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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,043 --> 00:00:15,272 Morning, Lisbon. 2 00:00:15,273 --> 00:00:17,340 Morning. You close? 3 00:00:17,341 --> 00:00:19,207 No. Flat tire. 4 00:00:19,325 --> 00:00:21,231 All right. Well, we'll talk when you get here. 5 00:00:21,232 --> 00:00:22,742 Oh, wait a minute. Just 'cause I'm not there 6 00:00:22,743 --> 00:00:24,492 doesn't mean I can't be of help. 7 00:00:24,493 --> 00:00:26,350 Hold on a sec. What do you got? 8 00:00:26,351 --> 00:00:27,629 Victim's name is Michelle Karp... 9 00:00:27,630 --> 00:00:29,126 I'm putting you on speaker. 10 00:00:29,728 --> 00:00:32,524 19. She left the restaurant where she worked around 11:00 P.M. 11 00:00:32,525 --> 00:00:33,495 Never made it home. 12 00:00:33,496 --> 00:00:34,965 Looks like she was abducted and murdered. 13 00:00:34,966 --> 00:00:36,892 Her body was dumped here sometime late last night. 14 00:00:36,893 --> 00:00:38,173 Dog walker found her an hour ago. 15 00:00:38,174 --> 00:00:39,514 Thanks. All right. 16 00:00:40,849 --> 00:00:42,554 The body's on State Park land 17 00:00:42,555 --> 00:00:44,969 near a picnic area not far from the road. 18 00:00:44,970 --> 00:00:46,212 How was she killed? 19 00:00:46,307 --> 00:00:49,234 Her throat was slit. It looks pretty clean, precise. 20 00:00:49,235 --> 00:00:50,547 Mm. Blood? 21 00:00:50,548 --> 00:00:52,609 Hardly a drop. She's fully clothed, 22 00:00:52,610 --> 00:00:54,610 so probably no sexual assault. 23 00:00:54,827 --> 00:00:57,624 Her hands and feet are bound with wire. 24 00:00:57,625 --> 00:00:59,506 Small pebbles have been placed on her eyes. 25 00:00:59,507 --> 00:01:03,058 Huh, nice touch. Pebbles from the crime scene? 26 00:01:03,152 --> 00:01:04,660 It looks like it, yeah. 27 00:01:04,661 --> 00:01:07,456 And the--oh. And the wire? 28 00:01:08,118 --> 00:01:10,822 It's knotted. Neatly, carefully. 29 00:01:11,182 --> 00:01:12,773 Someone took their time. 30 00:01:16,061 --> 00:01:17,512 Yeah, you're right. 31 00:01:18,333 --> 00:01:19,605 I didn't say anything. 32 00:01:19,606 --> 00:01:20,755 No, but you were thinking something. 33 00:01:20,756 --> 00:01:22,370 You were thinking, whoever did this 34 00:01:22,371 --> 00:01:25,041 has killed before many times. 35 00:01:25,042 --> 00:01:26,922 Yes, but I can't assume that. 36 00:01:26,923 --> 00:01:28,865 Trust your instincts, Lisbon. 37 00:01:28,866 --> 00:01:32,080 Hey, boss. Just got off the phone with Fresno PD. 38 00:01:32,081 --> 00:01:33,361 The killer's M.O. fits four other murders 39 00:01:33,362 --> 00:01:35,438 they've had in the past 18 months. 40 00:01:35,507 --> 00:01:37,123 Looks like we've got a serial killer. 41 00:01:39,748 --> 00:01:41,337 Huh? See? 42 00:01:41,338 --> 00:01:43,073 You called it, Lisbon. 43 00:01:43,563 --> 00:01:45,253 You called it! 44 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Sync by YYeTs, corrections by Alex1969 www.addic7ed.com 45 00:02:00,926 --> 00:02:03,681 Fresno PD sent over their files about an hour ago. 46 00:02:03,682 --> 00:02:05,120 Here's what we got so far. 47 00:02:05,121 --> 00:02:07,506 The San Joaquin killer abducts young girls, 48 00:02:07,507 --> 00:02:09,812 all between the ages of 16 and 20. 49 00:02:09,813 --> 00:02:10,797 He takes them to a location 50 00:02:10,798 --> 00:02:12,629 where he binds their hands and feet with wire, 51 00:02:12,630 --> 00:02:14,877 then cuts their throat before dumping the bodies. 52 00:02:14,878 --> 00:02:16,574 Small objects found near the crime scene are placed 53 00:02:16,575 --> 00:02:17,885 over their eyes-- 54 00:02:17,911 --> 00:02:20,325 pebbles, pieces of glass, and bottle caps so far. 55 00:02:20,326 --> 00:02:21,921 Any pattern to where the bodies were found? 56 00:02:21,922 --> 00:02:22,923 No, it seems random, but we-- 57 00:02:22,924 --> 00:02:24,335 Fresno PD did say that all of the girls 58 00:02:24,336 --> 00:02:25,851 were taken at opportune moments, 59 00:02:25,852 --> 00:02:27,573 often the only time of day that they were left alone, 60 00:02:27,574 --> 00:02:29,169 meaning he stalks them before he kills them. 61 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:31,188 Does Fresno PD have a suspect? 62 00:02:31,189 --> 00:02:32,194 Yep. 63 00:02:34,351 --> 00:02:35,317 Eight suspects? 64 00:02:35,318 --> 00:02:37,207 Yeah. Because of the lack of forensic evidence, 65 00:02:37,208 --> 00:02:38,666 they haven't been able to narrow down the list. 66 00:02:38,667 --> 00:02:40,732 All right. Grab Cho, get the list of names, 67 00:02:40,733 --> 00:02:41,867 and talk to them one by one. 68 00:02:41,868 --> 00:02:42,821 Okay. 69 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:44,613 What? 70 00:02:44,614 --> 00:02:46,126 Well, you're just going through the motions. 71 00:02:46,127 --> 00:02:47,683 Yeah, it's called police work. 72 00:02:47,684 --> 00:02:49,491 Well, why not try a fresh approach? 73 00:02:49,492 --> 00:02:51,185 Like what, tarot cards? 74 00:02:51,541 --> 00:02:53,659 Go directly to the one that feels right. 75 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:55,819 Look, these are all viable suspects. 76 00:02:55,820 --> 00:02:57,518 The Fresno PD did their job well. 77 00:02:57,519 --> 00:02:59,956 So you're just gonna do the same job over again? 78 00:03:00,450 --> 00:03:03,357 Take a close look at these guys. Use your intuition. 79 00:03:03,358 --> 00:03:04,779 Which one is guilty? 80 00:03:06,604 --> 00:03:07,383 I don't know. 81 00:03:07,384 --> 00:03:09,315 Oh, come on. You've been a cop for a long time. 82 00:03:09,316 --> 00:03:10,580 What you don't know is how much you know 83 00:03:10,581 --> 00:03:11,803 without knowing you know it. 84 00:03:11,804 --> 00:03:13,848 Take a guess and run with it. 85 00:03:14,728 --> 00:03:15,685 All right. Okay. 86 00:03:15,686 --> 00:03:18,864 - Okay. - All right. Okay. 87 00:03:21,027 --> 00:03:22,168 Not him. 88 00:03:23,384 --> 00:03:24,807 Bow tie--no. 89 00:03:29,501 --> 00:03:30,686 Not him. 90 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,073 Or him. 91 00:03:38,375 --> 00:03:39,538 It could be him. 92 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:41,311 Sneaky eyes. 93 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:45,406 On the other hand, he's got a college education. 94 00:03:45,407 --> 00:03:47,321 Eh, that profiling blather-- forget about that. 95 00:03:47,322 --> 00:03:48,677 Go with your gut. 96 00:03:52,563 --> 00:03:54,458 There. In seconds, you've whittled it down 97 00:03:54,459 --> 00:03:56,462 to a manageable three suspects. 