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The sound I'm going to play now
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is Timothy Leary's voice...
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in 1974
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when he was incarcerated
at Vacaville Prison.
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He did a series of interviews
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with one of the
psychologists at the prison.
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I'm just going
to play the very first words
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he gave this psychologist.
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Dr. Timothy Leary,
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once a clinical psychologist
and Harvard professor,
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now, by his own description,
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a visionary prophet.
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Others have called him
the man most responsible
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for the North American crisis
over LSD.
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We're teaching people
how to use their head.
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The, uh, point is...
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that in order to use your head,
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you have to go out of your mind.
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He... was
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put in prison
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as an ideological trafficker
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that had to be stopped.
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After he escaped from prison
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and spent three years in Europe,
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we were both trapped
and captured in Afghanistan.
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My biggest question:
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Was I being manipulated?
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And if I was manipulated,
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how far back did it go?
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Whatever forces
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had been following Timothy
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since way back.
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All of the counterculture said
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that I was
a CIA sex provocateur,
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a Mata Hari,
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that I had been sent
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to lead Timothy to Afghanistan
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and get him arrested.
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Twenty.
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Is Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
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his one contact/spokesagent,
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a sex spy?
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An agent provocateuse,
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a double agent,
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a CIA hysteric,
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a jealous tigress, or what?
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All of the above.
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So you're a CIA plant?
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I still wonder to this day.
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It's in watching Wormwood...
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where I said to myself,
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"Maybe I was a CIA plant."
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And maybe I'd been manipulated
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to... lead Timothy Leary
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back into being captured.
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Uh, this is
Joanna Harcourt.
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First I'd like to show you
these two papers
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that, uh,
Timothy Leary gave me
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two minutes before
we got off the plane
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in Los Angeles
yesterday evening.
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I'll read them to you.
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"January 18th, 1973,
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To Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
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I lovingly give all the rights
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to transmit the story
of our perfect love in Spain,
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Switzerland, Austria, USA,
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Lebanon, Afghanistan, Germany,
et cetera. Timothy Leary."
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If you'd like to see them.
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I loved him.
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I had known him for six weeks.
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We had traveled like
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shooting stars across Europe,
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taking acid every day...
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plunging into the maddest,
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romantic relationship
you could ever imagine.
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I knew nothing about him.
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I had not read
any of his books.
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I had heard
the Moody Blues song.
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I remember exactly
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where I heard that song.
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Seven months pregnant
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in a bathtub
in Trenton, New Jersey,
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which for me was
like stranger than Peru,
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with my tummy protruding
out of the water
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and hearing...
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Timothy Leary's dead
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No, no, no, no
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He's outside, looking in
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Timothy Leary's dead
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And I got this
strange destiny feeling.
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It's happened to me
many times in my life.
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This is a turning point.
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He'll fly his astral plane
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Takes you trips
around the bay
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Timothy Leary
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Timothy Leary
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LSD was calling me.
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Definitely.
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The Supreme Court
today overturned
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the narcotics conviction
of Dr. Timothy Leary,
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and in the process dealt
a crippling blow
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to federal marijuana laws.
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I don't think
that I'm ever going to spend
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more than one day in jail--
that's my limit.
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You see, it would be suicidal
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for the United States
government to put me in jail.
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Every time they arrest me,
they bring more interest
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and sympathy
for what we're doing.
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'Cause we're not criminals,
we're not dope addicts.
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We're sincere people trying
to do our best for our society
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and for our own souls.
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I had a very painful childhood.
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Much of it was about
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being Jews in Europe.
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My mother went through
two world wars.
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She went through
two world wars as a Jew.
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She carried the trauma
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of having escaped Poland.
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She carried the trauma
of 77 of her relatives
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being killed.
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Except for sometimes
being funny...
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my mother was...
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well,
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she treated me like
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she was Hitler
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and I was the Jew.
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That didn't make
for a very happy childhood.
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I think I was about 11 when
I found out we were Jewish.
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And so, I immediately ran
to my mother
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and I said to her,
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"This is wonderful,
we're Jewish!
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We're the most intelligent
people in the world!"
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And she slapped me
across the face.
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She said, "Never,
never, never say that."
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Being a Catholic
was the salvation.
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It would save her child,
her children,
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and, uh, it would save her.
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So back to LSD calling me.
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There was something
that could provoke
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an enormous change in me.
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And perhaps I could find out
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what it was to feel planted.
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Something is being born,
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and I wanted to be part of it.
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For those of you who, uh,
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missed the last
thrilling installment
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in this Keystone Kops drama,
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yesterday afternoon
Rosemary and I came here
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to talk to the press
about, uh, our views
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and to, uh,
answer any questions.
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And, as you probably know, uh,
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I was arrested
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and then immediately
released at the, um,
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at the jail.
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Dr. Timothy Leary,
the former Harvard instructor
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who became an exponent of LSD,
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has been convicted of illegally
transporting marijuana
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and faces a possible
20-year prison sentence.
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At that time,
this character I had been
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lovers with...
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when I was 18 years old...
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a man called Michel Hauchard...
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came to visit me.
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He was an arms dealer...
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a James Bond villain.
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Timothy called him Goldfinger.
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Do you expect me
to talk?
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No, Mr. Bond,
I expect you to die.
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He was always trying
to get back with me.
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He would say to me,
"I have a Rolls-Royce,"
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and I'd say, "I don't care."
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He'd say, "I have a villa
in the south of France."
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I'd say, "I don't care."
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We had dinner,
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and at dinner he said to me,
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"I own Timothy Leary."
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So I said,
"What is Timothy Leary?"
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"It's this man who's
very famous in America,
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and he's escaped from prison."
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That was so exciting for me!
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I almost wanted to be
with an outlaw.
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Dr. Timothy Leary,
formerly of Harvard,
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now known as the High Priest
of the drug cult,
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escaped during the night from
the California Men's Colony
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at San Luis Obispo.
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Dr. Leary was serving
a term of up to ten years
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for possession of marijuana.
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We want to tell the people
of the United States
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the third world war has begun.
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Join us in the fight for freedom
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because we are everywhere,
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and we're happy
and we're free.
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And we want to make
the world free.
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And how did he
come to "own" Timothy Leary?
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Well, this is it.
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His friend recommended
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that he be Timothy
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and Rosemary's protector
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in Switzerland.
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Michel gave them
a beautiful house...
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paid for a nice life.
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But after a short while he said,
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"If you write a book
about your escape,
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I will sell it."
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Michel said to Timothy,
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"I would like you to
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sign a contract where
you assign to me
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all your literary rights
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now and forever."
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Timothy had nothing to lose.
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He was an outlaw on the run.
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He signed it.
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And so that's
what Michel meant
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when he sat next to me
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in that restaurant
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in Marbella and said,
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"I own Timothy Leary."
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How rich is he?
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Who? Michel Hauchard?
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Yes.
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How can I tell?
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You can never tell how rich,
rich people are.
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Switzerland today
refused a United States request
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for the extradition of
LSD advocate Timothy Leary.
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Leary called it
a victory of love.
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Dr. Leary,
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you are in exile
from your own country.
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-You're a fugitive
from justice.
-Mm-hmm.
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How do you feel about that,
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not being able to go home?
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Well, it's ironic, um,
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my joy today...
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comes because, uh,
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I'm not going to go back
to the United States.
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I'm going to decline
the invitation of, uh,
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Governor Reagan
and President Nixon to, uh,
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come back to their prison.
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I started thinking
about this Timothy Leary.
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I just had this destiny thing.
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I always feel when
there's going to be
a turn in my destiny.
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It's happened to me
again and again and again.
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I was living in
the south of Spain
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in this place called Marbella.
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It was very groovy.
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I took off with a man
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in a VW bus.
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He spent a lot of time
with the Rolling Stones.
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One of their songs is called
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"Tommy the Tumbling Dice."
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It's about my friend Tommy.
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We went to see
Keith Richards
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in Villars, in Switzerland.
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Keith Richards had this lover,
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Anita Pallenberg,
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who was quite a sizzling number,
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I would say.
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She almost singlehandedly
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invented the Rolling Stones.
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She said, "There's
this man, Timothy Leary,
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and his wife is gone,
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and you have to meet him."
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At that time I was very busy.
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What Tommy and I were doing is
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we were trying
to convince Keith,
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"Go to America
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and do a series
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of concerts
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to promote McGovern.
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We didn't want Nixon
to win the election.
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And Keith said...
271
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Sure.
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Tommy and I flew
to Washington, D.C.
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We went to the McGovern
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headquarters and we told them,
275
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"Hey, the Rolling Stones
are willing to do
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three weeks or a month
of concerts for you."
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And there was such
a sense of defeatism.
278
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They were so down,
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they felt so bad
that they couldn't accept.
280
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So,
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next adventure?
282
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We went to New York.
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We were staying
with this friend of mine,
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Diane von Furstenberg.
285
00:15:50,824 --> 00:15:53,160
Those are the kind of people
I grew up with.
286
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-The phone rang.
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She handed me the phone,
288
00:15:58,374 --> 00:16:00,334
and I was just lying there
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on her mink blanket.
290
00:16:02,044 --> 00:16:04,505
It was Michel.
Michel knew Diane.
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I made an appointment to go
and have drinks with him
292
00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:10,177
at the St. Regis.
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He pulled out a check
294
00:16:13,055 --> 00:16:16,308
for $250,000.
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That's a lot of money.
296
00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:21,689
He says, "That's what
Bantam Books gave me
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for the manuscript
that Timothy has just written
298
00:16:26,151 --> 00:16:27,861
about his escape
299
00:16:27,903 --> 00:16:31,198
and his life on the run,"
300
00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,827
the book that became
Confessions of a Hope Fiend.
301
00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:39,498
He was emulating
Aleister Crowley.
302
00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:46,046
Well, I thought,
"Oh, my goodness,
303
00:16:46,088 --> 00:16:48,424
this guy's
really interesting."
304
00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:45,105
Tommy and I flew to Geneva,
305
00:17:45,147 --> 00:17:47,566
went into Lausanne,
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-went up to Michel's house.
307
00:17:50,152 --> 00:17:53,238
The Moroccan butler
opened the door.
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We gave him a good English
hashish spliff.
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00:17:59,036 --> 00:18:01,163
I went into Michel's office
310
00:18:01,205 --> 00:18:04,374
and I opened his address book,
311
00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:06,794
and I found
about five phone numbers
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for Timothy.
313
00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:13,258
Isn't Tommy jealous
of your interest in Leary?
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00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:16,095
Well, he thought
he'd be included.
315
00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:18,138
I mean, he didn't think that
316
00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:22,476
Timothy and I were going
to be each other's destiny.
317
00:18:24,686 --> 00:18:26,730
Then I went to
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00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:29,566
the Palace Hotel in Lausanne.
319
00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:30,984
I didn't have any money.
320
00:18:31,026 --> 00:18:34,988
I never have any money,
but things happen.
321
00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:37,574
And they knew me because
I learned to walk there.
322
00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:40,702
We got this beautiful suite.
323
00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:42,913
I started calling Timothy.
324
00:18:44,373 --> 00:18:46,083
Hello?
325
00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:49,920
I told him I saw
Michel Hauchard in New York
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00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:53,132
and he has a big check of yours.
327
00:18:53,173 --> 00:18:56,844
He invited us to come to Lucerne
328
00:18:56,885 --> 00:18:58,303
and meet him.
329
00:18:58,345 --> 00:19:00,264
We got a bunch of balloons
330
00:19:00,305 --> 00:19:02,808
which we put in
the back of the car
331
00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:05,185
and we drove to Lucerne.
332
00:19:06,645 --> 00:19:08,230
Multicolored balloons?
333
00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,524
Multicolored balloons,
of course.
334
00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:16,864
I think I must have looked
at him from the feet to the top.
335
00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:18,866
And I swear it looked like
336
00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:21,326
he was dancing,
337
00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:22,786
not walking.
338
00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:26,331
I immediately thought,
"Oh, my goodness,
339
00:19:26,373 --> 00:19:29,209
this man is
incredibly attractive.
340
00:19:30,669 --> 00:19:34,798
He invited us to go
to his chalet.
341
00:19:36,133 --> 00:19:39,386
He said,
"Will you come with me?"
342
00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:43,682
He had this
canary yellow Porsche.
343
00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:47,936
I thought, "Well, this is
getting better and better.
344
00:19:47,978 --> 00:19:50,314
This man is hip!"
345
00:19:52,649 --> 00:19:54,401
Maybe hip enough for me.
346
00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:58,363
And we went to his chalet.
347
00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:01,366
And he had three
or four people there.
348
00:20:02,576 --> 00:20:04,369
He said,
349
00:20:04,411 --> 00:20:07,039
"Does anybody want to take LSD?"
350
00:20:10,417 --> 00:20:14,463
I had two Clear Light acid...
351
00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:17,299
and I said, "Well, yes,
352
00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:20,093
but I just have enough
for you and me."
353
00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:22,429
He said to me,
354
00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:24,640
"You've come to free me."
355
00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:30,771
I thought,
356
00:20:30,812 --> 00:20:33,440
"Okay."
357
00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:36,443
I was a little intimidated,
but not too much.
358
00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:38,862
And we went to this restaurant.
359
00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:41,949
I was still tripping.
