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I'm Nathan Hill,
actor, writer, traveler.
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And I'm on a world tour to uncover
the sexual culture and traditions
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of people in exotic
locations all over the globe.
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Sex is part of our lives,
bodies and minds,
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our very existence
depends on it.
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It is treated and practiced
differently in every society.
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I'll encounter
the extraordinary,
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the festive, the tragic,
the unseen and the taboo.
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It's going to be
a fascinating ride.
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So join me as I lay bare the
universal instinct that we all share
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in sex around the world.
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I've just arrived in Melbourne,
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a burgeoning metropolis
of over four million people
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and the second
largest city in Australia.
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It's known for its
multicultural society,
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art precincts,
sporting communities,
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and exceptional coffee culture,
which I hope to sample.
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I'm told the people
here are laid-back
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in their attitude towards life,
work,
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and their attitude to sex. In fact, the
locals here refer to this island continent
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as a lucky country because
of the great weather,
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beautiful beaches,
accessible health care,
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and their opportunities
for education.
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I'm here to explore how
the laid-back attitude
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extends towards sexual behavior,
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and how the abundance
of erotic stores,
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strip clubs,
and prostitution has affected this society.
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I'm going to talk
with sex workers,
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swingers, a brothel madam,
a male escort,
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bondage dominatrix,
and even local teenagers
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to unearth all of
Melbourne's sexual culture.
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And I'm going to start here at
the inner city suburb of Richmond,
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the Passion Fruit
Sensuality Shop.
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It's part of a growing trend,
a new type of sex store
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that doesn't hide in a dark
alley behind black windows.
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In fact,
it's right smack bang in the middle of
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one of the city's most
popular fashion strips.
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And sure, it's about sex,
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but it doesn't run
from it and embraces it.
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The manager,
Michelle has agreed to show me around.
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So,
the women that come in are probably women
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that haven't been into
sex shops much before,
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and would refuse
to go into a sex shop.
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And women need
to feel comfortable,
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they need to, you know,
have a nice sort of,
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a nice shop to browse
in and have a look at,
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and maybe not something
that's just about sex,
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that's something that really involves,
you know,
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everything to do with sex,
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and that sort of, to me,
is more sensual, sort of.
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- So, less intimidating...
- Yeah.
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...as far as your sort of
classic sex shop goes.
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That's part of the
philosophy as well,
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where sex is more
than just the act,
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it's the anticipation,
it's the, you know,
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the mind, humor,
everything like that.
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And sensuality, soft things,
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and lingerie,
that kind of thing.
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And what have you
got out the back?
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And then we ask people
to come and have a look
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in our back room,
so we part the little curtain here.
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Part of the philosophy too,
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was that women should
be able to look and feel
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before they buy. It's one of the most
personal products they'll ever buy.
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Can you tell us a little bit in
more detail how these work?
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So I notice you've got... they
call that the rabbit, don't they?
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Yeah,
these are called the rabbit vibrators.
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For example,
they have a vibrating clitoral stimulator
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and a rotating internal shaft.
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So you can use
the shaft internally
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and that generally
rotates with beads inside
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for a little bit of
extra stimulation,
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and then you get a little,
um, clitoral vibrator here.
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So you're getting
internal penetration
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and clitoral external
stimulation at the same time.
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...So,
that's pretty much everything.
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And this is probably,
really where the whole industry
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is going,
towards more luxury toys made
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by really good designers.
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These are all
rechargeable as well,
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so there's no need
for batteries anymore,
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you can just charge
them up like your phone.
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It's beautifully made,
you know, it looks gorgeous,
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that really makes a
big difference to women,
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- the look of it. - Okay.
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And something
like this for example,
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which is just a
clitoral stimulator.
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It just looks so lovely,
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looks like a little massage
stone or something,
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just hold it in your palm
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and you can use it to, um...
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And men like these as well.
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- Right. - Yeah, but just to use
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while you're having sex,
over the clitoris.
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Yeah, it's fantastic,
quite beautiful,
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as well as effective.
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These toys were fun,
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but I really wanted to
find out from Michelle
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what she thought the
benefits of the passion
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for its store were
for Melbourne.
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Well,
there's the obvious physical,
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emotional, spiritual, benefits,
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but I just think, um,
a healthy sex life
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and growing up with a
healthy attitude towards sex
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just probably gives
you a bit more respect
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for yourself and
for your partner.
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And that's going to
lead to better decisions
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and a better
person that you'll be.
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And that sort of
leads to a better,
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more nourishing society,
I guess.
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Indeed,
sex stores have now entered
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the mainstream in Melbourne.
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The leading example of this
mainstreaming of sex shops
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is the blossoming 12 store
empire known as Sexyland.
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In fact, Sexyland describes
itself as a department store
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where one would
normally go in and buy
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furniture or kitchen goods,
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but I'm sure there's nothing
as boring as that in there.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Good to see you.
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- Thanks having us.
- Not a problem at all.
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- Can you give us a tour?
- Certainly, come through.
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Basically, what it's based on,
it's based on
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very open, and friendly environment,
and fun environment.
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So, we're talking about,
um, first-timers,
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and starting out using
products in the store.
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You said that the oils
were a good starting point.
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That's right,
oils and body chocolates as well.
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So you can... That's
chocolate paste,
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- you can actually lick off.
- Yeah, either sauce,
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or this one,
which has a little brush,
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and you actually paint
it on and then eat it off.
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- Cool. -
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Okay, so new products,
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we have the Tickler Treat,
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can you go into a bit of detail?
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Basically this is a range
of dongs and anal toys,
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um, they're made out,
um, of silicon.
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Basically what that means
is that the toy's non-porous
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and it's very safe
for your body.
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So just looking at the
star performer series here.
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- Yeah. - Um.
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Women actually use these?
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Well,
we don't actually ask these things,
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what they do with them
once they buy them.
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Right, okay,
so these have intrigued me.
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You've got nearly
$600 for Bree Olsen's
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Cyber Skin Doggy-style
Vibrating Pussy and Ass.
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- That's right, that's right.
- Interesting,
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so, we're talking... what are
these made out of, are they latex?
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Uh, no,
they're actually made out of cyber skin,
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- exactly what you said.
- Right.
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And it's a really, really,
uh, nice feeling material.
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It feels as close to
human skin as possible.
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- My goodness.
- And that one's actually been molded off Bree Olson
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who's an adult star.
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As far as customer
demographics go,
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is it more men than women?
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Really with the age group,
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anything from young
adults right up to elderly.
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- Okay, really, wow!
- I had a couple who was
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- over 70, so I would say...
- Okay.
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...that's elderly, yeah,
and everything in between.
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Given that the business is booming,
um,
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in your opinion does,
does Melbourne have a
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more liberal or conservative
idea to the industry?
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Yeah,
I think everyone is really welcoming,
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um,
even when I say where I work,
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people are really happy to know,
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and they're really intrigued,
and they want to know.
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And most people are
happy to come into the store.
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- This is much more like a supermarket.
- Correct.
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- It's white light...
- This is quite a bit different.
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- ...everyone is open about it.
- That's right.
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Are customers like that? They
come and they're very open?
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Absolutely. They're very open
about it and they're comfortable
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because it is exactly
what you explained,
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that it is bright and it's,
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um, well,
it's not dark and dingy,
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and it's not blacked-out windows. I mean,
we have
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latest lingerie fashion
in our windows.
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No newspapers blacking out the windows,
no.
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There's... all these items
are basically creative,
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and they're here to help
people in their relation...
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Relationships are really hard to maintain,
so any little bit helps.
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So, what do you think the
benefits are of having a Sexyland
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where people can come
in and buy these products?
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What are long-term benefits
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of having an
establishment like this?
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The more happy people,
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probably the better
for the community.
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I'll likely sell mostly things
that would make people happy,
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whether they're on their own
or whether they're as a couple.
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I think, probably the more
happy people the better.
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So, if sex really is all around,
becoming more prevalent,
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how do Melburnians
feel about it?
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What is the social impact?
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I'm here to meet
with local writer
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and sex expert, Claire Halliday.
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Hopefully she can shed
some light on the subject.
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I think we're kind of secretly,
sexually conservative,
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and we're sort of forced
to live in a society that, um,
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wants us to believe
that we're sexually liberal.
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So we do have this plethora of,
you know,
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sex stores, and brothels,
and things like that,
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but, you know,
try asking somebody
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if they've been to one,
or, you know,
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and get an honest answer.
