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Tonight on history's
greatest mysteries:
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Ready to find D.B.Cooper?
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Do you think that he could be
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- D.B.Cooper?
- Yeah, I do.
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I think I've pinpointed
where it is.
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This could be our smoking gun.
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They've got to take
this back and reopen it.
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It's a mystery that's
confounded law enforcement
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for 48 years.
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On November 24th, 1971,
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a man who would become known
as D.B.Cooper
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hijacks a plane
and then jumps out,
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taking with him a ransom
of $200,000.
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I'm laurence fishburne
and tonight;
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who is D.B.Cooper,
and how did he escape?
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Neither his identity nor his
body has ever been recovered.
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It's impossible.
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Or is it?
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Can investigator
eric ulis finally close
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the only unsolved skyjacking
in us history?
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Eric and his team will reexamine
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the plane's alleged flight path.
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They'll search alternate
landing sites for fresh clues
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and profile a possible suspect.
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Tonight, a search
for new answers
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to one of history's
greatest mysteries.
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Who is D.B.Cooper?
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D.B.Cooper
investigator eric ulis
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is on his way
to washington state,
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but his research
and investigation started
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12 years earlier in arizona.
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I've always had
a fascination with aviation,
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which is what I believe
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ultimately drew me
into the case.
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Here was a man who developed
a cult-like following
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over the years,
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despite the fact
that nobody really knew
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anything about the guy at all.
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He became a legend overnight.
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I think d.B. Is
like coolest guy in america.
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He did the ultimate crime.
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Eventually, I found
the case was being hijacked
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by conspiracy theories
and so forth,
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and I just ended up
getting sucked in
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to this D.B.Cooper vortex.
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And, ultimately, I decided
that I was gonna undertake
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an investigation of my own
into the case.
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Over the years,
more than 1,000 suspects
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have been scrutinized.
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When this case
happened in the 1970s,
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the era of dna was not upon us,
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and agents really didn't look
out to preserve
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this evidence in the way
that we do now.
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In order to identify
where the fbi and others
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went sideways with this case,
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I knew that I was going
to have to personally read
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all 20,000 pages
of redacted fbi files
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regarding the case.
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Thanks to a
freedom of information act
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lawsuit filed in 2016,
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every few months,
the fbi releases files
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from the case
in chronological order.
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This constant drip
of new information
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and new sources
is key to eric's theory
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about what really happened
on northwest flight 305.
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The night of the skyjacking,
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we know a man boarded
northwest orient flight
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in portland destined
for seattle.
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He bought the ticket
with a $20 bill at the airport.
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There was no id required.
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And he gave the name
dan cooper to the ticket agent.
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He would end up taking a seat
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in the very back row of
the jet, 18e to be exact.
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The flight attendants recall
D.B.Cooper
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being a guy
who is in his mid-40s,
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dressed as a business person
wearing a black suit,
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wearing loafers
with a skinny black tie,
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and a raincoat.
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And he would later put on
a pair of dark sunglasses
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as the jet
was about to take off.
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By his side,
he had a black attache case.
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As the plane starts taxiing
toward the runway,
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D.B.Cooper hands
one of the flight attendants,
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florence schaffner, a note.
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Which says that he has a bomb.
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Thirty-six passengers
got off the jetliner
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in seattle last night.
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Left aboard four crew members
and the hijacker,
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dressed in a business suit,
demanding $200,000
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with the full ransom collected
from the seattle banks,
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and four parachutes aboard.
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The plane headed for reno.
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What many people
don't know was that
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reno was not the intended
destination.
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Cooper actually requested
that the plane fly
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to mexico nonstop.
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But the problem is, is that
he wanted the jet to fly
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with the landing gear down.
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He wanted the jet to fly
with the flaps down.
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He wanted the jet to fly
at a very slow speed,
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and not fly over 10,000 feet
in altitude.
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So there was simply no way
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that they could fly nonstop
to mexico city.
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They would need
to refuel somewhere.
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And they decided reno.
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According to eric,
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cooper's request to be flown
to mexico was a ruse.
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Seven minutes after the plane
left seattle,
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the flight crew received
an alert.
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The rear airstairs
were activated.
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The boeing 727 was unique
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in that it had airstairs
that would deploy
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from the back bottom
of the fuselage.
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In fact, it's these air stairs
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that the passengers
actually boarded the jet with.
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Roughly 27 minutes
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after the airstairs'
deployment alert,
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the crew experienced a cabin
pressure disturbance.
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At approximately 8:12 pm,
the pilots experienced
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what they described
as a pressure bump on the plane.
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What felt like a popping
in the ears.
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This pressure bump was created
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when d .B. Cooper jumped off
the back airstairs
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and the airstairs
snapped back up
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into the bottom of the fuselage.
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That bump holds the key
to everything.
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Estimating where and when
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that bump took place is key.
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It determined the area
in which fbi, air force,
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and local law enforcement
members looked for cooper
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in a coordinated ground search
that lasted for months.
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The fbi never found anything
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in their original search area.
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And my research indicates
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that the reason
they came up empty-handed
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was because they were actually
searching in the wrong place.
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Why were they searching
in the wrong place?
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Because the flight path was off.
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Understanding that pressure bump
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and identifying
the correct search area
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will allow us to ask the basic
fundamental questions.
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To test his theory
about the plane's path,
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eric is meeting
with the person charged
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with tracking flight 305
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on the night of the hijacking.
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The air traffic controller
on duty, cliff ammerman.
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My name is cliff ammerman.
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And, uh, I'm a retired
air traffic controller.
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I worked at the seattle center
air route traffic control
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from 1969 till 1998.
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Did the fbi
or law enforcement at all
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ever reach out to you?
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Never did.
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I never got a request
like that at all.
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What did you know about 305?
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I mean, I assume you knew
it was a skyjacked jet?
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We knew it was a hijacking.
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We didn't have
a flight plan on it
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because nobody knew exactly
what the routing was gonna be,
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so we were told,
"just follow him.
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Keep everybody else
away from him."
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it became fairly obvious
that he was on victor 23.
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Victor 23 is one airway in
a low-altitude airway structure
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that's nationwide.
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It's a system of ground-based
navigational aids
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that pilots can follow,
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and it allows them to hold
a track over the ground.
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Just like when you're on
interstate 5 in a car,
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victor 23 is a highway
in the sky.
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The first priority here
when tackling this case
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is trying to figure out the path
that the jet took.
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Can you gauge how precisely
you could identify
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the exact location
of flight 305?
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Yeah.
What I'm looking at is a map
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on a video screen.
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Aircrafts are being presented in
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what would look to you
like an equal sign.
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And on the leading slash,
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the aircraft itself could be
anyplace on that line.
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So it could be in the center,
it might be at the left side
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of the line, it might be at
the right side. We don't know.
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Any idea of roughly
what kind of distance
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you're looking at there?
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I would guess four to five
nautical miles long,
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that line is.
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How do you know that
he's actually within victor 23
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if you've got sort of that much
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- play there?
- Sure. Sure.
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It's very uncertain just exactly
where the airplane was
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within that target area
that we're seeing.
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So, uh, where's
the airplane actually?
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There's quite a bit
of variance in there.
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Indeed, the jet could have
actually been a handful of miles
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outside of this
victor 23 airway,
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and not have been noticed
by anyone.
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It seems to indicate
that the jet indeed took a path
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that was more along
the western side,
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that lines it up with the money
find and all that good stuff,
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that is not at all consistent
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with the official version
of the flight path.
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The pilot of northwest 305
also said
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that they were not looking
far enough west.
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Well, that confirms it for me.
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- Yeah.
- That's an area that
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they should have looked,
but they didn't look.
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Convinced the
plane was actually eight miles
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west of the original
fbi search zone,
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eric and his team head up
to a remote wilderness refuge
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that's never been searched.
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They're looking for any
evidence of D.B.Cooper,
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including possible remains
of his parachute.
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- Hey. Hey. How's it going?
- How's it going?
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- Eric ulis.
- Hey. Ryan.
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To maximize the
time he'll have on the ground,
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eric first takes to the sky
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to see how closely
his search lines up
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with an area known as tina bar.
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In 1980, the fbi found
important evidence there.
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A child has led the fbi
to the start of a trail
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it hopes it'll help them solve
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the eight-and-a-half-year-old
mystery of skyjacker
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D.B.Cooper.
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The first break
in the only unsolved
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airplane hijacking
in united states history
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came on a columbia river beach,
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along the
oregon-washington border
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where an eight-year-old boy
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dug up the shreds
of $3,000 on Sunday.
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The money was found
about 20 miles
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from the fbi's original
search zone.
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Also, it was found
about eight or nine miles
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against the current
along the columbia river.
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So there was no possible way
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that the money
just washed ashore.
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The bundles of 20s were found
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just below the surface
of the sand,
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neatly stacked upon each other
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with the original
rubber band still intact.
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So by all appearances,
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it looks like somebody
actually buried
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those three packets of 20s.
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Since it's
impossible to know the precise
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altitude at which cooper pulled
his parachute ripcord,
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eric plans to search
a wide area the fbi missed.
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The first is an island
a few miles north of tina bar.
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The second zone
is an extended meadow
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along the tree line on the west
side of the train tracks.
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If cooper landed there,
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eric believes
he could have walked south
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along these train tracks
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crossing over from the mainland
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at the river s bridge
to tina bar.
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Eric thinks cooper might have
buried the ransom here
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temporarily, and then fled.
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The third zone,
private properties
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across from the refuge
provide access
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to a large untouched ravine
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which could have given
perfect cover for D.B.Cooper.
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Part of what has guided me
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to these three specific
search areas
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is that they're pristine
and largely untouched
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in the last 50 years.
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Eric ulis.
Good to meet you.
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I'm thinking about, you know,
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the 12 years of research
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I have put into this case.
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This is what I have
been waiting for,
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the opportunity to actually
get boots on the ground
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and dig through the brush
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and look for those
missing parachutes,
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look for any sign
of D.B.Cooper.
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Eric ulis has investigated
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the D.B.Cooper case
for 12 years.
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The pilot of northwest 305
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also said that they were not
looking far enough west.
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Convinced the fbi misjudged
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the hijacked plane's
flight path,
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eric's assembled a team
to look for new evidence.
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They hope to find something
to reopen this cold case.
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Hey.
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Hey, you guys.
How you doing?
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Alex gall
with archeological services.
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This area was home to thousands
of native american's villages.
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So in order for the project
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to have special access
to the refuge,
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it needed an archeologist
to join the project,
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and, uh,
that archeologist is me.
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Given the terrain,
it's gonna be, uh...
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Require a lot of luck.
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Accompanying eric
on his mission,
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geophysicist, colin miazga,
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who will help examine
any ground disturbance
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or man-made materials
left behind by the skyjacker.
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With my geoscience background,
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you look for man-made objects.
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In this case though,
there's a very small object
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in a very big area,
so it's incredibly challenging.
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There's just so much
ground to cover,
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and the only real best way
to do that
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is by physically walking
over the area.
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Who wouldn't wanna be the person
responsible for solving,
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uh, a 50-year-old case
that the fbi gave up on,
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essentially?
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He's also enlisted the help of
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local search and rescue
volunteers,
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jason cole and barry wells.
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Both have a vast knowledge
of the area.
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I was here
when the event happened,
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and there was a lot of theories
going around.
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So, today,
what we're gonna be doing
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is getting on the boats.
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We're gonna be traveling
along the lake river
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up to the columbia river.
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Then once we're
on the columbia river,
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we're gonna go upstream
a little bit.
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This area
we're talking about here
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was not part
of the original search area.
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And obviously, the fact
that it's a refuge as well
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and is off-limits to people,
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- essentially...
- Yeah.
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Provides a real opportunity
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where the stuff
would have never been found.
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Ready to find D.B.Cooper?
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With restrictions in place
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to protect the local wildlife,
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eric and his team
must also contact
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the state environmental expert
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before they can begin
their search on the island.
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Hey, brent. How you
doing? Um... Good, eric.
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We'll work our way north,
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see if we can actually get over
to where you are
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because I think the refuge
is where we wanna start
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versus the dnr land.
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- And then we'll, uh...
- Right.
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We'll go from there.
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Let's get these guys over
on this shoreline here.
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- Landfall, here we go.
- Right now, we're on, uh,
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washington department
of natural resources land.
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And basically
at the tree line there
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is where the wildlife refuge
starts.
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They'll be limited
in the tools they can use,
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and are forbidden
to dig anything up
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or remove any evidence
from the refuge.
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If you wanna go over
some of these, uh,
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- maps that I pulled.
- This is 1970.
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So this '70.
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Compared to now,
the footprint...
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It's pretty...
It looks pretty stable.
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Looks pretty consistent.
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So the only... the only thing
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00:16:14,224 --> 00:16:17,307
that might give us
a little pause
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is the 1996 aerial.
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I know there was quite
a bit of flooding in '96.
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So it looks like to me
that this area here
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is actually under water.
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In 1996, there was actually
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a very big flood in the area.
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In reality, if the parachutes
were in that area,
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they could have easily been
swept out to the columbia river
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and out to the pacific ocean.
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I believe that the parachutes
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were placed a little bit
farther inland
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which wasn't affected
nearly as much.
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So you said the parachute
was white and the...
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The parachute itself was white.
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And the pack was green?
- That's correct.
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00:16:52,928 --> 00:16:54,240
Always helps me to know
what colors to be looking for.
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00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:56,179
It's dark green. Yeah. Yeah.
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Eric's team
is looking for D.B.Cooper's
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missing parachutes
and other evidence,
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including his attache case,
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ransom notes,
or unrecovered money.
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They must notify
local authorities
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and the fbi immediately
if they find anything.
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00:17:12,906 --> 00:17:14,719
But eric's search permit
for the refuge
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is limited and will expire.
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00:17:17,453 --> 00:17:19,578
We'll just start working off
from this direction
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and work our way through.
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- A little bit of rain.
- Today.
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Until end of day and tomorrow.
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I think we got to go
a little farther down
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to the open field basically.
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I was surprised... or is.
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At how he was dressed
as businessman.
385
00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:37,387
You bring up a great point
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because a lot of people said,
you know,
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"who in their right mind
would jump
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into the middle of the woods
wearing, uh, loafers
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- and a... and a tie."
- Uh-hmm. Uh-hmm.
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And I've always argued, nobody.
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I believe that the evidence
clearly shows
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that D.B.Cooper
intended to jump
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initially in the outskirts
of seattle.
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00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:00,368
After the skyjacking,
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00:18:00,454 --> 00:18:02,121
flight attendant, tina mucklow,
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00:18:02,207 --> 00:18:04,007
told authorities
that D.B.Cooper
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was visibly frustrated
and complained to her
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00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:09,545
about how the money
was delivered.
