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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,792 --> 00:00:16,000 The u.S. Intelligence community said in a statement 2 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:19,667 that it is confident that Russia's senior-most officials 3 00:00:19,750 --> 00:00:21,208 directed the hacking of emails 4 00:00:21,291 --> 00:00:23,250 from the Democratic national committee 5 00:00:23,333 --> 00:00:26,208 to interfere with the u.S. Election process. 6 00:00:26,291 --> 00:00:28,291 The key issue isn't what Russia did. 7 00:00:28,375 --> 00:00:30,750 It's whether trump's team colluded with Russia 8 00:00:30,834 --> 00:00:32,375 to influence the election. 9 00:00:32,458 --> 00:00:35,458 Moments ago, the appointment of a special counsel 10 00:00:35,542 --> 00:00:37,500 to oversee the FBI investigation 11 00:00:37,583 --> 00:00:39,417 of possible collusion 12 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:42,083 between the trump campaign and the Russians. 13 00:00:44,458 --> 00:00:47,667 Bob Mueller and his highly conflicted team is going out 14 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:48,917 on a witch hunt now going back into the financials-- 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,458 that's a nice way to say it. 16 00:00:50,542 --> 00:00:52,709 They're a bunch of damn democrats. 17 00:00:52,792 --> 00:00:54,917 One of the biggest political witch hunts 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 in the history of this country. 19 00:00:57,083 --> 00:00:59,625 I'm now talking about the special counsel Robert Mueller. 20 00:00:59,709 --> 00:01:03,417 I've never been involved in an investigation on either side 21 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:05,417 that's more illegitimate than this one. 22 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:08,875 And I wonder, where's the sense of justice 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,750 on the part of Mueller, 24 00:01:10,834 --> 00:01:12,709 on the part of the justice department? 25 00:01:12,792 --> 00:01:14,834 Was this the right move, 26 00:01:14,917 --> 00:01:17,625 or is this part of a witch hunt? 27 00:01:17,709 --> 00:01:19,625 Well, I respect the move, but the entire thing 28 00:01:19,709 --> 00:01:22,583 has been a witch hunt, and, there is no collusion 29 00:01:22,667 --> 00:01:25,709 between certainly myself and the Russians. 30 00:01:25,792 --> 00:01:27,125 Zero. 31 00:01:29,667 --> 00:01:32,375 Mr. President, in view of, a new court ruling, 32 00:01:32,458 --> 00:01:33,917 Monica Lewinsky may have to tes-- 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,291 appear before a grand jury. 34 00:01:36,375 --> 00:01:38,458 Under the circumstances, do you stand by your 35 00:01:38,542 --> 00:01:41,375 previous denials of any relationship with her, 36 00:01:41,458 --> 00:01:44,375 and, do you think that, the special prosecutor 37 00:01:44,458 --> 00:01:48,083 has gone beyond the call and is out to get you? 38 00:01:48,166 --> 00:01:53,000 Well...i think modestly observant people 39 00:01:53,083 --> 00:01:55,166 are fully capable of drawing their own conclusions. 40 00:01:55,250 --> 00:01:56,834 Can you talk to US, sir? 41 00:01:56,917 --> 00:01:58,542 No, I won't be making any, statements. 42 00:01:58,625 --> 00:02:00,417 The question of whether we are capable 43 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:02,875 of holding the president accountable 44 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:05,083 is an enduring one. 45 00:02:05,166 --> 00:02:07,458 We need to be vigilant about saying, 46 00:02:07,542 --> 00:02:11,417 "are there mechanisms in place to ensure accountability, 47 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:14,250 to ensure honesty, lawful behavior?" 48 00:02:14,333 --> 00:02:17,458 Then holding the wielders of power accountable 49 00:02:17,542 --> 00:02:19,250 when they cross the line. 50 00:02:19,333 --> 00:02:21,250 We've had filegate. We've had travelgate. 51 00:02:21,333 --> 00:02:23,000 We've had so many gates, 52 00:02:23,083 --> 00:02:24,709 I think it's time to show him the front door. 53 00:02:24,792 --> 00:02:26,709 What has happened is, every issue 54 00:02:26,792 --> 00:02:28,417 becomes political. 55 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:30,291 Every issue becomes a hammer 56 00:02:30,375 --> 00:02:32,500 on which to beat the other side up with. 57 00:02:32,583 --> 00:02:34,166 The American people sitting back 58 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:37,166 and seeing that kind of partisanship 59 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:40,500 are left in a state of confusion 60 00:02:40,583 --> 00:02:43,500 as to whether or not what is being investigated 61 00:02:43,583 --> 00:02:47,166 is real, or is it just part of the political game? 62 00:03:08,542 --> 00:03:09,709 I, Ronald Reagan... 63 00:03:09,792 --> 00:03:11,083 William Jefferson Clinton... 64 00:03:11,166 --> 00:03:12,667 Do solemnly swear... 65 00:03:12,750 --> 00:03:13,542 Do solemnly swear... 66 00:03:16,583 --> 00:03:18,667 ...and will, to the best of my ability... 67 00:03:18,750 --> 00:03:20,709 ...preserve, protect, and defend... 68 00:03:20,792 --> 00:03:24,041 ...the constitution of the United States. 69 00:03:56,917 --> 00:03:58,542 ...potentially damaging cloud is hanging 70 00:03:58,625 --> 00:04:00,333 over the white house this morning. 71 00:04:00,417 --> 00:04:02,291 Kenneth starr has been granted permission 72 00:04:02,375 --> 00:04:04,458 to expand his investigation. 73 00:04:04,542 --> 00:04:06,500 At issue, 74 00:04:06,583 --> 00:04:08,917 whether Mr. Clinton had a sexual relationship 75 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,542 with a former white house intern, 76 00:04:10,625 --> 00:04:13,500 Monica Lewinsky, and whether he conspired 77 00:04:13,583 --> 00:04:17,750 to convince her to lie about it under oath. 78 00:04:17,834 --> 00:04:20,333 Mr. Clinton gave a sworn deposition under oath. 79 00:04:20,417 --> 00:04:23,125 He denied any affair. 80 00:04:23,208 --> 00:04:25,333 Monica Lewinsky has reportedly turned over 81 00:04:25,417 --> 00:04:27,417 a dress that has physical evidence 82 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:29,542 to support her claim that she had 83 00:04:29,625 --> 00:04:31,542 a sexual relationship with the president. 84 00:04:31,625 --> 00:04:33,291 However, this has not yet... 85 00:04:33,375 --> 00:04:34,375 Kenneth starr has gone directly 86 00:04:34,458 --> 00:04:36,542 to FBI director Louis freeh 87 00:04:36,625 --> 00:04:39,875 to ask assistance from the FBI crime lab. 88 00:04:43,625 --> 00:04:46,000 Special counsel Ken starr said, 89 00:04:46,083 --> 00:04:48,792 "I need an agent to come to the white house 90 00:04:48,875 --> 00:04:50,500 with one of our prosecutors. 91 00:04:50,583 --> 00:04:52,709 We're gonna draw Clinton's blood. 92 00:04:52,792 --> 00:04:54,750 We need it sent to the FBI labs." 93 00:04:56,625 --> 00:04:58,709 Bob bittman, one of the prosecutors 94 00:04:58,792 --> 00:05:00,750 and an agent, turned up at the white house 95 00:05:00,834 --> 00:05:02,333 at nine or ten o'clock. 96 00:05:04,834 --> 00:05:07,250 Clinton was having dinner in the dining room 97 00:05:07,333 --> 00:05:10,250 with cornel west, a Princeton professor, 98 00:05:10,333 --> 00:05:14,000 and Clinton is just furious. 99 00:05:14,083 --> 00:05:18,458 Clinton comes upstairs. They draw his blood. 100 00:05:18,542 --> 00:05:23,000 It's very, very creepy and tense. 101 00:05:23,083 --> 00:05:27,458 The level of mistrust on all sides was so high 102 00:05:27,542 --> 00:05:30,917 that when Clinton got up and went back downstairs, 103 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,250 bittman says to the agent, "hey, you know, 104 00:05:34,333 --> 00:05:37,041 I-I took my eye off of that vial 105 00:05:37,125 --> 00:05:38,625 for just a half a second. 106 00:05:38,709 --> 00:05:42,041 I--are we sure he didn't pull a switcheroo?" 107 00:05:42,125 --> 00:05:45,583 And the agent says, "no, i-i... 108 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:47,291 I-I was watching it every second, 109 00:05:47,375 --> 00:05:48,834 and-and it's still warm. 110 00:05:48,917 --> 00:05:51,625 His blood is still warm." 111 00:05:51,709 --> 00:05:54,125 The president was flabbergasted by it 112 00:05:54,208 --> 00:05:56,083 and certainly trying to figure out, 113 00:05:56,166 --> 00:05:59,250 why was Mr. Starr, who had been assigned 114 00:05:59,333 --> 00:06:03,166 to look at, one set of, issues, 115 00:06:03,250 --> 00:06:06,125 now all of a sudden looking into his, you know, 116 00:06:06,208 --> 00:06:08,792 personal affairs, as it were? 117 00:06:08,875 --> 00:06:13,542 Mr. President, what does the oath mean to you? 118 00:06:13,625 --> 00:06:15,083 It's the president of the United States. 119 00:06:15,166 --> 00:06:17,250 What does that oath mean to you? 120 00:06:17,333 --> 00:06:19,834 Well, an oath means, 121 00:06:19,917 --> 00:06:23,667 you know, thou shalt not tell a lie. 122 00:06:36,792 --> 00:06:40,500 Arkansas is a much smaller society 123 00:06:40,583 --> 00:06:43,917 and environment than you would expect. 124 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,458 The main city, little rock, is astonishingly small. 125 00:06:48,542 --> 00:06:51,417 I mean, when you first fly in there, 126 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:54,500 you can't believe how dinky it is. 127 00:06:54,583 --> 00:06:57,166 And then once you get out of the city, 128 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:59,500 it's a very rural state. 129 00:06:59,583 --> 00:07:01,667 There are very few roads. 130 00:07:08,834 --> 00:07:11,709 And people are doing logging everywhere. 131 00:07:11,792 --> 00:07:14,458 Like, in-in their--in their neighborhood, they'll, like, 132 00:07:14,542 --> 00:07:18,417 log out to a lot down the street to make money. 133 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:22,959 But everybody who's in the sort of upper middle class 134 00:07:23,041 --> 00:07:24,500 is connected. 135 00:07:24,583 --> 00:07:26,959 So the bankers, the lawyers, 136 00:07:27,041 --> 00:07:29,709 the poultry magnates, 137 00:07:29,792 --> 00:07:32,375 and the judges, um, especially, 138 00:07:32,458 --> 00:07:35,125 they are all very intimately involved 139 00:07:35,208 --> 00:07:37,125 in one another's business. 140 00:07:37,208 --> 00:07:39,625 It's a tiny society. 