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Morning, Lisbon.
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Morning. You close?
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No. Flat tire.
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All right.
Well, we'll talk when you get here.
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Oh, wait a minute.
Just 'cause I'm not there
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doesn't mean I
can't be of help.
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Hold on a sec.
What do you got?
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Victim's name is Michelle Karp...
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I'm putting you on speaker.
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19. She left the restaurant
where she worked around 11:00 P.M.
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Never made it home.
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Looks like she was
abducted and murdered.
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Her body was dumped here
sometime late last night.
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Dog walker found
her an hour ago.
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Thanks. All right.
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The body's on State Park land
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near a picnic area not
far from the road.
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How was she killed?
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Her throat was slit.
It looks pretty clean, precise.
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Mm. Blood?
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Hardly a drop.
She's fully clothed,
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so probably no sexual assault.
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Her hands and feet
are bound with wire.
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Small pebbles have been
placed on her eyes.
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Huh, nice touch.
Pebbles from the crime scene?
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It looks like it, yeah.
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And the--oh. And the wire?
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It's knotted.
Neatly, carefully.
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Someone took their time.
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Yeah, you're right.
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I didn't say anything.
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No, but you were
thinking something.
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You were thinking,
whoever did this
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has killed before many times.
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Yes, but I can't assume that.
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Trust your instincts, Lisbon.
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Hey, boss. Just got off the
phone with Fresno PD.
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The killer's M.O.
fits four other murders
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they've had in the
past 18 months.
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Looks like we've got
a serial killer.
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Huh? See?
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You called it, Lisbon.
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You called it!
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Sync by YYeTs, corrections by Alex1969
www.addic7ed.com
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Fresno PD sent over their
files about an hour ago.
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Here's what we got so far.
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The San Joaquin killer
abducts young girls,
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all between the
ages of 16 and 20.
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He takes them to a location
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where he binds their hands
and feet with wire,
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then cuts their throat
before dumping the bodies.
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Small objects found near
the crime scene are placed
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over their eyes--
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pebbles, pieces of glass,
and bottle caps so far.
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Any pattern to where
the bodies were found?
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No, it seems random, but we--
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Fresno PD
did say that all of the girls
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were taken at
opportune moments,
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often the only time of day
that they were left alone,
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meaning he stalks them
before he kills them.
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Does Fresno PD
have a suspect?
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Yep.
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Eight suspects?
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Yeah. Because of the lack
of forensic evidence,
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they haven't been able
to narrow down the list.
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All right.
Grab Cho, get the list of names,
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and talk to them one by one.
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Okay.
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What?
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Well, you're just going
through the motions.
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Yeah, it's called police work.
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Well, why not try
a fresh approach?
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Like what, tarot cards?
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Go directly to the one
that feels right.
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Look, these are all
viable suspects.
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The Fresno PD
did their job well.
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So you're just gonna do
the same job over again?
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Take a close look at these guys.
Use your intuition.
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Which one is guilty?
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I don't know.
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Oh, come on.
You've been a cop for a long time.
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What you don't know
is how much you know
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without knowing you know it.
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Take a guess and run with it.
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All right. Okay.
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- Okay.
- All right. Okay.
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Not him.
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Bow tie--no.
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Not him.
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Or him.
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It could be him.
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Sneaky eyes.
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On the other hand, he's
got a college education.
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Eh, that profiling blather--
forget about that.
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Go with your gut.
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There. In seconds,
you've whittled it down
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to a manageable
three suspects.
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Which one of these
guys jumps out at you?
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This one?
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Well, yeah, but
it's just a hunch.
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I don't even know why.
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Best kind of hunch.
As good a place to start as any.
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Nicely done, Lisbon.
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His name is Richard Haibach.
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He's 44 years old,
lives alone.
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He has an alibi for
two of the murders,
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but Fresno PD
logged complaints against him
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for loitering.
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Apparently he likes to park
outside local high schools,
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including one a
victim went to.
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That's all I got.
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All right.
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You mind waiting here?
I want to talk to him on my own.
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Sure.
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Richard Haibach?
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Who are you?
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I'm agent Lisbon with the CBI.
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You mind if I ask you
a few questions?
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Actually, I do.
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It shouldn't take long, sir.
Can I come in?
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Uh, not without a warrant.
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Okay. Uh, can you tell me
where you were last night?
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Home alone all night.
Why, was there another murder?
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I can't comment on an
ongoing investigation, sir.
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That means there was one.
I'm not dumb.
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I have said a hundred
times already,
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I've got nothing
to do with this.
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Sir, I didn't--
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you people just won't let go.
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I'm getting so tired of you
harassing me all the time.
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Mr. Haibach, I just
have a few questions,
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and then I'll be on my way.
I know the law.
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I don't have to answer
your damn questions.
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I don't have to to
tell you anything.
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Hey, boss.
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Anything? Update?
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Yeah, I checked out the other
two suspects on the list.
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The first has been out
of state all week.
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The FAA flight
list confirms it.
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The second was at home
with his wife, kids,
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and in-laws last night.
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Anyone else on the list?
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Cho's working those.
Half alibied out straightaway.
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He's starting on the
other half now.
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Hold off.
I want you two to canvas
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the area of the crime scene.
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See if you can put
Richard Haibach
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anywhere near
there last night.
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So? Is he our guy?
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I didn't get a good
feeling from him.
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So we'll start with
an intro, you know,
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background on the
San Joaquin killer,
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and then I'll go right into
questions for you two.
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Um, wait. Excuse me, gentlemen,
one moment, please.
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Paul, can you hold
the roll, please?
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Mr. Jane, how are you?
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Hello, Karen.
Okay, listen, I understand,
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but I have a new show now.
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It's a whole new
format, more intimate,
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none of that "gotcha" journalism
that they made me do.
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Oh. What'd they do, hold
your shoes hostage?
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Very funny.
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This week I'm taking
an in-depth look
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at the San Joaquin killer.
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I was hoping you'd join me for
the broadcast Thursday night,
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offer your insight and
personal experience.
