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Good evening to all of you. 11 00:01:18,686 --> 00:01:19,896 Thank you. 12 00:03:13,271 --> 00:03:15,687 I am beginning to recognize the fact 13 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:18,687 that nothing is true. 14 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:20,520 Nothing. 15 00:03:20,603 --> 00:03:22,478 It's all down to perception. 16 00:03:24,271 --> 00:03:26,396 My immediate family is gone. 17 00:03:26,478 --> 00:03:28,562 But that's life. 18 00:03:28,645 --> 00:03:30,228 It's the same thing with every family, 19 00:03:30,312 --> 00:03:32,312 that someone will be left in the end. 20 00:03:34,978 --> 00:03:36,937 And this time of life, 21 00:03:37,021 --> 00:03:39,562 I have fantastic memories, 22 00:03:39,645 --> 00:03:41,896 but everybody's memory is different, 23 00:03:41,978 --> 00:03:44,520 so they're just my memories, you know? 24 00:03:46,312 --> 00:03:48,021 I know that Maurice and Robin would've had 25 00:03:48,103 --> 00:03:50,562 a different kind of memory. 26 00:03:57,312 --> 00:03:59,228 I remember Barry saying that one day, 27 00:03:59,312 --> 00:04:01,270 we're gonna be really famous. 28 00:04:01,354 --> 00:04:04,062 And we said, "Oh, yeah." You know, "Whatever you say." 29 00:04:04,145 --> 00:04:06,562 He's the big brother, you know. 30 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,103 We kind of saw ourselves as triplets 31 00:04:10,187 --> 00:04:12,271 rather than me and Maurice being twins, 32 00:04:12,353 --> 00:04:14,770 and we always had the same goals growing up 33 00:04:14,853 --> 00:04:16,687 that it became impossible to see each other 34 00:04:16,769 --> 00:04:19,271 as normal brothers. 35 00:04:19,353 --> 00:04:20,937 My ninth Christmas, 36 00:04:21,021 --> 00:04:22,980 there was an acoustic guitar at the end of my bed, 37 00:04:23,062 --> 00:04:25,103 and Robin and Maurice started to collaborate 38 00:04:25,187 --> 00:04:26,812 and pretend to sing with me, 39 00:04:26,896 --> 00:04:30,353 and we started doing gigs as a teenage act. 40 00:04:31,603 --> 00:04:33,103 We emigrated as a whole family 41 00:04:33,187 --> 00:04:35,271 from England to Australia. 42 00:04:35,353 --> 00:04:37,103 All three of us had the same understanding 43 00:04:37,187 --> 00:04:38,437 that we were going to be famous 44 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:39,978 come hell or high water. 45 00:04:47,187 --> 00:04:48,978 Our father, he had his own band, 46 00:04:49,062 --> 00:04:52,228 but it didn't work out, so he became our manager, 47 00:04:52,312 --> 00:04:53,312 and it was a team. 48 00:04:53,353 --> 00:04:54,769 There was us three and Dad. 49 00:04:54,853 --> 00:04:56,146 And Mum, of course. 50 00:04:56,228 --> 00:04:58,437 My mother, she was always the person 51 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:00,812 who kept the calm between Dad and us. 52 00:05:00,896 --> 00:05:03,437 Very strong, very loyal. 53 00:05:05,519 --> 00:05:06,978 The Beatles have just arrived 54 00:05:07,062 --> 00:05:08,853 for the first time in our country. 55 00:05:08,937 --> 00:05:10,396 When the Beatles came on the scene, 56 00:05:10,478 --> 00:05:13,271 it was like, "That's what we've been trying to do." 57 00:05:13,353 --> 00:05:14,954 They turned pop music into an art form, 58 00:05:15,021 --> 00:05:16,538 and they were singing three-part harmony 59 00:05:16,562 --> 00:05:17,687 like we did. 60 00:05:17,769 --> 00:05:19,103 So we made up our own minds 61 00:05:19,187 --> 00:05:22,146 that we were going back to be part of the British Invasion. 62 00:05:22,228 --> 00:05:23,937 Making music was what we wanted to do 63 00:05:24,021 --> 00:05:25,478 for the rest of our lives, 64 00:05:25,562 --> 00:05:27,579 so we thought, you know, whatever's going to happen, 65 00:05:27,603 --> 00:05:29,978 we'll make happen. 66 00:05:35,312 --> 00:05:37,103 Before we left Australia, 67 00:05:37,187 --> 00:05:39,187 we did an album called "Spicks and Specks," 68 00:05:39,271 --> 00:05:41,228 and they became our best demos. 69 00:05:45,769 --> 00:05:47,728 Dad and I did the rounds, 70 00:05:47,812 --> 00:05:49,187 met with industry people, 71 00:05:49,271 --> 00:05:50,728 and as we sat in everyone's office, 72 00:05:50,812 --> 00:05:52,312 they would say the same thing: 73 00:05:52,396 --> 00:05:55,021 "No, no, I'm sorry, lads. We can't help you." 74 00:05:55,103 --> 00:05:57,728 My dad, he was very, you know, "We gotta do this." 75 00:05:57,812 --> 00:06:00,021 Because my dad was really the most ambitious man, 76 00:06:00,103 --> 00:06:02,021 I think, in the Gibb clan. 77 00:06:02,103 --> 00:06:03,271 We loved the Beatles, 78 00:06:03,353 --> 00:06:05,644 so Dad had sent this stuff to NEMS, 79 00:06:05,728 --> 00:06:08,312 the Brian Epstein offices. 80 00:06:08,396 --> 00:06:10,519 Brian Epstein, the man who built the Beatles 81 00:06:10,603 --> 00:06:11,853 into a cult, 82 00:06:11,937 --> 00:06:13,812 is now as well-known as they are. 83 00:06:13,896 --> 00:06:17,187 I was doing Brian's mail most of the time. 84 00:06:17,271 --> 00:06:18,896 There was a letter by the father 85 00:06:18,978 --> 00:06:22,687 of these three handsome, cute guys 86 00:06:22,769 --> 00:06:26,271 who were very proactive and who'd had some success. 87 00:06:26,353 --> 00:06:27,562 They came from Manchester, 88 00:06:27,644 --> 00:06:30,228 but they were writing from Australia. 89 00:06:30,312 --> 00:06:31,728 I showed it to him. 90 00:06:31,812 --> 00:06:33,896 Brian said, "Yeah, yeah. That's very nice. No, nice." 91 00:06:33,978 --> 00:06:35,853 He said, "Well, give it to Robert." 92 00:06:36,978 --> 00:06:38,603 "He's Australian 93 00:06:38,687 --> 00:06:40,603 and he's good at these kind of things." 94 00:06:40,687 --> 00:06:41,769 Somebody sent you a tape 95 00:06:41,853 --> 00:06:43,562 of these boys from Australia? 96 00:06:43,644 --> 00:06:44,687 Yes, they did. 97 00:06:44,769 --> 00:06:46,562 Oh. 98 00:06:46,644 --> 00:06:50,728 I heard it, and I was absolutely astounded. 99 00:06:50,812 --> 00:06:52,728 It was the most brilliant harmony singing 100 00:06:52,812 --> 00:06:54,896 and composing I'd ever heard. 101 00:07:14,353 --> 00:07:17,271 At the time, Robert was my manager. 102 00:07:17,353 --> 00:07:20,146 Cream was signed to Robert 103 00:07:20,228 --> 00:07:22,437 on what I thought was an exclusive deal. 104 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:26,271 I was surprised that other bands were coming in. 105 00:07:27,896 --> 00:07:29,853 Robert was so eccentric. 106 00:07:29,937 --> 00:07:32,437 I mean, absolutely bonkers. 107 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:35,896 He was Australian, but he spoke like an English gentleman, 108 00:07:35,978 --> 00:07:38,519 and he would wear these really big, flashy ties, 109 00:07:38,603 --> 00:07:41,978 and he had a combover, and it was all... 110 00:07:42,062 --> 00:07:43,644 Who is this guy? 111 00:07:43,728 --> 00:07:46,103 Whoever this man was, he really believed in us. 112 00:07:46,187 --> 00:07:48,187 He was almost like a parent. 113 00:07:48,271 --> 00:07:50,687 You can't deny talent, 114 00:07:50,769 --> 00:07:53,478 and the talent was so obvious. 115 00:07:58,687 --> 00:08:01,478 Somebody mentioned that the Bee Gees were in town. 116 00:08:01,562 --> 00:08:05,228 They were good friends of mine from Australia. 117 00:08:05,312 --> 00:08:07,644 So I phoned them up. 118 00:08:07,728 --> 00:08:08,997 I said, "Is Maurice there, then?" 119 00:08:09,021 --> 00:08:10,146 Put Maurice on." 120 00:08:10,228 --> 00:08:11,978 He said, "We've being signed up" 121 00:08:12,062 --> 00:08:13,978 "by this guy called Robert Stigwood. 122 00:08:14,062 --> 00:08:15,769 "We're doing this recording. 123 00:08:15,853 --> 00:08:18,103 Why don't you come and play guitar?" 124 00:08:18,187 --> 00:08:22,146 Caught a train into London and found IBC Studios. 125 00:08:22,228 --> 00:08:23,519 So there they were. 126 00:08:23,603 --> 00:08:25,312 There were Barry, Robin, and Maurice 127 00:08:25,396 --> 00:08:28,021 and the drummer, Colin Petersen. 128 00:08:28,103 --> 00:08:29,103 That night, 129 00:08:29,146 --> 00:08:32,187 my life changed completely. 130 00:08:32,269 --> 00:08:34,104 Completely. 131 00:08:35,562 --> 00:08:36,580 The first evening we were in there, 132 00:08:36,604 --> 00:08:38,187 there was a blackout. 133 00:08:38,269 --> 00:08:40,205 So while we were waiting for the power to come back on, 134 00:08:40,229 --> 00:08:41,144 we just sat on the steps, 135 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:43,019 and Barry was playing his guitar. 136 00:08:43,104 --> 00:08:44,687 It was so echoey. 137 00:08:44,769 --> 00:08:47,187 I mean, it was a wonderful echo in this place. 138 00:08:47,269 --> 00:08:48,687 There we were in the dark. 139 00:08:48,769 --> 00:08:50,120 The first thought was, "In the event 140 00:08:50,144 --> 00:08:51,346 of something happening to me." 141 00:08:55,729 --> 00:08:57,769 And we thought, "Well, what could come from that?" 142 00:09:01,812 --> 00:09:03,211 We made believe we were in a mine. 143 00:09:26,644 --> 00:09:28,120 Because it was gonna be our first single, 144 00:09:28,144 --> 00:09:29,955 we wanted a title that captured the imagination, 145 00:09:29,979 --> 00:09:31,769 that got people's attention. 146 00:09:31,854 --> 00:09:34,019 And "New York Mining Disaster" was born then. 147 00:09:34,104 --> 00:09:36,437 We had our first hit record within the first five months 148 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:37,687 of being in England. 149 00:09:37,769 --> 00:09:39,894 The thrill was that it did the same thing in America. 150 00:09:39,979 --> 00:09:41,580 We thought that we might get a hit in England, 151 00:09:41,604 --> 00:09:42,955 but we never dreamed that we might get a hit 152 00:09:42,979 --> 00:09:44,479 in England and America as well. 153 00:09:49,479 --> 00:09:51,269 So I came over to the United States 154 00:09:51,354 --> 00:09:53,437 to make a record deal for them. 155 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:57,604 I made a decision to place the group with Atlantic. 156 00:10:00,562 --> 00:10:02,442 He said, "I'm taking you to meet Ahmet Ertegun" 157 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:05,269 and to get you into the American music scene." 158 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:08,437 Otis Redding was playing at the Apollo. 159 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:09,812 Ahmet Ertegun and Robert Stigwood 160 00:10:09,894 --> 00:10:11,729 took me down there to see Otis. 161 00:10:13,854 --> 00:10:15,394 And it was amazing. 162 00:10:15,479 --> 00:10:17,979 Soul has always had a special place 163 00:10:18,062 --> 00:10:19,144 in the Bee Gees' music. 164 00:10:19,229 --> 00:10:20,995 We've always been influenced by Black music. 165 00:10:21,019 --> 00:10:23,229 Smokey Robinson, Motown, 166 00:10:23,312 --> 00:10:25,269 all that was a big influence on us. 167 00:10:25,354 --> 00:10:26,854 Robert introduced us. 168 00:10:26,937 --> 00:10:30,479 He said, "I want you to write a song for Otis Redding." 169 00:10:30,562 --> 00:10:32,479 "To Love Somebody" was born that night. 170 00:10:34,729 --> 00:10:36,604 But unfortunately, 171 00:10:36,687 --> 00:10:38,479 Otis never got to record the song. 172 00:11:03,229 --> 00:11:05,312 I mean, I must have always known 173 00:11:05,394 --> 00:11:06,979 "To Love Somebody," 174 00:11:07,062 --> 00:11:10,019 'cause that song is just, like, in the ether. 175 00:11:10,104 --> 00:11:11,870 Those lyrics, "There's a certain kind of light" 176 00:11:11,894 --> 00:11:13,019 that never shone on me," 177 00:11:13,104 --> 00:11:14,745 like, I don't even know if he's talking about himself, 178 00:11:14,769 --> 00:11:17,144 but there was some point where I got obsessed, 179 00:11:17,229 --> 00:11:19,019 like, tracking down every cover version, 180 00:11:19,104 --> 00:11:21,519 like Nina Simone, the Animals. 181 00:11:21,604 --> 00:11:23,854 Some great singers have sung that song, obviously, 182 00:11:23,937 --> 00:11:26,229 but his vocal, when he sings it, 183 00:11:26,312 --> 00:11:28,519 I can still get chills thinking about it. 184 00:11:54,479 --> 00:11:58,062 I just remember this music being on, 185 00:11:58,144 --> 00:12:00,062 and I'm like, "Who's this?" 186 00:12:00,144 --> 00:12:03,394 And, "Why, it's the Bee Gees." 187 00:12:03,479 --> 00:12:04,854 And I was like, "The Bee Gees?" 188 00:12:06,937 --> 00:12:08,769 It actually blew my mind. 189 00:12:08,854 --> 00:12:12,229 Those early records sound like the Beatles' early records. 190 00:12:15,937 --> 00:12:18,394 It's classic '60s guitar pop sound, 191 00:12:18,479 --> 00:12:19,999 but then it had another thing going on. 192 00:12:23,312 --> 00:12:25,187 You've got the brothers singing, 193 00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:27,187 and when you've got brothers singing, 194 00:12:27,269 --> 00:12:29,562 it's like an instrument that nobody else can buy. 195 00:12:40,894 --> 00:12:43,269 You can't go buy that sound in a shop. 196 00:12:43,354 --> 00:12:44,580 You can buy a Fender Stratocaster 197 00:12:44,604 --> 00:12:47,937 and put it through a VOX amp and sound like Buddy Holly. 198 00:12:48,019 --> 00:12:49,437 You can't sing like the Bee Gees, 199 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:50,604 because when you've got 200 00:12:50,687 --> 00:12:52,144 family members singing together, 201 00:12:52,229 --> 00:12:53,729 it's unique. 202 00:12:53,812 --> 00:12:56,894 It's the blend of the tones of each brother. 203 00:12:56,979 --> 00:13:00,269 And Robin had this wonderful, tear-jerking voice. 204 00:13:04,562 --> 00:13:06,269 Robin was a joyous kid. 205 00:13:06,354 --> 00:13:08,104 Hysterically funny. 206 00:13:08,187 --> 00:13:10,769 He took great joy in being on television. 207 00:13:10,854 --> 00:13:13,187 This was the funniest kid you could ever meet. 208 00:13:13,269 --> 00:13:15,038 My father always used to call him the nanny goat. 209 00:13:15,062 --> 00:13:16,812 'Cause Robin would go... 210 00:13:16,894 --> 00:13:18,536 He'd be rehearsing in the back of the car, 211 00:13:18,562 --> 00:13:19,841 you know, doing all these phases 212 00:13:21,729 --> 00:13:22,979 And he'd go, "Shut up!" 213 00:13:23,062 --> 00:13:24,461 You sound like a bloody nanny goat." 214 00:13:34,937 --> 00:13:37,479 Robin was always a bit of a loner. 215 00:13:37,562 --> 00:13:39,687 I like being spontaneous. 216 00:13:39,769 --> 00:13:40,913 I like being funny with people, 217 00:13:40,937 --> 00:13:43,312 but you won't get that right away with me, you see. 218 00:13:43,394 --> 00:13:46,144 Robin had a wit that no one could compete with. 219 00:13:46,229 --> 00:13:47,854 And he could be very dark too. 220 00:13:51,394 --> 00:13:52,875 Robin is not a person who would say, 221 00:13:52,937 --> 00:13:54,187 "Oh, I love my brothers," 222 00:13:54,269 --> 00:13:56,312 or, "Group hug." 223 00:13:56,394 --> 00:13:57,604 You know, none of that stuff. 224 00:13:57,687 --> 00:13:59,394 I'm basically a very shy person. 225 00:13:59,479 --> 00:14:01,187 I'm very hard to get to know. 226 00:14:01,269 --> 00:14:05,019 I have to really know somebody before I reveal myself. 227 00:14:18,269 --> 00:14:19,580 You know, I mean, that's the voice. 228 00:14:19,604 --> 00:14:22,354 That's the voice that reaches your heart. 229 00:14:27,604 --> 00:14:29,354 We did a show at the Saville Theatre, 230 00:14:29,437 --> 00:14:32,187 and Paul McCartney was there with Jane Asher, 231 00:14:32,269 --> 00:14:33,479 because Robert had said, 232 00:14:33,562 --> 00:14:35,729 "Would you come and see the boys?" 233 00:14:35,812 --> 00:14:36,729 When you think that 234 00:14:36,812 --> 00:14:39,354 five months before all this was going on, 235 00:14:39,437 --> 00:14:42,519 I was in Pitt Street buying up the Beatle fan club book, 236 00:14:42,604 --> 00:14:45,269 and now here I am partying with these guys. 237 00:14:45,354 --> 00:14:47,354 We felt like we'd arrived. 238 00:14:47,437 --> 00:14:49,687 Now I'm living out in Highgate outside London. 239 00:14:49,769 --> 00:14:51,894 Barry's got a place in Eaton Square. 240 00:14:51,979 --> 00:14:53,894 Robin's got a house in St. George's Hill, 241 00:14:53,979 --> 00:14:55,062 beautiful area. 242 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:57,562 And Mum and Dad had their own place, 243 00:14:57,644 --> 00:15:00,104 and, of course, Andy lived with them. 244 00:15:00,187 --> 00:15:01,729 He was just like us, 245 00:15:01,812 --> 00:15:03,562 and he was always tagging along, 246 00:15:03,644 --> 00:15:06,062 hoping that one day, he would do this too. 247 00:15:06,144 --> 00:15:07,562 He would like to sing. 248 00:15:07,644 --> 00:15:09,687 There was a lot of hits in that short time, 249 00:15:09,769 --> 00:15:11,104 you know, and after all the work 250 00:15:11,187 --> 00:15:13,019 we had done through clubs and everything, 251 00:15:13,104 --> 00:15:14,687 I felt grown up, you know, 252 00:15:14,769 --> 00:15:16,229 so we made the most of it. 253 00:15:16,312 --> 00:15:18,312 Very talented group of men, the Bee Gees. 254 00:15:18,394 --> 00:15:20,479 Once again, the fabulous Bee Gees. 255 00:15:20,562 --> 00:15:22,205 Here they are, and get involved with the Bee Gees. 256 00:15:22,229 --> 00:15:23,229 Here they are. 257 00:15:29,394 --> 00:15:30,519 By then, we were flying, 258 00:15:30,604 --> 00:15:33,562 you know, just the most amazing experience. 259 00:15:42,687 --> 00:15:43,729 As a pop group, 260 00:15:43,812 --> 00:15:45,769 this was the biggest moment of our lives. 261 00:15:45,854 --> 00:15:47,269 Never expected. 