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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,712 --> 00:00:06,338 Tonight on history's greatest mysteries: 2 00:00:09,051 --> 00:00:10,342 Eric: Ready to find d.B. Cooper? 3 00:00:10,386 --> 00:00:11,635 Woman: Do you think that he could be 4 00:00:11,721 --> 00:00:13,345 d.b. Cooper? -Yeah, I do. 5 00:00:13,431 --> 00:00:15,597 Eric: I think I've pinpointed where it is. 6 00:00:15,683 --> 00:00:18,225 Eric: This could be our smoking gun. 7 00:00:18,310 --> 00:00:20,602 Woman: They've got to take this back and reopen it. 8 00:00:23,232 --> 00:00:26,275 It's a mystery that's confounded law enforcement 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,027 for 48 years. 10 00:00:31,407 --> 00:00:34,908 On November 24th, 1971, 11 00:00:34,994 --> 00:00:37,870 a man who would become known as d.B. Cooper 12 00:00:37,913 --> 00:00:40,873 hijacks a plane and then jumps out, 13 00:00:40,916 --> 00:00:44,543 taking with him a ransom of $200,000. 14 00:00:46,297 --> 00:00:49,381 I'm Laurence Fishburne and tonight; 15 00:00:49,425 --> 00:00:51,717 who is d.B. Cooper, 16 00:00:51,802 --> 00:00:53,510 and how did he escape? 17 00:00:54,764 --> 00:00:59,600 Neither his identity nor his body has ever been recovered. 18 00:00:59,685 --> 00:01:01,060 It's impossible. 19 00:01:01,896 --> 00:01:02,853 Or is it? 20 00:01:04,106 --> 00:01:06,940 Can investigator Eric ulis finally close 21 00:01:07,026 --> 00:01:11,612 the only unsolved skyjacking in US history? 22 00:01:11,697 --> 00:01:13,906 Eric and his team will reexamine 23 00:01:13,991 --> 00:01:16,033 the plane's alleged flight path. 24 00:01:16,118 --> 00:01:19,453 They'll search alternate landing sites for fresh clues 25 00:01:19,538 --> 00:01:22,289 and profile a possible suspect. 26 00:01:23,167 --> 00:01:25,751 Tonight, a search for new answers 27 00:01:25,795 --> 00:01:28,253 to one of history's greatest mysteries. 28 00:01:29,465 --> 00:01:31,882 Who is d.B. Cooper? 29 00:01:50,694 --> 00:01:53,362 Fishburne: D.B. Cooper investigator Eric ulis 30 00:01:53,447 --> 00:01:55,614 is on his way to Washington state, 31 00:01:55,699 --> 00:01:58,075 but his research and investigation started 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,578 12 years earlier in Arizona. 33 00:02:01,622 --> 00:02:04,540 Eric: I've always had a fascination with aviation, 34 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:05,791 which is what I believe 35 00:02:05,835 --> 00:02:07,459 ultimately drew me into the case. 36 00:02:07,545 --> 00:02:10,587 Here was a man who developed a cult-like following 37 00:02:10,673 --> 00:02:12,005 over the years, 38 00:02:12,091 --> 00:02:14,424 despite the fact that nobody really knew 39 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:16,260 anything about the guy at all. 40 00:02:16,303 --> 00:02:19,304 He became a legend overnight. 41 00:02:19,348 --> 00:02:22,391 Man: I think d.B. Is like coolest guy in america. 42 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:24,101 He did the ultimate crime. 43 00:02:24,186 --> 00:02:26,687 Eric: Eventually, I found the case was being hijacked 44 00:02:26,772 --> 00:02:29,648 by conspiracy theories and so forth, 45 00:02:29,692 --> 00:02:31,775 and I just ended up getting sucked in 46 00:02:31,861 --> 00:02:34,236 to this d.B. Cooper vortex. 47 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:36,321 And, ultimately, I decided that I was gonna undertake 48 00:02:36,407 --> 00:02:39,533 an investigation of my own into the case. 49 00:02:39,618 --> 00:02:41,451 Man: Over the years, more than 1,000 suspects 50 00:02:41,495 --> 00:02:42,953 have been scrutinized. 51 00:02:43,038 --> 00:02:45,664 Geoffrey: When this case happened in the 1970s, 52 00:02:45,708 --> 00:02:48,125 the era of DNA was not upon US, 53 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:52,504 and agents really didn't look out to preserve 54 00:02:52,548 --> 00:02:54,548 this evidence in the way that we do now. 55 00:02:54,633 --> 00:02:57,801 Eric: In order to identify where the FBI and others 56 00:02:57,845 --> 00:02:59,845 went sideways with this case, 57 00:02:59,889 --> 00:03:02,848 I knew that I was going to have to personally read 58 00:03:02,892 --> 00:03:06,852 all 20,000 pages of redacted FBI files 59 00:03:06,896 --> 00:03:08,520 regarding the case. 60 00:03:08,564 --> 00:03:10,480 Fishburne: Thanks to a freedom of information act 61 00:03:10,524 --> 00:03:13,525 lawsuit filed in 2016, 62 00:03:13,611 --> 00:03:16,195 every few months, the FBI releases files 63 00:03:16,238 --> 00:03:18,697 from the case in chronological order. 64 00:03:18,741 --> 00:03:21,241 This constant drip of new information 65 00:03:21,327 --> 00:03:24,286 and new sources is key to Eric's theory 66 00:03:24,371 --> 00:03:28,624 about what really happened on northwest flight 305. 67 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:33,337 Eric: The night of the skyjacking, 68 00:03:33,422 --> 00:03:37,257 we know a man boarded northwest orient flight 69 00:03:37,343 --> 00:03:40,010 in Portland destined for Seattle. 70 00:03:40,095 --> 00:03:43,555 He bought the ticket with a $20 bill at the airport. 71 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:45,140 There was no ID required. 72 00:03:45,226 --> 00:03:49,019 And he gave the name Dan Cooper to the ticket agent. 73 00:03:49,063 --> 00:03:50,395 He would end up taking a seat 74 00:03:50,481 --> 00:03:53,315 in the very back row of the jet, 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,068 18e to be exact. 76 00:03:56,111 --> 00:03:58,278 The flight attendants recall d.B. Cooper 77 00:03:58,364 --> 00:04:00,072 being a guy who is in his mid-40s, 78 00:04:00,157 --> 00:04:03,075 dressed as a business person wearing a black suit, 79 00:04:03,118 --> 00:04:05,535 wearing loafers with a skinny black tie, 80 00:04:05,621 --> 00:04:07,204 and a raincoat. 81 00:04:07,289 --> 00:04:10,082 And he would later put on a pair of dark sunglasses 82 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:13,085 as the jet was about to take off. 83 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:16,755 By his side, he had a black attache case. 84 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:19,091 As the plane starts taxiing toward the runway, 85 00:04:19,134 --> 00:04:21,885 d.b. Cooper hands one of the flight attendants, 86 00:04:21,971 --> 00:04:24,721 Florence schaffner, a note. 87 00:04:24,765 --> 00:04:28,267 Which says that he has a bomb. 88 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:30,102 Man: Thirty-six passengers got off the jetliner 89 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:31,603 in Seattle last night. 90 00:04:31,647 --> 00:04:33,772 Left aboard four crew members and the hijacker, 91 00:04:33,816 --> 00:04:36,858 dressed in a business suit, demanding $200,000 92 00:04:36,944 --> 00:04:39,653 with the full ransom collected from the Seattle banks, 93 00:04:39,738 --> 00:04:41,280 and four parachutes aboard. 94 00:04:41,365 --> 00:04:42,948 The plane headed for Reno. 95 00:04:42,992 --> 00:04:44,783 Eric: What many people don't know was that 96 00:04:44,827 --> 00:04:47,411 Reno was not the intended destination. 97 00:04:47,496 --> 00:04:50,247 Cooper actually requested that the plane fly 98 00:04:50,332 --> 00:04:52,582 to Mexico nonstop. 99 00:04:52,668 --> 00:04:55,252 But the problem is, is that he wanted the jet to fly 100 00:04:55,337 --> 00:04:56,753 with the landing gear down. 101 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,964 He wanted the jet to fly with the flaps down. 102 00:04:59,049 --> 00:05:01,300 He wanted the jet to fly at a very slow speed, 103 00:05:01,385 --> 00:05:04,594 and not fly over 10,000 feet in altitude. 104 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,263 So there was simply no way 105 00:05:06,348 --> 00:05:09,057 that they could fly nonstop to Mexico City. 106 00:05:09,143 --> 00:05:11,435 They would need to refuel somewhere. 107 00:05:11,478 --> 00:05:13,145 And they decided Reno. 108 00:05:13,188 --> 00:05:14,813 According to Eric, 109 00:05:14,898 --> 00:05:18,984 Cooper's request to be flown to Mexico was a ruse. 110 00:05:19,028 --> 00:05:21,737 Seven minutes after the plane left Seattle, 111 00:05:21,822 --> 00:05:24,031 the flight crew received an alert. 112 00:05:24,116 --> 00:05:26,783 The rear airstairs were activated. 113 00:05:26,869 --> 00:05:28,994 Eric: The boeing 727 was unique 114 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:31,163 in that it had airstairs that would deploy 115 00:05:31,206 --> 00:05:35,792 from the back bottom of the fuselage. 116 00:05:35,836 --> 00:05:37,502 In fact, it's these air stairs 117 00:05:37,546 --> 00:05:41,506 that the passengers actually boarded the jet with. 118 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:43,175 Fishburne: Roughly 27 minutes 119 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:45,510 after the airstairs' deployment alert, 120 00:05:45,596 --> 00:05:49,306 the crew experienced a cabin pressure disturbance. 121 00:05:49,391 --> 00:05:54,227 Eric: At approximately 8:12 pm, the pilots experienced 122 00:05:54,313 --> 00:05:58,523 what they described as a pressure bump on the plane. 123 00:05:58,567 --> 00:06:01,318 What felt like a popping in the ears. 124 00:06:01,362 --> 00:06:03,362 This pressure bump was created 125 00:06:03,405 --> 00:06:06,615 when d .b. Cooper jumped off the back airstairs 126 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:09,493 and the airstairs snapped back up 127 00:06:09,536 --> 00:06:11,370 into the bottom of the fuselage. 128 00:06:11,413 --> 00:06:15,207 That bump holds the key to everything. 129 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:16,833 Estimating where and when 130 00:06:16,919 --> 00:06:19,169 that bump took place is key. 131 00:06:19,254 --> 00:06:22,089 It determined the area in which FBI, air force, 132 00:06:22,174 --> 00:06:25,842 and local law enforcement members looked for Cooper 133 00:06:25,886 --> 00:06:29,346 in a coordinated ground search that lasted for months. 134 00:06:33,102 --> 00:06:35,519 Eric: The FBI never found anything 135 00:06:35,562 --> 00:06:37,771 in their original search area. 136 00:06:37,856 --> 00:06:39,272 And my research indicates 137 00:06:39,358 --> 00:06:41,191 that the reason they came up empty-handed 138 00:06:41,235 --> 00:06:44,778 was because they were actually searching in the wrong place. 139 00:06:44,863 --> 00:06:46,780 Why were they searching in the wrong place? 140 00:06:46,865 --> 00:06:49,032 Because the flight path was off. 141 00:06:49,076 --> 00:06:50,909 Understanding that pressure bump 142 00:06:50,953 --> 00:06:53,912 and identifying the correct search area 143 00:06:53,997 --> 00:06:58,166 will allow US to ask the basic fundamental questions. 144 00:06:59,628 --> 00:07:02,129 To test his theory about the plane's path, 145 00:07:02,214 --> 00:07:04,381 Eric is meeting with the person charged 146 00:07:04,425 --> 00:07:06,383 with tracking flight 305 147 00:07:06,427 --> 00:07:08,260 on the night of the hijacking. 148 00:07:08,345 --> 00:07:12,097 The air traffic controller on duty, cliff ammerman. 149 00:07:12,141 --> 00:07:14,266 Cliff: My name is cliff ammerman. 150 00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:16,226 And, I'm a retired air traffic controller. 151 00:07:16,311 --> 00:07:19,271 I worked at the Seattle center air route traffic control 152 00:07:19,314 --> 00:07:22,315 from 1969 till 1998. 153 00:07:22,401 --> 00:07:26,445 Eric: Did the FBI or law enforcement at all 154 00:07:26,530 --> 00:07:28,613 ever reach out to you? 155 00:07:28,657 --> 00:07:29,948 Never did. 156 00:07:30,033 --> 00:07:31,575 I never got a request like that at all. 157 00:07:31,660 --> 00:07:34,995 What did you know about 305? 158 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,873 I mean, I assume you knew it was a skyjacked jet? 159 00:07:37,958 --> 00:07:39,708 Cliff: We knew it was a hijacking. 160 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,960 We didn't have a flight plan on it 161 00:07:42,004 --> 00:07:45,005 because nobody knew exactly what the routing was gonna be, 162 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:47,466 so we were told, "just follow him. 163 00:07:47,509 --> 00:07:49,217 Keep everybody else away from him." 164 00:07:49,303 --> 00:07:53,096 It became fairly obvious that he was on Victor 23. 165 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:57,434 Victor 23 is one airway in a low-altitude airway structure 166 00:07:57,519 --> 00:07:59,311 that's nationwide. 167 00:07:59,354 --> 00:08:03,106 It's a system of ground-based navigational aids 168 00:08:03,192 --> 00:08:04,774 that pilots can follow, 169 00:08:04,818 --> 00:08:08,778 and it allows them to hold a track over the ground. 170 00:08:08,864 --> 00:08:11,364 Just like when you're on interstate 5 in a car, 171 00:08:11,450 --> 00:08:13,408 Victor 23 is a highway in the sky. 172 00:08:13,494 --> 00:08:17,162 Eric: The first priority here when tackling this case 173 00:08:17,206 --> 00:08:20,499 is trying to figure out the path that the jet took. 174 00:08:20,542 --> 00:08:24,002 Can you Gauge how precisely you could identify 175 00:08:24,087 --> 00:08:26,588 the exact location of flight 305? 176 00:08:26,673 --> 00:08:29,299 Yeah. What I'm looking at is a map 177 00:08:29,384 --> 00:08:31,134 on a video screen. 178 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:33,553 Aircrafts are being presented in 179 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:35,847 what would look to you like an equal sign. 180 00:08:35,891 --> 00:08:37,849 And on the leading slash, 181 00:08:37,935 --> 00:08:40,644 the aircraft itself could be anyplace on that line. 182 00:08:40,729 --> 00:08:42,854 So it could be in the center, it might be at the left side 183 00:08:42,898 --> 00:08:45,690 of the line, it might be at the right side. We don't know. 184 00:08:45,734 --> 00:08:47,984 Any idea of roughly what kind of distance 185 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,861 you're looking at there? 186 00:08:49,905 --> 00:08:52,822 I would guess four to five nautical miles long, 187 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:54,533 that line is. 188 00:08:54,618 --> 00:08:58,036 How do you know that he's actually within Victor 23 189 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,371 if you've got sort of that much 190 00:08:59,456 --> 00:09:01,289 play there? -Cliff: Sure. Sure. 191 00:09:01,375 --> 00:09:05,293 It's very uncertain just exactly where the airplane was 192 00:09:05,379 --> 00:09:08,964 within that target area that we're seeing. 193 00:09:09,049 --> 00:09:11,716 So, where's the airplane actually? 194 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,553 Eric: There's quite a bit of variance in there. 195 00:09:14,596 --> 00:09:18,306 Indeed, the jet could have actually been a handful of miles 196 00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:22,394 outside of this Victor 23 airway, 197 00:09:22,437 --> 00:09:25,438 and not have been noticed by anyone. 198 00:09:25,524 --> 00:09:28,733 It seems to indicate that the jet indeed took a path 199 00:09:28,777 --> 00:09:30,694 that was more along the western side, 200 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:33,697 that lines it up with the money find and all that good stuff, 201 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:35,407 that is not at all consistent 202 00:09:35,450 --> 00:09:38,910 with the official version of the flight path. 203 00:09:38,954 --> 00:09:41,746 The pilot of northwest 305 also said 204 00:09:41,832 --> 00:09:44,249 that they were not looking far enough west. 205 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:47,377 Eric: Well, that confirms it for me. 206 00:09:47,462 --> 00:09:49,588 Yeah. -That's an area that 207 00:09:49,631 --> 00:09:52,173 they should have looked, but they didn't look. 208 00:09:56,763 --> 00:09:59,431 Fishburne: Convinced the plane was actually eight miles 209 00:09:59,474 --> 00:10:01,933 west of the original FBI search zone, 210 00:10:02,019 --> 00:10:05,395 Eric and his team head up to a remote wilderness refuge 211 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,439 that's never been searched. 212 00:10:07,482 --> 00:10:10,567 They're looking for any evidence of d.B. Cooper, 213 00:10:10,652 --> 00:10:13,987 including possible remains of his parachute. 214 00:10:14,072 --> 00:10:15,405 Hey. Hey. How's it going? -How's it going? 215 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:17,240 Eric ulis. -Hey. Ryan. 216 00:10:17,326 --> 00:10:19,743 Fishburne: To maximize the time he'll have on the ground, 217 00:10:19,828 --> 00:10:21,953 Eric first takes to the sky 218 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:24,289 to see how closely his search lines up 219 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:27,459 with an area known as Tina bar. 220 00:10:27,502 --> 00:10:31,755 In 1980, the FBI found important evidence there. 221 00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:34,591 Man: A child has led the FBI to the start of a trail 222 00:10:34,635 --> 00:10:36,134 it hopes it'll help them solve 223 00:10:36,178 --> 00:10:38,970 the eight-and-a-half-year-old mystery of skyjacker 224 00:10:39,056 --> 00:10:40,388 d.b. Cooper. 225 00:10:40,474 --> 00:10:42,057 The first break in the only unsolved 226 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:44,976 airplane hijacking in United States history 227 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:46,394 came on a Columbia river beach, 228 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,605 along the Oregon-Washington border 229 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:49,981 where an eight-year-old boy 230 00:10:50,067 --> 00:10:53,443 dug up the shreds of $3,000 on sunday. 231 00:10:53,487 --> 00:10:55,570 The money was found about 20 miles 232 00:10:55,656 --> 00:10:58,448 from the FBI's original search zone. 233 00:10:58,533 --> 00:11:01,159 Also, it was found about eight or nine miles 234 00:11:01,203 --> 00:11:04,287 against the current along the Columbia river. 235 00:11:04,373 --> 00:11:07,123 So there was no possible way 236 00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:09,459 that the money just washed ashore. 