98 00:03:56,463 --> 00:03:58,870 Which one of these guys jumps out at you? 99 00:04:07,209 --> 00:04:08,210 This one? 100 00:04:08,976 --> 00:04:10,272 Well, yeah, but it's just a hunch. 101 00:04:10,273 --> 00:04:11,107 I don't even know why. 102 00:04:11,108 --> 00:04:14,636 Best kind of hunch. As good a place to start as any. 103 00:04:16,422 --> 00:04:18,060 Nicely done, Lisbon. 104 00:04:18,996 --> 00:04:20,419 His name is Richard Haibach. 105 00:04:20,420 --> 00:04:22,815 He's 44 years old, lives alone. 106 00:04:22,882 --> 00:04:24,350 He has an alibi for two of the murders, 107 00:04:24,351 --> 00:04:26,446 but Fresno PD logged complaints against him 108 00:04:26,447 --> 00:04:27,598 for loitering. 109 00:04:27,675 --> 00:04:30,320 Apparently he likes to park outside local high schools, 110 00:04:30,321 --> 00:04:31,795 including one a victim went to. 111 00:04:31,796 --> 00:04:32,833 That's all I got. 112 00:04:32,834 --> 00:04:33,915 All right. 113 00:04:35,664 --> 00:04:38,291 You mind waiting here? I want to talk to him on my own. 114 00:04:38,292 --> 00:04:39,241 Sure. 115 00:05:01,527 --> 00:05:02,835 Richard Haibach? 116 00:05:03,569 --> 00:05:04,206 Who are you? 117 00:05:04,207 --> 00:05:06,448 I'm agent Lisbon with the CBI. 118 00:05:06,530 --> 00:05:08,223 You mind if I ask you a few questions? 119 00:05:08,224 --> 00:05:09,645 Actually, I do. 120 00:05:09,718 --> 00:05:12,450 It shouldn't take long, sir. Can I come in? 121 00:05:12,451 --> 00:05:13,754 Uh, not without a warrant. 122 00:05:13,755 --> 00:05:16,868 Okay. Uh, can you tell me where you were last night? 123 00:05:16,869 --> 00:05:20,747 Home alone all night. Why, was there another murder? 124 00:05:20,748 --> 00:05:23,069 I can't comment on an ongoing investigation, sir. 125 00:05:23,070 --> 00:05:25,305 That means there was one. I'm not dumb. 126 00:05:25,306 --> 00:05:27,223 I have said a hundred times already, 127 00:05:27,224 --> 00:05:29,247 I've got nothing to do with this. 128 00:05:29,248 --> 00:05:30,194 Sir, I didn't-- 129 00:05:30,195 --> 00:05:31,765 you people just won't let go. 130 00:05:31,766 --> 00:05:34,265 I'm getting so tired of you harassing me all the time. 131 00:05:34,266 --> 00:05:36,595 Mr. Haibach, I just have a few questions, 132 00:05:36,596 --> 00:05:38,453 and then I'll be on my way. I know the law. 133 00:05:38,454 --> 00:05:39,946 I don't have to answer your damn questions. 134 00:05:39,947 --> 00:05:41,715 I don't have to to tell you anything. 135 00:06:01,178 --> 00:06:02,002 Hey, boss. 136 00:06:02,003 --> 00:06:03,315 Anything? Update? 137 00:06:03,316 --> 00:06:05,876 Yeah, I checked out the other two suspects on the list. 138 00:06:05,938 --> 00:06:07,420 The first has been out of state all week. 139 00:06:07,421 --> 00:06:09,325 The FAA flight list confirms it. 140 00:06:09,326 --> 00:06:10,750 The second was at home with his wife, kids, 141 00:06:10,751 --> 00:06:12,268 and in-laws last night. 142 00:06:12,269 --> 00:06:13,520 Anyone else on the list? 143 00:06:13,521 --> 00:06:15,650 Cho's working those. Half alibied out straightaway. 144 00:06:15,651 --> 00:06:17,047 He's starting on the other half now. 145 00:06:17,048 --> 00:06:18,780 Hold off. I want you two to canvas 146 00:06:18,781 --> 00:06:20,154 the area of the crime scene. 147 00:06:20,155 --> 00:06:21,610 See if you can put Richard Haibach 148 00:06:21,611 --> 00:06:23,524 anywhere near there last night. 149 00:06:24,513 --> 00:06:26,386 So? Is he our guy? 150 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,301 I didn't get a good feeling from him. 151 00:06:33,696 --> 00:06:34,779 So we'll start with an intro, you know, 152 00:06:34,780 --> 00:06:36,166 background on the San Joaquin killer, 153 00:06:36,167 --> 00:06:38,845 and then I'll go right into questions for you two. 154 00:06:40,563 --> 00:06:43,316 Um, wait. Excuse me, gentlemen, one moment, please. 155 00:06:43,317 --> 00:06:45,661 Paul, can you hold the roll, please? 156 00:06:47,464 --> 00:06:49,461 Mr. Jane, how are you? 157 00:06:51,337 --> 00:06:53,023 Hello, Karen. Okay, listen, I understand, 158 00:06:53,024 --> 00:06:54,389 but I have a new show now. 159 00:06:54,390 --> 00:06:56,298 It's a whole new format, more intimate, 160 00:06:56,299 --> 00:06:59,083 none of that "gotcha" journalism that they made me do. 161 00:07:00,889 --> 00:07:04,270 Oh. What'd they do, hold your shoes hostage? 162 00:07:04,312 --> 00:07:05,513 Very funny. 163 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,341 This week I'm taking an in-depth look 164 00:07:07,342 --> 00:07:08,396 at the San Joaquin killer. 165 00:07:08,397 --> 00:07:10,916 I was hoping you'd join me for the broadcast Thursday night, 166 00:07:10,917 --> 00:07:13,062 offer your insight and personal experience. 167 00:07:13,063 --> 00:07:15,363 You don't need me. You have special agent Wainright here. 168 00:07:15,364 --> 00:07:16,942 He's a good, honest man. 169 00:07:17,844 --> 00:07:19,884 Yes, but he doesn't pop on camera the way you do. 170 00:07:19,885 --> 00:07:21,973 Oh, Karen, you flatter me. 171 00:07:21,974 --> 00:07:24,215 Good to see you. Be well. 172 00:07:27,063 --> 00:07:27,597 Let's go. 173 00:07:27,598 --> 00:07:28,674 Okay. 174 00:07:30,881 --> 00:07:33,218 With me today is special agent Luther Wainright 175 00:07:33,219 --> 00:07:36,205 of the CBI--welcome-- and James Panzer, 176 00:07:36,206 --> 00:07:37,971 an investigative crime reporter and blogger. 177 00:07:37,972 --> 00:07:39,568 Mr. Panzer, we'll start with you. 178 00:07:39,569 --> 00:07:41,798 You've been tracking the San Joaquin killer 179 00:07:41,799 --> 00:07:43,127 for how long now? 180 00:07:43,128 --> 00:07:44,240 Well, it's been, uh, 181 00:07:44,241 --> 00:07:45,760 nearly two years now, Karen. 182 00:07:45,761 --> 00:07:48,473 That's when he took the life of Molly Maier, 183 00:07:48,474 --> 00:07:50,470 a young girl who lived just down the street from me 184 00:07:50,471 --> 00:07:51,839 back in Fresno. 185 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,353 Uh, that was his first victim that we know of. 186 00:07:54,412 --> 00:07:56,453 And pursuing him is pretty much your life now, right? 187 00:07:56,454 --> 00:07:59,243 You created a web site devoted to his capture? 188 00:07:59,244 --> 00:08:00,813 Yes, that's right. Molly's family-- 189 00:08:00,814 --> 00:08:02,835 they're good people, and they deserve justice. 190 00:08:02,836 --> 00:08:05,159 All his victims deserve justice. 