360
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:45,118
Everything was
going whoosh, whoosh.
361
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,287
For the people who know, uh,
362
00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:50,791
there can be great liquidity
363
00:20:50,832 --> 00:20:52,626
when you've taken acid.
364
00:20:52,668 --> 00:20:54,962
He ordered eggs and bacon.
365
00:20:55,003 --> 00:20:58,131
To me, the eggs were like eyes,
366
00:20:58,173 --> 00:21:00,926
but he was very comfortable
367
00:21:00,968 --> 00:21:02,678
with having a good breakfast.
368
00:21:02,719 --> 00:21:06,431
He brought his
tarot cards with him.
369
00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:08,976
He explained to me that he was
370
00:21:09,017 --> 00:21:11,478
a reincarnation
371
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,188
of Aleister Crowley...
372
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:17,609
and that this was
Crowley's deck.
373
00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:24,157
And the first card was
the Wheel of Fortune,
374
00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:27,995
and he said to me,
"That's what you are to me.
375
00:21:28,036 --> 00:21:29,830
Watch the wheel turn
376
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:32,874
and destiny turn.
377
00:21:32,916 --> 00:21:37,004
It's going to have an enormous
influence on my life."
378
00:21:37,045 --> 00:21:40,340
And then he pulled
the second card
379
00:21:40,382 --> 00:21:42,050
and it was Prudence.
380
00:21:43,844 --> 00:21:45,512
And I thought,
381
00:21:45,554 --> 00:21:48,015
"No, no,
I'll pass on that."
382
00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:49,683
And then,
383
00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:52,644
he pulled out...
384
00:21:52,686 --> 00:21:55,188
the Tower,
385
00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:58,525
which is an absolute explosion.
386
00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:02,362
It is a card designed
387
00:22:02,404 --> 00:22:04,531
to tell you
388
00:22:04,573 --> 00:22:07,743
that many times in life
389
00:22:07,784 --> 00:22:10,162
when something major passes,
390
00:22:10,203 --> 00:22:13,999
it feels like
everything you knew
391
00:22:14,041 --> 00:22:15,667
is being destroyed
392
00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:17,919
to be renewed.
393
00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:22,549
That's what
the Tower represents.
394
00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:25,844
Absolute chaos...
395
00:22:27,095 --> 00:22:29,264
and transformation.
396
00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,646
And at that moment
he said to me,
397
00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:39,399
"You've come to free me,
398
00:22:39,441 --> 00:22:42,527
and I'm returning to America."
399
00:22:42,569 --> 00:22:45,947
I didn't really understand
what he meant...
400
00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:50,660
but I knew we were bonded.
401
00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:54,289
Truly bonded.
402
00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:02,005
Is there where
Dennis Martino enters?
403
00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:06,093
Dennis Martino
was at the chalet.
404
00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,263
The sorcerer's apprentice.
405
00:23:11,973 --> 00:23:15,769
A dope dealer with
the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.
406
00:23:15,811 --> 00:23:17,979
A group of
407
00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:21,733
Laguna Beach surfers...
408
00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:26,071
who dealt hashish
409
00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:28,073
between Afghanistan
410
00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:30,784
and the United States.
411
00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:32,744
Dennis knew Timothy
412
00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:35,330
because Dennis's twin brother
413
00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:37,165
made a baby
414
00:23:37,207 --> 00:23:39,626
with Timothy's daughter.
415
00:23:41,962 --> 00:23:43,463
Is there any suggestion--
416
00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,298
I know that this became
an issue later--
417
00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:46,716
maybe I'm jumping ahead--
418
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,719
that Dennis might be
working against Timothy?
419
00:23:49,761 --> 00:23:51,096
If you want, Errol,
420
00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:54,099
we can, uh,
at some point get into
421
00:23:54,141 --> 00:23:56,101
"strange stuff."
422
00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:58,645
One of the reasons I...
423
00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:00,981
came to get you
424
00:24:01,022 --> 00:24:04,651
was because of
these strangenesses.
425
00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:07,070
People are here,
then they show up here.
426
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:12,492
You asked earlier,
Why would you be manipulated?
427
00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:16,872
Well, because I
think this is a huge part
428
00:24:16,913 --> 00:24:19,332
of the manipulation
429
00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:22,043
by government that has led us
430
00:24:22,085 --> 00:24:24,254
to where we are today...
431
00:24:25,714 --> 00:24:28,884
the Timothy Leary story.
432
00:24:28,925 --> 00:24:31,344
President Nixon
asked Congress today
433
00:24:31,386 --> 00:24:34,347
for new laws to deal
with drugs and narcotics.
434
00:24:34,389 --> 00:24:36,141
The new laws
the President wants
435
00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:38,143
would replace parts of
the Marijuana Act
436
00:24:38,185 --> 00:24:40,854
struck down by
the Supreme Court last year.
437
00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:43,273
Other legislation
would give a task force
438
00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:45,984
of federal agents
broad new powers to break in
439
00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:48,528
and make arrests
without warning.
440
00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:27,526
After breakfast,
441
00:25:27,567 --> 00:25:29,903
we go back to his house.
442
00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:33,406
Tommy explains to him
443
00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:38,286
that the way we're going
to get him out of Switzerland,
444
00:25:38,328 --> 00:25:40,997
we're going to buy a sailboat
445
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,667
in Amsterdam.
446
00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:46,836
We're going to make
that sailboat
447
00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:49,214
a radio station.
448
00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,426
We're going to
start broadcasting
449
00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:56,930
revolutionary messages,
450
00:25:56,972 --> 00:26:00,225
peace and love messages.
451
00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:03,395
We're going to sail
over to Jamaica
452
00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:08,108
where the Rolling Stones are
recording their latest album.
453
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:11,945
We left Timothy and went
back to the Palace Hotel.
454
00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:13,780
They said that
if I didn't pay the bill,
455
00:26:13,822 --> 00:26:16,199
I was going to be arrested
in the morning.
456
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:19,786
I thought,
"That's amazing!
457
00:26:19,828 --> 00:26:23,623
I'm going to experience
what Timothy experienced."
458
00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:29,004
The Swiss prisons
were very civilized.
459
00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:33,258
I asked them to bring me
some magazines.
460
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,678
I asked them to bring me
some café au lait.
461
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,597
They were very obliging.
462
00:26:38,638 --> 00:26:41,099
It was sort of easy
for me to say,
463
00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:45,186
"Come on, release me,
somebody's going
to pay this bill.
464
00:26:45,228 --> 00:26:47,272
Goldfinger paid the bill.
465
00:26:47,314 --> 00:26:49,983
In gold bullion.
466
00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:53,320
Went back
to where Timothy lived...
467
00:26:55,363 --> 00:26:57,365
ran into his arms saying,
468
00:26:57,407 --> 00:26:59,576
"I just went to prison!"
469
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:04,497
I was so naive,
it was incredible.
470
00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:07,751
We decided that we would give
471
00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:09,919
Tommy a thousand dollars
472
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:11,838
to go look for a boat.
473
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,090
A thousand dollars
to get rid of him?
474
00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,009
Yeah, right.
475
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,764
When did you first realize
476
00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:23,016
that you could control men?
477
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,686
Oof.
478
00:27:26,728 --> 00:27:29,189
The first time a man
479
00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:32,859
kissed my neck
when I was maybe...
480
00:27:32,901 --> 00:27:35,278
eleven, 12 years old.
481
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,907
I had this surge of power.
482
00:27:38,948 --> 00:27:41,660
There's definitely something
483
00:27:41,701 --> 00:27:44,496
I can control in this life.
484
00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:50,960
Leary was emanating.
485
00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,713
Sexy. Power. Charm.
486
00:27:55,215 --> 00:27:58,843
We went off on the road
in the yellow Porsche,
487
00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:00,929
in the sparkling night
488
00:28:00,970 --> 00:28:04,516
with beautiful
Swiss snow falling
489
00:28:04,557 --> 00:28:06,309
and LSD.
490
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:09,145
I was with him
in this bubble,
491
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,732
in this amazing
yellow spaceship.
492
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,861
I was beginning to feel
493
00:28:16,903 --> 00:28:19,906
some sense that I had arrived.
494
00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:26,079
I was a bit surprised because
we'd been together for a week...
495
00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:28,748
and we didn't have sex.
496
00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:30,667
In those days, I felt that
497
00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:34,337
if I was with a man
and I didn't have sex with him
498
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,423
pretty quickly,
499
00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:38,425
we weren't really bonded.
500
00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,095
But we got to
the Palace Hotel...
501
00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:47,559
and we went to our room,
502
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,602
and then he said to me,
503
00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:51,855
"Sit on the bed."
504
00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:55,275
He had... necklaces
505
00:28:55,316 --> 00:28:58,611
and bracelets
506
00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:01,698
and sort of Indian jewelry.
507
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:03,950
I instinctively got naked.
508
00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:06,786
He started putting the jewelry
509
00:29:06,828 --> 00:29:08,246
all over me.
510
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:11,624
He told me that I was
the Goddess Lakshmi.
511
00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:18,298
Then he took out
a Life magazine.
512
00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:21,134
In that issue
of Life magazine
513
00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:24,387
were the first images
514
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,639
of inside the brain.
515
00:29:29,976 --> 00:29:31,311
And he said to me,
516
00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:34,939
"That's where I'm going to be
517
00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:37,275
making love to you."
518
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:41,362
And indeed,
519
00:29:41,404 --> 00:29:43,490
it was quite a loving...
520
00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,409
session.
521
00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:36,835
So, anyway,
522
00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:39,879
we left Gstaad,
and we were going to go to
523
00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:43,383
St. Moritz where I was born.
524
00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:45,218
My mother was there
525
00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:48,054
in January 1946,
526
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:51,558
mainly to play bridge.
527
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,519
Suddenly she started
having pains.
528
00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:56,896
Apparently
the village doctor told her
529
00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:58,857
she had appendicitis
530
00:30:58,898 --> 00:31:02,402
and gave her
lots of painkillers
531
00:31:02,443 --> 00:31:03,903
and, as she said,
532
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:08,074
"After about 40 hours
of bothering me,
533
00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:09,951
you came out."
534
00:31:09,993 --> 00:31:12,370
And I weighed a kilo 50.
535
00:31:12,412 --> 00:31:15,790
Not much bigger
than a Nathan's hotdog.
536
00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:20,003
So he took me
to the very beginning.
537
00:31:21,796 --> 00:31:24,549
During all this time,
538
00:31:24,591 --> 00:31:26,092
Timothy--
539
00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:29,429
you have to remember
he's a psychologist.
540
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:32,891
He made me tell
my whole story.
541
00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:37,270
I don't have much of a memory
542
00:31:37,312 --> 00:31:39,272
till I'm about
543
00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:42,191
four years old.
544
00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:46,613
We lived in the most
beautiful part of Paris
545
00:31:46,654 --> 00:31:48,615
called the Avenue Foch.
546
00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:52,285
Apparently I lied all the time.
547
00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:56,581
My nanny was very Catholic.
548
00:31:56,623 --> 00:31:58,708
Nanny decided with Mommy that
549
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:00,960
I should swear
before the Cross
550
00:32:01,002 --> 00:32:03,129
that I was never going
to lie again.
551
00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:05,423
Well, wow!
552
00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:07,926
I was wrong.
553
00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:09,844
I betrayed Jesus.
554
00:32:13,848 --> 00:32:16,184
Every summer,
555
00:32:16,225 --> 00:32:18,478
I would be taken to stay
556
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,813
at this villa
557
00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:23,024
in the south of France,
558
00:32:23,066 --> 00:32:25,610
the Villa Leonina.
559
00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:27,487
My step-grandfather,
560
00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:30,365
Arpád Plesch,
561
00:32:30,406 --> 00:32:34,535
was what they called
an international financier.
562
00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:37,413
He had this huge,
563
00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:39,457
white villa
564
00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:41,918
overlooking the Mediterranean.
565
00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:48,925
He had 70 servants,
566
00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:51,344
twelve of which were gardeners.
567
00:32:51,386 --> 00:32:54,639
He had a head gardener.
568
00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:58,685
And it was a garden with plants
from all over the world.
569
00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:00,770
And my grandfather flew in
570
00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:03,690
the most extraordinary birds.
571
00:33:03,731 --> 00:33:06,359
It was called the Exotic Garden.
572
00:33:09,404 --> 00:33:11,698
I used to take
my little friend, Rhoda,
573
00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:15,201
to go and play
with the head gardener.
574
00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:17,245
One day my grandfather
575
00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:20,707
took me aside and he said,
576
00:33:20,748 --> 00:33:23,543
"Rhoda told her nanny
577
00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:25,712
that the head gardener
touched her."
578
00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,547
He said to me,
579
00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:31,259
"But all little girls
are Messalinas,
580
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,428
and they try to seduce."
581
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:35,888
That afternoon,
582
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:38,474
I was taken to the gendarmes.
583
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:40,685
Two gendarmes there
584
00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,562
kept asking me
585
00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:45,690
if the head gardener
had touched my pee-pee.
586
00:33:46,941 --> 00:33:50,570
I said, "No. No."
587
00:33:50,611 --> 00:33:52,655
It lasted for what was
588
00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:54,907
a very long time for me.
