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Daddy!
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Good morning, Charles.
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Good morning.
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Can I see that one?
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Ten-round clip,
one-round chamber, double-action.
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How much?
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$118.50 with tax.
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I'll take it.
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There's a fifteen day waiting period.
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You need an ID?
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No, just a California driver's license.
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Gotta ask you a couple of questions.
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Have you ever been a mental patient
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on a leave of absence
from a mental hospital?
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Lemme think.
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No.
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Have you ever been found
by a court of law
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to be a danger to others as a result
of a mental disorder?
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No.
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Fill out the rest of this.
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I'll see you December 21st.
Merry Christmas.
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Thank you.
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Yes?
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Mother!
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No.
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No, please!
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The Lord said to me,
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You are my son,
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this day have I begotten you.
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Lord, our God, with the birth of your son,
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your glory breaks on the world.
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Through night hours
of the darkened earth,
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we, your people, watch for the coming
of your promised son.
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As we wait, give us a foretaste
of the joy that you will grant us
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when the fullness of his glory
has filled the earth.
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The word of God became man,
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we have seen his glory.
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God, our Father, we rejoice
in the birth of our Savior.
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May we share his life completely
by living as he has taught.
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We ask this in the name of Jesus Christ,
our Lord.
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Amen.
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The body of Christ...
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Sally Ann.
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Morning, Tony.
How are you doing today?
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Sorry, Tony, you can't go in yet.
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Hi, Tony.
Let's move away from the door.
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What's goin' on, Harry?
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I had to borrow your office
for a few minutes.
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Who are these guys?
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Federal narcs.
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Who's in my office?
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Cordenas. And the narcs
are gonna talk to him when I'm through.
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Cordenas is gonna talk to you
after three months?
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He already has.
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Why, did cops kill a federal agent?
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Great. What did you give him?
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What can I say?
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Great. Can I have my office back?
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Just a few minutes.
Why don't we get a cup of coffee.
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What's he doing in my office?
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He got his wife in there with him.
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Tony, I promised him a contact visit
if he told me what I needed.
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You're letting Cordenas use my office
as a trick pad?
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Hey, it's his wife, Tony.
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I told him use the couch,
not your desk.
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Great.
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- I warned him keep the place clean.
- Great. This is great.
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Sally Ann, would you ring my office?
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Gotta be in court.
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This is important, too, you know.
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Mr. Cordenas,
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are you free?
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One moment.
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Mr. Cordenas, would you stop
whatever you're doing
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and come out here, please.
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Hey, man. What is this shit?
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I still got ten minutes coming.
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It's out of my hands, pal.
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On the park stabbings,
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see if we can bring in someone
that'll say that the defendant
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with, uh, 33BA would still know
that a broken wine bottle
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is a deadly weapon.
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And tell the city cops to go back
to the park,
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see if they can find the victim's nose.
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Kate's father
is coming in for New Year's
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so remind me.
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Tried to reach you this afternoon.
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Anything special?
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I thought we could have lunch.
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I called the office.
They said you were gone.
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Ah, I wish I would've known.
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You didn't get my message?
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We had two murder arraignments
this morning,
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then I had to go back to court
this afternoon
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to get bail raised for that guy
in the arson case.
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Did you get it?
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Yes, I did.
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You look tired.
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Come here.
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Hello?
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Yeah, I'm awake.
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I don't know if Major Crimes Deputy
is on duty tonight, Mel,
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I think you should just dial the--
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What's wrong?
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Alright, just a sec.
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Let me get a piece of paper and pen.
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I gotta go out.
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Where are you going?
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Stand back, please.
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Stand back, please.
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Behind the line, please.
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I've never seen anything
like this.
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One victim down here,
then the two upstairs.
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No signs of forced entry. Nothing missing.
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Who were they?
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The one who owns the house,
Mrs. Barbara Ellis, divorcee.
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The other two are her mother and father,
Mr. and Mrs. Robert Hedrickson.
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The rest of the house is undisturbed.
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Just some blood downstairs
and the hallway in here.
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I don't think it was a robbery,
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and I don't think
it was somebody the victims knew.
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The women were shot, dragged upstairs,
and then mutilated.
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The man downstairs was shot
and just left there.
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I thought I'd seen it all.
Nothin' like this ever.
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What happened?
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The victims were all killed
in the same fashion, probably yesterday.
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Cause of death is fairly obvious.
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Gunshots to the head,
small caliber bullet, probably .22
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Yeah, but what about the other ones--
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The women's bodies were cut open
to get at the organs.
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God knows why.
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Some of the organs were removed.
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December 27th, 1986.
Home of Barbara Ellis.
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Do you still feel a pulse?
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Pulses are faint.
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Let's get the PD cuff
for blood pressure, please.
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Okay, blood pressure's
a hundred.
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Can't get anything.
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Let's get some dopamine.
Start a drip, please.
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Here's the dopamine
added to the IV.
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The dopamine's up, wide open.
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Did she get a pressure yet?
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Barely. Pulses are faint.
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Speed up the dopamine
a bit more.
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Still wide open.
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I'm feeling pulses.
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Do we have any back-up?
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Yes, slow it down.
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Very powerful volt.
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Let's see the monitor.
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Sinus passage...
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What's wrong with her?
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We restored her heartbeat
but her brain is no longer functioning.
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Why was she even born to die like this?
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It has to be your decision.
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No! Why?
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It has to be your decision.
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Okay, boys, come help me
cover him up.
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Come on.
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Now, let's say goodbye to Juno
one last time.
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Why don't you get your rake and help me?
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Oh, Juno. He's gonna be chasing cats
in heaven now.
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Alright.
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Bye, Juno.
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It's gonna be alright.
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Andy, he's gonna be alright.
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Andy, stop that.
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He just doesn't like
going to the dentist.
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Well, that's no excuse
for trashing a car.
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I'll take him over there.
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Then bring him home,
then I gotta scoot by the plant.
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I suppose you haven't called the police.
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Eileen, you and I both know
that Charlie Reece killed that dog.
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Now, I'm not gonna let him
get away with that.
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I just don't want any trouble from him.
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Honey, we'll just let the police
handle it, alright?
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Bye bye, Aaron, be a good boy.
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We'll be back soon.
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Come on. Let's go finish breakfast.
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I'll take you to the park,
we'll take your toys,
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and then when Andy gets back...
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Alright, maybe we'll go to the park
in a little while, okay? Come on.
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Aaron, are you through?
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Okay, sweetheart.
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What are you doing in here?
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Just go on home now, you hear me?
Just go on.
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Charles, what are you doing here?
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Please, leave. Just go away. Please.
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Gun.
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I'm sorry.
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When we catch the suspect,
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we're not gonna bargain, no deals,
no psycho cop out,
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nothing less than death penalty.
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Some of you didn't vote for me
but I intend to show the state,
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maybe the country,
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how a crime like this is handled
in this county.
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Tony, I'd like you to give us
a progress report.
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We have a description of a man,
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six feet, a hundred and forty
to a hundred and fifty pounds,
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red coat, sunglasses,
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near the scene at the time of the crime.
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That's about it.
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This case has got 'not guilty insanity'
written all over it.
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It's gonna be very difficult
to get a jury to believe otherwise.
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It might be ...
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Curse on defense
to show insanity,
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we don't have to prove anything.
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The public wants the death penalty
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and the courts are gonna have
to give it to 'em.
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Well, I've never gone
after the death penalty.
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If I was in the legislature,
I'd campaign against it.
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You're not in the legislature.
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In my office, we don't write law.
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We carry it out.
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Listen, if we find whoever did this
and convict him,
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it's just gonna get overturned
somewhere off the line.
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If they overturn us, that's the system.
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But if we get a conviction,
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you put on the record
that you can prosecute this.
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The high court's on a dump
but that's final.
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We're going after the death penalty
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as long as the high court
says it's constitutional.
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Period.
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Daddy, I wanna ride my bike.
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Let's go find Mommy first, huh?
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Can I have apple juice?
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Sure. You were such a good boy
at the dentist,
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you can have what you want.
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What's wrong, Andy?
What is it?
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Daddy, what's wrong with Mommy?!
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What's wrong?!
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Where is she?! Where's Mommy?!
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How are you and Whalen gettin' along?
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He wants me on the triple murder case.
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Of course.
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You'll do a good job
and he'll take the credit.
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Well, I'm one of the liberals
he campaigned against.
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A murder conviction of this lunatic,
if they ever haul him in,
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I don't know,
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I don't think there's a jury
in the country that would kill him.
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Well, they'll maybe look into you
to fumble.
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Knowing your feelings,
they'd have a fall guy.
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When I was a PD,
I defended the Rainer boys,
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Tommy and Kevin.
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They were pretty good boys
most of the time, had jobs, no records.
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We went to trial because
these two charming fellows,
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they got an old woman,
tied her with electrical cord,
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left her hog-tied, then sat down
and watched her strangle to death
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for forty minutes.
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I got up, I reminded my jury
how long it took that woman to die.
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They came back in three hours,
not guilty by reason of insanity.
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That jury turned those boys loose
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because they couldn't believe
that anyone could sit
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and watch an old woman
choke to death for forty minutes
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unless they were insane.
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You got a guy that makes those boys
look like the apostles.
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What of my boy? Where's Aaron?
258
00:21:12,823 --> 00:21:13,949
We're looking for him,
Mr. Tippetts.
259
00:21:17,752 --> 00:21:19,106
She's all, I just...
260
00:21:22,206 --> 00:21:24,986
I saw her laying there,
her body was all cut open.
261
00:21:27,804 --> 00:21:28,587
Oh, my God...
262
00:21:37,457 --> 00:21:38,743
Is there anything I can get you?
263
00:21:43,238 --> 00:21:44,664
Will you be staying here tonight?
264
00:21:44,689 --> 00:21:47,022
Oh, God, no!
I can't stay here.
265
00:21:47,047 --> 00:21:49,322
I can't stay at this house.
266
00:21:55,075 --> 00:21:55,603
I wanna talk to him.
267
00:21:59,177 --> 00:22:01,203
An hour ago, the fellow over there,
Eugene Tippetts,
268
00:22:01,228 --> 00:22:03,336
brings his four year old kid
back from the dentist.
269
00:22:04,692 --> 00:22:06,019
Finds his wife in the bedroom back there,
270
00:22:07,102 --> 00:22:09,492
shot three times, small caliber,
and mutilated like the others.
271
00:22:09,516 --> 00:22:11,083
Was she sexually assaulted?
272
00:22:13,402 --> 00:22:14,979
Entry apparently
through an unlocked back door.
273
00:22:15,911 --> 00:22:16,654
The guy just walked in.
274
00:22:18,606 --> 00:22:20,487
Tippetts has another son,
about five years old.
275
00:22:21,717 --> 00:22:22,416
His name is Aaron.
276
00:22:22,441 --> 00:22:23,996
He was with the mother.
277
00:22:24,909 --> 00:22:26,321
He's not home now. We're looking for him.
278
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,276
I love you...
279
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:38,570
Somebody start checking
with the utilities...
280
00:22:43,228 --> 00:22:44,773
A neighbor saw a white Chevy
pull up to the house.
281
00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:49,225
Saw the driver. Described as a white male,
twenty to thirty, long black hair,
282
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:54,791
six foot, one fifty to one seventy,
old blue jeans, a red parka, sunglasses.
283
00:22:55,709 --> 00:22:56,371
It's gotta be him.
284
00:22:56,396 --> 00:22:57,684
The witness knows the guy.
285
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:59,773
He says he lives a couple of blocks away
with his mother.
286
00:22:59,798 --> 00:23:02,996
His name is Charles Edward, excuse me,
Edmund Reece.
287
00:23:18,111 --> 00:23:19,910
Thirty three zero five El Dorado,
this is it, the Reece house.
288
00:23:19,935 --> 00:23:21,585
Do we go in now or wait for a warrant?
289
00:23:21,610 --> 00:23:22,391
If we have to arrest
with a search warrant,
290
00:23:22,416 --> 00:23:23,617
it'll take a couple of hours minimum.
291
00:23:23,642 --> 00:23:25,966
We have sufficient cause to arrest the guy
if he's home now.
292
00:23:25,991 --> 00:23:27,367
He's a suspect in four murders.
293
00:23:36,086 --> 00:23:36,877
Cover the back door.
294
00:23:48,076 --> 00:23:48,875
Looks like a Holiday Inn.
