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Tonight on history's
greatest mysteries:
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Eric:
Ready to find d.B. Cooper?
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Woman: Do you think
that he could be
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d.b. Cooper?
-Yeah, I do.
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Eric: I think I've pinpointed
where it is.
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Eric: This could be our
smoking gun.
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Woman: They've got to take
this back and reopen it.
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It's a mystery that's
confounded law enforcement
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for 48 years.
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On November 24th, 1971,
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a man who would become known
as d.B. Cooper
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hijacks a plane
and then jumps out,
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taking with him a ransom
of $200,000.
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I'm Laurence Fishburne
and tonight;
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who is d.B. Cooper,
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and how did he escape?
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Neither his identity nor his
body has ever been recovered.
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It's impossible.
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Or is it?
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Can investigator
Eric ulis finally close
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the only unsolved skyjacking
in US history?
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Eric and his team
will reexamine
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the plane's alleged
flight path.
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They'll search alternate
landing sites for fresh clues
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and profile
a possible suspect.
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Tonight, a search
for new answers
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to one of history's
greatest mysteries.
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Who is d.B. Cooper?
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Fishburne: D.B. Cooper
investigator Eric ulis
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is on his way
to Washington state,
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but his research
and investigation started
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12 years earlier in Arizona.
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Eric: I've always had
a fascination with aviation,
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which is what I believe
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ultimately drew me
into the case.
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Here was a man who developed
a cult-like following
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over the years,
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despite the fact
that nobody really knew
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anything about the guy at all.
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He became a legend overnight.
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Man: I think d.B. Is
like coolest guy in america.
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He did the ultimate crime.
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Eric: Eventually, I found
the case was being hijacked
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by conspiracy theories
and so forth,
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and I just ended up
getting sucked in
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to this d.B. Cooper vortex.
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And, ultimately, I decided
that I was gonna undertake
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an investigation of my own
into the case.
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Man: Over the years,
more than 1,000 suspects
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have been scrutinized.
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Geoffrey: When this case
happened in the 1970s,
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the era of DNA was not upon US,
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and agents really didn't look
out to preserve
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this evidence in the way
that we do now.
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Eric: In order to identify
where the FBI and others
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went sideways with this case,
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I knew that I was going
to have to personally read
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all 20,000 pages
of redacted FBI files
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regarding the case.
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Fishburne: Thanks to a
freedom of information act
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lawsuit filed in 2016,
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every few months,
the FBI releases files
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from the case
in chronological order.
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This constant drip
of new information
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and new sources
is key to Eric's theory
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about what really happened
on northwest flight 305.
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Eric:
The night of the skyjacking,
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we know a man boarded
northwest orient flight
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in Portland destined
for Seattle.
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He bought the ticket
with a $20 bill at the airport.
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There was no ID required.
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And he gave the name
Dan Cooper to the ticket agent.
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He would end up taking a seat
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in the very back row
of the jet,
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18e to be exact.
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The flight attendants recall
d.B. Cooper
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being a guy
who is in his mid-40s,
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dressed as a business person
wearing a black suit,
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wearing loafers
with a skinny black tie,
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and a raincoat.
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And he would later put on
a pair of dark sunglasses
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as the jet
was about to take off.
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By his side,
he had a black attache case.
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As the plane starts taxiing
toward the runway,
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d.b. Cooper hands
one of the flight attendants,
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Florence schaffner, a note.
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Which says that he has a bomb.
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Man: Thirty-six passengers
got off the jetliner
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in Seattle last night.
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Left aboard four crew members
and the hijacker,
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dressed in a business suit,
demanding $200,000
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with the full ransom collected
from the Seattle banks,
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and four parachutes aboard.
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The plane headed for Reno.
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Eric: What many people
don't know was that
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Reno was not the intended
destination.
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Cooper actually requested
that the plane fly
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to Mexico nonstop.
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But the problem is, is that
he wanted the jet to fly
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with the landing gear down.
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He wanted the jet to fly
with the flaps down.
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He wanted the jet to fly
at a very slow speed,
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and not fly over 10,000 feet
in altitude.
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So there was simply no way
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that they could fly nonstop
to Mexico City.
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They would need
to refuel somewhere.
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And they decided Reno.
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According to Eric,
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Cooper's request to be flown
to Mexico was a ruse.
