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Narrator:
Tonight on beyond oak island...
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Bobby:We found shipwrecks. Artifacts.
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The state of florida
went behind our back.
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There is something
fundamentally unfair about this.
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"you find something, we're gonna not let you have it."
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rick: And it happened
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with these other treasure hunts.
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Don kesterson: The japanese were losing world war ii
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and they have the golden budda
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and they had to get it buried.
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David m.: They found saxon coins
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-and viking jewelry.
-Gary: They stood
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to get three to five
million dollars.
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Really?
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All while we were growing up,
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my brother and I were fascinated
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with finding treasure.
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Rick: Pirate treasure,
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cursed treasure.
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Civil war gold.
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- -since then, our work on oak island
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has shown usthere's a world of mysteries...
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-Whoa.
-...Waiting to be explored.
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So, we like to reach out to other treasure hunters.
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X marks the spot, right there.
Brilliant.
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-Marty: We want to hear their stories...
-That's right.
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-...And share our insights.
-"ill-gotten gains."
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-rick: And who knows...
-Gary: I got it.
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...Maybe we can help them with their search.
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-Marty: Not only in america.
-Wow. That is gold.
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-Rick: But all over the world.
-Yeah!
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Marty: Beyond oak island.
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Matty: So, guys, we've filled this table, like,
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several times with
all of the incredible finds
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you've made here on oak island.
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So, as it stands right now,
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when you pull something
exciting out, what happens?
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Who gets it?
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If it's an artifact,
the government has dibs on it.
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-They don't have to take it.
-Rick: Right, but items
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that have significance
deemed by them,
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it's necessary
to give those items,
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turn those items
over to the province.
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Marty:
But if we find jewels
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in their non-natural state
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and metals
in their non-natural state,
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we're entitled to 90%
of the value of it.
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Rick:
But there might be
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a dispute between "artifact"
and "treasure."
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so, there runs the risk--
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from what I'm hearing from you--
is, okay,
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"you guys get to keep
treasure, fine.
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We want the historical stuff,"
basically.
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But they could say,
"hey, that templar gold cross,
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-that's a piece of history,
so give that to us."
-yes.
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- Yes, so it's a little bit
fuzzy on the edges. .
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You know,
it's a little disconcerting,
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'cause I can see how this can
get complicated really fast.
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You know, I think of that
phrase, when we were kids,
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finders keepers,
losers weepers.
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You know what I mean?
Like, you could find it,
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but not be able
to keep it. That's...
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I-I can give you
a real-world example, matty.
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You know, rick and I
have been fascinated
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with treasure hunting.
That's no secret.
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Since we were boys.
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And over the years,
I've invested
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in some other ventures,
and one in particular
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makes a really good story--
exactly on the point
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you're talking about--
and that is
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what happens when
you actually find something?
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Who is the one who keeps?
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what is it?
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Steve:
This could be something big.
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Whoa.
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Narrator: In 2013,
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while searching for metal objects in the oak island swamp,
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rick, marty and members of their team
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were excited to find what appeared to be
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an old spanish coin.
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Tony:
What the hell is that?
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Charles:
It's a spanish maravedí.
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Yes!
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Marty: Well, we got a lot riding on this little coin.
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Jason:
Let's take a look
under the microscope.
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Narrator: Early the next year,
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they brought the coin to be cleaned and examined
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at global marine exploration, a florida-based company.
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Clearly, this leads me
to believe that this thing
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did spend,
several hundred years
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-in the swamp.
-That's good.
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Narrator: It was during their visit to global marine
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that marty and rick were introduced to bobby pritchett,
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the company's owner, a man with vast experience
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locating artifacts and sunkentreasure off the florida coast.
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Bobby: I started diving in my 20s, and I liked it so much
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that it just became not an obsession,
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but, you know, just something
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that I wanted to do
for a living.
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I went and met and interviewed
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with as many different treasure hunters as I could,
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and they were fascinating people.
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And, it kind of hooked me right in.
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And from that point on,
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I just kept going out and looking for wrecks.
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And eventually, we got
contracts to do the work.
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Narrator: Bobby pritchett's first contract took him
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to the dominican republic in October of 2010.
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Bobby:We were immediately successful.
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We found many shipwrecks. Lots of artifacts.
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Several months later, we had another contract
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for the east coast of the dominican republic.
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And again, we were immediately successful
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finding several shipwrecks,
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and worked one specifically called pewter wreck.
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Narrator for bobby pritchett, the so-called pewter wreck
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came in the form of amid-16th century merchant ship,
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probably spanish, that yielded the single largest cache
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of 16th-century pewter tableware ever discovered.
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It was a sunken treasure worth millions of dollars.
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Bobby: Beautiful, beautiful 500-year-old pewter
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that we were able to recover and conserve
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a large amount of it. In fact,
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some of it's actually in the
queen's palace in England.
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So that's pretty cool.
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Narrator: Bobby's success in the dominican republic
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encouraged him to start his own treasure salvage company.
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The purpose of global marine
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was to go out and do the research,
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survey, locate shipwrecks, identify what's there
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and then recover what we found.
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Do conservation work on it
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and either turn it in to the museums
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or turn it in to the auctions.
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Narrator: Among the potential investors in bobby's first solo venture
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were oak island treasure hunters
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marty lagina and craig tester.
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Marty: We went and visited them.
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And they seemed very competent.
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They showed us
around the stuff they'd found.
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Craig: And they just happened to be looking
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for investors at the time,
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so, marty and I decided
to jump on board.
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Narrator: Besides the enormous costs,
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diving on wrecks in the ocean presents a number of other
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even more daunting challenges.
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Bobby: It's very dangerous.
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Especially if you're not
trained to use the equipment,
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being out on the open sea,
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a swell could come up and it could capsize the boat.
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And then you have to worry
about the sharks in the water.
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And barracuda.
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People can die.
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Narrator: But in spite of all of the various financial,
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legal and maritime obstacles..
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...Bobby pritchett was convinced
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that global marine could be a success.
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We went and visited
sir robert morris,
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who is the godfather of archeology and treasure hunting.
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And he showed us a lot of research that showed
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the mass amount of shipwrecks
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that should have been at cape canaveral.
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Because of the shoals
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that are offshore of cape canaveral,
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these ships that would be passing by,
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coming up from cuba and other places,
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coming up the new bahama channel
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and going back to europe, these shoals
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were so far offshore
they thought that
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they were in deeper water.
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They would just wreck.
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So, we started looking
at cape canaveral
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and asking the state of florida
for permits.
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Marty: Bobby, who does things right,
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needed money to do it right.
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He had the permits, but he needed money to outfit his ship,
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his boat,
with the proper equipment.