141 00:07:42,333 --> 00:07:44,333 Bill and Hillary Clinton 142 00:07:44,417 --> 00:07:46,458 kind of take Arkansas by storm. 143 00:07:46,542 --> 00:07:49,166 They were la cr�me de la cr�me of Arkansas, 144 00:07:49,250 --> 00:07:51,667 even at a very young age. 145 00:07:51,750 --> 00:07:55,291 Bill Clinton was governor at early 30s. 146 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:58,959 But they were also making connections 147 00:07:59,041 --> 00:08:02,000 with some of these Arkansas rogue characters, 148 00:08:02,083 --> 00:08:04,792 including Jim mcdougal and Susan mcdougal; 149 00:08:04,875 --> 00:08:07,917 Vince foster, who was Hillary's law partner; 150 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,583 webb hubbell, another law partner. 151 00:08:10,667 --> 00:08:12,083 They were part of Arkansas 152 00:08:12,166 --> 00:08:13,417 and lots of fun. 153 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:15,834 Hillary and I and Vince foster 154 00:08:15,917 --> 00:08:17,667 would go to lunch quite often, 155 00:08:17,750 --> 00:08:20,083 and became very good friends. 156 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:22,542 Bill loved to play golf, and I loved to play golf, 157 00:08:22,625 --> 00:08:24,834 so we started playing golf together. 158 00:08:24,917 --> 00:08:28,917 And they made friends all over the country pretty quickly. 159 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,542 And it was pretty clear to everyone that at some point, 160 00:08:31,625 --> 00:08:33,542 he would want to run for president. 161 00:08:35,709 --> 00:08:38,959 The next president of the United States of America, 162 00:08:39,041 --> 00:08:41,250 senator Bill Clinton. 163 00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:56,125 When the Clintons first came to the white house, 164 00:08:56,208 --> 00:08:58,667 there was a sense that they were a little bit 165 00:08:58,750 --> 00:09:01,709 rough around the edges, not sophisticated. 166 00:09:03,959 --> 00:09:07,667 They had a lot of people around them that-- 167 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:09,291 living and doing business in Arkansas-- 168 00:09:09,375 --> 00:09:11,875 maybe didn't seem like a problem. 169 00:09:11,959 --> 00:09:16,250 But Arkansas mores are just different, um, 170 00:09:16,333 --> 00:09:18,542 than what plays in Washington. 171 00:09:18,625 --> 00:09:22,125 That got them entangled very quickly 172 00:09:22,208 --> 00:09:24,250 in a lot of scandals. 173 00:09:24,333 --> 00:09:27,959 As their friend webb hubbell, um, used to say, 174 00:09:28,041 --> 00:09:31,041 "it's not a conspiracy. It's just Arkansas." 175 00:09:31,125 --> 00:09:32,834 Here they are. 176 00:09:32,917 --> 00:09:35,000 They just got elected by a huge margin 177 00:09:35,083 --> 00:09:36,667 by the American people 178 00:09:36,750 --> 00:09:38,667 to the highest office in the land. 179 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:42,333 All of the adoration, all of the acclaim, 180 00:09:42,417 --> 00:09:44,250 all of the great stories 181 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:46,291 about what a hell of a candidate they were, 182 00:09:46,375 --> 00:09:48,709 all of that is past history. 183 00:09:48,792 --> 00:09:51,000 Suddenly, as president of the United States, 184 00:09:51,083 --> 00:09:53,959 they're finding that they're getting picked at, 185 00:09:54,041 --> 00:09:58,250 in terms of--of issues that they feel 186 00:09:58,333 --> 00:10:00,500 are not that important. 187 00:10:00,583 --> 00:10:03,000 Welcome to Washington. 188 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:07,709 Any questions? 189 00:10:07,792 --> 00:10:10,667 Why was the transportation officer-- 190 00:10:10,750 --> 00:10:14,542 office fired? Looks like a massacre. 191 00:10:14,625 --> 00:10:18,333 And, is the FBI, um, investigating, 192 00:10:18,417 --> 00:10:21,709 and, did the president do this? 193 00:10:21,792 --> 00:10:23,291 Travelgate is sort of 194 00:10:23,375 --> 00:10:26,458 a quintessentially Arkansas kind of story. 195 00:10:26,542 --> 00:10:30,291 Bill Clinton's cousin Catherine Cornelius 196 00:10:30,375 --> 00:10:33,083 was handling some of the travel arrangements 197 00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:34,959 for the campaign itself. 198 00:10:35,041 --> 00:10:37,583 They got to the white house, and they decided 199 00:10:37,667 --> 00:10:40,000 the white house travel office, which arranges travel 200 00:10:40,083 --> 00:10:42,750 for reporters accompanying the president-- 201 00:10:42,834 --> 00:10:44,583 they wanted to just take it over. 202 00:10:44,667 --> 00:10:46,166 The president has spoken frequently 203 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:49,166 about there being a crisis of confidence in government. 204 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:53,083 What does it say to that if this woman who is a cousin 205 00:10:53,166 --> 00:10:55,083 of the president is appointed to head the office? 206 00:10:55,166 --> 00:10:57,583 It is a distant cousin, first of all, let me point out. 207 00:10:57,667 --> 00:10:59,417 Second of all... 208 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:01,333 Well, it-it is, okay? It is. 209 00:11:01,417 --> 00:11:02,750 And second of all, she-- 210 00:11:02,834 --> 00:11:03,792 what's distant? 211 00:11:03,875 --> 00:11:05,291 Let's define our terms. 212 00:11:05,375 --> 00:11:06,667 I-I don't have the exact family tree 213 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:08,458 available right now, but she... 214 00:11:08,542 --> 00:11:11,166 The travelgate episode, in my view, 215 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:13,834 was a tempest in the teapot. 216 00:11:13,917 --> 00:11:15,542 In the end, the Clinton administration 217 00:11:15,625 --> 00:11:17,417 did its own little investigation. 218 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:20,375 There were mild reprimands issued, and that was it. 219 00:11:20,458 --> 00:11:23,417 So this did not turn into anything significant. 220 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:27,000 But it was part of the constant drumbeat in the early stages 221 00:11:27,083 --> 00:11:29,709 of the Clinton administration of, you know, 222 00:11:29,792 --> 00:11:32,750 just minor corruption that sort of fuel-- 223 00:11:32,834 --> 00:11:36,792 primed the pump for what came after it. 224 00:11:36,875 --> 00:11:39,792 To give a cloak of legitimacy to the firing 225 00:11:39,875 --> 00:11:41,750 of these travel office workers, 226 00:11:41,834 --> 00:11:43,500 the white house announced there would be 227 00:11:43,583 --> 00:11:46,125 an FBI investigation. 228 00:11:46,208 --> 00:11:50,417 And it was very clear, the FBI resented 229 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:52,625 the, effort by the white house 230 00:11:52,709 --> 00:11:55,291 to use the FBI 231 00:11:55,375 --> 00:11:57,834 to justify what they had done. 232 00:11:57,917 --> 00:12:00,166 I think it kind of set the tone 233 00:12:00,250 --> 00:12:02,625 for much that was to come after. 234 00:12:08,709 --> 00:12:10,542 Nineteen ninety-three, 235 00:12:10,625 --> 00:12:12,709 the FBI's in bad shape. 236 00:12:12,792 --> 00:12:15,959 There was the disastrous confrontation 237 00:12:16,041 --> 00:12:19,250 with the millennial branch davidian cult 238 00:12:19,333 --> 00:12:21,709 down in waco, Texas. 239 00:12:21,792 --> 00:12:24,125 In the aftermath of waco, 240 00:12:24,208 --> 00:12:27,917 right-wing militias and other right-wing groups 241 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,583 suggested that our-- that law enforcement 242 00:12:30,667 --> 00:12:34,250 in the United States were... Were jackbooted thugs. 243 00:12:34,333 --> 00:12:36,917 A standoff between a man who is wanted by the FBI 244 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,625 and a large number of federal agents 245 00:12:38,709 --> 00:12:40,500 in a remote section of Idaho. 246 00:12:40,583 --> 00:12:42,291 Two people have already died. 247 00:12:42,375 --> 00:12:43,917 During the standoff, an FBI sharpshooter 248 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,500 killed Weaver's wife. 249 00:12:45,583 --> 00:12:49,125 It's hard to overstate the chaos 250 00:12:49,208 --> 00:12:51,917 of the initial months of the Clinton presidency. 251 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,709 They're really scrambling. 252 00:12:53,792 --> 00:12:56,667 It shows when Clinton goes through one choice 253 00:12:56,750 --> 00:12:59,333 for Attorney General, she has nanny problems. 254 00:12:59,417 --> 00:13:01,417 Second choice for Attorney General, 255 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:03,125 she has nanny problems. 256 00:13:03,208 --> 00:13:05,750 Third choice is Janet Reno, 257 00:13:05,834 --> 00:13:08,750 and she has no nanny problems because she has no kids. 258 00:13:08,834 --> 00:13:11,250 I made the decision. I'm accountable. 259 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:13,166 The buck stops with me. 260 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:15,542 And nobody ever accused me of running from a decision 261 00:13:15,625 --> 00:13:18,458 that I made based on the best information that I had. 262 00:13:18,542 --> 00:13:21,625 She was a tough prosecutor from Miami. 263 00:13:21,709 --> 00:13:23,875 She had nothing in her background 264 00:13:23,959 --> 00:13:27,083 that would indicate there was any problem whatsoever 265 00:13:27,166 --> 00:13:28,625 in confirmation. 266 00:13:28,709 --> 00:13:30,375 And we thought we had hit a home run. 267 00:13:30,458 --> 00:13:33,166 She came up and went through a vetting process 268 00:13:33,250 --> 00:13:35,417 in a law firm here in Washington. 269 00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:38,291 White house counsel Bernie Nussbaum says, 270 00:13:38,375 --> 00:13:40,375 "so I guess y'all are recommending her." 271 00:13:40,458 --> 00:13:42,542 And they go, "no, we recommend that she-- 272 00:13:42,625 --> 00:13:44,333 the president not appoint her." 273 00:13:44,417 --> 00:13:46,750 And-and Bernie goes, "why?" 274 00:13:46,834 --> 00:13:49,166 And they said, "she's too clean. 275 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:50,959 There's gotta be something here we haven't found." 276 00:13:52,625 --> 00:13:53,875 Washington wasn't ready to have somebody 277 00:13:53,959 --> 00:13:55,542 who had nothing in their background 278 00:13:55,625 --> 00:13:57,333 that they could find wrong. 