237 00:11:09,503 --> 00:11:11,336 The bundles of 20s were found 238 00:11:11,421 --> 00:11:13,963 just below the surface of the sand, 239 00:11:14,007 --> 00:11:15,799 neatly stacked upon each other 240 00:11:15,884 --> 00:11:19,135 with the original rubber band still intact. 241 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:20,970 So by all appearances, 242 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:23,973 it looks like somebody actually buried 243 00:11:24,059 --> 00:11:27,477 those three packets of 20s. 244 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:30,313 Fishburne: Since it's impossible to know the precise 245 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:32,691 altitude at which Cooper pulled his parachute ripcord, 246 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:37,153 Eric plans to search a wide area the FBI missed. 247 00:11:39,074 --> 00:11:43,159 The first is an island a few miles north of Tina bar. 248 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:03,221 The second zone is an extended Meadow 249 00:12:03,265 --> 00:12:07,892 along the tree line on the west side of the train tracks. 250 00:12:07,936 --> 00:12:09,561 If Cooper landed there, 251 00:12:09,604 --> 00:12:11,896 Eric believes he could have walked south 252 00:12:11,982 --> 00:12:13,356 along these train tracks 253 00:12:13,442 --> 00:12:15,233 crossing over from the mainland 254 00:12:15,318 --> 00:12:18,361 at the river s bridge to Tina bar. 255 00:12:18,405 --> 00:12:21,698 Eric thinks Cooper might have buried the ransom here 256 00:12:21,783 --> 00:12:24,701 temporarily, and then fled. 257 00:12:24,786 --> 00:12:27,245 The third zone, private properties 258 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:29,539 across from the refuge provide access 259 00:12:29,624 --> 00:12:31,583 to a large untouched ravine 260 00:12:31,668 --> 00:12:35,086 which could have given perfect cover for d.B. Cooper. 261 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:39,883 Eric: Part of what has guided me 262 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:42,761 to these three specific search areas 263 00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:45,930 is that they're pristine and largely untouched 264 00:12:46,016 --> 00:12:48,224 in the last 50 years. 265 00:12:48,310 --> 00:12:50,101 Eric ulis. Good to meet you. 266 00:12:51,813 --> 00:12:53,605 I'm thinking about, you know, 267 00:12:53,690 --> 00:12:55,565 the 12 years of research 268 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:58,276 I have put into this case. 269 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,986 This is what I have been waiting for, 270 00:13:00,071 --> 00:13:04,657 the opportunity to actually get boots on the ground 271 00:13:04,743 --> 00:13:06,117 and dig through the brush 272 00:13:06,203 --> 00:13:08,870 and look for those missing parachutes, 273 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:12,540 look for any sign of d.B. Cooper. 274 00:13:16,379 --> 00:13:18,087 Fishburne: Eric ulis has investigated 275 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:21,049 the d.B. Cooper case for 12 years. 276 00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:23,343 Cliff: The pilot of northwest 305 277 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:25,970 also said that they were not looking far enough west. 278 00:13:26,056 --> 00:13:28,306 Fishburne: Convinced the FBI misjudged 279 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:30,141 the hijacked plane's flight path, 280 00:13:30,227 --> 00:13:33,144 Eric's assembled a team to look for new evidence. 281 00:13:33,188 --> 00:13:37,148 They hope to find something to reopen this cold case. 282 00:13:39,361 --> 00:13:40,610 Alex: Hey. 283 00:13:40,695 --> 00:13:42,070 Eric: Hey, you guys. How you doing? 284 00:13:42,155 --> 00:13:43,947 Alex: Alex gall with archeological services. 285 00:13:44,032 --> 00:13:47,158 This area was home to thousands of native American's villages. 286 00:13:47,244 --> 00:13:48,701 So in order for the project 287 00:13:48,787 --> 00:13:50,662 to have special access to the refuge, 288 00:13:50,705 --> 00:13:52,956 it needed an archeologist to join the project, 289 00:13:53,041 --> 00:13:55,500 and, that archeologist is me. 290 00:13:55,544 --> 00:13:58,461 Given the terrain, it's gonna be-- 291 00:13:58,505 --> 00:13:59,879 require a lot of luck. 292 00:13:59,965 --> 00:14:02,006 Fishburne: Accompanying Eric on his mission, 293 00:14:02,050 --> 00:14:04,133 geophysicist, Colin miazga, 294 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,344 who will help examine any ground disturbance 295 00:14:06,388 --> 00:14:10,181 or man-made materials left behind by the skyjacker. 296 00:14:10,225 --> 00:14:11,975 Colin: With my geoscience background, 297 00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:14,853 you look for man-made objects. 298 00:14:14,938 --> 00:14:17,397 In this case though, there's a very small object 299 00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:20,149 in a very big area, so it's incredibly challenging. 300 00:14:20,235 --> 00:14:22,694 There's just so much ground to cover, 301 00:14:22,737 --> 00:14:25,864 and the only real best way to do that 302 00:14:25,907 --> 00:14:28,491 is by physically walking over the area. 303 00:14:28,577 --> 00:14:31,327 Who wouldn't wanna be the person responsible for solving, 304 00:14:31,413 --> 00:14:34,205 a 50-year-old case that the FBI gave up on, 305 00:14:34,249 --> 00:14:35,498 essentially? 306 00:14:35,584 --> 00:14:37,041 Fishburne: He's also enlisted the help of 307 00:14:37,085 --> 00:14:39,043 local search and rescue volunteers, 308 00:14:39,087 --> 00:14:41,546 Jason Cole and Barry Wells. 309 00:14:41,631 --> 00:14:44,382 Both have a vast knowledge of the area. 310 00:14:44,426 --> 00:14:46,050 I was here when the event happened, 311 00:14:46,136 --> 00:14:48,136 and there was a lot of theories going around. 312 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:49,679 Eric: So, today, what we're gonna be doing 313 00:14:49,723 --> 00:14:51,222 is getting on the boats. 314 00:14:51,266 --> 00:14:53,099 We're gonna be traveling along the lake river 315 00:14:53,184 --> 00:14:54,350 up to the Columbia river. 316 00:14:54,394 --> 00:14:55,894 Then once we're on the Columbia river, 317 00:14:55,937 --> 00:14:58,021 we're gonna go upstream a little bit. 318 00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,355 This area we're talking about here 319 00:14:59,441 --> 00:15:00,940 was not part of the original search area. 320 00:15:01,026 --> 00:15:03,568 And obviously, the fact that it's a refuge as well 321 00:15:03,612 --> 00:15:05,361 and is off-limits to people, 322 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:06,696 -essentially-- -Jason: Yeah. 323 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:08,114 Provides a real opportunity 324 00:15:08,199 --> 00:15:10,074 where the stuff would have never been found. 325 00:15:10,118 --> 00:15:11,868 Ready to find d.B. Cooper? 326 00:15:11,953 --> 00:15:13,703 Fishburne: With restrictions in place 327 00:15:13,747 --> 00:15:15,079 to protect the local wildlife, 328 00:15:15,123 --> 00:15:17,540 Eric and his team must also contact 329 00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:19,250 the state environmental expert 330 00:15:19,336 --> 00:15:22,712 before they can begin their search on the island. 331 00:15:22,797 --> 00:15:24,422 Hey, Brent. How you doing? Um... 332 00:15:24,507 --> 00:15:25,506 Brent: Good, Eric. 333 00:15:25,592 --> 00:15:26,925 We'll work our way north, 334 00:15:26,968 --> 00:15:28,760 see if we can actually get over to where you are 335 00:15:28,845 --> 00:15:31,429 because I think the refuge is where we wanna start 336 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:33,181 versus the dnr land. 337 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,599 - And then we'll-- -Brent: Right. 338 00:15:34,684 --> 00:15:36,601 We'll go from there. 339 00:15:36,686 --> 00:15:39,604 Let's get these guys over on this shoreline here. 340 00:15:39,648 --> 00:15:42,440 Landfall, here we go. -Right now, we're on, 341 00:15:42,484 --> 00:15:44,943 Washington department of natural resources land. 342 00:15:45,028 --> 00:15:47,737 And basically at the tree line there 343 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:50,114 is where the wildlife refuge starts. 344 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,951 They'll be limited in the tools they can use, 345 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:54,911 and are forbidden to dig anything up 346 00:15:54,996 --> 00:15:58,122 or remove any evidence from the refuge. 347 00:15:58,166 --> 00:16:00,959 If you wanna go over some of these, 348 00:16:01,044 --> 00:16:03,795 maps that I pulled. -Eric: This is 1970. 349 00:16:03,838 --> 00:16:05,463 Alex: So this '70. 350 00:16:06,675 --> 00:16:08,925 Compared to now, the footprint... 351 00:16:09,010 --> 00:16:10,760 Alex: It's pretty-- it looks pretty stable. 352 00:16:10,845 --> 00:16:12,804 Eric: Looks pretty consistent. 353 00:16:12,847 --> 00:16:14,138 So the only-- the only thing 354 00:16:14,224 --> 00:16:17,308 that might give US a little pause 355 00:16:17,352 --> 00:16:19,978 is the 1996 aerial. 356 00:16:20,021 --> 00:16:22,647 Eric: I know there was quite a bit of flooding in '96. 357 00:16:22,732 --> 00:16:25,441 So it looks like to me that this area here 358 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:26,985 is actually under water. 359 00:16:27,028 --> 00:16:28,778 In 1996, there was actually 360 00:16:28,863 --> 00:16:32,991 a very big flood in the area. 361 00:16:33,034 --> 00:16:35,618 In reality, if the parachutes were in that area, 362 00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:38,830 they could have easily been swept out to the Columbia river 363 00:16:38,915 --> 00:16:41,124 and out to the pacific ocean. 364 00:16:41,167 --> 00:16:42,834 I believe that the parachutes 365 00:16:42,877 --> 00:16:45,294 were placed a little bit farther inland 366 00:16:45,380 --> 00:16:47,922 which wasn't affected nearly as much. 367 00:16:48,008 --> 00:16:49,674 Alex: So you said the parachute was white and the-- 368 00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:51,092 Eric: The parachute itself was white. 369 00:16:51,177 --> 00:16:52,844 --And the pack was green? -That's correct. 370 00:16:52,929 --> 00:16:54,178 Alex: Always helps me to know what colors to be looking for. 371 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:56,180 It's dark green. Yeah. Yeah. 372 00:16:56,266 --> 00:16:58,182 Fishburne: Eric's team is looking for d.B. Cooper's 373 00:16:58,268 --> 00:17:01,352 missing parachutes and other evidence, 374 00:17:01,396 --> 00:17:03,146 including his attache case, 375 00:17:03,231 --> 00:17:06,149 ransom notes, or unrecovered money. 376 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:08,317 They must notify local authorities 377 00:17:08,403 --> 00:17:09,986 and the FBI immediately 378 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:12,864 if they find anything. 379 00:17:12,907 --> 00:17:14,699 But Eric's search permit for the refuge 380 00:17:14,743 --> 00:17:17,368 is limited and will expire. 381 00:17:17,454 --> 00:17:19,579 We'll just start working off from this direction 382 00:17:19,664 --> 00:17:21,039 and work our way through. 383 00:17:24,002 --> 00:17:25,543 Eric: A little bit of rain. -Woman: Today. 384 00:17:25,628 --> 00:17:27,378 Until end of day and tomorrow. 385 00:17:27,422 --> 00:17:29,547 Eric: I think we got to go a little farther down 386 00:17:29,632 --> 00:17:32,341 to the open field basically. 387 00:17:32,427 --> 00:17:33,718 Brent: I was surprised-- or is. 388 00:17:33,762 --> 00:17:35,928 At how he was dressed as businessman. 389 00:17:36,014 --> 00:17:37,388 Eric: You bring up a great point 390 00:17:37,474 --> 00:17:39,849 because a lot of people said, you know, 391 00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:41,893 "who in their right mind would jump 392 00:17:41,978 --> 00:17:44,479 into the middle of the woods wearing, loafers 393 00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:46,064 and a-- and a tie." -Brent: 394 00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:48,733 Eric: And I've always argued, nobody. 395 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:53,196 I believe that the evidence clearly shows 396 00:17:53,281 --> 00:17:55,239 that d.B. Cooper intended to jump 397 00:17:55,325 --> 00:17:58,701 initially in the outskirts of Seattle. 398 00:17:58,745 --> 00:18:00,369 Fishburne: After the skyjacking, 399 00:18:00,455 --> 00:18:02,121 flight attendant, Tina mucklow, 400 00:18:02,207 --> 00:18:03,998 told authorities that d.B. Cooper 401 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:07,085 was visibly frustrated and complained to her 402 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:09,545 about how the money was delivered. 403 00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:12,590 Tina: He, made me feel very sure 404 00:18:12,634 --> 00:18:15,384 that, we had a very real 405 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:17,261 and horrifying threat. 406 00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:18,221 Eric: When the money showed up, 407 00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:19,680 it was not in a knapsack 408 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:20,723 as he requested. 409 00:18:20,767 --> 00:18:22,433 It was actually just delivered 410 00:18:22,477 --> 00:18:24,477 in a white open-top 411 00:18:24,562 --> 00:18:26,437 canvas bank bag. 412 00:18:26,523 --> 00:18:28,314 It didn't have any zippers, didn't have any snaps, 413 00:18:28,399 --> 00:18:29,982 didn't even have a handle on it. 414 00:18:30,068 --> 00:18:32,110 Cooper needed to figure out a way 415 00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:35,071 to secure the top of that bank bag. 416 00:18:35,156 --> 00:18:37,573 If he didn't, the force of the free fall 417 00:18:37,617 --> 00:18:39,242 would have immediately ejected 418 00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:41,786 all of the cash out of that bag. 419 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:45,540 It was also reported by copilot, bill rataczek, 420 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,209 that Cooper had difficulties lowering the airstairs. 421 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:50,419 He called US on the interphone and requested that, 422 00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:51,796 he was having trouble with the stairs. 423 00:18:51,881 --> 00:18:53,422 "I can't get the stairs down." 424 00:18:53,508 --> 00:18:55,633 Eric believes these delays forced Cooper 425 00:18:55,718 --> 00:18:57,426 to jump into rougher terrain 426 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,137 than originally planned. 427 00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:00,805 Eric: I think that's really ground zero, 428 00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:02,473 -as far as-- -Alex: Yeah. 429 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:03,975 Eric: --Searching for the d .b. Cooper's parachutes 430 00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:05,643 if he landed in this area. 431 00:19:05,728 --> 00:19:08,271 And basically we need to start right around here 432 00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:09,480 where these thicker bushes are, 433 00:19:09,566 --> 00:19:12,984 but start working our way down 434 00:19:13,027 --> 00:19:14,110 around to the south. 435 00:19:14,154 --> 00:19:15,653 Alex: Along the edges? 436 00:19:15,697 --> 00:19:17,822 Fishburne: To ensure a thorough ground search, 437 00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:20,283 the team walks at arm's length from each other, 438 00:19:20,368 --> 00:19:23,161 searching in a traditional grid pattern. 439 00:19:23,204 --> 00:19:24,162 Let's move. 440 00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:31,169 Eric: Looks like a UN-penetrable wall back there, 441 00:19:31,212 --> 00:19:33,754 so I'm not even gonna try that. 442 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,841 Alex: It's pretty thick in front of US here. 443 00:19:36,885 --> 00:19:38,009 Eric: This stuff is brutal. 444 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:39,302 Woman:. 445 00:19:40,471 --> 00:19:42,346 Yikes. 446 00:19:42,432 --> 00:19:43,681 Eric: Yeah. 447 00:19:43,766 --> 00:19:46,225 That looks prime spot to dump a parachute. 448 00:19:46,311 --> 00:19:47,768 Alex: Exactly. 449 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,687 Fishburne: Eric believes Cooper left his parachute 450 00:19:49,731 --> 00:19:53,191 behind wherever he landed. 451 00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:56,152 Eric: All the soil around here is pretty packed Clay. 452 00:19:56,237 --> 00:19:57,486 Um, there's no way he's digging 453 00:19:57,572 --> 00:19:59,989 more than whatever he could kick with his boot. 454 00:20:00,074 --> 00:20:01,532 Alex: Right. And it's dark too, 455 00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:02,950 right? -Eric: Yeah. 456 00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:04,202 Alex: So he couldn't get too far in there. 457 00:20:04,245 --> 00:20:05,369 Eric: No. 458 00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:06,662 Although the parachute 459 00:20:06,706 --> 00:20:08,206 may have deteriorated, 460 00:20:08,291 --> 00:20:11,417 metallic and nylon material could have survived. 461 00:20:11,502 --> 00:20:13,711 Alex found some... -Let's check it out. 462 00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:15,713 It's really the first sign of human activity 463 00:20:15,757 --> 00:20:18,049 I've seen in here. 464 00:20:18,092 --> 00:20:19,008 Yeah. 465 00:20:19,052 --> 00:20:20,384 This could be promising. 466 00:20:23,932 --> 00:20:25,890 Fishburne: Searching on federally-protected land 467 00:20:25,975 --> 00:20:29,518 on an island along the Washington-Oregon border, 468 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:31,062 investigator, Eric ulis, 469 00:20:31,105 --> 00:20:33,231 and his team make what they hope 470 00:20:33,274 --> 00:20:35,233 is a significant discovery. 