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You don't need me.
You have special agent Wainright here.
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He's a good, honest man.
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Yes, but he doesn't pop
on camera the way you do.
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Oh, Karen, you flatter me.
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Good to see you. Be well.
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Let's go.
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Okay.
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With me today is special
agent Luther Wainright
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of the CBI--welcome--
and James Panzer,
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an investigative crime
reporter and blogger.
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Mr. Panzer,
we'll start with you.
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You've been tracking
the San Joaquin killer
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for how long now?
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Well, it's been, uh,
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nearly two years now, Karen.
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That's when he took the
life of Molly Maier,
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a young girl who lived just
down the street from me
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back in Fresno.
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Uh, that was his first
victim that we know of.
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And pursuing him is pretty
much your life now, right?
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You created a web site
devoted to his capture?
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Yes, that's right.
Molly's family--
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they're good people, and
they deserve justice.
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All his victims
deserve justice.
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I'm simply trying to
help achieve that goal.
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And s-special--
lieutenant Wainright...
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Special agent Wainright.
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Special agent-- and
special agent Wainright,
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how close are you
to that goal,
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to arresting the San
Joaquin killer?
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Well, Karen, we are
absolutely making progress.
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Working on a computer?
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What's next, ray
guns, teleporters?
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Hang on. Hey, Cho.
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Haibach wasn't
home last night.
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He was at a bodega close
to the crime scene
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about an hour before
Michelle Karp went missing.
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Owner ID'd him, said he was
parked in front of his store
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for 20 minutes before
he went inside.
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How close is close
to the crime scene?
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Hey, how far from the
crime scene are we?
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Six blocks.
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What?
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Six blocks.
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Six blocks.
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All right.
I'll work on judge Waters.
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The proximity and the
fact that Haibach lied
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should be enough to get him to
sign off on a search warrant.
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Okay.
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What?
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How do you not feel
that on your face?
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Feel what?
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James Panzer?
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Patrick Jane.
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Hello.
Thanks for meeting with me.
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Oh, anything I can do to
help with the investigation.
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So, James, what's your deal?
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You've devoted your life to the
capture of a serial killer.
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That's either very
saintly or very weird.
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Well, that's an odd
notion coming from you,
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and I know about you,
Mr. Jane.
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Ah, I thought you might.
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Red John did kill my family.
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Uh, what is it that
gives you cause?
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What did Molly
Maier mean to you?
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Well, I didn't know her.
I never spoke to her.
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I just saw her at the bus
stop a couple of times,
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but, uh, it was
such a brutal act.
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I mean, it was so
close to home that
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it had a visceral impact on
me that I couldn't shake.
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I don't know why.
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I mean, people search
for reason or meaning
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behind events in their lives,
when more often than not,
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there is none.
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Oh, uh, congratulations,
by the way.
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Thank you. For what?
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You killed Red John.
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Oh, that. Yes.
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What was that like?
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Yeah, uh...
not as satisfying as you might think.
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You know, something occurred
to me while I was reading
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- your web site.
- Yes?
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The people that post
comments on the site,
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uh, have you considered
that one of them might be
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the San Joaquin killer?
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Well, it's a possibility,
albeit a rather obvious one.
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You see, the San
Joaquin killer
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is not like other
serial killers.
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He doesn't kill for
the same reasons.
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He commits murder solely
for the immediate pleasure
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that he takes in the act.
258
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The media, other
people's reactions--
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that's irrelevant to him.
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A purist.
261
00:10:55,573 --> 00:10:59,932
Exactly. Consider the way
he murders his victims.
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He slits their throats
slowly, carefully,
263
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so he can watch the life
drain out of their eyes.
264
00:11:08,830 --> 00:11:11,310
Uh, I apologize if I'm
making you uncomfortable.
265
00:11:11,311 --> 00:11:13,554
Oh, no. It's in my wheelhouse.
266
00:11:13,684 --> 00:11:16,370
This killer has
come to consume me.
267
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Mr. Panzer, how would you feel
268
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about helping me with
this investigation?
269
00:11:21,576 --> 00:11:23,960
Well, there's nothing
I would like more.
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Excellent.
271
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Mr. Haibach, CBI. Open up.
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I told you, I'm through
answering your questions.
273
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I'm through being harassed.
274
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I have rights, like
anybody else, right?
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I don't want to have
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- to talk to you!
- This is a warrant to search the premises.
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Could you step aside, please?
278
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You clear the back.
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I'll wait here.
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Abuse of power--
that's what this is.
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Step aside.
282
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I said, step aside!
283
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Lisbon!
284
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Did you ID any of the women
in the photos yet?
285
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Some, but so far we haven't
been able to match any
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to the San Joaquin
killer's victims.
287
00:13:55,398 --> 00:13:57,889
Haibach would have burned them first.
He's not stupid.
288
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Keep on looking.
His lawyer's on his way.
289
00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,783
He won't talk
without his lawyer.
290
00:14:09,784 --> 00:14:12,984
He's been around the block a
few times with Fresno PD
291
00:14:13,283 --> 00:14:14,468
Hmm.
292
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"Hmm" what?
293
00:14:15,890 --> 00:14:17,969
He's a meticulous,
maladjusted loner
294
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who's into stalking young
women, and he has no alibi.
295
00:14:21,707 --> 00:14:23,466
Yeah, he certainly
looks the part.
296
00:14:23,470 --> 00:14:26,978
I like him for this.
I like him a lot.
297
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Hello?
298
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Hi. It's Patrick Jane.
299
00:14:37,688 --> 00:14:39,797
What's your take on
Richard Haibach?
300
00:14:40,019 --> 00:14:41,630
Oh, he's, uh, one
of the suspects
301
00:14:41,631 --> 00:14:44,176
that the Fresno PD
identified.
302
00:14:44,177 --> 00:14:46,551
Antisocial, underachiever--
303
00:14:46,552 --> 00:14:48,714
he's viable, but he doesn't
have the intelligence
304
00:14:48,715 --> 00:14:50,740
I'd be looking for in our man.
