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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:08,574 He was shot minutes before we walked in the door, 2 00:00:08,676 --> 00:00:09,975 which is scary. 3 00:00:10,077 --> 00:00:11,844 What would have happened if we were there? 4 00:00:11,946 --> 00:00:13,212 Narrator: A vicious murder. 5 00:00:13,314 --> 00:00:17,249 It was obvious whoever wanted to kill him was very angry 6 00:00:17,351 --> 00:00:19,451 because they probably could have shot him once or twice, 7 00:00:19,553 --> 00:00:22,488 but they had emptied the magazine into him. 8 00:00:22,623 --> 00:00:25,591 Narrator: A dark mystery with multiple suspects. 9 00:00:25,693 --> 00:00:26,792 Colwell: You know, they just didn't get along. 10 00:00:26,894 --> 00:00:28,193 They were fighting all the time. 11 00:00:29,463 --> 00:00:31,296 Slaman: Maybe an argument took place. 12 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:33,799 Maybe a disagreement took place. 13 00:00:33,901 --> 00:00:35,968 Colwell: He said, you know, "hey, what are you looking at? 14 00:00:36,070 --> 00:00:38,637 You're staring at me," and he pulled out a gun. 15 00:00:38,739 --> 00:00:41,006 Narrator: The truth will be revealed. 16 00:00:41,108 --> 00:00:43,108 Colwell: We know that that last phone call actually 17 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:46,011 came from after John was already found dead, 18 00:00:46,113 --> 00:00:47,946 so I think that phone call came from the guy 19 00:00:48,049 --> 00:00:49,181 that killed him. 20 00:00:54,188 --> 00:00:55,821 Narrator: Every day in North America, 21 00:00:55,956 --> 00:00:58,490 dozens of people are murdered. 22 00:00:58,592 --> 00:01:01,026 The key to solving the toughest of these homicides 23 00:01:01,128 --> 00:01:05,130 lies in the final 24 hours of the victim's life. 24 00:01:05,232 --> 00:01:06,532 To crack the case, 25 00:01:06,634 --> 00:01:10,302 detectives must reconstruct that critical timeline, 26 00:01:10,404 --> 00:01:12,971 the minutes and hours containing evidence 27 00:01:13,074 --> 00:01:15,107 that can help unlock the mystery 28 00:01:15,209 --> 00:01:16,141 and catch the killer. 29 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,121 Sylvania township, a quaint, close-knit town 30 00:01:29,256 --> 00:01:31,690 bordering Toledo, Ohio. 31 00:01:31,792 --> 00:01:33,692 Slaman: People are happy out here. 32 00:01:33,794 --> 00:01:37,096 In christmastime, the neighborhoods are all lit up. 33 00:01:37,198 --> 00:01:38,764 You can tell the festivities 34 00:01:38,866 --> 00:01:40,566 for the holidays are coming around. 35 00:01:40,668 --> 00:01:44,269 Every neighborhood tries to outdo the next neighborhood. 36 00:01:44,371 --> 00:01:46,839 Colwell: We've always been fairly lucky -- 37 00:01:46,941 --> 00:01:49,908 we haven't had that many homicides. 38 00:01:50,010 --> 00:01:51,743 Probably the majority of calls that 39 00:01:51,846 --> 00:01:54,379 we get are domestic violences, 40 00:01:54,482 --> 00:01:56,181 and we get a lot of burglary calls. 41 00:01:57,218 --> 00:01:58,817 Narrator: But on a quiet afternoon, 42 00:01:58,919 --> 00:02:01,553 just ten days before Christmas, 43 00:02:01,655 --> 00:02:04,223 two young girls make a grisly discovery. 44 00:02:05,326 --> 00:02:10,195 Alessandrini: I was 13, and my sister Nicole was 12. 45 00:02:10,297 --> 00:02:11,964 We were both in the same school at the time. 46 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:15,567 We were the last kids off the bus, 47 00:02:15,669 --> 00:02:19,905 and we got home -- our dad's car's in the driveway. 48 00:02:20,007 --> 00:02:21,974 I thought, "I forgot my keys in the house, 49 00:02:22,076 --> 00:02:24,009 and thank god dad's home." 50 00:02:24,111 --> 00:02:26,712 So we try to, you know, walk in the front door. 51 00:02:26,814 --> 00:02:28,213 The front door is locked. 52 00:02:28,315 --> 00:02:29,381 Okay, maybe he's napping. 53 00:02:29,483 --> 00:02:31,984 Knock on the door. Nothing. 54 00:02:32,086 --> 00:02:33,785 I go to the backdoor. 55 00:02:33,888 --> 00:02:36,688 Still no answer. 56 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:41,059 We look inside, try to see what was going on. 57 00:02:41,162 --> 00:02:44,296 My sister Nicole says, "dad's on the floor." 58 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:48,400 I was like, "what do you mean he's on the floor?" 59 00:02:48,502 --> 00:02:50,769 She goes, "dad's on the floor. He's not moving." 60 00:02:50,871 --> 00:02:53,472 There's a front window on the house. 61 00:02:53,574 --> 00:02:56,742 There wasn't a lock on it, so I pushed the window open 62 00:02:56,844 --> 00:02:59,811 and got my sister inside. 63 00:02:59,914 --> 00:03:04,116 She unlocked the front door and we looked at our dad. 64 00:03:04,218 --> 00:03:05,684 He wasn't breathing. He was blue. 65 00:03:07,188 --> 00:03:09,688 At first, we thought he actually had committed suicide. 66 00:03:09,823 --> 00:03:11,957 I dialed 911. 67 00:03:12,059 --> 00:03:14,159 911, what's your emergency? 68 00:03:36,617 --> 00:03:37,683 Alessandrini: I was scared. 69 00:03:37,785 --> 00:03:39,451 I didn't know what was going on. 70 00:03:39,553 --> 00:03:42,387 The 911 operator told US we needed to go outside, 71 00:03:42,489 --> 00:03:44,223 because, of course, she doesn't know what's going on. 72 00:03:46,293 --> 00:03:48,927 And within minutes, we had police officers 73 00:03:49,029 --> 00:03:50,128 in our driveway. 74 00:03:54,301 --> 00:03:55,968 Narrator: Veteran homicide detectives 75 00:03:56,070 --> 00:03:59,004 Todd slaman and Robert colwell 76 00:03:59,106 --> 00:04:01,173 are called to the scene to investigate. 77 00:04:01,275 --> 00:04:02,908 Colwell: When the 911 call came in, 78 00:04:03,010 --> 00:04:04,710 I was actually sitting in my office 79 00:04:04,812 --> 00:04:07,279 in the detective bureau, and, 80 00:04:07,381 --> 00:04:11,583 originally, I was told by the dispatcher that there was 81 00:04:11,685 --> 00:04:13,485 a possible suicide. 82 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:16,421 And then shortly after that, there was an update 83 00:04:16,523 --> 00:04:18,123 possibly that this was a homicide. 84 00:04:18,225 --> 00:04:20,058 So that led US to believe that this 85 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,462 was not gonna be standard, regular investigation. 86 00:04:25,099 --> 00:04:27,466 When we first arrived on the scene, Mr. Riebe 87 00:04:27,568 --> 00:04:30,035 was laying there on the floor. 88 00:04:30,137 --> 00:04:32,437 He was on his side, face down. 89 00:04:33,507 --> 00:04:36,441 There was a guitar that was laying there by the body, 90 00:04:36,543 --> 00:04:38,744 so you could tell this was not a suicide. 91 00:04:41,015 --> 00:04:43,482 He was shot seven times. 92 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:46,385 He had several bullet wounds, 93 00:04:46,487 --> 00:04:48,153 some of the wounds hit his shoulder, 94 00:04:48,255 --> 00:04:49,921 one wound hit his hip, 95 00:04:50,024 --> 00:04:51,523 but the wound that really killed him 96 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:53,091 had hit him directly right in the heart. 97 00:04:55,763 --> 00:04:57,462 Slaman: This crime stood out. 98 00:04:57,564 --> 00:05:00,465 That John riebe was shot this many times 99 00:05:00,567 --> 00:05:02,901 in the middle of the daytime, that stood out. 100 00:05:03,003 --> 00:05:04,202 There was the violence of it. 101 00:05:05,539 --> 00:05:07,572 Arntfield: When we see someone shot seven times, 102 00:05:07,675 --> 00:05:08,840 this is overkill. 103 00:05:08,942 --> 00:05:10,876 Many firearms actually only have 104 00:05:10,978 --> 00:05:13,278 a magazine that will hold six or seven rounds, 105 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:16,848 so someone literally emptied a gun into this man. 106 00:05:18,252 --> 00:05:21,620 That is not a restrained, tactical murder. 107 00:05:21,722 --> 00:05:23,155 That is a rage murder. 108 00:05:23,257 --> 00:05:25,324 Narrator: John riebe was a 39-year-old 109 00:05:25,426 --> 00:05:28,627 single father taking care of his two daughters. 110 00:05:29,997 --> 00:05:32,431 My dad was the normal, you know, guy. 111 00:05:32,533 --> 00:05:34,800 Loved football. He was a bowler. 112 00:05:34,902 --> 00:05:36,335 He golfed. 113 00:05:36,437 --> 00:05:38,670 He was very family-oriented. 114 00:05:38,772 --> 00:05:40,038 He loved spending time with US, 115 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:42,474 doing things with my sister and I. 116 00:05:42,576 --> 00:05:44,242 He was a great guy. 117 00:05:44,345 --> 00:05:46,411 He met my mom at a gas station, 118 00:05:49,016 --> 00:05:51,016 and he said, "nice truck." 119 00:05:51,118 --> 00:05:52,951 And they swapped numbers, and then they dated 120 00:05:53,053 --> 00:05:54,886 about five years before they got married, 121 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:57,989 and then I was born three years later, and my sister 122 00:05:58,092 --> 00:06:00,125 15 months after that. 123 00:06:00,227 --> 00:06:03,261 It was more him doing everything for US. 124 00:06:03,364 --> 00:06:07,933 My mom wasn't in the picture as much as she should have been. 125 00:06:08,035 --> 00:06:09,568 My dad just 126 00:06:09,670 --> 00:06:11,803 finally said, "enough is enough," and, "leave, 127 00:06:11,905 --> 00:06:13,472 and I'll raise the kids myself." 