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She is arguably the most talked
about woman on the planet.
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With over 300 million albums
sold worldwide,
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she is now, quite simply, the
top-selling artist of all time.
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Every female pop star that has come out,
they're always hailed as "the next Madonna."
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Her raunchy image
and catchy pop lyrics
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have captivated fans
for nearly 30 years.
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That was the game changer.
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That was when people were like,
"Oh, my God, who is this girl?
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She is going to be
the biggest star on the planet."
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And her controversial
personal life
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continues to make headlines
all around the world.
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Can you tell us why
you're adopting again, Madonna?
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No.
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Today,
she is one of entertainment's
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wealthiest women.
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Her ambition apparently
knows no bounds.
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She is the master
of reinvention,
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a true Renaissance woman.
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Not content with just singing,
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she is also a writer,
dancer, producer,
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director, actor,
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and businesswoman
extraordinaire.
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She went after everything
she ever wanted.
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She is the one and only...
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Madonna.
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Right in front of you,
please. Right in front of you. Right here.
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Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone
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was born into a
large immigrant family
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on August 16,
1958, near Detroit.
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Her father, Tony,
was of Italian descent,
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and her mother,
also called Madonna,
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was French Canadian.
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Both were devout Catholics.
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They grew up at a
time when Michigan was...
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Before it hit the
economic skids.
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She grew up in a
relatively affluent household.
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She identified really
early on with black culture.
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She would love dancing
to The Temptations
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and would dance with the
little girls in her neighborhood,
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and she'd tell stories that they would
beat her and beat her and beat her,
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but all she wanted to do was dance
with them, and eventually they were like,
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"All right, you can do it."
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And that's obviously a
theme of persistence that...
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I think the one thing that no
one can take away from Madonna,
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no matter how much you dislike her music,
is you kind of have to respect her ambition.
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She was one of six children,
she was the third of six,
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which is interesting, because if you
believe in anything about birth order,
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usually you think it's the oldest
ones who are the high achievers.
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But she was a middle child,
and maybe that had something to do with
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why she was such an extrovert and
she sort of had to fight to get attention.
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The kind of
Catholic upbringing she had
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meant that it was rather strict
with very enforced parameters,
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and there was a lot of
religious symbolism in her life.
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Madonna said she grew up
surrounded by nuns and priests
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who were always
over at the house,
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And, of course, we see the
influences of that later on in her career.
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Religion was never too far away
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from her image,
from her lyrical themes,
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and from her videos as well.
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It got her in a lot of trouble,
too.
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There's a
lot of Catholic imagery
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that showed up in very
subversive ways in her later work,
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particularly and most famously
the "Like A Prayer" video
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that ended up
almost getting banned
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and resulted in a controversial
fallout with her Pepsi deal.
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♪ When you call my
name it's like a little prayer ♪
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♪ I'm down on my knees
I wanna take you there ♪
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That video was full of all
sorts of Catholic imagery.
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She's making out with a black Jesus statue
come to life, there's burning crosses,
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and in her fashion as well,
like the crucifixes she'd wear.
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You know, she definitely was
kind of like the bad Catholic girl.
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To have that
kind of schism that young,
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where you all of a sudden are
forced to question and stop believing,
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and that's one of the themes
that runs through her music.
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"Do you believe or not believe?
Are you a virgin or a whore?"
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What's right, you know,
and what's bullshit?
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Then in 1963,
when she was only five years old,
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came the devastating
news that would have
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an irrevocable impact
upon the rest of her life.
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Her 30-year-old mother Madonna
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was diagnosed
with breast cancer.
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Her mother had
worked as an X-ray technician.
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It was at a time where they
didn't really have lead aprons,
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making it so you'd
block the radiation.
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She'd developed breast cancer while she
was pregnant with Madonna's younger sister.
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By the time she start treatment,
it was really too late.
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The death of Madonna's mother,
she has said over and over again,
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was kind of a very
pivotal point in her life.
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Everything changed
from that point on.
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Her father pretty
quickly remarried.
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A woman who'd actually
been their housecleaner.
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A woman that Madonna detested and
fought with throughout her childhood.
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I think Madonna's rebellious
nature really began from that point.
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By the time she
was an adolescent,
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Madonna's subversive
attitude started to shine through.
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It was an attitude which would
emerge time and time again
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in her music.
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What's interesting is probably
a lot of people would be surprised
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to find out that Madonna
was actually an "A" student.
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Because she has this rebellious
side and obviously what she went into,
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people probably thought she was someone who was
always cutting class and was sort of a truant,
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Rizzo from Greasetype of girl.
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They say that she wasn't the
most charismatic person in the world,
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which is weird because
you see Madonna now
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and you think of her as poised and
confident and she knows what she wants.
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When you're a teenager,
it's not necessarily like that,
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and all the things that people
would say about her were...
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She was a dancer,
she got straight A's,
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she went from a
cheerleader to dance team,
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but no one ever
pegged her for stardom.
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By 1977,
Madonna had made it clear
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that she couldn't wait
to get out of Michigan.
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New York,
the mecca of art and culture beckoned,
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and it wasn't long before she
got the opportunity to move there
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on a six-week scholarship to the
Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater.
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She knew that
she had to be in New York.
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It was the year The
Ramones are coming out.
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The following year in England
The Sex Pistols blow up,
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and everyone knows about that.
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And then you have The Ramones,
you have the Talking Heads,
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you have Blondie, you have all
these bands at CBGB's in New York.
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It's this mecca. It's cheap,
it's grungy.
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She got started the way a lot of,
unfortunately, young women
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had to get started,
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which was, you know,
to maybe do some, you know,
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photography she may
not have been proud of,
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to do some dancing that she
might not have been proud of,
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just really ingratiating herself
in the disco and dance scenes
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in New York City.
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By 1979,
Madonna was dating Dan Gilroy
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from the pop punk
band Breakfast Club,
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and not surprisingly,
it wasn't long before she joined the group.
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It's pretty amazing to think,
just knowing what we know about Madonna,
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that she actually played
drums and guitar in that band.
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They may have been lovers,
but Gilroy didn't pull any punches
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when it came to Madonna.
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There's a famous
quote where he goes to her,
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"You're all naked
ambition and no talent."
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And it goes, again,
back to Andy Warhol.
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He was talented, but no one's gonna
be like, "Andy Warhol's a great painter."
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But he had big ideas, and he knew
how to wrap them in a pop format,
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and Madonna had the same thing.
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But eventually she
decided to go out on her own
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and move away from the rock
and punk thing she was doing
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as a sort of, like, you know,
New York punk person,
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and go into dance music.
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And she connected
with Stephen Bray,
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who was a fellow student of
hers at University of Michigan,
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and they went on
to do a million hits.
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Her big hits like "Into the Groove"
and "Express Yourself," you know.
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He was one of her primary
songwriters for years.
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New York music
producer Mark Kamins
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then helped her to get a
record deal with Sire Records,
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and with the help of Stephen Bray,
she wrote her first hit, "Everybody."
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♪ Come on
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♪ Everybody, come on,
dance and sing ♪
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♪ Everybody,
get up and do your thing ♪
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"Everybody" is still one of
my favorite Madonna songs.
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It's really funny 'cause I recently read that
the video she did for that song cost $1500.
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I'm like, "It cost that much? It
looks like it cost five dollars."
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But it's great. It's just her.
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She's not even looking
as sexy as she later did.
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Her hair's short, it's brown. She's
dressed in these clothes from like Newsies.
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Like these baggy
earth-tone clothes.
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It's just her dancing with two people in
the background, as low budget as it can get,
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but it's like a totally compelling video,
and the song is great.
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♪ Dance and sing Get
up and do your thing ♪
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It's not a very deep song.
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It's not gonna bring
about world peace,
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but it set the template that she
is great at doing these upbeat,
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let's throw caution to the wind,
let's not give a crap about tomorrow,
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let's dance all
night party songs.
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It was perfect for a single.
Wasn't one of her bigger singles.
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I think some of the stuff on her first album
is some of the best stuff she ever did.
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♪ Get up and do your thing
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"Everybody" proved the
springboard to success for Madonna,
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and in 1982,
one of her first performances ever
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was filmed at the hip
New York club Danceteria.
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And now "No Entiendes"
is proud to present...
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the world premiere
of Sire recording artist
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Madonna!
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♪ Everybody, come on,
dance and sing ♪
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That was a legendary club where
LL Cool J was the elevator man,
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the Beastie Boys and Keith
Haring are dishwashers.
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It would go from 8:00 to
8:00 every night in New York,
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and she would just dance there.
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She'd dance at all the gay nightclubs.
She was going out every night.
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She was seeing these cool girls and kind
of able to steal their style a little bit,
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and she was able to mold herself into the
idea of the person that she wanted to be.
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Buoyed by the
success of "Everybody,"
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Madonna convinced Sire
to give her an album deal,
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and her eponymous album
broke the music market in 1983.
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Few realized at the time
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that the girl with
the new poppy sound
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would go down in history as one of
music's most famous female artists.
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It was a disco diva record
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at a time where there wasn't a
whole lot of disco music going around.
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And she managed to write songs
that were commercial enough...
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Co-writing with good partners...
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So that they stood out as songs
as well as dance chart items.
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The second single off
the album was "Holiday,"
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and it really put
Madonna in the spotlight
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as a force to be reckoned with.
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♪ Holiday
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♪ Celebrate
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"Holiday" was Madonna's
first big hit single,
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and it did so well that
it kind of launched her,
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because she got on the hit TV show
American Bandstand with Dick Clark,
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which was really afternoon
appointment viewing on the weekends.
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And is she hot. This is Madonna!
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She got a little
interview with Dick.
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We are a couple of
weeks into the new year.
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What do you hope will happen, not only in 1984
but for the rest of your professional life?
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What are your
dreams? What's left?
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To rule the world. There you go.
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It was such an unusual thing to say, because
at that time, nobody knew who she was.
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She had one hit
single to her name.
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But looking back on it,
it's certainly interesting,
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and it came true,
to some degree.
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The first time I heard Madonna
was on radio, top-40 radio.
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It was "Holiday," and I'm gonna
admit I thought she was black.
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I thought it was
an R&B black artist.
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I think a lot of
people thought that.
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When they later saw the image that she
had... that she was blond and Italian...
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People were surprised.
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Then "Borderline" came out,
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which is one of
her best songs ever
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and the song that
broke her through.
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♪ Stop playin' with my
heart Finish what you start ♪
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♪ When you make
my love come down ♪
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Everything was very
much tied to image.
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I always will associate all those early
Madonna songs in my mind with the video.
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And in that video, I actually literally
found a striped hat that my mom had,
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and I found a bow and glued
it on and put it on my head
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so I could have the hat
Madonna had in that video.
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♪ You just keep on pushing
my love over the borderline ♪
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Madonna's early pop songs, no matter,
like, whether you hate Madonna now,
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whether you are the
biggest Madonna fan ever,
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you kind of can't
deny those songs.
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Because still to this day,
almost 30 years later,
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you put on "Borderline"
and girls will dance to it.
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At the end of the day, that's kind of
the general barometer for pop music.
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If you can get girls to dance to it,
you will be popular.
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There was something about her that, even
now, was what I think I liked about her.
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From day one, no one told her, "Wear
rubber bracelets," or "Dress like this,"
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or "Roll around on the floor."
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I always felt everything
about her image...
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The way she presented herself,
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the songs,
whether she wrote them or not,
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the songs she recorded
and chose to record...
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Was 100 percent her.
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I always felt she was authentic.
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It was completely
coming from her.
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♪ You just keep on pushing
my love over the borderline ♪
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I was, like,
"I want to be this person,"
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and I think a lot of little
girls wanted to be her
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in a way that I don't think girls
necessarily wanted to be Britney Spears
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or even Katy Perry.
