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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,712 --> 00:00:06,338 Tonight on history's greatest mysteries: 2 00:00:09,051 --> 00:00:10,342 Ready to find D.B.Cooper? 3 00:00:10,385 --> 00:00:11,634 Do you think that he could be 4 00:00:11,721 --> 00:00:13,345 - D.B.Cooper? - Yeah, I do. 5 00:00:13,430 --> 00:00:15,596 I think I've pinpointed where it is. 6 00:00:15,682 --> 00:00:18,225 This could be our smoking gun. 7 00:00:18,309 --> 00:00:20,602 They've got to take this back and reopen it. 8 00:00:23,231 --> 00:00:26,274 It's a mystery that's confounded law enforcement 9 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:28,027 for 48 years. 10 00:00:31,407 --> 00:00:34,908 On November 24th, 1971, 11 00:00:34,993 --> 00:00:37,869 a man who would become known as D.B.Cooper 12 00:00:37,912 --> 00:00:40,872 hijacks a plane and then jumps out, 13 00:00:40,915 --> 00:00:44,542 taking with him a ransom of $200,000. 14 00:00:46,296 --> 00:00:49,381 I'm laurence fishburne and tonight; 15 00:00:49,424 --> 00:00:53,509 who is D.B.Cooper, and how did he escape? 16 00:00:54,764 --> 00:00:59,600 Neither his identity nor his body has ever been recovered. 17 00:00:59,685 --> 00:01:01,060 It's impossible. 18 00:01:01,896 --> 00:01:02,896 Or is it? 19 00:01:04,105 --> 00:01:06,939 Can investigator eric ulis finally close 20 00:01:07,025 --> 00:01:11,611 the only unsolved skyjacking in us history? 21 00:01:11,697 --> 00:01:13,906 Eric and his team will reexamine 22 00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:16,033 the plane's alleged flight path. 23 00:01:16,117 --> 00:01:19,453 They'll search alternate landing sites for fresh clues 24 00:01:19,537 --> 00:01:22,289 and profile a possible suspect. 25 00:01:23,167 --> 00:01:25,751 Tonight, a search for new answers 26 00:01:25,795 --> 00:01:28,253 to one of history's greatest mysteries. 27 00:01:29,465 --> 00:01:31,882 Who is D.B.Cooper? 28 00:01:50,694 --> 00:01:53,361 D.B.Cooper investigator eric ulis 29 00:01:53,447 --> 00:01:55,614 is on his way to washington state, 30 00:01:55,698 --> 00:01:58,075 but his research and investigation started 31 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:01,578 12 years earlier in arizona. 32 00:02:01,621 --> 00:02:04,540 I've always had a fascination with aviation, 33 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:05,790 which is what I believe 34 00:02:05,834 --> 00:02:07,521 ultimately drew me into the case. 35 00:02:07,545 --> 00:02:10,586 Here was a man who developed a cult-like following 36 00:02:10,673 --> 00:02:12,004 over the years, 37 00:02:12,091 --> 00:02:14,424 despite the fact that nobody really knew 38 00:02:14,467 --> 00:02:16,259 anything about the guy at all. 39 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:19,304 He became a legend overnight. 40 00:02:19,348 --> 00:02:22,390 I think d.B. Is like coolest guy in america. 41 00:02:22,475 --> 00:02:24,100 He did the ultimate crime. 42 00:02:24,186 --> 00:02:26,687 Eventually, I found the case was being hijacked 43 00:02:26,771 --> 00:02:29,647 by conspiracy theories and so forth, 44 00:02:29,692 --> 00:02:31,775 and I just ended up getting sucked in 45 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:34,235 to this D.B.Cooper vortex. 46 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,383 And, ultimately, I decided that I was gonna undertake 47 00:02:36,406 --> 00:02:39,533 an investigation of my own into the case. 48 00:02:39,617 --> 00:02:41,450 Over the years, more than 1,000 suspects 49 00:02:41,495 --> 00:02:42,953 have been scrutinized. 50 00:02:43,038 --> 00:02:45,663 When this case happened in the 1970s, 51 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:48,125 the era of dna was not upon us, 52 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:52,503 and agents really didn't look out to preserve 53 00:02:52,548 --> 00:02:54,548 this evidence in the way that we do now. 54 00:02:54,633 --> 00:02:57,800 In order to identify where the fbi and others 55 00:02:57,844 --> 00:02:59,844 went sideways with this case, 56 00:02:59,889 --> 00:03:02,848 I knew that I was going to have to personally read 57 00:03:02,891 --> 00:03:06,852 all 20,000 pages of redacted fbi files 58 00:03:06,895 --> 00:03:08,520 regarding the case. 59 00:03:08,563 --> 00:03:10,479 Thanks to a freedom of information act 60 00:03:10,524 --> 00:03:13,525 lawsuit filed in 2016, 61 00:03:13,610 --> 00:03:16,194 every few months, the fbi releases files 62 00:03:16,237 --> 00:03:18,697 from the case in chronological order. 63 00:03:18,740 --> 00:03:21,240 This constant drip of new information 64 00:03:21,326 --> 00:03:24,286 and new sources is key to eric's theory 65 00:03:24,371 --> 00:03:28,623 about what really happened on northwest flight 305. 66 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:33,336 The night of the skyjacking, 67 00:03:33,421 --> 00:03:37,257 we know a man boarded northwest orient flight 68 00:03:37,343 --> 00:03:40,009 in portland destined for seattle. 69 00:03:40,094 --> 00:03:43,555 He bought the ticket with a $20 bill at the airport. 70 00:03:43,598 --> 00:03:45,139 There was no id required. 71 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:49,019 And he gave the name dan cooper to the ticket agent. 72 00:03:49,062 --> 00:03:50,395 He would end up taking a seat 73 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:56,067 in the very back row of the jet, 18e to be exact. 74 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:58,277 The flight attendants recall D.B.Cooper 75 00:03:58,364 --> 00:04:00,133 being a guy who is in his mid-40s, 76 00:04:00,157 --> 00:04:03,074 dressed as a business person wearing a black suit, 77 00:04:03,117 --> 00:04:05,534 wearing loafers with a skinny black tie, 78 00:04:05,621 --> 00:04:07,204 and a raincoat. 79 00:04:07,288 --> 00:04:10,081 And he would later put on a pair of dark sunglasses 80 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:13,085 as the jet was about to take off. 81 00:04:13,169 --> 00:04:16,754 By his side, he had a black attache case. 82 00:04:16,798 --> 00:04:19,091 As the plane starts taxiing toward the runway, 83 00:04:19,134 --> 00:04:21,884 D.B.Cooper hands one of the flight attendants, 84 00:04:21,971 --> 00:04:24,721 florence schaffner, a note. 85 00:04:24,764 --> 00:04:28,266 Which says that he has a bomb. 86 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:30,101 Thirty-six passengers got off the jetliner 87 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:31,603 in seattle last night. 88 00:04:31,646 --> 00:04:33,771 Left aboard four crew members and the hijacker, 89 00:04:33,816 --> 00:04:36,858 dressed in a business suit, demanding $200,000 90 00:04:36,944 --> 00:04:39,653 with the full ransom collected from the seattle banks, 91 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:41,279 and four parachutes aboard. 92 00:04:41,365 --> 00:04:42,947 The plane headed for reno. 93 00:04:42,992 --> 00:04:44,783 What many people don't know was that 94 00:04:44,826 --> 00:04:47,411 reno was not the intended destination. 95 00:04:47,495 --> 00:04:50,247 Cooper actually requested that the plane fly 96 00:04:50,331 --> 00:04:52,581 to mexico nonstop. 97 00:04:52,668 --> 00:04:55,252 But the problem is, is that he wanted the jet to fly 98 00:04:55,336 --> 00:04:56,752 with the landing gear down. 99 00:04:56,838 --> 00:04:58,963 He wanted the jet to fly with the flaps down. 100 00:04:59,048 --> 00:05:01,300 He wanted the jet to fly at a very slow speed, 101 00:05:01,384 --> 00:05:04,593 and not fly over 10,000 feet in altitude. 102 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,262 So there was simply no way 103 00:05:06,348 --> 00:05:09,057 that they could fly nonstop to mexico city. 104 00:05:09,143 --> 00:05:11,435 They would need to refuel somewhere. 105 00:05:11,478 --> 00:05:13,144 And they decided reno. 106 00:05:13,187 --> 00:05:14,812 According to eric, 107 00:05:14,898 --> 00:05:18,983 cooper's request to be flown to mexico was a ruse. 108 00:05:19,028 --> 00:05:21,737 Seven minutes after the plane left seattle, 109 00:05:21,822 --> 00:05:24,031 the flight crew received an alert. 110 00:05:24,115 --> 00:05:26,783 The rear airstairs were activated. 111 00:05:26,869 --> 00:05:28,994 The boeing 727 was unique 112 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:31,163 in that it had airstairs that would deploy 113 00:05:31,206 --> 00:05:35,792 from the back bottom of the fuselage. 114 00:05:35,836 --> 00:05:37,502 In fact, it's these air stairs 115 00:05:37,545 --> 00:05:41,505 that the passengers actually boarded the jet with. 116 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:43,175 Roughly 27 minutes 117 00:05:43,259 --> 00:05:45,509 after the airstairs' deployment alert, 118 00:05:45,596 --> 00:05:49,305 the crew experienced a cabin pressure disturbance. 119 00:05:49,391 --> 00:05:54,226 At approximately 8:12 pm, the pilots experienced 120 00:05:54,312 --> 00:05:58,523 what they described as a pressure bump on the plane. 121 00:05:58,567 --> 00:06:01,317 What felt like a popping in the ears. 122 00:06:01,362 --> 00:06:03,362 This pressure bump was created 123 00:06:03,404 --> 00:06:06,615 when d .B. Cooper jumped off the back airstairs 124 00:06:06,699 --> 00:06:09,492 and the airstairs snapped back up 125 00:06:09,536 --> 00:06:11,370 into the bottom of the fuselage. 126 00:06:11,413 --> 00:06:15,206 That bump holds the key to everything. 127 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:16,832 Estimating where and when 128 00:06:16,918 --> 00:06:19,168 that bump took place is key. 129 00:06:19,254 --> 00:06:22,088 It determined the area in which fbi, air force, 130 00:06:22,173 --> 00:06:25,841 and local law enforcement members looked for cooper 131 00:06:25,886 --> 00:06:29,346 in a coordinated ground search that lasted for months. 132 00:06:33,101 --> 00:06:35,519 The fbi never found anything 133 00:06:35,562 --> 00:06:37,771 in their original search area. 134 00:06:37,855 --> 00:06:39,271 And my research indicates 135 00:06:39,358 --> 00:06:41,211 that the reason they came up empty-handed 136 00:06:41,235 --> 00:06:44,778 was because they were actually searching in the wrong place. 137 00:06:44,862 --> 00:06:46,841 Why were they searching in the wrong place? 138 00:06:46,865 --> 00:06:49,031 Because the flight path was off. 139 00:06:49,076 --> 00:06:50,908 Understanding that pressure bump 140 00:06:50,952 --> 00:06:53,911 and identifying the correct search area 141 00:06:53,997 --> 00:06:58,165 will allow us to ask the basic fundamental questions. 142 00:06:59,627 --> 00:07:02,129 To test his theory about the plane's path, 143 00:07:02,213 --> 00:07:04,380 eric is meeting with the person charged 144 00:07:04,425 --> 00:07:06,382 with tracking flight 305 145 00:07:06,427 --> 00:07:08,259 on the night of the hijacking. 146 00:07:08,345 --> 00:07:12,096 The air traffic controller on duty, cliff ammerman. 147 00:07:12,141 --> 00:07:14,266 My name is cliff ammerman. 148 00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:16,286 And, uh, I'm a retired air traffic controller. 149 00:07:16,310 --> 00:07:19,271 I worked at the seattle center air route traffic control 150 00:07:19,314 --> 00:07:22,314 from 1969 till 1998. 151 00:07:22,401 --> 00:07:26,444 Did the fbi or law enforcement at all 152 00:07:26,529 --> 00:07:28,612 ever reach out to you? 153 00:07:28,656 --> 00:07:29,947 Never did. 154 00:07:30,033 --> 00:07:31,636 I never got a request like that at all. 155 00:07:31,660 --> 00:07:34,995 What did you know about 305? 156 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:37,872 I mean, I assume you knew it was a skyjacked jet? 157 00:07:37,957 --> 00:07:39,707 We knew it was a hijacking. 158 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,959 We didn't have a flight plan on it 159 00:07:42,004 --> 00:07:45,004 because nobody knew exactly what the routing was gonna be, 160 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:47,466 so we were told, "just follow him. 161 00:07:47,509 --> 00:07:49,278 Keep everybody else away from him." 162 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:53,096 it became fairly obvious that he was on victor 23. 163 00:07:53,139 --> 00:07:57,433 Victor 23 is one airway in a low-altitude airway structure 164 00:07:57,519 --> 00:07:59,310 that's nationwide. 165 00:07:59,353 --> 00:08:03,105 It's a system of ground-based navigational aids 166 00:08:03,192 --> 00:08:04,774 that pilots can follow, 167 00:08:04,817 --> 00:08:08,778 and it allows them to hold a track over the ground. 168 00:08:08,863 --> 00:08:11,363 Just like when you're on interstate 5 in a car, 169 00:08:11,449 --> 00:08:13,408 victor 23 is a highway in the sky. 170 00:08:13,494 --> 00:08:17,161 The first priority here when tackling this case 171 00:08:17,206 --> 00:08:20,499 is trying to figure out the path that the jet took. 172 00:08:20,542 --> 00:08:24,002 Can you gauge how precisely you could identify 173 00:08:24,086 --> 00:08:26,588 the exact location of flight 305? 174 00:08:26,673 --> 00:08:29,298 Yeah. What I'm looking at is a map 175 00:08:29,384 --> 00:08:31,134 on a video screen. 176 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:33,552 Aircrafts are being presented in 177 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:35,846 what would look to you like an equal sign. 178 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:37,849 And on the leading slash, 179 00:08:37,934 --> 00:08:40,644 the aircraft itself could be anyplace on that line. 180 00:08:40,729 --> 00:08:42,874 So it could be in the center, it might be at the left side 181 00:08:42,898 --> 00:08:45,690 of the line, it might be at the right side. We don't know. 182 00:08:45,734 --> 00:08:47,984 Any idea of roughly what kind of distance 183 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,860 you're looking at there? 184 00:08:49,904 --> 00:08:52,822 I would guess four to five nautical miles long, 185 00:08:52,865 --> 00:08:54,533 that line is. 186 00:08:54,618 --> 00:08:58,036 How do you know that he's actually within victor 23 187 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,370 if you've got sort of that much 188 00:08:59,456 --> 00:09:01,288 - play there? - Sure. Sure. 189 00:09:01,375 --> 00:09:05,293 It's very uncertain just exactly where the airplane was 190 00:09:05,379 --> 00:09:08,964 within that target area that we're seeing. 191 00:09:09,048 --> 00:09:11,716 So, uh, where's the airplane actually? 192 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:14,552 There's quite a bit of variance in there. 193 00:09:14,596 --> 00:09:18,306 Indeed, the jet could have actually been a handful of miles 194 00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:22,394 outside of this victor 23 airway, 195 00:09:22,437 --> 00:09:25,437 and not have been noticed by anyone. 196 00:09:25,524 --> 00:09:28,732 It seems to indicate that the jet indeed took a path 197 00:09:28,777 --> 00:09:30,693 that was more along the western side, 198 00:09:30,736 --> 00:09:33,697 that lines it up with the money find and all that good stuff, 199 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:35,407 that is not at all consistent 200 00:09:35,450 --> 00:09:38,909 with the official version of the flight path. 201 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:41,745 The pilot of northwest 305 also said 202 00:09:41,831 --> 00:09:44,249 that they were not looking far enough west. 203 00:09:45,918 --> 00:09:47,376 Well, that confirms it for me. 204 00:09:47,461 --> 00:09:49,587 - Yeah. - That's an area that 205 00:09:49,630 --> 00:09:52,173 they should have looked, but they didn't look. 206 00:09:56,763 --> 00:09:59,431 Convinced the plane was actually eight miles 207 00:09:59,474 --> 00:10:01,932 west of the original fbi search zone, 208 00:10:02,019 --> 00:10:05,394 eric and his team head up to a remote wilderness refuge 209 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,438 that's never been searched. 210 00:10:07,481 --> 00:10:10,567 They're looking for any evidence of D.B.Cooper, 211 00:10:10,652 --> 00:10:13,986 including possible remains of his parachute. 212 00:10:14,072 --> 00:10:15,466 - Hey. Hey. How's it going? - How's it going? 213 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:17,240 - Eric ulis. - Hey. Ryan. 214 00:10:17,326 --> 00:10:19,743 To maximize the time he'll have on the ground, 215 00:10:19,827 --> 00:10:21,952 eric first takes to the sky 216 00:10:22,038 --> 00:10:24,288 to see how closely his search lines up 217 00:10:24,332 --> 00:10:27,458 with an area known as tina bar. 218 00:10:27,501 --> 00:10:31,754 In 1980, the fbi found important evidence there. 219 00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:34,591 A child has led the fbi to the start of a trail 220 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:36,134 it hopes it'll help them solve 221 00:10:36,177 --> 00:10:38,970 the eight-and-a-half-year-old mystery of skyjacker 222 00:10:39,056 --> 00:10:40,388 D.B.Cooper. 223 00:10:40,474 --> 00:10:42,118 The first break in the only unsolved 224 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:44,975 airplane hijacking in united states history 225 00:10:45,019 --> 00:10:46,394 came on a columbia river beach, 226 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,605 along the oregon-washington border 227 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:49,980 where an eight-year-old boy 228 00:10:50,067 --> 00:10:53,442 dug up the shreds of $3,000 on Sunday. 229 00:10:53,486 --> 00:10:55,570 The money was found about 20 miles 230 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:58,447 from the fbi's original search zone. 231 00:10:58,533 --> 00:11:01,158 Also, it was found about eight or nine miles 232 00:11:01,202 --> 00:11:04,287 against the current along the columbia river. 233 00:11:04,373 --> 00:11:07,123 So there was no possible way 234 00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:09,458 that the money just washed ashore. 235 00:11:09,503 --> 00:11:11,336 The bundles of 20s were found 236 00:11:11,421 --> 00:11:13,962 just below the surface of the sand, 237 00:11:14,006 --> 00:11:15,798 neatly stacked upon each other 238 00:11:15,884 --> 00:11:19,134 with the original rubber band still intact. 