128 00:06:14,742 --> 00:06:16,308 Narrator: John was self-employed as 129 00:06:16,410 --> 00:06:18,744 a heating and air conditioning installer. 130 00:06:18,846 --> 00:06:21,146 Money was tight, but he did everything 131 00:06:21,248 --> 00:06:23,548 he could to provide for his daughters. 132 00:06:23,650 --> 00:06:26,118 Alessandrini: My dad loved Christmas. 133 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:28,553 We were supposed to go get a Christmas tree that night. 134 00:06:28,655 --> 00:06:30,822 Our house was actually a pretty small house, 135 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:32,891 but every year, my dad always got 136 00:06:32,993 --> 00:06:36,628 the biggest, bushiest tree that he could find. 137 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:38,163 He would get up in the morning 138 00:06:38,265 --> 00:06:40,565 and cook breakfast -- like, a big breakfast. 139 00:06:40,667 --> 00:06:43,034 Always said, "breakfast before presents." 140 00:06:43,137 --> 00:06:45,137 It was awesome. He loved it. 141 00:06:50,477 --> 00:06:53,745 When they told US that he was shot, 142 00:06:53,847 --> 00:06:55,847 I was shocked, like, "what do you mean? 143 00:06:55,949 --> 00:06:59,151 No, that can't be possible. Who would do it?" 144 00:06:59,253 --> 00:07:01,853 And, you know, I just wanted to know why 145 00:07:01,955 --> 00:07:03,422 somebody would do that to my dad. 146 00:07:11,064 --> 00:07:12,831 Narrator: To find John riebe's killer, 147 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:14,332 detectives must unravel 148 00:07:14,435 --> 00:07:16,668 the last 24 hours of his life, 149 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:18,036 beginning with the crime scene. 150 00:07:22,242 --> 00:07:25,577 Slaman: We started processing the scene, and, 151 00:07:25,679 --> 00:07:27,846 we found casings on the floor, 152 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:29,748 gunshot casings. 153 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:32,317 The casings have the caliber of 154 00:07:32,419 --> 00:07:35,454 the gun on the back of the casings. 155 00:07:35,556 --> 00:07:38,756 Colwell: It was a 380 semi-automatic weapon. 156 00:07:38,826 --> 00:07:39,624 They're small guns 157 00:07:39,726 --> 00:07:41,293 you could just carry in your pocket, 158 00:07:41,395 --> 00:07:42,894 so we knew what kind of gun 159 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:45,430 we were looking for at that point in time. 160 00:07:45,532 --> 00:07:47,098 Narrator: When they scour the house, 161 00:07:47,201 --> 00:07:49,000 police don't locate the gun, 162 00:07:49,102 --> 00:07:51,436 but they do make some important discoveries. 163 00:07:52,806 --> 00:07:54,840 Slaman: There was no sign of a struggle. 164 00:07:54,942 --> 00:07:58,643 John was -- we're assuming he was playing the guitar. 165 00:07:58,745 --> 00:08:00,345 He was probably sitting, 166 00:08:00,447 --> 00:08:03,148 so John may have not known it was coming, 167 00:08:03,250 --> 00:08:06,718 and there was no signs of any forced entry, 168 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:11,523 so we believe whoever shot John riebe, 169 00:08:11,625 --> 00:08:13,158 John riebe may have known. 170 00:08:15,696 --> 00:08:18,930 At the scene, the blood that was on the body was not dry, 171 00:08:19,032 --> 00:08:21,700 and his body was still somewhat limber. 172 00:08:21,802 --> 00:08:23,869 The flesh was still soft. 173 00:08:23,971 --> 00:08:27,138 That led US to believe the crime was fairly recent. 174 00:08:27,241 --> 00:08:30,375 It definitely happened in the last couple of hours. 175 00:08:30,477 --> 00:08:32,477 Narrator: Detectives talk to John's daughters, 176 00:08:32,579 --> 00:08:33,778 hoping to pin down 177 00:08:33,881 --> 00:08:37,215 his final movements in the hours before his murder. 178 00:08:37,317 --> 00:08:39,985 That day, my sister and I, 179 00:08:40,087 --> 00:08:42,587 we got up for school and, you know, 180 00:08:42,689 --> 00:08:45,090 the normal, brush your teeth, eat. 181 00:08:45,192 --> 00:08:47,492 You know, dad was saying, "grab your backpack. 182 00:08:47,594 --> 00:08:49,494 Don't miss the bus." 183 00:08:49,596 --> 00:08:51,263 He told US, "I'm going to work. 184 00:08:51,365 --> 00:08:53,164 I should be home when you guys get home." 185 00:08:53,267 --> 00:08:55,133 We said, "okay, have a good day." 186 00:08:56,703 --> 00:08:59,671 Reiter: After school let out, they got on the bus 187 00:08:59,773 --> 00:09:01,740 and were dropped off near their house 188 00:09:01,842 --> 00:09:04,743 at approximately 3:15 P.M. that day. 189 00:09:05,812 --> 00:09:09,147 Slaman: At 3:22, seven minutes later, 190 00:09:09,249 --> 00:09:14,052 the 911 call comes in from Jamie and Nicole 191 00:09:14,154 --> 00:09:17,722 finding their dad 192 00:09:17,824 --> 00:09:21,560 dead, shot seven times. 193 00:09:21,662 --> 00:09:24,829 We're looking back and putting the whole timeline together. 194 00:09:24,932 --> 00:09:26,097 Narrator: From John's daughters' 195 00:09:26,199 --> 00:09:29,334 information and the state of the body at the crime scene, 196 00:09:29,436 --> 00:09:33,238 detectives believe John was killed between 8 A.M. 197 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:36,675 When the girls left for school and 3:21 P.M., 198 00:09:36,777 --> 00:09:39,144 when they found him dead on the floor. 199 00:09:39,246 --> 00:09:41,079 Alessandrini: The detectives wanted to know, 200 00:09:41,181 --> 00:09:43,481 "do you have any clue what your dad did today?" 201 00:09:43,584 --> 00:09:45,951 Like, "no, I was at school. 202 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:47,986 "He said he was going to work. 203 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:50,855 I'm not sure what he did." 204 00:09:50,958 --> 00:09:53,925 Narrator: Needing to pin down John's movements that day, 205 00:09:54,027 --> 00:09:57,162 investigators turn to his friend, Eric babos, 206 00:09:57,264 --> 00:09:59,397 who sometimes assisted him at work. 207 00:09:59,499 --> 00:10:05,103 Reiter: Eric babos was the handyman for John riebe 208 00:10:05,205 --> 00:10:08,540 in the jobs that he did for the air conditioning 209 00:10:08,642 --> 00:10:10,742 and heating company. 210 00:10:10,844 --> 00:10:13,578 Eric and John went to high school together, 211 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,548 so they were longtime friends. 212 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:19,117 Slaman: Eric babos was low-key. 213 00:10:19,219 --> 00:10:22,387 He was wanting to give US information. 214 00:10:22,489 --> 00:10:24,255 He wanted to help US. 215 00:10:24,358 --> 00:10:27,525 Narrator: But Eric tells detectives he didn't see 216 00:10:27,628 --> 00:10:30,195 or talk to John the day of the murder. 217 00:10:30,297 --> 00:10:32,430 Colwell: Eric advises US, December the 15th, 218 00:10:32,532 --> 00:10:35,900 John was not working, and he was taking that day off. 219 00:10:36,003 --> 00:10:37,969 And Eric was working at his brother's house, 220 00:10:38,071 --> 00:10:41,172 which is about 3.5, 4 miles away from John riebe's house. 221 00:10:41,274 --> 00:10:42,874 He advised US he'd been there all day. 222 00:10:42,976 --> 00:10:44,576 Narrator: With no leads from Eric, 223 00:10:44,678 --> 00:10:46,211 detectives turn their attention 224 00:10:46,313 --> 00:10:49,347 to John's estranged wife, Lisa. 225 00:10:49,449 --> 00:10:51,182 Arntfield: An ex-wife, an ex-husband, 226 00:10:51,284 --> 00:10:53,485 um, an estranged spouse, 227 00:10:53,587 --> 00:10:55,820 this is someone who, 228 00:10:55,922 --> 00:10:58,123 in most circumstances, needs to be excluded 229 00:10:58,225 --> 00:10:59,290 as being a suspect 230 00:10:59,426 --> 00:11:01,526 and is a person of interest almost by default. 231 00:11:02,763 --> 00:11:03,762 You need to look at what were 232 00:11:03,864 --> 00:11:05,296 the dynamics of this relationship? 233 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:08,833 What were any strains or stresses on the relationship? 234 00:11:10,237 --> 00:11:12,470 What we had heard from the girls is that, you know, 235 00:11:12,572 --> 00:11:15,140 they just didn't get along, they were fighting all the time. 236 00:11:17,177 --> 00:11:19,711 Alessandrini: My mom was around for birthdays and christmases 237 00:11:19,813 --> 00:11:21,012 and holidays. 238 00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:25,050 They kept in touch, 'cause, you know, 239 00:11:25,152 --> 00:11:28,186 we're her kids, but there was a lot of fighting. 240 00:11:29,423 --> 00:11:31,690 Maybe there was some sort of vendetta 241 00:11:31,792 --> 00:11:35,894 or personal argument that had evolved to a certain 242 00:11:35,996 --> 00:11:39,030 level where she got angry and perpetrated violence 243 00:11:39,132 --> 00:11:41,800 that erupted in this horrible killing. 244 00:11:51,578 --> 00:11:52,944 Narrator: Hours after John riebe 245 00:11:53,046 --> 00:11:58,349 is found dead, police question his estranged wife, Lisa. 246 00:11:58,452 --> 00:12:00,318 Slaman: Lisa was very upset. 247 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:02,253 She was emotionally distraught, 248 00:12:02,355 --> 00:12:06,324 seeing her daughters in that state of being so upset. 249 00:12:06,426 --> 00:12:07,826 She was visibly shaken. 