262 00:15:47,354 --> 00:15:50,104 Hoped for but never really expected. 263 00:16:04,269 --> 00:16:06,479 Then came "Massachusetts." 264 00:16:06,562 --> 00:16:08,812 Robin said, "I've got this idea for a song." 265 00:16:08,894 --> 00:16:10,687 He sang the melody, 266 00:16:10,769 --> 00:16:13,562 and I just remember our jaws dropping. 267 00:16:51,937 --> 00:16:55,019 For me, they connected from very early on. 268 00:16:55,104 --> 00:16:57,644 "Massachusetts" is probably the first song, 269 00:16:57,729 --> 00:16:59,562 I think, that really resonates. 270 00:16:59,644 --> 00:17:03,979 There is a gospel quality to it. 271 00:17:04,060 --> 00:17:06,685 There is a folk quality to it. 272 00:17:06,769 --> 00:17:09,644 I didn't know where the hell Massachusetts was, 273 00:17:09,729 --> 00:17:11,060 but I found myself singing that 274 00:17:11,144 --> 00:17:15,188 and translating it to where I was from. 275 00:17:15,269 --> 00:17:16,438 Robert runs up and he goes, 276 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:18,854 "'Massachusetts' has just gone to number one." 277 00:17:18,935 --> 00:17:20,019 We went, "What?" 278 00:17:20,104 --> 00:17:22,019 To have a number one in England, 279 00:17:22,104 --> 00:17:23,894 you have no idea how much we dreamed of this 280 00:17:23,979 --> 00:17:24,979 back in Australia. 281 00:17:36,313 --> 00:17:38,894 "Massachusetts" from the Bee Gees. 282 00:17:38,979 --> 00:17:41,060 I met the Bee Gees at "Top of the Pops." 283 00:17:41,144 --> 00:17:42,560 I was young. 284 00:17:42,644 --> 00:17:45,188 Was I 16? Maybe I was even 17. 285 00:17:45,269 --> 00:17:48,060 Top pop girl in America, top pop girl in Britain, 286 00:17:48,144 --> 00:17:49,604 the one and only Lulu. 287 00:17:58,644 --> 00:18:02,104 The Bee Gees were always in the studio. 288 00:18:02,188 --> 00:18:03,729 They were always recording. 289 00:18:05,229 --> 00:18:06,662 They would literally go into the studio 290 00:18:06,685 --> 00:18:08,229 and start writing. 291 00:18:08,313 --> 00:18:11,438 I had never known anything like that before. 292 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:12,979 We don't usually write our lyrics 293 00:18:13,060 --> 00:18:14,810 till the day we sing them. 294 00:18:14,894 --> 00:18:17,269 We usually write our lyrics in the studio itself. 295 00:18:17,354 --> 00:18:19,438 That seems to work through thick and thin. 296 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:21,269 It always works for us. 297 00:18:21,354 --> 00:18:23,810 It's very hard to describe how we write, 298 00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:25,313 but the only way I can describe 299 00:18:25,394 --> 00:18:28,060 how we work at it is by becoming one mind. 300 00:18:28,144 --> 00:18:30,229 Maurice had unique insight 301 00:18:30,313 --> 00:18:32,104 into the way Robin and I thought. 302 00:18:33,810 --> 00:18:35,979 He would just be fiddling around on the piano. 303 00:18:36,060 --> 00:18:38,438 He'd suddenly play something, and, 304 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:39,560 "What was that?" 305 00:18:39,644 --> 00:18:41,644 He was trying to please us 306 00:18:41,729 --> 00:18:44,188 and the way that we would all try to please each other, 307 00:18:44,269 --> 00:18:46,854 and that sometimes was the birth of a song. 308 00:18:46,935 --> 00:18:48,079 All of a sudden, we'll wake each other's 309 00:18:48,104 --> 00:18:49,979 little instincts up and the melodies come. 310 00:18:50,060 --> 00:18:52,519 It's wonderful when you hear it taking shape. 311 00:18:52,604 --> 00:18:53,810 Then it all blossoms. 312 00:18:53,894 --> 00:18:55,479 The third verse is four bars. 313 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,979 It's rolling. 314 00:18:57,060 --> 00:18:58,912 They'd say, "Okay, we're ready to roll," right? 315 00:18:58,935 --> 00:19:00,871 And they'd play the song, and I'd work the chords out. 316 00:19:00,894 --> 00:19:02,144 Colin would figure out 317 00:19:02,229 --> 00:19:03,935 what he's gonna do on the drums. 318 00:19:04,019 --> 00:19:05,604 They'd say, "Right, here we go." 319 00:19:05,685 --> 00:19:07,144 Let's go. Bang, bang, bang." 320 00:19:07,229 --> 00:19:08,229 Down it went. 321 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,810 And that spontaneity came out in the songs. 322 00:19:14,894 --> 00:19:17,935 In those days, you knocked an album out in three weeks. 323 00:19:18,019 --> 00:19:20,188 I think we had three albums out in one year. 324 00:19:32,229 --> 00:19:33,854 When we went to Europe, 325 00:19:33,935 --> 00:19:36,519 there'd always be a big bunch of kids outside 326 00:19:36,604 --> 00:19:38,188 waiting for us to arrive. 327 00:19:38,269 --> 00:19:39,854 It was a frightening time, 328 00:19:39,935 --> 00:19:42,394 because they crawled all over the Mercedes. 329 00:19:42,479 --> 00:19:45,313 They were on the roof. They were at the window. 330 00:19:45,394 --> 00:19:47,229 It was crazy. 331 00:19:47,313 --> 00:19:48,604 "Hey, guys. 332 00:19:48,685 --> 00:19:50,979 Do you think we're famous? Could be." 333 00:19:54,144 --> 00:19:55,394 The Bee Gees, 334 00:19:55,479 --> 00:19:58,354 the most exciting sound in the world. 335 00:20:09,935 --> 00:20:12,188 If you've never been famous, 336 00:20:12,269 --> 00:20:13,604 the first time it happens, 337 00:20:13,685 --> 00:20:15,894 it's a very difficult thing to handle. 338 00:20:15,979 --> 00:20:17,560 You don't know how to behave. 339 00:20:17,644 --> 00:20:19,188 You don't know how to experience it. 340 00:20:19,269 --> 00:20:22,394 And that affected all of us in its own way. 341 00:20:24,144 --> 00:20:26,438 I had six Rolls-Royces before I was 21. 342 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:27,798 I don't know where they are now. 343 00:20:28,854 --> 00:20:30,394 But I mean, that's how crazy it was. 344 00:20:30,479 --> 00:20:33,144 We were all very selfish at that point. 345 00:20:33,229 --> 00:20:35,854 The testosterone kicked in, 346 00:20:35,935 --> 00:20:38,060 and the competition of life began. 347 00:20:50,604 --> 00:20:54,104 There was always a conflict between Barry and Robin 348 00:20:54,188 --> 00:20:56,769 'cause they both had fantastic voices 349 00:20:56,854 --> 00:20:58,729 and Robin wanted to sing the song 350 00:20:58,810 --> 00:21:00,060 and Barry wanted to sing it. 351 00:21:10,019 --> 00:21:12,644 Both of us wanted to be individual performers. 352 00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:14,935 We all wanted individual recognition. 353 00:21:15,019 --> 00:21:18,604 And therein lies the issue. 354 00:21:22,438 --> 00:21:26,104 I'm speaking to you from a club in Hamburg, 355 00:21:26,188 --> 00:21:27,810 and I'm Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees. 356 00:21:27,894 --> 00:21:29,104 Robin here. 357 00:21:29,188 --> 00:21:31,037 Robin, we've heard rumors that the group is splitting up. 358 00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:32,537 Would you like to verify those rumors? 359 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,829 If I was to say that was true, 360 00:21:33,854 --> 00:21:35,769 then I would be the premier of Russia. 361 00:21:35,854 --> 00:21:37,144 I don't know. 362 00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:38,329 Thank you very much, Mr. Petersen. 363 00:21:38,354 --> 00:21:39,413 How about you, Mr. Melouney? 364 00:21:39,438 --> 00:21:40,810 - Oh, no. I don't think it is. 365 00:21:40,894 --> 00:21:43,269 No. No. No. 366 00:21:46,229 --> 00:21:50,144 I always say that making music 367 00:21:50,229 --> 00:21:52,685 with your family 368 00:21:52,769 --> 00:21:55,935 is equally the greatest strength 369 00:21:56,019 --> 00:21:57,810 and the greatest weakness you could ever have 370 00:21:57,894 --> 00:21:59,854 in a musical partnership. 371 00:22:01,729 --> 00:22:03,979 To get to the top or near the top, 372 00:22:04,060 --> 00:22:06,269 you've gotta be incredibly driven, 373 00:22:06,354 --> 00:22:09,188 and what drives you is your ego. 374 00:22:09,269 --> 00:22:10,685 And when you get there 375 00:22:10,769 --> 00:22:12,979 and everybody's got an ego about it, 376 00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:15,394 it can be tricky to stay there. 377 00:22:28,269 --> 00:22:30,121 The three of us stopped looking inwards to each other 378 00:22:30,144 --> 00:22:31,979 and all started looking outwards 379 00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:34,685 to what we could be individually. 380 00:22:34,769 --> 00:22:36,854 "To hell with what my brothers think." 381 00:22:36,935 --> 00:22:39,519 And each one of us was thinking that. 382 00:22:46,104 --> 00:22:47,371 To travel the world when you're young 383 00:22:47,394 --> 00:22:48,479 with a family member 384 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,894 gives you a certain sense of who you are 385 00:22:50,979 --> 00:22:52,979 and where you've come from and all that. 386 00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:56,188 So you kind of walk that tightrope. 387 00:22:56,269 --> 00:22:58,229 We'd been together all our lives, don't forget. 388 00:22:58,313 --> 00:22:59,954 We'd been together since Robin and I were five, 389 00:22:59,979 --> 00:23:01,438 singing professionally. 390 00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:02,769 You know, it's a lot of years. 391 00:23:02,854 --> 00:23:05,060 We'd been kids living together with each other 392 00:23:05,144 --> 00:23:06,729 right up until the time we arrived 393 00:23:06,810 --> 00:23:09,394 and even after we arrived in England. 394 00:23:14,479 --> 00:23:15,729 Robin was first to say, 395 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:18,560 "Well, I'm quitting the group." 396 00:23:18,644 --> 00:23:22,519 I stopped really knowing Robin 397 00:23:22,604 --> 00:23:26,269 and his personal life once we became famous. 398 00:23:26,354 --> 00:23:27,729 And the same with Mo. 399 00:23:27,810 --> 00:23:31,394 Our three lives were three different lives. 400 00:23:31,479 --> 00:23:33,685 We were no longer living the same life. 401 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:42,229 Brothers... 402 00:23:42,313 --> 00:23:44,769 in general, it's a very complicated thing, 403 00:23:44,854 --> 00:23:46,894 you know? 404 00:23:46,979 --> 00:23:48,229 Emotions are heightened, 405 00:23:48,313 --> 00:23:52,188 and there's things that go back to childhood about, you know, 406 00:23:52,269 --> 00:23:54,854 if one kid got more attention than the other, 407 00:23:54,935 --> 00:23:56,729 and all these things play out 408 00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:58,560 in front of just a small group of friends, 409 00:23:58,644 --> 00:24:00,894 but when you magnify that with the whole world, 410 00:24:00,979 --> 00:24:02,810 it changes the game a little bit. 411 00:24:02,894 --> 00:24:04,894 Robin, that's a good picture. 412 00:24:04,979 --> 00:24:07,604 That's you, Barry, Colin, Vince. 413 00:24:07,685 --> 00:24:09,769 - That's correct, yes. - Do you miss 'em? 414 00:24:09,854 --> 00:24:11,144 Well, it's not really a matter 415 00:24:11,229 --> 00:24:12,479 of missing them, really. 416 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,163 But I still see them on and off, you know, 417 00:24:14,188 --> 00:24:16,144 so that's the way things go. 418 00:24:16,229 --> 00:24:18,019 I'll show you the studio anyway. 419 00:24:21,438 --> 00:24:24,644 It was really me and Robin that were in conflict, 420 00:24:24,729 --> 00:24:26,644 and I think Maurice was in the middle. 421 00:24:26,729 --> 00:24:28,479 Story of my life, really. 422 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,579 Barry would call me up and say, 423 00:24:29,604 --> 00:24:30,744 "Well, can you call Robin and tell him 424 00:24:30,769 --> 00:24:31,810 if he wants to do this?" 425 00:24:31,894 --> 00:24:33,204 And Robin would go, "Well, give Barry a call 426 00:24:33,229 --> 00:24:34,371 and let him know that I'm gonna be over." 427 00:24:34,394 --> 00:24:35,644 I said, "Robin, you call Barry." 428 00:24:35,729 --> 00:24:36,979 "Barry, you call Robin." 429 00:24:37,060 --> 00:24:39,144 And they both said, "No, we won't." 430 00:24:39,229 --> 00:24:41,019 And for 18 months, they never did. 431 00:24:41,104 --> 00:24:42,854 We had this fascination 432 00:24:42,935 --> 00:24:46,269 with calling the newspapers up. 433 00:24:46,354 --> 00:24:49,438 You called "NME" or you called "Disc" or "Music Echo" 434 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:50,810 and you'd say... 435 00:24:50,894 --> 00:24:52,662 "Robin said this about me, and I just wanna be able 436 00:24:52,685 --> 00:24:55,188 to correct the record," and all that stuff. 437 00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:57,604 It was a whole strange episode of our lives, 438 00:24:57,685 --> 00:25:00,313 but a lot of things had gone down at that time, 439 00:25:00,394 --> 00:25:04,019 and we needed time apart to think about them. 440 00:25:04,104 --> 00:25:06,560 At Caxton Hall, VIP transport 441 00:25:06,644 --> 00:25:09,229 for very important pop star Barry Gibb. 442 00:25:09,313 --> 00:25:10,354 He's getting married 443 00:25:10,438 --> 00:25:12,188 to 20-year-old former Miss Edinburgh 444 00:25:12,269 --> 00:25:13,854 Linda Gray. 445 00:25:16,438 --> 00:25:18,729 Their world was crazy at that time. 446 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:20,854 You know, at one time, there was three brothers, 447 00:25:20,935 --> 00:25:24,188 and then all of a sudden, it was three wives. 448 00:25:24,269 --> 00:25:27,019 Maurice Gibb and Lulu became Mr. and Mrs. 449 00:25:27,104 --> 00:25:28,810 At St. James' Parish Church 450 00:25:28,894 --> 00:25:31,354 at Gerrards Cross in Buckinghamshire. 451 00:25:31,438 --> 00:25:34,560 You think, by marrying someone 452 00:25:34,644 --> 00:25:37,394 that you absolutely adore, 453 00:25:37,479 --> 00:25:39,729 you think it's gonna solve all your problems, 454 00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:41,269 but really... 455 00:25:41,354 --> 00:25:42,519 At Caxton Hall, 456 00:25:42,604 --> 00:25:45,104 Robin Gibb of the Bee Gees marries Molly Hullis. 457 00:25:46,479 --> 00:25:48,560 Molly was my first real love. 458 00:25:48,644 --> 00:25:50,438 The first serious one. 459 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,394 But it was a very traumatic time for me. 460 00:25:55,479 --> 00:25:57,604 I went with my manager. 461 00:25:57,685 --> 00:25:59,019 He said, "Look, Robin", 462 00:25:59,104 --> 00:26:00,604 I'm gonna send you to New Zealand." 463 00:26:00,685 --> 00:26:03,685 He says, "You're doing the Redwood Park Festival." 464 00:26:03,769 --> 00:26:04,912 So I went there, and of course, 465 00:26:04,935 --> 00:26:06,662 it was advertised that the Bee Gees were coming, 466 00:26:06,685 --> 00:26:08,060 not just Robin Gibb, you see. 467 00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:13,854 All right. Okay. 468 00:26:13,935 --> 00:26:16,229 How'd you feel last night? 469 00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:17,662 I have an obligation to my audience 470 00:26:17,685 --> 00:26:19,060 not to look scared, and... 471 00:26:19,144 --> 00:26:22,269 I can't say I really felt scared. 472 00:26:22,354 --> 00:26:23,479 I was terrified. 473 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:40,060 All three of us became isolated, 474 00:26:40,144 --> 00:26:44,104 and all three of us did things to each other 475 00:26:44,188 --> 00:26:46,104 that I think we're all sorry for. 476 00:26:49,019 --> 00:26:50,104 We loved each other. 477 00:26:50,188 --> 00:26:52,644 There was an enormous amount of love between us. 478 00:26:52,729 --> 00:26:54,769 Growing up, we did everything together. 479 00:26:54,854 --> 00:26:57,394 We often thought we were triplets. 480 00:26:57,479 --> 00:27:00,144 Because we all had the same love. 481 00:27:00,229 --> 00:27:01,288 We had the same sense of humor. 482 00:27:01,313 --> 00:27:03,394 We had the same love of the same kind of music. 483 00:27:03,479 --> 00:27:05,479 Just typical kids, you know? 484 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,979 But the one thing that no one else was doing 485 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:09,479 was that we were singing in harmony, 486 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,269 and beyond anything else, that's all we cared about. 487 00:27:14,604 --> 00:27:16,935 We fell in love with the Mills Brothers. 488 00:27:17,019 --> 00:27:19,979 They all did something unique in their own way. 489 00:27:20,060 --> 00:27:20,979 And at the same time, 490 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:23,019 Robin and I did two different leads, 491 00:27:23,104 --> 00:27:25,685 and Maurice would always know where to put that other melody 492 00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:27,019 to make a three-part harmony. 493 00:27:27,104 --> 00:27:29,810 They mirrored what we wanted to be. 494 00:27:29,894 --> 00:27:32,479 Do you find you miss Robin and Maurice musically? 495 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,644 Yeah. 496 00:27:33,729 --> 00:27:35,769 Not musically. 497 00:27:35,854 --> 00:27:38,313 I miss them both as brothers. 498 00:27:38,394 --> 00:27:40,769 Something about entering the world 499 00:27:40,854 --> 00:27:43,144 from the same place, I think, has an effect 500 00:27:43,229 --> 00:27:44,935 on your ability to sing together, 501 00:27:45,019 --> 00:27:49,560 your creative awareness, and your artistic voice. 502 00:27:49,644 --> 00:27:52,894 Could we see the Bee Gees back together again? 