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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,033 --> 00:00:17,699 It was 6:00 in the morning. 2 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:19,699 I got a knock on my door... a 3 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:21,499 really loud knock... and I 4 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,532 thought it was my dad, who had 5 00:00:23,533 --> 00:00:25,932 locked himself out or something. 6 00:00:25,933 --> 00:00:28,032 So I opened it, and it's the. 7 00:00:28,033 --> 00:00:30,032 I.e.d. Flashlights and the 8 00:00:30,033 --> 00:00:32,232 really obnoxious bullet-proof 9 00:00:32,233 --> 00:00:34,366 vest and the dragging me out 10 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:36,699 into the cold when I'm in my 11 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:37,866 pajamas. 12 00:00:37,867 --> 00:00:41,032 That was not fun. 13 00:00:41,033 --> 00:00:42,566 They seemed pretty shocked by 14 00:00:42,567 --> 00:00:43,999 the sarcastic, belligerent, 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,699 angry teenager that they dragged 16 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:46,833 out of bed that day. 17 00:00:47,500 --> 00:00:49,166 I don't know if it's just that I 18 00:00:49,167 --> 00:00:52,999 was 19 or that I was a girl, but 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,033 they didn't expect... This. 20 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:02,966 10,000 angry kids... whoever 21 00:01:02,967 --> 00:01:05,832 they are, they scared the shit 22 00:01:05,833 --> 00:01:08,666 out of some people those days. 23 00:01:08,667 --> 00:01:10,599 They scared the shit out of the 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,566 powers that be, and that's why 25 00:01:12,567 --> 00:01:14,232 this is being investigated. 26 00:01:14,233 --> 00:01:15,632 That's why I'm under 27 00:01:15,633 --> 00:01:18,299 indictment. 28 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:21,866 That's it, because between the 29 00:01:21,867 --> 00:01:24,832 days of December 6th and 30 00:01:24,833 --> 00:01:28,332 December 10th, 10,000 angry 31 00:01:28,333 --> 00:01:30,732 people proved to the government 32 00:01:30,733 --> 00:01:32,999 that their regulations, their 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,232 ideas, their view of PayPal, 34 00:01:35,233 --> 00:01:37,566 their view of wikileaks, their 35 00:01:37,567 --> 00:01:39,699 view of the Afghan war, and 36 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:42,032 Egypt and Tunisia and Libya... 37 00:01:42,033 --> 00:01:43,299 It didn't... Matter. 38 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:45,232 Their opinion no longer mattered 39 00:01:45,233 --> 00:01:47,066 because someone was out on the 40 00:01:47,067 --> 00:01:48,600 Internet kicking ass. 41 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:54,832 The computer hacker group 42 00:01:54,833 --> 00:01:56,399 anonymous is claiming tonight 43 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,132 that it took down the website of 44 00:01:58,133 --> 00:01:59,732 the federal appeals court in 45 00:01:59,733 --> 00:02:01,299 San Francisco this afternoon. 46 00:02:01,300 --> 00:02:03,032 They took down senate. Gov 47 00:02:03,033 --> 00:02:04,732 servers, they've taken down 48 00:02:04,733 --> 00:02:06,699 hbgary, Sony's claiming they did 49 00:02:06,700 --> 00:02:08,566 $150 million worth of damage. 50 00:02:08,567 --> 00:02:10,132 So many confidential files 51 00:02:10,133 --> 00:02:11,799 that tonight, because of these 52 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,566 hackers, can be in the hands of 53 00:02:13,567 --> 00:02:14,100 anyone. 54 00:02:14,101 --> 00:02:15,932 Visa, mastercard, the PayPal 55 00:02:15,933 --> 00:02:16,700 situation. 56 00:02:16,701 --> 00:02:18,032 The criminals who hacked into 57 00:02:18,033 --> 00:02:22,032 Sarah Palin's private e-mail. 58 00:02:22,033 --> 00:02:23,766 The church of scientology 59 00:02:23,767 --> 00:02:25,032 says anonymous is a 60 00:02:25,033 --> 00:02:26,566 cyber-terrorist group of 61 00:02:26,567 --> 00:02:27,732 religious bigots. 62 00:02:27,733 --> 00:02:29,232 Anonymous and this other 63 00:02:29,233 --> 00:02:30,766 group called lulzsec... they 64 00:02:30,767 --> 00:02:32,332 seem to be wanting to prove a 65 00:02:32,333 --> 00:02:35,033 point. 66 00:02:35,233 --> 00:02:36,866 Anonymous kind of was like 67 00:02:36,867 --> 00:02:38,566 the big, strong, buff kid who 68 00:02:38,567 --> 00:02:40,132 had low self-esteem, and then 69 00:02:40,133 --> 00:02:41,566 all of a sudden, punched 70 00:02:41,567 --> 00:02:43,099 somebody in the face and was 71 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:44,699 like, "holy shit, I'm really" 72 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:45,700 strong!" 73 00:02:48,633 --> 00:02:50,266 And anonymous calls itself "the" 74 00:02:50,267 --> 00:02:51,966 "final boss of the Internet," and 75 00:02:51,967 --> 00:02:53,332 sometimes if proves to be 76 00:02:53,333 --> 00:02:55,832 really fucking true. 77 00:02:55,833 --> 00:02:57,132 If you are going to violate the 78 00:02:57,133 --> 00:02:58,332 freedoms of the Internet, you 79 00:02:58,333 --> 00:02:59,699 certainly better watch the fuck 80 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:00,700 out. 81 00:03:00,767 --> 00:03:02,432 They are kind of the rude 82 00:03:02,433 --> 00:03:05,766 boys of activism. 83 00:03:05,767 --> 00:03:08,132 There's a real rough edge to 84 00:03:08,133 --> 00:03:10,699 them, which I think also is one 85 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:13,199 reason why they garner so much 86 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,799 love and hate from people, too. 87 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,432 They represent a certain sort of 88 00:03:18,433 --> 00:03:21,432 chaotic freedom. 89 00:03:21,433 --> 00:03:23,732 Individual, young, nameless, 90 00:03:23,733 --> 00:03:25,666 faceless folks are having 91 00:03:25,667 --> 00:03:27,266 geopolitical impact. 92 00:03:27,267 --> 00:03:29,566 I mean, it's both exhilarating 93 00:03:29,567 --> 00:03:31,766 to realize that and terrifying 94 00:03:31,767 --> 00:03:33,132 to realize that. 95 00:03:33,133 --> 00:03:35,366 It kind of depends on how that 96 00:03:35,367 --> 00:03:37,566 power is wielded. 97 00:03:37,567 --> 00:03:40,566 We are legion. 98 00:03:40,567 --> 00:03:42,299 We do not forget. 99 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:44,333 Expect us. 100 00:03:48,867 --> 00:03:51,366 We stand for freedom. 101 00:03:51,367 --> 00:03:53,166 We stand for freedom of speech, 102 00:03:53,167 --> 00:03:54,832 the power of the people, the 103 00:03:54,833 --> 00:03:56,466 ability for them to protest 104 00:03:56,467 --> 00:03:58,132 against their government, to 105 00:03:58,133 --> 00:03:59,033 right wrongs. 106 00:03:59,034 --> 00:04:00,966 No censorship, especially online 107 00:04:00,967 --> 00:04:02,567 but also in real life. 108 00:04:05,067 --> 00:04:08,066 We have members throughout 109 00:04:08,067 --> 00:04:09,699 society, in all stratas of it 110 00:04:09,700 --> 00:04:10,433 worldwide. 111 00:04:10,434 --> 00:04:11,999 Yeah, we have no leadership. 112 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,632 It's one voice... it's not 113 00:04:13,633 --> 00:04:14,732 individual voices. 114 00:04:14,733 --> 00:04:16,332 That's why we don't show our 115 00:04:16,333 --> 00:04:18,066 faces, that's why we don't give 116 00:04:18,067 --> 00:04:18,767 our names. 117 00:04:18,768 --> 00:04:20,066 We're speaking as one. 118 00:04:20,067 --> 00:04:22,066 It's a collective. 119 00:04:22,067 --> 00:04:23,400 Good timing. 120 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:51,066 I got called a terrorist 121 00:04:51,067 --> 00:04:51,733 sympathizer. 122 00:04:51,734 --> 00:04:53,566 We've been called kids, we've 123 00:04:53,567 --> 00:04:55,599 been called cyber-bullies, we've 124 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,566 been called hooligans, and, you 125 00:04:57,567 --> 00:04:59,299 know, sometimes those words 126 00:04:59,300 --> 00:05:01,366 aren't entirely unfair, but this 127 00:05:01,367 --> 00:05:03,366 is a serious political movement. 128 00:05:03,367 --> 00:05:05,332 No one in the general public 129 00:05:05,333 --> 00:05:06,866 really seems to get it. 130 00:05:06,867 --> 00:05:08,766 What they don't seem to get is 131 00:05:08,767 --> 00:05:10,666 that the ability for anonymous 132 00:05:10,667 --> 00:05:12,666 to be everything and anything is 133 00:05:12,667 --> 00:05:14,332 it's power. 134 00:05:14,333 --> 00:05:15,799 Anonymous is a series of 135 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,366 relationships... hundreds and 136 00:05:17,367 --> 00:05:19,032 hundreds of people who are very 137 00:05:19,033 --> 00:05:20,466 active in it, and who have 138 00:05:20,467 --> 00:05:22,166 varying skill sets, and who have 139 00:05:22,167 --> 00:05:23,632 varying issues they want to 140 00:05:23,633 --> 00:05:24,732 advance and who are 141 00:05:24,733 --> 00:05:26,399 collaborating in different ways 142 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,033 each day. 143 00:05:27,034 --> 00:05:28,666 They're a little bit like a 144 00:05:28,667 --> 00:05:30,132 prism or a kaleidoscope... 145 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:31,566 They're got many different 146 00:05:31,567 --> 00:05:33,299 facets and many different sides. 147 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:35,199 Of course, when you spend enough 148 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,132 time with them, you start to get 149 00:05:37,133 --> 00:05:39,032 a sort of feel or texture that's 150 00:05:39,033 --> 00:05:41,032 not just random, right? 151 00:05:41,033 --> 00:05:43,032 Yet it's very multifaceted, 152 00:05:43,033 --> 00:05:45,666 very rich, which does span from 153 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:48,132 the quite lighthearted to the 154 00:05:48,133 --> 00:05:52,632 very, very serious. 155 00:05:52,633 --> 00:05:54,266 Bob Dylan had a line in his 156 00:05:54,267 --> 00:05:55,966 song, to sing, "to live outside" 157 00:05:55,967 --> 00:05:57,566 the law, you must be honest." 158 00:05:57,567 --> 00:05:59,166 They might do something which 159 00:05:59,167 --> 00:06:00,699 isn't technically correct, 160 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:02,366 maybe it's not legally correct, 161 00:06:02,367 --> 00:06:03,732 but they're doing it for 162 00:06:03,733 --> 00:06:05,466 purposes that, in their minds at 163 00:06:05,467 --> 00:06:06,599 least, are ethical. 164 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,299 People who know what they're 165 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:10,666 doing, who share an ethos, who 166 00:06:10,667 --> 00:06:12,932 have a commitment to exposing 167 00:06:12,933 --> 00:06:15,299 and humiliating "the man," who 168 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:17,566 have a very low tolerance of 169 00:06:17,567 --> 00:06:19,866 lies and what they perceive as 170 00:06:19,867 --> 00:06:22,299 evil on the part of overweening 171 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:24,799 power structures. 172 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,266 They share information, they 173 00:06:26,267 --> 00:06:27,866 share tools and techniques, and 174 00:06:27,867 --> 00:06:29,566 they are currently having a very 175 00:06:29,567 --> 00:06:33,032 good time. 176 00:06:33,033 --> 00:06:35,366 They hacker culture, as we 177 00:06:35,367 --> 00:06:37,832 know it, really sprang from one 178 00:06:37,833 --> 00:06:38,600 place. 179 00:06:38,601 --> 00:06:40,632 It was m.I.T., and it was 180 00:06:40,633 --> 00:06:43,032 specifically the people in the 181 00:06:43,033 --> 00:06:45,032 model-railroad club, the 182 00:06:45,033 --> 00:06:48,233 tech-model-railroad club. 183 00:06:48,433 --> 00:06:49,799 Hacking originated as 184 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,566 humorous pranks when the guys at 185 00:06:51,567 --> 00:06:53,099 m.i.t. Put a Volkswagen up on 186 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:54,832 top of the dome of the building, 187 00:06:54,833 --> 00:06:56,466 and people woke up and saw the 188 00:06:56,467 --> 00:06:57,999 car up there in the morning. 189 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,799 Or they measured a bridge by the 190 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,299 body lengths of somebody, I 191 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:02,899 would say his name was Brian, 192 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:04,566 and discovered the bridge over 193 00:07:04,567 --> 00:07:05,732 the Charles river was 194 00:07:05,733 --> 00:07:07,066 822 Brians. 195 00:07:07,067 --> 00:07:08,699 These are funny things. 196 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:10,832 That's where hacking originated, 197 00:07:10,833 --> 00:07:12,966 and it migrated into engineering 198 00:07:12,967 --> 00:07:14,699 and computer communities. 199 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:18,566 It's witty. It's pranks. 200 00:07:18,567 --> 00:07:20,566 Basically, Microsoft and 201 00:07:20,567 --> 00:07:22,432 apple both got their entire 202 00:07:22,433 --> 00:07:24,266 start off computer crime. 203 00:07:24,267 --> 00:07:26,566 Bill Gates stole pretty much all 204 00:07:26,567 --> 00:07:27,467 of ms-dos. 205 00:07:27,468 --> 00:07:29,566 Steve Jobs... he was creating 206 00:07:29,567 --> 00:07:31,432 boxes to defraud the phone 207 00:07:31,433 --> 00:07:34,766 company. 208 00:07:34,767 --> 00:07:36,232 I always saw hacking as 209 00:07:36,233 --> 00:07:37,566 implicitly political. 210 00:07:37,567 --> 00:07:38,866 Hackers, whether they're 211 00:07:38,867 --> 00:07:40,332 conscious about it or not, 212 00:07:40,333 --> 00:07:41,999 whether they're explicit about 213 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,566 it or not, make a statement 214 00:07:43,567 --> 00:07:44,966 about how we should treat 215 00:07:44,967 --> 00:07:46,299 information. 216 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:48,032 And some years after my book 217 00:07:48,033 --> 00:07:49,832 came out, one of the people I 218 00:07:49,833 --> 00:07:51,666 wrote about, Richard stallman, 219 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:53,032 got very publicly and 220 00:07:53,033 --> 00:07:54,666 explicitly political about 221 00:07:54,667 --> 00:07:55,400 software. 222 00:07:55,401 --> 00:07:57,166 And he believed that software 223 00:07:57,167 --> 00:07:58,899 should be free... free as in 224 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:00,899 freedom, not free as in beer, as 225 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:02,032 he put it there. 226 00:08:02,033 --> 00:08:03,899 Behind it, whether misguided or 227 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,432 not, there's a political 228 00:08:05,433 --> 00:08:07,099 impulse. 229 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:08,332 I'm Chris wysopal, former 230 00:08:08,333 --> 00:08:09,267 member of the lopht. 231 00:08:09,268 --> 00:08:10,366 We don't necessarily say 232 00:08:10,367 --> 00:08:11,766 "hacking group" because it makes 233 00:08:11,767 --> 00:08:13,099 it sound like we're hacking, so 234 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:13,967 we used to call it 235 00:08:13,968 --> 00:08:15,066 "a hacker's think tank." 236 00:08:15,067 --> 00:08:17,599 "Hacktivism" was a term coined 237 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,199 by a group called 238 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,566 "the cult of the dead cow." 239 00:08:21,567 --> 00:08:22,899 The lopht had an interesting 240 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:23,833 relationship with 241 00:08:23,834 --> 00:08:25,099 the cult of the dead cow. 242 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:26,366 Actually, there were some 243 00:08:26,367 --> 00:08:27,632 members that were in both 244 00:08:27,633 --> 00:08:28,433 organizations. 245 00:08:28,434 --> 00:08:29,899 And we kind of kept, like, the 246 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:31,366 serious security research that 247 00:08:31,367 --> 00:08:32,832 they were doing, they would do 248 00:08:32,833 --> 00:08:34,232 under the lopht name, and if 249 00:08:34,233 --> 00:08:35,632 they were doing some sort of 250 00:08:35,633 --> 00:08:37,466 just goofy stunt-like things, 251 00:08:37,467 --> 00:08:38,799 they would do it under 252 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,466 the cult of the dead cow name, 253 00:08:40,467 --> 00:08:42,132 because the cult of the dead cow 254 00:08:42,133 --> 00:08:46,132 was really kind of sort of like 255 00:08:46,133 --> 00:08:47,632 a propaganda type of 256 00:08:47,633 --> 00:08:49,466 organization. 257 00:08:49,467 --> 00:08:50,799 They had a guy who was the 258 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,066 minister of propaganda. 259 00:08:52,067 --> 00:08:53,232 They're kind of merry 260 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:54,932 pranksters, like everything they 261 00:08:54,933 --> 00:08:56,599 did was completely over the top. 262 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,299 One of the guys there coined the 263 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:00,032 term "hacktivism" because he saw 264 00:09:00,033 --> 00:09:01,666 one of the things his group was 265 00:09:01,667 --> 00:09:02,899 doing, which he called 266 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:04,232 "hacktivism," was writing 267 00:09:04,233 --> 00:09:05,799 software that people in other 268 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:06,999 countries could use to 269 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,566 communicate securely, even if 270 00:09:08,567 --> 00:09:10,132 their government was spying on 271 00:09:10,133 --> 00:09:10,600 them. 272 00:09:10,601 --> 00:09:11,966 So the principle was really 273 00:09:11,967 --> 00:09:13,099 freedom of expression. 274 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:14,466 It was everyone should have 275 00:09:14,467 --> 00:09:16,066 access to the Internet, everyone 276 00:09:16,067 --> 00:09:17,566 should be able to communicate 277 00:09:17,567 --> 00:09:19,099 and get their message out on the 278 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,566 Internet, even more important, 279 00:09:20,567 --> 00:09:21,999 in countries where there was 280 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,466 repressive regimes that if you 281 00:09:23,467 --> 00:09:24,799 said something against the 282 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,399 regime, they would come and take 283 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,966 you away and you weren't saying 284 00:09:27,967 --> 00:09:30,667 it anymore. 285 00:09:30,867 --> 00:09:32,999 "Hacktivism" has often meant 286 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,166 to designate a form of political 287 00:09:35,167 --> 00:09:37,132 activity in which technology 288 00:09:37,133 --> 00:09:38,699 assistance is used for 289 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:40,299 human-rights activism. 290 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:42,432 That's kind of the narrow sense 291 00:09:42,433 --> 00:09:43,633 of the word. 292 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:45,366 It usually stays within the 293 00:09:45,367 --> 00:09:47,032 purview of the law... usually, 294 00:09:47,033 --> 00:09:48,232 because by providing 295 00:09:48,233 --> 00:09:49,866 technological assistance, you 296 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:51,432 may be breaking a local law, 297 00:09:51,433 --> 00:09:52,067 however. 298 00:09:52,068 --> 00:09:56,399 And yet, other forms of digital 299 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,999 interventions, protest, dissent, 300 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,632 disobedience are clearly pushing 301 00:10:01,633 --> 00:10:04,099 the boundaries of the law, are 302 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:06,499 seeking to actively break the 303 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:08,766 law in protest, or are just 304 00:10:08,767 --> 00:10:11,266 merely transgressive, as well. 305 00:10:11,267 --> 00:10:13,466 Just like in traditional 306 00:10:13,467 --> 00:10:15,666 activism, it spans the full 307 00:10:15,667 --> 00:10:18,232 gamut from sit-ins or pickets to 308 00:10:18,233 --> 00:10:20,366 actually spiking trees and 309 00:10:20,367 --> 00:10:22,766 pouring sand in the engines of 310 00:10:22,767 --> 00:10:24,632 construction vehicles. 311 00:10:24,633 --> 00:10:26,466 I mean, there's real sabotage. 312 00:10:26,467 --> 00:10:28,199 The same thing does all fall 313 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,966 under the "hacktivism" label. 314 00:10:29,967 --> 00:10:31,266 There is a spectrum. 315 00:10:31,267 --> 00:10:33,366 A good place to start are 316 00:10:33,367 --> 00:10:35,632 with what has often been called 317 00:10:35,633 --> 00:10:37,832 virtual sit-ins, which use the 318 00:10:37,833 --> 00:10:39,999 tactic of a denial of service 319 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000 attack. 320 00:10:41,067 --> 00:10:43,299 Denial of service has been 321 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:45,499 around for a long, long time. 322 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:47,732 The equivalent of if you, for 323 00:10:47,733 --> 00:10:50,132 some reason, wanted to disrupt a 324 00:10:50,133 --> 00:10:51,500 bus service, right? 325 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:53,466 You can hire a thousand extras 326 00:10:53,467 --> 00:10:55,332 to all go and line up at the bus 327 00:10:55,333 --> 00:10:56,966 station and get on the bus. 328 00:10:56,967 --> 00:10:58,532 And so then anyone who was 329 00:10:58,533 --> 00:11:00,399 really trying to get on the bus 330 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,432 couldn't do it. 331 00:11:01,433 --> 00:11:03,199 It's as simple as that... when 332 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,699 you stop trying to visit, 333 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:06,166 website goes back up, no 334 00:11:06,167 --> 00:11:07,566 permanent damage. 335 00:11:07,567 --> 00:11:09,466 And this tactic has been used 336 00:11:09,467 --> 00:11:11,432 by a number of different groups. 337 00:11:11,433 --> 00:11:13,366 Probably the most famous is the 338 00:11:13,367 --> 00:11:16,566 electronic disturbance theater. 339 00:11:16,567 --> 00:11:18,699 Another really interesting case 340 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:20,632 happened in Germany where a 341 00:11:20,633 --> 00:11:22,799 group of activists got together 342 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,899 who wanted to protest the fact 343 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:26,966 that the airline lufthansa... 344 00:11:26,967 --> 00:11:29,132 They were using their planes to 345 00:11:29,133 --> 00:11:30,966 deport immigrants. 346 00:11:30,967 --> 00:11:32,732 And they would take down the 347 00:11:32,733 --> 00:11:33,300 site. 348 00:11:33,301 --> 00:11:35,132 And, in fact, eventually, the 349 00:11:35,133 --> 00:11:36,966 German courts ruled that this 350 00:11:36,967 --> 00:11:38,799 could be a legitimate form of 351 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,466 protest. 352 00:11:41,467 --> 00:11:43,132 This sometimes has strong 353 00:11:43,133 --> 00:11:45,032 anarchist flavor to it, as well. 354 00:11:45,033 --> 00:11:46,932 It's resistance to authority and 355 00:11:46,933 --> 00:11:48,299 those who would impose 356 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:50,566 group-think and group-behavior 357 00:11:50,567 --> 00:11:52,399 on the people, which was 358 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,299 rightly perceived to be a 359 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:56,299 consequence of the digital 360 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:58,399 revolution as it was used by 361 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,332 people in power... to do 362 00:12:00,333 --> 00:12:01,899 hacking on behalf of 363 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:04,266 righteousness and to redress the 364 00:12:04,267 --> 00:12:06,132 grievances of the world. 