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And so, we made a deal.
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Craig and I advanced
quite a large sum of money
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and joined the search.
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Everyone knows about these spanish ships carrying
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all this looted treasure from the new world back to Spain.
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And the numbers are astounding.
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I mean,
what these things carried.
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In today's money, easily
a billion dollars per ship.
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Narrator:After scouring the ocean bottom
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over the next several years,
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bobby pritchett and his partners
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finally hit pay dirt.
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Craig: We were finding a lot of possible hits,
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some large ones that could be cannons, and end up finding
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five or six locations that were,
ships, so it was great news.
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Bobby: It's like, "man, I can't believe it. We just found it."
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I mean, it's quite amazing.
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Narrator: Archeologists confirmed
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that the team had found the untouched remnants
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of five shipwrecks.
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The only questions left now were how to retrieve it
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and how much was it all worth?
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Pritchett: We had four archeologists come in,
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and they looked at the data.
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They looked at their research.
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And they came up with the valuations
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based on the anchors that we found given the tonnage.
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The low one was at $300 million.
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The high one was wh...
At $1.2 billion.
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Narrator: Bobby pritchett had risked everything,
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and now it looked like he and his investors
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were about to cash in.
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Matty: So...
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You're not wearing
any gold bracelets or anything.
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Tell me this all works out
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and you made
a billion dollars with craig.
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Rick:
You know what, I'm sure
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that marty and craig
wish they could say that.
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But, we'd be lying.
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It-it has not
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- worked out like that.
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Just how bad did things get?
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Matty, it's-it's,
it's-it's not only bad,
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it's worse than-than one
could have imagined, honestly.
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There's a dark side
to all of this, isn't there?
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-There is.
-No question.
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Marty:
There's some major
disappointments even after
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all the disappointments
that get you there.
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And then you make the big find
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and here comes a rash
of more disappointment.
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Narrator: Shortly after applying for and receiving
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all the permits needed to locate and survey
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a massive sunken treasure
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off the coast of cape canaveral, florida,
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bobby pritchett and his investors
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ran into a number of problems,
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chief of which was that among the many items found
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was a marble obelisk and a 16th-century bronze cannon
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engraved with a french fleur-de-lis.
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Marty: You know, in my mind, the spanish colonized florida.
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What I didn't know is that
that's not true.
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St. Augustine was the earliesteuropean settlement in florida.
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But it wasn't founded by the spanish.
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It was founded by the french.
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And this obelisk that bobby found
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is this very symbology of what really happened,
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I mean, priceless in the sense of unraveling bits of history
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from the state of florida.
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Narrator:Unfortunately, the very objects
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that marty lagina thought would be proof
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of a significant historical find
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proved to be bobby pritchett's undoing.
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Although he was convinced
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that the ships he found were spanish
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and that the french items were most likely plunder
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that had been captured in battle,
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the state of florida saw things very differently.
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Pritchett: When you turn in the report of what you found
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and they see that there are
french cannon and a l...
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You know, um, fleur-de-lis,
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they immediately assumed
it was french.
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Narrator: According to florida state authorities,
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bobby pritchett had found not just a french ship
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but most likely the remains of a long-lost sailing vessel
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called la trinité,
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which was part of a fleet
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that had left France in 1565,
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carrying 1,000 soldiers and 100 colonists
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to an outpost in northern florida.
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Pritchett: Florida immediately assumed that it was la trinité
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and started
communicating with France
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to see how to handle
a sovereign ship.
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So we submitted reports asking for a recovery permit,
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and they just eventually stopped answering the phone.
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Narrator: Because the state of florida
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assumed the wreck to be la trinité,
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they began basing all future decisions
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on the sunken military craft act of 2004--
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a federal act that protects any vessel
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that was on a military mission in u.S. Waters.
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This, in turn, allowed France
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to claim sovereigntyover the ship and its contents.
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Pritchett: Once we found what they believed to be la trinité,
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the state of florida took it upon themself
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to assume
all the wrecks were french.
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And florida cannot give us
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the permit to salvage a foreign vessel.
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But there's no actual proof
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that any one of those ships
is french,
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much less
what they say is la trinité.
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Narrator: Unfortunately,
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without concrete proof of his theory,
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bobby-- like the treasure ship itself-- was sunk.
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In the end, France was granted the rights
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to everything bobby pritchett had found.
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Pritchett: It's a tough, tough situation.
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Just about all my money has gone
into this business.
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We got investors. The company owes people money.
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Now, I'm the last person left in global marine.
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I have to sell my housein order to be able to survive.
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It's...
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Just about ruined me.
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Narrator: Earlier this year,
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at a meeting held at marty lagina's home
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in florida, bobby pritchett
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met with both marty and craig tester
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to give his partners an update
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on where things stood with the florida government
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and to spell out his legal battle with the state.
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-Hey, marty.
-Hey, bobby.
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Narrator: If the florida authorities are successful
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in claiming that the wrecks
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bobby pritchett found are french
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and not spanish,
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the treasure hunter stands to lose all of the time
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and millions of dollars
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he and his partners have poured into their search.
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Well, anyway, craig,
thanks for coming over,
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because, I talked bobby
into coming to tell us
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about what's going on
with our investment,
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- basically.
-What's the next step?
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Is there a next step?
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Pritchett:
The next step is,
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in florida, to keep moving
forward in the court case.
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-Okay.
-Okay.
-Pritchett: They say
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that one of the ships we found
is la trinité.
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-But I have too much research
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that says it's not.
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One thing is we have a map from 1565
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that was in the library of congress
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that shows where la trinité lies.
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And it shows the name of the captain,
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and it's 90 miles north of us, and it...
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But never been located
physically, right?
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That's 'cause nobody looked
for it up there.
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-
- Wow.
-So the ship that we found--
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I don't think
any archaeologist will say,
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"I'm 100% sure
that this is the trinité."
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marty:
Okay, but let's say
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they accept that
it's the french flagship,
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and they did it right
by going to France.
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What about the other four?
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Are they saying
all of them are french?
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Something wrong about that.
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The burden of proof is on them,
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and there's no proof of that.
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-Right.
-But even still,
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if it is the trinité...
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-I know that just because
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it's sovereign immune
doesn't take our rights away
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for the amount of work
that we've done.
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Right.
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We still did the research
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and we still went out
and did all the surveying,
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we identified it,
so we should be compensated
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for the amount of work
that we did.
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Hopefully, the judge sees it
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-the way we see it.
-Marty: Yeah.
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What's in it for the state
of florida? If they just...
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Are they gonna get something
out of this deal with France
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that they wouldn't have got
otherwise? Explain that to me.
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Pritchett:
You know, what I've read so far,
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France doesn't want
the material in France.
