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Where are your toes?
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There's your toes?
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Where are your fingers?
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Hi, Daddy.
That's right.
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Hi, everybody.
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We start with breaking news
in Madison tonight,
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where a body has been found
in a waterfront home there.
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Police tonight are treating it
as a homicide.
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News Channel 8
first on the scene
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at Middle Beach Road.
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News Channel 8's Sara Welch
joins us
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live in Madison tonight,
and what do you know, Sara?
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Madison police
and state police have been
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out at this home
at 44 Middle Beach Road
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since about 11:30 this morning.
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Let's take a look.
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You can see the road is
blocked off by police.
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They are treating this case
as a homicide.
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It's hard to see
44 Middle Beach Road
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from this vantage point.
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Here's what we do know:
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A woman in her late 40s was
found injured in her yard.
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She was pronounced dead
at the scene.
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Police are not releasing
the victim's name,
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but News Channel 8 has learned
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that a woman
named Barbara Hamburg
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rents the house.
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I said, "No, you're not
telling me that.
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It's not real."
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And it was real.
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It was like being hit
by a boulder.
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I had two voicemails
from my father,
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two voicemails from Leu,
and three from Chris.
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And I went, "Well,
either we hit the lottery",
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or something awful
has happened.
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What was
your first reaction?
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Didn't sound right
the whole way up here.
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You know, essentially saying
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that my sister had
been murdered.
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Um...
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I remember my mom texted me.
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And I was just, like, standing
in the middle of the terminal
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like, "What the fuck?"
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What happened
when you got home?
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Oh, man.
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Like, the chaos begins.
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The medical examiner ruling
the killing a homicide,
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"describing the cause of death
as "blunt force trauma
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and sharp force injury."
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What kind of wounds
did she have?
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She was stabbed.
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She had a terrible head wound.
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Her carotid artery
was stabbed.
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All over.
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They say it was 18 times.
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Right now, the coroner,
M.E. are on scene.
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State police,
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along with Madison police,
are on scene,
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trying to figure out
who killed this woman.
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Police won't say
if the killing was random,
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or if this mother
was targeted.
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This is a crime of passion.
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People don't get murdered,
and that brutally,
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without it being
a very personal thing.
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Stunned and shocked, friends
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of 48-year-old Barbara Hamburg
flooding Facebook,
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offering sympathy
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for her teenage son
and daughter.
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Meantime, detectives combing
the yard where she was found.
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I know it's... it's tough
to think about this.
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- I just have a couple questions.
- Yeah, it's fine.
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What was
your best recollection
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of coming home?
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Something wasn't right.
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We were calling her.
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We couldn't get in touch
with her.
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Ali and I pulled up,
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and Ali's like, "Why is
Mom's car in the driveway?"
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And I said, "I don't know.
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I don't know, Al."
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Her keys were in the door,
but the door was locked.
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And we go inside
and we're screaming her name.
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We're calling out for her.
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We don't know where she is.
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She's nowhere to be found.
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Nothing is making sense.
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I go around the house,
and I hear Conway screaming.
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I see these cushions
up against the bushes
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and I'm like, "What the hell?"
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So I pull one cushion off
and I'm like, "Oh.
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It's an animal."
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Why did you think
it was an animal?
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All I could see was, like,
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mushed-up hair and blood.
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So you pull back
the second cushion,
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what happens?
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It's your mom.
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Hi, Madison.
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Madison!
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Hi.
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Barbara Hamburg's son posted
a message on Facebook
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saying now is the time
to stay strong.
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That's what his mother
would've wanted.
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She said, "Mom's dead."
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I just wanted to wake up.
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'Cause I knew
that that couldn't be real.
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Everything that was important
in my life then
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within, like, a split second...
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Meant nothing.
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We're about to take
a brief tour of Connecticut.
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In this astronaut's-eye view
from outer space,
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it appears small
geographically,
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but it looms
increasingly large
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the closer one approaches.
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Connecticut is
strategically located
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between New York and Boston
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in the heart of the rich
northeastern market.
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It's a state
of dynamic economic growth,
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rich in variety
and full of opportunity.
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Are you busy right now?
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So I told you
I've been working
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on, like, a couple projects,
right?
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I'm doing a documentary
on my mom.
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Yeah.
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And I was just calling
to ask you
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if you would be willing...
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I'm going to Connecticut
this weekend.
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I was asking you
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if you would be willing to...
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to be interviewed about it.
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Just about, like, her life.
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What do you mean?
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There they are.
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- Hi, Grammy.
- Morning.
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Good morning.
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Hi, sweetness.
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How's my dear grandson?
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How are you?
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Aww, it's good to see you,
honeybunch.
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Is it good?
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Check, one, two, one, two.
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This is a picture
of the four Barbaras.
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That's my mother,
known as Gram,
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on the right, Barbara,
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and in the middle,
that's me, Barbara,
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and this is Madison's mom
on the left, Barbara,
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and that's Ali, who is really
Barbara Alexandra.
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So we have four Barbaras.
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And two of them are
no longer with us.
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It's hard to believe that part.
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And we have...
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Madison, Ali, and Brian.
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Brian is Maddie's half brother,
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who is a doctor.
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Yeah.
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This is great.
I love your glasses.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Barbie looked the most like me
of all my daughters.
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I would go down
to Grandparents' Day
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and people would come along
and they'd say,
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"I know who you are."
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"You're Madison's grandma,
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"'cause you look
just like Barbie.
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Barbie looks just like you."
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Can you describe
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the last time
you talked to her?
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Your mom?
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Well, I can describe
the last time I saw her better.
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She was here.
She was visiting.
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And she and I sat in that bed
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and talked a long time
that night before she left.
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About life and, you know...
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I remember distinctly
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her walking away...
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- Everybody smile.
- Yeah.
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Aww.
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And I know I talked to Mom
on the phone
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after that many times,
but that image sticks with me.
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That's an important image.
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And that was not too long
before she was murdered.
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We had a great relationship,
your mom and I.
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We truly, truly did.
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So I miss her terribly.
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And hopefully this will...
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you'll get a good grade.
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That's not
what this is about, Grammy.
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- Oh, it's not?
- No, this is way more.
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- This is...
- Oh, I know.
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- Kay.
- I love you.
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I love you too.
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The hardest thing for me
was to watch you
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have to go through all that,
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'cause you were 18
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and you had to act
like you were...
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21, 22, 23.
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That had to be
very, very hard, Maddie.
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The rest of us couldn't do it
for you.
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You had to do it.
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The vigil started
about a half hour ago
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with family and friends
gathering around.
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They lit candles
in her memory.
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They wanna keep it fresh
in the public's memory
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in case
somebody comes forward.
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It's just always that
unanswered question out there
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about your mom's murder.
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And it affects
the entire family.
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We believe if we continue
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to have these vigils
every year,
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that somewhere, someone,
they'll be able to come forward
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and help the police
solve the case.
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Conway interview, take one.
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Marker.
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Your mom was amazing.
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She was so smart.
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She had all the boys
wanting her.
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She was beautiful.
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And so many friends.
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So many friends.
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People just wanted
to be with Barb.
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She was a treasure.
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She was my baby sister.
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She was great fun
to be around.
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I can see her
coming up the stairs.
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Your mother had secrets,
so I don't know.
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She didn't share
all of her secrets with me.
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But I always knew
she had secrets
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that were...
That were dark secrets,
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because she had this way
of breathing and smiling
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that, to me, it was a coverup
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for something that was
very heavy in her heart.
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So I don't know what that was,
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but I just knew
there was something.
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Always knew
there was something.
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This is your world
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and the important people
in it.
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The people who will love you,
help you, and hinder you
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in your job of growing
to be a man.
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Let's start with your father
and mother.
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In a few days,
they take you home,
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and some
of the most important days
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of your life begin.
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Ran right to the dog.
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Well, you grew up
with a silver spoon, you know.