365 00:12:06,133 --> 00:12:09,566 Lance-lowered Don quixote on his 366 00:12:09,567 --> 00:12:12,299 horse, nag though she was, 367 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:15,099 flying at the windmills of 368 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:17,599 modern life. 369 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,766 Anonymous grew out of what's 370 00:12:19,767 --> 00:12:23,099 know as 4chan. 371 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:25,132 And essentially, this is just a 372 00:12:25,133 --> 00:12:27,166 website where people can upload 373 00:12:27,167 --> 00:12:29,066 images and you don't actually 374 00:12:29,067 --> 00:12:31,066 give your name, it's just sort 375 00:12:31,067 --> 00:12:32,067 of anonymous. 376 00:12:32,068 --> 00:12:33,399 When you look at 4chan, 377 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,866 you're often surprised because 378 00:12:34,867 --> 00:12:36,366 it looks like a site from like 379 00:12:36,367 --> 00:12:37,333 1995 or something. 380 00:12:37,334 --> 00:12:38,832 The idea is very simple... you 381 00:12:38,833 --> 00:12:40,266 post a comment and you post a 382 00:12:40,267 --> 00:12:41,799 picture, and you can post under 383 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,066 your name or anonymously. 384 00:12:43,067 --> 00:12:44,566 And it's separated into boards 385 00:12:44,567 --> 00:12:45,932 about particular topics, so 386 00:12:45,933 --> 00:12:47,199 there's a topic on anime, 387 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,032 there's a topic on weaponry. 388 00:12:49,033 --> 00:12:50,899 There's like a 4chan board 389 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:52,866 for origami and you just upload 390 00:12:52,867 --> 00:12:55,233 interesting pictures of origami. 391 00:12:58,567 --> 00:13:00,299 And then, there was a group 392 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:02,099 called the "/b/ board," which 393 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:03,766 essentially was for, like, 394 00:13:03,767 --> 00:13:04,800 anything goes. 395 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,599 The first time anybody goes 396 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,232 on /b/, it's kind of an instant 397 00:13:08,233 --> 00:13:09,899 revulsion, 'cause there's never 398 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:11,366 a time that you go on there 399 00:13:11,367 --> 00:13:12,932 where you don't see something 400 00:13:12,933 --> 00:13:13,567 horrible. 401 00:13:13,568 --> 00:13:15,266 That instantly puts off a lot of 402 00:13:15,267 --> 00:13:15,800 people. 403 00:13:15,801 --> 00:13:17,966 The idea is post something 404 00:13:17,967 --> 00:13:20,000 that can never be unseen. 405 00:13:23,033 --> 00:13:25,032 Half of the posts on /b/ are 406 00:13:25,033 --> 00:13:26,899 there specifically to make 407 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:29,066 people not want to come back to 408 00:13:29,067 --> 00:13:29,600 /b/. 409 00:13:29,601 --> 00:13:31,566 Have you ever read 410 00:13:31,567 --> 00:13:33,299 "lord of the flies"? 411 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:37,799 4chan and especially /b/ is 412 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,166 "lord of the flies," except some 413 00:13:40,167 --> 00:13:42,166 of them aren't 16 anymore. 414 00:13:42,167 --> 00:13:43,867 They're just allowed to act 16. 415 00:13:57,967 --> 00:14:00,166 It's the most vile, 416 00:14:00,167 --> 00:14:02,932 disgusting, and funny thing on 417 00:14:02,933 --> 00:14:03,967 the Internet. 418 00:14:08,367 --> 00:14:11,266 4chan was founded by 419 00:14:11,267 --> 00:14:14,899 Chris "moot" poole when he was 420 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:18,332 very young, maybe 15, in the 421 00:14:18,333 --> 00:14:19,666 early 2000s. 422 00:14:19,667 --> 00:14:22,466 He started 4chan because he was 423 00:14:22,467 --> 00:14:25,332 a big fan of Japanese animation. 424 00:14:25,333 --> 00:14:26,566 Chris "moot" poole's the 425 00:14:26,567 --> 00:14:27,799 sweetest kid you've ever met in 426 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:28,333 your life. 427 00:14:28,334 --> 00:14:30,166 He's small, and he's, like... 428 00:14:30,167 --> 00:14:32,166 He's got these sort of like tiny 429 00:14:32,167 --> 00:14:34,032 features, and he runs the most 430 00:14:34,033 --> 00:14:36,032 disgusting website in the world. 431 00:14:36,033 --> 00:14:37,399 What I think is really 432 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,899 intriguing about a community 433 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:40,399 like 4chan is just that it's 434 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:41,367 this open place. 435 00:14:41,368 --> 00:14:42,732 As I said, it's raw, it's 436 00:14:42,733 --> 00:14:44,266 unfiltered, and sites like it 437 00:14:44,267 --> 00:14:45,966 are kind of going the way of the 438 00:14:45,967 --> 00:14:47,032 dinosaur right now. 439 00:14:47,033 --> 00:14:48,732 They're endangered because we're 440 00:14:48,733 --> 00:14:49,999 moving towards social 441 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:50,800 networking. 442 00:14:50,801 --> 00:14:52,566 We're moving towards persistent 443 00:14:52,567 --> 00:14:53,267 identity. 444 00:14:53,268 --> 00:14:55,832 We're moving towards, you know, 445 00:14:55,833 --> 00:14:58,066 a lack of privacy, really. 446 00:14:58,067 --> 00:14:59,766 The /b/ board... that's the 447 00:14:59,767 --> 00:15:01,266 exact opposite of Facebook. 448 00:15:01,267 --> 00:15:02,932 Facebook, you're supposed to be 449 00:15:02,933 --> 00:15:04,632 who you are and there's sort of 450 00:15:04,633 --> 00:15:06,299 one model, which is that you're 451 00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:07,799 friends with people, right? 452 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,566 In 4chan, you're a totally 453 00:15:09,567 --> 00:15:10,799 anonymous nobody. 454 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,866 And anonymous speech is... a lot 455 00:15:12,867 --> 00:15:14,899 of it's ugly, but not all of it 456 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:15,367 is. 457 00:15:15,368 --> 00:15:17,266 It's actually sort of a place 458 00:15:17,267 --> 00:15:19,800 where people can be honest. 459 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,566 One of the important things 460 00:15:21,567 --> 00:15:24,666 about 4chan is to have a thread 461 00:15:24,667 --> 00:15:27,999 that really explodes and lasts 462 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,367 for a long time. 463 00:15:30,567 --> 00:15:32,399 'Cause if it doesn't, then it 464 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,366 disappears... it's a site that's 465 00:15:34,367 --> 00:15:35,333 not archived. 466 00:15:35,334 --> 00:15:37,266 So it creates conditions for 467 00:15:37,267 --> 00:15:39,299 anything that grabs attention, 468 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:41,366 at some level, and so humor and 469 00:15:41,367 --> 00:15:43,466 grotesqueness, as a result, are 470 00:15:43,467 --> 00:15:44,799 quite good for that. 471 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,366 I'd rather just be referred 472 00:15:46,367 --> 00:15:48,032 to as anonymous, I guess, in the 473 00:15:48,033 --> 00:15:49,566 interviews 'cause I have some 474 00:15:49,567 --> 00:15:50,767 docs out on me. 475 00:16:11,733 --> 00:16:13,632 You'll see something posted one 476 00:16:13,633 --> 00:16:15,566 day, and then a week later it's 477 00:16:15,567 --> 00:16:17,767 got 50,000 derivatives of it. 478 00:16:26,167 --> 00:16:27,566 A lot of the great Internet 479 00:16:27,567 --> 00:16:29,332 memes that we all know and love, 480 00:16:29,333 --> 00:16:31,566 you know, lolcats, right, you 481 00:16:31,567 --> 00:16:32,832 know, little cats doing funny 482 00:16:32,833 --> 00:16:34,999 things and then they have "I can" 483 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,332 "has cheezburger," right? 484 00:16:36,333 --> 00:16:39,099 All that stuff seems to start in 485 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:41,666 this petri dish that is 4chan, 486 00:16:41,667 --> 00:16:43,367 /b/ board. 487 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:49,566 ♪ Say it publicly, and 488 00:16:49,567 --> 00:16:50,567 you're insane ♪ 489 00:16:50,568 --> 00:16:51,799 ♪ Chocolate rain ♪ 490 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,632 Name any meme from the last 491 00:16:53,633 --> 00:16:55,432 about six years, and I'll bet 492 00:16:55,433 --> 00:16:57,032 you, either in it's first 493 00:16:57,033 --> 00:16:58,999 posting ever was on 4chan, or at 494 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,699 least one of it's earliest 495 00:17:00,700 --> 00:17:02,566 revisions that became what it 496 00:17:02,567 --> 00:17:03,666 was was on 4chan. 497 00:17:03,667 --> 00:17:05,332 I can see the food situation 498 00:17:05,333 --> 00:17:06,899 is so we'll be on our 499 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:07,333 way. 500 00:17:07,334 --> 00:17:09,166 ♪ Never gonna give you up ♪ 501 00:17:09,167 --> 00:17:10,832 ♪ Never gonna let you down ♪ 502 00:17:10,833 --> 00:17:12,366 It's basically the best 503 00:17:12,367 --> 00:17:13,999 breeding ground for Internet 504 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,332 culture, as far as I'm 505 00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:16,067 concerned. 506 00:17:16,068 --> 00:17:17,932 ♪ With your neighborhood 507 00:17:17,933 --> 00:17:19,199 insurance rates ♪ 508 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,032 ♪ Chocolate rain ♪ 509 00:17:22,033 --> 00:17:24,199 4chan is also very known for 510 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,400 acts of trolling. 511 00:17:40,467 --> 00:17:41,999 For them, it's funny, that 512 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,466 people think the Internet is 513 00:17:43,467 --> 00:17:44,433 serious business. 514 00:17:44,434 --> 00:17:46,099 And if people think the Internet 515 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:47,566 is serious business, it's a 516 00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:49,099 troll's job to make their life 517 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:51,467 terrible. 518 00:17:51,667 --> 00:17:53,966 The idea of anonymous came 519 00:17:53,967 --> 00:17:55,666 initially as a joke. 520 00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:58,199 I mean, somebody suggested that, 521 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,232 "what if the whole site, what if" 522 00:18:00,233 --> 00:18:02,166 4chan, what if /b/ was just one 523 00:18:02,167 --> 00:18:04,099 person, and what if that's just 524 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:06,099 one guy called anonymous sitting 525 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:07,699 somewhere and you're just 526 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:09,566 reading all these posts by one 527 00:18:09,567 --> 00:18:10,100 "guy?" 528 00:18:10,101 --> 00:18:11,299 And it kind of looked like 529 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:12,566 that, from the outsider's 530 00:18:12,567 --> 00:18:13,167 perspective. 531 00:18:13,168 --> 00:18:14,566 I mean, there's no way to tell 532 00:18:14,567 --> 00:18:15,300 the difference. 533 00:18:15,301 --> 00:18:16,599 It might as well be one guy. 534 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,566 Fox news did a very famous 535 00:18:18,567 --> 00:18:19,766 segment about it. 536 00:18:19,767 --> 00:18:21,132 They call themselves 537 00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:21,967 "anonymous." 538 00:18:21,968 --> 00:18:23,632 They are hackers on steroids, 539 00:18:23,633 --> 00:18:24,999 treating the web like a 540 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,766 real-life video game... sacking 541 00:18:26,767 --> 00:18:28,299 websites, invading MySpace 542 00:18:28,300 --> 00:18:29,966 accounts, disrupting innocent 543 00:18:29,967 --> 00:18:31,766 people's lives, and if you fight 544 00:18:31,767 --> 00:18:33,133 back, watch out. 545 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:38,566 Threats from a gang of 546 00:18:38,567 --> 00:18:39,899 computer hackers calling 547 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:41,232 themselves "anonymous." 548 00:18:41,233 --> 00:18:42,233 I've had seven different 549 00:18:42,234 --> 00:18:43,399 passwords, and they've got them 550 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:43,900 all so far. 551 00:18:43,901 --> 00:18:46,232 Anonymous hacked his site and 552 00:18:46,233 --> 00:18:48,099 plastered it with gay-sex 553 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:48,967 pictures. 554 00:18:48,968 --> 00:18:50,799 His girlfriend left him. 555 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,732 She thought that I was 556 00:18:52,733 --> 00:18:54,699 cheating on her with guys. 557 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:56,632 As long as I can think back, 558 00:18:56,633 --> 00:18:58,566 anonymous has done some pretty 559 00:18:58,567 --> 00:19:00,566 off-color things in the name of 560 00:19:00,567 --> 00:19:02,466 getting cheap laughs, you know? 561 00:19:02,467 --> 00:19:04,399 But, I mean, that's part of the 562 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,100 culture. 563 00:19:05,101 --> 00:19:06,866 They get what 564 00:19:06,867 --> 00:19:07,999 they call "lulz." 565 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,166 "Lulz" is a corruption of 566 00:19:10,167 --> 00:19:12,399 "lol," which stands for laugh 567 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,333 out loud. 568 00:19:13,334 --> 00:19:15,632 Anonymous gets big "lulz" from 569 00:19:15,633 --> 00:19:17,399 pulling random pranks. 570 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,832 For example, messing with online 571 00:19:19,833 --> 00:19:21,566 children's games like 572 00:19:21,567 --> 00:19:22,799 "habbo hotel." 573 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,566 "Habbo hotel" was this online 574 00:19:24,567 --> 00:19:26,066 community where you had an 575 00:19:26,067 --> 00:19:27,832 avatar and you walked around and 576 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:29,166 talked to other people. 577 00:19:29,167 --> 00:19:30,732 It was kind of like an early 578 00:19:30,733 --> 00:19:32,399 version of "world of warcraft" 579 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,166 or "second life" or any of those 580 00:19:34,167 --> 00:19:35,133 virtual worlds. 581 00:19:35,134 --> 00:19:38,066 What the people on /b/ did was 582 00:19:38,067 --> 00:19:40,932 invade "habbo hotel," created 583 00:19:40,933 --> 00:19:43,132 thousands of avatars. 584 00:19:43,133 --> 00:19:45,399 They all had this one uniform of 585 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,366 a black guy with a big afro 586 00:19:47,367 --> 00:19:48,966 wearing a black suit. 587 00:19:48,967 --> 00:19:51,199 And so there would be thousands 588 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,032 of these people... black guys, 589 00:19:53,033 --> 00:19:55,066 black suit, huge afro... walking 590 00:19:55,067 --> 00:19:56,799 around this world, and they 591 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,566 would do things like form a 592 00:19:58,567 --> 00:20:00,332 swastika out of themselves. 593 00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:02,066 And I think that was a real 594 00:20:02,067 --> 00:20:03,866 landmark because it was when 595 00:20:03,867 --> 00:20:05,866 they were able to see that they 596 00:20:05,867 --> 00:20:07,599 can use their numbers to do 597 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,632 something really interesting and 598 00:20:09,633 --> 00:20:11,167 really disruptive. 599 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,099 Those kids loved that pool. 600 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:25,699 They loved the shit out of their 601 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:26,133 pool. 602 00:20:26,134 --> 00:20:27,632 The goal was actually to 603 00:20:27,633 --> 00:20:29,299 offend everyone, simply because 604 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:30,866 the idea that we could offend 605 00:20:30,867 --> 00:20:32,599 you by drawing a little shape on 606 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,132 the screen was stupid to the 607 00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:35,500 people involved in it. 608 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:36,999 They were like, "really?" 609 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,599 You're gonna get that mad over 610 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,266 us doing... just drawing this on 611 00:20:40,267 --> 00:20:40,967 the screen? 612 00:20:40,968 --> 00:20:42,666 Wow, well, you need to refocus a 613 00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:44,099 little on life, 'cause this 614 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,766 should not be upsetting you that 615 00:20:45,767 --> 00:20:46,267 "much." 616 00:20:46,268 --> 00:20:48,499 Barrett brown, I'm the 617 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,966 director of project pm and a 618 00:20:50,967 --> 00:20:53,732 former operative with anonymous. 619 00:20:53,733 --> 00:20:55,232 We were targeting furries, which 620 00:20:55,233 --> 00:20:56,566 meant we entered a subculture of 621 00:20:56,567 --> 00:20:58,232 people, of course, who a lot of 622 00:20:58,233 --> 00:20:59,966 people on 4chan find irritating 623 00:20:59,967 --> 00:21:01,966 by virtue of they're being 624 00:21:01,967 --> 00:21:03,466 irritating. 625 00:21:03,467 --> 00:21:06,132 A furry is someone, generally a 626 00:21:06,133 --> 00:21:08,832 male in his 20s, who identifies 627 00:21:08,833 --> 00:21:11,566 with animals and often times has 628 00:21:11,567 --> 00:21:13,832 sexual attraction to other 629 00:21:13,833 --> 00:21:16,132 people dressed as animals. 630 00:21:16,133 --> 00:21:17,232 We had furry infiltrators, 631 00:21:17,233 --> 00:21:18,399 people trying, you know... we 632 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,233 had secret groups. 633 00:21:19,233 --> 00:21:20,067 Mine was called the 634 00:21:20,068 --> 00:21:21,966 "illuminati/I/illuminati," and 635 00:21:21,967 --> 00:21:23,832 our goal was to wreak as much 636 00:21:23,833 --> 00:21:25,699 havoc as possible, because it 637 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:26,567 was stupid. 638 00:21:26,568 --> 00:21:28,166 There was a point when I 639 00:21:28,167 --> 00:21:30,066 otherwise seemed a respectable 640 00:21:30,067 --> 00:21:31,932 writer, in 2007, and my first 641 00:21:31,933 --> 00:21:33,966 book had come out like that, but 642 00:21:33,967 --> 00:21:35,432 I spent my evenings on 643 00:21:35,433 --> 00:21:37,432 "second life," that big virtual 644 00:21:37,433 --> 00:21:39,466 world riding around in a virtual 645 00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:41,032 spaceship with the words 646 00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:42,999 "faggory daggory do" written on 647 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,999 it, wearing afros, and dropping 648 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,032 virtual bombs on little villages 649 00:21:47,033 --> 00:21:48,932 and concerts, and waving giant 650 00:21:48,933 --> 00:21:50,032 penises around. 651 00:21:50,033 --> 00:21:51,566 And that was the most fun time I 652 00:21:51,567 --> 00:21:54,067 ever had in my life. 653 00:21:54,267 --> 00:21:56,132 All these different 654 00:21:56,133 --> 00:21:58,566 organizations online, whether 655 00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:01,066 it's 4chan or just any website, 656 00:22:01,067 --> 00:22:02,666 there's typically a community 657 00:22:02,667 --> 00:22:03,567 aspect to it. 658 00:22:03,568 --> 00:22:05,166 This is where people have their 659 00:22:05,167 --> 00:22:06,366 social relationships. 660 00:22:06,367 --> 00:22:08,099 This is where their friends are. 661 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:09,566 This is where they have a 662 00:22:09,567 --> 00:22:10,467 creative outlet. 663 00:22:10,468 --> 00:22:11,999 And so all those aspects are 664 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,332 going in to groups like 665 00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:15,032 anonymous where people feel like 666 00:22:15,033 --> 00:22:16,666 they're part of a bigger thing 667 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:18,166 and they're able to express 668 00:22:18,167 --> 00:22:19,700 themselves within that group. 669 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:21,966 There were certain words, 670 00:22:21,967 --> 00:22:24,132 certain phrases, certain ways 671 00:22:24,133 --> 00:22:25,999 people respond to things, 672 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,199 certain images that are posted 673 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,566 that created a pattern, and that 674 00:22:30,567 --> 00:22:32,866 pattern was, I guess, the origin 675 00:22:32,867 --> 00:22:34,766 of what is now anonymous. 676 00:22:34,767 --> 00:22:35,966 It's like free masons with a 677 00:22:35,967 --> 00:22:37,132 sense of humor, in so much that 678 00:22:37,133 --> 00:22:38,332 they have this common symbology 679 00:22:38,333 --> 00:22:40,066 and one of their chief joys, 680 00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:41,899 which is kind of wrapped up in 681 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,799 power and secrecy, was the fact 682 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,632 that they could recognize each 683 00:22:45,633 --> 00:22:47,232 other by referencing these 684 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:48,866 symbols, referencing these 685 00:22:48,867 --> 00:22:50,866 phrases... "over 9,000." 686 00:22:50,867 --> 00:22:53,032 It's over 9,000! 687 00:22:53,033 --> 00:22:56,366 "I lost my iPod," "mudkipz," 688 00:22:56,367 --> 00:22:57,999 anything involving mudkipz. 689 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,866 So you have this weird sort of 690 00:22:59,867 --> 00:23:01,766 international culture developing 691 00:23:01,767 --> 00:23:03,566 with people across the world, 692 00:23:03,567 --> 00:23:04,832 wherever they may be. 693 00:23:04,833 --> 00:23:07,999 In late '06, and into early 694 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,632 '07, there's a bit of a sea 695 00:23:09,633 --> 00:23:11,332 change where instead of just 696 00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:13,099 posting a bunch of content, or 697 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,999 randomly saying, "we're going to" 698 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,866 go over to some website and post 699 00:23:16,867 --> 00:23:18,399 a bunch of dirty comments 700 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,199 "against someone," it becomes a 701 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,567 little more organized. 702 00:23:21,767 --> 00:23:22,767 Welcome to 703 00:23:22,768 --> 00:23:24,099 "the hal Turner show"! 704 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:25,432 They went after a guy named 705 00:23:25,433 --> 00:23:26,599 hal Turner. 706 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,266 I am being discriminated 707 00:23:28,267 --> 00:23:30,800 against because I'm white. 708 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,932 Hal Turner was a Neo-Nazi who 709 00:23:33,933 --> 00:23:36,199 was big online and had a 710 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,232 podcast. 711 00:23:37,233 --> 00:23:38,566 I think that the 14th 712 00:23:38,567 --> 00:23:40,732 amendment was not ratified 713 00:23:40,733 --> 00:23:42,732 properly, and I think, 714 00:23:42,733 --> 00:23:45,332 therefore, it is still okay to 715 00:23:45,333 --> 00:23:46,832 have negroes as slaves in 716 00:23:46,833 --> 00:23:47,833 America. 717 00:24:23,067 --> 00:24:24,266 I'm like, "yeah, screw that" 718 00:24:24,267 --> 00:24:25,200 racist son of a bitch! 719 00:24:25,201 --> 00:24:26,232 "Let's do this," you know? 720 00:24:26,233 --> 00:24:27,699 So I joined in, and I made some 721 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:29,199 of the phone calls and I played 722 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,666 around on the chat thing on his 723 00:24:30,667 --> 00:24:31,899 website and posted in the 724 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:32,966 threads, and whatnot. 