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They're gonna allow the state
of florida to keep it here.
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So they'll build a museum.
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And they would house
all the material there.
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They'll get grants
from the navy, from noaa,
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from the state,
from the federal government,
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-parks and recreation.
-Yeah, okay.
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But now you have to understand
that the state,
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in their permit contract,
it says
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that we are to get 80%
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of what we recover,
and they are to get 20.
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But if they don't allow you
to recover...
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Well, then,
is the obvious reason
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that they're gonna get it
for free instead of paying 80%?
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Yes.
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All they got
to do is recover it.
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there's something fundamentally
unfair about this.
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-Yeah.
-I mean, fundamentally unfair.
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-Right.
-Marty: What's the message
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from the state of florida?
If you find something,
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you treasure hunters,
don't tell us?
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-That's-that's right.
-Yeah.
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-Yeah. Right.
-Take it at 2:00
in the morning, and-and
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sell it,
in the black market,
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because otherwise,
you're not gonna get anything.
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What you're gonna get
is bankruptcy.
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-You know, I'm not gonna say
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that the money
wasn't a motivator for us
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to get involved with you.
It was, you know.
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But it's also
for the excitement,
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-and it's also for the history.
-Yeah.
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-Absolutely.
-I'm-I'm really annoyed
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that we don't get to know
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what really happened out there.
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You don't think
it's a french ship,
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but it's got
these french artifacts on it.
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Well, there's a story there,
and the story's still buried.
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There's something
seriously wrong with that.
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Yes, there is.
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With everything that's happened, it's kind of hard
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to get excited about anything right now.
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But there's still those few
moments, every once in a while,
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that... That make it worthwhile.
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Some of the archaeologists have said
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this is one of the most significant finds in florida,
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if not the whole united state,
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because it was part of whatchanged the history of florida.
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And for me, you know,
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it's just a great feeling of accomplishment.
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And you do sit back and say,
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"damn, that was a lot of work,
but it was worth it."
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and I'm gonna stay here until we resolve these court cases.
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I can't break away from this.
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I'm stuck in this until I get past these issues.
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I'm just gonna have to see what'll happen in the future.
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All that work, all those hours,
all the money,
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all the blood, sweat and tears,
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and he finds it, and he can't
get his hands on it.
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It's-it's not fair.
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Marty:
Yeah, but in fact, matty,
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you know, governments win.
They have all the authority.
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Yeah, but you can't... You can't
put everyone in the same group.
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I mean, England, for instance--
and you're aware of it--
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they-they have
a very enlightened policy
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about treasure hunting.
I mean,
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gary could go over there,
metal detect,
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make an incredible find,
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and then, by law, he has
to inform the authorities.
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But then, the authorities
can do one of two things.
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They can either say,
"you can keep 50% of it
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"or we will place a monetary
value on the find,
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"and we will give you
50% of the... Of the worth
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of the find."
and then it goes into a museum
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where the world community
can experience it
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and look at it and apply
historical context to it.
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So, that is
a very enlightened policy.
436
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That is brilliant. And you know
what, that's a fair policy.
437
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-Right.
-And it's good for the people,
438
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it's good for the country,
it's good for the searchers.
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That's an enlightened policy.
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Rick:
At the end of the day,
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everybody wins.
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I mean, talk about maxims.
443
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"everybody wins"
is a great maxim, right?
444
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Yeah, sure it is.
445
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Better than, "finders keepers,
losers weepers."
446
00:19:17,157 --> 00:19:19,490
-yeah.
-Well, I'm telling you
right now,
447
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-the lagina brothers
would settle for 50.
-Yeah.
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--well...
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Matty: Marty, that's good stuff.
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Matty: It's funny, though.
Even if a government has
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a fair treasure-hunting policy, the other problem is
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some hunters-- I know of
some cases actually, I think--
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where some hunters say,
"look, if I play by the rules,
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"you're gonna screw me anyway,
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so, I'm gonna do it my way."
456
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-And-and then you have that.
-That's just greed, matty.
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"I don't want 50%. I want 100%."
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-I want it all. Yup.
-Right.
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And you can't stop that,
can you?
460
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Yeah, I guess
you can't legislate greed.
461
00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:54,358
-No.
-No, you can't.
462
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You can't legislate
stopping criminal behavior.
463
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You can't do that.
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You can make it a crime,
and then people can choose.
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I know there's a case
in the u.K., specifically...
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-Right.
-Of guys who figured, "hey, man,
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we're gonna just push this aside
and do it my way."
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narrator: More than 1,000 years ago,
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a band of vikings left a treasure trove
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of 300 precious rings, coins and jewelry
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buried in a hillside in leominster, England.
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The trove stayed hidden until 2015
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when two men from wales,
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layton davies and george powell,
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dug it up while metal detecting.
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The estimated value of their find:
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More than $3.8 million.
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Because the hoard is a mix
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of ninth and tenth century objects,
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according to britain's 1996 treasure act,
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anyone who believes they have found a metal object
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300 years or older has to report the find to authorities
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within two weeks.
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As far as the british are concerned,
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these objects have not only commercial value
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but great historical value
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that is often worth many times more than money.
488
00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:07,098
Coins are a lot more
than just money.
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Um, most of what we know
about the history
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of the ancient world,
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comes from what
we've found on coins.
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People-people like to put,
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what's officially important
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to their culture onto money.
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These coins were from the 9th century,
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which is a very, very interesting time
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in english history.
498
00:21:27,036 --> 00:21:30,579
The vikings had come and were actually at war
499
00:21:30,665 --> 00:21:33,624
with the kingdoms of mercia and wessex.
500
00:21:33,668 --> 00:21:36,002
And those two kingdoms
501
00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:38,087
struck a strategic alliance
at the time,
502
00:21:38,172 --> 00:21:40,798
which is not really
well understood right now.
503
00:21:40,883 --> 00:21:42,967
And there were coins
in this find
504
00:21:43,052 --> 00:21:45,136
that actually have improved our understanding
505
00:21:45,221 --> 00:21:47,221
of just how that alliance worked.
506
00:21:47,307 --> 00:21:51,475
The two emperor pennies are really quite rare.
507
00:21:51,561 --> 00:21:54,770
A highly significant
historical find.
508
00:21:56,316 --> 00:21:58,399
Narrator: Unfortunately, the two men
509
00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:00,109
decided to stay quiet
510
00:22:00,194 --> 00:22:01,819
and tried to sell their treasure
511
00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:03,112
to private collectors.
512
00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:08,326
Eventually, they were caught.
513
00:22:08,411 --> 00:22:10,494
But so far,
514
00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:13,914
only 30 of the 300 coins and objects
515
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,666
have been recovered.
