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It was 6:00 in the morning.
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I got a knock on my door... a
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really loud knock... and I
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thought it was my dad, who had
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locked himself out or something.
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So I opened it, and it's the.
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I.e.d. Flashlights and the
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really obnoxious bullet-proof
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vest and the dragging me out
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into the cold when I'm in my
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pajamas.
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That was not fun.
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They seemed pretty shocked by
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the sarcastic, belligerent,
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angry teenager that they dragged
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out of bed that day.
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I don't know if it's just that I
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was 19 or that I was a girl, but
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they didn't expect... This.
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10,000 angry kids... whoever
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they are, they scared the shit
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out of some people those days.
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They scared the shit out of the
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powers that be, and that's why
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this is being investigated.
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That's why I'm under
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indictment.
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That's it, because between the
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days of December 6th and
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December 10th, 10,000 angry
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people proved to the government
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that their regulations, their
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ideas, their view of PayPal,
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their view of wikileaks, their
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view of the Afghan war, and
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Egypt and Tunisia and Libya...
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It didn't... Matter.
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Their opinion no longer mattered
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because someone was out on the
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Internet kicking ass.
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The computer hacker group
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anonymous is claiming tonight
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that it took down the website of
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the federal appeals court in
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San Francisco this afternoon.
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They took down senate. Gov
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servers, they've taken down
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hbgary, Sony's claiming they did
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$150 million worth of damage.
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So many confidential files
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that tonight, because of these
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hackers, can be in the hands of
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anyone.
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Visa, mastercard, the PayPal
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situation.
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The criminals who hacked into
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Sarah Palin's private e-mail.
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The church of scientology
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says anonymous is a
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cyber-terrorist group of
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religious bigots.
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Anonymous and this other
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group called lulzsec... they
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seem to be wanting to prove a
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point.
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Anonymous kind of was like
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the big, strong, buff kid who
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had low self-esteem, and then
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all of a sudden, punched
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somebody in the face and was
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like, "holy shit, I'm really"
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strong!"
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And anonymous calls itself "the"
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"final boss of the Internet," and
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sometimes if proves to be
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really fucking true.
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If you are going to violate the
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freedoms of the Internet, you
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certainly better watch the fuck
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out.
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They are kind of the rude
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boys of activism.
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There's a real rough edge to
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them, which I think also is one
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reason why they garner so much
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love and hate from people, too.
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They represent a certain sort of
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chaotic freedom.
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Individual, young, nameless,
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faceless folks are having
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geopolitical impact.
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I mean, it's both exhilarating
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to realize that and terrifying
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to realize that.
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It kind of depends on how that
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power is wielded.
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We are legion.
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We do not forget.
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Expect us.
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We stand for freedom.
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We stand for freedom of speech,
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the power of the people, the
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ability for them to protest
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against their government, to
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right wrongs.
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No censorship, especially online
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but also in real life.
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We have members throughout
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society, in all stratas of it
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worldwide.
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Yeah, we have no leadership.
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It's one voice... it's not
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individual voices.
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That's why we don't show our
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faces, that's why we don't give
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our names.
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We're speaking as one.
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It's a collective.
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Good timing.
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I got called a terrorist
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sympathizer.
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We've been called kids, we've
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been called cyber-bullies, we've
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been called hooligans, and, you
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know, sometimes those words
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aren't entirely unfair, but this
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is a serious political movement.
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No one in the general public
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really seems to get it.
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What they don't seem to get is
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that the ability for anonymous
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to be everything and anything is
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it's power.
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Anonymous is a series of
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relationships... hundreds and
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hundreds of people who are very
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active in it, and who have
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varying skill sets, and who have
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varying issues they want to
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advance and who are
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collaborating in different ways
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each day.
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They're a little bit like a
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prism or a kaleidoscope...
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They're got many different
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facets and many different sides.
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Of course, when you spend enough
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time with them, you start to get
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a sort of feel or texture that's
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not just random, right?
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Yet it's very multifaceted,
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very rich, which does span from
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the quite lighthearted to the
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very, very serious.
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Bob Dylan had a line in his
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song, to sing, "to live outside"
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the law, you must be honest."
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They might do something which
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isn't technically correct,
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maybe it's not legally correct,
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but they're doing it for
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purposes that, in their minds at
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least, are ethical.
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People who know what they're
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doing, who share an ethos, who
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have a commitment to exposing
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and humiliating "the man," who
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have a very low tolerance of
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lies and what they perceive as
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evil on the part of overweening
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power structures.
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They share information, they
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share tools and techniques, and
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they are currently having a very
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good time.
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They hacker culture, as we
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know it, really sprang from one
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place.
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It was m.I.T., and it was
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specifically the people in the
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model-railroad club, the
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tech-model-railroad club.
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Hacking originated as
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humorous pranks when the guys at
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m.i.t. Put a Volkswagen up on
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top of the dome of the building,
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and people woke up and saw the
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car up there in the morning.
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Or they measured a bridge by the
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body lengths of somebody, I
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would say his name was Brian,
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and discovered the bridge over
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the Charles river was
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822 Brians.
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These are funny things.
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That's where hacking originated,
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and it migrated into engineering
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and computer communities.
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It's witty. It's pranks.
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Basically, Microsoft and
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apple both got their entire
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start off computer crime.
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Bill Gates stole pretty much all
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of ms-dos.
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Steve Jobs... he was creating
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boxes to defraud the phone
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company.
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I always saw hacking as
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implicitly political.
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Hackers, whether they're
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conscious about it or not,
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whether they're explicit about
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it or not, make a statement
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about how we should treat
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information.
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And some years after my book
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came out, one of the people I
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wrote about, Richard stallman,
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got very publicly and
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explicitly political about
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software.
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And he believed that software
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should be free... free as in
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freedom, not free as in beer, as
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he put it there.
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Behind it, whether misguided or
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not, there's a political
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impulse.
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I'm Chris wysopal, former
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member of the lopht.
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We don't necessarily say
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"hacking group" because it makes
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it sound like we're hacking, so
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we used to call it
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"a hacker's think tank."
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"Hacktivism" was a term coined
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by a group called
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"the cult of the dead cow."
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The lopht had an interesting
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relationship with
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the cult of the dead cow.
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Actually, there were some
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members that were in both
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organizations.
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And we kind of kept, like, the
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serious security research that
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they were doing, they would do
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under the lopht name, and if
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they were doing some sort of
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just goofy stunt-like things,
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they would do it under
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the cult of the dead cow name,
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because the cult of the dead cow
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was really kind of sort of like
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a propaganda type of
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organization.
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They had a guy who was the
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minister of propaganda.
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They're kind of merry
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pranksters, like everything they
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did was completely over the top.
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One of the guys there coined the
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term "hacktivism" because he saw
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one of the things his group was
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doing, which he called
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"hacktivism," was writing
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software that people in other
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countries could use to
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communicate securely, even if
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their government was spying on
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them.
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So the principle was really
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freedom of expression.
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It was everyone should have
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access to the Internet, everyone
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should be able to communicate
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and get their message out on the
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Internet, even more important,
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in countries where there was
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repressive regimes that if you
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said something against the
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regime, they would come and take
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you away and you weren't saying
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it anymore.
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"Hacktivism" has often meant
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to designate a form of political
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activity in which technology
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assistance is used for
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human-rights activism.
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That's kind of the narrow sense
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of the word.
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It usually stays within the
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purview of the law... usually,
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because by providing
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technological assistance, you
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may be breaking a local law,
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however.
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And yet, other forms of digital
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interventions, protest, dissent,
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disobedience are clearly pushing
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the boundaries of the law, are
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seeking to actively break the
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law in protest, or are just
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merely transgressive, as well.
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Just like in traditional
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activism, it spans the full
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gamut from sit-ins or pickets to
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actually spiking trees and
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pouring sand in the engines of
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construction vehicles.
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I mean, there's real sabotage.
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The same thing does all fall
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under the "hacktivism" label.
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There is a spectrum.
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A good place to start are
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with what has often been called
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virtual sit-ins, which use the
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tactic of a denial of service
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attack.
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Denial of service has been
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around for a long, long time.
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The equivalent of if you, for
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some reason, wanted to disrupt a
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bus service, right?
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You can hire a thousand extras
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to all go and line up at the bus
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station and get on the bus.
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And so then anyone who was
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really trying to get on the bus
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couldn't do it.
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It's as simple as that... when
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you stop trying to visit,
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website goes back up, no
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permanent damage.
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And this tactic has been used
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by a number of different groups.
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Probably the most famous is the
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electronic disturbance theater.
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Another really interesting case
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happened in Germany where a
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group of activists got together
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who wanted to protest the fact
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that the airline lufthansa...
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They were using their planes to
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deport immigrants.
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And they would take down the
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site.
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And, in fact, eventually, the
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German courts ruled that this
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could be a legitimate form of
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protest.
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This sometimes has strong
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anarchist flavor to it, as well.
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It's resistance to authority and
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those who would impose
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group-think and group-behavior
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on the people, which was
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rightly perceived to be a
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consequence of the digital
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revolution as it was used by
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people in power... to do
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hacking on behalf of
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righteousness and to redress the
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grievances of the world.
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Lance-lowered Don quixote on his
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horse, nag though she was,
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flying at the windmills of
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modern life.
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Anonymous grew out of what's
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know as 4chan.
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And essentially, this is just a
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website where people can upload
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images and you don't actually
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give your name, it's just sort
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of anonymous.
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When you look at 4chan,
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you're often surprised because
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it looks like a site from like
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1995 or something.
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The idea is very simple... you
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post a comment and you post a
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picture, and you can post under
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your name or anonymously.
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And it's separated into boards
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about particular topics, so
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there's a topic on anime,
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there's a topic on weaponry.
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There's like a 4chan board
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for origami and you just upload
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interesting pictures of origami.
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And then, there was a group
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called the "/b/ board," which
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essentially was for, like,
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anything goes.
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The first time anybody goes
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on /b/, it's kind of an instant
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revulsion, 'cause there's never
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a time that you go on there
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where you don't see something
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horrible.
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That instantly puts off a lot of
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people.
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The idea is post something
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that can never be unseen.
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Half of the posts on /b/ are
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there specifically to make
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people not want to come back to
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/b/.
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Have you ever read
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"lord of the flies"?
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4chan and especially /b/ is
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"lord of the flies," except some
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of them aren't 16 anymore.
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They're just allowed to act 16.
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It's the most vile,
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disgusting, and funny thing on
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the Internet.
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4chan was founded by
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Chris "moot" poole when he was
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very young, maybe 15, in the
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early 2000s.
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He started 4chan because he was
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a big fan of Japanese animation.
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Chris "moot" poole's the
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sweetest kid you've ever met in
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your life.
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He's small, and he's, like...
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He's got these sort of like tiny
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features, and he runs the most
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disgusting website in the world.
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What I think is really
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intriguing about a community
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like 4chan is just that it's
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this open place.
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As I said, it's raw, it's
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unfiltered, and sites like it
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are kind of going the way of the
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dinosaur right now.
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They're endangered because we're
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moving towards social
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networking.
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We're moving towards persistent
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identity.
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We're moving towards, you know,
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a lack of privacy, really.
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The /b/ board... that's the
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exact opposite of Facebook.
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Facebook, you're supposed to be
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who you are and there's sort of
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one model, which is that you're
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friends with people, right?
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In 4chan, you're a totally
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anonymous nobody.
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And anonymous speech is... a lot
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of it's ugly, but not all of it
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is.
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It's actually sort of a place
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where people can be honest.
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One of the important things
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about 4chan is to have a thread
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that really explodes and lasts
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for a long time.
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'Cause if it doesn't, then it
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disappears... it's a site that's
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not archived.
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So it creates conditions for
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anything that grabs attention,
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at some level, and so humor and
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grotesqueness, as a result, are
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quite good for that.
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I'd rather just be referred
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to as anonymous, I guess, in the
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interviews 'cause I have some
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docs out on me.
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You'll see something posted one
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day, and then a week later it's
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got 50,000 derivatives of it.
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A lot of the great Internet
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memes that we all know and love,
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you know, lolcats, right, you
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know, little cats doing funny
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things and then they have "I can"
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"has cheezburger," right?
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All that stuff seems to start in
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this petri dish that is 4chan,
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/b/ board.
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♪ Say it publicly, and
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you're insane ♪
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♪ Chocolate rain ♪
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Name any meme from the last
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about six years, and I'll bet
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you, either in it's first
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posting ever was on 4chan, or at
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least one of it's earliest
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revisions that became what it
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was was on 4chan.
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I can see the food situation
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is so we'll be on our
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way.
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♪ Never gonna give you up ♪
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♪ Never gonna let you down ♪
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It's basically the best
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breeding ground for Internet
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culture, as far as I'm
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concerned.
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♪ With your neighborhood
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insurance rates ♪
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♪ Chocolate rain ♪
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4chan is also very known for
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acts of trolling.
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For them, it's funny, that
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people think the Internet is
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serious business.
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And if people think the Internet
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is serious business, it's a
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troll's job to make their life
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terrible.
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The idea of anonymous came
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initially as a joke.
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I mean, somebody suggested that,
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"what if the whole site, what if"
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4chan, what if /b/ was just one
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person, and what if that's just
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one guy called anonymous sitting
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somewhere and you're just
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reading all these posts by one
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"guy?"
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And it kind of looked like
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that, from the outsider's
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perspective.
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I mean, there's no way to tell
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the difference.
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It might as well be one guy.
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Fox news did a very famous
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segment about it.
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They call themselves
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"anonymous."
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They are hackers on steroids,
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treating the web like a
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real-life video game... sacking
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websites, invading MySpace
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accounts, disrupting innocent
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people's lives, and if you fight
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back, watch out.
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Threats from a gang of
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computer hackers calling
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themselves "anonymous."
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I've had seven different
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passwords, and they've got them
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all so far.
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Anonymous hacked his site and
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plastered it with gay-sex
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pictures.
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His girlfriend left him.
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She thought that I was
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cheating on her with guys.
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As long as I can think back,
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anonymous has done some pretty
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off-color things in the name of
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getting cheap laughs, you know?
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But, I mean, that's part of the
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culture.
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They get what
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they call "lulz."
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"Lulz" is a corruption of
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"lol," which stands for laugh
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out loud.
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Anonymous gets big "lulz" from
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pulling random pranks.
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For example, messing with online
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children's games like
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"habbo hotel."
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"Habbo hotel" was this online
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community where you had an
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avatar and you walked around and
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00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:29,166
talked to other people.
577
00:19:29,167 --> 00:19:30,732
It was kind of like an early
578
00:19:30,733 --> 00:19:32,399
version of "world of warcraft"
579
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or "second life" or any of those
580
00:19:34,167 --> 00:19:35,133
virtual worlds.
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What the people on /b/ did was
582
00:19:38,067 --> 00:19:40,932
invade "habbo hotel," created
583
00:19:40,933 --> 00:19:43,132
thousands of avatars.
584
00:19:43,133 --> 00:19:45,399
They all had this one uniform of
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00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,366
a black guy with a big afro
586
00:19:47,367 --> 00:19:48,966
wearing a black suit.
587
00:19:48,967 --> 00:19:51,199
And so there would be thousands
588
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,032
of these people... black guys,
589
00:19:53,033 --> 00:19:55,066
black suit, huge afro... walking
590
00:19:55,067 --> 00:19:56,799
around this world, and they
591
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,566
would do things like form a
592
00:19:58,567 --> 00:20:00,332
swastika out of themselves.
593
00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:02,066
And I think that was a real
594
00:20:02,067 --> 00:20:03,866
landmark because it was when
595
00:20:03,867 --> 00:20:05,866
they were able to see that they
596
00:20:05,867 --> 00:20:07,599
can use their numbers to do
597
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,632
something really interesting and
598
00:20:09,633 --> 00:20:11,167
really disruptive.
599
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,099
Those kids loved that pool.
600
00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:25,699
They loved the shit out of their
601
00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:26,133
pool.
602
00:20:26,134 --> 00:20:27,632
The goal was actually to
603
00:20:27,633 --> 00:20:29,299
offend everyone, simply because
604
00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:30,866
the idea that we could offend
605
00:20:30,867 --> 00:20:32,599
you by drawing a little shape on
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00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,132
the screen was stupid to the
607
00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:35,500
people involved in it.
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00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:36,999
They were like, "really?"
609
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,599
You're gonna get that mad over
610
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,266
us doing... just drawing this on
611
00:20:40,267 --> 00:20:40,967
the screen?
612
00:20:40,968 --> 00:20:42,666
Wow, well, you need to refocus a
613
00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:44,099
little on life, 'cause this
614
00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,766
should not be upsetting you that
615
00:20:45,767 --> 00:20:46,267
"much."
616
00:20:46,268 --> 00:20:48,499
Barrett brown, I'm the
617
00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,966
director of project pm and a
618
00:20:50,967 --> 00:20:53,732
former operative with anonymous.
619
00:20:53,733 --> 00:20:55,232
We were targeting furries, which
620
00:20:55,233 --> 00:20:56,566
meant we entered a subculture of
621
00:20:56,567 --> 00:20:58,232
people, of course, who a lot of
622
00:20:58,233 --> 00:20:59,966
people on 4chan find irritating
623
00:20:59,967 --> 00:21:01,966
by virtue of they're being
624
00:21:01,967 --> 00:21:03,466
irritating.
625
00:21:03,467 --> 00:21:06,132
A furry is someone, generally a
626
00:21:06,133 --> 00:21:08,832
male in his 20s, who identifies
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00:21:08,833 --> 00:21:11,566
with animals and often times has
628
00:21:11,567 --> 00:21:13,832
sexual attraction to other
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00:21:13,833 --> 00:21:16,132
people dressed as animals.
630
00:21:16,133 --> 00:21:17,232
We had furry infiltrators,
631
00:21:17,233 --> 00:21:18,399
people trying, you know... we
632
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,233
had secret groups.
633
00:21:19,233 --> 00:21:20,067
Mine was called the
634
00:21:20,068 --> 00:21:21,966
"illuminati/I/illuminati," and
635
00:21:21,967 --> 00:21:23,832
our goal was to wreak as much
636
00:21:23,833 --> 00:21:25,699
havoc as possible, because it
637
00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:26,567
was stupid.
638
00:21:26,568 --> 00:21:28,166
There was a point when I
639
00:21:28,167 --> 00:21:30,066
otherwise seemed a respectable
640
00:21:30,067 --> 00:21:31,932
writer, in 2007, and my first
641
00:21:31,933 --> 00:21:33,966
book had come out like that, but
642
00:21:33,967 --> 00:21:35,432
I spent my evenings on
643
00:21:35,433 --> 00:21:37,432
"second life," that big virtual
644
00:21:37,433 --> 00:21:39,466
world riding around in a virtual
645
00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:41,032
spaceship with the words
646
00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:42,999
"faggory daggory do" written on
647
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,999
it, wearing afros, and dropping
648
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,032
virtual bombs on little villages
649
00:21:47,033 --> 00:21:48,932
and concerts, and waving giant
650
00:21:48,933 --> 00:21:50,032
penises around.
651
00:21:50,033 --> 00:21:51,566
And that was the most fun time I
652
00:21:51,567 --> 00:21:54,067
ever had in my life.
653
00:21:54,267 --> 00:21:56,132
All these different
654
00:21:56,133 --> 00:21:58,566
organizations online, whether
655
00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:01,066
it's 4chan or just any website,
656
00:22:01,067 --> 00:22:02,666
there's typically a community
657
00:22:02,667 --> 00:22:03,567
aspect to it.
658
00:22:03,568 --> 00:22:05,166
This is where people have their
659
00:22:05,167 --> 00:22:06,366
social relationships.
660
00:22:06,367 --> 00:22:08,099
This is where their friends are.
661
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:09,566
This is where they have a
662
00:22:09,567 --> 00:22:10,467
creative outlet.
663
00:22:10,468 --> 00:22:11,999
And so all those aspects are
664
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,332
going in to groups like
665
00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:15,032
anonymous where people feel like
666
00:22:15,033 --> 00:22:16,666
they're part of a bigger thing
667
00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:18,166
and they're able to express
668
00:22:18,167 --> 00:22:19,700
themselves within that group.
