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Call me mr brown. 5 00:00:17,450 --> 00:00:21,290 ..In a plot ripped straight from Hollywood... 6 00:00:21,330 --> 00:00:24,050 Do not, repeat, do not go below 20,000 feet. 7 00:00:25,370 --> 00:00:29,610 ..Mr brown threatened to blow up a plane full of passengers. 8 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:32,410 What type of explosive or how it got there, 9 00:00:32,450 --> 00:00:34,370 we can only guess at this stage. 10 00:00:34,410 --> 00:00:37,130 Unless qantas payed his ransom. 11 00:00:38,290 --> 00:00:40,850 $500,000. 12 00:00:40,890 --> 00:00:44,490 It was the real-time crime that stopped the nation. 13 00:00:44,530 --> 00:00:47,170 If you panic in the flying biz, you're dead. 14 00:00:47,210 --> 00:00:50,050 Investigative crime reporter Adam shand 15 00:00:50,090 --> 00:00:51,130 follows the money trail. 16 00:00:51,170 --> 00:00:53,410 How much did he give you? 100 bucks. 17 00:00:53,450 --> 00:00:54,570 100 bucks? 18 00:00:54,610 --> 00:00:57,130 So where is all the missing cash? 19 00:00:57,170 --> 00:00:59,010 Someone knows where that money is. 20 00:01:00,610 --> 00:01:04,770 And was mr brown... Also a murderer? 21 00:01:05,810 --> 00:01:08,090 We begin tonight with some startling allegations 22 00:01:08,130 --> 00:01:10,730 about one of Australia's most notorious criminals. 23 00:01:27,370 --> 00:01:30,130 It's one of Australia's most audacious crimes. 24 00:01:30,170 --> 00:01:33,810 On may 26, 1971, a British extortionist 25 00:01:33,850 --> 00:01:35,770 who called himself mr brown 26 00:01:35,810 --> 00:01:38,130 called the commonwealth police at Sydney airport 27 00:01:38,170 --> 00:01:40,250 and made a frightening claim. 28 00:01:42,650 --> 00:01:46,250 He said he'd placed a bomb on board qantas flight 755 29 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:48,050 bound for Hong Kong. 30 00:01:49,690 --> 00:01:52,490 To prove he was serious, mr brown told them to take a look 31 00:01:52,530 --> 00:01:55,290 inside an airport locker, number 84, 32 00:01:55,330 --> 00:01:57,970 where they'd find another working bomb, 33 00:01:58,010 --> 00:02:02,090 identical to the one on qf755. 34 00:02:07,810 --> 00:02:10,650 The police went and looked in the locker. 35 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:14,930 And what did they find? 36 00:02:21,610 --> 00:02:23,170 True to his word, 37 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:25,770 mr brown had built an altimeter bomb.... 38 00:02:26,930 --> 00:02:30,450 ..With 12 sticks of gelignite primed to explode. 39 00:02:33,890 --> 00:02:35,250 Immediately I thought, 40 00:02:35,290 --> 00:02:38,130 "this could be a really interesting movie." 41 00:02:40,450 --> 00:02:44,050 10 years prior to his Oscar nomination for 'shine,' 42 00:02:44,090 --> 00:02:48,850 filmmaker Scott Hicks made a movie about the qantas extortion. 43 00:02:49,930 --> 00:02:52,290 'Call me mr brown.' 44 00:02:52,330 --> 00:02:53,970 final call for... 45 00:02:54,010 --> 00:02:56,410 Hicks stayed true to the real events of the day 46 00:02:56,450 --> 00:02:58,290 as they unfolded. 47 00:02:58,330 --> 00:03:02,610 He cast Chris Haywood in the key role of mr brown. 48 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:13,090 He made an altitude bomb 49 00:03:13,130 --> 00:03:16,810 and the police and experts were convinced 50 00:03:16,850 --> 00:03:19,530 that it was a working altimeter bomb. 51 00:03:21,690 --> 00:03:25,170 The replica bomb had been fitted with an altimeter 52 00:03:25,210 --> 00:03:29,410 which meant that if there was a bomb on flight 755, 53 00:03:29,450 --> 00:03:34,090 with 116 passengers and 12 crew on board, 54 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:37,090 it would be blown to smithereens 55 00:03:37,130 --> 00:03:40,330 when it descended below 20,000 feet. 56 00:03:44,450 --> 00:03:49,010 He was very clever because he picked a flight of nine hours, 57 00:03:49,050 --> 00:03:52,250 Sydney to Hong Kong non-stop. In other words, 58 00:03:52,290 --> 00:03:55,890 he calculated that would give US time to think about it. 59 00:03:55,930 --> 00:03:57,770 You know? Very clever. 60 00:03:59,410 --> 00:04:01,850 In 1971, John ulm 61 00:04:01,890 --> 00:04:05,450 was chief press and information officer for qantas. 62 00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:08,570 Before that, he'd been a war correspondent 63 00:04:08,610 --> 00:04:11,730 and a spitfire pilot in world war ii. 64 00:04:12,570 --> 00:04:16,410 Was this the most exciting/thrilling honours day 65 00:04:16,450 --> 00:04:20,010 since your war service? I'll put it this way, 66 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:24,690 apart from the war, my war, 67 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:27,010 it was the most interesting day in my life. 68 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:40,890 John ulm was working at qantas house in Sydney cbd 69 00:04:40,930 --> 00:04:46,250 when mr brown rang, asking to speak with the big boss. 70 00:04:47,730 --> 00:04:51,210 The general manager was then Bert ritchie. 71 00:04:51,250 --> 00:04:54,610 He was an ex-airline pilot, a lovely guy, 72 00:04:54,650 --> 00:04:56,970 but he was out having lunch, I think, 73 00:04:57,010 --> 00:04:58,570 with the rail commissioners. 74 00:04:59,290 --> 00:05:03,890 Phil hausen, who was the deputy general manager, 75 00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:06,290 he'd been an air force officer. 76 00:05:08,050 --> 00:05:09,850 He took the call. 77 00:05:09,890 --> 00:05:13,690 But mr brown only wanted to talk to ritchie, 78 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:17,010 so hausen had to impersonate the boss. 79 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:19,450 What the hell am I going to say to him? 80 00:05:19,490 --> 00:05:23,130 And this is about one o'clock, 81 00:05:23,170 --> 00:05:27,570 and I was in the general manager's office the entire time. 82 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:32,850 Hello, ritchie here. This is mr brown. 83 00:05:32,890 --> 00:05:34,530 Mr brown. 84 00:05:34,570 --> 00:05:37,450 I understand you're threatening US with a bomb explosion. 85 00:05:37,490 --> 00:05:39,170 Is that right? That's right. 86 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:41,570 In what aircraft, mr brown? 87 00:05:41,610 --> 00:05:44,370 It's all in the letter. I'm gonna ring you back at 3pm. 88 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:47,170 What's that? I'll call back at three. 89 00:05:47,770 --> 00:05:49,450 These phone calls that he made to qantas, 90 00:05:49,490 --> 00:05:50,890 which I have in my movie, 91 00:05:50,930 --> 00:05:54,130 they are verbatim transcripts of the original phone calls. 92 00:05:54,170 --> 00:05:55,810 There's no invention there. 93 00:05:55,850 --> 00:05:59,610 Both sides are totally bemused by the situation that they're in. 94 00:05:59,650 --> 00:06:04,330 Well, I hope, mr brown, you know, 95 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:06,210 there's nothing going on that would endanger the lives 96 00:06:06,250 --> 00:06:08,050 of any of our passengers on the aeroplane. 97 00:06:11,890 --> 00:06:15,130 By now, captain ritchie had returned from lunch 98 00:06:15,170 --> 00:06:17,650 to be met by police. 99 00:06:18,370 --> 00:06:21,330 Detective sergeant mcneill, breaking squad. 100 00:06:21,370 --> 00:06:24,730 Captain Richie. You chaps took your time. 101 00:06:26,410 --> 00:06:28,970 Right. What does qantas plan to do? 102 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:30,690 We're treating this one for real. 103 00:06:30,730 --> 00:06:34,090 Our only concern must be for the safety 104 00:06:34,130 --> 00:06:37,330 of the passengers and the crew. And if it's a hoax? 105 00:06:37,370 --> 00:06:39,650 And if it isn't? 106 00:06:39,690 --> 00:06:41,490 Are you prepared to live with that decision? 107 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:49,610 Sydney control to qantas 755. We're calling into Brisbane 108 00:06:49,650 --> 00:06:53,290 to check out a threatening call. Maintain your present altitude. 109 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:56,050 Do not, repeat, do not go below 20,000 feet. 110 00:06:57,570 --> 00:07:02,010 The plane only had nine hours of fuel on board, 111 00:07:02,050 --> 00:07:06,170 so the pressure was on to find a solution with mr brown. 112 00:07:09,130 --> 00:07:11,970 The actual planning of the event including making the bomb, 113 00:07:12,010 --> 00:07:14,650 you'd have to say involved quite a bit of skill. 114 00:07:19,410 --> 00:07:24,050 But then the actual event itself, carrying out the ransom demands 115 00:07:24,090 --> 00:07:25,970 seemed so amateurish. 116 00:07:28,930 --> 00:07:31,050 In some of those calls, which were recorded, 117 00:07:31,090 --> 00:07:34,650 he seems quite uncertain about the amount of money at one stage. 118 00:07:35,490 --> 00:07:40,050 ...let me see now. Look, we're demanding $50,000. 119 00:07:40,090 --> 00:07:42,090 $50,000? 120 00:07:42,130 --> 00:07:45,810 Right, sorry, I mean $500,000. 121 00:07:46,970 --> 00:07:49,050 You sound rather unsure of yourself, mr brown. 122 00:07:49,090 --> 00:07:51,770 Well, I don't know much about this sort of thing. 123 00:07:53,730 --> 00:07:56,330 Aside from the fact that it was a very devious plot 124 00:07:56,370 --> 00:07:58,170 that he put into play, 125 00:07:58,210 --> 00:08:01,650 he seemed very ill-prepared for success. 126 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:05,890 And he seemed as surprised as anyone 127 00:08:05,930 --> 00:08:08,330 when things started to actually go in his direction 128 00:08:08,370 --> 00:08:09,610 as the day wore on. 129 00:08:09,650 --> 00:08:12,410 I thought you were taking it a bit...You know... 130 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:15,050 Well, I thought you wasn't bothering too much actually. 