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Seven minutes after the plane
left Seattle,
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the flight crew received
an alert.
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The rear airstairs
were activated.
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Eric: The boeing
727 was unique
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in that it had airstairs
that would deploy
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from the back bottom
of the fuselage.
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In fact, it's these air stairs
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that the passengers
actually boarded the jet with.
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Fishburne: Roughly
27 minutes
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after the airstairs'
deployment alert,
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the crew experienced a cabin
pressure disturbance.
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Eric: At approximately 8:12 pm,
the pilots experienced
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what they described
as a pressure bump on the plane.
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What felt like a popping
in the ears.
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This pressure bump was created
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when d .b. Cooper jumped off
the back airstairs
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and the airstairs
snapped back up
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into the bottom of the fuselage.
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That bump holds the key
to everything.
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Estimating where and when
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that bump took place is key.
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It determined the area
in which FBI, air force,
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and local law enforcement
members looked for Cooper
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in a coordinated ground search
that lasted for months.
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Eric: The FBI
never found anything
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in their original search area.
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And my research indicates
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that the reason
they came up empty-handed
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was because they were actually
searching in the wrong place.
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Why were they searching
in the wrong place?
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Because the flight path
was off.
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Understanding that pressure bump
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and identifying
the correct search area
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will allow US to ask the basic
fundamental questions.
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To test his theory
about the plane's path,
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Eric is meeting
with the person charged
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with tracking flight 305
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on the night of the hijacking.
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The air traffic controller
on duty, cliff ammerman.
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Cliff: My name
is cliff ammerman.
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And, I'm a retired
air traffic controller.
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I worked at the Seattle center
air route traffic control
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from 1969 till 1998.
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Eric: Did the FBI
or law enforcement at all
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ever reach out to you?
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Never did.
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I never got a request
like that at all.
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What did you know about 305?
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I mean, I assume you knew
it was a skyjacked jet?
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Cliff: We knew
it was a hijacking.
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We didn't have
a flight plan on it
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because nobody knew exactly
what the routing was gonna be,
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so we were told,
"just follow him.
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Keep everybody else
away from him."
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It became fairly obvious
that he was on Victor 23.
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Victor 23 is one airway in
a low-altitude airway structure
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that's nationwide.
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It's a system of ground-based
navigational aids
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that pilots can follow,
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and it allows them to hold
a track over the ground.
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Just like when you're on
interstate 5 in a car,
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Victor 23 is a highway
in the sky.
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Eric: The first priority here
when tackling this case
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is trying to figure out the path
that the jet took.
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Can you Gauge how precisely
you could identify
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the exact location
of flight 305?
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Yeah.
What I'm looking at is a map
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on a video screen.
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Aircrafts are
being presented in
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what would look to you
like an equal sign.
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And on the leading slash,
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the aircraft itself could be
anyplace on that line.
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So it could be in the center,
it might be at the left side
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of the line, it might be at
the right side. We don't know.
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Any idea of roughly
what kind of distance
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you're looking at there?
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I would guess four to five
nautical miles long,
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that line is.
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How do you know that
he's actually within Victor 23
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if you've got sort of that much
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play there?
-Cliff: Sure. Sure.
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It's very uncertain just exactly
where the airplane was
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within that target area
that we're seeing.
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So, where's
the airplane actually?
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Eric: There's quite a bit
of variance in there.
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Indeed, the jet could have
actually been a handful of miles
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outside of this
Victor 23 airway,
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and not have been noticed
by anyone.
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It seems to indicate
that the jet indeed took a path
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that was more along
the western side,
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that lines it up with the money
find and all that good stuff,
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that is not at all consistent
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with the official version
of the flight path.
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The pilot of northwest 305
also said
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that they were not looking
far enough west.
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Eric: Well,
that confirms it for me.
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Yeah.
-That's an area that
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they should have looked,
but they didn't look.
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Fishburne: Convinced the
plane was actually eight miles
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west of the original
FBI search zone,
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Eric and his team head up
to a remote wilderness refuge
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that's never been searched.
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They're looking for any
evidence of d.B. Cooper,
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including possible remains
of his parachute.
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Hey. Hey. How's it going?
-How's it going?
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Eric ulis.
-Hey. Ryan.