669
00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:21,966
There were certain words,
670
00:22:21,967 --> 00:22:24,132
certain phrases, certain ways
671
00:22:24,133 --> 00:22:25,999
people respond to things,
672
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,199
certain images that are posted
673
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,566
that created a pattern, and that
674
00:22:30,567 --> 00:22:32,866
pattern was, I guess, the origin
675
00:22:32,867 --> 00:22:34,766
of what is now anonymous.
676
00:22:34,767 --> 00:22:35,966
It's like free masons with a
677
00:22:35,967 --> 00:22:37,132
sense of humor, in so much that
678
00:22:37,133 --> 00:22:38,332
they have this common symbology
679
00:22:38,333 --> 00:22:40,066
and one of their chief joys,
680
00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:41,899
which is kind of wrapped up in
681
00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,799
power and secrecy, was the fact
682
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,632
that they could recognize each
683
00:22:45,633 --> 00:22:47,232
other by referencing these
684
00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:48,866
symbols, referencing these
685
00:22:48,867 --> 00:22:50,866
phrases... "over 9,000."
686
00:22:50,867 --> 00:22:53,032
It's over 9,000!
687
00:22:53,033 --> 00:22:56,366
"I lost my iPod," "mudkipz,"
688
00:22:56,367 --> 00:22:57,999
anything involving mudkipz.
689
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,866
So you have this weird sort of
690
00:22:59,867 --> 00:23:01,766
international culture developing
691
00:23:01,767 --> 00:23:03,566
with people across the world,
692
00:23:03,567 --> 00:23:04,832
wherever they may be.
693
00:23:04,833 --> 00:23:07,999
In late '06, and into early
694
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,632
'07, there's a bit of a sea
695
00:23:09,633 --> 00:23:11,332
change where instead of just
696
00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:13,099
posting a bunch of content, or
697
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,999
randomly saying, "we're going to"
698
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,866
go over to some website and post
699
00:23:16,867 --> 00:23:18,399
a bunch of dirty comments
700
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,199
"against someone," it becomes a
701
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,567
little more organized.
702
00:23:21,767 --> 00:23:22,767
Welcome to
703
00:23:22,768 --> 00:23:24,099
"the hal Turner show"!
704
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:25,432
They went after a guy named
705
00:23:25,433 --> 00:23:26,599
hal Turner.
706
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,266
I am being discriminated
707
00:23:28,267 --> 00:23:30,800
against because I'm white.
708
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,932
Hal Turner was a Neo-Nazi who
709
00:23:33,933 --> 00:23:36,199
was big online and had a
710
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,232
podcast.
711
00:23:37,233 --> 00:23:38,566
I think that the 14th
712
00:23:38,567 --> 00:23:40,732
amendment was not ratified
713
00:23:40,733 --> 00:23:42,732
properly, and I think,
714
00:23:42,733 --> 00:23:45,332
therefore, it is still okay to
715
00:23:45,333 --> 00:23:46,832
have negroes as slaves in
716
00:23:46,833 --> 00:23:47,833
America.
717
00:24:23,067 --> 00:24:24,266
I'm like, "yeah, screw that"
718
00:24:24,267 --> 00:24:25,200
racist son of a bitch!
719
00:24:25,201 --> 00:24:26,232
"Let's do this," you know?
720
00:24:26,233 --> 00:24:27,699
So I joined in, and I made some
721
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:29,199
of the phone calls and I played
722
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,666
around on the chat thing on his
723
00:24:30,667 --> 00:24:31,899
website and posted in the
724
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:32,966
threads, and whatnot.
725
00:24:32,967 --> 00:24:33,833
Who are you?
726
00:24:33,834 --> 00:24:35,099
Where you calling from?
727
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:36,566
Hola!
728
00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:38,099
This is Pedro! From San Diego!
729
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,099
Spic, don't call my radio
730
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:41,932
show anymore, you filthy spic
731
00:24:41,933 --> 00:24:42,433
animal!
732
00:24:42,434 --> 00:24:45,366
The college that I go to has
733
00:24:45,367 --> 00:24:47,366
begun an integration program
734
00:24:47,367 --> 00:24:49,366
where they try and purposely
735
00:24:49,367 --> 00:24:51,432
lower standards to bring more
736
00:24:51,433 --> 00:24:53,299
blacks and "diversify" the
737
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:54,067
campus.
738
00:24:54,068 --> 00:24:56,232
And by the end of the next five
739
00:24:56,233 --> 00:24:58,166
years, they intend to bring
740
00:24:58,167 --> 00:24:59,732
over 9,000.
741
00:24:59,733 --> 00:25:01,432
He was just a horribly racist
742
00:25:01,433 --> 00:25:03,099
radio personality who seemed to
743
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:04,699
handle it well when you called
744
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:05,067
in.
745
00:25:05,068 --> 00:25:06,566
Like, he could handle being
746
00:25:06,567 --> 00:25:07,766
berated by anonymous.
747
00:25:07,767 --> 00:25:08,966
And that made it very
748
00:25:08,967 --> 00:25:09,733
interesting.
749
00:25:09,734 --> 00:25:11,432
It made it a bit of a challenge.
750
00:25:11,433 --> 00:25:12,899
It wasn't some guy who just
751
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,332
either crumbled or stopped
752
00:25:14,333 --> 00:25:15,566
answering the phone.
753
00:25:15,567 --> 00:25:16,966
It was a guy who would yell
754
00:25:16,967 --> 00:25:17,433
back.
755
00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:19,166
I don't see really where
756
00:25:19,167 --> 00:25:20,766
you're going with this.
757
00:25:20,767 --> 00:25:22,732
Where I'm going is I believe
758
00:25:22,733 --> 00:25:24,566
Barack Obama is genetically
759
00:25:24,567 --> 00:25:26,332
incapable of exercising the
760
00:25:26,333 --> 00:25:28,266
power necessary to govern the
761
00:25:28,267 --> 00:25:29,999
most complicated nation on
762
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,667
earth.
763
00:25:30,668 --> 00:25:32,466
That's where I'm going with
764
00:25:32,467 --> 00:25:33,067
this.
765
00:25:33,068 --> 00:25:35,032
And I think part of the reason
766
00:25:35,033 --> 00:25:36,932
he's incapable of doing it is
767
00:25:36,933 --> 00:25:38,632
because of racial-genetic
768
00:25:38,633 --> 00:25:41,632
inferiority.
769
00:25:41,633 --> 00:25:43,366
Is that clear enough for you?
770
00:25:43,367 --> 00:25:45,099
No, you changed the subject
771
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:45,667
again.
772
00:25:45,668 --> 00:25:47,266
Wait a second, you asked
773
00:25:47,267 --> 00:25:47,800
me...
774
00:25:47,801 --> 00:25:49,366
Hal Turner wasn't the first
775
00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:51,032
actual person that anonymous had
776
00:25:51,033 --> 00:25:52,566
caused trouble for, but the
777
00:25:52,567 --> 00:25:53,966
circumstances ended up being
778
00:25:53,967 --> 00:25:54,767
significant.
779
00:25:54,768 --> 00:25:56,332
They ddos'd his website, stuff
780
00:25:56,333 --> 00:25:57,999
like that, costing him thousands
781
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,767
of dollars in bandwidth fees.
782
00:26:25,967 --> 00:26:27,199
And then they ended up
783
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,566
getting some real hackers to
784
00:26:28,567 --> 00:26:30,066
help them out, like this wasn't
785
00:26:30,067 --> 00:26:30,900
sort of pranks.
786
00:26:30,901 --> 00:26:33,166
They actually were able to get
787
00:26:33,167 --> 00:26:35,099
into hal Turner's private
788
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,566
servers and his mail servers and
789
00:26:37,567 --> 00:26:39,732
find some interesting e-mails
790
00:26:39,733 --> 00:26:41,932
that he was serving as an FBI
791
00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:44,066
informant, which if you're a
792
00:26:44,067 --> 00:26:46,199
right-wing Neo-Nazi is not a
793
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,432
good thing be.
794
00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:49,199
And obviously, him being an
795
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,799
FBI informant, and also his
796
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,199
reaction... his sort of
797
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,999
douche-baggy reaction... to the
798
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,732
raids damaged his credibility
799
00:26:55,733 --> 00:26:57,432
within the white nationalists
800
00:26:57,433 --> 00:26:59,832
scene, which is a shame.
801
00:26:59,833 --> 00:27:01,599
Hal Turner's gone.
802
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,132
He's been prosecuted by the feds
803
00:27:04,133 --> 00:27:06,032
for threatening judges.
804
00:27:06,033 --> 00:27:07,166
It wasn't supposed to be
805
00:27:07,167 --> 00:27:08,432
different, but it ended up being
806
00:27:08,433 --> 00:27:08,967
different.
807
00:27:08,968 --> 00:27:10,266
People who observe anonymous see
808
00:27:10,267 --> 00:27:11,566
this group called anonymous is
809
00:27:11,567 --> 00:27:12,433
going after this white
810
00:27:12,434 --> 00:27:13,666
nationalist and say, "oh, hey",
811
00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:14,799
look, anonymous must be some
812
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,066
"kind of activist organization."
813
00:27:16,067 --> 00:27:17,399
So, by virtue of those people
814
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,699
joining anonymous, anonymous
815
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:19,999
becomes more of an activist
816
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,700
organization.
817
00:27:20,701 --> 00:27:22,232
What follows is a period of
818
00:27:22,233 --> 00:27:24,032
confusion and anger in which the
819
00:27:24,033 --> 00:27:25,799
original anonymous people... the
820
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,566
sort who want to keep anonymous
821
00:27:27,567 --> 00:27:28,899
as this nihilist little
822
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,566
ridiculous group... are upset
823
00:27:30,567 --> 00:27:32,566
that now the most terrible thing
824
00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:34,566
on the Internet is now becoming
825
00:27:34,567 --> 00:27:36,132
a force for good all of a
826
00:27:36,133 --> 00:27:37,133
sudden.
827
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,432
Anonymous has never been
828
00:27:41,433 --> 00:27:43,332
about getting media attention or
829
00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:45,066
getting all of this attention
830
00:27:45,067 --> 00:27:45,900
towards it.
831
00:27:45,901 --> 00:27:47,966
I mean, it's a community, a
832
00:27:47,967 --> 00:27:49,866
pretty sometimes insular
833
00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:52,132
community that just kind of kept
834
00:27:52,133 --> 00:27:54,266
to itself, made jokes and made
835
00:27:54,267 --> 00:27:55,067
content.
836
00:27:55,068 --> 00:27:58,066
But that was, of course, changed
837
00:27:58,067 --> 00:27:58,800
completely.
838
00:27:58,801 --> 00:28:00,366
It's thrown completely on its
839
00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:01,866
head when chanology started.
840
00:28:01,867 --> 00:28:04,032
Anonymous began to become
841
00:28:04,033 --> 00:28:05,199
less just of a culture, you
842
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,366
know, of people who wanted to
843
00:28:06,367 --> 00:28:09,699
perform pranks and more of the.
844
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:11,199
Internet's first army.
845
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,899
I'm Mike vitale, and my
846
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,266
handle's "sethdood."
847
00:28:14,267 --> 00:28:16,432
Now, this is January 2008.
848
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:17,566
Anonymous is strong now.
849
00:28:17,567 --> 00:28:18,699
You know, we're not a little
850
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:19,932
dinky fucking group anymore.
851
00:28:19,933 --> 00:28:21,266
Like, this is, like, millions of
852
00:28:21,267 --> 00:28:22,466
people worldwide, and we're
853
00:28:22,467 --> 00:28:22,967
watching.
854
00:28:22,968 --> 00:28:24,299
And then scientology stepped in
855
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,000
with a big target on its chest.
856
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,566
A video came out of
857
00:28:27,567 --> 00:28:28,300
Tom Cruise.
858
00:28:28,301 --> 00:28:29,999
It was supposed to be, like, an
859
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,432
internal scientology video
860
00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:33,932
talking about secrets of
861
00:28:33,933 --> 00:28:35,766
scientology.
862
00:28:35,767 --> 00:28:37,932
Being a scientologist, when
863
00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:40,232
you drive past an accident, it's
864
00:28:40,233 --> 00:28:41,866
not like anyone else.
865
00:28:41,867 --> 00:28:43,432
As you drive past, you know you
866
00:28:43,433 --> 00:28:44,899
have to do something about it
867
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:46,566
because you know you're the only
868
00:28:46,567 --> 00:28:47,766
one that can really help.
869
00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:49,332
Talks about "you're the only"
870
00:28:49,333 --> 00:28:50,899
one who can stop, you know, bad
871
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,099
"things from happening."
872
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:53,932
And so, this is kind of wildly
873
00:28:53,933 --> 00:28:54,933
mocked online.
874
00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:57,600
It circulated like wildfire.
875
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:00,566
There's nothing
876
00:29:00,567 --> 00:29:03,666
parting a wave for me.
877
00:29:03,667 --> 00:29:05,166
It's just "whoo!"
878
00:29:05,167 --> 00:29:06,666
These people found it
879
00:29:06,667 --> 00:29:07,932
humorous and goofy.
880
00:29:07,933 --> 00:29:09,699
And the church of scientology
881
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:11,566
went into their legal mode, and
882
00:29:11,567 --> 00:29:13,332
they threatened websites with
883
00:29:13,333 --> 00:29:15,066
lawsuits if they didn't pull
884
00:29:15,067 --> 00:29:16,099
down the video.
885
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,566
Instantly, the scientologists
886
00:29:18,567 --> 00:29:20,266
post a dmca... digital
887
00:29:20,267 --> 00:29:21,800
millennium copyright act.
888
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,266
And this is a way that if you
889
00:29:23,267 --> 00:29:24,632
own content, you can go to video
890
00:29:24,633 --> 00:29:25,866
sites, upload sites and have
891
00:29:25,867 --> 00:29:27,232
your content pulled when someone
892
00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:28,200
uploads it illegally.
893
00:29:28,201 --> 00:29:29,566
Scientology's always at odds
894
00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:30,899
with the Internet, always trying
895
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,199
to legally bully people out of
896
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,266
fucking them over on the
897
00:29:33,267 --> 00:29:33,800
Internet.
898
00:29:33,801 --> 00:29:35,799
They always did that.
899
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,266
And then here they are trying
900
00:29:37,267 --> 00:29:38,566
again, but you know what?
901
00:29:38,567 --> 00:29:39,966
Anonymous saw that, and they
902
00:29:39,967 --> 00:29:42,332
said, "oh, you guys just fucked"
903
00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:43,566
around badly.
904
00:29:43,567 --> 00:29:44,899
Like, you're trying to censor
905
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:45,633
our Internet.
906
00:29:45,634 --> 00:29:47,066
You know, like, are you trying
907
00:29:47,067 --> 00:29:48,266
to take a joke away from
908
00:29:48,267 --> 00:29:48,867
anonymous?
909
00:29:48,868 --> 00:29:50,099
"Like, you don't do that."
910
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:51,432
What these people did, in
911
00:29:51,433 --> 00:29:52,799
this case... gregg housh and
912
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,599
these other people... was, they
913
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,166
decided, you know, "we can"
914
00:29:56,167 --> 00:29:57,899
probably harness anonymous in
915
00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,132
this case and target
916
00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:00,067
"scientology."
917
00:30:00,068 --> 00:30:01,866
A few anons, a few people on
918
00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:03,532
4chan posted "hey, we should"
919
00:30:03,533 --> 00:30:05,399
grab that video and post it on a
920
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,499
"few other sites."
921
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,766
And I was one of the people in
922
00:30:08,767 --> 00:30:10,966
that thread talking about it.
923
00:30:10,967 --> 00:30:12,099
We got the original source of
924
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:13,299
the video by reaching out to the
925
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:14,466
person behind the accounts and
926
00:30:14,467 --> 00:30:15,000
everything.
927
00:30:15,001 --> 00:30:16,066
We start posting it.
928
00:30:16,067 --> 00:30:17,499
The surprising thing was how
929
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:19,032
fast they were dmcaing them on
930
00:30:19,033 --> 00:30:19,700
every site.
931
00:30:19,701 --> 00:30:21,232
It looked to us like they must
932
00:30:21,233 --> 00:30:22,632
have direct contact with the
933
00:30:22,633 --> 00:30:23,899
lawyers and the team who
934
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:25,466
actually pulls videos at all of
935
00:30:25,467 --> 00:30:26,200
these sites.
936
00:30:26,201 --> 00:30:27,699
Like, it was... it was minutes
937
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:29,166
and these things were falling
938
00:30:29,167 --> 00:30:29,600
down.
939
00:30:29,601 --> 00:30:31,266
We're like, "holy crap."
940
00:30:31,267 --> 00:30:32,766
That's messed up."
941
00:30:32,767 --> 00:30:34,699
What followed was... this is
942
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:35,866
a term called the
943
00:30:35,867 --> 00:30:37,732
Barbra Streisand effect... and
944
00:30:37,733 --> 00:30:39,166
this video, as they're
945
00:30:39,167 --> 00:30:41,099
attempting to suppress it, went
946
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:41,867
everywhere.
947
00:30:41,868 --> 00:30:43,666
Like, everywhere you look on the
948
00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:45,466
Internet, you were gonna stumble
949
00:30:45,467 --> 00:30:46,499
upon this video.
950
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:48,099
Actually, gawker, the site
951
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:49,732
that I work for, was, I think,
952
00:30:49,733 --> 00:30:51,399
the first one to put it on the
953
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,999
website, and we got in a huge
954
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,632
legal battle with scientology,
955
00:30:54,633 --> 00:30:56,500
who wanted us to take it down.
956
00:31:02,467 --> 00:31:04,766
A guy joins the channel, and
957
00:31:04,767 --> 00:31:07,166
he says, "you should all look at"
958
00:31:07,167 --> 00:31:08,000
gawker."
959
00:31:08,001 --> 00:31:09,566
So, we go over to gawker, and
960
00:31:09,567 --> 00:31:10,799
the strangest thing has
961
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,433
happened.
962
00:31:11,434 --> 00:31:12,999
This big media company had the
963
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,666
video up on their front page and
964
00:31:14,667 --> 00:31:15,932
basically had a comment
965
00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:17,432
underneath of it that stated
966
00:31:17,433 --> 00:31:19,099
very clearly that they were sick
967
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,766
of this abuse that was going on.
968
00:31:20,767 --> 00:31:22,599
That made us think, "what have"
969
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,232
we got ourself mixed up in
970
00:31:24,233 --> 00:31:24,800
"here?"
971
00:31:24,801 --> 00:31:26,732
Scientology is an interesting
972
00:31:26,733 --> 00:31:28,599
target, because in some ways,
973
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,566
it's the perfect inversion of
974
00:31:30,567 --> 00:31:32,366
what geeks and hackers value.
975
00:31:32,367 --> 00:31:34,332
At so many different levels...
976
00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:36,199
Science fiction, intellectual
977
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,566
property, discourses of freedom,
978
00:31:39,567 --> 00:31:41,699
science and technology.
979
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,766
It's very proprietary.
980
00:31:43,767 --> 00:31:45,066
It's closed.
981
00:31:45,067 --> 00:31:47,399
And so, in some ways, if you had
982
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,232
something like a cultural
983
00:31:50,233 --> 00:31:51,966
inversion machine and you stuck
984
00:31:51,967 --> 00:31:53,566
geeks and hackers in there,
985
00:31:53,567 --> 00:31:55,332
you'd get something that looks a
986
00:31:55,333 --> 00:31:56,599
lot like scientology.
987
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,932
So it's quite offensive, and
988
00:31:57,933 --> 00:32:00,332
there's a real pleasure in
989
00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:02,266
attacking your perfect Nemesis.
990
00:32:02,267 --> 00:32:04,199
What really kind of dared us
991
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,199
and set us off about scientology
992
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,199
is specifically the treatment of
993
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,232
their critics.
994
00:32:09,233 --> 00:32:11,066
Anybody who says anything bad
995
00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:12,399
about scientology is
996
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,066
automatically some sort of
997
00:32:14,067 --> 00:32:15,899
criminal, some sort of crazy
998
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:17,399
person, a drug addict.
999
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,866
It's just that kind of
1000
00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:20,932
mentality, that kind of... like,
1001
00:32:20,933 --> 00:32:22,766
if anybody says anything bad
1002
00:32:22,767 --> 00:32:24,732
about you, we're gonna fuck you
1003
00:32:24,733 --> 00:32:26,732
over in the worst possible way.