191 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,743 I'm simply trying to help achieve that goal. 192 00:08:08,234 --> 00:08:10,012 And s-special-- lieutenant Wainright... 193 00:08:10,013 --> 00:08:10,921 Special agent Wainright. 194 00:08:10,922 --> 00:08:12,663 Special agent-- and special agent Wainright, 195 00:08:12,664 --> 00:08:14,844 how close are you to that goal, 196 00:08:14,845 --> 00:08:17,267 to arresting the San Joaquin killer? 197 00:08:17,579 --> 00:08:20,359 Well, Karen, we are absolutely making progress. 198 00:08:27,624 --> 00:08:28,993 Working on a computer? 199 00:08:28,994 --> 00:08:31,869 What's next, ray guns, teleporters? 200 00:08:32,605 --> 00:08:35,400 Hang on. Hey, Cho. 201 00:08:35,427 --> 00:08:36,965 Haibach wasn't home last night. 202 00:08:36,966 --> 00:08:38,521 He was at a bodega close to the crime scene 203 00:08:38,522 --> 00:08:40,905 about an hour before Michelle Karp went missing. 204 00:08:41,038 --> 00:08:43,408 Owner ID'd him, said he was parked in front of his store 205 00:08:43,409 --> 00:08:45,162 for 20 minutes before he went inside. 206 00:08:45,163 --> 00:08:47,402 How close is close to the crime scene? 207 00:08:48,347 --> 00:08:49,765 Hey, how far from the crime scene are we? 208 00:08:49,766 --> 00:08:51,025 Six blocks. 209 00:08:51,329 --> 00:08:52,412 What? 210 00:08:52,413 --> 00:08:53,804 Six blocks. 211 00:08:54,153 --> 00:08:55,110 Six blocks. 212 00:08:55,111 --> 00:08:56,755 All right. I'll work on judge Waters. 213 00:08:56,756 --> 00:08:58,804 The proximity and the fact that Haibach lied 214 00:08:58,805 --> 00:09:01,557 should be enough to get him to sign off on a search warrant. 215 00:09:01,678 --> 00:09:02,645 Okay. 216 00:09:05,856 --> 00:09:06,802 What? 217 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:09,389 How do you not feel that on your face? 218 00:09:09,405 --> 00:09:10,482 Feel what? 219 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,682 James Panzer? 220 00:09:24,515 --> 00:09:25,188 Patrick Jane. 221 00:09:25,189 --> 00:09:26,770 Hello. Thanks for meeting with me. 222 00:09:26,771 --> 00:09:29,484 Oh, anything I can do to help with the investigation. 223 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:32,614 So, James, what's your deal? 224 00:09:32,868 --> 00:09:35,070 You've devoted your life to the capture of a serial killer. 225 00:09:35,071 --> 00:09:38,566 That's either very saintly or very weird. 226 00:09:38,567 --> 00:09:40,509 Well, that's an odd notion coming from you, 227 00:09:40,510 --> 00:09:42,458 and I know about you, Mr. Jane. 228 00:09:42,459 --> 00:09:44,504 Ah, I thought you might. 229 00:09:45,078 --> 00:09:47,289 Red John did kill my family. 230 00:09:47,290 --> 00:09:49,069 Uh, what is it that gives you cause? 231 00:09:49,070 --> 00:09:51,116 What did Molly Maier mean to you? 232 00:09:51,117 --> 00:09:53,198 Well, I didn't know her. I never spoke to her. 233 00:09:53,199 --> 00:09:55,670 I just saw her at the bus stop a couple of times, 234 00:09:55,671 --> 00:09:58,104 but, uh, it was such a brutal act. 235 00:09:58,105 --> 00:09:59,492 I mean, it was so close to home that 236 00:09:59,493 --> 00:10:02,062 it had a visceral impact on me that I couldn't shake. 237 00:10:02,063 --> 00:10:03,342 I don't know why. 238 00:10:03,492 --> 00:10:06,144 I mean, people search for reason or meaning 239 00:10:06,145 --> 00:10:08,279 behind events in their lives, when more often than not, 240 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,399 there is none. 241 00:10:10,513 --> 00:10:12,943 Oh, uh, congratulations, by the way. 242 00:10:12,944 --> 00:10:15,506 Thank you. For what? 243 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:17,686 You killed Red John. 244 00:10:17,739 --> 00:10:20,250 Oh, that. Yes. 245 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:21,925 What was that like? 246 00:10:22,176 --> 00:10:26,041 Yeah, uh... not as satisfying as you might think. 247 00:10:26,361 --> 00:10:28,302 You know, something occurred to me while I was reading 248 00:10:28,303 --> 00:10:29,899 - your web site. - Yes? 249 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:32,359 The people that post comments on the site, 250 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,077 uh, have you considered that one of them might be 251 00:10:34,078 --> 00:10:35,493 the San Joaquin killer? 252 00:10:35,494 --> 00:10:39,155 Well, it's a possibility, albeit a rather obvious one. 253 00:10:39,156 --> 00:10:40,701 You see, the San Joaquin killer 254 00:10:40,702 --> 00:10:42,977 is not like other serial killers. 255 00:10:42,978 --> 00:10:45,289 He doesn't kill for the same reasons. 256 00:10:45,290 --> 00:10:48,643 He commits murder solely for the immediate pleasure 257 00:10:48,644 --> 00:10:50,483 that he takes in the act. 258 00:10:50,484 --> 00:10:52,924 The media, other people's reactions-- 259 00:10:52,925 --> 00:10:54,712 that's irrelevant to him. 260 00:10:54,713 --> 00:10:55,572 A purist. 261 00:10:55,573 --> 00:10:59,932 Exactly. Consider the way he murders his victims. 262 00:10:59,933 --> 00:11:03,667 He slits their throats slowly, carefully, 263 00:11:03,690 --> 00:11:06,830 so he can watch the life drain out of their eyes. 264 00:11:08,830 --> 00:11:11,310 Uh, I apologize if I'm making you uncomfortable. 265 00:11:11,311 --> 00:11:13,554 Oh, no. It's in my wheelhouse. 266 00:11:13,684 --> 00:11:16,370 This killer has come to consume me. 267 00:11:18,119 --> 00:11:19,144 Mr. Panzer, how would you feel 268 00:11:19,145 --> 00:11:21,575 about helping me with this investigation? 269 00:11:21,576 --> 00:11:23,960 Well, there's nothing I would like more. 270 00:11:23,961 --> 00:11:25,164 Excellent. 271 00:11:28,657 --> 00:11:31,381 Mr. Haibach, CBI. Open up. 272 00:11:32,398 --> 00:11:34,517 I told you, I'm through answering your questions. 273 00:11:34,518 --> 00:11:36,283 I'm through being harassed. 274 00:11:36,284 --> 00:11:38,258 I have rights, like anybody else, right? 275 00:11:38,259 --> 00:11:38,962 I don't want to have 276 00:11:38,963 --> 00:11:41,110 - to talk to you! - This is a warrant to search the premises. 277 00:11:41,111 --> 00:11:43,248 Could you step aside, please? 278 00:11:49,892 --> 00:11:50,855 You clear the back. 279 00:11:50,856 --> 00:11:52,020 I'll wait here. 280 00:12:38,034 --> 00:12:40,096 Abuse of power-- that's what this is. 281 00:13:19,393 --> 00:13:20,882 Step aside. 282 00:13:23,075 --> 00:13:25,490 I said, step aside! 283 00:13:36,998 --> 00:13:38,376 Lisbon! 