725 00:24:32,967 --> 00:24:33,833 Who are you? 726 00:24:33,834 --> 00:24:35,099 Where you calling from? 727 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:36,566 Hola! 728 00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:38,099 This is Pedro! From San Diego! 729 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,099 Spic, don't call my radio 730 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:41,932 show anymore, you filthy spic 731 00:24:41,933 --> 00:24:42,433 animal! 732 00:24:42,434 --> 00:24:45,366 The college that I go to has 733 00:24:45,367 --> 00:24:47,366 begun an integration program 734 00:24:47,367 --> 00:24:49,366 where they try and purposely 735 00:24:49,367 --> 00:24:51,432 lower standards to bring more 736 00:24:51,433 --> 00:24:53,299 blacks and "diversify" the 737 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:54,067 campus. 738 00:24:54,068 --> 00:24:56,232 And by the end of the next five 739 00:24:56,233 --> 00:24:58,166 years, they intend to bring 740 00:24:58,167 --> 00:24:59,732 over 9,000. 741 00:24:59,733 --> 00:25:01,432 He was just a horribly racist 742 00:25:01,433 --> 00:25:03,099 radio personality who seemed to 743 00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:04,699 handle it well when you called 744 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:05,067 in. 745 00:25:05,068 --> 00:25:06,566 Like, he could handle being 746 00:25:06,567 --> 00:25:07,766 berated by anonymous. 747 00:25:07,767 --> 00:25:08,966 And that made it very 748 00:25:08,967 --> 00:25:09,733 interesting. 749 00:25:09,734 --> 00:25:11,432 It made it a bit of a challenge. 750 00:25:11,433 --> 00:25:12,899 It wasn't some guy who just 751 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,332 either crumbled or stopped 752 00:25:14,333 --> 00:25:15,566 answering the phone. 753 00:25:15,567 --> 00:25:16,966 It was a guy who would yell 754 00:25:16,967 --> 00:25:17,433 back. 755 00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:19,166 I don't see really where 756 00:25:19,167 --> 00:25:20,766 you're going with this. 757 00:25:20,767 --> 00:25:22,732 Where I'm going is I believe 758 00:25:22,733 --> 00:25:24,566 Barack Obama is genetically 759 00:25:24,567 --> 00:25:26,332 incapable of exercising the 760 00:25:26,333 --> 00:25:28,266 power necessary to govern the 761 00:25:28,267 --> 00:25:29,999 most complicated nation on 762 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,667 earth. 763 00:25:30,668 --> 00:25:32,466 That's where I'm going with 764 00:25:32,467 --> 00:25:33,067 this. 765 00:25:33,068 --> 00:25:35,032 And I think part of the reason 766 00:25:35,033 --> 00:25:36,932 he's incapable of doing it is 767 00:25:36,933 --> 00:25:38,632 because of racial-genetic 768 00:25:38,633 --> 00:25:41,632 inferiority. 769 00:25:41,633 --> 00:25:43,366 Is that clear enough for you? 770 00:25:43,367 --> 00:25:45,099 No, you changed the subject 771 00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:45,667 again. 772 00:25:45,668 --> 00:25:47,266 Wait a second, you asked 773 00:25:47,267 --> 00:25:47,800 me... 774 00:25:47,801 --> 00:25:49,366 Hal Turner wasn't the first 775 00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:51,032 actual person that anonymous had 776 00:25:51,033 --> 00:25:52,566 caused trouble for, but the 777 00:25:52,567 --> 00:25:53,966 circumstances ended up being 778 00:25:53,967 --> 00:25:54,767 significant. 779 00:25:54,768 --> 00:25:56,332 They ddos'd his website, stuff 780 00:25:56,333 --> 00:25:57,999 like that, costing him thousands 781 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,767 of dollars in bandwidth fees. 782 00:26:25,967 --> 00:26:27,199 And then they ended up 783 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,566 getting some real hackers to 784 00:26:28,567 --> 00:26:30,066 help them out, like this wasn't 785 00:26:30,067 --> 00:26:30,900 sort of pranks. 786 00:26:30,901 --> 00:26:33,166 They actually were able to get 787 00:26:33,167 --> 00:26:35,099 into hal Turner's private 788 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,566 servers and his mail servers and 789 00:26:37,567 --> 00:26:39,732 find some interesting e-mails 790 00:26:39,733 --> 00:26:41,932 that he was serving as an FBI 791 00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:44,066 informant, which if you're a 792 00:26:44,067 --> 00:26:46,199 right-wing Neo-Nazi is not a 793 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,432 good thing be. 794 00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:49,199 And obviously, him being an 795 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,799 FBI informant, and also his 796 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,199 reaction... his sort of 797 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,999 douche-baggy reaction... to the 798 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,732 raids damaged his credibility 799 00:26:55,733 --> 00:26:57,432 within the white nationalists 800 00:26:57,433 --> 00:26:59,832 scene, which is a shame. 801 00:26:59,833 --> 00:27:01,599 Hal Turner's gone. 802 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,132 He's been prosecuted by the feds 803 00:27:04,133 --> 00:27:06,032 for threatening judges. 804 00:27:06,033 --> 00:27:07,166 It wasn't supposed to be 805 00:27:07,167 --> 00:27:08,432 different, but it ended up being 806 00:27:08,433 --> 00:27:08,967 different. 807 00:27:08,968 --> 00:27:10,266 People who observe anonymous see 808 00:27:10,267 --> 00:27:11,566 this group called anonymous is 809 00:27:11,567 --> 00:27:12,433 going after this white 810 00:27:12,434 --> 00:27:13,666 nationalist and say, "oh, hey", 811 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:14,799 look, anonymous must be some 812 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,066 "kind of activist organization." 813 00:27:16,067 --> 00:27:17,399 So, by virtue of those people 814 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,699 joining anonymous, anonymous 815 00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:19,999 becomes more of an activist 816 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,700 organization. 817 00:27:20,701 --> 00:27:22,232 What follows is a period of 818 00:27:22,233 --> 00:27:24,032 confusion and anger in which the 819 00:27:24,033 --> 00:27:25,799 original anonymous people... the 820 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,566 sort who want to keep anonymous 821 00:27:27,567 --> 00:27:28,899 as this nihilist little 822 00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,566 ridiculous group... are upset 823 00:27:30,567 --> 00:27:32,566 that now the most terrible thing 824 00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:34,566 on the Internet is now becoming 825 00:27:34,567 --> 00:27:36,132 a force for good all of a 826 00:27:36,133 --> 00:27:37,133 sudden. 827 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,432 Anonymous has never been 828 00:27:41,433 --> 00:27:43,332 about getting media attention or 829 00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:45,066 getting all of this attention 830 00:27:45,067 --> 00:27:45,900 towards it. 831 00:27:45,901 --> 00:27:47,966 I mean, it's a community, a 832 00:27:47,967 --> 00:27:49,866 pretty sometimes insular 833 00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:52,132 community that just kind of kept 834 00:27:52,133 --> 00:27:54,266 to itself, made jokes and made 835 00:27:54,267 --> 00:27:55,067 content. 836 00:27:55,068 --> 00:27:58,066 But that was, of course, changed 837 00:27:58,067 --> 00:27:58,800 completely. 838 00:27:58,801 --> 00:28:00,366 It's thrown completely on its 839 00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:01,866 head when chanology started. 840 00:28:01,867 --> 00:28:04,032 Anonymous began to become 841 00:28:04,033 --> 00:28:05,199 less just of a culture, you 842 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,366 know, of people who wanted to 843 00:28:06,367 --> 00:28:09,699 perform pranks and more of the. 844 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:11,199 Internet's first army. 845 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,899 I'm Mike vitale, and my 846 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,266 handle's "sethdood." 847 00:28:14,267 --> 00:28:16,432 Now, this is January 2008. 848 00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:17,566 Anonymous is strong now. 849 00:28:17,567 --> 00:28:18,699 You know, we're not a little 850 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:19,932 dinky fucking group anymore. 851 00:28:19,933 --> 00:28:21,266 Like, this is, like, millions of 852 00:28:21,267 --> 00:28:22,466 people worldwide, and we're 853 00:28:22,467 --> 00:28:22,967 watching. 854 00:28:22,968 --> 00:28:24,299 And then scientology stepped in 855 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,000 with a big target on its chest. 856 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,566 A video came out of 857 00:28:27,567 --> 00:28:28,300 Tom Cruise. 858 00:28:28,301 --> 00:28:29,999 It was supposed to be, like, an 859 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,432 internal scientology video 860 00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:33,932 talking about secrets of 861 00:28:33,933 --> 00:28:35,766 scientology. 862 00:28:35,767 --> 00:28:37,932 Being a scientologist, when 863 00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:40,232 you drive past an accident, it's 864 00:28:40,233 --> 00:28:41,866 not like anyone else. 865 00:28:41,867 --> 00:28:43,432 As you drive past, you know you 866 00:28:43,433 --> 00:28:44,899 have to do something about it 867 00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:46,566 because you know you're the only 868 00:28:46,567 --> 00:28:47,766 one that can really help. 869 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:49,332 Talks about "you're the only" 870 00:28:49,333 --> 00:28:50,899 one who can stop, you know, bad 871 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,099 "things from happening." 872 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:53,932 And so, this is kind of wildly 873 00:28:53,933 --> 00:28:54,933 mocked online. 874 00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:57,600 It circulated like wildfire. 875 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:00,566 There's nothing 876 00:29:00,567 --> 00:29:03,666 parting a wave for me. 877 00:29:03,667 --> 00:29:05,166 It's just "whoo!" 878 00:29:05,167 --> 00:29:06,666 These people found it 879 00:29:06,667 --> 00:29:07,932 humorous and goofy. 880 00:29:07,933 --> 00:29:09,699 And the church of scientology 881 00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:11,566 went into their legal mode, and 882 00:29:11,567 --> 00:29:13,332 they threatened websites with 883 00:29:13,333 --> 00:29:15,066 lawsuits if they didn't pull 884 00:29:15,067 --> 00:29:16,099 down the video. 885 00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,566 Instantly, the scientologists 886 00:29:18,567 --> 00:29:20,266 post a dmca... digital 887 00:29:20,267 --> 00:29:21,800 millennium copyright act. 888 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,266 And this is a way that if you 889 00:29:23,267 --> 00:29:24,632 own content, you can go to video 890 00:29:24,633 --> 00:29:25,866 sites, upload sites and have 891 00:29:25,867 --> 00:29:27,232 your content pulled when someone 892 00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:28,200 uploads it illegally. 893 00:29:28,201 --> 00:29:29,566 Scientology's always at odds 894 00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:30,899 with the Internet, always trying 895 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,199 to legally bully people out of 896 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,266 fucking them over on the 897 00:29:33,267 --> 00:29:33,800 Internet. 898 00:29:33,801 --> 00:29:35,799 They always did that. 899 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,266 And then here they are trying 900 00:29:37,267 --> 00:29:38,566 again, but you know what? 901 00:29:38,567 --> 00:29:39,966 Anonymous saw that, and they 902 00:29:39,967 --> 00:29:42,332 said, "oh, you guys just fucked" 903 00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:43,566 around badly. 904 00:29:43,567 --> 00:29:44,899 Like, you're trying to censor 905 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:45,633 our Internet. 906 00:29:45,634 --> 00:29:47,066 You know, like, are you trying 907 00:29:47,067 --> 00:29:48,266 to take a joke away from 908 00:29:48,267 --> 00:29:48,867 anonymous? 909 00:29:48,868 --> 00:29:50,099 "Like, you don't do that." 910 00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:51,432 What these people did, in 911 00:29:51,433 --> 00:29:52,799 this case... gregg housh and 912 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,599 these other people... was, they 913 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,166 decided, you know, "we can" 914 00:29:56,167 --> 00:29:57,899 probably harness anonymous in 915 00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,132 this case and target 916 00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:00,067 "scientology." 917 00:30:00,068 --> 00:30:01,866 A few anons, a few people on 918 00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:03,532 4chan posted "hey, we should" 919 00:30:03,533 --> 00:30:05,399 grab that video and post it on a 920 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,499 "few other sites." 921 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,766 And I was one of the people in 922 00:30:08,767 --> 00:30:10,966 that thread talking about it. 923 00:30:10,967 --> 00:30:12,099 We got the original source of 924 00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:13,299 the video by reaching out to the 925 00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:14,466 person behind the accounts and 926 00:30:14,467 --> 00:30:15,000 everything. 927 00:30:15,001 --> 00:30:16,066 We start posting it. 928 00:30:16,067 --> 00:30:17,499 The surprising thing was how 929 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:19,032 fast they were dmcaing them on 930 00:30:19,033 --> 00:30:19,700 every site. 931 00:30:19,701 --> 00:30:21,232 It looked to us like they must 932 00:30:21,233 --> 00:30:22,632 have direct contact with the 933 00:30:22,633 --> 00:30:23,899 lawyers and the team who 934 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:25,466 actually pulls videos at all of 935 00:30:25,467 --> 00:30:26,200 these sites. 936 00:30:26,201 --> 00:30:27,699 Like, it was... it was minutes 937 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:29,166 and these things were falling 938 00:30:29,167 --> 00:30:29,600 down. 939 00:30:29,601 --> 00:30:31,266 We're like, "holy crap." 940 00:30:31,267 --> 00:30:32,766 That's messed up." 941 00:30:32,767 --> 00:30:34,699 What followed was... this is 942 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:35,866 a term called the 943 00:30:35,867 --> 00:30:37,732 Barbra Streisand effect... and 944 00:30:37,733 --> 00:30:39,166 this video, as they're 945 00:30:39,167 --> 00:30:41,099 attempting to suppress it, went 946 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:41,867 everywhere. 947 00:30:41,868 --> 00:30:43,666 Like, everywhere you look on the 948 00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:45,466 Internet, you were gonna stumble 949 00:30:45,467 --> 00:30:46,499 upon this video. 950 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:48,099 Actually, gawker, the site 951 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:49,732 that I work for, was, I think, 952 00:30:49,733 --> 00:30:51,399 the first one to put it on the 953 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,999 website, and we got in a huge 954 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,632 legal battle with scientology, 955 00:30:54,633 --> 00:30:56,500 who wanted us to take it down. 956 00:31:02,467 --> 00:31:04,766 A guy joins the channel, and 957 00:31:04,767 --> 00:31:07,166 he says, "you should all look at" 958 00:31:07,167 --> 00:31:08,000 gawker." 959 00:31:08,001 --> 00:31:09,566 So, we go over to gawker, and 960 00:31:09,567 --> 00:31:10,799 the strangest thing has 961 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,433 happened. 962 00:31:11,434 --> 00:31:12,999 This big media company had the 963 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,666 video up on their front page and 964 00:31:14,667 --> 00:31:15,932 basically had a comment 965 00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:17,432 underneath of it that stated 966 00:31:17,433 --> 00:31:19,099 very clearly that they were sick 967 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,766 of this abuse that was going on. 968 00:31:20,767 --> 00:31:22,599 That made us think, "what have" 969 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,232 we got ourself mixed up in 970 00:31:24,233 --> 00:31:24,800 "here?" 971 00:31:24,801 --> 00:31:26,732 Scientology is an interesting 972 00:31:26,733 --> 00:31:28,599 target, because in some ways, 973 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,566 it's the perfect inversion of 974 00:31:30,567 --> 00:31:32,366 what geeks and hackers value. 975 00:31:32,367 --> 00:31:34,332 At so many different levels... 976 00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:36,199 Science fiction, intellectual 977 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,566 property, discourses of freedom, 978 00:31:39,567 --> 00:31:41,699 science and technology. 979 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,766 It's very proprietary. 980 00:31:43,767 --> 00:31:45,066 It's closed. 981 00:31:45,067 --> 00:31:47,399 And so, in some ways, if you had 982 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,232 something like a cultural 983 00:31:50,233 --> 00:31:51,966 inversion machine and you stuck 984 00:31:51,967 --> 00:31:53,566 geeks and hackers in there, 985 00:31:53,567 --> 00:31:55,332 you'd get something that looks a 986 00:31:55,333 --> 00:31:56,599 lot like scientology. 987 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,932 So it's quite offensive, and 988 00:31:57,933 --> 00:32:00,332 there's a real pleasure in 989 00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:02,266 attacking your perfect Nemesis. 990 00:32:02,267 --> 00:32:04,199 What really kind of dared us 991 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,199 and set us off about scientology 992 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,199 is specifically the treatment of 993 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,232 their critics. 994 00:32:09,233 --> 00:32:11,066 Anybody who says anything bad 995 00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:12,399 about scientology is 996 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,066 automatically some sort of 997 00:32:14,067 --> 00:32:15,899 criminal, some sort of crazy 998 00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:17,399 person, a drug addict. 999 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,866 It's just that kind of 1000 00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:20,932 mentality, that kind of... like, 1001 00:32:20,933 --> 00:32:22,766 if anybody says anything bad 1002 00:32:22,767 --> 00:32:24,732 about you, we're gonna fuck you 1003 00:32:24,733 --> 00:32:26,732 over in the worst possible way. 1004 00:32:26,733 --> 00:32:28,632 It's just... it resonated, like, 1005 00:32:28,633 --> 00:32:30,432 this feeling of disgust within 1006 00:32:30,433 --> 00:32:30,833 us. 1007 00:32:30,834 --> 00:32:32,299 That was a big problem. 1008 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:34,032 That was the big problem, the 1009 00:32:34,033 --> 00:32:36,166 censorship aspect of it, the 1010 00:32:36,167 --> 00:32:38,266 audacity of this cult, this 1011 00:32:38,267 --> 00:32:40,332 creepy cult, to go into our 1012 00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,566 territory and tell us that we 1013 00:32:42,567 --> 00:32:43,932 can't post this? 1014 00:32:43,933 --> 00:32:45,166 No. Fuck them. 1015 00:32:45,167 --> 00:32:46,466 No. It's not gonna happen. 1016 00:32:46,467 --> 00:32:47,799 And people who knew what 1017 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,332 anonymous was to begin with were 1018 00:32:49,333 --> 00:32:50,300 like, "oh, my god." 1019 00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:51,699 Anonymous is gonna go to war 1020 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:52,600 with scientology? 1021 00:32:52,601 --> 00:32:53,699 This should be really 1022 00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:54,467 "interesting." 1023 00:32:54,468 --> 00:32:55,732 Especially 'cause it's two 1024 00:32:55,733 --> 00:32:56,667 weird-ass groups. 1025 00:32:56,668 --> 00:32:58,066 I mean, you know, I've been an 1026 00:32:58,067 --> 00:32:59,399 anon for a long fucking time. 1027 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,699 I know anonymous is really 1028 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:01,200 strange. 1029 00:33:01,201 --> 00:33:03,066 Like, they're weird, and the 1030 00:33:03,067 --> 00:33:05,166 stuff we like is weird, and it's 1031 00:33:05,167 --> 00:33:07,099 really not mainstream at all. 1032 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,199 Now you have scientology... also 1033 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:09,967 really weird. 1034 00:33:09,968 --> 00:33:11,466 A lot of crazy shit goes down. 1035 00:33:11,467 --> 00:33:12,866 Anybody on the outside who's 1036 00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:14,432 seen this is going, "let's watch" 1037 00:33:14,433 --> 00:33:15,666 these two retards fight. 1038 00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:17,266 Like, both their pants are gonna 1039 00:33:17,267 --> 00:33:17,900 fall down. 1040 00:33:17,901 --> 00:33:19,299 They're gonna trip, and it's 1041 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:20,799 gonna hurt everybody, and it's 1042 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:21,899 "gonna be hysterical." 1043 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:23,432 And what happened was all these 1044 00:33:23,433 --> 00:33:24,932 people who were geared up, the 1045 00:33:24,933 --> 00:33:26,932 infrastructure was built to war 1046 00:33:26,933 --> 00:33:28,566 with other anons, said, "you" 1047 00:33:28,567 --> 00:33:29,832 know what... fuck it. 1048 00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:31,832 Everybody's gonna get together 1049 00:33:31,833 --> 00:33:33,566 and pound the fuck out of 1050 00:33:33,567 --> 00:33:34,599 "scientology." 1051 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,566 And then that's when 4chan 1052 00:33:36,567 --> 00:33:38,266 kind of reared into action, 1053 00:33:38,267 --> 00:33:39,899 really reared into action. 1054 00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:41,732 And they started to troll the 1055 00:33:41,733 --> 00:33:43,199 church of scientology. 1056 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,799 And this took the form of 1057 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,432 pranking the dianetics hotline, 1058 00:33:46,433 --> 00:33:47,367 ordering pizzas. 1059 00:33:47,368 --> 00:33:48,999 Every fax number we get, and 1060 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,266 we're sharing them all. 1061 00:33:50,267 --> 00:33:51,832 You know, every number we get, 1062 00:33:51,833 --> 00:33:53,666 we'd send black pieces of paper 1063 00:33:53,667 --> 00:33:55,432 on a loop until it wastes all 1064 00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:56,200 their ink. 1065 00:33:56,201 --> 00:33:58,032 I go to call them on the phone, 1066 00:33:58,033 --> 00:34:00,932 and it's busy, busy, busy. 1067 00:34:00,933 --> 00:34:02,766 You know, and that's their main 1068 00:34:02,767 --> 00:34:04,632 fucking dianetics hotline, their 1069 00:34:04,633 --> 00:34:05,966 dianetics 800-number. 1070 00:34:05,967 --> 00:34:07,699 You can't get through because 1071 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:08,899 anons have completely fucking 1072 00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:10,032 clogged it and just probably 1073 00:34:10,033 --> 00:34:10,900 saying stupid shit. 1074 00:34:10,901 --> 00:34:12,199 The whole idea was just you call 1075 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,366 them just to keep them on the 1076 00:34:13,367 --> 00:34:13,767 phone. 1077 00:34:13,768 --> 00:34:14,932 "What's an elrond? 