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Madonna just
always seemed like...
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she came up from the streets
and she turned into, like,
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the biggest pop
star on the planet.
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It's like the ultimate
rags-to-riches story.
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Madonna's arrival on
the pop music scene
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coincided with that of
another great musical icon,
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one that would change the
face of entertainment forever.
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Right place, right time.
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Television wants movement,
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and Madonna is the first
great female mover in videos.
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They're not songs.
They're mini epics.
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Because the videos are what
ends up people remembering.
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Those are the things,
and they're playing on MTV all the time.
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She would appeal to everybody.
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I remember going to parties
when I was eight or nine years old,
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and every eight or nine-year-old
girl would sing every Madonna song.
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In hindsight you're like, "Oh,
my God. These songs are so, like, sexual."
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And if I was a parent,
I'd be freaking out,
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but kids don't even know that, 'cause all
they know is that Madonna was pretty and cool
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and danced well
and had good songs.
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And ever courting controversy,
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Madonna released the provocatively
titled Like A Virgin in 1985.
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The album launched her
into the music stratosphere.
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♪ I made it through
the wilderness ♪
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♪ Somehow I made it through
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"Like A Virgin" was a top
number one hit single for Madonna,
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and in the video, of course,
we see her in Venice in a gondola.
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♪ Like a virgin, hey
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♪ Touched for
the very first time ♪
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Having her in the
"Like A Virgin" garb...
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with all of those bangles
and bracelets and crucifixes
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and frilly clothes,
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would have looked pretty
silly over 90 or 105 minutes,
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but for four minutes,
it's charismatic.
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And all of those image
changes that she went through
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were perfect for
four-minute films.
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♪ I'll be yours till
the end of time ♪
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♪ 'Cause you make me feel
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It's a really ambivalent song.
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Like, this relationship makes
me feel brand-new and fresh,
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but Madonna in her,
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I guess her ability to
manipulate and be controversial,
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used the imagery in her favor.
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Just the use of the word
"virgin" set people on edge.
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♪ Like a virgin, hey
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♪ Touched for
the very first time ♪
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Obviously there
was a total uproar.
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She knew what she was
doing. She was a provocateur.
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And I think, in America, if you can
provoke, if you can create headlines,
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you can create controversy,
she knew that it would sell.
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She was able to tap into these themes,
and she's always said
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that she loved to play cat and mouse with
traditional gender and cultural stereotypes.
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And that's sort of what
really "Like A Virgin" is.
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A queen of music and motion,
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and every biker's
dream guest rider,
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Madonna!
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There was the
MTV performance that did it.
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The best, coolest, craziest
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VMA performance of all time
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was when she performed at the very
first one, opening the 1984 awards.
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♪ I made it through
the wilderness ♪
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♪ Somehow I made it through
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That was the game changer.
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That was when people were like,
"Oh, my God, who is this girl?
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She is going to be the
biggest star on the planet."
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♪ Like a virgin, hey
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♪ Touched for
the very first time ♪
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Her performance of that
song at the MTV Video Awards
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is not just the definitive
moment for Madonna
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but for MTV and for
pop culture as well.
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♪ Oh, oh, oh
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♪ Oh, oh, oh
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When she rolled around
on the floor in her underwear...
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That's kind of weird,
the way I'm talking about it now,
334
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"Oh, she rolled around on
the floor in her underwear."
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It sounds tame now because pop stars
have done so much more since then.
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Lady Gaga, who's obviously
one of her logical successors,
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But back then it was shocking.
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She just was fearless. Like,
she was letting it all hang out literally.
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I think at that point
people realized,
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"Actually, no, this girl is going
to be around for a long time."
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If she didn't have
that unerring belief in herself,
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if she didn't have that ability to know
what is a hit and what would work,
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then I'm sure it would have
gone to somebody else.
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If you look at pop history,
it's really...
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It's not necessarily who writes the
best songs but who gets the best songs
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and who knows what to do
with them and market them.
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That's one thing no one
had to teach Madonna.
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She was a marketing
genius from square one.
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Within weeks of the
release of the album,
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the Madonna look was being mirrored
by teenage girls all around the States.
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Her lace lingerie,
large crucifix necklaces
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and fingerless gloves
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became the fashion
statement of the moment,
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and Madonna had achieved
one of her most ambitious goals:
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she had become a trendsetter.
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1985 and 1986
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proved incredibly
successful years for Madonna,
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and the hits just kept coming
and coming and coming.
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"Material Girl" is a song where Madonna,
even more so than ever,
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really establishes control of
her identity and her persona.
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♪ Some boys kiss me,
some boys hug me ♪
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♪ I think they're okay
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♪ If they don't give
me proper credit ♪
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♪ I just walk away
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If "Like A Virgin" was kind of Madonna
renouncing her Catholic heritage,
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then "Material Girl" was Madonna
kind of putting forth her credo
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of what she values and
what's important in life.
368
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Because you'd be hard pressed to look at
Madonna's personal life and financial decisions
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and not say that this
is a very greedy woman
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who really enjoys
amassing tremendous wealth.
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♪ We are living in
a material world ♪
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♪ And I am a material girl
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It was a subversive song in just saying,
like, you know,
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it was the '80s where,
you know, the "Me" decade
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where people... You know,
greed is good.
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And it was still,
for one thing, a major hit,
377
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but it gave a lot of
people a lot to talk about.
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There was, you know, a lot more weight to it
than what were typical pop stars at the time.
379
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The video for "Material
Girl" is her... It's ironic.
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She is being wooed
by a Hollywood director
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who's trying to buy her
with money and gifts,
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and she doesn't want him, so he
impersonates a poor person to get her.
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♪ Material girl ♪ Material
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♪ Living in a material world
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♪ Living in a material world ♪
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I never was
the Material Girl then.
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It was meant to be ironic,
388
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but no one ever seems to
understand my sense of irony,
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except, possibly, the French.
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You know, as life goes on,
you begin to understand and appreciate
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things that are not material.
392
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Still,
I have to live in the physical world,
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and so, um,
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you know,
when I said I am the Material Girl
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when I sang that
song in the early '80s,
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it was very... you know,
I considered it tongue in cheek.
397
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In 1985,
she made her first movie appearance
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in a film called Vision Quest.
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Its soundtrack contained
her number one hit single
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"Crazy For You."
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♪ Swaying room
as the music starts ♪
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"Crazy For You." My friend lost
her virginity to "Crazy For You."
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Not me. My friend.
404
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♪ ...bodies become one
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Madonna recorded
"Crazy For You" in 1985,
406
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and it was for a film that no one
remembers called Vision Quest,
407
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and that was notable 'cause
it was her second big single
408
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but also 'cause it
was her first ballad.
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♪ What I'm dyin' to say
is that I'm crazy for you ♪
410
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I don't think a lot of people,
especially who knew her from the early hits
411
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like "Holiday" and "Lucky Star"
thought she'd ever go into ballads.
412
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I mean, let's face it,
she's not Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey.
413
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She's not known for having great vocals,
compared to some of the other pop divas,
414
00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,131
but it did open
the doors for her.
415
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I think it was a different
Madonna than we expected.
416
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She wasn't this kind
of pop provocateur.
417
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Rather she was singing this heartfelt
ballad where this kind of unrequited love.
418
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♪ Because I'm crazy for you
419
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♪ Touch me once and
you'll know it's true ♪
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♪ I never wanted...
There's something
421
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about her vocals, I think,
that she was able to convey emotion.
422
00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:55,939
You know, she is, you know...
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She might be capable of being one of
the unemotional people on the planet,
424
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but I think when it comes
time to go into the vocal booth,
425
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she knows how to kind of get that kind of
mixture of yearning or regret or sentiment,
426
00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,301
and she knows
how to wring it out.
427
00:23:10,432 --> 00:23:14,218
♪ I'm crazy for you
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♪ Crazy for you, baby
429
00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:20,790
And, again, it just established her as
something more than just a one-trick pony,
430
00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:24,533
some who could be versatile and have different
types of music and different types of looks
431
00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:28,494
and was gonna
have a lasting career.
432
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And then came the low-budget motion
picture Desperately Seeking Susan,
433
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a film theNew York Times called
one of the top ten movies of the year.
434
00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:40,680
Prince had just done Purple
Rain. It was a massive hit.
435
00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:44,248
Obviously the logical extension is Madonna
was the closest thing to a female Prince,
436
00:23:44,379 --> 00:23:46,076
let's make her a movie star.
437
00:23:46,207 --> 00:23:49,036
The Susan character
was clearly a Madonna character.
438
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:51,366
She actually doesn't have
that huge a part in the movie,
439
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,302
but when she is on the screen,
she lights it up.
440
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She's just like so raw and
so earthy and so sexual
441
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,790
and just so real and, like, you know,
just a girl that guys would lust after,
442
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but like a girl you might actually
know from around the way.
443
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So different from her image now.
444
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The Madonna we know now
would not be blow-drying her armpits
445
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or, you know,
putting her feet up on the chair
446
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while she eats popcorn with
her mouth open at the movie.
447
00:24:17,499 --> 00:24:21,242
She was just, like, not a very
classy girl but a very cool girl.
448
00:24:21,372 --> 00:24:24,375
And I will tell you that the idea
of having an iconic leather jacket
449
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that you wear everywhere...
450
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I spent years trying to find
the perfect leather jacket for me,
451
00:24:28,728 --> 00:24:31,644
and it completely came from
the the fact that... it wasn't Fonzie.
452
00:24:31,774 --> 00:24:36,344
It was the fact that Madonna had
this perfect jacket in that movie.
453
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For me, at least, and for a lot of
girls who grew up with Madonna,
454
00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:44,265
it was so much about her style,
and she just had the cool style.
455
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Anything she wore, I bought,
or I would go into my mom's closet
456
00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:51,054
and then cut up with scissors to make
look like something Madonna wore.
457
00:24:51,185 --> 00:24:55,232
And in that movie,
the defined early iconic Madonna style,
458
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the Wayfarer glasses,
the huge hair with the bow,
459
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the cool jacket, the layered,
tattered clothes...
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00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:05,678
The idea that she just sort of,
like, took her entire suitcase
461
00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:10,509
and it vomited on her, and here she is in all
these layers of clothes and she looks amazing.
462
00:25:10,639 --> 00:25:14,121
It definitely came from that movie, and
it definitely established her as an icon,
463
00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:17,864
I think a fashion icon as
well as just an all-around star.
464
00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:21,993
It also produces
the song "Into the Groove."
465
00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:24,261
Becomes another
one of her huge hits,
466
00:25:24,392 --> 00:25:28,483
and it's kind of one of her last New
Wavey kind of freestyle kind of songs,
467
00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:30,311
but it's a catchy dance smash.
468
00:25:32,139 --> 00:25:34,402
♪ Get into the groove
469
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:40,234
♪ Boy, you've got to prove your love to me,
yeah ♪
470
00:25:40,364 --> 00:25:43,367
It did point, I guess,
to her disco background.
471
00:25:43,498 --> 00:25:45,718
It's not a disco song per se,
472
00:25:45,848 --> 00:25:50,244
but it's a song that, you know,
it's about dancing that's a dance song.
473
00:25:50,374 --> 00:25:55,902
So that always plays well,
and it really tied into the movie itself.
474
00:25:56,032 --> 00:25:59,819
♪ We might be lovers
if the rhythm's right ♪
475
00:25:59,949 --> 00:26:01,864
Another Stephen
Bray collaboration.
476
00:26:01,995 --> 00:26:04,911
It's just like a
perfect dance song.
477
00:26:05,041 --> 00:26:09,350
If I hear that anywhere, I will stop what I'm
doing and dance to it. I'm not exaggerating.