471 00:20:36,945 --> 00:20:38,694 Alex found some... -Let's check it out. 472 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:41,072 It's really the first sign of human activity 473 00:20:41,115 --> 00:20:43,407 I've seen in here. 474 00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:44,408 Yeah. 475 00:20:44,494 --> 00:20:45,910 This could be promising. 476 00:20:45,954 --> 00:20:47,411 Alex: I don't know anything about parachutes 477 00:20:47,497 --> 00:20:49,038 -and the kinds of-- -yeah. 478 00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:51,540 Shroud lines they would use. 479 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,045 The problem is the color of the shroud lines 480 00:20:56,130 --> 00:21:00,883 were, either white or light pink. 481 00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:02,260 And so that would not be part of... 482 00:21:02,345 --> 00:21:03,719 Okay. 483 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:05,596 D.b. Cooper's parachute. 484 00:21:05,682 --> 00:21:07,390 This area is clear. 485 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,899 Fishburne: After 10 grueling hours, 486 00:21:16,985 --> 00:21:19,944 the team ends the search for the day. 487 00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:25,074 Eric: With the restrictions that we have from the refuge, 488 00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:26,325 limiting the number of people 489 00:21:26,411 --> 00:21:28,411 that we can actually search with, 490 00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:31,789 and seeing how vast this area is, 491 00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:33,916 and how dense the growth is 492 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,584 that we have to fight through, 493 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:37,586 it just made me realize 494 00:21:37,672 --> 00:21:39,964 how difficult this search 495 00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:41,299 is actually going to be. 496 00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:48,306 Fishburne: With only a few days remaining to search 497 00:21:48,349 --> 00:21:50,808 what he believes is the landing area, 498 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:54,103 Eric reviews the mystery of d.B. Cooper. 499 00:21:54,188 --> 00:21:55,980 Eric: There are really two parts 500 00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:57,815 to the d.B. Copper mystery. 501 00:21:57,859 --> 00:22:01,319 There's the part that relates to what actually happened... 502 00:22:01,362 --> 00:22:02,820 Man: All these years later, 503 00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:04,989 they're still looking for d.B. Cooper. 504 00:22:05,074 --> 00:22:07,491 Everything FBI special agent Larry carr 505 00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:10,995 has on Cooper fits in one battered box, 506 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:13,497 mostly what Cooper left on the plane. 507 00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:15,333 Eric: ...And there is this other part 508 00:22:15,418 --> 00:22:18,127 that relates to who the guy actually was. 509 00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:19,545 Larry: D.b. Cooper came from someone. 510 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:21,005 He came from somewhere. 511 00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:23,007 You know, he just didn't miracle himself here. 512 00:22:23,092 --> 00:22:27,845 And so, someone has information. 513 00:22:27,889 --> 00:22:30,014 Fishburne: During the 45 years that d.B. Cooper's 514 00:22:30,099 --> 00:22:32,058 skyjacking case remained open, 515 00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,852 the FBI investigated more than a thousand 516 00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:36,854 possible suspects. 517 00:22:36,939 --> 00:22:39,523 Some simply matched the crime sketch. 518 00:22:39,567 --> 00:22:42,693 Others confessed on their death beds. 519 00:22:42,779 --> 00:22:45,696 Hospitalized here in Florida with kidney disease, 520 00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:48,491 Duane weber motioned to his wife to come close. 521 00:22:48,534 --> 00:22:51,619 He says I have a secret to tell you. 522 00:22:51,704 --> 00:22:52,787 I said, "what?" 523 00:22:52,872 --> 00:22:55,247 He says, "I'm Dan Cooper." 524 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,708 Fishburne: Even a woman was investigated, 525 00:22:57,794 --> 00:22:59,710 pilot Barbara Dayton. 526 00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:02,380 Eric's determined to provide a definitive answer 527 00:23:02,465 --> 00:23:04,382 about one person of interest, 528 00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:07,218 a man DNA-tested in 2003 529 00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:09,345 but never publicly eliminated. 530 00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:13,516 Eric believes this man could be d.B. Cooper. 531 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,685 His name is Sheridan Peterson. 532 00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:18,771 Eric: He actually became a suspect 533 00:23:18,856 --> 00:23:22,358 within one week of the skyjacking. 534 00:23:22,402 --> 00:23:25,403 However, it wasn't even until 2003, 535 00:23:25,446 --> 00:23:28,572 the FBI was actually able to interview him. 536 00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:33,953 That FBI agent was a woman named Mary Jean fryar. 537 00:23:34,038 --> 00:23:37,248 And what she told me when I first reached out to her 538 00:23:37,291 --> 00:23:40,918 has completely changed the trajectory in my case. 539 00:23:40,962 --> 00:23:42,044 I'm Mary Jean fryar. 540 00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:43,587 I'm a special agent with the FBI 541 00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:46,090 from 1985 to 2006. 542 00:23:46,175 --> 00:23:49,093 In 2003, I received, 543 00:23:49,178 --> 00:23:51,011 a communication from the Seattle office 544 00:23:51,097 --> 00:23:54,890 to locate and interview Sheridan Peterson 545 00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:57,059 who was residing in Santa Rosa 546 00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,438 and obtain a voluntary DNA sample. 547 00:24:00,523 --> 00:24:03,607 Eric: In late 2007, the FBI announced 548 00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:06,777 that they had a partial DNA profile 549 00:24:06,821 --> 00:24:10,448 that they've got from d.B. Cooper's clip-on tie. 550 00:24:10,533 --> 00:24:12,950 Man: This is the tie we got the DNA from. 551 00:24:12,994 --> 00:24:16,328 Eric: This could explain why the FBI had Mary Jean fryar 552 00:24:16,414 --> 00:24:19,623 obtain a DNA sample from Sheridan Peterson 553 00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:22,793 to compare it against the partial DNA profile. 554 00:24:22,837 --> 00:24:25,463 Mary Jean: When I met with Sheridan Peterson in 2003, 555 00:24:25,548 --> 00:24:28,299 it was special because it was a historic case. 556 00:24:28,384 --> 00:24:31,385 During my training at the FBI academy, 557 00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:33,262 we had instructors that came in 558 00:24:33,347 --> 00:24:34,805 and, talked about it. 559 00:24:34,891 --> 00:24:37,641 Sheridan's alibi, since I talked to him in 2003, 560 00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:39,602 was always that he was present in Nepal 561 00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:40,978 for his children's birth. 562 00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:42,438 He was saying he wasn't in the country 563 00:24:42,523 --> 00:24:44,315 so he couldn't have been d.B. Cooper. 564 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,318 He did show me his birth certificates of his kids, 565 00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:49,320 but his wife could have very easily given birth 566 00:24:49,363 --> 00:24:50,446 without him there. 567 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:52,823 Sheridan worked in the department 568 00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:55,784 that literally wrote the flight manual 569 00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:58,162 for the boeing 727 jet. 570 00:24:58,206 --> 00:25:00,956 He worked as a smokejumper in Montana. 571 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000 He's an expert skydiver. 572 00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:05,586 He's a former boeing employee. 573 00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:07,296 Then in 1966, 574 00:25:07,381 --> 00:25:09,840 Sheridan found himself in Vietnam 575 00:25:09,884 --> 00:25:12,176 working as a refugee adviser 576 00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:14,803 until August of 1970 577 00:25:14,847 --> 00:25:17,264 when he and his wife moved to Nepal. 578 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:20,684 There is nothing that Sheridan can point to 579 00:25:20,728 --> 00:25:24,230 that proves unequivocally that he was in Nepal 580 00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:27,191 at the time that the skyjacking took place, 581 00:25:27,235 --> 00:25:29,818 with the exception of the second wife. 582 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:32,696 The problem is, according to Sheridan, 583 00:25:32,782 --> 00:25:36,325 his second wife died in 1977. 584 00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:41,413 Eric: Sheridan Peterson was interviewed for a program 585 00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:43,541 related to d.B. Cooper, 586 00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:46,043 and there are some inconsistencies in there. 587 00:25:46,087 --> 00:25:49,547 There are things that he stated that just don't add up. 588 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:51,423 There are two things that I found 589 00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,759 that could rule Sheridan out as a suspect. 590 00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:56,720 There's some discrepancy with respect to eye color. 591 00:25:56,764 --> 00:25:59,723 Specifically, Sheridan has blue eyes, 592 00:25:59,809 --> 00:26:04,061 and the FBI's very first description of d.B. Cooper 593 00:26:04,146 --> 00:26:06,564 had him having brown eyes. 594 00:26:06,607 --> 00:26:09,775 However, very quickly after they put up 595 00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:12,027 the initial description for d.B. Cooper, 596 00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:14,488 the FBI updated the description 597 00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:15,864 and described d.B. Cooper 598 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:19,159 as possibly having brown eyes. 599 00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:22,079 The second being, we know that d.B. Cooper 600 00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:23,539 definitely smoked cigarettes. 601 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:25,708 In fact, he smoked eight cigarettes 602 00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:27,418 during the skyjacking. 603 00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:30,754 I have never been able to prove that Sheridan Peterson 604 00:26:30,798 --> 00:26:32,381 was ever a smoker. 605 00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:34,341 Fishburne: Eric's asked Mary Jean 606 00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:37,344 to help secure an interview with Sheridan. 607 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:41,098 Her goal, get him to request his DNA test results. 608 00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:46,770 Now, we can't use DNA to prove that he was d.B. Cooper 609 00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:49,231 because the profile that the FBI has 610 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:52,776 is only a partial DNA profile. 611 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:54,945 But if we can get Sheridan Peterson 612 00:26:54,989 --> 00:26:56,030 to actually request 613 00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:58,782 to get his DNA comparison results 614 00:26:58,868 --> 00:27:00,409 from the FBI, 615 00:27:00,453 --> 00:27:02,328 we may actually be able to prove 616 00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:06,290 definitively that he wasn't d .b. Cooper. 617 00:27:18,346 --> 00:27:19,595 Fishburne: Back on the refuge, 618 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,805 Eric ulis and his team of investigators 619 00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:24,016 continue their hunt. 620 00:27:24,101 --> 00:27:26,644 Yesterday, they searched a remote island. 621 00:27:26,687 --> 00:27:30,564 Today, they're searching an extended Meadow area. 622 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:33,400 None of this land has been searched before 623 00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:36,153 because the FBI used a different flight path 624 00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:39,615 to calculate its search area in 1971. 625 00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:41,325 If Eric can find any evidence 626 00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:43,118 that d.B. Cooper landed here, 627 00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,329 it might lead to finally identifying 628 00:27:45,414 --> 00:27:46,997 the skyjacker. 629 00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:50,459 Eric: All right. So, today, 630 00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:52,169 we're continuing the search 631 00:27:52,213 --> 00:27:54,046 for the missing parachutes. 632 00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:55,839 We've got our survivalist 633 00:27:55,925 --> 00:27:57,966 with US as well, Dan. 634 00:27:58,052 --> 00:27:59,802 I'm Dan baird. I'm a backcountry 635 00:27:59,887 --> 00:28:01,303 guidance survival expert. 636 00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:03,931 I'm not an expert on d.B. Cooper himself, 637 00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:06,433 but to me, it seems like it's a survival situation. 638 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:07,726 I'm looking forward to the search, 639 00:28:07,812 --> 00:28:09,186 this is gonna be awesome. 640 00:28:09,271 --> 00:28:12,189 There are several copycat jumps that took place 641 00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:14,024 after Cooper's jump. 642 00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:15,693 Every single person 643 00:28:15,736 --> 00:28:17,361 who did it survived. 644 00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:21,699 Fishburne: Although every copycat jumper survived, 645 00:28:21,742 --> 00:28:24,368 none of them got away with the crime. 646 00:28:24,453 --> 00:28:27,871 Most notable, a man named Richard Floyd McCoy 647 00:28:27,915 --> 00:28:29,915 who, in 1972, remained free 648 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,502 for two days before being arrested. 649 00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:34,837 It seems that the real challenge 650 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,047 comes once he hits the ground, 651 00:28:37,091 --> 00:28:39,049 how he gets out of the area. 652 00:28:42,138 --> 00:28:44,722 Dan: Were these tracks in place at that time? 653 00:28:44,807 --> 00:28:47,558 Man: Yes, they were. -Eric: Yeah, they were. Yup. 654 00:28:47,643 --> 00:28:51,603 We're on top of the bnsf railway tracks. 655 00:28:51,689 --> 00:28:53,731 If d.B. Cooper landed in this area, 656 00:28:53,816 --> 00:28:56,734 the railroad tracks provide a perfect corridor 657 00:28:56,777 --> 00:28:59,361 that he could've used to get to tena bar 658 00:28:59,447 --> 00:29:01,196 where the money was found. 659 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,823 Dan: Do you ever think of looking into 660 00:29:02,908 --> 00:29:04,575 what the train schedule was like that night? 661 00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:06,910 If he landed, started walking for 20 minutes, 662 00:29:06,996 --> 00:29:09,580 half hour, I'm sure the train would've gone by. 663 00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:11,415 Eric: There was a railroad conductor 664 00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:13,417 who was driving down the tracks that night 665 00:29:13,502 --> 00:29:16,587 who actually did report to the FBI 666 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,047 that there was somebody on the tracks. 667 00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:21,258 And it's important to remember 668 00:29:21,343 --> 00:29:23,093 that as the conductor was bringing this 669 00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,721 to the attention of the FBI, 670 00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:27,264 the FBI actually thinks 671 00:29:27,308 --> 00:29:29,391 that d.B. Cooper landed six, 672 00:29:29,435 --> 00:29:31,810 or seven, or eight miles east 673 00:29:31,896 --> 00:29:33,103 of the railroad tracks. 674 00:29:34,857 --> 00:29:37,775 Eric: Today, we're gonna be doing half of the Meadow, 675 00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:39,777 because there's just too much territory 676 00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:40,986 to cover in one day. 677 00:29:41,071 --> 00:29:42,780 Tomorrow, we'll deal with the other half. 678 00:29:42,865 --> 00:29:45,616 That said, the search starts right here. 679 00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:47,743 Barry: There's gonna be four of US that really have to work 680 00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:49,870 as the actual line searchers. 681 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:52,122 These guys are gonna be a little bit more independent. 682 00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:56,251 Eric: I'll look along the edge here a bit. 683 00:29:56,337 --> 00:29:57,795 That's due north. 684 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,297 Eric: We need to work our way and go further north. 