239 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:20,970 So by all appearances, 240 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:23,972 it looks like somebody actually buried 241 00:11:24,058 --> 00:11:27,476 those three packets of 20s. 242 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,312 Since it's impossible to know the precise 243 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:32,710 altitude at which cooper pulled his parachute ripcord, 244 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:37,153 eric plans to search a wide area the fbi missed. 245 00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:43,158 The first is an island a few miles north of tina bar. 246 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:03,221 The second zone is an extended meadow 247 00:12:03,264 --> 00:12:07,892 along the tree line on the west side of the train tracks. 248 00:12:07,936 --> 00:12:09,561 If cooper landed there, 249 00:12:09,604 --> 00:12:11,895 eric believes he could have walked south 250 00:12:11,981 --> 00:12:13,355 along these train tracks 251 00:12:13,442 --> 00:12:15,232 crossing over from the mainland 252 00:12:15,317 --> 00:12:18,360 at the river s bridge to tina bar. 253 00:12:18,404 --> 00:12:21,697 Eric thinks cooper might have buried the ransom here 254 00:12:21,783 --> 00:12:24,701 temporarily, and then fled. 255 00:12:24,786 --> 00:12:27,245 The third zone, private properties 256 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:29,538 across from the refuge provide access 257 00:12:29,624 --> 00:12:31,582 to a large untouched ravine 258 00:12:31,668 --> 00:12:35,086 which could have given perfect cover for D.B.Cooper. 259 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:39,883 Part of what has guided me 260 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:42,760 to these three specific search areas 261 00:12:42,803 --> 00:12:45,929 is that they're pristine and largely untouched 262 00:12:46,015 --> 00:12:48,224 in the last 50 years. 263 00:12:48,309 --> 00:12:50,100 Eric ulis. Good to meet you. 264 00:12:51,812 --> 00:12:53,605 I'm thinking about, you know, 265 00:12:53,690 --> 00:12:55,565 the 12 years of research 266 00:12:55,649 --> 00:12:58,275 I have put into this case. 267 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,047 This is what I have been waiting for, 268 00:13:00,071 --> 00:13:04,657 the opportunity to actually get boots on the ground 269 00:13:04,743 --> 00:13:06,116 and dig through the brush 270 00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:08,870 and look for those missing parachutes, 271 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:12,539 look for any sign of D.B.Cooper. 272 00:13:16,379 --> 00:13:18,086 Eric ulis has investigated 273 00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:21,048 the D.B.Cooper case for 12 years. 274 00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:23,342 The pilot of northwest 305 275 00:13:23,427 --> 00:13:25,970 also said that they were not looking far enough west. 276 00:13:26,056 --> 00:13:28,306 Convinced the fbi misjudged 277 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:30,190 the hijacked plane's flight path, 278 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:33,144 eric's assembled a team to look for new evidence. 279 00:13:33,187 --> 00:13:37,148 They hope to find something to reopen this cold case. 280 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,610 Hey. 281 00:13:40,695 --> 00:13:42,070 Hey, you guys. How you doing? 282 00:13:42,154 --> 00:13:43,947 Alex gall with archeological services. 283 00:13:44,032 --> 00:13:47,158 This area was home to thousands of native american's villages. 284 00:13:47,244 --> 00:13:48,701 So in order for the project 285 00:13:48,787 --> 00:13:50,681 to have special access to the refuge, 286 00:13:50,705 --> 00:13:52,956 it needed an archeologist to join the project, 287 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,500 and, uh, that archeologist is me. 288 00:13:55,543 --> 00:13:58,461 Given the terrain, it's gonna be, uh... 289 00:13:58,504 --> 00:13:59,879 Require a lot of luck. 290 00:13:59,965 --> 00:14:02,005 Accompanying eric on his mission, 291 00:14:02,049 --> 00:14:04,133 geophysicist, colin miazga, 292 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,344 who will help examine any ground disturbance 293 00:14:06,388 --> 00:14:10,181 or man-made materials left behind by the skyjacker. 294 00:14:10,225 --> 00:14:11,975 With my geoscience background, 295 00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:14,852 you look for man-made objects. 296 00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:17,397 In this case though, there's a very small object 297 00:14:17,481 --> 00:14:20,149 in a very big area, so it's incredibly challenging. 298 00:14:20,235 --> 00:14:22,693 There's just so much ground to cover, 299 00:14:22,736 --> 00:14:25,864 and the only real best way to do that 300 00:14:25,907 --> 00:14:28,490 is by physically walking over the area. 301 00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:31,326 Who wouldn't wanna be the person responsible for solving, 302 00:14:31,413 --> 00:14:34,205 uh, a 50-year-old case that the fbi gave up on, 303 00:14:34,249 --> 00:14:35,498 essentially? 304 00:14:35,584 --> 00:14:37,040 He's also enlisted the help of 305 00:14:37,085 --> 00:14:39,043 local search and rescue volunteers, 306 00:14:39,086 --> 00:14:41,546 jason cole and barry wells. 307 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:44,381 Both have a vast knowledge of the area. 308 00:14:44,426 --> 00:14:46,049 I was here when the event happened, 309 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:48,197 and there was a lot of theories going around. 310 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:49,678 So, today, what we're gonna be doing 311 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:51,221 is getting on the boats. 312 00:14:51,265 --> 00:14:53,159 We're gonna be traveling along the lake river 313 00:14:53,183 --> 00:14:54,350 up to the columbia river. 314 00:14:54,394 --> 00:14:55,913 Then once we're on the columbia river, 315 00:14:55,937 --> 00:14:58,020 we're gonna go upstream a little bit. 316 00:14:58,063 --> 00:14:59,417 This area we're talking about here 317 00:14:59,441 --> 00:15:01,001 was not part of the original search area. 318 00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:03,567 And obviously, the fact that it's a refuge as well 319 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:05,360 and is off-limits to people, 320 00:15:05,404 --> 00:15:06,696 - essentially... - Yeah. 321 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:08,114 Provides a real opportunity 322 00:15:08,198 --> 00:15:10,094 where the stuff would have never been found. 323 00:15:10,118 --> 00:15:11,868 Ready to find D.B.Cooper? 324 00:15:11,952 --> 00:15:13,702 With restrictions in place 325 00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:15,078 to protect the local wildlife, 326 00:15:15,123 --> 00:15:17,539 eric and his team must also contact 327 00:15:17,583 --> 00:15:19,250 the state environmental expert 328 00:15:19,336 --> 00:15:22,711 before they can begin their search on the island. 329 00:15:22,797 --> 00:15:25,506 Hey, brent. How you doing? Um... Good, eric. 330 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:26,924 We'll work our way north, 331 00:15:26,967 --> 00:15:28,821 see if we can actually get over to where you are 332 00:15:28,845 --> 00:15:31,428 because I think the refuge is where we wanna start 333 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:33,181 versus the dnr land. 334 00:15:33,265 --> 00:15:34,599 - And then we'll, uh... - Right. 335 00:15:34,683 --> 00:15:36,600 We'll go from there. 336 00:15:36,686 --> 00:15:39,604 Let's get these guys over on this shoreline here. 337 00:15:39,648 --> 00:15:42,440 - Landfall, here we go. - Right now, we're on, uh, 338 00:15:42,484 --> 00:15:44,942 washington department of natural resources land. 339 00:15:45,028 --> 00:15:47,736 And basically at the tree line there 340 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:50,114 is where the wildlife refuge starts. 341 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,951 They'll be limited in the tools they can use, 342 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:54,913 and are forbidden to dig anything up 343 00:15:54,995 --> 00:15:58,121 or remove any evidence from the refuge. 344 00:15:58,165 --> 00:16:00,958 If you wanna go over some of these, uh, 345 00:16:01,043 --> 00:16:03,794 - maps that I pulled. - This is 1970. 346 00:16:03,837 --> 00:16:05,462 So this '70. 347 00:16:06,674 --> 00:16:08,924 Compared to now, the footprint... 348 00:16:09,009 --> 00:16:10,759 It's pretty... It looks pretty stable. 349 00:16:10,845 --> 00:16:12,803 Looks pretty consistent. 350 00:16:12,846 --> 00:16:14,138 So the only... the only thing 351 00:16:14,224 --> 00:16:17,307 that might give us a little pause 352 00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:19,977 is the 1996 aerial. 353 00:16:20,020 --> 00:16:22,647 I know there was quite a bit of flooding in '96. 354 00:16:22,731 --> 00:16:25,441 So it looks like to me that this area here 355 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:26,985 is actually under water. 356 00:16:27,028 --> 00:16:28,778 In 1996, there was actually 357 00:16:28,863 --> 00:16:32,990 a very big flood in the area. 358 00:16:33,033 --> 00:16:35,618 In reality, if the parachutes were in that area, 359 00:16:35,703 --> 00:16:38,830 they could have easily been swept out to the columbia river 360 00:16:38,914 --> 00:16:41,124 and out to the pacific ocean. 361 00:16:41,167 --> 00:16:42,834 I believe that the parachutes 362 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:45,293 were placed a little bit farther inland 363 00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,922 which wasn't affected nearly as much. 364 00:16:48,008 --> 00:16:49,693 So you said the parachute was white and the... 365 00:16:49,717 --> 00:16:51,091 The parachute itself was white. 366 00:16:51,177 --> 00:16:52,904 And the pack was green? - That's correct. 367 00:16:52,928 --> 00:16:54,240 Always helps me to know what colors to be looking for. 368 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:56,179 It's dark green. Yeah. Yeah. 369 00:16:56,265 --> 00:16:58,182 Eric's team is looking for D.B.Cooper's 370 00:16:58,268 --> 00:17:01,351 missing parachutes and other evidence, 371 00:17:01,395 --> 00:17:03,145 including his attache case, 372 00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:06,148 ransom notes, or unrecovered money. 373 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:08,317 They must notify local authorities 374 00:17:08,403 --> 00:17:12,864 and the fbi immediately if they find anything. 375 00:17:12,906 --> 00:17:14,719 But eric's search permit for the refuge 376 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:17,367 is limited and will expire. 377 00:17:17,453 --> 00:17:19,578 We'll just start working off from this direction 378 00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:21,038 and work our way through. 379 00:17:24,001 --> 00:17:25,542 - A little bit of rain. - Today. 380 00:17:25,627 --> 00:17:27,377 Until end of day and tomorrow. 381 00:17:27,422 --> 00:17:29,547 I think we got to go a little farther down 382 00:17:29,632 --> 00:17:32,340 to the open field basically. 383 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:33,718 I was surprised... or is. 384 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:35,927 At how he was dressed as businessman. 385 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:37,387 You bring up a great point 386 00:17:37,473 --> 00:17:39,848 because a lot of people said, you know, 387 00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:41,893 "who in their right mind would jump 388 00:17:41,978 --> 00:17:44,479 into the middle of the woods wearing, uh, loafers 389 00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:46,124 - and a... and a tie." - Uh-hmm. Uh-hmm. 390 00:17:46,148 --> 00:17:48,732 And I've always argued, nobody. 391 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:53,195 I believe that the evidence clearly shows 392 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,239 that D.B.Cooper intended to jump 393 00:17:55,325 --> 00:17:58,701 initially in the outskirts of seattle. 394 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:00,368 After the skyjacking, 395 00:18:00,454 --> 00:18:02,121 flight attendant, tina mucklow, 396 00:18:02,207 --> 00:18:04,007 told authorities that D.B.Cooper 397 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:07,085 was visibly frustrated and complained to her 398 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:09,545 about how the money was delivered. 399 00:18:09,588 --> 00:18:12,589 He, uh, made me feel very sure 400 00:18:12,634 --> 00:18:15,384 that, uh, we had a very real 401 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:17,260 and horrifying threat. 402 00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:19,680 When the money showed up, it was not in a knapsack 403 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:20,722 as he requested. 404 00:18:20,767 --> 00:18:24,477 It was actually just delivered in a white open-top 405 00:18:24,561 --> 00:18:26,436 canvas bank bag. 406 00:18:26,522 --> 00:18:28,375 It didn't have any zippers, didn't have any snaps, 407 00:18:28,398 --> 00:18:30,044 didn't even have a handle on it. 408 00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:32,109 Cooper needed to figure out a way 409 00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:35,070 to secure the top of that bank bag. 410 00:18:35,155 --> 00:18:37,573 If he didn't, the force of the free fall 411 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:39,241 would have immediately ejected 412 00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:41,786 all of the cash out of that bag. 413 00:18:41,829 --> 00:18:45,539 It was also reported by copilot, bill rataczek, 414 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,209 that cooper had difficulties lowering the airstairs. 415 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:50,480 He called us on the interphone and requested that, uh, 416 00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:51,856 he was having trouble with the stairs. 417 00:18:51,881 --> 00:18:53,422 "I can't get the stairs down." 418 00:18:53,508 --> 00:18:55,633 eric believes these delays forced cooper 419 00:18:55,718 --> 00:18:57,425 to jump into rougher terrain 420 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,136 than originally planned. 421 00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:00,805 I think that's really ground zero, 422 00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:02,472 - as far as... - Yeah. 423 00:19:02,558 --> 00:19:04,036 Searching for the d .B. Cooper's parachutes 424 00:19:04,059 --> 00:19:05,643 if he landed in this area. 425 00:19:05,728 --> 00:19:08,270 And basically we need to start right around here 426 00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:09,541 where these thicker bushes are, 427 00:19:09,566 --> 00:19:12,983 but start working our way down 428 00:19:13,027 --> 00:19:14,109 around to the south. 429 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:15,653 Along the edges? 430 00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:17,821 To ensure a thorough ground search, 431 00:19:17,865 --> 00:19:20,282 the team walks at arm's length from each other, 432 00:19:20,367 --> 00:19:23,161 searching in a traditional grid pattern. 433 00:19:23,203 --> 00:19:24,203 Let's move. 434 00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:31,169 Uh, looks like a un-penetrable wall back there, 435 00:19:31,211 --> 00:19:33,753 so I'm not even gonna try that. 436 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:36,840 It's pretty thick in front of us here. 437 00:19:36,884 --> 00:19:38,009 This stuff is brutal. 438 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:39,301 Oh. 439 00:19:40,471 --> 00:19:42,346 Yikes. 440 00:19:42,432 --> 00:19:43,681 Yeah. 441 00:19:43,766 --> 00:19:46,224 That looks prime spot to dump a parachute. 442 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:47,768 Exactly. 443 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,686 Eric believes cooper left his parachute 444 00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:53,191 behind wherever he landed. 445 00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:56,152 All the soil around here is pretty packed clay. 446 00:19:56,237 --> 00:19:57,517 Um, there's no way he's digging 447 00:19:57,572 --> 00:19:59,989 more than whatever he could kick with his boot. 448 00:20:00,074 --> 00:20:02,950 Right. And it's dark too, - right? - Yeah. 449 00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:04,221 So he couldn't get too far in there. 450 00:20:04,244 --> 00:20:05,368 No. 451 00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:08,205 Although the parachute may have deteriorated, 452 00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:11,416 metallic and nylon material could have survived. 453 00:20:11,501 --> 00:20:13,711 - Alex found some, uh... - Let's check it out. 454 00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:15,732 It's really the first sign of human activity 455 00:20:15,757 --> 00:20:18,048 I've seen in here. 456 00:20:18,092 --> 00:20:19,008 Oh, yeah. 457 00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,384 This could be promising. 458 00:20:23,932 --> 00:20:25,890 Searching on federally-protected land 459 00:20:25,974 --> 00:20:29,518 on an island along the washington-oregon border, 460 00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:31,061 investigator, eric ulis, 461 00:20:31,105 --> 00:20:33,230 and his team make what they hope 462 00:20:33,273 --> 00:20:35,232 is a significant discovery. 463 00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:38,756 - Alex found some, uh... - Let's check it out. 464 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:41,072 It's really the first sign of human activity 465 00:20:41,115 --> 00:20:43,406 I've seen in here. 466 00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:44,451 Oh, yeah. 467 00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:45,910 This could be promising. 