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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,180 My name's Roderick Gerald Noble, 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,120 and in 1963 I was 13. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,160 Perth was very quiet in those days. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Very well-off people lived here. 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,580 But it's a very small place. 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,000 Everyone knew everyone or seemed to know everyone. 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,020 Over this side, anyway, 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,380 this side of the river. 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,560 That's the Western Suburbs side. 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,860 Every backyard had an outside dunny. 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,620 Still works. It's a beauty. 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,700 Everyone had buffalo grass and the Hill's Hoist clothesline. 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,980 And they'd spin you around while you were swinging off it. 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,600 Kids lived out here, basically. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,140 We had a fabulous life. 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,680 We were footloose and fancy free. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,220 And all of a sudden, 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,660 there was the body on the back lawn. 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,760 (DRAMATIC MUSIC BUILDS) 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,780 It was like it happened yesterday. 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,500 Even now, I can see that backyard. 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,600 I can see the body. 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Still today, I have trouble sleeping. 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,280 This thing will never go away. 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,860 (THEME MUSIC) 26 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:35,980 So you run, run, run 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,760 From everything you are 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,280 And you're lost 29 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,240 With every scar 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,060 And you say my name like it's a game 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,800 But you can't hide 32 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,000 I see you there 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,520 Behind the lies 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,020 You'll never know the pain 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,660 Comes and goes in waves 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,260 That cannot be erased 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,340 We've only been through it 38 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:21,440 Long enough to remember the price we paid. 39 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,960 (PIANO PLAYS) 40 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:43,840 - Perth was blown apart by a major, major crime wave in 1963, 41 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,080 especially within the Western Suburbs. 42 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,180 It shattered our world, 43 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:51,340 shattered my world. 44 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,260 It shattered everybody's world. 45 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,080 Perth changed forever, instantly. 46 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,220 The police were right onto it, of course. 47 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,580 Daryl Beamish was locked up for life 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,900 for the hatchet murder of Jillian Brewer. 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,640 John Button was in jail for running down Rosemary Anderson. 50 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,880 And now we had the shooter for Shirley McLeod. 51 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,480 It was Eric Edgar Cooke. 52 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,340 REPORTER: Perth was numb in September '63. 53 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,700 The cruel killer who'd terrorised us for most of the year 54 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,620 was a truck driver with seven kids. 55 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,260 - It was a great relief that 56 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,640 the police were getting on top of things. 57 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,460 Although we were all aware 58 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,700 that the killer responsible for the shootings on Australia Day 59 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,800 was still at large. 60 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,700 But there was a twist. 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,660 My police section... 62 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,460 I was yet to discover that the good work of the police 63 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,460 was far from good. 64 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,700 John Button was completely innocent. 65 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,960 This is a cover up by the police. 66 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,580 Once police had confirmed that Cooke had shot Shirley McLeod, 67 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,980 they started to think that he might be behind 68 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,080 the Australia Day shootings. 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,620 They all had a similarity. 70 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,980 The victims had all been shot accurately in the forehead 71 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,080 with a .22 calibre rifle. 72 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,300 It was so certain to police he was the one, 73 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,180 but they had no evidence. 74 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:22,180 So they had to find the murder weapon, 75 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:26,480 because the gun was different from the one used to kill Shirley McLeod. 76 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,220 - But Cookie wouldn't talk to them. 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,880 So that was where I come in the picture. 78 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,640 I was down the football club on my only day off. (LAUGHS) 79 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:48,500 Inspector Lamb, he said, 'We dearly want a cough,' 80 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,940 meaning admitting. 81 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,480 I said, 'Well, OK.' 82 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,660 So I went down and saw Cookie, 83 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,460 and he did the old trick. 84 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,060 'No, not me, Mr Baker. Not me, not me.' 85 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,500 'Yes, it is you.' 86 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,200 So we put him in the car and drove around. 87 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,220 Nedlands, West Perth, 88 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,320 everywhere. 89 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,860 - So they took him on a tour of the Western Suburbs, 90 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,940 where the Australia Day shootings took place, 91 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,060 hoping to prompt a confession. 92 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,340 But instead, he just took them to lots of houses 93 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,100 where he confessed to a variety of thefts, 94 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,340 some peeping Tom crimes, stealing cars. 95 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,620 There were so many. 96 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,900 You could pretty well say that in those days 97 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,540 if you caught somebody in your backyard or looking in your window, 98 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,640 it was most likely Cooke. 99 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,080 But that wasn't what they wanted. 100 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,940 - What I was doing is seeing how he reacted to everyone 101 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,040 that we went past. 102 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,800 You know, you'd say, 'How about that one, eh?' 103 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,640 And he'd say, 'No, no, not that one.' 104 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,080 But he was a person that'll tell lies. 105 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,900 We stopped at the Albion Hotel 106 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,680 and bought him some curried chicken and rice. 107 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:05,700 As we sat there, 108 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,300 I thought, 'Oh jeez, I've had enough of this.' 109 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,620 'He's never said a bloody word to me, 110 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,720 so I've gotta get it from him.' 111 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,700 Now it's in the report. 