305
00:14:50,741 --> 00:14:54,058
Thanks. I don't disagree.
306
00:14:55,319 --> 00:14:57,316
It's said that the truest
motive for a serial killer
307
00:14:57,317 --> 00:14:59,282
often lies with
the first victim.
308
00:14:59,283 --> 00:15:00,326
Molly Maier.
309
00:15:00,327 --> 00:15:01,291
Yeah, I was wondering
310
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if you could introduce
me to her family.
311
00:15:03,393 --> 00:15:06,013
Yeah, I'd be happy to.
Give me an hour or so.
312
00:15:06,014 --> 00:15:07,522
Great. Thanks.
And then maybe we can go over
313
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some of your research
on the case?
314
00:15:09,147 --> 00:15:10,140
Yeah, sure.
315
00:15:10,141 --> 00:15:13,123
You could come by my apartment
after we visit the Maiers.
316
00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:14,431
Thanks.
317
00:15:14,735 --> 00:15:16,028
Okay.
318
00:15:32,059 --> 00:15:34,860
Molly had just turned
16 when she was killed.
319
00:15:34,861 --> 00:15:36,978
She didn't even have
her driver's license.
320
00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:39,681
She was walking home from
her girlfriend's house,
321
00:15:39,682 --> 00:15:41,257
never made it home.
322
00:15:43,587 --> 00:15:46,382
We've been following
the investigation.
323
00:15:46,403 --> 00:15:49,724
Jim's been good enough to keep
us up-to-date with the others.
324
00:15:49,790 --> 00:15:51,314
All those girls.
325
00:15:51,826 --> 00:15:53,001
I can't believe that
nobody's been able
326
00:15:53,002 --> 00:15:54,793
to catch up with this monster.
327
00:15:54,794 --> 00:15:57,263
We will, soon.
328
00:15:58,894 --> 00:16:00,273
I don't know.
329
00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:04,229
I don't know.
330
00:16:04,843 --> 00:16:05,864
Now don't lose hope.
331
00:16:05,865 --> 00:16:08,582
Molly wouldn't want
that, now, would she?
332
00:16:10,574 --> 00:16:12,281
No, she wouldn't.
333
00:16:14,571 --> 00:16:18,288
This killer will be brought to justice.
You have my word.
334
00:16:20,546 --> 00:16:22,201
You think I could take a
look at Molly's bedroom?
335
00:16:22,202 --> 00:16:24,299
No. I don't want...
336
00:16:28,305 --> 00:16:29,594
Of course.
337
00:16:30,730 --> 00:16:33,662
Tom, will you show
him upstairs?
338
00:16:36,165 --> 00:16:37,587
Thank you.
339
00:16:37,846 --> 00:16:39,517
It's okay.
340
00:16:48,587 --> 00:16:50,061
Sorry about the mess.
341
00:16:50,228 --> 00:16:52,308
We really should get
around to cleaning it up.
342
00:16:53,017 --> 00:16:55,491
Truth is, neither of us
has the heart for it.
343
00:17:07,681 --> 00:17:09,581
"Crap recital practice".
344
00:17:17,545 --> 00:17:19,740
D-do you mind, uh...
345
00:17:19,741 --> 00:17:22,053
Oh, uh, sure.
346
00:17:22,054 --> 00:17:23,249
Thank you.
347
00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:25,306
She loved to dance.
348
00:17:26,778 --> 00:17:30,133
That was, uh... her thing.
349
00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:40,519
Worked really hard at it.
350
00:17:47,343 --> 00:17:50,664
♪ I see trees of green ♪
351
00:17:51,808 --> 00:17:54,611
♪ Red roses, too ♪
352
00:17:55,209 --> 00:17:57,983
♪ I see them bloom ♪
353
00:17:58,396 --> 00:18:00,516
♪ For me and you ♪
354
00:18:00,820 --> 00:18:03,725
♪ And I think to myself ♪
355
00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:07,960
♪ What a wonderful world ♪
356
00:18:07,961 --> 00:18:10,227
Once she decided she
wanted to do something,
357
00:18:10,277 --> 00:18:11,881
there was no stopping her.
358
00:18:13,396 --> 00:18:15,851
Single-minded, determined.
359
00:18:17,515 --> 00:18:18,528
Just like her mother.
360
00:18:18,529 --> 00:18:20,822
♪And clouds of white ♪
361
00:18:21,776 --> 00:18:23,458
♪ The bright blessed day ♪
362
00:18:23,459 --> 00:18:26,297
Must have heard this
song a hundred times.
363
00:18:28,097 --> 00:18:30,601
♪And I think to myself ♪
364
00:18:33,008 --> 00:18:36,965
♪ What a wonderful world ♪
365
00:18:41,171 --> 00:18:43,684
♪ The colors of the rainbow ♪
366
00:18:44,406 --> 00:18:47,277
♪ So pretty in the sky ♪
367
00:18:47,687 --> 00:18:50,676
♪ Are also on the faces ♪
368
00:18:50,922 --> 00:18:53,577
♪ Of people going by ♪
369
00:18:55,527 --> 00:18:56,357
Counselor,
370
00:18:56,358 --> 00:18:58,740
we found dozens of
pictures of young women
371
00:18:58,741 --> 00:18:59,951
in your client's house.
372
00:18:59,952 --> 00:19:01,989
That's your justification
for holding him for murder?
373
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:04,235
That he took pictures?
He's a photographer.
374
00:19:04,236 --> 00:19:07,829
Sexually suggestive photographs
taken without consent.
375
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:10,759
Taken in public without
any complaints.
376
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,204
That's not even a misdemeanor.
That's a hobby.
377
00:19:13,205 --> 00:19:15,181
He lied about his whereabouts
the night of the murder.
378
00:19:15,182 --> 00:19:16,732
I was out taking photos.
379
00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:21,425
Shh.
Not exactly a capital offense.