589
00:33:57,410 --> 00:33:59,245
In the end,
590
00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:03,249
I told them that he did.
591
00:34:05,084 --> 00:34:07,670
But I know that I didn't know,
592
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:09,756
I just wanted to please them.
593
00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:13,092
So they brought him in,
in handcuffs,
594
00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:16,929
for what the French call
"The Confrontation."
595
00:34:16,971 --> 00:34:19,766
They said repeat that
in front of him.
596
00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:22,143
I said, "He touched me."
597
00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:26,230
And they took him to prison.
598
00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:32,111
My mother had
599
00:34:32,153 --> 00:34:34,405
this very handsome chauffeur.
600
00:34:34,447 --> 00:34:36,491
I don't think the chauffeur
601
00:34:36,532 --> 00:34:38,951
was automatically the lover.
602
00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:41,037
I think my mother preferred
603
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,623
ambassadors and commodores
604
00:34:43,664 --> 00:34:45,708
and commanders.
605
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:51,631
She bragged she made
love with Mussolini.
606
00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:53,800
She had hired
this Spanish chauffeur.
607
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:56,135
His name was Jesus.
608
00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,137
She would have none of that.
609
00:34:58,179 --> 00:35:00,723
She named him Ivan.
610
00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:03,810
She wasn't going
to go around calling Jesus.
611
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,107
In those days, in Paris,
612
00:35:09,148 --> 00:35:12,401
it was very fashionable
to have cocktail parties.
613
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:15,613
Six o'clock,
my mother was gone.
614
00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:20,827
She had decorated my bedroom
like it was a farm.
615
00:35:20,868 --> 00:35:23,579
My bed was a wheelbarrow.
616
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:27,458
My cupboard was a barn.
617
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,544
One night,
618
00:35:29,585 --> 00:35:32,839
when Mummy had gone
out to a cocktail party,
619
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,299
the servants were up
in their rooms.
620
00:35:35,341 --> 00:35:37,385
Ivan came to my room.
621
00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:40,596
He started putting his hands
622
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:42,557
under my pajama,
623
00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,976
under the top,
624
00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:46,602
under the bottom.
625
00:35:46,644 --> 00:35:50,189
I tried to concentrate
on the pigeons...
626
00:35:51,774 --> 00:35:53,693
on the window.
627
00:35:53,734 --> 00:35:57,780
They were a lot of pigeons
that would come
628
00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,657
to the window.
629
00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:01,617
I had the feeling
630
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:03,286
there was something that was...
631
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,789
extremely,
632
00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:09,041
extremely wrong.
633
00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:17,800
And at the same time,
634
00:36:22,763 --> 00:36:25,224
I-I felt a sensation
635
00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:31,981
that was not altogether...
636
00:36:36,777 --> 00:36:38,738
disagreeable.
637
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,494
And I want to say this.
638
00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:49,957
The fact that there was
a slight sensation of...
639
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:57,131
of being seen,
640
00:36:57,173 --> 00:36:59,050
of being wanted...
641
00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:02,595
um...
642
00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:06,390
it created
643
00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:11,771
enormous confusion... for me.
644
00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:13,272
The guilt.
645
00:37:14,482 --> 00:37:16,275
Did you tell your mother?
646
00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:18,444
Oh, yeah.
647
00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,780
She said, um...
648
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,951
"Good chauffeurs
are hard to find."
649
00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:30,873
Well, first she said
I was lying.
650
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,335
And then she said...
651
00:37:35,795 --> 00:37:38,881
"Good chauffeurs
are hard to find."
652
00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:43,636
You have to know something
because we're talking about
653
00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:48,683
what motivated me
to look for Timothy Leary.
654
00:37:48,724 --> 00:37:51,602
I feel all of this
is part of it.
655
00:37:51,644 --> 00:37:55,439
He was one of
the foremost psychologists
656
00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:56,983
of our time.
657
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,403
He sensed that
658
00:38:00,444 --> 00:38:03,322
psychedelics
could be medicines...
659
00:38:04,782 --> 00:38:08,286
that they could cure trauma
660
00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:10,329
and PTSD.
661
00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:12,623
This trajectory
of my childhood,
662
00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:16,168
it led me to find him.
663
00:38:42,903 --> 00:38:46,282
So then we went off
to visit a friend of mine
664
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:48,659
who had a beautiful chalet.
665
00:38:48,701 --> 00:38:51,537
You know the Opel cars?
666
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,000
She was the von Opel heir.
667
00:38:56,042 --> 00:38:57,710
She gave a party.
668
00:38:59,211 --> 00:39:02,214
Andy Warhol and his
whole crew showed up.
669
00:39:04,383 --> 00:39:06,969
And Timothy said,
670
00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:11,390
"You and I are
the two most intelligent
men in America."
671
00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:13,017
He turned to me and he said,
672
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,227
"And she is the most intelligent
673
00:39:15,269 --> 00:39:17,605
woman in the world."
674
00:39:19,273 --> 00:39:22,234
Andy brought with him
a whole pile
675
00:39:22,276 --> 00:39:25,738
of 45 rpm records
676
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:27,365
from the '50s.
677
00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:30,910
And he insisted
that we dance.
678
00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:34,246
I love you,
I love you, I love you
679
00:39:34,288 --> 00:39:36,916
And where you go
I'll follow, I'll follow,
I'll follow
680
00:39:36,957 --> 00:39:41,420
You'll always be
my true love, my true love,
my true love
681
00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:46,258
From now until forever,
forever, forever
682
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:47,718
I will follow you
683
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,428
The next day he told me,
684
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:52,807
"We're going
to drive off to Vienna,
685
00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:55,643
and I'm going to do a film
686
00:39:55,684 --> 00:40:02,191
that will say that
I'm completely against drugs."
687
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,986
He felt that the man
who was the prime minister
688
00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:09,448
of Austria was going
to give him asylum.
689
00:40:11,367 --> 00:40:15,788
His asylum in Switzerland
was not safe anymore.
690
00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:20,584
At what point did he become
691
00:40:20,626 --> 00:40:23,587
the most dangerous man
in America?
692
00:40:23,629 --> 00:40:26,799
I think that was
one of Nixon's slogans.
693
00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:32,638
America's public enemy
number one in the United States
694
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,808
is drug abuse.
695
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:37,977
In order to fight
and defeat this enemy,
696
00:40:38,018 --> 00:40:41,063
it is necessary to wage a new,
697
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,732
all-out offensive.
698
00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:46,861
It gets tense
when you're a major outlaw.
699
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:51,490
We got to Vienna,
and what they wanted was
700
00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:55,661
for him to say
that drugs were great.
701
00:40:55,703 --> 00:40:59,206
He wasn't very pleased
to be doing that.
702
00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:06,213
Also, I have to tell you,
703
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:08,841
that at that time
704
00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:12,470
I became completely orange,
705
00:41:12,511 --> 00:41:14,847
like a sunflower.
706
00:41:14,889 --> 00:41:20,019
He suggested we go
to the university hospital,
707
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:22,521
and there were
maybe 200 students there.
708
00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:26,317
I threw off my coat and I
lifted my sleeves and I said,
709
00:41:26,358 --> 00:41:29,820
"Doctor, you have something
more important to do.
710
00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:34,700
You have a patient here
who has a terrible illness."
711
00:41:34,742 --> 00:41:37,786
In the book,
you said you were naked!
712
00:41:37,828 --> 00:41:40,831
Well... maybe I was.
713
00:41:44,084 --> 00:41:46,545
And how did
the students react?
714
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:50,174
Oh, there was a roar.
Everybody adored it.
715
00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:53,886
I don't know,
if Timothy wasn't in love
with me until that moment,
716
00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:57,389
it totally busted
his heart open.
717
00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:03,896
Timothy's daughter
718
00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:06,732
had come back from India.
719
00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:10,402
She had brought water
from the Ganges.
720
00:42:10,444 --> 00:42:13,739
I thought it would be
very gracious on my part
721
00:42:13,781 --> 00:42:15,741
to drink that bottle of water.
722
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:19,370
"This is going to be
your stepdaughter,
723
00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:22,248
and she's the same age you are,
724
00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:26,001
and she hands you a bottle
of water from the Ganges.
725
00:42:27,127 --> 00:42:28,796
So I drank it up.
726
00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,257
I always thought that
it was probably that water
727
00:42:31,298 --> 00:42:34,260
that gave me the...
728
00:42:34,301 --> 00:42:37,304
hepatitis.
729
00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:41,183
In the middle of all that,
Dennis showed up
730
00:42:41,225 --> 00:42:43,102
and started saying...
731
00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:47,147
that we should go
to Afghanistan.
732
00:42:48,482 --> 00:42:51,277
Timothy started explaining,
733
00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:53,946
"I know some people there
734
00:42:53,988 --> 00:42:56,448
who would give us
a lot of money,
735
00:42:56,490 --> 00:43:00,035
and then you and I
will go on to Ceylon,
736
00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:03,872
and we'll be poets on the beach
737
00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:06,709
and have babies."
738
00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:11,880
I thought that was the most
marvelous, magical plan
739
00:43:11,922 --> 00:43:13,507
you could imagine.
740
00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:15,134
Then we found out that Dennis
741
00:43:15,175 --> 00:43:16,969
had driven the Porsche
742
00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:18,721
and totaled it.
743
00:43:22,182 --> 00:43:24,351
There was no way out
744
00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:27,563
but forward and up and in.
745
00:43:31,358 --> 00:43:33,360
We've left Vienna.
746
00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:37,156
We've left what I know.
747
00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:40,451
But we're going
to make a stopover
748
00:43:40,492 --> 00:43:42,661
in Beirut.
749
00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,126
I'm really glad
we're going to Beirut
750
00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:51,503
because I know the president
751
00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:54,840
'cause the president
was in love with my mother.
752
00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,676
I knew we would be
received very well.
753
00:43:57,718 --> 00:44:00,471
Also, I was a star
754
00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:03,682
on Lebanese TV
755
00:44:03,724 --> 00:44:08,062
when I was between
the age of 14 and 15.
756
00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:12,858
I was watching
television in Beirut,
757
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,361
and I saw
they had a quiz show.
758
00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:18,864
I applied for the quiz show
and I was taken.
759
00:44:18,906 --> 00:44:21,533
- To be a contestant.
-To be a contestant.
760
00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:22,993
And I loved it.
761
00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:29,375
You had to figure out
who was lying.
762
00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:31,919
The man who was
in charge of programs
763
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,379
came up to me and he said,
764
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:35,422
"You're really good
on television."
765
00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:37,216
Then I said to him,
766
00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:39,677
"Okay, well, why don't
you produce a show with me?
767
00:44:39,718 --> 00:44:44,682
Let's have a show called
Teenagers Club."
768
00:44:44,723 --> 00:44:47,017
From the book,
you tell a story
769
00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:50,270
that almost all of
the producers were
in love with you.
770
00:44:50,312 --> 00:44:52,147
Well, they were.
771
00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:54,024
When I was 15,
772
00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:57,736
that's when I started
having a lot of sex.
773
00:44:57,778 --> 00:44:59,405
Can't say I regret it.
774
00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:07,830
We stopped in Beirut.
775
00:45:07,871 --> 00:45:11,792
Something very extraordinary
happened there.
776
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:14,420
You have to remember,
777
00:45:14,461 --> 00:45:16,588
I didn't know Timothy
for a long time.
778
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,882
And I really didn't understand
779
00:45:18,924 --> 00:45:23,595
the significance of
his life work until then.
780
00:45:23,637 --> 00:45:28,392
And we're at the son
of the president's house.
781
00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:30,936
He saw all these books
by Jung,
782
00:45:30,978 --> 00:45:34,148
and he turned to me
and he said,
783
00:45:34,189 --> 00:45:36,650
"They're not going
to understand my work
784
00:45:36,692 --> 00:45:39,945
until after I'm dead."
785
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:38,420
He was telling me
he was a fugitive,
so I said to him,
786
00:46:38,462 --> 00:46:40,339
"Well, I have
a really good idea.
787
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:42,174
I think you should dye
your hair."
788
00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:49,348
I mean, I didn't know
I was up against the whole
United States government.
789
00:46:52,184 --> 00:46:54,144
I chose a rock 'n' roll look,
790
00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:58,023
purple trousers
and a silver shirt.
791
00:46:58,065 --> 00:47:00,108
I got some black dye.
792
00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:03,445
So I started putting
the black dye on his hair,
793
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:07,157
but then we made love
794
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,785
and we forgot about
the black dye.
795
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:13,372
And his hair turned out to be
796
00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:15,874
absolute purple.
797
00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:19,378
Here was my rock 'n' roll
star professor.
798
00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:22,339
Here's a question:
799
00:47:22,381 --> 00:47:26,343
why does he have to travel
in some kind of disguise?
800
00:47:26,385 --> 00:47:29,221
He knows that
801
00:47:29,263 --> 00:47:31,223
any place he stops,
802
00:47:31,265 --> 00:47:34,393
he might be arrested.
803
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:39,064
The indictment
804
00:47:39,106 --> 00:47:41,400
had just come out.
805
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:46,113
They charged him with everything
806
00:47:46,154 --> 00:47:48,615
that the Brotherhood
of Eternal Love did.
