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That's right. 5 00:00:37,464 --> 00:00:38,464 Hi, everybody. 6 00:00:38,547 --> 00:00:40,369 We start with breaking news in Madison tonight, 7 00:00:40,381 --> 00:00:43,172 where a body has been found in a waterfront home there. 8 00:00:43,255 --> 00:00:45,506 Police tonight are treating it as a homicide. 9 00:00:45,589 --> 00:00:47,214 News Channel 8 first on the scene 10 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:48,589 at Middle Beach Road. 11 00:00:48,673 --> 00:00:50,073 News Channel 8's Sara Welch joins us 12 00:00:50,089 --> 00:00:52,506 live in Madison tonight, and what do you know, Sara? 13 00:00:52,589 --> 00:00:54,714 Madison police and state police have been 14 00:00:54,798 --> 00:00:56,506 out at this home at 44 Middle Beach Road 15 00:00:56,589 --> 00:00:59,005 since about 11:30 this morning. 16 00:00:59,089 --> 00:01:00,089 Let's take a look. 17 00:01:00,172 --> 00:01:02,422 You can see the road is blocked off by police. 18 00:01:02,506 --> 00:01:04,923 They are treating this case as a homicide. 19 00:01:05,005 --> 00:01:07,047 It's hard to see 44 Middle Beach Road 20 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:08,547 from this vantage point. 21 00:01:08,631 --> 00:01:09,839 Here's what we do know: 22 00:01:09,923 --> 00:01:12,881 A woman in her late 40s was found injured in her yard. 23 00:01:12,964 --> 00:01:14,881 She was pronounced dead at the scene. 24 00:01:14,964 --> 00:01:16,756 Police are not releasing the victim's name, 25 00:01:16,839 --> 00:01:18,255 but News Channel 8 has learned 26 00:01:18,339 --> 00:01:19,923 that a woman named Barbara Hamburg 27 00:01:20,005 --> 00:01:21,923 rents the house. 28 00:01:22,005 --> 00:01:23,673 I said, "No, you're not telling me that. 29 00:01:23,756 --> 00:01:25,714 It's not real." 30 00:01:25,798 --> 00:01:27,214 And it was real. 31 00:01:27,297 --> 00:01:31,255 It was like being hit by a boulder. 32 00:01:31,339 --> 00:01:34,756 I had two voicemails from my father, 33 00:01:34,839 --> 00:01:37,297 two voicemails from Leu, and three from Chris. 34 00:01:37,381 --> 00:01:39,798 And I went, "Well, either we hit the lottery", 35 00:01:39,881 --> 00:01:42,214 or something awful has happened. 36 00:01:42,297 --> 00:01:44,506 What was your first reaction? 37 00:01:44,589 --> 00:01:46,547 Didn't sound right the whole way up here. 38 00:01:46,631 --> 00:01:47,661 You know, essentially saying 39 00:01:47,673 --> 00:01:49,923 that my sister had been murdered. 40 00:01:50,005 --> 00:01:51,589 Um... 41 00:01:57,297 --> 00:01:59,881 I remember my mom texted me. 42 00:01:59,964 --> 00:02:02,035 And I was just, like, standing in the middle of the terminal 43 00:02:02,047 --> 00:02:04,756 like, "What the fuck?" 44 00:02:04,839 --> 00:02:07,089 What happened when you got home? 45 00:02:07,172 --> 00:02:08,172 Oh, man. 46 00:02:08,214 --> 00:02:11,923 Like, the chaos begins. 47 00:02:12,005 --> 00:02:15,047 The medical examiner ruling the killing a homicide, 48 00:02:15,130 --> 00:02:18,339 "describing the cause of death as "blunt force trauma 49 00:02:18,422 --> 00:02:20,631 and sharp force injury." 50 00:02:20,714 --> 00:02:23,339 What kind of wounds did she have? 51 00:02:23,422 --> 00:02:26,130 She was stabbed. 52 00:02:26,214 --> 00:02:28,464 She had a terrible head wound. 53 00:02:28,547 --> 00:02:32,673 Her carotid artery was stabbed. 54 00:02:32,756 --> 00:02:36,089 All over. 55 00:02:36,172 --> 00:02:39,798 They say it was 18 times. 56 00:02:39,881 --> 00:02:41,673 Right now, the coroner, M.E. are on scene. 57 00:02:41,756 --> 00:02:42,756 State police, 58 00:02:42,839 --> 00:02:44,547 along with Madison police, are on scene, 59 00:02:44,631 --> 00:02:47,089 trying to figure out who killed this woman. 60 00:02:47,172 --> 00:02:49,297 Police won't say if the killing was random, 61 00:02:49,381 --> 00:02:51,214 or if this mother was targeted. 62 00:02:51,297 --> 00:02:53,464 This is a crime of passion. 63 00:02:53,547 --> 00:02:56,464 People don't get murdered, and that brutally, 64 00:02:56,547 --> 00:02:59,506 without it being a very personal thing. 65 00:02:59,589 --> 00:03:00,744 Stunned and shocked, friends 66 00:03:00,756 --> 00:03:03,464 of 48-year-old Barbara Hamburg flooding Facebook, 67 00:03:03,547 --> 00:03:04,547 offering sympathy 68 00:03:04,589 --> 00:03:06,506 for her teenage son and daughter. 69 00:03:06,589 --> 00:03:10,506 Meantime, detectives combing the yard where she was found. 70 00:03:10,589 --> 00:03:15,172 I know it's... it's tough to think about this. 71 00:03:15,255 --> 00:03:18,422 - I just have a couple questions. - Yeah, it's fine. 72 00:03:18,506 --> 00:03:20,464 What was your best recollection 73 00:03:20,547 --> 00:03:21,881 of coming home? 74 00:03:21,964 --> 00:03:23,881 Something wasn't right. 75 00:03:23,964 --> 00:03:25,089 We were calling her. 76 00:03:25,172 --> 00:03:27,839 We couldn't get in touch with her. 77 00:03:27,923 --> 00:03:29,381 Ali and I pulled up, 78 00:03:29,464 --> 00:03:31,714 and Ali's like, "Why is Mom's car in the driveway?" 79 00:03:31,798 --> 00:03:33,547 And I said, "I don't know. 80 00:03:33,631 --> 00:03:35,589 I don't know, Al." 81 00:03:35,673 --> 00:03:39,422 Her keys were in the door, but the door was locked. 82 00:03:39,506 --> 00:03:42,089 And we go inside and we're screaming her name. 83 00:03:42,172 --> 00:03:43,422 We're calling out for her. 84 00:03:43,506 --> 00:03:46,714 We don't know where she is. 85 00:03:46,798 --> 00:03:50,047 She's nowhere to be found. 86 00:03:50,130 --> 00:03:52,547 Nothing is making sense. 87 00:03:52,631 --> 00:03:56,881 I go around the house, and I hear Conway screaming. 88 00:03:56,964 --> 00:03:59,339 I see these cushions up against the bushes 89 00:03:59,422 --> 00:04:01,589 and I'm like, "What the hell?" 90 00:04:01,673 --> 00:04:04,214 So I pull one cushion off and I'm like, "Oh. 91 00:04:04,297 --> 00:04:06,381 It's an animal." 92 00:04:06,464 --> 00:04:07,827 Why did you think it was an animal? 93 00:04:07,839 --> 00:04:09,881 All I could see was, like, 94 00:04:09,964 --> 00:04:12,923 mushed-up hair and blood. 95 00:04:13,005 --> 00:04:14,756 So you pull back the second cushion, 96 00:04:14,839 --> 00:04:15,756 what happens? 97 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:17,714 It's your mom. 98 00:04:24,673 --> 00:04:26,881 Hi, Madison. 99 00:04:26,964 --> 00:04:29,923 Madison! 100 00:04:30,005 --> 00:04:32,547 Hi. 101 00:04:32,631 --> 00:04:35,923 Barbara Hamburg's son posted a message on Facebook 102 00:04:36,005 --> 00:04:39,005 saying now is the time to stay strong. 103 00:04:39,089 --> 00:04:42,005 That's what his mother would've wanted. 104 00:04:50,464 --> 00:04:52,839 She said, "Mom's dead." 105 00:04:55,673 --> 00:04:58,047 I just wanted to wake up. 106 00:04:58,130 --> 00:05:02,589 'Cause I knew that that couldn't be real. 107 00:05:02,673 --> 00:05:06,798 Everything that was important in my life then 108 00:05:06,881 --> 00:05:10,130 within, like, a split second... 109 00:05:11,881 --> 00:05:13,381 Meant nothing. 110 00:05:51,255 --> 00:05:54,339 We're about to take a brief tour of Connecticut. 111 00:05:54,422 --> 00:05:57,047 In this astronaut's-eye view from outer space, 112 00:05:57,130 --> 00:05:59,130 it appears small geographically, 113 00:05:59,214 --> 00:06:01,172 but it looms increasingly large 114 00:06:01,255 --> 00:06:03,172 the closer one approaches. 115 00:06:03,255 --> 00:06:05,005 Connecticut is strategically located 116 00:06:05,089 --> 00:06:06,839 between New York and Boston 117 00:06:06,923 --> 00:06:09,381 in the heart of the rich northeastern market. 118 00:06:09,464 --> 00:06:11,839 It's a state of dynamic economic growth, 119 00:06:11,923 --> 00:06:15,631 rich in variety and full of opportunity. 120 00:06:26,506 --> 00:06:27,631 Are you busy right now? 121 00:06:29,464 --> 00:06:31,673 So I told you I've been working 122 00:06:31,756 --> 00:06:33,297 on, like, a couple projects, right? 123 00:06:34,506 --> 00:06:38,130 I'm doing a documentary on my mom. 124 00:06:40,339 --> 00:06:41,547 Yeah. 125 00:06:41,631 --> 00:06:44,089 And I was just calling to ask you 126 00:06:44,172 --> 00:06:45,714 if you would be willing... 127 00:06:45,798 --> 00:06:47,714 I'm going to Connecticut this weekend. 