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They might be there,
but nobody wants to admit
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that they, you know,
utilize the services.
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So in that way,
we're sexually conservative, I guess,
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obviously people are using them.
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They wouldn't be on every corner
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- if they weren't making profits.
- Sure.
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But I think, you know,
nobody's really going to own up to,
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you know, visiting a brothel.
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Are you shocked at the,
uh, information
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that's so available
to your own kids?
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I'm not particularly shocked
by anything anymore,
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because I've
spent a lot of years
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researching different
aspects of the sex industry,
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and I've seen and
heard all kinds of things
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that make me kind of
unshockable at the moment.
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But in terms of my own children,
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I think there is a lot
of information out there
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that, um, I'm disappointed in,
that, you know,
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like I said,
the articles in "Girlfriend,"
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teaching you how
to have safe anal sex.
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I don't want my daughter
to read that when she's 13.
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So,
they're making it more acceptable
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or look like it
should be the norm.
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Yeah,
and obviously that's been sold to them,
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you know, on a societal,
on a broader societal level,
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I guess, from,
you know, the stream
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of sexualized material
that is just in your face,
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especially in the
last ten years.
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We're giving kids today so
much sexualized material,
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yet sex education
in schools is lacking,
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so we're throwing all this
sexualized material at them,
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we're not giving
them the context
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to properly understand it.
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And while we're teaching them
the nuts and bolts of the mechanics
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of what goes where,
I don't think we're teaching them
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the emotional, um,
aspects and, you know,
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how to make good choices,
and respect, and things like that.
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So, Claire,
just on a final note,
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what do you hope your book,
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"Do You Want Sex With That?" um,
will achieve?
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So I'm hoping that
anybody reading the book,
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it might just make
them think more,
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it might just make them
look at what's going on,
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you know,
around us as a society,
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and question whether
they think it's gone too far.
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And if they do think that then,
you know, what do we do next?
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I just want people
to look more closely
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at what we're being fed,
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and maybe question
if it's the right thing,
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and what we can do about it.
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Claire painted
a picture of Melbourne
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as very confused
about its sexual identity.
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But in a city that considers
itself sophisticated,
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cosmopolitan, and intellectual,
is it compatible?
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But here on King Street
in the middle of the CBD,
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there are mega
strip clubs that cater
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to thousands of men every night,
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with names like Showgirls Bar 20,
Club X, Crazyhorse,
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even the international franchise,
Spearmint Rhino.
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I'm told it's built on a long
entrenched party culture
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of after works drinks and
pre-wedding bucks nights.
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Stripper,
or exotic dancer if you prefer, Honey,
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has agreed to talk with me.
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Why did you choose this as a job
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compared to,
you know, other jobs?
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Well, sort of the pay,
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because I'm living on my
own with my younger brother,
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and I have to raise
him and everything.
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So, I just thought I'd start
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doing this stripper job,
it's good money.
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How did you feel when you did
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your first dance live on stage?
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Well,
I felt a lot of butterflies,
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and I'm like, "Oh, my God,
what am I doing up here?
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How am I going to do this?" Like, you know,
you've got so many people watching you.
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But I just said, "Okay,
I got to be confident,"
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and one of the other strippers
that was teaching me said,
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"Just be confident, do the job,
and you'll get through it." So, yeah.
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Do you make a lot of
money in this profession?
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Like, at the end of the week,
do you go, "Hmm"?
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Are you satisfied with the cash,
with cash pot?
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Yeah, yeah, I am satisfied
with the cash that I'm getting,
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um, but it does go,
it's not like...
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Everyone's like, "Oh,
you're a stripper, you're rich."
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And it's like,
"But it does go on things,"
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do you know what I mean? Like,
you've got to buy your make ups,
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and you got to cut off the
products that you need for yourself.
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Do your family and friends,
and I bet this, I mean, obviously,
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- your younger brother, he knows what you do?
- Yeah, my younger brother does.
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Do your friends know, or do you
have friends that have got no idea?
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I've got a few
friends that know and a few
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friends that have no
idea and I won't tell them.
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I know which ones
will stick by me,
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and which ones understand,
and which ones don't.
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So the ones that do understand that,
I'll tell.
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So there is a stigma then,
because there's some people you won't tell
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because you're
scared of their reaction?
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- Exactly, yeah. - Okay.
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And my parents don't know either,
so.
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- They don't? - No.
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How do you find the customers,
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the males,
how do they treat you?
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Um, you get a lot of... I've
had a lot of respect for, like,
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guys that haven't tried to do anything
to me, or anything, or disrespect me,
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but you get,
sometimes you get sleazes in there
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trying to take photos of you.
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- Oh, yeah? - So that's the part
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- where it's...
- On their mobile phones,
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and trying to shoot a
video or something?
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- Yeah.
- Do the customers proposition you for sex
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after a show or
during the night?
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Do you get guys
coming on to you?
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Yeah, yeah,
I've had a few guys that ask,
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"Do you want to
come hang with me?
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A thousand dollars,
two thousand," like,
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you know,
your money's not worth it,
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it's only the dance,
do you know what I mean?
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It's like, that's as far as I'll go,
a dance, so.
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So you don't cross
the line there?
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No, no way.
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What about your
long-term career prospects?
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Like,
do you want to stay here until finish uni?
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Is this the sort of
job you'll keep going?
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Yes, I want to keep going,
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so I want to keep,
like, doing this,
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but I want to pay,
like, help it pay off
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my studies and everything.
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Honey is a dancer at Maxine's,
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an establishment that belongs to
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the queen of
Melbourne's adult industry
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and a high-profile social identity,
Maxine Fensom.
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In a business dominated by men,
Maxine bucks the trend.
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Not only is she the
city's biggest provider
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of private strip
services and dancers,
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she also runs five erotic websites,
an escort service,
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started the Australian
adult industry awards,
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and even campaigned
for Parliament.
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But perhaps she'd
like me to introduce her
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in the words she uses
to describe herself,
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the Queen of pussy.
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Maxine you
have a fascinating story,
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please share with us
some of your journey.
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Well, basically,
I fell into this business,
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and if anyone said
that I was going to work
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in this sort of industry
I would have said,
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"No, I don't think so." So,
I saw an ad in the...
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One of the papers and they
wanted a topless waitress,
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and I, "Umm'd" and,
"Ah'd" for about three weeks.
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I eventually plucked up the
courage and went for an interview.
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I had to show this
dirty old man my boobs,
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and of course I got the job,
stayed there a week.
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And he was doing like,
these like, these lunches,
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and I thought, "God, I could do that."
And I could do it, you know, kind of nicer.
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And I knew lots of men,
so that's how Maxine started.
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Then I started, like,
a stripping agency.
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And then prostitution
became legal,
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so then I applied for a license.
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I was one of the first people
to get an escort agency license,
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so then I did that,
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and then I started doing
lots of events as well,
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like Dildorama, Miss Nude,
Miss Dream Girl, Miss Erotica.
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I founded the Adult
Industry Awards
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which is 11 years strong.
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I've been here for
three and a half years,
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great girls, good staff,
good management,
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all female management too,
I might add.
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And to be honest,
that's why I like it, um.
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But it's,
it's a family atmosphere,
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it's a very friendly
environment here.
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What state is the adult industry
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in, in Melbourne, do you think?
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Well,
I think we're all sort of struggling
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just to keep our
head above water,
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just on a political level.
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The police are fairly,
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have been fairly heavy-handed
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with the adult industry.
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And I think that's the
struggle for all of us
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on a day-to-day basis,
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and just the red tape
and the bureaucracy
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of running at this
sort of legal business.
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People have no understanding,
particularly politicians about
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how this business is,
they're afraid,
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they don't want to know about it,
so they kind of penalize us.
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You know, it's hard when, you know,
we're open-minded people
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and we just want to run our business, and
then you've got people who don't understand
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our business,
and all they want to do
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is, um, basically close it down.
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So as far as the adult
industry is concerned,
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do you believe it has a positive
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or negative effect on society?
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I think, um,
myself it's positive.
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Well, you know, it's employment,
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it's a legally run business,
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uh,
it's run by a woman as far as my business.
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And I think, you know,
girls can come in here
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and make a lot of money
as long as they're focused,
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and, you know,
give yourself five years,
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and make some money and buy,
you know,
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a portfolio of houses
and set yourself up.
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Advertise your product or brand here
contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today
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You only have to spend
a night in Melbourne
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to realize it as an
energetic party scene.