503 00:27:52,979 --> 00:27:56,188 That's a very strong point that it could be. 504 00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:57,354 I can't say definitely, 505 00:27:57,438 --> 00:27:59,894 but I'd like to see the Bee Gees again. 506 00:28:02,479 --> 00:28:05,394 Mr. Epstein has been unwell now for some months. 507 00:28:05,479 --> 00:28:07,479 And he's been in the habit of taking tablets 508 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,229 to help him sleep at night. 509 00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:11,313 He was found in his second-floor bedroom 510 00:28:11,394 --> 00:28:14,188 just after 2:00 this afternoon by his housekeeper. 511 00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:17,685 When Brian died and we restructured NEMS, 512 00:28:17,769 --> 00:28:19,354 Robert asked to become 513 00:28:19,438 --> 00:28:21,019 a more important senior executive 514 00:28:21,104 --> 00:28:22,854 for the Beatles, 515 00:28:22,935 --> 00:28:24,729 and that wasn't acceptable to them, 516 00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:28,269 so he then left the company 517 00:28:28,354 --> 00:28:31,894 and took with him Eric Clapton and Bee Gees 518 00:28:31,979 --> 00:28:33,854 so he could start off on his own. 519 00:28:33,935 --> 00:28:35,229 We were an asset. 520 00:28:35,313 --> 00:28:37,060 We were one of those people Robert needed 521 00:28:37,144 --> 00:28:39,060 as an element of going public. 522 00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:42,394 It was at the launching of the company 523 00:28:42,479 --> 00:28:43,979 where we started to communicate again. 524 00:28:45,979 --> 00:28:47,935 And once we came back together again, 525 00:28:48,019 --> 00:28:49,685 we wrote "Lonely Days," 526 00:28:49,769 --> 00:28:52,894 which reflected the idea that we'd been broken up. 527 00:28:52,979 --> 00:28:56,729 We'd always been boys going up together, 528 00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:59,229 and I think we came back together as men. 529 00:28:59,313 --> 00:29:01,313 We respected each other's opinions, 530 00:29:01,394 --> 00:29:02,894 which we didn't before that. 531 00:29:05,104 --> 00:29:06,288 If anything, that was the good thing 532 00:29:06,313 --> 00:29:07,685 about the breakup. 533 00:29:12,894 --> 00:29:14,894 I had already started a first verse and chorus. 534 00:29:14,979 --> 00:29:17,269 I knew what "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?" was, 535 00:29:17,354 --> 00:29:19,144 but then Robin walks in. 536 00:29:19,229 --> 00:29:21,269 I said, "I'm just working on this song." 537 00:29:21,354 --> 00:29:22,644 Do you wanna do it with me?" 538 00:29:22,729 --> 00:29:23,979 And he went, "Yeah, of course." 539 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:31,479 We'd been apart for two years. 540 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,644 If we hadn't been brothers, 541 00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:34,229 we wouldn't have lasted half an hour. 542 00:29:34,313 --> 00:29:36,269 It just wouldn't have happened. 543 00:29:44,979 --> 00:29:48,604 Things started to just improve over time, you know? 544 00:29:52,354 --> 00:29:54,313 We became the Bee Gees again. 545 00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:08,769 We came back together, and we made 546 00:30:08,854 --> 00:30:10,438 two number one records in America, 547 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,104 so we were on a bit of a high. 548 00:30:14,729 --> 00:30:17,313 But we were not really that good 549 00:30:17,394 --> 00:30:20,979 when it came to just doing anything without a pill, 550 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:22,810 you know, or without a drink. 551 00:30:22,894 --> 00:30:24,144 It was destroying us. 552 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,354 And that became the battle, 553 00:30:29,438 --> 00:30:31,854 the fight to survive being a pop group. 554 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,313 Thank you very, very much on behalf of my brothers, 555 00:30:50,394 --> 00:30:52,854 Robin 556 00:30:52,935 --> 00:30:56,104 and Maurice, 557 00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:59,438 and this beautiful orchestra, 558 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:03,229 our lead guitarist, Alan Kendall... 559 00:31:03,313 --> 00:31:04,354 Robert Stigwood said, 560 00:31:04,438 --> 00:31:06,354 "The Bee Gees are gonna go on a tour, 561 00:31:06,438 --> 00:31:08,685 and they want a guitar player who can play bass as well," 562 00:31:08,769 --> 00:31:10,685 'cause in those days, 563 00:31:10,769 --> 00:31:14,810 Maurice played bass, but he would go on piano sometimes. 564 00:31:14,894 --> 00:31:18,519 And so I called him and I said, "Well, I can't play bass," 565 00:31:18,604 --> 00:31:21,019 and he said, "Just say you can play bass," 566 00:31:21,104 --> 00:31:23,104 so I said, "Okay, I can play bass." 567 00:31:25,979 --> 00:31:29,269 I'll be honest, I was very much into the lifestyle. 568 00:31:29,354 --> 00:31:30,594 I just loved being on the road. 569 00:31:30,644 --> 00:31:33,104 I loved playing music, chasing women. 570 00:31:34,854 --> 00:31:36,019 Maurice is so funny, 571 00:31:36,104 --> 00:31:38,060 'cause he was good at magic tricks, 572 00:31:38,144 --> 00:31:41,229 and he'd like to drink a little, as I did. 573 00:31:41,313 --> 00:31:43,269 Robin, I never really knew. 574 00:31:43,354 --> 00:31:46,604 I mean, I'd converse with him but not as much as the others. 575 00:31:46,685 --> 00:31:48,935 And I would bump into him every now and then 576 00:31:49,019 --> 00:31:51,894 wandering the corridors of the hotel. 577 00:31:51,979 --> 00:31:55,060 And there's Barry with his glamorous wife 578 00:31:55,144 --> 00:31:57,104 smoking a bowl, you know? 579 00:31:58,479 --> 00:32:00,935 My early days with the Bee Gees 580 00:32:01,019 --> 00:32:03,810 were, for me, thrilling, 581 00:32:03,894 --> 00:32:06,394 even though I can understand why it wasn't for them, 582 00:32:06,479 --> 00:32:08,979 'cause they weren't necessarily selling out. 583 00:32:11,729 --> 00:32:12,935 When we were broken up, 584 00:32:13,019 --> 00:32:15,979 the world changed radically very quickly. 585 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:17,769 And that was the beginning of the period 586 00:32:17,854 --> 00:32:20,604 when there was just no interest in us at all. 587 00:32:20,685 --> 00:32:22,313 Remember, we were on tour. 588 00:32:22,394 --> 00:32:23,894 They'd try to keep Robin 589 00:32:23,979 --> 00:32:25,729 from looking out into the audience, 590 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:27,935 in case it was only half full. 591 00:32:28,019 --> 00:32:30,560 When we got back home, I turned to more drinking. 592 00:32:30,644 --> 00:32:33,604 I'd go to the pubs. The police knew my car. 593 00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:36,604 I was becoming the town drunk. 594 00:32:36,685 --> 00:32:38,644 I mean, I think I had about 2 grand in the bank 595 00:32:38,729 --> 00:32:40,854 and lived next order to a fish and chips shop. 596 00:32:40,935 --> 00:32:42,935 So by '74, 597 00:32:43,019 --> 00:32:46,313 we didn't think there was gonna be much of a future. 598 00:32:46,394 --> 00:32:48,979 When you become famous, you think everyone loves you 599 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:50,329 and they're gonna love you forever, 600 00:32:50,354 --> 00:32:51,644 and it's not true. 601 00:32:55,729 --> 00:32:57,371 All of a sudden now, we had to work the clubs 602 00:32:57,394 --> 00:32:59,229 at the north of England to pay the taxman, 603 00:32:59,313 --> 00:33:01,104 so we had the Sheffield Fiesta, 604 00:33:01,188 --> 00:33:02,479 the Golden Garter in Manchester, 605 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,313 Batley Variety Club, 606 00:33:04,394 --> 00:33:06,104 great clubs of our time. 607 00:33:06,188 --> 00:33:07,769 The Batley thing, 608 00:33:07,854 --> 00:33:10,144 it's where all the has-beens went to play, 609 00:33:10,229 --> 00:33:11,704 and not saying that they were has-beens, 610 00:33:11,729 --> 00:33:14,313 but it was like, "Oh, God, not Batley," you know? 611 00:33:16,438 --> 00:33:19,394 I was a waitress at the Batley Variety Club. 612 00:33:19,479 --> 00:33:23,519 I really wasn't a fan of the Bee Gees. 613 00:33:23,604 --> 00:33:25,729 The only thing I knew about them was, 614 00:33:25,810 --> 00:33:26,871 you know, Maurice was mar... 615 00:33:26,894 --> 00:33:29,560 Well, he was going through a divorce with Lulu. 616 00:33:29,644 --> 00:33:33,060 Yvonne came in, and I saw her eyes. 617 00:33:33,144 --> 00:33:34,371 I don't know about the rest of her. 618 00:33:34,394 --> 00:33:36,019 I just saw her eyes. 619 00:33:36,104 --> 00:33:39,019 And I said, "I'm gonna marry her." 620 00:33:39,104 --> 00:33:41,604 And I knew I was gonna marry her. 621 00:33:41,685 --> 00:33:43,144 He was so cute. 622 00:33:43,229 --> 00:33:45,854 His personality was amazing. 623 00:33:45,935 --> 00:33:47,644 Maurice had this childlike quality, 624 00:33:47,729 --> 00:33:50,354 which is something very special in men. 625 00:33:50,438 --> 00:33:53,729 He loved dressing up in police uniforms. 626 00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:55,894 Wherever we went on tour, 627 00:33:55,979 --> 00:33:57,729 they'd give him a hat, give him a badge. 628 00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:58,871 - Is that his wallet? - It's a badge. 629 00:33:58,894 --> 00:34:00,354 Whoa! 630 00:34:00,438 --> 00:34:02,685 - What was that? - I'm not showing you now. 631 00:34:02,769 --> 00:34:04,060 People loved him. 632 00:34:04,144 --> 00:34:05,894 He had the best smile ever. 633 00:34:05,979 --> 00:34:09,396 I remember him teaching me the showbiz smile, 634 00:34:09,478 --> 00:34:10,896 and he said, "Well, the trick is, 635 00:34:10,978 --> 00:34:13,271 "you don't move your eyes 636 00:34:13,353 --> 00:34:15,603 and you just go like this." 637 00:34:17,478 --> 00:34:19,021 And I'll be honest with you, 638 00:34:19,103 --> 00:34:22,228 I think Maurice was the glue that held it all together. 639 00:34:22,313 --> 00:34:24,021 Oh, I'm Mr. Fix-It. 640 00:34:24,103 --> 00:34:27,103 Either some discrepancy between Barry and Robin, 641 00:34:27,188 --> 00:34:28,996 or if we're gonna make a decision about something, 642 00:34:29,021 --> 00:34:30,396 "Well, what does Maurice think?" 643 00:34:30,478 --> 00:34:33,728 But most of the time, I'm like my mum. 644 00:34:33,811 --> 00:34:34,936 I'm the peacemaker. 645 00:34:35,021 --> 00:34:36,728 You know, if they'd not been brothers, 646 00:34:36,811 --> 00:34:38,896 they would not be together. 647 00:34:38,978 --> 00:34:41,271 No doubt in my mind. 648 00:34:46,146 --> 00:34:48,271 I met the Gibbs when they were on a bit of a... 649 00:34:48,353 --> 00:34:50,146 Shall we say, a downturn in their career. 650 00:34:50,228 --> 00:34:51,643 Robert Stigwood made me, 651 00:34:51,728 --> 00:34:53,643 unaccountably, the head of his record label. 652 00:34:53,728 --> 00:34:55,936 I was only 21 years old. 653 00:34:56,021 --> 00:34:57,460 I truly believed it was because I was 654 00:34:57,518 --> 00:34:59,811 the only guy in the room that I got the job. 655 00:34:59,896 --> 00:35:00,996 It was odd to me because I thought, 656 00:35:01,021 --> 00:35:02,121 "If they can write those songs, 657 00:35:02,146 --> 00:35:03,811 how come they can't be consistent?" 658 00:35:03,896 --> 00:35:05,135 If you got the ability to write 659 00:35:05,188 --> 00:35:06,329 "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?" 660 00:35:06,353 --> 00:35:07,561 and "To Love Somebody," 661 00:35:07,643 --> 00:35:09,603 where does that talent go? 662 00:35:09,686 --> 00:35:13,228 I mean, there was two albums in a row that were dismal. 663 00:35:13,313 --> 00:35:15,313 Ahmet Ertegun said to Robert, 664 00:35:15,396 --> 00:35:17,271 "You know, maybe their time has gone," 665 00:35:17,353 --> 00:35:18,829 'cause it was Atlantic who were paying 666 00:35:18,853 --> 00:35:19,978 for these recordings, 667 00:35:20,061 --> 00:35:22,271 and Robert wouldn't hear of it, of course. 668 00:35:22,353 --> 00:35:24,146 He would never let the Bee Gees go. 669 00:35:24,228 --> 00:35:27,853 There was this thing about Stigwood... 670 00:35:27,936 --> 00:35:31,438 Stigwood and his loyalties. 671 00:35:31,518 --> 00:35:33,686 I had a kind of deep-seated resentment 672 00:35:33,768 --> 00:35:37,478 about the fact that, you know, they were still 673 00:35:37,561 --> 00:35:38,561 his favorite. 674 00:35:42,438 --> 00:35:44,853 I had come out of a long period 675 00:35:44,936 --> 00:35:46,643 of addiction and alcoholism, 676 00:35:46,728 --> 00:35:49,603 and I went into the sort of recovery period. 677 00:35:51,271 --> 00:35:54,313 All these musical ambitions came to the surface, 678 00:35:54,396 --> 00:35:57,686 so I went to Miami to record. 679 00:36:00,978 --> 00:36:02,204 We had a conversation with Eric 680 00:36:02,228 --> 00:36:03,978 about making a comeback. 681 00:36:04,061 --> 00:36:05,246 Eric said, "Well, I've just made this album" 682 00:36:05,271 --> 00:36:07,768 "called '461 Ocean Boulevard' in Miami. 683 00:36:07,853 --> 00:36:09,414 "Why don't you guys make an album in America 684 00:36:09,438 --> 00:36:11,518 "instead of always making an album in England, 685 00:36:11,603 --> 00:36:13,438 "and maybe the change of environment 686 00:36:13,518 --> 00:36:15,686 will do something for you?" 687 00:36:15,768 --> 00:36:18,061 The studio there was unbelievable, 688 00:36:18,146 --> 00:36:21,686 and I think that's what 689 00:36:21,768 --> 00:36:23,853 the suggestion was about, really. 690 00:36:23,936 --> 00:36:27,853 I thought those guys were actually an R&B band 691 00:36:27,936 --> 00:36:30,561 that hadn't really worked that out yet. 692 00:36:30,643 --> 00:36:32,853 And I thought, "Man, this would be so good 693 00:36:32,936 --> 00:36:36,021 if they could pick up on what's going on in America." 694 00:36:36,103 --> 00:36:39,643 I do know that they had to change something. 695 00:36:39,728 --> 00:36:40,853 That's when the whole idea 696 00:36:40,936 --> 00:36:43,978 of actually being more of a band together 697 00:36:44,061 --> 00:36:45,146 rather than, you know, 698 00:36:45,228 --> 00:36:47,518 musicians and orchestras and all that stuff. 699 00:36:49,396 --> 00:36:51,396 Alan Kendall, who was a friend of mine, 700 00:36:51,478 --> 00:36:54,643 said, "The Bee Gees are looking for a drummer." 701 00:36:54,728 --> 00:36:56,936 You know, are you interested?" 702 00:36:57,021 --> 00:36:59,728 And I went, "Yes." 703 00:36:59,811 --> 00:37:02,643 "I think I'm interested. Yeah. I am interested." 704 00:37:02,728 --> 00:37:05,228 We needed to get more energized 705 00:37:05,313 --> 00:37:06,728 and don't rely so much 706 00:37:06,811 --> 00:37:09,103 on the ballads that we had been doing. 707 00:37:09,188 --> 00:37:12,061 We wanted to be a band so bad, 708 00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:14,061 and that was basically the birth of it. 709 00:37:14,146 --> 00:37:16,896 We had a great bass player, Maurice. 710 00:37:16,978 --> 00:37:19,061 We had a great guitar player, Alan. 711 00:37:19,146 --> 00:37:20,561 So really, the only thing we needed 712 00:37:20,643 --> 00:37:22,396 was a keyboard player, 713 00:37:22,478 --> 00:37:24,396 and I thought, "Blue." 714 00:37:31,021 --> 00:37:32,728 Dennis called and said, 715 00:37:32,811 --> 00:37:34,454 "Look, you know, I'm putting a band together 716 00:37:34,478 --> 00:37:35,643 "with the Bee Gees, 717 00:37:35,728 --> 00:37:39,188 "and I've spoken to Barry, and everybody's in agreement. 718 00:37:39,271 --> 00:37:40,936 Are you interested?" 719 00:37:41,021 --> 00:37:42,768 I said, "No. No." 720 00:37:42,853 --> 00:37:45,936 I'm having great fun. I'm in a rock and roll band." 721 00:37:46,021 --> 00:37:47,728 Queen was our support act. 722 00:37:47,811 --> 00:37:50,768 I'm touring America and living the rock and roll life. 723 00:37:57,978 --> 00:38:01,061 We'd grown up together playing in bands in Cardiff. 724 00:38:01,146 --> 00:38:02,438 I said, "We've known each other" 725 00:38:02,518 --> 00:38:03,561 for a long time, right?" 726 00:38:03,643 --> 00:38:06,353 He said, "Den, don't do this to me." 727 00:38:06,438 --> 00:38:08,438 And I said, "I am doing it to you." 728 00:38:08,518 --> 00:38:10,561 I said, "Just do me one favor:" 729 00:38:10,643 --> 00:38:12,438 "meet Barry. 730 00:38:12,518 --> 00:38:15,811 "And after you've met Barry, if you don't wanna do it, 731 00:38:15,896 --> 00:38:17,643 I'll leave you alone." 732 00:38:19,228 --> 00:38:21,313 Maurice and I had moved to the Isle of Man, 733 00:38:21,396 --> 00:38:22,978 which is where we were born. 734 00:38:23,061 --> 00:38:25,936 Blue was the guy who was gonna come to the Isle of Man 735 00:38:26,021 --> 00:38:28,188 and audition for us on piano. 736 00:38:32,896 --> 00:38:34,603 We were staying in Barry's house, 737 00:38:34,686 --> 00:38:37,643 and it was Linda, and then Maurice came over 738 00:38:37,728 --> 00:38:40,313 and Huey, the father. 739 00:38:40,396 --> 00:38:43,021 Instantly, you feel comfortable with them. 740 00:38:43,103 --> 00:38:45,438 They started talking about synthesizers 741 00:38:45,518 --> 00:38:47,936 and Moogs, 742 00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:49,768 and Blue had them all. 743 00:38:49,853 --> 00:38:51,603 There's the Sunday evening I was leaving, 744 00:38:51,686 --> 00:38:55,103 and Huey said, "Hey, we haven't heard you play." 745 00:38:56,271 --> 00:38:58,853 But my piano was so bad 746 00:38:58,936 --> 00:39:02,021 that he played something and it just sounded awful. 