295
00:24:07,477 --> 00:24:08,042
Can you hear me?
296
00:24:08,067 --> 00:24:09,516
Sedatives and tranquilizers.
297
00:24:09,541 --> 00:24:11,582
All presciptions for Mrs. Naomi Reece.
298
00:24:17,204 --> 00:24:18,480
Mrs. Reece,
we're from the Police Department.
299
00:24:18,504 --> 00:24:20,798
But why are you in my house?
300
00:24:20,823 --> 00:24:21,757
We're looking for your son.
Is he home now?
301
00:24:21,782 --> 00:24:23,900
But I'm... did something happen?
302
00:24:23,925 --> 00:24:25,381
We're gonna search your house now,
Mrs. Reece.
303
00:24:25,406 --> 00:24:26,620
You can come with us if you want,
d'ya understand?
304
00:24:27,957 --> 00:24:29,229
Sounds like consent to me.
305
00:24:29,254 --> 00:24:30,227
Where's Charlie's room?
306
00:24:31,829 --> 00:24:33,257
Stop it. Stop it.
307
00:24:34,584 --> 00:24:35,385
Don't go in here.
308
00:24:35,410 --> 00:24:36,071
Move out of the way, ma'am.
309
00:24:36,846 --> 00:24:37,522
You can't be in here!
310
00:24:37,547 --> 00:24:39,235
Mrs. Reece,
just stand out of the way!
311
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:40,061
Stop it!
312
00:24:40,086 --> 00:24:41,172
There's a cellar back here.
313
00:24:41,197 --> 00:24:41,919
Get out of here,
get out of here!
314
00:24:47,403 --> 00:24:48,028
Stay here.
315
00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:48,634
Locked.
316
00:24:48,659 --> 00:24:49,654
Stop it. Stop it!
317
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:50,145
Cut 'em off.
318
00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:52,571
Get away from me. Let me go!
319
00:24:52,596 --> 00:24:53,386
Stay out of it!
320
00:24:54,318 --> 00:24:55,257
Get your hands off of me!
321
00:24:56,460 --> 00:24:57,237
Do not touch me!
322
00:24:58,128 --> 00:24:58,911
What's that smell?
323
00:24:59,514 --> 00:25:01,346
You cannot even
look in here. This is his special room.
324
00:25:01,371 --> 00:25:02,437
He never lets any...
325
00:25:12,381 --> 00:25:13,840
Go to Tippett's house.
Get the ID techs over here.
326
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:17,944
Get out, get out, get out.
327
00:25:17,969 --> 00:25:19,701
Get out, get out.
328
00:25:19,726 --> 00:25:20,892
Get out of here!
329
00:25:20,917 --> 00:25:21,605
This is an emergency, ma'am.
330
00:25:25,246 --> 00:25:26,421
Charlie, what were you doing?
331
00:25:30,294 --> 00:25:32,437
Got some shells over here,
they look like twenty-two's.
332
00:25:32,462 --> 00:25:33,073
Don't touch 'em.
333
00:25:33,984 --> 00:25:35,918
My God. This looks like brains.
334
00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:43,809
Who's in charge?
335
00:25:59,870 --> 00:26:00,793
The Tippett's kid's had it.
336
00:26:00,818 --> 00:26:02,333
If this guy's got him, he's dead.
337
00:26:03,537 --> 00:26:05,633
We can't believe he's dead.
338
00:26:05,658 --> 00:26:08,263
Our own justification for being here
is that we believe that boy's alive.
339
00:26:09,951 --> 00:26:10,723
Alright, let's get pictures
340
00:26:10,748 --> 00:26:12,471
and snag everything
that's not nailed down.
341
00:26:13,164 --> 00:26:14,958
This is our guy, Mel.
It's all in plain view.
342
00:26:23,624 --> 00:26:24,604
You want me to check your oil
and your water?
343
00:26:24,629 --> 00:26:25,671
No, not today. Thanks.
344
00:26:55,218 --> 00:26:55,964
You Charles Reece?
345
00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:57,044
No. He's been gone all day.
346
00:26:58,195 --> 00:26:59,032
You happen to know
when he's coming in?
347
00:26:59,942 --> 00:27:01,954
No. If he's not in by now,
I'd say he's out for the day.
348
00:27:03,185 --> 00:27:03,541
Who wants him?
349
00:27:03,566 --> 00:27:04,172
Are you the owner?
350
00:27:04,197 --> 00:27:05,963
No. I just work here.
351
00:27:07,018 --> 00:27:07,516
What's your name?
352
00:27:07,541 --> 00:27:09,448
Bob. Robert.
353
00:27:10,557 --> 00:27:11,118
Last name.
354
00:27:14,904 --> 00:27:15,448
Excuse me.
355
00:27:53,194 --> 00:27:53,712
Have a nice day.
356
00:28:03,646 --> 00:28:04,229
Whose Chevy is that?
357
00:28:05,201 --> 00:28:05,781
I'm workin' on it.
358
00:28:06,754 --> 00:28:07,591
You wanna open it for me?
359
00:28:08,801 --> 00:28:09,370
Where's the keys?
360
00:28:11,976 --> 00:28:12,746
I don't remember.
361
00:28:12,771 --> 00:28:13,876
Think.
362
00:28:16,276 --> 00:28:17,912
They must be inside,
I'll see if I can find them.
363
00:28:18,669 --> 00:28:19,330
We'll come with you.
364
00:28:27,676 --> 00:28:30,867
This place is such a mess,
I can never find anything. I never...
365
00:28:31,957 --> 00:28:34,181
know if he put the keys up here or...
366
00:28:35,997 --> 00:28:37,627
...or where.
Sometimes, he puts 'em up here.
367
00:28:38,682 --> 00:28:41,438
It could be just about any place.
368
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,336
I don't know, this ring he put all...
369
00:28:44,361 --> 00:28:45,088
Are these yours?
370
00:28:50,877 --> 00:28:51,469
Halt!
371
00:28:51,494 --> 00:28:52,350
Hold it right there!
372
00:28:52,375 --> 00:28:53,065
Halt!
373
00:29:27,236 --> 00:29:27,889
Nobody move!
374
00:29:30,609 --> 00:29:31,687
Move! Move!
375
00:29:32,623 --> 00:29:33,643
Police! Get out of the way!
376
00:29:37,035 --> 00:29:37,625
Stop!
377
00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:38,954
Get your hands up!
378
00:29:39,788 --> 00:29:41,120
Get your hands up
where I can see 'em now!
379
00:29:41,145 --> 00:29:41,919
Where I could see 'em!
380
00:29:41,944 --> 00:29:42,890
Put 'em up!
381
00:29:44,329 --> 00:29:44,894
What's the matter?
382
00:29:46,068 --> 00:29:46,511
Get down on the ground.
383
00:29:46,536 --> 00:29:47,014
What? What?
384
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:47,644
Get down on the ground!
385
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:48,361
I didn't do anything.
386
00:29:48,386 --> 00:29:49,059
Get down on the ground!
387
00:29:49,084 --> 00:29:49,952
It wasn't...
388
00:29:49,977 --> 00:29:52,248
Now! Lay down! Lay down!
389
00:29:52,273 --> 00:29:53,298
I didn't do anything...
390
00:29:53,323 --> 00:29:54,977
Spread it out! Go on! Spread out!
391
00:29:56,126 --> 00:29:56,770
What?
392
00:30:00,988 --> 00:30:01,909
What am I here for?
393
00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:04,002
You killed a woman today.
394
00:30:05,203 --> 00:30:06,249
I need a doctor right away.
395
00:30:06,274 --> 00:30:09,246
Mr. Reece,
did you kill Eileen Tippetts today?
396
00:30:09,271 --> 00:30:11,046
I need a doctor, please.
397
00:30:11,071 --> 00:30:12,831
Where's the little boy, Mr. Reece?
398
00:30:13,994 --> 00:30:15,002
You'll never understand me.
399
00:30:16,312 --> 00:30:16,771
Why not?
400
00:30:17,201 --> 00:30:18,319
Because you're not chosen.
401
00:30:19,249 --> 00:30:20,155
Ask me another question.
402
00:30:21,191 --> 00:30:22,315
Have you ever seen a psychiatrist?
403
00:30:22,341 --> 00:30:24,210
Yo. Lots of 'em.
404
00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:25,861
Would you like to see one now?
405
00:30:25,886 --> 00:30:26,782
Sure, I would.
406
00:30:28,365 --> 00:30:29,296
You'll find out.
407
00:30:30,002 --> 00:30:31,142
You're gonna get a big surprise.
408
00:30:34,487 --> 00:30:35,945
Mr. Reece, let's cover
a couple load of areas.
409
00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:37,584
How long did you work at the gas station?
410
00:30:40,997 --> 00:30:41,780
Is the shrink here yet?
411
00:30:45,708 --> 00:30:47,079
Dr. Rudin.
412
00:30:47,793 --> 00:30:48,755
Tony Fraser, Assistant DA.
413
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:49,431
Yes, we've met before.
414
00:30:49,456 --> 00:30:50,837
Thank you for coming.
415
00:30:50,862 --> 00:30:51,729
Why did you ask for me?
416
00:30:52,641 --> 00:30:53,427
You're on the duty roster.
417
00:30:53,452 --> 00:30:54,683
Do you know what's goin' on here?
418
00:30:54,708 --> 00:30:57,332
Okay, I want you to find out
anything you can about this little boy,
419
00:30:57,358 --> 00:30:59,072
then I wanna know
what this guy's problems are.
420
00:30:59,097 --> 00:31:00,737
Well, I can't examine him
until after he's been charged.
421
00:31:00,762 --> 00:31:01,888
He's already been charged.
422
00:31:01,913 --> 00:31:03,674
Well, it would be improper
even to talk to him
423
00:31:03,699 --> 00:31:05,344
'till after he's consulted an attorney.
424
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:06,069
He has an attorney.
425
00:31:06,094 --> 00:31:08,690
I just want whatever information
you can get on this little boy.
426
00:31:23,708 --> 00:31:24,439
-Hello, Mrs. Reece.
427
00:31:26,169 --> 00:31:27,552
Remember me, I'm, uh, Albert Morse?
428
00:31:27,577 --> 00:31:29,575
I'm the public defender
assigned to your son's case?
429
00:31:32,761 --> 00:31:33,870
Mrs. Reece, I'm here to help you.
430
00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:47,656
Is this your husband?
431
00:31:49,784 --> 00:31:51,088
He died when Charlie was six.
432
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,452
Charlie's been telling me
that he used to hit you.
433
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:59,123
Ha, Charlie? Never.
434
00:32:00,038 --> 00:32:00,798
No, I meant your husband.
435
00:32:03,627 --> 00:32:07,171
He punch me in the face, yes.
436
00:32:08,202 --> 00:32:10,282
A lot of times, he kick me.
437
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:16,517
I was lyin' on the floor with, uh,
pans, broken dishes all over the place.
438
00:32:18,625 --> 00:32:19,200
Cut myself.
439
00:32:20,775 --> 00:32:22,070
Had to get fifty-two stitches.
440
00:32:24,262 --> 00:32:26,422
He was mad about what somebody
said to him at work.
441
00:32:28,795 --> 00:32:30,927
I had blood in my mouth
and I was beggin' him to stop.
442
00:32:34,471 --> 00:32:35,336
I had to leave him.
443
00:32:35,918 --> 00:32:37,026
We were only separated two months.
444
00:32:38,614 --> 00:32:40,915
He came to the place I was stayin' and
445
00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:44,227
he actually cried.
446
00:32:46,548 --> 00:32:48,824
He apologized, you know, so I came back.
447
00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:52,003
I loved him.
448
00:32:53,485 --> 00:32:54,354
And I missed Charlie.
449
00:32:55,566 --> 00:32:56,805
And I know how much he needed me.
450
00:32:56,830 --> 00:32:58,638
Wait a minute, you mean,
your husband kept the boy?
451
00:33:00,697 --> 00:33:01,681
Did you every report him to the police?
452
00:33:03,404 --> 00:33:04,034
Why was that?
453
00:33:05,503 --> 00:33:06,816
I don't know,
to tell you the honest truth.
454
00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:09,121
Did your husband ever hit Charlie?
455
00:33:09,146 --> 00:33:10,967
He loved Charlie.
456
00:33:12,208 --> 00:33:13,985
He would never hurt Charlie.