807
00:47:54,246 --> 00:47:56,248
I am glad
that in this administration
808
00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:59,042
we have increased
the amount of money
809
00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:02,754
for handling the problem
of dangerous drugs sevenfold.
810
00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,173
It will be $600 million
this year.
811
00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:09,511
This is one area where
we cannot have budget cuts.
812
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:11,972
We must wage
what I have called total war
813
00:48:12,014 --> 00:48:15,684
against public enemy number one
in the United States,
814
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:17,603
the problem of dangerous drugs.
815
00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:25,277
Here we are,
816
00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:27,613
Timothy, Dennis and me,
817
00:48:27,654 --> 00:48:31,450
finally on the plane from Beirut
818
00:48:31,491 --> 00:48:33,118
to Kabul.
819
00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:37,414
We walk into the terminal.
820
00:48:37,456 --> 00:48:42,419
This man snaps both passports
821
00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:44,463
out of Timothy's hands.
822
00:48:44,504 --> 00:48:47,799
He throws a card at us,
823
00:48:47,841 --> 00:48:51,345
and he starts
running out of the airport.
824
00:48:51,386 --> 00:48:53,263
"James Senner,
825
00:48:53,305 --> 00:48:58,101
second attaché at the Embassy
of the United States."
826
00:49:01,563 --> 00:49:04,983
It was utter shock.
827
00:49:09,446 --> 00:49:12,491
We go up to
the immigration people--
828
00:49:12,532 --> 00:49:16,995
"You can't come into
this country because you
don't have any passports."
829
00:49:18,038 --> 00:49:20,415
I'm having a fear
830
00:49:20,457 --> 00:49:23,168
like I've never had before.
831
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:25,212
Never had after.
832
00:49:27,547 --> 00:49:29,675
I put on the persona
833
00:49:29,716 --> 00:49:33,095
who threw her coat off
834
00:49:33,136 --> 00:49:36,014
in front of
the professor in Vienna--
835
00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:43,063
"If you separate me
from Timothy Leary, I will die."
836
00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:45,190
I fainted on the floor
837
00:49:45,232 --> 00:49:48,443
to show him
that I meant business.
838
00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:51,446
He said, "We're not going
to separate you."
839
00:49:53,365 --> 00:49:57,119
Then we were taken
to the Plaza Hotel...
840
00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:00,706
where they put foreigners
841
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:03,041
in the rooms
842
00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:05,502
as prisoners.
843
00:50:05,544 --> 00:50:08,880
First time I asked
to go to the toilet,
844
00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:12,217
they let Timothy come
to the toilet with me.
845
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:14,052
He got down on his knees.
846
00:50:14,094 --> 00:50:17,097
I don't know why it still
just makes me cry today.
847
00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:20,767
It was such an act of
tenderness in that moment
848
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:25,272
that was
frenetically terrifying,
849
00:50:25,313 --> 00:50:29,359
with Timothy getting
down on his knees,
850
00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:31,486
carefully, minutiously
851
00:50:31,528 --> 00:50:33,155
cleaning the toilet.
852
00:50:33,196 --> 00:50:35,490
I felt protected
853
00:50:35,532 --> 00:50:37,951
in this moment of horror.
854
00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:43,081
These two Afghani
secret service
855
00:50:43,123 --> 00:50:44,541
came into the room
856
00:50:44,583 --> 00:50:48,086
and they started
interrogating Timothy,
857
00:50:48,128 --> 00:50:51,548
asking him who he was.
858
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:53,717
Timothy said,
859
00:50:53,759 --> 00:50:57,929
"I am not going back to the
United States without Joanna."
860
00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:02,267
And after about four days,
861
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:05,854
they told us that we were
being taken to the airport.
862
00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:13,445
We got into this Jeep
863
00:51:13,487 --> 00:51:16,948
with the soldiers all around
with their machine guns,
864
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:19,326
and we got to the airport.
865
00:51:20,368 --> 00:51:22,954
An Indian doctor came up to me,
866
00:51:22,996 --> 00:51:26,792
presented me
with a paper that said,
867
00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:28,627
"If something happens to you,
868
00:51:28,668 --> 00:51:33,507
you will not hold the
Afghani government responsible."
869
00:51:33,548 --> 00:51:35,884
I signed that paper, yeah.
870
00:51:40,806 --> 00:51:45,310
There was a plane
of Ariana Airlines.
871
00:51:45,352 --> 00:51:47,312
We started going up the steps.
872
00:51:48,688 --> 00:51:50,774
And this man with a beard said,
873
00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:54,152
"Agent Terrence Burke,
874
00:51:54,194 --> 00:51:56,113
dope's the game.
875
00:51:56,154 --> 00:52:00,784
I've come to bring you
back to the United States."
876
00:52:00,826 --> 00:52:04,913
And he handed Timothy
an ID card.
877
00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:08,041
Profession: Philosopher.
878
00:52:10,377 --> 00:52:12,420
They put us in first class.
879
00:52:14,506 --> 00:52:16,466
Two agents in
the seats behind us,
880
00:52:16,508 --> 00:52:19,344
two agents in
the seat opposite us.
881
00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,514
I was so scared.
882
00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:24,015
The plane was going
to do two stops--
883
00:52:24,057 --> 00:52:25,350
Tehran, Paris.
884
00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:28,395
I obviously had
paper to write with
885
00:52:28,436 --> 00:52:29,813
and I had a pen.
886
00:52:29,855 --> 00:52:32,858
And I wrote,
"This is Dr. Timothy Leary.
887
00:52:32,899 --> 00:52:35,152
We are being kidnapped.
888
00:52:35,193 --> 00:52:37,863
Please give this
to the first authority
889
00:52:37,904 --> 00:52:40,949
that you see in
the airport in Paris."
890
00:52:40,991 --> 00:52:46,037
And I start dropping these
little papers on people's laps.
891
00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:50,333
About 15 minutes later,
892
00:52:50,375 --> 00:52:52,043
a voice came on and they said,
893
00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:56,047
"This plane is no longer
going to Paris.
894
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:59,467
It's been diverted
to Germany."
895
00:53:01,344 --> 00:53:04,890
I'm in the hands of people
who can just deviate a plane.
896
00:53:06,558 --> 00:53:10,395
They took us
into an empty waiting room.
897
00:53:11,396 --> 00:53:13,231
And the next day,
898
00:53:13,273 --> 00:53:17,110
they pushed us
onto a plane to L.A.
899
00:53:17,152 --> 00:53:19,237
In first class.
900
00:53:20,614 --> 00:53:22,908
Well, on that flight to L.A.
901
00:53:22,949 --> 00:53:25,577
was this friend of my family,
902
00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:27,787
friend of my sister,
903
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:31,374
this fabulous playboy
who had actually been married
904
00:53:31,416 --> 00:53:33,752
to Brigitte Bardot.
905
00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:38,089
And we drank champagne.
906
00:53:41,426 --> 00:53:44,054
And we talked. And we played.
907
00:53:47,807 --> 00:53:49,935
Timothy made a pact with them,
908
00:53:49,976 --> 00:53:51,895
that they would take care of me.
909
00:53:51,937 --> 00:53:55,190
I didn't really know
what was going to happen.
910
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,067
And shortly before we landed,
911
00:53:57,108 --> 00:54:00,528
he handed me his address book.
912
00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:02,280
He wrote a paper saying:
913
00:54:02,322 --> 00:54:03,907
"The right to speak for me
914
00:54:03,949 --> 00:54:06,910
I hereby lovingly give
to Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
915
00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:08,954
who is my love, my voice,
916
00:54:08,995 --> 00:54:10,956
my wisdom, my words,
917
00:54:10,997 --> 00:54:12,415
my output to the world
918
00:54:12,457 --> 00:54:14,751
for our love,
et cetera, et cetera.
919
00:54:14,793 --> 00:54:18,463
Timothy Leary,
over Montana, USA.
920
00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:21,216
January 18th, 1973."
921
00:54:26,638 --> 00:54:30,183
The day
we were brought back was
922
00:54:30,225 --> 00:54:32,602
the week the Plumbers
923
00:54:32,644 --> 00:54:34,604
got sentenced.
924
00:54:34,646 --> 00:54:38,483
It was the week of Nixon's
second inauguration.
925
00:54:40,402 --> 00:54:42,988
That was absolutely...
926
00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:46,491
calculated.
927
00:54:46,533 --> 00:54:48,868
The law and order President.
928
00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:50,870
They had been
tracking us all along.
929
00:54:50,912 --> 00:54:54,165
I mean, there's absolutely
no doubt about it.
930
00:54:55,875 --> 00:54:58,003
You see, this is why I think
931
00:54:58,044 --> 00:55:01,339
the CIA had a lot
to do with this story.
932
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:04,801
I saw the order
933
00:55:04,843 --> 00:55:07,345
from Ehrlichman that said,
934
00:55:07,387 --> 00:55:09,681
"Capture Dr. Timothy Leary
935
00:55:09,723 --> 00:55:13,643
and return him by any means."
936
00:55:13,685 --> 00:55:15,186
He's the best man
in the world.
937
00:55:15,228 --> 00:55:17,147
He's beautiful.
He's a philosopher.
938
00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:19,024
He's got all the answers.
He's happy.
939
00:55:19,065 --> 00:55:21,318
He's happy, you understand?
He's come back--
940
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:23,987
He's come back because
he has got things to say
941
00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:26,197
because he's a beautiful man
942
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,116
and because he's going
to save the world
943
00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:30,869
and because he's full of love,
and our love is perfect.
944
00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:33,663
Our love is
the most beautiful love
that's ever existed.
945
00:55:33,705 --> 00:55:35,540
I met him two months ago
in Switzerland,
946
00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:38,084
and I haven't left him
a second ever since.
947
00:55:38,126 --> 00:55:40,337
And I know nothing of his past--
948
00:55:40,378 --> 00:55:43,673
I only know that I've lived
with him day and night,
949
00:55:43,715 --> 00:55:45,508
and that he's a perfect man.
950
00:55:45,550 --> 00:55:47,635
Were you with him
when he was arrested?
951
00:55:47,677 --> 00:55:49,846
-A perfect love.
- Were you
with him when he was arrested?
952
00:55:49,888 --> 00:55:51,890
Yes, sir. I was with him.
953
00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:54,142
It was totally illegal.
954
00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:57,979
One of the reasons
I contacted you
955
00:55:58,021 --> 00:56:00,690
is I think there's
still a mystery here.
956
00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:07,572
Same as in Wormwood.
957
00:56:07,614 --> 00:56:09,824
How we were manipulated.
958
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:13,203
How I was used
959
00:56:13,244 --> 00:56:15,872
to lead Timothy Leary
960
00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:18,291
back into custody.
961
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:22,337
And the fact that
962
00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:25,173
I don't know these things.
963
00:56:25,215 --> 00:56:28,760
I was told by Dennis
that Timothy met
964
00:56:28,802 --> 00:56:31,429
with this particular CIA agent
965
00:56:31,471 --> 00:56:34,474
from time to time
in Switzerland.
966
00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:38,144
I don't know what that means.
967
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:41,523
I'm intrigued by it,
968
00:56:41,564 --> 00:56:43,775
still, 40 years later.
969
00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:49,781
I'm not a conspiracy person,
970
00:56:49,823 --> 00:56:53,076
but it does involve my own life.
971
00:56:53,118 --> 00:56:57,330
There's another veil
that has not been uncovered
972
00:56:57,372 --> 00:57:00,125
about what was going on there.
973
00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:03,336
If you could
lift that veil, what
do you think you'd see?
974
00:57:03,378 --> 00:57:06,089
The Timothy Leary story
975
00:57:06,131 --> 00:57:09,717
is a very big political story.
976
00:57:09,759 --> 00:57:12,971
A lot of people
have been manipulated
977
00:57:13,012 --> 00:57:15,181
to manipulate history.
978
00:57:16,516 --> 00:57:20,395
And the more
I understand this story,
979
00:57:20,437 --> 00:57:22,480
the more I understand
980
00:57:22,522 --> 00:57:25,650
that it's part of a puzzle
981
00:57:25,692 --> 00:57:29,112
that's being played out.
982
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:31,739
The grandiosity of the people
983
00:57:31,781 --> 00:57:33,491
I grew up around
984
00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:35,326
was limitless.
985
00:57:35,368 --> 00:57:38,872
Using people as pawns
986
00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:41,458
was definitely their game.
987
00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:49,966
My step-grandfather
Arpád Plesch
988
00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:53,011
was a very,
very nasty character.
989
00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:58,475
He took money
from the Jewish people
990
00:57:58,516 --> 00:57:59,976
that he knew in Germany,
991
00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:04,105
and he hid the money in
Swiss numbered accounts,
992
00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:06,316
and then he denounced
993
00:58:06,357 --> 00:58:07,984
those people
994
00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:10,361
to the Hitler people.
995
00:58:10,403 --> 00:58:11,946
He was not a Jew, however?
996
00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:15,408
Oh, he was a Jew.
Oh, yes, he was a Jew.
997
00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:18,870
I've seen the absolute depravity
998
00:58:18,912 --> 00:58:23,708
of the people who have
the most money in this world.
999
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,502
And I've seen
1000
00:58:25,543 --> 00:58:28,463
how there are
no morals whatsoever.
1001
00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:29,631
None.