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00:18:09,588 --> 00:18:12,589
He, uh, made me feel very sure
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00:18:12,634 --> 00:18:15,384
that, uh, we had a very real
401
00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:17,260
and horrifying threat.
402
00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:19,680
When the money showed
up, it was not in a knapsack
403
00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:20,722
as he requested.
404
00:18:20,767 --> 00:18:24,477
It was actually just
delivered in a white open-top
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00:18:24,561 --> 00:18:26,436
canvas bank bag.
406
00:18:26,522 --> 00:18:28,375
It didn't have any zippers,
didn't have any snaps,
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00:18:28,398 --> 00:18:30,044
didn't even have a handle on it.
408
00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:32,109
Cooper needed
to figure out a way
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00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:35,070
to secure the top
of that bank bag.
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00:18:35,155 --> 00:18:37,573
If he didn't,
the force of the free fall
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00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:39,241
would have immediately ejected
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00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:41,786
all of the cash out of that bag.
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00:18:41,829 --> 00:18:45,539
It was also reported
by copilot, bill rataczek,
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that cooper had difficulties
lowering the airstairs.
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00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:50,480
He called us on the interphone
and requested that, uh,
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00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:51,856
he was having trouble
with the stairs.
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00:18:51,881 --> 00:18:53,422
"I can't get the stairs down."
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00:18:53,508 --> 00:18:55,633
eric believes
these delays forced cooper
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to jump into rougher terrain
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than originally planned.
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I think
that's really ground zero,
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00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:02,472
- as far as...
- Yeah.
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Searching for
the d .B. Cooper's parachutes
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if he landed in this area.
425
00:19:05,728 --> 00:19:08,270
And basically we need to start
right around here
426
00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:09,541
where these thicker bushes are,
427
00:19:09,566 --> 00:19:12,983
but start working our way down
428
00:19:13,027 --> 00:19:14,109
around to the south.
429
00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:15,653
Along the edges?
430
00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:17,821
To ensure
a thorough ground search,
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00:19:17,865 --> 00:19:20,282
the team walks at arm's length
from each other,
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searching in a traditional
grid pattern.
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00:19:23,203 --> 00:19:24,203
Let's move.
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00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:31,169
Uh, looks like
a un-penetrable wall back there,
435
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so I'm not even gonna try that.
436
00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:36,840
It's pretty thick
in front of us here.
437
00:19:36,884 --> 00:19:38,009
This stuff is brutal.
438
00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:39,301
Oh.
439
00:19:40,471 --> 00:19:42,346
Yikes.
440
00:19:42,432 --> 00:19:43,681
Yeah.
441
00:19:43,766 --> 00:19:46,224
That looks prime spot
to dump a parachute.
442
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:47,768
Exactly.
443
00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,686
Eric believes
cooper left his parachute
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behind wherever he landed.
445
00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:56,152
All the soil around here
is pretty packed clay.
446
00:19:56,237 --> 00:19:57,517
Um, there's no way he's digging
447
00:19:57,572 --> 00:19:59,989
more than whatever he could kick
with his boot.
448
00:20:00,074 --> 00:20:02,950
Right. And it's dark too, - right?
- Yeah.
449
00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:04,221
So he couldn't get
too far in there.
450
00:20:04,244 --> 00:20:05,368
No.
451
00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:08,205
Although the parachute
may have deteriorated,
452
00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:11,416
metallic and nylon material
could have survived.
453
00:20:11,501 --> 00:20:13,711
- Alex found some, uh...
- Let's check it out.
454
00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:15,732
It's really the first sign
of human activity
455
00:20:15,757 --> 00:20:18,048
I've seen in here.
456
00:20:18,092 --> 00:20:19,008
Oh, yeah.
457
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,384
This could be promising.
458
00:20:23,932 --> 00:20:25,890
Searching on
federally-protected land
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00:20:25,974 --> 00:20:29,518
on an island along
the washington-oregon border,
460
00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:31,061
investigator, eric ulis,
461
00:20:31,105 --> 00:20:33,230
and his team make what they hope
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00:20:33,273 --> 00:20:35,232
is a significant discovery.
463
00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:38,756
- Alex found some, uh...
- Let's check it out.
464
00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:41,072
It's really the first sign
of human activity
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00:20:41,115 --> 00:20:43,406
I've seen in here.
466
00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:44,451
Oh, yeah.
467
00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:45,910
This could be promising.
468
00:20:45,953 --> 00:20:47,472
Uh, I don't know anything
about parachutes
469
00:20:47,497 --> 00:20:49,057
- and the kinds of...
- yeah.
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Shroud lines they would use.
471
00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,045
The problem is the color
of the shroud lines
472
00:20:56,130 --> 00:21:00,883
were, uh, either white
or light pink.
473
00:21:00,926 --> 00:21:03,719
And so that would
not be part of... okay.
474
00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:05,596
D.B.Cooper's parachute.
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00:21:05,682 --> 00:21:07,390
This area is clear.
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00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,898
After 10 grueling hours,
477
00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:19,943
the team ends the search
for the day.
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00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:25,074
With the restrictions
that we have from the refuge,
479
00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:26,357
limiting the number of people
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00:21:26,411 --> 00:21:28,411
that we can actually
search with,
481
00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:31,788
and seeing
how vast this area is,
482
00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:33,915
and how dense the growth is
483
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,584
that we have to fight through,
484
00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:39,963
it just made me realize
how difficult this search
485
00:21:40,048 --> 00:21:41,298
is actually going to be.
486
00:21:46,138 --> 00:21:48,306
With only a few days
remaining to search
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00:21:48,348 --> 00:21:50,807
what he believes
is the landing area,
488
00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:54,103
eric reviews the mystery
of D.B.Cooper.
489
00:21:54,188 --> 00:21:55,980
There are really two parts
490
00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:57,815
to the d.B. Copper mystery.
491
00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:01,318
There's the part that relates
to what actually happened...
492
00:22:01,362 --> 00:22:02,819
All these years later,
493
00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:04,989
they're still looking
for D.B.Cooper.
494
00:22:05,074 --> 00:22:07,490
Everything fbi special agent
larry carr
495
00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:10,994
has on cooper
fits in one battered box,
496
00:22:11,038 --> 00:22:13,497
mostly what cooper left
on the plane.
497
00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:15,333
And there is this other part
498
00:22:15,417 --> 00:22:18,126
that relates
to who the guy actually was.
499
00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:19,545
D.B.Cooper came from someone.
500
00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:21,005
He came from somewhere.
501
00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:23,067
You know, he just didn't
miracle himself here.
502
00:22:23,092 --> 00:22:27,845
Uh, and so, uh,
someone has information.
503
00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:30,013
During the 45 years
that D.B.Cooper's
504
00:22:30,098 --> 00:22:32,057
skyjacking case remained open,
505
00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,852
the fbi investigated
more than a thousand
506
00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:36,854
possible suspects.
507
00:22:36,939 --> 00:22:39,522
Some simply matched
the crime sketch.
508
00:22:39,567 --> 00:22:42,692
Others confessed
on their death beds.
509
00:22:42,778 --> 00:22:45,695
Hospitalized here in florida
with kidney disease,
510
00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:48,490
duane weber motioned
to his wife to come close.
511
00:22:48,534 --> 00:22:51,618
He says I have a secret
to tell you.
512
00:22:51,703 --> 00:22:52,787
I said, "what?"
513
00:22:52,872 --> 00:22:55,247
he says, "I'm dan cooper."
514
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,708
Even a woman was investigated,
515
00:22:57,794 --> 00:22:59,710
pilot barbara dayton.
516
00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:02,380
Eric's determined to provide
a definitive answer
517
00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:04,382
about one person of interest,
518
00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:07,218
a man dna-tested in 2003
519
00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:09,345
but never publicly eliminated.
520
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:13,516
Eric believes this man
could be D.B.Cooper.
521
00:23:13,558 --> 00:23:16,684
His name is sheridan peterson.
522
00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:18,770
He actually became a suspect
523
00:23:18,855 --> 00:23:22,357
within one week
of the skyjacking.
524
00:23:22,402 --> 00:23:25,403
However,
it wasn't even until 2003,
525
00:23:25,445 --> 00:23:28,571
the fbi was actually able
to interview him.
526
00:23:28,615 --> 00:23:33,952
That fbi agent was a woman
named mary jean fryar.
527
00:23:34,038 --> 00:23:37,248
And what she told me
when I first reached out to her
528
00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:40,917
has completely changed
the trajectory in my case.
529
00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:42,044
I'm mary jean fryar.
530
00:23:42,087 --> 00:23:43,586
I'm a special agent with the fbi
531
00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:46,089
from 1985 to 2006.
532
00:23:46,174 --> 00:23:49,093
In 2003, I received, uh,
533
00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:51,073
a communication
from the seattle office
534
00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:54,890
to locate and interview
sheridan peterson
535
00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:57,058
who was residing in santa rosa
536
00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,438
and obtain
a voluntary dna sample.
537
00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:03,606
In late 2007, the fbi announced
538
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:06,777
that they had
a partial dna profile
539
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:10,448
that they've got
from D.B.Cooper's clip-on tie.
540
00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:12,950
This is the tie
we got the dna from.
541
00:24:12,993 --> 00:24:16,327
This could explain
why the fbi had mary jean fryar
542
00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:19,623
obtain a dna sample
from sheridan peterson
543
00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:22,792
to compare it against
the partial dna profile.
544
00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:25,462
When I met
with sheridan peterson in 2003,
545
00:24:25,548 --> 00:24:28,298
it was special
because it was a historic case.
546
00:24:28,384 --> 00:24:31,384
During my training
at the fbi academy,
547
00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:33,270
we had instructors that came in
548
00:24:33,346 --> 00:24:34,805
and, uh, talked about it.
549
00:24:34,891 --> 00:24:37,641
Sheridan's alibi,
since I talked to him in 2003,
550
00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:39,644
was always that he was present
in nepal
551
00:24:39,686 --> 00:24:40,978
for his children's birth.
552
00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:42,499
He was saying
he wasn't in the country
553
00:24:42,522 --> 00:24:44,375
so he couldn't have been
D.B.Cooper.
554
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,317
He did show me his birth
certificates of his kids,
555
00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:49,338
but his wife could have
very easily given birth
556
00:24:49,363 --> 00:24:50,445
without him there.
557
00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:52,823
Sheridan worked
in the department
558
00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:55,784
that literally wrote
the flight manual
559
00:24:55,869 --> 00:24:58,162
for the boeing 727 jet.
560
00:24:58,205 --> 00:25:00,955
He worked as a smokejumper
in montana.
561
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
He's an expert skydiver.
562
00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:05,586
He's a former boeing employee.
563
00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:09,839
Then in 1966, sheridan
found himself in vietnam
564
00:25:09,884 --> 00:25:14,803
working as a refugee
adviser until August of 1970
565
00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:17,263
when he and his wife
moved to nepal.
566
00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:20,683
There is nothing
that sheridan can point to
567
00:25:20,728 --> 00:25:24,230
that proves unequivocally
that he was in nepal
568
00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:27,191
at the time that
the skyjacking took place,
569
00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:29,817
with the exception
of the second wife.
570
00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:32,695
The problem is,
according to sheridan,
571
00:25:32,781 --> 00:25:36,325
his second wife died in 1977.
572
00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:41,413
Sheridan peterson
was interviewed for a program
573
00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:43,540
related to D.B.Cooper,
574
00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:46,042
and there are some
inconsistencies in there.
575
00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:49,547
There are things that he stated
that just don't add up.
576
00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:51,430
There are two things
that I found
577
00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,759
that could rule sheridan out
as a suspect.
578
00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:56,720
There's some discrepancy
with respect to eye color.
579
00:25:56,763 --> 00:25:59,722
Specifically,
sheridan has blue eyes,
580
00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:04,060
and the fbi's very first
description of D.B.Cooper
581
00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:06,564
had him having brown eyes.
582
00:26:06,606 --> 00:26:09,775
However, very quickly
after they put up
583
00:26:09,859 --> 00:26:12,027
the initial description
for D.B.Cooper,
584
00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:14,488
the fbi updated the description
585
00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:15,864
and described D.B.Cooper
586
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:19,159
as possibly having brown eyes.
587
00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:22,078
The second being,
we know that D.B.Cooper
588
00:26:22,163 --> 00:26:23,538
definitely smoked cigarettes.
589
00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:25,708
In fact,
he smoked eight cigarettes
590
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:27,417
during the skyjacking.
591
00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:30,753
I have never been able to prove
that sheridan peterson
592
00:26:30,798 --> 00:26:32,381
was ever a smoker.
593
00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:34,340
Eric's asked mary jean
594
00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:37,344
to help secure an interview
with sheridan.
595
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:41,097
Her goal, get him to request
his dna test results.
596
00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:46,769
Now, we can't use dna
to prove that he was D.B.Cooper
597
00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:49,230
because the profile
that the fbi has
598
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:52,776
is only a partial dna profile.
599
00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:54,944
But if we can get
sheridan peterson
600
00:26:54,989 --> 00:26:56,029
to actually request
601
00:26:56,115 --> 00:27:00,409
to get his dna comparison
results from the fbi,
602
00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,327
we may actually be able to prove
603
00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:06,289
definitively that
he wasn't d .B. Cooper.
604
00:27:18,346 --> 00:27:19,595
Back on the refuge,
605
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,805
eric ulis and his team
of investigators
606
00:27:21,848 --> 00:27:24,016
continue their hunt.
607
00:27:24,101 --> 00:27:26,644
Yesterday, they searched
a remote island.
608
00:27:26,686 --> 00:27:30,564
Today, they're searching
an extended meadow area.
609
00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:33,400
None of this land
has been searched before
610
00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:36,153
because the fbi used
a different flight path
611
00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:39,615
to calculate its search area
in 1971.
612
00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:41,325
If eric can find any evidence
613
00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:43,117
that D.B.Cooper landed here,
614
00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,328
it might lead
to finally identifying
615
00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:46,997
the skyjacker.
616
00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:50,459
All right.
So, uh, today,
617
00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:52,169
uh, we're continuing the search
618
00:27:52,212 --> 00:27:54,046
for the missing parachutes.
619
00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:57,965
We've got our survivalist
with us as well, dan.
620
00:27:58,051 --> 00:27:59,811
I'm dan baird.
I'm a backcountry
621
00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:01,303
guidance survival expert.
622
00:28:01,346 --> 00:28:03,931
I'm not an expert
on D.B.Cooper himself,
623
00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:06,432
but to me, it seems like
it's a survival situation.
624
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:07,788
I'm looking forward
to the search,
625
00:28:07,811 --> 00:28:09,185
this is gonna be awesome.
626
00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:12,189
There are several copycat jumps
that took place
627
00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:14,023
after cooper's jump.