Charlie was his darling.
457
00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:16,820
Well he saw him hit you.
458
00:33:19,189 --> 00:33:21,477
Charlie was standing there,
right there.
459
00:33:24,068 --> 00:33:26,061
I covered my eyes
so I wouldn't have to see him starin'.
460
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:33,671
What happened to Charlie
after his father died?
461
00:33:35,864 --> 00:33:38,664
Well, he was seven,
but he wasn't a bad child.
462
00:33:38,689 --> 00:33:41,433
You ask our neighbors.
He, he mowed lawns,
463
00:33:41,458 --> 00:33:43,094
he was always helpin' people.
464
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:48,091
He collected food and old clothes
for poor people. Everybody liked him.
465
00:33:48,116 --> 00:33:49,974
He was on the football team
and the baseball team
466
00:33:49,999 --> 00:33:51,064
at Mt. High.
467
00:33:51,089 --> 00:33:52,754
I have a picture around here somewhere.
468
00:33:52,779 --> 00:33:54,008
So he has no criminal record.
469
00:33:54,033 --> 00:33:54,356
No.
470
00:33:54,381 --> 00:33:55,449
No juvenile offenses.
471
00:33:55,474 --> 00:33:57,543
Nothing. His grades were always good.
472
00:33:57,568 --> 00:33:59,962
He went off to the community college
for a, a year.
473
00:34:03,637 --> 00:34:04,420
He had a hard time.
474
00:34:05,764 --> 00:34:06,664
It was just the two of us.
475
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,580
But I always gave him love.
476
00:34:12,154 --> 00:34:13,620
I don't believe what they're saying
about him.
477
00:34:14,785 --> 00:34:17,693
If I could see him now, I know
Charlie would tell me the real facts.
478
00:34:17,718 --> 00:34:18,860
I understand he'd been hospitalized.
479
00:34:18,885 --> 00:34:21,003
Yeah, at Sunnyslope. They helped him.
480
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:25,256
Well, who was the one who put him
on the hospital, Mrs. Reece?
481
00:34:27,911 --> 00:34:29,739
Well, I told Charlie that I thought
he should see professionals.
482
00:34:31,444 --> 00:34:32,382
Just needs professionals.
483
00:34:34,249 --> 00:34:35,421
He got very upset with me.
484
00:34:38,171 --> 00:34:39,033
But he got better.
485
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,424
They let him out.
486
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,246
He can get better, Mr. Morse.
He's a good person.
487
00:34:46,638 --> 00:34:47,444
Just needs love.
488
00:34:48,804 --> 00:34:50,345
He needs all the love I've got.
489
00:35:01,032 --> 00:35:01,551
Well?
490
00:35:02,170 --> 00:35:03,449
Okay,
he's got a lot of problems.
491
00:35:04,158 --> 00:35:05,277
Serious, pathological problems.
492
00:35:06,115 --> 00:35:07,883
Doctor, does he know the difference
between right and wrong?
493
00:35:07,908 --> 00:35:09,399
He seems confused
and emotionally detached
494
00:35:09,424 --> 00:35:10,470
from the killings.
495
00:35:10,495 --> 00:35:13,222
Am I going to build a limited case
for legal sanity?
496
00:35:15,413 --> 00:35:16,870
It's possible. Yes.
497
00:36:01,164 --> 00:36:03,686
The women were shot,
dragged upstairs and then, mutilated.
498
00:36:04,616 --> 00:36:06,286
The man downstairs was shot
and just left there.
499
00:36:16,513 --> 00:36:20,671
I saw here laying there,
her body was all cut open.
500
00:36:40,769 --> 00:36:42,059
Looks like
In The Wild in there.
501
00:36:44,728 --> 00:36:46,798
Had the presence of mind
to pull the shade at the Ellis house.
502
00:36:49,008 --> 00:36:51,910
Brought a plastic bag with him
so he could take the body parts he wanted.
503
00:36:54,132 --> 00:36:55,327
Brought a concealed weapon with him.
504
00:36:56,682 --> 00:36:59,251
He used a carving knife
from the Ellis kitchen for the mutilation.
505
00:37:01,049 --> 00:37:01,825
I don't see your point.
506
00:37:03,867 --> 00:37:06,847
Well, to inflict this kind of damage,
you'd need a large weapon, right?
507
00:37:08,063 --> 00:37:08,605
Right.
508
00:37:09,118 --> 00:37:11,058
It's hard to carry, hard to conceal.
509
00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:13,979
Maybe he took one away
when he would find one.
510
00:37:14,004 --> 00:37:14,833
That's thinking ahead, George.
511
00:37:16,993 --> 00:37:18,503
I don't know, Tony,
that could be hard to prove.
512
00:37:20,381 --> 00:37:22,033
Yeah, well,
I gotta prove it to myself first.
513
00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:28,487
Didn't he wash the knife after he used it?
514
00:37:30,318 --> 00:37:32,479
Somebody did,
and then took it back to the kitchen.
515
00:37:34,452 --> 00:37:35,084
And then while he was in there,
516
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:36,773
he looks around for something
to drink their blood.
517
00:37:39,399 --> 00:37:40,353
See, there's no panic.
518
00:37:41,275 --> 00:37:42,501
The kitchen wasn't disturbed, was it?
519
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,916
No, I was in there,
he whooped very carefully.
520
00:37:47,941 --> 00:37:48,598
That's my point.
521
00:37:51,125 --> 00:37:52,793
I think he had motivation
for the killings,
522
00:37:55,065 --> 00:37:55,959
and that it was sexual.
523
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,760
Harry, see what else you can find out
about him going back to when he was a kid.
524
00:37:59,912 --> 00:38:01,992
Go back as far as you can, classmates,
girlfriends, whatever.
525
00:38:35,571 --> 00:38:38,026
We wanna look
at the physiology of Mr. Reece's brain.
526
00:38:39,381 --> 00:38:41,437
By that, I mean to see
if it's the right size and shape,
527
00:38:41,462 --> 00:38:43,818
or if there's anything physically wrong
with it.
528
00:38:45,268 --> 00:38:47,464
This machine
is a Magnetic Resonance Scanner.
529
00:38:48,615 --> 00:38:52,012
It uses a powerful magnetic field
and radio waves to give us the sharpest,
530
00:38:52,037 --> 00:38:53,589
clearest image of the brain.
531
00:38:57,413 --> 00:38:59,485
Alright, we're now passing
through the base of the brain.
532
00:39:01,109 --> 00:39:04,646
The temporal lobe and frontal lobe
are coming around,
533
00:39:04,671 --> 00:39:06,098
they're both normal.
534
00:39:07,293 --> 00:39:08,215
There is no mass.
535
00:39:10,443 --> 00:39:12,815
We're passing through the fourth ventricle
and it's normal.
536
00:39:14,109 --> 00:39:16,659
The third ventricle and lateral ventricle
are just coming around
537
00:39:16,684 --> 00:39:17,839
and there are no lesions,
538
00:39:19,072 --> 00:39:19,783
no bumps.
539
00:39:21,181 --> 00:39:22,592
The size and the shape of the brain
are normal.
540
00:39:23,517 --> 00:39:24,985
He appears
to have no structural brain disease.
541
00:39:27,277 --> 00:39:28,053
Good luck, Al.
542
00:39:32,376 --> 00:39:35,273
Charles, I'm Dr. Benjamin Keddie.
I'm a psychiatrist.
543
00:39:35,298 --> 00:39:37,779
I was engaged by your attorney here,
Mr. Morse.
544
00:39:39,474 --> 00:39:42,600
I've gone over your psychological tests
and your magnetic resonance scan,
545
00:39:44,229 --> 00:39:46,457
and I think your best defense is insanity.
546
00:39:47,947 --> 00:39:51,410
Mr. Morse and I will have to convince
the jury of your condition,
547
00:39:52,901 --> 00:39:55,678
so we need you to help us understand it.
548
00:39:55,703 --> 00:39:56,298
You see?
549
00:39:57,019 --> 00:39:58,400
I don't want an insanity defense.
550
00:39:59,817 --> 00:40:01,162
Everything I did was justified.
551
00:40:01,187 --> 00:40:02,482
I had to do it. It was all up to me.
552
00:40:03,737 --> 00:40:06,136
Did something tell you
to do those things?
553
00:40:09,166 --> 00:40:09,857
What do you mean?
554
00:40:10,543 --> 00:40:12,609
Well, for example,
did something tell you to go out
555
00:40:12,634 --> 00:40:13,453
and shoot people?
556
00:40:20,441 --> 00:40:21,522
I don't know what it was.
557
00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:23,424
What do you think it was?
558
00:40:24,228 --> 00:40:26,192
Well, that's for you to tell me,
Charles.
559
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:28,956
I hear voices on the radio
sometimes.
560
00:40:28,981 --> 00:40:30,125
What sort of voices, Charles?
561
00:40:30,652 --> 00:40:31,469
Music.
562
00:40:32,214 --> 00:40:33,052
Tellin' me to kill.
563
00:40:37,149 --> 00:40:38,516
There's this one station I listen to.
564
00:40:41,925 --> 00:40:44,085
I listen and I'd hear Satan
telling me to kill.
565
00:40:45,997 --> 00:40:47,563
Sometimes, I think this isn't real.
566
00:40:48,999 --> 00:40:51,454
It's not really messages,
it's not making any sense.
567
00:40:53,508 --> 00:40:55,325
But then finally I figured
it must be true.
568
00:40:57,298 --> 00:40:59,076
So then when I started
to lose all my blood,
569
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:03,456
I figured that it was Satan poisoning me
for not keeping my end of the bargain.
570
00:41:05,033 --> 00:41:06,386
Do you remember
going in to a woman's house
571
00:41:06,411 --> 00:41:07,513
the day you were arrested?
572
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:11,539
She was making trouble,
and her dog was poisoned.
573
00:41:13,627 --> 00:41:15,102
How did you feel
after you killed these people?
574
00:41:16,753 --> 00:41:17,722
Just kind of delirious.
575
00:41:19,264 --> 00:41:20,016
I didn't care.
576
00:41:20,041 --> 00:41:22,422
Well, how did you pick out
this particular family to kill?
577
00:41:23,899 --> 00:41:26,252
I don't know. It was just an accident.
578
00:41:26,277 --> 00:41:27,963
An accident? What do you mean?
579
00:41:30,158 --> 00:41:31,135
There's just no reason, you know.
580
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,291
I just walked out to the door,
and the woman opened the door,
581
00:41:33,316 --> 00:41:34,676
and so I shot her right then.
582
00:41:37,281 --> 00:41:38,415
What happened
to the little boy?
583
00:41:40,115 --> 00:41:44,352
I put him in the trash can
with the lid in a garbage someplace.
584
00:41:45,064 --> 00:41:45,852
Was he still alive?
585
00:41:45,877 --> 00:41:46,816
I don't know.
586
00:41:48,441 --> 00:41:49,777
I might have shot him
a couple of times.
587
00:41:49,802 --> 00:41:50,524
You killed him?
588
00:41:51,335 --> 00:41:53,872
No, I sucked some blood,
and then I got rid of it.
589
00:41:55,471 --> 00:41:57,427
I'm confused, Charlie,
is to how you could hurt people,
590
00:41:58,152 --> 00:42:00,497
a small child who never did you any harm.
591
00:42:01,759 --> 00:42:02,854
Why, I never meant to hurt him.
592
00:42:03,743 --> 00:42:04,668
I needed his blood.
593
00:42:07,744 --> 00:42:09,093
Well, I feel bad about it now, I guess.
594
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:11,385
But not then.
595
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:12,884
Oh no, not then.
596
00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:19,750
Affix time of death in relation
to bullet wounds and knife wounds.
597
00:42:21,016 --> 00:42:22,174
Same with Mrs. Hendrickson.
598
00:42:23,353 --> 00:42:25,916
Further note, Reece knew Mrs. Tippetts.
599
00:42:27,177 --> 00:42:28,123
Did he have a reason for killing her?
600
00:42:28,148 --> 00:42:31,638
Wasn't there a report of a dead dog
to the police department?
601
00:42:31,663 --> 00:42:32,632
Mr. Tippetts is here.
602
00:42:33,642 --> 00:42:34,403
Oh, right.
603
00:42:35,484 --> 00:42:36,095
I need to interview him
604
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,099
and I didn't want him have to do it
at the office.