128 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:49,547 I was asking you 129 00:06:49,631 --> 00:06:52,047 if you would be willing to... 130 00:06:52,130 --> 00:06:54,506 to be interviewed about it. 131 00:06:59,089 --> 00:07:02,130 Just about, like, her life. 132 00:07:17,381 --> 00:07:18,839 What do you mean? 133 00:07:45,547 --> 00:07:47,130 There they are. 134 00:07:47,214 --> 00:07:48,255 - Hi, Grammy. - Morning. 135 00:07:48,339 --> 00:07:50,464 Good morning. 136 00:07:50,547 --> 00:07:51,464 Hi, sweetness. 137 00:07:51,547 --> 00:07:54,506 How's my dear grandson? 138 00:07:54,589 --> 00:07:55,506 How are you? 139 00:07:55,589 --> 00:07:57,506 Aww, it's good to see you, honeybunch. 140 00:08:00,381 --> 00:08:01,756 Is it good? 141 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:03,506 Check, one, two, one, two. 142 00:08:03,589 --> 00:08:06,923 This is a picture of the four Barbaras. 143 00:08:07,005 --> 00:08:08,923 That's my mother, known as Gram, 144 00:08:09,005 --> 00:08:10,923 on the right, Barbara, 145 00:08:11,005 --> 00:08:14,923 and in the middle, that's me, Barbara, 146 00:08:15,005 --> 00:08:19,589 and this is Madison's mom on the left, Barbara, 147 00:08:19,673 --> 00:08:23,673 and that's Ali, who is really Barbara Alexandra. 148 00:08:23,756 --> 00:08:25,964 So we have four Barbaras. 149 00:08:26,047 --> 00:08:29,130 And two of them are no longer with us. 150 00:08:29,214 --> 00:08:32,172 It's hard to believe that part. 151 00:08:32,255 --> 00:08:36,339 And we have... 152 00:08:36,422 --> 00:08:39,798 Madison, Ali, and Brian. 153 00:08:39,881 --> 00:08:43,214 Brian is Maddie's half brother, 154 00:08:43,297 --> 00:08:44,381 who is a doctor. 155 00:08:44,464 --> 00:08:46,005 Yeah. 156 00:08:46,089 --> 00:08:48,339 This is great. I love your glasses. 157 00:08:48,422 --> 00:08:49,881 Oh, my gosh. 158 00:08:49,964 --> 00:08:53,923 Barbie looked the most like me of all my daughters. 159 00:08:54,005 --> 00:08:56,130 I would go down to Grandparents' Day 160 00:08:56,214 --> 00:08:58,339 and people would come along and they'd say, 161 00:08:58,422 --> 00:08:59,506 "I know who you are." 162 00:09:01,089 --> 00:09:02,339 "You're Madison's grandma, 163 00:09:02,422 --> 00:09:03,798 "'cause you look just like Barbie. 164 00:09:03,881 --> 00:09:06,631 Barbie looks just like you." 165 00:09:06,714 --> 00:09:08,381 Can you describe 166 00:09:08,464 --> 00:09:10,047 the last time you talked to her? 167 00:09:10,130 --> 00:09:12,589 Your mom? 168 00:09:13,881 --> 00:09:17,047 Well, I can describe the last time I saw her better. 169 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:21,089 She was here. She was visiting. 170 00:09:21,172 --> 00:09:22,547 And she and I sat in that bed 171 00:09:22,631 --> 00:09:26,506 and talked a long time that night before she left. 172 00:09:26,589 --> 00:09:29,381 About life and, you know... 173 00:09:31,089 --> 00:09:33,464 I remember distinctly 174 00:09:33,547 --> 00:09:36,005 her walking away... 175 00:09:36,089 --> 00:09:38,506 - Everybody smile. - Yeah. 176 00:09:38,589 --> 00:09:39,589 Aww. 177 00:09:39,631 --> 00:09:42,130 And I know I talked to Mom on the phone 178 00:09:42,214 --> 00:09:45,756 after that many times, but that image sticks with me. 179 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:48,381 That's an important image. 180 00:09:48,464 --> 00:09:52,714 And that was not too long before she was murdered. 181 00:09:52,798 --> 00:09:55,798 We had a great relationship, your mom and I. 182 00:09:55,881 --> 00:09:57,589 We truly, truly did. 183 00:09:57,673 --> 00:10:01,923 So I miss her terribly. 184 00:10:02,005 --> 00:10:04,130 And hopefully this will... 185 00:10:04,214 --> 00:10:05,464 you'll get a good grade. 186 00:10:06,673 --> 00:10:08,202 That's not what this is about, Grammy. 187 00:10:08,214 --> 00:10:10,422 - Oh, it's not? - No, this is way more. 188 00:10:10,506 --> 00:10:13,089 - This is... - Oh, I know. 189 00:10:13,172 --> 00:10:14,422 - Kay. - I love you. 190 00:10:14,506 --> 00:10:18,464 I love you too. 191 00:10:18,547 --> 00:10:20,339 The hardest thing for me was to watch you 192 00:10:20,422 --> 00:10:22,172 have to go through all that, 193 00:10:22,255 --> 00:10:23,547 'cause you were 18 194 00:10:23,631 --> 00:10:25,756 and you had to act like you were... 195 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:28,464 21, 22, 23. 196 00:10:28,547 --> 00:10:30,589 That had to be very, very hard, Maddie. 197 00:10:30,673 --> 00:10:32,153 The rest of us couldn't do it for you. 198 00:10:32,214 --> 00:10:35,923 You had to do it. 199 00:10:36,005 --> 00:10:38,964 The vigil started about a half hour ago 200 00:10:39,047 --> 00:10:41,130 with family and friends gathering around. 201 00:10:41,214 --> 00:10:42,964 They lit candles in her memory. 202 00:10:43,047 --> 00:10:45,297 They wanna keep it fresh in the public's memory 203 00:10:45,381 --> 00:10:47,547 in case somebody comes forward. 204 00:10:47,631 --> 00:10:49,702 It's just always that unanswered question out there 205 00:10:49,714 --> 00:10:51,964 about your mom's murder. 206 00:10:52,047 --> 00:10:56,339 And it affects the entire family. 207 00:10:56,422 --> 00:10:57,506 We believe if we continue 208 00:10:57,589 --> 00:10:59,172 to have these vigils every year, 209 00:10:59,255 --> 00:11:02,631 that somewhere, someone, they'll be able to come forward 210 00:11:02,714 --> 00:11:05,130 and help the police solve the case. 211 00:11:05,214 --> 00:11:07,339 Conway interview, take one. 212 00:11:07,422 --> 00:11:11,506 Marker. 213 00:11:11,589 --> 00:11:14,172 Your mom was amazing. 214 00:11:14,255 --> 00:11:16,172 She was so smart. 215 00:11:16,255 --> 00:11:19,631 She had all the boys wanting her. 216 00:11:19,714 --> 00:11:22,214 She was beautiful. 217 00:11:22,297 --> 00:11:24,339 And so many friends. 218 00:11:24,422 --> 00:11:26,964 So many friends. 219 00:11:27,047 --> 00:11:29,923 People just wanted to be with Barb. 220 00:11:30,005 --> 00:11:32,339 She was a treasure. 221 00:11:32,422 --> 00:11:33,964 She was my baby sister. 222 00:11:43,130 --> 00:11:46,673 She was great fun to be around. 223 00:11:46,756 --> 00:11:49,756 I can see her coming up the stairs. 224 00:11:55,005 --> 00:11:58,047 Your mother had secrets, so I don't know. 225 00:11:58,130 --> 00:12:00,589 She didn't share all of her secrets with me. 226 00:12:00,673 --> 00:12:02,381 But I always knew she had secrets 227 00:12:02,464 --> 00:12:04,923 that were... That were dark secrets, 228 00:12:05,005 --> 00:12:09,255 because she had this way of breathing and smiling 229 00:12:09,339 --> 00:12:12,005 that, to me, it was a coverup 230 00:12:12,089 --> 00:12:14,839 for something that was very heavy in her heart. 231 00:12:14,923 --> 00:12:16,381 So I don't know what that was, 232 00:12:16,464 --> 00:12:17,964 but I just knew there was something. 233 00:12:18,047 --> 00:12:21,005 Always knew there was something. 234 00:12:25,297 --> 00:12:26,714 This is your world 235 00:12:26,798 --> 00:12:29,047 and the important people in it. 236 00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:32,381 The people who will love you, help you, and hinder you 237 00:12:32,464 --> 00:12:35,589 in your job of growing to be a man. 238 00:12:35,673 --> 00:12:39,422 Let's start with your father and mother. 239 00:12:39,506 --> 00:12:42,089 In a few days, they take you home, 240 00:12:42,172 --> 00:12:44,089 and some of the most important days 241 00:12:44,172 --> 00:12:45,631 of your life begin. 242 00:12:51,506 --> 00:12:53,339 Ran right to the dog. 243 00:13:06,714 --> 00:13:09,631 Well, you grew up with a silver spoon, you know. 244 00:13:09,714 --> 00:13:14,089 You had everything you needed, wanted. 245 00:13:14,172 --> 00:13:16,464 You lived in a beautiful house. 246 00:13:16,547 --> 00:13:19,589 Then you had the house in Connecticut 247 00:13:19,673 --> 00:13:21,464 that was a summer house for a while. 248 00:13:21,547 --> 00:13:23,631 - Oh. Uh-oh. 249 00:13:23,714 --> 00:13:25,798 - Whoa. - Little sailor. 250 00:13:25,881 --> 00:13:27,130 Say "Thank you, Mommy." 251 00:13:27,214 --> 00:13:30,631 They tried to educate you, send you to the best schools. 252 00:13:32,005 --> 00:13:34,089 There were nannies and chauffeurs. 253 00:13:34,172 --> 00:13:36,923 - There's Daddy. Ooh, there you go! 254 00:13:37,005 --> 00:13:38,130 Daddy. 255 00:13:38,214 --> 00:13:40,005 Getting ready for school. 