380
00:19:21,426 --> 00:19:24,072
Meanwhile, my client
has had to endure
381
00:19:24,073 --> 00:19:26,719
continued police harassment
for a crime he didn't commit.
382
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,216
I did not kill those girls!
383
00:19:28,217 --> 00:19:30,336
Richard, do not
say another word.
384
00:19:30,724 --> 00:19:34,110
Agent Lisbon, either
release him now,
385
00:19:34,111 --> 00:19:37,918
or I'm bringing a harassment
lawsuit against you and the CBI
386
00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:39,765
first thing tomorrow morning.
387
00:19:43,228 --> 00:19:45,951
Mr. Haibach,
you're free to go.
388
00:19:47,188 --> 00:19:48,389
Thank you.
389
00:20:03,674 --> 00:20:06,746
My apartment's upstairs.
Pardon the mess.
390
00:20:13,923 --> 00:20:14,872
Wow.
391
00:20:17,935 --> 00:20:20,914
Newspaper articles,
background on the victims,
392
00:20:20,915 --> 00:20:24,123
interviews with the
victims' families--enjoy.
393
00:20:24,572 --> 00:20:25,788
Hard to know where to start.
394
00:20:26,271 --> 00:20:28,022
Uh, water? Soda? Coffee?
395
00:20:28,023 --> 00:20:30,117
Water would be great.
Can I just dig in?
396
00:20:30,118 --> 00:20:30,827
Oh, be my guest.
397
00:20:30,828 --> 00:20:31,803
Thank you.
398
00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:41,754
Crime scene...
399
00:21:10,482 --> 00:21:13,383
Hope you don't mind.
Music helps me think.
400
00:21:13,631 --> 00:21:16,525
Oh, not at all.
I'll put the water over here.
401
00:21:31,586 --> 00:21:34,375
The more I think about it, the
more I'm starting to believe
402
00:21:34,376 --> 00:21:36,304
that your analysis of
the San Joaquin killer
403
00:21:36,305 --> 00:21:37,486
may be wrong.
404
00:21:38,768 --> 00:21:39,731
How so?
405
00:21:39,761 --> 00:21:41,291
Well, you said he's a purist,
406
00:21:41,292 --> 00:21:44,572
a man who kills simply
for the pleasure of it.
407
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:48,964
I'm starting to think
he's a deeply damaged man
408
00:21:48,965 --> 00:21:51,320
who kills out of a
need for attention.
409
00:21:54,181 --> 00:21:56,153
Neglected as a
child, I'd guess.
410
00:21:57,991 --> 00:21:59,223
What do you think, Jim?
411
00:22:00,188 --> 00:22:02,275
Well, I think you
couldn't be more wrong.
412
00:22:04,902 --> 00:22:06,644
Look, I know the
San Joaquin killer
413
00:22:06,645 --> 00:22:08,912
better than anyone, as
you yourself have said.
414
00:22:08,976 --> 00:22:11,890
I've spent over a year
inhabiting his mind.
415
00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:14,726
This man is brilliant.
416
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,293
He's a genius who's run
circles around the police.
417
00:22:18,942 --> 00:22:21,307
He's killed at will
without repercussion.
418
00:22:24,387 --> 00:22:27,659
This is a man to be
feared, not pitied.
419
00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:31,310
Excuse me.
420
00:22:35,327 --> 00:22:36,248
Hello?
421
00:22:36,530 --> 00:22:39,781
Jane? SFPD
found another body.
422
00:22:40,758 --> 00:22:42,838
Looks like the San
Joaquin killer.
423
00:22:43,329 --> 00:22:44,276
Okay.
424
00:22:47,646 --> 00:22:48,935
It's him, isn't it?
425
00:22:50,619 --> 00:22:51,763
He's killed again.
426
00:22:56,619 --> 00:23:00,027
Name's Jill Reisert, 18.
It's the San Joaquin killer.
427
00:23:00,190 --> 00:23:02,329
Hands, feet bound
with the same wire,
428
00:23:02,421 --> 00:23:03,468
tighed in the same knot.
429
00:23:03,469 --> 00:23:05,486
Killed elsewhere,
dumped randomly.
430
00:23:06,009 --> 00:23:07,275
Pebbles on the eyes?
431
00:23:07,693 --> 00:23:09,601
No. No eyes.
432
00:23:20,553 --> 00:23:22,501
Only days after
the last murder.
433
00:23:23,354 --> 00:23:25,139
He has a taste for
attention now.
434
00:23:26,093 --> 00:23:28,048
Bigger city, bigger
stage, bigger violence.
435
00:23:28,049 --> 00:23:30,264
He's getting more and
more excited by it all.
436
00:23:30,355 --> 00:23:31,798
What time was she killed?
437
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:32,653
Based on the amount of rigor,
438
00:23:32,654 --> 00:23:34,295
coroner thinks it was
sometime this morning.
439
00:23:34,296 --> 00:23:36,475
Haibach was free by then.
He could have done it.
440
00:23:36,476 --> 00:23:39,117
No. I know who did this--
441
00:23:39,603 --> 00:23:40,408
James Panzer.
442
00:23:40,409 --> 00:23:43,579
Panzer?
The reporter covering the case?
443
00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:45,751
The Fresno PD
would have checked him out.
444
00:23:45,863 --> 00:23:46,432
They did.
445
00:23:46,433 --> 00:23:49,692
He had an alibi for two of the
murders, both faked somehow.
446
00:23:49,693 --> 00:23:51,519
Look into them if you don't
believe me, or don't.
447
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,909
I don't care.
I know it was him.
448
00:23:54,062 --> 00:23:54,973
Evidence.
449
00:23:55,127 --> 00:23:56,212
That's the problem.
450
00:23:56,213 --> 00:23:58,486
We don't have anything
linking him to the crime.
451
00:23:58,637 --> 00:24:00,555
FBI's pushing to
take over this case.
452
00:24:00,762 --> 00:24:02,794
I'm doing everything I can to
hold them off, but honestly,
453
00:24:02,795 --> 00:24:05,401
I don't have the pull.