131 00:08:15,090 --> 00:08:18,330 Not at all. Well. 132 00:08:18,370 --> 00:08:20,330 We have an aeroplane up there, mr brown, 133 00:08:20,370 --> 00:08:22,370 with 116 people in it. 134 00:08:22,410 --> 00:08:25,690 We're greatly concerned that they arrive on the ground safely. 135 00:08:28,890 --> 00:08:34,170 Passenger safety has always been the first priority at qantas, 136 00:08:34,210 --> 00:08:37,370 a tradition that goes right back to 1920 137 00:08:37,410 --> 00:08:39,330 when the airline was founded 138 00:08:39,370 --> 00:08:41,770 by Hudson fysh and Paul mcginness. 139 00:08:43,170 --> 00:08:46,970 Both were world war I veterans and flying aces 140 00:08:47,010 --> 00:08:49,450 with an iron will to survive. 141 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:55,690 A large proportion of qantas management 142 00:08:55,730 --> 00:08:59,490 had been air force operational people. 143 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:05,050 The staff manager was a flying boat pilot, 144 00:09:05,090 --> 00:09:08,810 the commercial manager was a kittyhawk fighter pilot, 145 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:11,610 I was a spitfire pilot, so you know, 146 00:09:11,650 --> 00:09:14,970 in the flying biz, we don't do panic. 147 00:09:15,010 --> 00:09:18,610 If you panic in the flying biz, you're dead. 148 00:09:18,650 --> 00:09:21,090 It reminds me of that famous quote from Keith Miller, 149 00:09:21,130 --> 00:09:23,770 the cricketer, who was asked about pressure in test cricket. 150 00:09:23,810 --> 00:09:25,410 He said, "that's not pressure. 151 00:09:25,450 --> 00:09:26,970 "A messerschmitt up your arse is pressure." 152 00:09:27,010 --> 00:09:29,090 Exactly. Exactly. 153 00:09:33,210 --> 00:09:36,570 By late afternoon, the aircraft had been recalled 154 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:40,450 back to Sydney where it was kept in a holding pattern, 155 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:45,130 burning precious fuel while hausen negotiated with mr brown. 156 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:48,930 The 707 left Sydney with everything indicating 157 00:09:48,970 --> 00:09:51,530 just another routine flight to Hong Kong, 158 00:09:51,570 --> 00:09:54,650 but the 130 people on board were just settling down 159 00:09:54,690 --> 00:09:57,450 when first word of any trouble was heard. 160 00:09:59,370 --> 00:10:01,650 The media seemed to be onto the story pretty early 161 00:10:01,690 --> 00:10:03,050 while the plane was still in the air. 162 00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:06,330 Do you recall how that leaked out? The media actually agreed 163 00:10:06,370 --> 00:10:09,730 not to run with it for a while. What happened then, 164 00:10:09,770 --> 00:10:12,490 later in the afternoon, when the plane was sent 165 00:10:12,530 --> 00:10:14,970 to circle over botany bay, 166 00:10:15,010 --> 00:10:17,850 they sent out submarines, the Navy. 167 00:10:17,890 --> 00:10:20,210 It was becoming a really big thing 168 00:10:20,250 --> 00:10:21,890 that no one could keep the lid on, 169 00:10:21,930 --> 00:10:23,730 so from that point, the press knew. 170 00:10:24,850 --> 00:10:27,210 There's still a great of mystery around the whole incident 171 00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:30,050 but the captain is known to have radioed that he believed 172 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:32,730 there was a live altitude bomb on board. 173 00:10:32,770 --> 00:10:35,730 What type of explosive or how it got there, 174 00:10:35,770 --> 00:10:37,810 we can only guess at this stage. 175 00:10:41,530 --> 00:10:45,610 Qantas agreed to pay the entire ransom, $500,000. 176 00:10:45,650 --> 00:10:48,210 Mr brown insisted they give him the money in the small bag 177 00:10:48,250 --> 00:10:51,370 the replica bomb had been in, but that was never gonna work, 178 00:10:51,410 --> 00:10:54,970 so John ulm and the qantas team had to improvise. 179 00:10:55,730 --> 00:10:58,010 So we sent somebody up to the canteen 180 00:10:58,050 --> 00:11:02,450 who bought two suitcases, very, very cheap. 181 00:11:02,490 --> 00:11:03,850 They were blue, I think. 182 00:11:03,890 --> 00:11:06,810 How was qantas able to get half a million dollars so quickly? 183 00:11:06,850 --> 00:11:09,370 Well, it's a very effective banking service in this country. 184 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:11,490 You just sign a cheque and you go to your bank 185 00:11:11,530 --> 00:11:12,690 and they give you half a million dollars. 186 00:11:12,730 --> 00:11:14,450 It was a very impressive service from our friends 187 00:11:14,490 --> 00:11:16,490 in the reserve bank. 188 00:11:17,850 --> 00:11:20,650 By now, it was getting dark. 189 00:11:20,690 --> 00:11:24,090 As the aircraft continued to circle botany bay, 190 00:11:24,130 --> 00:11:26,530 rapidly running out of fuel, 191 00:11:26,570 --> 00:11:30,530 mr brown drove a stolen yellow kombi Van 192 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:32,970 through the streets of Sydney. 193 00:11:33,010 --> 00:11:36,250 He was headed for qantas house in chifley square 194 00:11:36,290 --> 00:11:40,210 where he'd negotiated to pick up the two blue suitcases 195 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:42,090 full of money. 196 00:11:42,890 --> 00:11:45,090 Mr ulm, can you tell US how the money was handed over? 197 00:11:45,130 --> 00:11:47,210 The second to last call, very suddenly, 198 00:11:47,250 --> 00:11:48,890 gave US 15 minutes notice 199 00:11:48,930 --> 00:11:51,130 to have it available here in Sydney. 200 00:11:53,050 --> 00:11:56,650 Just before 17:45, captain ritchie 201 00:11:56,690 --> 00:11:58,890 carried the money downstairs in the elevator 202 00:11:58,930 --> 00:12:00,730 in two blue suitcases. 203 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:06,050 The yellow hire Van drew up 204 00:12:06,090 --> 00:12:09,050 as the telephone plan had set it up. 205 00:12:12,290 --> 00:12:14,090 Bert ritchie approached the Van. 206 00:12:15,410 --> 00:12:18,530 This man waved a small key which was the signal 207 00:12:18,570 --> 00:12:21,090 to indicate this was the pickup Van. 208 00:12:26,330 --> 00:12:28,530 He couldn't get the suitcases through the window 209 00:12:28,570 --> 00:12:30,010 which was the original plan. 210 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:31,850 The cases won't fit. 211 00:12:33,290 --> 00:12:34,850 The man in the Van, 212 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:37,090 who captain ritchie reported was in his mid-20s... 213 00:12:37,130 --> 00:12:38,970 Where do you want it? Down here. 214 00:12:39,010 --> 00:12:42,210 ..Wearing what appeared like a false beard. 215 00:12:44,690 --> 00:12:46,290 And with that... 216 00:12:50,330 --> 00:12:52,330 ..Mr brown was off. 217 00:12:54,330 --> 00:12:56,690 So, where were the police all this time? 218 00:12:57,730 --> 00:13:01,330 It's almost keystone cops in a way. 219 00:13:01,370 --> 00:13:05,170 I'm not saying that with a pointed disrespect. 220 00:13:07,050 --> 00:13:11,330 Qantas house has two entrances. Hunter street has two lifts. 221 00:13:13,890 --> 00:13:16,290 The main entrance has four lifts. 222 00:13:18,610 --> 00:13:22,850 When it came to the point, ok, the police better go down, 223 00:13:22,890 --> 00:13:26,170 all the lifts were locked because the cleaners... 224 00:13:26,210 --> 00:13:28,970 What now? Nobody told the cleaners. 225 00:13:29,010 --> 00:13:30,810 Go on! Get out! 226 00:13:32,610 --> 00:13:35,570 By the time the police cottoned on to the action... 227 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:39,770 ..Mr brown was long gone with the loot... 228 00:13:41,650 --> 00:13:44,690 He got away in the middle of Sydney, in the rush-hour, 229 00:13:44,730 --> 00:13:48,450 in the only yellow kombi Van in the southern hemisphere... 230 00:13:55,010 --> 00:13:57,290 ..And disappeared without a trace. 231 00:13:58,610 --> 00:14:02,410 Coming up, was it the perfect crime? 232 00:14:02,450 --> 00:14:04,250 Perhaps we can start by asking you 233 00:14:04,290 --> 00:14:09,610 is this the elusive mr brown? And a Hollywood connection. 234 00:14:09,650 --> 00:14:11,890 Would you mind repeating what you told the ticket agent? 235 00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:14,210 I told him I had placed a bomb 236 00:14:14,250 --> 00:14:16,530 aboard your flight six to New York. 237 00:14:27,850 --> 00:14:30,010 The atmosphere here at Sydney airport is electrifying 238 00:14:30,050 --> 00:14:32,050 as we wait out the final minutes of what must be 239 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:35,250 the greatest alert ever experienced here in Sydney. 240 00:14:36,130 --> 00:14:38,850 As we've watched the skies, we can only wait and hope. 241 00:14:43,810 --> 00:14:47,450 As the aircraft slowly descended from 35,000 feet, 242 00:14:47,490 --> 00:14:49,530 its fuel tanks almost empty, 243 00:14:49,570 --> 00:14:51,490 mr brown collected his ransom money, 244 00:14:51,530 --> 00:14:54,490 a call half a million dollars from qantas house. 245 00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:56,850 The deal was he'd call back and tell qantas 246 00:14:56,890 --> 00:15:00,890 where the bomb was hidden on board so the flight crew could disarm it 247 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:04,170 before the plane dropped below 20,000 feet, 248 00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:07,130 and true to his word, he called back. 249 00:15:10,930 --> 00:15:12,770 Hello, ritchie here. 250 00:15:12,810 --> 00:15:14,450 Now, look, the bomb's not on the plane. 251 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:18,170 The bomb is not on the plane? 