1078 00:34:14,933 --> 00:34:16,599 How do I dianetics my face?" 1079 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,299 They were not expecting that, 1080 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:19,833 and they couldn't handle it. 1081 00:34:24,733 --> 00:34:26,632 I'm Brian mettenbrink. 1082 00:34:26,633 --> 00:34:28,432 I always liked anything 1083 00:34:28,433 --> 00:34:30,732 technical, mechanical, anything 1084 00:34:30,733 --> 00:34:32,132 sciencey, really. 1085 00:34:32,133 --> 00:34:33,732 Computers do what you tell them 1086 00:34:33,733 --> 00:34:34,100 to. 1087 00:34:34,101 --> 00:34:35,732 They don't all of a sudden start 1088 00:34:35,733 --> 00:34:36,766 doing weird stuff. 1089 00:34:36,767 --> 00:34:38,299 And if they do, it's probably 1090 00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:39,799 your fault, and I always like 1091 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,700 that, you know. 1092 00:34:40,701 --> 00:34:42,632 They're perfect, really, in a 1093 00:34:42,633 --> 00:34:43,133 way. 1094 00:34:43,134 --> 00:34:45,299 I'd just gone to 4chan just on 1095 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,132 pure happenstance, and I saw a 1096 00:34:48,133 --> 00:34:49,399 post about the scientology 1097 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,832 thing, and I started looking up 1098 00:34:50,833 --> 00:34:51,300 stuff. 1099 00:34:51,301 --> 00:34:52,566 And I'm like, "oh, this is" 1100 00:34:52,567 --> 00:34:53,866 actually for a decent cause. 1101 00:34:53,867 --> 00:34:55,132 I think I'll, you know, do 1102 00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:56,133 "this." 1103 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,032 Anonymous members have 1104 00:34:58,033 --> 00:34:59,832 developed a distributed 1105 00:34:59,833 --> 00:35:01,332 denial-of-service attack tool 1106 00:35:01,333 --> 00:35:03,166 called low-orbit ion Cannon, 1107 00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:05,832 which is a name taken from a 1108 00:35:05,833 --> 00:35:07,166 computer game. 1109 00:35:07,167 --> 00:35:09,366 Low-orbit ion Cannon is 1110 00:35:09,367 --> 00:35:11,566 what's called an endgame weapon 1111 00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:12,733 in "red alert." 1112 00:35:12,933 --> 00:35:15,099 All you had to do was literally 1113 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:16,999 follow instructions step by 1114 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,600 step. 1115 00:35:17,601 --> 00:35:19,332 I downloaded a program that's 1116 00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,032 free and legal for anyone to 1117 00:35:21,033 --> 00:35:23,366 download and use. 1118 00:35:23,367 --> 00:35:25,132 And I followed the instructions, 1119 00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:26,033 and I typed in 1120 00:35:26,034 --> 00:35:28,866 www.scientology.org, and I 1121 00:35:28,867 --> 00:35:29,932 pushed "go." 1122 00:35:29,933 --> 00:35:32,032 And what it does is it tells 1123 00:35:32,033 --> 00:35:34,399 scientology.org, in this case... 1124 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,432 It tells them to send their 1125 00:35:36,433 --> 00:35:38,732 website to my computer about, I 1126 00:35:38,733 --> 00:35:40,632 think, it was 800,000 times in a 1127 00:35:40,633 --> 00:35:41,300 weekend. 1128 00:35:41,301 --> 00:35:43,099 And I'm pretty sure I probably 1129 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:44,932 took it down myself a couple of 1130 00:35:44,933 --> 00:35:45,567 times. 1131 00:35:45,568 --> 00:35:48,032 This tool is low-orbit ion 1132 00:35:48,033 --> 00:35:50,766 Cannon, sometimes referred to as 1133 00:35:50,767 --> 00:35:51,567 "loic." 1134 00:35:51,568 --> 00:35:53,632 I am actually not breaking any 1135 00:35:53,633 --> 00:35:55,832 laws by using this tool against 1136 00:35:55,833 --> 00:35:58,666 my own computer, 127.0.0.1, 1137 00:35:58,667 --> 00:36:00,799 which is a non-routable address. 1138 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,599 But, of course, if I were to 1139 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,666 have attacked one of those other 1140 00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:06,566 bigger sites out there, I would 1141 00:36:06,567 --> 00:36:07,932 have severely been breaking the 1142 00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:09,399 law and would have been doing it 1143 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,799 in a way that was quite easy to 1144 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,233 track. 1145 00:36:11,234 --> 00:36:12,632 What you do is, you put in the 1146 00:36:12,633 --> 00:36:13,033 site. 1147 00:36:13,034 --> 00:36:14,166 You see that the I.P. Is 1148 00:36:14,167 --> 00:36:14,700 correct. 1149 00:36:14,701 --> 00:36:15,999 You make sure that all these 1150 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,832 settings are good, and you hit 1151 00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:18,833 the button. 1152 00:36:18,833 --> 00:36:19,833 And off it goes. 1153 00:36:19,834 --> 00:36:21,566 It felt like you were making 1154 00:36:21,567 --> 00:36:23,899 a difference, you know, just you 1155 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:25,966 yourself and you didn't even 1156 00:36:25,967 --> 00:36:28,066 have to leave your home, you 1157 00:36:28,067 --> 00:36:29,067 know? 1158 00:36:29,068 --> 00:36:30,666 You just sat at your computer 1159 00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:32,266 and followed instructions and 1160 00:36:32,267 --> 00:36:33,832 stood up for what you believe 1161 00:36:33,833 --> 00:36:34,833 in, so to speak. 1162 00:36:34,834 --> 00:36:36,566 You made your say in the world, 1163 00:36:36,567 --> 00:36:37,966 and hopefully it turns out 1164 00:36:37,967 --> 00:36:38,867 better for it. 1165 00:36:38,868 --> 00:36:40,566 And like I said, we need to 1166 00:36:40,567 --> 00:36:41,333 make a video. 1167 00:36:41,334 --> 00:36:43,033 We have to make a video. 1168 00:36:43,233 --> 00:36:44,799 Hello, leaders of 1169 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,866 scientology. 1170 00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:47,266 We are anonymous. 1171 00:36:47,267 --> 00:36:49,166 When the video came out on 1172 00:36:49,167 --> 00:36:51,066 January 21st, that was one of 1173 00:36:51,067 --> 00:36:52,999 the first times that anonymous 1174 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,832 as a culture started referring 1175 00:36:56,833 --> 00:36:58,732 to itself as "anonymous," as a 1176 00:36:58,733 --> 00:37:00,632 movement and declared that it 1177 00:37:00,633 --> 00:37:02,332 was going to take down and 1178 00:37:02,333 --> 00:37:03,732 destroy the church of 1179 00:37:03,733 --> 00:37:04,767 scientology. 1180 00:37:04,967 --> 00:37:06,199 That video probably changed 1181 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:06,833 everything. 1182 00:37:06,834 --> 00:37:08,466 Knowledge is free. 1183 00:37:08,467 --> 00:37:10,766 We are anonymous. We are legion. 1184 00:37:10,767 --> 00:37:12,166 We do not forgive. 1185 00:37:12,167 --> 00:37:14,232 We do not forget. Expect us. 1186 00:37:14,233 --> 00:37:15,332 It basically looked like if a 1187 00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:16,399 computer was going to tell you 1188 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,466 that he was gonna beat the shit 1189 00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:18,433 out of you, this is what it 1190 00:37:18,433 --> 00:37:19,067 would look like. 1191 00:37:19,068 --> 00:37:20,832 That one video, it really 1192 00:37:20,833 --> 00:37:22,599 galvanized that moment, that 1193 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,599 moment of innovation that that's 1194 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,332 exactly... like, with that 1195 00:37:27,333 --> 00:37:29,199 video, Internet activism, as 1196 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,999 it's known today, was born. 1197 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,866 What the video was saying 1198 00:37:32,867 --> 00:37:34,066 was, "it's over." 1199 00:37:34,067 --> 00:37:36,032 You're not going to be able to 1200 00:37:36,033 --> 00:37:37,566 follow people back to their 1201 00:37:37,567 --> 00:37:38,999 house anymore with impunity. 1202 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,599 You're not going to be able to 1203 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,132 just issue a cease-and-desist 1204 00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:43,832 letter to any reporter who wants 1205 00:37:43,833 --> 00:37:45,332 to write some shit about you 1206 00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:46,932 that you don't like, you know. 1207 00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:48,266 That's done with. 1208 00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:49,267 Every time you do that, 1209 00:37:49,268 --> 00:37:50,366 anonymous is gonna hit you 1210 00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:50,833 "harder." 1211 00:37:50,834 --> 00:37:51,999 So, we made a video named 1212 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,700 "call to arms." 1213 00:37:52,701 --> 00:37:53,832 It said "we're going to the" 1214 00:37:53,833 --> 00:37:54,300 streets. 1215 00:37:54,301 --> 00:37:55,566 Every major city of the world 1216 00:37:55,567 --> 00:37:57,033 "has a scientology building." 1217 00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:58,966 Be very wary of the 10th of 1218 00:37:58,967 --> 00:37:59,733 February. 1219 00:37:59,734 --> 00:38:01,566 Anonymous invites you to join us 1220 00:38:01,567 --> 00:38:03,100 in an act of solidarity. 1221 00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,232 Anonymous invites you to take up 1222 00:38:05,233 --> 00:38:06,999 the banner of free speech, of 1223 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,666 human rights, of family and 1224 00:38:08,667 --> 00:38:09,333 freedom. 1225 00:38:09,334 --> 00:38:11,099 Join us in protest outside of 1226 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:12,932 scientology centers worldwide. 1227 00:38:12,933 --> 00:38:14,432 And you just see this 1228 00:38:14,433 --> 00:38:15,599 consensus forming that it's 1229 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,400 going to happen. 1230 00:38:16,401 --> 00:38:17,699 So we made the third video, the 1231 00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:18,567 "code of conduct." 1232 00:38:18,567 --> 00:38:19,567 "Don't bring weapons." 1233 00:38:19,567 --> 00:38:20,367 Dress accordingly. 1234 00:38:20,368 --> 00:38:21,566 Cover your faces 'cause they 1235 00:38:21,567 --> 00:38:22,832 will try and find out who you 1236 00:38:22,833 --> 00:38:24,700 "are and screw with your life." 1237 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,932 Rule number 17... cover your 1238 00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:27,567 face. 1239 00:38:27,568 --> 00:38:29,032 This will prevent your 1240 00:38:29,033 --> 00:38:31,099 identification from videos taken 1241 00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,067 by hostiles. 1242 00:38:32,068 --> 00:38:34,132 Scientology has a history of 1243 00:38:34,133 --> 00:38:36,099 harassing, stalking, and just 1244 00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,999 doing horrible things to its 1245 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,733 critics. 1246 00:38:38,734 --> 00:38:40,766 So people needed a way to hide 1247 00:38:40,767 --> 00:38:42,032 their identities. 1248 00:38:42,033 --> 00:38:42,933 A lot of people had very 1249 00:38:42,933 --> 00:38:43,633 legitimate fears. 1250 00:38:43,634 --> 00:38:44,766 They don't want to be followed 1251 00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:45,067 home. 1252 00:38:45,068 --> 00:38:46,166 They don't want to be stalked. 1253 00:38:46,167 --> 00:38:47,199 They don't want to put their 1254 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,200 families and themselves in 1255 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:48,567 danger. 1256 00:38:48,568 --> 00:38:49,632 Everyone was going, "well", 1257 00:38:49,633 --> 00:38:50,567 we're gonna wear a mask. 1258 00:38:50,568 --> 00:38:51,599 What's the only fucking mask 1259 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,699 that we already know or have a 1260 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:53,233 "joke about?" 1261 00:38:53,234 --> 00:38:54,332 And it's the guy Fawkes mask. 1262 00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:55,000 You see the movie 1263 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,700 "v for vendetta." 1264 00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:56,866 You know, the ending scene where 1265 00:38:56,867 --> 00:38:57,733 everyone's wearing the 1266 00:38:57,734 --> 00:38:59,699 guy Fawkes mask, that is very 1267 00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:01,599 reminiscent of what anonymous 1268 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:07,633 thinks anonymous is. 1269 00:39:07,833 --> 00:39:11,332 We wanted to represent anonymity 1270 00:39:11,333 --> 00:39:13,266 in some way when it moved into 1271 00:39:13,267 --> 00:39:14,100 real life. 1272 00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:16,132 I think that the guy Fawkes mask 1273 00:39:16,133 --> 00:39:17,899 was one of the most natural 1274 00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:19,099 things to happen. 1275 00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,032 It is the idea that none of us 1276 00:39:21,033 --> 00:39:22,199 are as cruel as all of us. 1277 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,699 You have this massive crowd of 1278 00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:27,666 people who are anonymous that is 1279 00:39:27,667 --> 00:39:29,566 going to fight against a bigger 1280 00:39:29,567 --> 00:39:30,367 thing and win. 1281 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,632 Even after watching the 1282 00:39:31,633 --> 00:39:32,999 videos, like, "yeah, this is" 1283 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,466 great, but who's actually gonna 1284 00:39:34,467 --> 00:39:34,933 do it? 1285 00:39:34,934 --> 00:39:35,966 Who's gonna step up? 1286 00:39:35,967 --> 00:39:37,366 Are people actually gonna get 1287 00:39:37,367 --> 00:39:38,399 "out of their house?" 1288 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,232 Like... and I guess we were 1289 00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:41,399 really affected by the 1290 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,566 stereotype of that whole 1291 00:39:43,567 --> 00:39:45,332 community, being Internet nerds. 1292 00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:46,832 They're too afraid to leave 1293 00:39:46,833 --> 00:39:48,132 their moms' basements. 1294 00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:50,066 I figured maybe 15 nerds from 1295 00:39:50,067 --> 00:39:52,132 every city somewhere might show 1296 00:39:52,133 --> 00:39:53,266 up and wear their masks at a 1297 00:39:53,267 --> 00:39:54,466 building for awhile and leave. 1298 00:39:54,467 --> 00:39:55,732 No one thought that they were 1299 00:39:55,733 --> 00:39:56,933 gonna come out. 1300 00:39:57,133 --> 00:39:59,566 This is me on the way there. 1301 00:39:59,567 --> 00:40:00,632 I haven't slept. 1302 00:40:00,633 --> 00:40:02,167 I'm very fucking tired. 1303 00:40:02,367 --> 00:40:04,099 And I remember going to the park 1304 00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:05,499 that day, and it's really 1305 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,099 fucking early in the morning, 1306 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:09,266 which I thought was a bad idea. 1307 00:40:09,267 --> 00:40:10,532 And I'm smoking a cigarette, and 1308 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:11,732 I'm looking around like, "where" 1309 00:40:11,733 --> 00:40:12,667 the fuck is everybody? 1310 00:40:12,668 --> 00:40:14,832 "Like, there's nobody here." 1311 00:40:14,833 --> 00:40:16,999 So, here I am sitting in 1312 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,666 Bryant park. 1313 00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:21,166 Waiting for the other anons to 1314 00:40:21,167 --> 00:40:21,700 show up. 1315 00:40:21,701 --> 00:40:23,199 I remember thinking like, "oh", 1316 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:23,633 fuck. 1317 00:40:23,634 --> 00:40:25,199 Like, am I gonna be the only one 1318 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,900 in the park? 1319 00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:27,399 Am I gonna walk to scientology 1320 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,666 with fucking six or seven 1321 00:40:28,667 --> 00:40:30,132 people, which totally defeats 1322 00:40:30,133 --> 00:40:31,432 the entire purpose of this 1323 00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:32,999 because now they could single me 1324 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,433 "out?" 1325 00:40:33,434 --> 00:40:34,766 You know, then I get up, and I 1326 00:40:34,767 --> 00:40:36,132 start walking around, and I see 1327 00:40:36,133 --> 00:40:37,499 there's a lot of green balloons 1328 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:38,732 over there for some reason. 1329 00:40:38,733 --> 00:40:41,732 On the other side of the park, 1330 00:40:41,733 --> 00:40:43,466 there was like fucking 200 1331 00:40:43,467 --> 00:40:44,133 people. 1332 00:40:44,134 --> 00:40:45,832 There was guy Fawkes masks 1333 00:40:45,833 --> 00:40:47,832 everywhere, and I'm like, "holy" 1334 00:40:47,833 --> 00:40:51,332 shit, this is huge!" 1335 00:40:51,333 --> 00:40:54,666 There's a fucking lot of us. 1336 00:40:54,667 --> 00:40:56,166 That's pretty good. 1337 00:40:56,167 --> 00:40:57,699 I had no idea how many anons 1338 00:40:57,700 --> 00:40:59,166 there were until we started 1339 00:40:59,167 --> 00:41:00,232 moving. 1340 00:41:00,233 --> 00:41:01,566 Ha ha. 1341 00:41:01,567 --> 00:41:06,566 And it just fucking got bigger. 1342 00:41:06,567 --> 00:41:08,366 I remember walking through. 1343 00:41:08,367 --> 00:41:10,432 Times Square, and everybody in. 1344 00:41:10,433 --> 00:41:12,166 Times Square was an anon. 1345 00:41:12,167 --> 00:41:13,732 Like, you know, this is, like, a 1346 00:41:13,733 --> 00:41:15,232 fucking 1,000-person per, like, 1347 00:41:15,233 --> 00:41:16,566 fucking minute foot-traffic 1348 00:41:16,567 --> 00:41:17,766 area, and everywhere I'm 1349 00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:19,332 looking, I'm seeing fucking anon 1350 00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:20,566 symbols. 1351 00:41:20,567 --> 00:41:22,332 It was fucking wild. 1352 00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:23,867 It was really wild. 1353 00:41:29,167 --> 00:41:30,666 [ Crowd chanting 1354 00:41:30,667 --> 00:41:34,133 [ "don't drink the kool-aid" ] 1355 00:41:43,333 --> 00:41:46,366 Whoo! 1356 00:41:46,367 --> 00:41:47,367 Hell, yeah! 1357 00:41:47,368 --> 00:41:48,699 So we start getting numbers 1358 00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:50,866 in, and Sydney. 1359 00:41:50,867 --> 00:41:52,199 We're thinking that it's going 1360 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,366 to be 50 people. 1361 00:41:54,367 --> 00:41:55,966 And before 10:00 A.M., before 1362 00:41:55,967 --> 00:41:57,566 even time, there's already 50 1363 00:41:57,567 --> 00:41:59,032 people there, and there are 1364 00:41:59,033 --> 00:42:00,799 still streams of people walking 1365 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,799 down the streets. 1366 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,966 A couple hours into it, you 1367 00:42:03,967 --> 00:42:05,266 know, 'cause I didn't go to bed 1368 00:42:05,267 --> 00:42:06,566 until 1:00 in the morning, you 1369 00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:07,832 know, you're looking at Sydney 1370 00:42:07,833 --> 00:42:10,399 as, "wow, there's 250 people in" 1371 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,267 Sydney. 1372 00:42:11,268 --> 00:42:12,832 The cops are estimating higher 1373 00:42:12,833 --> 00:42:14,299 than that for their reports. 1374 00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:15,966 What just happened? 1375 00:42:15,967 --> 00:42:18,166 Adelaide, Perth, and Melbourne 1376 00:42:18,167 --> 00:42:19,033 happened. 1377 00:42:19,034 --> 00:42:20,899 And, you know, over 200 at each 1378 00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:21,567 of them. 1379 00:42:21,568 --> 00:42:23,332 We nearly broke 1,000 leaving 1380 00:42:23,333 --> 00:42:24,832 Australia. 1381 00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:26,132 Now, the next protest was. 1382 00:42:26,133 --> 00:42:27,566 Tel Aviv, which had actually 1383 00:42:27,567 --> 00:42:28,999 gotten its first scientology 1384 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,399 building right before this. 1385 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,566 There were Palestinians and 1386 00:42:31,567 --> 00:42:32,732 Israelis at this protest both 1387 00:42:32,733 --> 00:42:33,633 holding their flags. 1388 00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:34,932 And at one point, they actually 1389 00:42:34,933 --> 00:42:36,199 switched flags and held up each 1390 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,299 other's flags and whatnot. 1391 00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:38,300 It was awesome to see. 1392 00:42:38,301 --> 00:42:39,566 I call our guy in London, 1393 00:42:39,567 --> 00:42:40,732 briternon, and I say, "hey", 1394 00:42:40,733 --> 00:42:41,866 what's going on there?" 1395 00:42:41,867 --> 00:42:43,299 And he's like, "did you just get" 1396 00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:44,000 out of bed?" 1397 00:42:44,001 --> 00:42:45,332 I said, "yeah, I haven't even" 1398 00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:46,432 turned on the computer. 1399 00:42:46,433 --> 00:42:47,766 "I just figured I'd call you." 1400 00:42:47,767 --> 00:42:49,399 And he said, "we got 600 people" 1401 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,032 and the cops are really, really 1402 00:42:51,033 --> 00:42:53,032 "mad at me." 1403 00:42:53,033 --> 00:42:54,399 All the major cities were 1404 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,832 having hundreds of people come 1405 00:42:55,833 --> 00:42:56,200 out. 1406 00:42:56,201 --> 00:42:58,032 It was massive. 1407 00:42:58,033 --> 00:43:02,099 Clearwater had like 300 people. 1408 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,832 I don't think anyone beat out. 1409 00:43:03,833 --> 00:43:04,233 I.A. 1410 00:43:04,234 --> 00:43:05,732 I think I.A. had over 1,000 1411 00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:10,232 people. 1412 00:43:10,233 --> 00:43:11,932 The thing that happened was 1413 00:43:11,933 --> 00:43:13,666 something completely different. 1414 00:43:13,667 --> 00:43:15,399 Hundreds and hundreds of people 1415 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,566 from every city just swarmed the 1416 00:43:18,567 --> 00:43:20,566 streets. 1417 00:43:20,567 --> 00:43:22,066 It was kind of overwhelming, a 1418 00:43:22,067 --> 00:43:23,599 little even scary, but scary in 1419 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:24,300 a good way. 1420 00:43:24,301 --> 00:43:25,666 Soon, you know, we're at 1421 00:43:25,667 --> 00:43:27,032 around the 10,000 Mark, you 1422 00:43:27,033 --> 00:43:28,466 know, and we were joking the 1423 00:43:28,467 --> 00:43:29,866 whole time "over 9,000," you 1424 00:43:29,867 --> 00:43:31,166 know, one of those memes. 1425 00:43:31,167 --> 00:43:32,566 It was too surreal. 1426 00:43:32,567 --> 00:43:34,567 It was not believable. 1427 00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:37,732 And you go by what name? 1428 00:43:37,733 --> 00:43:40,232 We are anonymous. 1429 00:43:40,233 --> 00:43:41,599 It was very empowering, 1430 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,166 especially after people saw the 1431 00:43:43,167 --> 00:43:44,766 thousands of people showing up. 1432 00:43:44,767 --> 00:43:45,567 This was it. 1433 00:43:45,568 --> 00:43:46,766 We owned the world at that 1434 00:43:46,767 --> 00:43:47,233 point. 1435 00:43:47,234 --> 00:43:48,632 You've got lolcats and you've 1436 00:43:48,633 --> 00:43:49,567 got rickrolling. 