279 00:13:58,375 --> 00:14:03,000 My hope is, my country will have been strengthened 280 00:14:03,083 --> 00:14:05,834 and enriched by my service. 281 00:14:05,917 --> 00:14:08,125 The FBI director, William sessions, 282 00:14:08,208 --> 00:14:12,375 had been correctly accused of petty corruption. 283 00:14:12,458 --> 00:14:16,041 Reno helps stiffen Clinton's spine 284 00:14:16,125 --> 00:14:18,375 to push out sessions. 285 00:14:18,458 --> 00:14:22,208 And the search for a successor 286 00:14:22,291 --> 00:14:24,000 is hurried. 287 00:14:24,083 --> 00:14:26,375 Today I am pleased to nominate 288 00:14:26,458 --> 00:14:28,291 a law enforcement legend 289 00:14:28,375 --> 00:14:30,208 to be the director of the FBI, 290 00:14:30,291 --> 00:14:32,625 judge Louis freeh. 291 00:14:32,709 --> 00:14:35,250 Judge freeh knows the FBI. 292 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:38,208 He is a highly decorated former agent and supervisor. 293 00:14:38,291 --> 00:14:40,542 He has investigated and prosecuted 294 00:14:40,625 --> 00:14:44,458 some of the most notorious and complex crimes of our time. 295 00:14:44,542 --> 00:14:46,417 - Judge freeh. - Thank you very much. 296 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:48,208 That's very nice. 297 00:14:48,291 --> 00:14:51,208 Freeh pops up on everybody's chart 298 00:14:51,291 --> 00:14:53,583 as someone who really looks good on paper. 299 00:14:53,667 --> 00:14:55,500 And he does. 300 00:14:55,583 --> 00:14:57,083 There wasn't a lot of interviewing. 301 00:14:57,166 --> 00:14:58,458 There wasn't a lot of vetting. 302 00:14:58,542 --> 00:15:00,375 It's like, "this guy looks good. 303 00:15:00,458 --> 00:15:02,041 Let's put him in." 304 00:15:02,125 --> 00:15:04,417 I was born in Jersey city, and from about the age 305 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:07,667 of my eldest son, I wanted to be an FBI agent. 306 00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:13,458 Louis freeh's a working-class guy, 307 00:15:13,542 --> 00:15:15,625 Roman catholic choirboy growing up, 308 00:15:15,709 --> 00:15:18,834 and an altar boy in not only training but in demeanor 309 00:15:18,917 --> 00:15:20,625 as an adult. 310 00:15:20,709 --> 00:15:22,875 He's young. He's 43. 311 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:25,458 A fresh face. Highly qualified. 312 00:15:25,542 --> 00:15:30,208 Director freeh was a so-called brick agent, 313 00:15:30,291 --> 00:15:33,291 meaning he started off in life as an agent. 314 00:15:33,375 --> 00:15:35,375 He ultimately became a prosecutor, 315 00:15:35,458 --> 00:15:36,959 a very well-known prosecutor. 316 00:15:37,041 --> 00:15:38,834 He ultimately became a judge. 317 00:15:38,917 --> 00:15:41,542 But in his DNA 318 00:15:41,625 --> 00:15:45,041 was the DNA of a brick agent. 319 00:15:45,125 --> 00:15:46,750 And he brought that perspective 320 00:15:46,834 --> 00:15:48,667 to his role as director. 321 00:15:48,750 --> 00:15:50,792 His worldview 322 00:15:50,875 --> 00:15:53,417 is about violations of criminal law. 323 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:54,917 He's not a politician. 324 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,250 He's not a Washington insider. 325 00:15:57,333 --> 00:15:59,709 And he turned out to be 326 00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:03,458 a very bad fit inside the Clinton administration. 327 00:16:03,542 --> 00:16:05,125 I, Louis j. Freeh... 328 00:16:05,208 --> 00:16:06,667 I, Louis j. Freeh... 329 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,125 ...do solemnly swear... 330 00:16:08,208 --> 00:16:10,333 ...do solemnly swear... 331 00:16:10,417 --> 00:16:14,041 Director freeh had a very tense relationship 332 00:16:14,125 --> 00:16:16,250 with the Clinton white house. 333 00:16:16,333 --> 00:16:18,709 I mean, they basically didn't like each other. 334 00:16:18,792 --> 00:16:20,208 That's-that's for sure. 335 00:16:20,291 --> 00:16:22,917 To fully understand the relationship between 336 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,333 Louis freeh and President Clinton, 337 00:16:26,417 --> 00:16:28,792 you have to understand Louis freeh. 338 00:16:30,417 --> 00:16:31,875 He's one of the straightest shooters 339 00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:33,417 that you ever want to meet. 340 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:35,709 He's one of those people who, 341 00:16:35,792 --> 00:16:37,667 if he tells you something, 342 00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:39,417 you say, "okay. 343 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:42,250 I'm betting my child's life on this because 344 00:16:42,333 --> 00:16:44,125 it's coming from Louis." 345 00:16:44,208 --> 00:16:46,250 It's just--it's who he is. 346 00:16:46,333 --> 00:16:48,375 I don't care how much money you threw at him, 347 00:16:48,458 --> 00:16:50,542 how much power you threw at him. 348 00:16:50,625 --> 00:16:53,917 Louis would never compromise his principles. 349 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,667 I think people know Bill Clinton. 350 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,834 And in his first days 351 00:16:59,917 --> 00:17:01,500 as FBI director, 352 00:17:01,583 --> 00:17:04,250 things get off on the wrong foot. 353 00:17:04,333 --> 00:17:07,709 Freeh learns immediately that the FBI has 354 00:17:07,792 --> 00:17:09,959 a criminal investigation going on 355 00:17:10,041 --> 00:17:12,083 pertaining to real estate dealings 356 00:17:12,166 --> 00:17:14,709 in the state of Arkansas, 357 00:17:14,792 --> 00:17:17,083 while, Clinton was governor. 358 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:20,166 And he sees Clinton 359 00:17:20,250 --> 00:17:24,041 as a suspect in a criminal case. 360 00:17:26,667 --> 00:17:28,917 In a nutshell, what was the story of whitewater? 361 00:17:30,625 --> 00:17:32,458 I was afraid you were gonna ask me that. 362 00:17:32,542 --> 00:17:34,917 Um, not--i mean, I knew you were gonna ask me that. 363 00:17:35,041 --> 00:17:39,333 But it's not easily, um, summarized. 364 00:17:39,417 --> 00:17:42,208 Can you tell me in a couple of sentences 365 00:17:42,291 --> 00:17:43,959 what is whitewater? 366 00:17:54,417 --> 00:17:56,083 Wow. 367 00:17:56,166 --> 00:18:00,291 In Arkansas, Bill Clinton had become friends 368 00:18:00,375 --> 00:18:03,959 with a gentleman named Jim mcdougal. 369 00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:07,458 He was a very eccentric man, by all accounts. 370 00:18:07,542 --> 00:18:12,375 And he began investing in real estate deals. 371 00:18:12,458 --> 00:18:16,375 And the one that excited him the most was this beautiful 372 00:18:16,458 --> 00:18:19,417 piece of property up in the ozark mountains 373 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:22,542 that came to be known as whitewater. 374 00:18:22,625 --> 00:18:26,875 He wanted Clinton, who was likely to be the next governor, 375 00:18:26,959 --> 00:18:28,875 to be part of this deal. 376 00:18:28,959 --> 00:18:31,000 The Clintons put no money down. 377 00:18:31,083 --> 00:18:33,125 It was a small investment. 378 00:18:33,208 --> 00:18:36,667 But the whitewater development was on the wrong side 379 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:38,834 of the white river to be successful, 380 00:18:38,917 --> 00:18:41,709 and it started losing money quickly. 381 00:18:41,792 --> 00:18:43,417 Jim mcdougal hid that 382 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:45,291 from the Clintons and other investors, 383 00:18:45,375 --> 00:18:47,000 and so he went on to buy a bank 384 00:18:47,083 --> 00:18:50,583 called Madison guaranty savings & loan. 385 00:18:50,667 --> 00:18:52,208 Jim started using some of the money 386 00:18:52,291 --> 00:18:53,709 of the savings & loan 387 00:18:53,792 --> 00:18:55,792 to pay off the interest or the debt 388 00:18:55,875 --> 00:18:57,417 of the--of the whitewater. 389 00:18:57,500 --> 00:19:02,125 Mcdougal's savings & loan, lost $60 million, 390 00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:05,041 and it was because of sham dealings-- 391 00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:07,291 real estate transactions. 392 00:19:07,375 --> 00:19:10,125 Did mcdougal improperly channel money from the s&l 393 00:19:10,208 --> 00:19:12,083 to the whitewater development 394 00:19:12,166 --> 00:19:15,458 or to help pay then-governor Clinton's campaign debts? 395 00:19:15,542 --> 00:19:17,667 And did mcdougal's savings & loan 396 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:20,166 escape close scrutiny by the state 397 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:21,875 because of his friendship and partnership 398 00:19:21,959 --> 00:19:23,709 with governor Clinton? 399 00:19:23,792 --> 00:19:25,000 It was just so complicated, 400 00:19:25,083 --> 00:19:27,417 and there wasn't much of substance 401 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,208 in terms of the Clintons' behavior in all of that. 402 00:19:30,291 --> 00:19:32,417 And so it had really just fallen 403 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:35,208 to a little Ember in the coals. 404 00:19:35,291 --> 00:19:37,417 And then all of a sudden... 405 00:19:42,291 --> 00:19:43,709 ...the apparent suicide 406 00:19:43,792 --> 00:19:45,333 of white house lawyer Vince foster. 407 00:19:45,417 --> 00:19:47,125 Bits of information gradually... 408 00:19:47,208 --> 00:19:48,458 The number two lawyer at the white house, 409 00:19:48,542 --> 00:19:49,542 foster was one of Bill Clinton's oldest 410 00:19:49,625 --> 00:19:50,792 and closest friends. 411 00:19:50,875 --> 00:19:52,291 His body was found last night. 412 00:19:52,375 --> 00:19:55,375 It appears he shot himself. 413 00:19:55,458 --> 00:19:58,500 Vince foster was our partner at the Rose law firm. 414 00:19:58,583 --> 00:20:02,208 He came to Washington as the deputy white house counsel. 415 00:20:02,291 --> 00:20:06,375 He was very close, to both Hillary and myself, 416 00:20:06,458 --> 00:20:09,500 as we practiced law together for 20 years, 417 00:20:09,583 --> 00:20:11,500 seeing each other every day. 418 00:20:11,583 --> 00:20:16,542 And tragically, he committed suicide in July of-- 419 00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:20,125 I think it was July of our first year there. 