1002
00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:32,383
Money and power,
1003
00:58:32,425 --> 00:58:34,093
and that's it.
1004
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,849
Arpád Plesch was married
to both my mother
1005
00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:41,351
and my grandmother.
1006
00:58:43,061 --> 00:58:44,687
When my grandmother died,
1007
00:58:44,729 --> 00:58:47,815
I was taken into the garden
1008
00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:51,486
to see Grandpa marrying Mummy.
1009
00:58:52,612 --> 00:58:54,572
And that was all about money...
1010
00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:58,618
and incest.
1011
00:58:58,660 --> 00:59:02,747
Forgive me,
but how was it that
your grandmother died?
1012
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:06,042
When my grandmother
was dying,
1013
00:59:06,084 --> 00:59:09,128
he went to get a knife
1014
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:12,632
and he plunged into her heart.
1015
00:59:12,674 --> 00:59:16,219
I guess my step-grandfather,
stepfather,
1016
00:59:16,261 --> 00:59:19,889
considered that
it was an act of love,
1017
00:59:19,931 --> 00:59:21,933
that he would make sure
1018
00:59:21,975 --> 00:59:24,852
that his wife was dead.
1019
00:59:24,894 --> 00:59:28,690
Your story
seems like a tragedy
out of ancient Greece.
1020
00:59:29,774 --> 00:59:31,568
Well, it's true, my story.
1021
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:34,946
It's true.
It's very strange.
1022
00:59:34,988 --> 00:59:37,282
It's absolutely true.
1023
01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:16,070
When we got brought
back to the United States,
1024
01:00:16,112 --> 01:00:20,825
I had no idea
who Timothy Leary was.
1025
01:00:20,867 --> 01:00:22,702
Guru, folk hero,
1026
01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:26,497
and political resistor.
1027
01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:30,460
Ten days after we got back,
1028
01:00:30,501 --> 01:00:35,798
I heard that
Dennis had been captured.
1029
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,260
I went to see him
at the county jail
1030
01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:40,637
because he was a link
1031
01:00:40,678 --> 01:00:43,723
with that incredible
time in Europe.
1032
01:00:46,893 --> 01:00:50,980
Dennis said, "I'll be
getting out in a few days.
1033
01:00:51,022 --> 01:00:52,607
I'll meet up with you.
1034
01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:54,942
I'll instruct you
about the whole story--
1035
01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:57,945
who are the villains,
who are the good people."
1036
01:00:59,572 --> 01:01:01,949
All that was a setup.
1037
01:01:04,035 --> 01:01:06,579
Timothy had given me
his address book
1038
01:01:06,621 --> 01:01:10,500
with every name
you could imagine
1039
01:01:10,541 --> 01:01:13,544
and said, "Talk to
these people and free me."
1040
01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:18,466
It was an amazing puzzle.
1041
01:01:20,593 --> 01:01:22,261
This is Folsom prison.
1042
01:01:22,303 --> 01:01:25,431
It holds at
the present time 1,800 men.
1043
01:01:25,473 --> 01:01:27,558
One of them is Timothy Leary.
1044
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,603
He was brought here
after four months
in solitary confinement
1045
01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:33,940
at California Men's Colony
in San Luis Obispo.
1046
01:01:33,981 --> 01:01:36,651
I am Joanna Leary,
and I'd like to see him
1047
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:38,486
out of here
as quick as possible.
1048
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:41,989
I wrote him every day,
1049
01:01:42,031 --> 01:01:43,825
and he wrote me every day.
1050
01:01:46,411 --> 01:01:49,330
I coated stamps in acid.
1051
01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:51,374
He knew
1052
01:01:51,416 --> 01:01:53,084
what was on the stamp.
1053
01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:58,256
And then I put these tiny,
little acid
1054
01:01:58,297 --> 01:02:00,007
in my belly button.
1055
01:02:00,049 --> 01:02:02,927
You see, I have an innie,
1056
01:02:02,969 --> 01:02:06,180
and I never knew how
useful it would become.
1057
01:02:07,724 --> 01:02:09,934
We were allowed to embrace
1058
01:02:09,976 --> 01:02:13,521
in the beginning
and at the end of the visit.
1059
01:02:16,691 --> 01:02:18,943
And I had taken mine
1060
01:02:18,985 --> 01:02:21,446
about ten minutes before.
1061
01:02:21,487 --> 01:02:22,822
When we were kissing,
1062
01:02:22,864 --> 01:02:26,284
I put my hand
up towards his mouth
1063
01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:28,286
and then I put it in.
1064
01:02:28,327 --> 01:02:31,414
We were both... tripping
1065
01:02:31,456 --> 01:02:33,499
at Folsom prison.
1066
01:02:33,541 --> 01:02:35,918
It was orgasmic.
1067
01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:46,220
My mother
came to Folsom prison
1068
01:02:46,262 --> 01:02:49,432
in her Chanel coat.
1069
01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:53,060
She's got her Nancy Reagan
super-coiffed hair.
1070
01:02:53,102 --> 01:02:54,979
She's got her high heels.
1071
01:02:57,482 --> 01:02:59,734
And her very red nails.
1072
01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,319
She was fine.
1073
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,571
I mean, they frisked her.
1074
01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:04,947
They took her ID.
1075
01:03:04,989 --> 01:03:09,076
And we went down
to the visiting room.
1076
01:03:09,118 --> 01:03:12,288
They greeted each other
like they were
1077
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:14,832
the oldest of friends.
1078
01:03:14,874 --> 01:03:18,044
Timothy got down on his knees
1079
01:03:18,085 --> 01:03:20,004
in Folsom Prison,
1080
01:03:20,046 --> 01:03:24,175
and he asked my mother
for my hand.
1081
01:03:24,217 --> 01:03:27,720
She told him how crazy
she thought I was.
1082
01:03:27,762 --> 01:03:29,472
I thought that
there's my mother,
1083
01:03:29,514 --> 01:03:31,891
jealous of my lovers again.
1084
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:37,688
Timothy looked
quite like my father,
1085
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:41,818
Lieutenant Commander
Cecil Harcourt-Smith.
1086
01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:45,363
My mother was just
1087
01:03:45,404 --> 01:03:48,157
gaga about him.
1088
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,368
Were you
jealous of your mother?
1089
01:03:50,409 --> 01:03:53,371
At that moment,
was I jealous of my mother?
1090
01:03:54,413 --> 01:03:55,873
Wow.
1091
01:03:55,915 --> 01:03:59,210
I probably was, terribly!
1092
01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:01,212
I was going to ask you
the generic question,
1093
01:04:01,254 --> 01:04:04,048
What did you learn about sex
from your mother?
1094
01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:06,884
She said that
I had to be very careful
1095
01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:09,178
because when you have sex,
1096
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:11,848
you could get syphilis.
1097
01:04:11,889 --> 01:04:16,227
Oh, she didn't tell me
I could get pregnant!
1098
01:04:16,269 --> 01:04:18,229
I take it
you didn't get syphilis,
1099
01:04:18,271 --> 01:04:19,564
but you did get pregnant.
1100
01:04:19,605 --> 01:04:20,898
Yeah.
1101
01:04:22,108 --> 01:04:23,526
A lot.
1102
01:04:24,652 --> 01:04:27,905
I had to go to her and say,
1103
01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:29,907
"I don't understand.
1104
01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:32,076
My tummy's getting bigger.
1105
01:04:32,118 --> 01:04:34,245
I'm feeling sick.
1106
01:04:34,287 --> 01:04:36,205
I don't know what's happening."
1107
01:04:36,247 --> 01:04:38,791
She took me to a doctor
and they took blood,
1108
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:41,919
and it turned out
I was pregnant.
1109
01:04:41,961 --> 01:04:45,047
I was 15. There was
absolutely no question
1110
01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:47,008
that I was going
to have that child,
1111
01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:50,177
I mean, none whatsoever.
1112
01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:53,097
And then they took me in,
and they took my baby.
1113
01:04:57,310 --> 01:05:00,104
I think I was never
the same again.
1114
01:05:02,315 --> 01:05:04,525
So after that...
1115
01:05:07,945 --> 01:05:10,948
I was in full seduction mode.
1116
01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:15,786
I had to have eight men
at a time to be content.
1117
01:05:15,828 --> 01:05:18,456
Now, I wasn't having sex
with eight men,
1118
01:05:18,497 --> 01:05:23,127
but I had to have eight
major admirers.
1119
01:05:23,169 --> 01:05:25,963
At night in my bed,
I would count them.
1120
01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:29,425
Made me feel warm,
made me feel safe.
1121
01:05:29,467 --> 01:05:31,135
Made me feel wanted.
1122
01:05:32,845 --> 01:05:34,472
This is Helen Koblin,
1123
01:05:34,513 --> 01:05:37,016
and with me is
Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
1124
01:05:37,058 --> 01:05:40,311
Timothy Leary's woman.
She's trying to help Timothy.
1125
01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:43,856
He's sitting in the
solitary confinement cell
1126
01:05:43,898 --> 01:05:46,192
just sending out
energy and love
1127
01:05:46,233 --> 01:05:49,362
to whoever wants
to receive it.
1128
01:06:39,078 --> 01:06:42,331
I had a studio
1129
01:06:42,373 --> 01:06:44,583
under Coit Tower
1130
01:06:44,625 --> 01:06:47,003
in San Francisco.
1131
01:06:47,044 --> 01:06:49,213
Francis Ford Coppola
1132
01:06:49,255 --> 01:06:51,257
gave me an office
1133
01:06:51,298 --> 01:06:54,135
above the Little Fox Theater,
1134
01:06:54,176 --> 01:06:57,930
the Starseed Information Center.
1135
01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:02,768
We'd hatch these crazy projects
1136
01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:05,521
to get Timothy out of prison.
1137
01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:10,401
We'll get a helicopter.
1138
01:07:10,443 --> 01:07:14,238
I will be naked
1139
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,365
with black gloves.
1140
01:07:16,407 --> 01:07:18,325
We'll have this huge
1141
01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:21,579
speakers blasting out
1142
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:23,664
The Dark Side of the Moon.
1143
01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,417
It would make the guards
1144
01:07:26,459 --> 01:07:27,918
completely numb.
1145
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,838
And so we'd pick Timothy
out of the yard,
1146
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,549
take him into the helicopter.
1147
01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:36,510
We'd go to the mountains nearby.
1148
01:07:36,552 --> 01:07:38,929
There would be a whole militia
1149
01:07:38,971 --> 01:07:41,265
that would surround us.
1150
01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:46,103
Also, the Starseed
Information Center
1151
01:07:46,145 --> 01:07:48,439
is from where I published
1152
01:07:48,481 --> 01:07:50,649
five of Timothy's books.
1153
01:07:54,570 --> 01:07:59,575
We felt that as long
as he could write books,
1154
01:07:59,617 --> 01:08:02,161
his mind would
not be imprisoned.
1155
01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:07,166
He would send them to me
in letter form.
1156
01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:08,709
"My darling wife,
1157
01:08:08,751 --> 01:08:10,586
I miss you more
than life itself.
1158
01:08:10,628 --> 01:08:14,965
The seven circuits
of the human brain are,
1159
01:08:15,007 --> 01:08:17,301
one, blah, blah, blah. Two."
1160
01:08:22,306 --> 01:08:23,891
When I was broke,
1161
01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:27,770
I would stand on
Telegraph Avenue
1162
01:08:27,812 --> 01:08:29,605
and I'd sell my books.
1163
01:08:31,315 --> 01:08:33,818
Morning has broken
1164
01:08:33,859 --> 01:08:38,656
Like the first morning...
1165
01:08:38,697 --> 01:08:43,536
One day somebody
introduced me to this man
1166
01:08:43,577 --> 01:08:45,704
we called Franklin,
1167
01:08:45,746 --> 01:08:49,834
because he always had a lot
of hundred-dollar bills.
1168
01:08:49,875 --> 01:08:54,004
He made this acid that
in those days was called
1169
01:08:54,046 --> 01:08:56,006
Clear Light.
1170
01:08:56,048 --> 01:08:58,592
He would give me these vials,
1171
01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:00,094
and I'd go around town,
1172
01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:02,680
and I'd give acid to everybody.
1173
01:09:02,721 --> 01:09:04,557
Like, I'd go to the bank,
1174
01:09:04,598 --> 01:09:06,433
and I would give them some acid.
1175
01:09:06,475 --> 01:09:08,144
And I kid you not,
1176
01:09:08,185 --> 01:09:10,479
they were not at the bank
the following week.
1177
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:17,194
One day, Franklin asked me if
I'd take an acid trip with him.
1178
01:09:18,404 --> 01:09:21,115
And then he took me out to this
1179
01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:23,534
house on the beach.
1180
01:09:23,576 --> 01:09:25,536
All that was
in the living room
1181
01:09:25,578 --> 01:09:28,205
was a king-sized bed...
1182
01:09:29,415 --> 01:09:33,961
with a huge American flag on it.
1183
01:09:34,003 --> 01:09:37,214
When the time came
to take the acid...
1184
01:09:38,424 --> 01:09:42,011
I put it on my tongue.
1185
01:09:42,052 --> 01:09:45,181
He did the same thing,
put it on my tongue.
1186
01:09:45,222 --> 01:09:46,932
He licked my tongue,
1187
01:09:46,974 --> 01:09:48,392
I licked his tongue.