1437 00:43:49,568 --> 00:43:50,799 You've got all these other 1438 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,232 things that anonymous has been 1439 00:43:52,233 --> 00:43:52,933 involved in. 1440 00:43:52,934 --> 00:43:55,066 Then, you know, take us a month 1441 00:43:55,067 --> 00:43:56,932 later and, you know, 10,000 1442 00:43:56,933 --> 00:43:58,432 people were just in the streets 1443 00:43:58,433 --> 00:44:00,566 and in every major country in 1444 00:44:00,567 --> 00:44:02,566 the world in every major city 1445 00:44:02,567 --> 00:44:04,599 in the world and what the hell 1446 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,732 just happened? 1447 00:44:05,733 --> 00:44:07,299 What changed, you know? 1448 00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:08,866 Who flipped the switch? 1449 00:44:08,867 --> 00:44:10,866 The world looked very different 1450 00:44:10,867 --> 00:44:12,266 to me at that point. 1451 00:44:12,267 --> 00:44:13,932 We all met each other. 1452 00:44:13,933 --> 00:44:15,966 The idea of an anon is you're 1453 00:44:15,967 --> 00:44:18,032 fucking alone until you get to 1454 00:44:18,033 --> 00:44:20,199 4chan, you know, and then these 1455 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,399 people think like you, you know. 1456 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,166 Then all of a sudden, you're not 1457 00:44:24,167 --> 00:44:24,700 alone. 1458 00:44:24,701 --> 00:44:27,399 You are with fucking 500 others, 1459 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,400 you know. 1460 00:44:28,401 --> 00:44:30,566 They all know the same jokes as 1461 00:44:30,567 --> 00:44:31,100 you. 1462 00:44:31,101 --> 00:44:33,466 They all have... clearly have 1463 00:44:33,467 --> 00:44:35,566 similar interests as you. 1464 00:44:35,567 --> 00:44:38,032 Here's your culture. 1465 00:44:38,033 --> 00:44:40,199 You meet your own people 1466 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,900 finally. 1467 00:44:40,901 --> 00:44:42,032 [ Crowd chanting 1468 00:44:42,033 --> 00:44:43,799 [ "don't drink the kool-aid" ] 1469 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,399 Immediately, you felt like 1470 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,432 you were at home. 1471 00:44:46,433 --> 00:44:48,132 If you were an anon, you were at 1472 00:44:48,133 --> 00:44:48,600 home. 1473 00:44:48,601 --> 00:44:50,332 We all, like, spent years in the 1474 00:44:50,333 --> 00:44:52,032 same place, looking at the same 1475 00:44:52,033 --> 00:44:53,666 pictures, laughing at the same 1476 00:44:53,667 --> 00:44:55,666 jokes, and we pretty much were 1477 00:44:55,667 --> 00:44:57,099 already friends even though 1478 00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:58,366 we've never, every met. 1479 00:44:58,367 --> 00:45:01,633 It was very happy. 1480 00:45:03,833 --> 00:45:05,332 It's perhaps a little 1481 00:45:05,333 --> 00:45:06,366 surprising. 1482 00:45:06,367 --> 00:45:08,299 It's not just preteens or 1483 00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:09,267 teenagers. 1484 00:45:09,268 --> 00:45:11,566 There's a far more even mix of 1485 00:45:11,567 --> 00:45:13,899 males and females than you would 1486 00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,366 imagine otherwise. 1487 00:45:15,367 --> 00:45:16,899 Everyone always figured 1488 00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:18,599 anonymous was a very male, you 1489 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,366 know, thing, but it wasn't like 1490 00:45:20,367 --> 00:45:21,866 that at all... at all. 1491 00:45:21,867 --> 00:45:23,566 There's some fucking hot girls 1492 00:45:23,567 --> 00:45:24,433 come through. 1493 00:45:24,434 --> 00:45:26,032 Like, there's some really... 1494 00:45:26,033 --> 00:45:28,699 Like, you'd be surprised. 1495 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:29,999 And, you know, there were a 1496 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,232 lot of... a lot of, you know, 1497 00:45:31,233 --> 00:45:32,599 these so-called guys who weren't 1498 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:33,300 socially good. 1499 00:45:33,301 --> 00:45:34,566 They were very awkward. 1500 00:45:34,567 --> 00:45:35,966 They still lived at home at 1501 00:45:35,967 --> 00:45:37,566 23... half of them are virgins. 1502 00:45:37,567 --> 00:45:39,832 And I'll tell you the amount of 1503 00:45:39,833 --> 00:45:42,066 those people who got laid from 1504 00:45:42,067 --> 00:45:44,266 these protests happening is in 1505 00:45:44,267 --> 00:45:46,566 the thousands... that would not 1506 00:45:46,567 --> 00:45:48,432 have, for years probably. 1507 00:45:48,433 --> 00:45:50,099 And that's why those protests 1508 00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,132 were so important. 1509 00:45:51,133 --> 00:45:52,766 It was a chance to finally meet 1510 00:45:52,767 --> 00:45:53,932 other people that were 1511 00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:55,399 previously anonymous and 1512 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,099 unknown, and hence it was the 1513 00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:58,766 moment of the end of their 1514 00:45:58,767 --> 00:45:59,767 anonymity. 1515 00:46:04,067 --> 00:46:06,199 Scientology... they kind of 1516 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,999 fought back, so to speak. 1517 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,832 They posted stuff online. 1518 00:46:09,833 --> 00:46:11,366 While claiming they are 1519 00:46:11,367 --> 00:46:12,999 peaceful, in less than three 1520 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,166 weeks, anonymous members made or 1521 00:46:15,167 --> 00:46:19,032 encouraged 8,139 harassing or 1522 00:46:19,033 --> 00:46:22,799 threatening phone calls, 3.6 1523 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,666 million malicious e-mails, 141 1524 00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:29,432 million hits against church 1525 00:46:29,433 --> 00:46:32,566 websites, 10 acts of vandalism, 1526 00:46:32,567 --> 00:46:35,332 22 bomb threats, and 8 death 1527 00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:37,999 threats against members and 1528 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,166 officials of the church of 1529 00:46:39,167 --> 00:46:42,033 scientology. 1530 00:46:42,233 --> 00:46:44,399 They wanted to find me. 1531 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,732 They did. They hired p.I.S. 1532 00:46:46,733 --> 00:46:48,166 They started taking pictures 1533 00:46:48,167 --> 00:46:49,566 of us, threatening to sue us. 1534 00:46:49,567 --> 00:46:51,299 People were getting followed. 1535 00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:52,932 People were getting followed 1536 00:46:52,933 --> 00:46:53,400 home. 1537 00:46:53,401 --> 00:46:54,966 It'd be a regular thing for 1538 00:46:54,967 --> 00:46:56,799 someone to say, "oh, I had to..." 1539 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,399 I had to lose someone on the 1540 00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,000 subway. 1541 00:46:59,001 --> 00:47:00,399 I saw someone from the 1542 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,999 scientology center, and they 1543 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,332 "were following me." 1544 00:47:03,333 --> 00:47:05,232 They would follow us to our 1545 00:47:05,233 --> 00:47:07,099 houses, try to intimidate us, 1546 00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:08,799 send us cease-and-desist 1547 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,567 letters. 1548 00:47:09,568 --> 00:47:11,566 These old tactics that they used 1549 00:47:11,567 --> 00:47:13,566 to fight the activism they faced 1550 00:47:13,567 --> 00:47:15,132 before the Internet were 1551 00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:17,032 completely ineffective against 1552 00:47:17,033 --> 00:47:18,866 chanology. 1553 00:47:18,867 --> 00:47:20,166 You know, most of the people 1554 00:47:20,167 --> 00:47:21,266 who received them actually 1555 00:47:21,267 --> 00:47:22,432 framed them and put them on 1556 00:47:22,433 --> 00:47:23,000 their wall. 1557 00:47:23,001 --> 00:47:24,132 I've seen multiple of them 1558 00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:25,266 framed and put on the wall. 1559 00:47:25,267 --> 00:47:26,432 Mine's sitting in my closet 1560 00:47:26,433 --> 00:47:30,599 somewhere in a box. 1561 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,866 I did the whole low-orbit ion 1562 00:47:32,867 --> 00:47:35,066 Cannon stuff, and then I pretty 1563 00:47:35,067 --> 00:47:37,066 much just went about my life 1564 00:47:37,067 --> 00:47:40,399 after that for probably, let's 1565 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,232 see, I think it's six months. 1566 00:47:42,233 --> 00:47:43,799 And then the FBI showed up here 1567 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,266 at my parents' house, where I 1568 00:47:45,267 --> 00:47:47,266 wasn't, looking for me. 1569 00:47:47,267 --> 00:47:48,599 Two men got out of the car, 1570 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,599 and took their jackets off, and 1571 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,266 laid their guns on the front 1572 00:47:56,267 --> 00:48:00,232 seat, and came up to ask us if 1573 00:48:00,233 --> 00:48:03,999 Brian was home, and explained 1574 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,332 that they were the FBI and they 1575 00:48:05,333 --> 00:48:06,399 were looking for Brian. 1576 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,066 And I've never been so scared. 1577 00:48:09,067 --> 00:48:10,666 And then my parents directed 1578 00:48:10,667 --> 00:48:12,232 them to where I was living, and 1579 00:48:12,233 --> 00:48:13,766 they showed up and said, "I'd" 1580 00:48:13,767 --> 00:48:14,999 like to have a friendly 1581 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,232 "conversation with you." 1582 00:48:16,233 --> 00:48:17,699 And I had the worst friendly 1583 00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:18,966 conversation of my life. 1584 00:48:18,967 --> 00:48:20,766 We sat down at my dining-room 1585 00:48:20,767 --> 00:48:22,566 table, and they just started 1586 00:48:22,567 --> 00:48:23,832 asking me questions. 1587 00:48:23,833 --> 00:48:25,599 And I'm trying to figure out 1588 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,466 what they're here for 'cause I 1589 00:48:27,467 --> 00:48:28,400 have no idea. 1590 00:48:28,401 --> 00:48:30,099 And they eventually started 1591 00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:31,699 asking me questions about 1592 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:32,567 anonymous. 1593 00:48:32,568 --> 00:48:33,832 I was scared to death. 1594 00:48:33,833 --> 00:48:37,666 I mean, my son is... Is looking 1595 00:48:37,667 --> 00:48:40,899 at five years in jail and a 1596 00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:42,799 $100,000 fine. 1597 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,132 You know, I had no idea that 1598 00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:45,832 it was any sort of... this big 1599 00:48:45,833 --> 00:48:47,466 of a crime to do what I did. 1600 00:48:47,467 --> 00:48:49,566 I thought it was the kind of 1601 00:48:49,567 --> 00:48:51,632 "slap on a wrist," $200-fine 1602 00:48:51,633 --> 00:48:53,299 type crime. 1603 00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,966 So, I actually told them that I 1604 00:48:55,967 --> 00:48:58,832 did it at that point. 1605 00:48:58,833 --> 00:49:02,099 Then it went from there. 1606 00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:03,932 Yeah. 1607 00:49:03,933 --> 00:49:06,199 As he explained it to me at 1608 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,399 the time, it was like pushing 1609 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,799 the refresh button over and over 1610 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,332 and over and over 800,000 times. 1611 00:49:14,333 --> 00:49:17,799 And it seems like such a little 1612 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,467 thing. 1613 00:49:18,468 --> 00:49:20,199 I did the second-most damage 1614 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,932 is what scientology said I did. 1615 00:49:21,933 --> 00:49:23,566 I sent the second-most out of 1616 00:49:23,567 --> 00:49:25,266 everybody so I got the maximum 1617 00:49:25,267 --> 00:49:26,966 for my category, which was one 1618 00:49:26,967 --> 00:49:28,566 year in prison and one year 1619 00:49:28,567 --> 00:49:33,166 supervised release. 1620 00:49:33,167 --> 00:49:34,832 I think... you know, the way I 1621 00:49:34,833 --> 00:49:36,832 feel is, for what I did... was 1622 00:49:36,833 --> 00:49:40,166 one of the most, like, lopsided 1623 00:49:40,167 --> 00:49:41,999 punishments I've ever, like, 1624 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,332 read about or heard of. 1625 00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:47,232 Yeah, I think it's ridiculous, 1626 00:49:47,233 --> 00:49:48,999 especially the year supervised 1627 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,699 release where I can't touch a 1628 00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:51,966 computer for a year. 1629 00:49:51,967 --> 00:49:53,432 I'm not sure what that's 1630 00:49:53,433 --> 00:49:55,199 supposed to solve, except make 1631 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,699 my, like, life difficult. 1632 00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:58,366 So, that computer behind me, 1633 00:49:58,367 --> 00:50:00,132 back there, I could go back to 1634 00:50:00,133 --> 00:50:01,666 prison if I went over and 1635 00:50:01,667 --> 00:50:03,266 touched it, because I can't 1636 00:50:03,267 --> 00:50:04,599 knowingly associate with members 1637 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,433 of anonymous. 1638 00:50:05,434 --> 00:50:07,132 They just made a big deal about 1639 00:50:07,133 --> 00:50:08,699 scientology as a religion and 1640 00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:10,432 that this is America and you can 1641 00:50:10,433 --> 00:50:11,599 believe in whatever you want to 1642 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,300 believe. 1643 00:50:12,301 --> 00:50:14,099 I'm pretty sure they actually 1644 00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:15,899 compared me to, like, the kkk 1645 00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:17,732 and the Nazis and stuff in the 1646 00:50:17,733 --> 00:50:18,533 courtroom. 1647 00:50:18,534 --> 00:50:20,132 Yeah, it's... it's a 1648 00:50:20,133 --> 00:50:21,932 completely different issue. 1649 00:50:21,933 --> 00:50:23,932 I'm very proud of what he did. 1650 00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:25,432 He stood up for what he believed 1651 00:50:25,433 --> 00:50:28,099 in, but that was never, ever 1652 00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,766 mentioned. 1653 00:50:30,767 --> 00:50:33,499 I never would even dream of 1654 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,932 hurting anybody, you know. 1655 00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:38,800 It's just... Not me. 1656 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,199 Prior to anonymous, critics 1657 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,366 of the church still had to be 1658 00:50:47,367 --> 00:50:49,499 very, very careful because of 1659 00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:51,566 the aggressive lawsuits that 1660 00:50:51,567 --> 00:50:53,899 were launched against academics, 1661 00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:56,199 journalists, and other critics. 1662 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,332 I would say that era is over. 1663 00:50:58,333 --> 00:51:00,432 And anonymous more than any 1664 00:51:00,433 --> 00:51:02,566 other sort of intervention is 1665 00:51:02,567 --> 00:51:04,699 probably responsible for that 1666 00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:05,467 change. 1667 00:51:05,468 --> 00:51:07,032 This actually caused a decent 1668 00:51:07,033 --> 00:51:08,000 rift in anonymous. 1669 00:51:08,001 --> 00:51:09,399 There was one big group... 1670 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,966 Significant group of people, who 1671 00:51:10,967 --> 00:51:12,266 would say, "this chanology" 1672 00:51:12,267 --> 00:51:13,732 stuff, it's cancer, it's awful, 1673 00:51:13,733 --> 00:51:15,066 it's bad, it's... it's just 1674 00:51:15,067 --> 00:51:16,632 bringing attention to us that we 1675 00:51:16,633 --> 00:51:17,333 "don't want." 1676 00:51:17,334 --> 00:51:19,332 The trolling isn't happening. 1677 00:51:19,333 --> 00:51:21,232 We aren't getting our jollies. 1678 00:51:21,233 --> 00:51:22,999 Like, now this is all really 1679 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,832 serious and moral and somber. 1680 00:51:24,833 --> 00:51:26,632 And, like, "well, that's not" 1681 00:51:26,633 --> 00:51:28,399 what I signed up for... that 1682 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,466 "kind of thing." 1683 00:51:29,467 --> 00:51:31,299 And then there are the people 1684 00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:33,266 who were on the other side, who 1685 00:51:33,267 --> 00:51:35,266 were going, "well, I only signed" 1686 00:51:35,267 --> 00:51:37,132 up for the serious and somber. 1687 00:51:37,133 --> 00:51:38,399 You guys, go away. 1688 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,266 "This is... this is," you know. 1689 00:51:40,267 --> 00:51:42,266 And, you know, there became this 1690 00:51:42,267 --> 00:51:44,266 very fierce clash of ideologies, 1691 00:51:44,267 --> 00:51:45,932 and it was alien to us. 1692 00:51:45,933 --> 00:51:47,866 And they decided... in their 1693 00:51:47,867 --> 00:51:49,866 own words, which I was privy to, 1694 00:51:49,867 --> 00:51:51,599 'cause it was told to me... 1695 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,399 "stop ruining our bad name." 1696 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,599 So, to make anonymous look bad, 1697 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,399 they go off and they post 1698 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,232 animated gifs... animated 1699 00:51:59,233 --> 00:52:01,366 images... to epilepsy forums, 1700 00:52:01,367 --> 00:52:02,832 that are black and white, just 1701 00:52:02,833 --> 00:52:04,332 strobing really quickly, so any 1702 00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:05,832 of the epilepsy people on these 1703 00:52:05,833 --> 00:52:07,299 support forums see it and they 1704 00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:08,832 fall off their chairs, you know, 1705 00:52:08,833 --> 00:52:09,567 in seizure. 1706 00:52:09,568 --> 00:52:10,866 You start hearing this term, 1707 00:52:10,867 --> 00:52:11,567 "moralfag." 1708 00:52:11,568 --> 00:52:12,966 If you're not out there making 1709 00:52:12,967 --> 00:52:14,399 epileptics have seizures, then 1710 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,599 you're doing it wrong... 1711 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,766 So, you're a moralfag. 1712 00:52:16,767 --> 00:52:18,366 Which is what I am... a 1713 00:52:18,367 --> 00:52:19,999 moralfag, those who want to 1714 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,766 use anonymous as, you know, a 1715 00:52:21,767 --> 00:52:23,399 tool for good in some sense 1716 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,199 rather than just doing what we 1717 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,999 used to do, which was to screw 1718 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,132 with video games. 1719 00:52:28,133 --> 00:52:30,466 One anon said it well once. 1720 00:52:30,467 --> 00:52:33,366 "There is no leader." 1721 00:52:33,367 --> 00:52:36,966 Their ops have... Momentary 1722 00:52:36,967 --> 00:52:38,567 "leaders, de facto leaders." 1723 00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:39,966 Almost through meritocracy. 1724 00:52:39,967 --> 00:52:41,199 There's more respected or more 1725 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,232 persistent participants. 1726 00:52:42,233 --> 00:52:43,399 Some people participate in a 1727 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,666 single operation and are never 1728 00:52:44,667 --> 00:52:45,367 heard from again. 1729 00:52:45,368 --> 00:52:46,599 It might even be a housewife who 1730 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,799 just, you know, agrees with that 1731 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,832 political statement or that 1732 00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:49,833 protest. 1733 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,399 If you had asked me all 1734 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,466 throughout 2008 and most of 1735 00:53:29,467 --> 00:53:31,432 2009, "is the politics of" 1736 00:53:31,433 --> 00:53:33,366 anonymous always gonna be 1737 00:53:33,367 --> 00:53:35,766 sutured and hinged to the church 1738 00:53:35,767 --> 00:53:37,966 "of scientology?" I would have 1739 00:53:37,967 --> 00:53:38,867 said yes. 1740 00:53:38,868 --> 00:53:41,266 And it became unsutured, 1741 00:53:41,267 --> 00:53:43,799 unhinged, when a different 1742 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,167 political wing was born in 2010. 1743 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,799 It's our task to find secret 1744 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,999 abusive plans and expose them 1745 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,566 where they can be opposed before 1746 00:54:01,567 --> 00:54:02,866 they're implemented. 1747 00:54:02,867 --> 00:54:04,666 The interesting thing about 1748 00:54:04,667 --> 00:54:06,566 someone like assange is that he 1749 00:54:06,567 --> 00:54:08,299 actually also sprang from, you 1750 00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:09,766 know, a hacker culture. 1751 00:54:09,767 --> 00:54:11,566 It's a mentality of spreading 1752 00:54:11,567 --> 00:54:12,200 information. 1753 00:54:12,201 --> 00:54:13,232 Julian was mendax. 1754 00:54:13,233 --> 00:54:14,699 He was the greatest hacker that 1755 00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:15,999 ever walked the face of the 1756 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,132 earth when I was a kid. 1757 00:54:17,133 --> 00:54:18,566 I mean, they rumored he could 1758 00:54:18,567 --> 00:54:19,999 move satellites around in space 1759 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,066 by hacking into NASA. 1760 00:54:21,067 --> 00:54:22,566 I mean, you know, maybe it never 1761 00:54:22,567 --> 00:54:24,032 happened but, I mean, you know, 1762 00:54:24,033 --> 00:54:25,399 it was a myth that kept young 1763 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,832 kids like me wanting to, like, 1764 00:54:26,833 --> 00:54:28,332 you know, plug a computer into a 1765 00:54:28,333 --> 00:54:29,832 modem and see if I can move some 1766 00:54:29,833 --> 00:54:30,767 satellites around. 1767 00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:32,566 Wikileaks is an extension of 1768 00:54:32,567 --> 00:54:34,366 the hackers ethos... truth wants 1769 00:54:34,367 --> 00:54:35,899 to be free, and we want to 1770 00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:37,899 liberate it. 1771 00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:39,832 Wikileaks released a huge 1772 00:54:39,833 --> 00:54:41,699 trove of diplomatic cables. 1773 00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:43,766 There was a lot of controversy 1774 00:54:43,767 --> 00:54:46,099 from every quarter of society. 1775 00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,599 The wikileaks website 1776 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,399 released nearly 400,000 secret. 1777 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,266 U.S. files on the Iraq war late 1778 00:54:51,267 --> 00:54:51,833 today. 1779 00:54:51,834 --> 00:54:53,432 It was the largest leak of 1780 00:54:53,433 --> 00:54:54,932 classified U.S. files in 1781 00:54:54,933 --> 00:54:55,600 history. 1782 00:54:55,601 --> 00:54:57,566 The diplomatic cables show 1783 00:54:57,567 --> 00:54:59,299 the U.S. is spying on its 1784 00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:00,067 allies. 