1004
00:32:26,733 --> 00:32:28,632
It's just... it resonated, like,
1005
00:32:28,633 --> 00:32:30,432
this feeling of disgust within
1006
00:32:30,433 --> 00:32:30,833
us.
1007
00:32:30,834 --> 00:32:32,299
That was a big problem.
1008
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:34,032
That was the big problem, the
1009
00:32:34,033 --> 00:32:36,166
censorship aspect of it, the
1010
00:32:36,167 --> 00:32:38,266
audacity of this cult, this
1011
00:32:38,267 --> 00:32:40,332
creepy cult, to go into our
1012
00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,566
territory and tell us that we
1013
00:32:42,567 --> 00:32:43,932
can't post this?
1014
00:32:43,933 --> 00:32:45,166
No. Fuck them.
1015
00:32:45,167 --> 00:32:46,466
No. It's not gonna happen.
1016
00:32:46,467 --> 00:32:47,799
And people who knew what
1017
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,332
anonymous was to begin with were
1018
00:32:49,333 --> 00:32:50,300
like, "oh, my god."
1019
00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:51,699
Anonymous is gonna go to war
1020
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:52,600
with scientology?
1021
00:32:52,601 --> 00:32:53,699
This should be really
1022
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:54,467
"interesting."
1023
00:32:54,468 --> 00:32:55,732
Especially 'cause it's two
1024
00:32:55,733 --> 00:32:56,667
weird-ass groups.
1025
00:32:56,668 --> 00:32:58,066
I mean, you know, I've been an
1026
00:32:58,067 --> 00:32:59,399
anon for a long fucking time.
1027
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,699
I know anonymous is really
1028
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:01,200
strange.
1029
00:33:01,201 --> 00:33:03,066
Like, they're weird, and the
1030
00:33:03,067 --> 00:33:05,166
stuff we like is weird, and it's
1031
00:33:05,167 --> 00:33:07,099
really not mainstream at all.
1032
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,199
Now you have scientology... also
1033
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:09,967
really weird.
1034
00:33:09,968 --> 00:33:11,466
A lot of crazy shit goes down.
1035
00:33:11,467 --> 00:33:12,866
Anybody on the outside who's
1036
00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:14,432
seen this is going, "let's watch"
1037
00:33:14,433 --> 00:33:15,666
these two retards fight.
1038
00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:17,266
Like, both their pants are gonna
1039
00:33:17,267 --> 00:33:17,900
fall down.
1040
00:33:17,901 --> 00:33:19,299
They're gonna trip, and it's
1041
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:20,799
gonna hurt everybody, and it's
1042
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:21,899
"gonna be hysterical."
1043
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:23,432
And what happened was all these
1044
00:33:23,433 --> 00:33:24,932
people who were geared up, the
1045
00:33:24,933 --> 00:33:26,932
infrastructure was built to war
1046
00:33:26,933 --> 00:33:28,566
with other anons, said, "you"
1047
00:33:28,567 --> 00:33:29,832
know what... fuck it.
1048
00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:31,832
Everybody's gonna get together
1049
00:33:31,833 --> 00:33:33,566
and pound the fuck out of
1050
00:33:33,567 --> 00:33:34,599
"scientology."
1051
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,566
And then that's when 4chan
1052
00:33:36,567 --> 00:33:38,266
kind of reared into action,
1053
00:33:38,267 --> 00:33:39,899
really reared into action.
1054
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:41,732
And they started to troll the
1055
00:33:41,733 --> 00:33:43,199
church of scientology.
1056
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,799
And this took the form of
1057
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,432
pranking the dianetics hotline,
1058
00:33:46,433 --> 00:33:47,367
ordering pizzas.
1059
00:33:47,368 --> 00:33:48,999
Every fax number we get, and
1060
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,266
we're sharing them all.
1061
00:33:50,267 --> 00:33:51,832
You know, every number we get,
1062
00:33:51,833 --> 00:33:53,666
we'd send black pieces of paper
1063
00:33:53,667 --> 00:33:55,432
on a loop until it wastes all
1064
00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:56,200
their ink.
1065
00:33:56,201 --> 00:33:58,032
I go to call them on the phone,
1066
00:33:58,033 --> 00:34:00,932
and it's busy, busy, busy.
1067
00:34:00,933 --> 00:34:02,766
You know, and that's their main
1068
00:34:02,767 --> 00:34:04,632
fucking dianetics hotline, their
1069
00:34:04,633 --> 00:34:05,966
dianetics 800-number.
1070
00:34:05,967 --> 00:34:07,699
You can't get through because
1071
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:08,899
anons have completely fucking
1072
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:10,032
clogged it and just probably
1073
00:34:10,033 --> 00:34:10,900
saying stupid shit.
1074
00:34:10,901 --> 00:34:12,199
The whole idea was just you call
1075
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,366
them just to keep them on the
1076
00:34:13,367 --> 00:34:13,767
phone.
1077
00:34:13,768 --> 00:34:14,932
"What's an elrond?
1078
00:34:14,933 --> 00:34:16,599
How do I dianetics my face?"
1079
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,299
They were not expecting that,
1080
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:19,833
and they couldn't handle it.
1081
00:34:24,733 --> 00:34:26,632
I'm Brian mettenbrink.
1082
00:34:26,633 --> 00:34:28,432
I always liked anything
1083
00:34:28,433 --> 00:34:30,732
technical, mechanical, anything
1084
00:34:30,733 --> 00:34:32,132
sciencey, really.
1085
00:34:32,133 --> 00:34:33,732
Computers do what you tell them
1086
00:34:33,733 --> 00:34:34,100
to.
1087
00:34:34,101 --> 00:34:35,732
They don't all of a sudden start
1088
00:34:35,733 --> 00:34:36,766
doing weird stuff.
1089
00:34:36,767 --> 00:34:38,299
And if they do, it's probably
1090
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:39,799
your fault, and I always like
1091
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,700
that, you know.
1092
00:34:40,701 --> 00:34:42,632
They're perfect, really, in a
1093
00:34:42,633 --> 00:34:43,133
way.
1094
00:34:43,134 --> 00:34:45,299
I'd just gone to 4chan just on
1095
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,132
pure happenstance, and I saw a
1096
00:34:48,133 --> 00:34:49,399
post about the scientology
1097
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,832
thing, and I started looking up
1098
00:34:50,833 --> 00:34:51,300
stuff.
1099
00:34:51,301 --> 00:34:52,566
And I'm like, "oh, this is"
1100
00:34:52,567 --> 00:34:53,866
actually for a decent cause.
1101
00:34:53,867 --> 00:34:55,132
I think I'll, you know, do
1102
00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:56,133
"this."
1103
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,032
Anonymous members have
1104
00:34:58,033 --> 00:34:59,832
developed a distributed
1105
00:34:59,833 --> 00:35:01,332
denial-of-service attack tool
1106
00:35:01,333 --> 00:35:03,166
called low-orbit ion Cannon,
1107
00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:05,832
which is a name taken from a
1108
00:35:05,833 --> 00:35:07,166
computer game.
1109
00:35:07,167 --> 00:35:09,366
Low-orbit ion Cannon is
1110
00:35:09,367 --> 00:35:11,566
what's called an endgame weapon
1111
00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:12,733
in "red alert."
1112
00:35:12,933 --> 00:35:15,099
All you had to do was literally
1113
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:16,999
follow instructions step by
1114
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,600
step.
1115
00:35:17,601 --> 00:35:19,332
I downloaded a program that's
1116
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,032
free and legal for anyone to
1117
00:35:21,033 --> 00:35:23,366
download and use.
1118
00:35:23,367 --> 00:35:25,132
And I followed the instructions,
1119
00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:26,033
and I typed in
1120
00:35:26,034 --> 00:35:28,866
www.scientology.org, and I
1121
00:35:28,867 --> 00:35:29,932
pushed "go."
1122
00:35:29,933 --> 00:35:32,032
And what it does is it tells
1123
00:35:32,033 --> 00:35:34,399
scientology.org, in this case...
1124
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,432
It tells them to send their
1125
00:35:36,433 --> 00:35:38,732
website to my computer about, I
1126
00:35:38,733 --> 00:35:40,632
think, it was 800,000 times in a
1127
00:35:40,633 --> 00:35:41,300
weekend.
1128
00:35:41,301 --> 00:35:43,099
And I'm pretty sure I probably
1129
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:44,932
took it down myself a couple of
1130
00:35:44,933 --> 00:35:45,567
times.
1131
00:35:45,568 --> 00:35:48,032
This tool is low-orbit ion
1132
00:35:48,033 --> 00:35:50,766
Cannon, sometimes referred to as
1133
00:35:50,767 --> 00:35:51,567
"loic."
1134
00:35:51,568 --> 00:35:53,632
I am actually not breaking any
1135
00:35:53,633 --> 00:35:55,832
laws by using this tool against
1136
00:35:55,833 --> 00:35:58,666
my own computer, 127.0.0.1,
1137
00:35:58,667 --> 00:36:00,799
which is a non-routable address.
1138
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,599
But, of course, if I were to
1139
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,666
have attacked one of those other
1140
00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:06,566
bigger sites out there, I would
1141
00:36:06,567 --> 00:36:07,932
have severely been breaking the
1142
00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:09,399
law and would have been doing it
1143
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,799
in a way that was quite easy to
1144
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,233
track.
1145
00:36:11,234 --> 00:36:12,632
What you do is, you put in the
1146
00:36:12,633 --> 00:36:13,033
site.
1147
00:36:13,034 --> 00:36:14,166
You see that the I.P. Is
1148
00:36:14,167 --> 00:36:14,700
correct.
1149
00:36:14,701 --> 00:36:15,999
You make sure that all these
1150
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,832
settings are good, and you hit
1151
00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:18,833
the button.
1152
00:36:18,833 --> 00:36:19,833
And off it goes.
1153
00:36:19,834 --> 00:36:21,566
It felt like you were making
1154
00:36:21,567 --> 00:36:23,899
a difference, you know, just you
1155
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:25,966
yourself and you didn't even
1156
00:36:25,967 --> 00:36:28,066
have to leave your home, you
1157
00:36:28,067 --> 00:36:29,067
know?
1158
00:36:29,068 --> 00:36:30,666
You just sat at your computer
1159
00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:32,266
and followed instructions and
1160
00:36:32,267 --> 00:36:33,832
stood up for what you believe
1161
00:36:33,833 --> 00:36:34,833
in, so to speak.
1162
00:36:34,834 --> 00:36:36,566
You made your say in the world,
1163
00:36:36,567 --> 00:36:37,966
and hopefully it turns out
1164
00:36:37,967 --> 00:36:38,867
better for it.
1165
00:36:38,868 --> 00:36:40,566
And like I said, we need to
1166
00:36:40,567 --> 00:36:41,333
make a video.
1167
00:36:41,334 --> 00:36:43,033
We have to make a video.
1168
00:36:43,233 --> 00:36:44,799
Hello, leaders of
1169
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,866
scientology.
1170
00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:47,266
We are anonymous.
1171
00:36:47,267 --> 00:36:49,166
When the video came out on
1172
00:36:49,167 --> 00:36:51,066
January 21st, that was one of
1173
00:36:51,067 --> 00:36:52,999
the first times that anonymous
1174
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,832
as a culture started referring
1175
00:36:56,833 --> 00:36:58,732
to itself as "anonymous," as a
1176
00:36:58,733 --> 00:37:00,632
movement and declared that it
1177
00:37:00,633 --> 00:37:02,332
was going to take down and
1178
00:37:02,333 --> 00:37:03,732
destroy the church of
1179
00:37:03,733 --> 00:37:04,767
scientology.
1180
00:37:04,967 --> 00:37:06,199
That video probably changed
1181
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:06,833
everything.
1182
00:37:06,834 --> 00:37:08,466
Knowledge is free.
1183
00:37:08,467 --> 00:37:10,766
We are anonymous. We are legion.
1184
00:37:10,767 --> 00:37:12,166
We do not forgive.
1185
00:37:12,167 --> 00:37:14,232
We do not forget. Expect us.
1186
00:37:14,233 --> 00:37:15,332
It basically looked like if a
1187
00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:16,399
computer was going to tell you
1188
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,466
that he was gonna beat the shit
1189
00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:18,433
out of you, this is what it
1190
00:37:18,433 --> 00:37:19,067
would look like.
1191
00:37:19,068 --> 00:37:20,832
That one video, it really
1192
00:37:20,833 --> 00:37:22,599
galvanized that moment, that
1193
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,599
moment of innovation that that's
1194
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,332
exactly... like, with that
1195
00:37:27,333 --> 00:37:29,199
video, Internet activism, as
1196
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,999
it's known today, was born.
1197
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,866
What the video was saying
1198
00:37:32,867 --> 00:37:34,066
was, "it's over."
1199
00:37:34,067 --> 00:37:36,032
You're not going to be able to
1200
00:37:36,033 --> 00:37:37,566
follow people back to their
1201
00:37:37,567 --> 00:37:38,999
house anymore with impunity.
1202
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,599
You're not going to be able to
1203
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,132
just issue a cease-and-desist
1204
00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:43,832
letter to any reporter who wants
1205
00:37:43,833 --> 00:37:45,332
to write some shit about you
1206
00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:46,932
that you don't like, you know.
1207
00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:48,266
That's done with.
1208
00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:49,267
Every time you do that,
1209
00:37:49,268 --> 00:37:50,366
anonymous is gonna hit you
1210
00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:50,833
"harder."
1211
00:37:50,834 --> 00:37:51,999
So, we made a video named
1212
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,700
"call to arms."
1213
00:37:52,701 --> 00:37:53,832
It said "we're going to the"
1214
00:37:53,833 --> 00:37:54,300
streets.
1215
00:37:54,301 --> 00:37:55,566
Every major city of the world
1216
00:37:55,567 --> 00:37:57,033
"has a scientology building."
1217
00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:58,966
Be very wary of the 10th of
1218
00:37:58,967 --> 00:37:59,733
February.
1219
00:37:59,734 --> 00:38:01,566
Anonymous invites you to join us
1220
00:38:01,567 --> 00:38:03,100
in an act of solidarity.
1221
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,232
Anonymous invites you to take up
1222
00:38:05,233 --> 00:38:06,999
the banner of free speech, of
1223
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,666
human rights, of family and
1224
00:38:08,667 --> 00:38:09,333
freedom.
1225
00:38:09,334 --> 00:38:11,099
Join us in protest outside of
1226
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:12,932
scientology centers worldwide.
1227
00:38:12,933 --> 00:38:14,432
And you just see this
1228
00:38:14,433 --> 00:38:15,599
consensus forming that it's
1229
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,400
going to happen.
1230
00:38:16,401 --> 00:38:17,699
So we made the third video, the
1231
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:18,567
"code of conduct."
1232
00:38:18,567 --> 00:38:19,567
"Don't bring weapons."
1233
00:38:19,567 --> 00:38:20,367
Dress accordingly.
1234
00:38:20,368 --> 00:38:21,566
Cover your faces 'cause they
1235
00:38:21,567 --> 00:38:22,832
will try and find out who you
1236
00:38:22,833 --> 00:38:24,700
"are and screw with your life."
1237
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,932
Rule number 17... cover your
1238
00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:27,567
face.
1239
00:38:27,568 --> 00:38:29,032
This will prevent your
1240
00:38:29,033 --> 00:38:31,099
identification from videos taken
1241
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,067
by hostiles.
1242
00:38:32,068 --> 00:38:34,132
Scientology has a history of
1243
00:38:34,133 --> 00:38:36,099
harassing, stalking, and just
1244
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,999
doing horrible things to its
1245
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,733
critics.
1246
00:38:38,734 --> 00:38:40,766
So people needed a way to hide
1247
00:38:40,767 --> 00:38:42,032
their identities.
1248
00:38:42,033 --> 00:38:42,933
A lot of people had very
1249
00:38:42,933 --> 00:38:43,633
legitimate fears.
1250
00:38:43,634 --> 00:38:44,766
They don't want to be followed
1251
00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:45,067
home.
1252
00:38:45,068 --> 00:38:46,166
They don't want to be stalked.
1253
00:38:46,167 --> 00:38:47,199
They don't want to put their
1254
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,200
families and themselves in
1255
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:48,567
danger.
1256
00:38:48,568 --> 00:38:49,632
Everyone was going, "well",
1257
00:38:49,633 --> 00:38:50,567
we're gonna wear a mask.
1258
00:38:50,568 --> 00:38:51,599
What's the only fucking mask
1259
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,699
that we already know or have a
1260
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:53,233
"joke about?"
1261
00:38:53,234 --> 00:38:54,332
And it's the guy Fawkes mask.
1262
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:55,000
You see the movie
1263
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,700
"v for vendetta."
1264
00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:56,866
You know, the ending scene where
1265
00:38:56,867 --> 00:38:57,733
everyone's wearing the
1266
00:38:57,734 --> 00:38:59,699
guy Fawkes mask, that is very
1267
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:01,599
reminiscent of what anonymous
1268
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:07,633
thinks anonymous is.
1269
00:39:07,833 --> 00:39:11,332
We wanted to represent anonymity
1270
00:39:11,333 --> 00:39:13,266
in some way when it moved into
1271
00:39:13,267 --> 00:39:14,100
real life.
1272
00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:16,132
I think that the guy Fawkes mask
1273
00:39:16,133 --> 00:39:17,899
was one of the most natural
1274
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:19,099
things to happen.
1275
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,032
It is the idea that none of us
1276
00:39:21,033 --> 00:39:22,199
are as cruel as all of us.
1277
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,699
You have this massive crowd of
1278
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:27,666
people who are anonymous that is
1279
00:39:27,667 --> 00:39:29,566
going to fight against a bigger
1280
00:39:29,567 --> 00:39:30,367
thing and win.
1281
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,632
Even after watching the
1282
00:39:31,633 --> 00:39:32,999
videos, like, "yeah, this is"
1283
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,466
great, but who's actually gonna
1284
00:39:34,467 --> 00:39:34,933
do it?
1285
00:39:34,934 --> 00:39:35,966
Who's gonna step up?
1286
00:39:35,967 --> 00:39:37,366
Are people actually gonna get
1287
00:39:37,367 --> 00:39:38,399
"out of their house?"
1288
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,232
Like... and I guess we were
1289
00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:41,399
really affected by the
1290
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,566
stereotype of that whole
1291
00:39:43,567 --> 00:39:45,332
community, being Internet nerds.
1292
00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:46,832
They're too afraid to leave
1293
00:39:46,833 --> 00:39:48,132
their moms' basements.
1294
00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:50,066
I figured maybe 15 nerds from
1295
00:39:50,067 --> 00:39:52,132
every city somewhere might show
1296
00:39:52,133 --> 00:39:53,266
up and wear their masks at a
1297
00:39:53,267 --> 00:39:54,466
building for awhile and leave.
1298
00:39:54,467 --> 00:39:55,732
No one thought that they were
1299
00:39:55,733 --> 00:39:56,933
gonna come out.
1300
00:39:57,133 --> 00:39:59,566
This is me on the way there.
1301
00:39:59,567 --> 00:40:00,632
I haven't slept.
1302
00:40:00,633 --> 00:40:02,167
I'm very fucking tired.
1303
00:40:02,367 --> 00:40:04,099
And I remember going to the park
1304
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:05,499
that day, and it's really
1305
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,099
fucking early in the morning,
1306
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:09,266
which I thought was a bad idea.
1307
00:40:09,267 --> 00:40:10,532
And I'm smoking a cigarette, and
1308
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:11,732
I'm looking around like, "where"
1309
00:40:11,733 --> 00:40:12,667
the fuck is everybody?
1310
00:40:12,668 --> 00:40:14,832
"Like, there's nobody here."
1311
00:40:14,833 --> 00:40:16,999
So, here I am sitting in
1312
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,666
Bryant park.
1313
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:21,166
Waiting for the other anons to
1314
00:40:21,167 --> 00:40:21,700
show up.
1315
00:40:21,701 --> 00:40:23,199
I remember thinking like, "oh",
1316
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:23,633
fuck.
1317
00:40:23,634 --> 00:40:25,199
Like, am I gonna be the only one
1318
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,900
in the park?
1319
00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:27,399
Am I gonna walk to scientology
1320
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,666
with fucking six or seven
1321
00:40:28,667 --> 00:40:30,132
people, which totally defeats
1322
00:40:30,133 --> 00:40:31,432
the entire purpose of this
1323
00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:32,999
because now they could single me
1324
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,433
"out?"