420 00:20:20,208 --> 00:20:24,083 He went to fort Marcy park, a civil war, park 421 00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:25,542 just across the potomac river, 422 00:20:25,625 --> 00:20:29,083 and pulled out a gun and shot himself. 423 00:20:29,166 --> 00:20:32,667 It really knocked the white house for a loop. 424 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:36,917 And the Clintons, um, and the people--their friends-- 425 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,542 it was devastating. 426 00:20:39,625 --> 00:20:41,667 Good afternoon. 427 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:45,625 I have just met with the white house staff, 428 00:20:45,709 --> 00:20:49,333 um, to basically talk with them a little bit about the death 429 00:20:49,417 --> 00:20:54,500 of my friend of 42 years, Vince foster. 430 00:20:54,583 --> 00:20:58,709 It is an immense personal loss to-to me and to Hillary 431 00:20:58,792 --> 00:21:02,208 and to many of his close friends here 432 00:21:02,291 --> 00:21:05,834 and a great loss to the white house and to the country. 433 00:21:05,917 --> 00:21:10,417 This kind of took on a little greater significance 434 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,208 when it became clear that Hillary Clinton 435 00:21:13,291 --> 00:21:16,166 had blamed Vince foster 436 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:20,125 for the handling of the travel office matter. 437 00:21:20,208 --> 00:21:23,083 Hillary Clinton had snapped at Vince foster, 438 00:21:23,166 --> 00:21:26,041 indicated that he had blown it in some way. 439 00:21:26,125 --> 00:21:28,625 And, um, this contributed 440 00:21:28,709 --> 00:21:33,458 to some serious, um, depression he was having at the time. 441 00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:38,166 There was a suicide note that was found. 442 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:40,125 One of the things he wrote was, 443 00:21:40,208 --> 00:21:42,583 "I'm not meant for this life in Washington. 444 00:21:42,667 --> 00:21:46,750 Here, ruining people is, considered sport." 445 00:21:46,834 --> 00:21:48,583 A file on the whitewater development 446 00:21:48,667 --> 00:21:50,291 in which the Clintons invested 447 00:21:50,375 --> 00:21:52,083 was taken from Vincent foster's 448 00:21:52,166 --> 00:21:54,834 white house office immediately after his suicide. 449 00:21:54,917 --> 00:21:56,750 The white house said it was personal Clinton business 450 00:21:56,834 --> 00:21:59,208 and gave it to the president's private lawyer. 451 00:21:59,291 --> 00:22:01,208 Foster had the files because he handled 452 00:22:01,291 --> 00:22:03,041 President Clinton's legal work 453 00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:05,834 involving an Arkansas land development company. 454 00:22:05,917 --> 00:22:09,625 Vince foster's death, that's when people started 455 00:22:09,709 --> 00:22:11,250 saying, "wait a minute. 456 00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:14,041 He's the one who had the whitewater documents. 457 00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:15,458 Wait a minute. This was-- 458 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:17,917 the Clintons were involved in a conspiracy." 459 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,333 I want to tell my friends and my colleagues now 460 00:22:21,417 --> 00:22:23,125 why I believe there's a connection between 461 00:22:23,208 --> 00:22:26,250 Vince foster's death and the whitewater investigation 462 00:22:26,333 --> 00:22:28,583 that's not being pursued. 463 00:22:28,667 --> 00:22:30,250 First of all, he died under 464 00:22:30,333 --> 00:22:31,875 very mysterious-mysterious circumstances. 465 00:22:31,959 --> 00:22:34,083 His body was moved. There's no question about it. 466 00:22:34,166 --> 00:22:35,500 And yet nobody accepts that. 467 00:22:35,583 --> 00:22:38,583 There were dark allegations 468 00:22:38,667 --> 00:22:41,750 that the Clintons had been involved in his death. 469 00:22:41,834 --> 00:22:45,083 I contacted a ballistics expert in California who stated 470 00:22:45,166 --> 00:22:47,083 that after passing through a man's skull, 471 00:22:47,166 --> 00:22:49,875 a .38-caliber bullet should travel no more than 472 00:22:49,959 --> 00:22:53,917 1,200 to 1,600 feet, or about 300 to 500 yards. 473 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,000 The FBI should have been able to find that bullet. 474 00:23:00,375 --> 00:23:02,333 Dan Burton was so fascinated 475 00:23:02,417 --> 00:23:03,917 by these conspiracy theories, 476 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,291 he shot a watermelon in his backyard 477 00:23:07,375 --> 00:23:09,834 to sort of reenact why Vince foster 478 00:23:09,917 --> 00:23:11,417 could not have killed himself 479 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:14,667 in the way multiple government investigations 480 00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:16,834 firmly concluded he did. 481 00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:19,458 I don't know whether Vince foster, 482 00:23:19,542 --> 00:23:22,125 died of suicide or not. 483 00:23:22,208 --> 00:23:24,375 I-I just don't know. 484 00:23:24,458 --> 00:23:27,083 But I'm convinced in my mind that he did not die 485 00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:28,875 at fort Marcy park. 486 00:23:28,959 --> 00:23:30,375 I don't know whether he committed suicide 487 00:23:30,458 --> 00:23:31,834 or what happened. 488 00:23:31,917 --> 00:23:32,875 The fact that he killed himself 489 00:23:32,959 --> 00:23:34,166 is not in dispute 490 00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:35,917 and has never been in dispute 491 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,583 among sane people. 492 00:23:37,667 --> 00:23:39,500 It's crazy. 493 00:23:39,583 --> 00:23:42,458 And-and can you imagine how horrible that is 494 00:23:42,542 --> 00:23:45,583 for the people-- especially his family-- 495 00:23:45,667 --> 00:23:47,125 to think that that happened 496 00:23:47,208 --> 00:23:49,750 or-or even hear those words? 497 00:23:49,834 --> 00:23:52,583 I mean, they-they're having enough of a hard time. 498 00:23:52,667 --> 00:23:55,417 I'm still having enough of a hard time 499 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:57,458 thinking about somebody who committed suicide. 500 00:23:57,542 --> 00:24:00,709 You always think, "what could I have done to change that?" 501 00:24:00,792 --> 00:24:02,166 And to hear all these conspiracy theories 502 00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:04,208 is just awful. 503 00:24:05,583 --> 00:24:08,208 This was horrifying to bill and Hillary Clinton. 504 00:24:08,291 --> 00:24:10,500 They were grieving at the same time 505 00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:13,583 these dark conspiracies were being floated. 506 00:24:13,667 --> 00:24:15,750 But it was connecting all of these dots. 507 00:24:15,834 --> 00:24:17,709 As one person said, 508 00:24:17,792 --> 00:24:20,417 people started connecting dots that didn't connect. 509 00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:23,709 And that's really what fanned whitewater 510 00:24:23,792 --> 00:24:26,125 and the whole investigation back to life. 511 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:30,917 Now leading congressional Republicans are asking 512 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,417 for independent investigations. 513 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:37,500 Seems to me that there ought to be some independent review. 514 00:24:37,583 --> 00:24:40,333 Otherwise, I think the democrats control the house. 515 00:24:40,417 --> 00:24:42,583 They control the senate. They control the white house. 516 00:24:42,667 --> 00:24:44,250 The American people are gonna start asking questions, 517 00:24:44,333 --> 00:24:45,959 "why can't we have the facts?" 518 00:24:46,041 --> 00:24:47,417 Mr. President, do you support the idea 519 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,709 of naming a, special prosecutor 520 00:24:49,792 --> 00:24:51,500 for the whitewat-- to investigate 521 00:24:51,583 --> 00:24:53,083 the whitewater affair? 522 00:24:53,166 --> 00:24:54,750 I have nothing to say about that. 523 00:24:54,834 --> 00:24:56,500 I've-I've said that we would turn the records over. 524 00:24:56,583 --> 00:24:58,083 There's nothing else for me to say about that. 525 00:24:58,166 --> 00:25:00,458 What is your thinking now on the public release 526 00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:02,667 of documents and an independent counsel? 527 00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:04,667 Well, first of all, my thinking is that this is a situation 528 00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:06,792 without precedent in American history. 529 00:25:06,875 --> 00:25:08,333 Drop a--you seemed to drop a hint there-- 530 00:25:08,417 --> 00:25:09,667 sorry, you got the two questions, Jim. 531 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:10,959 - Okay. - You had your two questions. 532 00:25:11,041 --> 00:25:12,458 All righty. 533 00:25:12,542 --> 00:25:14,583 I'm sorry you're not interested in the truth. 534 00:25:14,667 --> 00:25:16,458 At that point, we'd been through 535 00:25:16,542 --> 00:25:19,542 the throes of-- of Watergate, 536 00:25:19,625 --> 00:25:24,291 the throes of, irangate. 537 00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:28,500 And the congress, had decided 538 00:25:28,583 --> 00:25:32,750 that it was important, to be able to have 539 00:25:32,834 --> 00:25:36,583 a special counsel to conduct 540 00:25:36,667 --> 00:25:39,000 those kinds of investigations. 541 00:25:39,083 --> 00:25:41,125 And I remember going in to the president 542 00:25:41,208 --> 00:25:45,000 and telling him that congress had passed that legislation. 543 00:25:45,083 --> 00:25:47,709 I said, "look, I don't think you wanna be viewed 544 00:25:47,792 --> 00:25:50,709 as rejecting this kind of proposal. 545 00:25:50,792 --> 00:25:54,250 For you as president, it would convey the impression 546 00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:56,750 that somehow you might have something to hide." 547 00:25:56,834 --> 00:25:58,875 You could see he was concerned. 