747 00:39:02,103 --> 00:39:04,643 It was just, like, totally embarrassing. 748 00:39:04,728 --> 00:39:07,021 I said, "Sounds fine to me, man." 749 00:39:07,103 --> 00:39:08,313 "Let's do it," you know? 750 00:39:08,396 --> 00:39:10,021 Barry offered him the job. 751 00:39:10,103 --> 00:39:12,228 I'd always loved the music, 752 00:39:12,313 --> 00:39:14,686 but the first time you ever hear the Bee Gees 753 00:39:14,768 --> 00:39:16,518 just when they're in a room like this, 754 00:39:16,603 --> 00:39:18,188 you know, it's just magic. 755 00:39:18,271 --> 00:39:20,853 I think that's what won me over with them. 756 00:39:20,936 --> 00:39:22,103 I said yes, 757 00:39:22,188 --> 00:39:25,188 and January the 1st, we left. 758 00:39:51,603 --> 00:39:53,271 Miami's a gateway city, 759 00:39:53,353 --> 00:39:56,061 but in those days, it was kind of sleepy. 760 00:39:56,146 --> 00:39:59,353 You know, a little off the beaten path. 761 00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,936 But in the winter, that was the place to be, 762 00:40:02,021 --> 00:40:04,896 so Atlantic Records would always book their acts 763 00:40:04,978 --> 00:40:06,561 down at Criteria. 764 00:40:08,686 --> 00:40:10,271 I was about the number three engineer 765 00:40:10,353 --> 00:40:11,396 at the studio. 766 00:40:11,478 --> 00:40:12,518 I worked my way up, 767 00:40:12,603 --> 00:40:14,853 and I was at that point in my career 768 00:40:14,936 --> 00:40:17,188 where I was ready for anything. 769 00:40:24,853 --> 00:40:26,813 When we got to Miami, all of a sudden, sunshine, 770 00:40:26,896 --> 00:40:28,728 and, oh, you know? 771 00:40:28,811 --> 00:40:30,478 This is paradise. 772 00:40:30,561 --> 00:40:31,561 We'd come from England, 773 00:40:31,643 --> 00:40:34,103 and so there was nothing sleepy about America. 774 00:40:34,188 --> 00:40:36,329 Put them in the same house I'd rented for Eric Clapton, 775 00:40:36,353 --> 00:40:38,438 461 Ocean Boulevard. 776 00:40:38,518 --> 00:40:40,036 I think the first thing all of us did was 777 00:40:40,061 --> 00:40:41,978 take pictures against that palm tree, you know, 778 00:40:42,061 --> 00:40:44,271 doing the Eric Clapton pose. 779 00:40:47,188 --> 00:40:48,561 Being in that house together, 780 00:40:48,643 --> 00:40:50,313 you know, we were creative, 781 00:40:50,396 --> 00:40:51,313 and we were a family. 782 00:40:51,396 --> 00:40:53,103 I mean, I felt like that. 783 00:40:53,188 --> 00:40:55,061 It did make us close. 784 00:40:55,146 --> 00:40:58,061 I mean, you had to be. And we'd all watch TV at night. 785 00:40:58,146 --> 00:41:00,103 The chemistry was very exciting. 786 00:41:00,188 --> 00:41:01,371 When you got up in the morning, 787 00:41:01,396 --> 00:41:03,036 you went to breakfast; you had a cup of tea. 788 00:41:03,061 --> 00:41:05,853 It was all very relaxed. 789 00:41:11,271 --> 00:41:13,643 It was strange, considering the amount of pressure 790 00:41:13,728 --> 00:41:16,103 that was really on the Bee Gees at that time. 791 00:41:16,188 --> 00:41:17,561 They were about to drop us. 792 00:41:17,643 --> 00:41:19,438 We had to adopt a new sound. 793 00:41:19,518 --> 00:41:21,188 We had to adopt a new attitude. 794 00:41:21,271 --> 00:41:23,643 So the next step was, we brought Arif Mardin in 795 00:41:23,728 --> 00:41:24,811 to produce them. 796 00:41:28,896 --> 00:41:30,204 We'd often work with other people, 797 00:41:30,228 --> 00:41:31,518 but they weren't producers, 798 00:41:31,603 --> 00:41:34,021 and this man was a literal producer. 799 00:41:34,103 --> 00:41:36,438 They had expressed how much they wanted to do 800 00:41:36,518 --> 00:41:38,271 American R&B kind of stuff, 801 00:41:38,353 --> 00:41:41,021 and Arif was, you know, top of the heap for that. 802 00:41:41,103 --> 00:41:44,228 Arif was so instrumental in producing Black artists, 803 00:41:44,313 --> 00:41:45,686 and we wanted that input. 804 00:41:51,396 --> 00:41:54,353 We actually did an album with Arif before that, 805 00:41:54,438 --> 00:41:57,021 but Arif said, "We've gotta go more into R&B," 806 00:41:57,103 --> 00:41:58,811 and we started working together 807 00:41:58,896 --> 00:42:02,103 right here in Miami, down at Criteria. 808 00:42:03,103 --> 00:42:05,021 Well, I was in Studio B, 809 00:42:05,103 --> 00:42:06,896 and Arif says to me, 810 00:42:06,978 --> 00:42:09,896 "Carl, have I got a group for you." 811 00:42:09,978 --> 00:42:12,686 And of course, everybody knew the Bee Gees. 812 00:42:12,768 --> 00:42:14,853 It was a surprise out of nowhere. 813 00:42:14,936 --> 00:42:16,021 I was excited. 814 00:42:16,103 --> 00:42:17,329 You know, they sing like angels. 815 00:42:17,353 --> 00:42:20,146 And they were as excited as I was. 816 00:42:20,228 --> 00:42:22,353 And Arif was right in there with them. 817 00:42:22,438 --> 00:42:23,518 He said, "Look", 818 00:42:23,603 --> 00:42:25,936 "if you're ever going to break out brand-new, 819 00:42:26,021 --> 00:42:27,103 "you gotta start now. 820 00:42:27,188 --> 00:42:28,494 "You gotta shock the pants off these people 821 00:42:28,518 --> 00:42:29,728 who don't believe in you." 822 00:42:29,811 --> 00:42:32,561 Robert came and saw us when we were making the album, 823 00:42:32,643 --> 00:42:35,518 sat down with us on the beach, and said, "Right." 824 00:42:35,603 --> 00:42:37,271 "We're gonna start from scratch. 825 00:42:37,353 --> 00:42:38,811 "This is gonna be it. 826 00:42:38,896 --> 00:42:40,103 Let's make it big." 827 00:42:42,146 --> 00:42:44,271 If you said to me or anyone, 828 00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:46,896 "Just go and write a hit song right now," 829 00:42:46,978 --> 00:42:48,728 they would be able to craft something good, 830 00:42:48,811 --> 00:42:51,021 but it would probably be missing this magic 831 00:42:51,103 --> 00:42:53,228 that, if you work in music long enough, 832 00:42:53,313 --> 00:42:56,811 you understand is running everything. 833 00:42:56,896 --> 00:42:59,728 Like surfers with waves. Surfers don't make the waves. 834 00:42:59,811 --> 00:43:01,853 Fishermen don't make the fish. 835 00:43:01,936 --> 00:43:03,376 Songwriters don't really write songs. 836 00:43:03,438 --> 00:43:04,768 You receive songs. 837 00:43:06,518 --> 00:43:08,936 Driving backwards and forwards to Criteria, 838 00:43:09,021 --> 00:43:11,438 this clickity-click thing was going on in this bridge 839 00:43:11,518 --> 00:43:13,313 every time we crossed over it. 840 00:43:13,396 --> 00:43:14,728 And in my head, it sounded like, 841 00:43:14,811 --> 00:43:15,811 "ch, ch-ch, ch-ch." 842 00:43:19,228 --> 00:43:20,728 And it was gone. 843 00:43:20,811 --> 00:43:23,768 And eventually, I started singing to it in my head. 844 00:43:26,768 --> 00:43:28,103 I remember going to the studio. 845 00:43:28,188 --> 00:43:30,643 Barry said, "Can you do chicken picking, Alan?" 846 00:43:30,728 --> 00:43:33,603 I didn't really know what it was. 847 00:43:33,686 --> 00:43:35,728 So I just played this one note and muted it. 848 00:43:35,811 --> 00:43:37,132 Thought it sounded like a chicken. 849 00:43:39,978 --> 00:43:41,329 And mixed with Barry's rhythm part, 850 00:43:41,353 --> 00:43:43,228 it really worked, you know? 851 00:44:01,103 --> 00:44:02,146 At that time, you know, 852 00:44:02,228 --> 00:44:04,518 a handful of R&B artists were using synthesizers, 853 00:44:04,603 --> 00:44:08,146 so we went into this field 854 00:44:08,228 --> 00:44:10,518 pioneering, in a way. 855 00:44:14,768 --> 00:44:18,518 Music is this huge energy flying around everywhere, 856 00:44:18,603 --> 00:44:20,811 and if you're lucky, you get little slices of it 857 00:44:20,896 --> 00:44:21,936 that turn into songs. 858 00:44:22,021 --> 00:44:23,103 There is a sort of... 859 00:44:23,188 --> 00:44:25,246 - Like a radio transmitter. - It's exactly like that. 860 00:44:25,271 --> 00:44:26,871 It's almost as if somebody's already written 861 00:44:26,896 --> 00:44:28,936 the songs in the air and they're giving them to us. 862 00:44:35,936 --> 00:44:37,121 It was Robert who really pressed 863 00:44:37,146 --> 00:44:39,353 for "Jive Talkin'" to come out as the first single, 864 00:44:39,438 --> 00:44:41,896 because it was something totally unexpected from us. 865 00:44:41,978 --> 00:44:43,146 We sent the record out 866 00:44:43,228 --> 00:44:44,708 but without naming the Bee Gees on it, 867 00:44:44,768 --> 00:44:48,188 because by then, their stock had fallen so low 868 00:44:48,271 --> 00:44:49,896 with radio stations in America, 869 00:44:49,978 --> 00:44:52,188 and within hours 870 00:44:52,271 --> 00:44:53,704 of the record landing at all the radio stations, 871 00:44:53,728 --> 00:44:55,079 they were calling in, saying, "Who is this? 872 00:44:55,103 --> 00:44:56,478 This is amazing." 873 00:44:59,396 --> 00:45:01,853 The British group who move into number one this week 874 00:45:01,936 --> 00:45:02,853 hit number one 875 00:45:02,936 --> 00:45:05,313 exactly four years ago to the week. 876 00:45:06,478 --> 00:45:09,188 The brand-new number one song in the USA, 877 00:45:09,271 --> 00:45:12,061 the Bee Gees and "Jive Talkin'." 878 00:45:16,896 --> 00:45:18,396 When "Jive Talkin'" came out, 879 00:45:18,478 --> 00:45:19,643 everybody went, "Who?" 880 00:45:19,728 --> 00:45:21,561 "The Bee Gees? 'Broken Heart' Bee Gees? 881 00:45:21,643 --> 00:45:22,936 Are you kidding?" 882 00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:24,561 Something different was happening, 883 00:45:24,643 --> 00:45:26,188 and the brothers felt it too. 884 00:45:26,271 --> 00:45:27,438 Miami, Miami Beach, 885 00:45:27,518 --> 00:45:29,518 that whole vibe turned them on. 886 00:45:29,603 --> 00:45:31,896 I just fell in love with the atmosphere here. 887 00:45:31,978 --> 00:45:34,768 It reminded me so much of growing up in Australia. 888 00:45:35,643 --> 00:45:36,853 That's great, Rob. 889 00:45:36,936 --> 00:45:38,896 And from "Jive Talkin'" onwards, 890 00:45:38,978 --> 00:45:40,896 we kicked it up. 891 00:45:40,978 --> 00:45:43,188 The songwriting was just very unique. 892 00:45:43,271 --> 00:45:44,353 Nothing like it. 893 00:45:44,438 --> 00:45:45,728 They would write on the spot, 894 00:45:45,811 --> 00:45:47,896 and they would bounce off each other. 895 00:45:47,978 --> 00:45:50,438 Okay, you let us know when you're ready. 896 00:45:50,518 --> 00:45:52,228 "Nights on Broadway" was one of those. 897 00:45:52,313 --> 00:45:54,371 The guys had been to New York, and they go, "Oh, this is..." 898 00:45:54,396 --> 00:45:56,271 We gotta write a New York kind of song." 899 00:45:56,353 --> 00:45:57,853 - Here we go. Take ten. 900 00:45:57,936 --> 00:45:59,936 They just did it naturally in the studio, 901 00:46:00,021 --> 00:46:01,438 and everybody chipped in. 902 00:46:01,518 --> 00:46:02,518 Three, four. 903 00:46:13,643 --> 00:46:15,603 Ahmet Ertegun came to Miami. 904 00:46:15,686 --> 00:46:18,103 He was there when we were cutting "Nights on Broadway." 905 00:46:18,188 --> 00:46:20,478 At the time, it was "Lights on Broadway." 906 00:46:25,978 --> 00:46:28,478 And Ahmet went, "No." 907 00:46:28,561 --> 00:46:30,811 He said, "You know, you've got to get more adult" 908 00:46:30,896 --> 00:46:32,396 about the song." 909 00:46:32,478 --> 00:46:34,768 So "Lights on Broadway" became "Nights on Broadway." 910 00:47:04,811 --> 00:47:06,329 We were completing "Nights on Broadway." 911 00:47:06,353 --> 00:47:08,188 We'd just done most of the vocal tracks. 912 00:47:08,271 --> 00:47:09,579 Usually, you know, at the end, you know, 913 00:47:09,603 --> 00:47:11,246 you have some ad-libs or some kind of thing 914 00:47:11,271 --> 00:47:12,744 to take us away from the original melody 915 00:47:12,768 --> 00:47:13,978 and have some fun. 916 00:47:14,061 --> 00:47:15,686 Arif suggested to the band, 917 00:47:15,768 --> 00:47:18,188 "Hey, you know, we really need some kind of background parts 918 00:47:18,271 --> 00:47:21,396 that come in and express the meaning of the song." 919 00:47:21,478 --> 00:47:23,853 He was looking for one of us to scream, 920 00:47:23,936 --> 00:47:25,896 in tune, if possible. 921 00:47:25,978 --> 00:47:28,228 I said, "I'll go out and give it a shot." 922 00:47:28,313 --> 00:47:30,643 - Are we almost ready? Let's do it. 923 00:47:30,728 --> 00:47:32,021 So he went out there and he did 924 00:47:32,103 --> 00:47:35,686 the "blaming it alls." 925 00:47:41,103 --> 00:47:42,896 Everybody in the control room woke up, 926 00:47:42,978 --> 00:47:45,686 and it was like, "Oh, this is a new sound." 927 00:47:50,021 --> 00:47:51,380 I was thinking, "My God, I don't... 928 00:47:51,438 --> 00:47:52,518 "where is this coming from? 929 00:47:52,561 --> 00:47:53,561 I can do this." 930 00:47:53,603 --> 00:47:55,978 My whole life, I didn't know I could do this. 931 00:47:56,061 --> 00:47:57,353 Everybody's giving me credit. 932 00:47:57,478 --> 00:47:59,603 No, he was singing it. I said, "Keep on doing it." 933 00:48:07,271 --> 00:48:09,103 Arif brought it out of us, all that. 934 00:48:09,188 --> 00:48:10,987 I mean, we weren't the first to sing falsetto. 935 00:48:14,643 --> 00:48:15,728 We loved the Stylistics. 936 00:48:15,811 --> 00:48:18,728 We loved the Spinners, the Delfonics. 937 00:48:18,811 --> 00:48:21,353 They were all falsetto lead singers. 938 00:48:29,313 --> 00:48:31,271 There's something to be said about all music 939 00:48:31,353 --> 00:48:33,561 is that it doesn't happen in a vacuum. 940 00:48:33,643 --> 00:48:37,228 The falsetto is very much a Black tradition, 941 00:48:37,313 --> 00:48:38,561 but they've translated it 942 00:48:38,643 --> 00:48:42,643 into this interesting interpretation of soul. 943 00:48:42,728 --> 00:48:44,478 But I guess more importantly for me, 944 00:48:44,561 --> 00:48:45,561 it's emotional. 945 00:48:51,021 --> 00:48:52,494 Because we were so excited about this, 946 00:48:52,518 --> 00:48:54,811 we started writing songs for this voice. 947 00:48:54,896 --> 00:48:57,271 It created another dimension of sound... 948 00:48:57,353 --> 00:48:59,438 That's what we thought... You know, emotionally. 949 00:48:59,518 --> 00:49:02,896 It became another icon of the Gibbs. 950 00:49:02,978 --> 00:49:05,438 Everybody knew, when you heard that falsetto, 951 00:49:05,518 --> 00:49:07,061 that's the Bee Gees. 952 00:49:16,518 --> 00:49:17,768 When we sing songs like... 953 00:49:21,728 --> 00:49:23,518 It's Barry and Robin singing in unison. 954 00:49:23,603 --> 00:49:27,021 But they mesh together so well that it sounds like one voice. 955 00:49:27,103 --> 00:49:30,146 But it's a different voice from them separately. 956 00:49:38,896 --> 00:49:40,936 It's delivered with such delicacy, 957 00:49:41,021 --> 00:49:45,643 and the message in the lyrics 958 00:49:45,728 --> 00:49:49,643 was what guys should say, didn't say, couldn't say, 959 00:49:49,728 --> 00:49:50,811 for whatever reasons. 960 00:49:50,896 --> 00:49:52,643 It's the kind of music you might've bought 961 00:49:52,728 --> 00:49:53,889 and given to your girlfriend. 962 00:49:55,103 --> 00:49:57,353 But that's what was special about them. 963 00:50:04,643 --> 00:50:07,188 "Main Course" became a turning point for us. 964 00:50:07,271 --> 00:50:08,978 Dennis Bryon on drums 965 00:50:09,061 --> 00:50:12,021 and Blue Weaver and Alan Kendall, 966 00:50:12,103 --> 00:50:13,728 that became our band. 967 00:50:23,396 --> 00:50:26,728 One of their best qualities was adaptability. 968 00:50:26,811 --> 00:50:30,853 In many ways, they were chameleons of pop. 969 00:50:30,936 --> 00:50:32,353 The way they changed 970 00:50:32,438 --> 00:50:34,478 and the groove they got into there 971 00:50:34,561 --> 00:50:36,518 was so profound. 972 00:50:36,603 --> 00:50:40,021 If that was something that was initiated by me, 973 00:50:40,103 --> 00:50:41,103 I can't think of any... 974 00:50:41,188 --> 00:50:43,853 One of the great things I've done in my life. 975 00:50:43,936 --> 00:50:45,603 I'll take full credit. 976 00:50:54,188 --> 00:50:57,603 We're getting ready to record the next album, 977 00:50:57,686 --> 00:50:58,726 and we get this phone call 978 00:50:58,768 --> 00:51:01,686 that Arif can't be involved in this album. 979 00:51:04,103 --> 00:51:06,396 Robert chose to take 980 00:51:06,478 --> 00:51:08,438 the organization away from Atlantic Records 981 00:51:08,518 --> 00:51:11,061 and go private. 982 00:51:11,146 --> 00:51:13,353 Atlantic, who were not happy about that, said, 983 00:51:13,438 --> 00:51:14,786 "Well, you're not using Arif anymore 984 00:51:14,811 --> 00:51:16,396 as a house producer." 985 00:51:16,478 --> 00:51:18,061 I said, "What about the next album?" 986 00:51:18,146 --> 00:51:19,603 Arif... you know, I said, 987 00:51:19,686 --> 00:51:21,936 "Who do you think can continue where you left off?" 988 00:51:24,021 --> 00:51:25,768 I got a call from Barry, 989 00:51:25,853 --> 00:51:27,811 and he said, "I want my studio time back 990 00:51:27,896 --> 00:51:28,978 and I wanna work with you." 991 00:51:33,353 --> 00:51:35,021 And I'm in the control room. 992 00:51:35,103 --> 00:51:36,786 I said to Dennis, the drummer, I says, you know, 993 00:51:36,811 --> 00:51:37,954 "That pattern you're playing right now 994 00:51:37,978 --> 00:51:39,603 is just a little too busy." 995 00:51:41,853 --> 00:51:43,438 He said, "Well, what do you mean?" 996 00:51:43,518 --> 00:51:45,478 I said, "I can't get into specifics" 997 00:51:45,561 --> 00:51:47,271 about the note values." 998 00:51:47,353 --> 00:51:50,271 I didn't have a technical term for the open and closed hi-hat 999 00:51:50,353 --> 00:51:51,603 or any of that stuff. 1000 00:51:51,686 --> 00:51:55,271 So apparently, you know, I needed a communicator. 