516
00:22:18,046 --> 00:22:20,838
Now, here's where it gets
even more amazing,
517
00:22:20,882 --> 00:22:23,215
is that
our very own gary drayton
518
00:22:23,301 --> 00:22:25,343
has a direct tie to this story.
519
00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:28,471
He has a direct experience
as it relates to this story.
520
00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:29,805
-And it happened
521
00:22:29,891 --> 00:22:31,557
-right around here.
-Well, as...
522
00:22:31,642 --> 00:22:33,476
As only gary can tell it,
I suppose?
523
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,811
Yeah. As a matter of fact,
why don't we talk to him?
524
00:22:35,897 --> 00:22:37,355
-Great. Get him on.
-Matty: Let's do it.
525
00:22:39,734 --> 00:22:42,360
-Marty: Hey, gary.
-Hey, gary.
526
00:22:42,403 --> 00:22:43,903
-Marty: How are you?
-How you doing, chaps?
527
00:22:43,988 --> 00:22:46,781
- Good to see you, as always.
. Excuse me.
528
00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:48,366
Marty:
What's this?
529
00:22:48,451 --> 00:22:50,576
I've got an emerald
stuck in my teeth.
530
00:22:50,661 --> 00:22:52,370
marty: What's that?
531
00:22:52,455 --> 00:22:53,746
Pick your emerald.
532
00:22:53,831 --> 00:22:55,664
-Really?
-Yeah, I've been at it again, mate,
533
00:22:55,708 --> 00:22:57,041
on the treasure coast.
534
00:22:57,126 --> 00:22:58,250
You didn't find those emeralds
535
00:22:58,336 --> 00:22:59,835
with a metal detector.
536
00:22:59,921 --> 00:23:02,922
No, mate. That's using my twin optical scanners.
537
00:23:03,007 --> 00:23:04,757
marty: Hey, gary, I understand
538
00:23:04,842 --> 00:23:07,760
that you have some information
539
00:23:07,845 --> 00:23:09,678
on those guys in England
that found those coins
540
00:23:09,722 --> 00:23:12,723
but didn't turn them in.
Tell us about that.
541
00:23:12,809 --> 00:23:17,186
Well, like any good english treasure story,
542
00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:19,438
it starts at the pub.
543
00:23:19,524 --> 00:23:21,399
- -I'm in the mug & anchor
544
00:23:21,484 --> 00:23:23,317
having a beer,
545
00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:27,196
and two guys ask for a selfie.
546
00:23:27,281 --> 00:23:30,616
And so we-we start talking, and it turns out
547
00:23:30,701 --> 00:23:33,244
that the guy's
a rare coin dealer.
548
00:23:33,329 --> 00:23:37,915
And he tells me that there's two guys,
549
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,417
they found a hoard of coins,
550
00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:42,545
and they want to know if he
wanted to buy these coins.
551
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:45,089
Well, he knew it was suspicious
552
00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:48,092
so he turned the deal down.
553
00:23:48,177 --> 00:23:50,928
And then he read about it
in the newspaper
554
00:23:51,013 --> 00:23:53,264
that these same guys
555
00:23:53,349 --> 00:23:56,976
got into trouble because they hadn't declared
556
00:23:57,061 --> 00:23:58,894
the whole hoard.
557
00:23:58,980 --> 00:24:00,229
They're trying to sell
558
00:24:00,314 --> 00:24:02,731
a certain amount of 'em privately.
559
00:24:02,817 --> 00:24:04,567
And it's crazy,
560
00:24:04,652 --> 00:24:07,611
because the hoard was worth millions of pounds.
561
00:24:07,655 --> 00:24:10,489
I think they stood
to get awarded
562
00:24:10,575 --> 00:24:14,994
-probably three to five
million dollars each.
-Marty: Wow.
563
00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:16,954
-Aw, geez.
-And to cheat
564
00:24:16,998 --> 00:24:19,832
for a few hundred thousand--
it's crazy.
565
00:24:19,917 --> 00:24:22,418
Well gary, I really don't feel
sorry for those guys, then.
566
00:24:22,503 --> 00:24:24,962
That is a great scheme,
and if they wanted more,
567
00:24:25,047 --> 00:24:27,131
they were just getting greedy.
568
00:24:27,175 --> 00:24:28,799
Yeah, but not only that, that-that stuff belongs
569
00:24:28,885 --> 00:24:30,759
to the people of England.
570
00:24:30,845 --> 00:24:34,430
That's what I like about the
portable antiquities scheme:
571
00:24:34,515 --> 00:24:38,976
The detectorist gets paid, the landowner gets paid,
572
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:40,478
and the people of England
573
00:24:40,563 --> 00:24:44,231
get to see this treasure
in museums.
574
00:24:44,317 --> 00:24:45,941
Yeah, that's very good.
575
00:24:46,027 --> 00:24:48,194
That is a brilliant law, gary,
and,
576
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:51,363
-remarkably consistent
with human nature.
-When you
577
00:24:51,449 --> 00:24:54,492
-play by the rules,
everybody wins.
-Marty: Yeah,
578
00:24:54,535 --> 00:24:56,660
when the rules are enlightened,
like those.
579
00:24:56,746 --> 00:24:59,330
-Rick: Absolutely.
-Matty: Yeah.
580
00:24:59,373 --> 00:25:00,831
-Yep, it's true.
-Marty: All right, gary,
581
00:25:00,917 --> 00:25:02,583
we'll be talking again.
See you later.
582
00:25:02,668 --> 00:25:03,959
Thanks a lot.
583
00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:05,336
-Matty: See you, buddy. -Rick: Thanks, gary.
584
00:25:05,379 --> 00:25:07,671
Gary: See you, mate.
585
00:25:12,261 --> 00:25:14,845
Marty: Here's how it all comes together, matty.
586
00:25:14,931 --> 00:25:17,681
If you look at the statistics in England,
587
00:25:17,767 --> 00:25:21,018
apparently,
in the last recent history,
588
00:25:21,103 --> 00:25:24,855
90% of the historical artifacts
that now sit in museums
589
00:25:24,941 --> 00:25:28,734
so the population can see them
were found by treasure hunters.
590
00:25:28,819 --> 00:25:30,194
-Wow.
-And that's an example
591
00:25:30,238 --> 00:25:32,196
of a good policy that works.
592
00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:33,489
Not archaeologists
but treasure hunters.
593
00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:35,366
Treasure hunters, yes.
Not archaeologists.
594
00:25:35,451 --> 00:25:37,826
Rick:
You know, we've spoken
a lot here
595
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:39,578
about principled
individual behaviors
596
00:25:39,664 --> 00:25:41,997
and unprincipled behaviors.