284 00:13:49,623 --> 00:13:51,654 Did you ID any of the women in the photos yet? 285 00:13:51,655 --> 00:13:53,767 Some, but so far we haven't been able to match any 286 00:13:53,768 --> 00:13:55,397 to the San Joaquin killer's victims. 287 00:13:55,398 --> 00:13:57,889 Haibach would have burned them first. He's not stupid. 288 00:13:57,890 --> 00:13:59,972 Keep on looking. His lawyer's on his way. 289 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,783 He won't talk without his lawyer. 290 00:14:09,784 --> 00:14:12,984 He's been around the block a few times with Fresno PD 291 00:14:13,283 --> 00:14:14,468 Hmm. 292 00:14:14,536 --> 00:14:15,889 "Hmm" what? 293 00:14:15,890 --> 00:14:17,969 He's a meticulous, maladjusted loner 294 00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:21,706 who's into stalking young women, and he has no alibi. 295 00:14:21,707 --> 00:14:23,466 Yeah, he certainly looks the part. 296 00:14:23,470 --> 00:14:26,978 I like him for this. I like him a lot. 297 00:14:34,906 --> 00:14:36,086 Hello? 298 00:14:36,087 --> 00:14:37,559 Hi. It's Patrick Jane. 299 00:14:37,688 --> 00:14:39,797 What's your take on Richard Haibach? 300 00:14:40,019 --> 00:14:41,630 Oh, he's, uh, one of the suspects 301 00:14:41,631 --> 00:14:44,176 that the Fresno PD identified. 302 00:14:44,177 --> 00:14:46,551 Antisocial, underachiever-- 303 00:14:46,552 --> 00:14:48,714 he's viable, but he doesn't have the intelligence 304 00:14:48,715 --> 00:14:50,740 I'd be looking for in our man. 305 00:14:50,741 --> 00:14:54,058 Thanks. I don't disagree. 306 00:14:55,319 --> 00:14:57,316 It's said that the truest motive for a serial killer 307 00:14:57,317 --> 00:14:59,282 often lies with the first victim. 308 00:14:59,283 --> 00:15:00,326 Molly Maier. 309 00:15:00,327 --> 00:15:01,291 Yeah, I was wondering 310 00:15:01,292 --> 00:15:03,392 if you could introduce me to her family. 311 00:15:03,393 --> 00:15:06,013 Yeah, I'd be happy to. Give me an hour or so. 312 00:15:06,014 --> 00:15:07,522 Great. Thanks. And then maybe we can go over 313 00:15:07,523 --> 00:15:09,146 some of your research on the case? 314 00:15:09,147 --> 00:15:10,140 Yeah, sure. 315 00:15:10,141 --> 00:15:13,123 You could come by my apartment after we visit the Maiers. 316 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:14,431 Thanks. 317 00:15:14,735 --> 00:15:16,028 Okay. 318 00:15:32,059 --> 00:15:34,860 Molly had just turned 16 when she was killed. 319 00:15:34,861 --> 00:15:36,978 She didn't even have her driver's license. 320 00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:39,681 She was walking home from her girlfriend's house, 321 00:15:39,682 --> 00:15:41,257 never made it home. 322 00:15:43,587 --> 00:15:46,382 We've been following the investigation. 323 00:15:46,403 --> 00:15:49,724 Jim's been good enough to keep us up-to-date with the others. 324 00:15:49,790 --> 00:15:51,314 All those girls. 325 00:15:51,826 --> 00:15:53,001 I can't believe that nobody's been able 326 00:15:53,002 --> 00:15:54,793 to catch up with this monster. 327 00:15:54,794 --> 00:15:57,263 We will, soon. 328 00:15:58,894 --> 00:16:00,273 I don't know. 329 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:04,229 I don't know. 330 00:16:04,843 --> 00:16:05,864 Now don't lose hope. 331 00:16:05,865 --> 00:16:08,582 Molly wouldn't want that, now, would she? 332 00:16:10,574 --> 00:16:12,281 No, she wouldn't. 333 00:16:14,571 --> 00:16:18,288 This killer will be brought to justice. You have my word. 334 00:16:20,546 --> 00:16:22,201 You think I could take a look at Molly's bedroom? 335 00:16:22,202 --> 00:16:24,299 No. I don't want... 336 00:16:28,305 --> 00:16:29,594 Of course. 337 00:16:30,730 --> 00:16:33,662 Tom, will you show him upstairs? 338 00:16:36,165 --> 00:16:37,587 Thank you. 339 00:16:37,846 --> 00:16:39,517 It's okay. 340 00:16:48,587 --> 00:16:50,061 Sorry about the mess. 341 00:16:50,228 --> 00:16:52,308 We really should get around to cleaning it up. 342 00:16:53,017 --> 00:16:55,491 Truth is, neither of us has the heart for it. 343 00:17:07,681 --> 00:17:09,581 "Crap recital practice". 344 00:17:17,545 --> 00:17:19,740 D-do you mind, uh... 345 00:17:19,741 --> 00:17:22,053 Oh, uh, sure. 346 00:17:22,054 --> 00:17:23,249 Thank you. 347 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:25,306 She loved to dance. 348 00:17:26,778 --> 00:17:30,133 That was, uh... her thing. 349 00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:40,519 Worked really hard at it. 350 00:17:47,343 --> 00:17:50,664 ♪ I see trees of green ♪ 351 00:17:51,808 --> 00:17:54,611 ♪ Red roses, too ♪ 352 00:17:55,209 --> 00:17:57,983 ♪ I see them bloom ♪ 353 00:17:58,396 --> 00:18:00,516 ♪ For me and you ♪ 354 00:18:00,820 --> 00:18:03,725 ♪ And I think to myself ♪ 355 00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:07,960 ♪ What a wonderful world ♪ 356 00:18:07,961 --> 00:18:10,227 Once she decided she wanted to do something, 357 00:18:10,277 --> 00:18:11,881 there was no stopping her. 358 00:18:13,396 --> 00:18:15,851 Single-minded, determined. 359 00:18:17,515 --> 00:18:18,528 Just like her mother. 360 00:18:18,529 --> 00:18:20,822 ♪And clouds of white ♪ 361 00:18:21,776 --> 00:18:23,458 ♪ The bright blessed day ♪ 362 00:18:23,459 --> 00:18:26,297 Must have heard this song a hundred times. 363 00:18:28,097 --> 00:18:30,601 ♪And I think to myself ♪ 364 00:18:33,008 --> 00:18:36,965 ♪ What a wonderful world ♪ 365 00:18:41,171 --> 00:18:43,684 ♪ The colors of the rainbow ♪ 366 00:18:44,406 --> 00:18:47,277 ♪ So pretty in the sky ♪ 367 00:18:47,687 --> 00:18:50,676 ♪ Are also on the faces ♪ 368 00:18:50,922 --> 00:18:53,577 ♪ Of people going by ♪ 369 00:18:55,527 --> 00:18:56,357 Counselor, 370 00:18:56,358 --> 00:18:58,740 we found dozens of pictures of young women 371 00:18:58,741 --> 00:18:59,951 in your client's house. 372 00:18:59,952 --> 00:19:01,989 That's your justification for holding him for murder? 373 00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:04,235 That he took pictures? He's a photographer. 374 00:19:04,236 --> 00:19:07,829 Sexually suggestive photographs taken without consent. 375 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:10,759 Taken in public without any complaints. 376 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,204 That's not even a misdemeanor. That's a hobby. 377 00:19:13,205 --> 00:19:15,181 He lied about his whereabouts the night of the murder. 378 00:19:15,182 --> 00:19:16,732 I was out taking photos. 