We need an arrest.
454
00:24:05,539 --> 00:24:06,837
I'll get him.
I just need time.
455
00:24:06,838 --> 00:24:09,042
- Time we don't have.
- I said I'll get him.
456
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,786
Okay. How long do you need?
457
00:24:11,977 --> 00:24:13,785
I'll have him in custody
by the morning.
458
00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:19,489
Give you till the morning.
Good luck.
459
00:24:21,939 --> 00:24:24,470
Panzer knows everything
about this case.
460
00:24:24,696 --> 00:24:27,851
We've got no forensic
evidence and no eyewitnesses.
461
00:24:28,030 --> 00:24:29,544
How do you propose
we catch him?
462
00:24:29,545 --> 00:24:31,448
We take away what
he wants most.
463
00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:43,985
Mr. Jane.
464
00:24:47,173 --> 00:24:48,153
Any news?
465
00:24:48,404 --> 00:24:50,371
Uh, n-not now, Karen.
466
00:24:50,478 --> 00:24:52,509
Please, give us a
morsel, anything.
467
00:25:01,224 --> 00:25:02,532
Okay. We have a suspect.
468
00:25:02,533 --> 00:25:04,407
We'll be making an
arrest sometime tonight.
469
00:25:04,408 --> 00:25:06,752
We'll announce it to the press
first thing tomorrow morning.
470
00:25:06,753 --> 00:25:07,641
Who is it?
471
00:25:07,682 --> 00:25:09,214
You'll find out tomorrow.
472
00:25:09,233 --> 00:25:10,372
Come on, Patrick. I need more.
473
00:25:10,373 --> 00:25:12,615
Just tell me if it's one
of the previous suspects.
474
00:25:15,135 --> 00:25:16,379
It is, isn't it?
475
00:25:18,347 --> 00:25:19,783
You didn't hear it from me.
476
00:25:20,278 --> 00:25:21,055
You can trust me.
477
00:25:21,056 --> 00:25:23,546
No, I mean it, Karen.
You can't go public with this today.
478
00:25:23,547 --> 00:25:24,429
I'm only telling you
479
00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:26,597
so you're not caught off
guard tomorrow morning.
480
00:25:26,735 --> 00:25:29,813
Thank you. Wait. Patrick.
481
00:25:30,904 --> 00:25:31,680
The offer's still open
482
00:25:31,681 --> 00:25:33,377
if you want to come on
my show tomorrow night.
483
00:25:33,378 --> 00:25:36,077
Uh, yeah, thank you,
but no, thanks.
484
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,967
Just think about it.
That's all I ask.
485
00:25:37,968 --> 00:25:39,005
Sure.
486
00:25:39,594 --> 00:25:41,444
Dan. Dan.
487
00:25:43,134 --> 00:25:45,451
Call the office and
clear the 7:00 open.
488
00:25:46,179 --> 00:25:47,597
I've got a breaking story.
489
00:25:48,576 --> 00:25:50,044
All right. What's going on?
490
00:25:50,045 --> 00:25:52,286
Panzer committed these
murders out of hubris.
491
00:25:52,287 --> 00:25:54,525
He wants to create a mythology
around the San Joaquin killer.
492
00:25:54,526 --> 00:25:56,660
That's why he started
the web site.
493
00:25:56,873 --> 00:25:57,965
He doesn't just want to kill.
494
00:25:57,966 --> 00:25:59,740
He wants people to
be in awe of him.
495
00:25:59,741 --> 00:26:00,621
Yes?
496
00:26:00,622 --> 00:26:02,201
So we arrest someone
else for the murders,
497
00:26:02,202 --> 00:26:04,103
someone pathetic and unworthy,
498
00:26:04,104 --> 00:26:07,470
thus destroying his mythology
with one fatal blow.
499
00:26:07,471 --> 00:26:10,120
Panzer will go out and kill
again just to prove us wrong,
500
00:26:10,121 --> 00:26:12,061
and we will be there
waiting for him.
501
00:26:12,205 --> 00:26:13,630
Arrest somebody else?
502
00:26:15,254 --> 00:26:16,444
Ohh.
503
00:26:17,527 --> 00:26:18,580
Are you sure, boss?
504
00:26:19,654 --> 00:26:20,840
I got this.
505
00:26:22,074 --> 00:26:24,399
Oh, come on. You people just
don't quit, do you? Oh!
506
00:26:24,910 --> 00:26:26,066
You're under arrest.
507
00:26:26,081 --> 00:26:26,990
For what?
508
00:26:27,489 --> 00:26:28,776
We'll think of something.
509
00:26:31,422 --> 00:26:32,247
Hello?
510
00:26:32,347 --> 00:26:35,250
Mr. Panzer, it's Patrick.
I have some information.
511
00:26:40,718 --> 00:26:41,651
We got him.
512
00:26:42,022 --> 00:26:44,439
San Joaquin killer.
Made an arrest.
513
00:26:44,458 --> 00:26:46,208
Yeah, I heard something
about it on the news,
514
00:26:46,209 --> 00:26:47,887
but I didn't believe it.
Who is it?
515
00:26:47,888 --> 00:26:49,175
Richard Haibach.
516
00:26:49,209 --> 00:26:50,696
Well, I thought
he had an alibi.
517
00:26:50,697 --> 00:26:52,752
Faked.
Lied about the whole thing,
518
00:26:52,753 --> 00:26:54,463
which is not too
difficult to pull off
519
00:26:54,464 --> 00:26:55,824
if you know what you're doing.
520
00:26:55,825 --> 00:26:57,150
And you're certain
that it's him?
521
00:26:57,151 --> 00:26:59,434
We found pictures of
young women in his home.
522
00:26:59,823 --> 00:27:01,409
Two of the victims
were amongst them.
523
00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:03,108
Well, that doesn't
prove he's the killer.
524
00:27:03,109 --> 00:27:06,375
We found something else.