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You see,
alcohol is available from age 18.
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And every weekend,
teenagers and 20-somethings
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pour into the city to drink
and dance the night away.
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Some of them even end
up at recovery parties,
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which might seem like a contradiction,
but I'm assured it's not.
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But you see Melbourne is
also a maze of lane-ways,
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and alleys,
and sometimes it's hard
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to find the right club to go to
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unless you're in the know.
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But luckily tonight for us,
we're in the know
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and we're heading off
to trendy Baroque House.
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What's a normal
Saturday night like here
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as far as, um, meeting someone's concerned,
or picking up?
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- Picking up? -
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I don't know,
there's a lot to choose from here.
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There's a lot more girls though,
isn't it, than guys?
427
00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,200
- At the moment, yes, yeah.
- Yeah.
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Which is probably a good thing,
you know.
429
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So,
what time does this place go till?
430
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I don't know, maybe,
like four, four-thirty.
431
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And you're here every Saturday?
432
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
433
00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:11,640
Yeah, awesome!
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How do you find
the sexual culture
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in Melbourne as a whole?
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I would... Melbourne's
very liberated.
437
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And is picking up the main
thing here at Baroque House?
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Uh, you would think so,
if you look around tonight,
439
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there's plenty of
women here for the men.
440
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And, uh, I think 90% of people,
what they come out for
441
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is to pick up ladies,
442
00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,816
and they got ladies to pick up the guys,
so.
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To have more sex
and have more fun,
444
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that's what I would say,
that's all!
445
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,200
- How you going? - Hi!
446
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- What's your name? - Paula.
447
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,080
- Paula? - Yeah.
448
00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:57,336
- How are you?
- Good, how are you?
449
00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:58,456
- I'm great. - What's your name?
450
00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,560
My name's Nathan.
451
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Can you tell me what you think
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about sexual
culture in Melbourne?
453
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I think these days people are sluts,
like real bad.
454
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Like,
you buy a girl two drinks and she's like,
455
00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,200
"Yeah, I'll bang you,"
but, like,
456
00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,280
it's fucking wrong, yeah? Yeah.
457
00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,040
That's interesting. How many
guys do you have hit on you
458
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when you go out on
any particular night,
459
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- like, on a Saturday night?
- Countless.
460
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:21,640
- Yeah? - Yeah.
461
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Do you think that
alcohol and drugs
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plays a big part in sexual
culture in Melbourne?
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'Cause once you're high,
free love!
464
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:31,880
Yeah!
465
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Thank you so much for your time.
466
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Thank you, nice to meet you.
467
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,040
What do you think about
same-sex picking up?
468
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,016
Like, do you know, like,
do many of your girlfriends
469
00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,320
or yourself ever pick up girls?
470
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I think when girls
go out together
471
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they're more
affectionate than guys,
472
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so they kind of fool
around and that,
473
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,520
and it's just for kicks,
474
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like, they don't, you know,
475
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,640
it doesn't usually
mean anything.
476
00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,680
But then again it is
awkward when you kiss a girl
477
00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,760
and they are a lesbian,
that's a little bit awkward.
478
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- The kind of people...
- I also had a chance
479
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to talk to Darren,
who is organizing tonight's club event,
480
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and ask him about the
sexual culture in Melbourne.
481
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,000
...you know, that's the
environment that we're running here.
482
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,336
It's making sure that everyone
can meet who they want to meet,
483
00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,360
and make sure they can
have fun while they do it,
484
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,336
but certainly there's a
lot of that sexual activity
485
00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:19,000
in Melbourne,
it's just whether you know about it or not.
486
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,560
People are out there every week
and they're meeting new people.
487
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,760
I think people are a lot
more active than they let off.
488
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,280
Do you think
alcohol and/or drugs
489
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,000
is a big influence
towards a sexual culture,
490
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,680
and sexual exploration
that goes down in the city?
491
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,400
Yeah, well,
another great question.
492
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,920
You see, there's a lot of
guys who are into the drugs
493
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,080
and a lot of girls
follow that about them,
494
00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,880
so, you know, it's sometimes sad
to see what some people would do
495
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,200
to be part of that experience,
496
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,960
but I'm think it
does by a huge part,
497
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,560
probably more than we think,
498
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,280
but, um, certainly,
you know behind closed doors,
499
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,520
anyone can do what they like.
500
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,040
The idea of teenagers
bumping into each other
501
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,256
on the dance floor
is a little too tame
502
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,000
for some people's tastes.
503
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,560
You see,
there's a thriving underground
504
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,080
swingers culture
here in Melbourne
505
00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,240
that dates back to the 1960s.
506
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,656
So,
we're going to head out into the suburbs
507
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,480
to talk to the host
of Club True Blue,
508
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,560
one of Melbourne's
longest-running swingers clubs.
509
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,320
- Welcome, Nathan.
- Thanks, guys.
510
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,120
This is where we hold our parties,
Club True Blue.
511
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,680
Can you tell us about the
club itself and how it began?
512
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,160
Well, we started the, uh,
parties back in, well, 2000 now,
513
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,760
so it's ten years or so.
514
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,440
So you obviously
enjoy it because...
515
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,096
The length it's been going.
516
00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:41,960
It looks like it actually
has to be couples?
517
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,240
- Yeah, it's only couples that we... we run for, yeah.
- Okay.
518
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,056
- Just for swinging couples.
- I suppose the history of swinging is couples.
519
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,520
- It is couples. - Yeah, yeah.
520
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,200
I mean,
we occasionally as in singles,
521
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,120
single ladies but
not single men.
522
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,360
You seem to attract
all sorts of people
523
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,200
from all different walks of life and,
uh...
524
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,000
Yeah,
there's nothing really specific
525
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,856
that you'd say that there's
a certain type of person.
526
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,880
But you guys are
obviously comfortable,
527
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,920
but perhaps more
comfortable even physically
528
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,360
than a lot of other people.
529
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,000
After speaking for a female perspective,
um,
530
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,696
you know, a lot of women, they
have body issues, and all the rest of it.
531
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,760
The parties have really
helped me overcome that,
532
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,840
because everyone, sort of,
when they dress down,
533
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,456
they're walking around
in lingerie or nothing.
534
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,160
And no one cares what you look like,
um.
535
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,480
- So there's not pretentiousness...
- No, not at all.
536
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,296
It's a comfortable environment,
and everybody here
537
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,280
- are thinking the same way.
- Exactly.
538
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,040
I suppose, the best way,
for when I describe it to first timers,
539
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,400
is like going to a
friend's place for a party.
540
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,360
All very friendly,
very relaxed, very casual,
541
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,000
just obviously with
the added extra.
542
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,440
- Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.
543
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,696
I really wanted to find out
544
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,240
why couples engage in swinging,
545
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,000
and to answer this,
David and Julie
546
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,480
took me to their bedroom.
547
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,056
Because I think it's
a natural part of life,
548
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,040
as in, we all enjoy the sex,
549
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,560
and, um,
for the fact that you can
550
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,120
experience it with your partner,
551
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,896
we all have different
fantasies and so forth.
552
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,640
One partner might not be able to,
um, provide all that,
553
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,536
where... and then you get
people that are cheating,
554
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,360
and have affairs,
and go behind our backs,
555
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,880
and have all these
secrets and things
556
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,800
to try and live that life,
whereas you don't,
557
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,360
you don't need to in
this sort of lifestyle.
558
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,000
You can enjoy
everything you want.
559
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,400
It's all very open and honest.
560
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,760
So,
if you could run us through a normal,
561
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,056
normal night here
for the events,
562
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,760
how they unfold
from start to finish.
563
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,360
What would we expect if we
came down on our first time?
564
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,760
When people first arrive, either David
or myself will show people into the house.
565
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,440
We'll show them around, um, introduce
them to all the other people that are here,
566
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,120
and then usually for
about the first hour,
567
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,960
hour and a half, very social.
568
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,680
People have a few drinks,
mix and mingle.
569
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,640
We've got a spa set
up out in our garage.
570
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,840
Um, then after that time
people will dress down,
571
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,056
whatever they're
comfortable wearing,
572
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,040
lingerie, erotic gear,
573
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,480
and head off into the
rooms for a bit of fun.
574
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840
Then about... and
after an hour or so,
575
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,960
people will come up for
some fresh air...
576
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,160
...have a few drinks,
sort of freshen themselves up,
577
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,960
and then the evenings
usually finish up
578
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,240
one thirty-ish, thereabouts.