548 00:25:58,959 --> 00:26:01,500 He said, "passing this legislation could come back 549 00:26:01,583 --> 00:26:05,041 to not only haunt me but haunt other presidents as well." 550 00:26:05,125 --> 00:26:08,083 But at the same time, I think he also recognized 551 00:26:08,166 --> 00:26:09,917 that in the end, he really didn't have much choice 552 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,667 but to sign that legislation. 553 00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:15,834 Do you think he ever regretted that he signed it? 554 00:26:15,917 --> 00:26:18,500 I'm sure there were moments where, you know, 555 00:26:18,583 --> 00:26:20,583 he might have-- he might have thought, 556 00:26:20,667 --> 00:26:22,291 "it would have been a lot better, 557 00:26:22,375 --> 00:26:24,583 if I had not done it." 558 00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:26,500 Kenneth starr arrived at the office 559 00:26:26,583 --> 00:26:29,000 of the independent counsel at 3:30 560 00:26:29,083 --> 00:26:30,709 but had little to say. 561 00:26:30,792 --> 00:26:32,417 Can you talk to US, sir? 562 00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:33,834 No, I won't be making any, statement. 563 00:26:33,917 --> 00:26:35,500 He's a republican, 564 00:26:35,583 --> 00:26:36,834 having served as solicitor general 565 00:26:36,917 --> 00:26:38,917 in the bush administration. 566 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,583 He's here to take the whitewater investigation. 567 00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,750 I had a sense that investigating 568 00:26:43,834 --> 00:26:45,542 the president of the United States 569 00:26:45,625 --> 00:26:49,542 was not by its nature a career-enhancing move 570 00:26:49,625 --> 00:26:52,333 and that it would likely, 571 00:26:52,417 --> 00:26:54,834 be, viewed, 572 00:26:54,917 --> 00:26:57,500 with, a lot of disdain, 573 00:26:57,583 --> 00:27:00,709 anger, rancor, and so forth. 574 00:27:00,792 --> 00:27:03,542 "Hey, you're investigating my guy. 575 00:27:03,625 --> 00:27:07,333 I voted for that person. Why are you investigating him? 576 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:09,500 You must be a bad person." 577 00:27:09,583 --> 00:27:13,041 "You must be on a political witch hunt." 578 00:27:13,125 --> 00:27:17,083 So I saw some of that as I peered into the future 579 00:27:17,166 --> 00:27:19,500 and speculating about what it would be. 580 00:27:19,583 --> 00:27:23,834 I underestimated the intensity of the controversy. 581 00:27:26,834 --> 00:27:28,125 President Bill Clinton 582 00:27:28,208 --> 00:27:30,792 and Ken starr represented in many ways 583 00:27:30,875 --> 00:27:33,917 the reverse side of the same coin. 584 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,208 On one sense, you had these two people who were very similar. 585 00:27:37,291 --> 00:27:40,333 They were born within several hundred miles of each other-- 586 00:27:40,417 --> 00:27:43,542 Ken starr in Texas, Bill Clinton in Arkansas-- 587 00:27:43,625 --> 00:27:45,959 within ten days of each other. 588 00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:48,375 But Bill Clinton's life in hot Springs, 589 00:27:48,458 --> 00:27:51,667 where there was gambling and people betting on ponies 590 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:55,959 and drinking, was really the antithesis of the life 591 00:27:56,041 --> 00:27:57,792 that Ken starr grew up in: 592 00:27:57,875 --> 00:28:00,709 Fundamentalist Christian environment 593 00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:04,583 in a little white house planted in a cow pasture. 594 00:28:04,667 --> 00:28:06,875 Ken starr worked on capitol hill 595 00:28:06,959 --> 00:28:10,458 for a conservative texan member of congress 596 00:28:10,542 --> 00:28:13,000 and was the youngest person 597 00:28:13,083 --> 00:28:16,959 ever appointed to the u.S. Court of appeals in D.C. 598 00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:19,834 So both of them are self-made men 599 00:28:19,917 --> 00:28:21,542 who rise to the top of their professions 600 00:28:21,625 --> 00:28:23,583 at a very young age, 601 00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:27,208 and the collision between them is even more tragic 602 00:28:27,291 --> 00:28:30,458 when you see, the-the train wreck 603 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:32,458 at the end of the story. 604 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:35,709 There are a number of persons, 605 00:28:35,792 --> 00:28:38,583 including most recently Mr. Mcdougal, 606 00:28:38,667 --> 00:28:42,000 who have entered into discussions 607 00:28:42,083 --> 00:28:44,625 with the government in our ongoing effort 608 00:28:44,709 --> 00:28:46,667 to understand all the facts. 609 00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:50,333 We have made very substantial progress in this investigation, 610 00:28:50,417 --> 00:28:53,792 and at the same time, our investigation is going forward. 611 00:28:53,875 --> 00:28:56,834 Starr and the others were running the show. 612 00:28:56,917 --> 00:29:00,500 But freeh never balked about 613 00:29:00,583 --> 00:29:02,291 supplying as many agents 614 00:29:02,375 --> 00:29:04,875 and as much help as starr asked for. 615 00:29:04,959 --> 00:29:08,041 Louis freeh is all but measuring 616 00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:10,875 the commander in chief for prison stripes. 617 00:29:10,959 --> 00:29:13,375 He cannot help but see the president through 618 00:29:13,458 --> 00:29:15,500 any other prism. 619 00:29:15,583 --> 00:29:18,333 And frankly, it distorts his judgment. 620 00:29:18,417 --> 00:29:21,083 He turns in his white house pass. 621 00:29:21,166 --> 00:29:24,709 He refuses to set foot in the white house. 622 00:29:24,792 --> 00:29:27,500 And he cuts off communication 623 00:29:27,583 --> 00:29:30,125 with the president of the United States. 624 00:29:30,208 --> 00:29:34,959 Clinton definitely felt that 625 00:29:35,041 --> 00:29:37,125 "that effing freeh," as he put it, 626 00:29:37,208 --> 00:29:39,166 was out to get him. 627 00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:40,792 Now, you're the president of the United States. 628 00:29:40,875 --> 00:29:43,875 You got a lot on your plate. 629 00:29:43,959 --> 00:29:46,041 The idea that you've got a powerful member 630 00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:47,709 of your administration 631 00:29:47,792 --> 00:29:51,417 placing you in his gun sights 632 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,625 is pretty unpleasant to contemplate. 633 00:29:56,417 --> 00:29:59,875 A top administration aide used the word "scurrilous" today 634 00:29:59,959 --> 00:30:02,917 to describe charges made in the conservative magazine 635 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,125 American spectator that President Clinton, 636 00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:08,166 while governor of Arkansas, used state troopers 637 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:10,667 to help arrange dates for him with a number of women. 638 00:30:10,750 --> 00:30:14,875 One of the troopers made some allegation 639 00:30:14,959 --> 00:30:18,834 to bringing a woman named Paula 640 00:30:18,917 --> 00:30:22,250 to, the governor's hotel room. 641 00:30:22,333 --> 00:30:24,542 He presented his-hisself to me 642 00:30:24,625 --> 00:30:27,583 in a very unprofessional manner, 643 00:30:27,667 --> 00:30:31,709 and I would call it sexual harassment. 644 00:30:31,792 --> 00:30:35,917 The graphic details were that Clinton proceeded to make 645 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,834 a number of sexual advances to her, 646 00:30:38,917 --> 00:30:40,875 dropping his pants, exposing himself, 647 00:30:40,959 --> 00:30:43,083 and asking for oral sex. 648 00:30:43,166 --> 00:30:47,542 It has always been about a man who exposed himself. 649 00:30:47,625 --> 00:30:51,291 The next thing you know, she files a civil lawsuit 650 00:30:51,375 --> 00:30:54,667 against the president of the United States. 651 00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:56,750 She made allegations, 652 00:30:56,834 --> 00:30:59,125 that amounted to, under federal law, 653 00:30:59,208 --> 00:31:02,458 an alleged violation of her civil rights-- 654 00:31:02,542 --> 00:31:05,333 call it sexual harassment-- 655 00:31:05,417 --> 00:31:08,375 in-in the work-- in the workplace. 656 00:31:08,458 --> 00:31:12,583 It had no direct, effect at the time, 657 00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,333 on our investigation. 658 00:31:14,417 --> 00:31:16,041 That was to come. 659 00:31:20,458 --> 00:31:25,000 What was the first time that term "gate" was applied 660 00:31:25,083 --> 00:31:28,834 to some kind of political scandal other than Watergate? 661 00:31:28,917 --> 00:31:32,375 Well, i--this is not a subject I have researched. 662 00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:34,166 Gee, there were so many. Koreagate. 663 00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:35,583 There was a koreagate, I think. 664 00:31:35,667 --> 00:31:37,917 There was Iran-contragate. 665 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,166 How many gates did the Clintons have? 666 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:42,375 Quite a few. 667 00:31:42,458 --> 00:31:44,500 My gosh. Well, they had-- 668 00:31:44,583 --> 00:31:46,834 they had travelgate. 669 00:31:46,917 --> 00:31:48,917 Monicagate. Filegate. 670 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,667 You're testing my memory here. 671 00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:52,834 I don't think I'm the filegate kind of person. 672 00:31:52,917 --> 00:31:55,291 What was filegate? 673 00:31:55,375 --> 00:31:57,750 All right, look, I am-- 674 00:31:57,834 --> 00:31:59,375 filegate. Travelgate. 675 00:31:59,458 --> 00:32:01,083 Whitewater investigation. 676 00:32:01,166 --> 00:32:03,834 None of that amounted to absolutely anything. 677 00:32:03,917 --> 00:32:05,709 There were no crimes committed. 678 00:32:05,792 --> 00:32:07,917 There were, you know, 679 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,959 perhaps mistakes of judgment made. 680 00:32:10,041 --> 00:32:13,625 But much of it was just downright silly, 681 00:32:13,709 --> 00:32:15,709 a waste of taxpayers' money, 682 00:32:15,792 --> 00:32:18,041 and an exercise in partisanship. 683 00:32:18,125 --> 00:32:21,709 Nothing ever gets pinned on the Clintons. 