1188
01:09:48,434 --> 01:09:53,772
I lay down on
that American flag.
1189
01:09:53,814 --> 01:09:56,233
I was very, very,
very freaked out.
1190
01:09:58,068 --> 01:10:00,029
Franklin was meditating.
1191
01:10:00,070 --> 01:10:04,325
He wasn't really
into having sex,
1192
01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:06,577
which surprised me a lot.
1193
01:10:06,619 --> 01:10:09,788
But then I went out
on the beach.
1194
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:11,916
There was this bell...
1195
01:10:13,417 --> 01:10:16,128
...going back and forth,
1196
01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:19,131
and a voice came on.
1197
01:10:19,173 --> 01:10:22,009
It was the voice of my mother.
1198
01:10:22,051 --> 01:10:25,429
She was telling me something
that was really important.
1199
01:10:25,471 --> 01:10:27,473
She was saying,
1200
01:10:27,514 --> 01:10:31,518
"You're playing, you're acting,
you're exaggerating."
1201
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,938
In that moment
I realized she was right,
1202
01:10:33,979 --> 01:10:36,357
that I was playing a role
1203
01:10:36,398 --> 01:10:38,525
'cause I was afraid.
1204
01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:42,780
After the trip,
1205
01:10:42,821 --> 01:10:44,615
I said to Franklin,
1206
01:10:44,657 --> 01:10:47,368
"Is there anything
that you need?"
1207
01:10:47,409 --> 01:10:50,704
"Well, I really need
seven pounds
1208
01:10:50,746 --> 01:10:52,289
of ergotamine
1209
01:10:52,331 --> 01:10:55,793
for my next LSD batch."
1210
01:10:55,834 --> 01:10:59,964
My diabolical mind went
into action immediately--
1211
01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:02,132
"Dr. Schwitzhund
1212
01:11:02,174 --> 01:11:05,261
definitely has ergotamine."
1213
01:11:05,302 --> 01:11:06,762
How did you know this?
1214
01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:10,266
Well, I didn't know this.
I was lying.
1215
01:11:10,307 --> 01:11:12,476
I was lying!
1216
01:11:12,518 --> 01:11:15,187
He said, "Well,
how much would it cost?"
1217
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:17,523
"$10,000 a pound."
1218
01:11:17,564 --> 01:11:20,526
He said,
"Fine, get it for me."
1219
01:11:20,567 --> 01:11:24,655
Dennis,
the sorcerer's apprentice,
1220
01:11:24,697 --> 01:11:28,617
told me that
the dope dealer trick is
1221
01:11:28,659 --> 01:11:31,036
to get two adjoining rooms,
1222
01:11:31,078 --> 01:11:34,832
and then you get a room
three floors up.
1223
01:11:34,873 --> 01:11:38,544
You give them the key,
1224
01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:40,921
and then you tell them
to go upstairs
1225
01:11:40,963 --> 01:11:42,840
and get the merchandise.
1226
01:11:42,881 --> 01:11:44,633
They'll come back to the room,
1227
01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:47,177
but you're already
in the adjoining room.
1228
01:11:49,555 --> 01:11:52,016
I loved Franklin,
1229
01:11:52,057 --> 01:11:57,688
but I desperately needed
the money to free Timothy.
1230
01:11:57,730 --> 01:12:01,275
I got a beautiful
little Halliburton suitcase.
1231
01:12:01,317 --> 01:12:04,445
Timothy had given me
this exquisite
1232
01:12:04,486 --> 01:12:08,198
gold tantric ring.
1233
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,868
I put all those things
in the suitcase.
1234
01:12:12,953 --> 01:12:15,873
One fine day,
1235
01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:19,293
I made an appointment with him
at this hotel on the wharf.
1236
01:12:21,754 --> 01:12:24,548
In the elevator I said to him,
1237
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:27,760
"Shall we just go
to that room and make love?"
1238
01:12:27,801 --> 01:12:30,721
Was this
just to trick him or--
1239
01:12:30,763 --> 01:12:35,225
No! It was the opposite
of tricking him.
1240
01:12:35,267 --> 01:12:38,395
If we'd made love, I probably
wouldn't have tricked him.
1241
01:12:38,437 --> 01:12:41,398
And who was waiting
in the room next door?
1242
01:12:42,691 --> 01:12:44,360
Dennis.
1243
01:12:45,903 --> 01:12:47,821
Machiavellian Dennis.
1244
01:12:50,074 --> 01:12:55,037
And you would
have made love to Franklin
with Dennis listening?
1245
01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:57,915
Franklin was more important
to me than Dennis.
1246
01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:03,087
So we went to the room,
1247
01:13:03,128 --> 01:13:06,090
and he gave me
this little accordion folder
1248
01:13:06,131 --> 01:13:08,217
with $10,000
1249
01:13:08,258 --> 01:13:10,594
in each space.
1250
01:13:10,636 --> 01:13:12,012
And then after a while,
1251
01:13:12,054 --> 01:13:13,555
my lookout told me
1252
01:13:13,597 --> 01:13:16,600
that he had left the building.
1253
01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:20,062
It was late at night by then.
1254
01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:22,439
And I had somebody drive me
1255
01:13:22,481 --> 01:13:24,441
to Mill Valley
1256
01:13:24,483 --> 01:13:26,110
to this lawyer,
1257
01:13:26,151 --> 01:13:28,278
and I knocked like crazy.
1258
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,031
When he opened up,
he was in his robe and...
1259
01:13:33,367 --> 01:13:35,786
I sat at the kitchen table
with him.
1260
01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:41,917
And I threw the money
on the table.
1261
01:13:43,252 --> 01:13:45,337
"Can you get him out now?"
1262
01:13:46,964 --> 01:13:49,550
And he said to me, "No,
1263
01:13:49,591 --> 01:13:52,636
it's not a question of money.
1264
01:13:52,678 --> 01:13:54,972
He's a political prisoner."
1265
01:13:57,182 --> 01:13:59,476
Most of the men
that I model myself after
1266
01:13:59,518 --> 01:14:02,312
have been lucky
if they got away with, uh,
1267
01:14:02,354 --> 01:14:04,481
just being in prison
1268
01:14:04,523 --> 01:14:06,984
for their ideas.
1269
01:15:00,704 --> 01:15:03,665
Dennis is
insinuating himself more
1270
01:15:03,707 --> 01:15:05,417
and more
into all of this, no?
1271
01:15:06,710 --> 01:15:09,546
I have pain about it, but...
1272
01:15:09,588 --> 01:15:12,382
may that be present
with us as well.
1273
01:15:12,424 --> 01:15:14,718
I was taking a lot of cocaine.
1274
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,553
Dennis was providing it.
1275
01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:19,223
I was smoking
a lot of cannabis.
1276
01:15:19,264 --> 01:15:21,892
I was drinking
a lot of alcohol.
1277
01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:23,560
On some days I would just
1278
01:15:23,602 --> 01:15:26,230
lie in my--
in my studio,
1279
01:15:26,271 --> 01:15:29,024
watch the Watergate hearings,
1280
01:15:29,066 --> 01:15:32,945
and hope that
something might change.
1281
01:15:32,986 --> 01:15:35,030
But as the case progressed,
it became obvious
1282
01:15:35,072 --> 01:15:36,532
that there were higher-ups,
1283
01:15:36,573 --> 01:15:38,742
men who ordered
the bugging operations
1284
01:15:38,784 --> 01:15:40,327
and who paid for it.
1285
01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:41,828
And now it takes a scorecard
1286
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:44,206
to keep track
of those connected with it
1287
01:15:44,248 --> 01:15:47,042
in one way or another.
1288
01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:49,211
Timothy always said that
1289
01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:51,129
his imprisonment
1290
01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:54,049
would be harder for me
than for him.
1291
01:15:54,091 --> 01:15:58,011
Needless for me to say
to you that, um,
1292
01:15:58,053 --> 01:15:59,888
I was very sensual.
1293
01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:02,140
I was 27 years old.
1294
01:16:03,267 --> 01:16:06,061
I had shared with Timothy
1295
01:16:06,103 --> 01:16:09,106
that I was going to have sex.
1296
01:16:09,147 --> 01:16:12,859
It was the time of free love,
1297
01:16:12,901 --> 01:16:15,821
and he was the bishop
of free love.
1298
01:16:17,823 --> 01:16:20,826
I imagined myself
as Scheherazade.
1299
01:16:22,619 --> 01:16:25,080
I wouldn't tell him
who it was,
1300
01:16:25,122 --> 01:16:26,790
but I'd describe
1301
01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:30,711
how I'd made love
with another person.
1302
01:16:30,752 --> 01:16:32,921
One time it might be a woman,
1303
01:16:32,963 --> 01:16:35,173
one time it was a hermaphrodite.
1304
01:16:36,842 --> 01:16:39,886
Dennis was one of the people
I had sex with.
1305
01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:44,933
After a while,
he said to me that
1306
01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:48,770
he was working as an informant
for the government.
1307
01:16:48,812 --> 01:16:51,648
Timothy should get out that way
1308
01:16:51,690 --> 01:16:55,902
because he won't get out
any other way.
1309
01:16:55,944 --> 01:16:59,823
I passed on that information
to him a couple of times.
1310
01:16:59,865 --> 01:17:02,242
I had no idea
of the implications.
1311
01:17:02,284 --> 01:17:03,744
Really?
1312
01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:06,288
None!
1313
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:10,167
You have to understand
how incredibly naive I was.
1314
01:17:11,752 --> 01:17:14,463
I always wondered why
1315
01:17:14,504 --> 01:17:18,925
one Thursday I went
to see him at Vacaville
1316
01:17:18,967 --> 01:17:20,844
and he said,
1317
01:17:20,886 --> 01:17:24,681
"Send a telegram to the FBI
1318
01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:27,643
and tell them
I'm ready to cooperate."
1319
01:17:27,684 --> 01:17:29,645
People have accused me
1320
01:17:29,686 --> 01:17:32,356
of being the one
who made him do it.
1321
01:17:33,732 --> 01:17:36,276
That's impossible.
1322
01:17:36,318 --> 01:17:39,321
That's the story
of The Blue Angel,
1323
01:17:39,363 --> 01:17:41,823
the sexy singer
1324
01:17:41,865 --> 01:17:45,452
who perverts the professor.
1325
01:17:45,494 --> 01:17:47,079
No!
1326
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,040
That's ridiculous!
1327
01:17:52,626 --> 01:17:54,503
I was like
Alice in Wonderland.
1328
01:17:54,544 --> 01:17:57,839
I didn't have
any point of reference.
1329
01:17:58,965 --> 01:18:01,301
I didn't realize
1330
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,929
how alien I was.
1331
01:18:05,931 --> 01:18:08,225
To Allen Ginsberg,
1332
01:18:08,266 --> 01:18:10,769
I was not fit
1333
01:18:10,811 --> 01:18:13,230
to be the next acid queen.
1334
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,528
By then I was living
in Mill Valley.
1335
01:18:22,364 --> 01:18:25,158
I sent this telegram
1336
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,494
to the FBI:
1337
01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:31,081
"Timothy ready
to cooperate with government."
1338
01:18:31,123 --> 01:18:33,917
Couple of days after that,
1339
01:18:33,959 --> 01:18:37,337
FBI agents came from Chicago
1340
01:18:37,379 --> 01:18:41,508
because that's where they were
searching for the Weathermen.
1341
01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:46,722
And they knew
that Timothy was connected
to the Weathermen.
1342
01:18:46,763 --> 01:18:50,267
They had helped him
escape from prison.
1343
01:18:51,435 --> 01:18:53,437
They brought me in.
1344
01:18:53,478 --> 01:18:55,647
He asked me if I'd be willing
1345
01:18:55,689 --> 01:18:59,901
to work for his release.
1346
01:18:59,943 --> 01:19:04,573
There was no limits
to my stand-by-your-man.
1347
01:19:04,614 --> 01:19:07,868
No limits.
1348
01:19:07,909 --> 01:19:10,912
By then we had been
talking of having a baby.
1349
01:19:10,954 --> 01:19:13,540
We had named the baby.
1350
01:19:13,582 --> 01:19:14,958
What was the name?
1351
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,251
It was going to be a girl,
1352
01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:18,795
and her name was going
to be Chrysalis.
1353
01:19:20,422 --> 01:19:23,258
No abbreviation to Chrys.
1354
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:24,885
Chrysalis.
1355
01:19:24,926 --> 01:19:26,762
You have to know that after
1356
01:19:26,803 --> 01:19:29,055
visiting your man in prison
1357
01:19:29,097 --> 01:19:32,434
and seeing how
all appeals were refused.
1358
01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:35,395
Lawyers didn't know
how to get him out.
1359
01:19:38,023 --> 01:19:41,318
I would do anything,
anything at all.
1360
01:19:42,819 --> 01:19:44,738
The DEA had me
1361
01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:48,116
completely at their mercy.
1362
01:19:48,158 --> 01:19:51,495
They used me as Mata Hari.
1363
01:19:51,536 --> 01:19:53,455
They used me to go after
1364
01:19:53,497 --> 01:19:55,749
the counterculture lawyers.
1365
01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:59,503
Call being made by SR14X037
to George Chula's office.