1325
00:40:33,434 --> 00:40:34,766
You know, then I get up, and I
1326
00:40:34,767 --> 00:40:36,132
start walking around, and I see
1327
00:40:36,133 --> 00:40:37,499
there's a lot of green balloons
1328
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:38,732
over there for some reason.
1329
00:40:38,733 --> 00:40:41,732
On the other side of the park,
1330
00:40:41,733 --> 00:40:43,466
there was like fucking 200
1331
00:40:43,467 --> 00:40:44,133
people.
1332
00:40:44,134 --> 00:40:45,832
There was guy Fawkes masks
1333
00:40:45,833 --> 00:40:47,832
everywhere, and I'm like, "holy"
1334
00:40:47,833 --> 00:40:51,332
shit, this is huge!"
1335
00:40:51,333 --> 00:40:54,666
There's a fucking lot of us.
1336
00:40:54,667 --> 00:40:56,166
That's pretty good.
1337
00:40:56,167 --> 00:40:57,699
I had no idea how many anons
1338
00:40:57,700 --> 00:40:59,166
there were until we started
1339
00:40:59,167 --> 00:41:00,232
moving.
1340
00:41:00,233 --> 00:41:01,566
Ha ha.
1341
00:41:01,567 --> 00:41:06,566
And it just fucking got bigger.
1342
00:41:06,567 --> 00:41:08,366
I remember walking through.
1343
00:41:08,367 --> 00:41:10,432
Times Square, and everybody in.
1344
00:41:10,433 --> 00:41:12,166
Times Square was an anon.
1345
00:41:12,167 --> 00:41:13,732
Like, you know, this is, like, a
1346
00:41:13,733 --> 00:41:15,232
fucking 1,000-person per, like,
1347
00:41:15,233 --> 00:41:16,566
fucking minute foot-traffic
1348
00:41:16,567 --> 00:41:17,766
area, and everywhere I'm
1349
00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:19,332
looking, I'm seeing fucking anon
1350
00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:20,566
symbols.
1351
00:41:20,567 --> 00:41:22,332
It was fucking wild.
1352
00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:23,867
It was really wild.
1353
00:41:29,167 --> 00:41:30,666
[ Crowd chanting
1354
00:41:30,667 --> 00:41:34,133
[ "don't drink the kool-aid" ]
1355
00:41:43,333 --> 00:41:46,366
Whoo!
1356
00:41:46,367 --> 00:41:47,367
Hell, yeah!
1357
00:41:47,368 --> 00:41:48,699
So we start getting numbers
1358
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:50,866
in, and Sydney.
1359
00:41:50,867 --> 00:41:52,199
We're thinking that it's going
1360
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,366
to be 50 people.
1361
00:41:54,367 --> 00:41:55,966
And before 10:00 A.M., before
1362
00:41:55,967 --> 00:41:57,566
even time, there's already 50
1363
00:41:57,567 --> 00:41:59,032
people there, and there are
1364
00:41:59,033 --> 00:42:00,799
still streams of people walking
1365
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,799
down the streets.
1366
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,966
A couple hours into it, you
1367
00:42:03,967 --> 00:42:05,266
know, 'cause I didn't go to bed
1368
00:42:05,267 --> 00:42:06,566
until 1:00 in the morning, you
1369
00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:07,832
know, you're looking at Sydney
1370
00:42:07,833 --> 00:42:10,399
as, "wow, there's 250 people in"
1371
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,267
Sydney.
1372
00:42:11,268 --> 00:42:12,832
The cops are estimating higher
1373
00:42:12,833 --> 00:42:14,299
than that for their reports.
1374
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:15,966
What just happened?
1375
00:42:15,967 --> 00:42:18,166
Adelaide, Perth, and Melbourne
1376
00:42:18,167 --> 00:42:19,033
happened.
1377
00:42:19,034 --> 00:42:20,899
And, you know, over 200 at each
1378
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:21,567
of them.
1379
00:42:21,568 --> 00:42:23,332
We nearly broke 1,000 leaving
1380
00:42:23,333 --> 00:42:24,832
Australia.
1381
00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:26,132
Now, the next protest was.
1382
00:42:26,133 --> 00:42:27,566
Tel Aviv, which had actually
1383
00:42:27,567 --> 00:42:28,999
gotten its first scientology
1384
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,399
building right before this.
1385
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,566
There were Palestinians and
1386
00:42:31,567 --> 00:42:32,732
Israelis at this protest both
1387
00:42:32,733 --> 00:42:33,633
holding their flags.
1388
00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:34,932
And at one point, they actually
1389
00:42:34,933 --> 00:42:36,199
switched flags and held up each
1390
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,299
other's flags and whatnot.
1391
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:38,300
It was awesome to see.
1392
00:42:38,301 --> 00:42:39,566
I call our guy in London,
1393
00:42:39,567 --> 00:42:40,732
briternon, and I say, "hey",
1394
00:42:40,733 --> 00:42:41,866
what's going on there?"
1395
00:42:41,867 --> 00:42:43,299
And he's like, "did you just get"
1396
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:44,000
out of bed?"
1397
00:42:44,001 --> 00:42:45,332
I said, "yeah, I haven't even"
1398
00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:46,432
turned on the computer.
1399
00:42:46,433 --> 00:42:47,766
"I just figured I'd call you."
1400
00:42:47,767 --> 00:42:49,399
And he said, "we got 600 people"
1401
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,032
and the cops are really, really
1402
00:42:51,033 --> 00:42:53,032
"mad at me."
1403
00:42:53,033 --> 00:42:54,399
All the major cities were
1404
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,832
having hundreds of people come
1405
00:42:55,833 --> 00:42:56,200
out.
1406
00:42:56,201 --> 00:42:58,032
It was massive.
1407
00:42:58,033 --> 00:43:02,099
Clearwater had like 300 people.
1408
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,832
I don't think anyone beat out.
1409
00:43:03,833 --> 00:43:04,233
I.A.
1410
00:43:04,234 --> 00:43:05,732
I think I.A. had over 1,000
1411
00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:10,232
people.
1412
00:43:10,233 --> 00:43:11,932
The thing that happened was
1413
00:43:11,933 --> 00:43:13,666
something completely different.
1414
00:43:13,667 --> 00:43:15,399
Hundreds and hundreds of people
1415
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,566
from every city just swarmed the
1416
00:43:18,567 --> 00:43:20,566
streets.
1417
00:43:20,567 --> 00:43:22,066
It was kind of overwhelming, a
1418
00:43:22,067 --> 00:43:23,599
little even scary, but scary in
1419
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:24,300
a good way.
1420
00:43:24,301 --> 00:43:25,666
Soon, you know, we're at
1421
00:43:25,667 --> 00:43:27,032
around the 10,000 Mark, you
1422
00:43:27,033 --> 00:43:28,466
know, and we were joking the
1423
00:43:28,467 --> 00:43:29,866
whole time "over 9,000," you
1424
00:43:29,867 --> 00:43:31,166
know, one of those memes.
1425
00:43:31,167 --> 00:43:32,566
It was too surreal.
1426
00:43:32,567 --> 00:43:34,567
It was not believable.
1427
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:37,732
And you go by what name?
1428
00:43:37,733 --> 00:43:40,232
We are anonymous.
1429
00:43:40,233 --> 00:43:41,599
It was very empowering,
1430
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,166
especially after people saw the
1431
00:43:43,167 --> 00:43:44,766
thousands of people showing up.
1432
00:43:44,767 --> 00:43:45,567
This was it.
1433
00:43:45,568 --> 00:43:46,766
We owned the world at that
1434
00:43:46,767 --> 00:43:47,233
point.
1435
00:43:47,234 --> 00:43:48,632
You've got lolcats and you've
1436
00:43:48,633 --> 00:43:49,567
got rickrolling.
1437
00:43:49,568 --> 00:43:50,799
You've got all these other
1438
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,232
things that anonymous has been
1439
00:43:52,233 --> 00:43:52,933
involved in.
1440
00:43:52,934 --> 00:43:55,066
Then, you know, take us a month
1441
00:43:55,067 --> 00:43:56,932
later and, you know, 10,000
1442
00:43:56,933 --> 00:43:58,432
people were just in the streets
1443
00:43:58,433 --> 00:44:00,566
and in every major country in
1444
00:44:00,567 --> 00:44:02,566
the world in every major city
1445
00:44:02,567 --> 00:44:04,599
in the world and what the hell
1446
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,732
just happened?
1447
00:44:05,733 --> 00:44:07,299
What changed, you know?
1448
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:08,866
Who flipped the switch?
1449
00:44:08,867 --> 00:44:10,866
The world looked very different
1450
00:44:10,867 --> 00:44:12,266
to me at that point.
1451
00:44:12,267 --> 00:44:13,932
We all met each other.
1452
00:44:13,933 --> 00:44:15,966
The idea of an anon is you're
1453
00:44:15,967 --> 00:44:18,032
fucking alone until you get to
1454
00:44:18,033 --> 00:44:20,199
4chan, you know, and then these
1455
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,399
people think like you, you know.
1456
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,166
Then all of a sudden, you're not
1457
00:44:24,167 --> 00:44:24,700
alone.
1458
00:44:24,701 --> 00:44:27,399
You are with fucking 500 others,
1459
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,400
you know.
1460
00:44:28,401 --> 00:44:30,566
They all know the same jokes as
1461
00:44:30,567 --> 00:44:31,100
you.
1462
00:44:31,101 --> 00:44:33,466
They all have... clearly have
1463
00:44:33,467 --> 00:44:35,566
similar interests as you.
1464
00:44:35,567 --> 00:44:38,032
Here's your culture.
1465
00:44:38,033 --> 00:44:40,199
You meet your own people
1466
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,900
finally.
1467
00:44:40,901 --> 00:44:42,032
[ Crowd chanting
1468
00:44:42,033 --> 00:44:43,799
[ "don't drink the kool-aid" ]
1469
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,399
Immediately, you felt like
1470
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,432
you were at home.
1471
00:44:46,433 --> 00:44:48,132
If you were an anon, you were at
1472
00:44:48,133 --> 00:44:48,600
home.
1473
00:44:48,601 --> 00:44:50,332
We all, like, spent years in the
1474
00:44:50,333 --> 00:44:52,032
same place, looking at the same
1475
00:44:52,033 --> 00:44:53,666
pictures, laughing at the same
1476
00:44:53,667 --> 00:44:55,666
jokes, and we pretty much were
1477
00:44:55,667 --> 00:44:57,099
already friends even though
1478
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:58,366
we've never, every met.
1479
00:44:58,367 --> 00:45:01,633
It was very happy.
1480
00:45:03,833 --> 00:45:05,332
It's perhaps a little
1481
00:45:05,333 --> 00:45:06,366
surprising.
1482
00:45:06,367 --> 00:45:08,299
It's not just preteens or
1483
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:09,267
teenagers.
1484
00:45:09,268 --> 00:45:11,566
There's a far more even mix of
1485
00:45:11,567 --> 00:45:13,899
males and females than you would
1486
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,366
imagine otherwise.
1487
00:45:15,367 --> 00:45:16,899
Everyone always figured
1488
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:18,599
anonymous was a very male, you
1489
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,366
know, thing, but it wasn't like
1490
00:45:20,367 --> 00:45:21,866
that at all... at all.
1491
00:45:21,867 --> 00:45:23,566
There's some fucking hot girls
1492
00:45:23,567 --> 00:45:24,433
come through.
1493
00:45:24,434 --> 00:45:26,032
Like, there's some really...
1494
00:45:26,033 --> 00:45:28,699
Like, you'd be surprised.
1495
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:29,999
And, you know, there were a
1496
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,232
lot of... a lot of, you know,
1497
00:45:31,233 --> 00:45:32,599
these so-called guys who weren't
1498
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:33,300
socially good.
1499
00:45:33,301 --> 00:45:34,566
They were very awkward.
1500
00:45:34,567 --> 00:45:35,966
They still lived at home at
1501
00:45:35,967 --> 00:45:37,566
23... half of them are virgins.
1502
00:45:37,567 --> 00:45:39,832
And I'll tell you the amount of
1503
00:45:39,833 --> 00:45:42,066
those people who got laid from
1504
00:45:42,067 --> 00:45:44,266
these protests happening is in
1505
00:45:44,267 --> 00:45:46,566
the thousands... that would not
1506
00:45:46,567 --> 00:45:48,432
have, for years probably.
1507
00:45:48,433 --> 00:45:50,099
And that's why those protests
1508
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,132
were so important.
1509
00:45:51,133 --> 00:45:52,766
It was a chance to finally meet
1510
00:45:52,767 --> 00:45:53,932
other people that were
1511
00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:55,399
previously anonymous and
1512
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,099
unknown, and hence it was the
1513
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:58,766
moment of the end of their
1514
00:45:58,767 --> 00:45:59,767
anonymity.
1515
00:46:04,067 --> 00:46:06,199
Scientology... they kind of
1516
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,999
fought back, so to speak.
1517
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,832
They posted stuff online.
1518
00:46:09,833 --> 00:46:11,366
While claiming they are
1519
00:46:11,367 --> 00:46:12,999
peaceful, in less than three
1520
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,166
weeks, anonymous members made or
1521
00:46:15,167 --> 00:46:19,032
encouraged 8,139 harassing or
1522
00:46:19,033 --> 00:46:22,799
threatening phone calls, 3.6
1523
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,666
million malicious e-mails, 141
1524
00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:29,432
million hits against church
1525
00:46:29,433 --> 00:46:32,566
websites, 10 acts of vandalism,
1526
00:46:32,567 --> 00:46:35,332
22 bomb threats, and 8 death
1527
00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:37,999
threats against members and
1528
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,166
officials of the church of
1529
00:46:39,167 --> 00:46:42,033
scientology.
1530
00:46:42,233 --> 00:46:44,399
They wanted to find me.
1531
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,732
They did. They hired p.I.S.
1532
00:46:46,733 --> 00:46:48,166
They started taking pictures
1533
00:46:48,167 --> 00:46:49,566
of us, threatening to sue us.
1534
00:46:49,567 --> 00:46:51,299
People were getting followed.
1535
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:52,932
People were getting followed
1536
00:46:52,933 --> 00:46:53,400
home.
1537
00:46:53,401 --> 00:46:54,966
It'd be a regular thing for
1538
00:46:54,967 --> 00:46:56,799
someone to say, "oh, I had to..."
1539
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,399
I had to lose someone on the
1540
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,000
subway.
1541
00:46:59,001 --> 00:47:00,399
I saw someone from the
1542
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,999
scientology center, and they
1543
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,332
"were following me."
1544
00:47:03,333 --> 00:47:05,232
They would follow us to our
1545
00:47:05,233 --> 00:47:07,099
houses, try to intimidate us,
1546
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:08,799
send us cease-and-desist
1547
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,567
letters.
1548
00:47:09,568 --> 00:47:11,566
These old tactics that they used
1549
00:47:11,567 --> 00:47:13,566
to fight the activism they faced
1550
00:47:13,567 --> 00:47:15,132
before the Internet were
1551
00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:17,032
completely ineffective against
1552
00:47:17,033 --> 00:47:18,866
chanology.
1553
00:47:18,867 --> 00:47:20,166
You know, most of the people
1554
00:47:20,167 --> 00:47:21,266
who received them actually
1555
00:47:21,267 --> 00:47:22,432
framed them and put them on
1556
00:47:22,433 --> 00:47:23,000
their wall.
1557
00:47:23,001 --> 00:47:24,132
I've seen multiple of them
1558
00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:25,266
framed and put on the wall.
1559
00:47:25,267 --> 00:47:26,432
Mine's sitting in my closet
1560
00:47:26,433 --> 00:47:30,599
somewhere in a box.
1561
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,866
I did the whole low-orbit ion
1562
00:47:32,867 --> 00:47:35,066
Cannon stuff, and then I pretty
1563
00:47:35,067 --> 00:47:37,066
much just went about my life
1564
00:47:37,067 --> 00:47:40,399
after that for probably, let's
1565
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,232
see, I think it's six months.
1566
00:47:42,233 --> 00:47:43,799
And then the FBI showed up here
1567
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,266
at my parents' house, where I
1568
00:47:45,267 --> 00:47:47,266
wasn't, looking for me.
1569
00:47:47,267 --> 00:47:48,599
Two men got out of the car,
1570
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,599
and took their jackets off, and
1571
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,266
laid their guns on the front
1572
00:47:56,267 --> 00:48:00,232
seat, and came up to ask us if
1573
00:48:00,233 --> 00:48:03,999
Brian was home, and explained
1574
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,332
that they were the FBI and they
1575
00:48:05,333 --> 00:48:06,399
were looking for Brian.
1576
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,066
And I've never been so scared.
1577
00:48:09,067 --> 00:48:10,666
And then my parents directed
1578
00:48:10,667 --> 00:48:12,232
them to where I was living, and
1579
00:48:12,233 --> 00:48:13,766
they showed up and said, "I'd"
1580
00:48:13,767 --> 00:48:14,999
like to have a friendly
1581
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,232
"conversation with you."
1582
00:48:16,233 --> 00:48:17,699
And I had the worst friendly
1583
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:18,966
conversation of my life.
1584
00:48:18,967 --> 00:48:20,766
We sat down at my dining-room
1585
00:48:20,767 --> 00:48:22,566
table, and they just started
1586
00:48:22,567 --> 00:48:23,832
asking me questions.
1587
00:48:23,833 --> 00:48:25,599
And I'm trying to figure out
1588
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,466
what they're here for 'cause I
1589
00:48:27,467 --> 00:48:28,400
have no idea.
1590
00:48:28,401 --> 00:48:30,099
And they eventually started
1591
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:31,699
asking me questions about
1592
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:32,567
anonymous.
1593
00:48:32,568 --> 00:48:33,832
I was scared to death.
1594
00:48:33,833 --> 00:48:37,666
I mean, my son is... Is looking
1595
00:48:37,667 --> 00:48:40,899
at five years in jail and a
1596
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:42,799
$100,000 fine.
1597
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,132
You know, I had no idea that
1598
00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:45,832
it was any sort of... this big
1599
00:48:45,833 --> 00:48:47,466
of a crime to do what I did.
1600
00:48:47,467 --> 00:48:49,566
I thought it was the kind of
1601
00:48:49,567 --> 00:48:51,632
"slap on a wrist," $200-fine
1602
00:48:51,633 --> 00:48:53,299
type crime.
1603
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,966
So, I actually told them that I
1604
00:48:55,967 --> 00:48:58,832
did it at that point.
1605
00:48:58,833 --> 00:49:02,099
Then it went from there.
1606
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:03,932
Yeah.
1607
00:49:03,933 --> 00:49:06,199
As he explained it to me at
1608
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,399
the time, it was like pushing
1609
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,799
the refresh button over and over
1610
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,332
and over and over 800,000 times.
1611
00:49:14,333 --> 00:49:17,799
And it seems like such a little
1612
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,467
thing.
1613
00:49:18,468 --> 00:49:20,199
I did the second-most damage
1614
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,932
is what scientology said I did.
1615
00:49:21,933 --> 00:49:23,566
I sent the second-most out of
1616
00:49:23,567 --> 00:49:25,266
everybody so I got the maximum
1617
00:49:25,267 --> 00:49:26,966
for my category, which was one
1618
00:49:26,967 --> 00:49:28,566
year in prison and one year
1619
00:49:28,567 --> 00:49:33,166
supervised release.
1620
00:49:33,167 --> 00:49:34,832
I think... you know, the way I
1621
00:49:34,833 --> 00:49:36,832
feel is, for what I did... was
1622
00:49:36,833 --> 00:49:40,166
one of the most, like, lopsided
1623
00:49:40,167 --> 00:49:41,999
punishments I've ever, like,
1624
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,332
read about or heard of.
1625
00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:47,232
Yeah, I think it's ridiculous,
1626
00:49:47,233 --> 00:49:48,999
especially the year supervised
1627
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,699
release where I can't touch a
1628
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:51,966
computer for a year.
1629
00:49:51,967 --> 00:49:53,432
I'm not sure what that's
1630
00:49:53,433 --> 00:49:55,199
supposed to solve, except make
1631
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,699
my, like, life difficult.