597
00:25:42,083 --> 00:25:43,832
But there's a case
of a treasure find
598
00:25:43,918 --> 00:25:45,584
off the coast of columbia,
599
00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:48,879
a ship called the san jose,
and it
600
00:25:48,965 --> 00:25:52,258
speaks eloquently
to what happens when governments
601
00:25:52,343 --> 00:25:54,343
-become unprincipled.
-Marty: What it comes down to,
602
00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:55,719
matty, is what we learned
603
00:25:55,805 --> 00:25:58,556
as kids: Finders keepers,
losers weepers--
604
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,182
it's not necessarily true
605
00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,476
when it comes
to treasure hunting.
606
00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:06,647
Narrator: 2,000 feet beneath the waves,
607
00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:09,608
off the coast of cartagena, colombia,
608
00:26:09,694 --> 00:26:12,611
near a sandy spot called isla del tesoro--
609
00:26:12,697 --> 00:26:14,196
treasure island--
610
00:26:14,282 --> 00:26:16,907
lie the remains of a once-great spanish galleon:
611
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:18,742
The san jose.
612
00:26:18,786 --> 00:26:21,745
Known as the holy grail of shipwrecks,
613
00:26:21,789 --> 00:26:24,790
the galleon was sunkafter a disastrous naval battle
614
00:26:24,875 --> 00:26:27,251
with the british in 1708.
615
00:26:27,336 --> 00:26:29,878
But what makes the san jose
particularly notorious
616
00:26:29,964 --> 00:26:31,880
is its cargo--
617
00:26:31,966 --> 00:26:34,925
an estimated $20 billion
618
00:26:35,011 --> 00:26:37,428
in gold, silver and jewels.
619
00:26:37,513 --> 00:26:40,097
And, so far as anyone knows,
620
00:26:40,182 --> 00:26:44,602
the vast fortune is still in the ship's watery hold.
621
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,774
Lee: The san jose was in panama,
622
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:54,737
loading gold brought up from the west coast
623
00:26:54,822 --> 00:26:56,739
of south america,
624
00:26:56,824 --> 00:26:59,283
and it was there
for a very long period of time,
625
00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:02,244
so it stored a lot of gold,
626
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:05,289
along with several other ship.
627
00:27:05,374 --> 00:27:08,667
And they all sailed for cartagena, columbia,
628
00:27:08,753 --> 00:27:11,003
at the same time.
629
00:27:11,088 --> 00:27:13,088
The san jose
would have carried gold.
630
00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:15,924
It would have carried silver
from the mines of potosí.
631
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:18,385
It would have carried emerald.
632
00:27:20,973 --> 00:27:25,225
The british government was aware
of this fleet...
633
00:27:28,731 --> 00:27:31,106
...And engaged in a battle
634
00:27:31,192 --> 00:27:34,652
which resulted in the san jose
635
00:27:34,695 --> 00:27:38,322
being targeted and hit
636
00:27:38,366 --> 00:27:41,367
by several shots from the british ships,
637
00:27:41,452 --> 00:27:45,412
and ultimately exploded and sank.
638
00:27:46,832 --> 00:27:48,832
Narrator : For nearly 300 years,
639
00:27:48,918 --> 00:27:51,543
one of the largest treasure hoards ever to set sail
640
00:27:51,629 --> 00:27:54,838
was lost, but never forgotten.
641
00:27:54,882 --> 00:27:59,385
In 2015, maritime archaeology consultants
642
00:27:59,470 --> 00:28:01,470
contracted with the colombian government
643
00:28:01,514 --> 00:28:04,139
and the woods hole oceanographic institution--
644
00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:05,808
the same organization
645
00:28:05,893 --> 00:28:09,478
that located the remains of the titanic in 1985--
646
00:28:09,563 --> 00:28:11,522
to find the wreck.
647
00:28:11,607 --> 00:28:14,400
One of the men on board when the hunt began
648
00:28:14,485 --> 00:28:18,779
was woods hole research engineer jeff kaeli.
649
00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:21,490
An expedition of this scale
is incredibly complex,
650
00:28:21,575 --> 00:28:25,202
and it really comes down
to having a really good team.
651
00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:26,995
Our team was archaeologists.
652
00:28:27,081 --> 00:28:29,540
We had researchers from woods hole,
653
00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:30,874
members of the colombian government,
654
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,710
all bringing their specialties together
655
00:28:32,753 --> 00:28:35,087
where any one of those components
656
00:28:35,172 --> 00:28:37,548
by themselves wouldn't have been successful.
657
00:28:37,633 --> 00:28:40,342
It really was a huge collaborative effort.
658
00:28:43,806 --> 00:28:47,391
Our first mission in the summer of 2015 was successful
659
00:28:47,476 --> 00:28:49,977
at finding
where the san jose was not.
660
00:28:50,062 --> 00:28:52,604
And then, later that year, at the end of 2015,
661
00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:55,232
we had a second expedition,
662
00:28:55,276 --> 00:28:57,735
which was successful
in finding the san jose.
663
00:28:57,778 --> 00:29:00,112
Narrator: But finding the san jose
664
00:29:00,197 --> 00:29:02,740
was not the end of this treasure hunt.
665
00:29:02,783 --> 00:29:05,159
It was only the beginning.
666
00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:09,747
Tok thompson: So there was an interesting thing about this.
667
00:29:09,832 --> 00:29:12,958
Even if we know that thetreasure is there, whose is it?
668
00:29:13,043 --> 00:29:14,501
Spain wants it.
669
00:29:14,587 --> 00:29:16,712
Because it was
a spanish galleon that sunk.
670
00:29:16,797 --> 00:29:18,756
Colombia says it's theirs,
671
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,466
because it's in their waters.
672
00:29:20,551 --> 00:29:23,594
Then again, it was taken from the incan empire.
673
00:29:23,637 --> 00:29:25,137
John mattera: The colombian government,
674
00:29:25,222 --> 00:29:26,805
because it's in colombian waters,
675
00:29:26,891 --> 00:29:28,807
probably has the strongest claim
to the wreck--
676
00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:30,726
which I'm sure has
the strongest claim--
677
00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:32,436
they also have
the biggest navy down there.
678
00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:35,272
They have the biggest guns, so they make the rules.
679
00:29:35,357 --> 00:29:37,149
And then you have Spain, who's saying,
680
00:29:37,234 --> 00:29:39,485
"well, it was our ship. It's our gold.
681
00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:41,403
We stole that fair and square."
682
00:29:41,489 --> 00:29:43,572
narrator: The san jose is
683
00:29:43,657 --> 00:29:47,117
one of the most sought-after sunken treasures in history.