468 00:20:45,953 --> 00:20:47,472 Uh, I don't know anything about parachutes 469 00:20:47,497 --> 00:20:49,057 - and the kinds of... - yeah. 470 00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:51,539 Shroud lines they would use. 471 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,045 The problem is the color of the shroud lines 472 00:20:56,130 --> 00:21:00,883 were, uh, either white or light pink. 473 00:21:00,926 --> 00:21:03,719 And so that would not be part of... okay. 474 00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:05,596 D.B.Cooper's parachute. 475 00:21:05,682 --> 00:21:07,390 This area is clear. 476 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,898 After 10 grueling hours, 477 00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:19,943 the team ends the search for the day. 478 00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:25,074 With the restrictions that we have from the refuge, 479 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:26,357 limiting the number of people 480 00:21:26,411 --> 00:21:28,411 that we can actually search with, 481 00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:31,788 and seeing how vast this area is, 482 00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:33,915 and how dense the growth is 483 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,584 that we have to fight through, 484 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:39,963 it just made me realize how difficult this search 485 00:21:40,048 --> 00:21:41,298 is actually going to be. 486 00:21:46,138 --> 00:21:48,306 With only a few days remaining to search 487 00:21:48,348 --> 00:21:50,807 what he believes is the landing area, 488 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:54,103 eric reviews the mystery of D.B.Cooper. 489 00:21:54,188 --> 00:21:55,980 There are really two parts 490 00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:57,815 to the d.B. Copper mystery. 491 00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:01,318 There's the part that relates to what actually happened... 492 00:22:01,362 --> 00:22:02,819 All these years later, 493 00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:04,989 they're still looking for D.B.Cooper. 494 00:22:05,074 --> 00:22:07,490 Everything fbi special agent larry carr 495 00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:10,994 has on cooper fits in one battered box, 496 00:22:11,038 --> 00:22:13,497 mostly what cooper left on the plane. 497 00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:15,333 And there is this other part 498 00:22:15,417 --> 00:22:18,126 that relates to who the guy actually was. 499 00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:19,545 D.B.Cooper came from someone. 500 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:21,005 He came from somewhere. 501 00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:23,067 You know, he just didn't miracle himself here. 502 00:22:23,092 --> 00:22:27,845 Uh, and so, uh, someone has information. 503 00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:30,013 During the 45 years that D.B.Cooper's 504 00:22:30,098 --> 00:22:32,057 skyjacking case remained open, 505 00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,852 the fbi investigated more than a thousand 506 00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:36,854 possible suspects. 507 00:22:36,939 --> 00:22:39,522 Some simply matched the crime sketch. 508 00:22:39,567 --> 00:22:42,692 Others confessed on their death beds. 509 00:22:42,778 --> 00:22:45,695 Hospitalized here in florida with kidney disease, 510 00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:48,490 duane weber motioned to his wife to come close. 511 00:22:48,534 --> 00:22:51,618 He says I have a secret to tell you. 512 00:22:51,703 --> 00:22:52,787 I said, "what?" 513 00:22:52,872 --> 00:22:55,247 he says, "I'm dan cooper." 514 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,708 Even a woman was investigated, 515 00:22:57,794 --> 00:22:59,710 pilot barbara dayton. 516 00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:02,380 Eric's determined to provide a definitive answer 517 00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:04,382 about one person of interest, 518 00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:07,218 a man dna-tested in 2003 519 00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:09,345 but never publicly eliminated. 520 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:13,516 Eric believes this man could be D.B.Cooper. 521 00:23:13,558 --> 00:23:16,684 His name is sheridan peterson. 522 00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:18,770 He actually became a suspect 523 00:23:18,855 --> 00:23:22,357 within one week of the skyjacking. 524 00:23:22,402 --> 00:23:25,403 However, it wasn't even until 2003, 525 00:23:25,445 --> 00:23:28,571 the fbi was actually able to interview him. 526 00:23:28,615 --> 00:23:33,952 That fbi agent was a woman named mary jean fryar. 527 00:23:34,038 --> 00:23:37,248 And what she told me when I first reached out to her 528 00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:40,917 has completely changed the trajectory in my case. 529 00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:42,044 I'm mary jean fryar. 530 00:23:42,087 --> 00:23:43,586 I'm a special agent with the fbi 531 00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:46,089 from 1985 to 2006. 532 00:23:46,174 --> 00:23:49,093 In 2003, I received, uh, 533 00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:51,073 a communication from the seattle office 534 00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:54,890 to locate and interview sheridan peterson 535 00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:57,058 who was residing in santa rosa 536 00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,438 and obtain a voluntary dna sample. 537 00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:03,606 In late 2007, the fbi announced 538 00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:06,777 that they had a partial dna profile 539 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:10,448 that they've got from D.B.Cooper's clip-on tie. 540 00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:12,950 This is the tie we got the dna from. 541 00:24:12,993 --> 00:24:16,327 This could explain why the fbi had mary jean fryar 542 00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:19,623 obtain a dna sample from sheridan peterson 543 00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:22,792 to compare it against the partial dna profile. 544 00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:25,462 When I met with sheridan peterson in 2003, 545 00:24:25,548 --> 00:24:28,298 it was special because it was a historic case. 546 00:24:28,384 --> 00:24:31,384 During my training at the fbi academy, 547 00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:33,270 we had instructors that came in 548 00:24:33,346 --> 00:24:34,805 and, uh, talked about it. 549 00:24:34,891 --> 00:24:37,641 Sheridan's alibi, since I talked to him in 2003, 550 00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:39,644 was always that he was present in nepal 551 00:24:39,686 --> 00:24:40,978 for his children's birth. 552 00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:42,499 He was saying he wasn't in the country 553 00:24:42,522 --> 00:24:44,375 so he couldn't have been D.B.Cooper. 554 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,317 He did show me his birth certificates of his kids, 555 00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:49,338 but his wife could have very easily given birth 556 00:24:49,363 --> 00:24:50,445 without him there. 557 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:52,823 Sheridan worked in the department 558 00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:55,784 that literally wrote the flight manual 559 00:24:55,869 --> 00:24:58,162 for the boeing 727 jet. 560 00:24:58,205 --> 00:25:00,955 He worked as a smokejumper in montana. 561 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000 He's an expert skydiver. 562 00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:05,586 He's a former boeing employee. 563 00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:09,839 Then in 1966, sheridan found himself in vietnam 564 00:25:09,884 --> 00:25:14,803 working as a refugee adviser until August of 1970 565 00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:17,263 when he and his wife moved to nepal. 566 00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:20,683 There is nothing that sheridan can point to 567 00:25:20,728 --> 00:25:24,230 that proves unequivocally that he was in nepal 568 00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:27,191 at the time that the skyjacking took place, 569 00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:29,817 with the exception of the second wife. 570 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:32,695 The problem is, according to sheridan, 571 00:25:32,781 --> 00:25:36,325 his second wife died in 1977. 572 00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:41,413 Sheridan peterson was interviewed for a program 573 00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:43,540 related to D.B.Cooper, 574 00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:46,042 and there are some inconsistencies in there. 575 00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:49,547 There are things that he stated that just don't add up. 576 00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:51,430 There are two things that I found 577 00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,759 that could rule sheridan out as a suspect. 578 00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:56,720 There's some discrepancy with respect to eye color. 579 00:25:56,763 --> 00:25:59,722 Specifically, sheridan has blue eyes, 580 00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:04,060 and the fbi's very first description of D.B.Cooper 581 00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:06,564 had him having brown eyes. 582 00:26:06,606 --> 00:26:09,775 However, very quickly after they put up 583 00:26:09,859 --> 00:26:12,027 the initial description for D.B.Cooper, 584 00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:14,488 the fbi updated the description 585 00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:15,864 and described D.B.Cooper 586 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:19,159 as possibly having brown eyes. 587 00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:22,078 The second being, we know that D.B.Cooper 588 00:26:22,163 --> 00:26:23,538 definitely smoked cigarettes. 589 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:25,708 In fact, he smoked eight cigarettes 590 00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:27,417 during the skyjacking. 591 00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:30,753 I have never been able to prove that sheridan peterson 592 00:26:30,798 --> 00:26:32,381 was ever a smoker. 593 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:34,340 Eric's asked mary jean 594 00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:37,344 to help secure an interview with sheridan. 595 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:41,097 Her goal, get him to request his dna test results. 596 00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:46,769 Now, we can't use dna to prove that he was D.B.Cooper 597 00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:49,230 because the profile that the fbi has 598 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:52,776 is only a partial dna profile. 599 00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:54,944 But if we can get sheridan peterson 600 00:26:54,989 --> 00:26:56,029 to actually request 601 00:26:56,115 --> 00:27:00,409 to get his dna comparison results from the fbi, 602 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,327 we may actually be able to prove 603 00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:06,289 definitively that he wasn't d .B. Cooper. 604 00:27:18,346 --> 00:27:19,595 Back on the refuge, 605 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,805 eric ulis and his team of investigators 606 00:27:21,848 --> 00:27:24,016 continue their hunt. 607 00:27:24,101 --> 00:27:26,644 Yesterday, they searched a remote island. 608 00:27:26,686 --> 00:27:30,564 Today, they're searching an extended meadow area. 609 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:33,400 None of this land has been searched before 610 00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:36,153 because the fbi used a different flight path 611 00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:39,615 to calculate its search area in 1971. 612 00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:41,325 If eric can find any evidence 613 00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:43,117 that D.B.Cooper landed here, 614 00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,328 it might lead to finally identifying 615 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:46,997 the skyjacker. 616 00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:50,459 All right. So, uh, today, 617 00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:52,169 uh, we're continuing the search 618 00:27:52,212 --> 00:27:54,046 for the missing parachutes. 619 00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:57,965 We've got our survivalist with us as well, dan. 620 00:27:58,051 --> 00:27:59,811 I'm dan baird. I'm a backcountry 621 00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:01,303 guidance survival expert. 622 00:28:01,346 --> 00:28:03,931 I'm not an expert on D.B.Cooper himself, 623 00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:06,432 but to me, it seems like it's a survival situation. 624 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:07,788 I'm looking forward to the search, 625 00:28:07,811 --> 00:28:09,185 this is gonna be awesome. 626 00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:12,189 There are several copycat jumps that took place 627 00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:14,023 after cooper's jump. 628 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:17,361 Every single person who did it survived. 629 00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:21,699 Although every copycat jumper survived, 630 00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:24,367 none of them got away with the crime. 631 00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:27,871 Most notable, a man named richard floyd mccoy 632 00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:29,914 who, in 1972, remained free 633 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,501 for two days before being arrested. 634 00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:34,836 It seems that the real challenge 635 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,047 comes once he hits the ground, 636 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:39,048 how he gets out of the area. 637 00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:44,721 Were these tracks in place at that time? 638 00:28:44,807 --> 00:28:47,557 - Yes, they were. - Yeah, they were. Yup. 639 00:28:47,643 --> 00:28:51,603 We're on top of the bnsf railway tracks. 640 00:28:51,689 --> 00:28:53,730 If D.B.Cooper landed in this area, 641 00:28:53,816 --> 00:28:56,733 the railroad tracks provide a perfect corridor 642 00:28:56,777 --> 00:28:59,361 that he could've used to get to tena bar 643 00:28:59,447 --> 00:29:01,195 where the money was found. 644 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,823 Do you ever think of looking into 645 00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:04,635 what the train schedule was like that night? 646 00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:06,910 If he landed, started walking for 20 minutes, 647 00:29:06,996 --> 00:29:09,579 half hour, I'm sure the train would've gone by. 648 00:29:09,664 --> 00:29:11,414 There was a railroad conductor 649 00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:13,419 who was driving down the tracks that night 650 00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:16,586 who actually did report to the fbi 651 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,047 that there was somebody on the tracks. 652 00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:21,258 And it's important to remember 653 00:29:21,343 --> 00:29:23,154 that as the conductor was bringing this 654 00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,721 to the attention of the fbi, 655 00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:27,263 the fbi actually thinks 656 00:29:27,307 --> 00:29:29,391 that D.B.Cooper landed six, 657 00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:31,809 or seven, or eight miles east 658 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:33,103 of the railroad tracks. 659 00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:37,775 Today, we're gonna be doing half of the meadow, 660 00:29:37,859 --> 00:29:39,796 because there's just too much territory 661 00:29:39,819 --> 00:29:40,986 to cover in one day. 662 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:42,840 Tomorrow, we'll deal with the other half. 663 00:29:42,865 --> 00:29:45,615 That said, the search starts right here. 664 00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:47,742 There's gonna be four of us that really have to work 665 00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:49,869 as the actual line searchers. 666 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,236 These guys are gonna be a little bit more independent. 667 00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:56,250 I'll look along the edge here a bit. 668 00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:57,795 That's due north. 669 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,297 We need to work our way and go further north. 