684 00:32:21,792 --> 00:32:26,709 Nevertheless, there's a continual hue and cry. 685 00:32:26,792 --> 00:32:31,125 The call of the bloodhounds arises every morning 686 00:32:31,208 --> 00:32:33,250 with the idea that there's something there. 687 00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:35,500 There must be something there. 688 00:32:38,041 --> 00:32:40,375 There apparently was a systematic influx 689 00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:45,208 of illegal money in our presidential race last year. 690 00:32:45,291 --> 00:32:48,542 We will be wanting to know who knew about it, 691 00:32:48,625 --> 00:32:50,417 who should have known about it, and whether or not 692 00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:52,500 there was an attempt to cover it up. 693 00:32:52,583 --> 00:32:55,625 There was a broad accusation 694 00:32:55,709 --> 00:33:00,583 that the government of the people's republic of China 695 00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:04,417 was attempting to buy influence in the Clinton white house 696 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,625 by funneling cash into the president's reelection campaign 697 00:33:07,709 --> 00:33:09,750 in 1996. 698 00:33:09,834 --> 00:33:12,625 And Bill Clinton forcefully said, 699 00:33:12,709 --> 00:33:14,583 "there's nothing here." 700 00:33:14,667 --> 00:33:17,792 And Louis freeh... 701 00:33:17,875 --> 00:33:20,291 Said the white house was lying. 702 00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:22,542 Fund-raising practices by the president 703 00:33:22,625 --> 00:33:24,792 involving foreign contributors 704 00:33:24,875 --> 00:33:27,500 are being looked into by the justice department. 705 00:33:27,583 --> 00:33:30,750 Foreign influence and particularly foreign money 706 00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:35,208 provides opportunity for blackmail, 707 00:33:35,291 --> 00:33:39,083 avenues for national security information 708 00:33:39,166 --> 00:33:41,333 to be sold abroad. 709 00:33:41,417 --> 00:33:44,542 So anytime that you have serious allegations 710 00:33:44,625 --> 00:33:49,041 of direct foreign meddling in an election, 711 00:33:49,125 --> 00:33:51,542 it should be taken very seriously. 712 00:33:51,625 --> 00:33:53,875 My marching orders from director freeh 713 00:33:53,959 --> 00:33:56,583 was to follow the evidence wherever it led. 714 00:33:56,667 --> 00:33:58,208 Now, one thing he did want-- 715 00:33:58,291 --> 00:34:01,041 and he was very specific about this-- 716 00:34:01,125 --> 00:34:05,333 was that he wanted US to go directly at what he considered 717 00:34:05,417 --> 00:34:08,125 the core group: The president himself, 718 00:34:08,208 --> 00:34:10,041 the vice president, leadership within 719 00:34:10,125 --> 00:34:12,917 the Democratic national committee. 720 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,959 We learned through 721 00:34:15,041 --> 00:34:16,875 tracing the money through grand jury subpoenas 722 00:34:16,959 --> 00:34:18,375 that these people that contributed 723 00:34:18,458 --> 00:34:19,917 to the Democratic national committee 724 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,333 were not the true donors. 725 00:34:21,417 --> 00:34:23,166 These donors were reimbursed through cash. 726 00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:24,792 If you went to the source of the cash, 727 00:34:24,875 --> 00:34:26,583 you found that that money came in 728 00:34:26,667 --> 00:34:29,166 typically through foreign wires from overseas. 729 00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:31,500 You would inspect the checks, 730 00:34:31,583 --> 00:34:33,959 and they'd all be dated the same day. 731 00:34:34,041 --> 00:34:36,333 They'd all have the same amount. 732 00:34:36,417 --> 00:34:38,875 And they'd all be Asian names that were associated 733 00:34:38,959 --> 00:34:40,667 with the checks. 734 00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:42,375 The one thing they were all buying 735 00:34:42,458 --> 00:34:45,208 and the one common denominator that was here 736 00:34:45,291 --> 00:34:46,667 was access. 737 00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:48,875 Access equals ability 738 00:34:48,959 --> 00:34:51,667 to get what you want done done. 739 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:53,166 I want access to the president. 740 00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:55,166 I want access to the vice president. 741 00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:58,625 I want access to the high levels of people at the dnc. 742 00:34:59,834 --> 00:35:02,917 Charlie trie operated a Chinese restaurant 743 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,875 in little rock and began contributing heavily 744 00:35:05,959 --> 00:35:08,500 to the Democratic national committee. 745 00:35:08,583 --> 00:35:11,250 Charlie trie was in the white house, 746 00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:15,959 and he had a bag of checks, and he gave it to them. 747 00:35:16,041 --> 00:35:18,667 Bag of checks. I mean... 748 00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:21,208 I mean, really? 749 00:35:21,291 --> 00:35:24,208 John huang, who was seeking 750 00:35:24,291 --> 00:35:26,542 Asian-American money 751 00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:30,375 that had close ties to the Chinese government 752 00:35:30,458 --> 00:35:34,583 and indeed Chinese military intelligence as well. 753 00:35:34,667 --> 00:35:37,166 We knew who the bad guys were, all right? 754 00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:39,291 We started with the-the bundlers, okay? 755 00:35:39,375 --> 00:35:41,709 And we could work up the chain. 756 00:35:41,792 --> 00:35:46,083 But unlike other cases, we can only go so high. 757 00:35:46,166 --> 00:35:49,041 There was something called the independent counsel act, 758 00:35:49,125 --> 00:35:51,375 and the independent counsel act was the law of the land 759 00:35:51,458 --> 00:35:53,583 at the time. It has since sunset. 760 00:35:53,667 --> 00:35:56,667 And it basically said that the department of justice 761 00:35:56,750 --> 00:36:01,333 cannot investigate certain covered persons. 762 00:36:01,417 --> 00:36:02,875 The president of the United States, 763 00:36:02,959 --> 00:36:05,000 the vice president, cabinet-level positions 764 00:36:05,083 --> 00:36:07,125 within any administration 765 00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:10,041 were then considered covered persons 766 00:36:10,125 --> 00:36:12,250 such that if a credible and specific 767 00:36:12,333 --> 00:36:16,083 allegation of criminal misconduct was made, 768 00:36:16,166 --> 00:36:18,500 it would trigger this requirement 769 00:36:18,583 --> 00:36:21,583 that the matter be investigated by an independent counsel 770 00:36:21,667 --> 00:36:24,917 as opposed to the department of justice, 771 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,291 or the Attorney General. 772 00:36:27,375 --> 00:36:30,625 Louis freeh called forcefully for the appointment 773 00:36:30,709 --> 00:36:32,792 of yet another independent counsel 774 00:36:32,875 --> 00:36:36,333 to look into the Chinese cash allegations. 775 00:36:36,417 --> 00:36:38,291 Looking at all of the evidence, 776 00:36:38,375 --> 00:36:41,750 are there facts there that, as you understand them, 777 00:36:41,834 --> 00:36:46,709 indicate that covered persons may have violated federal laws? 778 00:36:46,792 --> 00:36:49,917 Under the facts and the law as I understand them to be, 779 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,709 the matter, in my opinion, should be referred 780 00:36:52,792 --> 00:36:54,542 to an independent counsel. 781 00:36:54,625 --> 00:36:56,125 Numerous allegations have been made 782 00:36:56,208 --> 00:36:58,542 against high government officials. 783 00:36:58,625 --> 00:37:01,041 We have reviewed every one of them to see if there's 784 00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:04,375 specific and credible information that a crime 785 00:37:04,458 --> 00:37:07,625 may have been committed by a covered person. 786 00:37:07,709 --> 00:37:11,083 Today, following the law's letter, I have decided 787 00:37:11,166 --> 00:37:13,458 that the allegations against President Clinton, 788 00:37:13,542 --> 00:37:15,500 vice president Gore, 789 00:37:15,583 --> 00:37:18,125 and former energy secretary Hazel O'Leary 790 00:37:18,208 --> 00:37:21,083 do not at this time warrant the appointment 791 00:37:21,166 --> 00:37:22,583 of an independent counsel. 792 00:37:24,417 --> 00:37:26,917 Do not at this time warrant the appointment 793 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,625 of an independent counsel. 794 00:37:30,166 --> 00:37:31,750 There's no doubt in my mind 795 00:37:31,834 --> 00:37:34,291 that Janet Reno was protecting the president. 796 00:37:34,375 --> 00:37:37,083 One of the things that I found very interesting-- 797 00:37:37,166 --> 00:37:40,125 which I believe to this day-- is, if you, 798 00:37:40,208 --> 00:37:41,333 are going to make appointments 799 00:37:41,417 --> 00:37:43,458 as president of the United States, 800 00:37:43,542 --> 00:37:45,792 the most important appointment that you will make 801 00:37:45,875 --> 00:37:48,375 for your cabinet or for his admin--your administration 802 00:37:48,458 --> 00:37:51,417 is the Attorney General, because if the Attorney General 803 00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:53,291 will cover your back and protect you, 804 00:37:53,375 --> 00:37:56,125 you can get away with almost anything. 805 00:37:56,208 --> 00:37:59,583 We can prove that foreign money was, placed into 806 00:37:59,667 --> 00:38:01,417 the, Democratic national committee, 807 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:02,750 coffers. 808 00:38:02,834 --> 00:38:04,959 We can prove that money was laundered 809 00:38:05,041 --> 00:38:08,250 through the nuns conduit violations of the law. 810 00:38:08,333 --> 00:38:11,375 Is he knowledgeable about these things that went on 811 00:38:11,458 --> 00:38:14,125 all around him? That's the question. 812 00:38:14,208 --> 00:38:17,166 And it's easy for someone to say, "I didn't know." 813 00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:20,625 But a good investigator and good prosecutor, in my opinion, 814 00:38:20,709 --> 00:38:24,208 in my experience, has to be prepared to go further 815 00:38:24,291 --> 00:38:26,291 and to look at other evidence. 