628
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:17,361
Every single person
who did it survived.
629
00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:21,699
Although every
copycat jumper survived,
630
00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:24,367
none of them got away
with the crime.
631
00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:27,871
Most notable,
a man named richard floyd mccoy
632
00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:29,914
who, in 1972, remained free
633
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,501
for two days
before being arrested.
634
00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:34,836
It seems that the real challenge
635
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,047
comes once he hits the ground,
636
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:39,048
how he gets out of the area.
637
00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:44,721
Were these tracks
in place at that time?
638
00:28:44,807 --> 00:28:47,557
- Yes, they were.
- Yeah, they were. Yup.
639
00:28:47,643 --> 00:28:51,603
We're on top
of the bnsf railway tracks.
640
00:28:51,689 --> 00:28:53,730
If D.B.Cooper landed
in this area,
641
00:28:53,816 --> 00:28:56,733
the railroad tracks
provide a perfect corridor
642
00:28:56,777 --> 00:28:59,361
that he could've used
to get to tena bar
643
00:28:59,447 --> 00:29:01,195
where the money was found.
644
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,823
Do you ever think
of looking into
645
00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:04,635
what the train schedule
was like that night?
646
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:06,910
If he landed,
started walking for 20 minutes,
647
00:29:06,996 --> 00:29:09,579
half hour, I'm sure
the train would've gone by.
648
00:29:09,664 --> 00:29:11,414
There was a railroad conductor
649
00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:13,419
who was driving down
the tracks that night
650
00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:16,586
who actually
did report to the fbi
651
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,047
that there was somebody
on the tracks.
652
00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:21,258
And it's important to remember
653
00:29:21,343 --> 00:29:23,154
that as the conductor
was bringing this
654
00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,721
to the attention of the fbi,
655
00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:27,263
the fbi actually thinks
656
00:29:27,307 --> 00:29:29,391
that D.B.Cooper landed six,
657
00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:31,809
or seven, or eight miles east
658
00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:33,103
of the railroad tracks.
659
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:37,775
Today, we're gonna be
doing half of the meadow,
660
00:29:37,859 --> 00:29:39,796
because there's just
too much territory
661
00:29:39,819 --> 00:29:40,986
to cover in one day.
662
00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:42,840
Tomorrow, we'll deal
with the other half.
663
00:29:42,865 --> 00:29:45,615
That said,
the search starts right here.
664
00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:47,742
There's gonna be four
of us that really have to work
665
00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:49,869
as the actual line searchers.
666
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,236
These guys are gonna be
a little bit more independent.
667
00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:56,250
I'll look along
the edge here a bit.
668
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:57,795
That's due north.
669
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,297
We need to work our way
and go further north.
670
00:30:00,382 --> 00:30:01,964
It's more of like a pinpoint
671
00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:03,319
- so then it'll open up...
- Yeah.
672
00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:04,801
It'll make it really sensitive
673
00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,490
- so you pick up everything.
- Your receiver, yeah.
674
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:08,325
And then you can kind of do
your crisscross...
675
00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:09,992
And if I left it on that,
it would be like, woo.
676
00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:12,142
- Exactly.
- It's messed up. Okay.
677
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,311
Somebody landing
in some place like this
678
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,815
in the middle of this thicket,
that would be pretty brutal.
679
00:30:17,857 --> 00:30:19,211
I mean, I just don't see
how you land
680
00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:22,819
in something like this
without getting injured.
681
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,821
On the night
D.B.Cooper jumped,
682
00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:27,825
moderate wind gust upwards
of 11 miles per hour
683
00:30:27,867 --> 00:30:29,451
were reported on the ground
684
00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:31,828
with sporadic rainfall.
685
00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:34,455
When cooper hit land,
he would've experienced
686
00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:38,125
ground temperatures
dropping into the 30s.
687
00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:39,502
It's so swampy right here.
688
00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:44,967
Is it dry over there,
jason, or...
689
00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:46,844
Yeah, if you come
around the north side,
690
00:30:46,886 --> 00:30:49,596
follow the grass.
691
00:30:52,393 --> 00:30:54,476
Can I go forward
and back a little bit?
692
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:58,855
This could be promising.
693
00:30:58,898 --> 00:30:59,898
Found it.
694
00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:05,237
Yeah, if you come
around the north side,
695
00:31:05,321 --> 00:31:06,696
follow the grass.
696
00:31:06,781 --> 00:31:08,740
Eric ulis and his search team
697
00:31:08,826 --> 00:31:10,741
are in a protected
wildlife refuge
698
00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:12,702
in southwest washington,
699
00:31:12,746 --> 00:31:15,372
searching for evidence
that D.B.Cooper
700
00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:17,124
landed here.
701
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:19,542
Halfway through searching
a large meadow area,
702
00:31:19,627 --> 00:31:22,211
they uncover something
that could be connected
703
00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:23,881
with this unsolved myself.
704
00:31:23,923 --> 00:31:25,965
I think I pinpointed
where it is.
705
00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:29,886
Cooper's nb6 parachute
had stainless steel parts.
706
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:31,407
Just, uh,
this must've been an old...
707
00:31:31,432 --> 00:31:33,265
So a hit on the metal detector
708
00:31:33,349 --> 00:31:36,101
is encouraging news.
709
00:31:36,185 --> 00:31:37,894
Yeah, looks about it.
710
00:31:37,938 --> 00:31:39,499
It's either two separate objects
711
00:31:39,522 --> 00:31:42,398
or one slightly stretched out
712
00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:44,128
like the backpack
I think would be.
713
00:31:44,153 --> 00:31:46,778
All right.
We got something on the ground.
714
00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,279
Wow. So what does that mean
715
00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,782
as far as, uh, the size
of the piece?
716
00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:56,038
With any metal detection,
it's hard to get size
717
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,580
until you start digging it up
718
00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:00,291
because you could have
something really small
719
00:32:00,376 --> 00:32:02,355
that's really conductive
right at surface
720
00:32:02,378 --> 00:32:05,422
and that's gonna give you
a really solid response.
721
00:32:05,507 --> 00:32:07,318
But if you have something larger
722
00:32:07,343 --> 00:32:09,403
that... that's at depth,
it could actually give you a...
723
00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:11,228
It'll give you
a smaller response.
724
00:32:11,262 --> 00:32:13,931
And so it's just how close
the object is to the sensors.
725
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:15,557
Although the metal detector
726
00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:17,726
registered a strong hit,
727
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:20,645
the size of the object,
how conductive it is
728
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:22,500
and how close it is
to the surface,
729
00:32:22,523 --> 00:32:26,151
can all influence
the strength of the signal.
730
00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:27,443
It seems really pinpointed
731
00:32:27,488 --> 00:32:30,821
at that little soft spot
right there.
732
00:32:30,907 --> 00:32:32,365
I mean, that's a robust signal.
733
00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:34,490
I mean, clearly,
there's something down there.
734
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,832
Well then maybe...
Oh, there we are.
735
00:32:40,917 --> 00:32:44,001
- Oh, wire.
- A wire.
736
00:32:44,087 --> 00:32:45,671
What kind of wire though?
737
00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:48,632
Parachute pull cord?
738
00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:51,676
So the wire
has to stay on the ground, so...
739
00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:52,844
Let me... let me try to see
740
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:54,156
if I got cell service in here.
741
00:32:54,181 --> 00:32:56,097
I'll give mark
a really quick call.
742
00:32:57,308 --> 00:33:00,852
Mark meltzer
is an expert skydiver.
743
00:33:00,938 --> 00:33:04,146
He's gonna know this
parachute inside and out.
744
00:33:04,191 --> 00:33:06,900
So, he's the perfect person
to reach out to
745
00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:10,612
to see if he recognizes
this piece of wire
746
00:33:10,698 --> 00:33:12,614
and if he thinks it has anything
747
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,200
to do with the parachute.
748
00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:16,660
- Eric?
- Hey, mark.
749
00:33:16,744 --> 00:33:18,390
Yeah, it's eric.
So we found what appears
750
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:21,373
to be like a wire, uh, buried,
751
00:33:21,458 --> 00:33:23,333
kind of half buried in here.
752
00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:25,501
Is there any sort of wire?
753
00:33:25,546 --> 00:33:27,231
Uh, it's a little heavier
gauge wire,
754
00:33:27,256 --> 00:33:29,506
anything like that
in the... in the parachutes,
755
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:32,342
uh, either the reserve
or the, uh, the main
756
00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:33,989
that would...
That's consistent with that?
757
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,573
Uh, in the pilot...
In the pilot chute,
758
00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:37,491
there's a spring,
it's not stranded.
759
00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:39,557
It's solid wire,
but it's springy.
760
00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:41,121
So what kind of gauge
are we talking about,
761
00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:42,894
relative to, like, the size
762
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:46,230
of a, uh, a hangar, for example?
763
00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:47,398
About the same.
764
00:33:47,483 --> 00:33:49,403
Okay. Is it okay
if we take a picture
765
00:33:49,486 --> 00:33:50,693
and send the picture to you
766
00:33:50,738 --> 00:33:53,238
and just kind of get
your impression?
767
00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:54,448
Yeah, that's fine.
768
00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:57,241
Okay.
Hold on a second here, mark.
769
00:33:57,326 --> 00:33:58,910
Uh, is it... is it rusty?
770
00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,796
I mean, it's not shiny,
but it doesn't appear
771
00:34:00,873 --> 00:34:03,039
to be rusted to me, but...
772
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,416
Let me send this over to you.
773
00:34:05,501 --> 00:34:08,920
Hopefully, it lets me
send it out to you here.
774
00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:10,525
And then you can
just shoot me a callback
775
00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:11,985
as soon as you have a chance
to take a look at it.
776
00:34:12,009 --> 00:34:13,425
- Okay. Try that.
- All right.
777
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:15,217
- Thanks, mark.
- All right.
778
00:34:15,304 --> 00:34:17,094
There's an old road
in here, too,
779
00:34:17,181 --> 00:34:19,722
about a hundred yards in.
780
00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:21,932
- Hmm.
- Had a gate on it even.
781
00:34:22,018 --> 00:34:25,771
Let's see what kind of metal
they used on the fencing here.
782
00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:28,001
But that's what it looks like
actually right there.
783
00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:29,231
Yeah.
784
00:34:29,318 --> 00:34:30,733
That's what it looks like.
785
00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:32,255
Yeah, as you can see
down there... down there,
786
00:34:32,278 --> 00:34:34,257
that's how they secure
the post together
787
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,280
- and make them stand up.
- Yeah.
788
00:34:36,365 --> 00:34:37,824
It looked just like that.
789
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:41,786
It looked just like that,
exactly like that.
790
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:44,289
At least we have an idea
of what it is now, so...
791
00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:46,916
Yeah, that appears
to be the case.
792
00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:49,920
I was hoping that we would
have found something
793
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:52,463
a little bit more concrete
at this point.
794
00:34:52,548 --> 00:34:56,259
We've only got more day
left to search the refuge,
795
00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:58,969
then it's onto searching
the private property.
796
00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:04,684
While eric
and the team call it a day,
797
00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,061
retired fbi agent,
mary jean fryar,
798
00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:09,188
is in santa rosa.
799
00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:11,483
She's spoken
with sheridan peterson.
800
00:35:11,568 --> 00:35:13,318
Eric's key person of interest.
801
00:35:13,402 --> 00:35:15,862
And now, she said
she has even more reason
802
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:19,740
to believe
he could be D.B.Cooper.
803
00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:21,992
In September, I received
804
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,246
communication
from sheridan peterson,
805
00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,956
which was very strange.
806
00:35:25,998 --> 00:35:28,166
I've never had another person
I've ever interviewed
807
00:35:28,251 --> 00:35:31,836
in my 21.4 years
ever contact me again.
808
00:35:31,922 --> 00:35:33,880
And he sent me two messages
809
00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:36,257
about things
that were upsetting him
810
00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:39,844
and signed them both d.B.
811
00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:43,556
I think sheridan
loves the simulation,
812
00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:46,016
the engagement,
the thrill of him
813
00:35:46,103 --> 00:35:48,644
being a suspect as D.B.Cooper.
814
00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:50,646
Do you think
that he could be D.B.Cooper?
815
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:52,983
Yeah, I do.
816
00:35:53,025 --> 00:35:54,568
To prepare for her meeting,
817
00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:57,070
mary jean watches
an interview sheridan did
818
00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:00,407
for a 2016 documentary.
819
00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,867
In it, sheridan acknowledges
he sky jumped
820
00:36:02,952 --> 00:36:04,702
at issaquah skyport,
821
00:36:04,788 --> 00:36:07,038
the place that supplied
the parachutes D.B.Cooper
822
00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:11,668
requested during flight 305
skyjacking.
823
00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:16,213
Oh, I was the most obvious,
uh, suspect of anyone.
824
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,009
I have jumped in issaquah
825
00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:22,094
and I got
my instructor's license there.
826
00:36:22,181 --> 00:36:27,309
And that is where the guy
got the parachutes
827
00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:30,061
and I had worked
for, um, boeing.
828
00:36:30,146 --> 00:36:33,023
He's building a very
good case against himself.
829
00:36:33,065 --> 00:36:36,860
She said,
"where were you?"
830
00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:38,715
and I said,
"I was in the park."
831
00:36:38,739 --> 00:36:40,447
"oh, in the park. Come on.
832
00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:42,782
You can think
of a better one then."
833
00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:44,534
no, I did not say that.
834
00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:46,097
And they didn't keep track
of people
835
00:36:46,121 --> 00:36:47,806
going back and forth
from the country.
836
00:36:47,831 --> 00:36:49,121
If he was there, that's great.
837
00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:51,101
But, that doesn't prove
that he was there.
838
00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:53,293
And then I told them, I said,
839
00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:55,378
"he had four parachutes."
840
00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:58,505
he had one parachute
with a red x cross
841
00:36:58,592 --> 00:36:59,757
and that was a reserve.
842
00:36:59,842 --> 00:37:03,052
Another reserve
was perfectly good.
843
00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,429
Which reserve do you take?
844
00:37:05,514 --> 00:37:08,266
The one that was daisy-chained.
I remember that one.
845
00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:10,393
This is interesting
that he's so detailed.
846
00:37:10,478 --> 00:37:12,728
Took more than taking
the right parachute,
847
00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:15,440
it also meant that the person
would have to know
848
00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:17,775
those stairs come down
on the 727.
849
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:19,277
I wouldn't know what's on the...
850
00:37:19,362 --> 00:37:20,840
So that's what I...
That's what I'm saying,
851
00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:22,342
so anybody is saying
that you would've been
852
00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:23,949
a great D.B.Cooper,
853
00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:25,887
not if you didn't know
how to get off the airplane.
854
00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:27,619
Oh, yeah.