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You had everything
you needed, wanted.
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You lived
in a beautiful house.
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Then you had the house
in Connecticut
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that was a summer house
for a while.
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- Oh.
Uh-oh.
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- Whoa.
- Little sailor.
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Say "Thank you, Mommy."
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They tried to educate you,
send you to the best schools.
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There were nannies
and chauffeurs.
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- There's Daddy.
Ooh, there you go!
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Daddy.
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Getting ready for school.
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That's a nice outfit.
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Say bye-bye to Daddy.
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Your father was
a multi-multimillionaire.
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He was CEO
of Southern Electric.
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The Southern Company.
262
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You know, your mom was
wearing nicer clothes,
263
00:13:52,375 --> 00:13:54,166
and, you know, just...
264
00:13:54,249 --> 00:13:58,917
Things seemed simpler
for her financially.
265
00:13:58,999 --> 00:14:02,041
He seemed like
a really nice man.
266
00:14:03,583 --> 00:14:06,291
In the beginning, oh, God,
the day I met your father,
267
00:14:06,375 --> 00:14:08,625
he... I laughed so hard
I was crying.
268
00:14:08,708 --> 00:14:11,166
He was one
of the most charismatic,
269
00:14:11,249 --> 00:14:13,500
funny, intelligent people,
270
00:14:13,583 --> 00:14:15,333
and to your mother, he was...
271
00:14:15,416 --> 00:14:17,166
He was the knight
in shining armor.
272
00:14:17,249 --> 00:14:19,208
He was a prince.
273
00:14:22,416 --> 00:14:24,333
I think your mom thought
274
00:14:24,416 --> 00:14:27,500
and believed
in her heart of hearts
275
00:14:27,583 --> 00:14:30,750
that she married
the man of her dreams.
276
00:14:32,375 --> 00:14:35,875
She was head over heels
in love
277
00:14:35,999 --> 00:14:38,041
and felt like
278
00:14:38,124 --> 00:14:42,083
she was kinda living the dream.
279
00:14:43,124 --> 00:14:46,875
Hawaii and traveling the world
and...
280
00:14:46,958 --> 00:14:50,291
I think she really felt
this was wonderful.
281
00:14:51,291 --> 00:14:53,875
Whee!
282
00:14:53,958 --> 00:14:58,375
Smile for the camera
with your big tongue.
283
00:14:58,458 --> 00:15:00,249
- Nice Mommy.
- Hi.
284
00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:02,249
Having babies,
285
00:15:02,333 --> 00:15:04,875
she just came alive.
286
00:15:04,958 --> 00:15:07,375
What a beautiful boy!
287
00:15:07,458 --> 00:15:10,291
What a beautiful boy!
288
00:15:11,958 --> 00:15:14,750
I think that she thought,
"Wow, this is...
289
00:15:14,833 --> 00:15:17,124
"this is real.
290
00:15:17,208 --> 00:15:18,792
"This is valuable.
291
00:15:18,875 --> 00:15:20,583
This makes me important."
292
00:15:22,833 --> 00:15:24,113
I think she was
a great mother.
293
00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:25,583
I really do.
294
00:15:25,667 --> 00:15:28,083
I mean, if she could put up
with me, she was...
295
00:15:28,166 --> 00:15:30,541
Anyone that could put up
with me was a good mom.
296
00:15:30,625 --> 00:15:32,792
Maddie, you were not
a bad child.
297
00:15:32,875 --> 00:15:34,750
I don't know
where you get that.
298
00:15:34,833 --> 00:15:36,416
Do you like it?
299
00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:38,541
Is it good?
300
00:15:39,999 --> 00:15:41,359
I always knew
you'd be doing this
301
00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:43,249
because you were always
the little director.
302
00:15:43,333 --> 00:15:45,166
It was hysterical.
303
00:15:45,249 --> 00:15:46,708
You were the man
behind the camera.
304
00:15:46,792 --> 00:15:48,249
- That's it.
- That weird?
305
00:15:48,333 --> 00:15:50,083
It's... look at my teeth.
306
00:15:50,166 --> 00:15:51,917
I'm glad to see
you're doing it.
307
00:15:55,667 --> 00:15:57,500
They had you and Ali.
308
00:15:59,833 --> 00:16:03,958
So I think in the beginning,
it was very good.
309
00:16:04,041 --> 00:16:06,500
But, you know,
310
00:16:06,583 --> 00:16:09,291
stuff happens, right?
311
00:16:09,375 --> 00:16:12,083
Things change.
312
00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:15,249
Is the documentary about
Barbie being murdered,
313
00:16:15,333 --> 00:16:17,625
or is the documentary about
who Barbie was?
314
00:16:17,708 --> 00:16:19,458
- Who she was.
- Yeah?
315
00:16:19,541 --> 00:16:22,124
It's about...
I mean, that's a part...
316
00:16:22,208 --> 00:16:24,999
It's about her life,
and that is a part of her life,
317
00:16:25,083 --> 00:16:28,708
and then it's also
kind of about the family too.
318
00:16:38,249 --> 00:16:41,333
There she is.
319
00:16:41,416 --> 00:16:44,166
Purple on white.
320
00:16:44,249 --> 00:16:45,446
I don't know
what had turned,
321
00:16:45,458 --> 00:16:47,833
but something had turned.
322
00:16:47,917 --> 00:16:50,667
I remember looking at her
one time
323
00:16:50,750 --> 00:16:52,999
and she looked so different.
324
00:16:53,083 --> 00:16:57,375
She seemed... hurt.
325
00:16:57,458 --> 00:17:00,333
Like she was pretending.
326
00:17:00,416 --> 00:17:03,500
And I could tell that their
relationship was different.
327
00:17:03,583 --> 00:17:06,667
And then when we would visit,
Jeff wasn't even there.
328
00:17:06,750 --> 00:17:08,875
It was just visiting Barbie.
329
00:17:08,958 --> 00:17:12,291
And I didn't ask her about it.
I didn't talk about it.
330
00:17:12,375 --> 00:17:15,500
I'm sorry I didn't.
331
00:17:15,583 --> 00:17:18,208
I mean, she was living
such a privileged life
332
00:17:18,291 --> 00:17:19,375
when she met your father,
333
00:17:19,458 --> 00:17:23,375
and you guys were living
such a privileged life.
334
00:17:23,458 --> 00:17:26,083
- There's Daddy.
What a wonderful man.
335
00:17:26,166 --> 00:17:28,500
And a hard worker.
336
00:17:28,583 --> 00:17:31,208
But your dad got in trouble
337
00:17:31,291 --> 00:17:33,667
when he was working
at Southern Electric,
338
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:37,541
and they fired him
339
00:17:37,625 --> 00:17:41,792
for making an illegal deal
out of the country.
340
00:17:43,083 --> 00:17:44,875
But he took them to court,
341
00:17:44,958 --> 00:17:48,625
and he won $3.5 million,
I believe,
342
00:17:48,708 --> 00:17:50,625
for defamation of character.
343
00:17:57,625 --> 00:18:01,875
I think after what happened
at Southern,
344
00:18:01,958 --> 00:18:04,541
something changed him.
345
00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:08,249
Your mom always said that
that was such a blow to him.
346
00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,750
He was always trying
to prove himself
347
00:18:10,833 --> 00:18:12,458
by doing other ventures.
348
00:18:12,541 --> 00:18:15,667
And then when he started
to travel and not come home,
349
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:17,458
that's when the problems began
350
00:18:17,541 --> 00:18:21,249
because your mother was
left alone all the time.
351
00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:23,792
And she was feeling like
a single mother.
352
00:18:23,875 --> 00:18:27,833
And she was feeling as though
she had been deserted.
353
00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:32,166
Your dad pretty much
abandoned her.
354
00:18:33,166 --> 00:18:35,583
So she filed for divorce.
355
00:18:35,667 --> 00:18:37,708
That was really
a tough decision
356
00:18:37,792 --> 00:18:40,416
for her to make, you know?