250 00:12:09,162 --> 00:12:10,962 Some suspects will go too far, 251 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:13,164 will go over the top, excessive grief. 252 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:17,302 Um, excessive theatricality. 253 00:12:17,404 --> 00:12:19,804 It could have a number of motives behind it, 254 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:22,440 but everyone deals with grief differently. 255 00:12:22,542 --> 00:12:25,677 So without knowing what that person's baseline 256 00:12:25,779 --> 00:12:29,214 responses to trauma and what their triggers are, 257 00:12:29,316 --> 00:12:31,750 you always need to dig deeper. 258 00:12:31,852 --> 00:12:34,786 Narrator: To find out whether Lisa could have killed John, 259 00:12:34,888 --> 00:12:37,522 investigators need to establish motive 260 00:12:37,624 --> 00:12:39,691 and whether she had the opportunity. 261 00:12:39,793 --> 00:12:42,360 Colwell: Maybe there was some kind of domestic issue between 262 00:12:42,462 --> 00:12:44,362 the two of them -- we're looking to find out 263 00:12:44,464 --> 00:12:46,965 where was she that day? What was she doing that day? 264 00:12:47,067 --> 00:12:50,268 Was she the last person to see John? 265 00:12:50,370 --> 00:12:52,403 Lisa said that she last talked 266 00:12:52,506 --> 00:12:55,740 to John around 11:46 that morning. 267 00:12:55,842 --> 00:12:58,076 Narrator: With this new piece of information, 268 00:12:58,178 --> 00:13:00,311 detectives rework the timeline for 269 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:02,280 the hours before John's murder. 270 00:13:03,984 --> 00:13:07,285 Arntfield: A phone call can help build a victim's timeline 271 00:13:07,387 --> 00:13:10,421 much like any device-related activity. 272 00:13:10,524 --> 00:13:13,158 It leaves a trail -- it provides a definitive 273 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:16,261 place where they are last seen and heard from. 274 00:13:16,363 --> 00:13:19,364 And the contents of that communication can also be 275 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:21,332 very important. 276 00:13:21,434 --> 00:13:23,668 Slaman: They had talked about going out possibly 277 00:13:23,770 --> 00:13:26,838 the next night, getting some Christmas gifts for the girls. 278 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:29,941 She said that there was no duress, no anger. 279 00:13:31,545 --> 00:13:33,912 Narrator: Detectives look into Lisa's story 280 00:13:34,047 --> 00:13:36,581 and work to verify her alibi. 281 00:13:36,683 --> 00:13:40,285 Lisa was a receptionist, and Lisa said 282 00:13:40,387 --> 00:13:42,720 that she was at work that day. 283 00:13:42,823 --> 00:13:45,790 There was a couple witnesses there that had said, 284 00:13:45,892 --> 00:13:47,492 yeah, she was there at the timeframe 285 00:13:47,594 --> 00:13:49,160 that we were looking at. 286 00:13:49,262 --> 00:13:52,630 And when the girls called her and told her what was going on, 287 00:13:52,732 --> 00:13:55,633 she left early and went right over to John's house. 288 00:13:55,735 --> 00:13:57,702 Narrator: With Lisa at work all day, 289 00:13:57,804 --> 00:14:00,138 detectives determined she couldn't be involved in 290 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,372 John's murder, 291 00:14:01,474 --> 00:14:04,108 and she's no longer considered a suspect. 292 00:14:04,211 --> 00:14:06,110 They were separated, but Lisa 293 00:14:06,213 --> 00:14:07,846 would describe John as a good father. 294 00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:09,948 He took care of the girls. 295 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:13,718 You come into a lot of homes where the common denominator 296 00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:15,186 is the kids. 297 00:14:15,288 --> 00:14:18,857 I think John and Lisa had that type of relationship. 298 00:14:20,126 --> 00:14:22,727 Narrator: Lisa then offers up a piece of information 299 00:14:22,829 --> 00:14:25,763 that sheds new light on the investigation. 300 00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:27,432 Colwell: Well, in the meantime, she had checked 301 00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:30,668 her phone messages, and she had realized that 302 00:14:30,770 --> 00:14:34,672 John had left her two voice messages just, you know, 303 00:14:34,774 --> 00:14:36,808 a minute before three o'clock that day. 304 00:14:36,910 --> 00:14:40,478 And she played both those messages for US. 305 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:48,820 Reiter: John riebe had called his ex-wife, 306 00:14:48,922 --> 00:14:50,822 asking her if she could go 307 00:14:50,924 --> 00:14:53,291 to the heating and air conditioning business in 308 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:56,895 Toledo and pick up a check that was waiting for him for 309 00:14:56,997 --> 00:15:00,899 a project that he had done earlier in the week. 310 00:15:01,001 --> 00:15:03,268 And then within a minute, minute and a half, 311 00:15:03,370 --> 00:15:04,469 he called back -- right back, 312 00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:07,672 he says, "hey, Lisa, someone is waiting for his money. 313 00:15:07,774 --> 00:15:10,275 I need you to go pick up this check." 314 00:15:10,377 --> 00:15:13,011 There was a level of urgency to the second phone call. 315 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:18,783 It was more, 316 00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:21,686 "hey, Lisa, why haven't you called me back? 317 00:15:21,788 --> 00:15:23,621 "I need you, I'll explain it to you, 318 00:15:23,723 --> 00:15:25,290 "but I need you to call me back. 319 00:15:25,392 --> 00:15:27,191 I got someone here waiting." 320 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,459 So... 321 00:15:28,561 --> 00:15:30,995 You know, there was definitely a different tone. 322 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:38,102 Colwell: This was before cellphones really had taken off, 323 00:15:38,204 --> 00:15:40,138 so a lot of this was land lines, 324 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,074 and you knew exactly where the person was. 325 00:15:43,176 --> 00:15:47,078 John had called her from his house at that time. 326 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:49,280 Narrator: These phone calls are 327 00:15:49,382 --> 00:15:51,149 a significant development in the case 328 00:15:51,251 --> 00:15:53,451 and further narrow down the timeline. 329 00:15:54,888 --> 00:15:56,287 Slaman: From the phone calls, 330 00:15:56,389 --> 00:16:00,024 we know that John was alive at 2:58. 331 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:03,561 We know that John was alive at 2:59. 332 00:16:03,663 --> 00:16:06,264 We know John was found dead 333 00:16:06,366 --> 00:16:08,132 at 3:21. 334 00:16:08,234 --> 00:16:11,769 So whoever shot and killed John, 335 00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:14,038 it was in that timeline. 336 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:16,341 Now we have a 22-minute timeframe 337 00:16:16,443 --> 00:16:18,409 that we're dealing with. 338 00:16:18,511 --> 00:16:21,045 Narrator: But it's what detectives hear next 339 00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:22,914 that turns the case on its head. 340 00:16:24,084 --> 00:16:26,584 At the 2:59 phone call, 341 00:16:26,686 --> 00:16:28,586 you could hear something in the background. 342 00:16:28,688 --> 00:16:30,955 You could hear a second male's voice. 343 00:16:31,057 --> 00:16:33,891 That's when you also -- you can hear John say, 344 00:16:33,994 --> 00:16:35,526 "I've got someone here." 345 00:16:35,628 --> 00:16:37,428 Colwell: So we know he's in -- 346 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:40,999 he's in the house with someone, and that someone is probably 347 00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:42,433 the person that kills John, 348 00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:44,702 because 20 minutes from that message, 349 00:16:44,804 --> 00:16:47,238 he's found dead by his two daughters. 350 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,240 Narrator: Detectives now believe 351 00:16:49,342 --> 00:16:51,342 if they can identify the background voice 352 00:16:51,444 --> 00:16:54,645 on the phone message, they'll find their killer. 353 00:16:54,781 --> 00:16:56,414 At that particular time, 354 00:16:56,516 --> 00:17:01,319 um, I was involved with an FBI task force in northwest Ohio, 355 00:17:01,421 --> 00:17:04,522 and we had access to Quantico, Virginia, 356 00:17:04,624 --> 00:17:06,524 through our office. 357 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,793 So we sent the tapes to Quantico 358 00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:11,863 to try to get them enhanced 359 00:17:11,965 --> 00:17:15,033 so they could identify who's in the background. 360 00:17:15,135 --> 00:17:19,570 The FBI had voice analysis, but the FBI was unable 361 00:17:19,672 --> 00:17:22,907 to determine who that person was. 362 00:17:23,009 --> 00:17:24,509 Narrator: Getting no more information 363 00:17:24,611 --> 00:17:26,077 about the background voice, 364 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:30,515 detectives ask Lisa, John's ex, about his enemies. 