1366
01:20:17,854 --> 01:20:19,397
So, I had dinner with him.
1367
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,651
I asked him if the next time
we got together
1368
01:20:22,692 --> 01:20:25,028
he could bring me
a gram of cocaine.
1369
01:20:26,238 --> 01:20:29,324
And when we had dinner,
I was wired.
1370
01:20:29,366 --> 01:20:32,118
They put a box on my leg,
1371
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,539
chose very sexy clothes for me,
1372
01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:39,084
and they recorded
the conversation.
1373
01:20:40,919 --> 01:20:43,547
I behaved very femme fatale,
1374
01:20:44,714 --> 01:20:47,133
extremely flirtatious,
1375
01:20:47,175 --> 01:20:48,552
seductive,
1376
01:20:48,593 --> 01:20:51,680
and dangerous.
1377
01:20:51,721 --> 01:20:54,766
You can have me,
but you can't keep me.
1378
01:21:35,307 --> 01:21:40,103
And it was kind of the same
thing as with Franklin.
1379
01:21:40,145 --> 01:21:44,441
They got two rooms
at the Disneyland Hotel.
1380
01:21:44,482 --> 01:21:46,610
In one room, they had
all their machines
1381
01:21:46,651 --> 01:21:48,528
and setups and all of that.
1382
01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:52,866
I was supposed to receive
Chula in the other room.
1383
01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:54,868
He said to me on the phone
1384
01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:57,913
he stopped somewhere,
1385
01:21:57,954 --> 01:22:00,290
and a lifeguard on the beach
1386
01:22:00,332 --> 01:22:03,460
said to him that
he had a walkie-talkie...
1387
01:22:04,502 --> 01:22:06,463
and there were federal agents,
1388
01:22:06,504 --> 01:22:09,090
and they were having
an incredible conversation
1389
01:22:09,132 --> 01:22:11,343
about how they
were going to bust him.
1390
01:22:13,386 --> 01:22:16,681
And this
lifeguard on the beach
1391
01:22:16,723 --> 01:22:19,809
had picked up the signal,
1392
01:22:19,851 --> 01:22:21,811
and they were overjubilant
1393
01:22:21,853 --> 01:22:25,941
that they were going to arrest
Timothy Leary's lawyer.
1394
01:22:25,982 --> 01:22:28,443
So in the end, he never came.
1395
01:22:30,236 --> 01:22:33,865
But on the night that
we were at the restaurant,
1396
01:22:33,907 --> 01:22:37,202
he had given me
a little cocaine,
1397
01:22:37,243 --> 01:22:40,538
and I turned that over
to the agents.
1398
01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:42,999
The main agent's name was
1399
01:22:43,041 --> 01:22:46,294
Donald E. Strange.
1400
01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:48,672
This is Dr. Timothy Leary.
1401
01:22:48,713 --> 01:22:49,923
How are you?
1402
01:22:49,965 --> 01:22:51,466
Hello, Don.
1403
01:22:51,508 --> 01:22:53,843
We're going to talk
a little bit about, uh,
1404
01:22:53,885 --> 01:22:57,430
Dr. Leary and the things
he's been doing, uh,
1405
01:22:57,472 --> 01:22:59,641
since 1960.
1406
01:22:59,683 --> 01:23:02,268
And just how he--
1407
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:04,938
he came to the Drug
Enforcement Administration.
1408
01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:07,691
Well, I had been away
from the United States
1409
01:23:07,732 --> 01:23:09,943
for about
two-and-a-half years.
1410
01:23:09,985 --> 01:23:12,028
And when the plane landed
1411
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:13,863
on the Los Angeles runway,
1412
01:23:13,905 --> 01:23:15,865
the first person
I met was Don Strange,
1413
01:23:15,907 --> 01:23:18,702
who welcomed me
with handcuffs.
1414
01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:20,161
I felt basically relieved
1415
01:23:20,203 --> 01:23:21,538
uh, to be back.
1416
01:23:21,579 --> 01:23:23,748
I felt that the work
I had to do
1417
01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:27,168
and the process
of reconciliation
1418
01:23:27,210 --> 01:23:30,213
and of dialogue of
constructive activity
1419
01:23:30,255 --> 01:23:31,715
that had to be done
1420
01:23:31,756 --> 01:23:33,383
was going
to take place here.
1421
01:23:38,263 --> 01:23:40,098
They moved Timothy
1422
01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:44,894
to the rural prison
1423
01:23:44,936 --> 01:23:47,439
near Sacramento.
1424
01:23:49,065 --> 01:23:53,319
I wasn't allowed to go
out of my apartment,
1425
01:23:53,361 --> 01:23:56,740
except with a federal agent.
1426
01:23:56,781 --> 01:24:00,160
They said that
it was dangerous for me.
1427
01:24:01,619 --> 01:24:04,581
They decided they
should change my name.
1428
01:24:06,082 --> 01:24:07,542
So one day,
1429
01:24:07,584 --> 01:24:10,420
this big,
tall U.S. Marshal said,
1430
01:24:10,462 --> 01:24:13,048
"Now your name
from now on will be
1431
01:24:13,089 --> 01:24:16,176
Virginia Church."
1432
01:24:16,217 --> 01:24:18,178
What was Leary's name?
1433
01:24:18,219 --> 01:24:19,679
Charlie Thrush.
1434
01:24:20,972 --> 01:24:23,266
And they published in Newsweek
1435
01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:27,103
that Timothy
had became a snitch,
1436
01:24:27,145 --> 01:24:29,481
a government informant.
1437
01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:33,234
I thought--
1438
01:24:33,276 --> 01:24:37,781
I was trying to get
Timothy out of prison,
1439
01:24:37,822 --> 01:24:41,743
but they used me
to discredit him.
1440
01:24:41,785 --> 01:24:44,954
This is a press
conference that I wish
1441
01:24:44,996 --> 01:24:46,581
was not taking place.
1442
01:24:46,623 --> 01:24:49,417
It is a symptom
of the credibility crisis
1443
01:24:49,459 --> 01:24:52,253
in America
symbolized by Watergate
1444
01:24:52,295 --> 01:24:55,882
and President Ford's
pardoning of Richard Nixon.
1445
01:24:55,924 --> 01:24:58,343
There's a straight line
between Watergate
1446
01:24:58,384 --> 01:24:59,886
and Timothy Leary.
1447
01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:02,305
The very same
Justice Department
1448
01:25:02,347 --> 01:25:05,642
has both forced and persuaded
1449
01:25:05,683 --> 01:25:08,728
Timothy Leary
to lie and fabricate
1450
01:25:08,770 --> 01:25:11,898
elaborate stories
to get out of jail.
1451
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,651
Leary's new girlfriend,
Joanna Harcourt-Smith,
1452
01:25:14,692 --> 01:25:18,321
declared that Leary
would not remain in prison.
1453
01:25:18,363 --> 01:25:20,323
Harcourt-Smith said
that Leary was willing
1454
01:25:20,365 --> 01:25:22,575
to make a deal
with the government.
1455
01:25:22,617 --> 01:25:26,454
When Timothy
was in this rural prison,
1456
01:25:26,496 --> 01:25:28,623
they moved me from the apartment
1457
01:25:28,665 --> 01:25:30,750
into the home
1458
01:25:30,792 --> 01:25:33,128
of the U.S. Marshal--
1459
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:36,840
Art Van Court
and his wife Marcia.
1460
01:25:36,881 --> 01:25:41,719
Although they're keeping me
in protective custody,
1461
01:25:41,761 --> 01:25:45,098
it felt kind of good
to have home-cooked meals
1462
01:25:45,140 --> 01:25:47,350
and be with a regular family.
1463
01:25:49,018 --> 01:25:53,773
One day, I went to see
Timothy at the small jail,
1464
01:25:53,815 --> 01:25:57,777
and as we were embracing,
he whispered,
1465
01:25:57,819 --> 01:25:59,154
"G-U-N."
1466
01:25:59,195 --> 01:26:02,073
Because what if
they read his lips?
1467
01:26:04,075 --> 01:26:06,327
I said to Dennis,
1468
01:26:06,369 --> 01:26:09,205
"Where can I find a gun?"
1469
01:26:09,247 --> 01:26:11,708
He took me to this garage...
1470
01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:14,961
just like in the movies.
1471
01:26:15,003 --> 01:26:19,007
Greasy man with his jumpsuit.
1472
01:26:19,048 --> 01:26:21,801
I thought I had
to play the game,
1473
01:26:21,843 --> 01:26:24,554
and I sat on his lap.
1474
01:26:24,596 --> 01:26:27,307
I gave him $100,
1475
01:26:27,348 --> 01:26:29,601
and he gave me a little gun.
1476
01:26:30,768 --> 01:26:32,395
I couldn't take it anymore--
1477
01:26:32,437 --> 01:26:34,063
the snitching
1478
01:26:34,105 --> 01:26:35,899
and the setting people up.
1479
01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:39,068
I was ready to kill everybody.
1480
01:26:40,528 --> 01:26:44,991
In the beginning,
when Timothy escaped,
1481
01:26:45,033 --> 01:26:49,120
the Weathermen took him
to a safe house
1482
01:26:49,162 --> 01:26:51,080
in Oregon.
1483
01:26:51,122 --> 01:26:54,959
The FBI wanted
Timothy to show them
1484
01:26:55,001 --> 01:26:58,254
where the safe house was.
1485
01:26:58,296 --> 01:27:01,174
And we had to drive
through San Francisco,
1486
01:27:01,216 --> 01:27:02,884
I don't know why.
1487
01:27:03,843 --> 01:27:06,262
And all of a sudden,
1488
01:27:06,304 --> 01:27:09,724
this huge .357 Magnum
1489
01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:12,936
comes floating under the seat,
1490
01:27:12,977 --> 01:27:15,730
right to Timothy's foot.
1491
01:27:15,772 --> 01:27:18,608
And I thought,
"This is meant to be."
1492
01:27:18,650 --> 01:27:20,401
Now we have two guns,
1493
01:27:20,443 --> 01:27:22,028
and we're going to be free.
1494
01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:28,993
And he was reading
the San Francisco Chronicle.
1495
01:27:32,997 --> 01:27:34,540
And he wrapped the gun up,
1496
01:27:34,582 --> 01:27:37,710
and he handed it
back over to the agent.
1497
01:27:37,752 --> 01:27:39,587
Somehow I realized that
1498
01:27:39,629 --> 01:27:41,881
this was just a dream,
1499
01:27:41,923 --> 01:27:44,133
a crazy, maniac,
1500
01:27:44,175 --> 01:27:46,135
insane dream.
1501
01:27:49,180 --> 01:27:52,976
So we proceeded
through the forests of Oregon.
1502
01:27:53,017 --> 01:27:54,769
We got out of the car
1503
01:27:54,811 --> 01:27:56,187
and Timothy said to me,
1504
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:59,399
"Do you realize
that if we kill them,
1505
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:03,111
we'll have to kill
everybody we meet
1506
01:28:03,152 --> 01:28:04,988
until they kill us."
1507
01:28:05,029 --> 01:28:07,699
And at that moment,
I lifted my head
1508
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:11,286
and the FBI agent
was right in front of us.
1509
01:28:11,327 --> 01:28:13,997
And he said,
1510
01:28:14,038 --> 01:28:16,666
"Do you mind if I shoot you?"
1511
01:28:22,505 --> 01:28:25,341
Did you ever find
the Weathermen house?
1512
01:28:27,719 --> 01:28:29,554
I don't remember.
1513
01:28:31,848 --> 01:28:34,017
At some point,
1514
01:28:34,058 --> 01:28:35,685
Dennis became so annoying
1515
01:28:35,727 --> 01:28:40,481
about the fact that
I should be only with him,
1516
01:28:40,523 --> 01:28:42,942
he wrote a letter
1517
01:28:42,984 --> 01:28:45,236
to the U.S. Marshal saying
1518
01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:48,906
that I'd been
having sex with him.
1519
01:28:48,948 --> 01:28:51,951
My love for Timothy
was untrue.
1520
01:28:51,993 --> 01:28:54,537
It was like
my world collapsed.
1521
01:28:56,289 --> 01:28:58,416
I went back to Marbella,
1522
01:28:58,458 --> 01:29:01,461
to my mother's house,
1523
01:29:01,502 --> 01:29:04,255
and one day Dennis
showed up at the door.
1524
01:29:08,343 --> 01:29:10,887
He asked my mother
if he could marry me.
1525
01:29:12,513 --> 01:29:16,934
My mother said,
"Who do you think you are?
1526
01:29:16,976 --> 01:29:19,354
The son of a hairdresser?
1527
01:29:19,395 --> 01:29:22,231
Never in the world!"
1528
01:29:27,570 --> 01:29:29,906
A couple of days later,
1529
01:29:29,947 --> 01:29:33,576
I was going to a fabulous party.
1530
01:29:33,618 --> 01:29:37,288
Adnan Khashoggi
gave me a couple of Quaaludes.
1531
01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:39,999
From then on,
1532
01:29:40,041 --> 01:29:43,878
I'm not quite sure
what I did.
1533
01:29:45,338 --> 01:29:49,592
But the next morning,
I called my mother.
1534
01:29:49,634 --> 01:29:52,095
She said, "Dennis is dead."