670 00:30:00,382 --> 00:30:01,964 It's more of like a pinpoint 671 00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:03,319 - so then it'll open up... - Yeah. 672 00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:04,801 It'll make it really sensitive 673 00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,490 - so you pick up everything. - Your receiver, yeah. 674 00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:08,325 And then you can kind of do your crisscross... 675 00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:09,992 And if I left it on that, it would be like, woo. 676 00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:12,142 - Exactly. - It's messed up. Okay. 677 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,311 Somebody landing in some place like this 678 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,815 in the middle of this thicket, that would be pretty brutal. 679 00:30:17,857 --> 00:30:19,211 I mean, I just don't see how you land 680 00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:22,819 in something like this without getting injured. 681 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,821 On the night D.B.Cooper jumped, 682 00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:27,825 moderate wind gust upwards of 11 miles per hour 683 00:30:27,867 --> 00:30:29,451 were reported on the ground 684 00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:31,828 with sporadic rainfall. 685 00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:34,455 When cooper hit land, he would've experienced 686 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:38,125 ground temperatures dropping into the 30s. 687 00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:39,502 It's so swampy right here. 688 00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:44,967 Is it dry over there, jason, or... 689 00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:46,844 Yeah, if you come around the north side, 690 00:30:46,886 --> 00:30:49,596 follow the grass. 691 00:30:52,393 --> 00:30:54,476 Can I go forward and back a little bit? 692 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:58,855 This could be promising. 693 00:30:58,898 --> 00:30:59,898 Found it. 694 00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:05,237 Yeah, if you come around the north side, 695 00:31:05,321 --> 00:31:06,696 follow the grass. 696 00:31:06,781 --> 00:31:08,740 Eric ulis and his search team 697 00:31:08,826 --> 00:31:10,741 are in a protected wildlife refuge 698 00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:12,702 in southwest washington, 699 00:31:12,746 --> 00:31:15,372 searching for evidence that D.B.Cooper 700 00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:17,124 landed here. 701 00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:19,542 Halfway through searching a large meadow area, 702 00:31:19,627 --> 00:31:22,211 they uncover something that could be connected 703 00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:23,881 with this unsolved myself. 704 00:31:23,923 --> 00:31:25,965 I think I pinpointed where it is. 705 00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:29,886 Cooper's nb6 parachute had stainless steel parts. 706 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:31,407 Just, uh, this must've been an old... 707 00:31:31,432 --> 00:31:33,265 So a hit on the metal detector 708 00:31:33,349 --> 00:31:36,101 is encouraging news. 709 00:31:36,185 --> 00:31:37,894 Yeah, looks about it. 710 00:31:37,938 --> 00:31:39,499 It's either two separate objects 711 00:31:39,522 --> 00:31:42,398 or one slightly stretched out 712 00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:44,128 like the backpack I think would be. 713 00:31:44,153 --> 00:31:46,778 All right. We got something on the ground. 714 00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,279 Wow. So what does that mean 715 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,782 as far as, uh, the size of the piece? 716 00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:56,038 With any metal detection, it's hard to get size 717 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,580 until you start digging it up 718 00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:00,291 because you could have something really small 719 00:32:00,376 --> 00:32:02,355 that's really conductive right at surface 720 00:32:02,378 --> 00:32:05,422 and that's gonna give you a really solid response. 721 00:32:05,507 --> 00:32:07,318 But if you have something larger 722 00:32:07,343 --> 00:32:09,403 that... that's at depth, it could actually give you a... 723 00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:11,228 It'll give you a smaller response. 724 00:32:11,262 --> 00:32:13,931 And so it's just how close the object is to the sensors. 725 00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:15,557 Although the metal detector 726 00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:17,726 registered a strong hit, 727 00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:20,645 the size of the object, how conductive it is 728 00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:22,500 and how close it is to the surface, 729 00:32:22,523 --> 00:32:26,151 can all influence the strength of the signal. 730 00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:27,443 It seems really pinpointed 731 00:32:27,488 --> 00:32:30,821 at that little soft spot right there. 732 00:32:30,907 --> 00:32:32,365 I mean, that's a robust signal. 733 00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:34,490 I mean, clearly, there's something down there. 734 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,832 Well then maybe... Oh, there we are. 735 00:32:40,917 --> 00:32:44,001 - Oh, wire. - A wire. 736 00:32:44,087 --> 00:32:45,671 What kind of wire though? 737 00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:48,632 Parachute pull cord? 738 00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:51,676 So the wire has to stay on the ground, so... 739 00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:52,844 Let me... let me try to see 740 00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:54,156 if I got cell service in here. 741 00:32:54,181 --> 00:32:56,097 I'll give mark a really quick call. 742 00:32:57,308 --> 00:33:00,852 Mark meltzer is an expert skydiver. 743 00:33:00,938 --> 00:33:04,146 He's gonna know this parachute inside and out. 744 00:33:04,191 --> 00:33:06,900 So, he's the perfect person to reach out to 745 00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:10,612 to see if he recognizes this piece of wire 746 00:33:10,698 --> 00:33:12,614 and if he thinks it has anything 747 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,200 to do with the parachute. 748 00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:16,660 - Eric? - Hey, mark. 749 00:33:16,744 --> 00:33:18,390 Yeah, it's eric. So we found what appears 750 00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:21,373 to be like a wire, uh, buried, 751 00:33:21,458 --> 00:33:23,333 kind of half buried in here. 752 00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:25,501 Is there any sort of wire? 753 00:33:25,546 --> 00:33:27,231 Uh, it's a little heavier gauge wire, 754 00:33:27,256 --> 00:33:29,506 anything like that in the... in the parachutes, 755 00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:32,342 uh, either the reserve or the, uh, the main 756 00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:33,989 that would... That's consistent with that? 757 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,573 Uh, in the pilot... In the pilot chute, 758 00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:37,491 there's a spring, it's not stranded. 759 00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:39,557 It's solid wire, but it's springy. 760 00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:41,121 So what kind of gauge are we talking about, 761 00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:42,894 relative to, like, the size 762 00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:46,230 of a, uh, a hangar, for example? 763 00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:47,398 About the same. 764 00:33:47,483 --> 00:33:49,403 Okay. Is it okay if we take a picture 765 00:33:49,486 --> 00:33:50,693 and send the picture to you 766 00:33:50,738 --> 00:33:53,238 and just kind of get your impression? 767 00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:54,448 Yeah, that's fine. 768 00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:57,241 Okay. Hold on a second here, mark. 769 00:33:57,326 --> 00:33:58,910 Uh, is it... is it rusty? 770 00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,796 I mean, it's not shiny, but it doesn't appear 771 00:34:00,873 --> 00:34:03,039 to be rusted to me, but... 772 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,416 Let me send this over to you. 773 00:34:05,501 --> 00:34:08,920 Hopefully, it lets me send it out to you here. 774 00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:10,525 And then you can just shoot me a callback 775 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:11,985 as soon as you have a chance to take a look at it. 776 00:34:12,009 --> 00:34:13,425 - Okay. Try that. - All right. 777 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:15,217 - Thanks, mark. - All right. 778 00:34:15,304 --> 00:34:17,094 There's an old road in here, too, 779 00:34:17,181 --> 00:34:19,722 about a hundred yards in. 780 00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:21,932 - Hmm. - Had a gate on it even. 781 00:34:22,018 --> 00:34:25,771 Let's see what kind of metal they used on the fencing here. 782 00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:28,001 But that's what it looks like actually right there. 783 00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:29,231 Yeah. 784 00:34:29,318 --> 00:34:30,733 That's what it looks like. 785 00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:32,255 Yeah, as you can see down there... down there, 786 00:34:32,278 --> 00:34:34,257 that's how they secure the post together 787 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,280 - and make them stand up. - Yeah. 788 00:34:36,365 --> 00:34:37,824 It looked just like that. 789 00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:41,786 It looked just like that, exactly like that. 790 00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:44,289 At least we have an idea of what it is now, so... 791 00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:46,916 Yeah, that appears to be the case. 792 00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:49,920 I was hoping that we would have found something 793 00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:52,463 a little bit more concrete at this point. 794 00:34:52,548 --> 00:34:56,259 We've only got more day left to search the refuge, 795 00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:58,969 then it's onto searching the private property. 796 00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:04,684 While eric and the team call it a day, 797 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,061 retired fbi agent, mary jean fryar, 798 00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:09,188 is in santa rosa. 799 00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:11,483 She's spoken with sheridan peterson. 800 00:35:11,568 --> 00:35:13,318 Eric's key person of interest. 801 00:35:13,402 --> 00:35:15,862 And now, she said she has even more reason 802 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:19,740 to believe he could be D.B.Cooper. 803 00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:21,992 In September, I received 804 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,246 communication from sheridan peterson, 805 00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,956 which was very strange. 806 00:35:25,998 --> 00:35:28,166 I've never had another person I've ever interviewed 807 00:35:28,251 --> 00:35:31,836 in my 21.4 years ever contact me again. 808 00:35:31,922 --> 00:35:33,880 And he sent me two messages 809 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:36,257 about things that were upsetting him 810 00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:39,844 and signed them both d.B. 811 00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:43,556 I think sheridan loves the simulation, 812 00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:46,016 the engagement, the thrill of him 813 00:35:46,103 --> 00:35:48,644 being a suspect as D.B.Cooper. 814 00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:50,646 Do you think that he could be D.B.Cooper? 815 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:52,983 Yeah, I do. 816 00:35:53,025 --> 00:35:54,568 To prepare for her meeting, 817 00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:57,070 mary jean watches an interview sheridan did 818 00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:00,407 for a 2016 documentary. 819 00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,867 In it, sheridan acknowledges he sky jumped 820 00:36:02,952 --> 00:36:04,702 at issaquah skyport, 821 00:36:04,788 --> 00:36:07,038 the place that supplied the parachutes D.B.Cooper 822 00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:11,668 requested during flight 305 skyjacking. 823 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:16,213 Oh, I was the most obvious, uh, suspect of anyone. 824 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,009 I have jumped in issaquah 825 00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:22,094 and I got my instructor's license there. 826 00:36:22,181 --> 00:36:27,309 And that is where the guy got the parachutes 827 00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:30,061 and I had worked for, um, boeing. 828 00:36:30,146 --> 00:36:33,023 He's building a very good case against himself. 829 00:36:33,065 --> 00:36:36,860 She said, "where were you?" 830 00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:38,715 and I said, "I was in the park." 831 00:36:38,739 --> 00:36:40,447 "oh, in the park. Come on. 832 00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:42,782 You can think of a better one then." 833 00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:44,534 no, I did not say that. 834 00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:46,097 And they didn't keep track of people 835 00:36:46,121 --> 00:36:47,806 going back and forth from the country. 836 00:36:47,831 --> 00:36:49,121 If he was there, that's great. 837 00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:51,101 But, that doesn't prove that he was there. 838 00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:53,293 And then I told them, I said, 839 00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:55,378 "he had four parachutes." 840 00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:58,505 he had one parachute with a red x cross 841 00:36:58,592 --> 00:36:59,757 and that was a reserve. 842 00:36:59,842 --> 00:37:03,052 Another reserve was perfectly good. 843 00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,429 Which reserve do you take? 844 00:37:05,514 --> 00:37:08,266 The one that was daisy-chained. I remember that one. 845 00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:10,393 This is interesting that he's so detailed. 846 00:37:10,478 --> 00:37:12,728 Took more than taking the right parachute, 847 00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:15,440 it also meant that the person would have to know 848 00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:17,775 those stairs come down on the 727. 849 00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:19,277 I wouldn't know what's on the... 850 00:37:19,362 --> 00:37:20,840 So that's what I... That's what I'm saying, 851 00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:22,342 so anybody is saying that you would've been 852 00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:23,949 a great D.B.Cooper, 853 00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:25,887 not if you didn't know how to get off the airplane. 854 00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:27,619 Oh, yeah. 855 00:37:27,704 --> 00:37:29,036 That made him nervous, you know, 856 00:37:29,121 --> 00:37:30,182 with that conversation. 857 00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:31,623 Didn't know about the stairs 858 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,291 and he's kind of fidgeting with his cup. 859 00:37:34,378 --> 00:37:37,628 And did you ever hear from mary jean again? 860 00:37:37,713 --> 00:37:40,923 She came back for some reason 861 00:37:41,009 --> 00:37:44,510 and told me that, uh, there's no match. 862 00:37:44,596 --> 00:37:46,199 Well, it's very fortunate for me. 863 00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:47,806 I'm about to go see sheridan peterson 864 00:37:47,891 --> 00:37:50,141 for the first time since 2003 865 00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:52,309 and I'm hoping that maybe at this point, 866 00:37:52,396 --> 00:37:55,105 he's finally ready to accept 867 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:57,190 that he's gonna tell us that he's D.B.Cooper. 868 00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:58,418 Don't take it to your death. 869 00:37:58,443 --> 00:37:59,775 Set the record straight. 870 00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:02,320 Put this to rest so that everyone can appreciate 871 00:38:02,405 --> 00:38:03,862 what you did and got away with, 872 00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:06,615 and not let anyone else take credit for it. 873 00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:14,081 With their permit expired at the refuge, 874 00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:17,293 eric and his team arrive at their final search zone, 875 00:38:17,378 --> 00:38:20,630 a ravine on private property. 876 00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:22,172 It's on lake river 877 00:38:22,259 --> 00:38:24,070 and eric believes cooper could have used it 878 00:38:24,094 --> 00:38:26,969 for cover as he made his way to tena bar 879 00:38:27,054 --> 00:38:29,639 where some ransom money was uncovered in 1980. 