579
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,160
How is it that you
are strong enough
580
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,440
and are able to overcome the,
uh, feeling of jealousy?
581
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,520
For one, we have a very open
and straightforward relationship.
582
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,520
There's no, no need to have any,
any doubts,
583
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,680
or secrets,
or anything like that.
584
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,960
So, for me,
I can talk to Julie about anything,
585
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,056
and I think for most people
that are in the lifestyle,
586
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,920
I think it seems to
be the same way.
587
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,320
They have a very open
and strong relationship,
588
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,400
so the jealousies may be there,
589
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,640
but they don't really, um,
you know, create any issues.
590
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,416
I find that, you know,
they're the sort of things
591
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,560
that create problems for,
uh, couples,
592
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,136
is when you've got
those sort of restrictions,
593
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,560
and one doesn't match the other,
594
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,320
and you're not living
a happy lifestyle,
595
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,480
everything's going
to get in the way
596
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,696
and create problems,
you know. I think this way you can live
597
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,080
an open and honest relationship
598
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,280
that, um, you're both very close
599
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,720
- and comfortable with each other.
- I suppose you're not ever then
600
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,080
worried that someone's
going to cheat eventually.
601
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,280
- No, not really.
- It's not there.
602
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,360
It's actually, uh,
more encouraged
603
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,760
to, uh, have those desires and,
um, fantasies,
604
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,040
and experiment with them, more so
than try and keep it from your partner.
605
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,240
It's really about
encouraging to be involved.
606
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,200
I think our whole
culture and our lifestyles
607
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,520
are starting to open up,
and become more aware,
608
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,960
and, uh,
focused on what we want and so forth.
609
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,280
And that really, I suppose,
610
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,080
attracts people to
this sort of lifestyle.
611
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,880
Yeah,
and we don't go door knocking.
612
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,680
No, we don't.
613
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,496
- They'll come and knock here.
- Maybe we should?
614
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,320
- Well. -
615
00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,376
Thank you so much for your time guys,
it's been great.
616
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,736
- You're welcome,
- Pleasure, thank you.
617
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,176
- Lovely to talk.
- Thank you so much.
618
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,480
My experience has taught me
619
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,960
that most people find the idea
620
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,320
of swapping their partner
for sex unappealing.
621
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:35,776
I'm here to speak
with Dr. Janet Horn,
622
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,480
or Dr. Jan as she
likes to be called,
623
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,200
who's a clinical psychologist,
relationship expert,
624
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,280
and has written
dozens of books on sex.
625
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,736
I'm hoping she can
help me understand
626
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,600
the idea behind
swingers parties,
627
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,240
and the health behind
Melbourne's diverse sexual culture.
628
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,816
What do you
believe is the modern
629
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,400
sexual attitude in Melbourne?
630
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,200
Well,
I think that sex nowadays is anything goes,
631
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,560
and whereas in other, um, eras
632
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,440
might have said the same in the,
you know, 1920s, uh,
633
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,880
nowadays women are not repressed
634
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,360
in the ways that they were.
635
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,520
And in fact they now say that
636
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,240
oral all sex is the
new goodnight kiss.
637
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,480
So, I'm fascinated with how
young people in particular
638
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,280
hook up and have
sex with strangers.
639
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,720
Do you think that men
become addicted to sex, uh,
640
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,736
because it's a good...
It's used as a stress relief?
641
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,640
I think a lot of men
use sex as a de-stress,
642
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,000
and they will go to
something like a prostitute,
643
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,080
or online,
or a swinging situation
644
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,480
because, um,
they've got no obligation
645
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,760
to express
themselves emotionally,
646
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,280
but they get that release
647
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,520
because of the
sexual gratification.
648
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,880
And there's release, relief,
649
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,720
um,
and then there's sort of some space
650
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,400
emotionally for them.
651
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,400
And, um,
then they're on the rollercoaster
652
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,160
because next time
they feel the pressure,
653
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,840
the stress, it's like, "Aw,
what made me feel good last time
654
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,480
was sexual expression,
let's go get it again."
655
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,080
The next minute,
they're addicted.
656
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,496
This is different for women though,
isn't it?
657
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,000
Because women, uh, can we say,
658
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,000
feel pleasure in perhaps
a slightly different way?
659
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,160
I think that, um,
there really isn't, um,
660
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,160
the same opportunities for women. Sure,
there's online sex,
661
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,160
but most women would be
quite satisfied with their vibrator.
662
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,840
...And, um, you know,
even older women now
663
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,560
have discovered how easy it is
664
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,440
to use a vibrator to have an orgasm,
so.
665
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,240
You know, it's like for them,
um, in the moment
666
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,560
they have their own
way of getting off,
667
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,080
and, um,
they're happy enough with that.
668
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:33,280
They don't need
the complications.
669
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,600
Is Melbourne considered sexually healthy,
um,
670
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,200
in relation to other countries?
671
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,200
Well, you know,
we have the stereotypes around countries,
672
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,440
you know, like in Holland,
and Amsterdam,
673
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,560
and the red-light district
674
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,080
just being really, really, open.
675
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,320
And Melbourne doesn't
really have the same,
676
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,280
the King's Cross that
they might have in Sydney,
677
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,680
but I think that particularly
for young people,
678
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,760
um, that hook up, um, ability,
it's happening worldwide.
679
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,160
Obviously with that though
also comes more problems,
680
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,360
more STIs, more STDs.
681
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,000
Well, yes, safe sex really is,
you know,
682
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,520
the be-all, end-all,
or should be.
683
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,600
But, uh,
there are so many people
684
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,800
who also do the bare-backing
685
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,240
that could put them in,
you know,
686
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,680
severe, at severe health risks.
687
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Um, I think that, just,
it's often fueled by alcohol or drugs.
688
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,800
I was just about to say that. Do
you think that in Melbourne that, um,
689
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,560
you know,
sexual freedom or experimentation
690
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,880
is fueled by intoxication?
691
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,920
Well, I think in Melbourne and
every other place of the world
692
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,640
that, you know, once it... there's some
kind of, um, substance being enjoyed,
693
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,560
um, then inhibitions go down
694
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,240
and, um,
sexual expression becomes easy.
695
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,376
That seems to be the culture here,
is that people will go out
696
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,360
on the weekend after
they've worked all week,
697
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,360
they'll drink until
their tipsy or drunk,
698
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,280
and then they'll
have the booty calls,
699
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,480
or they'll try and pick up.
700
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,840
And the one-night stands
701
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,640
- are quite, uh, popular.
- Absolutely.
702
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,160
I mean, I had a young girl,
she was only 23
703
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,760
and gorgeous,
like a little fairy.
704
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,840
She was just really,
really pretty,
705
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,480
great figure. And she said,
"I've never had an orgasm."
706
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,360
And I said, "Oh well,
tell me about,
707
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,560
you know, your partners."
708
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,440
And she said, "I've lost count."
709
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,856
I said, "What happened?" She said,
"I go out on Friday night,
710
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,960
get drunk, and then end up
711
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,640
having sex with somebody." And I said,
"Why?"
712
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560
And she said, "Well, you just do it."
713
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,400
American comedian
Billy Crystal once said,
714
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,800
"Women need a
reason to have sex,
715
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,400
men just need a place."
716
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,216
Well,
if you live in Melbourne you're in luck.
717
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,280
The city has had legal
prostitution since 1986,
718
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,000
and illegal massage parlors
719
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,080
existed for over a
century before that.
720
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800
There are currently about a
hundred registered brothels in town,
721
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,600
and today I'm at the
biggest one of them all.
722
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,640
The world-renowned Daily Planet.
723
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,160
It's so successful
it's even listed
724
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,880
on the Australian
Stock Exchange.
725
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,480
The Daily Planet is, um,
Melbourne's, um, oldest
726
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,480
and certainly among
the largest registered,
727
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,160
licensed brothel in the
southern hemisphere.
728
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,640
Um,
we are registered here for 18 rooms
729
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,920
to be able to use
for prostitution.
730
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,840
Okay, wow,
can you give us a tour?
731
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,440
We certainly can, off we go.
732
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760
- Each room has, um, a name.
- Right.
733
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,600
And we're just now going
to see the Mediterranean.
734
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,760
The Mediterranean.
735
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,920
- Oh, wow, okay.
- This is the largest room that we have, um, in the brothel
736
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,840
with the three, um,
the three beds,
737
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,840
and it has the largest spa.
738
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,640
- Um, we call this a party room.
- Okay.