252 00:15:18,210 --> 00:15:19,890 Well, it's better that it wasn't. 253 00:15:19,930 --> 00:15:21,410 I mean, it was dead sure that nothing would happen. 254 00:15:23,930 --> 00:15:25,450 Here are the lights now 255 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:27,930 of what we believe is the big qantas jet. 256 00:15:27,970 --> 00:15:31,050 The next few minutes will tell whether we have a safe landing. 257 00:15:35,610 --> 00:15:37,410 Less than 30 feet off the runway now, 258 00:15:37,450 --> 00:15:39,210 the main north-south runway. 259 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:42,250 And it's down. 260 00:15:42,290 --> 00:15:44,250 It looks like a safe landing. 261 00:15:48,370 --> 00:15:51,250 It was an enormous relief, 262 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:53,650 especially for passengers and crew. 263 00:15:55,850 --> 00:15:59,050 For you, what was the most nerve wracking moment of this flight? 264 00:15:59,090 --> 00:16:02,690 Well, when we commenced descent, I think it would be, 265 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:07,410 but when we reached 22,000 feet from the ground, 266 00:16:07,450 --> 00:16:10,730 there was no bomb on board. 267 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:12,370 What time was this? 268 00:16:12,410 --> 00:16:15,450 About 20 minutes before it landed. 269 00:16:15,490 --> 00:16:19,690 Everyone was very calm about this, and the cabin crew, 270 00:16:19,730 --> 00:16:22,930 the stewards and the hostesses were really wonderful. 271 00:16:22,970 --> 00:16:25,530 And you're flying again tonight? Well, we hope so, yes. 272 00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:27,490 We really do. 273 00:16:28,410 --> 00:16:30,610 The ordeal was over 274 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:32,730 and Australia could breathe again. 275 00:16:33,890 --> 00:16:35,930 But as police enquiries got underway, 276 00:16:35,970 --> 00:16:38,210 it was clear they were struggling. 277 00:16:39,930 --> 00:16:44,970 They found the kombi Van, but they had no leads on mr brown, 278 00:16:45,010 --> 00:16:48,010 so they improvised with a mannequin. 279 00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:50,170 Mr lendrum, perhaps we can start by asking you, 280 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:52,850 is this the elusive mr brown? 281 00:16:52,890 --> 00:16:55,090 No, David, it is not mr brown. 282 00:16:55,130 --> 00:16:57,970 It is what might be termed an impression 283 00:16:58,010 --> 00:17:01,570 given by three eyewitnesses of what they consider mr brown 284 00:17:01,610 --> 00:17:04,730 looked like in a fleeting glance. 285 00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:08,450 And whilst the incident is still fresh in some person's mind, 286 00:17:08,490 --> 00:17:11,410 we hope to recapture, from that person's mind, 287 00:17:11,450 --> 00:17:13,570 his impression of this man. 288 00:17:14,850 --> 00:17:16,530 As I say, this is a hurried operation 289 00:17:16,570 --> 00:17:18,050 and you've got to remember this, 290 00:17:18,090 --> 00:17:19,690 that almost a week has now passed by 291 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:21,130 since this man picked the money up. 292 00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:24,330 The police had nothing 293 00:17:24,370 --> 00:17:27,250 and there was pressure on mr brown as well. 294 00:17:30,010 --> 00:17:34,090 He was sitting on a huge pile of unmarked $20 bills, 295 00:17:34,130 --> 00:17:37,170 and now he needed an exit strategy. 296 00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:41,650 Very few people see that much money at one time 297 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:43,930 so I arranged to get into a bank 298 00:17:43,970 --> 00:17:46,250 and the bank very kindly put together half a million dollars 299 00:17:46,290 --> 00:17:50,570 in $20 notes which surprisingly takes up a big amount of space. 300 00:17:51,890 --> 00:17:55,050 It conjures up dreams of expensive motorcars, 301 00:17:55,090 --> 00:17:58,010 a private plane perhaps, a palatial mansion, 302 00:17:58,050 --> 00:18:00,890 or even your own south pacific island. 303 00:18:00,930 --> 00:18:03,250 For mr brown, they are dreams which theoretically 304 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:05,330 could become a reality. 305 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:07,610 A lot of people started to speculate, well, 306 00:18:07,650 --> 00:18:09,930 half a million dollars in $20 notes, 307 00:18:09,970 --> 00:18:11,690 you know, what's he gonna do with that? 308 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:15,290 We did it, ray, we did it. We did it! 309 00:18:15,330 --> 00:18:18,570 We'll never get away with it. We have got away with it! 310 00:18:18,610 --> 00:18:21,250 Now all we've got to do is lie low until things cool off. 311 00:18:24,250 --> 00:18:27,490 Mr brown could not have done this crime on his own. 312 00:18:28,810 --> 00:18:31,130 His accomplice was a Sydney bartender. 313 00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:34,970 Raymond James poynting. 314 00:18:35,010 --> 00:18:38,250 He helped make the replica bomb and typed up the letters 315 00:18:38,290 --> 00:18:40,210 of demand to qantas. 316 00:18:41,890 --> 00:18:43,730 You better keep your lid on your spending. 317 00:18:43,770 --> 00:18:45,250 How are we gonna cover ourselves if people 318 00:18:45,290 --> 00:18:47,650 start asking questions about the money? 319 00:18:48,810 --> 00:18:51,490 It would probably be difficult to put it into a bank account, 320 00:18:51,530 --> 00:18:54,970 at least half a million, and although the banks 321 00:18:55,010 --> 00:18:56,730 were keen to tell me, 322 00:18:56,770 --> 00:18:58,330 I did an interview with the bank official who said... 323 00:18:58,370 --> 00:19:00,730 We'd be delighted to get a new account 324 00:19:00,770 --> 00:19:02,770 for half a million dollars, 325 00:19:02,810 --> 00:19:05,410 but on the other hand, this wouldn't happen. 326 00:19:05,450 --> 00:19:08,890 We'd have our checks and balances but as it turned out, 327 00:19:08,930 --> 00:19:11,170 he was able to put quite large sums 328 00:19:11,210 --> 00:19:14,610 into bank accounts using aliases. 329 00:19:14,650 --> 00:19:18,490 Bill day, Ivan day, someone called Adams. 330 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:25,010 Were people aware of those aliases at the time? 331 00:19:25,050 --> 00:19:29,050 No. He'd been using the name king or brown. 332 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:32,130 King was the name that poynting knew him under. 333 00:19:38,730 --> 00:19:40,690 It's extraordinary that Raymond poynting 334 00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:43,570 didn't know the true identity of mr brown, 335 00:19:43,610 --> 00:19:45,170 nor did the real estate agents who sold him 336 00:19:45,210 --> 00:19:47,570 an old butcher shop in the Sydney suburb of annandale 337 00:19:47,610 --> 00:19:50,690 for $14,750. 338 00:19:52,410 --> 00:19:54,650 They knew him as Billy day. 339 00:19:59,730 --> 00:20:02,490 He also used an alias to buy an impressive penthouse 340 00:20:02,530 --> 00:20:04,850 in bondi for $41,000. 341 00:20:08,650 --> 00:20:10,490 If these crooks had played their cards right, 342 00:20:10,530 --> 00:20:12,450 they could have got away with this. 343 00:20:12,490 --> 00:20:15,170 They could have left the country undetected with the loot, 344 00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:18,450 but mr brown had come to love the good life around Sydney, 345 00:20:18,490 --> 00:20:21,370 and he was keen to enjoy his money. 346 00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:29,690 The police machine is painstakingly checking down 347 00:20:29,730 --> 00:20:31,610 a number of lines, hoping they'll turn up 348 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:33,370 the lead they're seeking. 349 00:20:39,210 --> 00:20:41,850 The police were desperate to solve the case. 350 00:20:41,890 --> 00:20:45,490 They'd posted a $50,000 reward for information 351 00:20:45,530 --> 00:20:50,250 leading to mr brown, and they soon hit the jackpot. 352 00:20:51,490 --> 00:20:56,330 Both he and his accomplice poynting just went mad. 353 00:20:58,930 --> 00:21:01,770 Bought six or eight expensive cars, 354 00:21:01,810 --> 00:21:04,290 paid all in $20 bills. 355 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:06,810 He really blew his own cover. 356 00:21:10,330 --> 00:21:11,890 There it is. 357 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:20,570 When the police finally caught up with mr brown... 358 00:21:21,450 --> 00:21:23,930 ..He scrambled for another alias. 359 00:21:24,770 --> 00:21:27,370 What's your full name? Raymond James poynting. 360 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:29,610 Right, mr poynting. 361 00:21:29,650 --> 00:21:31,570 You don't mind if we have a look in your boot, do you? 362 00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:33,210 Hey, boss. Take a look at this. 363 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:36,250 The jig was up. 364 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:43,650 Poynting was also arrested... In his own name. 365 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:48,610 Ray, fancy seeing you here. 366 00:21:49,490 --> 00:21:50,730 Is this the man you know as Peter king? 367 00:21:50,770 --> 00:21:52,570 Yeah. 368 00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:54,210 It is. 369 00:21:55,930 --> 00:22:00,210 I put it to you that you are in fact Peter pasquale macari, 370 00:22:00,250 --> 00:22:02,170 wanted in england on various charges. 371 00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:03,930 Macari? 