1001 00:51:58,313 --> 00:51:59,744 I was working as an independent producer 1002 00:51:59,768 --> 00:52:01,978 on some pub band in London. 1003 00:52:02,061 --> 00:52:04,438 Carl called and he said, "What are you doing?" 1004 00:52:04,518 --> 00:52:05,996 And I said, "Well, I just finished the mix. 1005 00:52:06,021 --> 00:52:07,021 I'm on a plane tomorrow." 1006 00:52:07,061 --> 00:52:08,936 Albhy went to Berklee School of Music 1007 00:52:09,021 --> 00:52:10,021 in New England, 1008 00:52:10,061 --> 00:52:12,478 and he was one of my best friends. 1009 00:52:12,561 --> 00:52:14,768 And he says, "I'll be on the next flight to Florida." 1010 00:52:17,313 --> 00:52:19,978 - I got off the plane. I went straight to the studio. 1011 00:52:20,061 --> 00:52:21,146 I walked in. 1012 00:52:21,228 --> 00:52:23,188 They were working on "You Should Be Dancing." 1013 00:52:23,271 --> 00:52:24,371 They came in the control room, 1014 00:52:24,396 --> 00:52:25,936 and Barry said, "What did you think?" 1015 00:52:26,021 --> 00:52:27,478 And I said, "Well, I just got in, 1016 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:29,643 but sounds awfully good." 1017 00:52:29,728 --> 00:52:32,146 We seemed to hit it off, so I came back the next day. 1018 00:52:32,228 --> 00:52:34,313 Now, what you have to remember at the time, 1019 00:52:34,396 --> 00:52:35,518 Albhy was a hippie. 1020 00:52:35,603 --> 00:52:37,146 I mean, he was just different. 1021 00:52:39,936 --> 00:52:42,146 Albhy used to hang around the studio, 1022 00:52:42,228 --> 00:52:43,643 and I got on really well with him. 1023 00:52:43,728 --> 00:52:46,811 I found out he played on "I Shot the Sheriff" 1024 00:52:46,896 --> 00:52:47,978 with Eric. 1025 00:52:48,061 --> 00:52:51,518 Albhy had an inroad into technology, 1026 00:52:51,603 --> 00:52:52,768 and he had a great ear. 1027 00:52:52,853 --> 00:52:55,643 Everybody just seemed to be, I think, relieved 1028 00:52:55,728 --> 00:52:59,021 to have another ear in the control room 1029 00:52:59,103 --> 00:53:01,271 to hear what they were doing as a whole. 1030 00:53:10,271 --> 00:53:12,188 In the beginning, when I came, 1031 00:53:12,271 --> 00:53:14,686 the three brothers were clearly a unit. 1032 00:53:14,768 --> 00:53:16,530 Each of them knew the way their brothers sang 1033 00:53:16,603 --> 00:53:18,061 and would be on the same mic 1034 00:53:18,146 --> 00:53:19,853 and they would lean in or lean out 1035 00:53:19,936 --> 00:53:22,146 or complement each other's voices. 1036 00:53:22,228 --> 00:53:24,021 They were in perfect synchrony. 1037 00:53:31,978 --> 00:53:34,518 - We found another sound. We found a new sound. 1038 00:53:34,603 --> 00:53:36,686 I came up with a lot of new ideas 1039 00:53:36,768 --> 00:53:38,353 to suit the falsetto. 1040 00:53:38,438 --> 00:53:40,228 Everybody was saying the same thing: 1041 00:53:40,313 --> 00:53:42,561 "Do that falsetto again. Do that falsetto again." 1042 00:53:42,643 --> 00:53:45,061 And so that was fine for me. I was having a ball. 1043 00:53:50,811 --> 00:53:54,396 A lot of new music has been coming out of Miami lately, 1044 00:53:54,478 --> 00:53:56,561 enough so that we've even heard mentioned 1045 00:53:56,643 --> 00:53:59,061 the term "Miami Sound." 1046 00:54:06,811 --> 00:54:08,728 This is actually a really important period 1047 00:54:08,811 --> 00:54:11,853 for musicianship and production and songwriting 1048 00:54:11,936 --> 00:54:13,811 that targets the dance floor. 1049 00:54:17,353 --> 00:54:18,661 It's a different emotional energy, 1050 00:54:18,686 --> 00:54:21,103 which is about, can you make the body move? 1051 00:54:21,188 --> 00:54:22,978 Can you make the body happy? 1052 00:54:29,686 --> 00:54:31,103 And certain songs sounded like 1053 00:54:31,188 --> 00:54:34,811 the human embodiment of a brass section. 1054 00:54:34,896 --> 00:54:36,936 The same way a horn just punches... 1055 00:54:37,021 --> 00:54:38,271 Yeah. 1056 00:54:38,353 --> 00:54:39,994 That's what Barry's voice reminds me of. 1057 00:54:45,728 --> 00:54:49,438 I was always into arrangement of instruments. 1058 00:54:49,518 --> 00:54:50,728 "You Should Be Dancing," 1059 00:54:50,811 --> 00:54:54,228 their voices together sound like trumpets to me. 1060 00:54:58,103 --> 00:54:59,643 I am not high, for the record. 1061 00:54:59,728 --> 00:55:02,978 I just wanna... 1062 00:55:07,021 --> 00:55:07,936 It was a discovery. 1063 00:55:08,021 --> 00:55:09,936 We've discovered a new audience. 1064 00:55:10,021 --> 00:55:10,936 At the clubs, 1065 00:55:11,021 --> 00:55:13,518 "You Should Be Dancing" exploded. 1066 00:55:13,603 --> 00:55:15,686 Not just, "Oh, well, I heard that record" 1067 00:55:15,768 --> 00:55:16,936 and I really liked it." 1068 00:55:17,021 --> 00:55:21,438 It was three times a night at any club that you went to. 1069 00:55:21,518 --> 00:55:23,313 There was a whole industry 1070 00:55:23,396 --> 00:55:26,228 that was built around this clubbing thing. 1071 00:55:26,313 --> 00:55:30,478 "Billboard" started a chart that was dance music chart. 1072 00:55:30,561 --> 00:55:34,518 This billion-dollar industry was being built 1073 00:55:34,603 --> 00:55:36,518 way before the Bee Gees. 1074 00:55:36,603 --> 00:55:38,643 A lot of people don't realize 1075 00:55:38,728 --> 00:55:42,728 disco started in the gay and the Black community. 1076 00:55:42,811 --> 00:55:44,188 People don't understand 1077 00:55:44,271 --> 00:55:46,811 what it was like back then for gay people. 1078 00:55:46,896 --> 00:55:48,396 There was a law in New York 1079 00:55:48,478 --> 00:55:51,853 that did not allow people of the same sex 1080 00:55:51,936 --> 00:55:53,353 to dance together 1081 00:55:53,438 --> 00:55:57,021 in a place that had a liquor license. 1082 00:55:57,103 --> 00:55:59,061 And then the law changed, 1083 00:55:59,146 --> 00:56:01,896 and that allowed me to open my club. 1084 00:56:03,478 --> 00:56:06,313 A new era of dance music started 1085 00:56:06,396 --> 00:56:09,061 in the gay underground clubs. 1086 00:56:13,768 --> 00:56:18,353 So the record industry wants to name it, 1087 00:56:18,478 --> 00:56:20,768 package it, sell it. 1088 00:56:20,853 --> 00:56:23,561 That was the explosion 1089 00:56:23,643 --> 00:56:26,021 of the disco sound. 1090 00:56:32,811 --> 00:56:35,561 We're down at Criteria Sound Studios, 1091 00:56:35,643 --> 00:56:37,896 and currently, it's the studio 1092 00:56:37,978 --> 00:56:40,313 that's being used by the Bee Gees. 1093 00:56:40,396 --> 00:56:43,061 What particular thing about the studio 1094 00:56:43,146 --> 00:56:44,353 makes it so attractive? 1095 00:56:44,438 --> 00:56:46,353 - It's cheap. - It's cheap, yeah. 1096 00:56:46,438 --> 00:56:50,228 - No. Cheap it isn't, but... 1097 00:56:50,313 --> 00:56:53,021 But the actual atmosphere of the place is very relaxing. 1098 00:56:53,103 --> 00:56:54,661 We create better here than we do anywhere else. 1099 00:56:54,686 --> 00:56:55,728 Yeah. 1100 00:56:55,811 --> 00:56:57,452 That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 1101 00:57:02,478 --> 00:57:04,936 America was the ultimate dream. 1102 00:57:05,021 --> 00:57:07,271 As three kids, we said, 1103 00:57:07,353 --> 00:57:09,271 "One day, we're gonna have houses in America 1104 00:57:09,353 --> 00:57:11,603 all next door to each other with swimming pools." 1105 00:57:12,896 --> 00:57:14,416 And we thought, "Oh, that'll be great." 1106 00:57:19,518 --> 00:57:21,811 It was a huge uprooting. 1107 00:57:23,561 --> 00:57:25,561 It's a very large family, 1108 00:57:25,643 --> 00:57:28,438 and it just kept getting bigger and bigger over time. 1109 00:57:30,353 --> 00:57:33,603 Mum and Dad came to Miami as quickly as we did. 1110 00:57:33,686 --> 00:57:35,829 I think they were probably the happiest they'd ever been 1111 00:57:35,853 --> 00:57:36,978 in their lives. 1112 00:57:37,061 --> 00:57:40,396 And of course, Andy came here with them. 1113 00:57:42,561 --> 00:57:45,853 Andy was a gift out of left field. 1114 00:57:45,936 --> 00:57:50,021 But I never knew he existed until one day, he shows up 1115 00:57:50,103 --> 00:57:52,978 fresh from Australia. 1116 00:57:53,061 --> 00:57:55,103 Andy was a great kid. 1117 00:57:55,188 --> 00:57:57,478 He could do anything he set his mind to. 1118 00:57:57,561 --> 00:58:00,146 Barry was Andy's idol. 1119 00:58:00,228 --> 00:58:02,271 They were almost like twins. 1120 00:58:02,353 --> 00:58:03,603 We were very much alike. 1121 00:58:03,686 --> 00:58:05,853 We looked alike. We had the same birthmarks. 1122 00:58:05,936 --> 00:58:07,643 I would say that we were as much like twins 1123 00:58:07,728 --> 00:58:09,643 as Maurice and Robin. 1124 00:58:09,728 --> 00:58:11,603 "Main Course" and "Children of the World," 1125 00:58:11,686 --> 00:58:12,686 which followed that, 1126 00:58:12,728 --> 00:58:13,829 they were, like, triple platinum. 1127 00:58:13,853 --> 00:58:16,643 I think he really wanted to be a part of that. 1128 00:58:16,728 --> 00:58:18,478 They suggested that I go to Australia, 1129 00:58:18,561 --> 00:58:20,146 as my brothers first did in 1958 1130 00:58:20,228 --> 00:58:21,811 when I was only five months old, 1131 00:58:21,896 --> 00:58:25,021 and start working there and get some records released. 1132 00:58:25,103 --> 00:58:27,188 Andy was very young then. 1133 00:58:27,271 --> 00:58:29,146 He had his little band. 1134 00:58:29,228 --> 00:58:30,728 It was a process of building him up, 1135 00:58:30,811 --> 00:58:34,103 getting him to play live, getting him to be an artist. 1136 00:58:34,188 --> 00:58:35,518 I was there for two years. 1137 00:58:35,603 --> 00:58:36,911 Out of the blue, a phone call came 1138 00:58:36,936 --> 00:58:37,811 from my brother Barry 1139 00:58:37,896 --> 00:58:39,561 and said, "I wanna produce you," 1140 00:58:39,643 --> 00:58:41,454 and I think it was, like, two weeks or something, 1141 00:58:41,478 --> 00:58:44,518 I was in the studio to do a new album in Miami. 1142 00:58:44,603 --> 00:58:46,188 I didn't think I was ready. 1143 00:58:46,271 --> 00:58:47,271 The first few times 1144 00:58:47,313 --> 00:58:49,396 on a real professional studio microphone, 1145 00:58:49,478 --> 00:58:51,518 Andy was, like, petrified, 1146 00:58:51,603 --> 00:58:54,061 but, you know, Barry was there 1147 00:58:54,146 --> 00:58:56,896 and guided him through and helped him with lyrics. 1148 00:58:56,978 --> 00:58:59,686 He was very receptive to new ideas. 1149 00:59:02,896 --> 00:59:05,103 And it didn't take him long, you know, 1150 00:59:05,188 --> 00:59:08,228 to find, like, you know, another groove. 1151 00:59:21,313 --> 00:59:23,728 The Bee Gees' point of view was about having hit records 1152 00:59:23,811 --> 00:59:24,728 and being on the radio, 1153 00:59:24,811 --> 00:59:27,228 and so the greatest gift that you could give 1154 00:59:27,313 --> 00:59:28,603 to your younger brother 1155 00:59:28,686 --> 00:59:30,438 would be to give him that success, 1156 00:59:30,518 --> 00:59:33,353 to write songs with him, to teach him to be a star. 1157 00:59:40,021 --> 00:59:41,561 And then suddenly, out of nowhere, 1158 00:59:41,643 --> 00:59:43,936 Andy had about three number ones in a row. 1159 00:59:44,021 --> 00:59:45,896 He was a teen idol. 1160 00:59:45,978 --> 00:59:47,978 There was talk about him becoming a Bee Gee. 1161 00:59:48,061 --> 00:59:50,228 I think Robert saw he had a younger audience. 1162 00:59:50,313 --> 00:59:52,228 Smart to keep him on his own. 1163 01:00:00,811 --> 01:00:02,768 All of a sudden, he was the big thing. 1164 01:00:02,853 --> 01:00:05,061 There was a period when we lived in the shadow 1165 01:00:05,146 --> 01:00:07,768 of Andy's band. 1166 01:00:16,853 --> 01:00:18,561 After "Children of the World" album, 1167 01:00:18,643 --> 01:00:19,768 the next project, 1168 01:00:19,853 --> 01:00:22,021 we were booked to record in France 1169 01:00:22,103 --> 01:00:24,936 'cause of the Elton John album "Honky Château." 1170 01:00:25,021 --> 01:00:26,146 It sounded great. 1171 01:00:30,853 --> 01:00:33,021 Robert sent us there... 1172 01:00:33,103 --> 01:00:34,686 I think it was some kind of tax thing. 1173 01:00:34,768 --> 01:00:37,478 We thought, "Well, if this studio sounds that good", 1174 01:00:37,561 --> 01:00:39,313 "hell yeah, let's go off to France." 1175 01:00:39,396 --> 01:00:40,396 Why not? 1176 01:00:44,936 --> 01:00:48,603 It wasn't the honky château that Elton John had used. 1177 01:00:51,768 --> 01:00:53,643 Now, château sounds absolutely gorgeous, 1178 01:00:53,728 --> 01:00:54,811 doesn't it? 1179 01:00:54,896 --> 01:00:56,978 Beautiful building, great grounds and gardens 1180 01:00:57,061 --> 01:00:58,478 and ponds and fountains. 1181 01:00:58,561 --> 01:00:59,478 No. 1182 01:00:59,561 --> 01:01:01,478 It's nothing like that. 1183 01:01:01,561 --> 01:01:05,353 It was a half-built castle, no central heating, nothing, 1184 01:01:05,438 --> 01:01:06,478 and it was a dump. 1185 01:01:06,561 --> 01:01:08,978 We seemed to be in the middle of nowhere. 1186 01:01:09,061 --> 01:01:11,103 Not a happy place to be. 1187 01:01:11,188 --> 01:01:12,853 It was really kind of decrepit. 1188 01:01:12,936 --> 01:01:15,313 I think it'd been used to make porn movies. 1189 01:01:15,396 --> 01:01:17,188 This was not right. 1190 01:01:17,271 --> 01:01:19,188 But because there was a contract, 1191 01:01:19,271 --> 01:01:22,438 we just decided to, you know, plow on through. 1192 01:01:22,518 --> 01:01:24,146 We were going there to mix a live album 1193 01:01:24,228 --> 01:01:26,396 called "Here At Last... Live." 1194 01:01:26,478 --> 01:01:28,353 But also, we were getting songs ready 1195 01:01:28,438 --> 01:01:29,603 for our new studio album, 1196 01:01:29,686 --> 01:01:32,021 which would be the follow-up to "Children of the World." 1197 01:01:32,103 --> 01:01:35,353 And we got a call from Robert Stigwood. 1198 01:01:41,643 --> 01:01:43,021 A friend of mine, Nik Cohn, 1199 01:01:43,103 --> 01:01:45,061 wrote this piece for "New York" magazine, 1200 01:01:45,146 --> 01:01:46,853 "Tribal Rites of the New Saturday Night." 1201 01:01:46,936 --> 01:01:50,396 Disco was really underway, in Manhattan, anyway, 1202 01:01:50,478 --> 01:01:52,061 but Nik Cohn's point was that 1203 01:01:52,146 --> 01:01:54,021 rather than just being underground gay clubs, 1204 01:01:54,103 --> 01:01:56,396 straight couples are now going to do the hustle 1205 01:01:56,478 --> 01:01:58,561 on a Saturday night in the suburbs. 1206 01:01:58,643 --> 01:01:59,954 So I got Robert to buy the film rights 1207 01:01:59,978 --> 01:02:02,728 to a magazine article, of which there was no story. 1208 01:02:02,811 --> 01:02:04,438 But it caught Robert's attention 1209 01:02:04,518 --> 01:02:06,313 because he saw 1210 01:02:06,396 --> 01:02:08,103 that that's a lead role for an actor 1211 01:02:08,188 --> 01:02:09,728 if it was a movie. 1212 01:02:09,811 --> 01:02:10,811 He announced 1213 01:02:10,853 --> 01:02:12,289 at the Beverly Hills Hotel at breakfast, 1214 01:02:12,313 --> 01:02:14,518 "I'm signing John Travolta to a three-picture deal," 1215 01:02:14,603 --> 01:02:15,853 and people thought he was mad. 1216 01:02:15,936 --> 01:02:17,518 He was a TV actor. 1217 01:02:17,603 --> 01:02:19,853 No one gets a million dollars for three pictures. 1218 01:02:19,936 --> 01:02:21,786 Turned out to be the bargain of the century, of course, 1219 01:02:21,811 --> 01:02:23,438 because he got him for "Grease" 1220 01:02:23,518 --> 01:02:25,061 and the movie we don't talk about, 1221 01:02:25,146 --> 01:02:26,728 "Moment by Moment," 1222 01:02:26,811 --> 01:02:28,228 but two out of three's not bad. 1223 01:02:30,478 --> 01:02:31,896 I was still running RSO Records, 1224 01:02:31,978 --> 01:02:34,518 so my job was to do the soundtrack, 1225 01:02:34,603 --> 01:02:35,896 and my brief was, 1226 01:02:35,978 --> 01:02:37,936 "Put all of your favorite disco tracks 1227 01:02:38,021 --> 01:02:39,204 "and everyone will play it at a party 1228 01:02:39,228 --> 01:02:40,469 and they'll never stop dancing." 1229 01:02:45,686 --> 01:02:47,438 These were comparatively easy, 1230 01:02:47,518 --> 01:02:50,936 but we needed the Bee Gees to write a few songs. 1231 01:02:51,021 --> 01:02:52,561 Phone call came through from Robert, 1232 01:02:52,643 --> 01:02:54,438 saying, "I wanna make this film." 1233 01:02:54,518 --> 01:02:56,768 He said, "But I'm gonna need two or three songs." 1234 01:02:56,853 --> 01:02:59,103 It wasn't the idea that they would do the soundtrack. 1235 01:02:59,188 --> 01:03:00,313 We knew they were busy. 1236 01:03:00,396 --> 01:03:02,228 "But have you got some songs?" Robert said, 1237 01:03:02,313 --> 01:03:05,271 and they said, "Yeah, sure." 1238 01:03:05,353 --> 01:03:07,768 Robert said, "I'm sending you a script." 1239 01:03:07,853 --> 01:03:10,438 But we decided not to read the script. 1240 01:03:10,518 --> 01:03:12,643 We weren't writing the "Fever" music. 1241 01:03:12,728 --> 01:03:16,438 We were writing our new album and just having fun doing it. 1242 01:03:16,518 --> 01:03:17,744 They already had a couple of tunes 1243 01:03:17,768 --> 01:03:19,188 or some titles, anyway. 1244 01:03:19,271 --> 01:03:20,704 We thought, "Let's leave it with them." 1245 01:03:20,728 --> 01:03:25,478 What we ended up doing was the demos of these songs. 1246 01:03:25,561 --> 01:03:26,579 And I was really surprised 1247 01:03:26,603 --> 01:03:28,036 that, you know, it was only a few weeks later 1248 01:03:28,061 --> 01:03:30,103 we got the songs. 1249 01:03:30,188 --> 01:03:34,768 We got a cassette, and to this day, it's amazing. 1250 01:03:47,896 --> 01:03:49,036 It was just one after the other. 