379 00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:21,425 Shh. Not exactly a capital offense. 380 00:19:21,426 --> 00:19:24,072 Meanwhile, my client has had to endure 381 00:19:24,073 --> 00:19:26,719 continued police harassment for a crime he didn't commit. 382 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,216 I did not kill those girls! 383 00:19:28,217 --> 00:19:30,336 Richard, do not say another word. 384 00:19:30,724 --> 00:19:34,110 Agent Lisbon, either release him now, 385 00:19:34,111 --> 00:19:37,918 or I'm bringing a harassment lawsuit against you and the CBI 386 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:39,765 first thing tomorrow morning. 387 00:19:43,228 --> 00:19:45,951 Mr. Haibach, you're free to go. 388 00:19:47,188 --> 00:19:48,389 Thank you. 389 00:20:03,674 --> 00:20:06,746 My apartment's upstairs. Pardon the mess. 390 00:20:13,923 --> 00:20:14,872 Wow. 391 00:20:17,935 --> 00:20:20,914 Newspaper articles, background on the victims, 392 00:20:20,915 --> 00:20:24,123 interviews with the victims' families--enjoy. 393 00:20:24,572 --> 00:20:25,788 Hard to know where to start. 394 00:20:26,271 --> 00:20:28,022 Uh, water? Soda? Coffee? 395 00:20:28,023 --> 00:20:30,117 Water would be great. Can I just dig in? 396 00:20:30,118 --> 00:20:30,827 Oh, be my guest. 397 00:20:30,828 --> 00:20:31,803 Thank you. 398 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:41,754 Crime scene... 399 00:21:10,482 --> 00:21:13,383 Hope you don't mind. Music helps me think. 400 00:21:13,631 --> 00:21:16,525 Oh, not at all. I'll put the water over here. 401 00:21:31,586 --> 00:21:34,375 The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe 402 00:21:34,376 --> 00:21:36,304 that your analysis of the San Joaquin killer 403 00:21:36,305 --> 00:21:37,486 may be wrong. 404 00:21:38,768 --> 00:21:39,731 How so? 405 00:21:39,761 --> 00:21:41,291 Well, you said he's a purist, 406 00:21:41,292 --> 00:21:44,572 a man who kills simply for the pleasure of it. 407 00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:48,964 I'm starting to think he's a deeply damaged man 408 00:21:48,965 --> 00:21:51,320 who kills out of a need for attention. 409 00:21:54,181 --> 00:21:56,153 Neglected as a child, I'd guess. 410 00:21:57,991 --> 00:21:59,223 What do you think, Jim? 411 00:22:00,188 --> 00:22:02,275 Well, I think you couldn't be more wrong. 412 00:22:04,902 --> 00:22:06,644 Look, I know the San Joaquin killer 413 00:22:06,645 --> 00:22:08,912 better than anyone, as you yourself have said. 414 00:22:08,976 --> 00:22:11,890 I've spent over a year inhabiting his mind. 415 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:14,726 This man is brilliant. 416 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,293 He's a genius who's run circles around the police. 417 00:22:18,942 --> 00:22:21,307 He's killed at will without repercussion. 418 00:22:24,387 --> 00:22:27,659 This is a man to be feared, not pitied. 419 00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:31,310 Excuse me. 420 00:22:35,327 --> 00:22:36,248 Hello? 421 00:22:36,530 --> 00:22:39,781 Jane? SFPD found another body. 422 00:22:40,758 --> 00:22:42,838 Looks like the San Joaquin killer. 423 00:22:43,329 --> 00:22:44,276 Okay. 424 00:22:47,646 --> 00:22:48,935 It's him, isn't it? 425 00:22:50,619 --> 00:22:51,763 He's killed again. 426 00:22:56,619 --> 00:23:00,027 Name's Jill Reisert, 18. It's the San Joaquin killer. 427 00:23:00,190 --> 00:23:02,329 Hands, feet bound with the same wire, 428 00:23:02,421 --> 00:23:03,468 tighed in the same knot. 429 00:23:03,469 --> 00:23:05,486 Killed elsewhere, dumped randomly. 430 00:23:06,009 --> 00:23:07,275 Pebbles on the eyes? 431 00:23:07,693 --> 00:23:09,601 No. No eyes. 432 00:23:20,553 --> 00:23:22,501 Only days after the last murder. 433 00:23:23,354 --> 00:23:25,139 He has a taste for attention now. 434 00:23:26,093 --> 00:23:28,048 Bigger city, bigger stage, bigger violence. 435 00:23:28,049 --> 00:23:30,264 He's getting more and more excited by it all. 436 00:23:30,355 --> 00:23:31,798 What time was she killed? 437 00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:32,653 Based on the amount of rigor, 438 00:23:32,654 --> 00:23:34,295 coroner thinks it was sometime this morning. 439 00:23:34,296 --> 00:23:36,475 Haibach was free by then. He could have done it. 440 00:23:36,476 --> 00:23:39,117 No. I know who did this-- 441 00:23:39,603 --> 00:23:40,408 James Panzer. 442 00:23:40,409 --> 00:23:43,579 Panzer? The reporter covering the case? 443 00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:45,751 The Fresno PD would have checked him out. 444 00:23:45,863 --> 00:23:46,432 They did. 445 00:23:46,433 --> 00:23:49,692 He had an alibi for two of the murders, both faked somehow. 446 00:23:49,693 --> 00:23:51,519 Look into them if you don't believe me, or don't. 447 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,909 I don't care. I know it was him. 448 00:23:54,062 --> 00:23:54,973 Evidence. 449 00:23:55,127 --> 00:23:56,212 That's the problem. 450 00:23:56,213 --> 00:23:58,486 We don't have anything linking him to the crime. 451 00:23:58,637 --> 00:24:00,555 FBI's pushing to take over this case. 452 00:24:00,762 --> 00:24:02,794 I'm doing everything I can to hold them off, but honestly, 453 00:24:02,795 --> 00:24:05,401 I don't have the pull. We need an arrest. 454 00:24:05,539 --> 00:24:06,837 I'll get him. I just need time. 455 00:24:06,838 --> 00:24:09,042 - Time we don't have. - I said I'll get him. 456 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,786 Okay. How long do you need? 457 00:24:11,977 --> 00:24:13,785 I'll have him in custody by the morning. 458 00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:19,489 Give you till the morning. Good luck. 459 00:24:21,939 --> 00:24:24,470 Panzer knows everything about this case. 460 00:24:24,696 --> 00:24:27,851 We've got no forensic evidence and no eyewitnesses. 461 00:24:28,030 --> 00:24:29,544 How do you propose we catch him? 462 00:24:29,545 --> 00:24:31,448 We take away what he wants most. 463 00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:43,985 Mr. Jane. 464 00:24:47,173 --> 00:24:48,153 Any news? 465 00:24:48,404 --> 00:24:50,371 Uh, n-not now, Karen. 466 00:24:50,478 --> 00:24:52,509 Please, give us a morsel, anything. 467 00:25:01,224 --> 00:25:02,532 Okay. We have a suspect. 468 00:25:02,533 --> 00:25:04,407 We'll be making an arrest sometime tonight. 469 00:25:04,408 --> 00:25:06,752 We'll announce it to the press first thing tomorrow morning. 