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There are stories about this that
haven't been told
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me for be is my prayer that everyone in
this room never goes
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by you know someone that
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that does the hardison for those people
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who this whose Lawson do you communicate
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lawsuit being able to
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fine you collagen help
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Weaver firms returns
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arguing it's not
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its non-interest
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it happens and monitors you
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you will become millions
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You know what my therapist's not too
long ago
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asked to me if
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I could in less than a sentence
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destroyed
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what
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board described were label these
experiences
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all I can come up with in the first
thing that came up with and have been
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able to find anything better than
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and is in unfortunate gift in my life
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cited tone
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this not something I asked for achieved
our
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or anything like that so when this was
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when I'm going through experiences that
I am now going to coach
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priest at church and he's looking at me
like boy what is wrong with you
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you know I knew my life was
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was turned into something that I had no
control I became
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change it's it's not easy to do
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tell somebody how you got thrown up that
staircase
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it's not easy to tell somebody that
you're dead
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was bouncing off the ceilings because
the headboard posts or
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jammed into the sheep weekend
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stage we've got black toilets and we've
got thousands of lives
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this is just like you like a fucking
karnal
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I'm getting a little time
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right now
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this is not something I'm sorry discuss
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I don't look forward because once I
start talking about it even just to
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bring you
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back to a moment for a moment I b common
stock with
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in
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hey
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You know my mom used to tell me that
good things happen to good people and
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bad things happen to bad people
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and sometimes bad things happen to good
people too
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the amityville house appears to be quite
peaceful now
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is that no evidence that any strange
occurrences here
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since the lights family fled more than
twenty years ago
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house is not wanted it never was
appointed
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it was a money making good it is
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definitely not folks back home has been
exercised
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was it really ahora was a hoax
perpetrated
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on the world which still remains
mystified by the tales a bizarre
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happenings
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in a quiet house in a comparable long
island community I've never introduced
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myself as that person
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the guy from an okay ever you had to be
something completely different
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I was somebody completely different then
went for the most part I still am
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what who were you before amityville
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who were you I was
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analyst wriggle idk you know went to
school
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I told mom I was going to when I
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was I was enrolled in school okay and
what did you do instead
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before revealing get intellectual
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happy stuff you okay I don't know you
okay go ahead on your right
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and I kinda need to know a couple things
about you that because I'm not want to
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just sit in
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down and start sharing stories okay i'd
I thought I respect that
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alright so good I kinda need to know
like what's the most dramatic thing
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that's ever happened to you
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the most romantic thing that's ever
happened to me arm
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I think the most romantic thing that's
ever happened to me was moving
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when I was 13 from one country to
another okay I think that was
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for me and I was pretty scary an
overwhelming I moved here
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United States I right on
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but to for me to sit here knowing that
the most dramatic thing from view was
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moved from one comes
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to another and readjusting and you want
me to sit here and I'm gonna start
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talking about
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possessions annexes and bouncing off his
feelings
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is not gonna be these thing for me to do
because I know you're only gonna be able
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to connect with me
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that in in well let me say this to you
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and you're absolutely right I'm not
going to ever be able to know what you
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did when three that some possibly
understand right are
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I'm in what I do for a living as a
psychologist
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I have connects with many people in so
many different situations that i'm
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much much many enter and I never okay
always respectful
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what people's life experiences have been
is there someone that you're hoping to
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benefit from
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from doing most I would have to say my
children
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ok I want you can't 1917 hard tough
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have a spoken to you at all about it yes
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have and and and they are concerned
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that's you know someday I get past
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you feel like you have you haven't i'm
ready to
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not something that I asked for I didn't
achieve this
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it's not an accomplishment in my life so
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wish to be associated have anything
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this has been following
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my entire life I've been running away
from
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and it finally caught up to me and I
couldn't hide
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ok
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I sat down with my mom and I told her I
said I I have to go
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I left and
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went to go find my own place in the
world I didn't want to
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you know be the amityville horror kid
everywhere that I know people have
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preconceived notions
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me I didn't want to deal with it
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so I would just wanderley find places
where nobody you mean
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tryin work my way into a community
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Alright well
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I was born Daniel Edward quarantine on
in 1965
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in west balam long island New York
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my father and my mother were high school
sweethearts
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on like one of those from
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back see incidences they were married
very young
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very family oriented you know the the
family's only lived a couple blocks away
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from each other
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it was my world and which
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what I know and my mom and dad
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got divorced I don't know I guess I was
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7 and a halfish when
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the divorce was actually final and
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dad moved out on with his life and and
we're not gonna grandma and grandpa's on
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sunday anymore there was this period of
time where I really didn't know where I
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fit in anymore
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what to do with myself it helped me get
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closer with my mother did actually
strengthened our relationship
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I had assumed a lot of no
responsibilities
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you know I was watchin my brother and my
sister
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and was responsible for the house and
then
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George was introduced into this yeah I
which
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a a there was maybe year
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for some you know my mom went out with a
couple guys burnt
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she like George George was an ex-marine
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recently divorced on a house
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had a carry permit had shoppers
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and family business and bolts
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corvettes and you know you was very well
to do guy
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somewhere along the line after my mother
had met George
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between Georgian my father there was in
agreements
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you would met only marry my mother if
you get it legally adopted three kids
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with the name change in the social
security and birth certificates and
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yeah he was gonna put his name in label
on something that wasn't
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ultimately his you know that's when I
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just started destroying disguise world
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every opportunity that I walked into
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just do anything
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to get him that we could go back all
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let's put it this way
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I don't think it was the Brady bunch I
was somebody
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that at the time for a couple of years
they became familiar with
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but I actually saw these kids and
interacted with them
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in their home I was just I was sorta a
presence
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when I was there I certainly wasn't
harmful to them so I don't really think
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that they were relating to me as a
reporter they certainly knew
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how I came to know caffeine George
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I I think that there was some natural
tension there
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because this was US it was stepfather
Danny
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was was naturally more taciturn more
self-contained
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but he was always watching he was always
very very aware of what was going on
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just as I was putting together a series
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on different aspects of psychic
phenomenon for the station
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channel 5 news the story about the
lutz's
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and their experience in 112 ocean Avenue
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word the amityville horror houses it's
now come to be known
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broke in New York newsday everyone was
trying to get in touch with them
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and it took me a couple of weeks nobody