685 00:30:00,382 --> 00:30:01,965 Colin: It's more of like a pinpoint 686 00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:03,300 -so then it'll open up-- -Eric: Yeah. 687 00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:04,802 Colin: --It'll make it really sensitive 688 00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:06,470 so you pick up everything. -Your receiver, yeah. 689 00:30:06,514 --> 00:30:08,305 And then you can kind of do your crisscross... 690 00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:09,932 And if I left it on that, it would be like, woo. 691 00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:12,142 Colin: Exactly. -It's messed up. Okay. 692 00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:15,312 Eric: Somebody landing in some place like this 693 00:30:15,356 --> 00:30:17,815 in the middle of this thicket, that would be pretty brutal. 694 00:30:17,858 --> 00:30:19,149 I mean, I just don't see how you land 695 00:30:19,235 --> 00:30:20,776 in something like this 696 00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:22,820 without getting injured. 697 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,822 Fishburne: On the night d.B. Cooper jumped, 698 00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:27,825 moderate wind gust upwards of 11 miles per hour 699 00:30:27,868 --> 00:30:29,451 were reported on the ground 700 00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:31,829 with sporadic rainfall. 701 00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:34,456 When Cooper hit land, he would've experienced 702 00:30:34,542 --> 00:30:38,126 ground temperatures dropping into the 30s. 703 00:30:38,212 --> 00:30:39,503 Eric: It's so swampy right here. 704 00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:44,967 Eric: Is it dry over there, Jason, or... 705 00:30:45,052 --> 00:30:46,844 Jason: Yeah, if you come around the north side, 706 00:30:46,887 --> 00:30:49,596 follow the grass. 707 00:30:52,393 --> 00:30:54,476 Alex: Can I go forward and back a little bit? 708 00:30:57,231 --> 00:30:58,856 This could be promising. 709 00:30:58,899 --> 00:30:59,356 Found it. 710 00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:05,237 Jason: Yeah, if you come around the north side, 711 00:31:05,322 --> 00:31:06,697 follow the grass. 712 00:31:06,782 --> 00:31:08,740 Fishburne: Eric ulis and his search team 713 00:31:08,826 --> 00:31:10,742 are in a protected wildlife refuge 714 00:31:10,828 --> 00:31:12,703 in southwest Washington, 715 00:31:12,746 --> 00:31:15,372 searching for evidence that d.B. Cooper 716 00:31:15,416 --> 00:31:17,124 landed here. 717 00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:19,543 Halfway through searching a large Meadow area, 718 00:31:19,628 --> 00:31:22,212 they uncover something that could be connected 719 00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:23,881 with this unsolved myself. 720 00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:25,966 Alex: I think I pinpointed where it is. 721 00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:27,968 Fishburne: Cooper's nb6 parachute 722 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,887 had stainless steel parts. 723 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:31,346 Alex: Just, this must've been an old... 724 00:31:31,432 --> 00:31:33,265 So a hit on the metal detector 725 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:36,101 is encouraging news. 726 00:31:36,186 --> 00:31:37,895 Alex: Yeah, looks about it. 727 00:31:37,938 --> 00:31:39,438 It's either two separate objects 728 00:31:39,523 --> 00:31:42,399 or one slightly stretched out 729 00:31:42,443 --> 00:31:44,067 like the backpack I think would be. 730 00:31:44,153 --> 00:31:46,778 Eric: All right. We got something on the ground. 731 00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,280 Wow. So what does that mean 732 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,783 as far as, the size of the piece? 733 00:31:51,869 --> 00:31:53,869 Colin: With any metal detection, 734 00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:56,038 it's hard to get size 735 00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:57,581 until you start digging it up 736 00:31:57,666 --> 00:32:00,292 because you could have something really small 737 00:32:00,377 --> 00:32:02,294 that's really conductive right at surface 738 00:32:02,379 --> 00:32:05,422 and that's gonna give you a really solid response. 739 00:32:05,507 --> 00:32:07,257 But if you have something larger 740 00:32:07,343 --> 00:32:09,384 that-- that's at depth, it could actually give you a-- 741 00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:11,178 it'll give you a smaller response. 742 00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:13,931 And so it's just how close the object is to the sensors. 743 00:32:13,974 --> 00:32:15,557 Fishburne: Although the metal detector 744 00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:17,726 registered a strong hit, 745 00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:20,646 the size of the object, how conductive it is 746 00:32:20,731 --> 00:32:22,439 and how close it is to the surface, 747 00:32:22,524 --> 00:32:26,151 can all influence the strength of the signal. 748 00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:27,444 Alex: It seems really pinpointed 749 00:32:27,488 --> 00:32:30,822 at that little soft spot right there. 750 00:32:30,908 --> 00:32:32,366 I mean, that's a robust signal. 751 00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:34,451 I mean, clearly, there's something down there. 752 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,831 Colin: Well then maybe... 753 00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:40,832 Alex: There we are. 754 00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:44,002 Wire. -Colin: A wire. 755 00:32:44,088 --> 00:32:45,671 What kind of wire though? 756 00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:48,632 Parachute pull cord? 757 00:32:48,676 --> 00:32:51,677 Alex: So the wire has to stay on the ground, so... 758 00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:52,844 Eric: Let me-- let me try to see 759 00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:54,137 if I got cell service in here. 760 00:32:54,181 --> 00:32:56,098 I'll give Mark a really quick call. 761 00:32:57,309 --> 00:33:00,852 Mark Meltzer is an expert skydiver. 762 00:33:00,938 --> 00:33:02,646 He's gonna know this parachute 763 00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:04,147 inside and out. 764 00:33:04,191 --> 00:33:06,900 So, he's the perfect person to reach out to 765 00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:10,612 to see if he recognizes this piece of wire 766 00:33:10,698 --> 00:33:12,614 and if he thinks it has anything 767 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,200 to do with the parachute. 768 00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:16,660 Mark: Eric? -Eric: Hey, Mark. 769 00:33:16,745 --> 00:33:18,328 Yeah, it's Eric. So we found what appears 770 00:33:18,414 --> 00:33:21,373 to be like a wire, buried, 771 00:33:21,458 --> 00:33:23,333 kind of half buried in here. 772 00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:25,502 Is there any sort of wire? 773 00:33:25,546 --> 00:33:27,170 It's a little heavier Gauge wire, 774 00:33:27,256 --> 00:33:29,506 anything like that in the-- in the parachutes, 775 00:33:29,591 --> 00:33:32,342 either the reserve or the, the main 776 00:33:32,428 --> 00:33:33,927 that would-- that's consistent with that? 777 00:33:34,013 --> 00:33:35,554 Mark: In the pilot-- in the pilot chute, 778 00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:37,431 there's a spring, it's not stranded. 779 00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:39,558 It's solid wire, but it's springy. 780 00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:41,059 So what kind of Gauge are we talking about, 781 00:33:41,145 --> 00:33:42,894 relative to, like, the size 782 00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:46,231 of a, a hangar, for example? 783 00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:47,399 Mark: About the same. 784 00:33:47,484 --> 00:33:49,401 Okay. Is it okay if we take a picture 785 00:33:49,486 --> 00:33:50,694 and send the picture to you 786 00:33:50,738 --> 00:33:53,238 and just kind of get your impression? 787 00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:54,448 Mark: Yeah, that's fine. 788 00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:57,242 Okay. Hold on a second here, Mark. 789 00:33:57,327 --> 00:33:58,910 Mark: Is it-- is it rusty? 790 00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,787 Eric: I mean, it's not shiny, but it doesn't appear 791 00:34:00,873 --> 00:34:03,040 to be rusted to me, but... 792 00:34:04,001 --> 00:34:05,417 Let me send this over to you. 793 00:34:05,502 --> 00:34:07,335 Hopefully, it lets me 794 00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:08,920 send it out to you here. 795 00:34:09,006 --> 00:34:10,464 And then you can just shoot me a callback 796 00:34:10,549 --> 00:34:11,923 as soon as you have a chance to take a look at it. 797 00:34:12,009 --> 00:34:13,425 Mark: Okay. Try that. -All right. 798 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:15,218 Thanks, Mark. -Mark: All right. 799 00:34:15,304 --> 00:34:17,095 Eric: There's an old road in here, too, 800 00:34:17,181 --> 00:34:19,723 about a hundred yards in. 801 00:34:19,767 --> 00:34:21,933 - Man: -Eric: Had a gate on it even. 802 00:34:22,019 --> 00:34:25,771 Let's see what kind of metal they used on the fencing here. 803 00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:27,939 But that's what it looks like actually right there. 804 00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:29,232 Eric: Yeah. 805 00:34:29,318 --> 00:34:30,734 Barry: That's what it looks like. 806 00:34:30,778 --> 00:34:32,235 Yeah, as you can see down there-- down there, 807 00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:34,237 that's how they secure the post together 808 00:34:34,281 --> 00:34:36,281 and make them stand up. -Eric: Yeah. 809 00:34:36,366 --> 00:34:37,824 Barry: It looked just like that. 810 00:34:37,910 --> 00:34:41,787 It looked just like that, exactly like that. 811 00:34:41,872 --> 00:34:44,289 Alex: At least we have an idea of what it is now, so-- 812 00:34:44,374 --> 00:34:46,917 yeah, that appears to be the case. 813 00:34:47,002 --> 00:34:49,920 I was hoping that we would have found something 814 00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:52,464 a little bit more concrete at this point. 815 00:34:52,549 --> 00:34:54,716 We've only got more day left 816 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,259 to search the refuge, 817 00:34:56,345 --> 00:34:58,970 then it's onto searching the private property. 818 00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:04,684 Fishburne: While Eric and the team call it a day, 819 00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:07,062 retired FBI agent, Mary Jean fryar, 820 00:35:07,147 --> 00:35:09,189 is in Santa Rosa. 821 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:11,483 She's spoken with Sheridan Peterson. 822 00:35:11,568 --> 00:35:13,318 Eric's key person of interest. 823 00:35:13,403 --> 00:35:15,862 And now, she said she has even more reason 824 00:35:15,948 --> 00:35:19,741 to believe he could be d.B. Cooper. 825 00:35:19,785 --> 00:35:21,993 In September, I received 826 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,246 communication from Sheridan Peterson, 827 00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,956 which was very strange. 828 00:35:25,999 --> 00:35:28,166 I've never had another person I've ever interviewed 829 00:35:28,252 --> 00:35:30,085 in my 21.4 years 830 00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:31,837 ever contact me again. 831 00:35:31,922 --> 00:35:33,880 And he sent me two messages 832 00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:36,258 about things that were upsetting him 833 00:35:36,343 --> 00:35:39,845 and signed them both d.B. 834 00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,557 I think Sheridan loves the simulation, 835 00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:46,017 the engagement, the thrill of him 836 00:35:46,103 --> 00:35:48,645 being a suspect as d.B. Cooper. 837 00:35:48,689 --> 00:35:50,647 Ashley: Do you think that he could be d.B. Cooper? 838 00:35:50,691 --> 00:35:52,983 Yeah, I do. 839 00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:54,568 Fishburne: To prepare for her meeting, 840 00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:57,070 Mary Jean watches an interview Sheridan did 841 00:35:57,156 --> 00:36:00,407 for a 2016 documentary. 842 00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,868 In it, Sheridan acknowledges he sky jumped 843 00:36:02,953 --> 00:36:04,703 at issaquah skyport, 844 00:36:04,788 --> 00:36:07,038 the place that supplied the parachutes d.B. Cooper 845 00:36:07,124 --> 00:36:11,668 requested during flight 305 skyjacking. 846 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:13,712 Sheridan: I was the most obvious, 847 00:36:13,797 --> 00:36:16,214 suspect of anyone. 848 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,009 I have jumped in issaquah 849 00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:22,095 and I got my instructor's license there. 850 00:36:22,181 --> 00:36:27,309 And that is where the guy got the parachutes 851 00:36:27,394 --> 00:36:30,061 and I had worked for, um, boeing. 852 00:36:30,147 --> 00:36:31,605 Mary Jean: He's building a very good case 853 00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:33,023 against himself. 854 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:36,860 Sheridan: She said, "where were you?" 855 00:36:36,904 --> 00:36:38,695 And I said, "I was in the park." 856 00:36:38,739 --> 00:36:40,447 "In the park. Come on. 857 00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:42,782 You can think of a better one then." 858 00:36:42,868 --> 00:36:44,534 No, I did not say that. 859 00:36:44,578 --> 00:36:46,036 And they didn't keep track of people 860 00:36:46,121 --> 00:36:47,746 going back and forth from the country. 861 00:36:47,831 --> 00:36:49,122 If he was there, that's great. 862 00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:51,041 But, that doesn't prove that he was there. 863 00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:53,293 Sheridan: And then I told them, I said, 864 00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:55,378 "he had four parachutes." 865 00:36:55,464 --> 00:36:58,506 He had one parachute with a red x cross 866 00:36:58,592 --> 00:36:59,758 and that was a reserve. 867 00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:03,053 Another reserve was perfectly good. 868 00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,430 Which reserve do you take? 869 00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:08,266 The one that was Daisy-chained. I remember that one. 870 00:37:08,352 --> 00:37:10,393 This is interesting that he's so detailed. 871 00:37:10,479 --> 00:37:12,729 Man: Took more than taking the right parachute, 872 00:37:12,814 --> 00:37:15,440 it also meant that the person would have to know 873 00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:17,776 those stairs come down on the 727. 874 00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:19,277 Sheridan: I wouldn't know what's on the-- 875 00:37:19,363 --> 00:37:20,779 man: So that's what i-- that's what I'm saying, 876 00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:22,280 so anybody is saying that you would've been 877 00:37:22,366 --> 00:37:23,949 a great d.B. Cooper, 878 00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:25,825 not if you didn't know how to get off the airplane. 879 00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:27,619 Yeah. 880 00:37:27,704 --> 00:37:29,037 That made him nervous, you know, 881 00:37:29,122 --> 00:37:30,121 with that conversation. 882 00:37:30,207 --> 00:37:31,623 Didn't know about the stairs 883 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,292 and he's kind of fidgeting with his cup. 884 00:37:34,378 --> 00:37:37,629 Man: And did you ever hear from Mary Jean again? 885 00:37:37,714 --> 00:37:40,924 She came back for some reason 886 00:37:41,009 --> 00:37:44,511 and told me that, there's no match. 887 00:37:44,596 --> 00:37:46,137 Well, it's very fortunate for me. 888 00:37:46,223 --> 00:37:47,806 Mary Jean: I'm about to go see Sheridan Peterson 889 00:37:47,891 --> 00:37:50,141 for the first time since 2003 890 00:37:50,227 --> 00:37:52,310 and I'm hoping that maybe at this point, 891 00:37:52,396 --> 00:37:55,105 he's finally ready to accept 892 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:57,148 that he's gonna tell US that he's d.B. Cooper. 893 00:37:57,234 --> 00:37:58,400 Don't take it to your death. 894 00:37:58,443 --> 00:37:59,776 Set the record straight. 895 00:37:59,861 --> 00:38:02,320 Put this to rest so that everyone can appreciate 896 00:38:02,406 --> 00:38:03,863 what you did and got away with, 897 00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:06,616 and not let anyone else take credit for it. 898 00:38:11,707 --> 00:38:14,082 Fishburne: With their permit expired at the refuge, 899 00:38:14,167 --> 00:38:17,294 Eric and his team arrive at their final search zone, 900 00:38:17,379 --> 00:38:20,630 a ravine on private property. 901 00:38:20,674 --> 00:38:22,173 It's on lake river 902 00:38:22,259 --> 00:38:24,009 and Eric believes Cooper could have used it 903 00:38:24,094 --> 00:38:26,970 for cover as he made his way to tena bar 904 00:38:27,055 --> 00:38:29,639 where some ransom money was uncovered in 1980. 905 00:38:29,725 --> 00:38:31,141 Eric: How's it going, man? -It's going good. 906 00:38:31,226 --> 00:38:32,809 Good to see you. -Eric: Good to see as well. 907 00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:34,936 Man: Yup. Yup. How you doing? 908 00:38:35,022 --> 00:38:37,564 Good morning. So my name is Eric. 909 00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:39,816 Barry, I wanna thank you very much for, um, 910 00:38:39,901 --> 00:38:41,735 getting these group of people together 911 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,445 and why don't you give me an idea of who we've got here? 912 00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:45,155 Because clearly we have two different teams. 