1785 00:55:00,068 --> 00:55:01,299 Lots of things which were 1786 00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:02,566 understood in private and may 1787 00:55:02,567 --> 00:55:03,899 have been not even talked about 1788 00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:05,199 explicitly... suddenly they're 1789 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,566 out there in the cold light of 1790 00:55:06,567 --> 00:55:07,766 day, and it's gonna make some 1791 00:55:07,767 --> 00:55:09,132 governments and some individuals 1792 00:55:09,133 --> 00:55:10,567 very uncomfortable. 1793 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,466 There was one particular 1794 00:55:46,467 --> 00:55:49,332 moment that really sparked the 1795 00:55:49,333 --> 00:55:52,299 fire, and this was when PayPal, 1796 00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:55,099 mastercard, and Amazon pulled 1797 00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:56,766 services for wikileaks. 1798 00:55:56,767 --> 00:55:58,399 So, all of a sudden, there's 1799 00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,799 no way to actually, like, 1800 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,432 process donations to wikileaks. 1801 00:56:01,433 --> 00:56:03,032 And then people went and found, 1802 00:56:03,033 --> 00:56:04,266 like, Neo-Nazi groups. 1803 00:56:04,267 --> 00:56:05,566 Visa and mastercard were 1804 00:56:05,567 --> 00:56:07,099 perfectly fine with you being 1805 00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:08,766 able to, like, you know, PayPal, 1806 00:56:08,767 --> 00:56:10,099 being able to, like, make 1807 00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:12,099 donations to them. 1808 00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:14,133 But wikileaks... no. 1809 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,032 Anonymous very quickly moved 1810 00:56:42,033 --> 00:56:43,367 into an attack mode. 1811 00:56:47,133 --> 00:56:49,566 Cyber protests, sit-ins... 1812 00:56:49,567 --> 00:56:51,699 However you want to look at 1813 00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:55,199 it... ddos is a tool that is a 1814 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,366 big giant... it's like driving a 1815 00:56:57,367 --> 00:56:58,699 finish nail in with a 1816 00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:00,932 sledgehammer. 1817 00:57:00,933 --> 00:57:03,266 The numbers of participants 1818 00:57:03,267 --> 00:57:07,432 were massive... massive. 1819 00:57:07,433 --> 00:57:10,099 And they manage over the course 1820 00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:12,732 of a couple of days to disable 1821 00:57:12,733 --> 00:57:15,332 the websites of mastercard and 1822 00:57:15,333 --> 00:57:17,567 PayPal. 1823 00:57:17,733 --> 00:57:19,832 It was like watching the hack 1824 00:57:19,833 --> 00:57:21,732 magician finally get a trick 1825 00:57:21,733 --> 00:57:23,432 right, because you're not 1826 00:57:23,433 --> 00:57:25,199 expecting it and then it's 1827 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,167 magnificent. 1828 00:57:26,168 --> 00:57:28,567 It was beautiful. 1829 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,632 'Cause what you had is people 1830 00:57:31,633 --> 00:57:32,699 finding you stood up for 1831 00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:33,932 something. 1832 00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:36,766 How long has it been since we 1833 00:57:36,767 --> 00:57:39,399 had a huge, really relevant 1834 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,133 protest. 1835 00:57:40,134 --> 00:57:41,999 I'm not talking tea party, "I 1836 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,599 want to bring my guns in 1837 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:44,333 "public." 1838 00:57:44,334 --> 00:57:49,666 I'm talking... I'm talking 10,000 1839 00:57:49,667 --> 00:57:51,566 angry people said, "this is not" 1840 00:57:51,567 --> 00:57:52,932 right, and I want to do 1841 00:57:52,933 --> 00:57:54,300 "something about it." 1842 00:57:58,667 --> 00:58:01,066 Soon after, wikileaks was 1843 00:58:01,067 --> 00:58:04,566 blocked in Tunisia. 1844 00:58:04,567 --> 00:58:07,566 And anonymous got wind of that. 1845 00:58:07,567 --> 00:58:10,066 They then intervened... at 1846 00:58:10,067 --> 00:58:11,566 first, solely for the purposes 1847 00:58:11,567 --> 00:58:12,966 of, like, stopping the kind of 1848 00:58:12,967 --> 00:58:14,399 censorship that was happening. 1849 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,933 And they did some ddosing. 1850 00:58:16,133 --> 00:58:17,632 And this was a time period where 1851 00:58:17,633 --> 00:58:19,566 they were getting involved with 1852 00:58:19,567 --> 00:58:20,766 what I would call 1853 00:58:20,767 --> 00:58:22,232 "non-internety" social 1854 00:58:22,233 --> 00:58:24,166 movements and building lines of 1855 00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:25,566 solidarity. 1856 00:58:25,567 --> 00:58:26,832 My name's Pete fein. 1857 00:58:26,833 --> 00:58:28,832 You can call me an internaut or 1858 00:58:28,833 --> 00:58:29,999 a hacktivist. 1859 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,332 Telecomix is an ad hoc cluster 1860 00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:34,666 of volunteer net activists who 1861 00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:36,266 have have spent much of last 1862 00:58:36,267 --> 00:58:38,032 year trying to keep the Internet 1863 00:58:38,033 --> 00:58:39,733 running in the middle east. 1864 00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:41,566 During that time, we saw the 1865 00:58:41,567 --> 00:58:43,099 Tunisian government not only 1866 00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:44,666 censoring and filtering the 1867 00:58:44,667 --> 00:58:46,232 Internet but also doing some 1868 00:58:46,233 --> 00:58:47,866 kind of technical trickery to 1869 00:58:47,867 --> 00:58:49,232 steal people's Facebook 1870 00:58:49,233 --> 00:58:50,732 passwords and delete their 1871 00:58:50,733 --> 00:58:52,366 posts and see who was posting 1872 00:58:52,367 --> 00:58:53,766 what and, you know, fake 1873 00:58:53,767 --> 00:58:55,199 posts... stuff like that. 1874 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,099 Some Tunisian hackers came to 1875 00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:57,567 us. 1876 00:58:57,568 --> 00:58:59,366 They were members of anonymous, 1877 00:58:59,367 --> 00:59:01,199 and I didn't even know we had 1878 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,099 members of anonymous in Tunisia, 1879 00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:04,599 so it was a shock to me. 1880 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,366 And they had some... they had 1881 00:59:06,367 --> 00:59:08,132 the keys to some parts of the 1882 00:59:08,133 --> 00:59:09,866 kingdom, so to speak, when it 1883 00:59:09,867 --> 00:59:11,799 came to the dictator in Tunisia. 1884 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,566 We went in on behalf of those 1885 00:59:13,567 --> 00:59:15,299 Tunisian anons, and we helped 1886 00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:17,066 them get that and extract it, 1887 00:59:17,067 --> 00:59:18,866 and then it went to wikileaks. 1888 00:59:18,867 --> 00:59:19,966 The Tunisians overthrew 1889 00:59:19,967 --> 00:59:21,066 Ben Ali, who was kind of a 1890 00:59:21,067 --> 00:59:22,399 repressive dictator. 1891 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,966 A revolution that was 1892 00:59:23,967 --> 00:59:25,566 facilitated by... by the 1893 00:59:25,567 --> 00:59:28,632 Internet, by Facebook, and by 1894 00:59:28,633 --> 00:59:29,832 Twitter. 1895 00:59:29,833 --> 00:59:30,899 Not caused by it. 1896 00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:32,699 I mean, 50 years of dictatorship 1897 00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:34,466 has caused the arab spring, but 1898 00:59:34,467 --> 00:59:36,232 the Internet has certainly been 1899 00:59:36,233 --> 00:59:37,767 helping. 1900 01:00:01,733 --> 01:00:03,732 The same group of hackers 1901 01:00:03,733 --> 01:00:05,966 that target anti-wikileaks sites 1902 01:00:05,967 --> 01:00:08,166 have now turned their attention 1903 01:00:08,167 --> 01:00:11,367 to Egypt. 1904 01:00:11,567 --> 01:00:13,166 In kind of the lead-up to the 1905 01:00:13,167 --> 01:00:14,599 Egyptian revolution, we would 1906 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:15,899 tweet on people's behalf. 1907 01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:17,399 We'd get people from Egypt who 1908 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,999 were unable to access Twitter on 1909 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,532 their own, on our r.C. Network, 1910 01:00:20,533 --> 01:00:22,032 and we would take reports from 1911 01:00:22,033 --> 01:00:23,632 them and tweet them out using... 1912 01:00:23,633 --> 01:00:25,032 Using our account to kind of 1913 01:00:25,033 --> 01:00:27,699 help them get the word out about 1914 01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:29,567 what they were experiencing. 1915 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,966 Some of this shit is 1916 01:00:34,967 --> 01:00:37,266 personal, and one of the things 1917 01:00:37,267 --> 01:00:39,432 about the movement as a whole 1918 01:00:39,433 --> 01:00:41,799 when Egypt rolled around is that 1919 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,832 Egypt broke us emotionally. 1920 01:00:43,833 --> 01:00:46,099 Watching in real-time with live 1921 01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,199 feeds that we helped set up, 1922 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,566 Egyptians getting massacred with 1923 01:00:50,567 --> 01:00:52,433 machine guns. 1924 01:00:52,633 --> 01:00:54,399 It was different, and I have 1925 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,132 never in cyber-activism wept 1926 01:00:56,133 --> 01:00:56,767 before. 1927 01:00:56,768 --> 01:00:58,466 It's never bothered me like 1928 01:00:58,467 --> 01:00:59,000 that. 1929 01:00:59,001 --> 01:01:00,866 It's never been able to touch 1930 01:01:00,867 --> 01:01:04,032 me the way Egypt touched me. 1931 01:01:04,033 --> 01:01:05,799 It was fucked up that we were 1932 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,432 watching people killed for no 1933 01:01:07,433 --> 01:01:09,132 reason other than leaving their 1934 01:01:09,133 --> 01:01:10,732 homes, that these people had 1935 01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:12,299 every right to freedom, that 1936 01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:13,966 they had every right to choose 1937 01:01:13,967 --> 01:01:16,299 their government. 1938 01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:18,366 And then January 27th, 1939 01:01:18,367 --> 01:01:20,732 January 28th rolls around and 1940 01:01:20,733 --> 01:01:23,166 the Egyptian government starts 1941 01:01:23,167 --> 01:01:25,366 shutting down the Internet. 1942 01:01:25,367 --> 01:01:26,566 I mean, just... for the whole 1943 01:01:26,567 --> 01:01:27,799 country, for the whole country. 1944 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,032 There's this fantastic traffic 1945 01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:30,099 graph that you can see the 1946 01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:31,399 traffic coming out Egypt, and it 1947 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,732 looks like... you know, like 1948 01:01:32,733 --> 01:01:33,733 this. 1949 01:01:33,734 --> 01:01:35,732 Just totally stops. 1950 01:01:35,733 --> 01:01:36,667 And we were just shocked. 1951 01:01:36,668 --> 01:01:37,699 We were just like, "what the" 1952 01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:39,032 fuck... like, what the fuck?" 1953 01:01:39,033 --> 01:01:40,366 To think that a country would 1954 01:01:40,367 --> 01:01:42,366 completely cut itself off as 1955 01:01:42,367 --> 01:01:44,566 much as it was able to from the 1956 01:01:44,567 --> 01:01:46,232 outside world was pretty 1957 01:01:46,233 --> 01:01:47,233 unthinkable. 1958 01:01:47,234 --> 01:01:49,566 You know, we know... we know bad 1959 01:01:49,567 --> 01:01:51,433 things go on in the dark places. 1960 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,566 I put myself in their place, 1961 01:02:21,567 --> 01:02:23,799 and I found myself in a desert 1962 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,099 of nothingness because he just 1963 01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:28,232 wiped out everything that my 1964 01:02:28,233 --> 01:02:29,799 world incorporated. 1965 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,599 That just showed me and 1966 01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,832 everybody else that this same 1967 01:02:33,833 --> 01:02:35,966 thing can happen at anytime, 1968 01:02:35,967 --> 01:02:37,667 anywhere, in any government. 1969 01:02:37,867 --> 01:02:40,832 Anonymous and the people on 1970 01:02:40,833 --> 01:02:43,866 the Internet stood up and said, 1971 01:02:43,867 --> 01:02:46,366 "go fuck yourself." 1972 01:02:46,367 --> 01:02:47,866 You want to shut down their 1973 01:02:47,867 --> 01:02:50,199 Internet... fine. 1974 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,666 The people on the Internet will 1975 01:02:51,667 --> 01:02:53,066 show them how to turn it back 1976 01:02:53,067 --> 01:02:54,767 on. 1977 01:03:14,567 --> 01:03:16,066 In Egypt, the care package we 1978 01:03:16,067 --> 01:03:17,566 put together included some kind 1979 01:03:17,567 --> 01:03:18,899 of rcom information, the ham 1980 01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:22,732 radio and dial modem details. 1981 01:03:22,733 --> 01:03:23,899 In total, we helped coordinate 1982 01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:26,232 and run about 500 dial-up modem 1983 01:03:26,233 --> 01:03:29,066 lines. 1984 01:03:29,067 --> 01:03:31,199 We also googled treatments for 1985 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,432 tear gas and other kind of basic 1986 01:03:33,433 --> 01:03:35,399 medical treatment and found 1987 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,566 folks who could translate that 1988 01:03:37,567 --> 01:03:39,699 into arabic... sort of put this 1989 01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:41,899 together in a nice one-page pdf 1990 01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:43,332 and fax, and off it goes. 1991 01:03:43,333 --> 01:03:44,966 I think the most effective 1992 01:03:44,967 --> 01:03:46,299 thing was shutting down 1993 01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:48,466 government websites. 1994 01:03:48,467 --> 01:03:50,632 We're taking your dictator's 1995 01:03:50,633 --> 01:03:53,633 web pages down. 1996 01:03:55,867 --> 01:03:57,699 President hosni mubarak has 1997 01:03:57,700 --> 01:03:59,566 decided to step down from the 1998 01:03:59,567 --> 01:04:01,132 office of president of the 1999 01:04:01,133 --> 01:04:02,133 Republic. 2000 01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:34,799 We had Egyptians come thank 2001 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,466 us as we're doing this stuff, 2002 01:04:36,467 --> 01:04:38,166 and I said... I'm like, "look", 2003 01:04:38,167 --> 01:04:39,832 you guys just get our back if 2004 01:04:39,833 --> 01:04:41,200 "stuff goes down here." 2005 01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:05,632 The FBI is now investigating 2006 01:05:05,633 --> 01:05:07,566 anonymous... a loose collection 2007 01:05:07,567 --> 01:05:09,266 of rogue, tech-savvy hackers 2008 01:05:09,267 --> 01:05:11,166 credited with bringing down the 2009 01:05:11,167 --> 01:05:13,066 websites of mastercard and visa 2010 01:05:13,067 --> 01:05:14,067 last December. 2011 01:05:14,068 --> 01:05:15,232 So, over 40 raids back then, 2012 01:05:15,233 --> 01:05:16,067 they seize computers, 2013 01:05:16,068 --> 01:05:17,199 cellphones, and those kinds of 2014 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,332 technical apparatus, sometimes 2015 01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:19,399 including, in the case of the 2016 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,599 19-year-old girl living with her 2017 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:21,732 family, they took her parents' 2018 01:05:21,733 --> 01:05:24,066 stuff, too. 2019 01:05:24,067 --> 01:05:25,566 There's always been a sort of 2020 01:05:25,567 --> 01:05:27,132 cat-and-mouse dynamic, not just 2021 01:05:27,133 --> 01:05:28,732 in relation to the feds but also 2022 01:05:28,733 --> 01:05:30,199 to these sort of groups that 2023 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,632 have appointed themselves as 2024 01:05:31,633 --> 01:05:33,167 guardians of the Republic. 2025 01:05:40,667 --> 01:05:43,666 Suddenly on February 5th, 2026 01:05:43,667 --> 01:05:45,332 a financial times article comes 2027 01:05:45,333 --> 01:05:48,566 out that we all see. 2028 01:05:48,567 --> 01:05:50,066 It's quoting this guy named 2029 01:05:50,067 --> 01:05:51,832 Aaron barr, who's the c.E.O. Of 2030 01:05:51,833 --> 01:05:53,399 hbgary federal, which is an 2031 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,999 intelligence contractor, and 2032 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,566 Aaron barr is telling this 2033 01:05:56,567 --> 01:05:58,099 financial times journalist 2034 01:05:58,100 --> 01:05:59,666 Joseph menn that he's been 2035 01:05:59,667 --> 01:06:01,432 secretly monitoring the anonops 2036 01:06:01,433 --> 01:06:03,199 server, where all this is going 2037 01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,966 on, and has done so for several 2038 01:06:04,967 --> 01:06:08,132 weeks, and using his own custom 2039 01:06:08,133 --> 01:06:09,799 brand of information-operations 2040 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,766 techniques has managed to 2041 01:06:11,767 --> 01:06:14,166 identify the alleged leadership 2042 01:06:14,167 --> 01:06:16,199 of anonymous, including 25 2043 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,699 "lieutenants" of some sort. 2044 01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:20,066 We have to see this document. 2045 01:06:20,067 --> 01:06:21,099 Everyone wants to know. 2046 01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:22,366 We don't need to destroy him. 2047 01:06:22,367 --> 01:06:23,599 We don't need to destroy his 2048 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,100 company. 2049 01:06:24,101 --> 01:06:25,132 We just need to see the 2050 01:06:25,133 --> 01:06:26,566 document, and we'll decided what 2051 01:06:26,567 --> 01:06:27,832 comes next after looking at the 2052 01:06:27,833 --> 01:06:28,367 document. 2053 01:06:28,367 --> 01:06:29,133 So, they get it. 2054 01:06:29,134 --> 01:06:30,466 It was unbelievably easy to get 2055 01:06:30,467 --> 01:06:31,333 into that network. 2056 01:06:31,334 --> 01:06:32,766 And my name was on there... 2057 01:06:32,767 --> 01:06:33,667 As a screen name. 2058 01:06:33,668 --> 01:06:35,199 And gregg housh was listed there 2059 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,167 by his screen name. 2060 01:06:36,168 --> 01:06:37,599 The fact of the matter is what 2061 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,032 he told financial times was... 2062 01:06:39,033 --> 01:06:40,366 Everything he told them was 2063 01:06:40,367 --> 01:06:41,832 demonstratively untrue and very 2064 01:06:41,833 --> 01:06:42,866 much hilariously so. 2065 01:06:42,867 --> 01:06:44,166 He had to be shut up. 2066 01:06:44,167 --> 01:06:45,799 It had to be proven to the world 2067 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,332 that this guy was a retard and 2068 01:06:47,333 --> 01:06:48,899 that his information was in no 2069 01:06:48,900 --> 01:06:49,567 way valid. 2070 01:06:49,568 --> 01:06:51,399 And to put that in hacker 2071 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,366 terms, anonymous is a hornet's 2072 01:06:53,367 --> 01:06:55,332 nest and barr said, "I'm gonna" 2073 01:06:55,333 --> 01:06:57,300 stick my penis in that thing." 2074 01:06:58,967 --> 01:07:01,666 In a mere 24 hours, he was 2075 01:07:01,667 --> 01:07:04,232 owned, pwned completely by a 2076 01:07:04,233 --> 01:07:07,032 small group of participants who 2077 01:07:07,033 --> 01:07:09,467 basically went on a hacking 2078 01:07:09,567 --> 01:07:10,567 rampage. 2079 01:07:10,568 --> 01:07:12,599 Faster than you can say, "get" 2080 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,466 these hornets off my penis," 2081 01:07:14,467 --> 01:07:16,199 anonymous took down barr's 2082 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,932 website, stole his e-mail, 2083 01:07:17,933 --> 01:07:19,799 deleted the company's backup 2084 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,566 data, trashed his Twitter 2085 01:07:21,567 --> 01:07:23,566 account, and remotely wiped his 2086 01:07:23,567 --> 01:07:24,567 iPad. 2087 01:07:25,633 --> 01:07:27,299 And he had just reached the 2088 01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:28,766 "ham 'em high" level on 2089 01:07:28,767 --> 01:07:29,767 "angry birds." 2090 01:07:30,667 --> 01:07:32,332 The hbgary hack brought about 2091 01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:34,666 70,000 e-mails. 2092 01:07:34,667 --> 01:07:37,132 Probably the most important 2093 01:07:37,133 --> 01:07:39,599 ones had to do with a proposal 2094 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,566 that hbgary had already 2095 01:07:41,567 --> 01:07:42,666 formulated. 2096 01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:44,999 It was packaged up as a nice 2097 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,032 powerpoint presentation. 2098 01:07:47,033 --> 01:07:49,566 Kind of act as privatized agent 2099 01:07:49,567 --> 01:07:51,899 provocateurs where they were 2100 01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:54,066 gonna discredit wikileaks. 2101 01:07:54,067 --> 01:07:55,399 Hbgary was proposing 2102 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,932 submitting fake documents to 2103 01:07:56,933 --> 01:07:58,299 wikileaks and then, when 2104 01:07:58,300 --> 01:07:59,999 discovered as fake, the error 2105 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,732 could be called out and it would 2106 01:08:01,733 --> 01:08:03,267 discredit wikileaks. 2107 01:08:03,467 --> 01:08:05,299 So, there's a lot of, like, 2108 01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:06,799 specifics I can't talk about, so 2109 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,299 let me try to answer that, 2110 01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:11,966 though, in a general sense. 2111 01:08:11,967 --> 01:08:13,299 Well, first of all, I'm... it's 2112 01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:14,799 probably no surprise to anybody 2113 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,567 I'm not a big fan of wikileaks. 2114 01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:20,699 I think that the broad purpose 2115 01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:22,366 of trying to get as much 2116 01:08:22,367 --> 01:08:23,799 information... proprietary or 2117 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,266 classified information for the 2118 01:08:25,267 --> 01:08:26,799 government... expose that, is an 2119 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,066 extremely destructive and 2120 01:08:28,067 --> 01:08:30,232 dangerous purpose. 2121 01:08:30,233 --> 01:08:31,666 The proposals involved 2122 01:08:31,667 --> 01:08:33,332 conducting information war on 2123 01:08:33,333 --> 01:08:34,966 wikileaks and its supporters, 2124 01:08:34,967 --> 01:08:35,967 creating dissension within 2125 01:08:35,968 --> 01:08:39,299 wikileaks, ddos attacks. 2126 01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:40,966 You also wanted to launch 2127 01:08:40,967 --> 01:08:42,566 cyber attacks on wikileaks 2128 01:08:42,567 --> 01:08:43,866 infrastructure to get 2129 01:08:43,867 --> 01:08:45,299 information on document 2130 01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:46,100 submitters. 2131 01:08:46,101 --> 01:08:47,432 One thing, I guess, I want to 2132 01:08:47,433 --> 01:08:50,432 make sure is clear is... 2133 01:08:50,433 --> 01:08:53,832 None of those activities had 2134 01:08:53,833 --> 01:08:54,966 actually occurred. 2135 01:08:54,967 --> 01:08:56,366 You know, there's... in 2136 01:08:56,367 --> 01:08:58,066 business, there's... You know, 2137 01:08:58,067 --> 01:08:59,299 when you start proposing or 2138 01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:00,766 thinking about an idea, there's 2139 01:09:00,767 --> 01:09:01,832 a brainstorming phase. 