112 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,420 And I said, 'Hey Cookie, you're going to hang.' 113 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,820 'There's not much doubt about that.' 114 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,300 'Now think about your wife and kids. 115 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,900 Are you going to be dragged to the gallows like a mongrel dog 116 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,260 or are you gonna go like a man?' 117 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,860 And he actually hit the right spot, 118 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,760 because Cooke was very fond of his family. 119 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,060 - Spluttering his curried chicken, he said, 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,140 'Mr Baker, what do you want to know?' 121 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,560 I said, 'Did you shoot George Walmsley and the others that night?' 122 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,380 Cookie said, 'Yes, I'm the bloke you're looking for.' 123 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,480 'What happens now?' 124 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,100 - And so then Cooke himself 125 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,080 told the police how he did everything. 126 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:37,340 - I think I want a drink. 127 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,440 - I think I'm thirsty. - I'll get it off, don't worry. 128 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,380 - There's the Narrows Bridge, 129 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,740 and he was there with the detectives. 130 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,060 Cooke had a great memory, 131 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,220 and he could remember that he threw it from light pole number 324 132 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,940 with an over arm motion. 133 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,040 (PIANO PLAYS) 134 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,460 And there it is. 135 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:58,180 That rifle that Cooke had stolen and used on Australia Day 136 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,840 was still there in ten centimetres of silt. 137 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,980 After all those years of hunting for Cooke and getting the pressure, 138 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,080 quite a trophy. 139 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,820 - Understandably, it was a terrific relief, 140 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,900 not only to members of the public, 141 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,080 but also naturally, of course, to the police. 142 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,600 - Oh yes, great jubilation, for everybody. 143 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,460 - For the first time, I felt relief. 144 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:31,560 People just breathed out. 145 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,300 - But Cooke, once he started confessing, 146 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,400 he didn't stop. 147 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,360 - Dad held a party. 148 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,040 My sisters had friends staying there that night, 149 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,240 and it went on quite a while. 150 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,220 At the end of it, 151 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,780 Dad used to throw whisky bottles and plates on the back lawn 152 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,880 and wash them out. 153 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,540 We got up early. 154 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,500 Dad used to go to the beach every morning, 155 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,540 and often I'd go with him. 156 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,180 And I went to the toilet, 157 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,280 right at the back of the yard. 158 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,100 Opened the door, like that. 159 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,200 Mum was behind me. 160 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,720 And down on the grass was a body. 161 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,260 She was nude. 162 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,360 I thought it was one of my sisters. 163 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,600 She had the whisky bottle from the party under an arm. 164 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,440 My mum started calling out and found out all the girls were safe. 165 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,540 And then I thought, 'She's dead.' 166 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,640 (PIANO PLAYS) 167 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,520 I just thought, 'She's dead.' 168 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,840 It was Constance Lucy Madrill. 169 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,200 She was a lovely girl. 170 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,500 We played cricket in that laneway all the time. 171 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,540 We used to hit the ball into her backyard often, 172 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,640 and she used to throw the ball back. 173 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:25,500 During the night, 174 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,100 he strangled her with the bed flex of a Bakelite lamp 175 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,340 that was on the bed. 176 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,440 He dragged her through the house. 177 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,920 Had sex with her outside, on the back lawn. 178 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,660 And dragged her into our backyard and put her on our back lawn. 179 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,760 (TENSE MUSIC) 180 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,020 Dad rang the police. 181 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,220 They came down the laneway. 182 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,660 They must have been shattered when they saw it. 183 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,760 Really shattered. 184 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,040 - Oh, it was shocking. 185 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,540 Everything was investigated, 186 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,940 the city, the suburb and country, 187 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,100 everywhere, 188 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,060 with no days off. 189 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,600 We were full up, right up to there. 190 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,620 - And all of a sudden there were 191 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,740 Criminal Investigation Bureau everywhere. 192 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,980 They took over our house as headquarters. 193 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,500 They thought he'd come back because this one was strangled, 194 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,600 and all the others were shot. 195 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,700 At the time I just felt awful. 196 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,700 I just thought, 'I wish they'd catch him. 197 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,540 I wish it was over and done with.' 198 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,100 INTERVIEWER: Do you think it was associated 199 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,820 with the other crimes at the time? 200 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,340 Definitely not, 201 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,420 because she wasn't shot, 202 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,460 and he shot every other one. 203 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:56,540 I couldn't believe it. 204 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:57,580 - Really? 205 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,660 I couldn't believe it. 206 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,420 - The police hadn't linked 207 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,900 Lucy Madrill's strangling with the shooter. 208 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,780 They were looking for a shooter and a strangler. 209 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,740 Cooke's confession to the Madrill killing 210 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,780 was a huge shock to the police. 211 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,020 They took Cooke to the Madrill property 212 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,180 and he walked them through again in minute detail. 213 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,260 He'd strangled her with the cord of her own lamp. 214 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,260 He'd dragged to the back garden of the house behind. 215 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,780 These details hadn't been reported in the paper, 216 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,880 so they had to accept this confession. 