739
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,960
It is available to just, um,
a couple if they want,
740
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,200
but if there are, um,
gentlemen wanting
741
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,200
to have, you know, two ladies,
742
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,280
or two gentlemen
here with two ladies,
743
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,480
we usually allocate
them to this room.
744
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,520
And what
about the hygiene issues?
745
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,480
Well, we run under very strict,
um, regulations here.
746
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,520
All of the towels, beds,
sheets, et cetera, um,
747
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,560
of course are constantly
changed and washed.
748
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,216
And as far as infections
go and stuff like that,
749
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,440
are the women tested regularly?
750
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,960
By law they're
required to be tested.
751
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,480
They have, um,
swabs done and have to give us
752
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,440
a medical certificate
every month.
753
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,240
- Right.
- And they also have to have
754
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,000
blood for HIV, et cetera,
755
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,840
and at the moment that's
on a three monthly basis.
756
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,760
The Daily
Planet also has a strict
757
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,080
no sexual contact
without a condom rule,
758
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,560
to ensure the health of both
its workers and its customers.
759
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,200
The girls each
have favorite rooms,
760
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,360
you know,
that they're... They like to use.
761
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,600
Some of them like to
use the smaller ones,
762
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,840
some of them are happier in,
um, the slightly larger ones.
763
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Okay, nice shower though,
nice beds,
764
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,000
- and obviously a beautiful spa.
- A beautiful spa.
765
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,840
Gayle seemed a
most unlikely brothel madam
766
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,280
and she had an endearing
sense of humor about the job.
767
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,480
- Mirrors on the roof.
- Mirrors on the ceiling,
768
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,440
they're not necessarily
always a good look.
769
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,320
As you look up
you probably think,
770
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,640
"Good God,
I didn't realize I looked that bad."
771
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,280
- - Oh, wow.
772
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,056
But I really
wanted to find out more
773
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,200
about the girls that
worked at The Daily Planet.
774
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,520
Gayle, how many women are
working here at any one time?
775
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,800
During the daytime we only, um,
776
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,000
we perhaps average six to eight
777
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,520
between ten o'clock in the
morning till 8 o'clock at night.
778
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,880
Um, of an evening we certainly
have more come on duty.
779
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,880
On Friday and Saturday nights
780
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,040
we have 30-plus ladies
on duty at any one time.
781
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,920
And how long would
any girl be working?
782
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,160
They can choose to do
as many shifts as they like,
783
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,160
but we watch that.
784
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,120
If someone is
doing a lot of shifts
785
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,040
and doing a lot of bookings,
786
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,480
um, whereas that's great
for us that they're here,
787
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,560
it sometimes is not necessarily
the best thing for the girl.
788
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,400
- And how old? What age range are we looking at?
- Um...
789
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,320
Well, they range from 18,
790
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,800
because it's certainly illegal
791
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,560
to be here under that age.
792
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,440
And I think the lady,
the oldest lady
793
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,960
that, um, we have that comes in,
is in her early 50s.
794
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,160
Hmm, okay, wow.
795
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,800
I personally think that,
796
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,480
um,
it's a very difficult job that they do,
797
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,040
um,
and I've spoken to some of them about it,
798
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,120
how do they actually manage to,
um, be normal?
799
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,000
- Um...
- How do they function outside?
800
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Function outside... um,
when you do the job that they do.
801
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360
And they have different
ways of approaching it.
802
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,600
Um, all the ladies that I
certainly know that work here,
803
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,480
um, they're very upbeat. Um,
they're happy
804
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,800
with what they're doing
because they've chosen to do it.
805
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,760
- Okay, right.
- It's their choice, um,
806
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,680
how they, um,
conduct their lives, um...
807
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Right,
so you wouldn't have a girl that works here
808
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320
who comes in, who hates it,
that doesn't want to be here?
809
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,240
- I don't believe so, no.
- Okay.
810
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Some of them they said,
like, they really like sex.
811
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,720
It doesn't serve the
purposes. If she really hates it,
812
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,480
it would reflect in the service
that you gave to the client.
813
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,080
You can hardly be really
hating what you're doing
814
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,680
and give good service.
815
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,240
What is the most times
a girl's booked clients
816
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,040
in one night that you know of?
817
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,040
Probably the most
I've seen is 12.
818
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,080
- Wow. - 12 hours.
819
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,600
- 12, so 12 clients in 12 hours?
- Yes.
820
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Gayle, what would you say is
the future of The Daily Planet?
821
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,880
Do you think this is a place
that will be long-standing?
822
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Do you think it'll be
here in ten years?
823
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,840
I believe it would
be here in ten years,
824
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,640
in 20 years,
maybe even in 30 years.
825
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,520
This industry, um,
and there's lots and lots
826
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,960
of brothels in Melbourne,
827
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,840
they exist because
there's a need for it.
828
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,840
It's not like we
make clients come in,
829
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,400
they come in because
they have a need.
830
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,920
- Right. - Um.
831
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,760
They've had the same need for a long,
long time.
832
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,360
And I can't see in the future
833
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,280
why that will alter.
834
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,720
So as they say,
the longest-running profession.
835
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,760
- That it is, is quite correct.
- Okay.
836
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,760
But not all sex work is
as glamorous as the Daily Planet.
837
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,200
Here on notorious Grey Street,
in the beach-side suburb of St Kilda,
838
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:27,360
desperate girls ply their trade nightly,
risking health and safety.
839
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,320
It stands in stark comparison
to the sleek cocktail bars
840
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,720
and expensive restaurants that are
within a stone's throw of this corner.
841
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,160
A rather dark underbelly
842
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,680
to the city's polished exterior.
843
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,136
Of course, it's not just
heterosexuals that are interested
844
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,040
in paying for sexual pleasure.
845
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,640
There is a booming industry
here for same-sex male escorts.
846
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,400
I'm here to meet with Alex, who's a male
gigolo, about his encounters and experiences.
847
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,360
He's agreed to do the interview as
long as we meet in a public place,
848
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,176
so I'm not entirely sure
he's going to show up,
849
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,960
but fingers crossed.
850
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,360
- Alex, thanks for coming. - Hi.
851
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,856
- So you're originally from Thailand?
- Yes, I'm from Thailand.
852
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Can you tell us how you got the
initial idea to become an escort?
853
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,240
Um, because of my visa,
it's very hard to get a job
854
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,240
and get out the schools salary,
or well-paid,
855
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,840
because if I work
in a restaurant,
856
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,880
like, work really hard,
like, we get just like,
857
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,640
uh, $10 per... a, an hour.
858
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,440
I feel like I did that before
859
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,720
and then it makes me sick,
860
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,240
or maybe I find something else.
861
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,640
And then, "How about just sex?,"
862
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,400
because I like to
have sex on... too.
863
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,960
...So as far as
clientele is concerned,
864
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,120
what is expected of you or
from you within your services?
865
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,520
Definitely he
expect sex from me,
866
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,400
but, um,
but we can't have sex like whole days.
867
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,240
Uh, some clients,
they're going to do like a day
868
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,720
or a whole night client.
869
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,960
They just like to
have a good company
870
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,280
with someone, and just talking,
and, like, happy.
871
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Now we just spend a time with,
872
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,680
and just make them happy,
873
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,440
and then just sex just once time,
that's it.
874
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,240
Do you charge a lot
of money by the hour?
875
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,360
- How much do you charge?
- I'll charge a lot because
876
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,000
I don't want to work that much.
877
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,320
And I just up my rate
to $300 for an hour.
878
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,880
And do you, uh,
just work in the one city,
879
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,480
or do you have clients that
fly you around Australia?
880
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,680
I got once,
I'm... They're from Gold Coast.
881
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,880
Yeah, they come to holiday here
882
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,600
and then they ask me
to go back with them.
883
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,080
And in a Gold
Coast for three days,
884
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,640
and they pay me per days,
885
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,240
like, 2,000 something per day.
886
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,640
- $2,000 a day? - Yeah.
887
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,920
And do you practice safe sex?
888
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,040
Yes, always.
889
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,520
Except,
I service my boyfriend's,
890
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,680
he's someone I know very well.
891
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,080
And your boyfriend know
what you do as an escort?
892
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,720
- Yes.
- And he's comfortable with that?
893
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,000
He's my client.
894
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,160
- Really? - Yeah.
895
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,600
Wow, okay, interesting.
896
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,800
Um,
it sounds like a weird question,
897
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,320
but do you enjoy what you do?
