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He was shot minutes before
we walked in the door,
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which is scary.
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What would have happened
if we were there?
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Narrator: A vicious murder.
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It was obvious whoever wanted
to kill him was very angry
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because they probably could
have shot him once or twice,
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but they had emptied
the magazine into him.
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Narrator: A dark mystery
with multiple suspects.
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Colwell: You know,
they just didn't get along.
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They were fighting
all the time.
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Slaman: Maybe
an argument took place.
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Maybe a disagreement
took place.
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Colwell: He said, you know,
"hey, what are you looking at?
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You're staring at me,"
and he pulled out a gun.
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Narrator:
The truth will be revealed.
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Colwell: We know that that
last phone call actually
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came from after John was
already found dead,
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so I think that phone call
came from the guy
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that killed him.
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Narrator:
Every day in North America,
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dozens of people are murdered.
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The key to solving
the toughest of these homicides
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lies in the final 24 hours
of the victim's life.
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To crack the case,
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detectives must reconstruct
that critical timeline,
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the minutes and hours
containing evidence
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that can help unlock
the mystery
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and catch the killer.
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Sylvania township,
a quaint, close-knit town
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bordering Toledo, Ohio.
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Slaman:
People are happy out here.
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In christmastime, the
neighborhoods are all lit up.
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You can tell the festivities
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for the holidays
are coming around.
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Every neighborhood tries to
outdo the next neighborhood.
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Colwell: We've always been
fairly lucky --
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we haven't had
that many homicides.
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Probably the majority
of calls that
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we get are
domestic violences,
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and we get a lot of
burglary calls.
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Narrator:
But on a quiet afternoon,
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just ten days before Christmas,
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two young girls make
a grisly discovery.
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Alessandrini: I was 13,
and my sister Nicole was 12.
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We were both in the same
school at the time.
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We were the last kids
off the bus,
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and we got home -- our dad's
car's in the driveway.
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I thought,
"I forgot my keys in the house,
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and thank god dad's home."
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So we try to, you know,
walk in the front door.
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The front door is locked.
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Okay, maybe he's napping.
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Knock on the door.
Nothing.
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I go to the backdoor.
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Still no answer.
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We look inside,
try to see what was going on.
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My sister Nicole says,
"dad's on the floor."
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I was like, "what do you mean
he's on the floor?"
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She goes, "dad's on the floor.
He's not moving."
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There's a front window
on the house.
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There wasn't a lock on it,
so I pushed the window open
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and got my sister inside.
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She unlocked the front door
and we looked at our dad.
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He wasn't breathing.
He was blue.
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At first, we thought he actually
had committed suicide.
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I dialed 911.
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911, what's your emergency?
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Alessandrini:
I was scared.
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I didn't know
what was going on.
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The 911 operator told US
we needed to go outside,
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because, of course, she doesn't
know what's going on.
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And within minutes,
we had police officers
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in our driveway.
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Narrator:
Veteran homicide detectives
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Todd slaman
and Robert colwell
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are called to the scene
to investigate.
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Colwell:
When the 911 call came in,
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I was actually sitting
in my office
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in the detective bureau,
and,
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originally, I was told by
the dispatcher that there was
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a possible suicide.
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And then shortly after that,
there was an update
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possibly that this
was a homicide.
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So that led US to believe
that this
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was not gonna be standard,
regular investigation.
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When we first arrived
on the scene, Mr. Riebe
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was laying there
on the floor.
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He was on his side,
face down.
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There was a guitar that was
laying there by the body,
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so you could tell this was not
a suicide.
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He was shot seven times.
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He had several bullet wounds,
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some of the wounds hit
his shoulder,
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one wound hit his hip,
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but the wound that really
killed him
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had hit him directly
right in the heart.
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Slaman:
This crime stood out.
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That John riebe was shot
this many times
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in the middle of the daytime,
that stood out.
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There was the violence of it.
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Arntfield: When we see
someone shot seven times,
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this is overkill.
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Many firearms actually
only have
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a magazine that will hold
six or seven rounds,
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so someone literally
emptied a gun into this man.
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That is not a restrained,
tactical murder.
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That is a rage murder.
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Narrator: John riebe was
a 39-year-old
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single father taking care
of his two daughters.
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My dad was the normal,
you know, guy.
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Loved football.
He was a bowler.
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He golfed.
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He was
very family-oriented.
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He loved spending time
with US,
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doing things with
my sister and I.
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He was a great guy.
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He met my mom
at a gas station,
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and he said, "nice truck."
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And they swapped numbers,
and then they dated
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about five years
before they got married,
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and then I was born three
years later, and my sister
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15 months after that.
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It was more him doing
everything for US.
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My mom wasn't in the picture
as much as she should have been.
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My dad just
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finally said, "enough is
enough," and, "leave,
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and I'll raise
the kids myself."
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Narrator:
John was self-employed as
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a heating and air
conditioning installer.
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Money was tight,
but he did everything
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he could to provide
for his daughters.
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Alessandrini:
My dad loved Christmas.
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We were supposed to go get
a Christmas tree that night.
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Our house was actually
a pretty small house,
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but every year,
my dad always got
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the biggest, bushiest tree
that he could find.
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He would get up
in the morning
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and cook breakfast --
like, a big breakfast.
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Always said,
"breakfast before presents."
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It was awesome.
He loved it.
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When they told US
that he was shot,
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I was shocked, like,
"what do you mean?
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No, that can't be possible.
Who would do it?"
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And, you know, I just
wanted to know why
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somebody would do that
to my dad.
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Narrator:
To find John riebe's killer,
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detectives must unravel
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the last 24 hours
of his life,
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beginning with
the crime scene.
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Slaman: We started processing
the scene, and,
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we found casings
on the floor,
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gunshot casings.
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The casings have
the caliber of
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the gun on the back
of the casings.
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Colwell: It was a 380
semi-automatic weapon.
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They're small guns
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you could just carry
in your pocket,
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so we knew what kind of gun
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we were looking for
at that point in time.
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Narrator:
When they scour the house,
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police don't locate the gun,
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but they do make some
important discoveries.
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Slaman: There was no sign of
a struggle.
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John was -- we're assuming
he was playing the guitar.
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He was probably sitting,
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so John may have not known
it was coming,
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and there was no signs
of any forced entry,
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so we believe whoever
shot John riebe,
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John riebe may have known.