684
00:29:47,161 --> 00:29:49,912
But a protracted legal fight has, so far,
685
00:29:49,997 --> 00:29:52,498
prevented those who discovered the ship's whereabouts
686
00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:55,000
from recovering its precious cargo
687
00:29:55,085 --> 00:29:57,461
and profiting from their labo.
688
00:29:57,546 --> 00:29:59,838
Quite literally...
689
00:29:59,924 --> 00:30:03,300
We're talking about
billions of dollars
690
00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:05,302
in... In treasure.
691
00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:07,721
I really can't see any of the parties
692
00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:09,765
that are going to be willing
693
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:11,850
to just throw in the towel on this.
694
00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:14,311
At the same time...
695
00:30:14,396 --> 00:30:17,606
More treasure, the more trouble.
696
00:30:17,691 --> 00:30:19,233
Mattera: The most profitable part
697
00:30:19,318 --> 00:30:21,652
of the san jose is the lawyer.
698
00:30:21,695 --> 00:30:23,570
From the day after it sank,
699
00:30:23,656 --> 00:30:26,490
lawyers were making money
on the san jose. It's the truth.
700
00:30:26,534 --> 00:30:29,993
Narrator: But there is one force that is more powerful
701
00:30:30,037 --> 00:30:31,954
than any world government,
702
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,706
and it is even more destructive:
703
00:30:34,792 --> 00:30:36,834
Mother nature.
704
00:30:36,877 --> 00:30:40,796
While the fight over the san jose rages on land,
705
00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:43,590
the treasure-- worth billions of dollars--
706
00:30:43,676 --> 00:30:45,467
is slowly dissolving
707
00:30:45,553 --> 00:30:49,638
in the warm, salty waters off the colombian coast.
708
00:30:49,682 --> 00:30:52,516
Every day goes by is another day
there's less of it.
709
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,060
It's the law of nature. It just happens.
710
00:30:55,145 --> 00:30:57,396
Saltwater environment is not a conducive environment
711
00:30:57,481 --> 00:30:59,189
to man-made objects.
712
00:30:59,275 --> 00:31:01,859
I look at it as, we're just clearing the ocean floor
713
00:31:01,902 --> 00:31:05,070
of previous man's clutter.
714
00:31:05,155 --> 00:31:08,365
It doesn't belong there. Let's get it out of there.
715
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:11,743
I mean, when you see
a story like that, guys,
716
00:31:11,829 --> 00:31:13,662
does that give you pause
717
00:31:13,747 --> 00:31:17,165
in how you proceed here,
who you deal with?
718
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:18,917
Well, who we deal with,
certainly.
719
00:31:19,003 --> 00:31:21,211
You try, you always try and find
people of integrity. I mean,
720
00:31:21,297 --> 00:31:22,838
-but how do you know, you know?
-Sure. Right.
721
00:31:22,923 --> 00:31:25,549
Rick and I have a saying that,
when it comes to shysters,
722
00:31:25,593 --> 00:31:28,510
-the good ones are good.
-Are really good.
-Yeah, yeah.
723
00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:31,013
They ooze credibility, you know,
so you have to be on your guard.
724
00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:32,639
But, you know,
725
00:31:32,725 --> 00:31:34,933
generally speaking,
most people are... Bona fide.
726
00:31:35,019 --> 00:31:37,019
-Yeah, they're principled.
-Yeah.
727
00:31:37,104 --> 00:31:39,771
And I think good karma
attracts good karma, I guess.
728
00:31:39,857 --> 00:31:43,066
It's one, somewhat naive
way to say it, but it's true.
729
00:31:43,152 --> 00:31:45,694
I mean, if you behave
with honor and integrity,
730
00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:47,738
it draws people to you.
731
00:31:47,823 --> 00:31:51,658
And I lay it at-at the feet
of that principle.
732
00:31:58,167 --> 00:32:00,834
Matty: Guys, what about world war ii treasures?
733
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,919
Have you been interested
in that at all?
734
00:32:02,004 --> 00:32:03,587
My goodness.
735
00:32:03,672 --> 00:32:07,090
World war ii, you know,
launched enough treasure stories
736
00:32:07,176 --> 00:32:09,927
to keep anybody occupied
for the rest of their lives.
737
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:12,888
I mean, treasure got
pilfered all over the place
738
00:32:12,932 --> 00:32:15,265
by the nazis, by the russians.
739
00:32:15,351 --> 00:32:18,226
-Have you heard
of the golden buddha?
-I have not.
740
00:32:18,312 --> 00:32:22,064
-I've heard of yamashita's gold,
is it in reference to that?
-It is.
741
00:32:22,107 --> 00:32:25,651
It's a story that continues
to unfold as we speak
742
00:32:25,736 --> 00:32:27,986
and, in some cases,
743
00:32:28,072 --> 00:32:30,113
truth is almost stranger
than fiction with this thing.
744
00:32:32,409 --> 00:32:35,827
Narrator: On September 19, 1931,
745
00:32:35,913 --> 00:32:38,330
slightly more than a decade
746
00:32:38,415 --> 00:32:40,540
before the attack on pearl harbor...
747
00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:46,713
...The japanese imperial army invaded china.
748
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:49,841
And began a relentless campain
749
00:32:49,927 --> 00:32:53,261
to strip the neighboring nation of billions of dollars
750
00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:55,639
worth of diamonds and precious metals.
751
00:32:55,724 --> 00:32:57,933
It was done as part of a strategic program
752
00:32:58,018 --> 00:33:01,144
known as golden lily.
753
00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:03,647
The japanese were
largely interested
754
00:33:03,732 --> 00:33:05,857
in precious metals and gems.
755
00:33:05,943 --> 00:33:08,986
They wanted to change the state, so they had
756
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:11,196
to smelt it and put them
757
00:33:11,281 --> 00:33:15,117
in 75 kilo bars, so 165-pound bars.
758
00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:16,910
Pretty heavy to lift.
759
00:33:16,996 --> 00:33:19,329
And that's how they
would more easily
760
00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:21,748
get them transported back.
761
00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:23,417
Narrator: According to some historians,
762
00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:28,255
as the second world war endedand the allies were closing in,
763
00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:32,175
the japanese were desperate to find a safe place
764
00:33:32,261 --> 00:33:34,136
for their enormous stash of stolen loot.
765
00:33:34,221 --> 00:33:35,470
Their solution?
766
00:33:35,556 --> 00:33:38,473
To hide it in the philippines,
767
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:40,684
which was then under military occupation
768
00:33:40,728 --> 00:33:45,230
under the command of general tomoyuki yamashita.
769
00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:46,815
Kesterson: A lot of it was still
770
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:48,233
in the philippines
at that point in time,
771
00:33:48,318 --> 00:33:50,110
but it was in places
772
00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:51,778
that weren't as secure
as they wanted.