913 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,490 We have, as you see by the different colors of blue 914 00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:49,909 and the red, so, I'm with the southwest Washington 915 00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:51,119 search and rescue 916 00:38:51,204 --> 00:38:53,163 and, these folks here in the red 917 00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:55,623 are with the Clark county sheriff's office. 918 00:38:55,709 --> 00:38:57,834 Eric: How many of you have actually heard 919 00:38:57,919 --> 00:39:00,712 of d.B. Cooper or haven't heard of d.B. Cooper 920 00:39:00,797 --> 00:39:02,672 who are familiar with the case? 921 00:39:02,758 --> 00:39:04,299 Eric: I know you guys are. 922 00:39:04,384 --> 00:39:05,633 It'd be more surprising if somebody 923 00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:07,844 hadn't ever heard of that. -Yeah. 924 00:39:07,888 --> 00:39:10,138 I'd know. 925 00:39:10,223 --> 00:39:12,515 I'm from the east coast, so this is-- 926 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,017 i-- I've read a little bit about it 927 00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:15,852 and thought it was interesting and being here 928 00:39:15,937 --> 00:39:17,020 with the rest of the team is, 929 00:39:17,064 --> 00:39:19,189 it's exciting and it's fun. 930 00:39:19,232 --> 00:39:21,024 So, um, you know, hopefully 931 00:39:21,068 --> 00:39:22,525 we do come across something 932 00:39:22,611 --> 00:39:23,818 and, you know, get to learn a little bit more 933 00:39:23,904 --> 00:39:26,154 about the pacific northwest legend. 934 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,197 Eric: There's a lot of evidence 935 00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:29,783 that suggests that d.B. Cooper 936 00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,702 landed somewhere in this vicinity. 937 00:39:32,788 --> 00:39:35,121 We did some searching on the refuge side 938 00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:36,748 of lake river. 939 00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:39,626 Now it's time to focus on this side of lake river. 940 00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:41,544 My thought is that Cooper, 941 00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:44,005 you know, if he landed in this area here, 942 00:39:44,091 --> 00:39:46,508 would have, you know, walked his way down 943 00:39:46,593 --> 00:39:48,927 to the ravine looking for a path 944 00:39:49,012 --> 00:39:50,095 out of the area, 945 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,889 a path toward he railroad tracks. 946 00:39:52,933 --> 00:39:56,184 Fishburne: Today's search will cover over 12 acres. 947 00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:58,436 So they've doubled their search team. 948 00:39:58,522 --> 00:40:01,523 Each member is outfitted with a GPS tracker 949 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:04,275 and monitored from a mobile command center. 950 00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:06,569 Eric: All right. Folks, we ready? 951 00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:09,030 Fishburne: If evidence of d.B. Cooper is here, 952 00:40:09,116 --> 00:40:11,199 Eric's confident his team can find it. 953 00:40:17,666 --> 00:40:18,748 Man: Right side good? 954 00:40:18,792 --> 00:40:19,791 Eric: Right good. 955 00:40:19,876 --> 00:40:21,418 Left side. -Left side good. 956 00:40:21,503 --> 00:40:24,129 Man: Okay. Moving. All right. Slow, methodical. 957 00:40:24,214 --> 00:40:27,090 Eric: Just follow this ravine straight down. 958 00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:29,717 Man: Low and slow, folks. Low and slow. 959 00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:30,927 Make sure you clear under trees 960 00:40:31,012 --> 00:40:32,595 and things like that. 961 00:40:34,015 --> 00:40:36,182 Look up every once in a while. 962 00:40:36,268 --> 00:40:38,268 Woman: Yeah, look behind you, too. 963 00:40:38,353 --> 00:40:40,603 Man: And you can break as much as you need to. 964 00:40:40,689 --> 00:40:43,273 Okay. We got permission. 965 00:40:43,358 --> 00:40:44,566 Eric: Keep going. Yeah, looking good. 966 00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:45,817 Man: Keep going. -Eric: Think, 967 00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:47,610 where would I hide a parachute? 968 00:40:49,197 --> 00:40:50,488 One other thing to consider as I look 969 00:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,282 at these trees up here, 970 00:40:52,325 --> 00:40:55,118 one of the premier suspects 971 00:40:55,203 --> 00:40:58,163 in this case was actually a smokejumper. 972 00:40:58,248 --> 00:41:00,457 If he happened to land in this type of environment, 973 00:41:00,542 --> 00:41:01,916 he would have known exactly what to do 974 00:41:02,002 --> 00:41:03,293 and how to handle the situation 975 00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:05,211 if he had caught up in these trees, you know, 976 00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:06,629 60, 70 feet up. 977 00:41:06,715 --> 00:41:08,131 We know that he had a pocket knife on him 978 00:41:08,216 --> 00:41:09,507 and how he actually used that 979 00:41:09,593 --> 00:41:11,301 to cut some of the shroud lines. 980 00:41:11,386 --> 00:41:13,136 So, he would have figured out a way to get down. 981 00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:16,848 It wouldn't have been an issue for him. 982 00:41:16,933 --> 00:41:18,099 Man: Yeah, something. 983 00:41:18,185 --> 00:41:19,851 Barry: They got, something. 984 00:41:19,936 --> 00:41:22,020 They're digging in something over there, Eric. I'm not sure. 985 00:41:22,105 --> 00:41:23,646 Colin: Eric, do you wanna come over here? 986 00:41:23,732 --> 00:41:25,148 Eric: Yeah. Hold on. 987 00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,567 Woman: Right. Holding. 988 00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:29,486 Yes. That's the same area. 989 00:41:31,031 --> 00:41:33,239 Hold this. 990 00:41:33,325 --> 00:41:37,285 The wine bottle like the piece of aluminum. 991 00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:38,828 Yeah, I think that's all it is. 992 00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:40,497 Eric: Yeah, some cork on it. Yeah, it's definitely 993 00:41:40,582 --> 00:41:43,166 like a top of a wine cork. 994 00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,542 We know the guy was drinking. 995 00:41:44,628 --> 00:41:47,337 Um, had a bourbon on the flight, you know. 996 00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:48,796 This is one of those things I'm just curious 997 00:41:48,882 --> 00:41:50,548 if he took a couple. -Colin: Yeah. 998 00:41:50,634 --> 00:41:52,342 Yeah. I mean you never know he's got many bottles 999 00:41:52,427 --> 00:41:54,844 with him you don't know, so it'd be the kind items 1000 00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:57,680 to save, for the heck of it, 1001 00:41:57,766 --> 00:41:59,474 but, yeah. 1002 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,518 Seems unlikely that there's any significance, 1003 00:42:01,603 --> 00:42:05,480 but, an idea... -Colin: Gives an idea of how-- 1004 00:42:05,565 --> 00:42:06,731 how sensitive this instrument is. 1005 00:42:06,816 --> 00:42:08,358 Eric: Yeah. All right. 1006 00:42:08,401 --> 00:42:10,318 Colin: We'll continue. -Eric: Let's just pocket that 1007 00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:11,945 and we'll continue, yeah. 1008 00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:13,988 Colin: Does that look like something part of a plane? 1009 00:42:19,663 --> 00:42:22,205 Cabinet or something? 1010 00:42:22,249 --> 00:42:25,124 Hey, Eric. -Eric: Yeah. 1011 00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:27,335 Do you wanna come here for a second? 1012 00:42:27,379 --> 00:42:29,128 Eric: Yeah. -Colin: Large metal box 1013 00:42:29,214 --> 00:42:31,589 and I assume somebody's filled it with rocks, 1014 00:42:31,675 --> 00:42:33,258 but I just wanna make sure that... 1015 00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:35,093 You don't have any... -Eric: I'm gonna 1016 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:36,302 with me. You see it anywhere. 1017 00:42:36,388 --> 00:42:37,554 Colin: This right here. 1018 00:42:37,597 --> 00:42:39,055 Yeah. Yeah. That's the kind of thing 1019 00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:41,391 that-- I don't know how it ended up here, 1020 00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:43,351 but it's certainly not associated with the parachute 1021 00:42:43,436 --> 00:42:44,686 or anything like that. -Colin: Yeah. 1022 00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:45,937 And it's not associated with anything... 1023 00:42:46,022 --> 00:42:47,480 Nothing that I'm aware of, yeah. 1024 00:42:47,566 --> 00:42:49,524 It doesn't-- it's certainly much bigger 1025 00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:51,359 than the attache case would have been. 1026 00:42:51,444 --> 00:42:53,236 It looks just-- up here, it looks to me 1027 00:42:53,321 --> 00:42:56,072 just like a, you know, old metal box, so... 1028 00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:58,074 Colin: Yeah. It's an old metal box, yeah. 1029 00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,701 Yeah. Okay. 1030 00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:02,245 All right. Good to check out though. 1031 00:43:05,667 --> 00:43:08,293 Fishburne: Although they've yet to find definitive evidence, 1032 00:43:08,378 --> 00:43:11,546 the search team has recovered a few items of interest, 1033 00:43:11,631 --> 00:43:13,214 including this small Gauge wire 1034 00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:14,757 which could have been part 1035 00:43:14,843 --> 00:43:17,051 of the nb6 parachute. 1036 00:43:17,137 --> 00:43:18,928 They also found nylon rope 1037 00:43:19,014 --> 00:43:20,471 hanging from a tree 1038 00:43:20,557 --> 00:43:23,308 and aluminum that could be from beverages 1039 00:43:23,393 --> 00:43:25,727 served on flight 305. 1040 00:43:28,023 --> 00:43:30,898 Eric: A few, you know, falls positive, so to speak, 1041 00:43:30,984 --> 00:43:33,109 it helps keep a little fresh in your mind 1042 00:43:33,194 --> 00:43:35,236 that this is a very real case. 1043 00:43:35,322 --> 00:43:37,071 This guy really did really exist. 1044 00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:39,616 He really did jump somewhere in this area. 1045 00:43:39,701 --> 00:43:42,243 Those parachutes are somewhere in this vicinity, 1046 00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:44,454 and it's just a matter of finding them. 1047 00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:52,712 Fishburne: Investigator Eric ulis is on the last day 1048 00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:55,965 of his search for evidence that could solve 1049 00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:58,468 the mystery of d.B. Cooper. 1050 00:43:58,553 --> 00:44:01,721 Eric believes the FBI got it wrong 1051 00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:04,474 and Cooper actually landed eight miles west 1052 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,602 of law enforcement's original search zone. 1053 00:44:07,646 --> 00:44:10,146 If he can find any sign of Cooper, 1054 00:44:10,231 --> 00:44:12,607 it would prove he survived the jump, 1055 00:44:12,692 --> 00:44:15,109 and may be alive today. 1056 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,198 Woman: I wonder what this area looked like 1057 00:44:20,283 --> 00:44:21,991 for 48 years ago. 1058 00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:24,327 Eric: I think it looked just like this. 1059 00:44:24,412 --> 00:44:26,412 Fishburne: The ravine the team's searching 1060 00:44:26,498 --> 00:44:30,166 has remained untouched by loggers for 50 years. 1061 00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:31,793 Eric believes decades of overgrowth 1062 00:44:31,878 --> 00:44:35,004 could have helped preserve evidence. 1063 00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:37,465 There's an awful lot of vegetation, 1064 00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:38,841 and this is exactly the kind of area 1065 00:44:38,927 --> 00:44:40,677 that we would expect to find something 1066 00:44:40,762 --> 00:44:43,596 if he was in this area and happened to stash up. 1067 00:44:43,682 --> 00:44:45,515 Woman: It wouldn't be fun to land a parachute in. 1068 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,350 Eric: Yeah. -Woman: You'd get caught up. 1069 00:44:47,435 --> 00:44:49,185 Eric: This is actually a pretty long property. 1070 00:44:49,229 --> 00:44:50,978 Is it a long line? -Man: Yeah, we're about 1071 00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:53,314 a fifth of the way right now. -Eric: Wow. 1072 00:44:55,902 --> 00:44:57,026 Watch to your right, folks. 1073 00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:58,277 Don't outwalk your flanks. 1074 00:44:58,363 --> 00:44:59,654 Hey, Joe. -Joe: Yeah. 1075 00:44:59,698 --> 00:45:01,364 Eric: See that big tree on the other side 1076 00:45:01,408 --> 00:45:03,032 of that ravine right there? 1077 00:45:03,118 --> 00:45:05,243 That one right there? Yeah. -Eric: So once we get to that, 1078 00:45:05,328 --> 00:45:06,869 we wanna spread out to the right. 1079 00:45:06,955 --> 00:45:09,706 Joe: Okay. There you go, Eric. -Eric: All right. 1080 00:45:09,791 --> 00:45:10,998 Barry: All right. -Eric: So you tug like this? 1081 00:45:11,084 --> 00:45:12,166 Barry: There you go. Yeah. 1082 00:45:12,252 --> 00:45:13,501 And it'd catch you if you fall, yeah. 1083 00:45:13,586 --> 00:45:15,211 Man: Excellent. -Barry: There you go. 1084 00:45:15,255 --> 00:45:17,672 Eric: All right. This one's still like that. 1085 00:45:17,757 --> 00:45:18,798 Man: All right. -Man: All right. 1086 00:45:18,883 --> 00:45:20,174 Man: Good job. 1087 00:45:22,303 --> 00:45:25,722 Woman: $200,000 in 1971, what would be the value 1088 00:45:25,765 --> 00:45:28,224 of that today? -Man: It would be 1.2 million 1089 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:30,601 -today. So, he'd be-- -woman: Wow. 1090 00:45:30,687 --> 00:45:32,478 Man: --Be a millionaire in today's dollar. 1091 00:45:32,564 --> 00:45:34,063 Woman: All of that for one million? 1092 00:45:34,149 --> 00:45:36,441 Eric: The FBI's never been able to prove one way 1093 00:45:36,526 --> 00:45:39,444 or the other whether any of the ransom was spent. 1094 00:45:39,529 --> 00:45:42,739 If d.B. Cooper did actually spend his money, 1095 00:45:42,782 --> 00:45:45,158 my research indicates that there would be approximately 1096 00:45:45,243 --> 00:45:47,785 50 of those bills still out there 1097 00:45:47,871 --> 00:45:50,413 in circulation today. 1098 00:45:50,498 --> 00:45:53,249 There is a very strong chance 1099 00:45:53,334 --> 00:45:56,753 that someone out there right now has 1100 00:45:56,838 --> 00:46:00,089 one of those bills, but they just don't know it. 1101 00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:01,424 As you can see here, 1102 00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:04,761 this is not a complete $20 bill. 1103 00:46:04,846 --> 00:46:07,722 In fact, I estimate that what we're looking at is only about 1104 00:46:07,807 --> 00:46:11,601 25% of the original bill. 1105 00:46:13,146 --> 00:46:14,729 Fishburne: After a difficult grid search, 1106 00:46:14,814 --> 00:46:17,940 the team finally reaches the ravine. 1107 00:46:18,026 --> 00:46:19,650 Barry: Okay, guys. You're gonna have to-- 1108 00:46:19,736 --> 00:46:21,778 a little slower. It's a little bit more brushier here 1109 00:46:21,863 --> 00:46:23,738 for both sides, so... 1110 00:46:23,782 --> 00:46:26,032 Fishburne: From here, Eric believes 1111 00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:29,118 Cooper could hear trains running on the bnsf 1112 00:46:29,162 --> 00:46:33,498 railway tracks, tracks leading to tena bar. 1113 00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,043 Eric: Look at right here right in front of you. 1114 00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:40,546 Woman: There's some white something here. 1115 00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:41,589 I don't know. 1116 00:46:47,514 --> 00:46:49,597 Man: The material is interesting. 1117 00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:51,808 Eric: We have a parachute expert. 1118 00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:54,644 Um, I'm gonna, well, ask him about it. 1119 00:46:54,687 --> 00:46:56,562 Man: Where'd you find it? -Eric: Just right under 1120 00:46:56,648 --> 00:46:58,439 the log here. 1121 00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:06,197 Man: It looks like a mixed material, 1122 00:47:06,282 --> 00:47:07,615 some of which could be on a parachute's... 1123 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,158 Eric: I'll ask the expert and-- 1124 00:47:09,244 --> 00:47:10,660 man: Yeah. -Eric: --He'll be able to tell 1125 00:47:10,745 --> 00:47:12,495 US definitively. -Man: Something with tension. 1126 00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:14,664 This had to be on something with some serious tension. 1127 00:47:14,707 --> 00:47:17,416 The team sets up a GPS locator on the spot 1128 00:47:17,502 --> 00:47:19,836 where the cloth fragment was found 1129 00:47:19,921 --> 00:47:23,673 to provide coordinates they can plot on a map. 1130 00:47:23,758 --> 00:47:26,384 Eric: The situation we find ourselves in right now 1131 00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:29,220 is rare, unique in a very limited time. 1132 00:47:29,305 --> 00:47:32,473 So, we just cannot afford to pass up on situations like this. 1133 00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,016 We have to thoroughly vet this. 1134 00:47:34,102 --> 00:47:36,561 We have to figure out what we're working with here 1135 00:47:36,646 --> 00:47:38,271 because this may be it. 1136 00:47:38,356 --> 00:47:41,023 This may be the one final golden opportunity 1137 00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:42,859 to figure out once and for all 1138 00:47:42,944 --> 00:47:44,652 what happened to d.B. Cooper. 