470 00:25:06,753 --> 00:25:07,641 Who is it? 471 00:25:07,682 --> 00:25:09,214 You'll find out tomorrow. 472 00:25:09,233 --> 00:25:10,372 Come on, Patrick. I need more. 473 00:25:10,373 --> 00:25:12,615 Just tell me if it's one of the previous suspects. 474 00:25:15,135 --> 00:25:16,379 It is, isn't it? 475 00:25:18,347 --> 00:25:19,783 You didn't hear it from me. 476 00:25:20,278 --> 00:25:21,055 You can trust me. 477 00:25:21,056 --> 00:25:23,546 No, I mean it, Karen. You can't go public with this today. 478 00:25:23,547 --> 00:25:24,429 I'm only telling you 479 00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:26,597 so you're not caught off guard tomorrow morning. 480 00:25:26,735 --> 00:25:29,813 Thank you. Wait. Patrick. 481 00:25:30,904 --> 00:25:31,680 The offer's still open 482 00:25:31,681 --> 00:25:33,377 if you want to come on my show tomorrow night. 483 00:25:33,378 --> 00:25:36,077 Uh, yeah, thank you, but no, thanks. 484 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,967 Just think about it. That's all I ask. 485 00:25:37,968 --> 00:25:39,005 Sure. 486 00:25:39,594 --> 00:25:41,444 Dan. Dan. 487 00:25:43,134 --> 00:25:45,451 Call the office and clear the 7:00 open. 488 00:25:46,179 --> 00:25:47,597 I've got a breaking story. 489 00:25:48,576 --> 00:25:50,044 All right. What's going on? 490 00:25:50,045 --> 00:25:52,286 Panzer committed these murders out of hubris. 491 00:25:52,287 --> 00:25:54,525 He wants to create a mythology around the San Joaquin killer. 492 00:25:54,526 --> 00:25:56,660 That's why he started the web site. 493 00:25:56,873 --> 00:25:57,965 He doesn't just want to kill. 494 00:25:57,966 --> 00:25:59,740 He wants people to be in awe of him. 495 00:25:59,741 --> 00:26:00,621 Yes? 496 00:26:00,622 --> 00:26:02,201 So we arrest someone else for the murders, 497 00:26:02,202 --> 00:26:04,103 someone pathetic and unworthy, 498 00:26:04,104 --> 00:26:07,470 thus destroying his mythology with one fatal blow. 499 00:26:07,471 --> 00:26:10,120 Panzer will go out and kill again just to prove us wrong, 500 00:26:10,121 --> 00:26:12,061 and we will be there waiting for him. 501 00:26:12,205 --> 00:26:13,630 Arrest somebody else? 502 00:26:15,254 --> 00:26:16,444 Ohh. 503 00:26:17,527 --> 00:26:18,580 Are you sure, boss? 504 00:26:19,654 --> 00:26:20,840 I got this. 505 00:26:22,074 --> 00:26:24,399 Oh, come on. You people just don't quit, do you? Oh! 506 00:26:24,910 --> 00:26:26,066 You're under arrest. 507 00:26:26,081 --> 00:26:26,990 For what? 508 00:26:27,489 --> 00:26:28,776 We'll think of something. 509 00:26:31,422 --> 00:26:32,247 Hello? 510 00:26:32,347 --> 00:26:35,250 Mr. Panzer, it's Patrick. I have some information. 511 00:26:40,718 --> 00:26:41,651 We got him. 512 00:26:42,022 --> 00:26:44,439 San Joaquin killer. Made an arrest. 513 00:26:44,458 --> 00:26:46,208 Yeah, I heard something about it on the news, 514 00:26:46,209 --> 00:26:47,887 but I didn't believe it. Who is it? 515 00:26:47,888 --> 00:26:49,175 Richard Haibach. 516 00:26:49,209 --> 00:26:50,696 Well, I thought he had an alibi. 517 00:26:50,697 --> 00:26:52,752 Faked. Lied about the whole thing, 518 00:26:52,753 --> 00:26:54,463 which is not too difficult to pull off 519 00:26:54,464 --> 00:26:55,824 if you know what you're doing. 520 00:26:55,825 --> 00:26:57,150 And you're certain that it's him? 521 00:26:57,151 --> 00:26:59,434 We found pictures of young women in his home. 522 00:26:59,823 --> 00:27:01,409 Two of the victims were amongst them. 523 00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:03,108 Well, that doesn't prove he's the killer. 524 00:27:03,109 --> 00:27:06,375 We found something else. I can't comment on specifics, 525 00:27:06,376 --> 00:27:09,296 but the AG's office is confident that it, 526 00:27:09,297 --> 00:27:11,824 along with Haibach's proximity to the Karp murder 527 00:27:11,825 --> 00:27:15,113 and the photos will be enough for a conviction. 528 00:27:15,834 --> 00:27:17,937 We'll announce it to the press tomorrow morning. 529 00:27:18,387 --> 00:27:19,633 I wanted you to know first, 530 00:27:19,634 --> 00:27:22,550 given your... personal attachment to the case. 531 00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:25,316 And I just wanted to stop by 532 00:27:25,317 --> 00:27:27,073 and say thanks for your help, Jim. 533 00:27:27,074 --> 00:27:29,039 Oh, yes, of course. 534 00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:31,682 Look, can I get you a drink or something? 535 00:27:31,683 --> 00:27:35,319 No, thanks. Do you mind if I use your restroom? 536 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,806 Oh, sure, sure. Right--right over there. 537 00:27:36,807 --> 00:27:38,610 End of the hall here? Yes. 538 00:28:19,707 --> 00:28:22,412 You sure you don't want a drink or a snack? 539 00:28:24,344 --> 00:28:26,954 Oh, no. I have to get going. 540 00:28:30,323 --> 00:28:32,613 You know, it's funny, isn't it? 541 00:28:32,614 --> 00:28:33,443 What's that? 542 00:28:34,048 --> 00:28:36,304 We were both wrong about the San Joaquin killer. 543 00:28:37,099 --> 00:28:40,286 He wasn't a purist, nor was he a man desperate for attention. 544 00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:42,298 He was just a sick, sexually deranged man 545 00:28:42,299 --> 00:28:44,200 that likes to take pictures of little girls. 546 00:28:45,618 --> 00:28:48,887 Simple-minded pervert. Good night. 547 00:29:14,045 --> 00:29:15,114 Come on. 548 00:29:21,245 --> 00:29:22,251 There he is. 549 00:29:41,128 --> 00:29:42,087 Wait. 550 00:30:12,141 --> 00:30:13,938 I'll call SFPD for backup. 551 00:30:20,474 --> 00:30:21,255 Jane! 552 00:30:39,548 --> 00:30:41,083 Ladies first. 553 00:30:55,005 --> 00:30:57,150 Um... Lisbon? 554 00:31:23,921 --> 00:31:25,573 Couldn't stay away, could you? 555 00:31:27,212 --> 00:31:29,818 Put your hands in the air. Step back from the table. 556 00:31:29,819 --> 00:31:30,921 What are you doing here? 557 00:31:31,033 --> 00:31:33,439 I said put your hands in the air now! 558 00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:35,888 Look, you don't understand. I j-- 559 00:31:39,056 --> 00:31:40,191 What are you doing here? 560 00:31:42,281 --> 00:31:43,327 Turn the camera off. 561 00:31:43,738 --> 00:31:45,413 Karen called me about an hour ago. 562 00:31:45,414 --> 00:31:48,207 She gave me this address. She asked me to meet her here. 563 00:31:48,563 --> 00:31:51,184 I have never been here before in my life. 564 00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,317 I said turn the camera off. 565 00:31:55,318 --> 00:31:56,370 Turn it off. 566 00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:00,494 You called him? 567 00:32:00,734 --> 00:32:03,120 He's the expert. I wanted him to authenticate 568 00:32:03,121 --> 00:32:04,448 that this was, in fact, the kill room 569 00:32:04,449 --> 00:32:06,179 used by the San Joaquin killer. 