365 00:17:30,617 --> 00:17:32,750 Slaman: Lisa advises that the only person 366 00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:35,386 John had arguments with was Chuck 367 00:17:35,488 --> 00:17:37,588 from the heating and air conditioning company 368 00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:40,858 that John had subcontracted for. 369 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,027 Chuck owed John 370 00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:45,229 some money for completing the job. 371 00:17:45,331 --> 00:17:47,432 John was very upset. 372 00:17:47,534 --> 00:17:49,400 Maybe an argument took place. 373 00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:51,302 Maybe a disagreement took place. 374 00:17:51,404 --> 00:17:53,571 So Chuck became a person of interest 375 00:17:53,673 --> 00:17:55,206 at that time. 376 00:17:55,308 --> 00:17:56,641 Alessandrini: He did owe my dad money 377 00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:58,443 from just previous jobs. 378 00:17:58,545 --> 00:17:59,444 I didn't know if there was, like, 379 00:17:59,546 --> 00:18:01,312 something going on with them. 380 00:18:03,216 --> 00:18:04,749 Narrator: With suspicion swirling around 381 00:18:04,851 --> 00:18:07,051 John's business associate, Chuck, 382 00:18:07,153 --> 00:18:09,720 detectives pay him a visit at his hvac company. 383 00:18:12,459 --> 00:18:14,192 Colwell: He was the guy that was in charge, 384 00:18:14,294 --> 00:18:15,827 very confident in himself, 385 00:18:15,929 --> 00:18:19,097 and he definitely wanted things done his way. 386 00:18:19,199 --> 00:18:22,800 Narrator: When police ask about his relationship with John, 387 00:18:22,902 --> 00:18:25,336 Chuck admits to owing him $500. 388 00:18:26,673 --> 00:18:29,440 Slaman: Chuck dealt with subcontractors, 389 00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:33,911 and he had learned that you don't pay your subcontractors 390 00:18:34,013 --> 00:18:35,713 until the job's done or else they wouldn't 391 00:18:35,815 --> 00:18:37,181 complete the project. 392 00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:40,318 He thought not only John, but all other subcontractors, 393 00:18:40,420 --> 00:18:43,187 if you prepaid them, they wouldn't get the job done. 394 00:18:43,289 --> 00:18:46,424 But Chuck said that John had completed the job 395 00:18:46,526 --> 00:18:49,527 the week before, and he actually had a check waiting for him. 396 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:52,363 Narrator: Chuck tells detectives about a series of phone calls 397 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:55,867 he had with John, all near the time of John's death. 398 00:18:55,969 --> 00:18:58,369 The first phone call, I believe, was at 3:03, 399 00:18:58,471 --> 00:19:01,339 and John wanted to know if he could send someone else to 400 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:02,940 pick the checks up. 401 00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:05,243 And Chuck said, 402 00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:08,880 "no, you have to come down and get the checks." 403 00:19:08,982 --> 00:19:11,549 There was another phone call at 3:05. 404 00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:15,686 John was saying, "hey, can I send someone else down?" 405 00:19:15,788 --> 00:19:16,954 "No, you can't. 406 00:19:17,056 --> 00:19:19,690 You have to come down and get the check." 407 00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:22,894 Narrator: Eight minutes later, the phone rang again. 408 00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:25,696 The next phone call, 409 00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:27,365 there were two voices on the phone, 410 00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:30,635 and the second voice says, 411 00:19:30,737 --> 00:19:32,737 "hey, John owes me money. 412 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:36,941 It's 150 bucks, so I'm gonna come down and get the check." 413 00:19:37,043 --> 00:19:40,912 That call was it 3:13, 414 00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:44,515 and that's the one where Chuck said to the guy, 415 00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:48,386 "hey, I told you before. I'm not changing my mind. 416 00:19:48,488 --> 00:19:52,623 John has to come down and get the check." 417 00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:54,892 The phone went dead. He actually hung up on him. 418 00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:58,896 Narrator: Chuck tells detectives he didn't recognize 419 00:19:58,998 --> 00:20:00,898 the other person on the phone. 420 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,800 He shares his company's phone records 421 00:20:02,902 --> 00:20:05,036 to prove he's telling the truth. 422 00:20:05,138 --> 00:20:07,939 Colwell: Chuck said he was in his office that day, 423 00:20:08,041 --> 00:20:11,275 and he was with his employee. 424 00:20:11,411 --> 00:20:14,145 The phone records tell US that they had multiple phone calls, 425 00:20:14,247 --> 00:20:17,448 so we knew they were at their business. 426 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,383 Narrator: With the company's phone records and Chuck's 427 00:20:19,485 --> 00:20:20,785 statements clearing him 428 00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:23,854 from the murder, detectives colwell and slaman 429 00:20:23,957 --> 00:20:26,591 now look at the implications of his story. 430 00:20:26,693 --> 00:20:30,595 We narrowed down the timeframe from the phone calls. 431 00:20:30,697 --> 00:20:33,197 So now we got an eight-minute timeframe 432 00:20:33,299 --> 00:20:34,699 that we're dealing with. 433 00:20:36,069 --> 00:20:38,002 Arntfield: The timeline in this case is remarkably tight. 434 00:20:38,104 --> 00:20:42,273 We have a series of telephone calls and then, minutes later, 435 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:43,874 his two daughters coming home. 436 00:20:43,977 --> 00:20:47,178 That you can't help but question whether his daughters 437 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,914 actually crossed paths with the killer, 438 00:20:50,016 --> 00:20:53,251 and if they were just a couple of minutes earlier, 439 00:20:53,353 --> 00:20:55,286 if they, too, would have been victims themselves. 440 00:20:57,023 --> 00:20:58,723 Alessandrini: He was shot minutes before we walked 441 00:20:58,825 --> 00:21:01,158 in the door, which is scary. 442 00:21:02,662 --> 00:21:05,029 What if the bus had gone a different route that day, 443 00:21:05,131 --> 00:21:08,032 and we get dropped off first instead of last? 444 00:21:08,134 --> 00:21:10,835 We could have been there, walking in the door. 445 00:21:10,937 --> 00:21:13,037 What would have happened if we were there? 446 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:21,912 Narrator: Working with a timeline of 447 00:21:22,015 --> 00:21:26,183 just eight minutes, from 3:13 to 3:21 pm, 448 00:21:26,286 --> 00:21:29,120 detectives need to uncover the identity of the man 449 00:21:29,222 --> 00:21:32,089 with John the afternoon he was murdered. 450 00:21:32,191 --> 00:21:34,659 What are the odds that somebody else gained access to 451 00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,061 the home and killed him 452 00:21:37,163 --> 00:21:39,897 in that same length of time and was still able to escape? 453 00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:41,799 It really leaves only one possibility, 454 00:21:41,901 --> 00:21:44,669 and that's the other man that was on the phone at 3:13. 455 00:21:46,973 --> 00:21:50,141 Colwell: It was an incredibly tight timeline at this point, 456 00:21:50,243 --> 00:21:52,910 and now it's just a matter of trying to -- 457 00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:56,447 to figure out who that person that was in the house. 458 00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:59,350 Narrator: As business owner, Chuck, is wrapping up his interview, 459 00:21:59,452 --> 00:22:04,355 he drops a bombshell, telling police that at 4:06 P.M., 460 00:22:04,457 --> 00:22:06,757 he received a final call. 461 00:22:06,859 --> 00:22:10,061 Slaman: Chuck says it's the same person. 462 00:22:10,163 --> 00:22:14,665 So this same guy calls again and says, "hey, 463 00:22:14,767 --> 00:22:16,600 "John's in the hospital. 464 00:22:16,703 --> 00:22:18,736 I need to come down and get the check." 465 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:22,440 And that's when Chuck said, 466 00:22:22,542 --> 00:22:24,175 "when John's out of the hospital, 467 00:22:24,277 --> 00:22:25,309 he can come and get it." 468 00:22:25,411 --> 00:22:26,811 Not that Chuck believed him. 469 00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:30,247 Colwell: That last phone call came in 470 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:33,017 after John was already found dead. 471 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,619 Chuck told US that was the same guy that was connected 472 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:37,722 with those other calls from John riebe's house, 473 00:22:37,824 --> 00:22:40,658 so we believe that last phone call 474 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,560 came from the person that killed John. 475 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:46,731 Narrator: As police wait for a trace on the phone call, 476 00:22:46,833 --> 00:22:48,899 they circle back to the crime scene, 477 00:22:49,001 --> 00:22:51,168 looking for any new clues. 