1139 00:47:44,737 --> 00:47:46,487 We'll get it checked out. We'll see what the-- 1140 00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:49,031 Barry: Yup. -Eric: --Expert says. 1141 00:47:49,117 --> 00:47:50,825 Man: Yeah. We'll see. 1142 00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:53,202 Fishburne: Could this fabric be part of d.B. Cooper's 1143 00:47:53,288 --> 00:47:54,662 missing parachutes? 1144 00:47:56,916 --> 00:47:59,542 Eric: It appears to be nylon and canvas, 1145 00:47:59,627 --> 00:48:00,877 which looked very durable. 1146 00:48:00,962 --> 00:48:03,212 It resembled a piece of a parachute. 1147 00:48:03,298 --> 00:48:06,382 It certainly looked like it could be, but I'm not sure. 1148 00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:08,175 So, now that we've got the piece in hand, 1149 00:48:08,261 --> 00:48:09,594 we've marked where we found it, 1150 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:11,470 we'll present it to our parachute expert, 1151 00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:13,723 Mark Meltzer, and he'll be able to tell US 1152 00:48:13,766 --> 00:48:16,058 definitively whether or not this is a piece of a parachute 1153 00:48:16,102 --> 00:48:16,851 or not. 1154 00:48:19,188 --> 00:48:21,606 Fishburne: To learn more about the fabric he found, 1155 00:48:21,691 --> 00:48:25,359 Eric heads to la to meet with Mark Meltzer. 1156 00:48:25,445 --> 00:48:26,944 Eric: Not only is he very knowledgeable 1157 00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:29,572 about the Cooper case, he's also got something like 1158 00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:31,949 1,500, 2,000 parachute jumps. 1159 00:48:32,035 --> 00:48:33,826 It gives US the opportunity to give him 1160 00:48:33,912 --> 00:48:36,037 that piece of evidence that we found 1161 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,289 during the search, see if he thinks 1162 00:48:38,374 --> 00:48:40,499 that could possibly come from a parachute, 1163 00:48:40,585 --> 00:48:42,752 either the main parachute or the reserve parachute 1164 00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:44,295 or something else. 1165 00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:48,925 And he actually personally knows Sheridan Peterson. 1166 00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:51,469 I wanted to start out talking to you a little bit 1167 00:48:51,554 --> 00:48:54,180 about d.B. Cooper's skill level 1168 00:48:54,265 --> 00:48:56,015 with respect to parachutes given everything 1169 00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:58,559 you know about this case specifically in skydiving 1170 00:48:58,645 --> 00:49:00,061 in particular. -What indicates to me 1171 00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:02,980 that he probably had some experience 1172 00:49:03,066 --> 00:49:04,231 with military parachute gear 1173 00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:07,360 is the type of main parachute rigs 1174 00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:10,780 that were brought to him were either Navy nb6 1175 00:49:10,865 --> 00:49:14,617 or nb8 containers and harnesses and parachute 1176 00:49:14,702 --> 00:49:16,369 instructions were brought to the plane, 1177 00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:17,954 printed instructions on how to use the gear. 1178 00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:19,789 He didn't need them. And Tina mucklow, 1179 00:49:19,832 --> 00:49:22,833 the stewardess that spent the most time with Cooper, 1180 00:49:22,919 --> 00:49:25,628 noted Cooper taking out a packing card out 1181 00:49:25,713 --> 00:49:26,963 of one of the parachute rigs. 1182 00:49:27,048 --> 00:49:30,341 And to me, that's a huge clue that Cooper 1183 00:49:30,426 --> 00:49:32,301 was most likely a skydiver. 1184 00:49:32,387 --> 00:49:34,637 I mean, skydivers know what a packing card is. 1185 00:49:34,722 --> 00:49:37,306 Nobody else does. Very well concealed. 1186 00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:40,434 So, if Cooper actually found the packing card 1187 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,354 and knew how to put on an nb8 or nb6, 1188 00:49:43,439 --> 00:49:46,774 that's very telling. -Eric: We did find something 1189 00:49:46,818 --> 00:49:50,152 that may or may not be related to a parachute. 1190 00:49:50,238 --> 00:49:52,822 Mark: I'd like to see it. -Eric: I'll take it out. 1191 00:49:52,907 --> 00:49:54,281 Get this open here. 1192 00:50:05,586 --> 00:50:08,796 Mark: Well, it's interesting and it has sort of a ripstop 1193 00:50:08,881 --> 00:50:11,340 weave in the-- in the fabric material here, 1194 00:50:11,384 --> 00:50:13,009 the porous fabric material. 1195 00:50:13,094 --> 00:50:14,969 It has nylon webbing. 1196 00:50:15,013 --> 00:50:17,054 And I see nothing in the materials 1197 00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:20,641 that's inconsistent with the late '60s, early '70s. 1198 00:50:26,858 --> 00:50:29,775 Fishburne: Investigator Eric ulis is in Los Angeles 1199 00:50:29,861 --> 00:50:32,695 meeting with parachute expert, Mark Meltzer. 1200 00:50:32,739 --> 00:50:34,530 He hopes Mark can shed light 1201 00:50:34,615 --> 00:50:37,533 on a piece of possible evidence. 1202 00:50:37,618 --> 00:50:39,535 Eric: Looking for the missing parachute, 1203 00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:44,040 we did find something that may or may not be related 1204 00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:45,499 to a parachute. 1205 00:50:56,471 --> 00:50:58,429 Mark: Well, it's interesting and that it has sort 1206 00:50:58,514 --> 00:51:00,890 of a ripstop, weave in the-- 1207 00:51:00,975 --> 00:51:03,893 in the fabric material here, the porous fabric material. 1208 00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:05,728 It has nylon webbing. 1209 00:51:05,772 --> 00:51:07,938 Fishburne: A ripstop weave is commonly found 1210 00:51:08,024 --> 00:51:10,941 in fabrics made to resist tearing. 1211 00:51:11,027 --> 00:51:14,070 Yarns are interwoven at regular intervals 1212 00:51:14,155 --> 00:51:16,405 in a crosshatch pattern. 1213 00:51:16,449 --> 00:51:19,408 Mark: I see nothing in the materials that's inconsistent 1214 00:51:19,494 --> 00:51:21,744 with the late '60s, early'70s. 1215 00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:24,205 But it's not the right color for a military parachute gear. 1216 00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:27,583 This is a turquoise blue and it apparently has leather 1217 00:51:27,627 --> 00:51:30,836 over-sewn on the perimeter of the, thing. 1218 00:51:30,922 --> 00:51:34,048 And there is no leather on the-- on the type of gear that Cooper 1219 00:51:34,092 --> 00:51:35,925 jumped with. It does have components 1220 00:51:36,010 --> 00:51:37,134 in common with a parachute gear. 1221 00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:38,469 There's nylon webbing. 1222 00:51:38,554 --> 00:51:40,930 It has some sort of ripstop weave fabric. 1223 00:51:41,015 --> 00:51:42,640 But I can say with a hundred percent certainty 1224 00:51:42,725 --> 00:51:45,226 that this was not from d.B. Cooper's parachute gear. 1225 00:51:45,269 --> 00:51:46,602 So you've pretty much established 1226 00:51:46,687 --> 00:51:49,230 that it's absolutely not related 1227 00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:51,774 to the parachute that he jumped with. 1228 00:51:51,859 --> 00:51:53,609 What's the possibility that there's some sort of 1229 00:51:53,694 --> 00:51:56,278 relation to the dummy reserve parachute? 1230 00:51:56,322 --> 00:51:57,947 Yeah. That's an interesting question, Eric. 1231 00:51:58,032 --> 00:52:01,075 I've seen some crude things done to those trainee reserves 1232 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,911 that the only thing you want to do is have it be able 1233 00:52:03,955 --> 00:52:06,122 to be deployed and packed up really quickly. 1234 00:52:06,207 --> 00:52:07,623 So, they cut panels out. 1235 00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:09,834 They sometimes cut some of the suspension lines off. 1236 00:52:09,919 --> 00:52:11,794 It doesn't have to be done to faa specs. 1237 00:52:11,879 --> 00:52:14,839 And so, I can't definitively say this wasn't part 1238 00:52:14,924 --> 00:52:16,132 of a trainee reserve. 1239 00:52:16,217 --> 00:52:17,341 I think it's unlikely. 1240 00:52:17,426 --> 00:52:19,426 But I certainly can't rule it out. 1241 00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:20,803 Eric: This is very exciting for me 1242 00:52:20,888 --> 00:52:22,471 because there's a possibility 1243 00:52:22,557 --> 00:52:25,141 that this piece could be part 1244 00:52:25,184 --> 00:52:28,185 of the modification that was made 1245 00:52:28,271 --> 00:52:29,979 to the dummy reserve parachute. 1246 00:52:30,064 --> 00:52:32,648 You personally know Sheridan Peterson. 1247 00:52:32,692 --> 00:52:35,442 What are your overall impressions of Peterson 1248 00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:40,322 as they pertain to the possibility of this guy 1249 00:52:40,366 --> 00:52:42,992 being the real d.B. Cooper? 1250 00:52:43,035 --> 00:52:47,872 Sheridan Peterson is absolutely a qualified candidate. 1251 00:52:47,957 --> 00:52:51,000 There is no aspect to that jump that he wasn't a master of. 1252 00:52:51,043 --> 00:52:54,336 He knew how to jump into the wilderness and egress. 1253 00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:56,005 Do I think he's d.B. Cooper? 1254 00:52:56,048 --> 00:52:57,298 I just don't know. 1255 00:53:02,305 --> 00:53:03,637 Fishburne: To further his investigation, 1256 00:53:03,723 --> 00:53:07,308 Eric ulis next visits Claire Peterson, 1257 00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:09,685 Sheridan Peterson's first wife. 1258 00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:11,812 He hopes she may have some insight into whether 1259 00:53:11,856 --> 00:53:14,523 Sheridan could've pulled off the skyjacking. 1260 00:53:14,609 --> 00:53:18,027 She also has details about Sheridan's second wife, 1261 00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:21,488 the key person who could corroborate his alibi. 1262 00:53:21,532 --> 00:53:23,741 Eric: Sheridan has three children, 1263 00:53:23,826 --> 00:53:25,701 all grown, with Claire. 1264 00:53:25,786 --> 00:53:27,536 They were married in the '50s 1265 00:53:27,622 --> 00:53:30,539 and divorced in 1962 1266 00:53:30,625 --> 00:53:34,627 which is right before Sheridan moved up to Seattle 1267 00:53:34,712 --> 00:53:36,212 and got the job at boeing. 1268 00:53:36,255 --> 00:53:39,089 Actually Sheridan started working at boeing 1269 00:53:39,175 --> 00:53:40,799 in may of 1962. 1270 00:53:40,885 --> 00:53:44,595 So, they went their separate ways right before that. 1271 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,556 So, this is gonna be fascinating to speak with Claire 1272 00:53:47,642 --> 00:53:49,850 about her time with Sheridan. 1273 00:53:49,936 --> 00:53:52,728 Claire Peterson was interviewed 1274 00:53:52,772 --> 00:53:55,898 by the FBI in 1974 1275 00:53:55,942 --> 00:53:58,567 about Sheridan and about this case. 1276 00:53:58,653 --> 00:54:01,946 And at that time, Sheridan was living in Asia. 1277 00:54:02,031 --> 00:54:07,076 So, she knew as of 1974 that Sheridan was a suspect 1278 00:54:07,161 --> 00:54:09,578 in the d.B. Cooper skyjacking. 1279 00:54:09,664 --> 00:54:12,831 Sheridan was 45 at the time of the skyjacking. 1280 00:54:12,917 --> 00:54:15,042 And Eric believes his appearance is similar 1281 00:54:15,086 --> 00:54:18,295 to the original sketch of d.B. Cooper. 1282 00:54:18,381 --> 00:54:20,756 Sheridan lived in Seattle prior to the skyjacking 1283 00:54:20,841 --> 00:54:23,467 and was photographed in a suit and tie 1284 00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:26,428 while posing as a skydiver. 1285 00:54:26,514 --> 00:54:27,721 As a boeing employee, 1286 00:54:27,765 --> 00:54:29,556 it's also likely that Sheridan knew 1287 00:54:29,642 --> 00:54:32,268 the inner workings of the boeing 727. 1288 00:54:32,311 --> 00:54:35,562 And finally, Eric does not believe that Sheridan's alibi 1289 00:54:35,648 --> 00:54:38,732 can be corroborated for the time of the skyjacking. 1290 00:54:53,499 --> 00:54:55,124 Eric: Hi, Claire. -Claire: Hi. 1291 00:54:55,209 --> 00:54:56,792 Eric: Hi. Eric ulis. -Claire: You must be Eric. 1292 00:54:56,836 --> 00:54:59,086 Eric: I am Eric. How are you? -Claire: Fine. Thank you. 1293 00:54:59,171 --> 00:55:01,463 Eric: Good to meet you. 1294 00:55:01,549 --> 00:55:04,633 Fishburne: Claire agreed to help Eric obtain a DNA profile 1295 00:55:04,677 --> 00:55:06,510 from one of their children. 1296 00:55:06,595 --> 00:55:09,763 It will be compared to the DNA from d.B. Cooper's tie 1297 00:55:09,849 --> 00:55:12,016 left aboard flight 305. 1298 00:55:12,101 --> 00:55:14,810 If it's a match, Eric could finally have the answer 1299 00:55:14,895 --> 00:55:17,646 to the mystery of d.B. Cooper's identity. 1300 00:55:19,233 --> 00:55:21,150 Eric: First of all, Claire, thank you very much 1301 00:55:21,235 --> 00:55:24,111 for taking the time to sit down with me 1302 00:55:24,196 --> 00:55:26,989 and talk a little bit about your life 1303 00:55:27,033 --> 00:55:28,824 and your life with Sheridan. 1304 00:55:28,909 --> 00:55:33,162 Could you describe just the nature of your relationship 1305 00:55:33,247 --> 00:55:37,333 during that seven years with Sheridan? 1306 00:55:37,376 --> 00:55:40,336 The relationship was bumpy. 1307 00:55:40,421 --> 00:55:43,172 He did have tirades of anger. 1308 00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:45,341 I don't think he could control it. 1309 00:55:45,426 --> 00:55:48,052 So, I knew there was a time that I was gonna have to say 1310 00:55:48,137 --> 00:55:49,678 goodbye to him. 1311 00:55:49,722 --> 00:55:53,015 And that's the way it went, 1312 00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:56,769 something had to be done 'cause I didn't wanna get hurt. 1313 00:55:56,854 --> 00:56:00,022 Eric: In terms of being clever and deceptive 1314 00:56:00,107 --> 00:56:03,817 when there's something that he wanted or what have you, 1315 00:56:03,861 --> 00:56:06,862 did you detect any of that in him, 1316 00:56:06,906 --> 00:56:08,864 the ability to be deceptive? 1317 00:56:08,949 --> 00:56:12,159 I think he was deceptive, yes, 1318 00:56:12,244 --> 00:56:15,371 in a way that would work for him. 1319 00:56:15,456 --> 00:56:17,873 Fishburne: As Eric speaks with Claire Peterson, 1320 00:56:17,917 --> 00:56:21,043 former FBI agent Mary Jean fryar is in route 1321 00:56:21,087 --> 00:56:23,420 to visit Sheridan Peterson. 1322 00:56:23,506 --> 00:56:27,216 In 2003, she interviewed him as a person of interest 1323 00:56:27,259 --> 00:56:29,885 and collected a DNA sample. 1324 00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:32,846 This is the first time they've met since then. 1325 00:56:37,353 --> 00:56:39,228 Mary Jean: I was glad you reached out to me 1326 00:56:39,313 --> 00:56:40,771 and, on Twitter. 1327 00:56:40,856 --> 00:56:43,607 When you sent me that message that you wish 1328 00:56:43,692 --> 00:56:46,402 I was still in the FBI because you had things 1329 00:56:46,487 --> 00:56:48,654 that were happening to your computer. 1330 00:56:48,739 --> 00:56:49,988 Yeah. -Mary Jean: Do you remember 1331 00:56:50,074 --> 00:56:52,491 that in September? 1332 00:56:52,576 --> 00:56:54,201 With your book, with your book. -Sheridan: Yeah. 1333 00:56:54,245 --> 00:56:57,913 Mary Jean: Yeah. You signed it d.B. 1334 00:56:57,957 --> 00:56:59,832 Well, because I thought 1335 00:56:59,917 --> 00:57:01,208 I'd amuse you. 1336 00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:02,584 Yeah. You did amuse me. 1337 00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:05,337 Twice you sent-- you signed d.B. 1338 00:57:05,423 --> 00:57:08,132 Yeah. 1339 00:57:08,217 --> 00:57:12,052 I was so surprised to find you. 1340 00:57:12,096 --> 00:57:13,804 Mary Jean: It's been a long time since we've 1341 00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:15,806 seen each other. -Sheridan: Yes, it has, 1342 00:57:15,891 --> 00:57:17,641 that was 20 years ago? 1343 00:57:17,726 --> 00:57:22,604 Mary Jean: Long time ago. -Heisting of aircraft 1344 00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:24,231 and that wasn't me. 1345 00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:27,276 There were easier ways 1346 00:57:27,319 --> 00:57:29,653 to get 200,000 I would say, 1347 00:57:29,738 --> 00:57:31,905 I'm surprised that you guys are still interested. 1348 00:57:31,991 --> 00:57:33,365 Mary Jean: They never caught the guy. 1349 00:57:33,451 --> 00:57:34,783 Sheridan: They didn't? 1350 00:57:34,869 --> 00:57:36,952 Mary Jean: The FBI gave up on it and closed it. 1351 00:57:37,037 --> 00:57:38,745 Did they? -Mary Jean: The fact that 1352 00:57:38,831 --> 00:57:41,415 people think that you could be d.B. Cooper makes sense. 1353 00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,585 D.b. Cooper was a-- was a gangster. 1354 00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:46,795 He was a thief. 1355 00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:49,298 He stole $200,000 and he... -Mary Jean: Yeah. He did. 1356 00:57:49,341 --> 00:57:52,426 And he also-- he wanted to blow up a plane. 1357 00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:54,553 He would've killed a lot of people. 1358 00:57:54,638 --> 00:57:56,472 Mary Jean: Do you think the bombs were real? 1359 00:57:56,515 --> 00:57:59,433 They weren't real. No. 1360 00:57:59,518 --> 00:58:00,309 Mary Jean: How do you know that? 1361 00:58:03,272 --> 00:58:05,063 Investigator Mary Jean fryar 1362 00:58:05,149 --> 00:58:07,733 is meeting with Sheridan Peterson. 