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Fishburne: To maximize the
time he'll have on the ground,
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Eric first takes to the sky
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to see how closely
his search lines up
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with an area known
as Tina bar.
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In 1980, the FBI found
important evidence there.
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Man: A child has led the FBI
to the start of a trail
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it hopes it'll help them solve
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the eight-and-a-half-year-old
mystery of skyjacker
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d.b. Cooper.
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The first break
in the only unsolved
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airplane hijacking
in United States history
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came on a Columbia river beach,
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along the
Oregon-Washington border
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where an eight-year-old boy
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dug up the shreds
of $3,000 on sunday.
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The money was found
about 20 miles
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from the FBI's original
search zone.
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Also, it was found
about eight or nine miles
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against the current
along the Columbia river.
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So there was no possible way
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that the money
just washed ashore.
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The bundles of 20s were found
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just below the surface
of the sand,
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neatly stacked upon each other
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with the original
rubber band still intact.
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So by all appearances,
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it looks like somebody
actually buried
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those three packets of 20s.
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Fishburne: Since it's
impossible to know the precise
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altitude at which Cooper pulled
his parachute ripcord,
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Eric plans to search
a wide area the FBI missed.
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The first is an island
a few miles north of Tina bar.
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The second zone
is an extended Meadow
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along the tree line on the west
side of the train tracks.
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If Cooper landed there,
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Eric believes
he could have walked south
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along these train tracks
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crossing over from the mainland
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at the river s bridge
to Tina bar.
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Eric thinks Cooper might have
buried the ransom here
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temporarily, and then fled.
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The third zone,
private properties
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across from the refuge
provide access
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to a large untouched ravine
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which could have given
perfect cover for d.B. Cooper.
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Eric:
Part of what has guided me
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to these three specific
search areas
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is that they're pristine
and largely untouched
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in the last 50 years.
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Eric ulis.
Good to meet you.
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I'm thinking about, you know,
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the 12 years of research
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I have put into this case.
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This is what I have
been waiting for,
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the opportunity to actually
get boots on the ground
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and dig through the brush
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and look for those
missing parachutes,
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look for any sign
of d.B. Cooper.
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Fishburne:
Eric ulis has investigated
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the d.B. Cooper case
for 12 years.
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Cliff:
The pilot of northwest 305
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also said that they were not
looking far enough west.
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Fishburne: Convinced the FBI
misjudged
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the hijacked plane's
flight path,
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Eric's assembled a team
to look for new evidence.
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They hope to find something
to reopen this cold case.
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Alex: Hey.
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Eric: Hey, you guys.
How you doing?
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Alex: Alex gall
with archeological services.
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This area was home to thousands
of native American's villages.
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So in order for the project
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to have special access
to the refuge,
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it needed an archeologist
to join the project,
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and,
that archeologist is me.
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Given the terrain,
it's gonna be--
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require a lot of luck.
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Fishburne: Accompanying Eric
on his mission,
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geophysicist, Colin miazga,
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who will help examine
any ground disturbance
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or man-made materials
left behind by the skyjacker.
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Colin:
With my geoscience background,
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you look for man-made objects.
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In this case though,
there's a very small object
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in a very big area,
so it's incredibly challenging.
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There's just so much
ground to cover,
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and the only real best way
to do that
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is by physically walking
over the area.
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Who wouldn't wanna be the person
responsible for solving,
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a 50-year-old case
that the FBI gave up on,
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essentially?
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Fishburne: He's also enlisted
the help of
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local search and rescue
volunteers,
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Jason Cole and Barry Wells.
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Both have a vast knowledge
of the area.
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I was here
when the event happened,
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and there was a lot of theories
going around.
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Eric: So, today,
what we're gonna be doing
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is getting on the boats.
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We're gonna be traveling
along the lake river
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up to the Columbia river.
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Then once we're
on the Columbia river,
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we're gonna go upstream
a little bit.
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This area
we're talking about here
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was not part
of the original search area.
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And obviously, the fact
that it's a refuge as well
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and is off-limits to people,
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-essentially--
-Jason: Yeah.
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Provides a real opportunity
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where the stuff
would have never been found.
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Ready to find d.B. Cooper?
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Fishburne: With restrictions
in place
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to protect the local wildlife,
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Eric and his team
must also contact
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the state environmental expert
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before they can begin
their search on the island.