880 00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:31,202 - How's it going, man? - It's going good. 881 00:38:31,226 --> 00:38:32,826 - Good to see you. - Good to see as well. 882 00:38:32,893 --> 00:38:34,936 Yup. Yup. How you doing? 883 00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:37,563 Good morning. Uh, so my name is eric. 884 00:38:37,648 --> 00:38:39,815 Barry, I wanna thank you very much for, um, 885 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,780 getting these group of people together 886 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,463 and why don't you give me an idea of who we've got here? 887 00:38:43,487 --> 00:38:45,215 Because clearly we have two different teams. 888 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,510 We have, uh, as you see by the different colors of blue 889 00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:49,909 and the red, so, uh, I'm with the southwest washington 890 00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:51,119 search and rescue 891 00:38:51,204 --> 00:38:53,163 and, uh, these folks here in the red 892 00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:55,623 are with the clark county sheriff's office. 893 00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:57,833 How many of you have actually heard 894 00:38:57,918 --> 00:39:00,711 of D.B.Cooper or haven't heard of D.B.Cooper 895 00:39:00,797 --> 00:39:02,672 who are familiar with the case? 896 00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:04,298 I know you guys are. 897 00:39:04,384 --> 00:39:05,652 It'd be more surprising if somebody 898 00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:07,844 - hadn't ever heard of that. - Yeah. 899 00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:10,137 I'd know. 900 00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:12,514 I'm from the east coast, so this is... 901 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,077 I... I've read a little bit about it 902 00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:15,913 and thought it was interesting and being here 903 00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:17,039 with the rest of the team is, 904 00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,188 it's exciting and it's fun. 905 00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:21,023 So, um, you know, hopefully 906 00:39:21,068 --> 00:39:22,525 we do come across something 907 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:23,880 and, you know, get to learn a little bit more 908 00:39:23,903 --> 00:39:26,153 about the pacific northwest legend. 909 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,239 There's a lot of evidence 910 00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:29,782 that suggests that D.B.Cooper 911 00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:32,702 landed somewhere in this vicinity. 912 00:39:32,788 --> 00:39:35,121 We did some searching on the refuge side 913 00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:36,748 of lake river. 914 00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:39,626 Now it's time to focus on this side of lake river. 915 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:41,543 My thought is that cooper, 916 00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:44,005 you know, if he landed in this area here, 917 00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:46,507 would have, you know, walked his way down 918 00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:50,094 to the ravine looking for a path out of the area, 919 00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:52,889 a path toward he railroad tracks. 920 00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:56,184 Today's search will cover over 12 acres. 921 00:39:56,268 --> 00:39:58,436 So they've doubled their search team. 922 00:39:58,521 --> 00:40:01,523 Each member is outfitted with a gps tracker 923 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:04,275 and monitored from a mobile command center. 924 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,568 All right. Folks, we ready? 925 00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:09,030 If evidence of D.B.Cooper is here, 926 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,199 eric's confident his team can find it. 927 00:40:17,666 --> 00:40:18,748 Right side good? 928 00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:19,791 Right good. 929 00:40:19,876 --> 00:40:21,478 - Left side. - Left side good. 930 00:40:21,503 --> 00:40:24,128 Okay. Moving. All right. Slow, methodical. 931 00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:27,090 Just follow this ravine straight down. 932 00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:29,717 Low and slow, folks. Low and slow. 933 00:40:29,802 --> 00:40:30,987 Make sure you clear under trees 934 00:40:31,012 --> 00:40:32,594 and things like that. 935 00:40:34,014 --> 00:40:36,181 Look up every once in a while. 936 00:40:36,268 --> 00:40:38,268 Yeah, look behind you, too. 937 00:40:38,353 --> 00:40:40,603 And you can break as much as you need to. 938 00:40:40,688 --> 00:40:43,273 Okay. We got permission. 939 00:40:43,358 --> 00:40:44,626 Keep going. Yeah, looking good. 940 00:40:44,650 --> 00:40:45,817 - Keep going. - Think, 941 00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:47,610 where would I hide a parachute? 942 00:40:49,197 --> 00:40:50,550 One other thing to consider as I look 943 00:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,282 at these trees up here, 944 00:40:52,324 --> 00:40:55,117 one of the premier suspects 945 00:40:55,202 --> 00:40:58,163 in this case was actually a smokejumper. 946 00:40:58,248 --> 00:41:00,456 If he happened to land in this type of environment, 947 00:41:00,541 --> 00:41:01,978 he would have known exactly what to do 948 00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:03,293 and how to handle the situation 949 00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:05,273 if he had caught up in these trees, you know, 950 00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:06,628 60, 70 feet up. 951 00:41:06,715 --> 00:41:08,192 We know that he had a pocket knife on him 952 00:41:08,215 --> 00:41:09,507 and how he actually used that 953 00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:11,362 to cut some of the shroud lines. 954 00:41:11,385 --> 00:41:13,197 So, uh, he would have figured out a way to get down. 955 00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:16,847 It wouldn't have been an issue for him. 956 00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,099 Oh, yeah, something. 957 00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:19,851 They got, uh, something. 958 00:41:19,936 --> 00:41:22,081 They're digging in something over there, eric. I'm not sure. 959 00:41:22,105 --> 00:41:23,646 Eric, do you wanna come over here? 960 00:41:23,731 --> 00:41:25,148 Yeah. Hold on. 961 00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,567 Right. Holding. 962 00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:29,485 Yes. That's the same area. 963 00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:33,239 Hold this. 964 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:37,284 The wine bottle like the piece of aluminum. 965 00:41:37,369 --> 00:41:38,827 Yeah, I think that's all it is. 966 00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:40,557 Yeah, some cork on it. Yeah, it's definitely 967 00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:43,166 like a top of a wine cork. 968 00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,541 We know the guy was drinking. 969 00:41:44,628 --> 00:41:47,336 Um, had a bourbon on the flight, you know. 970 00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:48,858 This is one of those things I'm just curious 971 00:41:48,882 --> 00:41:50,547 - if he took a couple. - Yeah. 972 00:41:50,634 --> 00:41:52,402 Yeah. I mean you never know he's got many bottles 973 00:41:52,427 --> 00:41:54,844 with him you don't know, so it'd be the kind items 974 00:41:54,929 --> 00:41:59,474 to save, uh, for the heck of it, but, yeah. 975 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,579 Seems unlikely that there's any significance, 976 00:42:01,603 --> 00:42:05,480 - but, uh, an idea... - Gives an idea of how... 977 00:42:05,565 --> 00:42:06,791 How sensitive this instrument is. 978 00:42:06,815 --> 00:42:08,358 Yeah. All right. 979 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,318 - We'll continue. - Let's just pocket that 980 00:42:10,402 --> 00:42:11,945 and we'll continue, yeah. 981 00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:13,987 Does that look like something part of a plane? 982 00:42:19,663 --> 00:42:22,204 Cabinet or something? 983 00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:25,123 - Hey, eric. - Yeah. 984 00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:27,335 Do you wanna come here for a second? 985 00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:29,128 - Yeah. - Large metal box 986 00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:31,588 and I assume somebody's filled it with rocks, 987 00:42:31,675 --> 00:42:33,318 but I just wanna make sure that... 988 00:42:33,342 --> 00:42:35,092 - You don't have any... - I'm gonna 989 00:42:35,177 --> 00:42:36,364 with me. You see it anywhere. 990 00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:37,554 This right here. 991 00:42:37,597 --> 00:42:39,074 Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's the kind of thing 992 00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:41,391 that, uh... I don't know how it ended up here, 993 00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:43,411 but it's certainly not associated with the parachute 994 00:42:43,436 --> 00:42:44,686 - or anything like that. - Yeah. 995 00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:45,998 And it's not associated with anything... 996 00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:47,541 Nothing that I'm aware of, yeah. 997 00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:49,585 It doesn't, uh... It's certainly much bigger 998 00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:51,420 than the attache case would have been. 999 00:42:51,443 --> 00:42:53,297 It looks just... up here, it looks to me 1000 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,072 just like a, uh, you know, old metal box, so... 1001 00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:58,074 Yeah. It's an old metal box, yeah. 1002 00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,701 Yeah. Okay. 1003 00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:02,244 All right. Good to check out though. 1004 00:43:05,666 --> 00:43:08,293 Although they've yet to find definitive evidence, 1005 00:43:08,378 --> 00:43:11,545 the search team has recovered a few items of interest, 1006 00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:13,213 including this small gauge wire 1007 00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:17,050 which could have been part of the nb6 parachute. 1008 00:43:17,137 --> 00:43:20,471 They also found nylon rope hanging from a tree 1009 00:43:20,556 --> 00:43:23,307 and aluminum that could be from beverages 1010 00:43:23,393 --> 00:43:25,726 served on flight 305. 1011 00:43:28,023 --> 00:43:30,898 A few, you know, falls positive, so to speak, 1012 00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:33,108 it helps keep a little fresh in your mind 1013 00:43:33,193 --> 00:43:35,235 that this is a very real case. 1014 00:43:35,322 --> 00:43:37,090 Uh, this guy really did really exist. 1015 00:43:37,114 --> 00:43:39,615 He really did jump somewhere in this area. 1016 00:43:39,701 --> 00:43:42,242 Those parachutes are somewhere in this vicinity, 1017 00:43:42,286 --> 00:43:44,454 uh, and it's just a matter of finding them. 1018 00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:52,711 Investigator eric ulis is on the last day 1019 00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:55,965 of his search for evidence that could solve 1020 00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:58,467 the mystery of D.B.Cooper. 1021 00:43:58,552 --> 00:44:01,721 Eric believes the fbi got it wrong 1022 00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:04,474 and cooper actually landed eight miles west 1023 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,601 of law enforcement's original search zone. 1024 00:44:07,646 --> 00:44:10,146 If he can find any sign of cooper, 1025 00:44:10,231 --> 00:44:12,606 it would prove he survived the jump, 1026 00:44:12,692 --> 00:44:15,108 and may be alive today. 1027 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,197 I wonder what this area looked like 1028 00:44:20,282 --> 00:44:21,990 for 48 years ago. 1029 00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:24,327 I think it looked just like this. 1030 00:44:24,411 --> 00:44:26,411 The ravine the team's searching 1031 00:44:26,498 --> 00:44:30,166 has remained untouched by loggers for 50 years. 1032 00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:31,853 Eric believes decades of overgrowth 1033 00:44:31,878 --> 00:44:35,003 could have helped preserve evidence. 1034 00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:37,465 There's an awful lot of vegetation, uh, 1035 00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:38,902 and this is exactly the kind of area 1036 00:44:38,927 --> 00:44:40,737 that we would expect to find something 1037 00:44:40,762 --> 00:44:43,596 if he was in this area and happened to stash up. 1038 00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:45,514 It wouldn't be fun to land a parachute in. 1039 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,349 - Yeah. - You'd get caught up. 1040 00:44:47,434 --> 00:44:49,184 This is actually a pretty long property. 1041 00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:50,978 - Is it a long line? - Yeah, we're about 1042 00:44:51,021 --> 00:44:53,313 - a fifth of the way right now. - Oh, wow. 1043 00:44:55,902 --> 00:44:57,045 Watch to your right, folks. 1044 00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:58,277 Don't outwalk your flanks. 1045 00:44:58,362 --> 00:44:59,653 - Hey, joe. - Yeah. 1046 00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:01,364 See that big tree on the other side 1047 00:45:01,407 --> 00:45:03,032 of that ravine right there? 1048 00:45:03,117 --> 00:45:05,277 - That one right there? Yeah. - So once we get to that, 1049 00:45:05,327 --> 00:45:06,931 we wanna spread out to the right. 1050 00:45:06,954 --> 00:45:09,706 - Okay. There you go, eric. - All right. 1051 00:45:09,791 --> 00:45:11,059 - All right. - So you tug like this? 1052 00:45:11,083 --> 00:45:12,166 There you go. Yeah. 1053 00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:13,561 And it'd catch you if you fall, yeah. 1054 00:45:13,585 --> 00:45:15,210 - Excellent. - There you go. 1055 00:45:15,255 --> 00:45:17,672 All right. This one's still like that. 1056 00:45:17,757 --> 00:45:18,797 - All right. - All right. 1057 00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:20,173 Good job. 1058 00:45:22,302 --> 00:45:25,722 $200,000 in 1971, what would be the value 1059 00:45:25,764 --> 00:45:28,224 - of that today? - It would be 1.2 million 1060 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:30,601 - today. So, he'd be... - Wow. 1061 00:45:30,686 --> 00:45:32,478 Be a millionaire in today's dollar. 1062 00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:34,063 All of that for one million? 1063 00:45:34,148 --> 00:45:36,440 The fbi's never been able to prove one way 1064 00:45:36,525 --> 00:45:39,443 or the other whether any of the ransom was spent. 1065 00:45:39,528 --> 00:45:42,739 If D.B.Cooper did actually spend his money, 1066 00:45:42,782 --> 00:45:45,157 my research indicates that there would be approximately 1067 00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:47,784 50 of those bills still out there 1068 00:45:47,871 --> 00:45:50,413 in circulation today. 1069 00:45:50,498 --> 00:45:53,248 There is a very strong chance 1070 00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:56,753 that someone out there right now has 1071 00:45:56,838 --> 00:46:00,088 one of those bills, but they just don't know it. 1072 00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:01,423 As you can see here, 1073 00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:04,760 this is not a complete $20 bill. 1074 00:46:04,846 --> 00:46:07,722 In fact, I estimate that what we're looking at is only about 1075 00:46:07,806 --> 00:46:11,601 25% of the original bill. 1076 00:46:13,146 --> 00:46:14,728 After a difficult grid search, 1077 00:46:14,813 --> 00:46:17,940 the team finally reaches the ravine. 1078 00:46:18,025 --> 00:46:19,650 Okay, guys. You're gonna have to... 1079 00:46:19,735 --> 00:46:21,838 A little slower. It's a little bit more brushier here 1080 00:46:21,862 --> 00:46:26,032 for both sides, so... From here, eric believes 1081 00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:29,117 cooper could hear trains running on the bnsf 1082 00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:33,498 railway tracks, tracks leading to tena bar. 1083 00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,043 Oh, look at right here right in front of you. 1084 00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:40,545 There's some white something here. 1085 00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:41,632 I don't know. 1086 00:46:47,514 --> 00:46:49,597 The material is interesting. 1087 00:46:49,681 --> 00:46:51,807 We have a parachute expert. 1088 00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:54,643 Um, I'm gonna, well, ask him about it. 1089 00:46:54,686 --> 00:46:56,561 - Where'd you find it? - Uh, just right under 1090 00:46:56,648 --> 00:46:58,438 the log here. 1091 00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:06,197 It looks like a mixed material, 1092 00:47:06,282 --> 00:47:07,675 some of which could be on a parachute's... 1093 00:47:07,699 --> 00:47:09,157 I'll ask the expert and, uh... 1094 00:47:09,244 --> 00:47:10,659 - Yeah. - -He'll be able to tell 1095 00:47:10,744 --> 00:47:12,494 - us definitively. - Something with tension. 