1363 00:58:07,818 --> 00:58:11,236 A man she interviewed in 2003 as a person of interest 1364 00:58:11,322 --> 00:58:12,738 in the d.B. Cooper case. 1365 00:58:12,823 --> 00:58:14,490 Mary Jean: Do you think the bombs were real? 1366 00:58:14,575 --> 00:58:16,825 They weren't real. No. 1367 00:58:16,911 --> 00:58:20,621 The FBI found proofs that they-- 1368 00:58:20,706 --> 00:58:22,623 the bombs weren't real. -Mary Jean: They did? 1369 00:58:22,708 --> 00:58:24,791 I don't think-- I don't-- didn't hear that. 1370 00:58:24,877 --> 00:58:26,960 Sheridan: Yeah. They've-- they-- 1371 00:58:27,046 --> 00:58:31,048 once he had jumped, he left the stuff behind. 1372 00:58:31,133 --> 00:58:34,134 Mary Jean: He only left the tie behind. 1373 00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:36,261 Fishburne: The only items recovered from the hijacked 1374 00:58:36,347 --> 00:58:40,057 plane were a long skinny black clip-on tie. 1375 00:58:40,142 --> 00:58:43,644 A gold tie clip and eight cigarette butts. 1376 00:58:43,729 --> 00:58:46,688 It's believed Cooper jumped with everything else 1377 00:58:46,732 --> 00:58:48,649 including the handwritten note exchanged 1378 00:58:48,734 --> 00:58:51,693 between he and the flight attendants. 1379 00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:53,153 Why would he do it? 1380 00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:57,157 I feel that-- my personal opinion that he, 1381 00:58:57,243 --> 00:58:59,826 ended up in the Columbia river. 1382 00:58:59,870 --> 00:59:02,329 That money all rotted and everything 1383 00:59:02,373 --> 00:59:03,956 was in the sand along 1384 00:59:04,041 --> 00:59:07,376 the bank up north of the dalles. 1385 00:59:07,419 --> 00:59:10,504 Mary Jean: Actually, I think the money was buried not lost. 1386 00:59:10,589 --> 00:59:12,714 Buried? 1387 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,509 Mary Jean: Because it was like in a stack in the sand, 1388 00:59:15,594 --> 00:59:18,720 not like just drifted there. 1389 00:59:18,764 --> 00:59:21,557 If he jumped and then just, 1390 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,934 and entirely he was wearing, 1391 00:59:24,019 --> 00:59:25,686 he was crazy. 1392 00:59:25,771 --> 00:59:27,271 And I'm not crazy. 1393 00:59:27,356 --> 00:59:29,648 That took a lot of guts to do what he did. 1394 00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:31,817 Yeah. I think so. 1395 00:59:31,902 --> 00:59:34,194 Yeah. 1396 00:59:35,906 --> 00:59:37,823 Mary Jean: You know, your life story is fascinating. 1397 00:59:37,908 --> 00:59:41,368 Can we start after your first wife Claire? 1398 00:59:41,412 --> 00:59:44,955 Yeah. So, right after my first wife, 1399 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,833 I took a sabbatical in the Philippines. 1400 00:59:47,918 --> 00:59:50,377 I was just an English teacher 1401 00:59:50,462 --> 00:59:55,090 and I met zeny she lived in a very poor area. 1402 00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:59,845 She wasn't, um, well-educated. 1403 00:59:59,930 --> 01:00:03,056 But I married zeny and we had two children. 1404 01:00:03,142 --> 01:00:07,269 And then I went to Vietnam, with the express purpose 1405 01:00:07,313 --> 01:00:10,731 of writing a documentary on the Vietnam war. 1406 01:00:10,774 --> 01:00:12,941 You know, I needed a passport. 1407 01:00:12,985 --> 01:00:15,068 I have those passports. 1408 01:00:15,112 --> 01:00:17,070 Mary Jean: You do? -Ashley: Can we see them? 1409 01:00:17,156 --> 01:00:19,823 Sheridan: Yeah. 1410 01:00:19,908 --> 01:00:21,950 Mary Jean: This is the-- all your travel everywhere? 1411 01:00:21,994 --> 01:00:23,410 Ashley: Wow. -Sheridan: Well, I'm not-- 1412 01:00:23,495 --> 01:00:25,412 I'm not sure it's all of them, but... 1413 01:00:25,497 --> 01:00:27,789 Mary Jean: You keep everything. I love that. 1414 01:00:27,833 --> 01:00:30,834 So, here's Kathmandu in August of '71. 1415 01:00:30,919 --> 01:00:32,836 Ashley: Yup. -Mary Jean: Now after 1416 01:00:32,921 --> 01:00:36,590 August of '71, then where did you go? 1417 01:00:36,675 --> 01:00:39,801 Sheridan: I went back to Vietnam. 1418 01:00:39,887 --> 01:00:42,471 Yeah. I remember that, we went-- 1419 01:00:42,556 --> 01:00:46,224 I went back and I left the family in, 1420 01:00:46,310 --> 01:00:49,061 Malaysia in penang. 1421 01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:51,813 Mary Jean: Your wife died in 1977? 1422 01:00:54,526 --> 01:00:56,109 Sheridan: Well, yeah. 1423 01:00:56,195 --> 01:00:59,446 I don't want them to know where I am. 1424 01:00:59,531 --> 01:01:01,657 I don't want them to know anything. 1425 01:01:03,661 --> 01:01:04,660 Fishburne: Back in Idaho, 1426 01:01:04,703 --> 01:01:06,328 Eric ulis continues his meeting 1427 01:01:06,372 --> 01:01:08,705 with Sheridan's first wife, Claire. 1428 01:01:08,791 --> 01:01:11,500 He was not money crazy. 1429 01:01:11,543 --> 01:01:14,086 But he did not wanna work but, you know, 1430 01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:15,587 he wanted to have a living 1431 01:01:15,673 --> 01:01:18,799 and I knew he wanted to go to Asia. 1432 01:01:18,884 --> 01:01:22,636 And it looked like he was doing what he wanted to do. 1433 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,098 So, you were made aware at some point that he, like, 1434 01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:27,724 headed to Asia? 1435 01:01:27,810 --> 01:01:29,476 I did know that he left 1436 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,103 and he went overseas. 1437 01:01:31,188 --> 01:01:33,647 And was there any contact with him 1438 01:01:33,732 --> 01:01:35,691 while he was over there? -Um, 1439 01:01:36,735 --> 01:01:39,027 probably a couple of letters. 1440 01:01:39,071 --> 01:01:42,447 And then-- but for years and years, no contact. 1441 01:01:42,533 --> 01:01:44,282 One thing that was intriguing 1442 01:01:44,368 --> 01:01:46,243 that we talked about... 1443 01:01:46,328 --> 01:01:50,497 Related to, his second wife. 1444 01:01:50,582 --> 01:01:52,708 And you're talking about a wife 1445 01:01:52,751 --> 01:01:55,627 that he led me to believe was alive. 1446 01:01:55,713 --> 01:01:58,380 What did he say to you in 2007 1447 01:01:58,424 --> 01:02:01,049 that made you think she was still alive? 1448 01:02:01,135 --> 01:02:05,011 I met his, daughter, their daughter, 1449 01:02:05,097 --> 01:02:07,556 and she wanted to see her mother and she wanted to see her, 1450 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,600 that her mother got over here to the United States 1451 01:02:10,686 --> 01:02:13,019 from the Philippines. -What year was this? 1452 01:02:13,105 --> 01:02:15,689 Claire: This was, 2007. -So, you talked-- 1453 01:02:15,774 --> 01:02:16,982 you had a conversation with Sheridan about this-- 1454 01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:18,191 I did. ---Right here at your house, 1455 01:02:18,277 --> 01:02:19,776 where we are right now? -I did. Yes. 1456 01:02:19,862 --> 01:02:21,695 What did Sheridan say about... -Well, I asked him. 1457 01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:23,071 Why don't you send for her? 1458 01:02:23,115 --> 01:02:25,449 Why don't you see that she can get here? 1459 01:02:25,534 --> 01:02:27,701 And he laughed and what he said was, 1460 01:02:27,786 --> 01:02:31,705 "she wants to bring her entire family over with her." 1461 01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:33,457 Clearly, you're under the distinct impression 1462 01:02:33,542 --> 01:02:36,376 that his second wife, at least as of 2007 1463 01:02:36,462 --> 01:02:38,587 is alive and well and is living in the Philippines, 1464 01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:40,338 is that correct? -Exactly. 1465 01:02:40,424 --> 01:02:42,966 According to Sheridan, his second wife 1466 01:02:43,051 --> 01:02:44,760 had passed away 1467 01:02:44,845 --> 01:02:48,138 in 1977. 1468 01:02:48,223 --> 01:02:51,224 Well, he's lying about something. 1469 01:02:51,310 --> 01:02:53,059 If he is... 1470 01:02:53,145 --> 01:02:55,228 Possibly Dan Cooper, 1471 01:02:55,314 --> 01:02:57,272 she would know. 1472 01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:01,067 Well, that's where I started to really think 1473 01:03:01,111 --> 01:03:03,695 perhaps that was he... 1474 01:03:05,324 --> 01:03:06,656 Who did it. 1475 01:03:06,742 --> 01:03:09,618 He had the knowledge and probably-- 1476 01:03:11,163 --> 01:03:15,081 he probably had the courage to do something like that. 1477 01:03:17,002 --> 01:03:19,377 Mary Jean: Look, I read Eric's work 1478 01:03:19,463 --> 01:03:20,629 and I have to ask you. 1479 01:03:20,672 --> 01:03:22,589 I want to know how you knew 1480 01:03:22,674 --> 01:03:24,591 the reserve parachute was Daisy-chained. 1481 01:03:24,676 --> 01:03:27,219 I Daisy-chained it. 1482 01:03:27,304 --> 01:03:28,553 Ashley: You Daisy-chained it? 1483 01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:29,971 Yeah, I Daisy-chained it. 1484 01:03:30,015 --> 01:03:33,308 We use it there, at issaquah, for years. 1485 01:03:34,603 --> 01:03:36,144 Fishburne: Sheridan Peterson worked at the 1486 01:03:36,188 --> 01:03:39,940 issaquah skydive center in the early 1960s. 1487 01:03:39,983 --> 01:03:42,400 The same place that would later provide parachutes 1488 01:03:42,486 --> 01:03:45,445 used by Cooper in his escape. 1489 01:03:45,489 --> 01:03:47,280 I Daisy-chained it so... 1490 01:03:47,324 --> 01:03:50,116 They throw it down and out, see, 1491 01:03:50,202 --> 01:03:53,495 the reserve, I put the red x on it. 1492 01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:55,580 Ashley: You hadn't been to issaquah in five years. 1493 01:03:55,666 --> 01:03:56,748 How did you know that... 1494 01:03:56,834 --> 01:03:58,291 That's the same reserve you made? 1495 01:03:58,335 --> 01:04:00,252 Well, I was sure it was. 1496 01:04:00,337 --> 01:04:02,128 Why would they change it? 1497 01:04:02,214 --> 01:04:04,130 Who gave it to him? 1498 01:04:04,216 --> 01:04:05,423 Ashley: Linn emrich. 1499 01:04:05,509 --> 01:04:08,009 Sheridan: Well, that's why linn emrich 1500 01:04:08,053 --> 01:04:09,678 figured it was me. 1501 01:04:09,721 --> 01:04:12,597 Linn emrich worked at issaquah skyport 1502 01:04:12,683 --> 01:04:14,641 at the same time of the hijacking. 1503 01:04:14,726 --> 01:04:17,102 But, the others don't-- 1504 01:04:17,187 --> 01:04:20,647 no longer think that i'm, 1505 01:04:20,732 --> 01:04:22,190 d.b. Cooper. 1506 01:04:22,276 --> 01:04:24,985 And you still had DNA out there. 1507 01:04:25,070 --> 01:04:26,486 Yeah. You still have my DNA. 1508 01:04:26,572 --> 01:04:27,988 There-- it's still there. Yeah. 1509 01:04:28,073 --> 01:04:30,824 And I've never heard what-- that it was cleared. 1510 01:04:30,868 --> 01:04:32,492 Well, I thought you said that... 1511 01:04:32,578 --> 01:04:34,661 Mary Jean: No, because I never found out. 1512 01:04:34,746 --> 01:04:37,330 But you-- you can find out yourself. 1513 01:04:37,374 --> 01:04:38,999 I can send you the form. 1514 01:04:39,084 --> 01:04:41,668 You just make the request and they'll tell you. 1515 01:04:41,753 --> 01:04:43,795 Well... -There was a little part of me 1516 01:04:43,881 --> 01:04:45,505 that was hoping you were gonna confess 1517 01:04:45,591 --> 01:04:47,215 to being d.B. Cooper today. 1518 01:04:47,259 --> 01:04:49,342 A little part of you? -Mary Jean: Yeah. 1519 01:04:49,428 --> 01:04:53,346 She really is this FBI. 1520 01:04:53,432 --> 01:04:55,682 Yeah. -Mary Jean: I just hope that... 1521 01:04:55,726 --> 01:04:57,642 Whoever it is 1522 01:04:57,728 --> 01:04:59,686 takes some credit for it 1523 01:04:59,771 --> 01:05:02,355 before they die, if they're still alive 1524 01:05:02,441 --> 01:05:05,775 because it's quite the accomplishment 1525 01:05:05,861 --> 01:05:07,736 and so many people have claimed it 1526 01:05:07,779 --> 01:05:10,530 or tried to steal it from this person saying, 1527 01:05:10,616 --> 01:05:12,532 "I was d.B. Cooper." Or in their deathbed, 1528 01:05:12,618 --> 01:05:14,409 or family members who will come out. 1529 01:05:14,453 --> 01:05:16,912 But it'll be nice if the person 1530 01:05:16,997 --> 01:05:19,915 doesn't let it go himself. 1531 01:05:22,628 --> 01:05:25,378 All right. Listen, I have to say goodbye. 1532 01:05:25,464 --> 01:05:27,547 Sheridan: Yeah. Yeah. -Mary Jean: Hey. 1533 01:05:27,633 --> 01:05:28,632 All right. You take care of yourself. 1534 01:05:28,717 --> 01:05:29,883 Sheridan: Yeah. 1535 01:05:29,968 --> 01:05:31,384 Mary Jean: I will send you that form. 1536 01:05:31,470 --> 01:05:33,053 Sheridan: All right. -All right? Is it... 1537 01:05:33,138 --> 01:05:34,554 Sheridan: I will. -Then we can put this to rest. 1538 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:35,597 I'll go back... -Mary Jean: Unless you wanna 1539 01:05:35,641 --> 01:05:36,932 confess to me. 1540 01:05:37,017 --> 01:05:38,391 Mary Jean: Unless you wanna confess to me. 1541 01:05:38,477 --> 01:05:39,601 I got to get on my knees. 1542 01:05:39,645 --> 01:05:40,685 Mary Jean: Yeah. 1543 01:05:40,771 --> 01:05:42,270 Quality, sister. -You take-- 1544 01:05:42,356 --> 01:05:43,939 you take care of yourself. 1545 01:05:44,024 --> 01:05:45,607 Sheridan: I'm gonna remember this forever. 1546 01:05:45,651 --> 01:05:46,858 Mary Jean: Well, good. I will, too. 1547 01:05:54,493 --> 01:05:56,117 Fishburne: Twelve years after he began 1548 01:05:56,161 --> 01:05:58,912 his obsessive search into d.B. Cooper, 1549 01:05:58,997 --> 01:06:00,705 Eric ulis is in Arizona 1550 01:06:00,791 --> 01:06:02,832 meeting with one of the only researchers ever 1551 01:06:02,918 --> 01:06:05,293 to be given access to Cooper evidence 1552 01:06:05,337 --> 01:06:07,963 by the FBI. 1553 01:06:08,006 --> 01:06:09,798 Eric hopes that he will finally learn 1554 01:06:09,841 --> 01:06:12,634 that the man he believes could be d.B. Cooper... 1555 01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:14,469 Really is. 1556 01:06:15,806 --> 01:06:17,430 Eric: Tom kaye is a rockstar 1557 01:06:17,474 --> 01:06:18,640 in the d.B. Cooper world 1558 01:06:18,725 --> 01:06:20,475 and the reason the guy is a rockstar 1559 01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:24,312 is because he actually got special access 1560 01:06:24,398 --> 01:06:27,941 to the evidence in 2008 as well as 2011. 1561 01:06:28,026 --> 01:06:30,819 Knowing this, it only makes sense to see 1562 01:06:30,862 --> 01:06:33,989 if Tom kaye happened to extract 1563 01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:38,159 some of d.B. Cooper's DNA while testing the tie. 1564 01:06:42,332 --> 01:06:43,832 Tom: Eric, glad you made it. -Eric: Hey, Tom. 1565 01:06:43,875 --> 01:06:45,041 How you doing, man? -Good to see you. 1566 01:06:45,127 --> 01:06:46,501 Good to see you. Come on in. 1567 01:06:46,586 --> 01:06:50,005 Back in 2008, I was approached by a Cooper group 1568 01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:52,674 that was looking for somebody to analyze the money 1569 01:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,217 that was found on tena bar 1570 01:06:54,302 --> 01:06:56,594 and have been buried there for a long time. 1571 01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,181 Then we went back to the FBI in 2011 and by that time, 1572 01:07:00,225 --> 01:07:02,892 we were working with special agent Curtis ang 1573 01:07:02,978 --> 01:07:05,186 and he allowed US then to have access to the tie 1574 01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:08,565 specifically so we could do a series of tests 1575 01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:11,067 and we also vacuumed the tie for particles. 1576 01:07:11,153 --> 01:07:12,819 What we found that was really amazing 1577 01:07:12,904 --> 01:07:16,281 is we found metallic titanium on the tie. 1578 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:19,367 Titanium is used to manufacture aircrafts 1579 01:07:19,453 --> 01:07:22,412 and is found at plane manufacturing plants 1580 01:07:22,497 --> 01:07:24,039 like the boeing facility 1581 01:07:24,124 --> 01:07:28,585 where Sheridan worked from 1962 to 1964. 1582 01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:30,628 There were very few applications 1583 01:07:30,714 --> 01:07:34,299 for commercially pure titanium back in 1971. 1584 01:07:34,384 --> 01:07:36,885 And I know that some of my research has actually shown 1585 01:07:36,970 --> 01:07:40,722 that indeed the 727 itself specifically the engine 1586 01:07:40,766 --> 01:07:42,307 has commercially pure titanium. 1587 01:07:42,392 --> 01:07:44,893 At that time, titanium wasn't very common. 1588 01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:47,145 It was used primarily in aerospace 1589 01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:48,563 and also in the chemical industry. 1590 01:07:48,648 --> 01:07:51,649 So it goes a long ways towards narrowing down 1591 01:07:51,735 --> 01:07:53,735 criteria for d.B. Cooper. 1592 01:07:53,779 --> 01:07:55,361 Tom: Now, we knew how vitally important 1593 01:07:55,405 --> 01:07:56,780 the particles were on the tie 1594 01:07:56,865 --> 01:07:58,698 and we knew what we were looking for 1595 01:07:58,742 --> 01:08:00,784 is we hooked up a vacuum 1596 01:08:00,869 --> 01:08:02,285 to a filter like this. 1597 01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:05,413 This is a sterile filter inside of a sterile jar. 1598 01:08:05,457 --> 01:08:08,416 We had a small nozzle coming out at the end here 1599 01:08:08,502 --> 01:08:11,002 and then we hook a vacuum to the back end of this 1600 01:08:11,088 --> 01:08:14,798 and we vacuum the tie including the knot of the tie. 1601 01:08:14,883 --> 01:08:18,343 The tie knot seems like the most logical place to look. 1602 01:08:18,428 --> 01:08:20,345 The place that would've been touched the most 1603 01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:21,679 by d.B. Cooper. 1604 01:08:21,765 --> 01:08:24,390 This filter that remains unopened to this day 1605 01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:27,268 has particles from d.B. Cooper's tie in it 1606 01:08:27,312 --> 01:08:30,939 but most importantly it also has Cooper's DNA in it. 1607 01:08:30,982 --> 01:08:33,483 The thing is there's only one shot with the DNA here. 1608 01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:35,110 I will never see that again. 