1632
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:58,366
So, that computer behind me,
1633
00:49:58,367 --> 00:50:00,132
back there, I could go back to
1634
00:50:00,133 --> 00:50:01,666
prison if I went over and
1635
00:50:01,667 --> 00:50:03,266
touched it, because I can't
1636
00:50:03,267 --> 00:50:04,599
knowingly associate with members
1637
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,433
of anonymous.
1638
00:50:05,434 --> 00:50:07,132
They just made a big deal about
1639
00:50:07,133 --> 00:50:08,699
scientology as a religion and
1640
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:10,432
that this is America and you can
1641
00:50:10,433 --> 00:50:11,599
believe in whatever you want to
1642
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,300
believe.
1643
00:50:12,301 --> 00:50:14,099
I'm pretty sure they actually
1644
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:15,899
compared me to, like, the kkk
1645
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:17,732
and the Nazis and stuff in the
1646
00:50:17,733 --> 00:50:18,533
courtroom.
1647
00:50:18,534 --> 00:50:20,132
Yeah, it's... it's a
1648
00:50:20,133 --> 00:50:21,932
completely different issue.
1649
00:50:21,933 --> 00:50:23,932
I'm very proud of what he did.
1650
00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:25,432
He stood up for what he believed
1651
00:50:25,433 --> 00:50:28,099
in, but that was never, ever
1652
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,766
mentioned.
1653
00:50:30,767 --> 00:50:33,499
I never would even dream of
1654
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,932
hurting anybody, you know.
1655
00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:38,800
It's just... Not me.
1656
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,199
Prior to anonymous, critics
1657
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,366
of the church still had to be
1658
00:50:47,367 --> 00:50:49,499
very, very careful because of
1659
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:51,566
the aggressive lawsuits that
1660
00:50:51,567 --> 00:50:53,899
were launched against academics,
1661
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:56,199
journalists, and other critics.
1662
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,332
I would say that era is over.
1663
00:50:58,333 --> 00:51:00,432
And anonymous more than any
1664
00:51:00,433 --> 00:51:02,566
other sort of intervention is
1665
00:51:02,567 --> 00:51:04,699
probably responsible for that
1666
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:05,467
change.
1667
00:51:05,468 --> 00:51:07,032
This actually caused a decent
1668
00:51:07,033 --> 00:51:08,000
rift in anonymous.
1669
00:51:08,001 --> 00:51:09,399
There was one big group...
1670
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,966
Significant group of people, who
1671
00:51:10,967 --> 00:51:12,266
would say, "this chanology"
1672
00:51:12,267 --> 00:51:13,732
stuff, it's cancer, it's awful,
1673
00:51:13,733 --> 00:51:15,066
it's bad, it's... it's just
1674
00:51:15,067 --> 00:51:16,632
bringing attention to us that we
1675
00:51:16,633 --> 00:51:17,333
"don't want."
1676
00:51:17,334 --> 00:51:19,332
The trolling isn't happening.
1677
00:51:19,333 --> 00:51:21,232
We aren't getting our jollies.
1678
00:51:21,233 --> 00:51:22,999
Like, now this is all really
1679
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,832
serious and moral and somber.
1680
00:51:24,833 --> 00:51:26,632
And, like, "well, that's not"
1681
00:51:26,633 --> 00:51:28,399
what I signed up for... that
1682
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,466
"kind of thing."
1683
00:51:29,467 --> 00:51:31,299
And then there are the people
1684
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:33,266
who were on the other side, who
1685
00:51:33,267 --> 00:51:35,266
were going, "well, I only signed"
1686
00:51:35,267 --> 00:51:37,132
up for the serious and somber.
1687
00:51:37,133 --> 00:51:38,399
You guys, go away.
1688
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,266
"This is... this is," you know.
1689
00:51:40,267 --> 00:51:42,266
And, you know, there became this
1690
00:51:42,267 --> 00:51:44,266
very fierce clash of ideologies,
1691
00:51:44,267 --> 00:51:45,932
and it was alien to us.
1692
00:51:45,933 --> 00:51:47,866
And they decided... in their
1693
00:51:47,867 --> 00:51:49,866
own words, which I was privy to,
1694
00:51:49,867 --> 00:51:51,599
'cause it was told to me...
1695
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,399
"stop ruining our bad name."
1696
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,599
So, to make anonymous look bad,
1697
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,399
they go off and they post
1698
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,232
animated gifs... animated
1699
00:51:59,233 --> 00:52:01,366
images... to epilepsy forums,
1700
00:52:01,367 --> 00:52:02,832
that are black and white, just
1701
00:52:02,833 --> 00:52:04,332
strobing really quickly, so any
1702
00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:05,832
of the epilepsy people on these
1703
00:52:05,833 --> 00:52:07,299
support forums see it and they
1704
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:08,832
fall off their chairs, you know,
1705
00:52:08,833 --> 00:52:09,567
in seizure.
1706
00:52:09,568 --> 00:52:10,866
You start hearing this term,
1707
00:52:10,867 --> 00:52:11,567
"moralfag."
1708
00:52:11,568 --> 00:52:12,966
If you're not out there making
1709
00:52:12,967 --> 00:52:14,399
epileptics have seizures, then
1710
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,599
you're doing it wrong...
1711
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,766
So, you're a moralfag.
1712
00:52:16,767 --> 00:52:18,366
Which is what I am... a
1713
00:52:18,367 --> 00:52:19,999
moralfag, those who want to
1714
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,766
use anonymous as, you know, a
1715
00:52:21,767 --> 00:52:23,399
tool for good in some sense
1716
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,199
rather than just doing what we
1717
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,999
used to do, which was to screw
1718
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,132
with video games.
1719
00:52:28,133 --> 00:52:30,466
One anon said it well once.
1720
00:52:30,467 --> 00:52:33,366
"There is no leader."
1721
00:52:33,367 --> 00:52:36,966
Their ops have... Momentary
1722
00:52:36,967 --> 00:52:38,567
"leaders, de facto leaders."
1723
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:39,966
Almost through meritocracy.
1724
00:52:39,967 --> 00:52:41,199
There's more respected or more
1725
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,232
persistent participants.
1726
00:52:42,233 --> 00:52:43,399
Some people participate in a
1727
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,666
single operation and are never
1728
00:52:44,667 --> 00:52:45,367
heard from again.
1729
00:52:45,368 --> 00:52:46,599
It might even be a housewife who
1730
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,799
just, you know, agrees with that
1731
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,832
political statement or that
1732
00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:49,833
protest.
1733
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,399
If you had asked me all
1734
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,466
throughout 2008 and most of
1735
00:53:29,467 --> 00:53:31,432
2009, "is the politics of"
1736
00:53:31,433 --> 00:53:33,366
anonymous always gonna be
1737
00:53:33,367 --> 00:53:35,766
sutured and hinged to the church
1738
00:53:35,767 --> 00:53:37,966
"of scientology?" I would have
1739
00:53:37,967 --> 00:53:38,867
said yes.
1740
00:53:38,868 --> 00:53:41,266
And it became unsutured,
1741
00:53:41,267 --> 00:53:43,799
unhinged, when a different
1742
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,167
political wing was born in 2010.
1743
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,799
It's our task to find secret
1744
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,999
abusive plans and expose them
1745
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,566
where they can be opposed before
1746
00:54:01,567 --> 00:54:02,866
they're implemented.
1747
00:54:02,867 --> 00:54:04,666
The interesting thing about
1748
00:54:04,667 --> 00:54:06,566
someone like assange is that he
1749
00:54:06,567 --> 00:54:08,299
actually also sprang from, you
1750
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:09,766
know, a hacker culture.
1751
00:54:09,767 --> 00:54:11,566
It's a mentality of spreading
1752
00:54:11,567 --> 00:54:12,200
information.
1753
00:54:12,201 --> 00:54:13,232
Julian was mendax.
1754
00:54:13,233 --> 00:54:14,699
He was the greatest hacker that
1755
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:15,999
ever walked the face of the
1756
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,132
earth when I was a kid.
1757
00:54:17,133 --> 00:54:18,566
I mean, they rumored he could
1758
00:54:18,567 --> 00:54:19,999
move satellites around in space
1759
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,066
by hacking into NASA.
1760
00:54:21,067 --> 00:54:22,566
I mean, you know, maybe it never
1761
00:54:22,567 --> 00:54:24,032
happened but, I mean, you know,
1762
00:54:24,033 --> 00:54:25,399
it was a myth that kept young
1763
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,832
kids like me wanting to, like,
1764
00:54:26,833 --> 00:54:28,332
you know, plug a computer into a
1765
00:54:28,333 --> 00:54:29,832
modem and see if I can move some
1766
00:54:29,833 --> 00:54:30,767
satellites around.
1767
00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:32,566
Wikileaks is an extension of
1768
00:54:32,567 --> 00:54:34,366
the hackers ethos... truth wants
1769
00:54:34,367 --> 00:54:35,899
to be free, and we want to
1770
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:37,899
liberate it.
1771
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:39,832
Wikileaks released a huge
1772
00:54:39,833 --> 00:54:41,699
trove of diplomatic cables.
1773
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:43,766
There was a lot of controversy
1774
00:54:43,767 --> 00:54:46,099
from every quarter of society.
1775
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,599
The wikileaks website
1776
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,399
released nearly 400,000 secret.
1777
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,266
U.S. files on the Iraq war late
1778
00:54:51,267 --> 00:54:51,833
today.
1779
00:54:51,834 --> 00:54:53,432
It was the largest leak of
1780
00:54:53,433 --> 00:54:54,932
classified U.S. files in
1781
00:54:54,933 --> 00:54:55,600
history.
1782
00:54:55,601 --> 00:54:57,566
The diplomatic cables show
1783
00:54:57,567 --> 00:54:59,299
the U.S. is spying on its
1784
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:00,067
allies.
1785
00:55:00,068 --> 00:55:01,299
Lots of things which were
1786
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:02,566
understood in private and may
1787
00:55:02,567 --> 00:55:03,899
have been not even talked about
1788
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:05,199
explicitly... suddenly they're
1789
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,566
out there in the cold light of
1790
00:55:06,567 --> 00:55:07,766
day, and it's gonna make some
1791
00:55:07,767 --> 00:55:09,132
governments and some individuals
1792
00:55:09,133 --> 00:55:10,567
very uncomfortable.
1793
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,466
There was one particular
1794
00:55:46,467 --> 00:55:49,332
moment that really sparked the
1795
00:55:49,333 --> 00:55:52,299
fire, and this was when PayPal,
1796
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:55,099
mastercard, and Amazon pulled
1797
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:56,766
services for wikileaks.
1798
00:55:56,767 --> 00:55:58,399
So, all of a sudden, there's
1799
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,799
no way to actually, like,
1800
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,432
process donations to wikileaks.
1801
00:56:01,433 --> 00:56:03,032
And then people went and found,
1802
00:56:03,033 --> 00:56:04,266
like, Neo-Nazi groups.
1803
00:56:04,267 --> 00:56:05,566
Visa and mastercard were
1804
00:56:05,567 --> 00:56:07,099
perfectly fine with you being
1805
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:08,766
able to, like, you know, PayPal,
1806
00:56:08,767 --> 00:56:10,099
being able to, like, make
1807
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:12,099
donations to them.
1808
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:14,133
But wikileaks... no.
1809
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,032
Anonymous very quickly moved
1810
00:56:42,033 --> 00:56:43,367
into an attack mode.
1811
00:56:47,133 --> 00:56:49,566
Cyber protests, sit-ins...
1812
00:56:49,567 --> 00:56:51,699
However you want to look at
1813
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:55,199
it... ddos is a tool that is a
1814
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,366
big giant... it's like driving a
1815
00:56:57,367 --> 00:56:58,699
finish nail in with a
1816
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:00,932
sledgehammer.
1817
00:57:00,933 --> 00:57:03,266
The numbers of participants
1818
00:57:03,267 --> 00:57:07,432
were massive... massive.
1819
00:57:07,433 --> 00:57:10,099
And they manage over the course
1820
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:12,732
of a couple of days to disable
1821
00:57:12,733 --> 00:57:15,332
the websites of mastercard and
1822
00:57:15,333 --> 00:57:17,567
PayPal.
1823
00:57:17,733 --> 00:57:19,832
It was like watching the hack
1824
00:57:19,833 --> 00:57:21,732
magician finally get a trick
1825
00:57:21,733 --> 00:57:23,432
right, because you're not
1826
00:57:23,433 --> 00:57:25,199
expecting it and then it's
1827
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,167
magnificent.
1828
00:57:26,168 --> 00:57:28,567
It was beautiful.
1829
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,632
'Cause what you had is people
1830
00:57:31,633 --> 00:57:32,699
finding you stood up for
1831
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:33,932
something.
1832
00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:36,766
How long has it been since we
1833
00:57:36,767 --> 00:57:39,399
had a huge, really relevant
1834
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,133
protest.
1835
00:57:40,134 --> 00:57:41,999
I'm not talking tea party, "I
1836
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,599
want to bring my guns in
1837
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:44,333
"public."
1838
00:57:44,334 --> 00:57:49,666
I'm talking... I'm talking 10,000
1839
00:57:49,667 --> 00:57:51,566
angry people said, "this is not"
1840
00:57:51,567 --> 00:57:52,932
right, and I want to do
1841
00:57:52,933 --> 00:57:54,300
"something about it."
1842
00:57:58,667 --> 00:58:01,066
Soon after, wikileaks was
1843
00:58:01,067 --> 00:58:04,566
blocked in Tunisia.
1844
00:58:04,567 --> 00:58:07,566
And anonymous got wind of that.
1845
00:58:07,567 --> 00:58:10,066
They then intervened... at
1846
00:58:10,067 --> 00:58:11,566
first, solely for the purposes
1847
00:58:11,567 --> 00:58:12,966
of, like, stopping the kind of
1848
00:58:12,967 --> 00:58:14,399
censorship that was happening.
1849
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,933
And they did some ddosing.
1850
00:58:16,133 --> 00:58:17,632
And this was a time period where
1851
00:58:17,633 --> 00:58:19,566
they were getting involved with
1852
00:58:19,567 --> 00:58:20,766
what I would call
1853
00:58:20,767 --> 00:58:22,232
"non-internety" social
1854
00:58:22,233 --> 00:58:24,166
movements and building lines of
1855
00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:25,566
solidarity.
1856
00:58:25,567 --> 00:58:26,832
My name's Pete fein.
1857
00:58:26,833 --> 00:58:28,832
You can call me an internaut or
1858
00:58:28,833 --> 00:58:29,999
a hacktivist.
1859
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,332
Telecomix is an ad hoc cluster
1860
00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:34,666
of volunteer net activists who
1861
00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:36,266
have have spent much of last
1862
00:58:36,267 --> 00:58:38,032
year trying to keep the Internet
1863
00:58:38,033 --> 00:58:39,733
running in the middle east.
1864
00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:41,566
During that time, we saw the
1865
00:58:41,567 --> 00:58:43,099
Tunisian government not only
1866
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:44,666
censoring and filtering the
1867
00:58:44,667 --> 00:58:46,232
Internet but also doing some
1868
00:58:46,233 --> 00:58:47,866
kind of technical trickery to
1869
00:58:47,867 --> 00:58:49,232
steal people's Facebook
1870
00:58:49,233 --> 00:58:50,732
passwords and delete their
1871
00:58:50,733 --> 00:58:52,366
posts and see who was posting
1872
00:58:52,367 --> 00:58:53,766
what and, you know, fake
1873
00:58:53,767 --> 00:58:55,199
posts... stuff like that.
1874
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,099
Some Tunisian hackers came to
1875
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:57,567
us.
1876
00:58:57,568 --> 00:58:59,366
They were members of anonymous,
1877
00:58:59,367 --> 00:59:01,199
and I didn't even know we had
1878
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,099
members of anonymous in Tunisia,
1879
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:04,599
so it was a shock to me.
1880
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,366
And they had some... they had
1881
00:59:06,367 --> 00:59:08,132
the keys to some parts of the
1882
00:59:08,133 --> 00:59:09,866
kingdom, so to speak, when it
1883
00:59:09,867 --> 00:59:11,799
came to the dictator in Tunisia.
1884
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,566
We went in on behalf of those
1885
00:59:13,567 --> 00:59:15,299
Tunisian anons, and we helped
1886
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:17,066
them get that and extract it,
1887
00:59:17,067 --> 00:59:18,866
and then it went to wikileaks.
1888
00:59:18,867 --> 00:59:19,966
The Tunisians overthrew
1889
00:59:19,967 --> 00:59:21,066
Ben Ali, who was kind of a
1890
00:59:21,067 --> 00:59:22,399
repressive dictator.
1891
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,966
A revolution that was
1892
00:59:23,967 --> 00:59:25,566
facilitated by... by the
1893
00:59:25,567 --> 00:59:28,632
Internet, by Facebook, and by
1894
00:59:28,633 --> 00:59:29,832
Twitter.
1895
00:59:29,833 --> 00:59:30,899
Not caused by it.
1896
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:32,699
I mean, 50 years of dictatorship
1897
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:34,466
has caused the arab spring, but
1898
00:59:34,467 --> 00:59:36,232
the Internet has certainly been
1899
00:59:36,233 --> 00:59:37,767
helping.
1900
01:00:01,733 --> 01:00:03,732
The same group of hackers
1901
01:00:03,733 --> 01:00:05,966
that target anti-wikileaks sites
1902
01:00:05,967 --> 01:00:08,166
have now turned their attention
1903
01:00:08,167 --> 01:00:11,367
to Egypt.
1904
01:00:11,567 --> 01:00:13,166
In kind of the lead-up to the
1905
01:00:13,167 --> 01:00:14,599
Egyptian revolution, we would
1906
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:15,899
tweet on people's behalf.
1907
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:17,399
We'd get people from Egypt who
1908
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,999
were unable to access Twitter on
1909
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,532
their own, on our r.C. Network,
1910
01:00:20,533 --> 01:00:22,032
and we would take reports from
1911
01:00:22,033 --> 01:00:23,632
them and tweet them out using...
1912
01:00:23,633 --> 01:00:25,032
Using our account to kind of
1913
01:00:25,033 --> 01:00:27,699
help them get the word out about
1914
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:29,567
what they were experiencing.
1915
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,966
Some of this shit is
1916
01:00:34,967 --> 01:00:37,266
personal, and one of the things
1917
01:00:37,267 --> 01:00:39,432
about the movement as a whole
1918
01:00:39,433 --> 01:00:41,799
when Egypt rolled around is that
1919
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,832
Egypt broke us emotionally.
1920
01:00:43,833 --> 01:00:46,099
Watching in real-time with live
1921
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,199
feeds that we helped set up,
1922
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,566
Egyptians getting massacred with
1923
01:00:50,567 --> 01:00:52,433
machine guns.
1924
01:00:52,633 --> 01:00:54,399
It was different, and I have
1925
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,132
never in cyber-activism wept
1926
01:00:56,133 --> 01:00:56,767
before.
1927
01:00:56,768 --> 01:00:58,466
It's never bothered me like
1928
01:00:58,467 --> 01:00:59,000
that.
1929
01:00:59,001 --> 01:01:00,866
It's never been able to touch
1930
01:01:00,867 --> 01:01:04,032
me the way Egypt touched me.
1931
01:01:04,033 --> 01:01:05,799
It was fucked up that we were
1932
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,432
watching people killed for no
1933
01:01:07,433 --> 01:01:09,132
reason other than leaving their
1934
01:01:09,133 --> 01:01:10,732
homes, that these people had
1935
01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:12,299
every right to freedom, that
1936
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:13,966
they had every right to choose
1937
01:01:13,967 --> 01:01:16,299
their government.
1938
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:18,366
And then January 27th,
1939
01:01:18,367 --> 01:01:20,732
January 28th rolls around and
1940
01:01:20,733 --> 01:01:23,166
the Egyptian government starts
1941
01:01:23,167 --> 01:01:25,366
shutting down the Internet.
1942
01:01:25,367 --> 01:01:26,566
I mean, just... for the whole
1943
01:01:26,567 --> 01:01:27,799
country, for the whole country.
1944
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,032
There's this fantastic traffic
1945
01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:30,099
graph that you can see the
1946
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:31,399
traffic coming out Egypt, and it
1947
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,732
looks like... you know, like
1948
01:01:32,733 --> 01:01:33,733
this.
1949
01:01:33,734 --> 01:01:35,732
Just totally stops.
1950
01:01:35,733 --> 01:01:36,667
And we were just shocked.