478 00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:53,504 Colwell: The girls had never seen anybody leaving 479 00:22:53,606 --> 00:22:55,106 as they were coming home. 480 00:22:55,208 --> 00:22:56,974 We talked to the bus driver, and the bus driver 481 00:22:57,076 --> 00:22:59,744 didn't remember seeing anybody leaving the scene. 482 00:22:59,846 --> 00:23:01,545 Slaman: Where the house was, 483 00:23:01,647 --> 00:23:03,147 it was a very busy road. 484 00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:05,683 We combed the neighborhood, and, no -- 485 00:23:05,785 --> 00:23:07,718 no one saw or heard anything. 486 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:10,187 Narrator: With no new witnesses or leads, 487 00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:12,723 the investigation hits a wall. 488 00:23:12,825 --> 00:23:14,091 You get a little set back. 489 00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:16,560 It would be much easier in a case 490 00:23:16,662 --> 00:23:19,997 if, you know, a neighbor two doors down 491 00:23:20,099 --> 00:23:22,800 would've said, "hey, I saw this guy running out of the house." 492 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,969 You know, that would have been huge. 493 00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,471 But, um, there was nothing. 494 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:30,941 It was extremely difficult. It was extremely difficult. 495 00:23:31,043 --> 00:23:34,578 Narrator: Then they get an unexpected break. 496 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,715 Colwell: I got a phone call from Eric babos. 497 00:23:37,817 --> 00:23:39,917 He advised me that he might have 498 00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:44,355 some information that would assist in our investigation. 499 00:23:44,457 --> 00:23:46,557 Narrator: Eric tells police he had been at a party 500 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:49,427 at John's house the Friday before his murder 501 00:23:49,529 --> 00:23:52,430 when a man came in he didn't recognize. 502 00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:54,999 He told US that there was a guy that came in there, 503 00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:59,537 and he was delivering drugs, and said that his name was j.R., 504 00:23:59,639 --> 00:24:01,872 and then when he was leaving, j.R. Said, 505 00:24:01,974 --> 00:24:03,541 "you know, hey, what are you looking at? 506 00:24:03,643 --> 00:24:04,942 You're staring at me." 507 00:24:05,044 --> 00:24:07,978 And he pulled out a gun, and he pointed it at John 508 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,181 and Eric and threatened them. 509 00:24:10,283 --> 00:24:12,817 John riebe was a dedicated father. 510 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:14,518 He took care of his daughters. 511 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:17,354 But John riebe also liked to party. 512 00:24:17,457 --> 00:24:18,889 He liked the night life. 513 00:24:18,991 --> 00:24:21,425 He, - he, drank. 514 00:24:21,527 --> 00:24:24,428 He used drugs on occasion. 515 00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:27,131 Colwell: We got John's phone to see who he had talked to 516 00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:30,000 the day of the 15th -- when we were 517 00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:31,969 looking at phone records, you could see that John 518 00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,971 had called j.R. 519 00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:35,673 Narrator: Detectives now zero in 520 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:37,975 on a new suspect in John's murder -- 521 00:24:38,077 --> 00:24:40,845 local drug dealer, j.R. 522 00:24:40,947 --> 00:24:42,446 Reiter: Sylvania township police detectives, 523 00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:45,883 when they were told that j.R. 524 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,853 Was a drug dealer, they thought that perhaps 525 00:24:48,955 --> 00:24:50,554 he had something to do with the crime. 526 00:24:50,656 --> 00:24:53,123 And maybe John riebe owed him money for the drugs. 527 00:24:53,226 --> 00:24:55,092 Narrator: Police ask John's friend Eric 528 00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:56,861 to come down to the station again, 529 00:24:56,963 --> 00:24:59,830 hoping he can help identify j.R. 530 00:24:59,932 --> 00:25:01,932 Slaman: Eric described him as a big guy. 531 00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:05,135 He was imposing, kind of short-cropped hair, 532 00:25:05,238 --> 00:25:07,938 well built, and he brandished a gun, 533 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,207 but he didn't recognize him. 534 00:25:10,309 --> 00:25:11,742 Narrator: When detectives run the name 535 00:25:11,844 --> 00:25:13,744 j.r. Through the database, 536 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:17,014 they discover his real name is valynn Rodgers, 537 00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:20,417 and he's been arrested for an unrelated crime. 538 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,488 So myself and sergeant colwell, we went down to Lucas county 539 00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:25,656 sheriff's department, 540 00:25:25,758 --> 00:25:27,658 and we did an interview with him in a -- 541 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,195 in a back conference room, and we actually sat 542 00:25:31,297 --> 00:25:34,765 and talked with valynn Rodgers about John riebe. 543 00:25:34,867 --> 00:25:35,966 Valynn Rodgers was a big guy. 544 00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:39,069 He took care of himself. He obviously worked out. 545 00:25:39,171 --> 00:25:41,338 Narrator: When detectives question valynn about the day 546 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,640 of John's murder, 547 00:25:42,742 --> 00:25:45,509 he says he was visiting a friend 11 miles away. 548 00:25:46,913 --> 00:25:49,947 According to valynn, the last time he spoke 549 00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:52,149 with John was on the 10th. 550 00:25:52,251 --> 00:25:55,019 That was the last time he said he'd seen him alive. 551 00:25:55,121 --> 00:25:58,355 The day of the homicide, John was trying to score 552 00:25:58,457 --> 00:26:03,427 some dope and had called valynn Rodgers, but... 553 00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:05,963 They never connected. 554 00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:07,264 Colwell: From the phone records, you could see 555 00:26:07,366 --> 00:26:08,566 where it went the voicemail, 556 00:26:08,668 --> 00:26:10,234 so we knew that that information 557 00:26:10,336 --> 00:26:12,503 that valynn Rodgers was giving US was true. 558 00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:14,338 Narrator: Valynn also denies waving 559 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,540 a gun around at John's party. 560 00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:18,375 Valynn says, "I was at the party. 561 00:26:18,477 --> 00:26:23,414 "I scored -- I scored some -- some dope for John. 562 00:26:23,516 --> 00:26:25,115 I was in and out." 563 00:26:25,217 --> 00:26:27,151 He said he liked John riebe. 564 00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:29,186 He said he always had the money, 565 00:26:29,288 --> 00:26:31,622 it was a simple transaction. 566 00:26:31,724 --> 00:26:33,857 "Why would I kill him?" 567 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,428 Narrator: Detectives track down friends of valynn Rodgers, 568 00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:40,264 and they confirm they were with him in another town until 569 00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:43,267 4 P.M. on the day John was murdered. 570 00:26:43,369 --> 00:26:46,136 Detectives also look closer at Rodgers' activities 571 00:26:46,238 --> 00:26:48,105 the night of the party. 572 00:26:48,207 --> 00:26:51,141 There was another person that Eric said was at the party, 573 00:26:51,243 --> 00:26:54,311 so we called him up and basically said, "hey, 574 00:26:54,413 --> 00:26:56,480 can you come in and talk to US for a little bit?" 575 00:26:56,582 --> 00:26:59,350 And we ask him, "did some guy come there and deliver drugs?" 576 00:26:59,452 --> 00:27:02,019 He said, "yeah, some guy came, he brought some drugs." 577 00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:04,054 And I asked him, did he pull out a gun 578 00:27:04,156 --> 00:27:06,757 and threatened -- threaten you guys, and he said, 579 00:27:06,859 --> 00:27:08,692 "no, there was no guy with a gun." 580 00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:11,862 So at that point, we know that the story 581 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,531 Eric babos came to tell US that night was a complete lie. 582 00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:18,469 Narrator: Now investigators turn their attention back 583 00:27:18,571 --> 00:27:20,471 to John's longtime friend, 584 00:27:20,573 --> 00:27:24,742 Eric babos and discover he's got a criminal past. 585 00:27:24,844 --> 00:27:26,744 Colwell: He had a drug and alcohol problem. 