256 00:13:40,089 --> 00:13:41,673 That's a nice outfit. 257 00:13:41,756 --> 00:13:43,798 Say bye-bye to Daddy. 258 00:13:45,714 --> 00:13:49,130 Your father was a multi-multimillionaire. 259 00:13:49,214 --> 00:13:52,130 He was CEO of Southern Electric. 260 00:13:52,214 --> 00:13:55,923 The Southern Company. 261 00:13:56,005 --> 00:13:58,297 You know, your mom was wearing nicer clothes, 262 00:13:58,381 --> 00:14:00,172 and, you know, just... 263 00:14:00,255 --> 00:14:04,923 Things seemed simpler for her financially. 264 00:14:05,005 --> 00:14:08,047 He seemed like a really nice man. 265 00:14:09,589 --> 00:14:12,297 In the beginning, oh, God, the day I met your father, 266 00:14:12,381 --> 00:14:14,631 he... I laughed so hard I was crying. 267 00:14:14,714 --> 00:14:17,172 He was one of the most charismatic, 268 00:14:17,255 --> 00:14:19,506 funny, intelligent people, 269 00:14:19,589 --> 00:14:21,339 and to your mother, he was... 270 00:14:21,422 --> 00:14:23,172 He was the knight in shining armor. 271 00:14:23,255 --> 00:14:25,214 He was a prince. 272 00:14:28,422 --> 00:14:30,339 I think your mom thought 273 00:14:30,422 --> 00:14:33,506 and believed in her heart of hearts 274 00:14:33,589 --> 00:14:36,756 that she married the man of her dreams. 275 00:14:38,381 --> 00:14:41,881 She was head over heels in love 276 00:14:42,005 --> 00:14:44,047 and felt like 277 00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:48,089 she was kinda living the dream. 278 00:14:49,130 --> 00:14:52,881 Hawaii and traveling the world and... 279 00:14:52,964 --> 00:14:56,297 I think she really felt this was wonderful. 280 00:14:57,297 --> 00:14:59,881 Whee! 281 00:14:59,964 --> 00:15:04,381 Smile for the camera with your big tongue. 282 00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:06,255 - Nice Mommy. - Hi. 283 00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:08,255 Having babies, 284 00:15:08,339 --> 00:15:10,881 she just came alive. 285 00:15:10,964 --> 00:15:13,381 What a beautiful boy! 286 00:15:13,464 --> 00:15:16,297 What a beautiful boy! 287 00:15:17,964 --> 00:15:20,756 I think that she thought, "Wow, this is... 288 00:15:20,839 --> 00:15:23,130 "this is real. 289 00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:24,798 "This is valuable. 290 00:15:24,881 --> 00:15:26,589 This makes me important." 291 00:15:28,839 --> 00:15:30,119 I think she was a great mother. 292 00:15:30,172 --> 00:15:31,589 I really do. 293 00:15:31,673 --> 00:15:34,089 I mean, if she could put up with me, she was... 294 00:15:34,172 --> 00:15:36,547 Anyone that could put up with me was a good mom. 295 00:15:36,631 --> 00:15:38,798 Maddie, you were not a bad child. 296 00:15:38,881 --> 00:15:40,756 I don't know where you get that. 297 00:15:40,839 --> 00:15:42,422 Do you like it? 298 00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:44,547 Is it good? 299 00:15:46,005 --> 00:15:47,365 I always knew you'd be doing this 300 00:15:47,381 --> 00:15:49,255 because you were always the little director. 301 00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:51,172 It was hysterical. 302 00:15:51,255 --> 00:15:52,714 You were the man behind the camera. 303 00:15:52,798 --> 00:15:54,255 - That's it. - That weird? 304 00:15:54,339 --> 00:15:56,089 It's... look at my teeth. 305 00:15:56,172 --> 00:15:57,923 I'm glad to see you're doing it. 306 00:16:01,673 --> 00:16:03,506 They had you and Ali. 307 00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:09,964 So I think in the beginning, it was very good. 308 00:16:10,047 --> 00:16:12,506 But, you know, 309 00:16:12,589 --> 00:16:15,297 stuff happens, right? 310 00:16:15,381 --> 00:16:18,089 Things change. 311 00:16:18,172 --> 00:16:21,255 Is the documentary about Barbie being murdered, 312 00:16:21,339 --> 00:16:23,631 or is the documentary about who Barbie was? 313 00:16:23,714 --> 00:16:25,464 - Who she was. - Yeah? 314 00:16:25,547 --> 00:16:28,130 It's about... I mean, that's a part... 315 00:16:28,214 --> 00:16:31,005 It's about her life, and that is a part of her life, 316 00:16:31,089 --> 00:16:34,714 and then it's also kind of about the family too. 317 00:16:44,255 --> 00:16:47,339 There she is. 318 00:16:47,422 --> 00:16:50,172 Purple on white. 319 00:16:50,255 --> 00:16:51,452 I don't know what had turned, 320 00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:53,839 but something had turned. 321 00:16:53,923 --> 00:16:56,673 I remember looking at her one time 322 00:16:56,756 --> 00:16:59,005 and she looked so different. 323 00:16:59,089 --> 00:17:03,381 She seemed... hurt. 324 00:17:03,464 --> 00:17:06,339 Like she was pretending. 325 00:17:06,422 --> 00:17:09,506 And I could tell that their relationship was different. 326 00:17:09,589 --> 00:17:12,673 And then when we would visit, Jeff wasn't even there. 327 00:17:12,756 --> 00:17:14,881 It was just visiting Barbie. 328 00:17:14,964 --> 00:17:18,297 And I didn't ask her about it. I didn't talk about it. 329 00:17:18,381 --> 00:17:21,506 I'm sorry I didn't. 330 00:17:21,589 --> 00:17:24,214 I mean, she was living such a privileged life 331 00:17:24,297 --> 00:17:25,381 when she met your father, 332 00:17:25,464 --> 00:17:29,381 and you guys were living such a privileged life. 333 00:17:29,464 --> 00:17:32,089 - There's Daddy. What a wonderful man. 334 00:17:32,172 --> 00:17:34,506 And a hard worker. 335 00:17:34,589 --> 00:17:37,214 But your dad got in trouble 336 00:17:37,297 --> 00:17:39,673 when he was working at Southern Electric, 337 00:17:39,756 --> 00:17:43,547 and they fired him 338 00:17:43,631 --> 00:17:47,798 for making an illegal deal out of the country. 339 00:17:49,089 --> 00:17:50,881 But he took them to court, 340 00:17:50,964 --> 00:17:54,631 and he won $3.5 million, I believe, 341 00:17:54,714 --> 00:17:56,631 for defamation of character. 342 00:18:03,631 --> 00:18:07,881 I think after what happened at Southern, 343 00:18:07,964 --> 00:18:10,547 something changed him. 344 00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:14,255 Your mom always said that that was such a blow to him. 345 00:18:14,339 --> 00:18:16,756 He was always trying to prove himself 346 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,464 by doing other ventures. 347 00:18:18,547 --> 00:18:21,673 And then when he started to travel and not come home, 348 00:18:21,756 --> 00:18:23,464 that's when the problems began 349 00:18:23,547 --> 00:18:27,255 because your mother was left alone all the time. 350 00:18:27,339 --> 00:18:29,798 And she was feeling like a single mother. 351 00:18:29,881 --> 00:18:33,839 And she was feeling as though she had been deserted. 352 00:18:35,172 --> 00:18:38,172 Your dad pretty much abandoned her. 353 00:18:39,172 --> 00:18:41,589 So she filed for divorce. 354 00:18:41,673 --> 00:18:43,714 That was really a tough decision 355 00:18:43,798 --> 00:18:46,422 for her to make, you know? 356 00:18:46,506 --> 00:18:48,547 The anger that your father had 357 00:18:48,631 --> 00:18:51,422 over your mother ending the marriage came out 358 00:18:51,506 --> 00:18:54,255 in not supporting her physically; 359 00:18:54,339 --> 00:18:57,005 Not giving child support, not paying for the bills, 360 00:18:57,089 --> 00:19:00,339 not taking care of any of the financial parts 361 00:19:00,422 --> 00:19:03,464 that he was supposed to take care of. 362 00:19:03,547 --> 00:19:05,506 He just wanted to impoverish her. 363 00:19:05,589 --> 00:19:07,631 It seemed like a goal 364 00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:10,464 that he had set for himself. 365 00:19:10,547 --> 00:19:12,756 And it was very sad to see that all happen, 366 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,631 because there are so many more wonderful things to focus on 367 00:19:15,714 --> 00:19:18,464 than revenge and anger. 368 00:19:18,547 --> 00:19:21,130 - Bye-bye. I love you. - Bye-bye. 369 00:19:21,214 --> 00:19:23,089 - Bye-bye. - Bye-bye, Daddy. 370 00:19:24,881 --> 00:19:26,202 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 371 00:19:26,214 --> 00:19:27,297 Welcome for coming tonight. 372 00:19:27,381 --> 00:19:28,422 Madison Police Department, 373 00:19:28,506 --> 00:19:29,702 with the Connecticut State Police 374 00:19:29,714 --> 00:19:31,410 and the office of the chief state's attorney 375 00:19:31,422 --> 00:19:32,798 from New Haven County. 