357
00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:42,541
The anger
that your father had
358
00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:45,416
over your mother
ending the marriage came out
359
00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,249
in not supporting her
physically;
360
00:18:48,333 --> 00:18:50,999
Not giving child support,
not paying for the bills,
361
00:18:51,083 --> 00:18:54,333
not taking care
of any of the financial parts
362
00:18:54,416 --> 00:18:57,458
that he was
supposed to take care of.
363
00:18:57,541 --> 00:18:59,500
He just wanted
to impoverish her.
364
00:18:59,583 --> 00:19:01,625
It seemed like a goal
365
00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:04,458
that he had set for himself.
366
00:19:04,541 --> 00:19:06,750
And it was very sad
to see that all happen,
367
00:19:06,833 --> 00:19:09,625
because there are so many more
wonderful things to focus on
368
00:19:09,708 --> 00:19:12,458
than revenge and anger.
369
00:19:12,541 --> 00:19:15,124
- Bye-bye. I love you.
- Bye-bye.
370
00:19:15,208 --> 00:19:17,083
- Bye-bye.
- Bye-bye, Daddy.
371
00:19:18,875 --> 00:19:20,196
Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen.
372
00:19:20,208 --> 00:19:21,291
Welcome for coming tonight.
373
00:19:21,375 --> 00:19:22,416
Madison Police Department,
374
00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:23,696
with the Connecticut
State Police
375
00:19:23,708 --> 00:19:25,404
and the office
of the chief state's attorney
376
00:19:25,416 --> 00:19:26,792
from New Haven County.
377
00:19:26,875 --> 00:19:28,195
We're continuing
our investigation
378
00:19:28,249 --> 00:19:30,166
into the death
of Barbara Hamburg
379
00:19:30,249 --> 00:19:33,625
from Middle Beach Road West
in Madison.
380
00:19:33,708 --> 00:19:37,792
At this time,
we're seeking to locate
381
00:19:37,875 --> 00:19:40,333
her former husband,
Jeffrey Hamburg,
382
00:19:40,416 --> 00:19:42,583
date of birth 8/5/48.
383
00:19:42,667 --> 00:19:45,667
He's a white male,
6 feet tall with hazel eyes.
384
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:47,738
Last known address is in
West Hartford, Connecticut,
385
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:49,124
Timberwood Road.
386
00:19:49,208 --> 00:19:50,404
There's a statewide
manhunt on
387
00:19:50,416 --> 00:19:52,500
from Hartford to West Hartford,
even over to Windsor.
388
00:19:52,583 --> 00:19:53,780
We started off
in West Hartford.
389
00:19:53,792 --> 00:19:55,071
Take a look.
This is what we found.
390
00:19:55,083 --> 00:19:58,667
State police
at an affluent condo complex
391
00:19:58,750 --> 00:20:02,333
where the owner of record
is Jeffrey Hamburg.
392
00:20:02,416 --> 00:20:03,958
There were also
some detectives
393
00:20:04,041 --> 00:20:06,041
at an Alstrom
engineering plant,
394
00:20:06,124 --> 00:20:08,667
where they say Hamburg worked.
395
00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,154
They could not find him there
as well.
396
00:20:10,166 --> 00:20:11,404
Now, the neighbors
we talked to say
397
00:20:11,416 --> 00:20:13,416
Hamburg lives
in this condo complex.
398
00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,541
He's lived in this unit here
for about a year,
399
00:20:15,625 --> 00:20:18,333
though in that year time,
they've only seen him once.
400
00:20:18,416 --> 00:20:21,416
On his front doorstep,
the newspapers sit unread,
401
00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:23,166
and the people in the area
were surprised,
402
00:20:23,249 --> 00:20:25,375
especially when they saw
the state police come up
403
00:20:25,458 --> 00:20:27,667
and ring the front door
looking for him.
404
00:20:29,583 --> 00:20:32,208
Do you have any opinion
on who you...
405
00:20:32,291 --> 00:20:35,583
Who you think
could've done this?
406
00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:37,917
Well...
407
00:20:37,999 --> 00:20:40,875
It seems to me that your father
was in the position
408
00:20:40,958 --> 00:20:45,375
to lose the most if she lived,
409
00:20:45,458 --> 00:20:48,917
and that was the day
he was supposed to go to jail.
410
00:20:48,999 --> 00:20:51,458
Barbara Hamburg was to be
in court this morning
411
00:20:51,541 --> 00:20:53,875
with her ex-husband
Jeffrey Hamburg,
412
00:20:53,958 --> 00:20:56,583
but she never showed up
for that court hearing.
413
00:20:56,667 --> 00:20:58,750
The couple divorced in 2005,
414
00:20:58,833 --> 00:21:01,208
followed by years
of legal wrangling,
415
00:21:01,291 --> 00:21:04,124
and he owed
back child support.
416
00:21:04,208 --> 00:21:07,249
I mean, he had been
withholding money.
417
00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:09,750
From what Barb told me,
418
00:21:09,833 --> 00:21:12,249
she was going to throw him
in jail.
419
00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:15,041
Richard Callahan, attorney
for Barbara Hamburg's estate,
420
00:21:15,124 --> 00:21:17,875
says Jeff Hamburg has
cried broke for too long
421
00:21:17,958 --> 00:21:20,249
while living
a lavish lifestyle.
422
00:21:20,333 --> 00:21:22,875
- All right.
Take one.
423
00:21:22,958 --> 00:21:24,166
Marker.
424
00:21:24,249 --> 00:21:27,917
I'll tell you what I told
the state police that day.
425
00:21:27,999 --> 00:21:30,124
Your father had been ordered
426
00:21:30,208 --> 00:21:32,999
and had promised to make
certain payments.
427
00:21:33,083 --> 00:21:35,625
Either your dad showed up
with the money,
428
00:21:35,708 --> 00:21:38,124
or I'd be asking the court
429
00:21:38,208 --> 00:21:41,917
to find him in contempt
of the court's orders
430
00:21:41,999 --> 00:21:44,875
and incarcerate him
until he paid.
431
00:21:44,958 --> 00:21:46,792
How much did he owe
in total?
432
00:21:46,875 --> 00:21:49,124
$153,000 to your mother
433
00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:52,458
and $324,000
434
00:21:52,541 --> 00:21:54,416
to you and your sister.
435
00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:56,917
There was no question
he did not have the money
436
00:21:56,999 --> 00:21:58,458
on March 3rd.
437
00:21:58,541 --> 00:22:00,792
Police say Jeff Hamburg was
stealing money
438
00:22:00,875 --> 00:22:02,500
from his daughter's
college fund
439
00:22:02,583 --> 00:22:06,083
about four years after he
and his wife Barbara divorced.
440
00:22:06,166 --> 00:22:08,124
What time did court start
that day?
441
00:22:08,208 --> 00:22:09,667
9:30.
442
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:13,708
Normally, your mom's there
at 9:00, 9:15.
443
00:22:13,792 --> 00:22:15,541
What was
my dad's demeanor like?
444
00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:17,166
I don't know
whether I could say
445
00:22:17,249 --> 00:22:19,667
that there was a change
in his demeanor,
446
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:22,625
but there was no complaint
to me
447
00:22:22,708 --> 00:22:25,999
"from him or his lawyer
saying, "Where's your client?
448
00:22:26,083 --> 00:22:27,500
Why isn't she here?"
449
00:22:27,583 --> 00:22:30,500
And that is what struck me.
450
00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:33,833
But I should back up,
because...
451
00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:37,625
that suggests that I know
452
00:22:37,708 --> 00:22:40,667
that your father did something,
453
00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:42,166
which I do not know.
454
00:22:42,249 --> 00:22:43,708
He just was the prime suspect
455
00:22:43,792 --> 00:22:46,792
because of the circumstances
of that day.