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At the scene, the blood that
was on the body was not dry,
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and his body was still
somewhat limber.
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The flesh was still soft.
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That led US to believe
the crime was fairly recent.
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It definitely happened in
the last couple of hours.
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Narrator: Detectives talk
to John's daughters,
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hoping to pin down
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his final movements in
the hours before his murder.
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That day,
my sister and I,
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we got up for school
and, you know,
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the normal,
brush your teeth, eat.
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You know, dad was saying,
"grab your backpack.
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Don't miss the bus."
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He told US,
"I'm going to work.
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I should be home
when you guys get home."
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We said, "okay,
have a good day."
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Reiter: After school let out,
they got on the bus
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and were dropped off
near their house
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at approximately
3:15 P.M. that day.
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Slaman: At 3:22,
seven minutes later,
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the 911 call comes in
from Jamie and Nicole
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finding their dad
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dead, shot seven times.
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We're looking back and putting
the whole timeline together.
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Narrator:
From John's daughters'
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information and the state of
the body at the crime scene,
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detectives believe John was
killed between 8 A.M.
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When the girls left for school
and 3:21 P.M.,
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when they found him dead
on the floor.
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Alessandrini:
The detectives wanted to know,
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"do you have any clue what
your dad did today?"
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Like, "no, I was at school.
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"He said he was going to work.
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I'm not sure what he did."
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Narrator: Needing to pin down
John's movements that day,
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investigators turn
to his friend, Eric babos,
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who sometimes assisted him
at work.
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Reiter: Eric babos was
the handyman for John riebe
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in the jobs that he did
for the air conditioning
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and heating company.
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Eric and John went
to high school together,
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so they were
longtime friends.
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Slaman:
Eric babos was low-key.
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He was wanting
to give US information.
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He wanted to help US.
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Narrator: But Eric tells
detectives he didn't see
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or talk to John
the day of the murder.
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Colwell: Eric advises US,
December the 15th,
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John was not working,
and he was taking that day off.
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And Eric was working
at his brother's house,
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which is about 3.5, 4 miles
away from John riebe's house.
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He advised US
he'd been there all day.
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Narrator:
With no leads from Eric,
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detectives turn
their attention
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to John's
estranged wife, Lisa.
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Arntfield: An ex-wife,
an ex-husband,
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um, an estranged spouse,
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this is someone who,
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in most circumstances,
needs to be excluded
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as being a suspect
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and is a person of interest
almost by default.
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You need to look at
what were
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the dynamics of
this relationship?
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What were any strains
or stresses on the relationship?
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What we had heard from the girls
is that, you know,
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they just didn't get along,
they were fighting all the time.
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Alessandrini: My mom was around
for birthdays and christmases
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and holidays.
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They kept in touch,
'cause, you know,
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we're her kids, but there
was a lot of fighting.
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Maybe there was
some sort of vendetta
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or personal argument
that had evolved to a certain
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level where she got angry
and perpetrated violence
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that erupted
in this horrible killing.
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Narrator:
Hours after John riebe
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is found dead, police question
his estranged wife, Lisa.
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Slaman:
Lisa was very upset.
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She was
emotionally distraught,
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seeing her daughters in that
state of being so upset.
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She was visibly shaken.
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Some suspects
will go too far,
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will go over the top,
excessive grief.
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Um, excessive theatricality.
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It could have a number
of motives behind it,
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but everyone deals
with grief differently.
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So without knowing what
that person's baseline
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responses to trauma
and what their triggers are,
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you always need
to dig deeper.
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Narrator: To find out whether
Lisa could have killed John,
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investigators need to
establish motive
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and whether she had
the opportunity.
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Colwell: Maybe there was some
kind of domestic issue between
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the two of them --
we're looking to find out
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where was she that day?
What was she doing that day?
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Was she the last person
to see John?
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Lisa said that
she last talked
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to John around
11:46 that morning.
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Narrator: With this new piece
of information,
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detectives rework
the timeline for
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the hours before
John's murder.
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Arntfield: A phone call can help
build a victim's timeline
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much like any
device-related activity.
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It leaves a trail --
it provides a definitive
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place where they are last seen
and heard from.
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And the contents of that
communication can also be
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very important.
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Slaman: They had talked
about going out possibly
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the next night, getting some
Christmas gifts for the girls.
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She said that there was
no duress, no anger.
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Narrator: Detectives look
into Lisa's story
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and work
to verify her alibi.
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Lisa was a receptionist,
and Lisa said
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that she was
at work that day.
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There was a couple witnesses
there that had said,
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yeah, she was there
at the timeframe
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that we were looking at.
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And when the girls called her
and told her what was going on,
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she left early and went
right over to John's house.
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Narrator:
With Lisa at work all day,
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detectives determined
she couldn't be involved in
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John's murder,
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and she's no longer
considered a suspect.
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They were separated,
but Lisa
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would describe John
as a good father.
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He took care
of the girls.
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You come into a lot of homes
where the common denominator
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is the kids.
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I think John and Lisa had
that type of relationship.
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Narrator: Lisa then offers up
a piece of information
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that sheds new light
on the investigation.
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Colwell: Well, in the meantime,
she had checked
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her phone messages,
and she had realized that
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John had left her two voice
messages just, you know,
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a minute before
three o'clock that day.
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And she played both
those messages for US.
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Reiter: John riebe
had called his ex-wife,
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asking her
if she could go
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to the heating and air
conditioning business in
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Toledo and pick up a check
that was waiting for him for
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a project that he had done
earlier in the week.
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And then within a minute,
minute and a half,
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he called back --
right back,
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he says, "hey, Lisa, someone
is waiting for his money.
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I need you to go
pick up this check."
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There was a level of urgency
to the second phone call.
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It was more,
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"hey, Lisa, why haven't
you called me back?
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"I need you,
I'll explain it to you,
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"but I need you
to call me back.
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I got someone here waiting."
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So...
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You know, there was definitely
a different tone.
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Colwell: This was before
cellphones really had taken off,
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so a lot of this
was land lines,
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and you knew exactly
where the person was.
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John had called her
from his house at that time.
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Narrator:
These phone calls are
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a significant development
in the case
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and further narrow
down the timeline.