376 00:19:32,881 --> 00:19:34,201 We're continuing our investigation 377 00:19:34,255 --> 00:19:36,172 into the death of Barbara Hamburg 378 00:19:36,255 --> 00:19:39,631 from Middle Beach Road West in Madison. 379 00:19:39,714 --> 00:19:43,798 At this time, we're seeking to locate 380 00:19:43,881 --> 00:19:46,339 her former husband, Jeffrey Hamburg, 381 00:19:46,422 --> 00:19:48,589 date of birth 8/5/48. 382 00:19:48,673 --> 00:19:51,673 He's a white male, 6 feet tall with hazel eyes. 383 00:19:51,756 --> 00:19:53,744 Last known address is in West Hartford, Connecticut, 384 00:19:53,756 --> 00:19:55,130 Timberwood Road. 385 00:19:55,214 --> 00:19:56,410 There's a statewide manhunt on 386 00:19:56,422 --> 00:19:58,506 from Hartford to West Hartford, even over to Windsor. 387 00:19:58,589 --> 00:19:59,786 We started off in West Hartford. 388 00:19:59,798 --> 00:20:01,077 Take a look. This is what we found. 389 00:20:01,089 --> 00:20:04,673 State police at an affluent condo complex 390 00:20:04,756 --> 00:20:08,339 where the owner of record is Jeffrey Hamburg. 391 00:20:08,422 --> 00:20:09,964 There were also some detectives 392 00:20:10,047 --> 00:20:12,047 at an Alstrom engineering plant, 393 00:20:12,130 --> 00:20:14,673 where they say Hamburg worked. 394 00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:16,160 They could not find him there as well. 395 00:20:16,172 --> 00:20:17,410 Now, the neighbors we talked to say 396 00:20:17,422 --> 00:20:19,422 Hamburg lives in this condo complex. 397 00:20:19,506 --> 00:20:21,547 He's lived in this unit here for about a year, 398 00:20:21,631 --> 00:20:24,339 though in that year time, they've only seen him once. 399 00:20:24,422 --> 00:20:27,422 On his front doorstep, the newspapers sit unread, 400 00:20:27,506 --> 00:20:29,172 and the people in the area were surprised, 401 00:20:29,255 --> 00:20:31,381 especially when they saw the state police come up 402 00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:33,673 and ring the front door looking for him. 403 00:20:35,589 --> 00:20:38,214 Do you have any opinion on who you... 404 00:20:38,297 --> 00:20:41,589 Who you think could've done this? 405 00:20:41,673 --> 00:20:43,923 Well... 406 00:20:44,005 --> 00:20:46,881 It seems to me that your father was in the position 407 00:20:46,964 --> 00:20:51,381 to lose the most if she lived, 408 00:20:51,464 --> 00:20:54,923 and that was the day he was supposed to go to jail. 409 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:57,464 Barbara Hamburg was to be in court this morning 410 00:20:57,547 --> 00:20:59,881 with her ex-husband Jeffrey Hamburg, 411 00:20:59,964 --> 00:21:02,589 but she never showed up for that court hearing. 412 00:21:02,673 --> 00:21:04,756 The couple divorced in 2005, 413 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:07,214 followed by years of legal wrangling, 414 00:21:07,297 --> 00:21:10,130 and he owed back child support. 415 00:21:10,214 --> 00:21:13,255 I mean, he had been withholding money. 416 00:21:13,339 --> 00:21:15,756 From what Barb told me, 417 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,255 she was going to throw him in jail. 418 00:21:18,339 --> 00:21:21,047 Richard Callahan, attorney for Barbara Hamburg's estate, 419 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:23,881 says Jeff Hamburg has cried broke for too long 420 00:21:23,964 --> 00:21:26,255 while living a lavish lifestyle. 421 00:21:26,339 --> 00:21:28,881 - All right. Take one. 422 00:21:28,964 --> 00:21:30,172 Marker. 423 00:21:30,255 --> 00:21:33,923 I'll tell you what I told the state police that day. 424 00:21:34,005 --> 00:21:36,130 Your father had been ordered 425 00:21:36,214 --> 00:21:39,005 and had promised to make certain payments. 426 00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,631 Either your dad showed up with the money, 427 00:21:41,714 --> 00:21:44,130 or I'd be asking the court 428 00:21:44,214 --> 00:21:47,923 to find him in contempt of the court's orders 429 00:21:48,005 --> 00:21:50,881 and incarcerate him until he paid. 430 00:21:50,964 --> 00:21:52,798 How much did he owe in total? 431 00:21:52,881 --> 00:21:55,130 $153,000 to your mother 432 00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:58,464 and $324,000 433 00:21:58,547 --> 00:22:00,422 to you and your sister. 434 00:22:00,506 --> 00:22:02,923 There was no question he did not have the money 435 00:22:03,005 --> 00:22:04,464 on March 3rd. 436 00:22:04,547 --> 00:22:06,798 Police say Jeff Hamburg was stealing money 437 00:22:06,881 --> 00:22:08,506 from his daughter's college fund 438 00:22:08,589 --> 00:22:12,089 about four years after he and his wife Barbara divorced. 439 00:22:12,172 --> 00:22:14,130 What time did court start that day? 440 00:22:14,214 --> 00:22:15,673 9:30. 441 00:22:15,756 --> 00:22:19,714 Normally, your mom's there at 9:00, 9:15. 442 00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:21,547 What was my dad's demeanor like? 443 00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,172 I don't know whether I could say 444 00:22:23,255 --> 00:22:25,673 that there was a change in his demeanor, 445 00:22:25,756 --> 00:22:28,631 but there was no complaint to me 446 00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:32,005 "from him or his lawyer saying, "Where's your client? 447 00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,506 Why isn't she here?" 448 00:22:33,589 --> 00:22:36,506 And that is what struck me. 449 00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:39,839 But I should back up, because... 450 00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:43,631 that suggests that I know 451 00:22:43,714 --> 00:22:46,673 that your father did something, 452 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,172 which I do not know. 453 00:22:48,255 --> 00:22:49,714 He just was the prime suspect 454 00:22:49,798 --> 00:22:52,798 because of the circumstances of that day. 455 00:22:56,089 --> 00:22:58,214 All parents have dreams. 456 00:22:58,297 --> 00:23:02,464 And they have definite ideas of what they want you to be. 457 00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:06,172 It isn't easy with a father who's never satisfied. 458 00:23:06,255 --> 00:23:08,005 Always wants you a little different, 459 00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:09,964 a little better. 460 00:23:10,047 --> 00:23:13,214 More like his dream. 461 00:23:13,297 --> 00:23:15,214 From the time that I met you, 462 00:23:15,297 --> 00:23:19,714 the relationship with your dad was not good. 463 00:23:19,798 --> 00:23:23,089 You know, it was very... 464 00:23:23,172 --> 00:23:25,923 Controlling. 465 00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:27,381 I think you had 466 00:23:27,464 --> 00:23:29,381 a really close relationship with your mom, 467 00:23:29,464 --> 00:23:33,881 probably closer than most teenage boys. 468 00:23:33,964 --> 00:23:36,214 You were more like peers in some ways, 469 00:23:36,297 --> 00:23:39,589 so you had a hard time when she... 470 00:23:39,673 --> 00:23:42,673 tried to lay down the law with you. 471 00:23:43,589 --> 00:23:45,714 You were using substances, 472 00:23:45,798 --> 00:23:49,714 and you were expelled from school. 473 00:23:49,798 --> 00:23:51,589 Your dad got angry 474 00:23:51,673 --> 00:23:55,089 about a letter I had written to the court 475 00:23:55,172 --> 00:23:58,422 that stated that you didn't wanna live... 476 00:23:58,506 --> 00:24:00,923 Go to his house 477 00:24:01,005 --> 00:24:02,964 or spend time with him. 478 00:24:03,047 --> 00:24:06,422 He thought that that was my opinion. 479 00:24:06,506 --> 00:24:09,422 So once we clarified, really, 480 00:24:09,506 --> 00:24:11,923 that I was stating something 481 00:24:12,005 --> 00:24:14,297 that you had stated, 482 00:24:14,381 --> 00:24:15,923 it was cleared up, 483 00:24:16,005 --> 00:24:19,339 but I got a subpoena 484 00:24:19,422 --> 00:24:22,047 from the law... from his lawyer. 485 00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:23,964 Yeah, I remember. 486 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:26,464 He, like, freaked out. 487 00:24:26,547 --> 00:24:28,923 He, like, started, like, attacking you, kinda. 