1951
01:01:36,668 --> 01:01:37,699
We were just like, "what the"
1952
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:39,032
fuck... like, what the fuck?"
1953
01:01:39,033 --> 01:01:40,366
To think that a country would
1954
01:01:40,367 --> 01:01:42,366
completely cut itself off as
1955
01:01:42,367 --> 01:01:44,566
much as it was able to from the
1956
01:01:44,567 --> 01:01:46,232
outside world was pretty
1957
01:01:46,233 --> 01:01:47,233
unthinkable.
1958
01:01:47,234 --> 01:01:49,566
You know, we know... we know bad
1959
01:01:49,567 --> 01:01:51,433
things go on in the dark places.
1960
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,566
I put myself in their place,
1961
01:02:21,567 --> 01:02:23,799
and I found myself in a desert
1962
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,099
of nothingness because he just
1963
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:28,232
wiped out everything that my
1964
01:02:28,233 --> 01:02:29,799
world incorporated.
1965
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,599
That just showed me and
1966
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,832
everybody else that this same
1967
01:02:33,833 --> 01:02:35,966
thing can happen at anytime,
1968
01:02:35,967 --> 01:02:37,667
anywhere, in any government.
1969
01:02:37,867 --> 01:02:40,832
Anonymous and the people on
1970
01:02:40,833 --> 01:02:43,866
the Internet stood up and said,
1971
01:02:43,867 --> 01:02:46,366
"go fuck yourself."
1972
01:02:46,367 --> 01:02:47,866
You want to shut down their
1973
01:02:47,867 --> 01:02:50,199
Internet... fine.
1974
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,666
The people on the Internet will
1975
01:02:51,667 --> 01:02:53,066
show them how to turn it back
1976
01:02:53,067 --> 01:02:54,767
on.
1977
01:03:14,567 --> 01:03:16,066
In Egypt, the care package we
1978
01:03:16,067 --> 01:03:17,566
put together included some kind
1979
01:03:17,567 --> 01:03:18,899
of rcom information, the ham
1980
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:22,732
radio and dial modem details.
1981
01:03:22,733 --> 01:03:23,899
In total, we helped coordinate
1982
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:26,232
and run about 500 dial-up modem
1983
01:03:26,233 --> 01:03:29,066
lines.
1984
01:03:29,067 --> 01:03:31,199
We also googled treatments for
1985
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,432
tear gas and other kind of basic
1986
01:03:33,433 --> 01:03:35,399
medical treatment and found
1987
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,566
folks who could translate that
1988
01:03:37,567 --> 01:03:39,699
into arabic... sort of put this
1989
01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:41,899
together in a nice one-page pdf
1990
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:43,332
and fax, and off it goes.
1991
01:03:43,333 --> 01:03:44,966
I think the most effective
1992
01:03:44,967 --> 01:03:46,299
thing was shutting down
1993
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:48,466
government websites.
1994
01:03:48,467 --> 01:03:50,632
We're taking your dictator's
1995
01:03:50,633 --> 01:03:53,633
web pages down.
1996
01:03:55,867 --> 01:03:57,699
President hosni mubarak has
1997
01:03:57,700 --> 01:03:59,566
decided to step down from the
1998
01:03:59,567 --> 01:04:01,132
office of president of the
1999
01:04:01,133 --> 01:04:02,133
Republic.
2000
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:34,799
We had Egyptians come thank
2001
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,466
us as we're doing this stuff,
2002
01:04:36,467 --> 01:04:38,166
and I said... I'm like, "look",
2003
01:04:38,167 --> 01:04:39,832
you guys just get our back if
2004
01:04:39,833 --> 01:04:41,200
"stuff goes down here."
2005
01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:05,632
The FBI is now investigating
2006
01:05:05,633 --> 01:05:07,566
anonymous... a loose collection
2007
01:05:07,567 --> 01:05:09,266
of rogue, tech-savvy hackers
2008
01:05:09,267 --> 01:05:11,166
credited with bringing down the
2009
01:05:11,167 --> 01:05:13,066
websites of mastercard and visa
2010
01:05:13,067 --> 01:05:14,067
last December.
2011
01:05:14,068 --> 01:05:15,232
So, over 40 raids back then,
2012
01:05:15,233 --> 01:05:16,067
they seize computers,
2013
01:05:16,068 --> 01:05:17,199
cellphones, and those kinds of
2014
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,332
technical apparatus, sometimes
2015
01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:19,399
including, in the case of the
2016
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,599
19-year-old girl living with her
2017
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:21,732
family, they took her parents'
2018
01:05:21,733 --> 01:05:24,066
stuff, too.
2019
01:05:24,067 --> 01:05:25,566
There's always been a sort of
2020
01:05:25,567 --> 01:05:27,132
cat-and-mouse dynamic, not just
2021
01:05:27,133 --> 01:05:28,732
in relation to the feds but also
2022
01:05:28,733 --> 01:05:30,199
to these sort of groups that
2023
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,632
have appointed themselves as
2024
01:05:31,633 --> 01:05:33,167
guardians of the Republic.
2025
01:05:40,667 --> 01:05:43,666
Suddenly on February 5th,
2026
01:05:43,667 --> 01:05:45,332
a financial times article comes
2027
01:05:45,333 --> 01:05:48,566
out that we all see.
2028
01:05:48,567 --> 01:05:50,066
It's quoting this guy named
2029
01:05:50,067 --> 01:05:51,832
Aaron barr, who's the c.E.O. Of
2030
01:05:51,833 --> 01:05:53,399
hbgary federal, which is an
2031
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,999
intelligence contractor, and
2032
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,566
Aaron barr is telling this
2033
01:05:56,567 --> 01:05:58,099
financial times journalist
2034
01:05:58,100 --> 01:05:59,666
Joseph menn that he's been
2035
01:05:59,667 --> 01:06:01,432
secretly monitoring the anonops
2036
01:06:01,433 --> 01:06:03,199
server, where all this is going
2037
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,966
on, and has done so for several
2038
01:06:04,967 --> 01:06:08,132
weeks, and using his own custom
2039
01:06:08,133 --> 01:06:09,799
brand of information-operations
2040
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,766
techniques has managed to
2041
01:06:11,767 --> 01:06:14,166
identify the alleged leadership
2042
01:06:14,167 --> 01:06:16,199
of anonymous, including 25
2043
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,699
"lieutenants" of some sort.
2044
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:20,066
We have to see this document.
2045
01:06:20,067 --> 01:06:21,099
Everyone wants to know.
2046
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:22,366
We don't need to destroy him.
2047
01:06:22,367 --> 01:06:23,599
We don't need to destroy his
2048
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,100
company.
2049
01:06:24,101 --> 01:06:25,132
We just need to see the
2050
01:06:25,133 --> 01:06:26,566
document, and we'll decided what
2051
01:06:26,567 --> 01:06:27,832
comes next after looking at the
2052
01:06:27,833 --> 01:06:28,367
document.
2053
01:06:28,367 --> 01:06:29,133
So, they get it.
2054
01:06:29,134 --> 01:06:30,466
It was unbelievably easy to get
2055
01:06:30,467 --> 01:06:31,333
into that network.
2056
01:06:31,334 --> 01:06:32,766
And my name was on there...
2057
01:06:32,767 --> 01:06:33,667
As a screen name.
2058
01:06:33,668 --> 01:06:35,199
And gregg housh was listed there
2059
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,167
by his screen name.
2060
01:06:36,168 --> 01:06:37,599
The fact of the matter is what
2061
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,032
he told financial times was...
2062
01:06:39,033 --> 01:06:40,366
Everything he told them was
2063
01:06:40,367 --> 01:06:41,832
demonstratively untrue and very
2064
01:06:41,833 --> 01:06:42,866
much hilariously so.
2065
01:06:42,867 --> 01:06:44,166
He had to be shut up.
2066
01:06:44,167 --> 01:06:45,799
It had to be proven to the world
2067
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,332
that this guy was a retard and
2068
01:06:47,333 --> 01:06:48,899
that his information was in no
2069
01:06:48,900 --> 01:06:49,567
way valid.
2070
01:06:49,568 --> 01:06:51,399
And to put that in hacker
2071
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,366
terms, anonymous is a hornet's
2072
01:06:53,367 --> 01:06:55,332
nest and barr said, "I'm gonna"
2073
01:06:55,333 --> 01:06:57,300
stick my penis in that thing."
2074
01:06:58,967 --> 01:07:01,666
In a mere 24 hours, he was
2075
01:07:01,667 --> 01:07:04,232
owned, pwned completely by a
2076
01:07:04,233 --> 01:07:07,032
small group of participants who
2077
01:07:07,033 --> 01:07:09,467
basically went on a hacking
2078
01:07:09,567 --> 01:07:10,567
rampage.
2079
01:07:10,568 --> 01:07:12,599
Faster than you can say, "get"
2080
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,466
these hornets off my penis,"
2081
01:07:14,467 --> 01:07:16,199
anonymous took down barr's
2082
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,932
website, stole his e-mail,
2083
01:07:17,933 --> 01:07:19,799
deleted the company's backup
2084
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,566
data, trashed his Twitter
2085
01:07:21,567 --> 01:07:23,566
account, and remotely wiped his
2086
01:07:23,567 --> 01:07:24,567
iPad.
2087
01:07:25,633 --> 01:07:27,299
And he had just reached the
2088
01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:28,766
"ham 'em high" level on
2089
01:07:28,767 --> 01:07:29,767
"angry birds."
2090
01:07:30,667 --> 01:07:32,332
The hbgary hack brought about
2091
01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:34,666
70,000 e-mails.
2092
01:07:34,667 --> 01:07:37,132
Probably the most important
2093
01:07:37,133 --> 01:07:39,599
ones had to do with a proposal
2094
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,566
that hbgary had already
2095
01:07:41,567 --> 01:07:42,666
formulated.
2096
01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:44,999
It was packaged up as a nice
2097
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,032
powerpoint presentation.
2098
01:07:47,033 --> 01:07:49,566
Kind of act as privatized agent
2099
01:07:49,567 --> 01:07:51,899
provocateurs where they were
2100
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:54,066
gonna discredit wikileaks.
2101
01:07:54,067 --> 01:07:55,399
Hbgary was proposing
2102
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,932
submitting fake documents to
2103
01:07:56,933 --> 01:07:58,299
wikileaks and then, when
2104
01:07:58,300 --> 01:07:59,999
discovered as fake, the error
2105
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,732
could be called out and it would
2106
01:08:01,733 --> 01:08:03,267
discredit wikileaks.
2107
01:08:03,467 --> 01:08:05,299
So, there's a lot of, like,
2108
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:06,799
specifics I can't talk about, so
2109
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,299
let me try to answer that,
2110
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:11,966
though, in a general sense.
2111
01:08:11,967 --> 01:08:13,299
Well, first of all, I'm... it's
2112
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:14,799
probably no surprise to anybody
2113
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,567
I'm not a big fan of wikileaks.
2114
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:20,699
I think that the broad purpose
2115
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:22,366
of trying to get as much
2116
01:08:22,367 --> 01:08:23,799
information... proprietary or
2117
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,266
classified information for the
2118
01:08:25,267 --> 01:08:26,799
government... expose that, is an
2119
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,066
extremely destructive and
2120
01:08:28,067 --> 01:08:30,232
dangerous purpose.
2121
01:08:30,233 --> 01:08:31,666
The proposals involved
2122
01:08:31,667 --> 01:08:33,332
conducting information war on
2123
01:08:33,333 --> 01:08:34,966
wikileaks and its supporters,
2124
01:08:34,967 --> 01:08:35,967
creating dissension within
2125
01:08:35,968 --> 01:08:39,299
wikileaks, ddos attacks.
2126
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:40,966
You also wanted to launch
2127
01:08:40,967 --> 01:08:42,566
cyber attacks on wikileaks
2128
01:08:42,567 --> 01:08:43,866
infrastructure to get
2129
01:08:43,867 --> 01:08:45,299
information on document
2130
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:46,100
submitters.
2131
01:08:46,101 --> 01:08:47,432
One thing, I guess, I want to
2132
01:08:47,433 --> 01:08:50,432
make sure is clear is...
2133
01:08:50,433 --> 01:08:53,832
None of those activities had
2134
01:08:53,833 --> 01:08:54,966
actually occurred.
2135
01:08:54,967 --> 01:08:56,366
You know, there's... in
2136
01:08:56,367 --> 01:08:58,066
business, there's... You know,
2137
01:08:58,067 --> 01:08:59,299
when you start proposing or
2138
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:00,766
thinking about an idea, there's
2139
01:09:00,767 --> 01:09:01,832
a brainstorming phase.
2140
01:09:01,833 --> 01:09:03,166
And somebody says, "well, what"
2141
01:09:03,167 --> 01:09:04,566
if, you know... what could we
2142
01:09:04,567 --> 01:09:04,800
do?
2143
01:09:04,801 --> 01:09:06,199
"What's theoretically possible?"
2144
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,432
Well, still, this was an
2145
01:09:07,433 --> 01:09:07,833
idea.
2146
01:09:07,833 --> 01:09:08,733
This was proposed.
2147
01:09:08,734 --> 01:09:09,966
This was something that you
2148
01:09:09,967 --> 01:09:10,700
thought about.
2149
01:09:10,701 --> 01:09:13,699
Right.
2150
01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:15,566
They also wanted to go on a
2151
01:09:15,567 --> 01:09:17,232
campaign kind of targeting
2152
01:09:17,233 --> 01:09:18,799
Glenn greenwald, who's a
2153
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,566
reporter for salon, who's an
2154
01:09:20,567 --> 01:09:22,566
outspoken kind of critic of the
2155
01:09:22,567 --> 01:09:24,232
government and supporter of
2156
01:09:24,233 --> 01:09:25,033
wikileaks.
2157
01:09:25,034 --> 01:09:27,266
It seems like you're trying
2158
01:09:27,267 --> 01:09:29,399
to attack a journalist here.
2159
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,132
Yeah, and I, you know... I
2160
01:09:31,133 --> 01:09:33,032
don't want to talk too much more
2161
01:09:33,033 --> 01:09:34,366
about Glenn greenwald, but other
2162
01:09:34,367 --> 01:09:35,333
than, you know, what I
2163
01:09:35,334 --> 01:09:36,666
previously said is, you know...
2164
01:09:36,667 --> 01:09:38,332
There was never an intent to
2165
01:09:38,333 --> 01:09:42,332
attack... journalists.
2166
01:09:42,333 --> 01:09:43,766
Not on my part.
2167
01:09:43,767 --> 01:09:46,032
You know... I guess I should
2168
01:09:46,033 --> 01:09:47,666
say... I should generalize that
2169
01:09:47,667 --> 01:09:49,132
and to say that, you know, I
2170
01:09:49,133 --> 01:09:50,599
would never just outwardly
2171
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,232
attack a journalist other than
2172
01:09:52,233 --> 01:09:53,699
if I felt that there was a
2173
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:55,432
journalist, in my mind, that was
2174
01:09:55,433 --> 01:09:59,766
acting unethically.
2175
01:09:59,767 --> 01:10:02,766
That's a fair game for having a
2176
01:10:02,767 --> 01:10:05,133
public discussion about it.
2177
01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:06,999
They were walking a very fine
2178
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,999
ethical line at points, and, in
2179
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,166
many cases, the mass opinion is,
2180
01:10:12,167 --> 01:10:14,700
"no, they stepped well past it."
2181
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:16,632
I will not support broad
2182
01:10:16,633 --> 01:10:18,299
theft of... of information
2183
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:20,132
released to the public 'cause
2184
01:10:20,133 --> 01:10:22,066
that's nothing but destructive.
2185
01:10:22,067 --> 01:10:23,799
If somebody has information
2186
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,632
that's been stolen from them,
2187
01:10:25,633 --> 01:10:27,399
and whether or not wikileaks
2188
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,332
encouraged the theft of that or
2189
01:10:29,333 --> 01:10:31,232
whether or not it was just put
2190
01:10:31,233 --> 01:10:32,899
in their lap... still,
2191
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:34,066
they're... they're threatening
2192
01:10:34,067 --> 01:10:36,399
to release the information that
2193
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,566
was the private property of
2194
01:10:37,567 --> 01:10:39,666
another organization.
2195
01:10:39,667 --> 01:10:42,299
So, your choices are to just
2196
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:45,099
allow that to happen or to try
2197
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,432
to stop it.
2198
01:10:47,433 --> 01:10:49,599
How offensive is too offensive?
2199
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:50,932
You know, we've certainly seen a
2200
01:10:50,933 --> 01:10:52,599
lot of strategy coming out of
2201
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,599
governments across the world
2202
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:55,766
now, saying, you know...
2203
01:10:55,767 --> 01:10:57,032
Publicly admitting that they
2204
01:10:57,033 --> 01:10:58,366
need to become... they need to
2205
01:10:58,367 --> 01:10:59,566
develop better offensive
2206
01:10:59,567 --> 01:11:00,866
strategies in cyber security,
2207
01:11:00,867 --> 01:11:03,566
because defense as a whole isn't
2208
01:11:03,567 --> 01:11:05,732
enough.
2209
01:11:05,733 --> 01:11:08,399
It never is enough.
2210
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,599
In the court of public
2211
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,066
opinion that took hbgary quickly
2212
01:11:11,067 --> 01:11:12,566
from being a perceived victim to
2213
01:11:12,567 --> 01:11:13,699
being a perceived villain
2214
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:14,333
themselves.
2215
01:11:14,334 --> 01:11:15,566
It was becoming harder and
2216
01:11:15,567 --> 01:11:16,966
harder to distinguish the good
2217
01:11:16,967 --> 01:11:18,567
guys from the bad guys.
2218
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:22,032
Hbgary changed anonymous...
2219
01:11:22,033 --> 01:11:24,866
As tremendously as optunisia
2220
01:11:24,867 --> 01:11:25,367
did.
2221
01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:26,866
And within essentially a month
2222
01:11:26,867 --> 01:11:28,866
of each other, these two events
2223
01:11:28,867 --> 01:11:31,866
were totally formative for the
2224
01:11:31,867 --> 01:11:32,867
collective.
2225
01:11:32,933 --> 01:11:34,932
Optunisia was where it got its
2226
01:11:34,933 --> 01:11:37,032
moral compass and its sense that
2227
01:11:37,033 --> 01:11:38,799
it could affect the world.
2228
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,566
Hbgary is where it got its
2229
01:11:40,567 --> 01:11:41,767
swagger.
2230
01:11:44,467 --> 01:11:47,632
George hotz made it possible
2231
01:11:47,633 --> 01:11:50,299
for PlayStation to run
2232
01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:51,966
homebrewed software, which also
2233
01:11:51,967 --> 01:11:53,567
lets you run pirated software.
2234
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:55,599
Yo! It's g.O. Hot.
2235
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,166
And for those that don't know,
2236
01:11:58,167 --> 01:12:00,566
I'm getting sued by Sony.
2237
01:12:00,567 --> 01:12:02,199
So, Sony went after him,
2238
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,566
claiming it was a dmca
2239
01:12:03,567 --> 01:12:04,333
violation.
2240
01:12:04,334 --> 01:12:05,666
They just kind of mass-lawyer
2241
01:12:05,667 --> 01:12:07,832
nastygrammed him and shut him
2242
01:12:07,833 --> 01:12:09,466
down and did sue him.
2243
01:12:09,467 --> 01:12:10,467
He settled.
2244
01:12:10,468 --> 01:12:12,566
And the response to that was
2245
01:12:12,567 --> 01:12:14,600
immediate and brutal.
2246
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,066
Sony has confirmed that
2247
01:12:16,067 --> 01:12:17,166
hackers broke into its
2248
01:12:17,167 --> 01:12:18,566
PlayStation network, exposing
2249
01:12:18,567 --> 01:12:19,999
the personal information of up
2250
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,033
to 77 million users worldwide.
2251
01:12:22,233 --> 01:12:23,966
Over the next six to eight
2252
01:12:23,967 --> 01:12:25,866
months, they were hacked over 20
2253
01:12:25,867 --> 01:12:26,700
times.
2254
01:12:26,701 --> 01:12:27,732
There's no evidence that
2255
01:12:27,733 --> 01:12:29,032
anonymous was anywhere near the
2256
01:12:29,033 --> 01:12:30,000
majority of the hacks.