knew where they were once they had done
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a press conference they basically went
underground
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I finally managed to leave messages for
them in track them down and
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George lutz called me and asked me if I
would come and meet with them because I
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told them I have good contacts
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in the field parapsychology so I did
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go out and meet with George lutz and his
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family on surveying firm at the time we
had a nice conversation he took me back
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to his mother in laws house
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to meet Cathy his wife and the three
kids that's where they were staying
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and over the course of a five-hour
conversation where they told me about
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their story they decided
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that I was someone that they could trust
in that they would allow channel 5 tap
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the exclusive on the story
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so that's how it all started
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on November 13th 1974
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the house at 112 ocean Avenue amityville
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became the site of a notorious mass
murder
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23-year-old Ronald to fail junior shot
to death his father
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mother two brothers and two sisters with
a 35 caliber marlin rifle
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all six victims were discovered by
police face-down in their beds
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apparently unmoved and each murdered
while sleeping
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good
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toxicology reports approved the family
was not
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thread no silencer had been used on the
weapon
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lingering questions surrounding these
murders have remained for nearly forty
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years
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giving way to wild conspiracy theories
on whether or not to fail could have
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committed these crimes alone
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well at first just moving into the house
was fine it's a lovely house
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and we enjoyed moving within a week
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Cathy's handed untouched by something
that we discussed
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couldn't explain it was just something
unseen bills or to fly said
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here to and Matt
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coming times Cal
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green the lots family purchased the
house
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at the reduced prices eighty thousand
dollars very shortly after moving in
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the family claim to have begun
experiencing mounting paranormal
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phenomena
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cold spots were discovered randomly
throughout the house
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Georgian Kathy claim to have witnessed
to red eyes peering in at them from the
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upstairs bedroom window
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jolting sounds with wake the family
during the night
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my son Danny hands work on
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in the window in the sewing room and
they were flat and is
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in just slammed I was was most in such a
way that his hands were actually to form
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they were flat thing going downstairs
and found a calming down
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is pretty much impossible gonna we've
and look at it and then is fine
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it didn't occur to US until much later
that
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house never really wanted US to leave
the family fled the house on January 14
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1976 none the subsequent families who
have lived in the house since
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have reported anything usual people we
talked to seem to feel that whatever was
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the motive for this crime
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it had something to do with the family
it's not something that's going to
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return to bother anyone else
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it will be interesting to see
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what Danny feels after all these years
what's also
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I think fascinating is how much
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love what he remembers actually happened
and how much
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in does he think what happened I knew
the child
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I don't know the man and yet amityville
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is a thread and actually something that
has defined
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he and his siblings for their lives so
I'd like to know how is it impacting
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you wanna see if he's come to terms
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with that this he feels this is Israel
she
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do you mean good what you been up to for
the last thirty years
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been hanging in here for a while ok said
last time I saw you
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you are helping your mother do dishes
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in the kitchen at the San Diego house
you came to San
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you yes one other things about the lots
is that struck me immediately was
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they were not seeking publicity
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they were very very normal they were
young suburban couple
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the three kids were very very nice if
you know any better they were just like
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the couple next door
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I mean when you heard the story it
sounded like they had been visited by
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just about every form a Paris
psychological play in existence
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I offered to put them in touch with
Paris psychologist
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like marine Warren they accepted that
and basically at that point they said
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okay
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now on anything we do you can have the
exclusive there are only two conditions
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one you could you don't go into the
house by yourself you go in with
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reputable Paris psychologist
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you know be great if you can get it
whole team up our psychologist in there
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so everybody to do their thing and read
the house
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0 what was ever in their to we wanted
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our privacy respect is what they asked
me and they definitely wanted the kids
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kept down a bit
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the family's privacy and you reporting
love
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yes okay com like we would
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we're gonna go to your schools and take
pictures start interviewing
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you anything Danny I wish somebody
would have
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what happened well but you are a minor
child
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and don't forget this very good at
speaking for myself what would you have
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said if you could have spoken for
yourself
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are spread all told everything that
happened
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exactly the way it happened while it is
fresh in my mind as you can possibly be
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now it's an interesting statement I mean
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how fresh or dim is it your mind
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now solve their I wish I could get were
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US
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said something that has been in my
dreams
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tire life Harry was going through
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episode while the garage
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was on the possession outcall
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yeah job was going holistic
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and torches to keep on a leash
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in pair but it was just long enough for
him to jump over the fence
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for I went out there to try to get
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from whose
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fighting so much I was
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fairly strong enough to rolled back over
the fence
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but that seems me has been
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a reoccurring dream probably five
hundred
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time whatever life sometimes I would be
Harry sometimes
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Harry would be me sometimes I tried to
kill him sometimes he tried to kill me
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times there was nothing wrong with the
garage other times I thought I knew what
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was wrong
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the garage I mean I wasn't there for a
while
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again it's never about dreams about the
emotions
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fled it's kind of hard for me to explain
to some people
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I would like to think that find a guide
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arctic trying to explain gap which
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I don't I could just bring up I had
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no knowledge of murder
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news I did you know it anything about it
day we showed up to a good
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mom or a ticket house its wash
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shield page wheaties see it is that your
going
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and still talk wanna stay and their
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will mom leans into the car is watch
guys
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old family that was murdered
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here with and that very same its
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asked US she thought that ball Ross
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Christmas just kinda liked looking at
everything what was my reaction
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street I don't know that he had so
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people murdered seven-years-old really
know what a murderous
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what do you recall when you first moved
into the house
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that I thought I could like it here I
thought that the doc
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was gonna be my hang out on the boat
house and
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you know I I was really anxious and
looking forward to
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to be I figured it was big enough to
keep George do away from me and
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everybody had enough room in
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you know this is this is pretty cool
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I could work with US
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moving and a we go
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a this was a self move this was the
family pack to drop factor on boxes if
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it breaks it's your fault cuz you look
back box right by the time
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we've got amityville was mid-morning
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an 11 something like that my job was
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was just to to haul boxes that said
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I helped back to drop in on one pack
drop and I ran down to the bone yard and
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ran up to the top 10 couldn't believe
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this is like on the water with Paul kids
in the pool
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boat house in I got right inside the
front door
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and I'm looking at this picture right
here where you can see straight up the
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staircase
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ran all the way up to see how far the
house would call when
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slight literally twice as big as
anything else we had looked at
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I loved it thought it was great soldier
move
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I'll maybe a quarter of the way into the
truck
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father ratios up
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but I song come n
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I was in the truck dump on boxes of at
that point a
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I wanted to know which was my room cuz I
wanted father rate to come to my room to
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good also my wrong so