488 00:24:29,005 --> 00:24:31,589 And then your mom called me the next day. 489 00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:36,005 To tell me that you were worried about me. 490 00:24:38,214 --> 00:24:42,255 That you didn't like the way your dad was treating me. 491 00:24:42,339 --> 00:24:45,005 Can you talk about after? 492 00:24:45,089 --> 00:24:48,172 Like, the months after the murder? 493 00:24:48,255 --> 00:24:50,130 You came to see me. 494 00:24:50,214 --> 00:24:53,839 You left school. 495 00:24:53,923 --> 00:24:56,297 And you came back to see me. 496 00:24:56,381 --> 00:24:59,255 Only for a few sessions though. 497 00:24:59,339 --> 00:25:02,964 Because, you know, you were not in a place 498 00:25:03,047 --> 00:25:04,923 that you could function in school. 499 00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:08,381 You were afraid of, like, your own safety. 500 00:25:08,464 --> 00:25:10,547 And then shortly after, 501 00:25:10,631 --> 00:25:13,255 all communication with your dad stopped. 502 00:25:16,005 --> 00:25:20,464 I knew that there were things in your dad's history. 503 00:25:20,547 --> 00:25:22,589 - Hi. Enough. 504 00:25:24,714 --> 00:25:26,839 Your mom told me that he had been involved 505 00:25:26,923 --> 00:25:29,673 in something overseas. 506 00:25:29,756 --> 00:25:31,547 He had, I don't know how many passports. 507 00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:33,506 Five? 508 00:25:33,589 --> 00:25:35,714 So it was a surprise. 509 00:25:35,798 --> 00:25:38,297 You know, to go from the CEO of Southern Electric 510 00:25:38,381 --> 00:25:43,381 to a life that few people could begin to understand. 511 00:25:43,464 --> 00:25:45,172 Electric energy into the future. 512 00:25:47,297 --> 00:25:49,381 Can you hear your daddy? 513 00:25:50,798 --> 00:25:52,714 Where's Daddy? 514 00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:56,255 Where's Daddy? 515 00:26:03,381 --> 00:26:05,047 A first look at Jeffrey Hamburg 516 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:07,422 as he walks to court this morning with his lawyer. 517 00:26:07,506 --> 00:26:09,255 This is his first public appearance, 518 00:26:09,339 --> 00:26:11,381 at an alimony and child support hearing, 519 00:26:11,464 --> 00:26:13,839 since his ex-wife Barbara Beach-Hamburg 520 00:26:13,923 --> 00:26:16,214 was found murdered earlier this month. 521 00:26:16,297 --> 00:26:17,756 The ex-husband has hired 522 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,255 well-known criminal defense lawyer Hugh Keefe... 523 00:26:20,339 --> 00:26:22,047 Lynch, Traube, Keefe, & Errante handles 524 00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:23,631 all kinds of criminal cases; 525 00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:26,673 Murder, sexual assault, kidnapping, 526 00:26:26,756 --> 00:26:30,005 embezzlement, tax evasion, conspiracies. 527 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:32,130 Your father immediately got an attorney 528 00:26:32,214 --> 00:26:34,798 so that he wouldn't have to go to the police. 529 00:26:34,881 --> 00:26:36,321 If I thought I had something to hide, 530 00:26:36,339 --> 00:26:39,589 I wouldn't be wanting to talk to the police. 531 00:26:39,673 --> 00:26:42,589 Police. 532 00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:45,047 This is a routine support hearing. 533 00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:46,810 There are more police officers than lawyers 534 00:26:46,881 --> 00:26:48,464 in that courtroom today. 535 00:26:48,547 --> 00:26:50,631 The police, when they have a situation like this, 536 00:26:50,714 --> 00:26:52,255 automatically look 537 00:26:52,339 --> 00:26:54,547 at the spouse or ex-spouse. 538 00:26:54,631 --> 00:26:56,255 The attorney that your dad hired, 539 00:26:56,339 --> 00:26:59,255 people were afraid of him in the courtroom. 540 00:26:59,339 --> 00:27:00,589 He's pretty masterful. 541 00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:02,714 Keefe says Hamburg gave police 542 00:27:02,798 --> 00:27:05,714 a sample of his DNA and hair last week. 543 00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:07,756 I assume everything came back negative, 544 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:09,297 or he would've been arrested. 545 00:27:09,381 --> 00:27:11,422 Also at today's post-divorce hearing, 546 00:27:11,506 --> 00:27:13,798 Barbara's sister, Conway Beach. 547 00:27:13,881 --> 00:27:15,464 Have you spoken to Jeffrey at all? 548 00:27:15,547 --> 00:27:18,964 No, I have not, and that's all I have. 549 00:27:19,047 --> 00:27:21,130 Why do you think the police haven't opened 550 00:27:21,214 --> 00:27:23,464 a case against my father about the murder? 551 00:27:23,547 --> 00:27:25,589 I think the police were... 552 00:27:25,673 --> 00:27:27,202 Dropped the ball on your mother's murder, 553 00:27:27,214 --> 00:27:28,798 if you want the truth. 554 00:27:31,464 --> 00:27:34,047 I mean, it's very difficult to think of a small town 555 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:38,506 like Madison not being able to solve 556 00:27:38,589 --> 00:27:40,964 this egregious crime. 557 00:27:41,047 --> 00:27:42,172 It sounds like there was 558 00:27:42,255 --> 00:27:44,631 a sort of screw-up or something with the DNA. 559 00:27:44,714 --> 00:27:46,214 I'm not really sure. 560 00:27:47,589 --> 00:27:50,589 We were asked as a family to wait to run the DNA 561 00:27:50,673 --> 00:27:53,464 because apparently there was a new DNA lab being built, 562 00:27:53,547 --> 00:27:56,172 and it was gonna be the best. 563 00:27:56,255 --> 00:27:58,214 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 564 00:27:58,297 --> 00:28:00,214 It is a pleasure to be here in Meriden 565 00:28:00,297 --> 00:28:02,339 to celebrate the groundbreaking 566 00:28:02,422 --> 00:28:05,130 for the state forensic science laboratory. 567 00:28:05,214 --> 00:28:07,381 Connecticut is a known leader 568 00:28:07,464 --> 00:28:09,381 in the field of forensic science, 569 00:28:09,464 --> 00:28:13,339 and this project will reinforce this distinction. 570 00:28:13,422 --> 00:28:14,464 So we waited 571 00:28:14,547 --> 00:28:16,881 for this new DNA lab to be built. 572 00:28:16,964 --> 00:28:20,339 We believe we are the premiere laboratory 573 00:28:20,422 --> 00:28:22,547 in the United States and in the world. 574 00:28:22,631 --> 00:28:27,005 They ran the DNA and... 575 00:28:27,089 --> 00:28:30,798 the DNA kit was faulty. 576 00:28:31,631 --> 00:28:34,506 And the difference between verdicts of guilty 577 00:28:34,589 --> 00:28:38,339 and verdicts of not guilty depends to a great extent 578 00:28:38,422 --> 00:28:42,005 upon the integrity of a laboratory such as ours. 579 00:28:42,089 --> 00:28:43,881 Now, the state crime lab is under 580 00:28:43,964 --> 00:28:45,714 some extra pressure right now 581 00:28:45,798 --> 00:28:49,005 because a recent audit of its DNA processes 582 00:28:49,089 --> 00:28:50,756 came up with some problems, 583 00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:55,089 and its accreditation also has expired. 584 00:28:55,172 --> 00:28:56,714 To be quite honest with you, Madison, 585 00:28:56,798 --> 00:28:59,839 I don't even know if there is any DNA left. 586 00:28:59,923 --> 00:29:02,464 And it scares the shit out of me. 587 00:29:03,464 --> 00:29:05,714 After the medical examiner finished, 588 00:29:05,798 --> 00:29:07,172 she was cremated. 589 00:29:07,255 --> 00:29:10,756 I mean, that's a family tradition. 590 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,214 Knowing what I know now, 591 00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:14,089 one should wait a little longer 592 00:29:14,172 --> 00:29:17,547 until all evidence has been collected properly 593 00:29:17,631 --> 00:29:19,047 before you cremate them, 594 00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:23,130 because DNA is so important now. 595 00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:33,047 Yeah. 596 00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:35,339 Somebody's missing something. 597 00:29:38,172 --> 00:29:41,464 Cases can be solved without DNA. 598 00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:42,923 There's been some scuttlebutt 599 00:29:43,005 --> 00:29:44,756 about the Madison Police Department being 600 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:46,422 less than ethical 601 00:29:46,506 --> 00:29:50,172 that I think needs to be investigated. 