217 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,740 What a shock. 218 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,080 The shooter and the strangler was one and the same. 219 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,520 - How do you feel toward him? 220 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,360 Bitter. 221 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,840 Yeah, very bitter. 222 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,560 My whole life changed, from that morning. 223 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,420 There's no counselling, no therapy. 224 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,900 I've never talked about it like this before. 225 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 - Really? - Yeah. 226 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,040 Still today, I don't know why he did that. 227 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,400 Then, there was another completely unexpected turn. 228 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,820 Cooke started confessing to murders 229 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,900 that other people had already been named as responsible for. 230 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,780 Pnina Berkman and Jillian Brewer. 231 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,900 The police were convinced that Pnina Berkman's boyfriend, 232 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,340 who had fled back to Greece, 233 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,020 was responsible for her murder. 234 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,180 And Jillian Brewer, 235 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,500 they already had their man. 236 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,660 They had that odd 19-year-old, Daryl Beamish. 237 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,760 They had him put away for life. 238 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,160 And then he confessed to running down Rosemary Anderson. 239 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,060 - When Eric Edgar Cooke confessed to running down Rosemary, 240 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,660 this was the first time that something gave me hope 241 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,760 to be released. 242 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,120 I would have been able to maybe put the pieces back together again. 243 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,460 - John did not do it. 244 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,560 Thank God someone has come forward to admit. 245 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:07,740 - My father, Ken Hatfield, 246 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,220 went to visit Button in prison 247 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,220 and told him he wanted to get the appeal 248 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,240 to prove that John was innocent. 249 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,920 - I was just waiting for someone to come and release me. 250 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,560 But that is not what happened. 251 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:27,740 - The police, they had to investigate everything. 252 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,500 So they took Cooke to Stubbs Terrace, 253 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,600 where Rosemary was run down. 254 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:34,820 They took him there and said, 255 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,720 'Alright, Cookie, you tell us all the details.' 256 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,780 And he did. 257 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,260 So he's showing the detectives 258 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:45,740 where he first saw her walking along the road, 259 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,840 where he did a U-turn, 260 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,520 where he came back behind her, 261 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,720 and where he hit her. 262 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,620 But the location Cooke pointed to where Rosemary was struck 263 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,760 was out by a few metres. 264 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,800 She was lying in the sand further on than he'd said. 265 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,640 - But he also said on the record he had stolen a car that night. 266 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,460 He said that after he'd hit Rosemary and damaged the car, 267 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,780 he drove it to Kings Park and smashed it into a tree 268 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,240 to disguise the damage. 269 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 - So they took him to the tree. 270 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,420 Wrong tree. 271 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,620 The one that he pointed out was three or four trees away 272 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,720 from where that Holden had been found. 273 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,820 - He had a bloody good memory, 274 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,620 and his memory let him down on that one. 275 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,000 So they knocked him out of that one. 276 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,920 He was found out telling lies. 277 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,460 - The police, they wouldn't believe him. 278 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,020 The man they thought had done the killing, 279 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,320 John Button, was locked up in jail. 280 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,620 - Cooke thought he was going to be executed, 281 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,620 and it was my belief that he was extending time, 282 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,700 causing us investigations and the court proceedings 283 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,780 and that sort of thing, 284 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,560 to delay and spar for time. 285 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,220 - They were certain Cooke was lying about Rosemary Anderson. 286 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,260 They said, 'Cookie, you're lying. You didn't do this.' 287 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,540 So he retracted that confession. 288 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,940 He confessed to Rosemary Anderson in the morning, 289 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,340 and he retracted it in the afternoon, 290 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,880 and he apologised for taking up their time. 291 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,580 - I was devastated. 292 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,320 Our last chance of getting that appeal were dashed. 293 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,540 - In those days, punishment for murder 294 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,640 was capital punishment. 295 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,240 And the community was very upset. 296 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,940 He's a vicious and violent murderer, 297 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,980 and he doesn't deserve any sympathy from anybody whatsoever. 298 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,700 - He's caused so much unhappiness and sorrow to people. 299 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,860 They shouldn't waste money on trialling him or nothing, 300 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,620 a man'll do what he done. 301 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,860 I think he should definitely hang. 302 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,460 Until he is hung, 303 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,260 the book can't be closed. 304 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,360 (GAVEL BANGS) 305 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,020 - At the time, 306 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,740 people they wondered, you know, 307 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,260 what the motivation might have been. 308 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:43,560 Was it somebody taking revenge on middle-class people, for example? 309 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,340 - The fact that he would come over to Nedlands, 310 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,560 and they were all people around this area that he murdered. 311 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,640 He had a harelip and a cleft palate and would have felt inferior. 312 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,980 INTERVIEWER: People in this part of town, 313 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,060 are they inclusive of people like... 314 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,720 No, that was all in his head, I'm sure. 315 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,820 - I think he'd gone through his life feeling pushed aside 316 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,940 because of that disfigurement, 317 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,140 and it had created a terrible, terrible blind rage in him. 318 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,900 And somehow, 319 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,740 he took it out on society at large. 