570 00:32:06,482 --> 00:32:07,771 How did you know about this place? 571 00:32:07,772 --> 00:32:11,040 She was contacted by him, by the San Joaquin killer. 572 00:32:11,551 --> 00:32:14,255 Yes. Just after my 7:00 broadcast, 573 00:32:14,256 --> 00:32:16,359 during which I announced the CBI had someone in custody. 574 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,712 Someone texted me from a blocked number, 575 00:32:18,713 --> 00:32:21,100 said he was the SJK and then gave me this address. 576 00:32:21,568 --> 00:32:22,728 All right. Out. 577 00:32:22,974 --> 00:32:25,840 This is officially a CBI crime scene. Let's go! 578 00:32:53,503 --> 00:32:55,978 I tried to tell you you had the wrong man. 579 00:32:56,313 --> 00:32:57,486 You set this up. 580 00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:00,404 You knew we were following you. 581 00:33:00,483 --> 00:33:02,078 I don't know what you're talking about, 582 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,584 but I have to admit, I'm very hurt by all this. 583 00:33:04,787 --> 00:33:07,018 I mean, here I thought you were seeking my help, 584 00:33:07,019 --> 00:33:08,342 that we were kindred spirits. 585 00:33:09,191 --> 00:33:11,495 Where all along you were just lying to me. 586 00:33:11,574 --> 00:33:12,480 You were using me. 587 00:33:13,918 --> 00:33:15,282 That kind of duplicity-- 588 00:33:16,253 --> 00:33:18,789 leading a double life-- I don't know how you do that. 589 00:33:37,306 --> 00:33:38,881 Agent Lisbon, Jane, 590 00:33:39,584 --> 00:33:41,896 I'd like you to meet FBI special agent Susan Darcy. 591 00:33:43,502 --> 00:33:44,418 As of this morning, 592 00:33:44,419 --> 00:33:46,779 she and her team will be taking over the investigation. 593 00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:48,626 - Sir-- - No, it's okay. It's fine. 594 00:33:48,627 --> 00:33:51,018 The man you want is James Panzer. 595 00:33:53,095 --> 00:33:55,036 What sort of evidence do you have on Panzer? 596 00:33:55,174 --> 00:33:57,081 - Well, nothing-- - Nothing concrete. 597 00:33:57,082 --> 00:33:59,158 Not, uh, your kind of evidence, anyhow. 598 00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:02,712 How about your kind of evidence? 599 00:34:04,055 --> 00:34:06,340 His medicine cabinet is too neat. 600 00:34:09,863 --> 00:34:11,650 That's an interesting perspective. 601 00:34:12,264 --> 00:34:13,365 I'll absorb the case files 602 00:34:13,366 --> 00:34:15,280 and if Panzer looks like a good unsub for us, 603 00:34:15,281 --> 00:34:17,944 you can be rest assured that my team and I will be on him. 604 00:34:18,996 --> 00:34:20,045 No, you won't. 605 00:34:21,505 --> 00:34:22,056 Jane? 606 00:34:22,057 --> 00:34:24,089 While she's absorbing the case files, 607 00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:25,401 Panzer will kill again. 608 00:34:25,402 --> 00:34:26,757 You're not being constructive right now. 609 00:34:26,758 --> 00:34:27,403 I'm just being honest. 610 00:34:27,404 --> 00:34:28,281 It's okay. 611 00:34:29,943 --> 00:34:31,004 I understand you're upset. 612 00:34:31,005 --> 00:34:32,803 You have every reason to be upset. 613 00:34:33,364 --> 00:34:35,648 I would be, too, if someone was taking over my case. 614 00:34:36,192 --> 00:34:38,753 If he does kill again, it will be my responsibility, 615 00:34:38,754 --> 00:34:40,293 and I will answer for it. 616 00:34:40,381 --> 00:34:42,076 But let me be very clear-- 617 00:34:42,801 --> 00:34:46,495 this investigation is now under the jurisdiction of the FBI. 618 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:48,080 It's all yours. 619 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,943 I'm gonna need those case files as soon as possible, please. 620 00:34:55,944 --> 00:34:57,041 Yeah. 621 00:35:00,521 --> 00:35:01,270 Jane. 622 00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:04,343 Jane, you heard Wainright. 623 00:35:04,754 --> 00:35:05,875 Our hands are tied. 624 00:35:06,112 --> 00:35:07,000 Yeah. 625 00:35:10,917 --> 00:35:12,865 Yeah. Maybe yours are. 626 00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:25,432 Well, Karen, no disrespect to the CBI or the FBI, 627 00:35:25,433 --> 00:35:28,268 but it's not a good sign when a case as complex 628 00:35:28,269 --> 00:35:29,423 and important as this one 629 00:35:29,424 --> 00:35:31,497 is shuttled from agency to agency. 630 00:35:31,498 --> 00:35:35,434 There's--there's a lack of communication and consistency, 631 00:35:35,435 --> 00:35:38,521 there's a pointless replication of effort. 632 00:35:38,522 --> 00:35:39,994 I mean, you see the same problems 633 00:35:39,995 --> 00:35:41,953 in the search for the Zodiac killer. 634 00:35:41,954 --> 00:35:43,361 Uh, hold that thought, James. 635 00:35:43,486 --> 00:35:45,627 We'll be right back after a quick break. 636 00:35:45,628 --> 00:35:49,392 With our guest, James Panzer, and a surprise special guest, 637 00:35:49,458 --> 00:35:51,707 CBI consultant Patrick Jane. 638 00:35:52,398 --> 00:35:53,880 And... clear. 639 00:35:54,445 --> 00:35:55,706 I hope you don't mind. 640 00:35:55,962 --> 00:35:56,923 But-- 641 00:35:56,997 --> 00:35:58,011 Patrick. 642 00:35:58,373 --> 00:36:00,209 Thank you so much for coming, really. 643 00:36:02,621 --> 00:36:03,327 Hi. 644 00:36:04,693 --> 00:36:06,083 We're getting Mr. Jane mic-ed, yeah? 645 00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:07,072 Yes, we are. 646 00:36:10,624 --> 00:36:11,557 In five, 647 00:36:12,318 --> 00:36:14,112 four, three, two... 648 00:36:16,221 --> 00:36:19,197 Joining us now on this SJK special edition 649 00:36:19,198 --> 00:36:22,087 is Patrick Jane, a consultant with the CBI, 650 00:36:22,088 --> 00:36:25,269 who has his own amazing story of terrible tragedy 651 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:27,840 and cold revenge. Patrick, thank you for joining us. 652 00:36:27,841 --> 00:36:29,674 Oh, it's my pleasure, Karen. James. 653 00:36:29,675 --> 00:36:32,228 In a nutshell, why has the San Joaquin killer 654 00:36:32,229 --> 00:36:34,524 proven so difficult to apprehend? 655 00:36:34,582 --> 00:36:35,970 Well, James is exactly right. 