372 00:22:03,970 --> 00:22:06,210 I'm Peter macari. 373 00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:10,330 And I'm mr brown. 374 00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:20,650 Next... 375 00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:26,730 ..The mount isa connection. 376 00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:28,370 We pulled him out of the mine. 377 00:22:28,410 --> 00:22:31,530 And the line manager I remember saying, 378 00:22:31,570 --> 00:22:34,970 "why did you do it?" And I thought, "why did I do what?" 379 00:22:42,450 --> 00:22:44,730 Peter macari, aka mr brown, 380 00:22:44,770 --> 00:22:47,650 Billy day, Peter king and a host of other aliases 381 00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:50,250 has been arrested over the qantas bomb hoax, 382 00:22:50,290 --> 00:22:52,130 but how did he come up with this simple 383 00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:54,650 but highly effective extortion plot? 384 00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:57,690 Well, it turns out his inspiration came from Hollywood. 385 00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:11,610 In 1966, 'twilight zone' creator Rob serling 386 00:23:11,650 --> 00:23:13,490 terrified American viewers 387 00:23:13,530 --> 00:23:16,890 in his TV movie 'the doomsday flight.' 388 00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:20,730 after flight six took off from Los Angeles, 389 00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:23,490 a stranger called from a public phone 390 00:23:23,530 --> 00:23:26,090 to reveal his fiendish plot. 391 00:23:26,130 --> 00:23:27,290 He's on two. 392 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:29,770 Would you mind repeating what you told the ticket agent? 393 00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:31,690 I wouldn't mind at all. 394 00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:34,290 I told him I placed a bomb 395 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:36,690 aboard your flight six to New York. 396 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:40,490 Just like Peter macari five years later, 397 00:23:40,530 --> 00:23:43,410 the movie villain had built an altimeter bomb... 398 00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:46,890 ..But in 'the doomsday flight', 399 00:23:46,930 --> 00:23:50,250 the villain managed to hide his bomb aboard the plane. 400 00:23:52,090 --> 00:23:56,050 In the film, the bomb is on the plane in the pilot's bag. 401 00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:59,050 Macari thought, "well, I can do this 402 00:23:59,090 --> 00:24:01,570 "without a bomb on the plane," which was quite clever. 403 00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:03,290 It was, yeah, there's no doubt about that. 404 00:24:05,170 --> 00:24:07,210 In 1971, Brian Harding 405 00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:10,610 was in the new south wales breaking squad. 406 00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:15,490 It was his job to investigate the replica bomb 407 00:24:15,530 --> 00:24:18,770 and see if anyone else was involved in the hoax 408 00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:21,810 besides macari and poynting. 409 00:24:23,850 --> 00:24:26,130 Of course, the detonators and the explosives 410 00:24:26,170 --> 00:24:28,850 came over to the breaking squad for investigation, 411 00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:30,490 and fairly early in the piece, 412 00:24:30,530 --> 00:24:32,090 we establish that they were from mount isa. 413 00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:37,730 Mount isa was, and still is, 414 00:24:37,770 --> 00:24:40,850 a very large mining town in queensland. 415 00:24:42,650 --> 00:24:45,930 Police believed macari had a connection there. 416 00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:49,610 We went up to mount isa 417 00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:51,490 and through a process of elimination, 418 00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:54,050 we identified a particular person. 419 00:24:56,050 --> 00:24:58,330 His name was frank sorohan. 420 00:24:58,370 --> 00:25:01,170 And do you recall the circumstances of the arrest? 421 00:25:01,210 --> 00:25:03,650 We pulled him out of the mine. 422 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:07,810 And there's these guys dressed in suits all around the place 423 00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:10,130 and I didn't know what was going on 424 00:25:10,170 --> 00:25:12,170 and they grabbed me. 425 00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:16,530 This is the first time frank sorohan has spoken publicly 426 00:25:16,570 --> 00:25:18,730 about his role in the great qantas hoax. 427 00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:21,570 I skyped him in outback queensland, 428 00:25:21,610 --> 00:25:23,210 where he still lives. 429 00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:29,530 They took me up to the manager, the mine manager, 430 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:32,090 and the mine manager, I remember him saying, 431 00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:33,610 "why did you do it?" 432 00:25:33,650 --> 00:25:36,730 And I thought, "why did I do what?" 433 00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:42,770 Frank sorohan was a naive 20-year-old mine worker 434 00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:47,730 when Peter macari arrived in mount isa in early 1971. 435 00:25:49,650 --> 00:25:54,010 Met him uptown at a cafe there. 436 00:25:54,050 --> 00:25:57,850 You know, you used to go uptown, play pool and things like that 437 00:25:57,890 --> 00:26:00,810 back in the day, and met him there. 438 00:26:01,850 --> 00:26:05,490 And sort of just got talking, and then he started 439 00:26:05,530 --> 00:26:08,130 asking about explosives and things like that. 440 00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:13,810 See what I mean? Simple. 441 00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:15,570 Can you get any more of this stuff? 442 00:26:15,610 --> 00:26:19,570 Without anyone finding out? Maybe. 443 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:21,370 What do you want it for? 444 00:26:21,410 --> 00:26:24,410 Just a little project I had in mind. 445 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:25,970 Blow up a couple of tree stumps. Harmless. 446 00:26:28,090 --> 00:26:30,170 Well, we'll see what we can do? 447 00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:34,170 So I brought some up from underground 448 00:26:34,210 --> 00:26:35,570 and gave it to him. I didn't sell them to him. 449 00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:40,210 He came back to isa after the hoax 450 00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:42,570 and he gave me some money, 451 00:26:42,610 --> 00:26:47,330 and I had that in my locker when the cops got me. 452 00:26:47,370 --> 00:26:48,770 How much did he give you? 453 00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:51,890 100 bucks. 100 bucks? 454 00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:53,050 Yeah. 455 00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:55,650 Mate, he'd just made $500,000, frank, 456 00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:57,970 and you got 100 bucks! 457 00:26:58,010 --> 00:27:02,450 I think he was also checking on me 458 00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:04,410 to see if the penny had dropped, 459 00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:06,130 and clearly it hadn't. 460 00:27:09,850 --> 00:27:13,770 Sorohan was charged by the police as an accessory 461 00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:16,690 but the charges were dropped when the court accepted 462 00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:19,770 he had no idea what macari was up to. 463 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:25,810 Macari was sentenced to nine years in jail. 464 00:27:27,850 --> 00:27:30,250 Summing up, judge staunton described macari 465 00:27:30,290 --> 00:27:32,090 as a clever and resourceful criminal. 466 00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:34,770 He said macari had been instrumental 467 00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:36,850 in bringing into action the defence systems 468 00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:40,010 of the country and had disrupted an international airline. 469 00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:43,290 Judge staunton added he was satisfied that macari 470 00:27:43,330 --> 00:27:45,850 was not in the least contrite. 471 00:27:57,890 --> 00:28:00,290 How much did he talk about the plot? 472 00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:02,650 Well, not very much really. 473 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:04,090 Everyone knew that he did it. 474 00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:12,450 His greatest claim to fame at maitland, I think, 475 00:28:12,490 --> 00:28:14,130 was he was the projectionist 476 00:28:14,170 --> 00:28:17,210 on the Saturday afternoon movies. You know, in those days, 477 00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:19,450 you used to have a movie projector. 478 00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:21,330 They didn't show 'doomsday flight?' 479 00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:23,570 not while I was there. 480 00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:28,770 The prisoners were more interested in what happened 481 00:28:28,810 --> 00:28:30,890 to macari's loot from the qantas hoax. 482 00:28:30,930 --> 00:28:32,370 Let's face it. 483 00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:34,730 500 grand was a lot of money back in 1971. 