1251 01:03:49,061 --> 01:03:51,353 You know, "Stayin' Alive," "More Than a Woman," 1252 01:03:51,438 --> 01:03:53,853 "How Deep Is Your Love," "If I Can't Have You," 1253 01:03:53,936 --> 01:03:54,978 "Night Fever" 1254 01:03:55,061 --> 01:03:56,313 on one cassette. 1255 01:03:56,396 --> 01:03:58,353 And I thought, "Yes." 1256 01:03:58,438 --> 01:03:59,896 We've got a soundtrack." 1257 01:03:59,978 --> 01:04:01,811 You know, you listen to that tape, 1258 01:04:01,896 --> 01:04:03,518 whoever was playing on those records, 1259 01:04:03,603 --> 01:04:04,603 they would've been hits. 1260 01:04:04,643 --> 01:04:05,811 Those songs are so good. 1261 01:04:05,896 --> 01:04:07,978 You think, "Shit," you know? 1262 01:04:08,061 --> 01:04:10,188 "That's so cool." 1263 01:04:10,271 --> 01:04:11,478 We had the demos, 1264 01:04:11,561 --> 01:04:12,786 and then we went into the process 1265 01:04:12,811 --> 01:04:14,643 of making real records. 1266 01:04:14,728 --> 01:04:17,643 Barry and Carl and I lived in that control room, 1267 01:04:17,728 --> 01:04:19,188 I don't know, 16 hours a day. 1268 01:04:19,271 --> 01:04:21,561 - Yeah. That was the only thing to do. 1269 01:04:24,021 --> 01:04:25,853 We recorded "Night Fever" first. 1270 01:04:25,936 --> 01:04:27,478 We actually had that in the can. 1271 01:04:29,603 --> 01:04:32,518 Robert called and said, "I need a title for the film." 1272 01:04:32,603 --> 01:04:35,313 "What I've got at the moment," I said, "is two titles: 1273 01:04:35,396 --> 01:04:37,518 'Stayin' Alive' and 'Night Fever.'" 1274 01:04:37,603 --> 01:04:40,518 And he said, "'Night Fever.'" 1275 01:04:40,603 --> 01:04:42,228 Hmm," he said, "sounds okay," he said, 1276 01:04:42,313 --> 01:04:45,103 "but it sounds a bit too pornographic. 1277 01:04:45,188 --> 01:04:47,768 "It'd need to be called 'Saturday Night, '" he said. 1278 01:04:47,853 --> 01:04:49,936 So it turned into "Saturday Night Fever." 1279 01:04:55,146 --> 01:04:57,896 We were editing "Fever" on the lot at Paramount. 1280 01:04:57,978 --> 01:05:00,353 I was deluged by Paramount people saying, 1281 01:05:00,438 --> 01:05:02,396 "How's your little disco movie coming along?" 1282 01:05:02,478 --> 01:05:03,936 So that was a bit patronizing. 1283 01:05:04,021 --> 01:05:05,396 But the inspiring thing was 1284 01:05:05,478 --> 01:05:07,353 that Stigwood, during postproduction, said, 1285 01:05:07,438 --> 01:05:08,829 "Why do we wait for the release of the film? 1286 01:05:08,853 --> 01:05:09,978 Let's put out a single now." 1287 01:05:10,061 --> 01:05:12,271 And then he started with the heads of Paramount, 1288 01:05:12,353 --> 01:05:13,396 like, "How many theaters?" 1289 01:05:13,478 --> 01:05:15,188 And they told him something like 200. 1290 01:05:15,271 --> 01:05:17,728 He said, "I'm releasing the record in every city." 1291 01:05:17,811 --> 01:05:19,896 Why can't it be in every single city?" 1292 01:05:19,978 --> 01:05:21,228 So they made a deal 1293 01:05:21,313 --> 01:05:23,271 whereby if the record got to the top 20, 1294 01:05:23,353 --> 01:05:25,103 they would increase the number of screens. 1295 01:05:25,188 --> 01:05:27,228 If it got top ten, they'd go more. 1296 01:05:27,313 --> 01:05:28,768 He said, "I need the first record 1297 01:05:28,853 --> 01:05:29,853 to be number one." 1298 01:05:34,478 --> 01:05:37,603 Stigwood phoned up and said to Barry, 1299 01:05:37,686 --> 01:05:39,103 "I need the best love song 1300 01:05:39,188 --> 01:05:42,103 you've ever written for the movie." 1301 01:05:42,188 --> 01:05:44,936 So we went into a room in the château. 1302 01:05:45,021 --> 01:05:46,936 Chopin had stayed there. 1303 01:05:47,021 --> 01:05:48,561 So every time I looked at this piano, 1304 01:05:48,643 --> 01:05:51,228 I envisaged Chopin sitting down and playing. 1305 01:05:52,853 --> 01:05:53,896 I sat down at the piano 1306 01:05:53,978 --> 01:05:56,438 and thought of his Prelude in E Flat, 1307 01:05:56,518 --> 01:05:59,896 and I knew Barry could sing in E flat. 1308 01:05:59,978 --> 01:06:01,271 When we were working like that, 1309 01:06:01,353 --> 01:06:03,103 I had a cassette player. 1310 01:06:19,561 --> 01:06:21,978 And I'm sure it happened at that point. 1311 01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:24,228 Through the stained glass window 1312 01:06:24,313 --> 01:06:27,021 came a beam of sunlight, you know? 1313 01:06:40,768 --> 01:06:44,021 And that's a memory... That'll last me all my life. 1314 01:06:44,103 --> 01:06:46,228 Never forget it. 1315 01:06:46,313 --> 01:06:47,353 Never forget it. 1316 01:06:50,728 --> 01:06:51,744 You know, all the feelings, 1317 01:06:51,768 --> 01:06:53,228 all the emotions are still there. 1318 01:06:53,313 --> 01:06:55,896 When you talk about it, it all comes back, you know? 1319 01:06:58,188 --> 01:07:01,396 I have a... 1320 01:07:01,478 --> 01:07:04,686 My heart is in that song. 1321 01:08:03,146 --> 01:08:05,561 Everything came together. 1322 01:08:05,643 --> 01:08:08,438 But sadly, Dennis had had some bad news. 1323 01:08:08,518 --> 01:08:11,643 - My mother was in hospital. She had Alzheimer's. 1324 01:08:11,728 --> 01:08:14,896 So, you know, I told Barry what was going on. 1325 01:08:14,978 --> 01:08:18,313 He said, you know, "Get Dick to book you a flight now." 1326 01:08:18,395 --> 01:08:22,395 He had to fly back to the UK, and we had no drummer. 1327 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,438 We thought, "Well, we gotta carry on writing" 1328 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,935 and getting these tracks together." 1329 01:08:29,354 --> 01:08:30,895 Okay, I know now. 1330 01:08:35,104 --> 01:08:37,395 When I was at Berklee, I had studied things 1331 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,060 where they were moving tapes around 1332 01:08:39,145 --> 01:08:41,560 and make sort of these interesting sonic loops. 1333 01:08:41,645 --> 01:08:43,770 And when Dennis was not there, 1334 01:08:43,854 --> 01:08:46,145 I said, "Well, why don't we just" 1335 01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:47,509 "take a bar out of 'Night Fever'? 1336 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:48,912 "I think it's a little slower tempo. 1337 01:08:48,935 --> 01:08:50,354 "We'll slow it down a little bit 1338 01:08:50,438 --> 01:08:52,037 and see if we can make a loop out of it." 1339 01:08:57,770 --> 01:09:00,854 We found a bar that we thought had a really nice feel to it. 1340 01:09:00,935 --> 01:09:02,479 We copied it over to a... 1341 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,354 - 1/2 inch four-track. - 1/2 inch four-track. 1342 01:09:05,438 --> 01:09:08,770 And spliced the tape into a loop. 1343 01:09:08,854 --> 01:09:09,854 Tape dump. 1344 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,020 I was pretty good at imagining 1345 01:09:15,104 --> 01:09:16,645 what you might be able to do, 1346 01:09:16,729 --> 01:09:18,770 but Carl was able to make it happen. 1347 01:09:18,854 --> 01:09:22,645 It was just necessity being the mother of invention. 1348 01:09:22,729 --> 01:09:24,979 No one had taken a drumbeat before 1349 01:09:25,060 --> 01:09:27,560 and created a two-bar phrase. 1350 01:09:27,645 --> 01:09:29,810 We were breaking new ground. 1351 01:09:29,895 --> 01:09:30,979 Perfect. Good. 1352 01:09:31,060 --> 01:09:34,560 This is the first time we had ever taken the song 1353 01:09:34,645 --> 01:09:36,895 and built it piece by piece from the ground up, 1354 01:09:36,979 --> 01:09:38,479 and we started with this drum loop. 1355 01:09:40,104 --> 01:09:41,810 And then we did a bass line. 1356 01:09:43,770 --> 01:09:44,854 And then a guitar part. 1357 01:09:49,935 --> 01:09:53,270 Never again would we rely as much on the liveness. 1358 01:09:53,354 --> 01:09:54,229 We would always know 1359 01:09:54,313 --> 01:09:55,592 that we could construct the song 1360 01:09:55,645 --> 01:09:56,854 and put the pieces together 1361 01:09:56,935 --> 01:09:59,520 based on the original vision of the song 1362 01:09:59,604 --> 01:10:01,020 and how we imagined it. 1363 01:10:04,104 --> 01:10:07,645 I got back to the sessions, and there was just a buzz. 1364 01:10:07,729 --> 01:10:08,645 When we did it, we thought, 1365 01:10:08,729 --> 01:10:10,188 "We're just doing this temporarily," 1366 01:10:10,270 --> 01:10:11,520 and when Dennis comes back, 1367 01:10:11,604 --> 01:10:13,188 "we'll replace it with real drums," 1368 01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:15,895 but what happened is, the feel was so amazing 1369 01:10:15,979 --> 01:10:17,121 that we couldn't get rid of it. 1370 01:10:17,145 --> 01:10:19,395 He played it for me, and I could tell 1371 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,020 from the first listen. 1372 01:10:21,104 --> 01:10:24,560 I said, "Man, that is amazing." 1373 01:10:24,645 --> 01:10:26,438 When you listen to the drum track 1374 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,020 on "Stayin' Alive," like, by itself, 1375 01:10:29,104 --> 01:10:31,729 it's really this super rugged, like, tough thing. 1376 01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:35,895 It's like... 1377 01:10:35,979 --> 01:10:37,578 It's not pretty or pop like you remember. 1378 01:10:37,604 --> 01:10:38,604 It's pretty tough. 1379 01:10:41,810 --> 01:10:43,520 "Stayin' Alive" was the influence 1380 01:10:43,604 --> 01:10:45,560 that New York gave to us. 1381 01:10:45,645 --> 01:10:47,060 And the energy level at that point 1382 01:10:47,145 --> 01:10:50,354 in the late '70s was really that, you know? 1383 01:10:50,438 --> 01:10:51,895 It's survival. It's survival. 1384 01:10:51,979 --> 01:10:52,895 This is '77. 1385 01:10:52,979 --> 01:10:54,770 Everybody know that time is hard now. 1386 01:10:54,854 --> 01:10:56,270 You know, if I was out there myself, 1387 01:10:56,354 --> 01:10:57,810 I would've got what I wanted too. 1388 01:10:57,895 --> 01:10:58,996 You were not among the looters? 1389 01:10:59,020 --> 01:11:00,770 - No, I wasn't. Unfortunate. 1390 01:11:00,854 --> 01:11:02,037 Do you feel personally threatened 1391 01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:03,270 by the .44 Caliber Killer? 1392 01:11:03,354 --> 01:11:04,438 Yes, I do. 1393 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:05,640 I don't feel free to go out, 1394 01:11:05,685 --> 01:11:08,104 to walk the streets or go out at all. 1395 01:11:08,188 --> 01:11:10,229 Very few people realize 1396 01:11:10,313 --> 01:11:11,662 it's to do with anything but dance, 1397 01:11:11,685 --> 01:11:14,145 but the lyrics don't talk about dance at all, 1398 01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:16,604 and the lyrics very obviously state 1399 01:11:16,685 --> 01:11:18,145 the scenario of survival. 1400 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,645 I mean, that could very easily have just been a horn line, 1401 01:11:37,729 --> 01:11:39,645 but instead, their voices are so sick, 1402 01:11:39,729 --> 01:11:42,270 they're like, "Nah, we're gonna sing it." 1403 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,060 The general fever at the time 1404 01:11:49,145 --> 01:11:51,645 was, "You must see this film." 1405 01:11:51,729 --> 01:11:55,313 The songs precipitated the interest. 1406 01:11:55,395 --> 01:11:57,979 It was this cultural phenomenon. 1407 01:12:00,895 --> 01:12:02,145 In the first week of release, 1408 01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:05,188 they were having to hire extra staff in some cinemas 1409 01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:06,645 to stop them dancing in the aisles. 1410 01:12:10,438 --> 01:12:11,770 Other movies were being put back 1411 01:12:11,854 --> 01:12:14,229 or taken out of other screens to make room for "Fever." 1412 01:12:14,313 --> 01:12:16,685 I mean, it was really quite a phenomenon. 1413 01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:19,354 John took me aside at one point and said, 1414 01:12:19,438 --> 01:12:20,479 "Hey, what do you think? 1415 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,313 You think maybe an Academy Award nomination?" 1416 01:12:23,395 --> 01:12:24,836 And I'm thinking, "Jesus Christ, no." 1417 01:12:24,895 --> 01:12:26,313 I mean, this is ridiculous. 1418 01:12:26,395 --> 01:12:28,354 It's a dance movie, you know? 1419 01:12:28,438 --> 01:12:29,479 He had the last laugh. 1420 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,854 And John Travolta in "Saturday Night Fever." 1421 01:12:34,729 --> 01:12:35,746 The "Fever" thing happened. 1422 01:12:35,770 --> 01:12:37,188 That's when everything exploded. 1423 01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:39,020 Other record companies were printing it. 1424 01:12:39,104 --> 01:12:41,037 Then our record company couldn't keep up the pace. 1425 01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:42,079 We didn't know what was going on 1426 01:12:42,104 --> 01:12:44,979 because this was just a soundtrack. 1427 01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:46,121 Could I ask, for example, 1428 01:12:46,145 --> 01:12:48,560 what "Saturday Night Fever" has grossed thus far? 1429 01:12:48,645 --> 01:12:50,854 Around 110 million. 1430 01:12:50,935 --> 01:12:53,685 At the moment. In America. 1431 01:12:53,770 --> 01:12:55,520 - In America? - In America, yeah. 1432 01:12:55,604 --> 01:12:56,854 And the album? 1433 01:12:56,935 --> 01:12:58,979 The album, I think, is nearing 1434 01:12:59,060 --> 01:13:02,313 18 million double albums worldwide. 1435 01:13:02,395 --> 01:13:04,288 But I mean, that would be the record-breaker of all time. 1436 01:13:04,313 --> 01:13:07,395 Yes, it's already the biggest-grossing album 1437 01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,060 in the history of music. 1438 01:13:09,145 --> 01:13:11,560 The statistics are just incredible. 1439 01:13:11,645 --> 01:13:14,270 Four singles from "Saturday Night Fever" 1440 01:13:14,354 --> 01:13:17,229 have hit number one since the album was released, 1441 01:13:17,313 --> 01:13:20,354 more than from any other new album in history. 1442 01:13:20,438 --> 01:13:22,229 That's just a few of the statistics 1443 01:13:22,313 --> 01:13:25,060 that lead to gold records like this. 1444 01:13:25,145 --> 01:13:27,145 And so it's my privilege to say, 1445 01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:29,438 ladies and gentlemen, will you welcome 1446 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,060 the Bee Gees! 1447 01:13:33,854 --> 01:13:37,270 Has it changed your lives, the enormous success of it? 1448 01:13:38,935 --> 01:13:41,810 Yes, I can safely say it's changed our lives. 1449 01:13:44,354 --> 01:13:46,810 The Bee Gees, I think, were stunned by their success. 1450 01:13:49,354 --> 01:13:51,895 We were aware we were creating a specific sound, 1451 01:13:51,979 --> 01:13:53,538 but we didn't know what it was gonna do. 1452 01:13:55,229 --> 01:13:57,270 It did end up with them having half the top ten 1453 01:13:57,354 --> 01:13:59,145 with these songs. 1454 01:13:59,229 --> 01:14:00,354 It was extraordinary. 1455 01:14:00,438 --> 01:14:01,829 Kind of the same domination the Beatles had 1456 01:14:01,854 --> 01:14:03,313 in the '60s in America. 1457 01:14:05,895 --> 01:14:08,313 They were just everywhere. 1458 01:14:08,395 --> 01:14:10,329 But our own friends don't treat us the same way. 1459 01:14:10,354 --> 01:14:11,829 What, from a distance, they treat you? 1460 01:14:11,854 --> 01:14:14,135 Well, I was speaking to one of my friends the other day, 1461 01:14:14,188 --> 01:14:16,148 and as he was cleaning my shoes, I said, "Listen." 1462 01:14:17,395 --> 01:14:18,935 Stigwood said, 1463 01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:20,662 "Let's give the band half a point or a quarter." 1464 01:14:20,685 --> 01:14:23,810 Now, that's not a percentage. That's a tiny amount of money. 1465 01:14:23,895 --> 01:14:25,204 But when you sell as many copies 1466 01:14:25,229 --> 01:14:27,729 as "Saturday Night Fever" sold, 1467 01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:29,854 it turns out to be big money. 1468 01:14:31,935 --> 01:14:32,935 What are you doing 1469 01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:34,560 with these millions of dollars? 1470 01:14:34,645 --> 01:14:36,371 What are you doing with your millions of dollars? 1471 01:14:36,395 --> 01:14:38,685 Oh, no. 1472 01:14:38,770 --> 01:14:40,479 It is the biggest night of the year 1473 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,912 for people in the recording industry, 1474 01:14:41,935 --> 01:14:42,935 the Grammy Awards. 1475 01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:45,479 And the winner is "Saturday Night Fever." 1476 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,270 Whoo! 1477 01:14:48,354 --> 01:14:51,313 For a soundtrack to win Best Album was amazing. 1478 01:14:51,395 --> 01:14:52,871 It went on to be one of the best-selling albums 1479 01:14:52,895 --> 01:14:54,188 in history. 1480 01:14:56,895 --> 01:14:59,145 We didn't know we were defining the culture. 1481 01:14:59,229 --> 01:15:01,270 We were just still Barry, Maurice, and Robin 1482 01:15:01,354 --> 01:15:02,770 wondering what the hell's going on. 1483 01:15:11,104 --> 01:15:13,229 The fever has been contagious. 1484 01:15:13,313 --> 01:15:16,020 Discos, the places in which to dance away the night 1485 01:15:16,104 --> 01:15:18,188 and the morning hours, are thriving. 1486 01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:19,810 What the fever has done is made 1487 01:15:19,895 --> 01:15:22,935 just about anything related to disco profitable. 1488 01:15:23,020 --> 01:15:24,520 Where there's money to be made, 1489 01:15:24,604 --> 01:15:26,313 disco is the business. 