773
00:33:51,864 --> 00:33:55,449
So they pulled yamashita and said,
774
00:33:55,534 --> 00:33:58,869
"your goal is to buy us enough time
775
00:33:58,912 --> 00:34:01,538
"in order to get all the treasures buried
776
00:34:01,582 --> 00:34:05,208
before we fall
to, macarthur's army."
777
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:10,839
narrator: On October 20,1944,
778
00:34:10,924 --> 00:34:14,426
general douglas macarthur, the supreme commander
779
00:34:14,511 --> 00:34:16,386
of the southwest pacific forces,
780
00:34:16,472 --> 00:34:21,141
waded ashore at leyte, an island in the philippines
781
00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:23,935
and with him came the power and might
782
00:34:24,021 --> 00:34:26,146
of the u.S. Sixth army.
783
00:34:27,816 --> 00:34:30,400
The end of the japanese imperial army's
784
00:34:30,486 --> 00:34:33,153
reign of terror had begun.
785
00:34:33,238 --> 00:34:36,531
Two years later, japanese general yamashita
786
00:34:36,617 --> 00:34:39,409
was tried for war crimes and executed.
787
00:34:41,288 --> 00:34:44,456
But with his death came the discomforting realization
788
00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:47,084
that the location of billions of dollars
789
00:34:47,169 --> 00:34:51,046
worth of gold and jewels would be forever buried with him.
790
00:34:51,131 --> 00:34:53,507
For the next 25 years,
791
00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:57,677
the legend of yamashita's lost treasure was a popular
792
00:34:57,763 --> 00:35:00,430
subject of speculation in the philippines.
793
00:35:00,474 --> 00:35:04,559
It seemed no one knew where it was.
794
00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:09,231
No one, until 1971.
795
00:35:09,316 --> 00:35:12,692
Rogelio roxas, or roger roxas,
was a locksmith.
796
00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:14,986
Just a simple guy.
797
00:35:15,072 --> 00:35:17,322
And near his home,
798
00:35:17,407 --> 00:35:19,741
he was wandering around in the woods that he grew up in,
799
00:35:19,827 --> 00:35:23,703
which happened to be state lands, he came across a tunnel
800
00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:25,872
and when he went into that tunnel and explored,
801
00:35:25,958 --> 00:35:28,041
he found boxes.
802
00:35:28,127 --> 00:35:30,752
And in those boxes, he found gold bullion
803
00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:32,712
and he found a gold buddha,
804
00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:35,966
and in the buddha there was a lot of gems, different gems.
805
00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:40,804
Narrator: Roger roxas' discovery quickly became big news.
806
00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:44,641
But not everyone that came to see his newly-found treasure
807
00:35:44,685 --> 00:35:46,393
was happy for him.
808
00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,980
At the time of roxas' discovery,
809
00:35:50,023 --> 00:35:53,024
the philippines was ruled by ferdinand marcos--
810
00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:56,486
-a ruthless dictator. -Kesterson: When marcos
811
00:35:56,530 --> 00:36:00,532
found out that
he had this treasure,
812
00:36:00,617 --> 00:36:02,576
including the golden buddha,
813
00:36:02,661 --> 00:36:05,537
within a week, marcos sends in
814
00:36:05,622 --> 00:36:08,165
his team of thugs.
815
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:10,625
Narrator: Compelled by greed,
816
00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:14,129
marcos imprisoned and tortured roxas.
817
00:36:14,214 --> 00:36:17,382
The golden buddha and more than a dozen gold bars
818
00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:20,051
were confiscated.
819
00:36:20,137 --> 00:36:24,598
But what marcos really wanted was for roxas to reveal
820
00:36:24,683 --> 00:36:28,351
exactly where he found the golden buddha.
821
00:36:28,395 --> 00:36:31,646
Months and then years went by.
822
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:35,650
Repeatedly, roxas would be released from prison
823
00:36:35,694 --> 00:36:38,528
only to be brought back in and tortured
824
00:36:38,572 --> 00:36:39,946
until he would reveal
825
00:36:40,032 --> 00:36:42,949
the golden buddha's original hiding place.
826
00:36:43,035 --> 00:36:46,161
Eventually, marcos got the information
827
00:36:46,205 --> 00:36:48,246
he was looking for.
828
00:36:48,332 --> 00:36:50,916
To me, it's clear
that in marcos' life
829
00:36:51,001 --> 00:36:54,377
that he had a penchant
for this gold.
830
00:36:54,421 --> 00:36:57,839
Had to keep it secret
831
00:36:57,925 --> 00:36:59,549
and I believe that his wealth
832
00:36:59,635 --> 00:37:02,552
is predominantly based on these gold finds
833
00:37:02,638 --> 00:37:05,305
and converting it into a dollar value
834
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,058
in whatever banks he keeps it in.
835
00:37:08,143 --> 00:37:10,977
Narrator: But the bitter fight
836
00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:14,481
between roxas and marcos didn't end there.
837
00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:18,818
After the dictator lost power in 1986,
838
00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:22,239
roxas slapped marcos with a lawsuit
839
00:37:22,324 --> 00:37:26,326
in order to recover what was left of his treasure.
840
00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:28,411
The golden buddha corporation,
841
00:37:28,497 --> 00:37:30,956
which was rogelio roxas'
corporation,
842
00:37:31,041 --> 00:37:33,208
won the lawsuit.
843
00:37:33,293 --> 00:37:37,170
The total value that was awarded to him
844
00:37:37,256 --> 00:37:40,590
was $22 billion,
845
00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:43,760
which at that point in time was the largest judgment
846
00:37:43,804 --> 00:37:46,429
ever rendered
in the united states.
847
00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:51,434
Narrator: Of course, that would seem to be the very
848
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,437
happy ending to a very bizarre story.
849
00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:57,565
But, unfortunately, it wasn't,
850
00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:00,443
as roger roxas had died just
851
00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:03,238
as the trial was about to start.
852
00:38:03,323 --> 00:38:07,701
To make matters worse, not even his heirs
853
00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:09,661
would get to collect on the judgment,
854
00:38:09,746 --> 00:38:12,956
as the court later overturned the compensation award
855
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,667
on the grounds that the value of the recovered treasure
856
00:38:15,752 --> 00:38:19,921
was virtually impossible to properly calculate.
857
00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,506
But even so,
858
00:38:21,591 --> 00:38:25,677
the story still doesn't end there.
859
00:38:25,762 --> 00:38:28,680
Although the place where roxas found the golden buddha
860
00:38:28,765 --> 00:38:33,143
remains unknown, several other places where general yamashita
861
00:38:33,228 --> 00:38:36,730
hid his vast treasure have been found.