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Hey, Brent.
How you doing? Um...
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Brent: Good, Eric.
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We'll work our way north,
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see if we can actually get over
to where you are
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because I think the refuge
is where we wanna start
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versus the dnr land.
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- And then we'll--
-Brent: Right.
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We'll go from there.
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Let's get these guys over
on this shoreline here.
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Landfall, here we go.
-Right now, we're on,
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Washington department
of natural resources land.
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And basically
at the tree line there
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is where the wildlife refuge
starts.
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They'll be limited
in the tools they can use,
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and are forbidden
to dig anything up
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or remove any evidence
from the refuge.
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If you wanna go over
some of these,
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maps that I pulled.
-Eric: This is 1970.
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Alex: So this '70.
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Compared to now,
the footprint...
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Alex: It's pretty--
it looks pretty stable.
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Eric:
Looks pretty consistent.
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So the only-- the only thing
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that might give US
a little pause
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is the 1996 aerial.
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Eric: I know there was quite
a bit of flooding in '96.
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So it looks like to me
that this area here
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is actually under water.
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In 1996, there was actually
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a very big flood
in the area.
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In reality, if the parachutes
were in that area,
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they could have easily been
swept out to the Columbia river
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and out to the pacific ocean.
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I believe that the parachutes
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were placed a little bit
farther inland
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which wasn't affected
nearly as much.
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Alex: So you said the parachute
was white and the--
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Eric:
The parachute itself was white.
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--And the pack was green?
-That's correct.
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Alex: Always helps me to know
what colors to be looking for.
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It's dark green. Yeah. Yeah.
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Fishburne: Eric's team
is looking for d.B. Cooper's
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missing parachutes
and other evidence,
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including his attache case,
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ransom notes,
or unrecovered money.
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They must notify
local authorities
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and the FBI immediately
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if they find anything.
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But Eric's search permit
for the refuge
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is limited and will expire.
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We'll just start working off
from this direction
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and work our way through.
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Eric: A little bit of rain.
-Woman: Today.
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Until end of day and tomorrow.
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Eric: I think we got to go
a little farther down
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to the open field basically.
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Brent: I was surprised-- or is.
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At how he was dressed
as businessman.
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Eric:
You bring up a great point
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because a lot of people said,
you know,
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"who in their right mind
would jump
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into the middle of the woods
wearing, loafers
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and a-- and a tie."
-Brent:
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Eric:
And I've always argued, nobody.
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I believe that the evidence
clearly shows
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that d.B. Cooper
intended to jump
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initially in the outskirts
of Seattle.
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Fishburne: After the skyjacking,
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flight attendant, Tina mucklow,
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told authorities
that d.B. Cooper
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was visibly frustrated
and complained to her
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about how the money
was delivered.
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Tina:
He, made me feel very sure
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that, we had a very real
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and horrifying threat.
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Eric: When the money showed up,
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it was not in a knapsack
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as he requested.
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It was actually just delivered
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in a white open-top
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canvas bank bag.
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It didn't have any zippers,
didn't have any snaps,
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didn't even have a handle
on it.
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Cooper needed
to figure out a way
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to secure the top
of that bank bag.
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If he didn't,
the force of the free fall
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would have immediately ejected
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all of the cash out of that bag.
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It was also reported
by copilot, bill rataczek,
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that Cooper had difficulties
lowering the airstairs.
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He called US on the interphone
and requested that,
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he was having trouble
with the stairs.
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"I can't get the stairs down."
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Eric believes
these delays forced Cooper
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to jump into rougher terrain
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than originally planned.
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Eric: I think
that's really ground zero,
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-as far as--
-Alex: Yeah.
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Eric: --Searching for
the d .b. Cooper's parachutes
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if he landed in this area.
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And basically we need to start
right around here
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where these thicker bushes are,
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but start working our way down
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around to the south.
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Alex: Along the edges?
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Fishburne: To ensure
a thorough ground search,
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the team walks at arm's length
from each other,
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searching in a traditional
grid pattern.
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Let's move.
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Eric: Looks like
a UN-penetrable wall back there,
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so I'm not even gonna try that.
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Alex: It's pretty thick
in front of US here.
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Eric: This stuff is brutal.
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Woman:.
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Yikes.