605
00:42:38,124 --> 00:42:38,673
Okay.
606
00:42:38,698 --> 00:42:39,334
Is it alright?
607
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,695
This is the man whose wife was--
608
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:43,679
I know. He has his son with him.
609
00:42:51,344 --> 00:42:52,050
Thank you for coming.
610
00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:54,825
Hello, son.
611
00:42:54,850 --> 00:42:56,064
Do you have any toys?
612
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:57,570
We might have.
613
00:42:58,491 --> 00:42:59,152
Come on.
614
00:43:10,857 --> 00:43:11,757
Can I have a drink?
615
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:14,860
Sure. What would you like?
616
00:43:15,872 --> 00:43:17,647
Water. No, apple juice.
617
00:43:21,672 --> 00:43:23,271
No, thank you very much,
Mrs. Fraser.
618
00:43:23,296 --> 00:43:24,249
Can I have a Coke?
619
00:43:25,058 --> 00:43:26,866
I think the apple juice would be better
for you, son.
620
00:43:28,172 --> 00:43:29,830
Andrew was asking we had any toys.
621
00:43:33,283 --> 00:43:34,332
Come on, let's talk outside.
622
00:43:35,049 --> 00:43:35,825
Be a good boy, Andrew.
623
00:43:39,923 --> 00:43:40,731
Here you go...
624
00:43:43,509 --> 00:43:45,333
I know it's difficult
to talk about it,
625
00:43:46,586 --> 00:43:50,436
but you were the first person,
aside from your son, to find your wife.
626
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,577
And I need to have the jurors hear you.
627
00:43:55,475 --> 00:43:58,465
I need to have them see her
through your eyes.
628
00:44:00,904 --> 00:44:01,992
They all say that he's nuts.
629
00:44:03,965 --> 00:44:05,054
I'm betting you do think that he's nuts,
don't you?
630
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,592
No, I don't.
631
00:44:09,068 --> 00:44:11,119
I think Reece knew what he was doing
when he killed your wife.
632
00:44:11,144 --> 00:44:14,668
This is, this is, this is...
this is all, it's a waste of time.
633
00:44:14,693 --> 00:44:15,808
It isn't a waste of time--
634
00:44:15,833 --> 00:44:17,221
I don't have the time, mister.
635
00:44:17,246 --> 00:44:18,406
I got no time.
636
00:44:20,026 --> 00:44:22,300
I sit there at home,
and I watch my boy Andrew,
637
00:44:22,325 --> 00:44:23,729
that's all I do, I watch him.
638
00:44:25,537 --> 00:44:27,627
That boy, he's all I got left.
639
00:44:29,177 --> 00:44:29,774
You understand?
640
00:44:29,799 --> 00:44:32,064
We're preparing to meet
Reece's insanity defense.
641
00:44:34,143 --> 00:44:37,796
I'm asking for the death penalty,
which I've never done before.
642
00:44:39,862 --> 00:44:41,120
But I feel, in this case,
643
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:44,836
I think the jury would vote for it.
644
00:44:47,295 --> 00:44:49,052
You have to understand, if he's acquitted,
645
00:44:49,077 --> 00:44:51,480
or if he's found not guilty
by reason of insanity,
646
00:44:51,504 --> 00:44:54,391
they'll let him out of a hospital
or prison someday
647
00:44:54,416 --> 00:44:56,848
and he'll be on the streets again.
I know you don't want that.
648
00:45:04,862 --> 00:45:05,964
It's a terrible thing to lose a child.
649
00:45:05,989 --> 00:45:08,308
Oh, oh, you don't know.
650
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:09,499
I do know.
651
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:12,313
I had a daughter younger than Aaron.
652
00:45:13,852 --> 00:45:14,970
We lost her six months ago.
653
00:45:17,051 --> 00:45:17,933
Lost her? What do...
654
00:45:17,958 --> 00:45:20,138
That's a little bit different,
ain't it, huh?
655
00:45:20,163 --> 00:45:21,599
You lost her?
656
00:45:22,779 --> 00:45:23,810
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
657
00:45:26,212 --> 00:45:27,081
She had pneumonia.
658
00:45:30,842 --> 00:45:31,796
We thought she was getting better.
659
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,324
When I thought it was past
the dangerous stage, I went back to work.
660
00:45:39,093 --> 00:45:39,993
I had a trial to finish.
661
00:45:43,214 --> 00:45:44,412
My wife stayed at the hospital.
662
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:49,758
The last time I saw my daughter,
she was in an oxygen mask.
663
00:45:53,594 --> 00:45:55,579
I'm, I'm sorry, I...
664
00:45:57,879 --> 00:45:58,761
Jesus, God.
665
00:46:04,154 --> 00:46:05,085
Can I color this book?
666
00:46:05,925 --> 00:46:08,283
Sure. Wanna color together?
667
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,759
Is this a girl's toy?
668
00:46:16,807 --> 00:46:17,540
I love it.
669
00:46:35,969 --> 00:46:36,902
When my daughter
lost consciousness,
670
00:46:36,927 --> 00:46:40,326
I had to make the decision
and let her die.
671
00:46:41,763 --> 00:46:42,765
I thought it was better for her.
672
00:46:44,215 --> 00:46:45,368
I feel the same about Reece.
673
00:46:47,424 --> 00:46:50,025
Sometimes, life has to be taken.
674
00:46:52,464 --> 00:46:53,557
I need you to help me.
675
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:57,453
What if I just don't show up?
676
00:46:59,092 --> 00:47:01,197
I could have a warrant issued
for your arrest but I'd rather not,
677
00:47:01,222 --> 00:47:02,040
believe me.
678
00:47:04,648 --> 00:47:06,357
I thought a lot about everything
that happened.
679
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,756
We didn't go to church,
I ain't got no religion,
680
00:47:09,781 --> 00:47:11,010
nothing like that.
681
00:47:12,495 --> 00:47:13,991
I think all this was God's idea.
682
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:15,672
I don't know, Mr. Tippetts,
683
00:47:15,697 --> 00:47:18,537
I just wanna see Reece punished
for what he did to your little--
684
00:47:18,562 --> 00:47:19,234
I don't know why,
685
00:47:19,259 --> 00:47:22,952
but I think God, he, he made a judgment
against us.
686
00:47:42,322 --> 00:47:43,905
Did I tell you what I decided
this morning, tiger?
687
00:47:45,785 --> 00:47:47,600
I think maybe you and me
are gonna leave this town.
688
00:47:47,625 --> 00:47:49,692
Just pack up and head out on the road.
689
00:47:49,717 --> 00:47:50,890
No school?
690
00:47:50,915 --> 00:47:52,222
No, not for a while.
691
00:47:52,247 --> 00:47:55,378
I think we're just gonna get in the car
and drive.
692
00:47:56,228 --> 00:47:57,116
How long for, Daddy?
693
00:47:58,107 --> 00:47:59,142
Well, for a long time.
694
00:47:59,966 --> 00:48:01,206
Aren't we ever gonna stop?
695
00:48:01,231 --> 00:48:04,559
I'm not sure. We're gonna stop but
mainly we're gonna drive
696
00:48:04,584 --> 00:48:05,662
and we're gonna see places.
697
00:48:07,575 --> 00:48:08,335
You like that idea?
698
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:10,592
Can I bring my toys?
699
00:48:11,259 --> 00:48:13,148
Oh, you betcha, you can bring
every single one of 'em.
700
00:48:14,249 --> 00:48:15,460
Is there children to play with?
701
00:48:15,485 --> 00:48:17,702
Lots of children.
You can play with all of 'em.
702
00:48:25,607 --> 00:48:26,814
How many patients are you treating here,
Paul?
703
00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:28,621
Fifty or sixty, something like that.
704
00:48:28,646 --> 00:48:30,504
We're operating way beyond capacity.
705
00:48:32,269 --> 00:48:33,265
Well, you're to be commended.
706
00:48:33,836 --> 00:48:36,537
Usually very ill are treated
by the least trying people
707
00:48:36,562 --> 00:48:37,776
in our profession.
708
00:48:37,801 --> 00:48:38,763
Thank you, Ben.
709
00:48:39,994 --> 00:48:43,130
Paul, it's only a matter of time
before the DA discovers
710
00:48:43,155 --> 00:48:45,503
that you examined Reece here
at Sunnyslope.
711
00:48:45,528 --> 00:48:48,887
No, it, it wasn't me.
It was one of the staff psychologists.
712
00:48:49,859 --> 00:48:50,814
I only discovered it recently.
713
00:48:50,839 --> 00:48:53,158
Less than six months
before the first killing,
714
00:48:53,183 --> 00:48:56,904
you agreed that he was well enough
to be let go.
715
00:48:56,929 --> 00:48:58,649
It was the hospital staff.
716
00:48:59,542 --> 00:49:01,298
They didn't see a potential for violence.
717
00:49:01,891 --> 00:49:03,246
We don't have the money or the time.
718
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:05,396
All we could do was warehouse him.
719
00:49:06,498 --> 00:49:07,408
You're willing
to rely on that
720
00:49:07,433 --> 00:49:08,633
when you get on the witness stand?
721
00:49:11,518 --> 00:49:12,219
Of course, not.
722
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:17,708
When it becomes common knowledge
that you certified Reece
723
00:49:17,733 --> 00:49:19,998
and then let him go,
you're going to be sued.
724
00:49:20,023 --> 00:49:21,958
You'll be sued
by the dead victim's families,
725
00:49:21,983 --> 00:49:23,844
you'll be found guilty of malpractice.
726
00:49:23,869 --> 00:49:26,744
My God, remember that case
that they brought against John Hingris,
727
00:49:26,769 --> 00:49:27,904
psychiatrist?
728
00:49:29,481 --> 00:49:31,438
Failure to predict future violence?
729
00:49:33,806 --> 00:49:36,332
You see, there's no question
that he killed those people.
730
00:49:37,831 --> 00:49:39,647
The only question is why.
731
00:49:42,029 --> 00:49:47,920
Now if he is found guilty on those crimes,
you will be persecuted along with him.
732
00:49:49,052 --> 00:49:50,226
I can't falsify the interview.
733
00:49:50,251 --> 00:49:52,420
I didn't say anything
about falsifying.
734
00:49:52,445 --> 00:49:55,975
My God, Paul, you don't have to falsify
anything in this case.
735
00:49:57,826 --> 00:49:58,775
What are you suggesting?
736
00:50:00,944 --> 00:50:01,682
Change your mind.
737
00:50:01,707 --> 00:50:03,762
How do I explain that?
738
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:06,063
On further reflection,
739
00:50:06,088 --> 00:50:08,812
I think that you'll arrive
at the same diagnosis I did.
740
00:50:09,699 --> 00:50:10,685
Paranoid schizophrenia.
741
00:50:12,325 --> 00:50:14,850
I've never pre-judged a diagnosis
in my life.
742
00:50:15,482 --> 00:50:16,934
Did he ever mention
anything about the nazis
743
00:50:16,959 --> 00:50:19,113
or being persecuted by demons?
744
00:50:20,165 --> 00:50:21,313
No, I would have remembered that.
745
00:50:21,338 --> 00:50:23,806
Then you might wanna include
a few comments on your report
746
00:50:23,831 --> 00:50:26,743
on his persecution delusion.
It's part of his paranoia.
747
00:50:30,284 --> 00:50:31,092
He has that delusion?
748
00:50:31,953 --> 00:50:32,752
I had to draw it out of him,
749
00:50:32,777 --> 00:50:35,446
and it's perfectly consistent
with his interest in human anatomy,
750
00:50:35,471 --> 00:50:38,255
and nazis as a satanic cult.
751
00:50:39,711 --> 00:50:42,213
See, just make a few, small adjustments
in your report.
752
00:50:43,614 --> 00:50:45,554
It'll help to coordinate our presentation.
753
00:50:47,133 --> 00:50:48,911
I'll have to, I have to look at all
my records.
754
00:50:48,936 --> 00:50:50,284
I didn't hear you, Paul.
755
00:50:53,264 --> 00:50:56,853
I said I may have some other records.
I'll have to look for them.
756
00:50:58,155 --> 00:51:00,197
I know you wanna do everything you can
to help this man.
757
00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:04,490
He's sick. We're the only people
who stand between him and death.
758
00:51:05,724 --> 00:51:07,318
The death penalty is intolerable.