456
00:22:50,083 --> 00:22:52,208
All parents have dreams.
457
00:22:52,291 --> 00:22:56,458
And they have definite ideas
of what they want you to be.
458
00:22:56,541 --> 00:23:00,166
It isn't easy with a father
who's never satisfied.
459
00:23:00,249 --> 00:23:01,999
Always wants you
a little different,
460
00:23:02,083 --> 00:23:03,958
a little better.
461
00:23:04,041 --> 00:23:07,208
More like his dream.
462
00:23:07,291 --> 00:23:09,208
From the time
that I met you,
463
00:23:09,291 --> 00:23:13,708
the relationship with your dad
was not good.
464
00:23:13,792 --> 00:23:17,083
You know, it was very...
465
00:23:17,166 --> 00:23:19,917
Controlling.
466
00:23:19,999 --> 00:23:21,375
I think you had
467
00:23:21,458 --> 00:23:23,375
a really close relationship
with your mom,
468
00:23:23,458 --> 00:23:27,875
probably closer
than most teenage boys.
469
00:23:27,958 --> 00:23:30,208
You were more like peers
in some ways,
470
00:23:30,291 --> 00:23:33,583
so you had a hard time
when she...
471
00:23:33,667 --> 00:23:36,667
tried to lay down the law
with you.
472
00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:39,708
You were using substances,
473
00:23:39,792 --> 00:23:43,708
and you were expelled
from school.
474
00:23:43,792 --> 00:23:45,583
Your dad got angry
475
00:23:45,667 --> 00:23:49,083
about a letter I had written
to the court
476
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:52,416
that stated
that you didn't wanna live...
477
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,917
Go to his house
478
00:23:54,999 --> 00:23:56,958
or spend time with him.
479
00:23:57,041 --> 00:24:00,416
He thought
that that was my opinion.
480
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:03,416
So once we clarified, really,
481
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:05,917
that I was stating something
482
00:24:05,999 --> 00:24:08,291
that you had stated,
483
00:24:08,375 --> 00:24:09,917
it was cleared up,
484
00:24:09,999 --> 00:24:13,333
but I got a subpoena
485
00:24:13,416 --> 00:24:16,041
from the law... from his lawyer.
486
00:24:16,124 --> 00:24:17,958
Yeah, I remember.
487
00:24:18,041 --> 00:24:20,458
He, like, freaked out.
488
00:24:20,541 --> 00:24:22,917
He, like, started,
like, attacking you, kinda.
489
00:24:22,999 --> 00:24:25,583
And then your mom called me
the next day.
490
00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:29,999
To tell me that you were
worried about me.
491
00:24:32,208 --> 00:24:36,249
That you didn't like the way
your dad was treating me.
492
00:24:36,333 --> 00:24:38,999
Can you talk about after?
493
00:24:39,083 --> 00:24:42,166
Like, the months
after the murder?
494
00:24:42,249 --> 00:24:44,124
You came to see me.
495
00:24:44,208 --> 00:24:47,833
You left school.
496
00:24:47,917 --> 00:24:50,291
And you came back to see me.
497
00:24:50,375 --> 00:24:53,249
Only for a few sessions though.
498
00:24:53,333 --> 00:24:56,958
Because, you know,
you were not in a place
499
00:24:57,041 --> 00:24:58,917
that you could function
in school.
500
00:24:58,999 --> 00:25:02,375
You were afraid
of, like, your own safety.
501
00:25:02,458 --> 00:25:04,541
And then shortly after,
502
00:25:04,625 --> 00:25:07,249
all communication
with your dad stopped.
503
00:25:09,999 --> 00:25:14,458
I knew that there were
things in your dad's history.
504
00:25:14,541 --> 00:25:16,583
- Hi.
Enough.
505
00:25:18,708 --> 00:25:20,833
Your mom told me
that he had been involved
506
00:25:20,917 --> 00:25:23,667
in something overseas.
507
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:25,541
He had, I don't know
how many passports.
508
00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:27,500
Five?
509
00:25:27,583 --> 00:25:29,708
So it was a surprise.
510
00:25:29,792 --> 00:25:32,291
You know, to go from the CEO
of Southern Electric
511
00:25:32,375 --> 00:25:37,375
to a life that few people
could begin to understand.
512
00:25:37,458 --> 00:25:39,166
Electric energy
into the future.
513
00:25:41,291 --> 00:25:43,375
Can you hear your daddy?
514
00:25:44,792 --> 00:25:46,708
Where's Daddy?
515
00:25:48,124 --> 00:25:50,249
Where's Daddy?
516
00:25:57,375 --> 00:25:59,041
A first look
at Jeffrey Hamburg
517
00:25:59,124 --> 00:26:01,416
as he walks to court
this morning with his lawyer.
518
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:03,249
This is his first
public appearance,
519
00:26:03,333 --> 00:26:05,375
at an alimony
and child support hearing,
520
00:26:05,458 --> 00:26:07,833
since his ex-wife
Barbara Beach-Hamburg
521
00:26:07,917 --> 00:26:10,208
was found murdered
earlier this month.
522
00:26:10,291 --> 00:26:11,750
The ex-husband has hired
523
00:26:11,833 --> 00:26:14,249
well-known criminal defense
lawyer Hugh Keefe...
524
00:26:14,333 --> 00:26:16,041
Lynch, Traube, Keefe,
& Errante handles
525
00:26:16,124 --> 00:26:17,625
all kinds of criminal cases;
526
00:26:17,708 --> 00:26:20,667
Murder, sexual assault,
kidnapping,
527
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:23,999
embezzlement, tax evasion,
conspiracies.
528
00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:26,124
Your father immediately got
an attorney
529
00:26:26,208 --> 00:26:28,792
so that he wouldn't have to go
to the police.
530
00:26:28,875 --> 00:26:30,315
If I thought
I had something to hide,
531
00:26:30,333 --> 00:26:33,583
I wouldn't be wanting to talk
to the police.
532
00:26:33,667 --> 00:26:36,583
Police.
533
00:26:36,667 --> 00:26:39,041
This is
a routine support hearing.
534
00:26:39,124 --> 00:26:40,804
There are more police officers
than lawyers
535
00:26:40,875 --> 00:26:42,458
in that courtroom today.
536
00:26:42,541 --> 00:26:44,625
The police, when they have
a situation like this,
537
00:26:44,708 --> 00:26:46,249
automatically look
538
00:26:46,333 --> 00:26:48,541
at the spouse or ex-spouse.
539
00:26:48,625 --> 00:26:50,249
The attorney
that your dad hired,
540
00:26:50,333 --> 00:26:53,249
people were afraid of him
in the courtroom.
541
00:26:53,333 --> 00:26:54,583
He's pretty masterful.
542
00:26:54,667 --> 00:26:56,708
Keefe says
Hamburg gave police
543
00:26:56,792 --> 00:26:59,708
a sample of his DNA and hair
last week.
544
00:26:59,792 --> 00:27:01,750
I assume
everything came back negative,
545
00:27:01,833 --> 00:27:03,291
or he would've been arrested.
546
00:27:03,375 --> 00:27:05,416
Also at today's
post-divorce hearing,
547
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:07,792
Barbara's sister,
Conway Beach.
548
00:27:07,875 --> 00:27:09,458
Have you spoken to Jeffrey
at all?
549
00:27:09,541 --> 00:27:12,958
No, I have not,
and that's all I have.
550
00:27:13,041 --> 00:27:15,124
Why do you think
the police haven't opened
551
00:27:15,208 --> 00:27:17,458
a case against my father
about the murder?
552
00:27:17,541 --> 00:27:19,583
I think the police were...
553
00:27:19,667 --> 00:27:21,196
Dropped the ball
on your mother's murder,
554
00:27:21,208 --> 00:27:22,792
if you want the truth.
555
00:27:25,458 --> 00:27:28,041
I mean, it's very difficult
to think of a small town
556
00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:32,500
like Madison
not being able to solve
557
00:27:32,583 --> 00:27:34,958
this egregious crime.