602 00:29:51,464 --> 00:29:52,702 As you know, the state's attorney 603 00:29:52,714 --> 00:29:54,714 now investigating the ongoings here 604 00:29:54,798 --> 00:29:56,214 at the Madison Police Department. 605 00:29:56,297 --> 00:29:57,417 Instead of making arrests, 606 00:29:57,464 --> 00:30:00,297 two Madison police officers are placed under arrest. 607 00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:02,631 Three police officers have been fired. 608 00:30:02,714 --> 00:30:05,214 Officers were allegedly meeting with prostitutes, 609 00:30:05,297 --> 00:30:08,130 frequenting strip clubs and massage parlors, 610 00:30:08,214 --> 00:30:09,964 and establishing a motorcycle gang. 611 00:30:10,047 --> 00:30:11,798 Conversation at the coffee shop 612 00:30:11,881 --> 00:30:13,714 is often about bad cops. 613 00:30:13,798 --> 00:30:16,631 People here are tired of the little bit of corruption 614 00:30:16,714 --> 00:30:18,964 that keeps cropping up in the police department. 615 00:30:19,047 --> 00:30:21,464 Madison Police Officer is stripped of his badge. 616 00:30:21,547 --> 00:30:24,172 Suspended and arrested for abusing police data... 617 00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:26,506 Charged with stealing seafood from a restaurant... 618 00:30:26,589 --> 00:30:30,631 Now accused of stealing gasoline from the town pump. 619 00:30:30,714 --> 00:30:32,964 It's a concern 620 00:30:33,047 --> 00:30:36,130 when the people that you trust to... 621 00:30:36,214 --> 00:30:37,756 to take care of things 622 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,839 are less than honest themselves. 623 00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:42,339 I have no proof of that. 624 00:30:42,422 --> 00:30:45,172 Only a lot of... 625 00:30:45,255 --> 00:30:46,756 concern. 626 00:30:49,631 --> 00:30:51,964 This is the town you will grow up in. 627 00:30:52,047 --> 00:30:53,798 A nice, warm world. 628 00:30:53,881 --> 00:30:56,464 A happy, secure community. 629 00:30:56,547 --> 00:30:58,714 An atmosphere that prepares you 630 00:30:58,798 --> 00:31:01,172 to find your place in the world with confidence 631 00:31:01,255 --> 00:31:03,422 and the best use of your abilities. 632 00:31:14,756 --> 00:31:16,422 - Hey. It's Madison. 633 00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:20,339 I told you before I'm doing a documentary 634 00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:24,214 on my mother for a class. 635 00:31:24,297 --> 00:31:26,881 And I was just seeing 636 00:31:26,964 --> 00:31:28,714 if there was any way I could get 637 00:31:28,798 --> 00:31:30,547 an interview with someone 638 00:31:30,631 --> 00:31:34,255 just about... just to go over, like, what the crime scene... 639 00:31:34,339 --> 00:31:38,047 Or something that I can use for my documentary. 640 00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:39,130 Um... 641 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:45,005 Okay. 642 00:31:50,923 --> 00:31:52,130 Right. 643 00:32:09,047 --> 00:32:10,297 Okay. 644 00:32:18,506 --> 00:32:20,923 - Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. 645 00:32:21,964 --> 00:32:24,130 Okay. 646 00:32:24,214 --> 00:32:25,964 He doesn't know if we can do an interview, 647 00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:29,089 but, like, what if, um... 648 00:32:29,172 --> 00:32:32,798 I'm going in for questioning on Friday. 649 00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:36,130 What if I, like, brought in a recorder? 650 00:32:36,214 --> 00:32:38,089 Risky. 651 00:32:38,172 --> 00:32:40,464 Well, I could record it with my phone. 652 00:32:40,547 --> 00:32:43,255 Risky. 653 00:32:43,339 --> 00:32:45,005 It'd be worth it. 654 00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:46,089 Yeah, it would. 655 00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,756 See what kinda questions they're asking you. 656 00:32:57,005 --> 00:33:01,422 Madison, what brings us to the police station today? 657 00:33:01,506 --> 00:33:05,089 I am about to get interrogated. 658 00:33:06,923 --> 00:33:08,964 It's just one of the many things 659 00:33:09,047 --> 00:33:11,839 that I have to put up with 660 00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:14,756 since someone... 661 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,214 came and killed my mother. 662 00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:29,839 Hi. Can I help you? 663 00:33:29,923 --> 00:33:32,172 Hey, I'm here to see Detective Mulhern. 664 00:33:32,255 --> 00:33:34,047 - Your name, please? - Madison. 665 00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:35,839 - Madison? - Yeah. 666 00:33:35,923 --> 00:33:37,464 Is that your last name or first name? 667 00:33:37,547 --> 00:33:38,993 - It's my first name. - And your last name? 668 00:33:39,005 --> 00:33:40,214 Hamburg. 669 00:33:40,297 --> 00:33:41,857 Okay, I'll tell them that you're here. 670 00:33:41,923 --> 00:33:43,089 Okay. Thank you. 671 00:33:49,255 --> 00:33:51,881 I don't even know if I'm, like, prepared for this. 672 00:35:10,506 --> 00:35:11,506 Mm-hmm. 673 00:37:16,506 --> 00:37:17,506 Uh, good. 674 00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:18,881 I mean... 675 00:37:18,964 --> 00:37:21,339 they don't wanna give us anything, 676 00:37:21,422 --> 00:37:24,255 but they want the doc. 677 00:37:24,339 --> 00:37:26,714 They want, like, all of our files. 678 00:37:26,798 --> 00:37:29,214 What would it help them? 679 00:37:29,297 --> 00:37:32,756 They think that, like, people would tell us things 680 00:37:32,839 --> 00:37:35,089 in interviews that they wouldn't tell them. 681 00:37:44,005 --> 00:37:47,255 - Hey. How's it going? - Hey. What's going on? 682 00:37:47,339 --> 00:37:49,923 Nothing, I just gotta catch up with you, that's all. 683 00:37:50,005 --> 00:37:51,255 Yeah. 684 00:37:51,339 --> 00:37:52,756 I wanted to ask 685 00:37:52,839 --> 00:37:56,381 if you talked to your attorney again. 686 00:37:56,464 --> 00:37:58,214 Yeah, I can't. 687 00:37:58,297 --> 00:38:00,589 I can't. There's no way. 688 00:38:00,673 --> 00:38:01,673 Sorry about that. 689 00:38:01,714 --> 00:38:05,047 What's, like, the main reason you can't... 690 00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:06,452 Madison, I just can't discuss it. 691 00:38:06,464 --> 00:38:10,047 It's just... It's a unqualified no, so... 692 00:38:11,714 --> 00:38:14,798 Dad, can, like, I ask you some questions? 693 00:38:14,881 --> 00:38:16,130 No. No. 694 00:38:16,214 --> 00:38:17,923 No, let's just leave it at that. 695 00:38:18,005 --> 00:38:20,756 I just wanna know why... 696 00:38:20,839 --> 00:38:23,130 Why that I can't... 697 00:38:23,214 --> 00:38:25,297 Why you can't even just talk to me. 698 00:38:25,381 --> 00:38:26,839 I know you wanna know answers, 699 00:38:26,923 --> 00:38:29,923 and I know you wanna know about your mom 700 00:38:30,005 --> 00:38:32,297 and her life and all that stuff. 701 00:38:32,381 --> 00:38:34,422 I just... it's just not... 702 00:38:34,506 --> 00:38:37,172 Maybe in years ahead, we can have this conversation, 703 00:38:37,255 --> 00:38:38,422 but not now. 704 00:38:47,047 --> 00:38:50,255 I just don't think that's fair. 705 00:38:50,339 --> 00:38:53,047 - Yeah. A lot of things aren't fair. 706 00:38:54,047 --> 00:38:55,881 I'm sorry. 707 00:38:55,964 --> 00:38:57,798 I don't think that you're sorry. 708 00:38:57,881 --> 00:39:01,047 Okay, well, you can believe me or not believe me. 709 00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:02,297 It's your choice. 710 00:39:09,422 --> 00:39:11,589 Do you want this case to get solved? 711 00:39:11,673 --> 00:39:13,589 Madison, I'm not going to answer 712 00:39:13,673 --> 00:39:15,464 any more questions about it. 713 00:39:15,547 --> 00:39:16,702 At this point... At this point... 714 00:39:16,714 --> 00:39:18,631 As far as I'm concerned, I cannot answer any... 715 00:39:18,714 --> 00:39:20,673 Madison, I can't answer any more questions. 716 00:39:20,756 --> 00:39:23,756 At this point, I honestly, in my honest opinion, 717 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,798 don't know if you want this case to be solved. 