I can't comment on specifics,
525
00:27:06,376 --> 00:27:09,296
but the AG's
office is confident that it,
526
00:27:09,297 --> 00:27:11,824
along with Haibach's
proximity to the Karp murder
527
00:27:11,825 --> 00:27:15,113
and the photos will be
enough for a conviction.
528
00:27:15,834 --> 00:27:17,937
We'll announce it to the
press tomorrow morning.
529
00:27:18,387 --> 00:27:19,633
I wanted you to know first,
530
00:27:19,634 --> 00:27:22,550
given your...
personal attachment to the case.
531
00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:25,316
And I just wanted to stop by
532
00:27:25,317 --> 00:27:27,073
and say thanks for
your help, Jim.
533
00:27:27,074 --> 00:27:29,039
Oh, yes, of course.
534
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:31,682
Look, can I get you a
drink or something?
535
00:27:31,683 --> 00:27:35,319
No, thanks.
Do you mind if I use your restroom?
536
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,806
Oh, sure, sure.
Right--right over there.
537
00:27:36,807 --> 00:27:38,610
End of the hall here? Yes.
538
00:28:19,707 --> 00:28:22,412
You sure you don't want
a drink or a snack?
539
00:28:24,344 --> 00:28:26,954
Oh, no. I have to get going.
540
00:28:30,323 --> 00:28:32,613
You know, it's
funny, isn't it?
541
00:28:32,614 --> 00:28:33,443
What's that?
542
00:28:34,048 --> 00:28:36,304
We were both wrong about
the San Joaquin killer.
543
00:28:37,099 --> 00:28:40,286
He wasn't a purist, nor was he
a man desperate for attention.
544
00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:42,298
He was just a sick,
sexually deranged man
545
00:28:42,299 --> 00:28:44,200
that likes to take
pictures of little girls.
546
00:28:45,618 --> 00:28:48,887
Simple-minded pervert.
Good night.
547
00:29:14,045 --> 00:29:15,114
Come on.
548
00:29:21,245 --> 00:29:22,251
There he is.
549
00:29:41,128 --> 00:29:42,087
Wait.
550
00:30:12,141 --> 00:30:13,938
I'll call SFPD for backup.
551
00:30:20,474 --> 00:30:21,255
Jane!
552
00:30:39,548 --> 00:30:41,083
Ladies first.
553
00:30:55,005 --> 00:30:57,150
Um... Lisbon?
554
00:31:23,921 --> 00:31:25,573
Couldn't stay away, could you?
555
00:31:27,212 --> 00:31:29,818
Put your hands in the air.
Step back from the table.
556
00:31:29,819 --> 00:31:30,921
What are you doing here?
557
00:31:31,033 --> 00:31:33,439
I said put your hands
in the air now!
558
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:35,888
Look, you don't understand.
I j--
559
00:31:39,056 --> 00:31:40,191
What are you doing here?
560
00:31:42,281 --> 00:31:43,327
Turn the camera off.
561
00:31:43,738 --> 00:31:45,413
Karen called me
about an hour ago.
562
00:31:45,414 --> 00:31:48,207
She gave me this address.
She asked me to meet her here.
563
00:31:48,563 --> 00:31:51,184
I have never been here
before in my life.
564
00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,317
I said turn the camera off.
565
00:31:55,318 --> 00:31:56,370
Turn it off.
566
00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:00,494
You called him?
567
00:32:00,734 --> 00:32:03,120
He's the expert.
I wanted him to authenticate
568
00:32:03,121 --> 00:32:04,448
that this was, in
fact, the kill room
569
00:32:04,449 --> 00:32:06,179
used by the San
Joaquin killer.
570
00:32:06,482 --> 00:32:07,771
How did you know
about this place?
571
00:32:07,772 --> 00:32:11,040
She was contacted by him,
by the San Joaquin killer.
572
00:32:11,551 --> 00:32:14,255
Yes.
Just after my 7:00 broadcast,
573
00:32:14,256 --> 00:32:16,359
during which I announced the
CBI had someone in custody.
574
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,712
Someone texted me from
a blocked number,
575
00:32:18,713 --> 00:32:21,100
said he was the SJK
and then gave me this address.
576
00:32:21,568 --> 00:32:22,728
All right. Out.
577
00:32:22,974 --> 00:32:25,840
This is officially a CBI crime scene.
Let's go!
578
00:32:53,503 --> 00:32:55,978
I tried to tell you you
had the wrong man.
579
00:32:56,313 --> 00:32:57,486
You set this up.
580
00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:00,404
You knew we were
following you.
581
00:33:00,483 --> 00:33:02,078
I don't know what
you're talking about,
582
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,584
but I have to admit, I'm
very hurt by all this.
583
00:33:04,787 --> 00:33:07,018
I mean, here I thought you
were seeking my help,
584
00:33:07,019 --> 00:33:08,342
that we were kindred spirits.
585
00:33:09,191 --> 00:33:11,495
Where all along you
were just lying to me.
586
00:33:11,574 --> 00:33:12,480
You were using me.
587
00:33:13,918 --> 00:33:15,282
That kind of duplicity--
588
00:33:16,253 --> 00:33:18,789
leading a double life-- I
don't know how you do that.
589
00:33:37,306 --> 00:33:38,881
Agent Lisbon, Jane,
590
00:33:39,584 --> 00:33:41,896
I'd like you to meet FBI
special agent Susan Darcy.
591
00:33:43,502 --> 00:33:44,418
As of this morning,
592
00:33:44,419 --> 00:33:46,779
she and her team will be
taking over the investigation.
593
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:48,626
- Sir--
- No, it's okay. It's fine.
594
00:33:48,627 --> 00:33:51,018
The man you want
is James Panzer.
595
00:33:53,095 --> 00:33:55,036
What sort of evidence
do you have on Panzer?
596
00:33:55,174 --> 00:33:57,081
- Well, nothing--
- Nothing concrete.
597
00:33:57,082 --> 00:33:59,158
Not, uh, your kind
of evidence, anyhow.
598
00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:02,712
How about your
kind of evidence?