855
00:37:27,704 --> 00:37:29,036
That made him nervous, you know,
856
00:37:29,121 --> 00:37:30,182
with that conversation.
857
00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:31,623
Didn't know about the stairs
858
00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,291
and he's kind of fidgeting
with his cup.
859
00:37:34,378 --> 00:37:37,628
And did you ever hear
from mary jean again?
860
00:37:37,713 --> 00:37:40,923
She came back for some reason
861
00:37:41,009 --> 00:37:44,510
and told me
that, uh, there's no match.
862
00:37:44,596 --> 00:37:46,199
Well, it's very fortunate
for me.
863
00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:47,806
I'm about to go
see sheridan peterson
864
00:37:47,891 --> 00:37:50,141
for the first time since 2003
865
00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:52,309
and I'm hoping
that maybe at this point,
866
00:37:52,396 --> 00:37:55,105
he's finally ready to accept
867
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:57,190
that he's gonna tell us
that he's D.B.Cooper.
868
00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:58,418
Don't take it to your death.
869
00:37:58,443 --> 00:37:59,775
Set the record straight.
870
00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:02,320
Put this to rest
so that everyone can appreciate
871
00:38:02,405 --> 00:38:03,862
what you did and got away with,
872
00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:06,615
and not let anyone else
take credit for it.
873
00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:14,081
With their permit
expired at the refuge,
874
00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:17,293
eric and his team arrive
at their final search zone,
875
00:38:17,378 --> 00:38:20,630
a ravine on private property.
876
00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:22,172
It's on lake river
877
00:38:22,259 --> 00:38:24,070
and eric believes cooper
could have used it
878
00:38:24,094 --> 00:38:26,969
for cover as he made his way
to tena bar
879
00:38:27,054 --> 00:38:29,639
where some ransom money
was uncovered in 1980.
880
00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:31,202
- How's it going, man?
- It's going good.
881
00:38:31,226 --> 00:38:32,826
- Good to see you.
- Good to see as well.
882
00:38:32,893 --> 00:38:34,936
Yup. Yup. How you doing?
883
00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:37,563
Good morning.
Uh, so my name is eric.
884
00:38:37,648 --> 00:38:39,815
Barry, I wanna thank you
very much for, um,
885
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,780
getting these group
of people together
886
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,463
and why don't you give me
an idea of who we've got here?
887
00:38:43,487 --> 00:38:45,215
Because clearly
we have two different teams.
888
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,510
We have, uh, as you see
by the different colors of blue
889
00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:49,909
and the red, so, uh, I'm with
the southwest washington
890
00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:51,119
search and rescue
891
00:38:51,204 --> 00:38:53,163
and, uh, these folks here
in the red
892
00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:55,623
are with the clark county
sheriff's office.
893
00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:57,833
How many of you
have actually heard
894
00:38:57,918 --> 00:39:00,711
of D.B.Cooper or haven't heard
of D.B.Cooper
895
00:39:00,797 --> 00:39:02,672
who are familiar with the case?
896
00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:04,298
I know you guys are.
897
00:39:04,384 --> 00:39:05,652
It'd be more surprising
if somebody
898
00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:07,844
- hadn't ever heard of that.
- Yeah.
899
00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:10,137
I'd know.
900
00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:12,514
I'm from the east coast,
so this is...
901
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,077
I... I've read
a little bit about it
902
00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:15,913
and thought it was interesting
and being here
903
00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:17,039
with the rest of the team is,
904
00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,188
it's exciting and it's fun.
905
00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:21,023
So, um, you know, hopefully
906
00:39:21,068 --> 00:39:22,525
we do come across something
907
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:23,880
and, you know, get to learn
a little bit more
908
00:39:23,903 --> 00:39:26,153
about the pacific
northwest legend.
909
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,239
There's a lot of evidence
910
00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:29,782
that suggests that D.B.Cooper
911
00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:32,702
landed somewhere
in this vicinity.
912
00:39:32,788 --> 00:39:35,121
We did some searching
on the refuge side
913
00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:36,748
of lake river.
914
00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:39,626
Now it's time to focus
on this side of lake river.
915
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:41,543
My thought is that cooper,
916
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:44,005
you know, if he landed
in this area here,
917
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:46,507
would have, you know,
walked his way down
918
00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:50,094
to the ravine looking
for a path out of the area,
919
00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:52,889
a path toward
he railroad tracks.
920
00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:56,184
Today's search
will cover over 12 acres.
921
00:39:56,268 --> 00:39:58,436
So they've doubled
their search team.
922
00:39:58,521 --> 00:40:01,523
Each member is outfitted
with a gps tracker
923
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:04,275
and monitored
from a mobile command center.
924
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,568
All right.
Folks, we ready?
925
00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:09,030
If evidence
of D.B.Cooper is here,
926
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,199
eric's confident
his team can find it.
927
00:40:17,666 --> 00:40:18,748
Right side good?
928
00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:19,791
Right good.
929
00:40:19,876 --> 00:40:21,478
- Left side.
- Left side good.
930
00:40:21,503 --> 00:40:24,128
Okay. Moving.
All right. Slow, methodical.
931
00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:27,090
Just follow this ravine
straight down.
932
00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:29,717
Low and slow, folks.
Low and slow.
933
00:40:29,802 --> 00:40:30,987
Make sure you clear under trees
934
00:40:31,012 --> 00:40:32,594
and things like that.
935
00:40:34,014 --> 00:40:36,181
Look up every once in a while.
936
00:40:36,268 --> 00:40:38,268
Yeah, look behind you, too.
937
00:40:38,353 --> 00:40:40,603
And you can break
as much as you need to.
938
00:40:40,688 --> 00:40:43,273
Okay. We got permission.
939
00:40:43,358 --> 00:40:44,626
Keep going.
Yeah, looking good.
940
00:40:44,650 --> 00:40:45,817
- Keep going.
- Think,
941
00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:47,610
where would I hide a parachute?
942
00:40:49,197 --> 00:40:50,550
One other thing
to consider as I look
943
00:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,282
at these trees up here,
944
00:40:52,324 --> 00:40:55,117
one of the premier suspects
945
00:40:55,202 --> 00:40:58,163
in this case
was actually a smokejumper.
946
00:40:58,248 --> 00:41:00,456
If he happened to land
in this type of environment,
947
00:41:00,541 --> 00:41:01,978
he would have known
exactly what to do
948
00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:03,293
and how to handle the situation
949
00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:05,273
if he had caught up
in these trees, you know,
950
00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:06,628
60, 70 feet up.
951
00:41:06,715 --> 00:41:08,192
We know that he had
a pocket knife on him
952
00:41:08,215 --> 00:41:09,507
and how he actually used that
953
00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:11,362
to cut some of the shroud lines.
954
00:41:11,385 --> 00:41:13,197
So, uh, he would have
figured out a way to get down.
955
00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:16,847
It wouldn't have been
an issue for him.
956
00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,099
Oh, yeah, something.
957
00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:19,851
They got, uh, something.
958
00:41:19,936 --> 00:41:22,081
They're digging in something
over there, eric. I'm not sure.
959
00:41:22,105 --> 00:41:23,646
Eric,
do you wanna come over here?
960
00:41:23,731 --> 00:41:25,148
Yeah. Hold on.
961
00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,567
Right. Holding.
962
00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:29,485
Yes. That's the same area.
963
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:33,239
Hold this.
964
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:37,284
The wine bottle
like the piece of aluminum.
965
00:41:37,369 --> 00:41:38,827
Yeah, I think that's all it is.
966
00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:40,557
Yeah, some cork on it.
Yeah, it's definitely
967
00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:43,166
like a top of a wine cork.
968
00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,541
We know the guy was drinking.
969
00:41:44,628 --> 00:41:47,336
Um, had a bourbon
on the flight, you know.
970
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:48,858
This is one of those things
I'm just curious
971
00:41:48,882 --> 00:41:50,547
- if he took a couple.
- Yeah.
972
00:41:50,634 --> 00:41:52,402
Yeah. I mean you never know
he's got many bottles
973
00:41:52,427 --> 00:41:54,844
with him you don't know,
so it'd be the kind items
974
00:41:54,929 --> 00:41:59,474
to save, uh, for the
heck of it, but, yeah.
975
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,579
Seems unlikely
that there's any significance,
976
00:42:01,603 --> 00:42:05,480
- but, uh, an idea...
- Gives an idea of how...
977
00:42:05,565 --> 00:42:06,791
How sensitive
this instrument is.
978
00:42:06,815 --> 00:42:08,358
Yeah. All right.
979
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,318
- We'll continue.
- Let's just pocket that
980
00:42:10,402 --> 00:42:11,945
and we'll continue, yeah.
981
00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:13,987
Does that look like
something part of a plane?
982
00:42:19,663 --> 00:42:22,204
Cabinet or something?
983
00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:25,123
- Hey, eric.
- Yeah.
984
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:27,335
Do you wanna come here
for a second?
985
00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:29,128
- Yeah.
- Large metal box
986
00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:31,588
and I assume
somebody's filled it with rocks,
987
00:42:31,675 --> 00:42:33,318
but I just wanna make sure
that...
988
00:42:33,342 --> 00:42:35,092
- You don't have any...
- I'm gonna
989
00:42:35,177 --> 00:42:36,364
with me.
You see it anywhere.
990
00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:37,554
This right here.
991
00:42:37,597 --> 00:42:39,074
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
That's the kind of thing
992
00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:41,391
that, uh... I don't know
how it ended up here,
993
00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:43,411
but it's certainly not
associated with the parachute
994
00:42:43,436 --> 00:42:44,686
- or anything like that.
- Yeah.
995
00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:45,998
And it's not associated
with anything...
996
00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:47,541
Nothing that I'm aware of, yeah.
997
00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:49,585
It doesn't, uh...
It's certainly much bigger
998
00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:51,420
than the attache case
would have been.
999
00:42:51,443 --> 00:42:53,297
It looks just... up here,
it looks to me
1000
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,072
just like a, uh, you know,
old metal box, so...
1001
00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:58,074
Yeah.
It's an old metal box, yeah.
1002
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,701
Yeah. Okay.
1003
00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:02,244
All right.
Good to check out though.
1004
00:43:05,666 --> 00:43:08,293
Although they've yet
to find definitive evidence,
1005
00:43:08,378 --> 00:43:11,545
the search team has recovered
a few items of interest,
1006
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:13,213
including this small gauge wire
1007
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:17,050
which could have been
part of the nb6 parachute.
1008
00:43:17,137 --> 00:43:20,471
They also found nylon
rope hanging from a tree
1009
00:43:20,556 --> 00:43:23,307
and aluminum
that could be from beverages
1010
00:43:23,393 --> 00:43:25,726
served on flight 305.
1011
00:43:28,023 --> 00:43:30,898
A few, you know,
falls positive, so to speak,
1012
00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:33,108
it helps keep a little fresh
in your mind
1013
00:43:33,193 --> 00:43:35,235
that this is a very real case.
1014
00:43:35,322 --> 00:43:37,090
Uh, this guy
really did really exist.
1015
00:43:37,114 --> 00:43:39,615
He really did jump somewhere
in this area.
1016
00:43:39,701 --> 00:43:42,242
Those parachutes are somewhere
in this vicinity,
1017
00:43:42,286 --> 00:43:44,454
uh, and it's just a matter
of finding them.
1018
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:52,711
Investigator
eric ulis is on the last day
1019
00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:55,965
of his search for evidence
that could solve
1020
00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:58,467
the mystery of D.B.Cooper.
1021
00:43:58,552 --> 00:44:01,721
Eric believes the fbi
got it wrong
1022
00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:04,474
and cooper actually landed
eight miles west
1023
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,601
of law enforcement's
original search zone.
1024
00:44:07,646 --> 00:44:10,146
If he can find
any sign of cooper,
1025
00:44:10,231 --> 00:44:12,606
it would prove
he survived the jump,
1026
00:44:12,692 --> 00:44:15,108
and may be alive today.
1027
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,197
I wonder
what this area looked like
1028
00:44:20,282 --> 00:44:21,990
for 48 years ago.
1029
00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:24,327
I think
it looked just like this.
1030
00:44:24,411 --> 00:44:26,411
The ravine the team's searching
1031
00:44:26,498 --> 00:44:30,166
has remained untouched
by loggers for 50 years.
1032
00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:31,853
Eric believes decades
of overgrowth
1033
00:44:31,878 --> 00:44:35,003
could have helped
preserve evidence.
1034
00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:37,465
There's an awful lot
of vegetation, uh,
1035
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:38,902
and this is exactly
the kind of area
1036
00:44:38,927 --> 00:44:40,737
that we would expect
to find something
1037
00:44:40,762 --> 00:44:43,596
if he was in this area
and happened to stash up.
1038
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:45,514
It wouldn't be fun
to land a parachute in.
1039
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,349
- Yeah.
- You'd get caught up.
1040
00:44:47,434 --> 00:44:49,184
This is actually
a pretty long property.
1041
00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:50,978
- Is it a long line?
- Yeah, we're about
1042
00:44:51,021 --> 00:44:53,313
- a fifth of the way right now.
- Oh, wow.
1043
00:44:55,902 --> 00:44:57,045
Watch to your right, folks.
1044
00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:58,277
Don't outwalk your flanks.
1045
00:44:58,362 --> 00:44:59,653
- Hey, joe.
- Yeah.
1046
00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:01,364
See that big tree
on the other side
1047
00:45:01,407 --> 00:45:03,032
of that ravine right there?
1048
00:45:03,117 --> 00:45:05,277
- That one right there? Yeah.
- So once we get to that,
1049
00:45:05,327 --> 00:45:06,931
we wanna spread out
to the right.
1050
00:45:06,954 --> 00:45:09,706
- Okay. There you go, eric.
- All right.
1051
00:45:09,791 --> 00:45:11,059
- All right.
- So you tug like this?
1052
00:45:11,083 --> 00:45:12,166
There you go. Yeah.
1053
00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:13,561
And it'd catch you
if you fall, yeah.
1054
00:45:13,585 --> 00:45:15,210
- Excellent.
- There you go.
1055
00:45:15,255 --> 00:45:17,672
All right.
This one's still like that.
1056
00:45:17,757 --> 00:45:18,797
- All right.
- All right.
1057
00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:20,173
Good job.
1058
00:45:22,302 --> 00:45:25,722
$200,000 in 1971,
what would be the value
1059
00:45:25,764 --> 00:45:28,224
- of that today?
- It would be 1.2 million
1060
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:30,601
- today. So, he'd be...
- Wow.
1061
00:45:30,686 --> 00:45:32,478
Be a millionaire
in today's dollar.
1062
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:34,063
All of that for one million?