898
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,560
If you got a right client, like,
899
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,640
not really old, I'm sorry, like,
900
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,640
not, uh, really ugly and like
still have the good, uh, sex,
901
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,880
or hot sex,
we still enjoy good sex.
902
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,880
But sometime we have to take care,
like,
903
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,480
"Sorry, like, very old
904
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,440
and... fat,"
and something like that,
905
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,840
is quite,
we have to force ourselves to do that, uh.
906
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,480
Okay.
907
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,016
Meeting Alex
has got me interested in
908
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,480
a type of gay dating
scene that exists here,
909
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,520
so I'm going to go and
check out Wet on Wellington,
910
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,080
which has been described as
Melbourne's finest gay pool and sauna.
911
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,000
If you're a heterosexual you probably
don't even know the place exists
912
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,040
and would never
have seen the inside.
913
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,760
We're going to go and have a
look before the doors open for trade.
914
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,520
- G'day, Shane.
- G'day, Nathan, welcome to Wet On Wellington.
915
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Thank you. So can you tell us
a bit about the establishment?
916
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,960
Yeah,
Wet On Wellington is a venue
917
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,240
that's designed for
gay and bisexual men.
918
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,480
Uh, it's a, it's a safe house,
if you like,
919
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,640
where they can come
and enjoy the company
920
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,160
of like-minded men, um,
in an area that, um, affords them
921
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,200
the freedom to be able to
feel good about themselves
922
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,040
and enjoy the facilities.
923
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,280
Our venue is probably rated as
924
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,920
probably number
one in Australia,
925
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,560
and probably within the
top five or six of the world.
926
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,600
We have a 25
meter swimming pool.
927
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,920
We have saunas,
bar and steam rooms.
928
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,640
We have in a theater room that plays,
um, the latest DVDs.
929
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,800
Computer area,
people can come here
930
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,600
and use the Internet
free of charge,
931
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,000
so even for $20 entry
you could basically
932
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,360
sit, sit down all day on
the Internet if you want.
933
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,880
So, if you come here and
you don't find someone that
934
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,520
isn't to your liking, you can jump
on the Net and invite them down.
935
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,040
So it's very relaxed and it's like
you cater for all type of situations.
936
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,080
Absolutely. Being gay and say,
closeted
937
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,440
where you're not out to society,
938
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,760
you're quite limited to where you can go,
you know,
939
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,256
be it a bar or something like that,
to meet like-minded people,
940
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,080
even just to talk.
941
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,280
You can come in here and you
know that whoever you talk to,
942
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,320
you're not going to
get a smack in the ear.
943
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,440
I asked Shane to
show me around upstairs,
944
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,600
which has quite a reputation.
945
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,480
It is totally different
to the downstairs.
946
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,280
Uh, upstairs we have cubicles and,
um, play areas
947
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,800
for people to cruise around
948
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,400
and do what they do best.
949
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,000
How do you say that?
950
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,960
- Every room has condoms and lube.
- Mm-hmm.
951
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,496
- How many rooms are up here, Shane?
- 31?
952
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,400
- 31.
- Yeah, it's not for sleeping in.
953
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,840
Have a look at this.
954
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,480
What about for yourself?
955
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,640
So,
a bit of role-playing goes along here.
956
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,360
We call this a heavy duty room.
957
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,240
All right,
it does look heavy-duty.
958
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,400
- It does, yeah. - Mm.
959
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,840
This area here is
the Suckitaurium.
960
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,080
Right,
and what is the Suckitaurium?
961
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,120
There's only one
way to tell you.
962
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,000
Basically,
if you go into the top area,
963
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,520
shove your dick through a hole,
964
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,360
and it's my head height.
965
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,336
So you just want to have a look in say,
the first one there.
966
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,680
See the hole here?
967
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,920
- - Oof.
968
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,520
- Wow.
- A large group play area.
969
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,560
What's, what type of scenario...
970
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,480
What's a regular scenario that
would happen in in this room?
971
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Um, group playing, basically.
972
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,600
Just people wanting to
get together in a group.
973
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,640
- That's quite popular. - Okay.
974
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Much to people's disbelief,
975
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,920
- people do like playing in groups.
- Yeah.
976
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,200
The difference with
the two porn lounges...
977
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,920
is,
this one we play a younger style of porn,
978
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,840
and in the back one we
play more of a heavy duty,
979
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,960
so more of a manly type porn up there,
younger type stuff here.
980
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,800
We don't, um,
play anything that shows bare-backing,
981
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,880
in other words,
sex without condoms,
982
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:08,160
and we don't play, uh,
any films that show any form of violence.
983
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,320
- Right... - It's all...
984
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,400
So, no sexual violence?
985
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,840
No sexual violence.
986
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,840
We have our code of conduct here
987
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,240
that people must abide by.
988
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,880
And they're written
in such a way that
989
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,400
people are meant to understand,
990
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,120
"No," means, "No."
991
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,000
- Great. - Very, very simple.
992
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,040
We push the safe
sex rule all the time,
993
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,080
although you can't be
there watching everyone,
994
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,496
you know,
it's important part of our days lives
995
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,400
whether you're straight or gay.
996
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,360
What sort of clients
do you have come here?
997
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,040
Monday to Friday, 85% of people
998
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,200
- that don't identify as gay.
- Mm-hmm.
999
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:42,240
On weekends, it's,
uh, probably 80%
1000
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,360
that do identify as gay.
1001
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,240
People that party
at other venues
1002
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,120
and then come here for
a relaxation afterwards,
1003
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,520
uh, for winding down, um,
1004
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,176
or people that just
come here to have sex.
1005
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,400
So do people class
the venue as a brothel?
1006
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,200
No, they don't. Um,
and it's totally
1007
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,960
far removed from a brothel.
1008
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,880
The difference with
ourselves and a brothel is
1009
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,880
with a brothel, you pay for sex.
1010
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,840
Here you're paying an
entrance fee to use the facilities.
1011
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,760
If by chance you meet someone
1012
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,240
and you choose to
have sex with them,
1013
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,720
then that's totally void of us
1014
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,560
organizing it or doing
anything like that.
1015
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,640
We really are running a totally
straight up and down venue,
1016
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,640
uh, for the benefit of gay and
bisexual people just to enjoy themselves.
1017
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,880
Wet On Wellington was fascinating,
but I was about to embark
1018
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,040
on an even more
interesting adventure.
1019
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680
...The
famous French sexual sadist,
1020
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,440
the Marquis de Sade wrote,
"It is always by way of pain
1021
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,080
that one arrives at pleasure,"
1022
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,936
and out here at this little
quiet pocket of Melbourne
1023
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,440
at what looks like a fairly
nondescript warehouse,
1024
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,536
but it's far more than that.
To someone walking past,
1025
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,240
they'd have no idea
that is in fact a dungeon.
1026
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,160
So I'm going to put my inhibitions
on hold and take a peek inside.
1027
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,240
- Hi, it's nice to meet you.
- Thanks for having us.
1028
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,976
- Welcome to Fetish House.
- Thank you so much.
1029
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,440
And I'll give you
a bit of a tour.
1030
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,960
Please do, that'll be great.
1031
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,600
Dominatrix Mistress Emmeline
1032
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,600
has offered to show
me around Fetish House,
1033
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,360
a six room bondage
dungeon that offers services
1034
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,320
for the more
sexually adventurous.
1035
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,240
To start,
we have our cross-dressing room...
1036
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,960
- Okay.
- ...Which is kitted out with
1037
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,776
pretty much every costume
you could ever need.
1038
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,040
- Oh, right.
- We've got regular women's clothing
1039
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,536
as well as the more
fetish sort of things,
1040
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,016
if you like to dress
up as a schoolgirl,
1041
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,440
or a police officer,
or anything you like.
1042
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Someone will come in
and they'll have a fantasy
1043
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,560
about, um, being taught how to
walk like a woman, how to speak...
1044
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,120
- Oh, right.
- ...how to dress, how to walk in heels,
1045
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,040
which is harder than most of them think.
And, yeah, they just get dressed up.
1046
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,816
And, yeah, it's just the perfect
atmosphere to get organized and girly.
1047
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Activities such as role play,
torture,
1048
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,560
and domination,
are actively promoted and recommended.
1049
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,600
And Mistress Emmeline
loves every minute of it.
1050
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,640
- Dungeon three. - Yes.
1051
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,240
This has got the bondage bed
1052
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,040
so you can actually
lock people up in there,
1053
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,960
make sure they
don't go anywhere.