599
00:34:04,055 --> 00:34:06,340
His medicine cabinet
is too neat.
600
00:34:09,863 --> 00:34:11,650
That's an interesting
perspective.
601
00:34:12,264 --> 00:34:13,365
I'll absorb the case files
602
00:34:13,366 --> 00:34:15,280
and if Panzer looks like
a good unsub for us,
603
00:34:15,281 --> 00:34:17,944
you can be rest assured that
my team and I will be on him.
604
00:34:18,996 --> 00:34:20,045
No, you won't.
605
00:34:21,505 --> 00:34:22,056
Jane?
606
00:34:22,057 --> 00:34:24,089
While she's absorbing
the case files,
607
00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:25,401
Panzer will kill again.
608
00:34:25,402 --> 00:34:26,757
You're not being
constructive right now.
609
00:34:26,758 --> 00:34:27,403
I'm just being honest.
610
00:34:27,404 --> 00:34:28,281
It's okay.
611
00:34:29,943 --> 00:34:31,004
I understand you're upset.
612
00:34:31,005 --> 00:34:32,803
You have every
reason to be upset.
613
00:34:33,364 --> 00:34:35,648
I would be, too, if someone
was taking over my case.
614
00:34:36,192 --> 00:34:38,753
If he does kill again, it
will be my responsibility,
615
00:34:38,754 --> 00:34:40,293
and I will answer for it.
616
00:34:40,381 --> 00:34:42,076
But let me be very clear--
617
00:34:42,801 --> 00:34:46,495
this investigation is now under
the jurisdiction of the FBI.
618
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:48,080
It's all yours.
619
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,943
I'm gonna need those case files
as soon as possible, please.
620
00:34:55,944 --> 00:34:57,041
Yeah.
621
00:35:00,521 --> 00:35:01,270
Jane.
622
00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:04,343
Jane, you heard Wainright.
623
00:35:04,754 --> 00:35:05,875
Our hands are tied.
624
00:35:06,112 --> 00:35:07,000
Yeah.
625
00:35:10,917 --> 00:35:12,865
Yeah. Maybe yours are.
626
00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:25,432
Well, Karen, no disrespect
to the CBI or the FBI,
627
00:35:25,433 --> 00:35:28,268
but it's not a good sign
when a case as complex
628
00:35:28,269 --> 00:35:29,423
and important as this one
629
00:35:29,424 --> 00:35:31,497
is shuttled from
agency to agency.
630
00:35:31,498 --> 00:35:35,434
There's--there's a lack of
communication and consistency,
631
00:35:35,435 --> 00:35:38,521
there's a pointless
replication of effort.
632
00:35:38,522 --> 00:35:39,994
I mean, you see
the same problems
633
00:35:39,995 --> 00:35:41,953
in the search for
the Zodiac killer.
634
00:35:41,954 --> 00:35:43,361
Uh, hold that thought, James.
635
00:35:43,486 --> 00:35:45,627
We'll be right back
after a quick break.
636
00:35:45,628 --> 00:35:49,392
With our guest, James Panzer,
and a surprise special guest,
637
00:35:49,458 --> 00:35:51,707
CBI consultant Patrick Jane.
638
00:35:52,398 --> 00:35:53,880
And... clear.
639
00:35:54,445 --> 00:35:55,706
I hope you don't mind.
640
00:35:55,962 --> 00:35:56,923
But--
641
00:35:56,997 --> 00:35:58,011
Patrick.
642
00:35:58,373 --> 00:36:00,209
Thank you so much
for coming, really.
643
00:36:02,621 --> 00:36:03,327
Hi.
644
00:36:04,693 --> 00:36:06,083
We're getting Mr. Jane
mic-ed, yeah?
645
00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:07,072
Yes, we are.
646
00:36:10,624 --> 00:36:11,557
In five,
647
00:36:12,318 --> 00:36:14,112
four, three, two...
648
00:36:16,221 --> 00:36:19,197
Joining us now on this
SJK special edition
649
00:36:19,198 --> 00:36:22,087
is Patrick Jane, a
consultant with the CBI,
650
00:36:22,088 --> 00:36:25,269
who has his own amazing
story of terrible tragedy
651
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:27,840
and cold revenge.
Patrick, thank you for joining us.
652
00:36:27,841 --> 00:36:29,674
Oh, it's my pleasure, Karen.
James.
653
00:36:29,675 --> 00:36:32,228
In a nutshell, why has
the San Joaquin killer
654
00:36:32,229 --> 00:36:34,524
proven so difficult
to apprehend?
655
00:36:34,582 --> 00:36:35,970
Well, James is exactly right.
656
00:36:35,971 --> 00:36:37,896
There are too many
cooks in the kitchen.
657
00:36:37,897 --> 00:36:39,732
But I-I would also like to add
658
00:36:39,733 --> 00:36:42,002
that the San Joaquin killer
is very likely someone
659
00:36:42,003 --> 00:36:45,116
that has attached themselves
to the investigation somehow--
660
00:36:45,117 --> 00:36:48,145
someone, uh, hiding
in plain sight.
661
00:36:48,375 --> 00:36:49,654
That's interesting.
Is there anyone
662
00:36:49,655 --> 00:36:51,499
in particular that
you're thinking of?
663
00:36:51,675 --> 00:36:53,099
We have our suspicions.
664
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:54,430
Well, that sounds promising.
665
00:36:54,431 --> 00:36:56,956
Can we expect an
arrest anytime soon?
666
00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:57,926
Very likely.
667
00:36:58,003 --> 00:36:59,979
- Uh, Karen if I may ask Jane a question--
- Actually,
668
00:37:00,034 --> 00:37:02,107
- I would--
- Could you hold that thought, James?
669
00:37:02,108 --> 00:37:05,225
- Well, I--
- Can--can you elaborate on that, Patrick?
670
00:37:05,226 --> 00:37:05,987
Uh, what makes you think
671
00:37:05,988 --> 00:37:08,267
that the San Joaquin killer
will be caught soon?
672
00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:11,066
Well, he's become wrapped
up in his own mythology.