1063
00:45:34,148 --> 00:45:36,440
The fbi's never been
able to prove one way
1064
00:45:36,525 --> 00:45:39,443
or the other whether any
of the ransom was spent.
1065
00:45:39,528 --> 00:45:42,739
If D.B.Cooper
did actually spend his money,
1066
00:45:42,782 --> 00:45:45,157
my research indicates that
there would be approximately
1067
00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:47,784
50 of those bills
still out there
1068
00:45:47,871 --> 00:45:50,413
in circulation today.
1069
00:45:50,498 --> 00:45:53,248
There is a very strong chance
1070
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:56,753
that someone out there
right now has
1071
00:45:56,838 --> 00:46:00,088
one of those bills,
but they just don't know it.
1072
00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:01,423
As you can see here,
1073
00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:04,760
this is not a complete $20 bill.
1074
00:46:04,846 --> 00:46:07,722
In fact, I estimate that what
we're looking at is only about
1075
00:46:07,806 --> 00:46:11,601
25% of the original bill.
1076
00:46:13,146 --> 00:46:14,728
After a difficult grid search,
1077
00:46:14,813 --> 00:46:17,940
the team finally reaches
the ravine.
1078
00:46:18,025 --> 00:46:19,650
Okay, guys.
You're gonna have to...
1079
00:46:19,735 --> 00:46:21,838
A little slower. It's a little
bit more brushier here
1080
00:46:21,862 --> 00:46:26,032
for both sides, so...
From here, eric believes
1081
00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:29,117
cooper could hear trains
running on the bnsf
1082
00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:33,498
railway tracks,
tracks leading to tena bar.
1083
00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,043
Oh, look at right here
right in front of you.
1084
00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:40,545
There's some white
something here.
1085
00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:41,632
I don't know.
1086
00:46:47,514 --> 00:46:49,597
The material is interesting.
1087
00:46:49,681 --> 00:46:51,807
We have a parachute expert.
1088
00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:54,643
Um, I'm gonna,
well, ask him about it.
1089
00:46:54,686 --> 00:46:56,561
- Where'd you find it?
- Uh, just right under
1090
00:46:56,648 --> 00:46:58,438
the log here.
1091
00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:06,197
It looks like a mixed material,
1092
00:47:06,282 --> 00:47:07,675
some of which could be
on a parachute's...
1093
00:47:07,699 --> 00:47:09,157
I'll ask the expert and, uh...
1094
00:47:09,244 --> 00:47:10,659
- Yeah.
- -He'll be able to tell
1095
00:47:10,744 --> 00:47:12,494
- us definitively.
- Something with tension.
1096
00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:14,682
This had to be on something
with some serious tension.
1097
00:47:14,706 --> 00:47:17,416
The team sets up
a gps locator on the spot
1098
00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:19,835
where the cloth fragment
was found
1099
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,672
to provide coordinates
they can plot on a map.
1100
00:47:23,757 --> 00:47:26,384
The situation we find
ourselves in right now
1101
00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:29,219
is rare, unique
in a very limited time.
1102
00:47:29,304 --> 00:47:32,472
So, we just cannot afford to
pass up on situations like this.
1103
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,016
We have to thoroughly vet this.
1104
00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:36,561
We have to figure out
what we're working with here
1105
00:47:36,646 --> 00:47:38,271
because this may be it.
1106
00:47:38,356 --> 00:47:41,023
This may be the one
final golden opportunity
1107
00:47:41,108 --> 00:47:42,858
to figure out once and for all
1108
00:47:42,943 --> 00:47:44,652
what happened to D.B.Cooper.
1109
00:47:44,737 --> 00:47:46,548
We'll get it checked out.
We'll see what the...
1110
00:47:46,572 --> 00:47:49,030
- Yup.
- -Expert says.
1111
00:47:49,117 --> 00:47:50,824
Yeah. We'll see.
1112
00:47:50,909 --> 00:47:53,202
Could this fabric
be part of D.B.Cooper's
1113
00:47:53,288 --> 00:47:54,661
missing parachutes?
1114
00:47:56,916 --> 00:47:59,541
It appears
to be nylon and canvas,
1115
00:47:59,626 --> 00:48:00,876
which looked very durable.
1116
00:48:00,961 --> 00:48:03,211
It resembled a piece
of a parachute.
1117
00:48:03,297 --> 00:48:06,382
It certainly looked like it
could be, but I'm not sure.
1118
00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:08,237
So, now that we've got
the piece in hand,
1119
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:09,594
we've marked where we found it,
1120
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:11,532
we'll present it
to our parachute expert,
1121
00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:13,722
mark meltzer,
and he'll be able to tell us
1122
00:48:13,766 --> 00:48:16,077
definitively whether or not this
is a piece of a parachute
1123
00:48:16,101 --> 00:48:17,101
or not.
1124
00:48:19,188 --> 00:48:21,606
To learn more
about the fabric he found,
1125
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:25,358
eric heads to la to meet
with mark meltzer.
1126
00:48:25,445 --> 00:48:26,943
Not only
is he very knowledgeable
1127
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:29,572
about the cooper case,
he's also got something like
1128
00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:31,949
1,500, 2,000 parachute jumps.
1129
00:48:32,034 --> 00:48:33,887
It gives us the opportunity
to give him
1130
00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:36,036
that piece of evidence
that we found
1131
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,289
during the search,
see if he thinks
1132
00:48:38,373 --> 00:48:40,498
that could possibly
come from a parachute,
1133
00:48:40,585 --> 00:48:42,751
either the main parachute
or the reserve parachute
1134
00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:44,295
or something else.
1135
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:48,925
And he actually personally
knows sheridan peterson.
1136
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:51,469
I wanted to start out
talking to you a little bit
1137
00:48:51,554 --> 00:48:54,179
about D.B.Cooper's skill level
1138
00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:56,076
with respect to parachutes
given everything
1139
00:48:56,099 --> 00:48:58,559
you know about this case
specifically in skydiving
1140
00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:00,121
- in particular.
- What indicates to me
1141
00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:02,980
that he probably
had some experience
1142
00:49:03,065 --> 00:49:04,251
with military parachute gear
1143
00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:07,360
is the type of main
parachute rigs
1144
00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:10,780
that were brought to him
were either navy nb6
1145
00:49:10,864 --> 00:49:14,617
or nb8 containers
and harnesses and parachute
1146
00:49:14,702 --> 00:49:16,429
instructions were brought
to the plane,
1147
00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:18,014
printed instructions
on how to use the gear.
1148
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:19,807
He didn't need them.
And tina mucklow,
1149
00:49:19,831 --> 00:49:22,833
the stewardess that spent
the most time with cooper,
1150
00:49:22,918 --> 00:49:25,628
noted cooper taking out
a packing card out
1151
00:49:25,713 --> 00:49:26,963
of one of the parachute rigs.
1152
00:49:27,047 --> 00:49:30,340
And to me,
that's a huge clue that cooper
1153
00:49:30,425 --> 00:49:32,300
was most likely a skydiver.
1154
00:49:32,387 --> 00:49:34,637
I mean, skydivers know
what a packing card is.
1155
00:49:34,722 --> 00:49:37,306
Nobody else does.
Very well concealed.
1156
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:40,434
So, if cooper actually found
the packing card
1157
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:43,353
and knew how to put on
an nb8 or nb6,
1158
00:49:43,438 --> 00:49:46,773
- that's very telling.
- We did find something
1159
00:49:46,818 --> 00:49:50,152
that may or may not be related
to a parachute.
1160
00:49:50,237 --> 00:49:52,822
- I'd like to see it.
- I'll take it out.
1161
00:49:52,907 --> 00:49:54,280
Get this open here.
1162
00:50:05,585 --> 00:50:08,795
Well, it's interesting
and it has sort of a ripstop
1163
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,340
weave in the...
In the fabric material here,
1164
00:50:11,384 --> 00:50:13,009
the porous fabric material.
1165
00:50:13,094 --> 00:50:14,969
It has nylon webbing.
1166
00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:17,054
And I see nothing
in the materials
1167
00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:20,641
that's inconsistent
with the late '60s, early '70s.
1168
00:50:26,858 --> 00:50:29,775
Investigator
eric ulis is in los angeles
1169
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:32,695
meeting with parachute expert,
mark meltzer.
1170
00:50:32,739 --> 00:50:34,530
He hopes mark can shed light
1171
00:50:34,614 --> 00:50:37,532
on a piece of possible evidence.
1172
00:50:37,617 --> 00:50:39,534
Looking for the missing
parachute,
1173
00:50:39,619 --> 00:50:44,039
we did find something
that may or may not be related
1174
00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:45,498
to a parachute.
1175
00:50:56,471 --> 00:50:58,429
Well, it's interesting
and that it has sort
1176
00:50:58,514 --> 00:51:00,889
of a ripstop, uh, weave in the...
1177
00:51:00,974 --> 00:51:03,893
In the fabric material here,
the porous fabric material.
1178
00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:05,728
It has nylon webbing.
1179
00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:07,938
A ripstop weave
is commonly found
1180
00:51:08,023 --> 00:51:10,940
in fabrics made
to resist tearing.
1181
00:51:11,027 --> 00:51:14,070
Yarns are interwoven
at regular intervals
1182
00:51:14,155 --> 00:51:16,405
in a crosshatch pattern.
1183
00:51:16,449 --> 00:51:19,407
I see nothing in the
materials that's inconsistent
1184
00:51:19,494 --> 00:51:21,744
with the late '60s, early'70s.
1185
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:24,204
But it's not the right color
for a military parachute gear.
1186
00:51:24,289 --> 00:51:27,583
This is a turquoise blue
and it apparently has leather
1187
00:51:27,626 --> 00:51:30,835
over-sewn on the perimeter
of the, uh, thing.
1188
00:51:30,922 --> 00:51:34,047
And there is no leather on the...
On the type of gear that cooper
1189
00:51:34,092 --> 00:51:35,931
jumped with.
It does have components
1190
00:51:36,010 --> 00:51:37,195
in common with a parachute gear.
1191
00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:38,469
There's nylon webbing.
1192
00:51:38,554 --> 00:51:40,929
It has some sort of ripstop
weave fabric.
1193
00:51:41,014 --> 00:51:42,701
But I can say with a hundred
percent certainty
1194
00:51:42,724 --> 00:51:45,226
that this was not from
D.B.Cooper's parachute gear.
1195
00:51:45,268 --> 00:51:46,663
So you've
pretty much established
1196
00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:49,230
that it's absolutely not related
1197
00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:51,773
to the parachute
that he jumped with.
1198
00:51:51,858 --> 00:51:53,670
What's the possibility
that there's some sort of
1199
00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:56,277
relation to the dummy
reserve parachute?
1200
00:51:56,322 --> 00:51:58,007
Yeah. That's an interesting
question, eric.
1201
00:51:58,032 --> 00:52:01,074
I've seen some crude things done
to those trainee reserves
1202
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:03,911
that the only thing you want
to do is have it be able
1203
00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:06,121
to be deployed and packed up
really quickly.
1204
00:52:06,206 --> 00:52:07,623
So, they cut panels out.
1205
00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:09,894
They sometimes cut some
of the suspension lines off.
1206
00:52:09,918 --> 00:52:11,855
It doesn't have to be done
to faa specs.
1207
00:52:11,878 --> 00:52:14,838
And so, I can't definitively
say this wasn't part
1208
00:52:14,923 --> 00:52:16,132
of a trainee reserve.
1209
00:52:16,217 --> 00:52:17,340
I think it's unlikely.
1210
00:52:17,425 --> 00:52:19,425
But I certainly
can't rule it out.
1211
00:52:19,469 --> 00:52:20,802
This is very exciting for me
1212
00:52:20,887 --> 00:52:22,471
because there's a possibility
1213
00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:25,141
that this piece could be part
1214
00:52:25,184 --> 00:52:28,184
of the modification
that was made
1215
00:52:28,271 --> 00:52:29,978
to the dummy reserve parachute.
1216
00:52:30,063 --> 00:52:32,648
You personally know
sheridan peterson.
1217
00:52:32,692 --> 00:52:35,442
What are your overall
impressions of peterson
1218
00:52:35,485 --> 00:52:40,322
as they pertain
to the possibility of this guy
1219
00:52:40,365 --> 00:52:42,992
being the real D.B.Cooper?
1220
00:52:43,034 --> 00:52:47,871
Sheridan peterson is absolutely
a qualified candidate.
1221
00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:51,000
There is no aspect to that jump
that he wasn't a master of.
1222
00:52:51,043 --> 00:52:54,335
He knew how to jump
into the wilderness and egress.
1223
00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:56,005
Do I think he's D.B.Cooper?
1224
00:52:56,047 --> 00:52:57,297
I just don't know.
1225
00:53:02,304 --> 00:53:03,637
To further his investigation,
1226
00:53:03,722 --> 00:53:07,307
eric ulis next visits
claire peterson,
1227
00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:09,684
sheridan peterson's first wife.
1228
00:53:09,769 --> 00:53:11,831
He hopes she may have
some insight into whether
1229
00:53:11,856 --> 00:53:14,523
sheridan could've pulled off
the skyjacking.
1230
00:53:14,608 --> 00:53:18,027
She also has details
about sheridan's second wife,
1231
00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:21,487
the key person who could
corroborate his alibi.
1232
00:53:21,532 --> 00:53:23,740
Sheridan has three children,
1233
00:53:23,826 --> 00:53:25,701
all grown, with claire.
1234
00:53:25,786 --> 00:53:30,539
They were married in the
'50s and divorced in 1962
1235
00:53:30,625 --> 00:53:34,626
which is right before
sheridan moved up to seattle
1236
00:53:34,711 --> 00:53:36,211
and got the job at boeing.
1237
00:53:36,255 --> 00:53:39,088
Actually sheridan started
working at boeing
1238
00:53:39,175 --> 00:53:40,798
in may of 1962.
1239
00:53:40,885 --> 00:53:44,594
So, they went their separate
ways right before that.
1240
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,556
So, this is gonna be fascinating
to speak with claire
1241
00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:49,849
about her time with sheridan.
1242
00:53:49,936 --> 00:53:55,898
Claire peterson was
interviewed by the fbi in 1974
1243
00:53:55,942 --> 00:53:58,567
about sheridan
and about this case.
1244
00:53:58,652 --> 00:54:01,945
And at that time,
sheridan was living in asia.
1245
00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:07,076
So, she knew as of 1974
that sheridan was a suspect
1246
00:54:07,161 --> 00:54:09,577
in the D.B.Cooper skyjacking.
1247
00:54:09,664 --> 00:54:12,831
Sheridan was 45
at the time of the skyjacking.
1248
00:54:12,916 --> 00:54:15,041
And eric believes
his appearance is similar
1249
00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:18,295
to the original sketch
of D.B.Cooper.