320 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,020 He had a... 321 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:25,240 a white-hot sort of revenge on society. 322 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,180 - Do you think he was proud of what he did? 323 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,500 - I believe he was. 324 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,680 It seemed to give him a great feeling of self-importance. 325 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,520 - The court found Cooke guilty, 326 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,020 And he was sentenced to death. 327 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:45,780 I remember to this day it was 1964. 328 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,340 I think it was in the October, 329 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,500 and everyone knew he was going to be hanged that day. 330 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,940 We were sitting outside, 331 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,860 waiting to go into classes. 332 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,060 Come 8 o'clock that morning, 333 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,160 we sat silently, 334 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,860 thinking about what was happening 335 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,480 a few kilometres down the road at Fremantle Prison. 336 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,020 I was on tenterhooks. 337 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:13,120 (TENSE MUSIC) 338 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,860 - But then, on the morning of Cooke's execution, 339 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,140 he was in the punishment cells behind the gallows. 340 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,300 He voluntarily took the Bible out of the Minister's hand, 341 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,260 and holding it, said 342 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,420 'I swear before Almighty God, 343 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,880 I did kill Brewer and Anderson.' 344 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,400 - And a minute later they hanged him, 345 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,800 and he was gone. 346 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,060 I was thrilled. 347 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,020 It was a relief. 348 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,780 I know Mum and Dad were very relieved. 349 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,740 - I knew there was something wrong about this. 350 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,260 I knew there was something terribly wrong about this. 351 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:55,980 It happened in all the films. 352 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,460 The good guys won. 353 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,340 The baddies died. 354 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,500 But I just seemed to think even then, 355 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,100 there was something going wrong, 356 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,200 something I didn't agree with. 357 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:16,900 - After five years, 358 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,220 I got parole, 359 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:24,000 so I got released from prison late December 1967. 360 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,780 I came out believing I was going to hang around with the mates 361 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,880 I used to hang around with before. 362 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,880 But friends dropped off. 363 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,940 They obviously believed that I was guilty, 364 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,020 and that hurt. 365 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,180 It wasn't a very good moment. 366 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,500 - The hurt, thinking all these people, 367 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,580 they don't believe me, still. 368 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,540 Think the hurt of Jack and Joan Anderson, 369 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,780 the parents of Rosemary Anderson, 370 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,160 still not believing in him. 371 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,980 You must think of it all the time. 372 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,340 Why? Why can't they believe me? 373 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,100 - And all of a sudden, 374 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,020 this life that I'd yearned for for so long 375 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,020 was just a myth. 376 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:12,700 And I think it was at that point that I lost all hope, 377 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,760 and I started falling into deep depression. 378 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,820 Certainly growing up, 379 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,540 I was very clear in my awareness 380 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,300 that my dad was a criminal 381 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,960 and served time in prison for manslaughter. 382 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,740 When I was ten, eleven years of age, 383 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,340 I remember driving up this road with my parents 384 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,340 and my mum made a passing comment to my dad. 385 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,980 'John, there's your old home.' 386 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,220 I looked up at that looming limestone wall, 387 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,940 and as a ten-year-old, it really sunk in. 388 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,860 My dad had lived the other side of that wall 389 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,700 for a period of time. 390 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,700 I guess that was the moment when the enormity, 391 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,940 the deep sadness and the pain of what my dad had experienced 392 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,040 started to take hold of me. 393 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,740 As I was growing, 394 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:26,280 I noticed my father was still imprisoned emotionally within. 395 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,500 I think I started to take on my dad's fight. 396 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,300 It was so important for him, 397 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,440 and that was therefore so important for me. 398 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,140 I believed my father was innocent, 399 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,280 but now we need proof that he was innocent. 400 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,880 - And then I come into the picture. 401 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,140 As fate would have it, 402 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,420 I met John Button's brother Jim 403 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,340 at a dance soon after. 404 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,460 That's me dancing with Jim Button, in fact. 405 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,940 (LAUGHTER) 406 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,040 I love dancing. 407 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,380 Jim told me his brother had served time in prison 408 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,600 for a murder that Cooke said he did. 409 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,500 Well, I did not believe him, 410 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,340 but I believed in the justice system. 411 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,980 I believed in the police. 412 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,500 But I'm a nosy journo. 413 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,600 I was curious. 414 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,380 - I remember the phone rang, 415 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,060 and it was my Uncle Jim. 416 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,900 He had met this woman who was an investigative journalist. 417 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,940 She was really keen to meet my dad. 418 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,020 So I got some time alone with John, then, 419 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,120 who told me his story. 420 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,200 I was pretty intrigued by the story, 421 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,980 and I wondered what was there in the police files 422 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,800 about Eric Edgar Cooke and John Button. 423 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,340 And through my government networks as a press secretary, 424 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,220 I was able to access all the Cooke and Button files 425 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,820 that hadn't been public 426 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,120 and had just been archived all those decades. 