1535
01:29:55,264 --> 01:29:56,682
I felt he was killed.
1536
01:29:56,724 --> 01:29:59,519
You know, don't ask me
for any proof.
1537
01:30:00,686 --> 01:30:03,147
I went to his room.
1538
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:05,233
There were pills,
1539
01:30:05,274 --> 01:30:08,069
but they were half full.
1540
01:30:08,111 --> 01:30:11,614
And that really set off
a bug in my ear.
1541
01:30:13,282 --> 01:30:15,159
Then there was his diary.
1542
01:30:16,911 --> 01:30:19,122
The last words were,
1543
01:30:26,254 --> 01:30:29,549
Please don't let on
1544
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:31,801
That you knew me when
1545
01:30:31,843 --> 01:30:33,761
I was hungry
1546
01:30:33,803 --> 01:30:36,848
And it was your world
1547
01:30:38,099 --> 01:30:40,393
Ah, you fake
1548
01:30:40,435 --> 01:30:42,979
Just like a woman
1549
01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:45,064
Yes, you do
1550
01:30:45,106 --> 01:30:46,482
You make love
1551
01:30:46,524 --> 01:30:49,402
Just like a woman
1552
01:30:49,444 --> 01:30:51,112
Yes, you do
1553
01:30:51,154 --> 01:30:56,159
Then you ache
just like a woman
1554
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:01,998
But you break just
like a little girl
1555
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:03,499
One day,
1556
01:31:03,541 --> 01:31:07,336
after a little over
three and a half years,
1557
01:31:07,378 --> 01:31:09,338
he got out of prison.
1558
01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:12,008
Neurology lives!
1559
01:31:12,049 --> 01:31:13,885
How you feel, Tim?
1560
01:31:13,926 --> 01:31:15,344
-I feel beautiful.
-Great.
1561
01:31:15,386 --> 01:31:18,139
I want to thank Joanna
and Mr. Milano
1562
01:31:18,181 --> 01:31:21,684
and all my friends
who helped me get out.
1563
01:31:21,726 --> 01:31:23,853
And to those who didn't help,
1564
01:31:23,895 --> 01:31:25,521
I want to be reassuring,
1565
01:31:25,563 --> 01:31:27,356
it's all going
to work out all right.
1566
01:31:27,398 --> 01:31:28,691
And in particular,
1567
01:31:28,733 --> 01:31:30,818
I want to send
a message of support
1568
01:31:30,860 --> 01:31:34,113
to Andrei Sakharov, who's doing
the same thing in Russia.
1569
01:31:38,409 --> 01:31:40,203
Have a good time!
1570
01:31:41,537 --> 01:31:43,706
- Bless you, Tim.
1571
01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:49,504
I had reserved a room
at the Valencia Hotel
1572
01:31:49,545 --> 01:31:52,548
in La Jolla.
1573
01:31:52,590 --> 01:31:55,843
We went to the restaurant
in the hotel,
1574
01:31:55,885 --> 01:31:59,472
and I think he must
have ordered everything
that was on the menu.
1575
01:32:01,224 --> 01:32:02,975
He was a very elegant man,
1576
01:32:03,017 --> 01:32:06,479
but I'll tell you, that night,
he was eating like a pig.
1577
01:32:06,521 --> 01:32:10,900
It was a joy to see him
taste real life again.
1578
01:32:10,942 --> 01:32:12,568
We went to bed,
1579
01:32:12,610 --> 01:32:15,071
and in the morning,
there was a big...
1580
01:32:15,112 --> 01:32:17,865
-...loud knock on the door.
1581
01:32:17,907 --> 01:32:21,410
It was the U.S. Marshals again.
1582
01:32:21,452 --> 01:32:24,914
"We need to put you in
the Witness Protection Program
1583
01:32:24,956 --> 01:32:26,624
because otherwise
1584
01:32:26,666 --> 01:32:29,335
you're going to end up
on a slab."
1585
01:32:31,504 --> 01:32:36,759
They said to Timothy,
"We're going to relocate you
in Salt Lake City."
1586
01:32:36,801 --> 01:32:38,427
And he didn't miss a beat:
1587
01:32:38,469 --> 01:32:41,138
"Do you think you could change
that for Santa Fe?"
1588
01:32:41,180 --> 01:32:43,432
And they started making calls.
1589
01:32:43,474 --> 01:32:45,810
Santa Fe it was.
1590
01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:52,525
We were in an "A"-frame cabin
out in the wilderness.
1591
01:32:54,735 --> 01:32:57,780
No electricity, no gas.
1592
01:32:57,822 --> 01:32:59,782
That was very unfamiliar to me.
1593
01:32:59,824 --> 01:33:03,286
I mean, to this day
I've never camped.
1594
01:33:03,327 --> 01:33:05,246
I'm a Parisian.
1595
01:33:06,998 --> 01:33:10,293
All I knew was,
lie in the forest naked
1596
01:33:10,334 --> 01:33:12,962
and get brown under the sun.
1597
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:20,636
I'm fond of saying that
I became a better Timothy Leary
1598
01:33:20,678 --> 01:33:23,431
than Timothy Leary himself.
1599
01:33:23,472 --> 01:33:26,767
I had traveled to colleges...
1600
01:33:28,561 --> 01:33:29,979
given lectures,
1601
01:33:30,021 --> 01:33:32,648
shown the Folsom film,
1602
01:33:32,690 --> 01:33:35,818
pleaded for his release.
1603
01:33:35,860 --> 01:33:40,031
I wonder if there was
room for two Timothy Learys.
1604
01:33:40,072 --> 01:33:42,533
One night,
1605
01:33:42,575 --> 01:33:44,493
we had a terrible fight.
1606
01:33:51,375 --> 01:33:54,128
And in the morning
he was gone.
1607
01:33:57,340 --> 01:34:00,676
To this day,
I don't understand it.
1608
01:34:03,054 --> 01:34:05,264
We never got back together.
1609
01:34:09,477 --> 01:34:11,270
I thought
1610
01:34:11,312 --> 01:34:14,106
he would protect me
1611
01:34:14,148 --> 01:34:16,192
for the rest of my life.
1612
01:34:19,153 --> 01:34:21,238
I thought I was safe.
1613
01:34:24,492 --> 01:34:27,036
And I don't know
why he went away.
1614
01:34:47,181 --> 01:34:49,225
Every year that goes by,
1615
01:34:49,266 --> 01:34:51,519
I love my mother more.
1616
01:34:52,978 --> 01:34:57,566
My mother smoked these
Winstons endlessly.
1617
01:34:59,276 --> 01:35:01,654
She had a big tumor
1618
01:35:01,696 --> 01:35:04,156
between her lungs.
1619
01:35:04,198 --> 01:35:06,242
It was inoperable.
1620
01:35:07,243 --> 01:35:10,287
I made her go
to Mercy Hospital.
1621
01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:17,169
And she said, "This is
a very, very bad hotel.
1622
01:35:17,211 --> 01:35:19,255
I want you to pack
the suitcases,
1623
01:35:19,296 --> 01:35:21,298
and we're leaving.
1624
01:35:25,094 --> 01:35:28,055
This is the worst hotel
I've been in.
1625
01:35:28,097 --> 01:35:30,266
And open everything."
1626
01:35:31,392 --> 01:35:33,436
I opened the windows,
1627
01:35:33,477 --> 01:35:35,771
I opened the door.
1628
01:35:36,814 --> 01:35:38,524
I was holding her hand.
1629
01:35:39,608 --> 01:35:42,278
And it was clear
to me the moment
1630
01:35:42,319 --> 01:35:44,947
she stopped breathing.
1631
01:35:46,323 --> 01:35:49,452
She took a breath,
but there was no exhale.
1632
01:35:51,746 --> 01:35:54,415
And then this one tear
1633
01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:56,792
came rolling down her cheek.
1634
01:35:58,210 --> 01:36:00,463
One question
I have to ask you
1635
01:36:00,504 --> 01:36:03,966
which I'm sure everyone
is asking you themselves,
1636
01:36:04,008 --> 01:36:06,051
and that is, Why?
1637
01:36:06,093 --> 01:36:07,386
Why are you doing this?
1638
01:36:07,428 --> 01:36:09,972
Why are you
working with DEA,
1639
01:36:10,014 --> 01:36:13,476
the government,
at this point?
1640
01:36:13,517 --> 01:36:15,311
I can understand
that there might be
1641
01:36:15,352 --> 01:36:17,730
some skepticism
that I'm simply here
1642
01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:19,648
talking to you because
1643
01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:21,650
I'm under prison sentence.
1644
01:36:21,692 --> 01:36:24,737
I want to reassure everyone
that I'm not brainwashed.
1645
01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:28,157
No promises
have been made to me
1646
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:30,075
by any law enforcement agency.
1647
01:36:30,117 --> 01:36:33,162
The future is much
too important
1648
01:36:33,204 --> 01:36:35,581
to be ruled by the past.
1649
01:36:37,041 --> 01:36:38,834
The war is over,
and I'm glad,
1650
01:36:38,876 --> 01:36:41,796
and I'm ready for
a long period of, uh,
1651
01:36:41,837 --> 01:36:43,672
harmonious peace.
1652
01:36:48,928 --> 01:36:50,346
I have nothing else.
1653
01:36:50,387 --> 01:36:53,724
That was a--
that was a good ending.
1654
01:36:53,766 --> 01:36:56,185
Two years ago,
1655
01:36:56,227 --> 01:36:59,313
I received an email
1656
01:36:59,355 --> 01:37:01,315
from somebody who said,
1657
01:37:01,357 --> 01:37:03,025
"My mother died,
1658
01:37:03,067 --> 01:37:05,820
and I have a bunch of boxes
1659
01:37:05,861 --> 01:37:07,488
that belonged to you.
1660
01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:09,698
Would you like me
to send them to you?"
1661
01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:17,373
He wrote me these
divine letters in prison,
1662
01:37:17,414 --> 01:37:19,542
and I had lost them.
1663
01:37:19,583 --> 01:37:24,129
And I felt really,
really ashamed.
1664
01:37:24,171 --> 01:37:25,714
I was rather broke,
1665
01:37:25,756 --> 01:37:27,967
but not broken at the time.
1666
01:37:30,386 --> 01:37:33,138
And sure enough,
the 130 letters
1667
01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:35,307
that he had written
to me were there
1668
01:37:35,349 --> 01:37:38,060
in that yellow folder
I put them in.
1669
01:37:38,102 --> 01:37:42,523
And there were
four reel-to-reel tapes
1670
01:37:42,565 --> 01:37:46,652
that a psychologist in Vacaville
1671
01:37:46,694 --> 01:37:48,696
had brought these tapes to me
1672
01:37:48,737 --> 01:37:52,741
and said, "Timothy wants you
to have these and keep them."
1673
01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:59,498
And at the time I was so busy
with the real Timothy,
1674
01:37:59,540 --> 01:38:02,585
I didn't listen to the tapes.
1675
01:38:02,626 --> 01:38:05,004
So I spent all last winter
1676
01:38:05,045 --> 01:38:07,923
listening to ten hours.
1677
01:38:10,217 --> 01:38:12,553
He was very brilliant,
you see.
1678
01:38:13,721 --> 01:38:16,181
He actually got himself
1679
01:38:16,223 --> 01:38:18,142
moved to Vacaville.
1680
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:23,439
He seduced
1681
01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:27,276
two psychologists there,
a man and a woman.
1682
01:38:27,318 --> 01:38:29,194
At a certain point...
1683
01:38:30,613 --> 01:38:32,448
he says,
1684
01:38:32,489 --> 01:38:35,326
"Well, what are they going
to do with me?"
1685
01:38:38,162 --> 01:38:40,956
Wesley Hiler says,
1686
01:38:40,998 --> 01:38:43,542
"We're going to drug
you more and more,
1687
01:38:43,584 --> 01:38:46,795
put you in a special section
in San Quentin...
1688
01:38:49,089 --> 01:38:51,175
where we keep people
1689
01:38:51,216 --> 01:38:52,676
who've lost their mind."
1690
01:38:52,718 --> 01:38:57,056
And I firmly believe
that the next Thursday,
1691
01:38:57,097 --> 01:39:01,268
he said, "Call the FBI,
tell them I'm ready."
1692
01:39:01,310 --> 01:39:05,272
What a life would it be for him
to live without his mind?
1693
01:39:07,399 --> 01:39:09,401
So after 40 years,
1694
01:39:09,443 --> 01:39:12,154
for me the mystery is solved.
1695
01:39:33,550 --> 01:39:35,844
My ego was pulverized
1696
01:39:35,886 --> 01:39:38,722
by this adventure.
1697
01:39:42,309 --> 01:39:44,645
I was insane, I knew it.
1698
01:39:46,981 --> 01:39:50,150
But I wasn't going to let
anybody lock me up.
1699
01:39:54,071 --> 01:39:56,490
And I was smart enough
1700
01:39:56,532 --> 01:39:58,659
to go down to the Caribbean,
1701
01:39:58,701 --> 01:40:00,703
buy a sailboat,
1702
01:40:00,744 --> 01:40:03,288
and sail for a long time.
1703
01:40:05,749 --> 01:40:08,419
The ocean rebuilt me.
1704
01:40:11,005 --> 01:40:14,717
There was something
bigger than me.
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