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did your mom just call him over to left
the house
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lot of people will do that that's just a
normal occurrence
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so when did you start really feeling
that
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a sense about ease okay the until the
first two hours being in the house I
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mean I was confused with the whole
father ray
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in areas and he's getting this holy
water in the far niente page in the
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Bible he went in the house around a good
boxes at dropped in
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you're talking with my mom and and I go
back down get another box but I'm afraid
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he's gone
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well had you met you had met I didn't
even speak tool
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mom what if I the rain leaf what's going
on
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and she said I don't know but played you
know
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he'll be back I will see him on sunday
subsequently the next box was to go up
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to the playroom
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and when I went in there there was
problem
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she for a five hundred flies
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and we're talking this is made December
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long island
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yeah I started gallon
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mom came running up stairs and she
stopped screaming
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nervous it finally started clicking
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in her mind I'm not sure what it was why
father ray just left
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I would stand there with the newspaper
smashing them on the wall and smashing
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them on the window
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and knowing that in five minutes I just
killed about a hundred flies
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I went downstairs tell mom to have a
calm of to be all proud skilled flies
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and the dead flies are gone she would
look at me and say but did you do
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you did what
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where's the newspaper puts and I just
left a newspaper on the floor
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was too dead flies
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and
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that's when my confusion started when
did you start
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feeling sensing any unease
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or what was the offer and my mother was
is it would could not she was able to
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describe
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anything if I walked in I said mom what
strong she would tell me immediately
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what's going on
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and she wouldn't keep things from I'll
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and now she's keeping secrets from and I
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those mom I told we had disagreements
here and
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she which given me these bullshit
excuses
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or not answering passing of that I wanna
know what's going on
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the housing to react differently or
people reacted differently
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to the house your mother said she had a
feeling
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love peace and didn't even want to go
out to do
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normal chores and things
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George always said he couldn't get warm
and he was
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admitted to becoming more aggressive
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and then om one of the things that they
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there's a whole list of things that they
told me about that i'm
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put bullet points here there was subtle
personality changes
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in all the family members basically that
olive you were affected you had
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very short tempers violence was
commonplace
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and they said that one point and George
that this
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that he and Kathy took wooden spoons
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to you and your brother and sister om
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and beat them with that one night and or
did you guys around the house
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like drill sergeants you recall that
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yet while that happens
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probably fifty times after that to
solvents
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didn't happen work did have before you
moved into the house it happened a
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couple times in George's house before we
move to amityville
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do you think because he had no parent
skills and he was only ever
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yeah marine that's how we know how to
handle things I said this is going to be
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a cakewalk
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did you try and protect you from or were
you expecting her to protect you
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no actual on my mother to protect
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me fun I'm here to protect
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her from you I had to
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speak to George insar and call him
George
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call only mister lots or so
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00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:40,700
you had to call mister lots for sure but
that when he was your stepfather
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so to move on
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had my father so
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00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:52,840
you guys were just repulsed by one
another at a molecular
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level I don't we can say I one another
because George is in here
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00:26:56,250 --> 00:27:01,690
but you didn't I'm sorry I can't help
but smile when you say that
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00:27:01,690 --> 00:27:05,910
why do you think he's here know that
he's
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dead now you're happy that he's dead yes
ma'am I
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and i'm
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and I'm Freeman I had nothing to do i'd
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attempted him fifty times
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he tried to kill 'em yeah the
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in
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six months totaled
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story dry art
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back years ago yes go
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good as you see on a ship stock
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of
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talking about white stuff where you are
right now
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like stones pretty complex got that
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all small-town charm I've been the up
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yeah I don't know can I say that place a
ups
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the united parcel service driver
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for better than 15 years in college
point like stone
429
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I know I'm gonna say fifty percent of
the neighborhood on a first name basis
430
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that was one of the reasons I was able
to stick around in this town
431
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after them
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movies came now everything went public
people know me as Greg
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economy is believed people know me as
game why
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well because my name was that in this
movie and then my name was
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sack that way my name like that that
movie was making sure if I didn't tell
436
00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:54,970
you the story that's they just thought
437
00:28:54,970 --> 00:28:58,669
and the girl downstairs said ticket from
amityville you and
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hates that's weird for you
439
00:29:02,270 --> 00:29:06,179
yeah in the end the they don't know
until I give them the answer
440
00:29:06,179 --> 00:29:10,290
yeah so this would be like a daily
confusion Dane I learned a lot from you
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think of yourself as the amityville
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guy when you think private inside
yourself
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because I am the amityville rise I it's
not
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that like who you think of yourself as
first thought no ok and Danny
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00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:26,870
okay okay so it's not your first thought
about you and and you're talking to
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Danny
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yeah annual bodyguard right all I do is
walk around protecting that generated
448
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:36,610
that's right exactly that's what I keep
thinking that you have worked so hard
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to be yourself whereas most people just
get to be themselves
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you know there's a wanna says procare
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would George my stepfather
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would introduce himself as the amica no
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he couldn't be more proud have anything
I'm that guy
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yeah my name's my storage my family you
all this is all about me
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00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:10,380
yeah its biggest fuckin asshole you get
over me
456
00:30:10,790 --> 00:30:14,390
did you feel physically threatened
living inside the cells
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I gotta be honest with you
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to me want to use to get to this point
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ii I kinda got my kicks out a
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00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:30,690
for Phil something in my life that how
do you mean
461
00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:33,730
I mean in this distinct
462
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fucked up side of my brain I couldn't
possibly top those with my own cream
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match in Asian
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well there was bald spots in the house
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in hallways rules things like that
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while the furnished is she acted
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fire Scott half a cord
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soap:Body for choking itself you know
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blankets for war like formal
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traps dollars house now weathered
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draft walk in the front door the
fireplace
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to the left the time mister war into the
dining room there's the cage
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there would be literally
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twenty degrees difference 5
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stamps sparkle my gives
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with the alliance head picture
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is next to the bathroom a
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on the second floor the very shocked or
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that platform staircase and
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all spots hidden change
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there was what I observed happens
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in the beginning is not something that
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just one person saw the entire family
standing there
484
00:32:00,530 --> 00:32:05,160
watching the fuck garage door slam up
and slammed down and slam
485
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,470
up and slammed down and the dog is
fucking himself
486
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:13,830
so I would go out there with George he
would pick me up and I would do
487
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:17,460
I would be hanging off one side of the
door and he would be pulling down on the
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other side of the door
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and we'd get in we block everything back
up with the haus
490
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we're going back into the house
491
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my sister's room was above the pool
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in the back yard to the right what did
you see
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holes in the wind it would have been
what looked like inc
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cartoon character I love a
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a
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and angry pegged
497
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:49,879
with like wolf like teeth
498
00:32:49,879 --> 00:32:52,050
and red eyes
499
00:32:52,050 --> 00:32:57,130
laser beam red eyes
500
00:32:57,130 --> 00:33:01,270