586 00:27:26,846 --> 00:27:28,646 He had some dui arrests. 587 00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:32,016 He had a temper problem. He had domestic violences. 588 00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:34,451 His wife had moved out on him. 589 00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:36,687 His kid wasn't staying with him anymore. 590 00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:39,490 He was a guy that was, you know, kind of down and out. 591 00:27:39,592 --> 00:27:41,592 My dad helped him out a lot. 592 00:27:41,694 --> 00:27:45,629 Like, he had a kid younger than US, 593 00:27:45,731 --> 00:27:48,365 and my dad helped him, like, "hey, you know, 594 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:50,868 "I know you don't have any work right now. 595 00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:53,570 "You can help me out, and I'll pay you 596 00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:56,707 to, you know, grab my tools, help me carry things." 597 00:27:56,809 --> 00:28:00,110 Narrator: The more detectives learn about Eric, 598 00:28:00,212 --> 00:28:02,546 the more red flags they find. 599 00:28:02,648 --> 00:28:04,682 Colwell: The girls thought Eric was 600 00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:07,317 not a good influence on their dad. 601 00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:10,587 You know, he partied too much, and they never liked him. 602 00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:11,588 They thought he was -- 603 00:28:11,691 --> 00:28:14,124 he acted strange around them. 604 00:28:14,226 --> 00:28:17,628 He was kind of weird, but not anything where 605 00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:20,698 I thought he would ever do anything like this, 606 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,232 like, shoot my dad. 607 00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:34,244 Narrator: Investigators have zeroed in on John riebe's 608 00:28:34,346 --> 00:28:36,647 longtime friend, Eric babos, 609 00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:39,316 as their prime suspect in his murder. 610 00:28:39,418 --> 00:28:41,585 Slaman: Eric's alibi was that he was 611 00:28:41,687 --> 00:28:44,688 renovating his brother's house. 612 00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:46,557 It was on westacre, which is about, you know, 613 00:28:46,659 --> 00:28:48,992 three and a half, four miles from the crime scene. 614 00:28:49,095 --> 00:28:52,596 And he said he was dropped off by his father around 615 00:28:52,698 --> 00:28:54,865 10-ish and picked up by his brother 616 00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:56,667 around 4:30 that afternoon, 617 00:28:56,769 --> 00:28:59,069 and he had never left the house. 618 00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:01,138 Narrator: Detectives colwell and slaman 619 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,773 reach out to Eric's family, 620 00:29:02,875 --> 00:29:06,276 asking if they can confirm the handyman's alibi. 621 00:29:06,378 --> 00:29:08,078 They were saying, "yeah, we dropped him off and 622 00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:10,614 picked him up." But... 623 00:29:10,716 --> 00:29:13,050 During the timeframe 624 00:29:13,152 --> 00:29:15,185 of the murder, he's unaccounted for. 625 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:21,525 Eric babos was at the house alone the whole day, 626 00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:24,528 and so he couldn't get anyone to 627 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:27,564 substantiate the alibi that he was there. 628 00:29:27,666 --> 00:29:29,833 He could have, at any time, 629 00:29:29,935 --> 00:29:33,370 gotten a ride from somebody else, ridden his bike, 630 00:29:33,472 --> 00:29:35,506 or walked to John riebe's house. 631 00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:37,508 Narrator: Through John's phone records, 632 00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:40,511 detectives catch Eric in another lie. 633 00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:43,013 Slaman: Eric said that he had last spoken with John the day 634 00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:46,383 before the homicide, and that he had not been there that day, 635 00:29:46,485 --> 00:29:48,519 he had not talked to John that day. 636 00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:51,722 But from the phone records, that's a lie. 637 00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:55,626 He spoke to John that -- the day of the homicide. 638 00:29:55,728 --> 00:29:57,861 He spoke to him in the morning, 639 00:29:57,963 --> 00:30:00,531 around eight in the morning, then he called him around 640 00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:01,832 11-ish. 641 00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:04,601 Narrator: Investigators confront Eric with this information, 642 00:30:04,703 --> 00:30:07,004 and his story changes. 643 00:30:07,106 --> 00:30:10,841 He admitted to US that he did talk to John that morning, 644 00:30:10,943 --> 00:30:12,910 and he said he wanted to know if they were gonna go work 645 00:30:13,012 --> 00:30:13,977 that day. 646 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:15,813 Eric said John told him, "you know, 647 00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:17,214 "I'm gonna have some coffee, I'm gonna, 648 00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:18,982 you know, see what's going on. 649 00:30:19,084 --> 00:30:20,884 I don't know if I'm working today or not." 650 00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:23,320 And then Eric said, you know, "we got to get paid." 651 00:30:23,422 --> 00:30:27,024 And John said, "yeah, yeah, I'll get with you later on it." 652 00:30:27,126 --> 00:30:29,560 So we knew they were talking to each other on the phone. 653 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:34,431 Thomas: Once you start lying to investigators, 654 00:30:34,533 --> 00:30:35,799 they are gonna 655 00:30:35,901 --> 00:30:39,269 lay hard on that person and start to look at everything 656 00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:42,039 they've said, and they're gonna keep digging. 657 00:30:43,409 --> 00:30:46,076 Narrator: Suspicion about Eric keeps growing 658 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:48,412 as Jamie remembers something unusual that 659 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,881 happened the day of her father's murder. 660 00:30:50,983 --> 00:30:53,817 Eric called my house and actually asked for my dad. 661 00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:54,985 And I said, 662 00:30:55,087 --> 00:30:57,487 "well, no, my dad can't come to the phone right now. 663 00:30:57,623 --> 00:30:59,623 "Something's going on." 664 00:30:59,725 --> 00:31:02,292 And he's saying, "I want my money. I want my money." 665 00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:04,161 It's $150. 666 00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:06,063 Like, why? 667 00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:09,199 All of a sudden you're calling and asking for money? 668 00:31:09,301 --> 00:31:11,168 Slaman: Eric said he called, because he wanted to 669 00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:14,972 get the $150, because he promised his son 670 00:31:15,074 --> 00:31:17,174 that he was gonna take him Christmas shopping, 671 00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:19,009 so he wanted that money right away. 672 00:31:20,412 --> 00:31:23,513 We know that John called Lisa before three o'clock that day 673 00:31:23,616 --> 00:31:25,082 and left her a voice message 674 00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:26,950 and said there was a guy waiting there, and he's waiting 675 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:28,352 to get his money. 676 00:31:28,454 --> 00:31:31,221 Now we find out Eric wanted to get his money. 677 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:34,591 So Eric babos actually kind of gave US his motive. 678 00:31:36,195 --> 00:31:38,061 Narrator: Having identified a motive, 679 00:31:38,163 --> 00:31:40,631 detectives take a closer look at Eric's movements 680 00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:42,332 on the day John was killed. 681 00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:44,768 Colwell: We went to his brother's house 682 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:46,536 where he was supposed to be working that day, 683 00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:47,938 to see if there was work going on, 684 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,273 those kind of things. 