1490 01:15:26,395 --> 01:15:29,520 We didn't categorize our songs as disco, 1491 01:15:29,604 --> 01:15:31,935 but then we weren't thinking that way at all. 1492 01:15:32,020 --> 01:15:33,413 We were just thinking about writing songs 1493 01:15:33,438 --> 01:15:35,645 based on this discovery of this falsetto voice 1494 01:15:35,729 --> 01:15:37,854 and how well that seemed to work. 1495 01:15:37,935 --> 01:15:39,060 What the Bee Gees brought, 1496 01:15:39,145 --> 01:15:41,854 I always felt they brought melody to disco. 1497 01:15:41,935 --> 01:15:45,188 Most disco at that point was melody-free, you know? 1498 01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:47,604 This was a different take on disco. 1499 01:15:47,685 --> 01:15:49,479 It was completely for... 1500 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,560 For the broadest possible audience. 1501 01:15:51,645 --> 01:15:52,770 - You got the lyrics? - Yes. 1502 01:15:52,854 --> 01:15:53,854 - Great. - Right here. 1503 01:15:53,895 --> 01:15:55,336 - Okay. Let's go. - Straight into it. 1504 01:15:56,854 --> 01:15:58,729 One, two, three, four. 1505 01:16:02,313 --> 01:16:03,854 Right. Okay. 1506 01:16:12,979 --> 01:16:15,395 - Hey, guys. - It's too slow. 1507 01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:16,662 It would be nice if we could find a bigger sound 1508 01:16:16,685 --> 01:16:17,685 for that solo. 1509 01:16:17,770 --> 01:16:18,685 Great. 1510 01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:19,685 The way we rehearsed it last night. 1511 01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:21,935 All right. 1512 01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:23,060 - Yeah. Just like that. 1513 01:16:23,145 --> 01:16:24,060 Yeah. Beautiful. 1514 01:16:24,145 --> 01:16:25,454 Bring that sound in. That's great. 1515 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:26,810 Yeah. 1516 01:16:26,895 --> 01:16:28,395 - Okay, let's try it again. - Okay. 1517 01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,604 One, two, three, four. 1518 01:16:47,313 --> 01:16:49,073 When we brought out "Spirits Having Flown," 1519 01:16:49,145 --> 01:16:51,104 it did phenomenally well. 1520 01:16:51,188 --> 01:16:54,270 At the same time, "Fever" was still in the top ten. 1521 01:16:54,354 --> 01:16:56,770 You know, we could've left it another year, 1522 01:16:56,854 --> 01:16:59,354 and it still probably would've been a little too soon 1523 01:16:59,438 --> 01:17:01,479 with what was going on with "Fever." 1524 01:17:10,685 --> 01:17:11,854 Good morning, everybody. 1525 01:17:11,935 --> 01:17:13,810 Charley Steiner, 99X. 1526 01:17:13,895 --> 01:17:15,645 As is per usual for Monday, 1527 01:17:15,729 --> 01:17:19,145 a very busy day coming into town. 1528 01:17:19,229 --> 01:17:21,854 I'm working at a top 40 station 1529 01:17:21,935 --> 01:17:23,810 in New York, big one, 1530 01:17:23,895 --> 01:17:26,604 WXLO, but it was known as 99X. 1531 01:17:26,685 --> 01:17:29,560 And I was the morning news guy. 1532 01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:33,520 Most radio stations had a very small playlist, 1533 01:17:33,604 --> 01:17:37,810 and the Bee Gees probably had the top four, top five hits 1534 01:17:37,895 --> 01:17:38,895 any given week. 1535 01:17:38,979 --> 01:17:40,979 13 CFRW. 1536 01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:42,329 Music of the Bee Gees and "Tragedy." 1537 01:17:42,354 --> 01:17:43,371 Get out on the dance floor 1538 01:17:43,395 --> 01:17:45,145 and do one more with the Bee Gees. 1539 01:17:45,229 --> 01:17:46,871 All the Gibb brothers together, the Bee Gees, 1540 01:17:46,895 --> 01:17:47,979 "You Should Be Dancing." 1541 01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:49,579 You should be shaking that thing one time. 1542 01:17:49,604 --> 01:17:52,354 And for those of us at the radio station, 1543 01:17:52,438 --> 01:17:53,520 we're... 1544 01:17:53,604 --> 01:17:55,145 We're gonna take hostages. 1545 01:17:56,979 --> 01:17:59,188 And if you haven't had enough Bee Gees music yet, 1546 01:17:59,270 --> 01:18:01,354 well, we've got more. 1547 01:18:01,438 --> 01:18:04,188 Guess you could kind of call it over-giving. 1548 01:18:04,270 --> 01:18:05,685 And then Andy Gibb too. 1549 01:18:05,770 --> 01:18:09,145 He was like the caboose on this musical train. 1550 01:18:09,229 --> 01:18:12,979 It was like waves in the sea. 1551 01:18:17,313 --> 01:18:19,395 You're right on the top of the world. 1552 01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,685 What is it that drives you back on the road? 1553 01:18:22,770 --> 01:18:25,395 When we make records and when we're in the studio, 1554 01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,354 we never really see who buys those records. 1555 01:18:28,438 --> 01:18:30,313 I think getting on the road means that to us. 1556 01:18:30,395 --> 01:18:33,229 It means that we come face-to-face with people 1557 01:18:33,313 --> 01:18:34,854 to whom our records mean a lot. 1558 01:18:34,935 --> 01:18:38,229 But to be sure, doing a tour is an enormous amount of work. 1559 01:18:38,313 --> 01:18:40,560 The only thing that I noticed that's not right is, 1560 01:18:40,645 --> 01:18:41,954 it doesn't actually say the Bee Gees, 1561 01:18:41,979 --> 01:18:43,121 and I think it should actually... 1562 01:18:43,145 --> 01:18:44,204 The Bee Gees' name should be... 1563 01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:46,604 It should be "Bee Gees, Spirits Having Flown." 1564 01:18:49,313 --> 01:18:52,020 The '79 tour was a complete sellout. 1565 01:18:52,104 --> 01:18:55,020 The Bee Gees hadn't toured since 1976, 1566 01:18:55,104 --> 01:18:56,645 and that tour was a promotion 1567 01:18:56,729 --> 01:18:58,163 for the "Spirits Having Flown" album, 1568 01:18:58,188 --> 01:18:59,438 but it was celebrating 1569 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,560 "Saturday Night Fever" as well, you know. 1570 01:19:01,645 --> 01:19:03,560 25,000 people are supposed to be here. 1571 01:19:03,645 --> 01:19:04,810 It's gonna be great. 1572 01:19:04,895 --> 01:19:06,454 You don't mind the Bee Gees in the rain? 1573 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:07,935 - No. - No, not at all. 1574 01:19:08,020 --> 01:19:09,935 We've been here since 9:00 this morning. 1575 01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:12,060 They're worth waiting in the rain for. 1576 01:19:12,145 --> 01:19:14,604 I mean, it was huge. 1577 01:19:14,685 --> 01:19:16,770 Dodger Stadium, places like that. 1578 01:19:16,854 --> 01:19:18,895 We used to dream of this. 1579 01:19:18,979 --> 01:19:20,979 Having people in the audience like Barbra Streisand 1580 01:19:21,060 --> 01:19:22,770 watching your show and loving it, you know, 1581 01:19:22,854 --> 01:19:25,313 I mean, these are fantasies. 1582 01:19:25,395 --> 01:19:27,104 You're in a sort of goldfish bowl on tour. 1583 01:19:27,188 --> 01:19:28,496 You know, it's like, you don't see much 1584 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:29,438 of what's going on out there. 1585 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,104 Anyway, the most important thing is 1586 01:19:31,188 --> 01:19:32,371 what we're gonna do after the show. 1587 01:19:32,395 --> 01:19:33,729 What do you wanna do? 1588 01:19:33,810 --> 01:19:35,163 That's what we're here to talk about. 1589 01:19:35,188 --> 01:19:36,604 It's here. 1590 01:19:36,685 --> 01:19:38,438 The Disco Body Shaper, 1591 01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,685 the brand-new exerciser sensation 1592 01:19:40,770 --> 01:19:42,270 that's sweeping the country. 1593 01:19:42,354 --> 01:19:44,104 Send for yours today. 1594 01:19:44,188 --> 01:19:47,520 Buy it today, be a disco star tonight. 1595 01:19:47,604 --> 01:19:49,604 Let's disco to Burger King. 1596 01:19:49,685 --> 01:19:51,770 It all goes back to one thing 1597 01:19:51,854 --> 01:19:53,438 and the same thing that's happening now: 1598 01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:54,604 greed. 1599 01:19:56,395 --> 01:20:00,313 Greed is the thing that happens in people 1600 01:20:00,395 --> 01:20:03,354 that really ruins a lot of shit. 1601 01:20:05,060 --> 01:20:06,060 In the beginning, 1602 01:20:06,104 --> 01:20:07,979 you would buy a disco-bannered record 1603 01:20:08,060 --> 01:20:09,810 and it would be a great song, 1604 01:20:09,895 --> 01:20:11,685 no matter which one you picked out. 1605 01:20:14,604 --> 01:20:18,854 But then some executive in diapers decided, 1606 01:20:18,935 --> 01:20:21,020 "Let's put 'disco' 1607 01:20:21,104 --> 01:20:23,770 on all these records we wanna sell," 1608 01:20:23,854 --> 01:20:26,145 and it wasn't good music anymore. 1609 01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:27,979 It was garbage. 1610 01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:35,770 Ah, get down, mama. 1611 01:20:35,854 --> 01:20:37,079 So that was, I think, the straw 1612 01:20:37,104 --> 01:20:38,229 that broke the camel's back. 1613 01:20:40,810 --> 01:20:42,935 Disco as a purely musical form 1614 01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:45,020 is, you know, dead. 1615 01:20:45,104 --> 01:20:46,020 I hated it. 1616 01:20:46,104 --> 01:20:47,503 Couldn't think of anything redeem... 1617 01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:48,685 It was old people's music. 1618 01:20:48,770 --> 01:20:51,354 It was a very easy thing 1619 01:20:51,438 --> 01:20:54,854 to get involved with for commercial reasons. 1620 01:20:58,479 --> 01:20:59,854 I'd like to show you 1621 01:20:59,935 --> 01:21:02,229 how we destroy the disco records. 1622 01:21:02,313 --> 01:21:04,520 This is how I do it. 1623 01:21:04,604 --> 01:21:06,854 Have to kind of get worked up a little bit. 1624 01:21:06,935 --> 01:21:08,145 - It's like... - Yeah. 1625 01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:10,020 And then I just... 1626 01:21:12,060 --> 01:21:13,354 Oof. That felt good. 1627 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,354 Our next guest tonight is Steve Dahl. 1628 01:21:16,438 --> 01:21:19,229 And he is a disc jockey for station WLUP-FM 1629 01:21:19,313 --> 01:21:20,895 out in Chicago, Illinois, 1630 01:21:20,979 --> 01:21:22,560 and he hates disco music. 1631 01:21:22,645 --> 01:21:25,395 Steve Dahl was kind of hard to avoid in Chicago. 1632 01:21:34,145 --> 01:21:36,560 Steve Dahl was on the radio saying, "Disco sucks." 1633 01:21:36,645 --> 01:21:38,560 Disco sucks." 1634 01:21:38,645 --> 01:21:40,560 I was 14. 1635 01:21:40,645 --> 01:21:42,560 I listened to the Loop, 1636 01:21:42,645 --> 01:21:45,685 the radio station that this kind of centered around. 1637 01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:47,729 He brings helium to the studio, 1638 01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:50,438 inhales it and imitates the Bee Gees on the air, 1639 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,229 and then breaks up their records. 1640 01:22:01,354 --> 01:22:04,935 You know, when you do all those things, 1641 01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:06,479 like put out garbage, 1642 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,270 you know, have radio being... feeling ostracized 1643 01:22:10,354 --> 01:22:13,270 and a lot of straight people feeling threatened, 1644 01:22:13,354 --> 01:22:17,270 it creates a real poison. 1645 01:22:19,729 --> 01:22:21,060 Hello again, everybody. 1646 01:22:21,145 --> 01:22:23,935 Harry Caray and Jimmy Piersall from Comiskey Park, 1647 01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:27,438 where we're gonna have a wild night tonight, 1648 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,060 a twilight doubleheader. 1649 01:22:29,145 --> 01:22:31,604 I was an usher at Comiskey Park. 1650 01:22:31,685 --> 01:22:33,145 That was my first job. 1651 01:22:33,229 --> 01:22:36,270 Look at that crowd out there. 1652 01:22:36,354 --> 01:22:37,395 50,000 people, 1653 01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:38,759 the largest crowd of the season, 1654 01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:41,270 showed up at Chicago's Comiskey Park. 1655 01:22:41,354 --> 01:22:43,145 Many had come for Disco Demolition Night, 1656 01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:44,935 a promotional gimmick. 1657 01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:47,979 15,000 others had to be turned away. 1658 01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:49,145 Steve Dahl says, 1659 01:22:49,229 --> 01:22:52,354 "We're gonna let everybody in the White Sox park 1660 01:22:52,438 --> 01:22:55,438 "for 98¢ 1661 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,270 "if you bring a disco record, 1662 01:22:57,354 --> 01:22:58,833 "and we're gonna blow those records up 1663 01:22:58,895 --> 01:23:00,354 in the middle of center field." 1664 01:23:02,729 --> 01:23:05,145 We're letting people in. 1665 01:23:05,229 --> 01:23:09,270 I pointed out to my chief usher, 1666 01:23:09,354 --> 01:23:11,854 "That record, that record, that record, 1667 01:23:11,935 --> 01:23:14,188 "that record, that record, that record, 1668 01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:16,270 "those aren't disco records. 1669 01:23:16,354 --> 01:23:18,604 Those are just... Those are R&B records." 1670 01:23:20,979 --> 01:23:24,020 And the thing that I noticed 1671 01:23:24,104 --> 01:23:26,354 more than anything 1672 01:23:26,438 --> 01:23:29,188 was just mostly Black records. 1673 01:23:30,895 --> 01:23:31,979 At the same time 1674 01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:34,020 all this stuff is going down in Chicago, 1675 01:23:34,104 --> 01:23:35,854 we were playing the stadiums. 1676 01:23:35,935 --> 01:23:38,395 It was an amazing tour. 1677 01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,020 We were sort of, like, in our own little world, 1678 01:23:41,104 --> 01:23:43,145 not thinking about the outside world. 1679 01:24:15,810 --> 01:24:18,354 He struck him out, and the ball game is over. 1680 01:24:22,854 --> 01:24:26,395 Okay, let's usher Steve down to the explosives 1681 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,395 with a loud "Disco sucks" chant. 1682 01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,395 Disco sucks! 1683 01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,604 Disco sucks! 1684 01:24:34,685 --> 01:24:36,685 Disco sucks! 1685 01:24:36,770 --> 01:24:38,854 Disco sucks! 1686 01:24:38,935 --> 01:24:40,770 Disco sucks! 1687 01:24:40,854 --> 01:24:42,270 Disco sucks! 1688 01:24:43,979 --> 01:24:45,578 Ladies and gentlemen, our brother Andy. 1689 01:25:25,604 --> 01:25:26,770 Come on! 1690 01:25:26,854 --> 01:25:28,621 Andy joined us onstage for "You Should Be Dancing," 1691 01:25:28,645 --> 01:25:30,979 and it was the four of us together, 1692 01:25:31,060 --> 01:25:32,604 and Andy joined my mic, 1693 01:25:32,685 --> 01:25:34,479 so we were singing around the one mic, 1694 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,685 and he kept looking up, and he stood back and he goes, 1695 01:25:36,770 --> 01:25:39,060 "Can you believe this shit?" 1696 01:25:41,354 --> 01:25:43,770 Nobody could believe what was going on. 1697 01:25:43,854 --> 01:25:45,173 And to see the four of us onstage, 1698 01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:46,662 when I looked over and saw Barry and Robin 1699 01:25:46,685 --> 01:25:48,079 and I saw Andy in front of me, I thought, 1700 01:25:48,104 --> 01:25:50,479 "This is how it's gotta be." 1701 01:25:58,935 --> 01:26:00,645 How 'bout the Bee Gees? 1702 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,313 Well, listen, we took all the disco records 1703 01:26:06,395 --> 01:26:08,520 that you brought tonight, 1704 01:26:08,604 --> 01:26:11,729 threw 'em in a giant box, 1705 01:26:11,810 --> 01:26:15,354 and we're gonna blow 'em up real good. 1706 01:26:28,270 --> 01:26:32,520 One, two, three, boom! 1707 01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:40,020 That blew 'em up real good! 1708 01:26:48,395 --> 01:26:51,188 They'd tell you as an usher, every now and then, 1709 01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:53,145 you're gonna get a drunk person 1710 01:26:53,229 --> 01:26:54,854 storming the field. 1711 01:26:54,935 --> 01:26:57,395 Try to grab 'em, hold on to 'em, or whatever. 1712 01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,188 But everybody ran on the field. 1713 01:27:08,935 --> 01:27:11,229 When I got older, I recognized 1714 01:27:11,313 --> 01:27:15,729 that this was actually the end of a era. 1715 01:27:18,313 --> 01:27:19,729 It was a book burning. 1716 01:27:19,810 --> 01:27:22,188 It was a racist, 1717 01:27:22,270 --> 01:27:25,060 homophobic book burning. 1718 01:27:25,145 --> 01:27:28,685 And the Bee Gees got caught up in that 1719 01:27:28,770 --> 01:27:31,104 because they were part of that culture 1720 01:27:31,188 --> 01:27:33,895 that was lifting a lot of people up. 1721 01:27:39,685 --> 01:27:40,979 - Thank you. We love you. 1722 01:27:41,060 --> 01:27:43,354 And we'll see you again. Bye-bye. 1723 01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:53,810 Nearly 7,000 spectators held their very own demolition. 1724 01:27:53,895 --> 01:27:56,685 Game two of the doubleheader was canceled last night. 1725 01:27:56,770 --> 01:28:00,229 That game will be forfeited. 1726 01:28:00,313 --> 01:28:02,520 The anti-disco movement 1727 01:28:02,604 --> 01:28:05,104 was almost anti-Bee Gees at that point. 