484 00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:35,970 It still is today. 485 00:28:36,730 --> 00:28:39,530 We know that macari bought the old butcher shop in annandale. 486 00:28:42,650 --> 00:28:44,410 After he went to jail, it was discovered 487 00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:45,730 he'd bricked up the chimney... 488 00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:50,410 ..And behind those bricks, the police found a big pile 489 00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:52,170 of $20 notes. 490 00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:55,890 Soon, they found another $70,000 491 00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:58,890 stashed beneath floorboards in a house in balmain. 492 00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:04,610 Even though there are still thousands of dollars 493 00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:06,930 to be accounted for, police believe they've recovered 494 00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:09,370 the majority of money from the qantas hoax. 495 00:29:09,410 --> 00:29:12,570 The next step in the case will be for detectives to question macari 496 00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:16,170 in the hope that he may reveal where the remainder can be found. 497 00:29:19,770 --> 00:29:21,890 The only time I really saw him upset 498 00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:25,290 was when they recovered all his money 499 00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:28,010 and he wasn't too happy that day. 500 00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:29,610 Because he was thinking he'd probably get out 501 00:29:29,650 --> 00:29:30,850 and there's his little stoop to come back to. 502 00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:32,530 Well, I would assume that's what he was thinking. 503 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:37,170 With the cash counted and the property sold, 504 00:29:37,210 --> 00:29:41,970 there was still about $250,000 missing, 505 00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:44,810 and to this day, it has never been recovered. 506 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:48,450 Did he ever get any attention from other inmates 507 00:29:48,490 --> 00:29:51,170 about saying, "well, we know half the money is still outstanding." 508 00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:54,010 Yeah, a couple of well-known crims fronted him. 509 00:29:54,050 --> 00:29:55,850 Said, "listen, where's the money?" 510 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:57,530 But he said, "look, there's none left, 511 00:29:57,570 --> 00:30:00,290 "I don't know where it's gone," and they just let it go at that. 512 00:30:01,450 --> 00:30:05,410 When Peter macari was released from jail in 1980, 513 00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:08,170 he was taken straight to the airport 514 00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:10,330 to be deported back to britain. 515 00:30:11,530 --> 00:30:13,970 He was still holding his secrets close. 516 00:30:32,170 --> 00:30:35,490 Macari has now been handed over to three security officers 517 00:30:35,530 --> 00:30:38,490 who will stay with him all the way to London, 518 00:30:38,530 --> 00:30:42,170 and isn't it ironic that this, his last fight out of Australia, 519 00:30:42,210 --> 00:30:44,930 is by courtesy of qantas. 520 00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:52,330 Next... 521 00:30:53,050 --> 00:30:55,490 Peter macari, the man known as mr brown, 522 00:30:55,530 --> 00:30:58,570 was implicated in a murder mystery a year earlier. 523 00:30:58,610 --> 00:31:02,610 Is Peter macari also a murderer? 524 00:31:02,650 --> 00:31:05,330 Did that strike you as a motive for murder? 525 00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:21,250 We're rolling the story forward to 1994. 526 00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:24,250 Two decades after the qantas hoax. 527 00:31:24,290 --> 00:31:26,210 Sydney reporter basil sweeney 528 00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:29,530 finds a new, darker angle to the story. 529 00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:32,970 He writes of a young englishman, William Albert day, 530 00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:35,530 known as Billy, who vanished during a working holiday 531 00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:37,890 in new south wales in 1970. 532 00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:40,210 By now, always everyone except his family 533 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:42,970 has forgotten about Billy, but sweeney reveals 534 00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:45,770 that the last person to see Billy day 535 00:31:45,810 --> 00:31:49,250 was Peter macari, the qantas extortionist, 536 00:31:49,290 --> 00:31:52,690 and the story strongly suggests that macari had a hand 537 00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:54,610 in Billy day's fate. 538 00:31:54,650 --> 00:31:57,570 We begin tonight with some startling allegations 539 00:31:57,610 --> 00:32:00,930 about one of Australia's most notorious criminals. 540 00:32:00,970 --> 00:32:03,570 Peter macari, the man known as mr brown, 541 00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:07,010 was implicated in a murder mystery a year earlier. 542 00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:09,290 Macari's name raised again 543 00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:11,970 as the centre of another investigation, 544 00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:15,890 this time into the disappearance of English tourist bill day, 545 00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:19,170 who vanished a year before the extortion. 546 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:23,090 My name's Mark Murdoch, and in 1994, 547 00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:25,490 I was detective sergeant at the homicide squad. 548 00:32:25,530 --> 00:32:28,130 I was just fortunate or unfortunate enough 549 00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:30,370 to allocated the investigation. 550 00:32:33,570 --> 00:32:36,890 As the lead investigator, Murdoch's first job 551 00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:40,450 was to speak to the day family who told him their son 552 00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:43,690 had travelled to Australia in 1969. 553 00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:49,370 If you could tell me who you are 554 00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:52,210 and your relationship to Billy day. 555 00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:56,530 I'm Trevor day. I'm bill's youngest brother. 556 00:32:56,570 --> 00:32:59,170 I'm from Ipswich in england. 557 00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:06,610 I was only a young kid when bill went to Australia. 558 00:33:08,050 --> 00:33:11,490 What are your memories of him? He was a lovable bloke. 559 00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:13,450 He was a good-looking bloke and he was always smiling. 560 00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:17,170 He was as tough as old boots. 561 00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:19,290 A solid, big bloke? Solid bloke. 562 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:21,130 I think he was a middleweight boxer. 563 00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:26,050 Not the kind of person you could trifle with. 564 00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:28,730 No, no. 565 00:33:30,890 --> 00:33:34,690 Bill day came to Australia with his mate Dave Burt, 566 00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:37,890 two young blokes in search of a better life. 567 00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:41,010 How often do you think of your old mate Billy day? 568 00:33:41,050 --> 00:33:42,450 Quite often. 569 00:33:42,490 --> 00:33:44,650 Sometimes I lay in bed at night and I think, 570 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:47,010 "I wonder whatever happened to bill." 571 00:33:47,050 --> 00:33:50,130 He was a real good mate, and as you know, 572 00:33:50,170 --> 00:33:53,170 he hasn't been seen for around about 50 years, so... 573 00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:55,650 What do you think happened to him? 574 00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:58,690 I think he most probably got murdered. 575 00:34:02,610 --> 00:34:05,890 The two friends had worked and travelled around Australia 576 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:07,490 for nearly a year. 577 00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:10,410 Bill day had come to Sydney on his own. 578 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:14,970 Day and Burt had found some work in a copper mine in bougainville, 579 00:34:15,010 --> 00:34:16,890 but he suggested that bill could stay 580 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,530 with some englishman he knew that were an sharing apartment 581 00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:21,930 in this building behind me. 582 00:34:23,170 --> 00:34:25,410 So bill moved in. 583 00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:27,930 Soon, he was invited to go on a road trip 584 00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:29,690 with one of the men living in the apartment. 