1096 00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:14,682 This had to be on something with some serious tension. 1097 00:47:14,706 --> 00:47:17,416 The team sets up a gps locator on the spot 1098 00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:19,835 where the cloth fragment was found 1099 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,672 to provide coordinates they can plot on a map. 1100 00:47:23,757 --> 00:47:26,384 The situation we find ourselves in right now 1101 00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:29,219 is rare, unique in a very limited time. 1102 00:47:29,304 --> 00:47:32,472 So, we just cannot afford to pass up on situations like this. 1103 00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,016 We have to thoroughly vet this. 1104 00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:36,561 We have to figure out what we're working with here 1105 00:47:36,646 --> 00:47:38,271 because this may be it. 1106 00:47:38,356 --> 00:47:41,023 This may be the one final golden opportunity 1107 00:47:41,108 --> 00:47:42,858 to figure out once and for all 1108 00:47:42,943 --> 00:47:44,652 what happened to D.B.Cooper. 1109 00:47:44,737 --> 00:47:46,548 We'll get it checked out. We'll see what the... 1110 00:47:46,572 --> 00:47:49,030 - Yup. - -Expert says. 1111 00:47:49,117 --> 00:47:50,824 Yeah. We'll see. 1112 00:47:50,909 --> 00:47:53,202 Could this fabric be part of D.B.Cooper's 1113 00:47:53,288 --> 00:47:54,661 missing parachutes? 1114 00:47:56,916 --> 00:47:59,541 It appears to be nylon and canvas, 1115 00:47:59,626 --> 00:48:00,876 which looked very durable. 1116 00:48:00,961 --> 00:48:03,211 It resembled a piece of a parachute. 1117 00:48:03,297 --> 00:48:06,382 It certainly looked like it could be, but I'm not sure. 1118 00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:08,237 So, now that we've got the piece in hand, 1119 00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:09,594 we've marked where we found it, 1120 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:11,532 we'll present it to our parachute expert, 1121 00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:13,722 mark meltzer, and he'll be able to tell us 1122 00:48:13,766 --> 00:48:16,077 definitively whether or not this is a piece of a parachute 1123 00:48:16,101 --> 00:48:17,101 or not. 1124 00:48:19,188 --> 00:48:21,606 To learn more about the fabric he found, 1125 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:25,358 eric heads to la to meet with mark meltzer. 1126 00:48:25,445 --> 00:48:26,943 Not only is he very knowledgeable 1127 00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:29,572 about the cooper case, he's also got something like 1128 00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:31,949 1,500, 2,000 parachute jumps. 1129 00:48:32,034 --> 00:48:33,887 It gives us the opportunity to give him 1130 00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:36,036 that piece of evidence that we found 1131 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,289 during the search, see if he thinks 1132 00:48:38,373 --> 00:48:40,498 that could possibly come from a parachute, 1133 00:48:40,585 --> 00:48:42,751 either the main parachute or the reserve parachute 1134 00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:44,295 or something else. 1135 00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:48,925 And he actually personally knows sheridan peterson. 1136 00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:51,469 I wanted to start out talking to you a little bit 1137 00:48:51,554 --> 00:48:54,179 about D.B.Cooper's skill level 1138 00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:56,076 with respect to parachutes given everything 1139 00:48:56,099 --> 00:48:58,559 you know about this case specifically in skydiving 1140 00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:00,121 - in particular. - What indicates to me 1141 00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:02,980 that he probably had some experience 1142 00:49:03,065 --> 00:49:04,251 with military parachute gear 1143 00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:07,360 is the type of main parachute rigs 1144 00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:10,780 that were brought to him were either navy nb6 1145 00:49:10,864 --> 00:49:14,617 or nb8 containers and harnesses and parachute 1146 00:49:14,702 --> 00:49:16,429 instructions were brought to the plane, 1147 00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:18,014 printed instructions on how to use the gear. 1148 00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:19,807 He didn't need them. And tina mucklow, 1149 00:49:19,831 --> 00:49:22,833 the stewardess that spent the most time with cooper, 1150 00:49:22,918 --> 00:49:25,628 noted cooper taking out a packing card out 1151 00:49:25,713 --> 00:49:26,963 of one of the parachute rigs. 1152 00:49:27,047 --> 00:49:30,340 And to me, that's a huge clue that cooper 1153 00:49:30,425 --> 00:49:32,300 was most likely a skydiver. 1154 00:49:32,387 --> 00:49:34,637 I mean, skydivers know what a packing card is. 1155 00:49:34,722 --> 00:49:37,306 Nobody else does. Very well concealed. 1156 00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:40,434 So, if cooper actually found the packing card 1157 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:43,353 and knew how to put on an nb8 or nb6, 1158 00:49:43,438 --> 00:49:46,773 - that's very telling. - We did find something 1159 00:49:46,818 --> 00:49:50,152 that may or may not be related to a parachute. 1160 00:49:50,237 --> 00:49:52,822 - I'd like to see it. - I'll take it out. 1161 00:49:52,907 --> 00:49:54,280 Get this open here. 1162 00:50:05,585 --> 00:50:08,795 Well, it's interesting and it has sort of a ripstop 1163 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,340 weave in the... In the fabric material here, 1164 00:50:11,384 --> 00:50:13,009 the porous fabric material. 1165 00:50:13,094 --> 00:50:14,969 It has nylon webbing. 1166 00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:17,054 And I see nothing in the materials 1167 00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:20,641 that's inconsistent with the late '60s, early '70s. 1168 00:50:26,858 --> 00:50:29,775 Investigator eric ulis is in los angeles 1169 00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:32,695 meeting with parachute expert, mark meltzer. 1170 00:50:32,739 --> 00:50:34,530 He hopes mark can shed light 1171 00:50:34,614 --> 00:50:37,532 on a piece of possible evidence. 1172 00:50:37,617 --> 00:50:39,534 Looking for the missing parachute, 1173 00:50:39,619 --> 00:50:44,039 we did find something that may or may not be related 1174 00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:45,498 to a parachute. 1175 00:50:56,471 --> 00:50:58,429 Well, it's interesting and that it has sort 1176 00:50:58,514 --> 00:51:00,889 of a ripstop, uh, weave in the... 1177 00:51:00,974 --> 00:51:03,893 In the fabric material here, the porous fabric material. 1178 00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:05,728 It has nylon webbing. 1179 00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:07,938 A ripstop weave is commonly found 1180 00:51:08,023 --> 00:51:10,940 in fabrics made to resist tearing. 1181 00:51:11,027 --> 00:51:14,070 Yarns are interwoven at regular intervals 1182 00:51:14,155 --> 00:51:16,405 in a crosshatch pattern. 1183 00:51:16,449 --> 00:51:19,407 I see nothing in the materials that's inconsistent 1184 00:51:19,494 --> 00:51:21,744 with the late '60s, early'70s. 1185 00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:24,204 But it's not the right color for a military parachute gear. 1186 00:51:24,289 --> 00:51:27,583 This is a turquoise blue and it apparently has leather 1187 00:51:27,626 --> 00:51:30,835 over-sewn on the perimeter of the, uh, thing. 1188 00:51:30,922 --> 00:51:34,047 And there is no leather on the... On the type of gear that cooper 1189 00:51:34,092 --> 00:51:35,931 jumped with. It does have components 1190 00:51:36,010 --> 00:51:37,195 in common with a parachute gear. 1191 00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:38,469 There's nylon webbing. 1192 00:51:38,554 --> 00:51:40,929 It has some sort of ripstop weave fabric. 1193 00:51:41,014 --> 00:51:42,701 But I can say with a hundred percent certainty 1194 00:51:42,724 --> 00:51:45,226 that this was not from D.B.Cooper's parachute gear. 1195 00:51:45,268 --> 00:51:46,663 So you've pretty much established 1196 00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:49,230 that it's absolutely not related 1197 00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:51,773 to the parachute that he jumped with. 1198 00:51:51,858 --> 00:51:53,670 What's the possibility that there's some sort of 1199 00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:56,277 relation to the dummy reserve parachute? 1200 00:51:56,322 --> 00:51:58,007 Yeah. That's an interesting question, eric. 1201 00:51:58,032 --> 00:52:01,074 I've seen some crude things done to those trainee reserves 1202 00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:03,911 that the only thing you want to do is have it be able 1203 00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:06,121 to be deployed and packed up really quickly. 1204 00:52:06,206 --> 00:52:07,623 So, they cut panels out. 1205 00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:09,894 They sometimes cut some of the suspension lines off. 1206 00:52:09,918 --> 00:52:11,855 It doesn't have to be done to faa specs. 1207 00:52:11,878 --> 00:52:14,838 And so, I can't definitively say this wasn't part 1208 00:52:14,923 --> 00:52:16,132 of a trainee reserve. 1209 00:52:16,217 --> 00:52:17,340 I think it's unlikely. 1210 00:52:17,425 --> 00:52:19,425 But I certainly can't rule it out. 1211 00:52:19,469 --> 00:52:20,802 This is very exciting for me 1212 00:52:20,887 --> 00:52:22,471 because there's a possibility 1213 00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:25,141 that this piece could be part 1214 00:52:25,184 --> 00:52:28,184 of the modification that was made 1215 00:52:28,271 --> 00:52:29,978 to the dummy reserve parachute. 1216 00:52:30,063 --> 00:52:32,648 You personally know sheridan peterson. 1217 00:52:32,692 --> 00:52:35,442 What are your overall impressions of peterson 1218 00:52:35,485 --> 00:52:40,322 as they pertain to the possibility of this guy 1219 00:52:40,365 --> 00:52:42,992 being the real D.B.Cooper? 1220 00:52:43,034 --> 00:52:47,871 Sheridan peterson is absolutely a qualified candidate. 1221 00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:51,000 There is no aspect to that jump that he wasn't a master of. 1222 00:52:51,043 --> 00:52:54,335 He knew how to jump into the wilderness and egress. 1223 00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:56,005 Do I think he's D.B.Cooper? 1224 00:52:56,047 --> 00:52:57,297 I just don't know. 1225 00:53:02,304 --> 00:53:03,637 To further his investigation, 1226 00:53:03,722 --> 00:53:07,307 eric ulis next visits claire peterson, 1227 00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:09,684 sheridan peterson's first wife. 1228 00:53:09,769 --> 00:53:11,831 He hopes she may have some insight into whether 1229 00:53:11,856 --> 00:53:14,523 sheridan could've pulled off the skyjacking. 1230 00:53:14,608 --> 00:53:18,027 She also has details about sheridan's second wife, 1231 00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:21,487 the key person who could corroborate his alibi. 1232 00:53:21,532 --> 00:53:23,740 Sheridan has three children, 1233 00:53:23,826 --> 00:53:25,701 all grown, with claire. 1234 00:53:25,786 --> 00:53:30,539 They were married in the '50s and divorced in 1962 1235 00:53:30,625 --> 00:53:34,626 which is right before sheridan moved up to seattle 1236 00:53:34,711 --> 00:53:36,211 and got the job at boeing. 1237 00:53:36,255 --> 00:53:39,088 Actually sheridan started working at boeing 1238 00:53:39,175 --> 00:53:40,798 in may of 1962. 1239 00:53:40,885 --> 00:53:44,594 So, they went their separate ways right before that. 1240 00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,556 So, this is gonna be fascinating to speak with claire 1241 00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:49,849 about her time with sheridan. 1242 00:53:49,936 --> 00:53:55,898 Claire peterson was interviewed by the fbi in 1974 1243 00:53:55,942 --> 00:53:58,567 about sheridan and about this case. 1244 00:53:58,652 --> 00:54:01,945 And at that time, sheridan was living in asia. 1245 00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:07,076 So, she knew as of 1974 that sheridan was a suspect 1246 00:54:07,161 --> 00:54:09,577 in the D.B.Cooper skyjacking. 1247 00:54:09,664 --> 00:54:12,831 Sheridan was 45 at the time of the skyjacking. 1248 00:54:12,916 --> 00:54:15,041 And eric believes his appearance is similar 1249 00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:18,295 to the original sketch of D.B.Cooper. 1250 00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:20,755 Sheridan lived in seattle prior to the skyjacking 1251 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,467 and was photographed in a suit and tie 1252 00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:26,427 while posing as a skydiver. 1253 00:54:26,514 --> 00:54:27,721 As a boeing employee, 1254 00:54:27,764 --> 00:54:29,617 it's also likely that sheridan knew 1255 00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:32,268 the inner workings of the boeing 727. 1256 00:54:32,311 --> 00:54:35,561 And finally, eric does not believe that sheridan's alibi 1257 00:54:35,648 --> 00:54:38,731 can be corroborated for the time of the skyjacking. 1258 00:54:53,498 --> 00:54:55,123 - Hi, claire. - Hi. 1259 00:54:55,208 --> 00:54:56,791 - Hi. Eric ulis. - You must be eric. 1260 00:54:56,835 --> 00:54:59,085 - I am eric. How are you? - Fine. Thank you. 1261 00:54:59,170 --> 00:55:01,463 Good to meet you. 1262 00:55:01,548 --> 00:55:04,632 Claire agreed to help eric obtain a dna profile 1263 00:55:04,677 --> 00:55:06,510 from one of their children. 1264 00:55:06,594 --> 00:55:09,762 It will be compared to the dna from D.B.Cooper's tie 1265 00:55:09,849 --> 00:55:12,016 left aboard flight 305. 1266 00:55:12,101 --> 00:55:14,809 If it's a match, eric could finally have the answer 1267 00:55:14,894 --> 00:55:17,646 to the mystery of D.B.Cooper's identity. 1268 00:55:19,233 --> 00:55:21,150 First of all, claire, thank you very much 1269 00:55:21,235 --> 00:55:24,110 for taking the time to sit down with me 1270 00:55:24,195 --> 00:55:26,989 and talk a little bit about your life 1271 00:55:27,032 --> 00:55:28,824 and your life with sheridan. 1272 00:55:28,909 --> 00:55:33,161 Could you describe just the nature of your relationship 1273 00:55:33,246 --> 00:55:37,333 during that seven years with sheridan? 1274 00:55:37,376 --> 00:55:40,335 The relationship was bumpy. 1275 00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:43,172 He did have tirades of anger. 1276 00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:45,340 I don't think he could control it. 1277 00:55:45,425 --> 00:55:48,052 So, I knew there was a time that I was gonna have to say 1278 00:55:48,137 --> 00:55:49,677 goodbye to him. 1279 00:55:49,722 --> 00:55:53,014 And that's the way it went, 1280 00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:56,768 something had to be done 'cause I didn't wanna get hurt. 1281 00:55:56,853 --> 00:56:00,021 In terms of being clever and deceptive 1282 00:56:00,106 --> 00:56:03,817 when there's something that he wanted or what have you, 1283 00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:06,862 did you detect any of that in him, 1284 00:56:06,905 --> 00:56:08,864 the ability to be deceptive? 1285 00:56:08,949 --> 00:56:12,159 I think he was deceptive, yes, 1286 00:56:12,244 --> 00:56:15,371 in a way that would work for him. 1287 00:56:15,456 --> 00:56:17,873 As eric speaks with claire peterson, 1288 00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:21,043 former fbi agent mary jean fryar is in route 1289 00:56:21,086 --> 00:56:23,420 to visit sheridan peterson. 1290 00:56:23,505 --> 00:56:27,215 In 2003, she interviewed him as a person of interest 1291 00:56:27,259 --> 00:56:29,885 and collected a dna sample. 1292 00:56:29,969 --> 00:56:32,846 This is the first time they've met since then. 1293 00:56:37,353 --> 00:56:39,228 I was glad you reached out to me 1294 00:56:39,313 --> 00:56:40,771 and, uh, on twitter. 1295 00:56:40,856 --> 00:56:43,606 When you sent me that message that you wish 1296 00:56:43,692 --> 00:56:46,402 I was still in the fbi because you had things 1297 00:56:46,487 --> 00:56:48,653 that were happening to your computer. 1298 00:56:48,739 --> 00:56:52,490 - Yeah. - Do you remember that in September? 1299 00:56:52,576 --> 00:56:54,221 - With your book, with your book. - Oh, yeah. 1300 00:56:54,244 --> 00:56:57,913 Yeah. You signed it d.B. 1301 00:56:57,956 --> 00:57:01,208 well, because I thought I'd amuse you. 1302 00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:02,583 Yeah. You did amuse me. 1303 00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:05,336 Twice you sent... you signed d.B. 1304 00:57:05,422 --> 00:57:08,132 yeah. 1305 00:57:08,217 --> 00:57:12,052 I was so surprised to find you. 1306 00:57:12,096 --> 00:57:13,804 It's been a long time since we've 1307 00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:15,806 - seen each other. - Yes, it has, 1308 00:57:15,891 --> 00:57:17,641 that was 20 years ago, huh? 1309 00:57:17,726 --> 00:57:22,603 - Long time ago. - Uh, heisting of aircraft 1310 00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:24,231 and that wasn't me. 1311 00:57:24,315 --> 00:57:29,652 There were easier ways to get 200,000 I would say, 1312 00:57:29,737 --> 00:57:31,905 I'm surprised that you guys are still interested. 1313 00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:33,364 They never caught the guy. 1314 00:57:33,451 --> 00:57:34,782 Uh-huh. They didn't? 1315 00:57:34,869 --> 00:57:36,952 The fbi gave up on it and closed it. 1316 00:57:37,036 --> 00:57:38,744 - Oh, did they? - The fact that 1317 00:57:38,831 --> 00:57:41,414 people think that you could be D.B.Cooper makes sense. 1318 00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,585 D.B.Cooper was a... was a gangster. 