427 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,220 This is the transcript of Button's trial, 428 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,860 right back in 1963. 429 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,220 I arrive at the police files, the record section, 430 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,560 not knowing what I'd find. 431 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,220 If anything, I thought 432 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,340 I would find something that would find John Button guilty. 433 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,980 (READING) Very seldom locked the door... 434 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,780 But after a couple of days, 435 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,920 I found something really extraordinary. 436 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,220 Confessions that Cooke made 437 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,700 that the police didn't make public at the time. 438 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,920 Why would they keep them quiet? 439 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,560 That's Cooke's handwriting. 440 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,040 There were boxes of them. 441 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,100 And in those confessions, 442 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,100 I found his confessions to other violent crimes, 443 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,580 other hit runs against women. 444 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,680 (TENSE MUSIC) 445 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,680 Well who were these women? 446 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480 I had to track them down. 447 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,060 It's really interesting to go through it with you. 448 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,220 Among all his confessions, 449 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,320 I found Glenys Peak. 450 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,820 I'm walking down here, minding me own business. 451 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920 I heard this car start up. 452 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,040 I got to about here, when I heard the car rev up. 453 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,020 I thought, 'Oh my God, he's going to hit me.' 454 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,540 And then all hell broke loose. 455 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,220 One minute he was coming down the road, 456 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,320 the next minute I'm flying through the air. 457 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,580 And all I could think of was, 458 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,220 'I've got to get home. I've gotta get home.' 459 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,460 I kept screaming that he was coming for me. 460 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,700 He's coming for me. 461 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:39,900 Then I got the ambulance, 462 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,040 and they took me to Perth, to the hospital. 463 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,780 The next day, I could not be in the house on my own. 464 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,580 I was absolutely scared stiff that he was going to come back. 465 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,200 I still cannot walk on the side of the road. 466 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,060 - This was the same as Rosemary Anderson. 467 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,420 A woman walking along a dark street, 468 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,820 late at night on her own. 469 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,540 The MO was exactly the same. 470 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,640 And then I discovered more. 471 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,660 - It was raining quite heavily, 472 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,580 and luckily, we'd brought our umbrellas. 473 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,300 - Yeah. - And we turned 474 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,860 and we heard this car roaring, 475 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,900 headed straight for us. 476 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000 I said, 'Look out!' 477 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,300 Maureen was hit 478 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,780 and carried on the bonnet of the car, 479 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,340 'till when he turned left at Cross Street, 480 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,180 and then she rolled off. 481 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,160 Georgina was hit to the side. 482 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,340 I had blood everywhere. 483 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,540 My back was gashed open, 484 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,740 and my head. 485 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,940 - I just ran because I thought, 486 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,300 'He's going to come back and get me, 487 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,800 'cause he knows that he didn't get me.' 488 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,180 I had to sleep with my parents for a long time, 489 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,660 because I was scared. 490 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,900 - Just scared. 491 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,700 Cooke had confessed to this, 492 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,300 where he stole the car, 493 00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,620 where he saw the women, 494 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,060 where he ran them down, 495 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,140 and where he abandoned the car. 496 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,860 And at the bottom, 497 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,660 it was stated that the police and the Crown 498 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,000 accepted those confessions as correct. 499 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,140 Well if Cooke did do these five other hit runs 500 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,620 and the police and the Crown, the state, accepted them, 501 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,800 then hang on. 502 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,780 That's what really got me going 503 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,180 and pursuing this story very strongly, 504 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,180 because I believe the cover-up of the other hit and runs was that, 505 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,540 had we people of Perth at the time known 506 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,100 that that was an MO of Cooke's, 507 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,020 that he did it on five other occasions, 508 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,600 we would have been much more open to John Button's pleas of innocence. 509 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,820 All it could be was 510 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,140 that if this showed that Cooke was the killer of Rosemary Anderson, 511 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,920 it would prove that they had the wrong person in prison. 512 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,060 - Estelle came around to share with my parents 513 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,220 that she had discovered a confession 514 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,140 of other hit and runs that he had done. 515 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,940 - She told me in the police files there was a single page 516 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,220 of five other accidents 517 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,620 where Eric Cooke was involved in running down females, 518 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,860 which showed that Eric Cooke's modus operandi 519 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,960 was identical to what happened to Rosemary. 520 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,240 - It was a pretty overwhelming moment. 521 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,500 There was this energy for my mum 522 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,260 and my brother and myself and my dad of, 523 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,900 'We've got this, you know. 524 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,420 We... This is... 525 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:43,520 This is the time to really clear my dad's name.' 526 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,740 - It gave me hope that one day I'd be able to get back 527 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,000 into living again. 528 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,760 But there was still a big problem. 529 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,960 John had confessed to killing Rosemary. 530 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,320 We believed that if he confessed to the crime, he must be guilty. 531 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,780 I began to reappraise the evidence 532 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,140 and wondered if there was truth to the claims 533 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,140 that he confessed under duress. 