816 00:38:26,375 --> 00:38:30,166 There are parallels between what happened in '96 817 00:38:30,250 --> 00:38:33,834 and what happened in 2016. 818 00:38:33,917 --> 00:38:38,834 They are both instances of a foreign adversary, 819 00:38:38,917 --> 00:38:43,792 um, making efforts to influence our election. 820 00:38:43,875 --> 00:38:46,750 But, um, you know, clearly the Russian effort 821 00:38:46,834 --> 00:38:50,417 in 2016 was, 822 00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:52,583 much broader, 823 00:38:52,667 --> 00:38:57,166 much more aggressive, much more encompassing, 824 00:38:57,250 --> 00:39:00,083 and, in many ways much more diabolical 825 00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:04,208 than what took place in '96. 826 00:39:04,291 --> 00:39:07,333 Some people ended up being found criminally liable 827 00:39:07,417 --> 00:39:10,583 but nobody at a senior level that would have triggered, 828 00:39:10,667 --> 00:39:13,709 and tripped the independent counsel statute. 829 00:39:13,792 --> 00:39:16,041 To freeh, it didn't really matter what the facts were. 830 00:39:16,125 --> 00:39:19,417 It was always, substitute your own ad hoc judgment, 831 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,667 for what, is right, 832 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:24,375 and-and as I believe, 833 00:39:24,458 --> 00:39:26,417 rightness turned into righteousness 834 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,667 which turned into arrogance. 835 00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:30,875 I don't think there was anybody in law enforcement that-- 836 00:39:30,959 --> 00:39:35,250 that was working on this that felt, 837 00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:37,000 "hey, there's no crime here. 838 00:39:37,083 --> 00:39:39,166 This is all okay. 839 00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:41,208 This is just 'politics.'" 840 00:39:41,291 --> 00:39:42,709 we would hit that glass ceiling, 841 00:39:42,792 --> 00:39:45,041 which was the independent counsel act. 842 00:39:45,125 --> 00:39:46,417 Okay. 843 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,291 We-we can't go any further. 844 00:39:48,375 --> 00:39:50,667 We can't issue a subpoena that--to that person 845 00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:52,875 because he or she's a covered person. 846 00:39:52,959 --> 00:39:54,667 We can't issue a subpoena to that person 847 00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:56,709 because he or she's a covered person. 848 00:39:56,792 --> 00:39:59,500 Or it's too close a call. 849 00:39:59,583 --> 00:40:02,291 It was clear that there was there, there. 850 00:40:02,375 --> 00:40:04,000 There was there, there. 851 00:40:04,083 --> 00:40:07,000 There was something going on. 852 00:40:14,375 --> 00:40:15,458 The whitewater investigation 853 00:40:15,542 --> 00:40:19,709 was stalling out by 1997. 854 00:40:21,959 --> 00:40:24,875 In the view of the starr prosecutors, 855 00:40:24,959 --> 00:40:27,792 it was because people like Jim mcdougal 856 00:40:27,875 --> 00:40:30,417 and webb hubbell were refusing to cooperate. 857 00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:31,959 In the view of the Clinton people, 858 00:40:32,041 --> 00:40:34,041 it was because there was no evidence 859 00:40:34,125 --> 00:40:36,792 and the starr prosecutors just had to give up. 860 00:40:40,417 --> 00:40:41,583 The Clinton white house 861 00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:43,542 was feeling very much 862 00:40:43,625 --> 00:40:46,583 like they were out of the woods with Ken starr 863 00:40:46,667 --> 00:40:50,208 and feeling like they had, defeated him. 864 00:41:15,208 --> 00:41:16,917 Move back! Move back! 865 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000 New allegations that President Clinton 866 00:41:19,083 --> 00:41:21,417 had an affair with a former white house intern and then... 867 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,542 Just who is Monica Lewinsky? 868 00:41:23,625 --> 00:41:25,083 CBS news... -A whirlpool 869 00:41:25,166 --> 00:41:26,375 of charges, reports, and rumors 870 00:41:26,458 --> 00:41:28,041 has kept on spinning. 871 00:41:28,125 --> 00:41:31,959 Speaking French 872 00:41:32,041 --> 00:41:33,500 then there's the dress, which could have 873 00:41:33,583 --> 00:41:35,208 possible DNA evidence. Lewinsky left... 874 00:41:35,291 --> 00:41:36,792 Monica! 875 00:41:36,875 --> 00:41:38,333 Monica, look over here! 876 00:41:38,417 --> 00:41:40,041 The name Monica Lewinsky 877 00:41:40,125 --> 00:41:44,417 was utterly unknown to US until January of 1998 878 00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:47,333 when information came to US 879 00:41:47,417 --> 00:41:49,542 that there might very well be, 880 00:41:49,625 --> 00:41:54,417 an activity underway to bring about 881 00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:57,000 perjury and subornation of perjury 882 00:41:57,083 --> 00:41:58,667 by the president of the United States 883 00:41:58,750 --> 00:42:02,041 in the Paula Corbin Jones litigation. 884 00:42:02,125 --> 00:42:04,792 In sworn testimony that Mr. Clinton gave 885 00:42:04,875 --> 00:42:07,500 in the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit, 886 00:42:07,583 --> 00:42:10,792 Mr. Clinton says he never had sexual relations 887 00:42:10,875 --> 00:42:12,875 with Monica Lewinsky, saw her only... 888 00:42:12,959 --> 00:42:15,792 The starr team felt that they had been thwarted 889 00:42:15,875 --> 00:42:18,625 at every turn by the Clintons. 890 00:42:18,709 --> 00:42:21,792 The Monica Lewinsky matter seemed like the one chance 891 00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:25,542 to pin it down that he had openly lied 892 00:42:25,625 --> 00:42:28,041 in a federal case. 893 00:42:32,125 --> 00:42:34,917 Monica Lewinsky story broke. 894 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,834 My concern immediately was that this is gonna overshadow 895 00:42:38,917 --> 00:42:41,458 the campaign finance scandal. 896 00:42:41,542 --> 00:42:43,667 And of course it did. 897 00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:46,709 And I think that's very unfortunate because 898 00:42:46,792 --> 00:42:50,041 what was brushed aside, I think, was more important 899 00:42:50,125 --> 00:42:53,750 than the Monica Lewinsky scandal. 900 00:42:53,834 --> 00:42:57,250 I think it's a factor that the underlying, activity 901 00:42:57,333 --> 00:43:01,333 was not, um, a crime or wasn't alleged to be a crime. 902 00:43:01,417 --> 00:43:04,709 But the underlying activity was alleged to be a violation 903 00:43:04,792 --> 00:43:07,667 of the federal and civil rights of a human being. 904 00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:12,000 And let's--let's get rid of those laws. 905 00:43:12,083 --> 00:43:15,709 Let's get rid of litigation as a mechanism for alleged 906 00:43:15,792 --> 00:43:18,166 victims of sexual harassment in the workplace-- 907 00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:20,458 which is what that was all about-- 908 00:43:20,542 --> 00:43:22,792 and just say, "well, we don't wanna handle it that way, 909 00:43:22,875 --> 00:43:24,792 and we don't wanna have to put people under oath," 910 00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:28,709 or, "we don't want people to-to be, embarrassed." 911 00:43:28,792 --> 00:43:30,709 This was a serious context 912 00:43:30,792 --> 00:43:35,166 of a duly authorized, lawsuit 913 00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:38,458 involving the civil rights of a human being. 914 00:43:38,542 --> 00:43:41,875 I wanna say one thing to the American people. 915 00:43:41,959 --> 00:43:45,166 I want you to listen to me. I'm gonna say this again. 916 00:43:45,250 --> 00:43:50,166 I did not have sexual relations with that woman, 917 00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:51,792 miss Lewinsky. 918 00:43:51,875 --> 00:43:55,625 I never told anybody to lie, not a single time. 919 00:43:55,709 --> 00:43:59,208 Never. These allegations are false. 920 00:43:59,291 --> 00:44:02,333 And I need to go back to work for the American people. 921 00:44:02,417 --> 00:44:03,417 Thank you. 922 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,542 My reactions through that entire, um, saga, 923 00:44:13,625 --> 00:44:17,583 including his testimony, um, 924 00:44:17,667 --> 00:44:21,750 on that afternoon and then watching him that evening 925 00:44:21,834 --> 00:44:25,041 was one of profound disappointment. 926 00:44:25,125 --> 00:44:28,208 Can't we come clean? 927 00:44:28,291 --> 00:44:30,208 Can't this get over? 928 00:44:30,291 --> 00:44:32,834 Does this have to continue, 929 00:44:32,917 --> 00:44:37,125 this--what I'm calling this self-inflicted, wound? 930 00:44:37,208 --> 00:44:39,417 Can't the nation be spared? 931 00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:42,291 It was as if you were on this very... 932 00:44:42,375 --> 00:44:46,583 Unpleasant journey 933 00:44:46,667 --> 00:44:50,125 and you just want it to stop. 934 00:44:50,208 --> 00:44:52,417 And it's so easy for it to stop. 935 00:44:54,041 --> 00:44:55,834 Just do the right thing. 936 00:44:55,917 --> 00:44:58,125 Straighten it out. 937 00:44:58,208 --> 00:45:00,917 Better late than never. 938 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,792 As you know, in a deposition in January, 939 00:45:03,875 --> 00:45:06,208 I was asked questions about my relationship 940 00:45:06,291 --> 00:45:08,125 with Monica Lewinsky. 941 00:45:08,208 --> 00:45:10,583 While my answers were legally accurate, 942 00:45:10,667 --> 00:45:13,917 I did not volunteer information. 943 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,333 Indeed, I did have a relationship with miss Lewinsky 944 00:45:16,417 --> 00:45:18,458 that was not appropriate. 945 00:45:18,542 --> 00:45:20,917 In fact, it was wrong. 946 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,834 I know that my public comments and my silence 947 00:45:23,917 --> 00:45:27,375 about this matter gave a false impression. 948 00:45:27,458 --> 00:45:29,625 I misled people, 949 00:45:29,709 --> 00:45:32,333 including even my wife. 950 00:45:32,417 --> 00:45:35,583 I think that that was a very revealing moment 951 00:45:35,667 --> 00:45:37,583 when the public could see 952 00:45:37,667 --> 00:45:40,166 this guy is a liar. 953 00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:42,583 I mean, he lied to me. 954 00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:47,250 Governor, are you ready to take the oath? 955 00:45:47,333 --> 00:45:49,250 - I am. - Will you please raise... 