1250
00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:20,755
Sheridan lived in seattle
prior to the skyjacking
1251
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,467
and was photographed
in a suit and tie
1252
00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:26,427
while posing as a skydiver.
1253
00:54:26,514 --> 00:54:27,721
As a boeing employee,
1254
00:54:27,764 --> 00:54:29,617
it's also likely
that sheridan knew
1255
00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:32,268
the inner workings
of the boeing 727.
1256
00:54:32,311 --> 00:54:35,561
And finally, eric does not
believe that sheridan's alibi
1257
00:54:35,648 --> 00:54:38,731
can be corroborated for
the time of the skyjacking.
1258
00:54:53,498 --> 00:54:55,123
- Hi, claire.
- Hi.
1259
00:54:55,208 --> 00:54:56,791
- Hi. Eric ulis.
- You must be eric.
1260
00:54:56,835 --> 00:54:59,085
- I am eric. How are you?
- Fine. Thank you.
1261
00:54:59,170 --> 00:55:01,463
Good to meet you.
1262
00:55:01,548 --> 00:55:04,632
Claire agreed to help
eric obtain a dna profile
1263
00:55:04,677 --> 00:55:06,510
from one of their children.
1264
00:55:06,594 --> 00:55:09,762
It will be compared to the dna
from D.B.Cooper's tie
1265
00:55:09,849 --> 00:55:12,016
left aboard flight 305.
1266
00:55:12,101 --> 00:55:14,809
If it's a match, eric
could finally have the answer
1267
00:55:14,894 --> 00:55:17,646
to the mystery
of D.B.Cooper's identity.
1268
00:55:19,233 --> 00:55:21,150
First of all, claire,
thank you very much
1269
00:55:21,235 --> 00:55:24,110
for taking the time
to sit down with me
1270
00:55:24,195 --> 00:55:26,989
and talk a little bit
about your life
1271
00:55:27,032 --> 00:55:28,824
and your life with sheridan.
1272
00:55:28,909 --> 00:55:33,161
Could you describe just
the nature of your relationship
1273
00:55:33,246 --> 00:55:37,333
during that seven years
with sheridan?
1274
00:55:37,376 --> 00:55:40,335
The relationship was bumpy.
1275
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:43,172
He did have tirades of anger.
1276
00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:45,340
I don't think
he could control it.
1277
00:55:45,425 --> 00:55:48,052
So, I knew there was a time
that I was gonna have to say
1278
00:55:48,137 --> 00:55:49,677
goodbye to him.
1279
00:55:49,722 --> 00:55:53,014
And that's the way it went,
1280
00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:56,768
something had to be done
'cause I didn't wanna get hurt.
1281
00:55:56,853 --> 00:56:00,021
In terms of being
clever and deceptive
1282
00:56:00,106 --> 00:56:03,817
when there's something that
he wanted or what have you,
1283
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:06,862
did you detect
any of that in him,
1284
00:56:06,905 --> 00:56:08,864
the ability to be deceptive?
1285
00:56:08,949 --> 00:56:12,159
I think he was deceptive, yes,
1286
00:56:12,244 --> 00:56:15,371
in a way that would work
for him.
1287
00:56:15,456 --> 00:56:17,873
As eric speaks
with claire peterson,
1288
00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:21,043
former fbi agent
mary jean fryar is in route
1289
00:56:21,086 --> 00:56:23,420
to visit sheridan peterson.
1290
00:56:23,505 --> 00:56:27,215
In 2003, she interviewed him
as a person of interest
1291
00:56:27,259 --> 00:56:29,885
and collected a dna sample.
1292
00:56:29,969 --> 00:56:32,846
This is the first time
they've met since then.
1293
00:56:37,353 --> 00:56:39,228
I was glad you reached out to me
1294
00:56:39,313 --> 00:56:40,771
and, uh, on twitter.
1295
00:56:40,856 --> 00:56:43,606
When you sent me
that message that you wish
1296
00:56:43,692 --> 00:56:46,402
I was still in the fbi
because you had things
1297
00:56:46,487 --> 00:56:48,653
that were happening
to your computer.
1298
00:56:48,739 --> 00:56:52,490
- Yeah.
- Do you remember
that in September?
1299
00:56:52,576 --> 00:56:54,221
- With your book, with your book.
- Oh, yeah.
1300
00:56:54,244 --> 00:56:57,913
Yeah.
You signed it d.B.
1301
00:56:57,956 --> 00:57:01,208
well, because I
thought I'd amuse you.
1302
00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:02,583
Yeah. You did amuse me.
1303
00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:05,336
Twice you sent... you signed d.B.
1304
00:57:05,422 --> 00:57:08,132
yeah.
1305
00:57:08,217 --> 00:57:12,052
I was so surprised to find you.
1306
00:57:12,096 --> 00:57:13,804
It's been
a long time since we've
1307
00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:15,806
- seen each other.
- Yes, it has,
1308
00:57:15,891 --> 00:57:17,641
that was 20 years ago, huh?
1309
00:57:17,726 --> 00:57:22,603
- Long time ago.
- Uh, heisting of aircraft
1310
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:24,231
and that wasn't me.
1311
00:57:24,315 --> 00:57:29,652
There were easier ways
to get 200,000 I would say,
1312
00:57:29,737 --> 00:57:31,905
I'm surprised that you guys
are still interested.
1313
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:33,364
They never caught the guy.
1314
00:57:33,451 --> 00:57:34,782
Uh-huh.
They didn't?
1315
00:57:34,869 --> 00:57:36,952
The fbi gave up
on it and closed it.
1316
00:57:37,036 --> 00:57:38,744
- Oh, did they?
- The fact that
1317
00:57:38,831 --> 00:57:41,414
people think that you could be
D.B.Cooper makes sense.
1318
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,585
D.B.Cooper
was a... was a gangster.
1319
00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:46,795
He was a thief.
1320
00:57:46,838 --> 00:57:49,297
- He stole $200,000 and he...
- Yeah. He did.
1321
00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:52,425
And he also... he wanted
to blow up a plane.
1322
00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:54,552
He would've killed
a lot of people.
1323
00:57:54,637 --> 00:57:56,472
Do you think
the bombs were real?
1324
00:57:56,514 --> 00:57:59,432
Oh, they weren't real. No.
1325
00:57:59,518 --> 00:58:00,518
How do you know that?
1326
00:58:03,271 --> 00:58:05,063
Investigator mary jean fryar
1327
00:58:05,148 --> 00:58:07,733
is meeting
with sheridan peterson.
1328
00:58:07,818 --> 00:58:11,235
A man she interviewed in 2003
as a person of interest
1329
00:58:11,322 --> 00:58:12,737
in the D.B.Cooper case.
1330
00:58:12,822 --> 00:58:14,489
Do you think
the bombs were real?
1331
00:58:14,574 --> 00:58:16,824
Oh, they weren't real. No.
1332
00:58:16,911 --> 00:58:20,621
The fbi found proofs that they...
1333
00:58:20,706 --> 00:58:22,623
- The bombs weren't real.
- They did?
1334
00:58:22,708 --> 00:58:24,791
I don't think... I don't...
Didn't hear that.
1335
00:58:24,876 --> 00:58:26,960
Oh, yeah.
They've... they...
1336
00:58:27,045 --> 00:58:31,047
Once he had jumped,
uh, he left the stuff behind.
1337
00:58:31,132 --> 00:58:34,134
He only left the tie behind.
1338
00:58:34,219 --> 00:58:36,260
The only items
recovered from the hijacked
1339
00:58:36,347 --> 00:58:40,056
plane were a long skinny
black clip-on tie.
1340
00:58:40,141 --> 00:58:43,643
A gold tie clip
and eight cigarette butts.
1341
00:58:43,728 --> 00:58:46,688
It's believed cooper jumped
with everything else
1342
00:58:46,731 --> 00:58:48,710
including the handwritten note
exchanged
1343
00:58:48,733 --> 00:58:51,693
between he
and the flight attendants.
1344
00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:53,152
Why would he do it?
1345
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:57,157
I feel that... my personal
opinion that he, uh,
1346
00:58:57,242 --> 00:58:59,826
ended up in the columbia river.
1347
00:58:59,869 --> 00:59:02,329
That money all rotted
and everything
1348
00:59:02,373 --> 00:59:03,956
was in the sand along
1349
00:59:04,041 --> 00:59:07,376
the bank up north of the dalles.
1350
00:59:07,418 --> 00:59:10,503
Actually, I think
the money was buried not lost.
1351
00:59:10,588 --> 00:59:12,713
Buried?
1352
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,509
Because it was like
in a stack in the sand,
1353
00:59:15,594 --> 00:59:18,719
not like just drifted there.
1354
00:59:18,764 --> 00:59:21,556
If he jumped and then just, uh,
1355
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,686
and entirely he was
wearing, he was crazy.
1356
00:59:25,771 --> 00:59:27,271
And I'm not crazy.
1357
00:59:27,356 --> 00:59:29,648
That took a lot of guts
to do what he did.
1358
00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:31,817
Oh, yeah. I think so.
1359
00:59:31,902 --> 00:59:34,193
Uh, uh, yeah.
1360
00:59:35,905 --> 00:59:37,822
You know, your life
story is fascinating.
1361
00:59:37,907 --> 00:59:41,367
Can we start after
your first wife claire?
1362
00:59:41,411 --> 00:59:44,954
Yeah.
So, right after my first wife,
1363
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:47,833
I took a sabbatical
in the philippines.
1364
00:59:47,918 --> 00:59:50,376
I was just an english teacher
1365
00:59:50,461 --> 00:59:55,090
and I met zeny she lived
in a very poor area.
1366
00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:59,844
She wasn't, um,
uh, well-educated.
1367
00:59:59,929 --> 01:00:03,056
But I married zeny
and we had two children.
1368
01:00:03,141 --> 01:00:07,268
And then I went to vietnam,
with the express purpose
1369
01:00:07,313 --> 01:00:10,731
of writing a documentary
on the vietnam war.
1370
01:00:10,773 --> 01:00:12,940
You know, I needed a passport.
1371
01:00:12,985 --> 01:00:15,068
Oh, I have those passports.
1372
01:00:15,112 --> 01:00:17,070
- Oh, you do?
- Can we see them?
1373
01:00:17,155 --> 01:00:19,822
Yeah.
1374
01:00:19,907 --> 01:00:21,949
This is the...
All your travel everywhere?
1375
01:00:21,994 --> 01:00:23,409
- Wow.
- Well, I'm not...
1376
01:00:23,494 --> 01:00:25,414
I'm not sure
it's all of them, but...
1377
01:00:25,496 --> 01:00:27,789
You keep everything.
I love that.
1378
01:00:27,833 --> 01:00:30,833
So, here's kathmandu
in August of '71.
1379
01:00:30,918 --> 01:00:32,835
- Yup.
- Now after
1380
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,590
August of '71,
then where did you go?
1381
01:00:36,675 --> 01:00:39,800
Oh, I went back to vietnam.
1382
01:00:39,887 --> 01:00:42,471
Yeah. I remember that,
we went...
1383
01:00:42,556 --> 01:00:46,224
I went back and I left
the family in,
1384
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:49,061
uh, malaysia in penang.
1385
01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:51,813
Your wife died in 1977?
1386
01:00:54,525 --> 01:00:56,108
Well, yeah.
1387
01:00:56,195 --> 01:00:59,445
I don't want them to know
where I am.
1388
01:00:59,530 --> 01:01:01,657
I don't want them to know
anything.
1389
01:01:03,661 --> 01:01:06,327
Back in idaho, eric ulis
continues his meeting
1390
01:01:06,371 --> 01:01:08,704
with sheridan's first wife,
claire.
1391
01:01:08,791 --> 01:01:11,500
He was not money crazy.
1392
01:01:11,543 --> 01:01:14,085
But he did not wanna work
but, you know,
1393
01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:15,586
he wanted to have a living
1394
01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:18,798
and I knew he wanted to go
to asia.
1395
01:01:18,884 --> 01:01:22,635
And it looked like he was doing
what he wanted to do.
1396
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:26,097
So, you were made aware
at some point that he, like,
1397
01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:27,724
headed to asia?
1398
01:01:27,809 --> 01:01:31,103
I did know that he left
and he went overseas.
1399
01:01:31,188 --> 01:01:33,646
And was there any contact
with him
1400
01:01:33,731 --> 01:01:35,690
- while he was over there?
- Um,
1401
01:01:36,735 --> 01:01:39,027
probably a couple of letters.
1402
01:01:39,070 --> 01:01:42,447
And then... but for years
and years, no contact.
1403
01:01:42,532 --> 01:01:44,282
One thing that was intriguing
1404
01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:46,242
that we talked about...
1405
01:01:46,327 --> 01:01:50,496
Related to, uh, his second wife.
1406
01:01:50,581 --> 01:01:52,708
And you're talking about a wife
1407
01:01:52,751 --> 01:01:55,626
that he led me to believe
was alive.
1408
01:01:55,713 --> 01:01:58,380
What did he say to you in 2007
1409
01:01:58,423 --> 01:02:01,048
that made you think
she was still alive?
1410
01:02:01,135 --> 01:02:05,010
I met his, uh, daughter,
their daughter,
1411
01:02:05,097 --> 01:02:07,556
and she wanted to see her mother
and she wanted to see her,
1412
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,599
that her mother got over here
to the united states
1413
01:02:10,686 --> 01:02:13,018
- from the philippines.
- What year was this?
1414
01:02:13,105 --> 01:02:15,688
- Oh, this was, 2007.
- So, you talked...
1415
01:02:15,773 --> 01:02:17,043
You had a conversation
with sheridan about this...
1416
01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:18,253
- I did.
- Right here at your house,
1417
01:02:18,277 --> 01:02:19,838
- where we are right now?
- I did. Yes.
1418
01:02:19,862 --> 01:02:21,755
- What did sheridan say about...
- Well, I asked him.
1419
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:23,070
Why don't you send for her?
1420
01:02:23,114 --> 01:02:25,449
Why don't you see
that she can get here?
1421
01:02:25,534 --> 01:02:27,701
And he laughed
and what he said was,
1422
01:02:27,786 --> 01:02:31,704
"oh, she wants to bring her
entire family over with her."
1423
01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:33,518
clearly, you're under
the distinct impression
1424
01:02:33,541 --> 01:02:36,376
that his second wife,
at least as of 2007
1425
01:02:36,461 --> 01:02:38,606
is alive and well and is living
in the philippines,
1426
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:40,338
- is that correct?
- Exactly.
1427
01:02:40,423 --> 01:02:42,965
According to sheridan,
his second wife
1428
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:48,137
had passed away in 1977.
1429
01:02:48,222 --> 01:02:51,224
Well, he's lying
about something.