759
00:51:08,396 --> 00:51:11,876
You have every right to stretch the truth
if necessary to save his life.
760
00:51:12,713 --> 00:51:14,887
He can spend six months and God knows
how much tax money
761
00:51:14,912 --> 00:51:16,650
proving he committed those crimes.
762
00:51:16,675 --> 00:51:19,911
But if you go my way,
the people will get their guilty plea,
763
00:51:19,936 --> 00:51:22,132
the people will get a shot
at a joint to life
764
00:51:22,157 --> 00:51:24,126
whether it's a state prison,
or mental hospital,
765
00:51:24,151 --> 00:51:25,869
and no one's gonna let this guy out.
766
00:51:25,894 --> 00:51:27,621
He's gonna stay in there
until the cows come home.
767
00:51:27,646 --> 00:51:29,021
It happens all the time.
768
00:51:29,046 --> 00:51:32,991
Guy sent to a mental hospital,
later proves he's no longer dangerous,
769
00:51:33,016 --> 00:51:34,305
and they have to let him go.
770
00:51:34,330 --> 00:51:35,437
Do you really think
that any psychiatrist
771
00:51:35,462 --> 00:51:37,259
is gonna certify this man
for release--
772
00:51:37,284 --> 00:51:38,467
Al, it happens everyday!
773
00:51:38,492 --> 00:51:39,559
Oh, come on, Tony.
774
00:51:39,584 --> 00:51:42,735
It does. What about this guy
who raped a 12-year old girl in the 1980?
775
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,590
Cut off her arms and left her for dead.
776
00:51:44,616 --> 00:51:46,282
He's just been paroled for good behavior.
777
00:51:46,307 --> 00:51:47,925
If he pleads in front of me today,
778
00:51:47,950 --> 00:51:49,861
you're not lookin' at any state hospital,
Al.
779
00:51:50,934 --> 00:51:53,048
We're talkin' life in prison
and I mean it.
780
00:51:53,073 --> 00:51:55,860
We're talkin' about this guy
as if he were just another murderer.
781
00:51:57,517 --> 00:51:59,433
Ten years from now, the parole board
or whatever it's called
782
00:51:59,458 --> 00:52:00,824
will have no memory of this.
783
00:52:01,975 --> 00:52:03,898
Sooner or later, they'll let him go,
they always do.
784
00:52:03,923 --> 00:52:05,034
He's gonna be an old man by this point.
785
00:52:06,044 --> 00:52:08,138
A maximum sentence from me
and I'm sent nasty letters
786
00:52:08,163 --> 00:52:09,379
from the community to the parole board,
787
00:52:09,404 --> 00:52:11,876
you might wind up getting more
than if you went to trial.
788
00:52:13,088 --> 00:52:13,926
I'll take that chance.
789
00:52:13,951 --> 00:52:16,129
What are you gonna tell their families
when the jury comes back in that court
790
00:52:16,154 --> 00:52:17,278
with a second degree verdict?
791
00:52:17,303 --> 00:52:19,227
You're not gonna hold this guy in a joint
too long with that.
792
00:52:20,682 --> 00:52:21,518
I think I can nail this guy.
793
00:52:24,957 --> 00:52:28,358
When a defendant raises
the insanity defense as Mr. Reece has,
794
00:52:29,676 --> 00:52:31,027
trial is divided into three parts.
795
00:52:32,855 --> 00:52:34,642
You must first determine his guilt,
796
00:52:35,936 --> 00:52:39,187
then, his sanity at the time
that the crimes were committed.
797
00:52:40,095 --> 00:52:44,742
If you find him guilty and sane,
then in the third part, the penalty phase,
798
00:52:46,366 --> 00:52:47,991
you must decide whether he will live
or die.
799
00:52:53,696 --> 00:52:57,341
He had lots of pets,
dogs, cats, even ducks.
800
00:52:58,692 --> 00:53:00,473
We used to play with the animals
at Wikigrove Park.
801
00:53:02,324 --> 00:53:05,774
He used to go out of his way to avoid
violence of any kind.
802
00:53:07,028 --> 00:53:09,575
Once, one of the guys
we went to school with
803
00:53:10,845 --> 00:53:15,434
got drunk and took a swing at Charlie,
and Charlie didn't hit him back.
804
00:53:16,374 --> 00:53:19,543
He just sort of backed him down,
and tried to reason with him.
805
00:53:21,166 --> 00:53:23,526
I was his scout master.
He was a good boy.
806
00:53:25,515 --> 00:53:28,040
I didn't see him for a few years
'till a few months ago.
807
00:53:31,188 --> 00:53:32,104
He looked like an old man.
808
00:53:34,052 --> 00:53:36,638
His face was pale and his eyes were crazy.
809
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:39,584
And he lost a lot of weight.
810
00:53:41,722 --> 00:53:43,507
He seemed really nervous.
811
00:53:45,376 --> 00:53:47,326
He wanted to know about blood poison.
812
00:53:47,351 --> 00:53:50,174
If I knew anyone who died of blood poison.
813
00:53:52,012 --> 00:53:54,356
I was a nurse at Sunnyslope
when he was a patient there.
814
00:53:55,862 --> 00:53:57,563
I found a diary that he kept.
815
00:53:58,879 --> 00:54:01,070
It, uh, was against the rules,
but I opened it,
816
00:54:02,380 --> 00:54:05,961
and found dates, times, and places
of animals that he had killed.
817
00:54:07,257 --> 00:54:09,962
Dogs, cats, rabbits.
818
00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:14,727
When we heard he was going to be released,
we all raised hell about it,
819
00:54:14,753 --> 00:54:16,764
but, uh, it didn't do any good.
820
00:54:18,495 --> 00:54:20,709
We went together
all through high school.
821
00:54:20,734 --> 00:54:24,597
He was on the football team
and I was a cheerleader.
822
00:54:26,268 --> 00:54:28,800
I didn't have other boyfriends
than just Charles.
823
00:54:31,778 --> 00:54:33,501
He was always very thoughtful.
824
00:54:34,643 --> 00:54:42,375
He used to send me Valentine's flowers,
and we, we were very close.
825
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,427
Did you continue to see Charles
after you both graduated?
826
00:54:46,438 --> 00:54:49,147
Yes, I did.
Uhm, for almost a year afterward.
827
00:54:51,137 --> 00:54:54,089
Would you say your relationship
with Charles was normal relationship?
828
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:58,192
You mean, sexual?
829
00:54:58,217 --> 00:54:59,109
Exactly.
830
00:54:59,846 --> 00:55:02,966
Yes. He was my boyfriend
for almost five years,
831
00:55:02,991 --> 00:55:04,575
I didn't have any other boyfriends.
832
00:55:08,129 --> 00:55:11,164
Dr. Rudin,
did you make a diagnosis of Charles Reece?
833
00:55:11,189 --> 00:55:16,160
Yes. I found that Mr. Reece
was a schizophrenic of the paranoid type.
834
00:55:16,185 --> 00:55:17,921
And what did you base that diagnosis?
835
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:19,618
May I consult my notes?
836
00:55:19,643 --> 00:55:20,574
Absolutely.
837
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,962
Well, first he was chaotic
in his thinking.
838
00:55:24,987 --> 00:55:27,470
He couldn't follow or reply
to any of my questions.
839
00:55:29,203 --> 00:55:31,472
He had delusions, for example,
that Mr. Tippetts was a nazi
840
00:55:31,497 --> 00:55:32,607
out to harm him.
841
00:55:32,632 --> 00:55:34,513
He didn't show any of the reactions
you'd expect
842
00:55:34,538 --> 00:55:36,707
from someone who's committed
a hideous crime.
843
00:55:38,198 --> 00:55:39,092
This is exactly what I was afraid of.
844
00:55:39,117 --> 00:55:41,725
I want the information that would dug up
on this guy.
845
00:55:43,638 --> 00:55:44,803
He believes that his blood is poisoned,
846
00:55:46,054 --> 00:55:47,444
that his internal organs
aren't functioning,
847
00:55:47,469 --> 00:55:49,361
and that his heart is failing.
848
00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:51,439
Any of these things true?
849
00:55:55,936 --> 00:55:57,156
Now Dr. Rudin, this is very important.
850
00:55:58,645 --> 00:56:02,245
Do you think that Charles Reece understood
the nature and quality of his acts?
851
00:56:02,894 --> 00:56:06,002
I would say that he had a sense
that he was killing,
852
00:56:06,027 --> 00:56:09,357
but he didn't rationally understand
what he was doing.
853
00:56:10,649 --> 00:56:12,506
Your honor, I have a request
that I be permitted to re-examine
854
00:56:12,531 --> 00:56:13,551
Dr. Rudin as a hostile witness.
855
00:56:13,576 --> 00:56:14,671
Objection, Your Honor.
856
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,348
Dr. Rudin is the people's own
psychiatrist.
857
00:56:17,373 --> 00:56:20,995
Just because Mr. Fraser does not hear
the answers he wants does not mean--
858
00:56:21,020 --> 00:56:23,473
I have certain representations
from this witness prior to trial,
859
00:56:23,497 --> 00:56:24,943
and during his direct examinations,
860
00:56:24,968 --> 00:56:27,839
and he's now testifying in a completely
different manner.
861
00:56:29,044 --> 00:56:31,322
Objection overruled.
Go ahead, Mr. Fraser.
862
00:56:31,347 --> 00:56:32,214
Thank you, Your Honor.
863
00:56:36,236 --> 00:56:37,923
You've treated many schizophrenics.
864
00:56:38,728 --> 00:56:39,421
Yes, I have.
865
00:56:40,263 --> 00:56:42,840
Most of them live reasonably
normal lives, don't they?
866
00:56:42,865 --> 00:56:44,842
Some do. Some are hospitalized.
867
00:56:45,533 --> 00:56:47,812
But they all function,
whether they're in the hospital
868
00:56:47,837 --> 00:56:50,088
or outside without killing people.
869
00:56:50,113 --> 00:56:51,163
Yes.
870
00:56:51,735 --> 00:56:53,903
Some even hold jobs, raise families.
871
00:56:53,929 --> 00:56:55,252
If they're treated.
872
00:56:55,277 --> 00:56:57,664
Some may require medication to function.
873
00:56:58,631 --> 00:56:59,222
But not all.
874
00:56:59,834 --> 00:57:00,820
No, not all.
875
00:57:01,858 --> 00:57:02,534
No.
876
00:57:03,718 --> 00:57:09,003
Delusions and abnormal states don't
necessarily equal murder,
877
00:57:09,536 --> 00:57:12,086
even for people who have the same disorder
as the defendant.
878
00:57:12,111 --> 00:57:14,328
Objection, Your Honor.
Counsel has again commented.
879
00:57:14,353 --> 00:57:15,824
Ask a question, Mr. Fraser.
880
00:57:16,967 --> 00:57:18,190
Based on your observations,
881
00:57:19,295 --> 00:57:20,678
do you consider him a threat
to the safety of others?
882
00:57:21,991 --> 00:57:23,994
I would say so. Yes.
883
00:57:30,064 --> 00:57:32,101
Doctor, you said you were on the staff
at Sunnyslope Hospital.
884
00:57:34,437 --> 00:57:35,683
I'm a consultant there, yes.
885
00:57:37,721 --> 00:57:38,934
Well, during the summer of 1986,
886
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,750
do you remember seeing the defendant
as a patient?
887
00:57:43,514 --> 00:57:44,059
I do not.
888
00:57:44,084 --> 00:57:45,080
You didn't see him?
889
00:57:46,709 --> 00:57:49,872
I said, I don't recall him
if he was there--
890
00:57:49,897 --> 00:57:51,152
Let me refresh your memory.
891
00:57:51,177 --> 00:57:52,150
These are hospital records.
892
00:57:52,175 --> 00:57:56,047
You certified for release,
July 29th, 1986.
893
00:57:56,784 --> 00:57:59,666
I didn't release him.
This was a junior member of the staff.
894
00:58:00,994 --> 00:58:01,926
Well, now, Doctor,
895
00:58:03,549 --> 00:58:06,961
if a member of your staff
certified him for release
896
00:58:06,987 --> 00:58:10,221
just six months before he went
on a murderous rampage,
897
00:58:10,246 --> 00:58:13,042
doesn't that mean that he didn't
manifest any of the symptoms
898
00:58:13,067 --> 00:58:15,005
that allerted you to his dangerousness?