1319 00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:46,795 He was a thief. 1320 00:57:46,838 --> 00:57:49,297 - He stole $200,000 and he... - Yeah. He did. 1321 00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:52,425 And he also... he wanted to blow up a plane. 1322 00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:54,552 He would've killed a lot of people. 1323 00:57:54,637 --> 00:57:56,472 Do you think the bombs were real? 1324 00:57:56,514 --> 00:57:59,432 Oh, they weren't real. No. 1325 00:57:59,518 --> 00:58:00,518 How do you know that? 1326 00:58:03,271 --> 00:58:05,063 Investigator mary jean fryar 1327 00:58:05,148 --> 00:58:07,733 is meeting with sheridan peterson. 1328 00:58:07,818 --> 00:58:11,235 A man she interviewed in 2003 as a person of interest 1329 00:58:11,322 --> 00:58:12,737 in the D.B.Cooper case. 1330 00:58:12,822 --> 00:58:14,489 Do you think the bombs were real? 1331 00:58:14,574 --> 00:58:16,824 Oh, they weren't real. No. 1332 00:58:16,911 --> 00:58:20,621 The fbi found proofs that they... 1333 00:58:20,706 --> 00:58:22,623 - The bombs weren't real. - They did? 1334 00:58:22,708 --> 00:58:24,791 I don't think... I don't... Didn't hear that. 1335 00:58:24,876 --> 00:58:26,960 Oh, yeah. They've... they... 1336 00:58:27,045 --> 00:58:31,047 Once he had jumped, uh, he left the stuff behind. 1337 00:58:31,132 --> 00:58:34,134 He only left the tie behind. 1338 00:58:34,219 --> 00:58:36,260 The only items recovered from the hijacked 1339 00:58:36,347 --> 00:58:40,056 plane were a long skinny black clip-on tie. 1340 00:58:40,141 --> 00:58:43,643 A gold tie clip and eight cigarette butts. 1341 00:58:43,728 --> 00:58:46,688 It's believed cooper jumped with everything else 1342 00:58:46,731 --> 00:58:48,710 including the handwritten note exchanged 1343 00:58:48,733 --> 00:58:51,693 between he and the flight attendants. 1344 00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:53,152 Why would he do it? 1345 00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:57,157 I feel that... my personal opinion that he, uh, 1346 00:58:57,242 --> 00:58:59,826 ended up in the columbia river. 1347 00:58:59,869 --> 00:59:02,329 That money all rotted and everything 1348 00:59:02,373 --> 00:59:03,956 was in the sand along 1349 00:59:04,041 --> 00:59:07,376 the bank up north of the dalles. 1350 00:59:07,418 --> 00:59:10,503 Actually, I think the money was buried not lost. 1351 00:59:10,588 --> 00:59:12,713 Buried? 1352 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,509 Because it was like in a stack in the sand, 1353 00:59:15,594 --> 00:59:18,719 not like just drifted there. 1354 00:59:18,764 --> 00:59:21,556 If he jumped and then just, uh, 1355 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,686 and entirely he was wearing, he was crazy. 1356 00:59:25,771 --> 00:59:27,271 And I'm not crazy. 1357 00:59:27,356 --> 00:59:29,648 That took a lot of guts to do what he did. 1358 00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:31,817 Oh, yeah. I think so. 1359 00:59:31,902 --> 00:59:34,193 Uh, uh, yeah. 1360 00:59:35,905 --> 00:59:37,822 You know, your life story is fascinating. 1361 00:59:37,907 --> 00:59:41,367 Can we start after your first wife claire? 1362 00:59:41,411 --> 00:59:44,954 Yeah. So, right after my first wife, 1363 00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:47,833 I took a sabbatical in the philippines. 1364 00:59:47,918 --> 00:59:50,376 I was just an english teacher 1365 00:59:50,461 --> 00:59:55,090 and I met zeny she lived in a very poor area. 1366 00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:59,844 She wasn't, um, uh, well-educated. 1367 00:59:59,929 --> 01:00:03,056 But I married zeny and we had two children. 1368 01:00:03,141 --> 01:00:07,268 And then I went to vietnam, with the express purpose 1369 01:00:07,313 --> 01:00:10,731 of writing a documentary on the vietnam war. 1370 01:00:10,773 --> 01:00:12,940 You know, I needed a passport. 1371 01:00:12,985 --> 01:00:15,068 Oh, I have those passports. 1372 01:00:15,112 --> 01:00:17,070 - Oh, you do? - Can we see them? 1373 01:00:17,155 --> 01:00:19,822 Yeah. 1374 01:00:19,907 --> 01:00:21,949 This is the... All your travel everywhere? 1375 01:00:21,994 --> 01:00:23,409 - Wow. - Well, I'm not... 1376 01:00:23,494 --> 01:00:25,414 I'm not sure it's all of them, but... 1377 01:00:25,496 --> 01:00:27,789 You keep everything. I love that. 1378 01:00:27,833 --> 01:00:30,833 So, here's kathmandu in August of '71. 1379 01:00:30,918 --> 01:00:32,835 - Yup. - Now after 1380 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,590 August of '71, then where did you go? 1381 01:00:36,675 --> 01:00:39,800 Oh, I went back to vietnam. 1382 01:00:39,887 --> 01:00:42,471 Yeah. I remember that, we went... 1383 01:00:42,556 --> 01:00:46,224 I went back and I left the family in, 1384 01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:49,061 uh, malaysia in penang. 1385 01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:51,813 Your wife died in 1977? 1386 01:00:54,525 --> 01:00:56,108 Well, yeah. 1387 01:00:56,195 --> 01:00:59,445 I don't want them to know where I am. 1388 01:00:59,530 --> 01:01:01,657 I don't want them to know anything. 1389 01:01:03,661 --> 01:01:06,327 Back in idaho, eric ulis continues his meeting 1390 01:01:06,371 --> 01:01:08,704 with sheridan's first wife, claire. 1391 01:01:08,791 --> 01:01:11,500 He was not money crazy. 1392 01:01:11,543 --> 01:01:14,085 But he did not wanna work but, you know, 1393 01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:15,586 he wanted to have a living 1394 01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:18,798 and I knew he wanted to go to asia. 1395 01:01:18,884 --> 01:01:22,635 And it looked like he was doing what he wanted to do. 1396 01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:26,097 So, you were made aware at some point that he, like, 1397 01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:27,724 headed to asia? 1398 01:01:27,809 --> 01:01:31,103 I did know that he left and he went overseas. 1399 01:01:31,188 --> 01:01:33,646 And was there any contact with him 1400 01:01:33,731 --> 01:01:35,690 - while he was over there? - Um, 1401 01:01:36,735 --> 01:01:39,027 probably a couple of letters. 1402 01:01:39,070 --> 01:01:42,447 And then... but for years and years, no contact. 1403 01:01:42,532 --> 01:01:44,282 One thing that was intriguing 1404 01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:46,242 that we talked about... 1405 01:01:46,327 --> 01:01:50,496 Related to, uh, his second wife. 1406 01:01:50,581 --> 01:01:52,708 And you're talking about a wife 1407 01:01:52,751 --> 01:01:55,626 that he led me to believe was alive. 1408 01:01:55,713 --> 01:01:58,380 What did he say to you in 2007 1409 01:01:58,423 --> 01:02:01,048 that made you think she was still alive? 1410 01:02:01,135 --> 01:02:05,010 I met his, uh, daughter, their daughter, 1411 01:02:05,097 --> 01:02:07,556 and she wanted to see her mother and she wanted to see her, 1412 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,599 that her mother got over here to the united states 1413 01:02:10,686 --> 01:02:13,018 - from the philippines. - What year was this? 1414 01:02:13,105 --> 01:02:15,688 - Oh, this was, 2007. - So, you talked... 1415 01:02:15,773 --> 01:02:17,043 You had a conversation with sheridan about this... 1416 01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:18,253 - I did. - Right here at your house, 1417 01:02:18,277 --> 01:02:19,838 - where we are right now? - I did. Yes. 1418 01:02:19,862 --> 01:02:21,755 - What did sheridan say about... - Well, I asked him. 1419 01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:23,070 Why don't you send for her? 1420 01:02:23,114 --> 01:02:25,449 Why don't you see that she can get here? 1421 01:02:25,534 --> 01:02:27,701 And he laughed and what he said was, 1422 01:02:27,786 --> 01:02:31,704 "oh, she wants to bring her entire family over with her." 1423 01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:33,518 clearly, you're under the distinct impression 1424 01:02:33,541 --> 01:02:36,376 that his second wife, at least as of 2007 1425 01:02:36,461 --> 01:02:38,606 is alive and well and is living in the philippines, 1426 01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:40,338 - is that correct? - Exactly. 1427 01:02:40,423 --> 01:02:42,965 According to sheridan, his second wife 1428 01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:48,137 had passed away in 1977. 1429 01:02:48,222 --> 01:02:51,224 Well, he's lying about something. 1430 01:02:51,309 --> 01:02:55,228 If he is... Possibly dan cooper, 1431 01:02:55,313 --> 01:02:57,271 uh, she would know. 1432 01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:01,067 Well, that's where I started to really think 1433 01:03:01,110 --> 01:03:03,695 perhaps that was he... 1434 01:03:05,324 --> 01:03:06,655 Who did it. 1435 01:03:06,742 --> 01:03:09,617 He had the knowledge and probably... 1436 01:03:11,163 --> 01:03:15,081 He probably had the courage to do something like that. 1437 01:03:17,001 --> 01:03:20,628 Look, I read eric's work and I have to ask you. 1438 01:03:20,672 --> 01:03:22,588 I want to know how you knew 1439 01:03:22,673 --> 01:03:24,594 the reserve parachute was daisy-chained. 1440 01:03:24,675 --> 01:03:27,219 I daisy-chained it. 1441 01:03:27,304 --> 01:03:28,552 You daisy-chained it? 1442 01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:29,971 Yeah, I daisy-chained it. 1443 01:03:30,014 --> 01:03:33,307 We use it there, at issaquah, for years. 1444 01:03:34,603 --> 01:03:36,143 Sheridan peterson worked at the 1445 01:03:36,188 --> 01:03:39,940 issaquah skydive center in the early 1960s. 1446 01:03:39,983 --> 01:03:42,400 The same place that would later provide parachutes 1447 01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:45,445 used by cooper in his escape. 1448 01:03:45,489 --> 01:03:47,280 I daisy-chained it so... 1449 01:03:47,324 --> 01:03:50,115 They throw it down and out, see, 1450 01:03:50,202 --> 01:03:53,494 the reserve, I put the red x on it. 1451 01:03:53,579 --> 01:03:55,579 You hadn't been to issaquah in five years. 1452 01:03:55,666 --> 01:03:56,786 How did you know that... 1453 01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:58,311 That's the same reserve you made? 1454 01:03:58,335 --> 01:04:00,251 Well, I was sure it was. 1455 01:04:00,336 --> 01:04:02,128 Why would they change it? 1456 01:04:02,213 --> 01:04:04,130 Who gave it to him? 1457 01:04:04,215 --> 01:04:05,422 Linn emrich. 1458 01:04:05,509 --> 01:04:09,677 Well, that's why linn emrich figured it was me. 1459 01:04:09,721 --> 01:04:12,597 Linn emrich worked at issaquah skyport 1460 01:04:12,682 --> 01:04:14,641 at the same time of the hijacking. 1461 01:04:14,726 --> 01:04:17,101 But, uh, the others don't... 1462 01:04:17,186 --> 01:04:22,190 No longer think that I'm, uh, D.B.Cooper. 1463 01:04:22,275 --> 01:04:24,985 And you still had dna out there. 1464 01:04:25,070 --> 01:04:26,485 Yeah. You still have my dna. 1465 01:04:26,572 --> 01:04:27,987 There... it's still there. Yeah. 1466 01:04:28,072 --> 01:04:30,824 And I've never heard what... That it was cleared. 1467 01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:32,492 Well, I thought you said that... 1468 01:04:32,577 --> 01:04:34,661 No, because I never found out. 1469 01:04:34,746 --> 01:04:37,329 But you... you can find out yourself. 1470 01:04:37,373 --> 01:04:38,998 I can send you the form. 1471 01:04:39,083 --> 01:04:41,668 You just make the request and they'll tell you. 1472 01:04:41,753 --> 01:04:43,795 - Well... - There was a little part of me 1473 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,567 that was hoping you were gonna confess 1474 01:04:45,590 --> 01:04:47,215 to being D.B.Cooper today. 1475 01:04:47,259 --> 01:04:49,342 - A little part of you? - Yeah. 1476 01:04:49,427 --> 01:04:53,346 Oh. She really is this fbi. 1477 01:04:53,431 --> 01:04:57,641 - Yeah. - I just hope that... Whoever it is 1478 01:04:57,728 --> 01:04:59,686 takes some credit for it 1479 01:04:59,771 --> 01:05:02,355 before they die, if they're still alive 1480 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,775 because it's quite the accomplishment 1481 01:05:05,860 --> 01:05:07,740 and so many people have claimed it 1482 01:05:07,778 --> 01:05:10,530 or tried to steal it from this person saying, 1483 01:05:10,615 --> 01:05:12,594 "oh, I was D.B.Cooper." or in their deathbed, 1484 01:05:12,617 --> 01:05:14,429 or family members who will come out. 1485 01:05:14,452 --> 01:05:16,911 But it'll be nice if the person 1486 01:05:16,996 --> 01:05:19,914 doesn't let it go himself. 1487 01:05:22,628 --> 01:05:25,378 All right. Listen, I have to say goodbye. 1488 01:05:25,463 --> 01:05:27,547 - Yeah. Yeah. - Hey. 1489 01:05:27,632 --> 01:05:28,693 All right. You take care of yourself. 1490 01:05:28,717 --> 01:05:29,882 Yeah. 1491 01:05:29,967 --> 01:05:31,384 I will send you that form. 1492 01:05:31,469 --> 01:05:33,052 - All right. - All right? Is it... 1493 01:05:33,137 --> 01:05:34,615 - Uh, I will. - Then we can put this to rest. 1494 01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:35,597 - I'll go back... - Unless you wanna 1495 01:05:35,641 --> 01:05:36,992 - confess to me. - Huh? 1496 01:05:37,016 --> 01:05:38,391 Unless you wanna confess to me. 1497 01:05:38,476 --> 01:05:39,621 Oh, I got to get on my knees. 1498 01:05:39,644 --> 01:05:40,684 Yeah. 1499 01:05:40,771 --> 01:05:42,331 - Quality, sister. - You take... 1500 01:05:42,356 --> 01:05:43,938 You take care of yourself. 1501 01:05:44,023 --> 01:05:45,606 I'm gonna remember this forever. 1502 01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:46,858 Oh, well, good. I will, too. 1503 01:05:54,492 --> 01:05:56,117 Twelve years after he began 1504 01:05:56,161 --> 01:05:58,911 his obsessive search into D.B.Cooper, 1505 01:05:58,996 --> 01:06:00,704 eric ulis is in arizona 1506 01:06:00,791 --> 01:06:02,871 meeting with one of the only researchers ever 1507 01:06:02,918 --> 01:06:07,963 to be given access to cooper evidence by the fbi. 1508 01:06:08,005 --> 01:06:09,817 Eric hopes that he will finally learn 1509 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,634 that the man he believes could be D.B.Cooper... 1510 01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:14,469 Really is. 1511 01:06:15,806 --> 01:06:18,639 Tom kaye is a rockstar in the D.B.Cooper world 1512 01:06:18,724 --> 01:06:20,494 and the reason the guy is a rockstar 1513 01:06:20,518 --> 01:06:24,311 is because he actually got special access 1514 01:06:24,398 --> 01:06:27,940 to the evidence in 2008 as well as 2011. 1515 01:06:28,025 --> 01:06:30,818 Knowing this, it only makes sense to see 1516 01:06:30,862 --> 01:06:33,989 if tom kaye happened to extract 1517 01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:38,159 some of D.B.Cooper's dna while testing the tie. 1518 01:06:42,331 --> 01:06:43,831 - Eric, glad you made it. - Hey, tom. 1519 01:06:43,875 --> 01:06:45,103 - How you doing, man? - Good to see you. 1520 01:06:45,126 --> 01:06:46,501 Good to see you. Come on in. 1521 01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:50,005 Back in 2008, I was approached by a cooper group 1522 01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:52,673 that was looking for somebody to analyze the money 1523 01:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,217 that was found on tena bar 1524 01:06:54,302 --> 01:06:56,594 and have been buried there for a long time. 1525 01:06:56,679 --> 01:07:00,181 Then we went back to the fbi in 2011 and by that time, 1526 01:07:00,224 --> 01:07:02,891 we were working with special agent curtis ang 1527 01:07:02,978 --> 01:07:05,186 and he allowed us then to have access to the tie 1528 01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:08,565 specifically so we could do a series of tests 1529 01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:11,067 and we also vacuumed the tie for particles. 1530 01:07:11,152 --> 01:07:12,880 What we found that was really amazing 1531 01:07:12,903 --> 01:07:16,280 is we found metallic titanium on the tie. 1532 01:07:16,365 --> 01:07:19,367 Titanium is used to manufacture aircrafts 1533 01:07:19,452 --> 01:07:22,411 and is found at plane manufacturing plants 1534 01:07:22,496 --> 01:07:24,039 like the boeing facility 1535 01:07:24,123 --> 01:07:28,585 where sheridan worked from 1962 to 1964. 1536 01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:30,628 There were very few applications 1537 01:07:30,713 --> 01:07:34,298 for commercially pure titanium back in 1971. 1538 01:07:34,384 --> 01:07:36,885 And I know that some of my research has actually shown 1539 01:07:36,969 --> 01:07:40,722 that indeed the 727 itself specifically the engine 1540 01:07:40,766 --> 01:07:42,306 has commercially pure titanium. 1541 01:07:42,391 --> 01:07:44,893 At that time, titanium wasn't very common. 1542 01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:47,144 It was used primarily in aerospace 1543 01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:48,623 and also in the chemical industry. 1544 01:07:48,648 --> 01:07:51,648 So it goes a long ways towards narrowing down 1545 01:07:51,735 --> 01:07:53,735 criteria for D.B.Cooper. 1546 01:07:53,778 --> 01:07:55,360 Now, we knew how vitally important 1547 01:07:55,405 --> 01:07:56,780 the particles were on the tie 1548 01:07:56,864 --> 01:07:58,717 and we knew what we were looking for 1549 01:07:58,742 --> 01:08:02,284 is we hooked up a vacuum to a filter like this. 1550 01:08:02,369 --> 01:08:05,413 This is a sterile filter inside of a sterile jar. 1551 01:08:05,456 --> 01:08:08,416 We had a small nozzle coming out at the end here 1552 01:08:08,501 --> 01:08:11,001 and then we hook a vacuum to the back end of this 1553 01:08:11,088 --> 01:08:14,797 and we vacuum the tie including the knot of the tie. 1554 01:08:14,882 --> 01:08:18,342 The tie knot seems like the most logical place to look. 1555 01:08:18,427 --> 01:08:20,405 The place that would've been touched the most 1556 01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:21,679 by D.B.Cooper. 