685 00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:51,441 It was kind of unusual, because there was a bike 686 00:31:51,543 --> 00:31:54,378 in the side yard there, and you could tell 687 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880 by the tracks in the snow that someone had been riding 688 00:31:56,982 --> 00:31:58,382 that bike in the last day. 689 00:31:59,985 --> 00:32:05,122 I actually had my son, who was 11 years old at the time, 690 00:32:05,224 --> 00:32:07,758 and I had him ride a bicycle from Eric's 691 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:11,561 brother's house to John riebe's house and timed him, 692 00:32:11,664 --> 00:32:13,630 and there's two or three different ways you could go to 693 00:32:13,732 --> 00:32:17,100 do it, my son was able to do it in about 20, 25 minutes, 694 00:32:17,202 --> 00:32:19,703 so we knew Eric could do it easily there and back. 695 00:32:23,008 --> 00:32:25,242 Narrator: John was killed between 3:13 696 00:32:25,344 --> 00:32:27,511 and 3:21 in the afternoon, 697 00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:30,147 and Eric babos's alibi for that timeframe 698 00:32:30,249 --> 00:32:32,149 isn't holding up. 699 00:32:32,251 --> 00:32:35,152 Colwell: He puts himself at this house doing work. 700 00:32:35,254 --> 00:32:36,820 He said he was going out, back and forth, 701 00:32:36,922 --> 00:32:39,056 taking stuff out to the trash can. 702 00:32:39,158 --> 00:32:42,559 We checked both the neighbors that were next to this house 703 00:32:42,661 --> 00:32:46,330 and said, "did you ever see Eric babos there?" 704 00:32:46,432 --> 00:32:49,333 These people knew Eric because he had actually lived 705 00:32:49,435 --> 00:32:51,268 in that house for a while, and they said, "no, 706 00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:52,669 we never saw Eric that day." 707 00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:56,239 Narrator: With Eric in their crosshairs, 708 00:32:56,342 --> 00:32:59,376 detectives get a search warrant for his home and phone, 709 00:32:59,511 --> 00:33:02,946 looking for evidence that connects him to John's murder. 710 00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:04,748 Slaman: Well, you're searching for anything, 711 00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:07,517 a gun or clothing items with some bloodstains 712 00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:09,353 or something, maybe it was on the clothes, 713 00:33:09,455 --> 00:33:11,221 maybe unaccounted for money, 714 00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:13,123 maybe a check stub, or anything that can 715 00:33:13,225 --> 00:33:15,025 link to the crime. 716 00:33:15,127 --> 00:33:16,760 Narrator: But investigators aren't able 717 00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:19,029 to locate the gun that killed John riebe 718 00:33:19,131 --> 00:33:22,199 or any items that yield physical evidence. 719 00:33:22,301 --> 00:33:24,334 It would be pretty rare 720 00:33:24,436 --> 00:33:27,304 or stupid of someone to shoot somebody seven times 721 00:33:27,406 --> 00:33:28,872 and then hold on to that gun. 722 00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:30,741 That gun, I'm sure, is in a river somewhere. 723 00:33:36,048 --> 00:33:38,648 Alessandrini: I'm still thinking it's not real, 724 00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:40,150 like, 725 00:33:40,252 --> 00:33:41,351 why is this happening? 726 00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:44,688 Waiting for answers, waiting for 727 00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:46,256 what really happened. 728 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:48,258 Pretty much 729 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,061 twisted our whole world around. 730 00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:52,529 It's horrible. 731 00:33:54,933 --> 00:33:56,800 Narrator: While detectives have established 732 00:33:56,902 --> 00:34:00,070 that Eric had the motive and opportunity to kill John, 733 00:34:00,172 --> 00:34:02,172 they don't have physical evidence tying him 734 00:34:02,274 --> 00:34:03,540 to the murder. 735 00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:07,511 They revisit the timeline and learn that at 4:15 P.M., 736 00:34:07,613 --> 00:34:09,146 Eric's brother took him to the bank 737 00:34:09,248 --> 00:34:12,249 and hardware store after picking him up that day. 738 00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:14,985 There was a video camera at the bank, and there was 739 00:34:15,087 --> 00:34:17,154 a video camera at the department store he was in. 740 00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:21,191 Reiter: The police detectives were able to determine 741 00:34:21,293 --> 00:34:24,694 what Eric babos was wearing that day 742 00:34:24,797 --> 00:34:27,531 through video that was taken. 743 00:34:27,633 --> 00:34:30,667 Narrator: Detectives get another search warrant, 744 00:34:30,769 --> 00:34:34,004 this one specifically for the clothing Eric was wearing 745 00:34:34,106 --> 00:34:37,274 on December 15th, the day of the crime. 746 00:34:37,376 --> 00:34:40,077 We sent that shirt that he was wearing to the lab, 747 00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:42,546 and it came back with gunshot residue on that. 748 00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:46,450 It was on the left sleeve, which made sense, 749 00:34:46,552 --> 00:34:48,385 because the way the gun would reject, 750 00:34:48,487 --> 00:34:50,854 it would probably spray his left sleeve. 751 00:34:50,956 --> 00:34:54,157 I mean, this was an investigator's dream. 752 00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:02,766 Narrator: After discovering physical evidence linking 753 00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:05,302 Eric babos to the murder of John riebe, 754 00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:07,971 detectives colwell and slaman set a trap 755 00:35:08,073 --> 00:35:09,606 for their prime suspect. 756 00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:13,443 Colwell: We asked Eric babos, would there be a reason, 757 00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:15,345 you know, you would have something on that shirt, 758 00:35:15,447 --> 00:35:17,314 you know, do you sport shoot? 759 00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:18,715 Or, you know, do you skeet shoot? 760 00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:20,016 Are you a hunter or something like that? 761 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:21,852 "No, no, I don't do any -- I don't own any guns." 762 00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:23,587 You know, he locked himself into that. 763 00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:25,889 Narrator: Investigators are certain Eric 764 00:35:25,991 --> 00:35:27,124 is their killer, 765 00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:28,825 but they still don't have enough evidence 766 00:35:28,927 --> 00:35:30,627 to make an arrest. 767 00:35:30,729 --> 00:35:34,431 You don't always have an offender on video 768 00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:36,733 pulling the trigger, you don't always have DNA. 769 00:35:36,835 --> 00:35:39,236 Cases are built a brick at a time, 770 00:35:39,338 --> 00:35:41,605 and when you don't have enough circumstantial evidence, 771 00:35:41,707 --> 00:35:43,940 that's when you may not get convictions. 772 00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:45,609 Narrator: Detectives slaman and colwell 773 00:35:45,711 --> 00:35:48,411 fear Eric might get away with murder. 774 00:35:48,547 --> 00:35:50,981 Then they get the break they've been waiting for. 775 00:35:51,083 --> 00:35:54,918 Chuck had advised US that there was that last phone call where 776 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:57,954 someone was trying to get paid, trying to get the money. 777 00:35:58,056 --> 00:36:01,291 So we got Eric's phone records for December the 15th. 778 00:36:01,393 --> 00:36:03,059 We saw that that phone call 779 00:36:03,162 --> 00:36:06,029 actually came from Eric babos's cellphone. 780 00:36:06,131 --> 00:36:08,798 He called and asked for the money again. 781 00:36:08,901 --> 00:36:12,569 So that last phone call that after -- John was 782 00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:14,671 already found dead came from Eric's phone. 783 00:36:16,008 --> 00:36:17,040 Slaman: That was huge. 784 00:36:17,176 --> 00:36:19,042 That was a huge significant break in the case, 785 00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:22,579 because now we have Eric babos 786 00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:24,481 that's been identified by Chuck. 787 00:36:26,051 --> 00:36:27,384 He said, 788 00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:29,786 "that's the same person who said, 789 00:36:29,888 --> 00:36:32,055 'i want to come down and get the check.'" 790 00:36:32,157 --> 00:36:34,891 there's only one person that was connected to that -- 791 00:36:34,993 --> 00:36:37,460 John's helper, Eric babos. 792 00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:40,096 Narrator: On December 29, 2004, 793 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:42,632 just four days after Christmas, 794 00:36:42,734 --> 00:36:46,670 detectives arrest Eric babos for John riebe's murder. 