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Slaman:
From the phone calls,
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we know that John
was alive at 2:58.
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We know that John
was alive at 2:59.
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We know John
was found dead
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at 3:21.
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So whoever shot
and killed John,
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it was in that timeline.
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Now we have
a 22-minute timeframe
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that we're dealing with.
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Narrator: But it's what
detectives hear next
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that turns the case
on its head.
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At the 2:59 phone call,
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you could hear something
in the background.
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You could hear
a second male's voice.
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That's when you also --
you can hear John say,
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"I've got someone here."
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Colwell:
So we know he's in --
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he's in the house with someone,
and that someone is probably
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the person that kills John,
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because 20 minutes
from that message,
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he's found dead
by his two daughters.
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Narrator:
Detectives now believe
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if they can identify
the background voice
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on the phone message,
they'll find their killer.
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At that particular time,
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um, I was involved with an FBI
task force in northwest Ohio,
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and we had access
to Quantico, Virginia,
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through our office.
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So we sent
the tapes to Quantico
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to try to get them enhanced
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so they could identify
who's in the background.
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The FBI had voice analysis,
but the FBI was unable
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to determine who
that person was.
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Narrator:
Getting no more information
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about the background voice,
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detectives ask Lisa,
John's ex, about his enemies.
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Slaman: Lisa advises
that the only person
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John had arguments with
was Chuck
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from the heating
and air conditioning company
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that John had
subcontracted for.
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Chuck owed John
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some money
for completing the job.
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John was very upset.
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Maybe an argument took place.
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Maybe a disagreement
took place.
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So Chuck became
a person of interest
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at that time.
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Alessandrini:
He did owe my dad money
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from just previous jobs.
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I didn't know if there was,
like,
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something going on with them.
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Narrator:
With suspicion swirling around
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John's business associate,
Chuck,
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detectives pay him a visit
at his hvac company.
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Colwell: He was the guy
that was in charge,
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very confident in himself,
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and he definitely wanted
things done his way.
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Narrator: When police ask about
his relationship with John,
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Chuck admits
to owing him $500.
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Slaman: Chuck dealt
with subcontractors,
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and he had learned that you
don't pay your subcontractors
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until the job's done
or else they wouldn't
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complete the project.
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He thought not only John,
but all other subcontractors,
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if you prepaid them,
they wouldn't get the job done.
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But Chuck said that John
had completed the job
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the week before, and he actually
had a check waiting for him.
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Narrator: Chuck tells detectives
about a series of phone calls
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he had with John, all near
the time of John's death.
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The first phone call,
I believe, was at 3:03,
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and John wanted to know if he
could send someone else to
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pick the checks up.
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And Chuck said,
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"no, you have to come down
and get the checks."
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There was another
phone call at 3:05.
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John was saying, "hey, can
I send someone else down?"
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"No, you can't.
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You have to come down
and get the check."
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Narrator: Eight minutes later,
the phone rang again.
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The next phone call,
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there were two voices
on the phone,
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and the second voice says,
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"hey, John owes me money.
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It's 150 bucks, so I'm gonna
come down and get the check."
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That call was it 3:13,
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and that's the one where
Chuck said to the guy,
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"hey, I told you before.
I'm not changing my mind.
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John has to come down
and get the check."
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The phone went dead.
He actually hung up on him.
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Narrator: Chuck tells detectives
he didn't recognize
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the other person
on the phone.
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He shares his company's
phone records
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to prove he's telling
the truth.
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Colwell: Chuck said he was
in his office that day,
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and he was with
his employee.
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The phone records tell US that
they had multiple phone calls,
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so we knew they were
at their business.
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Narrator: With the company's
phone records and Chuck's
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statements clearing him
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from the murder,
detectives colwell and slaman
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now look at the implications
of his story.
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We narrowed down the timeframe
from the phone calls.
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So now we got
an eight-minute timeframe
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that we're dealing with.
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Arntfield: The timeline in
this case is remarkably tight.
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We have a series of telephone
calls and then, minutes later,
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his two daughters coming home.
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That you can't help but question
whether his daughters
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actually crossed paths
with the killer,
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and if they were just
a couple of minutes earlier,
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if they, too, would have been
victims themselves.
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Alessandrini: He was shot
minutes before we walked
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in the door, which is scary.
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What if the bus had gone
a different route that day,
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and we get dropped off
first instead of last?
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We could have been there,
walking in the door.
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What would have happened
if we were there?
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Narrator:
Working with a timeline of
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just eight minutes,
from 3:13 to 3:21 pm,
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detectives need to uncover
the identity of the man
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with John the afternoon
he was murdered.
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What are the odds that somebody
else gained access to
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the home and killed him
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in that same length of time
and was still able to escape?
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It really leaves only
one possibility,
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and that's the other man that
was on the phone at 3:13.
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Colwell: It was an incredibly
tight timeline at this point,
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and now it's just
a matter of trying to --
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to figure out who that person
that was in the house.
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Narrator:
As business owner, Chuck,
is wrapping up his interview,
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he drops a bombshell, telling
police that at 4:06 P.M.,
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he received a final call.
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Slaman: Chuck says it's
the same person.
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So this same guy
calls again and says, "hey,
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"John's in the hospital.
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I need to come down
and get the check."
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And that's when Chuck said,
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"when John's
out of the hospital,
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he can come and get it."
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Not that Chuck believed him.
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Colwell: That last
phone call came in
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after John was
already found dead.
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Chuck told US that was the same
guy that was connected
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with those other calls
from John riebe's house,
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so we believe
that last phone call
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came from the person
that killed John.
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Narrator: As police wait for
a trace on the phone call,
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they circle back
to the crime scene,
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looking for any new clues.
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Colwell: The girls had never
seen anybody leaving
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as they were coming home.
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We talked to the bus driver,
and the bus driver
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didn't remember seeing
anybody leaving the scene.
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Slaman:
Where the house was,
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it was a very busy road.
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We combed the neighborhood,
and, no --
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no one saw or heard anything.
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Narrator:
With no new witnesses or leads,
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the investigation hits a wall.
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You get a little set back.
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It would be much easier
in a case
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if, you know,
a neighbor two doors down
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would've said, "hey, I saw this
guy running out of the house."
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00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,969
You know,
that would have been huge.
493
00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,471
But, um,
there was nothing.