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Eric: Yeah.
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That looks prime spot
to dump a parachute.
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Alex: Exactly.
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Fishburne: Eric believes
Cooper left his parachute
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behind wherever he landed.
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Eric: All the soil around here
is pretty packed Clay.
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Um, there's no way he's digging
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more than whatever he could kick
with his boot.
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Alex: Right.
And it's dark too,
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right?
-Eric: Yeah.
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Alex: So he couldn't get
too far in there.
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Eric: No.
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Although the parachute
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may have deteriorated,
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metallic and nylon material
could have survived.
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Alex found some...
-Let's check it out.
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It's really the first sign
of human activity
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I've seen in here.
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Yeah.
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This could be promising.
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Fishburne: Searching on
federally-protected land
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on an island along
the Washington-Oregon border,
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investigator, Eric ulis,
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and his team make
what they hope
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is a significant discovery.
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Alex found some...
-Let's check it out.
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It's really the first sign
of human activity
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I've seen in here.
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Yeah.
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This could be promising.
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Alex: I don't know anything
about parachutes
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-and the kinds of--
-yeah.
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Shroud lines they would use.
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The problem is the color
of the shroud lines
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were, either white
or light pink.
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And so that would not be
part of...
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Okay.
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D.b. Cooper's parachute.
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This area is clear.
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Fishburne: After 10
grueling hours,
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the team ends the search
for the day.
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Eric: With the restrictions
that we have from the refuge,
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limiting the number of people
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that we can actually
search with,
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and seeing
how vast this area is,
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and how dense the growth is
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that we have to fight through,
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it just made me realize
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how difficult this search
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is actually going to be.
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Fishburne: With only a few days
remaining to search
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what he believes
is the landing area,
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Eric reviews the mystery
of d.B. Cooper.
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Eric:
There are really two parts
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to the d.B. Copper mystery.
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There's the part that relates
to what actually happened...
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Man: All these years later,
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they're still looking
for d.B. Cooper.
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Everything FBI special agent
Larry carr
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has on Cooper
fits in one battered box,
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mostly what Cooper left
on the plane.
507
00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:15,333
Eric:
...And there is this other part
508
00:22:15,418 --> 00:22:18,127
that relates
to who the guy actually was.
509
00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:19,545
Larry:
D.b. Cooper came from someone.
510
00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:21,005
He came from somewhere.
511
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:23,007
You know, he just didn't
miracle himself here.
512
00:22:23,092 --> 00:22:27,845
And so,
someone has information.
513
00:22:27,889 --> 00:22:30,014
Fishburne: During the 45 years
that d.B. Cooper's
514
00:22:30,099 --> 00:22:32,058
skyjacking case remained open,
515
00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,852
the FBI investigated
more than a thousand
516
00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:36,854
possible suspects.
517
00:22:36,939 --> 00:22:39,523
Some simply matched
the crime sketch.
518
00:22:39,567 --> 00:22:42,693
Others confessed
on their death beds.
519
00:22:42,779 --> 00:22:45,696
Hospitalized here in Florida
with kidney disease,
520
00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:48,491
Duane weber motioned
to his wife to come close.
521
00:22:48,534 --> 00:22:51,619
He says I have a secret
to tell you.
522
00:22:51,704 --> 00:22:52,787
I said, "what?"
523
00:22:52,872 --> 00:22:55,247
He says, "I'm Dan Cooper."
524
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,708
Fishburne: Even a woman was
investigated,
525
00:22:57,794 --> 00:22:59,710
pilot Barbara Dayton.
526
00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:02,380
Eric's determined to provide
a definitive answer
527
00:23:02,465 --> 00:23:04,382
about one person of interest,
528
00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:07,218
a man DNA-tested in 2003
529
00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:09,345
but never publicly eliminated.
530
00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:13,516
Eric believes this man
could be d.B. Cooper.
531
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,685
His name is Sheridan Peterson.
532
00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:18,771
Eric:
He actually became a suspect
533
00:23:18,856 --> 00:23:22,358
within one week
of the skyjacking.
534
00:23:22,402 --> 00:23:25,403
However,
it wasn't even until 2003,
535
00:23:25,446 --> 00:23:28,572
the FBI was actually able
to interview him.
536
00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:33,953
That FBI agent was a woman
named Mary Jean fryar.