534 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,820 I began to interview the police. 535 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,740 One most interesting one I did was with Detective Sergeant Max Baker. 536 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,300 He said, 'Things happen that you wouldn't read about. 537 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,620 You might persuade the fellow with a couple of rib-ticklers, 538 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,980 such as that would be far better if he told the truth. (LAUGHS)' 539 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,460 He was laughing through this. 540 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,500 'And that's where you went out of bounds.' 541 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,600 He told me this. 542 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,260 - I do have a habit of hunches. 543 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,980 I've put numerous people in jail for ... 544 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,260 One reason, I didn't believe what he was saying, 545 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,700 and I kept at it. 546 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,220 If you think that they're still guilty, 547 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,740 you go to the boss and say, 548 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,220 'Look, they've all said no. I reckon it's yes.' 549 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,020 'Well Max, if you think that they're still guilty, go and have a go.' 550 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,240 'Don't give up, just ... just try again.' 551 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,400 - This confirms to me they knew they'd got an innocent man. 552 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,660 After that for me, everything changed. 553 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,260 I knew John Button was innocent, 554 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,360 and I needed him proved innocent. 555 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,980 Being part of the community, 556 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,240 how could we allow this to happen? 557 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,060 I really felt I needed to take responsibility 558 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,180 and do something to make a difference. 559 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,420 I didn't think it was right that John Button 560 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,300 should go through the rest of his life as a murderer. 561 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,340 I really wanted to get him a new appeal. 562 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,440 There's justice to expose. 563 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,100 I wrote a book about Cooke, 564 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,320 the life and crimes of Cooke that were never known before. 565 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,320 We published it. 566 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,660 Couple of weeks later, 567 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,000 the Attorney General granted a new appeal. 568 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,040 Wow, we had a new appeal for John Button. 569 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,420 - I saw that hope reignite for my dad. 570 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,300 This is the time that someone's going to take responsibility 571 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,720 for what happened to my dad. 572 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,060 - But I was very nervous 573 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,560 about whether we had enough fresh evidence to win. 574 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,180 REPORTER: John Button spent five years in jail 575 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,020 for killing his teenage girlfriend, Rosemary Anderson. 576 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,820 37 years later, he's won the right to a second appeal. 577 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,100 But the struggle to clear his name is far from over. 578 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,180 Today, the DPP argued that Eric Cooke's confessions 579 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,660 aren't proof. 580 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,660 The Crown are entitled to insist on strict proof of these matters, 581 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,760 and we'll prove them. 582 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,460 - We published Estelle's book in The Post newspapers. 583 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,660 Her book was a masterpiece of research. 584 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,740 That was that incredible photo of Eric Cooke in front of his car. 585 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,900 I'd met John, 586 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,020 and he certainly didn't seem like the sort of person 587 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,220 who was capable of killing someone deliberately. 588 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,420 Accident scene... 589 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,060 Or even losing his temper enough to accidentally kill them. 590 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,220 Amazing stuff. 591 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,320 His story seemed to stack up. 592 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,960 - And this was where I lived. 593 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,780 - But the fresh evidence of the other hit runs... 594 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,820 - This fence wasn't there. 595 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,940 - That was important, but it was not proof 596 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,220 that Cooke in fact was driving the car 597 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,300 that killed Rosemary Anderson. 598 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,860 - It was all... this was all open. 599 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,060 - That's not evidence. 600 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,160 I mean, belief is not proof. 601 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,620 I reckon that the answer to solving all crimes 602 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,720 always lies in the science. 603 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,220 So then I went searching for someone who knew all about 604 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,780 car versus pedestrian crashes, 605 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,340 the science of it, 606 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,580 and I tracked this fellow down in the United States, 607 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,060 a bloke called Rusty Haight. 608 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,600 I paid his fare to come out here and run some crash tests. 609 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,420 I said to Rusty, 610 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,380 'I don't want you to come here to prove John innocent.' 611 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,580 'I want you to come and prove the truth.' 612 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,260 'If these tests show John is guilty, well so be it.' 613 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,360 (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC) 614 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,420 I remember my parents and I heading down to the Claremont Showgrounds 615 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,980 for this test to be conducted. 616 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,460 Bret sourced cars to be used. 617 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,620 - Four Simcas, and the Simca was the car that was owned by John Button. 618 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,620 And I also bought a 1961 Holden. 619 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,380 Now that was the car that Eric Cooke said he had hit Rosemary with. 620 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,740 - Rusty brought his own mannequins and equipment needed. 621 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,820 - The crash test dummy was the same size as Rosemary Anderson. 622 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,540 Weight is actually not material, 623 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,380 but roughly the same height is important, 624 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,580 because humans have a high centre of gravity, 625 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,180 and if they're struck by a car, 626 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,980 they tend to wrap around the front of the car 627 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,520 because most of the weight is above. 628 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,540 This was a really huge moment, and I think at that time, 629 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,460 we were all caught up in the excitement of possibility. 630 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,900 - There you go. Alright, now. 631 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,780 Go ahead and give her a... Whoa, whoa, slowly, slowly. 