862
00:38:38,567 --> 00:38:43,320
Kesterson: It's impossible to put a price on the treasure.
863
00:38:43,363 --> 00:38:46,364
What marcos alone had
recovered at one point in time
864
00:38:46,450 --> 00:38:49,868
was estimated
to be $100 billion.
865
00:38:49,953 --> 00:38:53,747
There are still a lot of sites to be recovered.
866
00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:55,540
So people are still out there,
867
00:38:55,625 --> 00:38:59,627
every day looking for gold in the philippines.
868
00:38:59,713 --> 00:39:03,465
And the search continues on to this day.
869
00:39:09,973 --> 00:39:13,183
Matty: There's so many lessons in all these
870
00:39:13,226 --> 00:39:15,393
stories that
we've been talking about.
871
00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:17,187
They-they all seem to be ending
up in the court, somehow.
872
00:39:17,272 --> 00:39:20,523
They all seem to be
a bit of a mess.
873
00:39:20,609 --> 00:39:22,275
And, you know,
I-I didn't ask you--
874
00:39:22,361 --> 00:39:24,069
what did happen
to bobby pritchett?
875
00:39:24,154 --> 00:39:25,362
Where does he stand right now?
876
00:39:25,447 --> 00:39:26,821
Can he get his hands
on his treasure?
877
00:39:26,907 --> 00:39:29,115
You want to talk about a mess--
no, he's got nothing.
878
00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:31,701
His investors
have gotten nothing.
879
00:39:31,787 --> 00:39:34,621
He's pretty, well,
sort of broken, in a sense.
880
00:39:34,706 --> 00:39:37,040
I mean, certainly
in a financial sense.
881
00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:39,959
He lost his boats, um,
all of them.
882
00:39:40,045 --> 00:39:42,420
- Wow.
-And, he's got nothing.
883
00:39:42,506 --> 00:39:45,048
Well, he lost the ability
to do what he loves doing.
884
00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:47,300
-Yeah... Yeah.
-That's really the key.
885
00:39:47,386 --> 00:39:50,303
There's still a story component to this.
886
00:39:50,389 --> 00:39:53,431
And I am dismayed by the fact that
887
00:39:53,517 --> 00:39:57,268
that story currently resides at the bottom of the ocean.
888
00:39:57,354 --> 00:40:01,398
-The story remains untold,
and that always bothers me.
-Yeah.
889
00:40:01,483 --> 00:40:03,066
Rick:
Right? It's a rich story.
890
00:40:03,110 --> 00:40:05,026
You know it better than I.
891
00:40:05,112 --> 00:40:07,404
Part of it's not told--
it's still covered in sand.
892
00:40:07,447 --> 00:40:08,905
-Exactly.
-But we know
893
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:10,323
that there's
some really important
894
00:40:10,409 --> 00:40:13,410
historical artifacts
on that shipwreck,
895
00:40:13,495 --> 00:40:14,911
regardless of who prevails
896
00:40:14,955 --> 00:40:16,704
-and whose ship it was,
-right.
897
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:19,833
-There's some real history
and it should be revealed.
-Matty: Yeah.
898
00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:22,502
That alone could change
what we know
899
00:40:22,587 --> 00:40:24,254
about the history
of florida, for example.
900
00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:25,964
-Yes.
-Might change
the history books, literally.
901
00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:27,424
-Yeah.
-And it's just sitting there.
902
00:40:27,509 --> 00:40:29,426
You'd think the archeologists
would be all over that.
903
00:40:29,469 --> 00:40:31,428
- Right?
- -Marty: yeah.
904
00:40:31,513 --> 00:40:33,263
I want to comment on one thing
about oak island that you said.
905
00:40:33,348 --> 00:40:35,014
You know,
"does it give us pause?"
906
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:36,349
it...
Yes, it gives us pause
907
00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:39,310
in one sense, because,
908
00:40:39,396 --> 00:40:41,521
you know, there's a lot of money
been spent on oak island
909
00:40:41,606 --> 00:40:43,022
and if we end up
getting nothing or just
910
00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:44,816
a big fight
when we actually make a find,
911
00:40:44,901 --> 00:40:46,651
that's-that's
an upsetting thought.
912
00:40:46,736 --> 00:40:49,487
Rick:
And the truth is I don't think
913
00:40:49,573 --> 00:40:51,322
that if that were to happen--
914
00:40:51,408 --> 00:40:54,242
we make a great find
of "treasure"--
915
00:40:54,286 --> 00:40:57,829
I will sit in this chair
until I am nothing but dust
916
00:40:57,914 --> 00:41:02,041
and believe that there's
a way to reach a compromise
917
00:41:02,127 --> 00:41:04,085
-with this.
-Yeah.
918
00:41:04,171 --> 00:41:05,962
I think the government
here in canada has been great.
919
00:41:06,006 --> 00:41:07,505
-Absolutely.
-We've got, um, you know,
920
00:41:07,591 --> 00:41:09,090
I mean, they're-they're tough.
921
00:41:09,134 --> 00:41:11,176
But overall, very cooperative.
922
00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:14,471
I've always said that we are
stewards of a great mystery
923
00:41:14,514 --> 00:41:17,891
less than owners
of a mysterious island.
924
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:20,810
And,
I'll go to my grave thinking
925
00:41:20,854 --> 00:41:22,312
that that's an important
facet of this.
926
00:41:22,397 --> 00:41:25,940
It's not just the treasure hunt,
it's a storytelling hunt.
927
00:41:26,026 --> 00:41:29,194
And I think it's very,
very important, and I think if
928
00:41:29,279 --> 00:41:32,197
these other treasure hunts
focused a little bit more
929
00:41:32,282 --> 00:41:35,241
on that than on actual
treasure retrieval,
930
00:41:35,327 --> 00:41:38,661
I think all parties
would be better for it.
931
00:41:38,747 --> 00:41:41,122
Marty:
There's a lot
of stories out there.
932
00:41:41,208 --> 00:41:44,209
And precious few where
the successful treasure hunter
933
00:41:44,294 --> 00:41:47,253
became wealthy and happy.
934
00:41:47,339 --> 00:41:49,422
There's a lot
that are just the opposite.
935
00:41:49,508 --> 00:41:51,883
Wow. That's real sad.
936
00:41:51,968 --> 00:41:54,719
But it mustn't
keep you from moving forward.
937
00:41:54,804 --> 00:41:55,803
Marty: Amen.
938
00:41:56,848 --> 00:41:58,014
Rick: Either with our shields
939
00:41:58,058 --> 00:41:59,265
or dead upon them.
940
00:41:59,351 --> 00:42:02,352
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