2257
01:12:30,001 --> 01:12:31,066
One of the reasons why it
2258
01:12:31,067 --> 01:12:32,266
captured so much of the media
2259
01:12:32,267 --> 01:12:33,566
imagination when anonymous did
2260
01:12:33,567 --> 01:12:35,199
it, as opposed to when other
2261
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:36,932
people did it, is because they
2262
01:12:36,933 --> 01:12:38,599
were loud and bombastic, and
2263
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,466
they had a great image you could
2264
01:12:40,467 --> 01:12:41,899
throw on the top of your
2265
01:12:41,900 --> 01:12:43,266
article, and they made
2266
01:12:43,267 --> 01:12:44,899
statements that, when you're
2267
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:46,666
constructing a story, you just
2268
01:12:46,667 --> 01:12:51,332
can't resist.
2269
01:12:51,333 --> 01:12:53,566
And then, kind of seemingly
2270
01:12:53,567 --> 01:12:55,399
out of the blue, there was
2271
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,566
something by the name lulzsec
2272
01:12:57,567 --> 01:12:59,399
that sailed into the seas.
2273
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,366
Lulzsec... it's a sort of a
2274
01:13:01,367 --> 01:13:03,199
group, mostly from anonymous,
2275
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,032
who... large part of the same
2276
01:13:05,033 --> 01:13:06,666
people who hacked hbgary.
2277
01:13:06,667 --> 01:13:07,999
And they decided to form this
2278
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,266
little group and carry on
2279
01:13:10,267 --> 01:13:12,932
operations outside the purview
2280
01:13:12,933 --> 01:13:15,300
of anonymous for awhile.
2281
01:13:29,067 --> 01:13:32,399
Lulzsec tried to say it
2282
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:33,666
wasn't anonymous for awhile.
2283
01:13:33,667 --> 01:13:35,099
They tried to divide itself off.
2284
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:36,432
I don't think anyone bought it
2285
01:13:36,433 --> 01:13:37,133
for a minute.
2286
01:13:37,134 --> 01:13:38,699
There was no way that lulzsec
2287
01:13:38,700 --> 01:13:40,132
was not anonymous, but the
2288
01:13:40,133 --> 01:13:41,732
majority of time, the majority
2289
01:13:41,733 --> 01:13:43,432
of anons were not doing anything
2290
01:13:43,433 --> 01:13:44,632
particularly illegal.
2291
01:13:44,633 --> 01:13:46,932
When they are, a huge number of
2292
01:13:46,933 --> 01:13:49,099
them try to do that in a very
2293
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:51,132
specific political context.
2294
01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:53,332
For those people, what lulzsec
2295
01:13:53,333 --> 01:13:55,699
was doing... they were funny but
2296
01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:57,666
they were attacking random
2297
01:13:57,667 --> 01:13:58,367
targets.
2298
01:13:58,368 --> 01:13:59,866
They were breaking the
2299
01:13:59,867 --> 01:14:02,900
quasi-rules by attacking media.
2300
01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:16,399
There was a lot of
2301
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:17,799
in-fighting about it because
2302
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,166
their way, you know, wasn't
2303
01:14:19,167 --> 01:14:20,566
really our way.
2304
01:14:20,567 --> 01:14:23,332
We will not attack the media.
2305
01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:24,899
Pbs's "frontline" runs a
2306
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:26,599
documentary mainly focused on
2307
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,232
Bradley Manning, the alleged
2308
01:14:28,233 --> 01:14:29,966
leaker to wikileaks, and a lot
2309
01:14:29,967 --> 01:14:31,632
of Bradley Manning supporters
2310
01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:32,633
didn't like it.
2311
01:14:32,634 --> 01:14:34,599
They hacked the website,
2312
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,699
putting a story that 2pac and
2313
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:38,866
biggie had kind of escaped the
2314
01:14:38,867 --> 01:14:40,932
world of celebrity, fame, and
2315
01:14:40,933 --> 01:14:43,032
attention and retired quietly
2316
01:14:43,033 --> 01:14:45,199
and discreetly in New Zealand.
2317
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:46,566
Lulzsec, when they attacked
2318
01:14:46,567 --> 01:14:47,866
pbs, you know, that gave me the
2319
01:14:47,867 --> 01:14:49,400
creeps, you know.
2320
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,366
As a journalist, I'm not too
2321
01:14:51,367 --> 01:14:52,932
thrilled with the idea of
2322
01:14:52,933 --> 01:14:54,866
someone judging that, "we don't"
2323
01:14:54,867 --> 01:14:56,332
like you to write that.
2324
01:14:56,333 --> 01:14:58,299
We don't like your reporting, so
2325
01:14:58,300 --> 01:15:00,032
we're gonna shut down your
2326
01:15:00,033 --> 01:15:00,767
"website."
2327
01:15:00,768 --> 01:15:02,332
I'm uncomfortable with that.
2328
01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:04,032
It could be me, and I could be
2329
01:15:04,033 --> 01:15:05,732
writing something about a group
2330
01:15:05,733 --> 01:15:07,032
that they didn't like.
2331
01:15:07,033 --> 01:15:08,666
And I'm happy to sit and talk
2332
01:15:08,667 --> 01:15:10,232
with them about it, but, you
2333
01:15:10,233 --> 01:15:11,766
know, don't shut my website
2334
01:15:11,767 --> 01:15:12,767
down.
2335
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:30,666
Hacktivism started to
2336
01:15:30,667 --> 01:15:35,832
become... sort of... I would say
2337
01:15:35,833 --> 01:15:38,166
almost more nasty, using, you
2338
01:15:38,167 --> 01:15:39,332
know, sort of more
2339
01:15:39,333 --> 01:15:40,999
no-holds-barred kind of
2340
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,732
attacks... sort of more vicious
2341
01:15:43,733 --> 01:15:44,700
attacks.
2342
01:15:44,701 --> 01:15:48,032
Lulzsec adds this dimension
2343
01:15:48,033 --> 01:15:49,699
of bombastic lawbreaking to
2344
01:15:49,700 --> 01:15:51,866
anonymous.
2345
01:15:51,867 --> 01:15:53,199
For the people who are focused
2346
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,032
on things like the freedomops,
2347
01:15:55,033 --> 01:15:57,199
who want anonymous to be a way
2348
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,232
of standing up to the powers
2349
01:15:59,233 --> 01:16:01,399
that be, this is diluting and
2350
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,566
possibly counterproductive to
2351
01:16:03,567 --> 01:16:05,466
their project in anonymous.
2352
01:16:05,467 --> 01:16:07,232
You can try to make a case
2353
01:16:07,233 --> 01:16:09,066
for civil disobedience and for,
2354
01:16:09,067 --> 01:16:10,966
you might call it, crowd-sourced
2355
01:16:10,967 --> 01:16:12,266
investigations using
2356
01:16:12,267 --> 01:16:13,432
sometimes illegal means.
2357
01:16:13,433 --> 01:16:14,766
It's hard to keep making that
2358
01:16:14,767 --> 01:16:16,099
case, it's hard to maintain that
2359
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:18,766
case when you have these people
2360
01:16:18,767 --> 01:16:20,666
from the movement...
2361
01:16:20,667 --> 01:16:23,366
Fucking with people, you know,
2362
01:16:23,367 --> 01:16:25,067
just fucking with people.
2363
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,632
They sort of saw themselves
2364
01:16:29,633 --> 01:16:31,699
as going out there and breaking
2365
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:33,232
into, like, anything,
2366
01:16:33,233 --> 01:16:34,966
everything... government,
2367
01:16:34,967 --> 01:16:36,399
corporations, police
2368
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,432
departments... largely for the
2369
01:16:38,433 --> 01:16:40,232
same reason that anonymous
2370
01:16:40,233 --> 01:16:42,232
would.
2371
01:16:42,233 --> 01:16:44,232
They went after Arizona for
2372
01:16:44,233 --> 01:16:46,566
immigration policy.
2373
01:16:46,567 --> 01:16:49,932
50-day run causing mayhem,
2374
01:16:49,933 --> 01:16:53,432
havoc... and then ended it.
2375
01:16:53,433 --> 01:16:55,032
The computer hacking group
2376
01:16:55,033 --> 01:16:56,699
lulzsecurity has announced it's
2377
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:58,099
disbanding, saying it had
2378
01:16:58,100 --> 01:16:59,832
achieved its mission to disrupt
2379
01:16:59,833 --> 01:17:01,199
government and corporate
2380
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,366
organizations for fun.
2381
01:17:04,367 --> 01:17:05,699
I call this whole thing the
2382
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:07,233
rise of the chaotic actor.
2383
01:17:07,433 --> 01:17:09,766
And chaotic could be chaotic
2384
01:17:09,767 --> 01:17:11,266
good, neutral, or evil.
2385
01:17:11,267 --> 01:17:12,599
And if you go back to the old
2386
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:13,999
"dungeons & dragons" charts...
2387
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,366
And some people see it on ops
2388
01:17:15,367 --> 01:17:16,699
initially and will stick with
2389
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:18,233
anonymous as chaotic good.
2390
01:17:18,433 --> 01:17:19,899
They saw operation payback or
2391
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:21,566
they saw attacking scientology,
2392
01:17:21,567 --> 01:17:22,866
and they say, "that's good."
2393
01:17:22,867 --> 01:17:24,366
It's like Robin hood, right?"
2394
01:17:24,367 --> 01:17:25,766
Chaotic good... outside the
2395
01:17:25,767 --> 01:17:27,366
system but doing something good.
2396
01:17:27,367 --> 01:17:28,999
Other people saw anon as chaotic
2397
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,066
evil like the joker.
2398
01:17:30,067 --> 01:17:31,666
They just want to see the world
2399
01:17:31,667 --> 01:17:33,166
burn and are doing potentially
2400
01:17:33,167 --> 01:17:34,232
irreparable damage.
2401
01:17:34,233 --> 01:17:35,799
And the truth is, yes, it's the
2402
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,099
entire column of chaotic.
2403
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:38,466
I'm actually a little less
2404
01:17:38,467 --> 01:17:39,866
concerned about some of the
2405
01:17:39,867 --> 01:17:41,466
things lulzsec has done and more
2406
01:17:41,467 --> 01:17:42,732
concerned about the next
2407
01:17:42,733 --> 01:17:44,299
generation of lulzsec, the next
2408
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:45,866
turn of the crank of "who takes"
2409
01:17:45,867 --> 01:17:46,999
it further or is more
2410
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:47,733
"aggressive?"
2411
01:17:47,734 --> 01:17:49,199
Whoever fights monsters, you
2412
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:50,799
know, should see to it that they
2413
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,333
don't themselves become one.
2414
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:58,032
Sabu was probably the most
2415
01:17:58,033 --> 01:18:00,966
famous anon who managed to kind
2416
01:18:00,967 --> 01:18:05,466
of remain famous for awhile.
2417
01:18:05,467 --> 01:18:07,332
Somebody who gets famous in anon
2418
01:18:07,333 --> 01:18:08,966
generally gets punished very
2419
01:18:08,967 --> 01:18:10,266
harshly by anonymous.
2420
01:18:10,267 --> 01:18:12,599
But sabu managed to avoid that a
2421
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,600
few ways.
2422
01:18:13,601 --> 01:18:15,132
I mean, he was a controversial
2423
01:18:15,133 --> 01:18:16,266
figure... incredibly
2424
01:18:16,267 --> 01:18:17,799
controversial figure... inside
2425
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:18,600
of anonymous.
2426
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:19,567
He was bombastic.
2427
01:18:19,568 --> 01:18:22,566
He was thuggish.
2428
01:18:22,567 --> 01:18:26,566
But he was also very good at
2429
01:18:26,567 --> 01:18:28,266
mentoring and encouraging people
2430
01:18:28,267 --> 01:18:29,832
and giving them permission to
2431
01:18:29,833 --> 01:18:30,567
try things.
2432
01:18:30,568 --> 01:18:32,866
And that was, I think, one of
2433
01:18:32,867 --> 01:18:35,166
the most pivotal things about
2434
01:18:35,167 --> 01:18:36,332
sabu's role.
2435
01:18:36,333 --> 01:18:39,999
And it also speaks to the
2436
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,999
absolutely soul-crushing level
2437
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,666
of betrayal... When it was
2438
01:18:44,667 --> 01:18:45,999
revealed that sabu was working
2439
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,200
for the FBI.
2440
01:18:50,667 --> 01:18:53,132
There are still people who
2441
01:18:53,133 --> 01:18:55,899
cannot let go of the idea that
2442
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:57,866
he was somehow on their side,
2443
01:18:57,867 --> 01:19:00,066
that somehow he had to have been
2444
01:19:00,067 --> 01:19:02,132
working against the FBI to help
2445
01:19:02,133 --> 01:19:03,632
them... no matter how much is
2446
01:19:03,633 --> 01:19:05,966
revealed.
2447
01:19:05,967 --> 01:19:07,566
But he had betrayed the
2448
01:19:07,567 --> 01:19:08,433
collective.
2449
01:19:08,434 --> 01:19:10,399
It devastated everyone that he
2450
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,433
had touched.
2451
01:19:29,433 --> 01:19:31,266
Hugh Davies.
2452
01:19:31,267 --> 01:19:33,266
I'm an independent barrister.
2453
01:19:33,267 --> 01:19:35,366
Amongst the cases I'm working on
2454
01:19:35,367 --> 01:19:37,299
at the moment are the lulzsec
2455
01:19:37,300 --> 01:19:38,566
base prosecution.
2456
01:19:38,567 --> 01:19:40,832
I can't comment on sabu, but
2457
01:19:40,833 --> 01:19:43,299
with cyber criminals, whatever
2458
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:45,799
their motivation, it may not be
2459
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,099
personal profit, but it is a
2460
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:49,999
very strong, sometimes
2461
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,366
destructive motive simply for
2462
01:19:52,367 --> 01:19:54,233
those with whom they disagree.
2463
01:19:54,433 --> 01:19:56,366
In criminal terms, it's
2464
01:19:56,367 --> 01:19:57,399
vandalism.
2465
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,899
One has to be extremely careful
2466
01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:02,266
that one person's exercise of
2467
01:20:02,267 --> 01:20:04,766
freedom of speech is not at the
2468
01:20:04,767 --> 01:20:06,966
expense of some other quite
2469
01:20:06,967 --> 01:20:09,466
legitimate organization's equal
2470
01:20:09,467 --> 01:20:11,899
right to have a lawful website
2471
01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:14,099
operating, available to the
2472
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:16,599
public in a Democratic society.
2473
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,132
And simply taking out lawful
2474
01:20:18,133 --> 01:20:19,632
websites 'cause you disagree
2475
01:20:19,633 --> 01:20:21,066
with them is an erosion of
2476
01:20:21,067 --> 01:20:22,632
freedom of speech rather than
2477
01:20:22,633 --> 01:20:23,833
extending it.
2478
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,899
Really, as powerful as they
2479
01:20:43,900 --> 01:20:46,232
seem to be, lulzsec and
2480
01:20:46,233 --> 01:20:47,766
anonymous are really small
2481
01:20:47,767 --> 01:20:49,566
potatoes compared to the bigger
2482
01:20:49,567 --> 01:20:51,199
operations that are going on
2483
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:52,999
that we don't hear about, maybe
2484
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,266
operations funded by
2485
01:20:54,267 --> 01:20:55,100
governments.
2486
01:20:55,101 --> 01:20:56,966
The criminal hackers... this
2487
01:20:56,967 --> 01:20:58,599
is not some lone idiot, you
2488
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,166
know, hunkered down like
2489
01:21:00,167 --> 01:21:02,066
beavis or butt-head, cackling at
2490
01:21:02,067 --> 01:21:03,732
midnight over his computer.
2491
01:21:03,733 --> 01:21:05,432
There are a few of those but
2492
01:21:05,433 --> 01:21:06,466
it's organized.
2493
01:21:06,467 --> 01:21:07,999
There are ad hoc contract
2494
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,000
workers.
2495
01:21:09,001 --> 01:21:10,132
It comes out of Russia, comes
2496
01:21:10,133 --> 01:21:11,232
out of Romania, comes out of
2497
01:21:11,233 --> 01:21:13,632
Iran... comes out of wherever.
2498
01:21:13,633 --> 01:21:16,066
But they work on behalf of the
2499
01:21:16,067 --> 01:21:18,199
usual criminal enterprises
2500
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:19,200
the computer-security
2501
01:21:19,201 --> 01:21:20,399
industry has just been growing
2502
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,666
and growing and growing over the
2503
01:21:21,667 --> 01:21:24,033
last, you know, 10, 15 years.
2504
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:27,766
There's $10 billion companies in
2505
01:21:27,767 --> 01:21:29,299
the computer-security industry.
2506
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:30,666
I don't know what the total
2507
01:21:30,667 --> 01:21:31,832
market cap is, but it's
2508
01:21:31,833 --> 01:21:33,232
certainly in the billions of
2509
01:21:33,233 --> 01:21:33,800
dollars.
2510
01:21:33,801 --> 01:21:35,699
Black hat, when I first started
2511
01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:37,632
coming, like 15 years ago, there
2512
01:21:37,633 --> 01:21:39,032
was, like, 500 people.
2513
01:21:39,033 --> 01:21:40,932
And there's 8,500 people today.
2514
01:21:40,933 --> 01:21:42,832
So, every year, more and more
2515
01:21:42,833 --> 01:21:44,866
people come to learn about what
2516
01:21:44,867 --> 01:21:46,032
are the attacks.
2517
01:21:46,033 --> 01:21:47,899
Companies come to, you know,
2518
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:49,199
sell new products.
2519
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,099
And the government is coming,
2520
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:52,899
saying, "we want to recruit"
2521
01:21:52,900 --> 01:21:54,766
you to come be our new cyber
2522
01:21:54,767 --> 01:21:55,600
"warriors."
2523
01:21:55,601 --> 01:21:57,366
The kind of thing that drives
2524
01:21:57,367 --> 01:21:58,766
people to something like
2525
01:21:58,767 --> 01:22:00,432
anonymous is that sense that
2526
01:22:00,433 --> 01:22:02,032
their government is going to
2527
01:22:02,033 --> 01:22:03,699
watch them every moment of the
2528
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:05,099
day and, in America, our
2529
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:06,799
government is kind of watching
2530
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:07,800
us all the time.
2531
01:22:07,801 --> 01:22:09,566
Like, we now know that with the
2532
01:22:09,567 --> 01:22:10,932
warrantless wiretapping.
2533
01:22:10,933 --> 01:22:13,166
You know, we live under constant
2534
01:22:13,167 --> 01:22:13,833
cctvs.
2535
01:22:13,834 --> 01:22:16,066
We have that sense that not only
2536
01:22:16,067 --> 01:22:18,199
are we being tracked, but it's
2537
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,366
about to get a lot worse.
2538
01:22:21,367 --> 01:22:23,166
The NSA has embraced domestic
2539
01:22:23,167 --> 01:22:23,767
spying.
2540
01:22:23,768 --> 01:22:25,299
They're building a giant
2541
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:26,566
spy center in Utah.
2542
01:22:26,567 --> 01:22:28,332
And the only thing... the only
2543
01:22:28,333 --> 01:22:30,066
thing... that even gives them
2544
01:22:30,067 --> 01:22:34,066
pause is encryption.
2545
01:22:34,067 --> 01:22:35,999
Anonymous gives people a way to
2546
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,832
exist outside of this system.
2547
01:22:37,833 --> 01:22:39,566
There's a certain online
2548
01:22:39,567 --> 01:22:41,566
culture that believes in certain
2549
01:22:41,567 --> 01:22:42,966
values like freedom of
2550
01:22:42,967 --> 01:22:43,833
expression.
2551
01:22:43,834 --> 01:22:45,566
They're against corruption.
2552
01:22:45,567 --> 01:22:47,266
They're against governments
2553
01:22:47,267 --> 01:22:48,999
controlling their citizens.
2554
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,866
And when they see those values
2555
01:22:50,867 --> 01:22:52,566
harmed in some way by some
2556
01:22:52,567 --> 01:22:54,366
organization, the hacktivists
2557
01:22:54,367 --> 01:22:57,366
strike back.
2558
01:22:57,367 --> 01:22:58,699
16 people were arrested
2559
01:22:58,700 --> 01:22:59,700
today.
2560
01:22:59,833 --> 01:23:01,466
Dozens of FBI agents targeted
2561
01:23:01,467 --> 01:23:03,099
alleged members of a loose-knit
2562
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:03,933
hacking group.