and at that closing the door seeing this
from my sister's room
501
00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:04,300
I ran into the house faster than George
did
502
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:07,350
mated upstairs to her room and
503
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:14,350
the rocking chair shit in there back and
George went into a room in share
504
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,690
up and he's looking at the chairman is
looking at the legs in you
505
00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:25,800
thing on the floor and there's no
logical explanation why this rocking
506
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:31,390
chair is good doing this for 25
507
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:36,169
I'd think it was a force that was beyond
my control
508
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:39,729
I believe that there is a such thing as
evil and I think that it can manifest
509
00:33:39,729 --> 00:33:43,139
itself in any way shape or form that it
chooses
510
00:33:43,139 --> 00:33:46,190
at will and I was a victim to that
511
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:53,190
what you believe I don't believe I won
90 up
512
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,590
I know thats so others past rights
513
00:34:00,590 --> 00:34:05,149
right talking standing right there
514
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:08,639
issued that was like
515
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,470
the most horrible that person and that's
516
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:15,500
house nope
517
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:20,190
I had just gotten in a fight with George
drop
518
00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:23,730
so but I got you second landing
519
00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:29,480
all the last thing to do birds or up
520
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,950
why I I was project
521
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:38,549
up the stairs into the wall others like
15 cheap
522
00:34:38,549 --> 00:34:42,109
stand-up
523
00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:45,290
and my body
524
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:52,099
just like starts I no longer have
control of myself
525
00:34:52,099 --> 00:34:55,710
I'm standing on the floor
526
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:59,109
look at my mother I don't know what's
course doesn't know what to say to pay
527
00:34:59,109 --> 00:35:02,559
and she jumps around
528
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,960
shock like something just scraped or
529
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,319
touched or help character
530
00:35:10,319 --> 00:35:16,510
Jimmy through me I have to describe what
it felt like a weepy
531
00:35:16,510 --> 00:35:20,589
like and on this after being shocked
532
00:35:20,589 --> 00:35:24,549
somewhere in the rule
533
00:35:24,549 --> 00:35:30,779
which each
534
00:35:30,779 --> 00:35:34,450
was like shop hop page like
535
00:35:34,450 --> 00:35:40,440
with a cargo crackled and that stuck
with me
536
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,049
at least a decade daily basis
537
00:35:44,049 --> 00:35:47,630
anybody ever saw me with the tier ii
538
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:53,900
edge like not should my mother
539
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,380
I asp route
540
00:35:57,380 --> 00:36:01,140
want to attack wide
541
00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:08,140
ok she was try and all sort
542
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:15,410
disliked you all rock
543
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:18,579
who was possessed
544
00:36:18,579 --> 00:36:25,109
George
545
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:28,930
and myself you feel that you were
possessed
546
00:36:28,930 --> 00:36:33,890
I was a yeah I think that would happen
at some point was
547
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:38,009
extremely so far beyond my control
548
00:36:38,009 --> 00:36:41,969
yeah you mean in terms of your violence
towards to work his towards you
549
00:36:41,969 --> 00:36:48,969
I think no I mean I mean
550
00:36:50,490 --> 00:36:54,119
know this had nothing to do with a Judas
having to do with me no longer having
551
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:55,440
control of my body
552
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,349
on my mind what I'm saying or what i'd
how long did that last
553
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:04,920
I felt like wildlife
554
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,920
at our 25-35 minutes
555
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:18,080
you
556
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,070
men were infested with violent reactions
while women Kathy said
557
00:37:23,070 --> 00:37:27,640
were charmed by the house and overcome
with the feeling was sedated
558
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,160
the boathouse was a source a poltergeist
activity
559
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,780
lots alleged he had gone out to check it
one night and found a green slime which
560
00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:36,480
he dubbed
561
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,610
poltergeist puke losing all
562
00:37:39,610 --> 00:37:43,369
over the place after January 6
563
00:37:43,369 --> 00:37:47,380
the feast of the epiphany when they took
down the Christmas decorations
564
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:52,070
all hell broke loose Kathy said
565
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:54,670
it started now as any
566
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:57,770
rentable fouled
567
00:37:57,770 --> 00:38:01,270
Tom students use type smell stench
568
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:05,260
we started going around opening all the
windows and the doors
569
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:09,420
all over the house I've got up to play
around
570
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,800
flies was trying to open a champ window
571
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,520
and getting open in like Superman while
572
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:23,350
strongest thing I ever did 10 and my
brother and two
573
00:38:23,350 --> 00:38:28,800
the room he got in and I turned around
to look at me I got it
574
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,330
and the winter games slamming down
575
00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:35,850
and crushed my fingers
576
00:38:35,850 --> 00:38:39,140
to the point it was skin on skin
577
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:42,880
left-hand and right-hand
578
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,000
shattered
579
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,510
this section if this finger this novel's
never been this
580
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:55,590
min you can see that ride ok my kinky
one
581
00:38:55,590 --> 00:38:59,320
and compared to the other you see you
then and
582
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,430
from the window sill I'm smashed
583
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:07,360
as was both hands and
584
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,460
to
585
00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:13,680
shortage my mother my brother
586
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,520
whoever George's friend was there help
me move shit around
587
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,560
to get the window of my fingers
588
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,300
and my mom starts fishin for I said she
wants to make phone calls and get ice
589
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:27,920
and do all these things
590
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,540
in in her turning around to get a rag
591
00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:36,960
to put the ice cubes and put in my hand
as we're sitting in the kitchen
592
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,780
the side door opening
593
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:46,770
very slowly and we will stop all we're
doing to pay attention
594
00:39:46,770 --> 00:39:53,770
and there was nobody there wow I hate
tunes
595
00:39:55,070 --> 00:40:02,070
fuckin had times where you make me dues
596
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:10,070
I'm I just kind it's pretty sad alright
a fork in spirit comes into the house
597
00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:13,800
into the room through the door bombs
into my mother
598
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,020
walks room my hands like this that are
hanging off the table knocks the peanut
599
00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:20,710
butter and jelly knife down
600
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:23,990
onto the floor and sit down and
601
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:27,390
this spot here
602
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:33,510
is your
603
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:38,270
arming buzzing what time noise so it
just sat there or something
604
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:42,510
made an impression on the sea yes
605
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:45,610
what did you guys did wish to
606
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:48,710
most people look at the house yes well I
I she's
607
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:53,400
I'm I'm mom can and ice you know what
happened specifically
608
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,060
we're doing this and she's rap in my
hands and then that three seconds it
609
00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:59,680
took to look back it was gone
610
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,380
where was the worst games of stairs
trying to figure out what happened to
611
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:05,130
the window
612
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:08,650
wise in stock so as I'm sitting there
613
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:12,210
my mother flips over my hands she's
looking back it's
614
00:41:12,210 --> 00:41:16,680
like workers were talkin skin on skin
here go
615
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,730
my hands swell to the size
616
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,750
of a child's baseball
617
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:28,580
five times their normal size
618
00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:32,110
that today to the donners and in one
sacking
619
00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:36,040
acting ships this
620
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,180
so that pinky see it still film from
621
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:46,180
that still sent did they take you to the
doctor
622
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:50,830
my assignment that's every night march
1976 was to stay in the house
623
00:41:50,830 --> 00:41:55,940
report on any unusual activity a number
psychics parapsychology is clear way in
624
00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:57,970
so that the man I love this were also
there
625
00:41:57,970 --> 00:42:02,840
determine once and for all about house
was possessed by some demonic forces
626
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,650
Georgian Kathy lutz yes the the channel
five news about the earlier
627
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:09,920
if there was a demonic force in the
house that watched by the sir
628
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,360
he did not manifest itself physically
why we the psychic suggest that the
629
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,280
house had been neutralized the
atmosphere not right at the moment
630
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,720
that perhaps the demons well they were
scared off by the crowd
631
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,710
that our cameras self effort that was a
landfill
632
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:28,530
I came out on camera in our newsroom
633
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:32,200
away I might add the piece like this of
anime
634
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,460
asked if I was scared during my night at
the house at 112 ocean Avenue
635
00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:41,090
no I was not it would be more accurate
to me to say
636
00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:44,810
that the two hours I spent watching the
movie Friday night
637
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:48,200
with rowdy disruptive pot-smoking
audience
638
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,390
was much more of our the six hours I
spent that house at that would leave
639
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:56,590
trouble film looks as though we're
convinced
640
00:42:56,590 --> 00:43:00,690
themselves and they took to mend at
tremendous personal cost
641
00:43:00,690 --> 00:43:05,460
we wanted to find a story we wanted to
believe them they came across
642
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:09,230
as very sincere irradiated the story
643
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:13,550
which we headed to quickly get on the
air I went back and looked at
644
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:16,820
every for that film there was nothing on
645
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:21,590
film except the people who were on the
telling their story the thing that
646
00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:25,280
I would find the los curious thing the
night
647
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,290
that I was there would be the sensation
648
00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:31,370
bill place the Metropolis cameraman's at
the blue
649
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:34,980
he had these palpitations miss them and
would covered so
650
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:38,750
serious assignments war zones Ryan's and
any
651
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:42,320
so the was overcome by something and he
could not explain
652
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,990
he said he had no heart condition but he
climb the steps
653
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:49,750
sup stop camera down and
654
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:53,730
I'll explain another the unexplainable
lol I do recall
655
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:58,400
Lorraine Warren when she went to trance
saying it was a demonic force from deep
656
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,860
in the bowels of the earth
657
00:43:59,860 --> 00:44:03,420
love it wasn't the sewing room yes the
sewing room
658
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:07,980
was the room which supposedly has the
story has it where the
659
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:12,120
demonic force was supposed to be the
strongest all the rain 1 I'm you we went
660
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:12,850
upstairs
661
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:16,010
we sat on the sewing room we have amble
going
662
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:21,710
I remember rain that she had never felt