1054
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,720
Um, the suspension rack
in here is very popular.
1055
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,600
But I like to call it
the slave of fortune
1056
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,440
because you can spin
people around on it.
1057
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,000
- Okay, the slave of fortune.
- Yeah, it's a slave of fortune.
1058
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,760
- Wow.
- You just get strapped in and enjoy the ride.
1059
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,560
- So it's very medieval.
- It is, yeah, a lot of the torture and,
1060
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,440
um, you know, discipline is
all based around the medieval.
1061
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,680
Don't think I
want to get locked up in that!
1062
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,560
Well, that's half the fun
1063
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,856
- That's what people come in for.
- You can spend some time
1064
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,520
in there if you've
been a bad puppy.
1065
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,760
- Mm-hmm, alright.
- This is probably
1066
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,880
my favorite room. This
is the medical room.
1067
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,200
It's, um, all authentic,
everything from the naughty nurse
1068
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,280
through the suturing.
And for example,
1069
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,200
you can suture the skin,
1070
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,440
so a man no longer
appears to have a penis,
1071
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,640
so that can be part
of the cross-dressing
1072
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,560
transformation as well.
1073
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,920
Um,
and you can also suture different things,
1074
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,640
like,
you can make the corsets on the back.
1075
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,000
That's generally play piercing
1076
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,336
but that's all
part of it as well.
1077
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,320
Yeah, lots of blood play.
1078
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,496
- Right. - Which is definitely
1079
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,760
an acquired taste.
1080
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,240
- This is dungeon two...
- Yeah.
1081
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,920
- ...which has got the cross, which is always good.
- Mm-hmm.
1082
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,400
Lots of nice
custom-made furniture.
1083
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,720
And this is probably
the most equipped room,
1084
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,640
in terms of, um,
the more pain inflicting devices.
1085
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,080
This one's got the horse,
it's got the table
1086
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,216
that you can twist them
into really awkward positions.
1087
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,000
- Oh, okay. - Yeah, the chair.
1088
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,200
- So, it's, yeah, it's a fantastic room for...
- Mm.
1089
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,960
- ...lots of the more fetish side of things.
- So, torture chamber.
1090
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,600
All of these tools were
used for what's known as BDSM.
1091
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,120
BDSM stands for bondage,
discipline, sadomasochism.
1092
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,120
- Right. - Um.
1093
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,160
It usually means bondage,
um, different restraints, um,
1094
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,000
the dominant/submissive role.
1095
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,320
- Do you have a high pain threshold yourself?
- I do, yeah.
1096
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,400
I've got a high pain threshold
and a high bullshit tolerance.
1097
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,800
...So, I do have to
put up with a lot of it sometimes.
1098
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,296
What are the customers
like that come here,
1099
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,800
what sort of people
tend to come here?
1100
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,160
Well, obviously it's not
just a bit of chump change,
1101
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,200
like,
you've got... It's 240 for an hour.
1102
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,800
- Yeah.
- And so, mostly, we do see middle-class,
1103
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,280
um, white-collar employees.
1104
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,960
I get a lot of, uh,
police officers and firemen.
1105
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,080
- Wow.
- But doing that, they like to be in the submissive role,
1106
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,880
I'm assuming because
they like being in...
1107
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,776
They're in charge throughout
the rest of their lives,
1108
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,440
- so they like letting go of it a little bit...
- Okay.
1109
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,840
- ...in their sexual life.
- So it's very much psychological
1110
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,560
- as much as it is physical?
- Yes, often it's more psychological than anything.
1111
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,440
- Right.
- A lot of the play you've got to be hearty for it,
1112
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,016
and you've got to make sure you
know what you're getting yourself into.
1113
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Can you go too far,
can some... Can a client go too far, or?
1114
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:34,080
You have your safe limits,
and your safe words, and your hard limits.
1115
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Um, a hard limit is something
that you won't do no matter what.
1116
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,640
And so, for me, my hard limits
are anything to do with children,
1117
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,080
anything to do with animals,
and anything to do with scat.
1118
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,520
Anything else is pretty
much open game.
1119
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,040
Now that I knew
Mistress Emmeline's hard limits,
1120
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,520
I thought I'd take
the opportunity
1121
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,680
to engage in a little
bondage myself.
1122
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,560
So, what's this contraption?
I'm guessing I sort of...
1123
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,880
- It's a horse. - ...bend over?
1124
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Yeah,
I'll show you what it does.
1125
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,720
I'll give you the suede one.
1126
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,040
- Okay. -
1127
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,800
- Like that, yeah.
- Alright. Okay.
1128
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,336
You just have to bend
over a little bit further
1129
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,280
so you're a bit more vulnerable,
yeah.
1130
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,320
- Okay. -
1131
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,200
See, that's the way it works.
1132
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:15,376
And, look, as far as the levels
of hardcore are concerned,
1133
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,376
obviously, like,
there's so much that goes on here,
1134
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,720
and there must be
such a wide variety
1135
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,800
of customer requests,
and what you guys do,
1136
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,720
but what would
you deem hardcore?
1137
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,160
Severe caning would
have to be one of my...
1138
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,040
- the ones that make me cringe.
- Yeah.
1139
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,240
We do get clients that
come in and they want
1140
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,640
you to make them
bleed with a cane,
1141
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,040
and to hit them that
hard with a cane is very...
1142
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,216
It's not only tiring for you
because your arms get sore,
1143
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:43,800
but just the fact of
watching them is tiring,
1144
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,096
because you know
how much it hurts
1145
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,560
but they just love it.
1146
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,160
Wow. So this one
here looks quite severe.
1147
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,200
Yeah,
that one actually hurts a lot.
1148
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,040
Usually put that around
the base of someone's
1149
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,720
- dick and their balls.
- Mm-hmm.
1150
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,400
Put their dick through there,
1151
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,840
and if you get
hard it'll hurt a lot.
1152
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,240
There was one thing
that I'd always wanted to try,
1153
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,120
and luckily Mistress
Emmeline had one on hand.
1154
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,640
Um, this is a gimp mask.
1155
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,560
It's used by gimps.
1156
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,400
It's a really good way of
de-personalizing a slave
1157
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,680
or a submissive. And
so we'll give you a shot.
1158
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,440
We'll see the difference.
1159
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,440
It was not the most
comfortable thing I'd ever worn
1160
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,840
and very claustrophobic.
1161
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,216
You know,
if they talk too much you can
1162
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,960
just get rid of them like that.
1163
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,840
Can shut them up.
1164
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,600
We'll put the dildo in there.
1165
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,880
Yeah, now you panic.
1166
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,280
From everything I've seen, Melbourne
has an extensive and varied sex industry.
1167
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,680
Is that a good thing? What are the
benefits, if any, of legalized prostitution?
1168
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:01,640
I'm here to talk with
Project Respect,
1169
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,240
a sex worker support organization,
to find out their view.
1170
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,440
Project Respect has outreach
to women in the sex industry,
1171
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,840
so we visit women in brothels,
1172
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,120
- Right.
- We also build up understanding and awareness
1173
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,080
about trafficking with other
women in the sex industry,
1174
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,720
so, you know,
women will tell us about trafficking
1175
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,560
that they know of,
and even brothel owners
1176
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,040
might tell us about, you know,
1177
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,320
trafficking in other,
uh, brothels.
1178
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,136
Approximately how many brothels do you
know of that are operating in Melbourne?
1179
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,840
There's 90 to 95
licensed brothels,
1180
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,720
and I've heard 130
unlicensed brothels.
1181
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,720
As far as women
that are trafficked
1182
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,280
to Melbourne for sex work.
1183
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,960
We estimate that
there's probably
1184
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,400
300 women trafficked
to Melbourne every year.
1185
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,920
- Right.
- We'd say about a thousand
1186
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,400
women trafficked to
Australia every year.
1187
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,200
And where were they coming from?
1188
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,040
They tend to come from Asia.
1189
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,760
At the moment it
seems like most women
1190
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,920
are coming from South Korea,
1191
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,360
but in the past,
Thailand has been the place
1192
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:59,840
where most women have come from,
1193
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,600
with other women from Malaysia,
China,
1194
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,960
uh, the Philippines, Taiwan.
1195
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,440
Do we know who brings them?
1196
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,840
It seems to me that
there's a link with
1197
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,800
ethnic groups and kind of,
I guess, ethnic based mafia,
1198
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,600
um, but I think, you know,
Australians are also,
1199
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,520
certainly Australian citizens are
involved in and exploiting women here.