494
00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:30,941
It was extremely difficult.
It was extremely difficult.
495
00:23:31,043 --> 00:23:34,578
Narrator: Then they get
an unexpected break.
496
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,715
Colwell: I got a phone call
from Eric babos.
497
00:23:37,817 --> 00:23:39,917
He advised me
that he might have
498
00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:44,355
some information that would
assist in our investigation.
499
00:23:44,457 --> 00:23:46,557
Narrator: Eric tells police
he had been at a party
500
00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:49,427
at John's house
the Friday before his murder
501
00:23:49,529 --> 00:23:52,430
when a man came in
he didn't recognize.
502
00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:54,999
He told US that there was
a guy that came in there,
503
00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:59,537
and he was delivering drugs,
and said that his name was j.R.,
504
00:23:59,639 --> 00:24:01,872
and then when
he was leaving, j.R. Said,
505
00:24:01,974 --> 00:24:03,541
"you know, hey,
what are you looking at?
506
00:24:03,643 --> 00:24:04,942
You're staring at me."
507
00:24:05,044 --> 00:24:07,978
And he pulled out a gun,
and he pointed it at John
508
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,181
and Eric
and threatened them.
509
00:24:10,283 --> 00:24:12,817
John riebe was
a dedicated father.
510
00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:14,518
He took care of
his daughters.
511
00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:17,354
But John riebe
also liked to party.
512
00:24:17,457 --> 00:24:18,889
He liked the night life.
513
00:24:18,991 --> 00:24:21,425
He, -
he, drank.
514
00:24:21,527 --> 00:24:24,428
He used drugs on occasion.
515
00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:27,131
Colwell: We got John's phone
to see who he had talked to
516
00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:30,000
the day of the 15th --
when we were
517
00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:31,969
looking at phone records,
you could see that John
518
00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,971
had called j.R.
519
00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:35,673
Narrator:
Detectives now zero in
520
00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:37,975
on a new suspect
in John's murder --
521
00:24:38,077 --> 00:24:40,845
local drug dealer, j.R.
522
00:24:40,947 --> 00:24:42,446
Reiter: Sylvania township
police detectives,
523
00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:45,883
when they were told that j.R.
524
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,853
Was a drug dealer,
they thought that perhaps
525
00:24:48,955 --> 00:24:50,554
he had something
to do with the crime.
526
00:24:50,656 --> 00:24:53,123
And maybe John riebe
owed him money for the drugs.
527
00:24:53,226 --> 00:24:55,092
Narrator: Police ask
John's friend Eric
528
00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:56,861
to come down
to the station again,
529
00:24:56,963 --> 00:24:59,830
hoping he can help
identify j.R.
530
00:24:59,932 --> 00:25:01,932
Slaman: Eric described him
as a big guy.
531
00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:05,135
He was imposing,
kind of short-cropped hair,
532
00:25:05,238 --> 00:25:07,938
well built,
and he brandished a gun,
533
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,207
but he didn't recognize him.
534
00:25:10,309 --> 00:25:11,742
Narrator: When detectives
run the name
535
00:25:11,844 --> 00:25:13,744
j.r. Through the database,
536
00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:17,014
they discover his real name
is valynn Rodgers,
537
00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:20,417
and he's been arrested
for an unrelated crime.
538
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,488
So myself and sergeant colwell,
we went down to Lucas county
539
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:25,656
sheriff's department,
540
00:25:25,758 --> 00:25:27,658
and we did an interview
with him in a --
541
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,195
in a back conference room,
and we actually sat
542
00:25:31,297 --> 00:25:34,765
and talked with valynn Rodgers
about John riebe.
543
00:25:34,867 --> 00:25:35,966
Valynn Rodgers
was a big guy.
544
00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:39,069
He took care of himself.
He obviously worked out.
545
00:25:39,171 --> 00:25:41,338
Narrator: When detectives
question valynn about the day
546
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,640
of John's murder,
547
00:25:42,742 --> 00:25:45,509
he says he was visiting
a friend 11 miles away.
548
00:25:46,913 --> 00:25:49,947
According to valynn,
the last time he spoke
549
00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:52,149
with John was on the 10th.
550
00:25:52,251 --> 00:25:55,019
That was the last time
he said he'd seen him alive.
551
00:25:55,121 --> 00:25:58,355
The day of the homicide,
John was trying to score
552
00:25:58,457 --> 00:26:03,427
some dope and had called
valynn Rodgers, but...
553
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:05,963
They never connected.
554
00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:07,264
Colwell: From the phone records,
you could see
555
00:26:07,366 --> 00:26:08,566
where it went
the voicemail,
556
00:26:08,668 --> 00:26:10,234
so we knew that
that information
557
00:26:10,336 --> 00:26:12,503
that valynn Rodgers
was giving US was true.
558
00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:14,338
Narrator:
Valynn also denies waving
559
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,540
a gun around
at John's party.
560
00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:18,375
Valynn says,
"I was at the party.
561
00:26:18,477 --> 00:26:23,414
"I scored -- I scored some --
some dope for John.
562
00:26:23,516 --> 00:26:25,115
I was in and out."
563
00:26:25,217 --> 00:26:27,151
He said he liked John riebe.
564
00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:29,186
He said he always
had the money,
565
00:26:29,288 --> 00:26:31,622
it was a simple
transaction.
566
00:26:31,724 --> 00:26:33,857
"Why would I kill him?"
567
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,428
Narrator: Detectives track down
friends of valynn Rodgers,
568
00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:40,264
and they confirm they were
with him in another town until
569
00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:43,267
4 P.M. on the day
John was murdered.
570
00:26:43,369 --> 00:26:46,136
Detectives also look closer
at Rodgers' activities
571
00:26:46,238 --> 00:26:48,105
the night of the party.
572
00:26:48,207 --> 00:26:51,141
There was another person that
Eric said was at the party,
573
00:26:51,243 --> 00:26:54,311
so we called him up
and basically said, "hey,
574
00:26:54,413 --> 00:26:56,480
can you come in and talk
to US for a little bit?"
575
00:26:56,582 --> 00:26:59,350
And we ask him, "did some guy
come there and deliver drugs?"
576
00:26:59,452 --> 00:27:02,019
He said, "yeah, some guy
came, he brought some drugs."