585 00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:34,850 He knew that man as Peter brown, when in fact, he was Peter macari. 586 00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:43,610 Bill day wrote to his family in the UK 587 00:34:43,650 --> 00:34:45,490 three to four times a week 588 00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:48,650 for a period in excess of 12 months. 589 00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:52,810 Now, the last letter that the family received from bill 590 00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:57,650 was in june/july 1970, when bill told them 591 00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:00,930 that he was going to travel in a campervan 592 00:35:00,970 --> 00:35:04,370 from Sydney to queensland with Peter brown. 593 00:35:11,290 --> 00:35:15,090 It's not clear how far north the two of them travelled... 594 00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:18,730 ..But only one of them came back. 595 00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:21,730 And that was Peter macari. 596 00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:25,530 This is all before the hoax takes place. 597 00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:28,690 The theory has long been that Billy day 598 00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:30,410 perhaps knew what was going to happen 599 00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:32,290 and was gonna blow the whistle. 600 00:35:32,330 --> 00:35:34,530 Did that strike you as a motive for murder? 601 00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:38,810 Quite possibly. 602 00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:41,930 Day was last heard of between June 603 00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:45,330 and August 1970. On the evidence, 604 00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:48,170 it would appear that macari didn't start to really hatch 605 00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:50,330 the plot for the qantas extortion 606 00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:53,330 and really put the wheels in motion, if you like, 607 00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:55,890 until the very early part of 1971, 608 00:35:55,930 --> 00:36:00,450 which was well past the time that day had dropped off the planet. 609 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:05,290 So, what else could have motivated a murder? 610 00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:10,490 In 1970, macari was wanted by authorities in britain 611 00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:12,730 for a string of offences. 612 00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:16,490 Firearms, property, and sexual. 613 00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:21,970 Macari was gay which, at that time, 614 00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:24,930 was a crime in england, and in new south wales. 615 00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:30,450 What did day really know about his travelling companion? 616 00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:36,930 Was Billy day gay? 617 00:36:36,970 --> 00:36:40,650 Bill, he definitely wasn't homosexual. 618 00:36:40,690 --> 00:36:43,770 It's been proven since that macari was. 619 00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:48,770 At the time, like macari, I think he's a very good conman, 620 00:36:48,810 --> 00:36:51,290 or he must have been because, well, he had me conned. 621 00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:53,370 I didn't think he was homosexual, 622 00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:56,050 and most probably the same with bill. 623 00:36:56,090 --> 00:36:57,330 "Yeah, I'll go on a trip with him," 624 00:36:57,370 --> 00:36:59,090 and things changed, 625 00:36:59,130 --> 00:37:03,050 and maybe bill wanted to get out of the place. 626 00:37:03,090 --> 00:37:07,850 Macari's come back later and shot him or whatever. 627 00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:13,410 Dave Burt believes Peter macari was carrying a gun on that trip. 628 00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:17,970 He saw a Winchester rifle in macari's campervan 629 00:37:18,010 --> 00:37:20,250 when he was in Sydney. 630 00:37:20,290 --> 00:37:25,010 There's also the question of macari's controlling personality. 631 00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:28,970 Macari seemed to select people like Billy day, 632 00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:30,650 whether they were gay or not, 633 00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:32,810 compliant people he could manipulate. 634 00:37:32,850 --> 00:37:37,210 Very much so. He was the person who... 635 00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:40,330 He was in charge, he called the shots. 636 00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:43,610 He's co-accused in the qantas extortion. 637 00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:46,410 Ray poynting was certainly someone that he knew 638 00:37:46,450 --> 00:37:48,170 would do what was told. 639 00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:54,250 Maybe bill day wouldn't do what he was told. 640 00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:56,770 Perhaps that's why he disappeared. 641 00:38:01,650 --> 00:38:05,490 Regardless, macari started using bill day's identity 642 00:38:05,530 --> 00:38:09,050 soon after the road trip in 1970. 643 00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:13,930 Used day's name to book accommodation, 644 00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:18,490 buy plane tickets, purchase property... 645 00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:22,250 ..Open bank accounts. 646 00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:25,690 Mr macari has used mr day's identity 647 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:27,490 on no less than 30 occasions, 648 00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:31,010 between November 1970 and August 4, 1971, 649 00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:32,570 when he was ultimately arrested 650 00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:33,930 for his role in the qantas extortion. 651 00:38:42,970 --> 00:38:46,650 When police arrested Peter macari, Dave Burt was back in Sydney. 652 00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:49,330 He was with his mates having a beer in a beachside hotel 653 00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:51,170 when he saw a photograph of macari 654 00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:53,450 on the front page of a newspaper. 655 00:38:53,490 --> 00:38:56,810 I said to my mates, "bloody hell, I know that bloke." 656 00:39:00,050 --> 00:39:04,010 I start reading the story and it mentioned my mate bill day 657 00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:06,170 and he'd bought an e type jag in his name 658 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:09,570 and I thought, "I'd better do something about this." 659 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:11,690 So I hopped in the taxi and went up to the police station. 660 00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:16,490 Bert attempted to persuade the police 661 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:19,890 to investigate the disappearance of his mate, 662 00:39:19,930 --> 00:39:22,890 but says he was fobbed off. 663 00:39:22,930 --> 00:39:26,810 Unfortunately, there was no evidence 664 00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:30,250 day was ever recorded as a missing person 665 00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:33,890 in new south wales or queensland until 1995. 666 00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:39,170 So, there was a massive lost opportunity there for 25 years 667 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,770 where things could have been done but weren't. 668 00:39:46,330 --> 00:39:49,370 Coming up, the interview... 669 00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:51,490 Was he a good liar? An excellent liar. 670 00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:54,290 He's only tell you what he wanted you to know. 671 00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:59,130 Did Peter macari also kill his own brother? 672 00:39:59,170 --> 00:40:03,130 Macari was either very unlucky or there's something more to it. 673 00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:11,890 In 1994, detective sergeant Mark Murdoch 674 00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:13,490 began investigating the disappearance 675 00:40:13,530 --> 00:40:15,650 and possible murder of Billy day 676 00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:17,130 on behalf of the coroner. 677 00:40:18,970 --> 00:40:22,530 He didn't have a body so one of his first lines of enquiry 678 00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:24,970 was to check amongst the unidentified remains 679 00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:27,970 of more than 400 people that had been found 680 00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:32,810 in new south wales and queensland between 1970 and 1994. 681 00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:36,130 This was a classic needle in a haystack situation, 682 00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:38,210 a long shot, but without DNA, 683 00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:40,250 medical and dental records for day, 684 00:40:40,290 --> 00:40:43,610 this would prove to be a forensic dead-end at this stage. 