1200
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,720
Are these trafficked women
working in these illegal brothels then?
1201
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,600
No, trafficked women
are kept in legal brothels.
1202
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,080
- In legal? - Yes.
1203
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,960
Wow, okay.
1204
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,800
Every case that has been
investigated and prosecuted
1205
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,760
in Australia of trafficking, has
involved trafficking into legal brothels,
1206
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,560
and all the women who we
know of were kept in legal brothels.
1207
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,000
I really wanted
to ask Nina about Club 417,
1208
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,760
the most famous case of prosecuted
sex trafficking in Melbourne.
1209
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,360
So...
1210
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,920
Club 417 is a brothel on
Brunswick Street in Fitzroy
1211
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,160
in the heart of our cafe strip.
1212
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,840
Um, it's a pretty nondescript little place,
you walk past it,
1213
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,720
you probably think that it's just,
you know,
1214
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,560
an empty shop,
but it's a brothel.
1215
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,480
And in 2003,
the police did a raid
1216
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,000
and they found five
trafficked women in there.
1217
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,280
They charged the
brothel owner Wei Tang
1218
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,520
and her manager Paul Pick
1219
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,080
with possessing
and using slaves.
1220
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,720
They were told that
they owed her debts of
1221
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,760
between 45 and
90 thousand dollars
1222
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,320
which they had
to pay off by doing
1223
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,880
prostitution in her brothel.
1224
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,840
They paid it off
within a few months,
1225
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,240
and it means that
they were doing
1226
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,000
about ten clients a night,
1227
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,960
every single night
for three months.
1228
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Which in itself
is an incredible,
1229
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,200
you know, toll on your body.
1230
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,640
It was about 800 or 900 men
1231
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,800
that each of the women did
1232
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,680
before they paid off the debt.
1233
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:56,800
And again,
it's one of those things
1234
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,560
that if you really
think about it...
1235
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,800
it's... I don't think
that anyone can fail
1236
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,240
to understand how
corrosive and degrading
1237
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,200
the experience of
being trafficked is.
1238
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,880
That led to the question,
did Nina think there
1239
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,280
was a difference between legal
prostitution and illegal sex trafficking?
1240
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,200
Having legal
brothels in Victoria,
1241
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:22,160
I think can make it easier
to hide trafficked women,
1242
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,440
because there is an
assumption that brothels
1243
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,800
are safe if they are regulated,
1244
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,240
that they're, you know,
that they're following
1245
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,520
laws and regulations.
1246
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,080
But really, what...
1247
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,880
What shapes whether or
not we have trafficked women,
1248
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,320
is whether or not we
accept prostitution at all.
1249
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,760
Project Respect is adamant about
the harms and costs of prostitution,
1250
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,200
legal or otherwise.
1251
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:46,800
So in order to get
another opinion,
1252
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,920
I've been invited to a
rally for abortion rights
1253
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,120
by the president of this trans sex party,
Fiona Patten.
1254
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,720
On a very wet, cold,
rainy, Melbourne day,
1255
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,920
um,
we're out showing our support for
1256
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,440
the abortion clinic behind us.
1257
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,800
- Yeah.
- Every third Saturday, a group of,
1258
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,936
I can't remember
what they're called,
1259
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,560
something with the Virgin Mary,
1260
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,240
come and pray,
and harass some of the clients
1261
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,920
who come to this clinic,
um, during the day,
1262
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,720
- Right.
- And we're here to show our support for the clinic.
1263
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,520
It's so important that women
have that right to choose,
1264
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,920
and I... you know,
we've seen that
1265
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,560
when women don't have
control of their reproductive rights,
1266
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,040
they take it into
their own hands,
1267
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,040
and we see backyard
abortions setting up,
1268
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,560
and we see very, you know,
unsafe practices.
1269
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,176
Frankly, you know,
it would be great if we had
1270
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,120
really good sex education,
1271
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,896
and that would probably
mean that we would have
1272
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,600
less abortions in this country.
1273
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,200
But they... it needs to
remain legal and safe.
1274
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:41,800
So, more money in education?
1275
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,880
More sex education
would definitely mean
1276
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,600
less unwanted pregnancies.
1277
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,600
I also wanted
to ask Fiona's opinion
1278
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,120
about legalized
prostitution in Melbourne.
1279
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,840
I am all in favor
for sex workers
1280
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,600
to be able to work
legally and safely.
1281
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,040
...Um,
but I would probably support
1282
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,120
a decriminalized system
rather than legalization,
1283
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,880
which is about
treating the sex industry
1284
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,480
as any other business.
1285
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,960
So, whether you're a
hairdresser or a sex worker,
1286
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,080
you have the same
rights and responsibilities.
1287
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,000
What's your take on the
number of legalized brothels
1288
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,800
that are actually
here in Melbourne?
1289
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Unfortunately,
it's, it's actually
1290
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,880
probably over regulated here.
1291
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,200
And it was sort of,
when they introduced the laws,
1292
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:23,080
it was like, "Well,
you know, we want to
1293
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,360
protect the workers,
but we don't want to be seen
1294
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,080
to condone the industry."
1295
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,480
So they set up
very draconian laws,
1296
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:30,920
which means that probably
1297
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,040
two thirds of the
industry in Melbourne
1298
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,960
work... it operates illegally.
1299
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
So, for every one legal brothel,
1300
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,880
you have two or three
illegal brothels operating.
1301
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,040
Uh, I certainly think a system
1302
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,640
where brothels
can operate legally,
1303
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,360
and we have good
health and safety codes,
1304
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,880
and women can work without fear of,
you know, exploitation
1305
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,200
is a very good path. And
Melbourne has gone some way to it,
1306
00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:58,960
but, you know,
it could be better.
1307
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,360
Do you believe
that legalized prostitution
1308
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,120
discourages trafficking?
1309
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,840
I certainly do when it's
well-managed and well run.
1310
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,720
So, as I was saying before,
I actually think
1311
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,960
with a legalized system,
we should actually enable
1312
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,840
workers from other
countries to work here
1313
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,360
safely and legally. And that,
I think
1314
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,040
could be done
through a visa system.
1315
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,400
So,
when you do have a legal system
1316
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,400
where they're not having
to work underground
1317
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,880
and hidden away, you can control
1318
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,280
and police the
industry far more easily.
1319
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,280
That led me
to my final question,
1320
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,520
which was whether Melbourne
was becoming more liberal
1321
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,880
or conservative in
its approach to sex?
1322
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,240
Well, thankfully,
I think Australians
1323
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,600
are becoming far more
liberal in their approach,
1324
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,040
and you can only see that like, in the
statistics about who supports gay marriage
1325
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,000
or, you know,
is opposed to Internet censorship.
1326
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,680
But unfortunately,
1327
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:51,840
our politicians are going
the opposite direction,
1328
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,960
and I think they,
they tend to listen
1329
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,800
to small minority groups like
the people across the street,
1330
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,520
um, and kowtow to them rather
than listening to the majority.
1331
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,576
- Thank you so much for your time.
- Thanks, Nathan.
1332
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,976
- It's been a pleasure.
- Thank you, likewise.
1333
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,360
Thank you, Fiona.
1334
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,176
It's my last
few hours in Melbourne,
1335
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,560
I've finally had a
chance to sample
1336
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,080
some of its much
celebrated coffee.
1337
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,960
The city is modern
and cosmopolitan.
1338
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,480
It has impressive skyscrapers
1339
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,160
and expensive restaurants.
1340
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,400
I've seen all aspects
of its sexual culture
1341
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,040
and it's been a real eye-opener.
1342
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,520
There's a history of
liberal sexual attitude here,
1343
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,200
but there's clearly a debate
1344
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:32,576
between those who
want more freedom
1345
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,400
and those who
want to restrict it.
1346
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,296
And although the sex industry,
legal and illegal,
1347
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,360
is all around them,
Melburnians seem to go about
1348
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,200
their daily lives without
giving it a second glance.
1349
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:42,520
For those involved, however,
1350
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,400
it can be lucrative,
exhilarating,
1351
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,200
and dangerous to
both body and mind.
1352
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:47,720
It's been a fascinating journey,
1353
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,016
and I'm glad I've
had the opportunity
1354
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,880
to experience such a unique city
1355
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,000
with its own
distinctive culture.
1356
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,000
For now though,
it's time to leave.
1357
00:57:26,624 --> 00:57:29,624
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