673
00:37:11,206 --> 00:37:14,495
Uh, he's drank his own
kool-aid, so to speak.
674
00:37:14,772 --> 00:37:17,640
Well, there is absolutely
nothing to suggest that.
675
00:37:17,641 --> 00:37:19,582
You're right, James,
I have no evidence,
676
00:37:19,583 --> 00:37:22,045
uh, just a good
sense of the man.
677
00:37:22,118 --> 00:37:24,529
The San Joaquin killer
is a sad little person
678
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:27,832
living in a fantasy world
of power and prestige.
679
00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:30,960
It's only a matter of time
before he makes a mistake.
680
00:37:32,401 --> 00:37:33,176
Jim?
681
00:37:33,177 --> 00:37:35,937
Well, I would like to say I believe
what Mr. Jane is saying,
682
00:37:35,938 --> 00:37:37,775
but I can't disagree more.
683
00:37:38,572 --> 00:37:41,869
I mean, this man is
smart, he is rational,
684
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:43,410
he's brilliant, in fact.
685
00:37:44,268 --> 00:37:47,006
I-I respect your
skills as a journalist
686
00:37:47,007 --> 00:37:49,521
and as a blogger, James, but
I do this for a living,
687
00:37:49,522 --> 00:37:52,313
and I don't think you know or
understand this man at all.
688
00:37:52,314 --> 00:37:54,451
Well, that's absurd!
I mean, that's just...
689
00:37:55,598 --> 00:37:59,462
That's... your opinion,
and I respect that.
690
00:38:00,468 --> 00:38:01,353
But, Patrick, I mean,
691
00:38:01,354 --> 00:38:03,535
I think you really should
consider the plain facts.
692
00:38:03,536 --> 00:38:04,989
James, hold that thought.
693
00:38:04,990 --> 00:38:06,302
Let--if I could just
respond here for a moment.
694
00:38:06,303 --> 00:38:08,716
And you'll have that
chance when we come back
695
00:38:08,717 --> 00:38:11,575
with more on the search for
the San Joaquin killer.
696
00:38:12,285 --> 00:38:14,444
We're clear.
30 seconds, everyone.
697
00:38:14,445 --> 00:38:16,014
Great stuff, guys.
698
00:38:30,541 --> 00:38:31,934
I know what you're doing.
699
00:38:34,473 --> 00:38:35,656
You think I'm stupid?
700
00:38:36,247 --> 00:38:37,100
Yes.
701
00:38:38,312 --> 00:38:40,128
You're not going to
ruin this for me.
702
00:38:42,957 --> 00:38:44,899
When we come back,
Jim, you're up.
703
00:38:45,671 --> 00:38:46,846
Ten seconds.
704
00:38:49,935 --> 00:38:51,670
In five, four,
705
00:38:51,906 --> 00:38:53,316
three, two...
706
00:38:53,686 --> 00:38:55,182
James Panzer may be the man
707
00:38:55,183 --> 00:38:57,594
who knows the San
Joaquin killer best.
708
00:38:57,755 --> 00:39:00,652
Tell us, Jim, will
he kill again?
709
00:39:00,692 --> 00:39:02,691
Well, Karen, I
hate to say this,
710
00:39:02,692 --> 00:39:05,943
but, yes, I-I think this
man will strike again,
711
00:39:05,944 --> 00:39:09,317
and I think that there will
be many, many more victims.
712
00:39:09,804 --> 00:39:11,248
A dark prediction.
713
00:39:11,491 --> 00:39:13,082
Uh, what makes you think that?
714
00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:17,266
Well, he is growing more bold
and more confident every day--
715
00:39:17,267 --> 00:39:19,918
more sure of his abilities
and his greatness.
716
00:39:19,919 --> 00:39:20,994
And why shouldn't he be?
717
00:39:20,995 --> 00:39:23,814
He's been able to evade
detection so easily,
718
00:39:23,815 --> 00:39:25,874
he is too good to be caught.
719
00:39:28,439 --> 00:39:29,529
Patrick, thoughts?
720
00:39:36,031 --> 00:39:36,945
Patrick?
721
00:39:38,837 --> 00:39:41,655
It's funny. Red John thought
exactly the same thing.
722
00:39:42,557 --> 00:39:45,083
Somehow I don't think
the San Joaquin killer
723
00:39:45,084 --> 00:39:48,048
will be quite as easy
to kill as Red John.
724
00:39:48,049 --> 00:39:49,467
You're very much mistaken.
725
00:39:50,293 --> 00:39:52,958
Red John was an accomplished
killer, no doubt,
726
00:39:52,959 --> 00:39:55,902
and I applaud you for
ridding us of him.
727
00:39:55,959 --> 00:39:59,458
But there is no comparison
to the San Joaquin killer.
728
00:39:59,863 --> 00:40:02,133
Red John was a
common sociopath--
729
00:40:02,286 --> 00:40:04,949
lazy, sloppy, delusional.
730
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:07,097
You really have no idea
what you're saying.
731
00:40:07,111 --> 00:40:07,721
Red John--
732
00:40:07,972 --> 00:40:08,961
Red John is dead.
733
00:40:10,570 --> 00:40:11,838
And the fact that
he allowed himself
734
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:14,565
to be caught and killed by
you just proves my point.
735
00:40:17,268 --> 00:40:20,937
Compared toSJK,
Red John was nothing--
736
00:40:21,415 --> 00:40:24,482
an amateur already forgotten.
737
00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:35,738
You, uh...
738
00:40:38,167 --> 00:40:39,842
you were very good out there.
739
00:40:41,173 --> 00:40:43,406
Well... thank you.
740
00:40:53,611 --> 00:40:54,695
I was good.
741
00:41:06,316 --> 00:41:07,106
Hello?
742
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,931
Where?
743
00:41:36,866 --> 00:41:37,902
What's happened?
744
00:41:38,518 --> 00:41:40,866
Panzer. See for yourself.
9999
00:00:0,500 --> 00:00:2,00
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