537
00:23:34,038 --> 00:23:37,248
And what she told me
when I first reached out to her
538
00:23:37,291 --> 00:23:40,918
has completely changed
the trajectory in my case.
539
00:23:40,962 --> 00:23:42,044
I'm Mary Jean fryar.
540
00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:43,587
I'm a special agent with the FBI
541
00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:46,090
from 1985 to 2006.
542
00:23:46,175 --> 00:23:49,093
In 2003, I received,
543
00:23:49,178 --> 00:23:51,011
a communication
from the Seattle office
544
00:23:51,097 --> 00:23:54,890
to locate and interview
Sheridan Peterson
545
00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:57,059
who was residing in Santa Rosa
546
00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,438
and obtain
a voluntary DNA sample.
547
00:24:00,523 --> 00:24:03,607
Eric: In late 2007,
the FBI announced
548
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:06,777
that they had
a partial DNA profile
549
00:24:06,821 --> 00:24:10,448
that they've got
from d.B. Cooper's clip-on tie.
550
00:24:10,533 --> 00:24:12,950
Man: This is the tie
we got the DNA from.
551
00:24:12,994 --> 00:24:16,328
Eric: This could explain
why the FBI had Mary Jean fryar
552
00:24:16,414 --> 00:24:19,623
obtain a DNA sample
from Sheridan Peterson
553
00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:22,793
to compare it against
the partial DNA profile.
554
00:24:22,837 --> 00:24:25,463
Mary Jean: When I met
with Sheridan Peterson in 2003,
555
00:24:25,548 --> 00:24:28,299
it was special
because it was a historic case.
556
00:24:28,384 --> 00:24:31,385
During my training
at the FBI academy,
557
00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:33,262
we had instructors
that came in
558
00:24:33,347 --> 00:24:34,805
and, talked about it.
559
00:24:34,891 --> 00:24:37,641
Sheridan's alibi,
since I talked to him in 2003,
560
00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:39,602
was always that he was present
in Nepal
561
00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:40,978
for his children's birth.
562
00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:42,438
He was saying
he wasn't in the country
563
00:24:42,523 --> 00:24:44,315
so he couldn't have been
d.B. Cooper.
564
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,318
He did show me his birth
certificates of his kids,
565
00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:49,320
but his wife could have
very easily given birth
566
00:24:49,363 --> 00:24:50,446
without him there.
567
00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:52,823
Sheridan worked
in the department
568
00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:55,784
that literally wrote
the flight manual
569
00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:58,162
for the boeing 727 jet.
570
00:24:58,206 --> 00:25:00,956
He worked as a smokejumper
in Montana.
571
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
He's an expert skydiver.
572
00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:05,586
He's a former boeing employee.
573
00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:07,296
Then in 1966,
574
00:25:07,381 --> 00:25:09,840
Sheridan found himself
in Vietnam
575
00:25:09,884 --> 00:25:12,176
working as a refugee adviser
576
00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:14,803
until August of 1970
577
00:25:14,847 --> 00:25:17,264
when he and his wife
moved to Nepal.
578
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:20,684
There is nothing
that Sheridan can point to
579
00:25:20,728 --> 00:25:24,230
that proves unequivocally
that he was in Nepal
580
00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:27,191
at the time that
the skyjacking took place,
581
00:25:27,235 --> 00:25:29,818
with the exception
of the second wife.
582
00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:32,696
The problem is,
according to Sheridan,
583
00:25:32,782 --> 00:25:36,325
his second wife died in 1977.
584
00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:41,413
Eric: Sheridan Peterson
was interviewed for a program
585
00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:43,541
related to d.B. Cooper,
586
00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:46,043
and there are some
inconsistencies in there.
587
00:25:46,087 --> 00:25:49,547
There are things that he stated
that just don't add up.
588
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:51,423
There are two things
that I found
589
00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,759
that could rule Sheridan out
as a suspect.
590
00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:56,720
There's some discrepancy
with respect to eye color.
591
00:25:56,764 --> 00:25:59,723
Specifically,
Sheridan has blue eyes,
592
00:25:59,809 --> 00:26:04,061
and the FBI's very first
description of d.B. Cooper
593
00:26:04,146 --> 00:26:06,564
had him having brown eyes.