656 00:36:35,971 --> 00:36:37,896 There are too many cooks in the kitchen. 657 00:36:37,897 --> 00:36:39,732 But I-I would also like to add 658 00:36:39,733 --> 00:36:42,002 that the San Joaquin killer is very likely someone 659 00:36:42,003 --> 00:36:45,116 that has attached themselves to the investigation somehow-- 660 00:36:45,117 --> 00:36:48,145 someone, uh, hiding in plain sight. 661 00:36:48,375 --> 00:36:49,654 That's interesting. Is there anyone 662 00:36:49,655 --> 00:36:51,499 in particular that you're thinking of? 663 00:36:51,675 --> 00:36:53,099 We have our suspicions. 664 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:54,430 Well, that sounds promising. 665 00:36:54,431 --> 00:36:56,956 Can we expect an arrest anytime soon? 666 00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:57,926 Very likely. 667 00:36:58,003 --> 00:36:59,979 - Uh, Karen if I may ask Jane a question-- - Actually, 668 00:37:00,034 --> 00:37:02,107 - I would-- - Could you hold that thought, James? 669 00:37:02,108 --> 00:37:05,225 - Well, I-- - Can--can you elaborate on that, Patrick? 670 00:37:05,226 --> 00:37:05,987 Uh, what makes you think 671 00:37:05,988 --> 00:37:08,267 that the San Joaquin killer will be caught soon? 672 00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:11,066 Well, he's become wrapped up in his own mythology. 673 00:37:11,206 --> 00:37:14,495 Uh, he's drank his own kool-aid, so to speak. 674 00:37:14,772 --> 00:37:17,640 Well, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that. 675 00:37:17,641 --> 00:37:19,582 You're right, James, I have no evidence, 676 00:37:19,583 --> 00:37:22,045 uh, just a good sense of the man. 677 00:37:22,118 --> 00:37:24,529 The San Joaquin killer is a sad little person 678 00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:27,832 living in a fantasy world of power and prestige. 679 00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:30,960 It's only a matter of time before he makes a mistake. 680 00:37:32,401 --> 00:37:33,176 Jim? 681 00:37:33,177 --> 00:37:35,937 Well, I would like to say I believe what Mr. Jane is saying, 682 00:37:35,938 --> 00:37:37,775 but I can't disagree more. 683 00:37:38,572 --> 00:37:41,869 I mean, this man is smart, he is rational, 684 00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:43,410 he's brilliant, in fact. 685 00:37:44,268 --> 00:37:47,006 I-I respect your skills as a journalist 686 00:37:47,007 --> 00:37:49,521 and as a blogger, James, but I do this for a living, 687 00:37:49,522 --> 00:37:52,313 and I don't think you know or understand this man at all. 688 00:37:52,314 --> 00:37:54,451 Well, that's absurd! I mean, that's just... 689 00:37:55,598 --> 00:37:59,462 That's... your opinion, and I respect that. 690 00:38:00,468 --> 00:38:01,353 But, Patrick, I mean, 691 00:38:01,354 --> 00:38:03,535 I think you really should consider the plain facts. 692 00:38:03,536 --> 00:38:04,989 James, hold that thought. 693 00:38:04,990 --> 00:38:06,302 Let--if I could just respond here for a moment. 694 00:38:06,303 --> 00:38:08,716 And you'll have that chance when we come back 695 00:38:08,717 --> 00:38:11,575 with more on the search for the San Joaquin killer. 696 00:38:12,285 --> 00:38:14,444 We're clear. 30 seconds, everyone. 697 00:38:14,445 --> 00:38:16,014 Great stuff, guys. 698 00:38:30,541 --> 00:38:31,934 I know what you're doing. 699 00:38:34,473 --> 00:38:35,656 You think I'm stupid? 700 00:38:36,247 --> 00:38:37,100 Yes. 701 00:38:38,312 --> 00:38:40,128 You're not going to ruin this for me. 702 00:38:42,957 --> 00:38:44,899 When we come back, Jim, you're up. 703 00:38:45,671 --> 00:38:46,846 Ten seconds. 704 00:38:49,935 --> 00:38:51,670 In five, four, 705 00:38:51,906 --> 00:38:53,316 three, two... 706 00:38:53,686 --> 00:38:55,182 James Panzer may be the man 707 00:38:55,183 --> 00:38:57,594 who knows the San Joaquin killer best. 708 00:38:57,755 --> 00:39:00,652 Tell us, Jim, will he kill again? 709 00:39:00,692 --> 00:39:02,691 Well, Karen, I hate to say this, 710 00:39:02,692 --> 00:39:05,943 but, yes, I-I think this man will strike again, 711 00:39:05,944 --> 00:39:09,317 and I think that there will be many, many more victims. 712 00:39:09,804 --> 00:39:11,248 A dark prediction. 713 00:39:11,491 --> 00:39:13,082 Uh, what makes you think that? 714 00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:17,266 Well, he is growing more bold and more confident every day-- 715 00:39:17,267 --> 00:39:19,918 more sure of his abilities and his greatness. 716 00:39:19,919 --> 00:39:20,994 And why shouldn't he be? 717 00:39:20,995 --> 00:39:23,814 He's been able to evade detection so easily, 718 00:39:23,815 --> 00:39:25,874 he is too good to be caught. 719 00:39:28,439 --> 00:39:29,529 Patrick, thoughts? 720 00:39:36,031 --> 00:39:36,945 Patrick? 721 00:39:38,837 --> 00:39:41,655 It's funny. Red John thought exactly the same thing. 722 00:39:42,557 --> 00:39:45,083 Somehow I don't think the San Joaquin killer 723 00:39:45,084 --> 00:39:48,048 will be quite as easy to kill as Red John. 724 00:39:48,049 --> 00:39:49,467 You're very much mistaken. 725 00:39:50,293 --> 00:39:52,958 Red John was an accomplished killer, no doubt, 726 00:39:52,959 --> 00:39:55,902 and I applaud you for ridding us of him. 727 00:39:55,959 --> 00:39:59,458 But there is no comparison to the San Joaquin killer. 728 00:39:59,863 --> 00:40:02,133 Red John was a common sociopath-- 729 00:40:02,286 --> 00:40:04,949 lazy, sloppy, delusional. 730 00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:07,097 You really have no idea what you're saying. 731 00:40:07,111 --> 00:40:07,721 Red John-- 732 00:40:07,972 --> 00:40:08,961 Red John is dead. 733 00:40:10,570 --> 00:40:11,838 And the fact that he allowed himself 734 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:14,565 to be caught and killed by you just proves my point. 735 00:40:17,268 --> 00:40:20,937 Compared toSJK, Red John was nothing-- 736 00:40:21,415 --> 00:40:24,482 an amateur already forgotten. 737 00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:35,738 You, uh... 738 00:40:38,167 --> 00:40:39,842 you were very good out there. 739 00:40:41,173 --> 00:40:43,406 Well... thank you. 740 00:40:53,611 --> 00:40:54,695 I was good. 741 00:41:06,316 --> 00:41:07,106 Hello? 742 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,931 Where? 743 00:41:36,866 --> 00:41:37,902 What's happened? 744 00:41:38,518 --> 00:41:40,866 Panzer. 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