899
00:58:16,006 --> 00:58:17,194
It was not my decision.
900
00:58:18,435 --> 00:58:20,844
Did you approach
the interview you had with the defendant
901
00:58:20,869 --> 00:58:22,803
at the police department
with any prejudices?
902
00:58:22,828 --> 00:58:24,449
I most certainly did not.
903
00:58:25,768 --> 00:58:30,057
He killed several people, cuts them up,
and drinks their blood,
904
00:58:30,082 --> 00:58:32,297
and knowing these things,
you didn't go in there
905
00:58:32,322 --> 00:58:33,526
thinking he might be crazy?
906
00:58:33,551 --> 00:58:34,660
I did not. No.
907
00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:35,252
Why not?
908
00:58:35,979 --> 00:58:38,031
Because people can commit
multiple murders
909
00:58:38,056 --> 00:58:41,038
and still not be, to use your word,
crazy.
910
00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:46,887
So it's possible then, for a person
to commit a string of sadistic murders
911
00:58:46,912 --> 00:58:48,791
and still be found legally sane.
912
00:58:56,576 --> 00:58:57,254
Yes.
913
00:59:07,369 --> 00:59:08,607
The DA just arrived.
914
00:59:11,863 --> 00:59:12,975
Watch out down here,
you might slip.
915
00:59:14,109 --> 00:59:14,669
Right here.
916
00:59:15,592 --> 00:59:16,169
Right here!
917
00:59:16,194 --> 00:59:17,799
Where were you when you boys
seen it?
918
00:59:17,824 --> 00:59:19,824
We were here fishing
919
00:59:23,312 --> 00:59:25,157
These two kids found the body
about an hour and a half ago.
920
00:59:26,487 --> 00:59:27,209
They're down here fishing.
921
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:29,499
That's it down there.
922
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:32,251
We haven't made a positive ID yet,
923
00:59:33,137 --> 00:59:34,674
but it looks like little Aaron Tippetts,
for sure.
924
00:59:36,934 --> 00:59:38,769
John, where the hell are the medics?
925
00:59:56,353 --> 00:59:56,981
Hello.
926
01:00:00,613 --> 01:00:01,803
Who is this? Who's calling?
927
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:08,090
Just a moment.
928
01:00:12,475 --> 01:00:13,235
It's for you.
929
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:14,310
Are you okay?
930
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:23,918
Who is this?
931
01:00:25,547 --> 01:00:26,721
You've gotta get me moved
to another jail.
932
01:00:28,238 --> 01:00:29,573
They'll poison me here.
933
01:00:31,154 --> 01:00:32,885
Don't ever call me at home again.
934
01:00:34,006 --> 01:00:34,959
Do you understand that?
935
01:00:35,794 --> 01:00:38,691
If you call me here again, I'll make sure
your phone privileges are revoked.
936
01:00:40,736 --> 01:00:42,103
I can tell you anything you wanna know.
937
01:00:42,128 --> 01:00:44,639
If you wanna talk to me,
do it through your attorney.
938
01:00:55,553 --> 01:00:56,439
That was Reece, wasn't it?
939
01:00:58,189 --> 01:00:59,851
He can just call here anytime he wants?
940
01:01:00,753 --> 01:01:01,831
I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.
941
01:01:01,856 --> 01:01:04,755
My God, he was talking to me.
This crazy killer knows our number.
942
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:07,076
I'm sorry, Kate. I'm sorry
this guy has talked to you. Kate?
943
01:01:08,661 --> 01:01:13,654
Dr. Gables, were you asked to determine
whether the defendant was sane or insane
944
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:14,627
at the time of the killings?
945
01:01:16,539 --> 01:01:18,318
What sort of, uh, examinations
did you perform on him?
946
01:01:18,877 --> 01:01:20,544
I reviewed all the medical
and neurological studies
947
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:23,150
that had been done on Mr. Reece
including brain wave tests,
948
01:01:23,175 --> 01:01:24,820
and specialized x-rays of his brain.
949
01:01:24,845 --> 01:01:28,509
I also performed extensive
psychiatric examinations on him
950
01:01:28,534 --> 01:01:29,444
over a clinical period.
951
01:01:29,469 --> 01:01:31,185
And what were your findings?
952
01:01:31,211 --> 01:01:34,817
I found him to have no medical
and neurological illness of any type,
953
01:01:35,838 --> 01:01:38,486
his nervous system is intact,
his general physical health is good.
954
01:01:39,298 --> 01:01:41,106
He is, in my judgment, legally sane.
955
01:01:41,869 --> 01:01:43,406
What other reasons do you have
for stating your opinion
956
01:01:43,431 --> 01:01:44,729
that the defendant is sane?
957
01:01:45,499 --> 01:01:46,518
He knows right from wrong,
958
01:01:46,543 --> 01:01:49,148
He went to work,
ran from the police,
959
01:01:50,497 --> 01:01:51,560
told me he'd killed some people,
960
01:01:52,448 --> 01:01:54,512
he took to avoid
observation and detection,
961
01:01:55,488 --> 01:01:56,890
sometimes, with me, he became evasive,
962
01:01:56,915 --> 01:02:00,580
made very deliberate concious choices
of what he would or wouldn't talk about--
963
01:02:00,605 --> 01:02:02,824
What sort of things
didn't he wanna talk about?
964
01:02:02,849 --> 01:02:03,505
I'm sorry?
965
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:05,135
What sort of things
didn't he wanna talk about?
966
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,370
Why he killed people,
where evidence might be found,
967
01:02:09,395 --> 01:02:10,957
things that would hurt him legally.
968
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:14,223
Doctor, did he know he was killing
living human beings?
969
01:02:14,249 --> 01:02:17,152
Oh, but that was the point,
that was why he did it.
970
01:02:18,723 --> 01:02:21,114
He claims he has a belief that his body
is failing and infected,
971
01:02:21,139 --> 01:02:23,427
and he's convinced himself
someone else's blood will repair him.
972
01:02:24,483 --> 01:02:25,667
He had to kill them to get the blood.
973
01:02:26,313 --> 01:02:28,540
And you wouldn't, uh,
characterize that as insane.
974
01:02:29,296 --> 01:02:30,281
Not into the law.
975
01:02:31,032 --> 01:02:32,856
Reece's thinking is peculiar,
perhaps psychotic,
976
01:02:32,881 --> 01:02:35,062
but at all times, he knew
what he was doing,
977
01:02:35,754 --> 01:02:36,578
knew that it was wrong,
978
01:02:36,603 --> 01:02:41,076
and he has the capacity to control
his behavior to not kill.
979
01:02:43,217 --> 01:02:43,970
No further questions.
980
01:02:44,684 --> 01:02:45,816
Dr. Gables,
981
01:02:47,884 --> 01:02:51,020
do you believe that Charles Reece
has a serious mental illness?
982
01:02:52,517 --> 01:02:55,299
Yes, I do. I've said so several times,
that he's probably psychotic.
983
01:02:55,324 --> 01:02:56,649
I'm sorry if I haven't made myself clear.
984
01:02:56,674 --> 01:02:58,883
Oh, well, that's alright, Doc,
we'll take care of that right now.
985
01:03:00,838 --> 01:03:06,066
Dr. Leon Gables, you've testified
in over fifty cases, haven't you,
986
01:03:06,091 --> 01:03:06,781
as an expert witness?
987
01:03:07,610 --> 01:03:08,276
That's correct.
988
01:03:08,849 --> 01:03:11,482
And each of those cases, you have
always testified for the prosecution
989
01:03:11,506 --> 01:03:13,500
and against the defendant,
is that correct?
990
01:03:15,794 --> 01:03:18,351
In each of the cases'
which I've testified as an expert,
991
01:03:18,376 --> 01:03:22,435
I've made an individual opinion
on a merit case by casee basis.
992
01:03:22,460 --> 01:03:26,237
That's good, Doctor, but in every case,
you have supported the prosecution,
993
01:03:26,262 --> 01:03:27,113
is that correct?
994
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:29,647
Essentially, yes.
995
01:03:30,290 --> 01:03:32,312
Don't you have a nickname
in the prosecutorial community?
996
01:03:33,289 --> 01:03:33,930
Your Honor, I object!
997
01:03:33,955 --> 01:03:35,332
Aren't you known as Dr. Death?
998
01:03:35,357 --> 01:03:36,904
Your Honor, this is argumentative.
999
01:03:36,929 --> 01:03:40,749
He has testified in fifty-three murder
cases and fifty-three convictions.
1000
01:03:40,774 --> 01:03:43,348
That's his nickname, Your Honor,
ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
1001
01:03:43,373 --> 01:03:44,486
this is Dr. Death.
1002
01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:45,551
Objection!
1003
01:03:50,971 --> 01:03:51,934
Okay, Charlie, it's lunchtime.
1004
01:03:57,243 --> 01:03:57,943
Thanks.
1005
01:04:01,296 --> 01:04:03,107
What's it like to actually drink
somebody's blood, Charlie?
1006
01:04:05,493 --> 01:04:06,507
I love watching people die.
1007
01:04:08,649 --> 01:04:09,990
Made 'em swiggle and squirm
all over the place,
1008
01:04:10,015 --> 01:04:11,022
and then, they just stop.
1009
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,788
Oh, I'd cut 'em with a knife
and watch their face turn real white.
1010
01:04:17,352 --> 01:04:18,343
I loved all that blood.
1011
01:04:18,369 --> 01:04:20,281
They're gonna gash you
if you keep talking like that.
1012
01:04:23,989 --> 01:04:25,698
I'd rather die
than spend the rest of my life in prison.
1013
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:31,993
I must've been real sick to do all that.
1014
01:04:45,859 --> 01:04:47,155
Boy, these sure are good.
1015
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:51,208
What the hell are you doing?!
1016
01:05:41,036 --> 01:05:42,814
Get out of the way.
1017
01:07:21,405 --> 01:07:21,973
Where is the...
1018
01:07:21,998 --> 01:07:22,521
What do you want?
1019
01:07:24,194 --> 01:07:25,310
Where's the blood?!
1020
01:07:53,022 --> 01:07:53,898
Daddy!
1021
01:08:09,256 --> 01:08:10,123
Hold it right there!
1022
01:08:26,627 --> 01:08:28,798
Why the hell are they letting this guy
have something he could sharpen?
1023
01:08:28,823 --> 01:08:32,071
Any mention of his attempt to escape
or any reference to dead or injured guards
1024
01:08:32,096 --> 01:08:33,170
or the priest.
1025
01:08:33,195 --> 01:08:34,272
On what grounds?
1026
01:08:34,875 --> 01:08:36,596
It's not probative on the question
of guilt or innocence.
1027
01:08:36,622 --> 01:08:38,155
Oh, you're funny. Ah, you know--
1028
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:41,426
Who the hell knows why he tried
to escape? Al's right. It's not probative.
1029
01:08:42,393 --> 01:08:43,572
I'm gonna grant the motion.
1030
01:08:43,597 --> 01:08:44,308
Thank you, Your Honor.
1031
01:08:47,771 --> 01:08:49,672
Dr. Keddie, is it your opinion that
one of the reasons
1032
01:08:49,697 --> 01:08:51,751
Charles Reece killed these people was
1033
01:08:51,776 --> 01:08:53,627
that he was afraid
they were poisoning him?
1034
01:08:54,676 --> 01:08:55,583
That was the primary reason.
1035
01:08:56,110 --> 01:08:58,017
It was a frantic, misguided effort
of self defense.
1036
01:08:59,380 --> 01:09:02,004
Was he capable of understanding
the nature and the quality of his acts?
1037
01:09:02,731 --> 01:09:03,561
Absolutely not.
1038
01:09:03,586 --> 01:09:06,308
The power of his delusions
overwhelmed his freedom of choice.
1039
01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:07,485
Thank you very much, Doctor.
1040
01:09:09,815 --> 01:09:13,190
Doctor, isn't it just possible
that this man killed his victims
1041
01:09:13,215 --> 01:09:14,788
because he enjoyed inflicting cruelty?
1042
01:09:14,813 --> 01:09:15,681
Definitely not.
1043
01:09:16,375 --> 01:09:18,391
His delusional need for blood
was the primary motivation
1044
01:09:18,416 --> 01:09:19,380
for what he did.