577
00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:04,054
And I asked him,
did he pull out a gun
578
00:27:04,156 --> 00:27:06,757
and threatened --
threaten you guys, and he said,
579
00:27:06,859 --> 00:27:08,692
"no, there was
no guy with a gun."
580
00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:11,862
So at that point,
we know that the story
581
00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,531
Eric babos came to tell US
that night was a complete lie.
582
00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:18,469
Narrator: Now investigators
turn their attention back
583
00:27:18,571 --> 00:27:20,471
to John's longtime friend,
584
00:27:20,573 --> 00:27:24,742
Eric babos and discover
he's got a criminal past.
585
00:27:24,844 --> 00:27:26,744
Colwell: He had a drug
and alcohol problem.
586
00:27:26,846 --> 00:27:28,646
He had some dui arrests.
587
00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:32,016
He had a temper problem.
He had domestic violences.
588
00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:34,451
His wife
had moved out on him.
589
00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:36,687
His kid wasn't staying
with him anymore.
590
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:39,490
He was a guy that was, you know,
kind of down and out.
591
00:27:39,592 --> 00:27:41,592
My dad helped him out a lot.
592
00:27:41,694 --> 00:27:45,629
Like, he had
a kid younger than US,
593
00:27:45,731 --> 00:27:48,365
and my dad helped him, like,
"hey, you know,
594
00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:50,868
"I know you don't have any
work right now.
595
00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:53,570
"You can help me out,
and I'll pay you
596
00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:56,707
to, you know, grab my tools,
help me carry things."
597
00:27:56,809 --> 00:28:00,110
Narrator: The more detectives
learn about Eric,
598
00:28:00,212 --> 00:28:02,546
the more red flags they find.
599
00:28:02,648 --> 00:28:04,682
Colwell:
The girls thought Eric was
600
00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:07,317
not a good influence
on their dad.
601
00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:10,587
You know, he partied too much,
and they never liked him.
602
00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:11,588
They thought he was --
603
00:28:11,691 --> 00:28:14,124
he acted strange around them.
604
00:28:14,226 --> 00:28:17,628
He was kind of weird,
but not anything where
605
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:20,698
I thought he would ever
do anything like this,
606
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,232
like, shoot my dad.
607
00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:34,244
Narrator: Investigators have
zeroed in on John riebe's
608
00:28:34,346 --> 00:28:36,647
longtime friend,
Eric babos,
609
00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:39,316
as their prime suspect
in his murder.
610
00:28:39,418 --> 00:28:41,585
Slaman: Eric's alibi
was that he was
611
00:28:41,687 --> 00:28:44,688
renovating his brother's house.
612
00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:46,557
It was on westacre,
which is about, you know,
613
00:28:46,659 --> 00:28:48,992
three and a half, four miles
from the crime scene.
614
00:28:49,095 --> 00:28:52,596
And he said he was dropped
off by his father around
615
00:28:52,698 --> 00:28:54,865
10-ish and picked up
by his brother
616
00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:56,667
around 4:30 that afternoon,
617
00:28:56,769 --> 00:28:59,069
and he had never
left the house.
618
00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:01,138
Narrator:
Detectives colwell and slaman
619
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,773
reach out to Eric's family,
620
00:29:02,875 --> 00:29:06,276
asking if they can confirm
the handyman's alibi.
621
00:29:06,378 --> 00:29:08,078
They were saying, "yeah,
we dropped him off and
622
00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:10,614
picked him up."
But...
623
00:29:10,716 --> 00:29:13,050
During the timeframe
624
00:29:13,152 --> 00:29:15,185
of the murder,
he's unaccounted for.
625
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:21,525
Eric babos was at the house
alone the whole day,
626
00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:24,528
and so he couldn't
get anyone to
627
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:27,564
substantiate the alibi
that he was there.
628
00:29:27,666 --> 00:29:29,833
He could have,
at any time,
629
00:29:29,935 --> 00:29:33,370
gotten a ride from somebody
else, ridden his bike,
630
00:29:33,472 --> 00:29:35,506
or walked to
John riebe's house.
631
00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:37,508
Narrator:
Through John's phone records,
632
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:40,511
detectives catch Eric
in another lie.
633
00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:43,013
Slaman: Eric said that he had
last spoken with John the day
634
00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:46,383
before the homicide, and that
he had not been there that day,
635
00:29:46,485 --> 00:29:48,519
he had not talked
to John that day.
636
00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:51,722
But from the phone records,
that's a lie.
637
00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:55,626
He spoke to John
that -- the day of the homicide.
638
00:29:55,728 --> 00:29:57,861
He spoke to him
in the morning,
639
00:29:57,963 --> 00:30:00,531
around eight in the morning,
then he called him around
640
00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:01,832
11-ish.
641
00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:04,601
Narrator: Investigators confront
Eric with this information,
642
00:30:04,703 --> 00:30:07,004
and his story changes.
643
00:30:07,106 --> 00:30:10,841
He admitted to US that he did
talk to John that morning,
644
00:30:10,943 --> 00:30:12,910
and he said he wanted to know
if they were gonna go work
645
00:30:13,012 --> 00:30:13,977
that day.
646
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:15,813
Eric said John told him,
"you know,
647
00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:17,214
"I'm gonna have some coffee,
I'm gonna,
648
00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:18,982
you know,
see what's going on.
649
00:30:19,084 --> 00:30:20,884
I don't know if I'm working
today or not."
650
00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:23,320
And then Eric said,
you know, "we got to get paid."
651
00:30:23,422 --> 00:30:27,024
And John said, "yeah, yeah,
I'll get with you later on it."
652
00:30:27,126 --> 00:30:29,560
So we knew they were talking
to each other on the phone.
653
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:34,431
Thomas: Once you start
lying to investigators,
654
00:30:34,533 --> 00:30:35,799
they are gonna
655
00:30:35,901 --> 00:30:39,269
lay hard on that person
and start to look at everything
656
00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:42,039
they've said,
and they're gonna keep digging.
657
00:30:43,409 --> 00:30:46,076
Narrator: Suspicion about Eric
keeps growing
658
00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:48,412
as Jamie remembers
something unusual that
659
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,881
happened the day of
her father's murder.
660
00:30:50,983 --> 00:30:53,817
Eric called my house
and actually asked for my dad.