478
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,135
To me, it's up there with some
of the best Michael Jackson songs
479
00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,374
like "Rock With You" and
"Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough."
480
00:26:14,398 --> 00:26:16,923
It's not deep; it's a
song about let's dance,
481
00:26:17,053 --> 00:26:20,143
but sometimes all you need is
the perfect Saturday night club song.
482
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,453
Never short of admirers,
483
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:29,631
Madonna had always had a
preference for sexy dark men.
484
00:26:29,762 --> 00:26:33,896
In the past, she had dated the likes
of graffiti artist Jean-Michel Basquiat.
485
00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:38,335
But in 1985,
486
00:26:38,466 --> 00:26:41,164
she really got the
gossip columnists going
487
00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:45,168
when she hooked up with one of the movie
world's most controversial young actors,
488
00:26:45,299 --> 00:26:47,083
Sean Penn.
489
00:26:47,214 --> 00:26:49,216
Amidst a blaze of publicity,
490
00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:53,437
she married Penn on August 16,
1985.
491
00:26:53,568 --> 00:26:59,095
At the time, the couple personified all
that was cool and cutting edge in Hollywood.
492
00:26:59,226 --> 00:27:02,446
They'd become,
in the nicest possible sense of the word,
493
00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:04,231
a freak show.
494
00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:07,234
Their wedding was
covered by helicopter.
495
00:27:07,364 --> 00:27:11,934
Now, usually people are just
worried about wedding crashers.
496
00:27:12,065 --> 00:27:14,023
You and me on the street,
we get married.
497
00:27:14,154 --> 00:27:16,547
We don't want people to
come in that we don't know.
498
00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:19,115
Wait a minute. We
don't look to the skies.
499
00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:24,991
Madonna's career continued
to go from strength to strength,
500
00:27:25,121 --> 00:27:27,384
and true to form,
she continued to shock
501
00:27:27,515 --> 00:27:30,866
with her latest controversial
hit "Papa Don't Preach."
502
00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:35,566
♪ Papa,
I know you're going to be upset ♪
503
00:27:35,697 --> 00:27:39,919
♪ 'Cause I was
always your little girl ♪
504
00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:42,356
"Papa Don't Preach"
was a message,
505
00:27:42,486 --> 00:27:46,012
an open letter, really, I think,
from Madonna to her father.
506
00:27:46,142 --> 00:27:48,231
You know,
the whole thing was about this young girl
507
00:27:48,362 --> 00:27:51,582
who'd sort of gotten herself in
trouble sexually, had gotten pregnant
508
00:27:51,713 --> 00:27:53,541
and was having this
argument with her dad
509
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,762
about the fact that she didn't want to
give the baby up or have an abortion.
510
00:27:56,892 --> 00:27:58,372
She was going to keep her baby.
511
00:27:58,502 --> 00:28:03,159
♪ Please,
Papa don't preach I'm in trouble deep ♪
512
00:28:03,290 --> 00:28:07,381
♪ Papa don't preach
I been losin' sleep ♪
513
00:28:07,511 --> 00:28:11,080
In 2012, you know,
abortion is still a hot-button topic.
514
00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:16,303
Some people don't want to touch it, so just
imagine what it was like in the mid-'80s
515
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:20,611
to have a song which message was,
you know, I'm keeping my baby.
516
00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:25,225
♪ I'm keepin' my baby
517
00:28:25,355 --> 00:28:27,053
It got mixed reactions.
518
00:28:27,183 --> 00:28:29,343
There were family groups
that praised the song, saying,
519
00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:32,449
"Okay, you know, Madonna is
preaching taking responsibility."
520
00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:35,626
Not having an abortion or
giving up your baby for adoption,
521
00:28:35,757 --> 00:28:37,846
but if you get pregnant,
doing the "right thing"
522
00:28:37,977 --> 00:28:40,457
and marrying your boyfriend
and raising the baby.
523
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:43,417
Other people said, "No,
this is glamorizing teen pregnancy."
524
00:28:43,547 --> 00:28:45,636
She couldn't win, you know?
525
00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:48,814
♪ He says that he's
going to marry me ♪
526
00:28:48,944 --> 00:28:52,034
It's really just a
Romeo and Juliet song,
527
00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:55,298
but she's able to kind of
put it in an '80s context.
528
00:28:55,429 --> 00:28:59,085
She wasn't writing a, you know,
Janis Joplin kind of song.
529
00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:02,610
She's writing these songs that
appeal to American teenage girls.
530
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:05,874
Madonna
dedicated this song to the Pope,
531
00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:10,096
which, as you can imagine, caused
all kinds of headlines around the world.
532
00:29:10,226 --> 00:29:15,144
Up until now she'd kind of been less,
perhaps not subtly, but taking digs at them
533
00:29:15,275 --> 00:29:18,321
with "Like A Virgin" and some
of her Catholic iconography,
534
00:29:18,452 --> 00:29:22,499
but this was kind of an open,
all-out declaration of war.
535
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:25,546
In the video, she was
very toned. She had a different look.
536
00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:30,116
She'd cut off her hair and it was very short
and blond and she looked very sophisticated.
537
00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:33,815
Sort of that boy toy look that
she had before was going away.
538
00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:35,793
It was sort of the first time
we really saw Madonna
539
00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:40,343
have one of her million persona
changes and body changes.
540
00:29:40,474 --> 00:29:43,694
Madonna's wearing
this very provocative black bustier
541
00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:47,698
and kind of bouncing around
quite a bit in this sexy outfit.
542
00:29:47,829 --> 00:29:50,136
I was told that this
is when Guy Ritchie
543
00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:53,400
actually started to develop
a bit of a crush on Madonna,
544
00:29:53,530 --> 00:29:57,317
and he used to watch this
video again and again and again,
545
00:29:57,447 --> 00:29:59,493
saying, you know,
"God, she's so hot."
546
00:29:59,623 --> 00:30:03,062
So, ironically,
he later ended up marrying her,
547
00:30:03,192 --> 00:30:07,893
but it was in that music video that he
first, I think, started to really fancy her.
548
00:30:12,158 --> 00:30:15,291
Her career continued
with the release in 1986
549
00:30:15,422 --> 00:30:16,902
ofShanghai Surprise,
550
00:30:17,032 --> 00:30:20,079
co-starring her
husband Sean Penn.
551
00:30:20,209 --> 00:30:22,472
Penn's popularity in
Hollywood had suggested
552
00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:25,084
that the movie would
be a huge success,
553
00:30:25,214 --> 00:30:27,956
but the reality
was very different.
554
00:30:28,087 --> 00:30:29,967
Desperately
Seeking Susan was a hit.
555
00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:32,265
It gave us the number one song,
"Into the Groove."
556
00:30:32,395 --> 00:30:36,095
You would have thought,
"Wow, film career awaits."
557
00:30:36,225 --> 00:30:37,531
Nope. Duds.
558
00:30:37,661 --> 00:30:39,750
Shanghai Surprise.
559
00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:43,537
I would say that's Madonna's
first lead movie, and, um,
560
00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:46,366
that generally was
not received very well.
561
00:30:46,496 --> 00:30:52,372
You know, a lot of people wanted to do
whatever they could to bring Madonna down.
562
00:30:52,502 --> 00:30:55,418
The fact that Shanghai Surprise
was not a good movie at all
563
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:57,768
allowed people to kind of
take their shots at Madonna.
564
00:30:57,899 --> 00:31:02,512
And then a New York Times film critic,
Vincent Canby...
565
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:07,996
wrote the nail in the headpiece,
which was,
566
00:31:08,127 --> 00:31:10,607
"Madonna has already
made her great films,
567
00:31:10,738 --> 00:31:12,435
and they are all
four minutes long."
568
00:31:16,178 --> 00:31:21,096
The movie had raised all kinds of
differences, both personal and artistic,
569
00:31:21,227 --> 00:31:23,620
between Madonna and Sean,
570
00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:26,536
and it was around this time
that news started to leak out
571
00:31:26,667 --> 00:31:28,582
that the marriage
was in deep trouble.
572
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:34,022
When she
got together with Sean Penn,
573
00:31:34,153 --> 00:31:36,764
I didn't think it was forever,
because we'd already known
574
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,898
that she'd been through a number
of men on her rise to the top.
575
00:31:40,028 --> 00:31:45,033
Sean was incredibly aggressive
and violent at that point in his life.
576
00:31:45,164 --> 00:31:51,213
Madonna has actually admitted or it's been
reported that he tied her up at one point,
577
00:31:51,344 --> 00:31:53,607
you know,
threatened her with a baseball bat.
578
00:31:53,737 --> 00:31:56,827
There had been all kinds of
unsubstantiated rumors that he hit her,
579
00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:59,221
that he was violent
in the relationship.
580
00:31:59,352 --> 00:32:03,443
It was a very ugly
relationship at points,
581
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:06,359
and I think Madonna who,
you know, loves to provoke,
582
00:32:06,489 --> 00:32:09,753
loves to probably fight in
her personal relationships,
583
00:32:09,884 --> 00:32:15,020
was like a match to a flame
when it came to Sean Penn,
584
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,413
who had very much
an out of control temper.
585
00:32:19,807 --> 00:32:21,247
The marriage between
Madonna and Sean
586
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:24,072
had lasted just over two years.
587
00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:29,077
Madonna later
admitted at that time,
588
00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:32,080
"I was completely
obsessed with my career
589
00:32:32,211 --> 00:32:35,170
and not ready to be
generous in any shape or form."
590
00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:40,262
Her next big hit
was "Like a Prayer."
591
00:32:40,393 --> 00:32:45,180
♪ Life is a mystery
592
00:32:45,311 --> 00:32:47,574
♪ Everyone must stand alone
593
00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:51,143
Once again, it incorporated
all the religious iconography
594
00:32:51,273 --> 00:32:54,537
and references to
her Catholic religion.
595
00:32:54,668 --> 00:32:58,715
♪ When you call my
name it's like a little prayer ♪
596
00:32:58,846 --> 00:33:03,720
♪ I'm down on my knees
I wanna take you there ♪
597
00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:07,202
And once again,
it caused controversy everywhere.
598
00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:08,853
This is an example of, you know,
599
00:33:08,899 --> 00:33:11,815
She had gone from being "Like a
Virgin" performing at the MTV Awards
600
00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:14,601
and shocking and
scaring America,
601
00:33:14,731 --> 00:33:18,909
and America loved her for it,
this controversial kind of icon.
602
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,477
By 1989,
Pepsi's giving her commercial deals.
603
00:33:21,608 --> 00:33:23,847
She's already starting to become
absorbed in the mainstream.
604
00:33:23,871 --> 00:33:28,397
But "Like a Prayer" ends up
having this kind of interracial video
605
00:33:28,528 --> 00:33:30,158
and there was like
burning crosses in the south
606
00:33:30,182 --> 00:33:32,488
and there was like
ideas of Ku Klux Klan.
607
00:33:32,619 --> 00:33:34,664
♪ Just like a dream
608
00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,971
♪ You are not what you seem
609
00:33:37,102 --> 00:33:38,886
♪ Just like a prayer
610
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:42,107
♪ No choice,
your voice can take me there ♪
611
00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:44,065
♪ Just like a prayer
I'll take you there ♪
612
00:33:44,196 --> 00:33:46,459
Like I said,
she's a provocateur.
613
00:33:46,589 --> 00:33:50,419
No matter what the taboo was, she would've
tried to break it whether it was right or wrong.
614
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:55,294
♪ You're here with
me It's like a dream ♪
615
00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:58,471
♪ Let the choir sing
616
00:33:58,601 --> 00:34:02,779
♪ When you call my
name it's like a little prayer ♪
617
00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:05,739
It was so shocking to a lot of
people that Pepsi got shell-shocked
618
00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:08,176
and wanted to
cancel the contract.