2140 01:09:01,833 --> 01:09:03,166 And somebody says, "well, what" 2141 01:09:03,167 --> 01:09:04,566 if, you know... what could we 2142 01:09:04,567 --> 01:09:04,800 do? 2143 01:09:04,801 --> 01:09:06,199 "What's theoretically possible?" 2144 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,432 Well, still, this was an 2145 01:09:07,433 --> 01:09:07,833 idea. 2146 01:09:07,833 --> 01:09:08,733 This was proposed. 2147 01:09:08,734 --> 01:09:09,966 This was something that you 2148 01:09:09,967 --> 01:09:10,700 thought about. 2149 01:09:10,701 --> 01:09:13,699 Right. 2150 01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:15,566 They also wanted to go on a 2151 01:09:15,567 --> 01:09:17,232 campaign kind of targeting 2152 01:09:17,233 --> 01:09:18,799 Glenn greenwald, who's a 2153 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,566 reporter for salon, who's an 2154 01:09:20,567 --> 01:09:22,566 outspoken kind of critic of the 2155 01:09:22,567 --> 01:09:24,232 government and supporter of 2156 01:09:24,233 --> 01:09:25,033 wikileaks. 2157 01:09:25,034 --> 01:09:27,266 It seems like you're trying 2158 01:09:27,267 --> 01:09:29,399 to attack a journalist here. 2159 01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,132 Yeah, and I, you know... I 2160 01:09:31,133 --> 01:09:33,032 don't want to talk too much more 2161 01:09:33,033 --> 01:09:34,366 about Glenn greenwald, but other 2162 01:09:34,367 --> 01:09:35,333 than, you know, what I 2163 01:09:35,334 --> 01:09:36,666 previously said is, you know... 2164 01:09:36,667 --> 01:09:38,332 There was never an intent to 2165 01:09:38,333 --> 01:09:42,332 attack... journalists. 2166 01:09:42,333 --> 01:09:43,766 Not on my part. 2167 01:09:43,767 --> 01:09:46,032 You know... I guess I should 2168 01:09:46,033 --> 01:09:47,666 say... I should generalize that 2169 01:09:47,667 --> 01:09:49,132 and to say that, you know, I 2170 01:09:49,133 --> 01:09:50,599 would never just outwardly 2171 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,232 attack a journalist other than 2172 01:09:52,233 --> 01:09:53,699 if I felt that there was a 2173 01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:55,432 journalist, in my mind, that was 2174 01:09:55,433 --> 01:09:59,766 acting unethically. 2175 01:09:59,767 --> 01:10:02,766 That's a fair game for having a 2176 01:10:02,767 --> 01:10:05,133 public discussion about it. 2177 01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:06,999 They were walking a very fine 2178 01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,999 ethical line at points, and, in 2179 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,166 many cases, the mass opinion is, 2180 01:10:12,167 --> 01:10:14,700 "no, they stepped well past it." 2181 01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:16,632 I will not support broad 2182 01:10:16,633 --> 01:10:18,299 theft of... of information 2183 01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:20,132 released to the public 'cause 2184 01:10:20,133 --> 01:10:22,066 that's nothing but destructive. 2185 01:10:22,067 --> 01:10:23,799 If somebody has information 2186 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,632 that's been stolen from them, 2187 01:10:25,633 --> 01:10:27,399 and whether or not wikileaks 2188 01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,332 encouraged the theft of that or 2189 01:10:29,333 --> 01:10:31,232 whether or not it was just put 2190 01:10:31,233 --> 01:10:32,899 in their lap... still, 2191 01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:34,066 they're... they're threatening 2192 01:10:34,067 --> 01:10:36,399 to release the information that 2193 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,566 was the private property of 2194 01:10:37,567 --> 01:10:39,666 another organization. 2195 01:10:39,667 --> 01:10:42,299 So, your choices are to just 2196 01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:45,099 allow that to happen or to try 2197 01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,432 to stop it. 2198 01:10:47,433 --> 01:10:49,599 How offensive is too offensive? 2199 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:50,932 You know, we've certainly seen a 2200 01:10:50,933 --> 01:10:52,599 lot of strategy coming out of 2201 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,599 governments across the world 2202 01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:55,766 now, saying, you know... 2203 01:10:55,767 --> 01:10:57,032 Publicly admitting that they 2204 01:10:57,033 --> 01:10:58,366 need to become... they need to 2205 01:10:58,367 --> 01:10:59,566 develop better offensive 2206 01:10:59,567 --> 01:11:00,866 strategies in cyber security, 2207 01:11:00,867 --> 01:11:03,566 because defense as a whole isn't 2208 01:11:03,567 --> 01:11:05,732 enough. 2209 01:11:05,733 --> 01:11:08,399 It never is enough. 2210 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,599 In the court of public 2211 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,066 opinion that took hbgary quickly 2212 01:11:11,067 --> 01:11:12,566 from being a perceived victim to 2213 01:11:12,567 --> 01:11:13,699 being a perceived villain 2214 01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:14,333 themselves. 2215 01:11:14,334 --> 01:11:15,566 It was becoming harder and 2216 01:11:15,567 --> 01:11:16,966 harder to distinguish the good 2217 01:11:16,967 --> 01:11:18,567 guys from the bad guys. 2218 01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:22,032 Hbgary changed anonymous... 2219 01:11:22,033 --> 01:11:24,866 As tremendously as optunisia 2220 01:11:24,867 --> 01:11:25,367 did. 2221 01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:26,866 And within essentially a month 2222 01:11:26,867 --> 01:11:28,866 of each other, these two events 2223 01:11:28,867 --> 01:11:31,866 were totally formative for the 2224 01:11:31,867 --> 01:11:32,867 collective. 2225 01:11:32,933 --> 01:11:34,932 Optunisia was where it got its 2226 01:11:34,933 --> 01:11:37,032 moral compass and its sense that 2227 01:11:37,033 --> 01:11:38,799 it could affect the world. 2228 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,566 Hbgary is where it got its 2229 01:11:40,567 --> 01:11:41,767 swagger. 2230 01:11:44,467 --> 01:11:47,632 George hotz made it possible 2231 01:11:47,633 --> 01:11:50,299 for PlayStation to run 2232 01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:51,966 homebrewed software, which also 2233 01:11:51,967 --> 01:11:53,567 lets you run pirated software. 2234 01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:55,599 Yo! It's g.O. Hot. 2235 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,166 And for those that don't know, 2236 01:11:58,167 --> 01:12:00,566 I'm getting sued by Sony. 2237 01:12:00,567 --> 01:12:02,199 So, Sony went after him, 2238 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,566 claiming it was a dmca 2239 01:12:03,567 --> 01:12:04,333 violation. 2240 01:12:04,334 --> 01:12:05,666 They just kind of mass-lawyer 2241 01:12:05,667 --> 01:12:07,832 nastygrammed him and shut him 2242 01:12:07,833 --> 01:12:09,466 down and did sue him. 2243 01:12:09,467 --> 01:12:10,467 He settled. 2244 01:12:10,468 --> 01:12:12,566 And the response to that was 2245 01:12:12,567 --> 01:12:14,600 immediate and brutal. 2246 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,066 Sony has confirmed that 2247 01:12:16,067 --> 01:12:17,166 hackers broke into its 2248 01:12:17,167 --> 01:12:18,566 PlayStation network, exposing 2249 01:12:18,567 --> 01:12:19,999 the personal information of up 2250 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,033 to 77 million users worldwide. 2251 01:12:22,233 --> 01:12:23,966 Over the next six to eight 2252 01:12:23,967 --> 01:12:25,866 months, they were hacked over 20 2253 01:12:25,867 --> 01:12:26,700 times. 2254 01:12:26,701 --> 01:12:27,732 There's no evidence that 2255 01:12:27,733 --> 01:12:29,032 anonymous was anywhere near the 2256 01:12:29,033 --> 01:12:30,000 majority of the hacks. 2257 01:12:30,001 --> 01:12:31,066 One of the reasons why it 2258 01:12:31,067 --> 01:12:32,266 captured so much of the media 2259 01:12:32,267 --> 01:12:33,566 imagination when anonymous did 2260 01:12:33,567 --> 01:12:35,199 it, as opposed to when other 2261 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:36,932 people did it, is because they 2262 01:12:36,933 --> 01:12:38,599 were loud and bombastic, and 2263 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,466 they had a great image you could 2264 01:12:40,467 --> 01:12:41,899 throw on the top of your 2265 01:12:41,900 --> 01:12:43,266 article, and they made 2266 01:12:43,267 --> 01:12:44,899 statements that, when you're 2267 01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:46,666 constructing a story, you just 2268 01:12:46,667 --> 01:12:51,332 can't resist. 2269 01:12:51,333 --> 01:12:53,566 And then, kind of seemingly 2270 01:12:53,567 --> 01:12:55,399 out of the blue, there was 2271 01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,566 something by the name lulzsec 2272 01:12:57,567 --> 01:12:59,399 that sailed into the seas. 2273 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,366 Lulzsec... it's a sort of a 2274 01:13:01,367 --> 01:13:03,199 group, mostly from anonymous, 2275 01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,032 who... large part of the same 2276 01:13:05,033 --> 01:13:06,666 people who hacked hbgary. 2277 01:13:06,667 --> 01:13:07,999 And they decided to form this 2278 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,266 little group and carry on 2279 01:13:10,267 --> 01:13:12,932 operations outside the purview 2280 01:13:12,933 --> 01:13:15,300 of anonymous for awhile. 2281 01:13:29,067 --> 01:13:32,399 Lulzsec tried to say it 2282 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:33,666 wasn't anonymous for awhile. 2283 01:13:33,667 --> 01:13:35,099 They tried to divide itself off. 2284 01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:36,432 I don't think anyone bought it 2285 01:13:36,433 --> 01:13:37,133 for a minute. 2286 01:13:37,134 --> 01:13:38,699 There was no way that lulzsec 2287 01:13:38,700 --> 01:13:40,132 was not anonymous, but the 2288 01:13:40,133 --> 01:13:41,732 majority of time, the majority 2289 01:13:41,733 --> 01:13:43,432 of anons were not doing anything 2290 01:13:43,433 --> 01:13:44,632 particularly illegal. 2291 01:13:44,633 --> 01:13:46,932 When they are, a huge number of 2292 01:13:46,933 --> 01:13:49,099 them try to do that in a very 2293 01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:51,132 specific political context. 2294 01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:53,332 For those people, what lulzsec 2295 01:13:53,333 --> 01:13:55,699 was doing... they were funny but 2296 01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:57,666 they were attacking random 2297 01:13:57,667 --> 01:13:58,367 targets. 2298 01:13:58,368 --> 01:13:59,866 They were breaking the 2299 01:13:59,867 --> 01:14:02,900 quasi-rules by attacking media. 2300 01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:16,399 There was a lot of 2301 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:17,799 in-fighting about it because 2302 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,166 their way, you know, wasn't 2303 01:14:19,167 --> 01:14:20,566 really our way. 2304 01:14:20,567 --> 01:14:23,332 We will not attack the media. 2305 01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:24,899 Pbs's "frontline" runs a 2306 01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:26,599 documentary mainly focused on 2307 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,232 Bradley Manning, the alleged 2308 01:14:28,233 --> 01:14:29,966 leaker to wikileaks, and a lot 2309 01:14:29,967 --> 01:14:31,632 of Bradley Manning supporters 2310 01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:32,633 didn't like it. 2311 01:14:32,634 --> 01:14:34,599 They hacked the website, 2312 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,699 putting a story that 2pac and 2313 01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:38,866 biggie had kind of escaped the 2314 01:14:38,867 --> 01:14:40,932 world of celebrity, fame, and 2315 01:14:40,933 --> 01:14:43,032 attention and retired quietly 2316 01:14:43,033 --> 01:14:45,199 and discreetly in New Zealand. 2317 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:46,566 Lulzsec, when they attacked 2318 01:14:46,567 --> 01:14:47,866 pbs, you know, that gave me the 2319 01:14:47,867 --> 01:14:49,400 creeps, you know. 2320 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,366 As a journalist, I'm not too 2321 01:14:51,367 --> 01:14:52,932 thrilled with the idea of 2322 01:14:52,933 --> 01:14:54,866 someone judging that, "we don't" 2323 01:14:54,867 --> 01:14:56,332 like you to write that. 2324 01:14:56,333 --> 01:14:58,299 We don't like your reporting, so 2325 01:14:58,300 --> 01:15:00,032 we're gonna shut down your 2326 01:15:00,033 --> 01:15:00,767 "website." 2327 01:15:00,768 --> 01:15:02,332 I'm uncomfortable with that. 2328 01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:04,032 It could be me, and I could be 2329 01:15:04,033 --> 01:15:05,732 writing something about a group 2330 01:15:05,733 --> 01:15:07,032 that they didn't like. 2331 01:15:07,033 --> 01:15:08,666 And I'm happy to sit and talk 2332 01:15:08,667 --> 01:15:10,232 with them about it, but, you 2333 01:15:10,233 --> 01:15:11,766 know, don't shut my website 2334 01:15:11,767 --> 01:15:12,767 down. 2335 01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:30,666 Hacktivism started to 2336 01:15:30,667 --> 01:15:35,832 become... sort of... I would say 2337 01:15:35,833 --> 01:15:38,166 almost more nasty, using, you 2338 01:15:38,167 --> 01:15:39,332 know, sort of more 2339 01:15:39,333 --> 01:15:40,999 no-holds-barred kind of 2340 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,732 attacks... sort of more vicious 2341 01:15:43,733 --> 01:15:44,700 attacks. 2342 01:15:44,701 --> 01:15:48,032 Lulzsec adds this dimension 2343 01:15:48,033 --> 01:15:49,699 of bombastic lawbreaking to 2344 01:15:49,700 --> 01:15:51,866 anonymous. 2345 01:15:51,867 --> 01:15:53,199 For the people who are focused 2346 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,032 on things like the freedomops, 2347 01:15:55,033 --> 01:15:57,199 who want anonymous to be a way 2348 01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,232 of standing up to the powers 2349 01:15:59,233 --> 01:16:01,399 that be, this is diluting and 2350 01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,566 possibly counterproductive to 2351 01:16:03,567 --> 01:16:05,466 their project in anonymous. 2352 01:16:05,467 --> 01:16:07,232 You can try to make a case 2353 01:16:07,233 --> 01:16:09,066 for civil disobedience and for, 2354 01:16:09,067 --> 01:16:10,966 you might call it, crowd-sourced 2355 01:16:10,967 --> 01:16:12,266 investigations using 2356 01:16:12,267 --> 01:16:13,432 sometimes illegal means. 2357 01:16:13,433 --> 01:16:14,766 It's hard to keep making that 2358 01:16:14,767 --> 01:16:16,099 case, it's hard to maintain that 2359 01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:18,766 case when you have these people 2360 01:16:18,767 --> 01:16:20,666 from the movement... 2361 01:16:20,667 --> 01:16:23,366 Fucking with people, you know, 2362 01:16:23,367 --> 01:16:25,067 just fucking with people. 2363 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,632 They sort of saw themselves 2364 01:16:29,633 --> 01:16:31,699 as going out there and breaking 2365 01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:33,232 into, like, anything, 2366 01:16:33,233 --> 01:16:34,966 everything... government, 2367 01:16:34,967 --> 01:16:36,399 corporations, police 2368 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,432 departments... largely for the 2369 01:16:38,433 --> 01:16:40,232 same reason that anonymous 2370 01:16:40,233 --> 01:16:42,232 would. 2371 01:16:42,233 --> 01:16:44,232 They went after Arizona for 2372 01:16:44,233 --> 01:16:46,566 immigration policy. 2373 01:16:46,567 --> 01:16:49,932 50-day run causing mayhem, 2374 01:16:49,933 --> 01:16:53,432 havoc... and then ended it. 2375 01:16:53,433 --> 01:16:55,032 The computer hacking group 2376 01:16:55,033 --> 01:16:56,699 lulzsecurity has announced it's 2377 01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:58,099 disbanding, saying it had 2378 01:16:58,100 --> 01:16:59,832 achieved its mission to disrupt 2379 01:16:59,833 --> 01:17:01,199 government and corporate 2380 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,366 organizations for fun. 2381 01:17:04,367 --> 01:17:05,699 I call this whole thing the 2382 01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:07,233 rise of the chaotic actor. 2383 01:17:07,433 --> 01:17:09,766 And chaotic could be chaotic 2384 01:17:09,767 --> 01:17:11,266 good, neutral, or evil. 2385 01:17:11,267 --> 01:17:12,599 And if you go back to the old 2386 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:13,999 "dungeons & dragons" charts... 2387 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,366 And some people see it on ops 2388 01:17:15,367 --> 01:17:16,699 initially and will stick with 2389 01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:18,233 anonymous as chaotic good. 2390 01:17:18,433 --> 01:17:19,899 They saw operation payback or 2391 01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:21,566 they saw attacking scientology, 2392 01:17:21,567 --> 01:17:22,866 and they say, "that's good." 2393 01:17:22,867 --> 01:17:24,366 It's like Robin hood, right?" 2394 01:17:24,367 --> 01:17:25,766 Chaotic good... outside the 2395 01:17:25,767 --> 01:17:27,366 system but doing something good. 2396 01:17:27,367 --> 01:17:28,999 Other people saw anon as chaotic 2397 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,066 evil like the joker. 2398 01:17:30,067 --> 01:17:31,666 They just want to see the world 2399 01:17:31,667 --> 01:17:33,166 burn and are doing potentially 2400 01:17:33,167 --> 01:17:34,232 irreparable damage. 2401 01:17:34,233 --> 01:17:35,799 And the truth is, yes, it's the 2402 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,099 entire column of chaotic. 2403 01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:38,466 I'm actually a little less 2404 01:17:38,467 --> 01:17:39,866 concerned about some of the 2405 01:17:39,867 --> 01:17:41,466 things lulzsec has done and more 2406 01:17:41,467 --> 01:17:42,732 concerned about the next 2407 01:17:42,733 --> 01:17:44,299 generation of lulzsec, the next 2408 01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:45,866 turn of the crank of "who takes" 2409 01:17:45,867 --> 01:17:46,999 it further or is more 2410 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:47,733 "aggressive?" 2411 01:17:47,734 --> 01:17:49,199 Whoever fights monsters, you 2412 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:50,799 know, should see to it that they 2413 01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,333 don't themselves become one. 2414 01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:58,032 Sabu was probably the most 2415 01:17:58,033 --> 01:18:00,966 famous anon who managed to kind 2416 01:18:00,967 --> 01:18:05,466 of remain famous for awhile. 2417 01:18:05,467 --> 01:18:07,332 Somebody who gets famous in anon 2418 01:18:07,333 --> 01:18:08,966 generally gets punished very 2419 01:18:08,967 --> 01:18:10,266 harshly by anonymous. 2420 01:18:10,267 --> 01:18:12,599 But sabu managed to avoid that a 2421 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,600 few ways. 2422 01:18:13,601 --> 01:18:15,132 I mean, he was a controversial 2423 01:18:15,133 --> 01:18:16,266 figure... incredibly 2424 01:18:16,267 --> 01:18:17,799 controversial figure... inside 2425 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:18,600 of anonymous. 2426 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:19,567 He was bombastic. 2427 01:18:19,568 --> 01:18:22,566 He was thuggish. 2428 01:18:22,567 --> 01:18:26,566 But he was also very good at 2429 01:18:26,567 --> 01:18:28,266 mentoring and encouraging people 2430 01:18:28,267 --> 01:18:29,832 and giving them permission to 2431 01:18:29,833 --> 01:18:30,567 try things. 2432 01:18:30,568 --> 01:18:32,866 And that was, I think, one of 2433 01:18:32,867 --> 01:18:35,166 the most pivotal things about 2434 01:18:35,167 --> 01:18:36,332 sabu's role. 2435 01:18:36,333 --> 01:18:39,999 And it also speaks to the 2436 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,999 absolutely soul-crushing level 2437 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,666 of betrayal... When it was 2438 01:18:44,667 --> 01:18:45,999 revealed that sabu was working 2439 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,200 for the FBI. 2440 01:18:50,667 --> 01:18:53,132 There are still people who 2441 01:18:53,133 --> 01:18:55,899 cannot let go of the idea that 2442 01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:57,866 he was somehow on their side, 2443 01:18:57,867 --> 01:19:00,066 that somehow he had to have been 2444 01:19:00,067 --> 01:19:02,132 working against the FBI to help 2445 01:19:02,133 --> 01:19:03,632 them... no matter how much is 2446 01:19:03,633 --> 01:19:05,966 revealed. 2447 01:19:05,967 --> 01:19:07,566 But he had betrayed the 2448 01:19:07,567 --> 01:19:08,433 collective. 2449 01:19:08,434 --> 01:19:10,399 It devastated everyone that he 2450 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,433 had touched. 2451 01:19:29,433 --> 01:19:31,266 Hugh Davies. 2452 01:19:31,267 --> 01:19:33,266 I'm an independent barrister. 2453 01:19:33,267 --> 01:19:35,366 Amongst the cases I'm working on 2454 01:19:35,367 --> 01:19:37,299 at the moment are the lulzsec 2455 01:19:37,300 --> 01:19:38,566 base prosecution. 2456 01:19:38,567 --> 01:19:40,832 I can't comment on sabu, but 2457 01:19:40,833 --> 01:19:43,299 with cyber criminals, whatever 2458 01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:45,799 their motivation, it may not be 2459 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,099 personal profit, but it is a 2460 01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:49,999 very strong, sometimes 2461 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,366 destructive motive simply for 2462 01:19:52,367 --> 01:19:54,233 those with whom they disagree. 2463 01:19:54,433 --> 01:19:56,366 In criminal terms, it's 2464 01:19:56,367 --> 01:19:57,399 vandalism. 2465 01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,899 One has to be extremely careful 2466 01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:02,266 that one person's exercise of 2467 01:20:02,267 --> 01:20:04,766 freedom of speech is not at the 2468 01:20:04,767 --> 01:20:06,966 expense of some other quite 2469 01:20:06,967 --> 01:20:09,466 legitimate organization's equal 2470 01:20:09,467 --> 01:20:11,899 right to have a lawful website 2471 01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:14,099 operating, available to the 2472 01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:16,599 public in a Democratic society. 2473 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,132 And simply taking out lawful 2474 01:20:18,133 --> 01:20:19,632 websites 'cause you disagree 2475 01:20:19,633 --> 01:20:21,066 with them is an erosion of 2476 01:20:21,067 --> 01:20:22,632 freedom of speech rather than 2477 01:20:22,633 --> 01:20:23,833 extending it. 2478 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,899 Really, as powerful as they 2479 01:20:43,900 --> 01:20:46,232 seem to be, lulzsec and 2480 01:20:46,233 --> 01:20:47,766 anonymous are really small 2481 01:20:47,767 --> 01:20:49,566 potatoes compared to the bigger 2482 01:20:49,567 --> 01:20:51,199 operations that are going on 2483 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:52,999 that we don't hear about, maybe 2484 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,266 operations funded by 2485 01:20:54,267 --> 01:20:55,100 governments. 2486 01:20:55,101 --> 01:20:56,966 The criminal hackers... this 2487 01:20:56,967 --> 01:20:58,599 is not some lone idiot, you 2488 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,166 know, hunkered down like 2489 01:21:00,167 --> 01:21:02,066 beavis or butt-head, cackling at 2490 01:21:02,067 --> 01:21:03,732 midnight over his computer. 2491 01:21:03,733 --> 01:21:05,432 There are a few of those but 2492 01:21:05,433 --> 01:21:06,466 it's organized. 2493 01:21:06,467 --> 01:21:07,999 There are ad hoc contract 2494 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,000 workers. 