661
00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:54,985
And I said,
662
00:30:55,087 --> 00:30:57,487
"well, no, my dad can't
come to the phone right now.
663
00:30:57,623 --> 00:30:59,623
"Something's going on."
664
00:30:59,725 --> 00:31:02,292
And he's saying, "I want
my money. I want my money."
665
00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:04,161
It's $150.
666
00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:06,063
Like, why?
667
00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:09,199
All of a sudden you're calling
and asking for money?
668
00:31:09,301 --> 00:31:11,168
Slaman: Eric said he called,
because he wanted to
669
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:14,972
get the $150,
because he promised his son
670
00:31:15,074 --> 00:31:17,174
that he was gonna take him
Christmas shopping,
671
00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:19,009
so he wanted that money
right away.
672
00:31:20,412 --> 00:31:23,513
We know that John called Lisa
before three o'clock that day
673
00:31:23,616 --> 00:31:25,082
and left her a voice message
674
00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:26,950
and said there was a guy
waiting there, and he's waiting
675
00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:28,352
to get his money.
676
00:31:28,454 --> 00:31:31,221
Now we find out Eric wanted
to get his money.
677
00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:34,591
So Eric babos actually
kind of gave US his motive.
678
00:31:36,195 --> 00:31:38,061
Narrator:
Having identified a motive,
679
00:31:38,163 --> 00:31:40,631
detectives take a closer look
at Eric's movements
680
00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:42,332
on the day John was killed.
681
00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:44,768
Colwell: We went
to his brother's house
682
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:46,536
where he was supposed to be
working that day,
683
00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:47,938
to see if there was
work going on,
684
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,273
those kind of things.
685
00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:51,441
It was kind of unusual,
because there was a bike
686
00:31:51,543 --> 00:31:54,378
in the side yard there,
and you could tell
687
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880
by the tracks in the snow that
someone had been riding
688
00:31:56,982 --> 00:31:58,382
that bike in the last day.
689
00:31:59,985 --> 00:32:05,122
I actually had my son, who
was 11 years old at the time,
690
00:32:05,224 --> 00:32:07,758
and I had him ride
a bicycle from Eric's
691
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:11,561
brother's house to John
riebe's house and timed him,
692
00:32:11,664 --> 00:32:13,630
and there's two or three
different ways you could go to
693
00:32:13,732 --> 00:32:17,100
do it, my son was able to do it
in about 20, 25 minutes,
694
00:32:17,202 --> 00:32:19,703
so we knew Eric could do
it easily there and back.
695
00:32:23,008 --> 00:32:25,242
Narrator:
John was killed between 3:13
696
00:32:25,344 --> 00:32:27,511
and 3:21 in the afternoon,
697
00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:30,147
and Eric babos's alibi
for that timeframe
698
00:32:30,249 --> 00:32:32,149
isn't holding up.
699
00:32:32,251 --> 00:32:35,152
Colwell: He puts himself
at this house doing work.
700
00:32:35,254 --> 00:32:36,820
He said he was going out,
back and forth,
701
00:32:36,922 --> 00:32:39,056
taking stuff out
to the trash can.
702
00:32:39,158 --> 00:32:42,559
We checked both the neighbors
that were next to this house
703
00:32:42,661 --> 00:32:46,330
and said, "did you ever
see Eric babos there?"
704
00:32:46,432 --> 00:32:49,333
These people knew Eric because
he had actually lived
705
00:32:49,435 --> 00:32:51,268
in that house for a while,
and they said, "no,
706
00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:52,669
we never saw Eric that day."
707
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:56,239
Narrator:
With Eric in their crosshairs,
708
00:32:56,342 --> 00:32:59,376
detectives get a search warrant
for his home and phone,
709
00:32:59,511 --> 00:33:02,946
looking for evidence that
connects him to John's murder.
710
00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:04,748
Slaman: Well, you're searching
for anything,
711
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:07,517
a gun or clothing items
with some bloodstains
712
00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:09,353
or something,
maybe it was on the clothes,
713
00:33:09,455 --> 00:33:11,221
maybe unaccounted for money,
714
00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:13,123
maybe a check stub,
or anything that can
715
00:33:13,225 --> 00:33:15,025
link to the crime.
716
00:33:15,127 --> 00:33:16,760
Narrator:
But investigators aren't able
717
00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:19,029
to locate the gun
that killed John riebe
718
00:33:19,131 --> 00:33:22,199
or any items that
yield physical evidence.
719
00:33:22,301 --> 00:33:24,334
It would be pretty rare
720
00:33:24,436 --> 00:33:27,304
or stupid of someone to shoot
somebody seven times
721
00:33:27,406 --> 00:33:28,872
and then hold on
to that gun.
722
00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:30,741
That gun, I'm sure,
is in a river somewhere.
723
00:33:36,048 --> 00:33:38,648
Alessandrini: I'm still
thinking it's not real,
724
00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:40,150
like,
725
00:33:40,252 --> 00:33:41,351
why is this happening?
726
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:44,688
Waiting for answers,
waiting for
727
00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:46,256
what really happened.
728
00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:48,258
Pretty much
729
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,061
twisted
our whole world around.
730
00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:52,529
It's horrible.
731
00:33:54,933 --> 00:33:56,800
Narrator: While detectives
have established
732
00:33:56,902 --> 00:34:00,070
that Eric had the motive
and opportunity to kill John,
733
00:34:00,172 --> 00:34:02,172
they don't have physical
evidence tying him
734
00:34:02,274 --> 00:34:03,540
to the murder.
735
00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:07,511
They revisit the timeline
and learn that at 4:15 P.M.,
736
00:34:07,613 --> 00:34:09,146
Eric's brother took him
to the bank
737
00:34:09,248 --> 00:34:12,249
and hardware store after
picking him up that day.
738
00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:14,985
There was a video camera
at the bank, and there was
739
00:34:15,087 --> 00:34:17,154
a video camera at
the department store he was in.
740
00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:21,191
Reiter: The police detectives
were able to determine
741
00:34:21,293 --> 00:34:24,694
what Eric babos
was wearing that day
742
00:34:24,797 --> 00:34:27,531
through video that was taken.