619
00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:10,352
She never had anyone
feeling too comfortable.
620
00:34:10,483 --> 00:34:12,180
And I think as her
career has progressed,
621
00:34:12,311 --> 00:34:17,533
I think that's been the problem of
why she's had trouble being this figure.
622
00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:21,755
At a certain point,
you break every single taboo,
623
00:34:21,885 --> 00:34:23,409
there's nothing left to shock.
624
00:34:25,019 --> 00:34:27,500
♪ It's like a dream to me
625
00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:29,415
For the first
15 years of her career,
626
00:34:29,545 --> 00:34:32,026
there was nobody that could
bottle up that combination
627
00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:37,423
of these different themes of sex
and lust and rebellion and racial mixing
628
00:34:37,553 --> 00:34:39,879
and all these different things that
were kind of like simmering in America,
629
00:34:39,903 --> 00:34:41,533
and she kind of put
them out in the light.
630
00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:43,666
Obviously there was political
things going on beneath it,
631
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:46,084
but no one never dealt
with it in a pop form.
632
00:34:46,214 --> 00:34:49,614
You couldn't ignore her. She was able to
make you never be able to turn your head away
633
00:34:49,739 --> 00:34:53,091
because if there was a car crash,
you'd kind of want to see what happened.
634
00:34:55,702 --> 00:34:58,705
A new man was about
to enter Madonna's life,
635
00:34:58,835 --> 00:35:00,576
and this time he
arrived in the form
636
00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:03,579
of one of Hollywood's
greatest lotharios,
637
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:05,233
Warren Beatty.
638
00:35:05,364 --> 00:35:07,235
They met while
filming Dick Tracy,
639
00:35:07,366 --> 00:35:09,672
a movie written and
directed by Beatty,
640
00:35:09,803 --> 00:35:14,808
and their 20-year age gap
became the talk of Tinseltown.
641
00:35:14,938 --> 00:35:17,811
She actually did a good job,
in which, for the most part
642
00:35:17,941 --> 00:35:21,510
was kind of a disaster
in a lot of ways.
643
00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:26,124
It was sort of the beginning of a very
weird multimedia time for Madonna
644
00:35:28,952 --> 00:35:30,780
And then came the
groundbreaking video
645
00:35:30,911 --> 00:35:34,871
for one of Madonna's most memorable songs,
"Vogue."
646
00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:38,571
And with it came yet
another brand-new image.
647
00:35:38,701 --> 00:35:40,616
♪ Look around
648
00:35:40,747 --> 00:35:43,228
♪ Everywhere you
turn is heartache ♪
649
00:35:43,358 --> 00:35:45,752
♪ It's everywhere that you go
650
00:35:45,882 --> 00:35:47,797
♪ Look around
651
00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:51,149
It was directed
by David Fincher,
652
00:35:51,279 --> 00:35:54,326
who would later go on to mastermind
such Hollywood blockbusters
653
00:35:54,369 --> 00:35:57,851
who would later go on t asFight
Club uch H andSocial Network. s
654
00:35:57,981 --> 00:35:59,821
One of Madonna's
greatest skills as a pop star,
655
00:35:59,896 --> 00:36:01,420
a mainstream pop star,
656
00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:03,639
is taking underground trends
657
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:05,380
or things that are
soft of bubbling under
658
00:36:05,511 --> 00:36:07,469
and turning them
into mainstream,
659
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,317
and "Vogue" was one of
the best examples of that.
660
00:36:09,341 --> 00:36:11,778
♪ And here's what it's for, so ♪
661
00:36:11,908 --> 00:36:14,737
♪ Come on, Vogue
662
00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:18,045
Voguing came out of the 1960's
Harlem ballroom dance scene,
663
00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:21,004
mostly underground,
mostly gay community,
664
00:36:21,135 --> 00:36:25,574
and she turned it into one of the
biggest pop songs in 1989 or 1990,
665
00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:29,578
and made doing this like a thing
that like your grandma would do,
666
00:36:29,709 --> 00:36:31,589
even though she has no
idea where it comes from.
667
00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:33,626
♪ Don't just stand
there Let's get to it ♪
668
00:36:33,756 --> 00:36:36,759
♪ Strike a pose There's nothing to it,
Vogue ♪
669
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:40,546
Everyone knew it was eight years after
the fact that Vogue had its popularity,
670
00:36:40,676 --> 00:36:44,332
but I don't think the average
person in middle America
671
00:36:44,463 --> 00:36:46,639
knew what Voguing
was until Madonna did it.
672
00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:49,685
It was a perfect
example of her...
673
00:36:49,816 --> 00:36:54,908
With her ear picking up a frequency
that most people weren't hearing
674
00:36:55,038 --> 00:36:56,475
and making it her own.
675
00:36:56,605 --> 00:36:59,652
And it was also another
continuation in terms of the video
676
00:36:59,782 --> 00:37:02,698
of her more glamorous,
more classy look,
677
00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:05,745
the sort of Marilyn
Monroe-thing she started to do,
678
00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:09,575
getting away more and more
from the kind of crassly, slutty look
679
00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:12,926
that she had established
with her early albums.
680
00:37:13,056 --> 00:37:15,885
They had a very
strong black and white video,
681
00:37:16,016 --> 00:37:17,583
very highly stylized
682
00:37:17,713 --> 00:37:23,110
and one of the best meetings
of message and music
683
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,286
in Madonna's career.
684
00:37:25,417 --> 00:37:28,115
♪ Get up on the dance floor
685
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:30,857
♪ Vogue
686
00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:35,470
Not only does she tie it in with
these themes of gay liberation,
687
00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:37,559
which are all
kind of sublimated,
688
00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:40,736
she's name-dropping Ginger Rogers,
Fred Astaire,
689
00:37:40,867 --> 00:37:44,044
all these American icons.
690
00:37:44,174 --> 00:37:47,961
♪ Marlon Brando,
Jimmy Dean on the cover of a magazine ♪
691
00:37:48,091 --> 00:37:50,355
♪ Grace Kelly, Harlow, Jean
692
00:37:50,485 --> 00:37:52,289
She's bringing all these
different ideas together
693
00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:54,359
with kind of a subversive
idea beneath it,
694
00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:56,665
and then, you know,
she's got a catchy video.
695
00:37:56,796 --> 00:38:01,017
And the truth of the matter is, you know,
whether or not you know what Voguing is,
696
00:38:01,148 --> 00:38:04,649
it comes down to the fact that everyone
remembers Madonna for being the person who Vogued
697
00:38:04,673 --> 00:38:07,197
because it's not
necessarily who does it first.
698
00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:09,591
It's always kind of
who does it best.
699
00:38:09,722 --> 00:38:13,595
♪ Let your body
move to the music ♪
700
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:18,383
I saw her,
what may have been her live peak,
701
00:38:18,513 --> 00:38:20,210
which was the Vogue tour,
702
00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:23,649
and she was just so hot
703
00:38:23,779 --> 00:38:27,435
that the heat of her
career was in itself sexy,
704
00:38:27,566 --> 00:38:33,006
which she had a sense
for packaging each song
705
00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:36,357
in a production number...
706
00:38:36,488 --> 00:38:41,841
that was perfect
for the song itself.
707
00:38:41,971 --> 00:38:43,688
And then they'd move to a
different point of the stage
708
00:38:43,712 --> 00:38:45,235
and they'd do something else,
709
00:38:45,366 --> 00:38:47,934
and you couldn't
take your eyes off her.
710
00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:50,850
Madonna will always
have the sexiest dancers,
711
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:56,421
the newest fashions,
712
00:38:56,551 --> 00:38:59,032
and she'll take credit for them.
713
00:38:59,162 --> 00:39:00,729
Not because she's
being arrogant,
714
00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:03,341
but because everybody
will give her credit for it
715
00:39:03,471 --> 00:39:07,432
'cause they don't know who that
second beautiful dancer from the left is.
716
00:39:07,562 --> 00:39:10,391
They'll just say it's
a Madonna show.
717
00:39:14,177 --> 00:39:18,268
1991 was another
epic year for Madonna.
718
00:39:18,399 --> 00:39:23,273
By now she had achieved a
staggering 32 top ten hits in the U.S.
719
00:39:23,404 --> 00:39:27,452
and sold more than 17
million albums internationally,
720
00:39:27,582 --> 00:39:32,457
generating an incredible
$1.2 billion in sales.
721
00:39:32,587 --> 00:39:35,721
That same year she also
founded her own label,
722
00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:37,679
Maverick Records,
with Time-Warner,
723
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:39,551
and brought out a
greatest hits album called
724
00:39:39,681 --> 00:39:41,509
The Immaculate Collection.
725
00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:47,602
A documentary about
her Blonde Ambition tour
726
00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:50,518
also got the critics
talking once again.
727
00:39:50,649 --> 00:39:54,217
In America,
it was called Truth or Dare.
728
00:39:54,348 --> 00:39:59,527
In the rest of the world, it had the
provocative title In Bed with Madonna
729
00:39:59,658 --> 00:40:01,834
I just think life is unfair. Here I am,
this person.
730
00:40:01,964 --> 00:40:04,532
Everybody thinks I have everything I want,
right?
731
00:40:04,663 --> 00:40:06,186
But I want you,
and I can't have you.
732
00:40:06,316 --> 00:40:08,643
It was the Truth or Daremovie
where it was one of the first times
733
00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:14,281
where she went to her mother's
grave since she was a little girl.
734
00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:20,069
And if you really want to mark Madonna's
career up in the paths or into spheres,
735
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,332
1991 is kind of where
she makes the sharp break.
736
00:40:22,463 --> 00:40:24,267
She released The
Immaculate Collectionthat year,
737
00:40:24,291 --> 00:40:27,990
and I think you could probably make a case
of that was when she finally had gotten
738
00:40:28,121 --> 00:40:33,431
maybe the first bit of degree of
peace with her mother's passing.
739
00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:37,347
I never really
understood why she was taken away from us.
740
00:40:37,478 --> 00:40:39,785
It just seemed so unfair.
741
00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:41,850
I never thought that she
had done something wrong,
742
00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:45,573
so oftentimes I'd wonder
what I'd done wrong.
743
00:40:45,704 --> 00:40:47,314
She never wants to leave.
744
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:49,684
She never wants to live any
of her life with the cameras off.
745
00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:51,971
If it was ideal,
she'd have the cameras on at all times.
746
00:40:52,101 --> 00:40:53,581
And they talk about
her early shows,
747
00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:56,038
where she was one of the first
ones to realize that she was like...
748
00:40:56,062 --> 00:40:57,862
She would let the audience
be the peeping tom.
749
00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:01,981
The documentary film
also highlighted Madonna's
750
00:41:02,111 --> 00:41:05,419
free-thinking attitude
toward sexual stereotypes,
751
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:09,031
revealing her bisexual
relationship with another woman.
752
00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:12,948
I don't like her. I don't either.
Believe me, it's sickening.
753
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,385
I don't like any of the
people I sleep with either.
754
00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:17,556
That's why I sleep with
them 'cause they're hideous.
755
00:41:19,302 --> 00:41:22,828
It's very interesting
that Madonna...
756
00:41:22,958 --> 00:41:25,395
didn't get more of a
reputation for being bisexual.
757
00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:31,401
She famously hung out with
Sandra Bernhard as a gal pal.
758
00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:33,969
But that's because she
went through so many people
759
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:36,180
that inevitably a couple of
them were gonna be women.
760
00:41:39,758 --> 00:41:42,500
As if the documentary hadn't
been provocative enough,
761
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:44,414
a year later,
762
00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:47,635
Madonna really went for
gold in pushing the boundaries
763
00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:51,987
when she published a highly controversial
soft-core pornographic coffee book
764
00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:55,861
featuring her in various
blatant erotic poses.