956 00:45:49,333 --> 00:45:52,291 I can only tell you I was motivated by a desire 957 00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:54,792 to protect myself from the embarrassment 958 00:45:54,875 --> 00:45:57,166 of my own conduct. 959 00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:59,041 The fact that these questions were being asked 960 00:45:59,125 --> 00:46:01,625 in a politically inspired lawsuit-- 961 00:46:01,709 --> 00:46:03,375 which has since been dismissed-- 962 00:46:03,458 --> 00:46:06,333 was a consideration too. 963 00:46:06,417 --> 00:46:09,166 I think, as a general rule, 964 00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:12,291 the American public would like to be able to trust 965 00:46:12,375 --> 00:46:14,542 what their presidents have to say. 966 00:46:14,625 --> 00:46:18,291 There will be times of crises, and if our government 967 00:46:18,375 --> 00:46:20,792 or at least the head of our government 968 00:46:20,875 --> 00:46:23,542 has a track record of continually saying 969 00:46:23,625 --> 00:46:28,375 false things, um, then we don't know when, 970 00:46:28,458 --> 00:46:33,250 if at all, we can trust him or her. 971 00:46:33,333 --> 00:46:35,500 ...preserve, protect, and defend 972 00:46:35,583 --> 00:46:37,667 the constitution of the United States... 973 00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:39,834 ...preserve, protect, and defend 974 00:46:39,917 --> 00:46:41,875 the constitution of the United States... 975 00:46:41,959 --> 00:46:43,375 ...so help me god. 976 00:46:43,458 --> 00:46:45,125 ...so help me god. 977 00:46:45,208 --> 00:46:47,542 Congratulations. 978 00:46:47,625 --> 00:46:50,333 I had real and serious concerns 979 00:46:50,417 --> 00:46:53,500 about an independent counsel investigation 980 00:46:53,583 --> 00:46:55,750 that began with private business dealings 981 00:46:55,834 --> 00:46:59,375 20 years ago, then into my private life. 982 00:46:59,458 --> 00:47:03,417 The truth will come out... One way or the other. 983 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:04,917 You can try to hide it. 984 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,417 You can try to play games with it. 985 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,709 You can try to avoid it. 986 00:47:08,792 --> 00:47:12,709 But in the end, the truth is gonna come out. 987 00:47:12,792 --> 00:47:16,208 Better that it be done on your terms, 988 00:47:16,291 --> 00:47:20,208 in speaking honestly, to the people who elected you 989 00:47:20,291 --> 00:47:25,250 than to have, a special prosecutor or an indictment 990 00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:29,667 or an impeachment, do that for you. 991 00:47:30,667 --> 00:47:32,792 This is where starr's possible grounds 992 00:47:32,875 --> 00:47:34,583 for impeachment begin. 993 00:47:34,667 --> 00:47:36,875 There are 11 counts. 994 00:47:36,959 --> 00:47:39,250 Count one, that the president lied under oath 995 00:47:39,333 --> 00:47:42,375 in the Jones case when he denied his sexual affair. 996 00:47:42,458 --> 00:47:44,792 Two, he lied under oath to the grand jury 997 00:47:44,875 --> 00:47:46,583 about his sexual relationship. 998 00:47:46,667 --> 00:47:48,291 The facts were the facts, 999 00:47:48,375 --> 00:47:50,709 and as I said to the house of representatives, 1000 00:47:50,792 --> 00:47:52,625 to the judiciary committee, 1001 00:47:52,709 --> 00:47:55,250 "this is yours. This is what we've found. 1002 00:47:55,333 --> 00:47:58,959 My duty as a law officer is to bring this to your attention 1003 00:47:59,041 --> 00:48:02,375 because there's substantial and credible information 1004 00:48:02,458 --> 00:48:06,041 that an impeachable offense may have been, committed. 1005 00:48:08,208 --> 00:48:10,917 The unfinished business is further consideration 1006 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,500 of house resolution 611, 1007 00:48:13,583 --> 00:48:15,792 which the clerk will report by title. 1008 00:48:15,875 --> 00:48:18,875 A resolution impeaching William Jefferson Clinton, 1009 00:48:18,959 --> 00:48:20,917 president of the United States, 1010 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,625 for high crimes and misdemeanors. 1011 00:48:23,709 --> 00:48:28,500 Today Republicans with a small handful of democrats 1012 00:48:28,583 --> 00:48:32,208 will vote to impeach President Clinton. Why? 1013 00:48:32,291 --> 00:48:36,041 We believe he assaulted our legal system in every way. 1014 00:48:36,125 --> 00:48:38,041 Let it be said that any president who cheats 1015 00:48:38,125 --> 00:48:40,750 our institutions shall be impeached. 1016 00:48:40,834 --> 00:48:42,792 But to the president, I would say 1017 00:48:42,875 --> 00:48:45,375 you, sir, may resign your post. 1018 00:48:49,959 --> 00:48:53,333 It is our laws--the criminal code of the United States 1019 00:48:53,417 --> 00:48:56,083 of america--which, based on exhaustive evidence, 1020 00:48:56,166 --> 00:48:58,000 this president has violated 1021 00:48:58,083 --> 00:49:00,417 pursuant to a pattern of activity. 1022 00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:03,625 To me, there is no doubt that the impeachment 1023 00:49:03,709 --> 00:49:05,291 of William Jefferson Clinton, 1024 00:49:05,375 --> 00:49:08,375 was helpful to our national health. 1025 00:49:08,458 --> 00:49:11,875 It stood very clearly for the proposition 1026 00:49:11,959 --> 00:49:14,375 that there is such a thing as rule of law, 1027 00:49:14,458 --> 00:49:16,625 that there is 1028 00:49:16,709 --> 00:49:19,667 a standard below which 1029 00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:22,709 presidents shall not be allowed, 1030 00:49:22,792 --> 00:49:26,250 at least without paying a price for it to act. 1031 00:49:26,333 --> 00:49:29,625 The senate meets today to conclude this trial 1032 00:49:29,709 --> 00:49:31,667 by voting on the articles of impeachment, 1033 00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:33,792 thereby fulfilling its obligation 1034 00:49:33,834 --> 00:49:35,125 under the constitution. 1035 00:49:35,208 --> 00:49:37,041 Article one. 1036 00:49:37,125 --> 00:49:40,250 In his conduct while president of the United States, 1037 00:49:40,333 --> 00:49:42,875 William Jefferson Clinton, in violation 1038 00:49:42,959 --> 00:49:45,500 of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute 1039 00:49:45,583 --> 00:49:48,041 the office of president of the United States, 1040 00:49:48,125 --> 00:49:50,166 has willfully corrupted and manipulated 1041 00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:52,750 the judicial process of the United States 1042 00:49:52,834 --> 00:49:55,250 for his personal gain and exoneration. 1043 00:49:55,333 --> 00:49:57,542 Senators, how say you? 1044 00:49:57,625 --> 00:50:00,583 Is the respondent, William Jefferson Clinton, 1045 00:50:00,667 --> 00:50:02,458 guilty or not guilty? 1046 00:50:02,542 --> 00:50:04,583 Mr. Abraham. -Guilty. 1047 00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:06,875 Mr. Abraham, guilty. 1048 00:50:06,959 --> 00:50:10,500 It's very dangerous when either party 1049 00:50:10,583 --> 00:50:12,792 uses impeachment proceedings 1050 00:50:12,875 --> 00:50:16,291 to try to push a political end, 1051 00:50:16,375 --> 00:50:19,333 to try to push a palace coup. 1052 00:50:19,417 --> 00:50:23,291 On the other hand, it's equally dangerous 1053 00:50:23,375 --> 00:50:27,917 if either political party refuses to stand up 1054 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,166 to the facts if there is evidence 1055 00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:33,959 of some high crime or misdemeanor 1056 00:50:34,041 --> 00:50:36,542 that threatened the well-being of the state 1057 00:50:36,625 --> 00:50:40,125 that requires a president's removal from office. 1058 00:50:40,208 --> 00:50:42,750 Either scenario 1059 00:50:42,834 --> 00:50:45,792 is, a failure 1060 00:50:45,875 --> 00:50:48,917 to fulfill the constitutional role 1061 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,917 that one has as elected officials. 1062 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,500 Mr. Allard, guilty. 1063 00:50:54,583 --> 00:50:56,792 Mr. Grassley, guilty. 1064 00:50:56,875 --> 00:50:59,500 Mr. Domenici, guilty. 1065 00:50:59,583 --> 00:51:01,083 Mr. Allard... 1066 00:51:01,166 --> 00:51:02,667 If perjury was committed, 1067 00:51:02,750 --> 00:51:05,375 if there was a statement that turns out to be 1068 00:51:05,458 --> 00:51:08,166 provably untrue later, then I think the president 1069 00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:10,250 has to be treated like everyone else. 1070 00:51:10,333 --> 00:51:11,750 'Cause I think, under the criminal law, 1071 00:51:11,834 --> 00:51:13,458 everybody should be treated the same. 1072 00:51:13,542 --> 00:51:17,792 If the president is asked to testify, 1073 00:51:17,875 --> 00:51:21,125 subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury, 1074 00:51:21,208 --> 00:51:24,625 and says, "no, not gonna do it"? 1075 00:51:24,709 --> 00:51:26,083 You gotta do it. 1076 00:51:26,166 --> 00:51:27,667 You don't have a choice about that. 1077 00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:29,792 We've gone through this terrible four-year-- 1078 00:51:29,875 --> 00:51:32,125 this last four-year cycle with Monica 1079 00:51:32,208 --> 00:51:35,000 and the-the worst of all, the Linda tripps of the world, 1080 00:51:35,083 --> 00:51:38,000 and I-I just-- I just hate what I see. 1081 00:51:38,083 --> 00:51:39,709 I hate what it represents for the country. 1082 00:51:39,792 --> 00:51:41,166 We've been a-- been a laughingstock 1083 00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:42,375 all over the world. 1084 00:51:42,458 --> 00:51:44,000 And you're talking about lies 1085 00:51:44,083 --> 00:51:45,417 where you look into a camera and you say, 1086 00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:47,542 "I did not have sex with blah, blah, blah." 1087 00:51:47,625 --> 00:51:50,041 And it's--what's happened in the last three or four years 1088 00:51:50,125 --> 00:51:52,291 is truly disgraceful. 83546

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