1045
01:09:20,414 --> 01:09:22,273
But didn't he kill
in this grotesque manner
1046
01:09:22,298 --> 01:09:24,515
because his purpose was also sadistic?
1047
01:09:25,350 --> 01:09:26,649
As a trained psychiatrist, I would say
1048
01:09:26,675 --> 01:09:29,792
that that is not in accord
with the evidence, as I perceive it.
1049
01:09:30,567 --> 01:09:32,483
As a trained psychiatrist,
are you saying
1050
01:09:32,507 --> 01:09:35,405
that a man who commits
on a woman he has just killed
1051
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:37,233
isn't driven by a sadistic impulse?
1052
01:09:37,891 --> 01:09:40,651
I found no evidence that Mr. Reece
was motivated by sadistic feelings.
1053
01:09:41,557 --> 01:09:43,870
Doctor, didn't the nazis
have a delusion
1054
01:09:43,895 --> 01:09:46,104
about the Jews
causing the world's problems?
1055
01:09:47,346 --> 01:09:49,364
When an entire culture or even
a large group of people
1056
01:09:49,389 --> 01:09:50,324
believe in something,
1057
01:09:50,349 --> 01:09:53,575
I doubt that we could psychiatrically
label it as a delusion.
1058
01:09:54,638 --> 01:09:56,475
It may be wrong,
it may be a mistaken prejudice,
1059
01:09:56,499 --> 01:09:57,690
but it is not delusional.
1060
01:09:58,836 --> 01:10:01,235
Direct your attention
to the jury instructions for insanity
1061
01:10:01,260 --> 01:10:03,413
and tell me, doctor,
if you would find the nazis insane.
1062
01:10:03,438 --> 01:10:04,626
Objection!
1063
01:10:04,651 --> 01:10:05,803
I'll permit him to answer.
1064
01:10:07,208 --> 01:10:08,815
All the instructions refer to the word
"legal,"
1065
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,918
for other nations, we're not talking
about the same thing at all.
1066
01:10:12,707 --> 01:10:14,143
Would you find the nazis
who killed
1067
01:10:14,168 --> 01:10:18,128
because of their belief in Jewish evil
insane using the California standard?
1068
01:10:20,044 --> 01:10:22,906
Those who operated on this belief,
and I think it fair to call this belief,
1069
01:10:22,931 --> 01:10:24,424
a disease,
1070
01:10:25,627 --> 01:10:26,962
I would generally find insane.
1071
01:10:27,544 --> 01:10:29,948
Even though they were organized enough
to set up gas chambers?
1072
01:10:29,973 --> 01:10:31,286
Extermination camps?
1073
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,008
Ride railroads carrying Jewish victims?
1074
01:10:34,033 --> 01:10:36,537
In fact, organized a whole apparatus
of government
1075
01:10:36,562 --> 01:10:38,230
around the idea of killing Jews?
1076
01:10:39,821 --> 01:10:42,165
I think most people agree that the nazis
were insane.
1077
01:10:42,190 --> 01:10:44,316
And you find the defendant insane
for the same reasons?
1078
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:46,689
Well, I don't follow you.
1079
01:10:47,527 --> 01:10:48,567
He believed blood would cure him,
1080
01:10:48,592 --> 01:10:49,812
they believed Jews were evil.
1081
01:10:49,837 --> 01:10:51,293
They both killed for their beliefs,
didn't they?
1082
01:10:51,987 --> 01:10:53,090
I don't see the parallels.
1083
01:10:54,879 --> 01:10:56,081
The defendant, like the nazis,
1084
01:10:56,106 --> 01:10:58,413
was able to organize
his own transportation.
1085
01:10:58,438 --> 01:11:01,775
Like the nazis, he brought tools of death
with him,
1086
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,085
carried out his deeds and secret
like the nazis.
1087
01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:06,829
Don't all these things point away
from him being insane?
1088
01:11:07,716 --> 01:11:10,502
Mr. Fraser,
you find Mr. Reece better organized
1089
01:11:10,527 --> 01:11:11,192
than I do.
1090
01:11:13,673 --> 01:11:16,831
Do you understand the effect
of your opinions, doctor?
1091
01:11:18,526 --> 01:11:22,165
Under your theory, both the defendant
and the nazis
1092
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:25,740
would be free from criminal responsibility
for their actions, wouldn't they?
1093
01:11:25,765 --> 01:11:26,596
That's not what I said.
1094
01:11:26,621 --> 01:11:30,152
I'm here to give my opinions
on the questions you put up.
1095
01:11:30,177 --> 01:11:32,576
You said the defendant
was unable to make choices.
1096
01:11:32,601 --> 01:11:37,248
I believe I said that he was not capable
of full, mature reflection on his actions.
1097
01:11:37,273 --> 01:11:40,085
You mean that, he couldn't control
himself?
1098
01:11:41,006 --> 01:11:42,280
That his actions were inevitable?
1099
01:11:43,019 --> 01:11:43,952
His behavior
was conditioned
1100
01:11:43,977 --> 01:11:46,472
by forces beyond his control.
1101
01:11:46,496 --> 01:11:49,286
Would you modify your opinion
about the defendant's capacity to choose
1102
01:11:49,311 --> 01:11:52,362
between moral alternatives
if you knew that he tried to escape--
1103
01:11:52,387 --> 01:11:53,262
Objection, Your Honor!
1104
01:11:53,287 --> 01:11:54,865
Your Honor knows my reason very well!
1105
01:11:55,878 --> 01:11:57,274
But I'm going to allow him
to answer.
1106
01:11:57,299 --> 01:11:58,646
This is expert opinion.
1107
01:11:59,228 --> 01:12:00,344
I would not change my opinion.
1108
01:12:00,369 --> 01:12:02,845
Trying to escape was expectable
under the circumstances.
1109
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:05,460
It has no bearing under his overall
ability to choose.
1110
01:12:05,485 --> 01:12:09,413
Why is it expectable for someone being
held for murder to try to escape?
1111
01:12:09,438 --> 01:12:10,265
It's natural.
1112
01:12:10,290 --> 01:12:10,824
Normal?
1113
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:11,511
Objection!
1114
01:12:11,536 --> 01:12:12,333
Let him finish.
1115
01:12:14,133 --> 01:12:16,220
It was instinctive.
Choice had little to do with it.
1116
01:12:16,245 --> 01:12:19,318
Isn't the mere fact of his attempt
to escape prove to you
1117
01:12:19,343 --> 01:12:20,976
that he knew what he had done was wrong?
1118
01:12:21,001 --> 01:12:21,757
It is not.
1119
01:12:21,782 --> 01:12:24,950
Anyone in this room would've tried
to escape in a similar situation,
1120
01:12:24,975 --> 01:12:26,228
guilty or not.
1121
01:12:27,174 --> 01:12:31,101
Charles Reece is not capable of free will.
My God, I've said that again and again.
1122
01:12:31,126 --> 01:12:32,991
Doctor, have you coached him
on his insanity defense?
1123
01:12:33,016 --> 01:12:33,631
Objection!
1124
01:12:33,656 --> 01:12:34,279
I wanna answer this--
1125
01:12:37,685 --> 01:12:38,369
Let him answer.
1126
01:12:39,718 --> 01:12:40,779
I demand to answer!
1127
01:12:40,804 --> 01:12:41,676
And I'll let him answer,
1128
01:12:41,701 --> 01:12:44,316
but don't you interrupt him again,
Mr. Fraser, you understand me?
1129
01:12:44,341 --> 01:12:45,228
Yes, Your Honor.
1130
01:12:45,253 --> 01:12:46,791
Now I resent the charges you've made.
1131
01:12:47,898 --> 01:12:50,449
I understand the revulsion everyone feels
in the face of brutal murder.
1132
01:12:51,927 --> 01:12:52,880
But I see him, too.
1133
01:12:53,717 --> 01:12:55,640
He shouldn't be killed.
He should be treated and studied.
1134
01:12:57,487 --> 01:12:59,962
What makes up a respectable young man
turn into a killer?
1135
01:13:00,581 --> 01:13:03,141
I wanna save him
because he has that secret.
1136
01:13:04,116 --> 01:13:05,887
Perhaps the next time someone like him
could be treated.
1137
01:13:05,912 --> 01:13:07,376
Perhaps we can vaccinate against murder.
1138
01:13:07,401 --> 01:13:10,843
We need to understand this man
for the betterment of society.
1139
01:13:14,278 --> 01:13:16,016
Even at the price of five lives?
1140
01:13:21,388 --> 01:13:22,986
That may be the most terrible part
of all.
1141
01:13:25,531 --> 01:13:26,493
The price of knowledge.
1142
01:13:31,281 --> 01:13:35,471
There is no doubt that Charles Reece
has to pay for what he has done.
1143
01:13:37,461 --> 01:13:38,670
The payment is hard.
1144
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:42,835
Some people think it's just
about the hardest payment
1145
01:13:42,860 --> 01:13:44,436
that we can conceive of.
1146
01:13:45,617 --> 01:13:49,107
He will be locked up,
without the possibility of ever,
1147
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,481
remember that, of ever getting out
for the rest of his life.
1148
01:13:56,089 --> 01:13:57,943
Once a verdict of death
has been carried out,
1149
01:13:57,968 --> 01:13:58,670
that's final.
1150
01:13:59,719 --> 01:14:01,754
Nothing can change what you've done.
1151
01:14:02,509 --> 01:14:05,123
So you must feel completely secure
in this decision.
1152
01:14:05,148 --> 01:14:09,832
You must feel that this is the only
right verdict in this case.
1153
01:14:13,045 --> 01:14:15,985
If you wake up the day after the verdict
and you say to yourself,
1154
01:14:17,247 --> 01:14:19,648
Oh, my God, I've made a mistake.
1155
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:22,865
It's too late.
1156
01:14:25,742 --> 01:14:26,902
One night, ten years from now,
1157
01:14:26,927 --> 01:14:28,374
you might wake up
in the middle of the night and,
1158
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:31,242
and you suddenly realize
I've made this mistake,
1159
01:14:31,267 --> 01:14:33,016
I sent Charlie to his death.
1160
01:14:34,616 --> 01:14:37,038
And there's nothing that you
or anybody else in this whole world
1161
01:14:37,063 --> 01:14:38,796
can do about that. Not then.
1162
01:14:39,998 --> 01:14:43,838
You see, that's the kind of decision
that you must make.
1163
01:14:47,271 --> 01:14:52,286
The defendant wiped out five people,
our fellow human beings,
1164
01:14:53,783 --> 01:14:57,723
cruelly and brutally,
in the most cold-hearted
1165
01:14:57,748 --> 01:15:01,252
and pre-meditated manner,
he's wiped them off the face of the earth.
1166
01:15:06,597 --> 01:15:07,181
And what has happened?
1167
01:15:10,108 --> 01:15:12,265
Well, we've talked to you in great length.
1168
01:15:13,764 --> 01:15:15,495
Not about the victims
but about the defendant!
1169
01:15:18,389 --> 01:15:19,248
About his life.
1170
01:15:20,788 --> 01:15:25,034
About his feelings, his problems,
his needs, his desires,
1171
01:15:26,485 --> 01:15:30,128
and in the final, brutal act, he is trying
to steal the compassion
1172
01:15:30,153 --> 01:15:32,127
that belongs to those victims!
1173
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:42,035
Those victims deserve their time
in this courtroom.
1174
01:15:47,773 --> 01:15:48,917
Now, we've heard medical evidence
1175
01:15:50,797 --> 01:15:54,064
saying that it took the defendant
three minutes to butcher Barbara Ellis
1176
01:15:54,089 --> 01:15:55,065
after he shot her.
1177
01:15:56,245 --> 01:16:01,677
And she was just one of five victims.
1178
01:16:05,546 --> 01:16:09,276
We are now going to stop for three minutes
1179
01:16:12,578 --> 01:16:15,763
and I want you to think about what this man
did to her,
1180
01:16:17,176 --> 01:16:19,912
and I want you to also think
about the other four victims,
1181
01:16:22,754 --> 01:16:26,205
and about their last,
precious minutes of life
1182
01:16:26,230 --> 01:16:31,128
as this man horribly,
brutally murdered them.
1183
01:16:35,663 --> 01:16:40,355
This is how long it took
for just one of them to die.
1184
01:18:36,084 --> 01:18:44,061
The life of an innocent human being
is worth more than the life of a murderer.
1185
01:18:49,793 --> 01:18:53,127
Charles Reece must die.