765
00:41:58,951 --> 00:42:02,737
The book calledSex
sold 150,000 copies
766
00:42:02,868 --> 00:42:05,871
on its release day
in the USA alone.
767
00:42:06,001 --> 00:42:10,571
Three days later,
all 1.5 million copies of the first edition
768
00:42:10,702 --> 00:42:13,095
were sold out worldwide,
769
00:42:13,226 --> 00:42:18,100
making it the most successful
coffee table book of all time.
770
00:42:18,231 --> 00:42:19,556
The one thing I would
say that she ever did controversial
771
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:23,236
that, like, hurt her career what
I'd say would be the Sexbook,
772
00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:25,020
which was just
stupid and ridiculous.
773
00:42:25,151 --> 00:42:26,761
I will come out
there and say it.
774
00:42:26,892 --> 00:42:29,024
Nobody would've said,
775
00:42:29,155 --> 00:42:35,727
"Hey, let's make a $150 coffee
table book of explicit photos."
776
00:42:35,857 --> 00:42:39,034
I mean,
nobody said that to any pop star ever.
777
00:42:39,165 --> 00:42:42,211
Can you imagine anybody
saying that to Barbra Streisand?
778
00:42:44,823 --> 00:42:46,433
To me, I was like,
"What are you doing?"
779
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:48,783
Like it's one thing to
be sexual in your videos,
780
00:42:48,914 --> 00:42:50,959
to be sexual in
your song lyrics,
781
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,130
but when you're actually
doing a soft-core porn book
782
00:42:53,179 --> 00:42:56,182
where you're posing naked,
with Vanilla Ice,
783
00:42:56,312 --> 00:43:00,273
with Vanilla Ice and Big Daddy
Kane and Naomi Campbell...
784
00:43:00,403 --> 00:43:04,277
I'm proud to buy
it. I'm not ashamed.
785
00:43:04,407 --> 00:43:08,498
Once again, you have to
realize this was 1991, let's say.
786
00:43:08,629 --> 00:43:13,678
People were more easily
shocked then than they were now.
787
00:43:15,854 --> 00:43:20,902
She had a
sense of how far she could take it
788
00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:24,079
'cause this could've
potentially been a career ender.
789
00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:28,736
And then she knew
intuitively when to cut it,
790
00:43:28,867 --> 00:43:30,869
and she let the
book go out of print.
791
00:43:30,999 --> 00:43:32,697
It came out, coincided with
792
00:43:32,827 --> 00:43:35,525
what I think is one of her
weaker albums Erotica,
793
00:43:35,656 --> 00:43:39,921
which, again, was just so hammering
you over the head with the sex thing.
794
00:43:40,052 --> 00:43:42,813
There was just something about it
that I thought seemed very desperate
795
00:43:42,837 --> 00:43:46,754
and very, um... yeah,
just trying too hard and silly
796
00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:49,975
and just trying to shock like,
"Ooh, look how shocking I am."
797
00:43:50,105 --> 00:43:53,587
By now even some of her most
ardent fans believed Madonna
798
00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:57,983
had gone one step too far
with her overtly sexual image.
799
00:43:58,113 --> 00:44:01,421
And for about five years,
she went under the publicity radar.
800
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:13,215
But then in 1996 came
the momentous news
801
00:44:13,346 --> 00:44:16,566
that she had given birth to
a baby girl called Lourdes,
802
00:44:16,697 --> 00:44:20,396
whom she had with her lover
and personal trainer Carlos Leon.
803
00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:23,835
Madonna had said numerous
times she wanted to have a baby
804
00:44:23,965 --> 00:44:26,359
with a Latin man,
a Puerto Rican particularly
805
00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:28,889
'cause she thought they would
make beautiful babies together.
806
00:44:32,321 --> 00:44:34,846
As if the birth of her daughter
weren't headlining enough,
807
00:44:34,976 --> 00:44:38,153
news also broke in 1996
that Madonna had landed
808
00:44:38,284 --> 00:44:41,330
one of the most coveted
roles in show business,
809
00:44:41,461 --> 00:44:43,419
that of Eva Peron
810
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:47,162
in the movie version of
the smash hit musicalEvita.
811
00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:49,469
She said at the time,
812
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:54,604
"I am prouder ofEvita than
anything else I have ever done."
813
00:44:54,735 --> 00:44:57,607
Madonna's not gonna go
down in history as being a great actress.
814
00:44:57,738 --> 00:45:00,393
But occasionally she gets
married to the right part,
815
00:45:00,523 --> 00:45:03,265
and the reason why Desperately
Seeking Susan worked well for her
816
00:45:03,396 --> 00:45:05,756
is because she was basically
playing a variation of herself,
817
00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:08,227
and some people could say
with Evitashe sort of was, too,
818
00:45:08,357 --> 00:45:12,884
this very ambitious woman
who came from nothing,
819
00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:14,929
who is determined to
make something of herself.
820
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:17,453
Some would say
Madonna has used men
821
00:45:17,584 --> 00:45:21,849
or used her feminine
wiles to get ahead.
822
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:25,766
Evitawas the
great musical hit on stage,
823
00:45:25,897 --> 00:45:28,073
but of the late 70s.
824
00:45:28,203 --> 00:45:32,164
And for some reason,
the film didn't get made,
825
00:45:32,294 --> 00:45:37,256
even though an entire
generation of star females
826
00:45:37,386 --> 00:45:40,172
were mentioned for the
part and seriously considered.
827
00:45:40,302 --> 00:45:42,217
In the film,
she plays Evita Peron,
828
00:45:42,348 --> 00:45:45,612
the wife of Juan Peron,
leader of Argentina.
829
00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:48,833
And this is a role that
she'd always kind of wanted,
830
00:45:48,963 --> 00:45:52,662
and obviously she found, I'm sure,
tons of emotional connection
831
00:45:52,793 --> 00:45:56,318
with a woman that kind of
got everything that she wanted.
832
00:45:56,449 --> 00:45:58,886
I was extremely
passionate about it.
833
00:45:59,017 --> 00:46:00,714
I knew that it was
a chance for me
834
00:46:00,845 --> 00:46:02,934
as an actress and a singer
835
00:46:03,064 --> 00:46:04,718
to do things I'd
never done before,
836
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:06,198
and to push myself and to grow.
837
00:46:08,417 --> 00:46:11,856
♪ It won't be easy
838
00:46:11,986 --> 00:46:15,207
♪ You'll think it strange
839
00:46:15,337 --> 00:46:16,991
Doing "Don't Cry For Me,
Argentina"
840
00:46:17,122 --> 00:46:20,429
from the balcony
of the Casa Rosada,
841
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,650
she was charismatic.
842
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:28,960
♪ Don't cry for me, Argentina
843
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:33,225
♪ The truth is I
never left you ♪
844
00:46:33,355 --> 00:46:35,270
That was her
first big film success,
845
00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:37,882
kind of her only major,
major film success,
846
00:46:38,012 --> 00:46:40,121
but I think it proved that she
was able to have that kind of...
847
00:46:40,145 --> 00:46:42,147
She was able to
have that versatility.
848
00:46:42,277 --> 00:46:44,821
She was able to kind of get in the
mind of a very, very powerful woman
849
00:46:44,845 --> 00:46:47,717
who would stop at nothing to succeed,
so...
850
00:46:47,848 --> 00:46:49,502
Obviously a huge stretch.
851
00:46:49,632 --> 00:46:52,722
It's an incredible
role for any actress to play,
852
00:46:52,853 --> 00:46:57,336
and I felt that I could completely
understand her compassion
853
00:46:57,466 --> 00:47:02,123
and her ambition and other
things that she experienced.
854
00:47:02,254 --> 00:47:08,913
♪ I love you and
hope you love me ♪
855
00:47:09,043 --> 00:47:11,350
I just feel that what's
happening to me
856
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,616
is a perfect example that
if you just keep on going
857
00:47:16,746 --> 00:47:19,271
and you put your mind to something,
you can achieve anything.
858
00:47:19,401 --> 00:47:21,490
♪ Look at me to know
859
00:47:21,621 --> 00:47:28,062
♪ That every word is true
860
00:47:34,112 --> 00:47:37,550
Not long after Lourdes' birth,
Madonna joined Kabbalah,
861
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,728
a religion reflecting the more
esoteric aspects of Judaism.
862
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:43,817
Her Kabbalah name is Esther.
863
00:47:43,948 --> 00:47:46,864
And to this day,
she remains a firm believer.
864
00:47:50,563 --> 00:47:53,783
In 1998,
she released an album calledRay of Light,
865
00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:55,960
which proved a real
departure for her.
866
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:03,010
♪ Zephyr in the sky
at night I wonder ♪
867
00:48:03,141 --> 00:48:08,798
Once again, it proved a whole new
chameleon-like reinvention of her image.
868
00:48:08,929 --> 00:48:11,932
That was a real change of pace
869
00:48:12,063 --> 00:48:15,327
because it wasn't
so much a pop album
870
00:48:15,457 --> 00:48:18,243
as it was an attempt
to kind of negotiate
871
00:48:18,373 --> 00:48:22,029
with the electronic music
that was going on at the time.
872
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,989
For most people in the music industry,
electronica,
873
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,514
that catch always
sees the next big thing.
874
00:48:28,644 --> 00:48:30,124
♪ And I feel
875
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,000
The structure is
like a dance record.
876
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:41,048
And she's somebody who really... as even
dance music continues to thrive in 2012...
877
00:48:41,179 --> 00:48:43,094
It's probably the
biggest it's ever been,
878
00:48:43,224 --> 00:48:45,183
Madonna was the first one.
879
00:48:45,313 --> 00:48:50,405
♪ Quicker than a ray of light
880
00:48:50,536 --> 00:48:53,626
She was the one that
kind of was able to do it
881
00:48:53,756 --> 00:48:57,717
in a way with more style than
anybody had and more visual flair.
882
00:48:57,847 --> 00:49:00,304
She was the first one to get that it
wasn't enough to just be a good singer,
883
00:49:00,328 --> 00:49:02,243
not to have good songs.
You had to be an icon.
884
00:49:02,374 --> 00:49:06,421
If you wanted to survive,
you had to, you know,
885
00:49:06,552 --> 00:49:09,120
become not just a
conversation at the dinner table.
886
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:12,471
You had to be like the
conversation at the dinner table.
887
00:49:12,601 --> 00:49:14,429
♪ Quicker than a ray of light
888
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,172
♪ I'm flying
889
00:49:18,303 --> 00:49:20,609
She won four Grammys
forRay of Light,
890
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:22,046
including Best Video.
891
00:49:25,179 --> 00:49:29,053
Amazingly, it was the first
time in Madonna's long career
892
00:49:29,183 --> 00:49:30,880
that the Grammys
had recognized her.
893
00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:32,621
I've been in the music
business 16 years.
894
00:49:32,752 --> 00:49:34,841
This is my first Grammy,
and, uh...
895
00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:37,713
Well, actually,
I've won four tonight, but...
896
00:49:37,844 --> 00:49:42,066
you know,
it's worth the wait and all that.
897
00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:46,200
The video was directed by
Swedish director Jonas Akerlund,
898
00:49:46,331 --> 00:49:49,682
and it also won the
MTV Video of the Year.
899
00:49:49,812 --> 00:49:52,076
They want to know if I
was difficult to work with.
900
00:49:52,206 --> 00:49:54,426
No. It was great.
901
00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:01,911
That same year,
Madonna's constant reinvention continued
902
00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:05,350
when she married British
film director Guy Ritchie.
903
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,265
She moved from Los
Angeles to London
904
00:50:07,395 --> 00:50:11,095
and later gave birth to
their son Rocco John.