1430
01:02:51,309 --> 01:02:55,228
If he is... Possibly dan cooper,
1431
01:02:55,313 --> 01:02:57,271
uh, she would know.
1432
01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:01,067
Well, that's where I started
to really think
1433
01:03:01,110 --> 01:03:03,695
perhaps that was he...
1434
01:03:05,324 --> 01:03:06,655
Who did it.
1435
01:03:06,742 --> 01:03:09,617
He had the knowledge
and probably...
1436
01:03:11,163 --> 01:03:15,081
He probably had the courage
to do something like that.
1437
01:03:17,001 --> 01:03:20,628
Look, I read eric's work
and I have to ask you.
1438
01:03:20,672 --> 01:03:22,588
I want to know how you knew
1439
01:03:22,673 --> 01:03:24,594
the reserve parachute
was daisy-chained.
1440
01:03:24,675 --> 01:03:27,219
I daisy-chained it.
1441
01:03:27,304 --> 01:03:28,552
You daisy-chained it?
1442
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:29,971
Yeah, I daisy-chained it.
1443
01:03:30,014 --> 01:03:33,307
We use it there,
at issaquah, for years.
1444
01:03:34,603 --> 01:03:36,143
Sheridan peterson worked at the
1445
01:03:36,188 --> 01:03:39,940
issaquah skydive center
in the early 1960s.
1446
01:03:39,983 --> 01:03:42,400
The same place that would
later provide parachutes
1447
01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:45,445
used by cooper in his escape.
1448
01:03:45,489 --> 01:03:47,280
I daisy-chained it so...
1449
01:03:47,324 --> 01:03:50,115
They throw it down and out, see,
1450
01:03:50,202 --> 01:03:53,494
the reserve,
I put the red x on it.
1451
01:03:53,579 --> 01:03:55,579
You hadn't been
to issaquah in five years.
1452
01:03:55,666 --> 01:03:56,786
How did you know that...
1453
01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:58,311
That's the same reserve
you made?
1454
01:03:58,335 --> 01:04:00,251
Well, I was sure it was.
1455
01:04:00,336 --> 01:04:02,128
Why would they change it?
1456
01:04:02,213 --> 01:04:04,130
Who gave it to him?
1457
01:04:04,215 --> 01:04:05,422
Linn emrich.
1458
01:04:05,509 --> 01:04:09,677
Well, that's why linn
emrich figured it was me.
1459
01:04:09,721 --> 01:04:12,597
Linn emrich
worked at issaquah skyport
1460
01:04:12,682 --> 01:04:14,641
at the same time
of the hijacking.
1461
01:04:14,726 --> 01:04:17,101
But, uh, the others don't...
1462
01:04:17,186 --> 01:04:22,190
No longer think that
I'm, uh, D.B.Cooper.
1463
01:04:22,275 --> 01:04:24,985
And you still had dna out there.
1464
01:04:25,070 --> 01:04:26,485
Yeah. You still have my dna.
1465
01:04:26,572 --> 01:04:27,987
There... it's still there. Yeah.
1466
01:04:28,072 --> 01:04:30,824
And I've never heard what...
That it was cleared.
1467
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:32,492
Well, I thought you said that...
1468
01:04:32,577 --> 01:04:34,661
No, because I never found out.
1469
01:04:34,746 --> 01:04:37,329
But you... you can find out
yourself.
1470
01:04:37,373 --> 01:04:38,998
I can send you the form.
1471
01:04:39,083 --> 01:04:41,668
You just make the request
and they'll tell you.
1472
01:04:41,753 --> 01:04:43,795
- Well...
- There was a little part of me
1473
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,567
that was hoping
you were gonna confess
1474
01:04:45,590 --> 01:04:47,215
to being D.B.Cooper today.
1475
01:04:47,259 --> 01:04:49,342
- A little part of you?
- Yeah.
1476
01:04:49,427 --> 01:04:53,346
Oh. She really is this fbi.
1477
01:04:53,431 --> 01:04:57,641
- Yeah.
- I just hope that... Whoever it is
1478
01:04:57,728 --> 01:04:59,686
takes some credit for it
1479
01:04:59,771 --> 01:05:02,355
before they die,
if they're still alive
1480
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,775
because it's quite
the accomplishment
1481
01:05:05,860 --> 01:05:07,740
and so many people
have claimed it
1482
01:05:07,778 --> 01:05:10,530
or tried to steal it
from this person saying,
1483
01:05:10,615 --> 01:05:12,594
"oh, I was D.B.Cooper."
or in their deathbed,
1484
01:05:12,617 --> 01:05:14,429
or family members
who will come out.
1485
01:05:14,452 --> 01:05:16,911
But it'll be nice if the person
1486
01:05:16,996 --> 01:05:19,914
doesn't let it go himself.
1487
01:05:22,628 --> 01:05:25,378
All right. Listen,
I have to say goodbye.
1488
01:05:25,463 --> 01:05:27,547
- Yeah. Yeah.
- Hey.
1489
01:05:27,632 --> 01:05:28,693
All right.
You take care of yourself.
1490
01:05:28,717 --> 01:05:29,882
Yeah.
1491
01:05:29,967 --> 01:05:31,384
I will send you that form.
1492
01:05:31,469 --> 01:05:33,052
- All right.
- All right? Is it...
1493
01:05:33,137 --> 01:05:34,615
- Uh, I will.
- Then we can put this to rest.
1494
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:35,597
- I'll go back...
- Unless you wanna
1495
01:05:35,641 --> 01:05:36,992
- confess to me.
- Huh?
1496
01:05:37,016 --> 01:05:38,391
Unless you wanna confess to me.
1497
01:05:38,476 --> 01:05:39,621
Oh, I got to get on my knees.
1498
01:05:39,644 --> 01:05:40,684
Yeah.
1499
01:05:40,771 --> 01:05:42,331
- Quality, sister.
- You take...
1500
01:05:42,356 --> 01:05:43,938
You take care of yourself.
1501
01:05:44,023 --> 01:05:45,606
I'm gonna remember this forever.
1502
01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:46,858
Oh, well, good.
I will, too.
1503
01:05:54,492 --> 01:05:56,117
Twelve years after he began
1504
01:05:56,161 --> 01:05:58,911
his obsessive search
into D.B.Cooper,
1505
01:05:58,996 --> 01:06:00,704
eric ulis is in arizona
1506
01:06:00,791 --> 01:06:02,871
meeting with one of the only
researchers ever
1507
01:06:02,918 --> 01:06:07,963
to be given access to
cooper evidence by the fbi.
1508
01:06:08,005 --> 01:06:09,817
Eric hopes
that he will finally learn
1509
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,634
that the man he believes
could be D.B.Cooper...
1510
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:14,469
Really is.
1511
01:06:15,806 --> 01:06:18,639
Tom kaye is a rockstar
in the D.B.Cooper world
1512
01:06:18,724 --> 01:06:20,494
and the reason the guy
is a rockstar
1513
01:06:20,518 --> 01:06:24,311
is because he actually got
special access
1514
01:06:24,398 --> 01:06:27,940
to the evidence in 2008
as well as 2011.
1515
01:06:28,025 --> 01:06:30,818
Knowing this,
it only makes sense to see
1516
01:06:30,862 --> 01:06:33,989
if tom kaye happened to extract
1517
01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:38,159
some of D.B.Cooper's dna
while testing the tie.
1518
01:06:42,331 --> 01:06:43,831
- Eric, glad you made it.
- Hey, tom.
1519
01:06:43,875 --> 01:06:45,103
- How you doing, man?
- Good to see you.
1520
01:06:45,126 --> 01:06:46,501
Good to see you. Come on in.
1521
01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:50,005
Back in 2008, I was approached
by a cooper group
1522
01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:52,673
that was looking for somebody
to analyze the money
1523
01:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,217
that was found on tena bar
1524
01:06:54,302 --> 01:06:56,594
and have been buried there
for a long time.
1525
01:06:56,679 --> 01:07:00,181
Then we went back to the fbi
in 2011 and by that time,
1526
01:07:00,224 --> 01:07:02,891
we were working
with special agent curtis ang
1527
01:07:02,978 --> 01:07:05,186
and he allowed us then
to have access to the tie
1528
01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:08,565
specifically so we could do
a series of tests
1529
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:11,067
and we also vacuumed the tie
for particles.
1530
01:07:11,152 --> 01:07:12,880
What we found
that was really amazing
1531
01:07:12,903 --> 01:07:16,280
is we found metallic titanium
on the tie.
1532
01:07:16,365 --> 01:07:19,367
Titanium is used
to manufacture aircrafts
1533
01:07:19,452 --> 01:07:22,411
and is found
at plane manufacturing plants
1534
01:07:22,496 --> 01:07:24,039
like the boeing facility
1535
01:07:24,123 --> 01:07:28,585
where sheridan worked
from 1962 to 1964.
1536
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:30,628
There were very few applications
1537
01:07:30,713 --> 01:07:34,298
for commercially pure titanium
back in 1971.
1538
01:07:34,384 --> 01:07:36,885
And I know that some of my
research has actually shown
1539
01:07:36,969 --> 01:07:40,722
that indeed the 727 itself
specifically the engine
1540
01:07:40,766 --> 01:07:42,306
has commercially pure titanium.
1541
01:07:42,391 --> 01:07:44,893
At that time,
titanium wasn't very common.
1542
01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:47,144
It was used primarily
in aerospace
1543
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:48,623
and also
in the chemical industry.
1544
01:07:48,648 --> 01:07:51,648
So it goes a long ways
towards narrowing down
1545
01:07:51,735 --> 01:07:53,735
criteria for D.B.Cooper.
1546
01:07:53,778 --> 01:07:55,360
Now, we knew
how vitally important
1547
01:07:55,405 --> 01:07:56,780
the particles were on the tie
1548
01:07:56,864 --> 01:07:58,717
and we knew
what we were looking for
1549
01:07:58,742 --> 01:08:02,284
is we hooked up a
vacuum to a filter like this.
1550
01:08:02,369 --> 01:08:05,413
This is a sterile filter
inside of a sterile jar.
1551
01:08:05,456 --> 01:08:08,416
We had a small nozzle coming out
at the end here
1552
01:08:08,501 --> 01:08:11,001
and then we hook a vacuum
to the back end of this
1553
01:08:11,088 --> 01:08:14,797
and we vacuum the tie
including the knot of the tie.
1554
01:08:14,882 --> 01:08:18,342
The tie knot seems like
the most logical place to look.
1555
01:08:18,427 --> 01:08:20,405
The place that would've been
touched the most
1556
01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:21,679
by D.B.Cooper.
1557
01:08:21,765 --> 01:08:24,390
This filter that remains
unopened to this day
1558
01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:27,268
has particles
from D.B.Cooper's tie in it
1559
01:08:27,311 --> 01:08:30,939
but most importantly
it also has cooper's dna in it.
1560
01:08:30,981 --> 01:08:33,483
The thing is there's only
one shot with the dna here.
1561
01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:35,109
I will never see that again.
1562
01:08:35,153 --> 01:08:37,654
It is destroyed in the process
of getting the dna.
1563
01:08:37,738 --> 01:08:39,509
I think that the lab
that's been...
1564
01:08:39,533 --> 01:08:41,698
Appropriated for this job
is a good one
1565
01:08:41,784 --> 01:08:43,118
and they'll do a good job.
1566
01:08:43,161 --> 01:08:44,889
The extent of the job
that they can do
1567
01:08:44,912 --> 01:08:47,287
nobody knows yet,
not even the lab.
1568
01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:50,375
Tom, I wanna thank you
for entrusting us
1569
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:54,796
with this very valuable
D.B.Cooper evidence.
1570
01:08:54,881 --> 01:08:57,215
We're gonna take it,
send it right off to the lab,
1571
01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:59,278
see what they can find out
and I'll get back to you
1572
01:08:59,301 --> 01:09:00,695
with the results
as soon as I have something.
1573
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,280
- Absolutely.
- All right. All right, tom.
1574
01:09:02,305 --> 01:09:03,864
- Let's go get him.
- Thanks. All right.
1575
01:09:04,932 --> 01:09:06,349
While eric waits to send
1576
01:09:06,434 --> 01:09:09,018
the envac tie sample
to a florida lab
1577
01:09:09,104 --> 01:09:11,813
specializing
in older forensics cases.
1578
01:09:11,898 --> 01:09:13,856
Former fbi agent mary jean fryar
1579
01:09:13,942 --> 01:09:17,985
receives an unexpected
call from sheridan.
1580
01:09:18,029 --> 01:09:19,570
When I met
with sheridan peterson,
1581
01:09:19,655 --> 01:09:22,990
I thought it was intriguing
and kind of confusing.
1582
01:09:23,033 --> 01:09:26,327
They evidently found the guy
that made the heist.
1583
01:09:26,412 --> 01:09:27,996
No.
They never caught the guy.
1584
01:09:28,038 --> 01:09:29,497
Uh-huh. They didn't?
1585
01:09:29,541 --> 01:09:31,123
The fbi gave up
on it and closed it.
1586
01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:32,936
- Oh, did they?
- During the interview
1587
01:09:32,961 --> 01:09:34,418
I thought it wasn't him.
1588
01:09:34,503 --> 01:09:38,006
And then when he pulled out
the passports, I said,
1589
01:09:38,048 --> 01:09:40,007
"oh. I think it be might him ."
1590
01:09:40,051 --> 01:09:43,552
so here's kathmandu
in August of '71.
1591
01:09:43,637 --> 01:09:45,012
Now, you didn't have these
1592
01:09:45,055 --> 01:09:47,431
when I interviewed you
way back when.
1593
01:09:47,516 --> 01:09:50,225
There are two faded stamps
for nepal, for kathmandu
1594
01:09:50,311 --> 01:09:55,064
one ended late in 1971
before the hijacking
1595
01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,734
and then the other one
started in April of 1972.
1596
01:09:58,819 --> 01:10:00,672
By the time
the interview was over
1597
01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:03,655
I walked out thinking
"I don't know anymore.
1598
01:10:03,699 --> 01:10:05,617
I'm totally confused."
1599
01:10:05,702 --> 01:10:08,328
probably about a month
after I was up in santa rosa.
1600
01:10:08,371 --> 01:10:10,747
I called sheridan
and I asked him,
1601
01:10:10,832 --> 01:10:12,560
"I thought you were
gonna do the paperwork
1602
01:10:12,583 --> 01:10:15,376
and follow through
with the dna filing."
1603
01:10:15,462 --> 01:10:17,921
and he said, "oh, you told me...
1604
01:10:18,006 --> 01:10:20,381
That I wasn't D.B.Cooper
1605
01:10:20,425 --> 01:10:22,841
and, you know,
I don't think I'm gonna do it."
1606
01:10:22,886 --> 01:10:23,966
and then that was it.