718 00:39:28,047 --> 00:39:32,005 If... I don't know if you care more about covering yourself 719 00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:34,964 than this case being solved, which doesn't make any sense, 720 00:39:35,047 --> 00:39:37,964 'cause if this case is solved and if you're innocent... 721 00:39:38,047 --> 00:39:40,089 - I have nothing to add. I have nothing to add. 722 00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:42,339 I have no knowledge of your mother's life, 723 00:39:42,422 --> 00:39:44,547 uh, really. 724 00:39:44,631 --> 00:39:46,673 You were married to her for 13 years. 725 00:39:46,756 --> 00:39:49,118 - Well, yeah, but I have no... - And you were dealing with... 726 00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:51,130 I have no... I don't know anything. 727 00:39:51,214 --> 00:39:54,422 How do you expect me to trust you? 728 00:39:56,339 --> 00:39:58,839 Madison, that's a decision you have to make. 729 00:39:58,923 --> 00:40:00,047 - Is it? Is it? 730 00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:03,547 It's a decision based on your secrecy. 731 00:40:03,631 --> 00:40:05,160 Madison, it's a decision... It's a decision 732 00:40:05,172 --> 00:40:06,089 that you have to make. 733 00:40:06,172 --> 00:40:07,692 I would hope that you would understand, 734 00:40:07,714 --> 00:40:10,339 but if you don't, you don't. 735 00:40:10,422 --> 00:40:11,619 I mean, that's your decision. 736 00:40:11,631 --> 00:40:16,047 Maybe one day, you'll get the courage together to... 737 00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:18,881 to face this stuff and change something, 738 00:40:18,964 --> 00:40:21,589 but until then, that's... 739 00:40:21,673 --> 00:40:23,798 You're gonna stay in the same spot. 740 00:40:23,881 --> 00:40:27,381 Because that's... you are one of the main pieces 741 00:40:27,464 --> 00:40:29,381 that's stopping everything. 742 00:40:37,964 --> 00:40:39,547 I guess that I gotta... 743 00:40:39,631 --> 00:40:42,255 I have other things I gotta do today. 744 00:40:42,339 --> 00:40:43,839 Okay. 745 00:40:43,923 --> 00:40:45,881 - All right. - Yeah. Bye. 746 00:40:45,964 --> 00:40:47,089 Bye. 747 00:40:54,047 --> 00:40:55,673 I tried. I mean... 748 00:41:02,005 --> 00:41:04,756 He doesn't wanna... 749 00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:06,422 doesn't wanna help. 750 00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:09,756 Doesn't want anything to change. 751 00:41:28,506 --> 00:41:31,506 This is where I found my sister murdered. 752 00:41:33,923 --> 00:41:35,673 He's here, Barbie. 753 00:41:41,881 --> 00:41:44,005 I guess all I wanna say is I love you. 754 00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:45,339 Mm. 755 00:41:48,547 --> 00:41:50,631 And I'm gonna do whatever I can 756 00:41:50,714 --> 00:41:52,631 to find out what happened to you. 757 00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:13,839 My mom's been dead for six years. 758 00:42:13,923 --> 00:42:16,673 Nothing's happened with the case. 759 00:42:16,756 --> 00:42:18,089 I thought it would hold me back 760 00:42:18,172 --> 00:42:19,673 from, you know, my immediate goals. 761 00:42:19,756 --> 00:42:21,964 I was wrapped up with school. 762 00:42:22,047 --> 00:42:24,255 We were kinda waiting for... 763 00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:29,339 Like, some sort of... Someone to come forward. 764 00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:31,464 Some sort of momentum. 765 00:42:33,673 --> 00:42:35,547 And I feel like if I don't do it, 766 00:42:35,631 --> 00:42:37,839 that if I don't cause, 767 00:42:37,923 --> 00:42:42,214 like, a reason for people to notice, 768 00:42:42,297 --> 00:42:44,297 it's just gonna stay what it is. 769 00:42:48,089 --> 00:42:49,339 To go back? 770 00:42:51,464 --> 00:42:53,339 I don't think I can ever be prepared 771 00:42:53,422 --> 00:42:56,756 to fully go back to that place. 772 00:42:56,839 --> 00:43:00,631 But I feel like this is a second chance 773 00:43:00,714 --> 00:43:04,005 to actually face what was happening 774 00:43:04,089 --> 00:43:06,589 and not run away from it like I was. 775 00:43:19,506 --> 00:43:22,422 We have to figure out where I'm gonna walk. 776 00:43:22,506 --> 00:43:23,986 Where do you think he would walk to? 777 00:43:24,047 --> 00:43:25,756 - Back to the subway. - Back to the subway? 778 00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,214 So you should walk the other way. 779 00:43:27,297 --> 00:43:29,255 So he can't follow you anywhere. 780 00:43:29,339 --> 00:43:30,547 Yeah. 781 00:43:30,631 --> 00:43:32,756 When was the last time you guys saw each other? 782 00:43:32,839 --> 00:43:34,923 Like, I honestly can't remember. 783 00:43:35,005 --> 00:43:36,923 So we're here. 784 00:43:37,005 --> 00:43:38,452 The restaurant that they're meeting in 785 00:43:38,464 --> 00:43:40,464 is across the street over there, 786 00:43:40,547 --> 00:43:43,756 probably, I don't know, 787 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,297 30 yards away. 788 00:43:46,381 --> 00:43:49,714 Loop it, and then you could tape it somewhere if you want. 789 00:43:49,798 --> 00:43:50,798 Talk. 790 00:43:50,839 --> 00:43:53,172 Hello, hello, hello. 791 00:43:55,923 --> 00:43:58,964 I can't fucking... 792 00:43:59,047 --> 00:44:01,506 Okay, I'll give him this. 793 00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:02,964 Kay. 794 00:44:07,214 --> 00:44:08,631 Oh. 795 00:44:08,714 --> 00:44:10,297 Sorry. 796 00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:11,839 How are you feeling, Madison? 797 00:44:11,923 --> 00:44:13,923 Pretty... pretty weird. 798 00:44:20,464 --> 00:44:21,798 - There he is. There he is. 799 00:44:21,881 --> 00:44:23,255 Shh. 800 00:47:35,923 --> 00:47:38,923 Okay. 801 00:47:46,547 --> 00:47:48,172 That was really stressful for me, 802 00:47:48,255 --> 00:47:50,673 and I felt it leading up to it, 803 00:47:50,756 --> 00:47:52,964 and that entire time, my heart was racing. 804 00:47:57,422 --> 00:47:59,130 - Are we rolling? - Yep. 805 00:47:59,214 --> 00:48:00,839 Yes. 806 00:48:00,923 --> 00:48:04,214 I'd never had a beer with my dad. 807 00:48:04,297 --> 00:48:05,756 First time. 808 00:48:09,214 --> 00:48:10,506 I wanna show you something. 809 00:48:12,673 --> 00:48:14,005 This is my, like, 810 00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:17,547 memories thing. 811 00:48:17,631 --> 00:48:21,839 This is pretty much what I have left. 812 00:48:24,464 --> 00:48:26,422 Wait, what's that from? 813 00:48:26,506 --> 00:48:28,130 The crematorium. 814 00:48:36,297 --> 00:48:37,589 It's weird, 815 00:48:37,673 --> 00:48:41,255 like, thinking about someone so close to you 816 00:48:41,339 --> 00:48:43,798 as, like, remains. 817 00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:50,089 It's a piece of history, I guess. 818 00:48:50,172 --> 00:48:51,756 From my history. 819 00:49:01,673 --> 00:49:04,673 I got you. 820 00:49:06,381 --> 00:49:09,756 After the funeral, I had this dream. 821 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,923 I was at this dinner, 822 00:49:12,005 --> 00:49:14,422 and I'm looking at this woman, 823 00:49:14,506 --> 00:49:17,964 and I realize that's my mom. 824 00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:20,422 And her hair is long 825 00:49:20,506 --> 00:49:24,714 and I'm like, "Mom, you're beautiful." 826 00:49:24,798 --> 00:49:27,964 And she's just like, 827 00:49:28,047 --> 00:49:31,756 "Your hair keeps growing after you die." 828 00:49:34,714 --> 00:49:36,798 The only regret I think I could ever have... 829 00:49:38,506 --> 00:49:41,130 She came down to visit and I went on a date 830 00:49:41,214 --> 00:49:44,089 instead of seeing her. 831 00:49:44,172 --> 00:49:45,339 She came down to see me. 832 00:49:45,422 --> 00:49:47,964 She came down on Valentine's Day. 833 00:49:48,047 --> 00:49:49,130 This one's to Maddie. 834 00:49:49,214 --> 00:49:50,923 Aww. 835 00:49:51,005 --> 00:49:53,005 Happy first Valentine. 836 00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:54,464 Is that pretty? 837 00:49:54,547 --> 00:49:56,297 It's a heart. 838 00:49:56,381 --> 00:49:58,464 I talked to her the night before. 839 00:50:02,047 --> 00:50:05,297 And I told her I loved her and that I was sorry 840 00:50:05,381 --> 00:50:07,923 about Valentine's Day. 841 00:50:10,089 --> 00:50:14,673 How could... you know, how could I talk to her, 842 00:50:14,756 --> 00:50:17,756 and within hours... 