905
00:50:11,225 --> 00:50:13,314
I'm looking for a
place to live in London,
906
00:50:13,445 --> 00:50:16,883
but only because I go there so much,
I work there so much.
907
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:19,320
I can't stand staying in hotels.
908
00:50:19,451 --> 00:50:21,496
You know,
so it would be kind of like a second home.
909
00:50:21,627 --> 00:50:23,585
It wouldn't be my primary home.
910
00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:27,763
For a while,
she seemed content with London life,
911
00:50:27,894 --> 00:50:30,940
even writing a children's
book calledThe English Roses.
912
00:50:31,071 --> 00:50:34,161
Bizarrely,
this onetime sex siren
913
00:50:34,292 --> 00:50:38,644
now started to promote an image of
a more wholesome English mother,
914
00:50:38,774 --> 00:50:42,126
even adopting something of
a British accent along the way.
915
00:50:42,256 --> 00:50:44,215
How much do
you enjoy being married?
916
00:50:44,345 --> 00:50:47,957
Love it. Best thing I've
ever done. Thank you.
917
00:50:48,088 --> 00:50:51,004
She reinvented
herself as this English rose,
918
00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:54,312
writing a children's book, talking
about baking bread and staying at home,
919
00:50:54,442 --> 00:50:56,314
wearing these,
like, day dresses.
920
00:50:56,444 --> 00:50:59,186
It's absolutely ludicrous.
921
00:50:59,317 --> 00:51:01,362
The problem with
the English roses
922
00:51:01,493 --> 00:51:03,712
was that they were
all a little bit jealous
923
00:51:03,843 --> 00:51:06,324
of a little girl in
the neighborhood.
924
00:51:06,454 --> 00:51:08,456
I tried out all the
stories on my children,
925
00:51:08,587 --> 00:51:11,372
and whenever they got
bored and started fidgeting or,
926
00:51:11,503 --> 00:51:14,506
you know, complaining or
looking for other things to do,
927
00:51:14,636 --> 00:51:16,316
I knew I had to fix
that part of the story.
928
00:51:16,421 --> 00:51:19,772
It's like Madonna thinks that
the rest of us have such short memories
929
00:51:19,902 --> 00:51:23,428
that nobody remembers the
whole S&M stuff from before
930
00:51:23,558 --> 00:51:27,693
and were happily ready to accept
her as this, you know, English rose.
931
00:51:27,823 --> 00:51:30,783
Now, of course what we see
more recently is another reinvention,
932
00:51:30,913 --> 00:51:32,193
kind of something in the middle.
933
00:51:32,263 --> 00:51:34,091
She still wants to be sexy.
934
00:51:34,221 --> 00:51:38,007
She wants to prove that she can
be 53 and she can rock a body suit,
935
00:51:38,138 --> 00:51:45,014
but at the same time, she's not quite
as seedy and naked as she used to be.
936
00:51:45,145 --> 00:51:50,063
I think Kabbalah has played a large role in
some of the images we've seen of Madonna.
937
00:51:50,194 --> 00:51:53,893
As she's kind of dabbled... at one time
very, very deeply involved in the religion,
938
00:51:54,023 --> 00:51:56,852
I think lately a bit less so...
939
00:51:56,983 --> 00:52:01,770
We've seen the kind of
influences of having a spiritual life
940
00:52:01,901 --> 00:52:05,600
and how that has affected
her in terms of her public image.
941
00:52:05,731 --> 00:52:09,604
She went on to write
several more children's books,
942
00:52:09,735 --> 00:52:12,172
includingYacov and
the Seven Thieves.
943
00:52:12,303 --> 00:52:14,566
So my throat is a bit sore,
944
00:52:14,696 --> 00:52:16,892
and I'm supposed to actually
not be talking to very much
945
00:52:16,916 --> 00:52:18,483
'cause I have a
concert tomorrow,
946
00:52:18,613 --> 00:52:21,660
so Lola has volunteered
to read the story to you.
947
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:26,273
Once upon a time, the rose...
948
00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:33,759
In 2003 came Madonna's
ninth studio album
949
00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:35,152
American Life.
950
00:52:35,282 --> 00:52:37,415
With only 4 million in sales,
951
00:52:37,545 --> 00:52:40,461
it was the lowest-selling
album of her career.
952
00:52:40,592 --> 00:52:44,030
And a few less successful
singles emerged later.
953
00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:45,901
She had a couple of huge flops.
954
00:52:46,032 --> 00:52:50,341
American Lifewas first and
foremost the biggest flop of them all.
955
00:52:50,471 --> 00:52:53,431
That's the song
where she tries to rap.
956
00:52:53,561 --> 00:52:56,738
And it went about as
well as you might imagine.
957
00:52:56,869 --> 00:52:59,306
♪ I'm drinkin' a soy latte
I get a double shotte ♪
958
00:52:59,437 --> 00:53:01,917
♪ It goes right through my
body And you know I'm satisfied ♪
959
00:53:02,048 --> 00:53:05,007
Madonna's 10th album
Confessions on a Dance Floor
960
00:53:05,138 --> 00:53:08,228
was released in 2005.
961
00:53:08,359 --> 00:53:10,274
Confessions on
a Dance Floor from 2005
962
00:53:10,404 --> 00:53:13,755
was probably, in my opinion,
the last great Madonna record.
963
00:53:13,886 --> 00:53:16,995
We'll see how the new one is, but that was,
I think, her last real great record.
964
00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:20,066
And in a way,
it was a full-circle achievement.
965
00:53:20,197 --> 00:53:23,896
American Lifehad been kind of a
misstep of her trying to be all political,
966
00:53:24,026 --> 00:53:27,291
and she got back to, actually,
what she did in the beginning,
967
00:53:27,421 --> 00:53:30,163
her dance roots,
her Danceteria roots.
968
00:53:30,294 --> 00:53:32,905
♪ Every little thing
that you say or do ♪
969
00:53:33,035 --> 00:53:34,689
♪ I'm hung up
970
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:37,301
♪ I'm hung up on you
971
00:53:37,431 --> 00:53:39,564
Her last great single
was "Hung Up",
972
00:53:39,694 --> 00:53:42,151
- which sampled "Gimme! "Gimme!
- "Gimme! "by ABBA.
973
00:53:42,175 --> 00:53:43,394
Brilliantly sampled that.
974
00:53:52,664 --> 00:53:57,451
At that point, she had kind of gotten a
reputation as being very self-serious.
975
00:53:57,582 --> 00:54:01,542
And Confessions on
a Dance Floortried...
976
00:54:01,673 --> 00:54:04,850
It was designed to
be similar to a DJ mix.
977
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:09,507
And "Hung Up" was one of
her biggest hits in a long time.
978
00:54:09,637 --> 00:54:16,165
♪ I can't keep on wait...
979
00:54:16,296 --> 00:54:17,993
♪ But it'll be too late
980
00:54:18,124 --> 00:54:21,388
♪ Every little thing
that you say or do ♪
981
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:24,652
It was a number one song in,
I believe, in forty-plus countries,
982
00:54:24,783 --> 00:54:27,786
which made it the most widespread
number one single in pop history.
983
00:54:34,619 --> 00:54:38,623
In 2006,
Madonna hit the headlines once again
984
00:54:38,753 --> 00:54:41,626
when she funded an orphanage in Malawi,
East Africa,
985
00:54:41,756 --> 00:54:44,106
and went on to adopt
a boy from the country.
986
00:54:44,237 --> 00:54:47,414
His name was David Banda.
987
00:54:47,545 --> 00:54:52,027
2008 proved another momentous
year for the goddess of pop,
988
00:54:52,158 --> 00:54:53,899
not all of it good.
989
00:54:54,029 --> 00:54:58,338
Things were not going
well in the Ritchie household.
990
00:54:58,469 --> 00:55:00,732
Madonna and Guy fought a lot.
991
00:55:00,862 --> 00:55:03,430
They had a very
difficult relationship,
992
00:55:03,561 --> 00:55:06,825
and I've actually been around
them when they were fighting,
993
00:55:06,955 --> 00:55:09,784
and what was interesting
was the way that they fought
994
00:55:09,915 --> 00:55:13,484
was very much the way like
14-year-old boys would fight,
995
00:55:13,614 --> 00:55:16,313
like, "No, you're stupid." "No,
you're stupid."
996
00:55:16,443 --> 00:55:22,884
It was the most adolescent dynamic I have
ever seen in a relationship in my life.
997
00:55:23,015 --> 00:55:27,280
I think what drew Madonna to
Guy was like a lot of strong women.
998
00:55:27,411 --> 00:55:29,456
She was looking for
someone who was her equal,
999
00:55:29,587 --> 00:55:31,893
who matched her,
who wasn't intimidated by her.
1000
00:55:32,024 --> 00:55:36,637
And I think Guy's very English
upbringing allowed him to be very reserved
1001
00:55:36,768 --> 00:55:41,250
and certainly not to show visibly that
he thought she was cool or impressive.
1002
00:55:41,381 --> 00:55:43,340
Madonna was
really drawn to that.
1003
00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:47,735
I think Guy mirrored at lot of her
own father's demeanor and behavior
1004
00:55:47,866 --> 00:55:51,478
in the sense that he was cold, he
was remote, he didn't give praise easily.
1005
00:55:51,609 --> 00:55:54,916
Madonna was very attracted to that,
but later, of course,
1006
00:55:55,047 --> 00:55:58,355
I think she felt very hurt by the
fact that he wasn't more supportive
1007
00:55:58,485 --> 00:56:00,922
or more complimentary
of her efforts.
1008
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:10,105
That same year, Madonna had to face
the release of aNew York Times' bestseller
1009
00:56:10,236 --> 00:56:15,067
written by her brother and once-close
confidant Christopher Ciccone
1010
00:56:15,197 --> 00:56:16,764
calledLiving with Madonna.
1011
00:56:16,895 --> 00:56:19,941
It revealed some
unsavory stories about her.
1012
00:56:20,072 --> 00:56:22,857
But despite all this,
Christopher remained adamant
1013
00:56:22,988 --> 00:56:26,295
that he held no ill
will towards his sister.
1014
00:56:26,426 --> 00:56:29,821
There's no venom in this
book. None whatsoever.
1015
00:56:29,951 --> 00:56:32,650
I have to face myself every day
1016
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:35,043
when I wake up and
look myself in the mirror,
1017
00:56:35,174 --> 00:56:37,916
and I do that with...
1018
00:56:38,046 --> 00:56:41,136
I can do that with honor
and respect held intact.
1019
00:56:41,267 --> 00:56:45,097
It became clear from the book
and to subsequent interviews
1020
00:56:45,227 --> 00:56:47,012
that there was no love lost
1021
00:56:47,142 --> 00:56:50,798
between Christopher and
Madonna's husband Guy Ritchie.
1022
00:56:50,929 --> 00:56:55,368
I don't dislike Guy Ritchie. He
disappoints me as a human being,
1023
00:56:55,499 --> 00:56:58,240
but I don't dislike him,
you know.
1024
00:56:58,371 --> 00:57:00,286
It's my sister's husband,
1025
00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:03,724
and I have no intention
of getting in between that.
1026
00:57:03,855 --> 00:57:08,120
As far as him being
a wedge between us,
1027
00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:11,471
his insecurities led him to
behave a certain way with me.
1028
00:57:11,602 --> 00:57:13,647
We were very close, her and I,
1029
00:57:13,778 --> 00:57:17,434
and that was not
an easy thing for him.
1030
00:57:17,564 --> 00:57:21,350
Is he homophobic? Probably.
1031
00:57:21,481 --> 00:57:25,703
But I think the combination
of what I was to my sister
1032
00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:28,314
connected with the
way that I have sex
1033
00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:30,925
is,
was difficult for him to deal with.