1609 01:08:35,153 --> 01:08:37,654 It is destroyed in the process of getting the DNA. 1610 01:08:37,739 --> 01:08:39,447 I think that the lab that's been... 1611 01:08:39,533 --> 01:08:41,699 Appropriated for this job is a good one 1612 01:08:41,785 --> 01:08:43,118 and they'll do a good job. 1613 01:08:43,161 --> 01:08:44,828 The extent of the job that they can do 1614 01:08:44,913 --> 01:08:47,288 nobody knows yet, not even the lab. 1615 01:08:47,374 --> 01:08:50,375 Tom, I wanna thank you for entrusting US 1616 01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:54,796 with this very valuable d.B. Cooper evidence. 1617 01:08:54,881 --> 01:08:57,215 We're gonna take it, send it right off to the lab, 1618 01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:59,217 see what they can find out and I'll get back to you 1619 01:08:59,302 --> 01:09:00,635 with the results as soon as I have something. 1620 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,220 Tom: Absolutely. -All right. All right, Tom. 1621 01:09:02,305 --> 01:09:03,346 Tom: Let's go get him. -Thanks. All right. 1622 01:09:04,933 --> 01:09:06,349 Fishburne: While Eric waits to send 1623 01:09:06,434 --> 01:09:09,018 the envac tie sample to a Florida lab 1624 01:09:09,104 --> 01:09:11,813 specializing in older forensics cases. 1625 01:09:11,898 --> 01:09:13,857 Former FBI agent Mary Jean fryar 1626 01:09:13,942 --> 01:09:15,984 receives an unexpected call 1627 01:09:16,069 --> 01:09:17,986 from Sheridan. 1628 01:09:18,029 --> 01:09:19,571 Mary Jean: When I met with Sheridan Peterson, 1629 01:09:19,656 --> 01:09:22,991 I thought it was intriguing and kind of confusing. 1630 01:09:23,034 --> 01:09:26,327 They evidently found the guy that made the heist. 1631 01:09:26,413 --> 01:09:27,996 Mary Jean: No. They never caught the guy. 1632 01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:29,497 They didn't? 1633 01:09:29,541 --> 01:09:31,124 Mary Jean: The FBI gave up on it and closed it. 1634 01:09:31,168 --> 01:09:32,876 Did they? -During the interview 1635 01:09:32,961 --> 01:09:34,419 I thought it wasn't him. 1636 01:09:34,504 --> 01:09:38,006 And then when he pulled out the passports, I said, 1637 01:09:38,049 --> 01:09:40,008 "I think it be might him ." 1638 01:09:40,051 --> 01:09:43,553 So here's Kathmandu in August of '71. 1639 01:09:43,638 --> 01:09:45,013 Mary Jean: Now, you didn't have these 1640 01:09:45,056 --> 01:09:47,432 when I interviewed you way back when. 1641 01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:50,226 There are two faded stamps for Nepal, for Kathmandu 1642 01:09:50,312 --> 01:09:53,396 one ended late in 1971 1643 01:09:53,481 --> 01:09:55,064 before the hijacking 1644 01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:58,735 and then the other one started in April of 1972. 1645 01:09:58,820 --> 01:10:00,653 By the time the interview was over 1646 01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:03,656 I walked out thinking "I don't know anymore. 1647 01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:05,617 I'm totally confused." 1648 01:10:05,702 --> 01:10:08,328 Probably about a month after I was up in Santa Rosa. 1649 01:10:08,371 --> 01:10:10,747 I called Sheridan and I asked him, 1650 01:10:10,832 --> 01:10:12,540 "I thought you were gonna do the paperwork 1651 01:10:12,584 --> 01:10:15,376 and follow through with the DNA filing." 1652 01:10:15,462 --> 01:10:17,921 And he said, "you told me... 1653 01:10:18,006 --> 01:10:20,381 That I wasn't d.B. Cooper 1654 01:10:20,425 --> 01:10:22,842 and, you know, I don't think I'm gonna do it." 1655 01:10:22,886 --> 01:10:23,927 And then that was it. 1656 01:10:24,012 --> 01:10:26,137 The conversation ended. 1657 01:10:26,223 --> 01:10:28,890 And I hung up thinking, "my god. 1658 01:10:28,975 --> 01:10:32,101 Now, that makes me really suspicious." 1659 01:10:32,187 --> 01:10:35,188 He just wants to keep it 'til he dies 1660 01:10:35,232 --> 01:10:38,024 which is probably how it's gonna play out. 1661 01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:41,236 Fishburne: Five weeks later, 1662 01:10:41,321 --> 01:10:43,988 Eric arrives back in California. 1663 01:10:44,074 --> 01:10:46,032 He setup a video conference meeting 1664 01:10:46,117 --> 01:10:47,951 with a senior analyst at the lab 1665 01:10:48,036 --> 01:10:50,119 comparing d.B. Cooper's DNA 1666 01:10:50,205 --> 01:10:52,622 to one of Sheridan's daughters. 1667 01:10:52,707 --> 01:10:54,082 If his theory is right 1668 01:10:54,167 --> 01:10:56,584 he may finally learn the true identity 1669 01:10:56,628 --> 01:10:58,211 of d.B. Cooper. 1670 01:10:58,296 --> 01:11:01,589 Eric: When I first embarked upon this investigation 1671 01:11:01,675 --> 01:11:04,300 I had no idea where it's gonna take me. 1672 01:11:04,386 --> 01:11:07,679 I had no idea who I was going to encounter. 1673 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:10,598 Let alone that I'd find a suspect 1674 01:11:10,642 --> 01:11:13,268 who couldn't be ruled out by the known facts. 1675 01:11:13,311 --> 01:11:16,187 According to Sheridan his second wife 1676 01:11:16,273 --> 01:11:17,981 had passed away 1677 01:11:18,066 --> 01:11:21,609 in 1977. 1678 01:11:21,653 --> 01:11:24,654 Well, he's lying about something. 1679 01:11:24,739 --> 01:11:26,114 Eric: I've often said 1680 01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:30,034 that I believe with 98% certainty 1681 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,329 that Sheridan Peterson could be d.B. Cooper. 1682 01:11:33,415 --> 01:11:36,332 But there's always been that missing two percent. 1683 01:11:36,418 --> 01:11:38,459 Because truthfully, 1684 01:11:38,503 --> 01:11:40,670 I've never been able to find the smoking gun. 1685 01:11:40,755 --> 01:11:42,839 There's an awful lot riding 1686 01:11:42,924 --> 01:11:44,465 on what the lab comes back with. 1687 01:11:49,139 --> 01:11:51,723 That could break the case wide open. 1688 01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:54,309 He'll be speaking to an analyst at the lab 1689 01:11:54,352 --> 01:11:56,144 tasked with testing a sample 1690 01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:57,520 taken directly from the tie 1691 01:11:57,605 --> 01:11:59,647 Cooper left behind on the plane. 1692 01:11:59,733 --> 01:12:02,317 Should DNA be found within the sample 1693 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,778 the results could reopen a near 50-year-old case 1694 01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:07,822 and confirm Eric's suspicions 1695 01:12:07,866 --> 01:12:09,991 about a person of interest. 1696 01:12:10,076 --> 01:12:12,118 Eric: How are you? 1697 01:12:12,162 --> 01:12:13,119 I'm good. How are you? 1698 01:12:13,163 --> 01:12:14,329 Eric: I'm doing well. 1699 01:12:14,372 --> 01:12:16,164 Well, my name is Samantha wandzek 1700 01:12:16,207 --> 01:12:18,750 and I currently work at DNA labs international, 1701 01:12:18,835 --> 01:12:20,168 we're a private laboratory 1702 01:12:20,253 --> 01:12:21,669 out of deerfield beach in Florida 1703 01:12:21,755 --> 01:12:24,005 and we have clients in over 40 states. 1704 01:12:24,049 --> 01:12:26,799 So it's very easy to go back to any cold case 1705 01:12:26,843 --> 01:12:28,509 and find more work to be done. 1706 01:12:28,553 --> 01:12:29,969 So for this case, I was actually 1707 01:12:30,013 --> 01:12:31,262 the reporting analyst for it. 1708 01:12:31,348 --> 01:12:33,181 And how did you tackle this material 1709 01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:35,641 that I sent to you to try to ascertain whether or not 1710 01:12:35,727 --> 01:12:37,518 there's any DNA or not? 1711 01:12:37,604 --> 01:12:39,187 Samantha: Due to the size of the filter 1712 01:12:39,272 --> 01:12:41,439 we actually cut it out in teeny-tiny chunks 1713 01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,941 and then sent the whole filter for extraction. 1714 01:12:44,027 --> 01:12:46,861 That's the first stage of the DNA testing process. 1715 01:12:46,905 --> 01:12:49,322 We then try to determine how much DNA, if any, 1716 01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:50,823 is present in the sample. 1717 01:12:50,867 --> 01:12:52,283 If we have enough DNA 1718 01:12:52,369 --> 01:12:54,410 we'll then send it forward for implication. 1719 01:12:54,496 --> 01:12:56,245 When you have cases that are old, 1720 01:12:56,331 --> 01:12:58,664 um, typically you'll see a sample will be degraded. 1721 01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:01,042 That DNA is just gonna break apart over time 1722 01:13:01,086 --> 01:13:04,128 and you're just not gonna have as much intact DNA. 1723 01:13:04,214 --> 01:13:06,964 But I was very surprised with the results. 1724 01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:09,467 So there was DNA 1725 01:13:09,552 --> 01:13:11,219 in the filter? 1726 01:13:11,262 --> 01:13:13,346 We did end up with a profile 1727 01:13:13,431 --> 01:13:15,556 from one male individual. 1728 01:13:15,642 --> 01:13:18,184 Is there some way to quantify like the strength? 1729 01:13:18,228 --> 01:13:19,519 I mean, is it one of these things 1730 01:13:19,604 --> 01:13:21,687 where one out of a billion people would... 1731 01:13:21,731 --> 01:13:23,815 Match this particular profile, 1732 01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:25,566 like, how strong is it? 1733 01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:27,110 What can it tell US? 1734 01:13:27,195 --> 01:13:30,196 Samantha: Typically, once you have over 20 locations 1735 01:13:30,281 --> 01:13:32,073 you would have to see hundreds, 1736 01:13:32,117 --> 01:13:34,075 thousands, millions in planet earth, 1737 01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:35,910 that are staying in current population 1738 01:13:35,954 --> 01:13:38,079 to expect to see that profile one time. 1739 01:13:38,164 --> 01:13:40,373 So once you have over those 20 locations 1740 01:13:40,417 --> 01:13:42,166 it usually becomes very rare. 1741 01:13:42,252 --> 01:13:43,918 So what you're telling me 1742 01:13:44,003 --> 01:13:46,879 is that we are the very first people 1743 01:13:46,923 --> 01:13:50,758 outside of the FBI to actually have 1744 01:13:50,802 --> 01:13:53,428 d.b. Cooper's DNA profile? 1745 01:13:53,513 --> 01:13:56,597 I'm anxious to find out what that means? 1746 01:13:56,641 --> 01:14:00,268 What can it tell US in comparison to DNA profile 1747 01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:03,521 for one of Sheridan Peterson's daughters? 1748 01:14:03,606 --> 01:14:06,107 Does it match? 1749 01:14:08,486 --> 01:14:10,486 She is not the biological daughter 1750 01:14:10,572 --> 01:14:12,989 of the male donor that we found. 1751 01:14:13,074 --> 01:14:14,449 Wow. 1752 01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:16,117 That's a-- that's a-- that's stunning. 1753 01:14:16,202 --> 01:14:19,287 I mean, it's really remarkable 1754 01:14:19,372 --> 01:14:23,416 given everything I know about this guy. 1755 01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:25,710 It's a game changer obviously. 1756 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:29,464 The one thing that's very encouraging to me though 1757 01:14:29,507 --> 01:14:32,925 is that we have a very solid 1758 01:14:33,011 --> 01:14:35,970 DNA profile from the tie. 1759 01:14:36,014 --> 01:14:39,140 Getting a DNA profile is so important 1760 01:14:39,225 --> 01:14:42,393 because it can provide assurance to me and others 1761 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,313 that this case is actually solvable. 1762 01:14:45,398 --> 01:14:48,316 I do very much appreciate all the effort 1763 01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,651 that you folks put into this 1764 01:14:50,695 --> 01:14:52,487 and I'm just very grateful that we've got 1765 01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:54,989 a solid DNA profile and I'm grateful 1766 01:14:55,074 --> 01:14:56,449 that we have some resolution 1767 01:14:56,534 --> 01:14:58,117 with respect to Sheridan Peterson. 1768 01:14:58,203 --> 01:14:59,994 So again, thank you very much 1769 01:15:00,038 --> 01:15:01,454 for your efforts and your time. 1770 01:15:01,498 --> 01:15:02,914 Please feel free to contact me 1771 01:15:02,999 --> 01:15:04,749 with any additional questions that you have. 1772 01:15:04,834 --> 01:15:05,958 We will do that. 1773 01:15:08,046 --> 01:15:10,838 Fishburne: Now, armed with new information from the lab. 1774 01:15:10,882 --> 01:15:15,176 Eric calls agent Mary Jean fryar to share the results. 1775 01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:18,137 Right now, 1776 01:15:18,181 --> 01:15:19,680 I wanna give Mary Jean a call 1777 01:15:19,766 --> 01:15:21,349 and I wanna let her know 1778 01:15:21,392 --> 01:15:23,142 what I have learned. 1779 01:15:23,228 --> 01:15:25,978 Because Mary Jean has really helped 1780 01:15:26,022 --> 01:15:27,688 move my investigation forward 1781 01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:29,982 and I'm sure she's gonna wanna know 1782 01:15:30,068 --> 01:15:33,152 what I've learned about the DNA. 1783 01:15:33,238 --> 01:15:34,695 Hey, Mary Jean. How are you doing? 1784 01:15:34,781 --> 01:15:37,657 It's Eric ulis calling. -Mary Jean: Hey, there. 1785 01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,284 Eric: I've got a DNA update. 1786 01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:41,869 Finally have some results 1787 01:15:41,955 --> 01:15:44,247 from the lab in Florida. 1788 01:15:44,332 --> 01:15:45,998 They did come up 1789 01:15:46,084 --> 01:15:49,710 with a full DNA profile 1790 01:15:49,796 --> 01:15:51,379 and it's from a male. 1791 01:15:51,422 --> 01:15:52,838 Mary Jean: I'm getting really excited. 1792 01:15:52,924 --> 01:15:54,840 My stomach is like a knot 1793 01:15:54,926 --> 01:15:57,843 because I'm hoping that it's him. 1794 01:15:57,887 --> 01:16:01,305 They proved 100% that the DNA 1795 01:16:01,391 --> 01:16:03,558 does not match. 1796 01:16:03,643 --> 01:16:05,560 Mary Jean: Damn. 1797 01:16:05,603 --> 01:16:10,231 Sheridan Peterson is not d.B. Cooper. 1798 01:16:10,275 --> 01:16:12,066 Mary Jean: Last conversation I have with Sheridan 1799 01:16:12,110 --> 01:16:15,403 he point blank refused to go forward with the DNA-- 1800 01:16:15,446 --> 01:16:16,737 get the DNA results. 1801 01:16:16,823 --> 01:16:18,864 Eric: I am absolutely convinced 1802 01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:21,242 that the DNA that we have 1803 01:16:21,327 --> 01:16:23,202 is d.B. Cooper's DNA. 1804 01:16:23,288 --> 01:16:26,038 So if anybody matches this DNA profile 1805 01:16:26,082 --> 01:16:28,082 all 20 points that's your guy. 1806 01:16:28,126 --> 01:16:29,750 There's absolutely no doubt about it. 1807 01:16:29,794 --> 01:16:31,460 Mary Jean: Can we run it in databases 1808 01:16:31,546 --> 01:16:34,589 and find him or is this a lost cause at this point? 1809 01:16:34,632 --> 01:16:36,716 They actually can utilize it 1810 01:16:36,801 --> 01:16:39,760 to run through the codis system but of course that involves, 1811 01:16:39,804 --> 01:16:41,887 you know, law enforcement getting involved, 1812 01:16:41,931 --> 01:16:43,598 then the courts getting involved. 1813 01:16:43,641 --> 01:16:45,433 Mary Jean: Eric, I think what you've done is... 1814 01:16:45,476 --> 01:16:47,059 More than the FBI ever did. 1815 01:16:47,145 --> 01:16:48,936 And I would think this is enough 1816 01:16:48,980 --> 01:16:50,438 that if we need law enforcement 1817 01:16:50,481 --> 01:16:52,440 they've got to take this back and reopen it. 1818 01:16:52,483 --> 01:16:54,108 This is damn good evidence. 1819 01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:56,068 This is better than I've ever come up with 1820 01:16:56,154 --> 01:16:58,279 and maybe they can actually solve this case 1821 01:16:58,323 --> 01:17:00,114 with your help. -I honestly believe 1822 01:17:00,158 --> 01:17:02,867 we will eventually figure out who this guy was. 1823 01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:05,620 Thank you very much. -Mary Jean: Take care. 1824 01:17:05,663 --> 01:17:08,664 Fishburne: After narrowing down Cooper's possible landing site 1825 01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:11,959 and eliminating an FBI person of interest. 1826 01:17:12,003 --> 01:17:13,586 Eric's even more determined 1827 01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:15,713 to continue his mission. 1828 01:17:15,798 --> 01:17:18,883 I feel very empowered at the moment. 1829 01:17:18,968 --> 01:17:21,469 I feel more motivated than ever. 1830 01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:24,472 Because having this DNA profile 1831 01:17:24,515 --> 01:17:26,932 provides an outstanding blueprint 1832 01:17:26,976 --> 01:17:30,102 as I continue to pursue this case. 1833 01:17:30,188 --> 01:17:32,104 I am now actually armed 1834 01:17:32,190 --> 01:17:35,274 with precisely what I need 1835 01:17:35,318 --> 01:17:38,444 to determine who d.B. Cooper was 1836 01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:41,489 and more importantly to prove it. 1837 01:17:41,532 --> 01:17:43,282 Time in the d.B. Cooper case 1838 01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:46,285 has served as a double edge sword. 1839 01:17:46,329 --> 01:17:47,745 In one sense you have, 1840 01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:49,288 you know, first-hand witnesses 1841 01:17:49,374 --> 01:17:52,166 that pass on and memories fade. 1842 01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:54,168 But in another sense 1843 01:17:54,212 --> 01:17:57,171 we have advances in science and technology. 1844 01:17:57,256 --> 01:17:59,674 And I think when all is said and done 1845 01:17:59,759 --> 01:18:02,134 time is going to be our friend 1846 01:18:02,178 --> 01:18:03,886 because I firmly believe 1847 01:18:03,971 --> 01:18:07,348 that this DNA profile is ultimately 1848 01:18:07,433 --> 01:18:10,351 what's gonna break this case wide open 1849 01:18:10,395 --> 01:18:14,021 and is what is going to solve this case. 1850 01:18:14,065 --> 01:18:15,356 Fishburne: The identity of d.B. Cooper 1851 01:18:15,441 --> 01:18:18,192 has haunted investigators for nearly five decades. 1852 01:18:18,236 --> 01:18:21,028 Who is the mysterious hijacker? 1853 01:18:21,072 --> 01:18:24,365 And will we ever finally discover his true identity? 1854 01:18:24,409 --> 01:18:27,201 I'm Laurence fissburne, thank you for watching 1855 01:18:27,286 --> 01:18:29,662 history's greatest mysteries. 142413

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