632 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,020 - The tests, they were going to show 633 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,140 whether John was a liar and a killer, 634 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,500 or whether he was totally innocent. 635 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,100 I felt pretty anxious, yeah. 636 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,200 That's probably good. 637 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,660 Prisons are full of people who never did it, 638 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,100 according to them. 639 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,540 So when John Button and his case 640 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,100 was referred to the Court of Criminal Appeal, 641 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,320 there was shock, outrage and fear among the general community. 642 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,780 I couldn't believe it. 643 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,240 I thought no judge could be so stupid. 644 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,300 John Button, he had signed a confession. 645 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,740 If he'd signed it, 646 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,860 we had to accept it as being the case. 647 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,140 The confession was real, yeah. 648 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,300 And they had got to it in a trustworthy way. 649 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,020 It was a shock. 650 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,260 You confess to the crime, you've done it. 651 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,340 You don't confess to a crime you haven't done. 652 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,900 That's the way we thought at the time. 653 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,980 REPORTER: There's been appeals and counter-appeals. 654 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,460 John Button even took his case to the High Court, 655 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,500 but it failed. 656 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,300 Now it's his last chance, 657 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,780 the result of journalist Estelle Blackburn 658 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,420 uncovering startling new evidence. 659 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,220 - We had the whole State against us, 660 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,780 A Director of Public Prosecutions with a whole team 661 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,520 working against us volunteers. 662 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,500 - But of course, that was just going to be the start of it. 663 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,600 We'd need to get three judges over the line. 664 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,440 Very difficult when there's existing conviction. 665 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,020 - Court of Criminal Appeal Matter number 122 of 2000, 666 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,120 Button against the Queen. 667 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,460 - The Crown fought us every step of the way. 668 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,820 I've never fought a case as hard as I had to fight that one, 669 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,800 because there was no cooperation from the prosecution at all. 670 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:01,720 Yes, may it please the court, I appear ... 671 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,100 The fresh evidence 672 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,460 is put through the hoops, if you like, 673 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:12,000 and only submitted if it is found to have cogency. 674 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,940 These are copies of the photographs that were given to the judges. 675 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,780 These were the undamaged cars, 676 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,400 showing the vehicles prior to the tests. 677 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,740 We built a gallows contraption to suspend the dummy, 678 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,420 and Rusty drove the three Simcas at the dummy 679 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,520 at three different speeds. 680 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,340 He wanted to assess whether you'd sustain any damage 681 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,780 to the front of the car, 682 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,460 if you hit a lifelike dummy at the speed 683 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,960 that the police said John Button hit Rosemary. 684 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,460 And it was an absolutely graphic representation 685 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,980 of what had happened to her. 686 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,020 It was horrible. 687 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,420 It was really quite... very, very sickening, 688 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,140 for all of us, but for John, 689 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,240 it was a nightmare come true. 690 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,780 You start thinking that's the way it actually was. 691 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,880 That's the way it actually happened. 692 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,940 I was devastated. 693 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,820 All I could think of was her being hurt. 694 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,100 It's the only thing that went through my mind. 695 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,740 - You'll see that massive amount of damage there, 696 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,460 and damage to the leading edge there, 697 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,740 which is not evident on the police photographs 698 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,820 of John Button's car. 699 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,020 It's probably clearest in that photograph there. 700 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,860 See the line of the ... all the bonnet's completely crushed. 701 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,740 INTERVIEWER: Does that mean that if John Button's car 702 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,900 had have hit Rosemary ... 703 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000 That would have happened to it. 704 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,980 So it's clear and obvious that John Button's car 705 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,820 could not have hit Rosemary, 706 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,220 because that would have been the damage to his car, 707 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,940 especially had he hit her hard enough to kill her. 708 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,880 That is the... That is the really salient point. 709 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,980 - In every case with the Simca, 710 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,580 there was no damage to the front of the car. 711 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,340 The whole damage was to a massive dent in the bonnet. 712 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,780 - These Supreme Court judges were told that Eric Cooke 713 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,620 not only confessed to killing Rosemary Anderson, 714 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:16,740 he gave precise details about how he ran her down in a stolen car 715 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,000 that he later crashed in Kings Park. 716 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,820 - I thought it was a big volume of evidence for John, 717 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,860 but to buttress that, 718 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,940 he then went and got a car of the same type 719 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,220 that Cooke we know was driving that night, 720 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,740 a Holden, 721 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,400 and conducted the same sort of tests. 722 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,020 - Cooke's confession to Rosemary Anderson's murder 723 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,820 was that she'd gone up on the bonnet, 724 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,300 that she had come up under the sun visor on that old Holden, 725 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,760 and then rolled off onto the side of the road. 726 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,380 - So Rusty drove this Holden 727 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,260 at the speed Eric Cooke said he was travelling, 728 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,980 about thirty-five miles an hour, 729 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,920 and it hit the dummy at high speed. 730 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,380 This is a picture showing the Holden hitting the dummy 731 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,420 and the dummy cartwheeling over the front of the car. 732 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,700 You can see the head contacting the bonnet 733 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,400 and contacting the sun visor there. 