1034
00:57:31,056 --> 00:57:34,276
And, you know, it was,
as Rupert Everett said,
1035
00:57:34,407 --> 00:57:37,323
sort of, you know, me or him.
1036
00:57:37,454 --> 00:57:40,282
Not long after
the book's release,
1037
00:57:40,413 --> 00:57:43,460
Madonna announced that she
and Guy were officially divorcing
1038
00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:46,245
after eight years of marriage.
1039
00:57:48,726 --> 00:57:50,728
Throughout the pain
of Madonna's divorce,
1040
00:57:50,858 --> 00:57:53,470
Lourdes,
or "Lola" as she's now known,
1041
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,560
became even
closer to her mother.
1042
00:57:56,690 --> 00:58:02,000
Madonna was always a very active
mother and a very strong mother,
1043
00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:05,525
but then I think as she went
through her divorce from Guy Ritchie,
1044
00:58:05,656 --> 00:58:10,574
she began to depend more and more on her
then, I think, 12 or 13-year-old daughter.
1045
00:58:10,704 --> 00:58:14,403
Their relationship now definitely
resembles more two girlfriends
1046
00:58:14,534 --> 00:58:16,057
than it does mother
and daughter,
1047
00:58:16,188 --> 00:58:19,626
If you look at Lola's life,
she's growing up so fast.
1048
00:58:19,757 --> 00:58:22,237
She has a clothing range,
a clothing line.
1049
00:58:22,368 --> 00:58:24,762
She had a cameo in
her mother's movie W.E.
1050
00:58:24,892 --> 00:58:26,720
She's been in
Madonna's music video.
1051
00:58:26,851 --> 00:58:28,548
She's at a
performing arts school.
1052
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:30,463
She clearly wants
to be a performer,
1053
00:58:30,594 --> 00:58:34,554
and it looks like Madonna's almost
morphing from this performer herself
1054
00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:38,123
into probably the
stage mother from hell.
1055
00:58:38,253 --> 00:58:43,432
But she's getting to kind of vicariously, I
think, relive some things through Lourdes.
1056
00:58:49,351 --> 00:58:51,832
As she approached
her 50th birthday,
1057
00:58:51,963 --> 00:58:54,705
Madonna found herself
in Malawi's high court,
1058
00:58:54,835 --> 00:59:00,275
defending claims that she had flaunted the
adoption laws in the country over David Banda.
1059
00:59:00,406 --> 00:59:02,800
I went to Malawi in Africa
1060
00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:07,631
thinking that I was going
to save children's lives
1061
00:59:07,761 --> 00:59:10,721
and make a big
difference in their lives,
1062
00:59:10,851 --> 00:59:13,419
and I was going to affect
change in their lives.
1063
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:17,031
And hopefully I have,
but the surprise to me
1064
00:59:17,162 --> 00:59:20,644
was how much they changed me.
1065
00:59:20,774 --> 00:59:24,822
This adoption
essentially created...
1066
00:59:24,952 --> 00:59:27,912
It was the beginning of the
creation of adoption laws in Malawi.
1067
00:59:28,042 --> 00:59:31,263
Up until this time,
there wasn't an adoption law.
1068
00:59:31,393 --> 00:59:35,484
So consequently I
was sort of the template
1069
00:59:35,615 --> 00:59:39,576
or the role model, so to speak,
for future adoptions.
1070
00:59:39,706 --> 00:59:43,014
But she won the case and later
went on to adopt another Malawi child,
1071
00:59:43,144 --> 00:59:45,843
Mercy James.
1072
00:59:45,973 --> 00:59:47,845
It was a tough time
for me... I won't lie...
1073
00:59:47,975 --> 00:59:50,891
Because the whole adoption period,
you know,
1074
00:59:51,022 --> 00:59:54,765
going through the bureaucracy of
it and everything was exhausting,
1075
00:59:54,895 --> 00:59:57,506
and then, you know,
to have to go there
1076
00:59:57,637 --> 01:00:00,292
and see the palpable
suffering of the children
1077
01:00:00,422 --> 01:00:03,338
and to feel like you were
doing something good,
1078
01:00:03,469 --> 01:00:06,124
and then to come home to
everyone screaming and outraged
1079
01:00:06,254 --> 01:00:08,779
and accusing you of kidnapping.
1080
01:00:08,909 --> 01:00:10,737
You know, it hurt,
I have to say.
1081
01:00:10,868 --> 01:00:15,873
But you know, time has gone by,
1082
01:00:16,003 --> 01:00:20,355
and I can look back at it and say, "Well,
you know, people didn't understand,
1083
01:00:20,486 --> 01:00:23,881
and often people jump to conclusions,
and they're not educated,
1084
01:00:24,011 --> 01:00:25,796
and they don't know
what's going on."
1085
01:00:25,926 --> 01:00:30,322
And I knew eventually that
people would understand the story
1086
01:00:30,452 --> 01:00:35,153
and you know,
obviously I had to go through that as well.
1087
01:00:35,283 --> 01:00:38,330
It all worked out
okay in the end.
1088
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:40,569
How does it feel
to back in Malawi, Madonna?
1089
01:00:40,593 --> 01:00:41,681
Amazing!
1090
01:00:47,339 --> 01:00:51,735
That same year, Madonna released
a third greatest hits albumCelebration,
1091
01:00:51,865 --> 01:00:55,347
which became her 11th
number one album in the U.K.
1092
01:00:55,477 --> 01:00:57,392
She now tied with Elvis Presley
1093
01:00:57,523 --> 01:01:01,570
as the solo act with most
number one albums in the country.
1094
01:01:05,705 --> 01:01:08,882
In 2011, Madonna stepped
back into the movie business,
1095
01:01:09,013 --> 01:01:12,756
this time as a co-writer
director onW.E.
1096
01:01:12,886 --> 01:01:16,585
It told the story of American
divorcee Wallis Simpson,
1097
01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:19,023
who brought the British
monarchy to its knees
1098
01:01:19,153 --> 01:01:21,155
when she won the
heart of King Edward VIII,
1099
01:01:21,286 --> 01:01:23,636
and he was forced to abdicate.
1100
01:01:23,767 --> 01:01:26,421
The movie received
mixed reviews.
1101
01:01:26,552 --> 01:01:29,816
Basically all the
reviews have been universally bad,
1102
01:01:29,947 --> 01:01:34,212
apart from the fact that they've said,
in terms of the artistic direction,
1103
01:01:34,342 --> 01:01:37,171
basically like she was making
a music video, it looks good,
1104
01:01:37,302 --> 01:01:41,262
but everything else... the script,
how the movie flows...
1105
01:01:41,393 --> 01:01:45,353
There's a lot anachronistic stuff
where stuff from out of time, you know,
1106
01:01:45,484 --> 01:01:48,400
they've got Wallis Simpson dancing
to some punk song from The Cure,
1107
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:51,142
stuff like that that Madonna
thought was very edgy
1108
01:01:51,272 --> 01:01:54,145
has been universally
reviled by critics.
1109
01:01:56,974 --> 01:01:59,367
Today,
despite her increasing years,
1110
01:01:59,498 --> 01:02:03,371
Madonna's live
performances are legendary.
1111
01:02:03,502 --> 01:02:06,505
As a live performer,
she is fantastic.
1112
01:02:06,635 --> 01:02:09,726
I had the privilege of going to
a very small concert she held.
1113
01:02:09,856 --> 01:02:14,382
I was in a VIP area standing next to Guy
Ritchie, and we were very close to the stage.
1114
01:02:14,513 --> 01:02:18,082
At the time, she was fantastic.
1115
01:02:18,212 --> 01:02:21,041
A lot of energy. She
really commands the room.
1116
01:02:21,172 --> 01:02:24,262
In fact, she reminded me of
Oprah Winfrey in a strange way
1117
01:02:24,392 --> 01:02:26,438
because I've been in a
situation with Oprah as well,
1118
01:02:26,568 --> 01:02:29,746
and she just has to stand
there and say anything banal,
1119
01:02:29,876 --> 01:02:31,878
and the whole
audience is riveted.
1120
01:02:32,009 --> 01:02:34,838
Madonna has that same
commanding presence.
1121
01:02:34,968 --> 01:02:36,317
They remind me of each other.
1122
01:02:36,448 --> 01:02:38,885
And she just had the
audience in the palm of her hand
1123
01:02:39,016 --> 01:02:40,539
from the minute she
came on the stage.
1124
01:02:47,241 --> 01:02:51,158
Her most recent live performance
was at the Super Bowl in 2012,
1125
01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:55,684
where she wowed an audience
of over 114 million viewers
1126
01:02:55,815 --> 01:03:00,777
with her highly energetic
and ever raunchy routine.
1127
01:03:00,907 --> 01:03:02,474
♪ Look around
1128
01:03:02,604 --> 01:03:04,824
♪ Everywhere you
turn is heartache ♪
1129
01:03:04,955 --> 01:03:09,307
♪ It's everywhere that you go ♪
1130
01:03:09,437 --> 01:03:12,701
I thought Madonna's performance at
the Super Bowl was a great spectacle.
1131
01:03:12,832 --> 01:03:15,879
It's a great show,
which is what Madonna is famous for.
1132
01:03:16,009 --> 01:03:19,143
If you looked at the way the
stage was lit and all kinds of...
1133
01:03:19,273 --> 01:03:22,886
You know, amazing graphics and
visuals and dancers and choreography.
1134
01:03:23,016 --> 01:03:24,322
It was very well done.
1135
01:03:24,452 --> 01:03:28,065
There was,
for example, this man on a tightrope.
1136
01:03:28,195 --> 01:03:30,284
There's a particular
name for what he did,
1137
01:03:30,415 --> 01:03:35,289
and he's the first person to
get national television doing that
1138
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:39,467
because she was clever enough to spot,
"Hmm. This is new.
1139
01:03:39,598 --> 01:03:43,341
Get him to do this tightrope thing,
dance on a tightrope."
1140
01:03:46,779 --> 01:03:49,608
♪ Dance with me, baby
1141
01:03:49,738 --> 01:03:52,567
She knew that
M.I.A. was of a different ethnicity,
1142
01:03:52,698 --> 01:03:55,962
so that would expand the audience,
as Nicki Minaj did.
1143
01:03:56,093 --> 01:03:57,485
And she knew she
was controversial
1144
01:03:57,616 --> 01:04:01,098
because that's how they became
famous in the United States
1145
01:04:01,228 --> 01:04:02,751
was through controversy.
1146
01:04:02,882 --> 01:04:09,149
♪♪
1147
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,200
She had Nicki Minaj,
she had M.I.A. there.
1148
01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:12,781
Those were her
handpicked kind of children.
1149
01:04:12,805 --> 01:04:14,851
You know,
it was kind of a slap in the face.
1150
01:04:14,981 --> 01:04:17,984
I think Lady Gaga and I'm sure Katy
Perry would've killed to have had that,
1151
01:04:18,115 --> 01:04:22,423
but it's interesting that Madonna
picked Nicki Minaj and M.I.A.,
1152
01:04:22,554 --> 01:04:25,576
and I think if you really want to study
her career, that's not surprising at all
1153
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,777
because she identified all
the stuff that she was taking
1154
01:04:28,908 --> 01:04:34,218
was from African-American,
you know, Caribbean culture.
1155
01:04:34,348 --> 01:04:35,499
She was taking all of
these different things.
1156
01:04:35,523 --> 01:04:38,875
You have somebody like M.I.A.
who's originally from Sri Lanka,
1157
01:04:39,005 --> 01:04:41,181
and her dad was Tamil Tiger.
1158
01:04:41,312 --> 01:04:44,204
She's a rebel, and she's flipping off the
camera, whether that was planned or not.