558
00:27:35,041 --> 00:27:36,166
It sounds like there was
559
00:27:36,249 --> 00:27:38,625
a sort of screw-up
or something with the DNA.
560
00:27:38,708 --> 00:27:40,208
I'm not really sure.
561
00:27:41,583 --> 00:27:44,583
We were asked as a family
to wait to run the DNA
562
00:27:44,667 --> 00:27:47,458
because apparently there was
a new DNA lab being built,
563
00:27:47,541 --> 00:27:50,166
and it was gonna be the best.
564
00:27:50,249 --> 00:27:52,208
Good afternoon,
ladies and gentlemen.
565
00:27:52,291 --> 00:27:54,208
It is a pleasure to be here
in Meriden
566
00:27:54,291 --> 00:27:56,333
to celebrate the groundbreaking
567
00:27:56,416 --> 00:27:59,124
for the state
forensic science laboratory.
568
00:27:59,208 --> 00:28:01,375
Connecticut is a known leader
569
00:28:01,458 --> 00:28:03,375
in the field
of forensic science,
570
00:28:03,458 --> 00:28:07,333
and this project will
reinforce this distinction.
571
00:28:07,416 --> 00:28:08,458
So we waited
572
00:28:08,541 --> 00:28:10,875
for this new DNA lab
to be built.
573
00:28:10,958 --> 00:28:14,333
We believe we are
the premiere laboratory
574
00:28:14,416 --> 00:28:16,541
in the United States
and in the world.
575
00:28:16,625 --> 00:28:20,999
They ran the DNA and...
576
00:28:21,083 --> 00:28:24,792
the DNA kit was faulty.
577
00:28:25,625 --> 00:28:28,500
And the difference
between verdicts of guilty
578
00:28:28,583 --> 00:28:32,333
and verdicts of not guilty
depends to a great extent
579
00:28:32,416 --> 00:28:35,999
upon the integrity
of a laboratory such as ours.
580
00:28:36,083 --> 00:28:37,875
Now, the state crime lab
is under
581
00:28:37,958 --> 00:28:39,708
some extra pressure right now
582
00:28:39,792 --> 00:28:42,999
because a recent audit
of its DNA processes
583
00:28:43,083 --> 00:28:44,750
came up with some problems,
584
00:28:44,833 --> 00:28:49,083
and its accreditation
also has expired.
585
00:28:49,166 --> 00:28:50,708
To be quite honest
with you, Madison,
586
00:28:50,792 --> 00:28:53,833
I don't even know
if there is any DNA left.
587
00:28:53,917 --> 00:28:56,458
And it scares the shit
out of me.
588
00:28:57,458 --> 00:28:59,708
After the medical examiner
finished,
589
00:28:59,792 --> 00:29:01,166
she was cremated.
590
00:29:01,249 --> 00:29:04,750
I mean,
that's a family tradition.
591
00:29:04,833 --> 00:29:06,208
Knowing what I know now,
592
00:29:06,291 --> 00:29:08,083
one should wait
a little longer
593
00:29:08,166 --> 00:29:11,541
until all evidence has been
collected properly
594
00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:13,041
before you cremate them,
595
00:29:13,124 --> 00:29:17,124
because DNA is
so important now.
596
00:29:24,458 --> 00:29:27,041
Yeah.
597
00:29:27,124 --> 00:29:29,333
Somebody's missing something.
598
00:29:32,166 --> 00:29:35,458
Cases can be solved
without DNA.
599
00:29:35,541 --> 00:29:36,917
There's been some scuttlebutt
600
00:29:36,999 --> 00:29:38,750
about the Madison
Police Department being
601
00:29:38,833 --> 00:29:40,416
less than ethical
602
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:44,166
that I think
needs to be investigated.
603
00:29:45,458 --> 00:29:46,696
As you know,
the state's attorney
604
00:29:46,708 --> 00:29:48,708
now investigating
the ongoings here
605
00:29:48,792 --> 00:29:50,208
at the Madison
Police Department.
606
00:29:50,291 --> 00:29:51,411
Instead of making arrests,
607
00:29:51,458 --> 00:29:54,291
two Madison police officers are
placed under arrest.
608
00:29:54,375 --> 00:29:56,625
Three police officers
have been fired.
609
00:29:56,708 --> 00:29:59,208
Officers were allegedly
meeting with prostitutes,
610
00:29:59,291 --> 00:30:02,124
frequenting strip clubs
and massage parlors,
611
00:30:02,208 --> 00:30:03,958
and establishing
a motorcycle gang.
612
00:30:04,041 --> 00:30:05,792
Conversation
at the coffee shop
613
00:30:05,875 --> 00:30:07,708
is often about bad cops.
614
00:30:07,792 --> 00:30:10,625
People here are tired
of the little bit of corruption
615
00:30:10,708 --> 00:30:12,958
that keeps cropping up
in the police department.
616
00:30:13,041 --> 00:30:15,458
Madison Police Officer is
stripped of his badge.
617
00:30:15,541 --> 00:30:18,166
Suspended and arrested
for abusing police data...
618
00:30:18,249 --> 00:30:20,500
Charged with stealing
seafood from a restaurant...
619
00:30:20,583 --> 00:30:24,625
Now accused of stealing
gasoline from the town pump.
620
00:30:24,708 --> 00:30:26,958
It's a concern
621
00:30:27,041 --> 00:30:30,124
when the people
that you trust to...
622
00:30:30,208 --> 00:30:31,750
to take care of things
623
00:30:31,833 --> 00:30:34,833
are less than honest
themselves.
624
00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:36,333
I have no proof of that.
625
00:30:36,416 --> 00:30:39,166
Only a lot of...
626
00:30:39,249 --> 00:30:40,750
concern.
627
00:30:43,625 --> 00:30:45,958
This is the town
you will grow up in.
628
00:30:46,041 --> 00:30:47,792
A nice, warm world.
629
00:30:47,875 --> 00:30:50,458
A happy, secure community.
630
00:30:50,541 --> 00:30:52,708
An atmosphere
that prepares you
631
00:30:52,792 --> 00:30:55,166
to find your place
in the world with confidence
632
00:30:55,249 --> 00:30:57,416
and the best use
of your abilities.
633
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:10,416
- Hey.
It's Madison.
634
00:31:12,124 --> 00:31:14,333
I told you before
I'm doing a documentary
635
00:31:14,416 --> 00:31:18,208
on my mother for a class.
636
00:31:18,291 --> 00:31:20,875
And I was just seeing
637
00:31:20,958 --> 00:31:22,708
if there was any way
I could get
638
00:31:22,792 --> 00:31:24,541
an interview with someone
639
00:31:24,625 --> 00:31:28,249
just about... just to go over,
like, what the crime scene...
640
00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:32,041
Or something that I can use
for my documentary.
641
00:31:32,124 --> 00:31:33,124
Um...
642
00:31:37,833 --> 00:31:38,999
Okay.
643
00:31:44,917 --> 00:31:46,124
Right.
644
00:32:03,041 --> 00:32:04,291
Okay.
645
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:14,917
- Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely.
646
00:32:15,958 --> 00:32:18,124
Okay.
647
00:32:18,208 --> 00:32:19,958
He doesn't know
if we can do an interview,
648
00:32:20,041 --> 00:32:23,083
but, like, what if, um...
649
00:32:23,166 --> 00:32:26,792
I'm going in for questioning
on Friday.
650
00:32:26,875 --> 00:32:30,124
What if I, like, brought in
a recorder?
651
00:32:30,208 --> 00:32:32,083
Risky.
652
00:32:32,166 --> 00:32:34,458
Well, I could record it
with my phone.
653
00:32:34,541 --> 00:32:37,249
Risky.
654
00:32:37,333 --> 00:32:38,999
It'd be worth it.