843 00:50:20,923 --> 00:50:22,547 She's murdered? 844 00:50:30,881 --> 00:50:33,339 Growing up, 845 00:50:33,422 --> 00:50:36,047 your parents are your heroes. 846 00:50:36,130 --> 00:50:38,089 My mother was a superhero. 847 00:50:39,464 --> 00:50:42,631 When people get to adulthood, 848 00:50:42,714 --> 00:50:45,339 they get to meet their parents 849 00:50:45,422 --> 00:50:47,673 as human beings, 850 00:50:47,756 --> 00:50:50,255 and I didn't have that. 851 00:50:51,798 --> 00:50:53,589 I need to meet that person. 852 00:50:55,756 --> 00:50:57,881 And this is the only way to do that. 853 00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:08,339 So many baseball cards. 854 00:51:13,673 --> 00:51:14,547 Hey. 855 00:51:14,631 --> 00:51:15,756 How's it going? 856 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:16,881 Okay. 857 00:51:16,964 --> 00:51:19,339 I'd like to hear from you more often. 858 00:51:19,422 --> 00:51:21,214 Do you get worried about me or something? 859 00:51:21,297 --> 00:51:24,047 - Yeah, of course I do. You're my son. 860 00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:26,172 I'm worried about you. 861 00:51:26,255 --> 00:51:28,297 I'm even worried about your sister. 862 00:51:28,381 --> 00:51:30,381 I never stopped loving her. 863 00:51:30,464 --> 00:51:32,381 Still my daughter. 864 00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:35,547 The past six years have been so crazy 865 00:51:35,631 --> 00:51:37,923 that, like, I wish I could just 866 00:51:38,005 --> 00:51:39,297 do something about it. 867 00:51:39,381 --> 00:51:41,631 I just don't know what that is, you know? 868 00:51:41,714 --> 00:51:43,714 Well, you're old enough to realize 869 00:51:43,798 --> 00:51:45,964 that there really are two sides to the story. 870 00:51:46,047 --> 00:51:48,631 Mom's side of the family were... blame somebody, 871 00:51:48,714 --> 00:51:50,547 so they're probably trying to blame me. 872 00:51:50,631 --> 00:51:52,547 But that doesn't fit the facts. 873 00:51:52,631 --> 00:51:54,631 I wasn't there. 874 00:51:54,714 --> 00:51:56,594 You can't get an answer if you don't have people 875 00:51:56,673 --> 00:51:59,005 looking in the right places. 876 00:51:59,089 --> 00:52:00,923 They're not looking internally, 877 00:52:01,005 --> 00:52:04,255 to Jill and to Conway. 878 00:52:04,339 --> 00:52:05,952 I know your aunts have been very good to you, 879 00:52:05,964 --> 00:52:09,547 but they were both involved in the other possibility. 880 00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:11,422 Women's gifting circles. 881 00:52:11,506 --> 00:52:13,422 - Gifting tables... - Gifting circle... 882 00:52:13,506 --> 00:52:15,673 They're what prosecutors nationwide have called 883 00:52:15,756 --> 00:52:18,464 a pyramid scheme. 884 00:52:18,547 --> 00:52:20,381 Your aunt Jill, to me, gets a lot 885 00:52:20,464 --> 00:52:22,214 of the potential blame here, 886 00:52:22,297 --> 00:52:23,923 'cause she got your mother into it, 887 00:52:24,005 --> 00:52:25,673 and your mother was in it in a big way 888 00:52:25,756 --> 00:52:26,798 as a leader. 889 00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:29,130 Two women found guilty back in February 890 00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:30,130 of running the table, 891 00:52:30,214 --> 00:52:31,798 55-year-old Donna Bello 892 00:52:31,881 --> 00:52:34,506 and 64-year-old Jill Platt of Guilford. 893 00:52:34,589 --> 00:52:37,047 Now these women are charged with federal wire fraud 894 00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:39,464 and filing false tax returns. 895 00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:40,923 What's the motive? 896 00:52:41,005 --> 00:52:42,339 Money. 897 00:52:42,422 --> 00:52:47,297 Losses to victims totaled more than $1 million. 898 00:52:47,381 --> 00:52:49,255 Somebody was threatening your mom. 899 00:52:49,339 --> 00:52:50,661 And the way that police handled it, 900 00:52:50,673 --> 00:52:52,130 it was just awful. 901 00:52:52,214 --> 00:52:54,673 New evidence came up and they just ignored it. 902 00:52:54,756 --> 00:52:56,077 Anyway, I don't wanna talk about it, 903 00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:57,952 'cause she... it'll be disparaging about your mother, 904 00:52:57,964 --> 00:52:59,577 and I don't wanna talk ill about the dead. 905 00:52:59,589 --> 00:53:01,005 But all I know is that it's... 906 00:53:01,089 --> 00:53:02,089 It ruined my life 907 00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:05,798 and continuing to ruin my life. 908 00:53:06,923 --> 00:53:09,172 I wish there was something 909 00:53:09,255 --> 00:53:11,714 to do about it. 910 00:53:11,798 --> 00:53:14,547 At the end of the day, there's nothing you can do. 911 00:53:14,631 --> 00:53:16,005 We're not investigators. 912 00:53:18,798 --> 00:53:20,714 Why would someone wanna kill my mom? 913 00:53:20,798 --> 00:53:23,673 - I don't know. The body was covered. 914 00:53:23,756 --> 00:53:27,214 And usually, that shows remorse by the person who did this. 915 00:53:27,297 --> 00:53:29,506 You know, we don't want anybody to see this. 916 00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:33,381 I see that as something very personal. 917 00:53:33,464 --> 00:53:35,839 Could the murderer be someone that we... 918 00:53:35,923 --> 00:53:37,005 It could be any of us 919 00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:39,214 that you're talking to right now. 920 00:53:39,297 --> 00:53:42,547 Maybe whoever you speak to 921 00:53:42,631 --> 00:53:44,756 might get a conscience 922 00:53:44,839 --> 00:53:46,422 and maybe come out with it, 923 00:53:46,506 --> 00:53:48,464 'cause they've been sick of living with it. 924 00:53:48,547 --> 00:53:50,172 Who knows? 925 00:53:50,255 --> 00:53:52,130 Anything is possible. 926 00:53:53,714 --> 00:53:56,005 Somebody somewhere 927 00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:58,464 knows something. 928 00:54:05,464 --> 00:54:08,005 You got the ball? 929 00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:10,673 Yeah. 930 00:54:10,756 --> 00:54:11,673 - Here. - Ball? 931 00:54:11,756 --> 00:54:13,255 - Here. - Red ball? 932 00:54:13,339 --> 00:54:15,339 - Yep. Ali. 933 00:54:19,506 --> 00:54:21,130 Madison got on the ball. 934 00:54:23,005 --> 00:54:25,756 And? 935 00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:28,297 Nice throw, Maddie. 936 00:54:28,381 --> 00:54:31,589 Can you give the ball to Mom? You wanna play? 937 00:54:48,506 --> 00:54:50,089 Flowers? 938 00:54:50,172 --> 00:54:51,589 You gonna get the flowers? 939 00:54:51,673 --> 00:54:52,798 Okay. 940 00:54:52,881 --> 00:54:55,422 Get the flowers. 941 00:54:55,506 --> 00:54:56,923 Oh. 942 00:54:57,005 --> 00:54:58,714 Aww. 943 00:54:58,798 --> 00:55:00,798 Pretty flowers. 944 00:55:03,214 --> 00:55:04,631 Madison got on the ball. 945 00:55:06,714 --> 00:55:09,673 And? 946 00:55:09,756 --> 00:55:13,422 Nice throw, Maddie. 947 00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:40,993 I hope I'm not disturbing you 948 00:55:41,005 --> 00:55:42,035 with any of the questions. 949 00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:43,673 No. I mean, I don't wanna be 950 00:55:43,756 --> 00:55:45,589 the one to drop the bombs here, you know? 951 00:55:46,297 --> 00:55:47,923 I'm ready for bombs. 952 00:55:49,673 --> 00:55:52,005 The focus should be, was there something else 953 00:55:52,089 --> 00:55:53,089 going on? 954 00:55:53,214 --> 00:55:54,756 Is there something that we're missing? 955 00:55:55,089 --> 00:55:58,130 With the gifting tables, you joined with a 5,000 dollar gift. 956 00:55:58,798 --> 00:56:01,673 The gifting table was a pyramid scheme. 957 00:56:01,756 --> 00:56:03,047 It got out of control. 958 00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:06,673 Some people can get to a point where they can snap. 959 00:56:06,923 --> 00:56:08,631 You and my mother witnessed 960 00:56:08,714 --> 00:56:12,005 a man wearing a ski mask walk though our yard? 961 00:56:12,089 --> 00:56:14,422 It was the day before she was murdered. 962 00:56:15,214 --> 00:56:16,297 Oh my god. 72139

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