1159
01:04:44,228 --> 01:04:46,795
You have Nicki Minaj,
who's from Queens.
1160
01:04:46,926 --> 01:04:50,277
She's a rapper, she's a girl,
and she's still stealing everything from...
1161
01:04:50,408 --> 01:04:52,125
I mean,
everyone steals everything from Madonna.
1162
01:04:52,149 --> 01:04:55,065
If you saw Nicki Minaj's
recent Grammy performance,
1163
01:04:55,195 --> 01:04:56,912
you know,
she going against the Catholic Church.
1164
01:04:56,936 --> 01:04:59,286
The funny thing about it was everyone,
you know,
1165
01:04:59,417 --> 01:05:01,612
there was a priest there, and she
was playing all these different things,
1166
01:05:01,636 --> 01:05:04,030
and she's going wild,
and she's doing these sexual things,
1167
01:05:04,161 --> 01:05:08,208
and you're supposed to be like,
"Oh, my God. That's so awful."
1168
01:05:08,339 --> 01:05:12,386
But it's not awful because, like,
everyone saw that 20 years ago.
1169
01:05:12,517 --> 01:05:15,520
♪♪
1170
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:18,175
When M.I.A.,
you know, gave the middle finger,
1171
01:05:18,305 --> 01:05:19,872
it really irritated Madonna.
1172
01:05:20,003 --> 01:05:21,743
She said she felt it
was unnecessary.
1173
01:05:21,874 --> 01:05:23,615
The energy had been so positive.
1174
01:05:23,745 --> 01:05:26,444
But let's be honest.
That's not the reason.
1175
01:05:26,574 --> 01:05:29,273
The reason it irritated Madonna
is that people were talking
1176
01:05:29,403 --> 01:05:34,452
about that obscene gesture the next
day instead of Madonna's performance.
1177
01:05:34,582 --> 01:05:37,411
If anybody's gonna shock,
if anybody's gonna provoke,
1178
01:05:37,542 --> 01:05:39,239
it has to be her.
1179
01:05:39,370 --> 01:05:41,981
If you looked at her alone,
1180
01:05:42,112 --> 01:05:44,810
uh, the voice,
some of the dance moves,
1181
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:49,423
the fact that she was actually holding
cheerleading pompoms at one point
1182
01:05:49,554 --> 01:05:51,425
was a little bit silly.
1183
01:05:51,556 --> 01:05:52,687
♪ Gimme all your lovin'
1184
01:05:52,818 --> 01:05:54,472
♪ Gimme your love
1185
01:05:54,602 --> 01:05:58,432
♪ Gimme all your love today
1186
01:05:58,563 --> 01:06:03,263
I think there is a fine line
between being an older woman
1187
01:06:03,394 --> 01:06:07,876
and being a fantastically sexy
performer and looking ridiculous.
1188
01:06:08,007 --> 01:06:10,705
And I think at points
she carried it off
1189
01:06:10,836 --> 01:06:12,577
when she came
in as the gladiator,
1190
01:06:12,707 --> 01:06:17,538
then at other points when she was a
cheerleader, it did look a little bit silly.
1191
01:06:17,669 --> 01:06:21,499
Nonetheless it put her single
into the top ten for the first week.
1192
01:06:26,286 --> 01:06:29,463
Incredibly, her latest albumMDNA
1193
01:06:29,594 --> 01:06:32,466
reached number
one in 43 countries
1194
01:06:32,597 --> 01:06:35,992
through iTunes preorder
before it was even released.
1195
01:06:36,122 --> 01:06:38,907
First of all,
the title MDNA is amazing.
1196
01:06:39,038 --> 01:06:42,694
It's a very clever title,
and it also gives a nod to rave culture
1197
01:06:42,824 --> 01:06:46,350
and shows that she's again
going in the dancey direction.
1198
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,917
And "Gimme All Your
Luvin" is the new single.
1199
01:06:49,048 --> 01:06:51,398
It has M.I.A. and Nicki Minaj.
1200
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:54,662
♪ I see you comin' and I
don't wanna know your name ♪
1201
01:06:54,793 --> 01:06:57,622
♪ L-U-V Madonna
1202
01:06:57,752 --> 01:06:59,754
Madonna's very good
about surrounding herself
1203
01:06:59,885 --> 01:07:03,367
with people that are young and
cool and will get her attention.
1204
01:07:03,497 --> 01:07:05,697
She's done duets with Justin Timberlake,
Britney Spears,
1205
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,414
people like that.
1206
01:07:07,545 --> 01:07:10,374
It was a way for her
to just kind of re-establish, like,
1207
01:07:10,504 --> 01:07:13,942
"Hey, um,
I'm still the queen of all this stuff."
1208
01:07:22,125 --> 01:07:26,172
Ever contentious,
Madonna's love life continues to fascinate
1209
01:07:26,303 --> 01:07:29,088
an ever-greedy and
voracious media.
1210
01:07:29,219 --> 01:07:32,526
Most recently,
she's been linked with much younger men
1211
01:07:32,657 --> 01:07:36,356
like 26-year-old
Brazilian model Jesus Luz
1212
01:07:36,487 --> 01:07:39,403
and 25-year-old Brahim Zaibat.
1213
01:07:39,533 --> 01:07:42,449
You name a big male
star of the late 20th century,
1214
01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:45,670
and Madonna probably had some
affiliation with him in some way.
1215
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,283
And if not, he wanted it, you know,
because she took men like trophies.
1216
01:07:57,377 --> 01:08:00,424
Despite being the most
famous woman in the world,
1217
01:08:00,554 --> 01:08:04,558
Madonna still manages to
lead a fairly private personal life.
1218
01:08:04,689 --> 01:08:06,821
So what is she really like?
1219
01:08:06,952 --> 01:08:08,886
When you meet Madonna,
the first thing that strikes you
1220
01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:11,609
and kind of shocks
you is how little she is.
1221
01:08:11,739 --> 01:08:15,961
She has this larger-than-life persona
and this huge iconic reputation,
1222
01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:21,140
and so when you see this woman
who's barely 5'4", this tiny little figure,
1223
01:08:21,271 --> 01:08:25,623
you find it hard to believe that so much
power came out of such a small being.
1224
01:08:25,753 --> 01:08:29,105
Madonna is not
particularly warm or friendly.
1225
01:08:29,235 --> 01:08:31,846
There's kind of a
frostiness about her,
1226
01:08:31,977 --> 01:08:35,502
and you have to work for it,
you know, to get her approval.
1227
01:08:35,633 --> 01:08:38,026
She notoriously hard on people.
1228
01:08:38,157 --> 01:08:43,031
She expects her staff to be available
to her at all hours, day or night,
1229
01:08:43,162 --> 01:08:45,251
for whatever she
needs or desires.
1230
01:08:45,382 --> 01:08:47,819
Additionally she expects
them to be in good shape.
1231
01:08:47,949 --> 01:08:52,650
She expects everyone to
take care of themselves or else.
1232
01:08:52,780 --> 01:08:55,522
But at the same time,
I don't think her standards
1233
01:08:55,653 --> 01:08:58,395
are any less on herself
than they are on other people.
1234
01:08:58,525 --> 01:09:03,704
She's a classic perfectionist, and she demands
that kind of stuff from everyone around her.
1235
01:09:03,835 --> 01:09:05,943
Another thing about
Madonna was like never into drugs.
1236
01:09:05,967 --> 01:09:07,684
She never really drank.
She would drink ginger ale.
1237
01:09:07,708 --> 01:09:09,667
And I think people
thought she was weird.
1238
01:09:09,797 --> 01:09:12,515
And I think it probably strikes back to the
fact that she never wanted to be out of control.
1239
01:09:12,539 --> 01:09:16,456
She never wanted to
feel weak or imperiled.
1240
01:09:16,587 --> 01:09:19,285
And when you drink or you smoke,
it's to lose yourself,
1241
01:09:19,416 --> 01:09:23,159
and I think the story of Madonna
is somebody who loves herself.
1242
01:09:23,289 --> 01:09:25,746
I know someone who had a
meeting with Madonna not too long ago,
1243
01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:29,252
and she arrived in her
pajamas. She just doesn't care.
1244
01:09:29,382 --> 01:09:32,080
Another thing about Madonna
is a lot of people don't realize
1245
01:09:32,211 --> 01:09:35,301
all her friends and family,
they never call her Madonna.
1246
01:09:35,432 --> 01:09:37,085
It's always "M,"
so it'll be like,
1247
01:09:37,216 --> 01:09:39,827
"Well,
where's M? What time is M getting home?
1248
01:09:39,958 --> 01:09:41,089
Are you at M's house?"
1249
01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:44,267
It's kind of her
personal nickname.
1250
01:09:44,397 --> 01:09:47,313
Madonna actually doesn't
really like the "Maj" nickname.
1251
01:09:47,444 --> 01:09:50,621
That came from the
British tabloids: Her Majesty.
1252
01:09:50,751 --> 01:09:52,275
I've been told she
actually hates it.
1253
01:09:52,405 --> 01:09:56,104
I'm quite positive that although
she's called that frequently in the press,
1254
01:09:56,235 --> 01:09:58,716
nobody would dare to
call her that to her face.
1255
01:10:03,547 --> 01:10:05,873
People have been wondering
what the future holds for Madonna forever.
1256
01:10:05,897 --> 01:10:09,770
I remember when she turned 30, people were
like, "How long can she keep doing this?"
1257
01:10:09,901 --> 01:10:12,301
When she turned 40, it was like,
"Come on, you're already 40.
1258
01:10:12,425 --> 01:10:13,620
Can she still keep doing this?"
1259
01:10:13,644 --> 01:10:16,299
Now 50's behind her.
She's 53 years old,
1260
01:10:16,429 --> 01:10:18,126
and she's about to
release another album,
1261
01:10:18,257 --> 01:10:20,137
and she already has a
song that's a top 40 song,
1262
01:10:20,216 --> 01:10:22,566
and she's collaborating
with Nicki Minaj.
1263
01:10:22,696 --> 01:10:25,632
What does the future hold for Madonna?
I don't think she's ever gonna stop.
1264
01:10:25,656 --> 01:10:30,138
At the end of the day,
I love fancy clothes and sparkling diamonds
1265
01:10:30,269 --> 01:10:33,359
and parties and dressing up
1266
01:10:33,490 --> 01:10:34,926
and, you know,
all of those things,
1267
01:10:35,056 --> 01:10:37,929
but I don't need them to be happy,
and I never did.
1268
01:10:39,887 --> 01:10:42,281
She will never
stop trying to be the best.
1269
01:10:42,412 --> 01:10:45,241
She will never stop
trying to stay on top.
1270
01:10:45,371 --> 01:10:49,157
Her ambition apparently
knows no bounds.
1271
01:10:49,288 --> 01:10:54,206
I don't see Madonna ever stopping
until nobody wants to go see her anymore.
1272
01:10:54,337 --> 01:10:57,383
You know, her tickets,
very controversial for her new tour,
1273
01:10:57,514 --> 01:11:00,560
is something like $300.
And when she was asked,
1274
01:11:00,691 --> 01:11:04,738
"How do you justify, in this economy,
asking these kind of prices?"
1275
01:11:04,869 --> 01:11:07,828
And she said simply,
"I'm worth it."
1276
01:11:07,959 --> 01:11:10,918
And I think as long as she
has that kind of confidence,
1277
01:11:11,049 --> 01:11:12,833
that kind of self-belief,
1278
01:11:12,964 --> 01:11:17,925
and that kind of, you know,
incredible ability to captivate a room,
1279
01:11:18,056 --> 01:11:19,057
she's gonna keep going.
1280
01:11:19,081 --> 01:11:21,081
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