655
00:32:39,083 --> 00:32:40,083
Yeah, it would.
656
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:42,750
See what kinda questions
they're asking you.
657
00:32:50,999 --> 00:32:55,416
Madison, what brings us
to the police station today?
658
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:59,083
I am about
to get interrogated.
659
00:33:00,917 --> 00:33:02,958
It's just one
of the many things
660
00:33:03,041 --> 00:33:05,833
that I have to put up with
661
00:33:05,917 --> 00:33:08,750
since someone...
662
00:33:08,833 --> 00:33:11,208
came and killed my mother.
663
00:33:22,792 --> 00:33:23,833
Hi. Can I help you?
664
00:33:23,917 --> 00:33:26,166
Hey, I'm here to see
Detective Mulhern.
665
00:33:26,249 --> 00:33:28,041
- Your name, please?
- Madison.
666
00:33:28,124 --> 00:33:29,833
- Madison?
- Yeah.
667
00:33:29,917 --> 00:33:31,458
Is that your last name
or first name?
668
00:33:31,541 --> 00:33:32,987
- It's my first name.
- And your last name?
669
00:33:32,999 --> 00:33:34,208
Hamburg.
670
00:33:34,291 --> 00:33:35,851
Okay, I'll tell them
that you're here.
671
00:33:35,917 --> 00:33:37,083
Okay. Thank you.
672
00:33:43,249 --> 00:33:45,875
I don't even know if I'm,
like, prepared for this.
673
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:05,500
Mm-hmm.
674
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:11,500
Uh, good.
675
00:37:11,583 --> 00:37:12,875
I mean...
676
00:37:12,958 --> 00:37:15,333
they don't wanna
give us anything,
677
00:37:15,416 --> 00:37:18,249
but they want the doc.
678
00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:20,708
They want, like,
all of our files.
679
00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:23,208
What would it help them?
680
00:37:23,291 --> 00:37:26,750
They think that, like,
people would tell us things
681
00:37:26,833 --> 00:37:29,083
in interviews
that they wouldn't tell them.
682
00:37:37,999 --> 00:37:41,249
- Hey. How's it going?
- Hey. What's going on?
683
00:37:41,333 --> 00:37:43,917
Nothing, I just gotta
catch up with you, that's all.
684
00:37:43,999 --> 00:37:45,249
Yeah.
685
00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:46,750
I wanted to ask
686
00:37:46,833 --> 00:37:50,375
if you talked
to your attorney again.
687
00:37:50,458 --> 00:37:52,208
Yeah, I can't.
688
00:37:52,291 --> 00:37:54,583
I can't.
There's no way.
689
00:37:54,667 --> 00:37:55,667
Sorry about that.
690
00:37:55,708 --> 00:37:59,041
What's, like, the main reason
you can't...
691
00:37:59,124 --> 00:38:00,446
Madison,
I just can't discuss it.
692
00:38:00,458 --> 00:38:04,041
It's just...
It's a unqualified no, so...
693
00:38:05,708 --> 00:38:08,792
Dad, can, like, I ask you
some questions?
694
00:38:08,875 --> 00:38:10,124
No. No.
695
00:38:10,208 --> 00:38:11,917
No, let's just leave it
at that.
696
00:38:11,999 --> 00:38:14,750
I just wanna know why...
697
00:38:14,833 --> 00:38:17,124
Why that I can't...
698
00:38:17,208 --> 00:38:19,291
Why you can't even just talk
to me.
699
00:38:19,375 --> 00:38:20,833
I know
you wanna know answers,
700
00:38:20,917 --> 00:38:23,917
and I know you wanna know
about your mom
701
00:38:23,999 --> 00:38:26,291
and her life
and all that stuff.
702
00:38:26,375 --> 00:38:28,416
I just... it's just not...
703
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:31,166
Maybe in years ahead,
we can have this conversation,
704
00:38:31,249 --> 00:38:32,416
but not now.
705
00:38:41,041 --> 00:38:44,249
I just don't think
that's fair.
706
00:38:44,333 --> 00:38:47,041
- Yeah.
A lot of things aren't fair.
707
00:38:48,041 --> 00:38:49,875
I'm sorry.
708
00:38:49,958 --> 00:38:51,792
I don't think
that you're sorry.
709
00:38:51,875 --> 00:38:55,041
Okay, well, you can
believe me or not believe me.
710
00:38:55,124 --> 00:38:56,291
It's your choice.
711
00:39:03,416 --> 00:39:05,583
Do you want this case
to get solved?
712
00:39:05,667 --> 00:39:07,583
Madison,
I'm not going to answer
713
00:39:07,667 --> 00:39:09,458
any more questions about it.
714
00:39:09,541 --> 00:39:10,696
At this point...
At this point...
715
00:39:10,708 --> 00:39:12,625
As far as I'm concerned,
I cannot answer any...
716
00:39:12,708 --> 00:39:14,667
Madison, I can't answer
any more questions.
717
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:17,750
At this point, I honestly,
in my honest opinion,
718
00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:20,792
don't know if you want
this case to be solved.
719
00:39:22,041 --> 00:39:25,999
If... I don't know if you care
more about covering yourself
720
00:39:26,083 --> 00:39:28,958
than this case being solved,
which doesn't make any sense,
721
00:39:29,041 --> 00:39:31,958
'cause if this case is solved
and if you're innocent...
722
00:39:32,041 --> 00:39:34,083
- I have nothing to add.
I have nothing to add.
723
00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:36,333
I have no knowledge
of your mother's life,
724
00:39:36,416 --> 00:39:38,541
uh, really.
725
00:39:38,625 --> 00:39:40,667
You were married to her
for 13 years.
726
00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:43,112
- Well, yeah, but I have no...
- And you were dealing with...
727
00:39:43,124 --> 00:39:45,124
I have no...
I don't know anything.
728
00:39:45,208 --> 00:39:48,416
How do you expect me
to trust you?
729
00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:52,833
Madison, that's a decision
you have to make.
730
00:39:52,917 --> 00:39:54,041
- Is it?
Is it?
731
00:39:54,124 --> 00:39:57,541
It's a decision
based on your secrecy.
732
00:39:57,625 --> 00:39:59,154
Madison, it's a decision...
It's a decision
733
00:39:59,166 --> 00:40:00,083
that you have to make.
734
00:40:00,166 --> 00:40:01,686
I would hope
that you would understand,
735
00:40:01,708 --> 00:40:04,333
but if you don't, you don't.
736
00:40:04,416 --> 00:40:05,613
I mean, that's your decision.
737
00:40:05,625 --> 00:40:10,041
Maybe one day, you'll get
the courage together to...
738
00:40:10,124 --> 00:40:12,875
to face this stuff
and change something,
739
00:40:12,958 --> 00:40:15,583
but until then, that's...
740
00:40:15,667 --> 00:40:17,792
You're gonna stay
in the same spot.
741
00:40:17,875 --> 00:40:21,375
Because that's... you are
one of the main pieces
742
00:40:21,458 --> 00:40:23,375
that's stopping everything.
743
00:40:31,958 --> 00:40:33,541
I guess that I gotta...
744
00:40:33,625 --> 00:40:36,249
I have other things
I gotta do today.
745
00:40:36,333 --> 00:40:37,833
Okay.
746
00:40:37,917 --> 00:40:39,875
- All right.
- Yeah. Bye.
747
00:40:39,958 --> 00:40:41,083
Bye.
748
00:40:48,041 --> 00:40:49,667
I tried.
I mean...
749
00:40:55,999 --> 00:40:58,750
He doesn't wanna...
750
00:40:58,833 --> 00:41:00,416
doesn't wanna help.
751
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:03,750
Doesn't want anything
to change.
752
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:25,500
This is where I found
my sister murdered.
753
00:41:27,917 --> 00:41:29,667
He's here, Barbie.
754
00:41:35,875 --> 00:41:37,999
I guess all I wanna say is
I love you.