1607
01:10:24,011 --> 01:10:26,136
The conversation ended.
1608
01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:28,890
And I hung up thinking,
"oh, my god.
1609
01:10:28,975 --> 01:10:32,100
Now, that makes me
really suspicious."
1610
01:10:32,186 --> 01:10:35,188
he just wants to keep it
'til he dies
1611
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,024
which is probably
how it's gonna play out.
1612
01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:43,988
Five weeks later, eric
arrives back in california.
1613
01:10:44,073 --> 01:10:46,032
He setup
a video conference meeting
1614
01:10:46,117 --> 01:10:47,951
with a senior analyst at the lab
1615
01:10:48,036 --> 01:10:50,118
comparing D.B.Cooper's dna
1616
01:10:50,204 --> 01:10:52,622
to one of sheridan's daughters.
1617
01:10:52,707 --> 01:10:54,082
If his theory is right
1618
01:10:54,167 --> 01:10:56,583
he may finally learn
the true identity
1619
01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:58,211
of D.B.Cooper.
1620
01:10:58,296 --> 01:11:01,588
When I first embarked
upon this investigation
1621
01:11:01,675 --> 01:11:04,300
I had no idea
where it's gonna take me.
1622
01:11:04,386 --> 01:11:07,679
I had no idea
who I was going to encounter.
1623
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:10,597
Let alone
that I'd find a suspect
1624
01:11:10,641 --> 01:11:13,268
who couldn't be ruled out
by the known facts.
1625
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:16,186
According to sheridan
his second wife
1626
01:11:16,273 --> 01:11:21,609
had passed away in 1977.
1627
01:11:21,653 --> 01:11:24,654
Well, he's lying
about something.
1628
01:11:24,738 --> 01:11:30,033
I've often said that I
believe with 98% certainty
1629
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,328
that sheridan peterson
could be D.B.Cooper.
1630
01:11:33,414 --> 01:11:36,332
But there's always been
that missing two percent.
1631
01:11:36,417 --> 01:11:38,458
Because truthfully,
1632
01:11:38,502 --> 01:11:40,670
I've never been able to find
the smoking gun.
1633
01:11:40,755 --> 01:11:42,838
There's an awful lot riding
1634
01:11:42,923 --> 01:11:44,465
on what the lab comes back with.
1635
01:11:49,139 --> 01:11:51,722
That could break the case
wide open.
1636
01:11:51,807 --> 01:11:54,309
He'll be speaking
to an analyst at the lab
1637
01:11:54,351 --> 01:11:56,144
tasked with testing a sample
1638
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:57,520
taken directly from the tie
1639
01:11:57,604 --> 01:11:59,646
cooper left behind on the plane.
1640
01:11:59,733 --> 01:12:02,317
Should dna be found
within the sample
1641
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:05,778
the results could reopen
a near 50-year-old case
1642
01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:07,822
and confirm eric's suspicions
1643
01:12:07,865 --> 01:12:09,990
about a person of interest.
1644
01:12:10,076 --> 01:12:12,118
How are you?
1645
01:12:12,162 --> 01:12:13,118
I'm good. How are you?
1646
01:12:13,162 --> 01:12:14,328
I'm doing well.
1647
01:12:14,372 --> 01:12:16,171
Well, my name
is samantha wandzek
1648
01:12:16,207 --> 01:12:18,750
and I currently work
at dna labs international,
1649
01:12:18,835 --> 01:12:20,167
we're a private laboratory
1650
01:12:20,252 --> 01:12:21,730
out of deerfield beach
in florida
1651
01:12:21,755 --> 01:12:24,005
and we have clients
in over 40 states.
1652
01:12:24,048 --> 01:12:26,798
So it's very easy to go back
to any cold case
1653
01:12:26,842 --> 01:12:28,509
and find more work to be done.
1654
01:12:28,552 --> 01:12:29,988
So for this case, I was actually
1655
01:12:30,012 --> 01:12:31,261
the reporting analyst for it.
1656
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:33,199
And how did you tackle
this material
1657
01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:35,640
that I sent to you to try
to ascertain whether or not
1658
01:12:35,726 --> 01:12:37,518
there's any dna or not?
1659
01:12:37,604 --> 01:12:39,186
Due to the size of the filter
1660
01:12:39,271 --> 01:12:41,439
we actually cut it out
in teeny-tiny chunks
1661
01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,940
and then sent the whole filter
for extraction.
1662
01:12:44,027 --> 01:12:46,860
That's the first stage
of the dna testing process.
1663
01:12:46,904 --> 01:12:49,322
We then try to determine
how much dna, if any,
1664
01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:50,823
is present in the sample.
1665
01:12:50,867 --> 01:12:52,283
If we have enough dna
1666
01:12:52,368 --> 01:12:54,409
we'll then send it forward
for implication.
1667
01:12:54,496 --> 01:12:56,296
When you have cases
that are old,
1668
01:12:56,331 --> 01:12:58,663
um, typically you'll see
a sample will be degraded.
1669
01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:01,042
That dna is just
gonna break apart over time
1670
01:13:01,086 --> 01:13:04,127
and you're just not gonna have
as much intact dna.
1671
01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:06,963
But I was very surprised
with the results.
1672
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:11,219
So there was dna in the filter?
1673
01:13:11,261 --> 01:13:13,345
We did end up with a profile
1674
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:15,555
from one male individual.
1675
01:13:15,641 --> 01:13:18,184
Is there some way to quantify
like the strength?
1676
01:13:18,228 --> 01:13:19,579
I mean,
is it one of these things
1677
01:13:19,604 --> 01:13:21,686
where one out of a billion
people would...
1678
01:13:21,730 --> 01:13:23,814
Match this particular profile,
1679
01:13:23,899 --> 01:13:25,565
like, how strong is it?
1680
01:13:25,609 --> 01:13:27,109
What can it tell us?
1681
01:13:27,194 --> 01:13:30,195
Typically,
once you have over 20 locations
1682
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,073
you would have to see hundreds,
1683
01:13:32,117 --> 01:13:34,074
thousands,
millions in planet earth,
1684
01:13:34,118 --> 01:13:35,930
that are staying
in current population
1685
01:13:35,953 --> 01:13:38,078
to expect to see
that profile one time.
1686
01:13:38,163 --> 01:13:40,372
So once you have
over those 20 locations
1687
01:13:40,417 --> 01:13:42,166
it usually becomes very rare.
1688
01:13:42,252 --> 01:13:43,917
So what you're telling me
1689
01:13:44,002 --> 01:13:46,878
is that we are
the very first people
1690
01:13:46,922 --> 01:13:50,757
outside of the fbi
to actually have
1691
01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:53,427
D.B.Cooper's dna profile?
1692
01:13:53,512 --> 01:13:56,596
I'm anxious to find out
what that means?
1693
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,268
What can it tell us
in comparison to dna profile
1694
01:14:00,310 --> 01:14:03,520
for one of sheridan peterson's
daughters?
1695
01:14:03,605 --> 01:14:06,106
Does it match?
1696
01:14:08,485 --> 01:14:10,485
She is not
the biological daughter
1697
01:14:10,572 --> 01:14:12,988
of the male donor that we found.
1698
01:14:13,073 --> 01:14:14,448
Wow.
1699
01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:16,177
That's a... that's a...
That's stunning.
1700
01:14:16,202 --> 01:14:19,287
I mean, it's really remarkable
1701
01:14:19,372 --> 01:14:23,416
given everything I know
about this guy.
1702
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:25,710
It's a game changer obviously.
1703
01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:29,463
The one thing that's very
encouraging to me though
1704
01:14:29,506 --> 01:14:32,925
is that we have a very solid
1705
01:14:33,011 --> 01:14:35,970
dna profile from the tie.
1706
01:14:36,014 --> 01:14:39,140
Getting a dna profile
is so important
1707
01:14:39,225 --> 01:14:42,393
because it can provide
assurance to me and others
1708
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,313
that this case
is actually solvable.
1709
01:14:45,398 --> 01:14:48,315
I do very much appreciate
all the effort
1710
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,650
that you folks put into this
1711
01:14:50,694 --> 01:14:52,506
and I'm just very grateful
that we've got
1712
01:14:52,529 --> 01:14:54,988
a solid dna profile
and I'm grateful
1713
01:14:55,073 --> 01:14:56,448
that we have some resolution
1714
01:14:56,533 --> 01:14:58,179
with respect
to sheridan peterson.
1715
01:14:58,203 --> 01:14:59,993
So again, thank you very much
1716
01:15:00,037 --> 01:15:01,453
for your efforts and your time.
1717
01:15:01,497 --> 01:15:02,913
Please feel free to contact me
1718
01:15:02,998 --> 01:15:04,810
with any additional questions
that you have.
1719
01:15:04,833 --> 01:15:05,957
We will do that.
1720
01:15:08,046 --> 01:15:10,837
Now, armed with new
information from the lab.
1721
01:15:10,881 --> 01:15:15,176
Eric calls agent mary jean
fryar to share the results.
1722
01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:19,680
Right now, I wanna
give mary jean a call
1723
01:15:19,765 --> 01:15:23,141
and I wanna let her
know what I have learned.
1724
01:15:23,228 --> 01:15:25,978
Because mary jean
has really helped
1725
01:15:26,021 --> 01:15:27,688
move my investigation forward
1726
01:15:27,731 --> 01:15:29,981
and I'm sure
she's gonna wanna know
1727
01:15:30,068 --> 01:15:33,152
what I've learned about the dna.
1728
01:15:33,238 --> 01:15:34,756
Hey, mary jean.
How are you doing?
1729
01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:37,657
- It's eric ulis calling.
- Hey, there.
1730
01:15:37,699 --> 01:15:40,283
I've got a dna update.
1731
01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:44,247
Finally have some results
from the lab in florida.
1732
01:15:44,332 --> 01:15:49,710
They did come up
with a full dna profile
1733
01:15:49,796 --> 01:15:51,378
and it's from a male.
1734
01:15:51,421 --> 01:15:52,837
I'm getting really excited.
1735
01:15:52,923 --> 01:15:54,840
My stomach is like a knot
1736
01:15:54,926 --> 01:15:57,842
because I'm hoping
that it's him.
1737
01:15:57,886 --> 01:16:03,557
They proved 100% that
the dna does not match.
1738
01:16:03,643 --> 01:16:05,560
Oh, damn.
1739
01:16:05,603 --> 01:16:10,230
Sheridan peterson
is not D.B.Cooper.
1740
01:16:10,274 --> 01:16:12,065
Last conversation
I have with sheridan
1741
01:16:12,109 --> 01:16:15,403
he point blank refused
to go forward with the dna...
1742
01:16:15,445 --> 01:16:16,737
Get the dna results.
1743
01:16:16,823 --> 01:16:18,863
I am absolutely convinced
1744
01:16:18,949 --> 01:16:23,202
that the dna that we
have is D.B.Cooper's dna.
1745
01:16:23,287 --> 01:16:26,037
So if anybody matches
this dna profile
1746
01:16:26,082 --> 01:16:28,082
all 20 points that's your guy.
1747
01:16:28,126 --> 01:16:29,770
There's absolutely no doubt
about it.
1748
01:16:29,793 --> 01:16:31,460
Can we run it in databases
1749
01:16:31,546 --> 01:16:34,588
and find him or is this
a lost cause at this point?
1750
01:16:34,631 --> 01:16:36,716
They actually can utilize it
1751
01:16:36,801 --> 01:16:39,760
to run through the codis system
but of course that involves,
1752
01:16:39,804 --> 01:16:41,886
uh, you know, law enforcement
getting involved,
1753
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:43,617
then the courts
getting involved.
1754
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,432
Eric, I think
what you've done is...
1755
01:16:45,475 --> 01:16:47,059
More than the fbi ever did.
1756
01:16:47,145 --> 01:16:48,935
And I would think this is enough
1757
01:16:48,979 --> 01:16:50,438
that if we need law enforcement
1758
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:52,458
they've got to take
this back and reopen it.
1759
01:16:52,483 --> 01:16:54,108
This is damn good evidence.
1760
01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:56,130
This is better than
I've ever come up with
1761
01:16:56,154 --> 01:16:58,279
and maybe they can actually
solve this case
1762
01:16:58,323 --> 01:17:00,134
- with your help.
- I honestly believe
1763
01:17:00,158 --> 01:17:02,867
we will eventually figure out
who this guy was.
1764
01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:05,619
- Thank you very much.
- Take care.
1765
01:17:05,662 --> 01:17:08,663
After narrowing down
cooper's possible landing site
1766
01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:11,958
and eliminating
an fbi person of interest.
1767
01:17:12,002 --> 01:17:13,586
Eric's even more determined
1768
01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:15,712
to continue his mission.
1769
01:17:15,797 --> 01:17:18,882
I feel very empowered
at the moment.
1770
01:17:18,967 --> 01:17:21,469
I feel more motivated than ever.
1771
01:17:21,511 --> 01:17:24,471
Because having this dna profile
1772
01:17:24,515 --> 01:17:26,931
provides
an outstanding blueprint
1773
01:17:26,975 --> 01:17:30,101
as I continue to pursue
this case.
1774
01:17:30,188 --> 01:17:35,274
I am now actually armed
with precisely what I need
1775
01:17:35,318 --> 01:17:38,444
to determine who D.B.Cooper was
1776
01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:41,488
and more importantly
to prove it.
1777
01:17:41,532 --> 01:17:43,282
Time in the D.B.Cooper case
1778
01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:46,284
has served
as a double edge sword.
1779
01:17:46,328 --> 01:17:47,744
In one sense you have,
1780
01:17:47,829 --> 01:17:49,350
you know, first-hand witnesses
1781
01:17:49,373 --> 01:17:52,166
that pass on and memories fade.
1782
01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:54,167
But in another sense
1783
01:17:54,212 --> 01:17:57,171
we have advances in science
and technology.
1784
01:17:57,256 --> 01:17:59,673
And I think
when all is said and done
1785
01:17:59,759 --> 01:18:02,134
time is going to be our friend
1786
01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:03,886
because I firmly believe
1787
01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:07,347
that this dna profile
is ultimately
1788
01:18:07,432 --> 01:18:10,350
what's gonna break this case
wide open
1789
01:18:10,395 --> 01:18:14,020
and is what is going to solve
this case.
1790
01:18:14,064 --> 01:18:15,355
The identity of d.B.
Cooper
1791
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:18,192
has haunted investigators
for nearly five decades.
1792
01:18:18,235 --> 01:18:21,028
Who is the mysterious hijacker?
1793
01:18:21,072 --> 01:18:24,364
And will we ever finally
discover his true identity?
1794
01:18:24,408 --> 01:18:27,201
I'm laurence fissburne, thank
you for watching
1795
01:18:27,286 --> 01:18:29,662
history's greatest mysteries.
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