594
00:26:06,607 --> 00:26:09,775
However, very quickly
after they put up
595
00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:12,027
the initial description
for d.B. Cooper,
596
00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:14,488
the FBI updated the description
597
00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:15,864
and described d.B. Cooper
598
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:19,159
as possibly
having brown eyes.
599
00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:22,079
The second being,
we know that d.B. Cooper
600
00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:23,539
definitely smoked cigarettes.
601
00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:25,708
In fact,
he smoked eight cigarettes
602
00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:27,418
during the skyjacking.
603
00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:30,754
I have never been able to prove
that Sheridan Peterson
604
00:26:30,798 --> 00:26:32,381
was ever a smoker.
605
00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:34,341
Fishburne: Eric's asked
Mary Jean
606
00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:37,344
to help secure an interview
with Sheridan.
607
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:41,098
Her goal, get him to request
his DNA test results.
608
00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:46,770
Now, we can't use DNA
to prove that he was d.B. Cooper
609
00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:49,231
because the profile
that the FBI has
610
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:52,776
is only a partial DNA profile.
611
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:54,945
But if we can get
Sheridan Peterson
612
00:26:54,989 --> 00:26:56,030
to actually request
613
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:58,782
to get his DNA
comparison results
614
00:26:58,868 --> 00:27:00,409
from the FBI,
615
00:27:00,453 --> 00:27:02,328
we may actually be able to prove
616
00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:06,290
definitively that
he wasn't d .b. Cooper.
617
00:27:18,346 --> 00:27:19,595
Fishburne: Back on the refuge,
618
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,805
Eric ulis and his team
of investigators
619
00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:24,016
continue their hunt.
620
00:27:24,101 --> 00:27:26,644
Yesterday, they searched
a remote island.
621
00:27:26,687 --> 00:27:30,564
Today, they're searching
an extended Meadow area.
622
00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:33,400
None of this land
has been searched before
623
00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:36,153
because the FBI used
a different flight path
624
00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:39,615
to calculate its search area
in 1971.
625
00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:41,325
If Eric can find any evidence
626
00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:43,118
that d.B. Cooper landed here,
627
00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,329
it might lead
to finally identifying
628
00:27:45,414 --> 00:27:46,997
the skyjacker.
629
00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:50,459
Eric: All right.
So, today,
630
00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:52,169
we're continuing the search
631
00:27:52,213 --> 00:27:54,046
for the missing parachutes.
632
00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:55,839
We've got our survivalist
633
00:27:55,925 --> 00:27:57,966
with US as well, Dan.
634
00:27:58,052 --> 00:27:59,802
I'm Dan baird.
I'm a backcountry
635
00:27:59,887 --> 00:28:01,303
guidance survival expert.
636
00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:03,931
I'm not an expert
on d.B. Cooper himself,
637
00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:06,433
but to me, it seems like
it's a survival situation.
638
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:07,726
I'm looking forward
to the search,
639
00:28:07,812 --> 00:28:09,186
this is gonna be awesome.
640
00:28:09,271 --> 00:28:12,189
There are several copycat jumps
that took place
641
00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:14,024
after Cooper's jump.
642
00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:15,693
Every single person
643
00:28:15,736 --> 00:28:17,361
who did it survived.
644
00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:21,699
Fishburne: Although every
copycat jumper survived,
645
00:28:21,742 --> 00:28:24,368
none of them got away
with the crime.
646
00:28:24,453 --> 00:28:27,871
Most notable,
a man named Richard Floyd McCoy
647
00:28:27,915 --> 00:28:29,915
who, in 1972, remained free
648
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,502
for two days
before being arrested.
649
00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:34,837
It seems that the real challenge
650
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,047
comes once he hits the ground,
651
00:28:37,091 --> 00:28:39,049
how he gets out of the area.
652
00:28:42,138 --> 00:28:44,722
Dan: Were these tracks
in place at that time?
653
00:28:44,807 --> 00:28:47,558
Man: Yes, they were.
-Eric: Yeah, they were. Yup.
654
00:28:47,643 --> 00:28:51,603
We're on top
of the bnsf railway tracks.