734 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,980 - I think the reason the police refused to believe Eric Cooke 735 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,620 was that it had a sun visor, 736 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,500 and if a body hits and gets caught under the sun visor, 737 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,940 it would rip the sun visor off. 738 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,900 - Here it is leaving the sun visor, 739 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,460 and the sun visor popping back into place, 740 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,060 and not even cracking the paint on the sun visor, 741 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,460 let alone ripping it off or damaging it. 742 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,740 The police report said that Rosemary's body 743 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,060 had been displaced well off the side of the road, 744 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,820 two to three metres in fact. 745 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,980 When Rusty hit the dummy with the Simca, 746 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,340 there was no displacement or anything like that. 747 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,660 It just sort of rolled up onto the front of the car, 748 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,460 but then just sort of rolled off. 749 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,940 Whereas with the Holden, 750 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,620 it was the same as Cooke's description of it, 751 00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:53,720 and the police report. 752 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,460 - We knew a decision was to be delivered, 753 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,820 and the build-up to that 754 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,620 was a really powerful moment. 755 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,860 - Silence in court. Please stand. 756 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,740 You always have these very nervous moments before verdict. 757 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,420 We all rose to receive the court. 758 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,020 However, the Chief Justice, 759 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,300 he read a twenty-minute spiel about it. 760 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,620 - All of this material needs to be considered 761 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,620 against the background of Mr Button's youth at the time. 762 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,260 - One minute you thought, 'We're gone.' 763 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,340 The next minute you think, 'We're getting up on this.' 764 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,900 And the next minute you think, 765 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,500 'They've got a problem with this.' 766 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,220 Similar fact evidence points directly to the likelihood ... 767 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,420 - You never know. 768 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,900 Sometimes you have verdicts go the wrong way. 769 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,660 INTERVIEWER: What were you feeling at that point? 770 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,760 Pretty sick. 771 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,180 Very nerve-wracking. 772 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,940 We had to sit there for thirty minutes, 773 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,380 listening to him give the facts of the case and ah-di-dah. 774 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,740 - Whether the appellant's Simca motor vehicle was involved 775 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,840 in running down Ms Anderson... 776 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,860 - I remember holding my dad's hand. 777 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,800 My mum sat holding his hand as well. 778 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,880 And it was intense as we waited. 779 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,220 - I have concluded that the evidence of Mr Haight 780 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,760 is sufficient to raise a reasonable doubt. 781 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,540 All combine to lead me to the conclusion 782 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,660 that the verdict must be regarded as unsafe and unsatisfactory 783 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,940 on the grounds... 784 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,040 (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) 785 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,540 ..on the ground that there has been a miscarriage of justice. 786 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,640 (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC) 787 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,500 - My dad didn't do it. 788 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,520 This is proof that others can see and know as well. 789 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:04,560 And it was just this most amazing and delightful relief. 790 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,060 REPORTER: John Button finally had his day in court 791 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,580 and made legal history after nearly forty years 792 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,500 of fighting to clear his name. 793 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,020 - It was amazing. 794 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,500 It was a wonderful moment. 795 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,380 - Oh, relief, vindication. 796 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,780 Finally we've got there. 797 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,060 - We were able to prove that Button didn't kill this girl 798 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,460 and that Cooke, beyond almost any doubt, did so. 799 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,020 We were over the moon. 800 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,740 Oh, Rusty. 801 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,220 Oh, it's been absolutely unbelievable. 802 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,820 It's a wonderful time over here. 803 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,380 I just wanted to savour the moment. 804 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,220 I was freed, finally. 805 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,060 Exonerated. 806 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,160 Completely freed. 807 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,400 I... I knew life was going to be different again. 808 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,900 - After John Button's appeal, I was exhausted. 809 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,420 But I was really pleased to know 810 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,520 that my research had helped clear his name. 811 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,340 But I couldn't shake from my mind 812 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,100 the appalling way the police had treated John, 813 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,940 and I had this nagging feeling 814 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,120 that he wasn't the only victim of police misconduct. 815 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,980 So I delved into another case, Daryl Beamish, 816 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,660 who'd been sentenced to life imprisonment 817 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,480 for the killing of Jillian Brewer. 818 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,620 And what I discovered absolutely floored me. 819 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,720 (THEME MUSIC) 820 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,800 We had really only just scratched the surface. 821 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,700 And of course at the back of my mind as I walked out of the case, 822 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,200 I was thinking, 'Well now we have to do Beamish.' 823 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,700 - And suddenly, it occurred to me. 824 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,280 I thought, my God, that's the bloke! 825 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,340 - I see it as a private holocaust. 826 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,140 It only belongs to me. 827 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,660 - The police took justice into their own hands. 828 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,020 - He wouldn't have a bar that Beamish was innocent. 829 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,740 - Very, very light on detail, 830 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,900 and yet this is what he was condemned to death on. 831 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,380 - I'm so angry the police got away with it. 832 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,980 - It's changed us all, hasn't it? 833 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,540 And I don't think you will ever find your freedom. 834 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,080 - I said, 'No matter what happens, don't run away from it.' 64189

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