795 00:36:46,772 --> 00:36:50,006 We went and knocked on the door, and I remember he came down, 796 00:36:50,108 --> 00:36:51,908 walked down the steps, and sat on the steps. 797 00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:53,343 And we told him, 798 00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:56,479 "we have an arrest for aggravated murder." 799 00:36:56,582 --> 00:36:59,516 And he just got up and put his hands behind his back. 800 00:36:59,618 --> 00:37:02,586 And that 100% reinforced that we had the right guy. 801 00:37:02,688 --> 00:37:03,720 It was Eric babos. 802 00:37:05,924 --> 00:37:08,291 Narrator: Detectives are now able to reconstruct 803 00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:10,760 the final 24 hours of John's life. 804 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,334 Slaman: The morning of the homicide, 805 00:37:17,436 --> 00:37:19,936 John riebe gets his kids off to school. 806 00:37:20,038 --> 00:37:22,973 Around eight o'clock, he gets them off to the bus. 807 00:37:23,075 --> 00:37:27,877 And he spoke to Lisa around 11:46 that morning. 808 00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:30,213 You know, John's -- you know, stays in, 809 00:37:30,315 --> 00:37:32,749 and he's got that urge to party a little bit. 810 00:37:32,851 --> 00:37:36,386 So John called valynn Rodgers, but... 811 00:37:36,488 --> 00:37:38,255 They never connected. 812 00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:41,024 Two o'clock, 813 00:37:41,126 --> 00:37:44,995 Eric, who's been dropped off at his brother's house 814 00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:47,597 on westacre, decides 815 00:37:47,699 --> 00:37:48,732 "I'm gonna go over there. 816 00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:51,868 I'm gonna confront John because I want my money." 817 00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:56,539 During that time, before three o'clock in the afternoon, 818 00:37:56,642 --> 00:38:00,110 Eric gets inside the house and confronts John. 819 00:38:00,212 --> 00:38:03,380 "Hey, I need this 150 bucks. We did a job for you. 820 00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:06,116 I worked for you. I want my money." 821 00:38:06,218 --> 00:38:08,952 Colwell: John, at that time, tried to appease him 822 00:38:09,054 --> 00:38:10,453 and reached out to 823 00:38:10,555 --> 00:38:13,990 the ex-wife, Lisa, to see if she would go get the money. 824 00:38:14,092 --> 00:38:17,460 And he was unable to make contact with her. 825 00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:18,862 At that point in time, 826 00:38:18,964 --> 00:38:20,797 John called Chuck to see if it would be okay 827 00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:23,400 if his helper, Eric, could just go pick up the money, 828 00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:26,002 and then he was advised that John had to sign off 829 00:38:26,104 --> 00:38:27,237 on the check. 830 00:38:27,339 --> 00:38:29,639 Eric didn't believe that, and so John called back again, 831 00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:31,741 and this time, he actually handed the phone 832 00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:35,045 to Eric babos, and he asked Chuck to explain to him 833 00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:37,647 why he couldn't come get the money himself. 834 00:38:37,749 --> 00:38:41,318 Slaman: We think right in that time, right around 3:13, 835 00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,553 either John is deceased 836 00:38:45,424 --> 00:38:48,725 or John's going to be dead, 837 00:38:48,794 --> 00:38:50,660 because at 3:21, 838 00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:57,734 Jamie and Nicole find their dad dead. 839 00:39:07,279 --> 00:39:11,247 There's a fourth phone call at 4:06 where Chuck 840 00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:13,283 from the heating and air conditioning place 841 00:39:13,385 --> 00:39:15,552 picks up, and it's Eric babos 842 00:39:15,654 --> 00:39:18,054 saying, "hey, I'm John's helper. 843 00:39:18,156 --> 00:39:19,656 "John owes me money. 844 00:39:19,758 --> 00:39:21,624 Can I come get the check up?" 845 00:39:21,727 --> 00:39:24,728 "No. John has to come." 846 00:39:27,566 --> 00:39:29,699 There's absolutely no doubt in that case that 847 00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:34,037 Eric babos shot John riebe seven times over $150. 848 00:39:37,709 --> 00:39:40,443 Arntfield: I think money was really just the rationalization. 849 00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,746 It was about ego and proving a point. 850 00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:44,013 No one was going to deny him 851 00:39:44,116 --> 00:39:46,383 that amount of money, whether it was $150 852 00:39:46,485 --> 00:39:49,018 or $150,000, and at the end of the day, 853 00:39:49,121 --> 00:39:51,054 what we're dealing with here is actually someone with 854 00:39:51,156 --> 00:39:54,257 sociopathic tendencies who could rationalize 855 00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:56,860 in their twisted mind 856 00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:59,929 that that was a logical outcome. 857 00:40:02,434 --> 00:40:04,234 Alessandrini: Eric's known US since... 858 00:40:04,336 --> 00:40:06,202 We were born, 859 00:40:06,304 --> 00:40:09,572 so it's not like he didn't... 860 00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:10,673 Know US. 861 00:40:10,776 --> 00:40:12,242 We had enough interaction with him. 862 00:40:12,344 --> 00:40:15,812 It wasn't anything like this random guy, random person, 863 00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:18,615 who's upset about something who killed my dad. 864 00:40:18,717 --> 00:40:21,718 No, I'll never forgive him. I'll always be angry. 865 00:40:23,388 --> 00:40:25,822 Narrator: On August 5, 2005, 866 00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:28,191 a jury finds Eric babos guilty of 867 00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:31,861 the murder of John riebe and sentence him to life 868 00:40:31,963 --> 00:40:32,996 in prison. 869 00:40:33,098 --> 00:40:36,366 My dad and Eric had been friends since high school. 870 00:40:36,468 --> 00:40:37,767 Like, how could you do that 871 00:40:37,869 --> 00:40:40,970 to somebody you've known most of your life? 872 00:40:41,072 --> 00:40:45,008 And my dad helped him out a lot, so... 873 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:48,211 Like, why? Do you not have a heart? 874 00:40:50,982 --> 00:40:52,482 Slaman: The timeline was everything. 875 00:40:52,584 --> 00:40:55,218 I can't remember, in my 38 years, 876 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,054 a case having such a close timeline. 877 00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:00,690 You almost never get something like that. 878 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:02,058 Everything played out. 879 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,626 You could match the crime 880 00:41:03,728 --> 00:41:05,795 to the time, to the phone calls, 881 00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:09,098 the 911 calls, it all fit together very tightly. 882 00:41:12,204 --> 00:41:14,571 Arntfield: This case is one of tragedy. 883 00:41:14,673 --> 00:41:15,672 It's christmastime. 884 00:41:15,774 --> 00:41:17,707 You have a father murdered, 885 00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:19,976 leaving two daughters fatherless. 886 00:41:20,078 --> 00:41:22,011 A family was destroyed, 887 00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:25,482 you know, reduced to ruins. 888 00:41:25,584 --> 00:41:27,317 Very, very difficult. 889 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:33,556 My dad was a great dad, a hard worker. 890 00:41:36,194 --> 00:41:38,328 Um, but I do, I miss his goofiness, and... 891 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:42,866 His -- his singing in the car. 892 00:41:42,968 --> 00:41:44,033 That's what I miss the most. 893 00:41:46,238 --> 00:41:48,571 It's hard knowing my kids won't know him. 894 00:41:50,542 --> 00:41:53,576 And my son actually asks about him, 895 00:41:53,678 --> 00:41:55,678 because he sees pictures of him, 896 00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:57,780 and it's hard, then he's like,"who's that?" 897 00:41:57,883 --> 00:41:59,849 "That's grandpa." "Where's grandpa?" 898 00:42:01,419 --> 00:42:03,753 It's hard to explain, and... 899 00:42:05,524 --> 00:42:09,325 Christmas is hard, but we just try to make the best of it. 900 00:42:09,427 --> 00:42:11,094 So I'll always remember my dad. 901 00:42:16,568 --> 00:42:19,135 Slaman: I can't imagine being that age 902 00:42:19,237 --> 00:42:21,304 and finding my father shot and killed. 903 00:42:21,406 --> 00:42:24,240 No matter how bad the circumstances are, 904 00:42:24,342 --> 00:42:28,611 people want to know the truth, and I think we served him well. 905 00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:30,413 They have closure. They can put it to bed. 906 00:42:30,515 --> 00:42:31,614 They can go on with their lives. 71690

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