such a force that she felt that night it
663
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:23,680
was like feeling like she was in hell
664
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,380
the rain also produced photograph which
665
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:32,320
claims that there is the image boy
this is one of the pictures that their
666
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,030
photographer took that night
667
00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:37,530
you and I both know that there were no
children and no animals in the house
668
00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:40,650
that night think look at it but then
again try
669
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:44,120
for great photographed think it's
670
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:51,120
the let's look at the countryside for
just what I know I'm not arguing at the
671
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,980
Greek and disputing anything I've been
in the house I was there the night of
672
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:54,600
the murders
673
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,700
I have the weber interview that
supposedly expose the whole thing
674
00:44:58,700 --> 00:44:59,310
alright so
675
00:44:59,310 --> 00:45:03,530
we've all been involved extensively what
there's no argument there
676
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:07,190
but what about the arguments that
surface
677
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:10,280
from one source for the other that for
example
678
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,880
reason they had to leave the house is
because they
679
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,610
let it foreclose they just didn't have
the money was more money let the land
680
00:45:17,610 --> 00:45:21,940
serving business was just not doing very
well and then he has a cell house
681
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:24,980
couldn't sell house had to get out
couldn't pay it
682
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:28,220
as as a as a starting point will talk
about
683
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:32,690
okay and I starting point well I wasn't
privy to their finances run
684
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:35,890
however they got the house for
685
00:45:35,890 --> 00:45:39,480
eighty thousand dollars a purchase price
of with the possessions
686
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,230
you can always assume that this realtor
salam
687
00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:46,990
house up must at some point if they
didn't already know that this
688
00:45:46,990 --> 00:45:50,040
in for this he just didn't think so it
was amazing
689
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,610
so they did okay didn't know essays
makes it even worse they did
690
00:45:53,610 --> 00:45:57,230
not only do you know that it's that it
was a scene of a mass murder now the
691
00:45:57,230 --> 00:46:00,340
your the belongings affect now
692
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:03,900
couple get let's play let's play devil's
advocate for one second I'll
693
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:08,100
I've heard all the stories about they
got into financial straits
694
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:12,670
but how could you could they didn't have
enough time to get that far behind
695
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:16,040
if they were only in the house for 28
days
696
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,250
now as to the point could he have been
697
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:23,740
dreaming up a scheme yeah absolutely
could have
698
00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:26,770
did you did you have pics could you find
any evidence
699
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:30,220
that he understood the local
supernatural before they moved into the
700
00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:30,780
house
701
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:34,030
that but George what specifically what
George lutz
702
00:46:34,030 --> 00:46:37,240
always maintained to me
703
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,680
was that he was a non-practicing
methodist
704
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,790
the rumors that I've heard second third
fourth hand
705
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:49,300
over the years with that he had had an
abiding interest in the occult
706
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:53,620
I think that lots triggered something of
by being open to it
707
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:56,880
by previous activity possibly on
708
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,190
the part over money to fail they were
fooling around and got themselves in
709
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:04,420
very deep was something dark and
something evil
710
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:07,859
that they totally didn't understand know
where they were
711
00:47:07,859 --> 00:47:11,200
you know we were invited by the crime
groups to come
712
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,030
after the much is left the family then
moved in
713
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:19,240
and I'll this was in December a77
714
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:23,130
so we went through the entire place took
pictures we took infrared pictures
715
00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:26,450
and I had a psychic one man covering up
716
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:30,630
living that I've worked with for many
many years ceron make a right walks the
717
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:31,830
halls
718
00:47:31,830 --> 00:47:35,359
but it's what you think said while and I
said
719
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:40,300
walked and he said tensile ritual much
it costs
720
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:44,570
homes she was with the lots involved in
ritual magic
721
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:48,859
this was all about black magic being
done in this house
722
00:47:48,859 --> 00:47:53,240
and he fell the residual effect south
with the psychological
723
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,340
lose natori experiences that people
thought were real
724
00:47:56,340 --> 00:48:00,330
but they're not really real our parent
only induced
725
00:48:00,330 --> 00:48:03,640
do or allegations that he knew more
about you called them the the
726
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,650
supernatural
727
00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:10,810
before they moved in than he's admitted
or wherever did admit this life
728
00:48:10,810 --> 00:48:13,750
Haiti's review had any experience before
they're called
729
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:17,680
with the supernatural ever before we can
believe in I was
730
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,850
purposely nosing into George's business
but
731
00:48:20,850 --> 00:48:24,710
but there were things when you walked
into George's house
732
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:28,890
it wasn't inviting and welcoming if you
read his
733
00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:31,960
a bookcase
734
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,550
you know would range from
735
00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:39,020
transcendental meditation to buddhism
736
00:48:39,020 --> 00:48:42,700
satanic history mind
737
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:46,690
control typeof auction hypnosis
738
00:48:46,690 --> 00:48:49,910
books sky was into some pretty dark
stuff
739
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:53,140
when I started thumbing through these
books in
740
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:57,210
they're sacrificing virgins devil
worship
741
00:48:57,210 --> 00:49:01,170
rallies you know shit like this and i'm
reading this in the book
742
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:04,380
and I walk over to my mother and she
just
743
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:07,850
crack me over the head said put this
back and don't take it off the shelf
744
00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:11,570
and I looked at her and I said
absolutely not
745
00:49:11,570 --> 00:49:14,610
you marry this guy you move me to his
house
746
00:49:14,610 --> 00:49:21,000
what the hell is he into stupid menfolk
747
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,940
George was not right
748
00:49:24,940 --> 00:49:28,320
that you can see that the dead to fear
in the kids
749
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,810
and then acknowledgement of
750
00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:35,750
if he's president their Jeff
751
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:38,940
you know and everyone was I believe
752
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:42,070
I once I can said there was
753
00:49:42,070 --> 00:49:46,810
a lot of fear and anxiety in our house
about it there's something about his
754
00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:47,960
presence that made
755
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,600
30 as child
756
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,870
know something is of with this man not
write something
757
00:49:57,870 --> 00:50:01,070
not good I think that
758
00:50:01,070 --> 00:50:03,390
certain people can
759
00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:08,460
trigger things and in this case I think
that whatever happened
760
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:11,779
after round to fail murdered his family
761
00:50:11,779 --> 00:50:16,799
I think it lingered there and I think I
was felt the George lots
762
00:50:16,799 --> 00:50:19,819
was the trigger for
763
00:50:19,819 --> 00:50:25,579
what started to happen to that family in
Warren always talked about certain
764
00:50:25,579 --> 00:50:27,259
people when we were in the house
765
00:50:27,259 --> 00:50:30,430
the night of march 6 there were a couple
people there
766
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:33,549
that it said we're going from room to
room
767
00:50:33,549 --> 00:50:36,680
antagonizing the house or the spirits
768
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,569
well I called the warrens up what are
you in a doing can you come down here
769
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:45,299
there's this case it's just broke in
it's been in the news I gave her
770
00:50:45,299 --> 00:50:48,859
I gave in the rain the background they
said sure will come right down
771
00:50:48,859 --> 00:50:52,779
we drove out to the house and George was
meeting US there
772
00:50:52,779 --> 00:50:57,140
and George would not go onto the
property everything was on the table a
773
00:50:57,140 --> 00:51:00,859
gingerbread house the Kathy had made the
kids for Christmas
774
00:51:00,859 --> 00:51:04,450
the clothes were you know strewn about
newspapers
775
00:51:04,450 --> 00:51:08,390
there was food in the refrigerator just
look like they had gone out for the day
776
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:12,589
Lorraine went into one room which later
one of the bedrooms and it turned out to
777
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:14,390
have been running to fails room and she
778
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:17,450
back to read out up there and so after
that
779
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:21,210
I took ed mcgrane to meet Kathy
780
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:26,059
George and the kids last time I was here
781
00:51:26,059 --> 00:51:29,220
nine maybe 10
782
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:36,220
commit 0
783
00:51:37,509 --> 00:51:43,430
of
784
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:47,410
well thank you how are you
785
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:50,569
on gun glad to be here
786
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:54,430
all which good to see you very very
787
00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:59,640
good to see you I haven't seen I'm sorry
about think company so long
788
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,920
song you can never be another and
789
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,609
I'll known no never me we'll talk about
790
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:12,059
I'd yes yes he was a man
791
00:52:12,059 --> 00:52:15,910
the greenstein this
792
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:19,509
I thats feinstein okay he's so mean
793
00:52:19,509 --> 00:52:23,630
command usafe well can flip this house
is life
794
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:27,119
this is feinstein and lady Jane
795
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,890
right here this is I'm Stein and lady
Jane
796
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:35,599
ans the then
797
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,710
right here
798
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:42,269
is his twin identical
799
00:52:42,269 --> 00:52:46,089
when no way yes identical twin roosters
800
00:52:46,089 --> 00:52:49,690
the I
801
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:52,750
they're creating you Lorraine
802
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:57,170
and my mom had a very very tight
relationship the two
803
00:52:57,170 --> 00:53:01,049
they were really the only people
804
00:53:01,049 --> 00:53:04,559
that could offer psalm
805
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:08,029
typeof condolence to the situation that
had
806
00:53:08,029 --> 00:53:12,049
had happened yes let's go downstairs
where we can sit and talk
807
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:18,480
spoke
808
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,390
what took place in house
809
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:23,980
if this true personification of evil
810
00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:27,299
how do you explain
811
00:53:27,299 --> 00:53:30,260
I'll
812
00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:34,250
I haz Cassie if we could take
813
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:38,470
you three kids for a walk on the beach
and that's when you can just walked
814
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:42,210
to I'm what did they tell you
815
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:46,030
what we didn't want to frighten them we
talk Kathy
816
00:53:46,030 --> 00:53:50,780
and we like you guys talk everything
member this
817
00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:54,660
and they went about noises and they were
talking
818
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:58,049
about how he would stand at the top of
the stairs
819
00:53:58,049 --> 00:54:02,640
and in yell and scream about marching
bands
820
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,460
that we're downstairs and runs for all
rolled up
821
00:54:06,460 --> 00:54:10,299
do you think that George triggered
822
00:54:10,299 --> 00:54:15,099
whatever was in the house that it was
attracted to him almost like
823
00:54:15,099 --> 00:54:19,040
his personality it and
824
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,510
it's a strong possibility it is
825
00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:25,930
a strong possibility but you
826
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:29,240
you had to kinda piled yourself
827
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:34,140