755
00:41:38,083 --> 00:41:39,333
Mm.
756
00:41:42,541 --> 00:41:44,625
And I'm gonna do
whatever I can
757
00:41:44,708 --> 00:41:46,625
to find out
what happened to you.
758
00:42:03,583 --> 00:42:07,833
My mom's been dead
for six years.
759
00:42:07,917 --> 00:42:10,667
Nothing's happened
with the case.
760
00:42:10,750 --> 00:42:12,083
I thought it would hold me back
761
00:42:12,166 --> 00:42:13,667
from, you know,
my immediate goals.
762
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:15,958
I was wrapped up with school.
763
00:42:16,041 --> 00:42:18,249
We were kinda waiting for...
764
00:42:21,416 --> 00:42:23,333
Like, some sort of...
Someone to come forward.
765
00:42:23,416 --> 00:42:25,458
Some sort of momentum.
766
00:42:27,667 --> 00:42:29,541
And I feel like
if I don't do it,
767
00:42:29,625 --> 00:42:31,833
that if I don't cause,
768
00:42:31,917 --> 00:42:36,208
like, a reason
for people to notice,
769
00:42:36,291 --> 00:42:38,291
it's just gonna stay
what it is.
770
00:42:42,083 --> 00:42:43,333
To go back?
771
00:42:45,458 --> 00:42:47,333
I don't think
I can ever be prepared
772
00:42:47,416 --> 00:42:50,750
to fully go back
to that place.
773
00:42:50,833 --> 00:42:54,625
But I feel like
this is a second chance
774
00:42:54,708 --> 00:42:57,999
to actually face
what was happening
775
00:42:58,083 --> 00:43:00,583
and not run away from it
like I was.
776
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:16,416
We have to figure out
where I'm gonna walk.
777
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:17,980
Where do you think
he would walk to?
778
00:43:18,041 --> 00:43:19,750
- Back to the subway.
- Back to the subway?
779
00:43:19,833 --> 00:43:21,208
So you should walk
the other way.
780
00:43:21,291 --> 00:43:23,249
So he can't
follow you anywhere.
781
00:43:23,333 --> 00:43:24,541
Yeah.
782
00:43:24,625 --> 00:43:26,750
When was the last time
you guys saw each other?
783
00:43:26,833 --> 00:43:28,917
Like, I honestly
can't remember.
784
00:43:28,999 --> 00:43:30,917
So we're here.
785
00:43:30,999 --> 00:43:32,446
The restaurant
that they're meeting in
786
00:43:32,458 --> 00:43:34,458
is across the street
over there,
787
00:43:34,541 --> 00:43:37,750
probably, I don't know,
788
00:43:37,833 --> 00:43:40,291
30 yards away.
789
00:43:40,375 --> 00:43:43,708
Loop it, and then you could
tape it somewhere if you want.
790
00:43:43,792 --> 00:43:44,792
Talk.
791
00:43:44,833 --> 00:43:47,166
Hello, hello, hello.
792
00:43:49,917 --> 00:43:52,958
I can't fucking...
793
00:43:53,041 --> 00:43:55,500
Okay, I'll give him this.
794
00:43:55,583 --> 00:43:56,958
Kay.
795
00:44:01,208 --> 00:44:02,625
Oh.
796
00:44:02,708 --> 00:44:04,291
Sorry.
797
00:44:04,375 --> 00:44:05,833
How are you feeling, Madison?
798
00:44:05,917 --> 00:44:07,917
Pretty... pretty weird.
799
00:44:14,458 --> 00:44:15,792
- There he is.
There he is.
800
00:44:15,875 --> 00:44:17,249
Shh.
801
00:47:29,917 --> 00:47:32,917
Okay.
802
00:47:40,541 --> 00:47:42,166
That was really stressful
for me,
803
00:47:42,249 --> 00:47:44,667
and I felt it
leading up to it,
804
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:46,958
and that entire time,
my heart was racing.
805
00:47:51,416 --> 00:47:53,124
- Are we rolling?
- Yep.
806
00:47:53,208 --> 00:47:54,833
Yes.
807
00:47:54,917 --> 00:47:58,208
I'd never had a beer
with my dad.
808
00:47:58,291 --> 00:47:59,750
First time.
809
00:48:03,208 --> 00:48:04,500
I wanna show you something.
810
00:48:06,667 --> 00:48:07,999
This is my, like,
811
00:48:08,083 --> 00:48:11,541
memories thing.
812
00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:15,833
This is pretty much
what I have left.
813
00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:20,416
Wait, what's that from?
814
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:22,124
The crematorium.
815
00:48:30,291 --> 00:48:31,583
It's weird,
816
00:48:31,667 --> 00:48:35,249
like, thinking about someone
so close to you
817
00:48:35,333 --> 00:48:37,792
as, like, remains.
818
00:48:42,333 --> 00:48:44,083
It's a piece of history,
I guess.
819
00:48:44,166 --> 00:48:45,750
From my history.
820
00:48:55,667 --> 00:48:58,667
I got you.
821
00:49:00,375 --> 00:49:03,750
After the funeral,
I had this dream.
822
00:49:03,833 --> 00:49:05,917
I was at this dinner,
823
00:49:05,999 --> 00:49:08,416
and I'm looking at this woman,
824
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:11,958
and I realize that's my mom.
825
00:49:12,041 --> 00:49:14,416
And her hair is long
826
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:18,708
and I'm like,
"Mom, you're beautiful."
827
00:49:18,792 --> 00:49:21,958
And she's just like,
828
00:49:22,041 --> 00:49:25,750
"Your hair keeps growing
after you die."
829
00:49:28,708 --> 00:49:30,792
The only regret
I think I could ever have...
830
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,124
She came down to visit
and I went on a date
831
00:49:35,208 --> 00:49:38,083
instead of seeing her.
832
00:49:38,166 --> 00:49:39,333
She came down to see me.
833
00:49:39,416 --> 00:49:41,958
She came down
on Valentine's Day.
834
00:49:42,041 --> 00:49:43,124
This one's to Maddie.
835
00:49:43,208 --> 00:49:44,917
Aww.
836
00:49:44,999 --> 00:49:46,999
Happy first Valentine.
837
00:49:47,083 --> 00:49:48,458
Is that pretty?
838
00:49:48,541 --> 00:49:50,291
It's a heart.
839
00:49:50,375 --> 00:49:52,458
I talked to her
the night before.
840
00:49:56,041 --> 00:49:59,291
And I told her I loved her
and that I was sorry
841
00:49:59,375 --> 00:50:01,917
about Valentine's Day.
842
00:50:04,083 --> 00:50:08,667
How could... you know,
how could I talk to her,
843
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:11,750
and within hours...
844
00:50:14,917 --> 00:50:16,541
She's murdered?
845
00:50:24,875 --> 00:50:27,333
Growing up,
846
00:50:27,416 --> 00:50:30,041
your parents are your heroes.
847
00:50:30,124 --> 00:50:32,083
My mother was a superhero.
848
00:50:33,458 --> 00:50:36,625
When people get to adulthood,
849
00:50:36,708 --> 00:50:39,333
they get to meet their parents
850
00:50:39,416 --> 00:50:41,667
as human beings,
851
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:44,249
and I didn't have that.
852
00:50:45,792 --> 00:50:47,583
I need to meet that person.
853
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:51,875
And this is the only way
to do that.
854
00:51:00,625 --> 00:51:02,333
So many baseball cards.
855
00:51:07,667 --> 00:51:08,541
Hey.
856
00:51:08,625 --> 00:51:09,750
How's it going?
857
00:51:09,833 --> 00:51:10,875
Okay.
858
00:51:10,958 --> 00:51:13,333
I'd like to hear from you
more often.
859
00:51:13,416 --> 00:51:15,208
Do you get worried about me
or something?
860
00:51:15,291 --> 00:51:18,041
- Yeah, of course I do.