1557 01:08:21,765 --> 01:08:24,390 This filter that remains unopened to this day 1558 01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:27,268 has particles from D.B.Cooper's tie in it 1559 01:08:27,311 --> 01:08:30,939 but most importantly it also has cooper's dna in it. 1560 01:08:30,981 --> 01:08:33,483 The thing is there's only one shot with the dna here. 1561 01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:35,109 I will never see that again. 1562 01:08:35,153 --> 01:08:37,654 It is destroyed in the process of getting the dna. 1563 01:08:37,738 --> 01:08:39,509 I think that the lab that's been... 1564 01:08:39,533 --> 01:08:41,698 Appropriated for this job is a good one 1565 01:08:41,784 --> 01:08:43,118 and they'll do a good job. 1566 01:08:43,161 --> 01:08:44,889 The extent of the job that they can do 1567 01:08:44,912 --> 01:08:47,287 nobody knows yet, not even the lab. 1568 01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:50,375 Tom, I wanna thank you for entrusting us 1569 01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:54,796 with this very valuable D.B.Cooper evidence. 1570 01:08:54,881 --> 01:08:57,215 We're gonna take it, send it right off to the lab, 1571 01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:59,278 see what they can find out and I'll get back to you 1572 01:08:59,301 --> 01:09:00,695 with the results as soon as I have something. 1573 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,280 - Absolutely. - All right. All right, tom. 1574 01:09:02,305 --> 01:09:03,864 - Let's go get him. - Thanks. All right. 1575 01:09:04,932 --> 01:09:06,349 While eric waits to send 1576 01:09:06,434 --> 01:09:09,018 the envac tie sample to a florida lab 1577 01:09:09,104 --> 01:09:11,813 specializing in older forensics cases. 1578 01:09:11,898 --> 01:09:13,856 Former fbi agent mary jean fryar 1579 01:09:13,942 --> 01:09:17,985 receives an unexpected call from sheridan. 1580 01:09:18,029 --> 01:09:19,570 When I met with sheridan peterson, 1581 01:09:19,655 --> 01:09:22,990 I thought it was intriguing and kind of confusing. 1582 01:09:23,033 --> 01:09:26,327 They evidently found the guy that made the heist. 1583 01:09:26,412 --> 01:09:27,996 No. They never caught the guy. 1584 01:09:28,038 --> 01:09:29,497 Uh-huh. They didn't? 1585 01:09:29,541 --> 01:09:31,123 The fbi gave up on it and closed it. 1586 01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:32,936 - Oh, did they? - During the interview 1587 01:09:32,961 --> 01:09:34,418 I thought it wasn't him. 1588 01:09:34,503 --> 01:09:38,006 And then when he pulled out the passports, I said, 1589 01:09:38,048 --> 01:09:40,007 "oh. I think it be might him ." 1590 01:09:40,051 --> 01:09:43,552 so here's kathmandu in August of '71. 1591 01:09:43,637 --> 01:09:45,012 Now, you didn't have these 1592 01:09:45,055 --> 01:09:47,431 when I interviewed you way back when. 1593 01:09:47,516 --> 01:09:50,225 There are two faded stamps for nepal, for kathmandu 1594 01:09:50,311 --> 01:09:55,064 one ended late in 1971 before the hijacking 1595 01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,734 and then the other one started in April of 1972. 1596 01:09:58,819 --> 01:10:00,672 By the time the interview was over 1597 01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:03,655 I walked out thinking "I don't know anymore. 1598 01:10:03,699 --> 01:10:05,617 I'm totally confused." 1599 01:10:05,702 --> 01:10:08,328 probably about a month after I was up in santa rosa. 1600 01:10:08,371 --> 01:10:10,747 I called sheridan and I asked him, 1601 01:10:10,832 --> 01:10:12,560 "I thought you were gonna do the paperwork 1602 01:10:12,583 --> 01:10:15,376 and follow through with the dna filing." 1603 01:10:15,462 --> 01:10:17,921 and he said, "oh, you told me... 1604 01:10:18,006 --> 01:10:20,381 That I wasn't D.B.Cooper 1605 01:10:20,425 --> 01:10:22,841 and, you know, I don't think I'm gonna do it." 1606 01:10:22,886 --> 01:10:23,966 and then that was it. 1607 01:10:24,011 --> 01:10:26,136 The conversation ended. 1608 01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:28,890 And I hung up thinking, "oh, my god. 1609 01:10:28,975 --> 01:10:32,100 Now, that makes me really suspicious." 1610 01:10:32,186 --> 01:10:35,188 he just wants to keep it 'til he dies 1611 01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,024 which is probably how it's gonna play out. 1612 01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:43,988 Five weeks later, eric arrives back in california. 1613 01:10:44,073 --> 01:10:46,032 He setup a video conference meeting 1614 01:10:46,117 --> 01:10:47,951 with a senior analyst at the lab 1615 01:10:48,036 --> 01:10:50,118 comparing D.B.Cooper's dna 1616 01:10:50,204 --> 01:10:52,622 to one of sheridan's daughters. 1617 01:10:52,707 --> 01:10:54,082 If his theory is right 1618 01:10:54,167 --> 01:10:56,583 he may finally learn the true identity 1619 01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:58,211 of D.B.Cooper. 1620 01:10:58,296 --> 01:11:01,588 When I first embarked upon this investigation 1621 01:11:01,675 --> 01:11:04,300 I had no idea where it's gonna take me. 1622 01:11:04,386 --> 01:11:07,679 I had no idea who I was going to encounter. 1623 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:10,597 Let alone that I'd find a suspect 1624 01:11:10,641 --> 01:11:13,268 who couldn't be ruled out by the known facts. 1625 01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:16,186 According to sheridan his second wife 1626 01:11:16,273 --> 01:11:21,609 had passed away in 1977. 1627 01:11:21,653 --> 01:11:24,654 Well, he's lying about something. 1628 01:11:24,738 --> 01:11:30,033 I've often said that I believe with 98% certainty 1629 01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,328 that sheridan peterson could be D.B.Cooper. 1630 01:11:33,414 --> 01:11:36,332 But there's always been that missing two percent. 1631 01:11:36,417 --> 01:11:38,458 Because truthfully, 1632 01:11:38,502 --> 01:11:40,670 I've never been able to find the smoking gun. 1633 01:11:40,755 --> 01:11:42,838 There's an awful lot riding 1634 01:11:42,923 --> 01:11:44,465 on what the lab comes back with. 1635 01:11:49,139 --> 01:11:51,722 That could break the case wide open. 1636 01:11:51,807 --> 01:11:54,309 He'll be speaking to an analyst at the lab 1637 01:11:54,351 --> 01:11:56,144 tasked with testing a sample 1638 01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:57,520 taken directly from the tie 1639 01:11:57,604 --> 01:11:59,646 cooper left behind on the plane. 1640 01:11:59,733 --> 01:12:02,317 Should dna be found within the sample 1641 01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:05,778 the results could reopen a near 50-year-old case 1642 01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:07,822 and confirm eric's suspicions 1643 01:12:07,865 --> 01:12:09,990 about a person of interest. 1644 01:12:10,076 --> 01:12:12,118 How are you? 1645 01:12:12,162 --> 01:12:13,118 I'm good. How are you? 1646 01:12:13,162 --> 01:12:14,328 I'm doing well. 1647 01:12:14,372 --> 01:12:16,171 Well, my name is samantha wandzek 1648 01:12:16,207 --> 01:12:18,750 and I currently work at dna labs international, 1649 01:12:18,835 --> 01:12:20,167 we're a private laboratory 1650 01:12:20,252 --> 01:12:21,730 out of deerfield beach in florida 1651 01:12:21,755 --> 01:12:24,005 and we have clients in over 40 states. 1652 01:12:24,048 --> 01:12:26,798 So it's very easy to go back to any cold case 1653 01:12:26,842 --> 01:12:28,509 and find more work to be done. 1654 01:12:28,552 --> 01:12:29,988 So for this case, I was actually 1655 01:12:30,012 --> 01:12:31,261 the reporting analyst for it. 1656 01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:33,199 And how did you tackle this material 1657 01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:35,640 that I sent to you to try to ascertain whether or not 1658 01:12:35,726 --> 01:12:37,518 there's any dna or not? 1659 01:12:37,604 --> 01:12:39,186 Due to the size of the filter 1660 01:12:39,271 --> 01:12:41,439 we actually cut it out in teeny-tiny chunks 1661 01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,940 and then sent the whole filter for extraction. 1662 01:12:44,027 --> 01:12:46,860 That's the first stage of the dna testing process. 1663 01:12:46,904 --> 01:12:49,322 We then try to determine how much dna, if any, 1664 01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:50,823 is present in the sample. 1665 01:12:50,867 --> 01:12:52,283 If we have enough dna 1666 01:12:52,368 --> 01:12:54,409 we'll then send it forward for implication. 1667 01:12:54,496 --> 01:12:56,296 When you have cases that are old, 1668 01:12:56,331 --> 01:12:58,663 um, typically you'll see a sample will be degraded. 1669 01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:01,042 That dna is just gonna break apart over time 1670 01:13:01,086 --> 01:13:04,127 and you're just not gonna have as much intact dna. 1671 01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:06,963 But I was very surprised with the results. 1672 01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:11,219 So there was dna in the filter? 1673 01:13:11,261 --> 01:13:13,345 We did end up with a profile 1674 01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:15,555 from one male individual. 1675 01:13:15,641 --> 01:13:18,184 Is there some way to quantify like the strength? 1676 01:13:18,228 --> 01:13:19,579 I mean, is it one of these things 1677 01:13:19,604 --> 01:13:21,686 where one out of a billion people would... 1678 01:13:21,730 --> 01:13:23,814 Match this particular profile, 1679 01:13:23,899 --> 01:13:25,565 like, how strong is it? 1680 01:13:25,609 --> 01:13:27,109 What can it tell us? 1681 01:13:27,194 --> 01:13:30,195 Typically, once you have over 20 locations 1682 01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,073 you would have to see hundreds, 1683 01:13:32,117 --> 01:13:34,074 thousands, millions in planet earth, 1684 01:13:34,118 --> 01:13:35,930 that are staying in current population 1685 01:13:35,953 --> 01:13:38,078 to expect to see that profile one time. 1686 01:13:38,163 --> 01:13:40,372 So once you have over those 20 locations 1687 01:13:40,417 --> 01:13:42,166 it usually becomes very rare. 1688 01:13:42,252 --> 01:13:43,917 So what you're telling me 1689 01:13:44,002 --> 01:13:46,878 is that we are the very first people 1690 01:13:46,922 --> 01:13:50,757 outside of the fbi to actually have 1691 01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:53,427 D.B.Cooper's dna profile? 1692 01:13:53,512 --> 01:13:56,596 I'm anxious to find out what that means? 1693 01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,268 What can it tell us in comparison to dna profile 1694 01:14:00,310 --> 01:14:03,520 for one of sheridan peterson's daughters? 1695 01:14:03,605 --> 01:14:06,106 Does it match? 1696 01:14:08,485 --> 01:14:10,485 She is not the biological daughter 1697 01:14:10,572 --> 01:14:12,988 of the male donor that we found. 1698 01:14:13,073 --> 01:14:14,448 Wow. 1699 01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:16,177 That's a... that's a... That's stunning. 1700 01:14:16,202 --> 01:14:19,287 I mean, it's really remarkable 1701 01:14:19,372 --> 01:14:23,416 given everything I know about this guy. 1702 01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:25,710 It's a game changer obviously. 1703 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:29,463 The one thing that's very encouraging to me though 1704 01:14:29,506 --> 01:14:32,925 is that we have a very solid 1705 01:14:33,011 --> 01:14:35,970 dna profile from the tie. 1706 01:14:36,014 --> 01:14:39,140 Getting a dna profile is so important 1707 01:14:39,225 --> 01:14:42,393 because it can provide assurance to me and others 1708 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,313 that this case is actually solvable. 1709 01:14:45,398 --> 01:14:48,315 I do very much appreciate all the effort 1710 01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,650 that you folks put into this 1711 01:14:50,694 --> 01:14:52,506 and I'm just very grateful that we've got 1712 01:14:52,529 --> 01:14:54,988 a solid dna profile and I'm grateful 1713 01:14:55,073 --> 01:14:56,448 that we have some resolution 1714 01:14:56,533 --> 01:14:58,179 with respect to sheridan peterson. 1715 01:14:58,203 --> 01:14:59,993 So again, thank you very much 1716 01:15:00,037 --> 01:15:01,453 for your efforts and your time. 1717 01:15:01,497 --> 01:15:02,913 Please feel free to contact me 1718 01:15:02,998 --> 01:15:04,810 with any additional questions that you have. 1719 01:15:04,833 --> 01:15:05,957 We will do that. 1720 01:15:08,046 --> 01:15:10,837 Now, armed with new information from the lab. 1721 01:15:10,881 --> 01:15:15,176 Eric calls agent mary jean fryar to share the results. 1722 01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:19,680 Right now, I wanna give mary jean a call 1723 01:15:19,765 --> 01:15:23,141 and I wanna let her know what I have learned. 1724 01:15:23,228 --> 01:15:25,978 Because mary jean has really helped 1725 01:15:26,021 --> 01:15:27,688 move my investigation forward 1726 01:15:27,731 --> 01:15:29,981 and I'm sure she's gonna wanna know 1727 01:15:30,068 --> 01:15:33,152 what I've learned about the dna. 1728 01:15:33,238 --> 01:15:34,756 Hey, mary jean. How are you doing? 1729 01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:37,657 - It's eric ulis calling. - Hey, there. 1730 01:15:37,699 --> 01:15:40,283 I've got a dna update. 1731 01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:44,247 Finally have some results from the lab in florida. 1732 01:15:44,332 --> 01:15:49,710 They did come up with a full dna profile 1733 01:15:49,796 --> 01:15:51,378 and it's from a male. 1734 01:15:51,421 --> 01:15:52,837 I'm getting really excited. 1735 01:15:52,923 --> 01:15:54,840 My stomach is like a knot 1736 01:15:54,926 --> 01:15:57,842 because I'm hoping that it's him. 1737 01:15:57,886 --> 01:16:03,557 They proved 100% that the dna does not match. 1738 01:16:03,643 --> 01:16:05,560 Oh, damn. 1739 01:16:05,603 --> 01:16:10,230 Sheridan peterson is not D.B.Cooper. 1740 01:16:10,274 --> 01:16:12,065 Last conversation I have with sheridan 1741 01:16:12,109 --> 01:16:15,403 he point blank refused to go forward with the dna... 1742 01:16:15,445 --> 01:16:16,737 Get the dna results. 1743 01:16:16,823 --> 01:16:18,863 I am absolutely convinced 1744 01:16:18,949 --> 01:16:23,202 that the dna that we have is D.B.Cooper's dna. 1745 01:16:23,287 --> 01:16:26,037 So if anybody matches this dna profile 1746 01:16:26,082 --> 01:16:28,082 all 20 points that's your guy. 1747 01:16:28,126 --> 01:16:29,770 There's absolutely no doubt about it. 1748 01:16:29,793 --> 01:16:31,460 Can we run it in databases 1749 01:16:31,546 --> 01:16:34,588 and find him or is this a lost cause at this point? 1750 01:16:34,631 --> 01:16:36,716 They actually can utilize it 1751 01:16:36,801 --> 01:16:39,760 to run through the codis system but of course that involves, 1752 01:16:39,804 --> 01:16:41,886 uh, you know, law enforcement getting involved, 1753 01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:43,617 then the courts getting involved. 1754 01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,432 Eric, I think what you've done is... 1755 01:16:45,475 --> 01:16:47,059 More than the fbi ever did. 1756 01:16:47,145 --> 01:16:48,935 And I would think this is enough 1757 01:16:48,979 --> 01:16:50,438 that if we need law enforcement 1758 01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:52,458 they've got to take this back and reopen it. 1759 01:16:52,483 --> 01:16:54,108 This is damn good evidence. 1760 01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:56,130 This is better than I've ever come up with 1761 01:16:56,154 --> 01:16:58,279 and maybe they can actually solve this case 1762 01:16:58,323 --> 01:17:00,134 - with your help. - I honestly believe 1763 01:17:00,158 --> 01:17:02,867 we will eventually figure out who this guy was. 1764 01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:05,619 - Thank you very much. - Take care. 1765 01:17:05,662 --> 01:17:08,663 After narrowing down cooper's possible landing site 1766 01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:11,958 and eliminating an fbi person of interest. 1767 01:17:12,002 --> 01:17:13,586 Eric's even more determined 1768 01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:15,712 to continue his mission. 1769 01:17:15,797 --> 01:17:18,882 I feel very empowered at the moment. 1770 01:17:18,967 --> 01:17:21,469 I feel more motivated than ever. 1771 01:17:21,511 --> 01:17:24,471 Because having this dna profile 1772 01:17:24,515 --> 01:17:26,931 provides an outstanding blueprint 1773 01:17:26,975 --> 01:17:30,101 as I continue to pursue this case. 1774 01:17:30,188 --> 01:17:35,274 I am now actually armed with precisely what I need 1775 01:17:35,318 --> 01:17:38,444 to determine who D.B.Cooper was 1776 01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:41,488 and more importantly to prove it. 1777 01:17:41,532 --> 01:17:43,282 Time in the D.B.Cooper case 1778 01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:46,284 has served as a double edge sword. 1779 01:17:46,328 --> 01:17:47,744 In one sense you have, 1780 01:17:47,829 --> 01:17:49,350 you know, first-hand witnesses 1781 01:17:49,373 --> 01:17:52,166 that pass on and memories fade. 1782 01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:54,167 But in another sense 1783 01:17:54,212 --> 01:17:57,171 we have advances in science and technology. 1784 01:17:57,256 --> 01:17:59,673 And I think when all is said and done 1785 01:17:59,759 --> 01:18:02,134 time is going to be our friend 1786 01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:03,886 because I firmly believe 1787 01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:07,347 that this dna profile is ultimately 1788 01:18:07,432 --> 01:18:10,350 what's gonna break this case wide open 1789 01:18:10,395 --> 01:18:14,020 and is what is going to solve this case. 1790 01:18:14,064 --> 01:18:15,355 The identity of d.B. Cooper 1791 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:18,192 has haunted investigators for nearly five decades. 1792 01:18:18,235 --> 01:18:21,028 Who is the mysterious hijacker? 1793 01:18:21,072 --> 01:18:24,364 And will we ever finally discover his true identity? 1794 01:18:24,408 --> 01:18:27,201 I'm laurence fissburne, thank you for watching 1795 01:18:27,286 --> 01:18:29,662 history's greatest mysteries. 137793

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