to take your John I mean that
828
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:37,530
you had what can you tell if tells
829
00:54:37,530 --> 00:54:41,339
case anything to defend
830
00:54:41,339 --> 00:54:44,500
I have to be careful with my words
831
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:51,500
when it comes to its how was he has a
father
832
00:54:51,799 --> 00:54:55,089
it wasn't and
833
00:54:55,089 --> 00:54:59,210
no father parent skills whatsoever
834
00:54:59,210 --> 00:55:02,319
whatsoever
835
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:06,059
who did you turn to I'm removed from the
family
836
00:55:06,059 --> 00:55:10,430
you know as very young teenager and
837
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:15,220
you know mime my mother and George wants
subsequently won
838
00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:20,220
getting a divorce years later yes my mom
had a handful you know
839
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:23,690
river since her own family and she was
very shaken
840
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:27,349
I was out find myself in life and she
was happy for me
841
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:31,329
so was kinda had a well that's going but
you never
842
00:55:31,329 --> 00:55:34,750
you never did anything had so I mean a
843
00:55:34,750 --> 00:55:38,160
but he how all
844
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,380
for you when George left the scene
845
00:55:41,380 --> 00:55:45,890
16-17
846
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:49,010
and cell
847
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:52,680
at that point where you I was already
gone for years at that time
848
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:57,200
and you were gone yeah where we do. Do
my own thing
849
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,430
and and I couldn't have been happier for
850
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:04,859
you know when I found out that mom was
getting a divorce
851
00:56:04,859 --> 00:56:09,160
finally after all these years and I
didn't want it ever have to do a mom I
852
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,210
told you so
853
00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:15,119
but I did I told you so so many left
home when he was 15 sixty
854
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,339
where did you go %
855
00:56:18,339 --> 00:56:23,740
to the desert 11
856
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:29,109
Jeff is here I did how do I stayed with
friends friends stayed with me and took
857
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:32,799
a while you know which is very easy to
be home was in the desert it's it's
858
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,569
actually quite accommodating
859
00:56:34,569 --> 00:56:38,150
doesn't get cold you would get cold at
night
860
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:41,410
its roast and
861
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:44,420
daytime yeah love good food
862
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:48,400
to did feel character that
863
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,440
when
864
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,440
when did that happen you became so bear
with me and a I went to my mom
865
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,780
and I said look somebody's really gonna
get hurt
866
00:56:59,780 --> 00:57:03,700
around here and and I g I and I asked
her to let me go
867
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:07,109
mom please where did you go 13 world
868
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:12,190
it's not about where I when I be in the
back parking lot behind a dumpster
869
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:15,349
happy star thanks because nobody's
bothered you were still
870
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:19,190
it wasn't about where okay no with me
it's never about
871
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:24,309
where I okay by you know this is
872
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:27,589
this is where the party story is nobody
knows what's going on behind
873
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:31,520
our front door what was going on right
on time mom please let me go
874
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,799
okay let me go okay and
875
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:39,559
took a couple days and she me pick up a
peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
876
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:43,099
washed my socks and shit like had
g-eleven ago
877
00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:46,630
now as brave her critical
878
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:53,290
yeah can I bring it on the personality
of people that lived in the house
879
00:57:53,290 --> 00:57:56,529
can I do that to have the right to do
that
880
00:57:56,529 --> 00:57:59,640
you know I don't have the right to
881
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,380
to anything like that cell and you've
882
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:07,430
with the clergy clergy weren't to
883
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:11,059
forward 29
884
00:58:11,059 --> 00:58:14,529
go in there and do anything more and
told
885
00:58:14,529 --> 00:58:18,240
my husband please not going housing can
886
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,589
police its gonna kill you
887
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:25,020
don't go in that house again
888
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:29,040
that the last time that to go back
889
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,260
yes
890
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:35,549
what about Danny Danny pose a threat
891
00:58:35,549 --> 00:58:38,660
Danny was a little boy
892
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:43,000
and it wasn't just a young innocent
child we were baptized
893
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,270
yes so see they have that protection
894
00:58:46,270 --> 00:58:50,540
too much kept the faith have
895
00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:54,040
yes I good
896
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,520
I'm is is there anybody
897
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:04,520
here that does not believe in god
898
00:59:05,609 --> 00:59:09,960
you very chime in now you because i'm
gonna call you out on it
899
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,829
you you what's your answer
900
00:59:14,829 --> 00:59:18,410
well you believe
901
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:22,829
still the jury's still out what does
that mean you know it's
902
00:59:22,829 --> 00:59:27,299
experiences that so are you saying
903
00:59:27,299 --> 00:59:30,790
get to a nightsticks okay are I
904
00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:35,109
what it's at a respected into what i'm
saying here
905
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:38,710
I'm opening this and there's a relic
906
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:43,000
the across the Christ was crucified on
907
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,609
you know can I don't have respect for
that is
908
00:59:47,609 --> 00:59:52,210
to bring out well Lorraine
909
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:55,430
as another Roman catholic who believes
910
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:58,770
certainly Jesus was confronted with
doubters
911
00:59:58,770 --> 01:00:05,770
doubting Thomas so okay
912
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:11,369
here's
913
01:00:11,369 --> 01:00:15,430
their is the word you
914
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:20,090
right thing the true cross
915
01:00:20,090 --> 01:00:24,250
Christ was crucified this is written
916
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:28,480
I the clergymen this
917
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,570
this cross is good in true the good
918
01:00:32,570 --> 01:00:35,660
you do with this crisis is that good
919
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:38,540
you do for him
920
01:00:38,540 --> 01:00:41,920
did you take that into the amityville
house I didn't have
921
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,070
I didn't have this in that time
922
01:00:45,070 --> 01:00:48,609
can't now here
923
01:00:48,609 --> 01:00:52,220
this is here
924
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:55,440
from padre pio
925
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,819
I did have this I had this
926
01:00:58,819 --> 01:01:01,990
in my hand nobody knew it
927
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:05,749
nobody knew I carry this relic
928
01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:09,539
I'll time times February 23rd
929
01:01:09,539 --> 01:01:12,749
and march 6 nobody new that I had
930
01:01:12,749 --> 01:01:16,559
this and 10
931
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:21,170
he appear
932
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:24,140
hydrate po here to you
933
01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:27,800
seeking and you feel that that
934
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:33,339
protected you most definitely
935
01:01:33,339 --> 01:01:35,630
it like vindication
936
01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:42,630
that's how Iran tell I see it
937
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:47,480
this is amazing
938
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,599
you have faith
939
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:57,990
you can you case you can kiss yes
940
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:59,569
means
941
01:01:59,569 --> 01:02:02,549
simple is
942
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:04,730
his
943
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:07,770
thank you
944
01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:08,980
scam
945
01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:12,170
it through this this was with add
946
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:15,320
all the time in the hospital it never
947
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,940
truly recovering I brought him home
948
01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:25,940
unit for years in
949
01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:31,590
what would you
950
01:02:31,590 --> 01:02:35,650
say to somebody who says okay this kid
obviously
951
01:02:35,650 --> 01:02:38,930
has a big problem with his stepfather
952
01:02:38,930 --> 01:02:43,010
but that's not so unusual they could put
it down to okay you've now got a blended
953
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:44,750
family and it's not the Brady bunch
954
01:02:44,750 --> 01:02:49,830
aka okay Danny skipping school he's
doing whatever he can to
955
01:02:49,830 --> 01:02:54,540
be defiant there was a small part of me
that look forward to get in trouble and
956
01:02:54,540 --> 01:02:55,910
would do anything
957
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:59,310
you know you cats like when
958
01:02:59,310 --> 01:03:03,750
there was anger in the house more shit
was going on in the house
959
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:08,820
the more dramatic in the more
dysfunctional it got
960
01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:13,200
the worst sitka did you feel like the
energy was feeling of love your
961
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,710
aggressions tension yes yes I've
962
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:20,150
that's come up many times in life long
therapy yes
963
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:23,869
and has anybody ever said to you okay
Danny maybe this is just manifestations
964
01:03:23,869 --> 01:03:25,610
baby you imagined all this
965
01:03:25,610 --> 01:03:31,240
maybe use in the coolidge to well what
do you say when somebody says that
966
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,480
get up and I won't go and discuss
967
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,930
I stopped trying to persuade people
about
968
01:03:37,930 --> 01:03:41,970
okay really long time ago
969
01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:45,660
what they could put tell me what makes
you so sure
970
01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:52,500
so convinced that this really happened
to you that you didn't
971
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:56,280
a mat that its you didn't imagine it and
I'm sure you've had those
972
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,760
those feelings were you saying ok
three-part second-guessing myself
973
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,140
yeah but is there any has there ever
been any point in time were you saying
974
01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:05,740
ok
975
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:09,920
I was an angry kid i'm
976
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,060
really ticked off did you ever doubt
yourself
977
01:04:14,060 --> 01:04:17,230
that this happened no
978
01:04:17,230 --> 01:04:21,440
dg never had a point yells at all to
clear an all too real and
979
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,880
what I saw I know I saw and I could
describe it to you twenty years from now
980
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,600
exactly like I did right now
981
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,359
nothing's gonna change did you have any
sense that whatever
982
01:04:30,359 --> 01:04:34,109
was there was would follow you
983
01:04:34,109 --> 01:04:40,570
of the property
984
01:04:40,570 --> 01:04:43,990
when did that start to happen
985
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:46,970
well one around involves both
986
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:53,970
on school
987
01:05:09,830 --> 01:05:12,240
My mother and three of US were basically
988
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,290
heaped which George was injured as
989
01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:22,290
is personal right and then
990
01:05:22,310 --> 01:05:26,370
only slowly he was he watching entering
shop
991
01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:29,880
world as we met him he was involved
992
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,460
his believes that which practiced
993
01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:37,290
one is to be able to control somebody
else's
994
01:05:37,290 --> 01:05:42,400
mines is to be able to keep object
masterful
995
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,870
heart
996
01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:49,540
I'd talk top
997
01:05:49,540 --> 01:05:53,410
I think somewhere along the line that
998
01:05:53,410 --> 01:05:57,010
George beliefs and practices and things
that he was
999
01:05:57,010 --> 01:06:02,820
directly involved with triggered in was
a catalyst to what was going on
1000
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:05,950
house was kinda like a magic trick gone
bad
1001
01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:10,950
control of what was involved with laying
of hands
1002
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:16,300
and and recall that when you can move
objects with the mind in woods
1003
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:20,300
telekinesis kinases thought projections
and
1004
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:23,840
when did this start to since
1005
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,490