743
00:34:27,633 --> 00:34:30,667
Narrator: Detectives get
another search warrant,
744
00:34:30,769 --> 00:34:34,004
this one specifically for
the clothing Eric was wearing
745
00:34:34,106 --> 00:34:37,274
on December 15th,
the day of the crime.
746
00:34:37,376 --> 00:34:40,077
We sent that shirt
that he was wearing to the lab,
747
00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:42,546
and it came back with
gunshot residue on that.
748
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:46,450
It was on the left sleeve,
which made sense,
749
00:34:46,552 --> 00:34:48,385
because the way the gun
would reject,
750
00:34:48,487 --> 00:34:50,854
it would probably
spray his left sleeve.
751
00:34:50,956 --> 00:34:54,157
I mean, this was
an investigator's dream.
752
00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:02,766
Narrator: After discovering
physical evidence linking
753
00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:05,302
Eric babos to the murder
of John riebe,
754
00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:07,971
detectives colwell
and slaman set a trap
755
00:35:08,073 --> 00:35:09,606
for their prime suspect.
756
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:13,443
Colwell: We asked Eric babos,
would there be a reason,
757
00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:15,345
you know, you would have
something on that shirt,
758
00:35:15,447 --> 00:35:17,314
you know,
do you sport shoot?
759
00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:18,715
Or, you know,
do you skeet shoot?
760
00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:20,016
Are you a hunter
or something like that?
761
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:21,852
"No, no, I don't do any --
I don't own any guns."
762
00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:23,587
You know, he locked
himself into that.
763
00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:25,889
Narrator: Investigators
are certain Eric
764
00:35:25,991 --> 00:35:27,124
is their killer,
765
00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:28,825
but they still
don't have enough evidence
766
00:35:28,927 --> 00:35:30,627
to make an arrest.
767
00:35:30,729 --> 00:35:34,431
You don't always have
an offender on video
768
00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:36,733
pulling the trigger,
you don't always have DNA.
769
00:35:36,835 --> 00:35:39,236
Cases are built
a brick at a time,
770
00:35:39,338 --> 00:35:41,605
and when you don't have
enough circumstantial evidence,
771
00:35:41,707 --> 00:35:43,940
that's when you may not
get convictions.
772
00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:45,609
Narrator: Detectives slaman
and colwell
773
00:35:45,711 --> 00:35:48,411
fear Eric might
get away with murder.
774
00:35:48,547 --> 00:35:50,981
Then they get the break
they've been waiting for.
775
00:35:51,083 --> 00:35:54,918
Chuck had advised US that there
was that last phone call where
776
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:57,954
someone was trying to get
paid, trying to get the money.
777
00:35:58,056 --> 00:36:01,291
So we got Eric's phone records
for December the 15th.
778
00:36:01,393 --> 00:36:03,059
We saw that
that phone call
779
00:36:03,162 --> 00:36:06,029
actually came from
Eric babos's cellphone.
780
00:36:06,131 --> 00:36:08,798
He called and asked
for the money again.
781
00:36:08,901 --> 00:36:12,569
So that last phone call
that after -- John was
782
00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:14,671
already found dead
came from Eric's phone.
783
00:36:16,008 --> 00:36:17,040
Slaman: That was huge.
784
00:36:17,176 --> 00:36:19,042
That was a huge significant
break in the case,
785
00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:22,579
because now we have
Eric babos
786
00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:24,481
that's been identified
by Chuck.
787
00:36:26,051 --> 00:36:27,384
He said,
788
00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:29,786
"that's the same person
who said,
789
00:36:29,888 --> 00:36:32,055
'i want to come down and get
the check.'"
790
00:36:32,157 --> 00:36:34,891
there's only one person
that was connected to that --
791
00:36:34,993 --> 00:36:37,460
John's helper, Eric babos.
792
00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:40,096
Narrator:
On December 29, 2004,
793
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:42,632
just
four days after Christmas,
794
00:36:42,734 --> 00:36:46,670
detectives arrest Eric babos
for John riebe's murder.
795
00:36:46,772 --> 00:36:50,006
We went and knocked on the door,
and I remember he came down,
796
00:36:50,108 --> 00:36:51,908
walked down the steps,
and sat on the steps.
797
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:53,343
And we told him,
798
00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:56,479
"we have an arrest
for aggravated murder."
799
00:36:56,582 --> 00:36:59,516
And he just got up and put
his hands behind his back.
800
00:36:59,618 --> 00:37:02,586
And that 100% reinforced
that we had the right guy.
801
00:37:02,688 --> 00:37:03,720
It was Eric babos.
802
00:37:05,924 --> 00:37:08,291
Narrator: Detectives are
now able to reconstruct
803
00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:10,760
the final 24 hours
of John's life.
804
00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,334
Slaman:
The morning of the homicide,
805
00:37:17,436 --> 00:37:19,936
John riebe gets his kids
off to school.
806
00:37:20,038 --> 00:37:22,973
Around eight o'clock,
he gets them off to the bus.
807
00:37:23,075 --> 00:37:27,877
And he spoke to Lisa
around 11:46 that morning.
808
00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:30,213
You know, John's --
you know, stays in,
809
00:37:30,315 --> 00:37:32,749
and he's got that urge
to party a little bit.
810
00:37:32,851 --> 00:37:36,386
So John called
valynn Rodgers, but...
811
00:37:36,488 --> 00:37:38,255
They never connected.
812
00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:41,024
Two o'clock,
813
00:37:41,126 --> 00:37:44,995
Eric, who's been dropped off
at his brother's house
814
00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:47,597
on westacre, decides
815
00:37:47,699 --> 00:37:48,732
"I'm gonna go over there.
816
00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:51,868
I'm gonna confront John
because I want my money."
817
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:56,539
During that time, before three
o'clock in the afternoon,
818
00:37:56,642 --> 00:38:00,110
Eric gets inside the house
and confronts John.
819
00:38:00,212 --> 00:38:03,380
"Hey, I need this 150 bucks.
We did a job for you.
820
00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:06,116
I worked for you.
I want my money."
821
00:38:06,218 --> 00:38:08,952
Colwell: John, at that time,
tried to appease him
822
00:38:09,054 --> 00:38:10,453
and reached out to
823
00:38:10,555 --> 00:38:13,990
the ex-wife, Lisa, to see if
she would go get the money.