685 00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:48,570 Whilst trying to keep an open mind 686 00:40:48,610 --> 00:40:50,450 during the course of the investigation... 687 00:40:52,090 --> 00:40:53,810 ...most significant lines of enquiry 688 00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:55,050 came back to mr macari. 689 00:40:57,010 --> 00:40:59,690 Detective Murdoch only ever had one person 690 00:40:59,730 --> 00:41:01,890 of interest in his enquiry. 691 00:41:01,930 --> 00:41:05,810 And that was the qantas hoaxer Peter macari, 692 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:09,090 who'd been in an out of jail in britain and Australia 693 00:41:09,130 --> 00:41:11,690 since the age of 18. 694 00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:15,810 Since being deported back to britain in 1980, 695 00:41:15,850 --> 00:41:18,370 he'd spent yet more time in jail. 696 00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:24,210 When detective Murdoch flew over to interview him in 1995, 697 00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:29,890 macari was once again a free man, living on a houseboat. 698 00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:36,490 We just had to sit in the car and wait for the tide to go out, 699 00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:40,210 and for the houseboat to settle on the bottom of the bay 700 00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:43,130 before we could walk out and grab him, 701 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:46,170 so it was an interesting day. 702 00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:53,090 Was he living in any kind of luxury on that? 703 00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:55,210 ...very limited means. 704 00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:57,170 The houseboat was an old thing, 705 00:41:57,210 --> 00:42:00,290 more a bit of an old fishing trawler. 706 00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:04,410 I think any money he had, he'd well and truly spent. 707 00:42:06,730 --> 00:42:09,090 Despite no outward appearance of wealth, 708 00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:12,930 macari made sure his lawyer was present 709 00:42:12,970 --> 00:42:14,810 for the police interview. 710 00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:27,290 What transpired next was a very carefully constructed set 711 00:42:27,330 --> 00:42:30,450 of answers from macari about the hoax 712 00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:33,410 and the disappearance of bill day. 713 00:42:33,450 --> 00:42:35,370 Was he proud of the qantas hoax? 714 00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:39,010 He spoke about it like it happened yesterday. 715 00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:41,730 It was very, very fresh in his mind. 716 00:42:41,770 --> 00:42:45,250 A great deal of accuracy about events, times. 717 00:42:46,450 --> 00:42:50,290 But macari was not so fresh on the subject 718 00:42:50,330 --> 00:42:53,890 of how he assumed the identity of bill day. 719 00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:57,650 The line of questioning was put to macari. 720 00:42:57,690 --> 00:43:00,770 Like, ok, as it turned out, he used the name William day 721 00:43:00,810 --> 00:43:04,010 on numerous occasions. 722 00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:05,970 "Here is the evidence of the occasions 723 00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:09,730 "you used day's name. What can you tell me about day?" 724 00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:16,730 And his response to that was that he couldn't remember bill day. 725 00:43:16,770 --> 00:43:18,210 He doesn't remember meeting him. 726 00:43:19,410 --> 00:43:21,610 He didn't recognise a photo of day 727 00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:23,530 when I showed him his photo. 728 00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:26,810 He says that he adopts the name of people that he knows, 729 00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:29,810 but he has no recollection of day or ever having meeting him. 730 00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:34,330 Was he a good liar? An excellent liar. 731 00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:37,410 He's cunning, charismatic. 732 00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:42,010 He'd only tell you what he wanted you to know. 733 00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:45,290 If you wanted to tease something else out of him, 734 00:43:45,330 --> 00:43:47,570 you basically had to be able to prove to him 735 00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:49,570 that what he was saying wasn't right. 736 00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:54,090 And that was as close as Murdoch came 737 00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:57,730 to pinning the disappearance of bill day on macari. 738 00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:02,170 In the absence of a body, he didn't have enough 739 00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:04,570 to charge the qantas hoaxer. 740 00:44:06,090 --> 00:44:08,650 Do you conclude that he was a murderer? 741 00:44:12,370 --> 00:44:14,530 Look, I wouldn't put it past him. 742 00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:18,250 Can't prove it, but I wouldn't put it past him. 743 00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:24,690 While he was in england, detective Murdoch 744 00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:27,250 discovered that British police were investigating 745 00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:31,610 the disappearance and murder of Peter macari's brother George 746 00:44:31,650 --> 00:44:33,730 in 1962. 747 00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:39,970 Peter macari's brother George mysteriously vanished in england, 748 00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:42,930 his body later found in a shallow grave. 749 00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:45,570 Macari was the last person to see him alive 750 00:44:45,610 --> 00:44:47,570 and was interviewed by police, 751 00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:50,490 but no one has ever been charged with the murder. 752 00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:57,970 You've got Peter macari being the last person 753 00:44:58,010 --> 00:45:01,410 who had dealings with his brother before he disappeared 754 00:45:01,450 --> 00:45:03,890 and was subsequently found deceased, 755 00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:07,690 but you've also now got him the last known person 756 00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:10,810 to have had contact with William day 757 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:12,650 before he essentially dropped off the planet. 758 00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:17,410 Again, coincidence indicates that macari 759 00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:23,650 was either very unlucky or there's something more to it. 760 00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:35,130 In 2013, Peter macari took all of his secrets 761 00:45:35,170 --> 00:45:36,810 with him to the grave. 762 00:45:37,850 --> 00:45:40,170 He committed suicide without leaving a note. 763 00:45:40,210 --> 00:45:43,770 He left no clues and he made no admissions. 764 00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:46,650 He might have redeemed himself by helping police 765 00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:49,330 to bring Billy day home, but he chose not to. 766 00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:57,730 Still to come... 767 00:45:57,770 --> 00:46:00,250 Who are you? Call me mr brown. 768 00:46:00,290 --> 00:46:03,570 ..The business of being mr brown. 769 00:46:03,610 --> 00:46:05,290 They were offering US a million dollars! 770 00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:09,330 We thought, "we've turned into mr brown!" 771 00:46:15,210 --> 00:46:17,930 Peter macari, the famous qantas hoaxer, 772 00:46:17,970 --> 00:46:21,570 left a terrible trail of destruction wherever he went. 773 00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:25,650 He was an enigma, a man of riddles, 774 00:46:25,690 --> 00:46:28,970 and someone who left so many questions unanswered. 775 00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:33,610 Especially for the family of bill day. 776 00:46:37,410 --> 00:46:40,330 Macari took his secret to the grave. 777 00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:43,010 It's a family tragedy that's never gone away. 778 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:45,610 Yeah, and it's... 779 00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:49,930 Until mum passed away, 780 00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:53,730 I suppose it was always on her lips 781 00:46:53,770 --> 00:46:55,490 all the time. 782 00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:58,170 When something happened, it was bill's birthday 783 00:46:58,210 --> 00:47:00,610 or certain times of the year, 784 00:47:00,650 --> 00:47:02,690 that always came flooding back. 785 00:47:05,410 --> 00:47:07,930 You can't lose that. 786 00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:12,090 You still think he's alive? 787 00:47:12,130 --> 00:47:15,050 I'd like to think he's alive, more so than dead. 788 00:47:17,050 --> 00:47:19,010 If there's no body, 789 00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:20,970 there has to be a little bit of hope, I suppose. 