first minute I walked into his house in
realize
1006
01:06:27,490 --> 01:06:32,140
should two sons pixels well I mean if
you walked into my eye
1007
01:06:32,140 --> 01:06:36,700
if you walked into my house and you look
to my bookcase you would pretty much
1008
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:41,760
see a lot love things on accusations by
rivals with bookmarks and
1009
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,720
pictures you photographed all on wall
but I have a lot of books on site on
1010
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,830
various aspects
1011
01:06:47,830 --> 01:06:51,650
love parapsychology the the supernatural
1012
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:55,160
I have a couple books on with witchcraft
and magic but let's face it
1013
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,020
I mean what do you think the chances
realistically what do you think the
1014
01:06:58,020 --> 01:06:58,910
chances were
1015
01:06:58,910 --> 01:07:02,440
that no matter how many books George
read that he was going to be able to
1016
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,100
start moving objects with asthma
1017
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:07,600
I witnessed you witnessed what
1018
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,610
exactly George's ability to move
1019
01:07:10,610 --> 01:07:13,980
objects with out touch them with his
mind
1020
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:17,500
in his garage before we even got there
1021
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:21,630
he was in the garage with his friends
1022
01:07:21,630 --> 01:07:24,670
you can ranches just like that
1023
01:07:24,670 --> 01:07:27,820
like this walk over with them down
1024
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:31,810
takes them a couple minutes to get there
it takes about 12 is gone
1025
01:07:31,810 --> 01:07:36,840
and it would take about a minute to drop
it by he kindling
1026
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,740
and I was not supposed to know their
search which tumbled in on an
1027
01:07:40,740 --> 01:07:41,720
after-school
1028
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,200
my mother didn't know I'm run into their
1029
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,070
I don't know I didn't know if she knew
at that time my way told she looked to
1030
01:07:49,070 --> 01:07:51,970
me like what
1031
01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:55,840
colder out into the garage and I want
you to show my mom what you just did
1032
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:56,410
right now
1033
01:07:56,410 --> 01:08:01,780
and the guys got all and last didn't say
a word
1034
01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:05,910
and I have a doctors appointment at
night to I when I told the doctor
1035
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:12,110
second by second where didn't offer an
explanation
1036
01:08:12,110 --> 01:08:17,840
he just kept praised we think he said
1037
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,000
role he had conversation
1038
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:25,420
for drop me off using comes in 15
minutes later they talk for another 20
1039
01:08:25,420 --> 01:08:25,850
minutes
1040
01:08:25,850 --> 01:08:30,660
go at this point I with the doctor I
would recommend it to your mother
1041
01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:33,900
find a new boyfriend or he
1042
01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:37,270
he needs your son needs to go for tester
1043
01:08:37,270 --> 01:08:43,350
something this is this is just an
incredible tale from
1044
01:08:43,350 --> 01:08:47,060
there's a doctor out there somewhere
with
1045
01:08:47,060 --> 01:08:50,430
that story in his file in handwriting
1046
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:54,270
people
1047
01:08:54,270 --> 01:08:58,350
can exaggerate what they've experienced
1048
01:08:58,350 --> 01:09:03,270
they can exaggerate a little or
exaggerate a lot they can add details to
1049
01:09:03,270 --> 01:09:06,140
an experience to make the story more
interesting
1050
01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:09,260
%and that there are lots of reasons
why
1051
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:13,580
people might do that I mean for one
thing a we remember
1052
01:09:13,580 --> 01:09:17,520
bits and pieces have experience but will
fill in the gaps in our memory
1053
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,600
with other bits of information things we
learned from other places
1054
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,420
inferences we drew which we decide
probably happen and we use those two
1055
01:09:26,420 --> 01:09:32,210
fill in the gaps memory their also maybe
a motivation to remember things in a way
1056
01:09:32,210 --> 01:09:34,400
that is a little bit more dramatic
1057
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,570
little bit more interesting now believes
that
1058
01:09:37,570 --> 01:09:40,580
saw his stepfather
1059
01:09:40,580 --> 01:09:43,580
move objects without touching
1060
01:09:43,580 --> 01:09:46,760
and the question and where did that come
from
1061
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,460
it might be a speculation that it could
have come from
1062
01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:55,060
the stepfather saying you know I can do
this and the little boy started think I
1063
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:56,560
I saw him do it
1064
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,880
and when the story start to change
1065
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:04,020
then it's time to become suspicious I be
afraid to be in that house
1066
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:07,500
knowing that there had been a mass
murder in again we go back to the whole
1067
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:08,220
thing about it
1068
01:10:08,220 --> 01:10:11,970
what is the imagination why starring and
just take off
1069
01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:15,840
and then the influence a father feeling
this on children
1070
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,500
who I've been involved in so many these
cases with children are so sensitive
1071
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:23,510
not going to what's happening in an
environment possibly power normally
1072
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:26,580
but also to the q's they get from their
parents
1073
01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:30,140
most people do not want the glare these
1074
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:34,100
they do not wanting names we feel
because of their business associations
1075
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:36,310
and everything else I can be effected
1076
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:39,640
they don't want to expose their children
very important
1077
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,020
to not any loving parent does not want
to
1078
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:47,680
inflict on a child anyone who does that
1079
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,230
is is demonic is the so-called forces
that were released in this case
1080
01:10:51,230 --> 01:10:58,230
psychological scars is something that
are hard to expose
1081
01:10:58,850 --> 01:11:02,130
and and share with people and
1082
01:11:02,130 --> 01:11:06,270
while I'm an extremely emotional person
by nature and
1083
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:11,990
that doesn't mean I like to share when
you watch him tell the stories he
1084
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:16,410
he looks very believable and he tells
the story and away
1085
01:11:16,410 --> 01:11:20,540
that is almost guaranteed to get other
people to believe him
1086
01:11:20,540 --> 01:11:25,380
its detail he's confident he expresses
it was a motion
1087
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:29,470
those are the things that people look to
you to decide that they're hearing an
1088
01:11:29,470 --> 01:11:30,700
authentic story
1089
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:34,780
in my opinion the suggestion with this
ten-year-old boy
1090
01:11:34,780 --> 01:11:38,390
started when he was 10 helium
1091
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:43,090
with adults who believed in the
paranormal who believed in the end call
1092
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:46,750
call perhaps were who had books on me
paranormal
1093
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:50,430
telekinesis who may have been talking
about things
1094
01:11:50,430 --> 01:11:53,900
and then discussions family members
interviews
1095
01:11:53,900 --> 01:12:00,900
ok their site he soaked and suggestions
1096
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:10,680
I think one excellent example
1097
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:15,400
is this story about a priest coming to
1098
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,160
bless the house and then for five years
later
1099
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,810
there's a film that comes out which
shows that that priest
1100
01:12:22,810 --> 01:12:27,110
is overtaken by a swarm of flies and now
1101
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:30,480
this once 10-year-old boy now older
1102
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,760
has got a recollection remembering flies
1103
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,790
hundreds and hundreds of lives so did he
get that
1104
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:40,790
from the post-event suggestion of the
film
1105
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:47,790
%or not
1106
01:12:50,849 --> 01:12:54,809
the last night in the house when did you
leave
1107
01:12:54,809 --> 01:12:58,280
was a school day was a regular day
during week
1108
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:05,280
my brother and myself
1109
01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:10,510
share levitation experience in our
bedroom
1110
01:13:10,510 --> 01:13:14,910
in our beds this would be a arvit here
1111
01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:18,830
because my bed was on during
1112
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:21,920
this window was bad news this way
1113
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,060
on that wall so we would be like toe to
toe that way
1114
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:30,760
wrong we both woke up that
1115
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,870
are headboards are footboards
1116
01:13:33,870 --> 01:13:40,870
word smashing each other and hanging off
the ceiling
1117
01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:48,260
on the last night that were in there the
boys hats were being watched it up and
1118
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:52,010
slammed down overhead at me but I could
not get up out of bed
1119
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:56,450
happy levitated I had to grab her to
keep her from going off
1120
01:13:56,450 --> 01:14:00,070
this is after she had
1121
01:14:00,070 --> 01:14:03,350
turned into and an old
1122
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:06,370
flown really agree old woman
1123
01:14:06,370 --> 01:14:10,480
that literally took hours and hours for
it to go away
1124
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:15,560
we talk we try to talk to on the right
number of times we've got on static
1125
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,590
hung up on unable to call now government
office and be able to talk to him and
1126
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:25,000
tell him what was going on we ask you to
come back to the house wanted you know
1127
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:25,690
the Bosnian
1128
01:14:25,690 --> 01:14:30,720
worked yes is why we were still there
that's when I was slammed home
1129
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,910
you're leaving I had no say in moving
1130
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:40,270
Monday say go back to back going to
grandma's just get in the Van were
1131
01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:40,960
getting at
1132
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,170
whatever I don't know never coming back
1133
01:14:44,170 --> 01:14:48,400
here no leaving every fuckin thing I've
ever owned
1134
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,930
okay see you just ran out you were all
in night clothes
1135
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:56,490
guy was wearing whatever god said you
know i'd
1136
01:14:56,490 --> 01:15:00,890
and jobs are pretty sure me in on that
said
1137
01:15:00,890 --> 01:15:03,960
they weren't going back to the house the
left
1138
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,700
all their possessions there but the bank
foreclose on the house
1139
01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:12,720
they were the subject of intense
scrutiny George wasn't working anymore
1140
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,790
Kathy was not working she had three kids
and they moved they
1141
01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:19,170
they often moved to the other side of
the country you know they wanted to
1142
01:15:19,170 --> 01:15:24,300
get as far away from amityville as they
could we were looking for family therapy
1143
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:31,300
and I said mom
1144
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:35,970
we can even talk about this in our own
house in cornwall
1145
01:15:35,970 --> 01:15:39,430
with more logical explanations and
1146
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:43,670
and now you wanna tell the world's
1147
01:15:43,670 --> 01:15:48,340
what we can't even figure out ourselves
why would you want to do that
1148
01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:51,910
how are we gonna do that
1149
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:57,260
why you do in a there's nobody in the
neighborhood
1150
01:15:57,260 --> 01:16:00,810
doesn't know my mom and she's going on
TV shows and
1151
01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:04,610
yet I should dare and you know in school
is
1152
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:08,970
as a grade school student teaches your
movie was on last night
1153
01:16:08,970 --> 01:16:12,620
really happened what would you say I
1154
01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:16,640
you wanna just like could punch you in
the face and leave
1155
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:22,520
right they were chased all over the
country I mean literally changed
1156
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,610
the kids couldn't go to school harassed
1157
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:29,860
I mean this before pop arazi they
weren't they would leave them alone no
1158
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:31,040
phone calls
1159
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,630
not thing that's how we track their
movements burst through the meat
1160
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:38,110
once the amityville thing
1161
01:16:38,110 --> 01:16:43,000
happened in I started changing mentally
and emotionally
1162
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,780
I'm just redirected everything and
became hyper aggressive
1163
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:50,360
apparently think I d large advanced
1164
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,680
to promotional torrent it was going to
be.