1728 01:28:05,188 --> 01:28:07,935 Ironically, the soundtrack to "Saturday Night Fever," 1729 01:28:08,020 --> 01:28:09,935 the album that made them superstars, 1730 01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:12,604 also branded them as a disco group. 1731 01:28:12,685 --> 01:28:14,270 Because you can dance to it, I mean, 1732 01:28:14,354 --> 01:28:15,953 doesn't necessarily make it a disco song. 1733 01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:17,604 I mean, you can dance to lots of songs. 1734 01:28:17,685 --> 01:28:20,020 You really don't wanna be labeled "disco"... 1735 01:28:20,104 --> 01:28:21,313 - No, no. - At all, do you? 1736 01:28:21,395 --> 01:28:23,020 Because our music is a variety 1737 01:28:23,104 --> 01:28:24,270 of different kinds of music. 1738 01:28:24,354 --> 01:28:25,979 It shouldn't be called just that. 1739 01:28:26,060 --> 01:28:28,020 So people hated disco. 1740 01:28:28,104 --> 01:28:30,188 Hated it. 1741 01:28:30,270 --> 01:28:31,604 We had FBI and Secret Service 1742 01:28:31,685 --> 01:28:33,704 around the airplane every time we landed in a certain place 1743 01:28:33,729 --> 01:28:35,479 'cause of the bomb threats. 1744 01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,979 It was scary stuff. 1745 01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:39,313 We were perplexed, 1746 01:28:39,395 --> 01:28:40,729 'cause I got that vibe from them. 1747 01:28:40,810 --> 01:28:42,520 You know, "Why are people doing this?" 1748 01:28:42,604 --> 01:28:44,270 The Bee Gees claim 1749 01:28:44,354 --> 01:28:46,479 some radio stations around the country 1750 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,188 are refusing to play their new single. 1751 01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:50,537 The Bee Gees are not allowed to have a hit 1752 01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,841 because they had a lot of success 1753 01:28:51,895 --> 01:28:53,015 with "Saturday Night Fever." 1754 01:28:53,060 --> 01:28:54,145 That, to me, is crap. 1755 01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:56,810 Radio is, of course, very difficult to get back 1756 01:28:56,895 --> 01:28:58,270 once you lose them. 1757 01:28:58,354 --> 01:29:00,560 Back then, if you weren't on the radio, 1758 01:29:00,645 --> 01:29:01,645 there was nothing. 1759 01:29:01,729 --> 01:29:03,560 - Let's all grow up. We're just a pop group. 1760 01:29:03,645 --> 01:29:04,854 We're not a political force. 1761 01:29:04,935 --> 01:29:06,354 We're just making music. 1762 01:29:06,438 --> 01:29:07,996 But I don't think there's any reason to chalk us off 1763 01:29:08,020 --> 01:29:09,520 because we existed in the '70s 1764 01:29:09,604 --> 01:29:11,524 and we would like to exist in the '80s, you know. 1765 01:29:11,604 --> 01:29:14,395 Does anybody mind if we exist in the '80s, thank you? 1766 01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,020 It was so overwhelming, 1767 01:29:17,104 --> 01:29:20,060 and the whole dynamic changed. 1768 01:29:20,145 --> 01:29:22,810 There were just crazy days. 1769 01:29:22,895 --> 01:29:25,060 I preferred Maurice as Maurice not being a Bee Gee, 1770 01:29:25,145 --> 01:29:26,520 if that makes sense to you. 1771 01:29:26,604 --> 01:29:30,060 I preferred him as Maurice, not being a Bee Gee. 1772 01:29:30,145 --> 01:29:31,729 Suddenly, they realized 1773 01:29:31,810 --> 01:29:34,020 that they were in a different position. 1774 01:29:34,104 --> 01:29:37,104 Robin went through a kind of... 1775 01:29:37,188 --> 01:29:39,854 It wasn't a breakdown, but it was just something 1776 01:29:39,935 --> 01:29:43,229 where he felt very shy of being in public 1777 01:29:43,313 --> 01:29:45,438 and doing things for a while. 1778 01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,060 The backlash was a very frightening experience. 1779 01:29:48,145 --> 01:29:49,854 When things get to that point, 1780 01:29:49,935 --> 01:29:53,229 you're out of control of the whole thing. 1781 01:29:53,313 --> 01:29:55,246 We thought the Bee Gees better go on the back burner 1782 01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:57,395 for a while until this dies down 1783 01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,060 or something, you know. 1784 01:29:59,145 --> 01:30:01,438 We couldn't do anything as the Bee Gees at all. 1785 01:30:03,313 --> 01:30:05,479 Well, backlash, I'm really good on. 1786 01:30:09,685 --> 01:30:13,560 Any band that is successful 1787 01:30:13,645 --> 01:30:16,520 is going to have 1788 01:30:16,604 --> 01:30:20,229 some form of resist... That's just the law of nature. 1789 01:30:21,313 --> 01:30:23,438 When they get so successful, 1790 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:24,935 sometimes the only interesting thing 1791 01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:27,313 to say about them is, "Oh, I don't like them. 1792 01:30:27,395 --> 01:30:29,537 "Everyone else likes, you know, 'How Deep Is Your Love.' 1793 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,354 I don't... You know, it's stupid." 1794 01:30:32,438 --> 01:30:34,270 For bands of my generation, 1795 01:30:34,354 --> 01:30:36,270 you understand about the ups and downs. 1796 01:30:36,354 --> 01:30:38,604 You can see it. Like, where are the pitfalls? 1797 01:30:38,685 --> 01:30:40,935 What is the shit you're gonna take? 1798 01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:43,104 When might this happen? When might that happen? 1799 01:30:43,188 --> 01:30:44,979 For those people that were on the first wave 1800 01:30:45,060 --> 01:30:48,229 of sort of global pop superstardom, 1801 01:30:48,313 --> 01:30:49,979 if you wanna call it that, 1802 01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:51,104 it was new to them. 1803 01:30:51,188 --> 01:30:52,996 Like, "Why does everyone suddenly hate our band?" 1804 01:30:53,020 --> 01:30:55,104 "We sold 8 billion records last year. 1805 01:30:55,188 --> 01:30:57,229 What's the deal?" 1806 01:30:57,313 --> 01:30:59,479 So it's confusing. 1807 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,270 It was not just the Bee Gees 1808 01:31:01,354 --> 01:31:05,810 but the idea of dance 1809 01:31:05,895 --> 01:31:07,479 in that period, 1810 01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,438 it was no longer acceptable 1811 01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,020 for this kind of music to carry the weight, 1812 01:31:13,104 --> 01:31:15,020 to carry the industry. 1813 01:31:16,685 --> 01:31:18,520 Everybody was at that point in their lives 1814 01:31:18,604 --> 01:31:22,395 where they began to look for other things to do. 1815 01:31:23,895 --> 01:31:26,438 And Andy was having problems too. 1816 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,145 - Andy? Andy... 1817 01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:30,145 I saw him in Malibu. 1818 01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:31,270 He'd been involved 1819 01:31:31,354 --> 01:31:33,645 with a lot of people who were doing drugs, 1820 01:31:33,729 --> 01:31:35,354 and he was doing drugs. 1821 01:31:35,438 --> 01:31:37,810 He was doing cocaine. 1822 01:31:37,895 --> 01:31:40,604 I talked to him outside on the balcony, 1823 01:31:40,685 --> 01:31:42,662 saying, you know, "This is really a nice house, Andy." 1824 01:31:42,685 --> 01:31:44,770 "It's a nice car out there, that Porsche. 1825 01:31:44,854 --> 01:31:46,020 "Really nice. 1826 01:31:46,104 --> 01:31:48,395 You're not gonna keep all this, you know." 1827 01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:49,854 And he said, "What do you mean?" 1828 01:31:49,935 --> 01:31:51,854 I said, "You do what you're doing, 1829 01:31:51,935 --> 01:31:53,354 "this stuff will vanish. 1830 01:31:53,438 --> 01:31:54,810 "All this stuff will go. 1831 01:31:54,895 --> 01:31:57,188 Your career will go out the window, everything." 1832 01:31:57,270 --> 01:32:00,229 And he says, "I know. I know. I know what I have to do." 1833 01:32:00,313 --> 01:32:03,060 There was a lot of chaos that I didn't witness, 1834 01:32:03,145 --> 01:32:05,685 but I was aware of it. 1835 01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:07,079 We were scattered all over the place 1836 01:32:07,104 --> 01:32:08,354 for a little while. 1837 01:32:10,313 --> 01:32:14,060 Robin was either in New York, or Maurice was in England. 1838 01:32:14,145 --> 01:32:15,520 I was alone at the time, 1839 01:32:15,604 --> 01:32:18,020 and I got a phone call from Barbra. 1840 01:32:20,810 --> 01:32:23,354 She asked me about writing songs for her, 1841 01:32:23,438 --> 01:32:26,685 and that terrified me. 1842 01:32:26,770 --> 01:32:29,395 I don't know if I can do this, you know? 1843 01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:30,729 So I called my brothers, 1844 01:32:30,810 --> 01:32:33,395 and I said, "This is what we gotta do. 1845 01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,520 And let's do it." 1846 01:32:35,604 --> 01:32:37,770 And that's how the "Guilty" album came about. 1847 01:32:41,979 --> 01:32:44,854 We really could not get on the radio. 1848 01:32:44,935 --> 01:32:48,395 So the whole idea was to write for other people. 1849 01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:49,729 Let's be songwriters. 1850 01:32:49,810 --> 01:32:52,438 Let's try and graduate from being a group 1851 01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,604 that's probably... 1852 01:32:55,685 --> 01:32:58,020 beginning to fade, you know? 1853 01:32:58,104 --> 01:33:00,729 Let's see if we can dance around that. 1854 01:33:10,313 --> 01:33:12,604 It was more about outlets for writing, 1855 01:33:12,685 --> 01:33:16,145 writing songs that aren't Bee Gees songs. 1856 01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:18,104 They have an attitude somewhere else. 1857 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,104 Now, Robin, you and Barry cowrote "Woman in Love," 1858 01:33:36,188 --> 01:33:38,560 which became the international smash. 1859 01:33:38,645 --> 01:33:41,229 Was it difficult taking the woman's perspective? 1860 01:33:41,313 --> 01:33:43,810 Oh, no. 1861 01:33:43,895 --> 01:33:45,270 It's our way of doing things. 1862 01:33:45,354 --> 01:33:46,354 We will assume that role 1863 01:33:46,395 --> 01:33:47,935 within the song to write the song. 1864 01:33:48,020 --> 01:33:49,895 After the Barbra Streisand album, 1865 01:33:49,979 --> 01:33:52,104 managers would call up all the time: 1866 01:33:52,188 --> 01:33:53,979 "Gee, can I get together with you guys? 1867 01:33:54,060 --> 01:33:55,354 Will you make my record?" 1868 01:33:55,438 --> 01:33:56,854 And, you know, established artists. 1869 01:34:12,729 --> 01:34:13,871 It was just as important for us 1870 01:34:13,895 --> 01:34:15,604 to have an artist singing one of our songs 1871 01:34:15,685 --> 01:34:18,354 and being on the radio as it was for ourselves. 1872 01:34:27,685 --> 01:34:29,479 When you write a song with someone in mind 1873 01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,020 that you really love 1874 01:34:31,104 --> 01:34:33,854 and then that person ends up singing it, 1875 01:34:33,935 --> 01:34:35,645 there's no reward like it. 1876 01:34:47,729 --> 01:34:50,854 We wrote so many different types of song, 1877 01:34:50,935 --> 01:34:53,685 and that created that new determination 1878 01:34:53,770 --> 01:34:56,854 for us to become the Bee Gees again. 1879 01:35:05,935 --> 01:35:07,604 I think, over time, 1880 01:35:07,685 --> 01:35:10,060 we became more and more unified. 1881 01:35:10,145 --> 01:35:11,520 By '85, 1882 01:35:11,604 --> 01:35:13,060 we really got it together as a group. 1883 01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:17,810 We became a real band again. 1884 01:35:29,854 --> 01:35:31,645 We never really had a category. 1885 01:35:31,729 --> 01:35:33,895 We just had different periods, 1886 01:35:33,979 --> 01:35:36,520 and we managed to fit into different eras, 1887 01:35:36,604 --> 01:35:38,395 and we saw a lot of people 1888 01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,520 who were the champions of their era come and go. 1889 01:35:41,604 --> 01:35:44,520 We didn't always connect, but we stayed around. 1890 01:35:44,604 --> 01:35:46,810 We managed to defy the criticism 1891 01:35:46,895 --> 01:35:47,895 most of the time. 1892 01:35:54,685 --> 01:35:55,895 And I just hope and pray 1893 01:35:55,979 --> 01:35:58,270 that the music lasts, you know? 1894 01:35:58,354 --> 01:35:59,770 Because I begin to recognize 1895 01:35:59,854 --> 01:36:01,895 that there's not as much time in front of me 1896 01:36:01,979 --> 01:36:04,645 as there is behind me. 1897 01:36:10,854 --> 01:36:11,935 Hi, Australia. 1898 01:36:12,020 --> 01:36:13,810 This is Andy Gibb here in Miami, 1899 01:36:13,895 --> 01:36:15,604 and I'd like to wish all you kids... 1900 01:36:15,685 --> 01:36:16,979 One more time? 1901 01:36:20,020 --> 01:36:21,104 Hi, Australia. 1902 01:36:21,188 --> 01:36:22,770 This is Andy Gibb here in Miami, 1903 01:36:22,854 --> 01:36:24,145 and I'd like to wish all the kids 1904 01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:26,810 and all my friends in Australia a very merry Christmas 1905 01:36:26,895 --> 01:36:28,145 and a happy New Year. 1906 01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:49,685 Barry was first, 1907 01:36:49,770 --> 01:36:51,871 and then, in fact, Robin's half an hour older than I am, 1908 01:36:51,895 --> 01:36:53,270 and we're twins, 1909 01:36:53,354 --> 01:36:55,979 and that's how we basically met. 1910 01:37:10,270 --> 01:37:11,537 Robert Stigwood, this is for you. 1911 01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:12,479 No, you didn't do it. 1912 01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:13,871 - You gotta react to the thing. - What line? 1913 01:37:13,895 --> 01:37:14,979 Oh, the reaction? 1914 01:37:15,060 --> 01:37:15,979 - Yeah. - All right. 1915 01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:17,520 - It's a close-up. - Okay. 1916 01:37:17,604 --> 01:37:19,121 Oh, yeah, that's right. Sorry, do it again. 1917 01:37:19,145 --> 01:37:20,506 - Yeah, do it again. - Do it again. 1918 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,020 Okay. 1919 01:37:22,104 --> 01:37:23,645 Robert Stigwood, this is for you. 1920 01:37:46,270 --> 01:37:47,313 Ladies and gentlemen, 1921 01:37:47,395 --> 01:37:49,854 an Oscar nominee for "Saturday Night Fever," 1922 01:37:49,935 --> 01:37:52,479 John Travolta. 1923 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,560 Tonight 1924 01:37:54,645 --> 01:37:57,145 the Recording Academy is celebrating 1925 01:37:57,229 --> 01:38:00,188 three brothers who changed my life 1926 01:38:00,270 --> 01:38:02,560 and the world of music forever, 1927 01:38:02,645 --> 01:38:05,645 and though brothers Robin and Maurice are sadly gone, 1928 01:38:05,729 --> 01:38:08,685 we are thrilled to be joined by a brother like no other, 1929 01:38:08,770 --> 01:38:11,479 one of the most successful singer-songwriters 1930 01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,438 of our times, my friend Barry Gibb. 1931 01:38:40,270 --> 01:38:43,313 They're a brilliant chapter in the book of music. 1932 01:38:43,395 --> 01:38:44,895 You know, some people are a footnote. 1933 01:38:44,979 --> 01:38:45,979 Some people take up... 1934 01:38:46,020 --> 01:38:48,479 The Beatles and Dylan take up huge... 1935 01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:49,895 But the Bee Gees are there. 1936 01:38:57,313 --> 01:38:59,479 You go back and look at their body of work, 1937 01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,935 and it's some of the best songs ever written. 1938 01:39:05,313 --> 01:39:06,829 There's nothing else to say about the Bee Gees 1939 01:39:06,854 --> 01:39:08,438 except they were fucking awesome. 1940 01:39:52,060 --> 01:39:55,479 When I think about it now, 1941 01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,895 I think about how it all sort of started. 1942 01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,810 We just had this dream, 1943 01:40:01,895 --> 01:40:04,313 and we thought, "Well", 1944 01:40:04,395 --> 01:40:06,313 what do we want to be famous for?" 1945 01:40:08,438 --> 01:40:11,060 It turns out it was the songwriting. 1946 01:40:14,935 --> 01:40:18,060 And I think everything we set out to do, 1947 01:40:18,145 --> 01:40:20,229 we did, against all odds. 1948 01:40:22,438 --> 01:40:24,354 I can't honestly come to terms with the fact 1949 01:40:24,438 --> 01:40:26,188 that they're not here anymore. 1950 01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:28,188 Never been able to do that. 1951 01:40:32,438 --> 01:40:34,188 I'm always reliving it. 1952 01:40:34,270 --> 01:40:35,579 It's always, "What would Robin think?" 1953 01:40:35,604 --> 01:40:37,354 or, "What would Maurice think?" 1954 01:40:37,438 --> 01:40:39,188 And Andy. 1955 01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:40,645 It never goes away. 1956 01:40:43,770 --> 01:40:47,060 And what I wanted to say earlier 1957 01:40:47,145 --> 01:40:49,020 is that I'd rather have 'em all back here, 1958 01:40:49,104 --> 01:40:50,604 no hits at all. 1959 01:44:56,145 --> 01:44:59,188 Barry, Barry, Barry, 1960 01:44:59,270 --> 01:45:03,685 Barry, Barry, Barry, Barry, Barry, Barry, 1961 01:45:03,770 --> 01:45:08,645 Barry, Barry, Barry, Barry, Barry, Barry. 1962 01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:16,854 One, two, three, four. 146730

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