2563
01:23:03,934 --> 01:23:05,366
Armed with search warrants,
2564
01:23:05,367 --> 01:23:06,599
agents hit six homes in.
2565
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,166
New York, along with locations
2566
01:23:08,167 --> 01:23:09,433
across the country.
2567
01:23:09,567 --> 01:23:11,266
The people arrested yesterday
2568
01:23:11,267 --> 01:23:12,799
were suspected of attacking.
2569
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,299
PayPal's website after the
2570
01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:15,866
company shut off payments to
2571
01:23:15,867 --> 01:23:16,600
wikileaks.
2572
01:23:16,601 --> 01:23:18,299
Defenders of the hackers say
2573
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:20,032
they're merely engaged in civil
2574
01:23:20,033 --> 01:23:21,766
protest, but FBI officials worry
2575
01:23:21,767 --> 01:23:23,332
the disruptive cyber attacks
2576
01:23:23,333 --> 01:23:24,999
could move in a more dangerous
2577
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,000
direction.
2578
01:23:26,067 --> 01:23:27,132
So, the FBI shows up.
2579
01:23:27,133 --> 01:23:28,466
It's 6:00 in the morning, and it
2580
01:23:28,467 --> 01:23:29,400
was really obnoxious.
2581
01:23:29,401 --> 01:23:31,466
And I remember being frustrated
2582
01:23:31,467 --> 01:23:33,299
and angry because there was
2583
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:35,199
nothing that I had done that
2584
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,032
would have justified an FBI
2585
01:23:37,033 --> 01:23:38,067
search warrant.
2586
01:23:38,267 --> 01:23:41,932
They came and... Guns blazing
2587
01:23:41,933 --> 01:23:43,799
and all this other good stuff...
2588
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,099
Busted down the door.
2589
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:46,932
I immediately just dropped down
2590
01:23:46,933 --> 01:23:48,099
on the floor, 180.
2591
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:49,966
I wasn't trying to fight nobody.
2592
01:23:49,967 --> 01:23:51,299
The theory of the case is
2593
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:52,799
they were, you know... they
2594
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,966
flooded... "a number of people"
2595
01:23:54,967 --> 01:23:57,132
flooded access to PayPal,
2596
01:23:57,133 --> 01:23:58,466
thereby creating economic
2597
01:23:58,467 --> 01:24:00,166
distress to a protected
2598
01:24:00,167 --> 01:24:01,232
"corporation."
2599
01:24:01,233 --> 01:24:02,233
End of story.
2600
01:24:02,234 --> 01:24:04,299
This isn't... this is not a case
2601
01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:05,999
involving identity theft,
2602
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,666
involving outing e-mails,
2603
01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:09,632
involving violating privilege,
2604
01:24:09,633 --> 01:24:11,466
involving theft of services,
2605
01:24:11,467 --> 01:24:13,366
involving, you know, shutting
2606
01:24:13,367 --> 01:24:14,966
down business.
2607
01:24:14,967 --> 01:24:18,132
It is a pure case of Internet or
2608
01:24:18,133 --> 01:24:19,732
cyber sit-ins.
2609
01:24:19,733 --> 01:24:21,366
I think when barrack Obama gets
2610
01:24:21,367 --> 01:24:22,932
on television and says, "flood"
2611
01:24:22,933 --> 01:24:24,566
the switchboard, shut down the
2612
01:24:24,567 --> 01:24:25,666
Republicans, send the
2613
01:24:25,667 --> 01:24:27,399
"message"... that's legal.
2614
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,566
And even if you accept what the
2615
01:24:29,567 --> 01:24:30,899
theory of this prosecution is,
2616
01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:31,833
it's no different.
2617
01:24:31,834 --> 01:24:34,166
This is an electronic sit-in at
2618
01:24:34,167 --> 01:24:35,567
its finest.
2619
01:24:35,733 --> 01:24:37,232
So, what I'm facing is a
2620
01:24:37,233 --> 01:24:40,399
felony... 15 years in federal
2621
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:45,066
prison and a $250,000 fine.
2622
01:24:45,067 --> 01:24:46,599
If you're a pedophile, the
2623
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:47,866
average is 11 years.
2624
01:24:47,867 --> 01:24:48,999
That's ridiculous.
2625
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,566
I mean, you can go molest
2626
01:24:50,567 --> 01:24:52,066
children and get less of a
2627
01:24:52,067 --> 01:24:55,899
sentence than you would for
2628
01:24:55,900 --> 01:24:58,032
breaking into someone's phone.
2629
01:24:58,033 --> 01:24:59,366
If you... even if you accept
2630
01:24:59,367 --> 01:25:00,799
what the government is saying is
2631
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,999
true, what is important is that
2632
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,232
people are participating in the
2633
01:25:05,233 --> 01:25:06,033
process.
2634
01:25:06,034 --> 01:25:08,932
It is very much the process.
2635
01:25:08,933 --> 01:25:11,466
It is sitting in at a counter in
2636
01:25:11,467 --> 01:25:13,666
Selma, Alabama, 500 freedom
2637
01:25:13,667 --> 01:25:15,599
riders refusing to allow people
2638
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,399
to go sit in at a segregated
2639
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,432
lunch counter.
2640
01:25:18,433 --> 01:25:19,932
They write books about that
2641
01:25:19,933 --> 01:25:20,433
stuff.
2642
01:25:20,434 --> 01:25:22,132
It is demonstrating at a street
2643
01:25:22,133 --> 01:25:23,932
corner saying no to a war.
2644
01:25:23,933 --> 01:25:25,799
It's just a different... it's
2645
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:26,999
just a different vehicle.
2646
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,032
It's the same result.
2647
01:25:28,033 --> 01:25:29,166
You know, I would never
2648
01:25:29,167 --> 01:25:30,432
compare myself to people like
2649
01:25:30,433 --> 01:25:30,933
Gandhi or.
2650
01:25:30,934 --> 01:25:32,299
Dr. Martin Luther King, but they
2651
01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:33,599
were one person, and they were
2652
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:34,966
willing to go out and change the
2653
01:25:34,967 --> 01:25:36,366
world.
2654
01:25:36,367 --> 01:25:38,266
And their messages live on every
2655
01:25:38,267 --> 01:25:40,066
day through everybody.
2656
01:25:40,067 --> 01:25:41,566
And to not take the chance of
2657
01:25:41,567 --> 01:25:43,232
having something like that to do
2658
01:25:43,233 --> 01:25:44,566
is foolish.
2659
01:25:44,567 --> 01:25:47,966
I only wish we had 50 million
2660
01:25:47,967 --> 01:25:48,900
Mercedes haefer.
2661
01:25:48,901 --> 01:25:50,566
I'd feel a lot more comfortable
2662
01:25:50,567 --> 01:25:52,032
as a guy getting towards the
2663
01:25:52,033 --> 01:25:53,632
tail end of his career if there
2664
01:25:53,633 --> 01:25:54,732
were more Mercedes.
2665
01:25:54,733 --> 01:25:56,399
There's always gonna be legal
2666
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,132
consequence when you decide to
2667
01:25:58,133 --> 01:25:59,067
break the law.
2668
01:25:59,068 --> 01:26:01,866
That comes with the territory.
2669
01:26:01,867 --> 01:26:03,599
And it would be naive not to
2670
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:04,567
expect that.
2671
01:26:04,568 --> 01:26:06,832
The question is whether the
2672
01:26:06,833 --> 01:26:09,432
punishment will be proportional
2673
01:26:09,433 --> 01:26:11,566
to the crime.
2674
01:26:11,567 --> 01:26:13,766
And I suspect it might not be.
2675
01:26:13,767 --> 01:26:15,832
People will be watching very
2676
01:26:15,833 --> 01:26:18,032
closely to see how these cases
2677
01:26:18,033 --> 01:26:20,666
proceed on what grounds and
2678
01:26:20,667 --> 01:26:22,732
whether there's any room during
2679
01:26:22,733 --> 01:26:24,799
the trials to think especially
2680
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,899
of the denial-of-service attacks
2681
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:31,066
as a legitimate form of protest.
2682
01:26:31,067 --> 01:26:33,566
So much of our lives are now
2683
01:26:33,567 --> 01:26:35,299
configured at least in part on
2684
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:37,232
the Internet, so we better start
2685
01:26:37,233 --> 01:26:38,899
thinking about how we claim
2686
01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:40,766
parts of the Internet as spaces
2687
01:26:40,767 --> 01:26:42,833
that we can also protest.
2688
01:27:05,167 --> 01:27:08,232
This is the point in history
2689
01:27:08,233 --> 01:27:12,699
at which you decide whether or
2690
01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:14,332
not protesting is possible
2691
01:27:14,333 --> 01:27:14,967
online.
2692
01:27:14,968 --> 01:27:16,766
You can stand up, and you can
2693
01:27:16,767 --> 01:27:18,732
say freedom of speech extends to
2694
01:27:18,733 --> 01:27:19,300
online.
2695
01:27:19,301 --> 01:27:20,799
We have the right to not be
2696
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,299
monitored by our government
2697
01:27:22,300 --> 01:27:23,666
because of our opinions.
2698
01:27:23,667 --> 01:27:26,099
It's up to you.
2699
01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:27,599
You're in the position of
2700
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,267
huck Finn.
2701
01:27:28,268 --> 01:27:29,966
Do you remember huck Finn at the
2702
01:27:29,967 --> 01:27:30,900
end of the book?
2703
01:27:30,901 --> 01:27:32,566
He's told he's got to take that
2704
01:27:32,567 --> 01:27:33,666
slave and give it back.
2705
01:27:33,667 --> 01:27:34,999
Two things will happen if he
2706
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:35,567
doesn't.
2707
01:27:35,568 --> 01:27:36,832
One... legally, he'll go to
2708
01:27:36,833 --> 01:27:38,832
jail, as Jim is property.
2709
01:27:38,833 --> 01:27:40,566
Two... he'll be damned eternally
2710
01:27:40,567 --> 01:27:42,299
and burn in hellfire 'cause he's
2711
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:44,032
in an Evangelical environment in
2712
01:27:44,033 --> 01:27:44,700
Missouri.
2713
01:27:44,701 --> 01:27:46,432
And huck smokes his corncob pipe
2714
01:27:46,433 --> 01:27:47,932
all night, thinks about it.
2715
01:27:47,933 --> 01:27:49,366
And next morning, he says,
2716
01:27:49,367 --> 01:27:51,099
"well, damn it, I'll go to hell,
2717
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:51,600
then."
2718
01:27:51,601 --> 01:27:53,832
In other words, he discovered
2719
01:27:53,833 --> 01:27:56,232
that in order to be an expert at
2720
01:27:56,233 --> 01:27:58,632
ethics, you had to transcend the
2721
01:27:58,633 --> 01:28:00,999
legal and sanctioned religious
2722
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,399
appropriate truths of the day in
2723
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,666
order to access the meta truth
2724
01:28:05,667 --> 01:28:07,299
of both legality and
2725
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:08,566
righteousness.
2726
01:28:08,567 --> 01:28:10,099
Well, hackers see themselves as
2727
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:11,632
huck putting down that corncob
2728
01:28:11,633 --> 01:28:13,066
pipe and saying, "all right",
2729
01:28:13,067 --> 01:28:13,967
I'll go to jail.
2730
01:28:13,968 --> 01:28:15,366
All right, I'll go to hell.
2731
01:28:15,367 --> 01:28:16,699
But I'm gonna do the right
2732
01:28:16,700 --> 01:28:17,233
"thing."
2733
01:28:17,234 --> 01:28:18,799
I suppose the question you
2734
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,432
really want to ask is, would I
2735
01:28:20,433 --> 01:28:22,899
do it again?
2736
01:28:22,900 --> 01:28:24,232
And honestly, after thinking
2737
01:28:24,233 --> 01:28:28,099
about it, I felt that I did what
2738
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:29,067
was right.
2739
01:28:29,068 --> 01:28:31,432
I had a belief... I still do...
2740
01:28:31,433 --> 01:28:33,632
That what I did was the right
2741
01:28:33,633 --> 01:28:34,367
thing.
2742
01:28:34,368 --> 01:28:36,032
And hopefully someone got some
2743
01:28:36,033 --> 01:28:36,967
good out of it.
2744
01:28:36,968 --> 01:28:38,699
You know, I'd love to think that
2745
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:40,266
maybe I stopped someone from
2746
01:28:40,267 --> 01:28:41,666
joining a cult, you know.
2747
01:28:41,667 --> 01:28:43,399
Probably wouldn't tell on myself
2748
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:44,899
next time, but, you know, I
2749
01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:46,632
don't think I would have changed
2750
01:28:46,633 --> 01:28:48,232
a single thing other than the
2751
01:28:48,233 --> 01:28:49,666
whole "talking to the FBI"
2752
01:28:49,667 --> 01:28:50,966
thing.
2753
01:28:50,967 --> 01:28:52,299
Just that little detail.
2754
01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:53,766
Yeah, just the little detail
2755
01:28:53,767 --> 01:28:55,299
that kind of changed everything.
2756
01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:55,700
Yeah.
2757
01:28:55,701 --> 01:29:00,732
I'm angry.
2758
01:29:00,733 --> 01:29:03,432
Occasionally, I have small
2759
01:29:03,433 --> 01:29:08,899
breakdown moments of terror.
2760
01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:11,066
But I haven't stopped believing
2761
01:29:11,067 --> 01:29:12,266
what I believe.
2762
01:29:12,267 --> 01:29:14,266
I haven't stopped wanting to
2763
01:29:14,267 --> 01:29:14,933
fight.
2764
01:29:14,934 --> 01:29:17,133
I haven't stopped caring.
2765
01:29:17,333 --> 01:29:18,699
Show me what democracy looks
2766
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:19,100
like!
2767
01:29:19,101 --> 01:29:20,566
All: This is what democracy
2768
01:29:20,567 --> 01:29:21,733
looks like!
2769
01:29:21,933 --> 01:29:23,932
Show me what democracy looks
2770
01:29:23,933 --> 01:29:28,232
like!
2771
01:29:28,233 --> 01:29:32,166
We got sold out!
2772
01:29:32,167 --> 01:29:33,732
I don't think this whole
2773
01:29:33,733 --> 01:29:35,366
issue is a technical hacking
2774
01:29:35,367 --> 01:29:35,900
thing.
2775
01:29:35,901 --> 01:29:37,566
This is more about human
2776
01:29:37,567 --> 01:29:39,232
philosophy and psychology,
2777
01:29:39,233 --> 01:29:41,066
what's motivating us, why is
2778
01:29:41,067 --> 01:29:43,199
there so much unrest or
2779
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:44,899
disenfranchisement or anger that
2780
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:46,432
would lead people to want to
2781
01:29:46,433 --> 01:29:47,899
take matters into their own
2782
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:49,132
hands and join them.
2783
01:29:49,133 --> 01:29:50,666
Whether you think it's bad or
2784
01:29:50,667 --> 01:29:51,699
not is irrelevant.
2785
01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:52,832
It's not going away.
2786
01:29:52,833 --> 01:29:54,132
I have stood upon the
2787
01:29:54,133 --> 01:29:56,566
mountaintop known as anonymous
2788
01:29:56,567 --> 01:29:58,432
and looked down on a world
2789
01:29:58,433 --> 01:30:00,300
enflamed with revolution.
2790
01:30:04,300 --> 01:30:05,233
What can you say?
2791
01:30:05,234 --> 01:30:06,699
Your spine tingles when you're
2792
01:30:06,700 --> 01:30:07,866
at the cusp of history.
2793
01:30:07,867 --> 01:30:09,332
When you're surfing, you know,
2794
01:30:09,333 --> 01:30:10,866
the waves of history, your spine
2795
01:30:10,867 --> 01:30:12,733
tingles.
2796
01:31:10,467 --> 01:31:12,066
Descent has a face now.
2797
01:31:12,067 --> 01:31:13,332
It has an aesthetic.
2798
01:31:13,333 --> 01:31:15,232
There's this package it can pick
2799
01:31:15,233 --> 01:31:18,432
up and put on anywhere in the
2800
01:31:18,433 --> 01:31:20,566
world for any cause it wants.
2801
01:31:20,567 --> 01:31:21,899
And sometimes that's gonna be
2802
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:23,266
terrible, and sometimes it's
2803
01:31:23,267 --> 01:31:24,399
going to be wonderful.
2804
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:25,899
One thing I can kind of promise
2805
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:26,966
is that it's gonna be
2806
01:31:26,967 --> 01:31:28,266
interesting.
2807
01:31:28,267 --> 01:31:29,699
It's rare in history that new
2808
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:31,232
things happen, but I think this
2809
01:31:31,233 --> 01:31:33,932
is one of them.
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01:31:33,933 --> 01:31:35,632
If you have power in real
2811
01:31:35,633 --> 01:31:37,566
life and you have money in real
2812
01:31:37,567 --> 01:31:39,132
life, you know, it doesn't
2813
01:31:39,133 --> 01:31:40,999
fucking matter on the Internet.
2814
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,932
What matters on the Internet is
2815
01:31:42,933 --> 01:31:45,366
your actual ideas, you know, how
2816
01:31:45,367 --> 01:31:47,266
smart you are, the quality of
2817
01:31:47,267 --> 01:31:48,267
you.
2818
01:31:48,333 --> 01:31:49,999
And when certain organizations
2819
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,666
that, you know... they want to
2820
01:31:51,667 --> 01:31:53,232
extend their real-life power
2821
01:31:53,233 --> 01:31:54,766
onto the Internet, it's not
2822
01:31:54,767 --> 01:31:56,399
gonna fucking take because of
2823
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,267
anonymous.
2824
01:32:34,467 --> 01:32:36,566
I don't care if you're a
2825
01:32:36,567 --> 01:32:38,866
democrat or a republican or an
2826
01:32:38,867 --> 01:32:40,899
independent or if you like
2827
01:32:40,900 --> 01:32:42,899
Ron Paul or if you worship
2828
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:45,632
pigeons or scientology or if
2829
01:32:45,633 --> 01:32:48,466
you're catholic or atheist or
2830
01:32:48,467 --> 01:32:49,467
methodist.
2831
01:32:49,567 --> 01:32:51,799
I don't care about that.
2832
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:52,966
Your opinion matters.
2833
01:32:52,967 --> 01:32:54,599
I don't care if I disagree with
2834
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:54,967
it.
2835
01:32:54,968 --> 01:32:56,432
I don't care if I hate your
2836
01:32:56,433 --> 01:32:58,166
guts.
2837
01:32:58,167 --> 01:33:00,333
Your opinion matters.
2838
01:33:24,700 --> 01:33:26,166
Is there going to be any
2839
01:33:26,167 --> 01:33:27,067
further action?
2840
01:33:27,068 --> 01:33:28,732
I mean, does anonymous intend to
2841
01:33:28,733 --> 01:33:32,099
prove that they can, in fact,
2842
01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:34,032
manipulate the westboro baptist
2843
01:33:34,033 --> 01:33:35,732
church network of websites?
2844
01:33:35,733 --> 01:33:37,266
What can we expect going
2845
01:33:37,267 --> 01:33:38,866
forward, anonymous?
2846
01:33:38,867 --> 01:33:41,132
Actually, I'm working on that
2847
01:33:41,133 --> 01:33:42,033
right now.
2848
01:33:42,034 --> 01:33:44,132
He's working on that right
2849
01:33:44,133 --> 01:33:44,667
now!
2850
01:33:44,667 --> 01:33:45,300
Oh, yay.
2851
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:46,300
So, hold on.
2852
01:33:46,301 --> 01:33:48,099
I am getting a thumbs up from my
2853
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,832
producer that there has been a
2854
01:33:49,833 --> 01:33:51,566
message posted that appears to
2855
01:33:51,567 --> 01:33:53,932
be from anonymous on downloads.
2856
01:33:53,933 --> 01:33:55,699
Westborobaptistchurch.com.
2857
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:57,266
Anonymous, are you taking
2858
01:33:57,267 --> 01:33:58,766
responsibility for this?
2859
01:33:58,767 --> 01:33:59,400
Yep.
2860
01:33:59,401 --> 01:34:01,232
We just did it right now this
2861
01:34:01,233 --> 01:34:02,100
very second.
2862
01:34:02,101 --> 01:34:03,599
That is so special.
2863
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,467
That's so special.
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