You're my son.
861
00:51:18,124 --> 00:51:20,166
I'm worried about you.
862
00:51:20,249 --> 00:51:22,291
I'm even worried
about your sister.
863
00:51:22,375 --> 00:51:24,375
I never stopped loving her.
864
00:51:24,458 --> 00:51:26,375
Still my daughter.
865
00:51:26,458 --> 00:51:29,541
The past six years have been
so crazy
866
00:51:29,625 --> 00:51:31,917
that, like, I wish
I could just
867
00:51:31,999 --> 00:51:33,291
do something about it.
868
00:51:33,375 --> 00:51:35,625
I just don't know
what that is, you know?
869
00:51:35,708 --> 00:51:37,708
Well, you're old enough
to realize
870
00:51:37,792 --> 00:51:39,958
that there really are
two sides to the story.
871
00:51:40,041 --> 00:51:42,625
Mom's side of the family
were... blame somebody,
872
00:51:42,708 --> 00:51:44,541
so they're probably trying
to blame me.
873
00:51:44,625 --> 00:51:46,541
But that doesn't fit
the facts.
874
00:51:46,625 --> 00:51:48,625
I wasn't there.
875
00:51:48,708 --> 00:51:50,588
You can't get an answer
if you don't have people
876
00:51:50,667 --> 00:51:52,999
looking in the right places.
877
00:51:53,083 --> 00:51:54,917
They're not looking
internally,
878
00:51:54,999 --> 00:51:58,249
to Jill and to Conway.
879
00:51:58,333 --> 00:51:59,946
I know your aunts have been
very good to you,
880
00:51:59,958 --> 00:52:03,541
but they were both involved
in the other possibility.
881
00:52:03,625 --> 00:52:05,416
Women's gifting circles.
882
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,416
- Gifting tables...
- Gifting circle...
883
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:09,667
They're what prosecutors
nationwide have called
884
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:12,458
a pyramid scheme.
885
00:52:12,541 --> 00:52:14,375
Your aunt Jill, to me,
gets a lot
886
00:52:14,458 --> 00:52:16,208
of the potential blame here,
887
00:52:16,291 --> 00:52:17,917
'cause she got your mother
into it,
888
00:52:17,999 --> 00:52:19,667
and your mother was in it
in a big way
889
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:20,792
as a leader.
890
00:52:20,875 --> 00:52:23,124
Two women found guilty
back in February
891
00:52:23,208 --> 00:52:24,124
of running the table,
892
00:52:24,208 --> 00:52:25,792
55-year-old Donna Bello
893
00:52:25,875 --> 00:52:28,500
and 64-year-old Jill Platt
of Guilford.
894
00:52:28,583 --> 00:52:31,041
Now these women are charged
with federal wire fraud
895
00:52:31,124 --> 00:52:33,458
and filing false tax returns.
896
00:52:33,541 --> 00:52:34,917
What's the motive?
897
00:52:34,999 --> 00:52:36,333
Money.
898
00:52:36,416 --> 00:52:41,291
Losses to victims totaled
more than $1 million.
899
00:52:41,375 --> 00:52:43,249
Somebody was threatening
your mom.
900
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:44,655
And the way
that police handled it,
901
00:52:44,667 --> 00:52:46,124
it was just awful.
902
00:52:46,208 --> 00:52:48,667
New evidence came up
and they just ignored it.
903
00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:50,071
Anyway, I don't wanna talk
about it,
904
00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:51,946
'cause she... it'll be
disparaging about your mother,
905
00:52:51,958 --> 00:52:53,571
and I don't wanna talk ill
about the dead.
906
00:52:53,583 --> 00:52:54,999
But all I know is that it's...
907
00:52:55,083 --> 00:52:56,083
It ruined my life
908
00:52:56,124 --> 00:52:59,792
and continuing
to ruin my life.
909
00:53:00,917 --> 00:53:03,166
I wish there was something
910
00:53:03,249 --> 00:53:05,708
to do about it.
911
00:53:05,792 --> 00:53:08,541
At the end of the day,
there's nothing you can do.
912
00:53:08,625 --> 00:53:09,999
We're not investigators.
913
00:53:12,792 --> 00:53:14,708
Why would someone wanna kill
my mom?
914
00:53:14,792 --> 00:53:17,667
- I don't know.
The body was covered.
915
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:21,208
And usually, that shows remorse
by the person who did this.
916
00:53:21,291 --> 00:53:23,500
You know, we don't want anybody
to see this.
917
00:53:23,583 --> 00:53:27,375
I see that as something
very personal.
918
00:53:27,458 --> 00:53:29,833
Could the murderer be
someone that we...
919
00:53:29,917 --> 00:53:30,999
It could be any of us
920
00:53:31,083 --> 00:53:33,208
that you're talking to
right now.
921
00:53:33,291 --> 00:53:36,541
Maybe whoever you speak to
922
00:53:36,625 --> 00:53:38,750
might get a conscience
923
00:53:38,833 --> 00:53:40,416
and maybe come out with it,
924
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:42,458
'cause they've been sick
of living with it.
925
00:53:42,541 --> 00:53:44,166
Who knows?
926
00:53:44,249 --> 00:53:46,124
Anything is possible.
927
00:53:47,708 --> 00:53:49,999
Somebody somewhere
928
00:53:50,083 --> 00:53:52,458
knows something.
929
00:53:59,458 --> 00:54:01,999
You got the ball?
930
00:54:02,083 --> 00:54:04,667
Yeah.
931
00:54:04,750 --> 00:54:05,667
- Here.
- Ball?
932
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:07,249
- Here.
- Red ball?
933
00:54:07,333 --> 00:54:09,333
- Yep.
Ali.
934
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:15,124
Madison got on the ball.
935
00:54:16,999 --> 00:54:19,750
And?
936
00:54:19,833 --> 00:54:22,291
Nice throw, Maddie.
937
00:54:22,375 --> 00:54:25,583
Can you give the ball to Mom?
You wanna play?
938
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,083
Flowers?
939
00:54:44,166 --> 00:54:45,583
You gonna get the flowers?
940
00:54:45,667 --> 00:54:46,792
Okay.
941
00:54:46,875 --> 00:54:49,416
Get the flowers.
942
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:50,917
Oh.
943
00:54:50,999 --> 00:54:52,708
Aww.
944
00:54:52,792 --> 00:54:54,792
Pretty flowers.
945
00:54:57,208 --> 00:54:58,625
Madison got on the ball.
946
00:55:00,708 --> 00:55:03,667
And?
947
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:07,416
Nice throw, Maddie.
948
00:55:33,833 --> 00:55:34,987
I hope
I'm not disturbing you
949
00:55:34,999 --> 00:55:36,029
with any of the questions.
950
00:55:36,041 --> 00:55:37,667
No.
I mean, I don't wanna be
951
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:39,583
the one to drop the bombs here,
you know?
952
00:55:40,291 --> 00:55:41,917
I'm ready for bombs.
953
00:55:43,667 --> 00:55:45,999
The focus should be,
was there something else
954
00:55:46,083 --> 00:55:47,083
going on?
955
00:55:47,208 --> 00:55:48,750
Is there something
that we're missing?
956
00:55:49,083 --> 00:55:52,124
With the gifting tables, you
joined with a 5,000 dollar gift.
957
00:55:52,792 --> 00:55:55,667
The gifting table was
a pyramid scheme.
958
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:57,041
It got out of control.
959
00:55:57,625 --> 00:56:00,667
Some people can get to a point
where they can snap.
960
00:56:00,917 --> 00:56:02,625
You
and my mother witnessed
961
00:56:02,708 --> 00:56:05,999
a man wearing a ski mask
walk though our yard?
962
00:56:06,083 --> 00:56:08,416
It was the day before
she was murdered.
963
00:56:09,208 --> 00:56:10,291
Oh my god.
963
00:56:11,305 --> 00:57:11,745
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