790 00:47:22,290 --> 00:47:26,370 If Billy is still out there, and he does see this, 791 00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:28,450 what would be your message to him? 792 00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:32,010 I'd just say, "bill, I'd love to meet you. 793 00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:35,010 "I love you." It's been a long bloody time 794 00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:37,850 since I clapped eyes on him, 795 00:47:37,890 --> 00:47:39,770 and I'm sure the rest of the family 796 00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:42,370 would love to see him, but... 797 00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:45,890 If he don't want to see US, then that's fine. 798 00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:54,890 Is the file is still in a state, do you think, 799 00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:56,450 that if someone went back through it now 800 00:47:56,490 --> 00:47:59,570 and looked at the DNA evidence and so forth, 801 00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:01,810 do you think it's possible to take this forward again somehow? 802 00:48:01,850 --> 00:48:03,850 Yeah, I wouldn't see why not. 803 00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:07,770 DNA technology and other scientific means 804 00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:11,130 have advanced significantly since this investigation 805 00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:13,490 was undertaken in 1995. 806 00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:15,210 Like, it's 20 odd years ago. 807 00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:23,290 Bill's brother Trevor recently supplied his DNA 808 00:48:23,330 --> 00:48:25,890 to the police in the hope that they can use science 809 00:48:25,930 --> 00:48:27,970 to find out what really happened to Billy day 810 00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:30,250 and to bring closure to his family. 811 00:48:43,050 --> 00:48:44,810 Commonwealth police mascot, constable boyce speaking. 812 00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:47,290 Can I speak to the officer in charge? 813 00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:48,810 It's for you. 814 00:48:48,850 --> 00:48:50,290 Who is it? 815 00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:53,690 Who are you? Call me mr brown. 816 00:49:00,890 --> 00:49:04,930 Back in 1986, filmmaker Scott Hicks 817 00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:07,970 was facing closure of a different kind. 818 00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:11,010 During the final stages of production 819 00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:13,450 for 'call me mr brown,' 820 00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:16,610 qantas tried to block the movie's release. 821 00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:20,890 And they sent a delegation to south Australia 822 00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:23,290 to monster the premier of south Australia, 823 00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:24,330 then John bannon, 824 00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:26,130 and said to them, "you have to stop this film, 825 00:49:26,170 --> 00:49:27,610 "you've got to put a stop to it." 826 00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:30,010 And that is... On what grounds? 827 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:33,690 On the grounds that it was jeopardising aircraft security, 828 00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:36,650 which was exactly why we had tried to make sure 829 00:49:36,690 --> 00:49:38,370 that they would review it beforehand 830 00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:41,010 and make sure it didn't, but they were smartly reminded 831 00:49:41,050 --> 00:49:45,890 by the premier that this is a democracy. 832 00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:47,250 We have a thing called freedom of speech, 833 00:49:47,290 --> 00:49:50,410 and we're not in the habit of shutting films down. 834 00:49:52,450 --> 00:49:55,410 It's no good, we could be facing a major disaster. 835 00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:58,210 So their next move was to talk to US about possibly buying 836 00:49:58,250 --> 00:50:02,130 all the world rights to the movie so that they could Bury it. 837 00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:06,810 Finish packing and bring it to my office immediately. 838 00:50:06,850 --> 00:50:09,010 First time I've ever seen half a million in cash. 839 00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:13,130 And we thought, "we've turned into mr brown!" 840 00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:17,010 It was just... 841 00:50:17,050 --> 00:50:19,490 They were offering a bag of cash as they'd given to mr brown. 842 00:50:19,530 --> 00:50:20,770 They were offering US $1 million. 843 00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:23,370 He only got half a million, so, you know. 844 00:50:23,410 --> 00:50:28,050 In the end, qantas got their way by paying the broadcaster 845 00:50:28,090 --> 00:50:30,490 not to show the movie. 846 00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:32,810 Listen to me, you bastard, 847 00:50:32,850 --> 00:50:34,570 there's real-life money in these cases. 848 00:50:34,610 --> 00:50:36,970 Now you do your part and phone US back. 849 00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:42,450 True to their word, they buried the movie. 850 00:50:42,490 --> 00:50:45,050 To my knowledge, it's never been screened in Australia, 851 00:50:45,090 --> 00:50:48,090 so it really sort of disappeared without a trace, 852 00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:50,770 a bit like the rest of macari's money. 853 00:50:58,610 --> 00:51:01,730 There is the one intriguing aspect to the whole affair. 854 00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:04,370 There's still a quarter of $1 million outstanding 855 00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:05,410 of the extortion money 856 00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:07,330 that qantas paid to Peter macari. 857 00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:09,930 So, where did it go? 858 00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:14,170 He certainly told me his thoughts on where the money ended up. 859 00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:16,570 But... Where was that? 860 00:51:16,610 --> 00:51:18,770 He said the police got it. 861 00:51:22,050 --> 00:51:24,930 He survived jail here as an openly gay man 862 00:51:24,970 --> 00:51:28,410 in a very heavy jail and seems to do pretty well, 863 00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:30,410 thrives in there even. 864 00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:35,130 You wonder whether a little bit of money changed hands 865 00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:37,410 outside the walls to make sure that's happened. 866 00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:41,450 Is that a common practice? Yeah. Absolutely. 867 00:51:41,490 --> 00:51:43,690 Everyone in jail would have known who he was 868 00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:48,010 and everyone in jail would have known he had money somewhere. 869 00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:52,130 But there's no evidence that the police got it 870 00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:54,930 or prison officers got it or anyone else got it. 871 00:51:57,010 --> 00:52:00,530 Frank sorohan, the miner who supplied the gelignite 872 00:52:00,570 --> 00:52:03,810 for the replica bomb, spent time in a jail cell 873 00:52:03,850 --> 00:52:06,330 with macari and poynting. 874 00:52:07,610 --> 00:52:09,890 And what were the discussions in there? 875 00:52:09,930 --> 00:52:11,930 He told me a few things. 876 00:52:11,970 --> 00:52:18,410 He told me he had money hidden underwater at Sydney 877 00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:20,450 and stuff like that, 878 00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:24,410 but I think that was just a bullshit story. 879 00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:33,090 We speculate in the film there's a safe under the sea. 880 00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:38,410 Macari did buy scuba-diving gear in the midst of his 881 00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:40,570 orgy of spending, and a waterproof safe, 882 00:52:40,610 --> 00:52:43,090 so we thought logically, he probably secreted 883 00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:44,410 some money down there. 884 00:52:48,690 --> 00:52:50,450 Was he specific about it? 885 00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:53,210 Did he mention which cave, which beach? 886 00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:56,370 He did say but I can't remember. 887 00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:58,730 You can't remember, frank? Crikey! 888 00:52:58,770 --> 00:53:02,010 It's buried in Sydney. In Sydney? That's a big area! 889 00:53:02,050 --> 00:53:05,530 It's only little. 890 00:53:12,930 --> 00:53:16,010 Because it was never found. Well, yeah, 891 00:53:16,050 --> 00:53:19,130 they say it was never found. Who knows? 892 00:53:19,170 --> 00:53:20,890 It's a great mystery. 893 00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:23,090 Someone knows where that money is. 894 00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:25,210 Let's go! 71748

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