2495 01:21:09,001 --> 01:21:10,132 It comes out of Russia, comes 2496 01:21:10,133 --> 01:21:11,232 out of Romania, comes out of 2497 01:21:11,233 --> 01:21:13,632 Iran... comes out of wherever. 2498 01:21:13,633 --> 01:21:16,066 But they work on behalf of the 2499 01:21:16,067 --> 01:21:18,199 usual criminal enterprises 2500 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:19,200 the computer-security 2501 01:21:19,201 --> 01:21:20,399 industry has just been growing 2502 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,666 and growing and growing over the 2503 01:21:21,667 --> 01:21:24,033 last, you know, 10, 15 years. 2504 01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:27,766 There's $10 billion companies in 2505 01:21:27,767 --> 01:21:29,299 the computer-security industry. 2506 01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:30,666 I don't know what the total 2507 01:21:30,667 --> 01:21:31,832 market cap is, but it's 2508 01:21:31,833 --> 01:21:33,232 certainly in the billions of 2509 01:21:33,233 --> 01:21:33,800 dollars. 2510 01:21:33,801 --> 01:21:35,699 Black hat, when I first started 2511 01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:37,632 coming, like 15 years ago, there 2512 01:21:37,633 --> 01:21:39,032 was, like, 500 people. 2513 01:21:39,033 --> 01:21:40,932 And there's 8,500 people today. 2514 01:21:40,933 --> 01:21:42,832 So, every year, more and more 2515 01:21:42,833 --> 01:21:44,866 people come to learn about what 2516 01:21:44,867 --> 01:21:46,032 are the attacks. 2517 01:21:46,033 --> 01:21:47,899 Companies come to, you know, 2518 01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:49,199 sell new products. 2519 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,099 And the government is coming, 2520 01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:52,899 saying, "we want to recruit" 2521 01:21:52,900 --> 01:21:54,766 you to come be our new cyber 2522 01:21:54,767 --> 01:21:55,600 "warriors." 2523 01:21:55,601 --> 01:21:57,366 The kind of thing that drives 2524 01:21:57,367 --> 01:21:58,766 people to something like 2525 01:21:58,767 --> 01:22:00,432 anonymous is that sense that 2526 01:22:00,433 --> 01:22:02,032 their government is going to 2527 01:22:02,033 --> 01:22:03,699 watch them every moment of the 2528 01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:05,099 day and, in America, our 2529 01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:06,799 government is kind of watching 2530 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:07,800 us all the time. 2531 01:22:07,801 --> 01:22:09,566 Like, we now know that with the 2532 01:22:09,567 --> 01:22:10,932 warrantless wiretapping. 2533 01:22:10,933 --> 01:22:13,166 You know, we live under constant 2534 01:22:13,167 --> 01:22:13,833 cctvs. 2535 01:22:13,834 --> 01:22:16,066 We have that sense that not only 2536 01:22:16,067 --> 01:22:18,199 are we being tracked, but it's 2537 01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,366 about to get a lot worse. 2538 01:22:21,367 --> 01:22:23,166 The NSA has embraced domestic 2539 01:22:23,167 --> 01:22:23,767 spying. 2540 01:22:23,768 --> 01:22:25,299 They're building a giant 2541 01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:26,566 spy center in Utah. 2542 01:22:26,567 --> 01:22:28,332 And the only thing... the only 2543 01:22:28,333 --> 01:22:30,066 thing... that even gives them 2544 01:22:30,067 --> 01:22:34,066 pause is encryption. 2545 01:22:34,067 --> 01:22:35,999 Anonymous gives people a way to 2546 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,832 exist outside of this system. 2547 01:22:37,833 --> 01:22:39,566 There's a certain online 2548 01:22:39,567 --> 01:22:41,566 culture that believes in certain 2549 01:22:41,567 --> 01:22:42,966 values like freedom of 2550 01:22:42,967 --> 01:22:43,833 expression. 2551 01:22:43,834 --> 01:22:45,566 They're against corruption. 2552 01:22:45,567 --> 01:22:47,266 They're against governments 2553 01:22:47,267 --> 01:22:48,999 controlling their citizens. 2554 01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,866 And when they see those values 2555 01:22:50,867 --> 01:22:52,566 harmed in some way by some 2556 01:22:52,567 --> 01:22:54,366 organization, the hacktivists 2557 01:22:54,367 --> 01:22:57,366 strike back. 2558 01:22:57,367 --> 01:22:58,699 16 people were arrested 2559 01:22:58,700 --> 01:22:59,700 today. 2560 01:22:59,833 --> 01:23:01,466 Dozens of FBI agents targeted 2561 01:23:01,467 --> 01:23:03,099 alleged members of a loose-knit 2562 01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:03,933 hacking group. 2563 01:23:03,934 --> 01:23:05,366 Armed with search warrants, 2564 01:23:05,367 --> 01:23:06,599 agents hit six homes in. 2565 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,166 New York, along with locations 2566 01:23:08,167 --> 01:23:09,433 across the country. 2567 01:23:09,567 --> 01:23:11,266 The people arrested yesterday 2568 01:23:11,267 --> 01:23:12,799 were suspected of attacking. 2569 01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,299 PayPal's website after the 2570 01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:15,866 company shut off payments to 2571 01:23:15,867 --> 01:23:16,600 wikileaks. 2572 01:23:16,601 --> 01:23:18,299 Defenders of the hackers say 2573 01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:20,032 they're merely engaged in civil 2574 01:23:20,033 --> 01:23:21,766 protest, but FBI officials worry 2575 01:23:21,767 --> 01:23:23,332 the disruptive cyber attacks 2576 01:23:23,333 --> 01:23:24,999 could move in a more dangerous 2577 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,000 direction. 2578 01:23:26,067 --> 01:23:27,132 So, the FBI shows up. 2579 01:23:27,133 --> 01:23:28,466 It's 6:00 in the morning, and it 2580 01:23:28,467 --> 01:23:29,400 was really obnoxious. 2581 01:23:29,401 --> 01:23:31,466 And I remember being frustrated 2582 01:23:31,467 --> 01:23:33,299 and angry because there was 2583 01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:35,199 nothing that I had done that 2584 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,032 would have justified an FBI 2585 01:23:37,033 --> 01:23:38,067 search warrant. 2586 01:23:38,267 --> 01:23:41,932 They came and... Guns blazing 2587 01:23:41,933 --> 01:23:43,799 and all this other good stuff... 2588 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,099 Busted down the door. 2589 01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:46,932 I immediately just dropped down 2590 01:23:46,933 --> 01:23:48,099 on the floor, 180. 2591 01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:49,966 I wasn't trying to fight nobody. 2592 01:23:49,967 --> 01:23:51,299 The theory of the case is 2593 01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:52,799 they were, you know... they 2594 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,966 flooded... "a number of people" 2595 01:23:54,967 --> 01:23:57,132 flooded access to PayPal, 2596 01:23:57,133 --> 01:23:58,466 thereby creating economic 2597 01:23:58,467 --> 01:24:00,166 distress to a protected 2598 01:24:00,167 --> 01:24:01,232 "corporation." 2599 01:24:01,233 --> 01:24:02,233 End of story. 2600 01:24:02,234 --> 01:24:04,299 This isn't... this is not a case 2601 01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:05,999 involving identity theft, 2602 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,666 involving outing e-mails, 2603 01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:09,632 involving violating privilege, 2604 01:24:09,633 --> 01:24:11,466 involving theft of services, 2605 01:24:11,467 --> 01:24:13,366 involving, you know, shutting 2606 01:24:13,367 --> 01:24:14,966 down business. 2607 01:24:14,967 --> 01:24:18,132 It is a pure case of Internet or 2608 01:24:18,133 --> 01:24:19,732 cyber sit-ins. 2609 01:24:19,733 --> 01:24:21,366 I think when barrack Obama gets 2610 01:24:21,367 --> 01:24:22,932 on television and says, "flood" 2611 01:24:22,933 --> 01:24:24,566 the switchboard, shut down the 2612 01:24:24,567 --> 01:24:25,666 Republicans, send the 2613 01:24:25,667 --> 01:24:27,399 "message"... that's legal. 2614 01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,566 And even if you accept what the 2615 01:24:29,567 --> 01:24:30,899 theory of this prosecution is, 2616 01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:31,833 it's no different. 2617 01:24:31,834 --> 01:24:34,166 This is an electronic sit-in at 2618 01:24:34,167 --> 01:24:35,567 its finest. 2619 01:24:35,733 --> 01:24:37,232 So, what I'm facing is a 2620 01:24:37,233 --> 01:24:40,399 felony... 15 years in federal 2621 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:45,066 prison and a $250,000 fine. 2622 01:24:45,067 --> 01:24:46,599 If you're a pedophile, the 2623 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:47,866 average is 11 years. 2624 01:24:47,867 --> 01:24:48,999 That's ridiculous. 2625 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,566 I mean, you can go molest 2626 01:24:50,567 --> 01:24:52,066 children and get less of a 2627 01:24:52,067 --> 01:24:55,899 sentence than you would for 2628 01:24:55,900 --> 01:24:58,032 breaking into someone's phone. 2629 01:24:58,033 --> 01:24:59,366 If you... even if you accept 2630 01:24:59,367 --> 01:25:00,799 what the government is saying is 2631 01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,999 true, what is important is that 2632 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,232 people are participating in the 2633 01:25:05,233 --> 01:25:06,033 process. 2634 01:25:06,034 --> 01:25:08,932 It is very much the process. 2635 01:25:08,933 --> 01:25:11,466 It is sitting in at a counter in 2636 01:25:11,467 --> 01:25:13,666 Selma, Alabama, 500 freedom 2637 01:25:13,667 --> 01:25:15,599 riders refusing to allow people 2638 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,399 to go sit in at a segregated 2639 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,432 lunch counter. 2640 01:25:18,433 --> 01:25:19,932 They write books about that 2641 01:25:19,933 --> 01:25:20,433 stuff. 2642 01:25:20,434 --> 01:25:22,132 It is demonstrating at a street 2643 01:25:22,133 --> 01:25:23,932 corner saying no to a war. 2644 01:25:23,933 --> 01:25:25,799 It's just a different... it's 2645 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:26,999 just a different vehicle. 2646 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,032 It's the same result. 2647 01:25:28,033 --> 01:25:29,166 You know, I would never 2648 01:25:29,167 --> 01:25:30,432 compare myself to people like 2649 01:25:30,433 --> 01:25:30,933 Gandhi or. 2650 01:25:30,934 --> 01:25:32,299 Dr. Martin Luther King, but they 2651 01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:33,599 were one person, and they were 2652 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:34,966 willing to go out and change the 2653 01:25:34,967 --> 01:25:36,366 world. 2654 01:25:36,367 --> 01:25:38,266 And their messages live on every 2655 01:25:38,267 --> 01:25:40,066 day through everybody. 2656 01:25:40,067 --> 01:25:41,566 And to not take the chance of 2657 01:25:41,567 --> 01:25:43,232 having something like that to do 2658 01:25:43,233 --> 01:25:44,566 is foolish. 2659 01:25:44,567 --> 01:25:47,966 I only wish we had 50 million 2660 01:25:47,967 --> 01:25:48,900 Mercedes haefer. 2661 01:25:48,901 --> 01:25:50,566 I'd feel a lot more comfortable 2662 01:25:50,567 --> 01:25:52,032 as a guy getting towards the 2663 01:25:52,033 --> 01:25:53,632 tail end of his career if there 2664 01:25:53,633 --> 01:25:54,732 were more Mercedes. 2665 01:25:54,733 --> 01:25:56,399 There's always gonna be legal 2666 01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,132 consequence when you decide to 2667 01:25:58,133 --> 01:25:59,067 break the law. 2668 01:25:59,068 --> 01:26:01,866 That comes with the territory. 2669 01:26:01,867 --> 01:26:03,599 And it would be naive not to 2670 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:04,567 expect that. 2671 01:26:04,568 --> 01:26:06,832 The question is whether the 2672 01:26:06,833 --> 01:26:09,432 punishment will be proportional 2673 01:26:09,433 --> 01:26:11,566 to the crime. 2674 01:26:11,567 --> 01:26:13,766 And I suspect it might not be. 2675 01:26:13,767 --> 01:26:15,832 People will be watching very 2676 01:26:15,833 --> 01:26:18,032 closely to see how these cases 2677 01:26:18,033 --> 01:26:20,666 proceed on what grounds and 2678 01:26:20,667 --> 01:26:22,732 whether there's any room during 2679 01:26:22,733 --> 01:26:24,799 the trials to think especially 2680 01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,899 of the denial-of-service attacks 2681 01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:31,066 as a legitimate form of protest. 2682 01:26:31,067 --> 01:26:33,566 So much of our lives are now 2683 01:26:33,567 --> 01:26:35,299 configured at least in part on 2684 01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:37,232 the Internet, so we better start 2685 01:26:37,233 --> 01:26:38,899 thinking about how we claim 2686 01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:40,766 parts of the Internet as spaces 2687 01:26:40,767 --> 01:26:42,833 that we can also protest. 2688 01:27:05,167 --> 01:27:08,232 This is the point in history 2689 01:27:08,233 --> 01:27:12,699 at which you decide whether or 2690 01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:14,332 not protesting is possible 2691 01:27:14,333 --> 01:27:14,967 online. 2692 01:27:14,968 --> 01:27:16,766 You can stand up, and you can 2693 01:27:16,767 --> 01:27:18,732 say freedom of speech extends to 2694 01:27:18,733 --> 01:27:19,300 online. 2695 01:27:19,301 --> 01:27:20,799 We have the right to not be 2696 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,299 monitored by our government 2697 01:27:22,300 --> 01:27:23,666 because of our opinions. 2698 01:27:23,667 --> 01:27:26,099 It's up to you. 2699 01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:27,599 You're in the position of 2700 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,267 huck Finn. 2701 01:27:28,268 --> 01:27:29,966 Do you remember huck Finn at the 2702 01:27:29,967 --> 01:27:30,900 end of the book? 2703 01:27:30,901 --> 01:27:32,566 He's told he's got to take that 2704 01:27:32,567 --> 01:27:33,666 slave and give it back. 2705 01:27:33,667 --> 01:27:34,999 Two things will happen if he 2706 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:35,567 doesn't. 2707 01:27:35,568 --> 01:27:36,832 One... legally, he'll go to 2708 01:27:36,833 --> 01:27:38,832 jail, as Jim is property. 2709 01:27:38,833 --> 01:27:40,566 Two... he'll be damned eternally 2710 01:27:40,567 --> 01:27:42,299 and burn in hellfire 'cause he's 2711 01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:44,032 in an Evangelical environment in 2712 01:27:44,033 --> 01:27:44,700 Missouri. 2713 01:27:44,701 --> 01:27:46,432 And huck smokes his corncob pipe 2714 01:27:46,433 --> 01:27:47,932 all night, thinks about it. 2715 01:27:47,933 --> 01:27:49,366 And next morning, he says, 2716 01:27:49,367 --> 01:27:51,099 "well, damn it, I'll go to hell, 2717 01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:51,600 then." 2718 01:27:51,601 --> 01:27:53,832 In other words, he discovered 2719 01:27:53,833 --> 01:27:56,232 that in order to be an expert at 2720 01:27:56,233 --> 01:27:58,632 ethics, you had to transcend the 2721 01:27:58,633 --> 01:28:00,999 legal and sanctioned religious 2722 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,399 appropriate truths of the day in 2723 01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,666 order to access the meta truth 2724 01:28:05,667 --> 01:28:07,299 of both legality and 2725 01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:08,566 righteousness. 2726 01:28:08,567 --> 01:28:10,099 Well, hackers see themselves as 2727 01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:11,632 huck putting down that corncob 2728 01:28:11,633 --> 01:28:13,066 pipe and saying, "all right", 2729 01:28:13,067 --> 01:28:13,967 I'll go to jail. 2730 01:28:13,968 --> 01:28:15,366 All right, I'll go to hell. 2731 01:28:15,367 --> 01:28:16,699 But I'm gonna do the right 2732 01:28:16,700 --> 01:28:17,233 "thing." 2733 01:28:17,234 --> 01:28:18,799 I suppose the question you 2734 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,432 really want to ask is, would I 2735 01:28:20,433 --> 01:28:22,899 do it again? 2736 01:28:22,900 --> 01:28:24,232 And honestly, after thinking 2737 01:28:24,233 --> 01:28:28,099 about it, I felt that I did what 2738 01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:29,067 was right. 2739 01:28:29,068 --> 01:28:31,432 I had a belief... I still do... 2740 01:28:31,433 --> 01:28:33,632 That what I did was the right 2741 01:28:33,633 --> 01:28:34,367 thing. 2742 01:28:34,368 --> 01:28:36,032 And hopefully someone got some 2743 01:28:36,033 --> 01:28:36,967 good out of it. 2744 01:28:36,968 --> 01:28:38,699 You know, I'd love to think that 2745 01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:40,266 maybe I stopped someone from 2746 01:28:40,267 --> 01:28:41,666 joining a cult, you know. 2747 01:28:41,667 --> 01:28:43,399 Probably wouldn't tell on myself 2748 01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:44,899 next time, but, you know, I 2749 01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:46,632 don't think I would have changed 2750 01:28:46,633 --> 01:28:48,232 a single thing other than the 2751 01:28:48,233 --> 01:28:49,666 whole "talking to the FBI" 2752 01:28:49,667 --> 01:28:50,966 thing. 2753 01:28:50,967 --> 01:28:52,299 Just that little detail. 2754 01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:53,766 Yeah, just the little detail 2755 01:28:53,767 --> 01:28:55,299 that kind of changed everything. 2756 01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:55,700 Yeah. 2757 01:28:55,701 --> 01:29:00,732 I'm angry. 2758 01:29:00,733 --> 01:29:03,432 Occasionally, I have small 2759 01:29:03,433 --> 01:29:08,899 breakdown moments of terror. 2760 01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:11,066 But I haven't stopped believing 2761 01:29:11,067 --> 01:29:12,266 what I believe. 2762 01:29:12,267 --> 01:29:14,266 I haven't stopped wanting to 2763 01:29:14,267 --> 01:29:14,933 fight. 2764 01:29:14,934 --> 01:29:17,133 I haven't stopped caring. 2765 01:29:17,333 --> 01:29:18,699 Show me what democracy looks 2766 01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:19,100 like! 2767 01:29:19,101 --> 01:29:20,566 All: This is what democracy 2768 01:29:20,567 --> 01:29:21,733 looks like! 2769 01:29:21,933 --> 01:29:23,932 Show me what democracy looks 2770 01:29:23,933 --> 01:29:28,232 like! 2771 01:29:28,233 --> 01:29:32,166 We got sold out! 2772 01:29:32,167 --> 01:29:33,732 I don't think this whole 2773 01:29:33,733 --> 01:29:35,366 issue is a technical hacking 2774 01:29:35,367 --> 01:29:35,900 thing. 2775 01:29:35,901 --> 01:29:37,566 This is more about human 2776 01:29:37,567 --> 01:29:39,232 philosophy and psychology, 2777 01:29:39,233 --> 01:29:41,066 what's motivating us, why is 2778 01:29:41,067 --> 01:29:43,199 there so much unrest or 2779 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:44,899 disenfranchisement or anger that 2780 01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:46,432 would lead people to want to 2781 01:29:46,433 --> 01:29:47,899 take matters into their own 2782 01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:49,132 hands and join them. 2783 01:29:49,133 --> 01:29:50,666 Whether you think it's bad or 2784 01:29:50,667 --> 01:29:51,699 not is irrelevant. 2785 01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:52,832 It's not going away. 2786 01:29:52,833 --> 01:29:54,132 I have stood upon the 2787 01:29:54,133 --> 01:29:56,566 mountaintop known as anonymous 2788 01:29:56,567 --> 01:29:58,432 and looked down on a world 2789 01:29:58,433 --> 01:30:00,300 enflamed with revolution. 2790 01:30:04,300 --> 01:30:05,233 What can you say? 2791 01:30:05,234 --> 01:30:06,699 Your spine tingles when you're 2792 01:30:06,700 --> 01:30:07,866 at the cusp of history. 2793 01:30:07,867 --> 01:30:09,332 When you're surfing, you know, 2794 01:30:09,333 --> 01:30:10,866 the waves of history, your spine 2795 01:30:10,867 --> 01:30:12,733 tingles. 2796 01:31:10,467 --> 01:31:12,066 Descent has a face now. 2797 01:31:12,067 --> 01:31:13,332 It has an aesthetic. 2798 01:31:13,333 --> 01:31:15,232 There's this package it can pick 2799 01:31:15,233 --> 01:31:18,432 up and put on anywhere in the 2800 01:31:18,433 --> 01:31:20,566 world for any cause it wants. 2801 01:31:20,567 --> 01:31:21,899 And sometimes that's gonna be 2802 01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:23,266 terrible, and sometimes it's 2803 01:31:23,267 --> 01:31:24,399 going to be wonderful. 2804 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:25,899 One thing I can kind of promise 2805 01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:26,966 is that it's gonna be 2806 01:31:26,967 --> 01:31:28,266 interesting. 2807 01:31:28,267 --> 01:31:29,699 It's rare in history that new 2808 01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:31,232 things happen, but I think this 2809 01:31:31,233 --> 01:31:33,932 is one of them. 2810 01:31:33,933 --> 01:31:35,632 If you have power in real 2811 01:31:35,633 --> 01:31:37,566 life and you have money in real 2812 01:31:37,567 --> 01:31:39,132 life, you know, it doesn't 2813 01:31:39,133 --> 01:31:40,999 fucking matter on the Internet. 2814 01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,932 What matters on the Internet is 2815 01:31:42,933 --> 01:31:45,366 your actual ideas, you know, how 2816 01:31:45,367 --> 01:31:47,266 smart you are, the quality of 2817 01:31:47,267 --> 01:31:48,267 you. 2818 01:31:48,333 --> 01:31:49,999 And when certain organizations 2819 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,666 that, you know... they want to 2820 01:31:51,667 --> 01:31:53,232 extend their real-life power 2821 01:31:53,233 --> 01:31:54,766 onto the Internet, it's not 2822 01:31:54,767 --> 01:31:56,399 gonna fucking take because of 2823 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,267 anonymous. 2824 01:32:34,467 --> 01:32:36,566 I don't care if you're a 2825 01:32:36,567 --> 01:32:38,866 democrat or a republican or an 2826 01:32:38,867 --> 01:32:40,899 independent or if you like 2827 01:32:40,900 --> 01:32:42,899 Ron Paul or if you worship 2828 01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:45,632 pigeons or scientology or if 2829 01:32:45,633 --> 01:32:48,466 you're catholic or atheist or 2830 01:32:48,467 --> 01:32:49,467 methodist. 2831 01:32:49,567 --> 01:32:51,799 I don't care about that. 2832 01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:52,966 Your opinion matters. 2833 01:32:52,967 --> 01:32:54,599 I don't care if I disagree with 2834 01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:54,967 it. 2835 01:32:54,968 --> 01:32:56,432 I don't care if I hate your 2836 01:32:56,433 --> 01:32:58,166 guts. 2837 01:32:58,167 --> 01:33:00,333 Your opinion matters. 2838 01:33:24,700 --> 01:33:26,166 Is there going to be any 2839 01:33:26,167 --> 01:33:27,067 further action? 2840 01:33:27,068 --> 01:33:28,732 I mean, does anonymous intend to 2841 01:33:28,733 --> 01:33:32,099 prove that they can, in fact, 2842 01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:34,032 manipulate the westboro baptist 2843 01:33:34,033 --> 01:33:35,732 church network of websites? 2844 01:33:35,733 --> 01:33:37,266 What can we expect going 2845 01:33:37,267 --> 01:33:38,866 forward, anonymous? 2846 01:33:38,867 --> 01:33:41,132 Actually, I'm working on that 2847 01:33:41,133 --> 01:33:42,033 right now. 2848 01:33:42,034 --> 01:33:44,132 He's working on that right 2849 01:33:44,133 --> 01:33:44,667 now! 2850 01:33:44,667 --> 01:33:45,300 Oh, yay. 2851 01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:46,300 So, hold on. 2852 01:33:46,301 --> 01:33:48,099 I am getting a thumbs up from my 2853 01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,832 producer that there has been a 2854 01:33:49,833 --> 01:33:51,566 message posted that appears to 2855 01:33:51,567 --> 01:33:53,932 be from anonymous on downloads. 2856 01:33:53,933 --> 01:33:55,699 Westborobaptistchurch.com. 2857 01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:57,266 Anonymous, are you taking 2858 01:33:57,267 --> 01:33:58,766 responsibility for this? 2859 01:33:58,767 --> 01:33:59,400 Yep. 2860 01:33:59,401 --> 01:34:01,232 We just did it right now this 2861 01:34:01,233 --> 01:34:02,100 very second. 2862 01:34:02,101 --> 01:34:03,599 That is so special. 2863 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,467 That's so special. 176820

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