1165
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:59,550
For probably close to a year if not
maybe a little more or they're going on
1166
01:16:59,550 --> 01:17:00,240
this world
1167
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,359
swarm
1168
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:06,559
wound up getting dumped off j catholic
church
1169
01:17:06,559 --> 01:17:11,040
monastery school
1170
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,140
I Caden authority problem I didn't care
1171
01:17:14,140 --> 01:17:17,720
preach were beating the shit out of me
performing extensions
1172
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:23,970
which if I'm not mistaken they don't
want to talk about
1173
01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:27,040
tell me about that what I mean
performing exorcisms
1174
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:33,020
performing axis isms like speaking in
tongues laying on hands
1175
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:37,050
holy water splashing violent falken
1176
01:17:37,050 --> 01:17:42,070
the bodily convulsions up
1177
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:46,739
which five axis is and do I need to
explain why would they have done this
1178
01:17:46,739 --> 01:17:53,739
because I was possessed by a spirit that
I could not get rid of mining
1179
01:17:58,820 --> 01:18:02,170
So I ran away from the church a couple
times
1180
01:18:02,170 --> 01:18:05,910
priest free to share that i'd
1181
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:08,990
said Georgian capital any communication
with you during this time
1182
01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:12,630
stumped you on I didn't talk to my
mother for probably the better part of
1183
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:13,210
the year
1184
01:18:13,210 --> 01:18:17,130
in and to be honest but she showed up
1185
01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:24,130
I don't have much to say
1186
01:18:35,599 --> 01:18:38,999
In many ways it will follow you for a
long long long time to come
1187
01:18:38,999 --> 01:18:42,940
why did you go public full before we
went public
1188
01:18:42,940 --> 01:18:47,880
some other people stand for US and
1189
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,600
widely exaggerated stories and this
1190
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,250
on
1191
01:18:53,250 --> 01:18:56,810
in order to convict him those things
1192
01:18:56,810 --> 01:18:59,830
you to live with US sweet most
1193
01:18:59,830 --> 01:19:06,590
world
1194
01:19:06,590 --> 01:19:09,930
that I no longer exist
1195
01:19:09,930 --> 01:19:13,910
I could not separate
1196
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:17,850
reality from what was called
1197
01:19:17,850 --> 01:19:20,960
came points where
1198
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:26,830
it was like this family nightmare come
true I could not
1199
01:19:26,830 --> 01:19:29,960
to see it was almost like being awake in
your own tree
1200
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:34,710
but I used to hate living a lifestyle a
structured lights
1201
01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:37,760
all of a sudden you know
1202
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,580
in a matter of like six-month period
1203
01:19:41,580 --> 01:19:44,670
this whole time you know
1204
01:19:44,670 --> 01:19:50,880
old house moved
1205
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,340
have no friends discarded
1206
01:19:54,340 --> 01:19:58,010
shit outta me mom no longer mom I used
to know
1207
01:19:58,010 --> 01:20:02,930
I would say between 12 and 15
1208
01:20:02,930 --> 01:20:06,510
probably ran away about a times for a
total
1209
01:20:06,510 --> 01:20:12,880
about two years I would have been about
1210
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,300
to stern 15 something I had a problem
1211
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:20,119
I was gone later lived in the orange
group
1212
01:20:20,119 --> 01:20:23,230
salt lake got a job in a gas station
1213
01:20:23,230 --> 01:20:30,230
in go to school in
1214
01:20:31,499 --> 01:20:34,369
what has been the worst
1215
01:20:34,369 --> 01:20:37,659
part a the whole
1216
01:20:37,659 --> 01:20:41,869
amityville experience for you that I
didn't get to tell my story the first
1217
01:20:41,869 --> 01:20:42,209
time
1218
01:20:42,209 --> 01:20:49,209
are there any silver linings in the
class anything come and have any deal
1219
01:20:50,809 --> 01:20:54,079
you feel was good I'm gonna go with
string
1220
01:20:54,079 --> 01:21:01,079
be on strike and I didn't know that was
there a time
1221
01:21:01,519 --> 01:21:05,190
when the hauntings or the
1222
01:21:05,190 --> 01:21:09,150
strange incidence stop world they had
1223
01:21:09,150 --> 01:21:13,469
stopped for me in Arizona while I was by
myself
1224
01:21:13,469 --> 01:21:17,999
do you believe they stop for the rest of
the family
1225
01:21:17,999 --> 01:21:24,999
no I
1226
01:21:26,369 --> 01:21:30,260
ended invoked the only thing in life
that that that scares me
1227
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:33,739
the only things the in my life that that
I truly fear
1228
01:21:33,739 --> 01:21:36,880
all the things that are just beyond my
control
1229
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,199
I'm not talking about man-made
situations that are beyond your control
1230
01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:41,280
there is
1231
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,840
and elements love for whatever
1232
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,909
label we want to put our name you know
easel tomorrow
1233
01:21:47,909 --> 01:21:51,760
conspirator whatever the fuck you want
to call it it exists
1234
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,249
under whatever label you wanna put it on
and
1235
01:21:55,249 --> 01:21:59,219
sad thats
1236
01:21:59,219 --> 01:22:03,130
the hardest thing for me to do continued
with I
1237
01:22:03,130 --> 01:22:06,890
because I know that it's true and
1238
01:22:06,890 --> 01:22:08,260
it
1239
01:22:08,260 --> 01:22:12,310
in my feeling about it
1240
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:16,910
has always the let's is may have
experience with item
1241
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:20,820
what I call low-level param from some
other hallucinogenic
1242
01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:24,330
something that noone whose engine so the
question becomes
1243
01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:28,690
let's say we could do this all over it
and let's say we kept the process an
1244
01:22:28,690 --> 01:22:29,770
investigator
1245
01:22:29,770 --> 01:22:33,090
went and talk to the Lexus and took that
testimony
1246
01:22:33,090 --> 01:22:37,550
could the ethical hard as we know it had
been spoke
1247
01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:41,780
my feeling is now I do even with the
back any fans have backdrop of those
1248
01:22:41,780 --> 01:22:42,560
mass murders
1249
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:47,460
your I do not belief based upon what the
Lexus claims that the experienced in
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01:22:47,460 --> 01:22:48,130
that house
1251
01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:53,440
would be enough to make this case now
nobody could have predicted
1252
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:56,810
what has instead so something happen
1253
01:22:56,810 --> 01:23:00,190
the question is why and the effect
psychologically
1254
01:23:00,190 --> 01:23:03,460
on the family I do believe the losses
1255
01:23:03,460 --> 01:23:08,320
believe that they experience something
that was unusual
1256
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,630
I wanted to believe the story I want to
find some evidence that it was true
1257
01:23:12,630 --> 01:23:15,640
as a reporter we are naturally very
skeptical
1258
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,970
and I c you know show me the evidence
1259
01:23:18,970 --> 01:23:22,650
and that night I saw no evidence
anything
1260
01:23:22,650 --> 01:23:28,270
that was unusual in that house I do
believe
1261
01:23:28,270 --> 01:23:31,700
that their forces out there that
1262
01:23:31,700 --> 01:23:35,450
are beyond comprehension of our normal
five senses
1263
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:39,290
I think that there were other forces at
work and I think
1264
01:23:39,290 --> 01:23:43,510
it would be very very hard for
1265
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:48,330
a boy who had just turned 10 years old
to distinguish between
1266
01:23:48,330 --> 01:23:52,450
in some cases fact fantasy reality
1267
01:23:52,450 --> 01:23:56,200
I think George's particular personality
1268
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,550
made him susceptible to that
1269
01:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,630
and it fit of him what you think Danny
is at right
1270
01:24:02,630 --> 01:24:06,390
blaming him for the haunting to take
place because Danny
1271
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:10,260
blames George for taking his mother away
and for
1272
01:24:10,260 --> 01:24:13,450
have it is convenient for him don't
think it's just convenient I think he
1273
01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:14,360
really believes it
1274
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,840
I mean in a sense there was a was a loss
of control
1275
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,410
very hard have gone through life
1276
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:26,300
have in the past been trying to people
not believe you 90
1277
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:30,070
like a mouse exactly I totally
understand now why you can smash it
1278
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:33,850
I just wanted somebody to believe me
1279
01:24:33,850 --> 01:24:40,850
right must make you feel crazy not
having people believe you
1280
01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:56,680
Would you be willing this summit to a
lie detector test
1281
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:02,330
a polygraph
1282
01:25:02,330 --> 01:25:04,719
I've been asked that many times
1283
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:11,719
and I've had doctors asked priests ask
me that my friends asked me
1284
01:25:12,930 --> 01:25:19,930
my ex-wife at that is there something
1285
01:25:20,230 --> 01:25:24,580
at that little electronic devices going
to tell you that you cannot believe more
1286
01:25:24,580 --> 01:25:25,100
than me
1287
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:32,010
yeah what is that
1288
01:25:32,010 --> 01:25:34,929
I'm just listen to you was Wayne feat
and
1289
01:25:34,929 --> 01:25:41,929
what say you I mean would you or would
you know
1290
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:47,240
law on have words with you after this is
done
1291
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,350
people and shit like down on me
1292
01:25:50,350 --> 01:25:53,630
which is not funny
1293
01:25:53,630 --> 01:25:59,570
wouldn't be doing this if I thought they
needed a fucking lie detector test
1294
01:25:59,570 --> 01:26:05,910
when I yes who I feel I need he's gonna
satisfy your fucking mind
1295
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:09,310
I'm not saying you're lined and I'm just
asking you
1296
01:26:09,310 --> 01:26:13,030
lot of people will be asking are will I
know that
1297
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:16,510
I knew that a long before you asked well
I'm his voice in the
1298
01:26:16,510 --> 01:26:21,060
opinion on the audience you my voice I
guess I cnt
1299
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:25,150
anything else you like that
1300
01:26:25,150 --> 01:26:32,150
at
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01:28:25,620 --> 01:28:32,620
I
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01:28:32,860 --> 01:28:37,750
I
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01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:38,910
I
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in
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