824
00:38:14,092 --> 00:38:17,460
And he was unable
to make contact with her.
825
00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:18,862
At that point in time,
826
00:38:18,964 --> 00:38:20,797
John called Chuck
to see if it would be okay
827
00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:23,400
if his helper, Eric, could
just go pick up the money,
828
00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:26,002
and then he was advised
that John had to sign off
829
00:38:26,104 --> 00:38:27,237
on the check.
830
00:38:27,339 --> 00:38:29,639
Eric didn't believe that,
and so John called back again,
831
00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:31,741
and this time, he actually
handed the phone
832
00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:35,045
to Eric babos, and he asked
Chuck to explain to him
833
00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:37,647
why he couldn't come get
the money himself.
834
00:38:37,749 --> 00:38:41,318
Slaman: We think right in
that time, right around 3:13,
835
00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,553
either John is deceased
836
00:38:45,424 --> 00:38:48,725
or John's going to be dead,
837
00:38:48,794 --> 00:38:50,660
because at 3:21,
838
00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:57,734
Jamie and Nicole
find their dad dead.
839
00:39:07,279 --> 00:39:11,247
There's a fourth
phone call at 4:06 where Chuck
840
00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:13,283
from the heating
and air conditioning place
841
00:39:13,385 --> 00:39:15,552
picks up,
and it's Eric babos
842
00:39:15,654 --> 00:39:18,054
saying,
"hey, I'm John's helper.
843
00:39:18,156 --> 00:39:19,656
"John owes me money.
844
00:39:19,758 --> 00:39:21,624
Can I come get the check up?"
845
00:39:21,727 --> 00:39:24,728
"No.
John has to come."
846
00:39:27,566 --> 00:39:29,699
There's absolutely no doubt
in that case that
847
00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:34,037
Eric babos shot John riebe
seven times over $150.
848
00:39:37,709 --> 00:39:40,443
Arntfield: I think money was
really just the rationalization.
849
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,746
It was about ego
and proving a point.
850
00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:44,013
No one was going to
deny him
851
00:39:44,116 --> 00:39:46,383
that amount of money,
whether it was $150
852
00:39:46,485 --> 00:39:49,018
or $150,000,
and at the end of the day,
853
00:39:49,121 --> 00:39:51,054
what we're dealing with here
is actually someone with
854
00:39:51,156 --> 00:39:54,257
sociopathic tendencies
who could rationalize
855
00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:56,860
in their twisted mind
856
00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:59,929
that that was
a logical outcome.
857
00:40:02,434 --> 00:40:04,234
Alessandrini:
Eric's known US since...
858
00:40:04,336 --> 00:40:06,202
We were born,
859
00:40:06,304 --> 00:40:09,572
so it's not like he didn't...
860
00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:10,673
Know US.
861
00:40:10,776 --> 00:40:12,242
We had enough
interaction with him.
862
00:40:12,344 --> 00:40:15,812
It wasn't anything like
this random guy, random person,
863
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:18,615
who's upset about something
who killed my dad.
864
00:40:18,717 --> 00:40:21,718
No, I'll never forgive him.
I'll always be angry.
865
00:40:23,388 --> 00:40:25,822
Narrator:
On August 5, 2005,
866
00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:28,191
a jury finds Eric babos
guilty of
867
00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:31,861
the murder of John riebe
and sentence him to life
868
00:40:31,963 --> 00:40:32,996
in prison.
869
00:40:33,098 --> 00:40:36,366
My dad and Eric had been
friends since high school.
870
00:40:36,468 --> 00:40:37,767
Like, how could you do that
871
00:40:37,869 --> 00:40:40,970
to somebody you've known
most of your life?
872
00:40:41,072 --> 00:40:45,008
And my dad helped him
out a lot, so...
873
00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:48,211
Like, why?
Do you not have a heart?
874
00:40:50,982 --> 00:40:52,482
Slaman:
The timeline was everything.
875
00:40:52,584 --> 00:40:55,218
I can't remember,
in my 38 years,
876
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,054
a case having such
a close timeline.
877
00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:00,690
You almost never get
something like that.
878
00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:02,058
Everything played out.
879
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,626
You could match the crime
880
00:41:03,728 --> 00:41:05,795
to the time,
to the phone calls,
881
00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:09,098
the 911 calls, it all
fit together very tightly.
882
00:41:12,204 --> 00:41:14,571
Arntfield: This case is
one of tragedy.
883
00:41:14,673 --> 00:41:15,672
It's christmastime.
884
00:41:15,774 --> 00:41:17,707
You have a father murdered,
885
00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:19,976
leaving two daughters
fatherless.
886
00:41:20,078 --> 00:41:22,011
A family was destroyed,
887
00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:25,482
you know,
reduced to ruins.
888
00:41:25,584 --> 00:41:27,317
Very, very difficult.
889
00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:33,556
My dad was a great dad,
a hard worker.
890
00:41:36,194 --> 00:41:38,328
Um, but I do,
I miss his goofiness, and...
891
00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:42,866
His -- his singing
in the car.
892
00:41:42,968 --> 00:41:44,033
That's what I miss
the most.
893
00:41:46,238 --> 00:41:48,571
It's hard knowing my kids
won't know him.
894
00:41:50,542 --> 00:41:53,576
And my son actually
asks about him,
895
00:41:53,678 --> 00:41:55,678
because he sees
pictures of him,
896
00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:57,780
and it's hard,
then he's like,"who's that?"
897
00:41:57,883 --> 00:41:59,849
"That's grandpa."
"Where's grandpa?"
898
00:42:01,419 --> 00:42:03,753
It's hard to explain,
and...
899
00:42:05,524 --> 00:42:09,325
Christmas is hard, but we just
try to make the best of it.
900
00:42:09,427 --> 00:42:11,094
So I'll always
remember my dad.
901
00:42:16,568 --> 00:42:19,135
Slaman: I can't imagine
being that age
902
00:42:19,237 --> 00:42:21,304
and finding my father
shot and killed.
903
00:42:21,406 --> 00:42:24,240
No matter how bad
the circumstances are,
904
00:42:24,342 --> 00:42:28,611
people want to know the truth,
and I think we served him well.
905
00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:30,413
They have closure.
They can put it to bed.
906
00:42:30,515 --> 00:42:31,614
They can go on
with their lives.
71690
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