1186
01:18:55,018 --> 01:18:57,261
If you believe the defendant knew
what he was doing,
1187
01:18:57,286 --> 01:18:59,349
then you must find him legally sane.
1188
01:19:01,147 --> 01:19:03,117
If you believe he did not,
then you must him him insane.
1189
01:19:04,223 --> 01:19:07,495
In order to find him guilty, you must find
that he intended to commit the crimes.
1190
01:19:08,525 --> 01:19:11,437
His intention is as much a part
of the offense as the act itself.
1191
01:19:12,972 --> 01:19:15,214
And if you find Mr. Reece
guilty of multiple murder,
1192
01:19:16,798 --> 01:19:19,353
be aware that he could be sentenced to die
in the gas chamber.
1193
01:19:20,632 --> 01:19:22,850
The decision that you make
must be on the evidence
1194
01:19:22,875 --> 01:19:23,980
and not on sympathy.
1195
01:19:24,005 --> 01:19:26,005
This case now remains with you.
1196
01:19:33,582 --> 01:19:34,497
What the hell are we gonna do?
1197
01:19:35,946 --> 01:19:38,491
I can't understand how a decent boy
could change so much.
1198
01:19:39,877 --> 01:19:40,777
He has to be crazy, that's all.
1199
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,142
is possible?
1200
01:19:44,410 --> 01:19:45,990
What would you do if he'd killed
your son or daughter?
1201
01:19:46,932 --> 01:19:48,033
That's how we have to look at it.
1202
01:19:48,679 --> 01:19:50,369
We have to put ourselves in the place
of the victims.
1203
01:19:51,205 --> 01:19:54,154
We've got to try to understand
the difference between real insanity
1204
01:19:55,273 --> 01:19:56,282
and legal insanity.
1205
01:19:56,913 --> 01:19:57,541
How the hell do we do that?
1206
01:19:57,566 --> 01:19:59,060
We've gotta try.
1207
01:19:59,565 --> 01:20:01,639
Everybody admits he did the killings
so let's just deal with the facts.
1208
01:20:01,664 --> 01:20:02,953
We can't just deal with the facts.
1209
01:20:05,197 --> 01:20:07,803
If we send him to a mental institution,
he, he could be released.
1210
01:20:08,848 --> 01:20:10,839
Those psychiatrists and lawyers
won't have to live next door to him,
1211
01:20:10,864 --> 01:20:12,632
we will. Our neighbors will.
1212
01:20:12,657 --> 01:20:15,908
Killing this poor, sick young man
just doesn't make sense, I don't think.
1213
01:20:16,682 --> 01:20:18,995
It's not gonna bring back the victims,
and it's no better than what he did.
1214
01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:20,020
It's insane.
1215
01:20:20,045 --> 01:20:22,314
Well, sure, anybody who did what he did
is insane.
1216
01:20:22,340 --> 01:20:23,980
Dan White was insane.
1217
01:20:25,570 --> 01:20:26,686
Maybe the whole world is insane.
1218
01:20:26,711 --> 01:20:29,264
But that doesn't mean that
we should excuse what he did.
1219
01:20:29,289 --> 01:20:30,902
There has to be rules.
1220
01:20:31,862 --> 01:20:33,965
But you don't take a prisoner's life
just because they're insane.
1221
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:36,463
You kill them if they're insane
and they wanna kill you.
1222
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:47,241
All rise.
1223
01:20:54,546 --> 01:20:55,173
Be seated.
1224
01:20:58,444 --> 01:20:59,761
Have you reached a verdict Mr. Bayles?
1225
01:20:59,786 --> 01:21:00,829
Yes, Your Honor, we have.
1226
01:21:00,854 --> 01:21:02,175
Please hand it to the bailiff.
1227
01:21:06,205 --> 01:21:06,749
Thank you.
1228
01:21:18,802 --> 01:21:20,012
Madame Clerk, please read the verdicts.
1229
01:21:22,524 --> 01:21:24,347
Superior Court of California,
County of Stockton,
1230
01:21:24,372 --> 01:21:27,152
The People of State of California,
Plaintiff,
1231
01:21:27,177 --> 01:21:29,729
versus Charles Edmund Reece,
Defendant.
1232
01:21:30,509 --> 01:21:34,442
We, the jury, in the above-entitled cause,
find the defendant, Charles Edmund Reece,
1233
01:21:34,467 --> 01:21:40,374
guilty of a violation of Section 187
of the Penal Code
1234
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,986
of the State of California, to which,
murder of felony relating to Barbara Ellis
1235
01:21:45,011 --> 01:21:48,933
as charges set forth in count one
of the information on file herein,
1236
01:21:48,958 --> 01:21:51,694
dated March 24, 1987.
1237
01:21:51,719 --> 01:21:54,032
Guilty of a violation of Section 187,
1238
01:21:55,323 --> 01:21:57,866
murder of felony
relating to Robert Hendrickson,
1239
01:21:59,326 --> 01:22:02,073
It isn't over yet. It's only
the first part of the trial.
1240
01:22:02,098 --> 01:22:03,350
We still got a shot to save your life.
1241
01:22:03,375 --> 01:22:06,329
We can still show the jury
that you aren't responsible.
1242
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,052
Your Honor, I'm gonna request
that PET scan be performed to my client
1243
01:22:10,077 --> 01:22:12,423
as reliable way of showing the jury
that he's mentally ill
1244
01:22:12,449 --> 01:22:13,383
during the penalty phase.
1245
01:22:14,351 --> 01:22:17,475
PET scan only proports to show images
of the brain's chemistry
1246
01:22:17,499 --> 01:22:19,049
at a given moment in time.
1247
01:22:19,074 --> 01:22:22,152
In this case, it's after the crime
was committed.
1248
01:22:22,177 --> 01:22:24,440
It doesn't address
the question of responsibility.
1249
01:22:25,419 --> 01:22:28,223
But I understand that it can show
whether or not there is mental illness.
1250
01:22:28,248 --> 01:22:30,040
Your Honor, this is a new form
of brain imaging
1251
01:22:30,065 --> 01:22:33,483
which is used in the diagnosis
of epilepsy, depression,
1252
01:22:33,507 --> 01:22:35,552
Alzheimer's disease, as well as
mental deficiency.
1253
01:22:35,577 --> 01:22:40,122
Depriving Mr. Reece to put this in front
of the jury denies him a fair trial.
1254
01:22:40,147 --> 01:22:41,920
Your Honor, the studies don't all agree.
1255
01:22:41,945 --> 01:22:44,526
It's only another gadget to hide
Reece's responsibility.
1256
01:22:45,865 --> 01:22:47,200
Well, let's air on the side of caution.
1257
01:22:48,525 --> 01:22:49,409
I'm going to order the test.
1258
01:22:49,434 --> 01:22:50,268
Thank you, Your Honor.
1259
01:22:51,407 --> 01:22:52,587
We'll let the jury evaluate it.
1260
01:22:54,684 --> 01:22:55,823
Nobody knows what it'll show.
1261
01:23:02,336 --> 01:23:03,158
You're taking my blood.
1262
01:23:03,183 --> 01:23:05,216
Just a few samples.
It's nothing to worry about.
1263
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:06,904
What for?
1264
01:23:06,929 --> 01:23:09,701
To measure the blood sugar that's
gettin' to your brain. That's all.
1265
01:23:12,032 --> 01:23:12,985
You're poisoning me.
1266
01:23:36,596 --> 01:23:38,731
Is my daddy
going to bring me a Christmas present?
1267
01:23:38,756 --> 01:23:40,040
No, Charles.
1268
01:23:40,065 --> 01:23:40,996
Why not?
1269
01:23:41,021 --> 01:23:43,171
Because I don't want him
to see you.
1270
01:23:47,097 --> 01:23:47,982
-Daddy!
1271
01:24:06,717 --> 01:24:08,369
These are abnormal patterns,
without a doubt.
1272
01:24:08,394 --> 01:24:09,640
What does that tell you?
1273
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:13,488
Well, this yellow-green area here
is consistent with schizophrenia.
1274
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:18,554
What you're seeing is a computer-enhanced
image of the chemistry of the brain.
1275
01:24:20,245 --> 01:24:23,339
And what it shows...
is a picture of madness.
1276
01:24:36,874 --> 01:24:37,758
How are you feeling?
1277
01:24:37,783 --> 01:24:38,494
Grand.
1278
01:24:56,485 --> 01:24:57,401
Charles, I've got some great news.
1279
01:25:03,633 --> 01:25:05,937
Your Honor,
based on the new scientific evidence,
1280
01:25:06,866 --> 01:25:10,613
we, the jury, find that the defendant
should go to a state mental hospital.
1281
01:25:42,981 --> 01:25:43,814
Careful now, that's hot stuff.
1282
01:25:47,107 --> 01:25:47,909
In the middle, okay?
1283
01:25:48,682 --> 01:25:50,007
Strike it. Atta boy!
Oh, get in there!
1284
01:25:51,295 --> 01:25:52,327
I could do it, Daddy.
1285
01:25:52,352 --> 01:25:54,672
Almost, alright, Andy,
get 'em going now. Come on.
1286
01:25:54,697 --> 01:25:55,479
You get another one.
1287
01:25:55,503 --> 01:25:57,277
We gotta win one this time.
1288
01:25:57,302 --> 01:25:58,097
Alright.
1289
01:25:58,122 --> 01:25:58,918
You can do it!
1290
01:25:58,943 --> 01:25:59,689
Come on.
1291
01:25:59,714 --> 01:26:00,743
One more.
1292
01:26:00,768 --> 01:26:02,272
Just one more, one more,
one more.
1293
01:26:02,297 --> 01:26:03,219
All right!
1294
01:26:04,668 --> 01:26:06,613
Look at that. Whoo!
1295
01:26:08,072 --> 01:26:08,824
Come on, Daddy.
1296
01:26:08,849 --> 01:26:10,004
Alright, sure is, Andy.
1297
01:26:11,297 --> 01:26:12,313
There's a north star over there,
1298
01:26:12,338 --> 01:26:13,701
and that's Mars.
1299
01:26:13,726 --> 01:26:15,894
Right over there is the Little Dipper.
1300
01:26:15,919 --> 01:26:17,560
Did you find the Big Dipper?
1301
01:26:17,585 --> 01:26:20,189
Over there.
1302
01:26:20,214 --> 01:26:20,983
That's it.
1303
01:26:22,839 --> 01:26:24,428
Can you tell me a story?
1304
01:26:24,453 --> 01:26:25,351
Sure, Andy.
1305
01:26:27,009 --> 01:26:27,876
Let's see.
1306
01:26:27,901 --> 01:26:32,435
Once upon a time, there was a castle
by the sea,
1307
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:34,693
Big castle?
1308
01:26:34,718 --> 01:26:35,875
No, just a little castle.
1309
01:26:38,607 --> 01:26:39,808
It had flowers, trees...
1310
01:26:41,386 --> 01:26:42,294
And a doggy?
1311
01:26:43,458 --> 01:26:45,168
And a doggy. Yeah.
1312
01:26:50,162 --> 01:26:50,969
Dear Mr. Tippetts,
1313
01:26:52,650 --> 01:26:55,303
It's important that you understand
why I had to do what I did.
1314
01:26:57,095 --> 01:26:59,264
I had no hate for your wife
and your little boy,
1315
01:27:00,165 --> 01:27:01,375
even though your wife wa mean to me.
1316
01:27:03,951 --> 01:27:05,693
I needed their blood to help me
do my work.
1317
01:27:08,245 --> 01:27:11,873
They've now been sent to a better place
away from this violent world.
1318
01:27:13,467 --> 01:27:14,833
I know there's a place where
all little boys
1319
01:27:14,858 --> 01:27:16,655
can go have Christmas with their fathers,
1320
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,610
so none of this can happen again.
1321
01:27:20,949 --> 01:27:23,593
I want you to know that I told them this
and they understood.
1322
01:27:25,462 --> 01:27:28,874
If you get this letter,
maybe you can visit me here
1323
01:27:28,899 --> 01:27:30,915
so that we could talk about this further.
1324
01:27:32,931 --> 01:27:36,148
I know that you're a very kind person
and would wanna help me.
1325
01:27:38,227 --> 01:27:39,390
I need your help very much.
1326
01:27:41,197 --> 01:27:43,981
Yours truly, Charles Reece
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