655
00:28:51,689 --> 00:28:53,731
If d.B. Cooper landed
in this area,
656
00:28:53,816 --> 00:28:56,734
the railroad tracks
provide a perfect corridor
657
00:28:56,777 --> 00:28:59,361
that he could've used
to get to tena bar
658
00:28:59,447 --> 00:29:01,196
where the money was found.
659
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,823
Dan: Do you ever think
of looking into
660
00:29:02,908 --> 00:29:04,575
what the train schedule
was like that night?
661
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:06,910
If he landed,
started walking for 20 minutes,
662
00:29:06,996 --> 00:29:09,580
half hour, I'm sure
the train would've gone by.
663
00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:11,415
Eric:
There was a railroad conductor
664
00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:13,417
who was driving down
the tracks that night
665
00:29:13,502 --> 00:29:16,587
who actually
did report to the FBI
666
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,047
that there was somebody
on the tracks.
667
00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:21,258
And it's important
to remember
668
00:29:21,343 --> 00:29:23,093
that as the conductor
was bringing this
669
00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,721
to the attention of the FBI,
670
00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:27,264
the FBI actually thinks
671
00:29:27,308 --> 00:29:29,391
that d.B. Cooper landed six,
672
00:29:29,435 --> 00:29:31,810
or seven, or eight miles east
673
00:29:31,896 --> 00:29:33,103
of the railroad tracks.
674
00:29:34,857 --> 00:29:37,775
Eric: Today, we're gonna be
doing half of the Meadow,
675
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:39,777
because there's just
too much territory
676
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:40,986
to cover in one day.
677
00:29:41,071 --> 00:29:42,780
Tomorrow, we'll deal
with the other half.
678
00:29:42,865 --> 00:29:45,616
That said,
the search starts right here.
679
00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:47,743
Barry: There's gonna be four
of US that really have to work
680
00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:49,870
as the actual line searchers.
681
00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:52,122
These guys are gonna be
a little bit more independent.
682
00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:56,251
Eric: I'll look along
the edge here a bit.
683
00:29:56,337 --> 00:29:57,795
That's due north.
684
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,297
Eric: We need to work our way
and go further north.
685
00:30:00,382 --> 00:30:01,965
Colin: It's more
of like a pinpoint
686
00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:03,300
-so then it'll open up--
-Eric: Yeah.
687
00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:04,802
Colin: --It'll make it
really sensitive
688
00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:06,470
so you pick up everything.
-Your receiver, yeah.
689
00:30:06,514 --> 00:30:08,305
And then you can kind of do
your crisscross...
690
00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:09,932
And if I left it on that,
it would be like, woo.
691
00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:12,142
Colin: Exactly.
-It's messed up. Okay.
692
00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:15,312
Eric: Somebody landing
in some place like this
693
00:30:15,356 --> 00:30:17,815
in the middle of this thicket,
that would be pretty brutal.
694
00:30:17,858 --> 00:30:19,149
I mean, I just don't see
how you land
695
00:30:19,235 --> 00:30:20,776
in something like this
696
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:22,820
without getting injured.
697
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,822
Fishburne: On the night
d.B. Cooper jumped,
698
00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:27,825
moderate wind gust upwards
of 11 miles per hour
699
00:30:27,868 --> 00:30:29,451
were reported on the ground
700
00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:31,829
with sporadic rainfall.
701
00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:34,456
When Cooper hit land,
he would've experienced
702
00:30:34,542 --> 00:30:38,126
ground temperatures
dropping into the 30s.
703
00:30:38,212 --> 00:30:39,503
Eric: It's so swampy
right here.
704
00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:44,967
Eric: Is it dry over there,
Jason, or...
705
00:30:45,052 --> 00:30:46,844
Jason: Yeah, if you come
around the north side,
706
00:30:46,887 --> 00:30:49,596
follow the grass.
707
00:30:52,393 --> 00:30:54,476
Alex: Can I go forward
and back a little bit?
708
00:30:57,231 --> 00:30:58,856
This could be promising.
709
00:30:58,899 --> 00:30:59,356
Found it.
710
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:05,237
Jason: Yeah, if you come
around the north side,
711
00:31:05,322 --> 00:31:06,697
follow the grass.
712
00:31:06,782 --> 00:31:08,740
Fishburne: Eric ulis
and his search team
713
00:31:08,826 --> 00:31:10,742
are in a protected
wildlife refuge
714
00:31:10,828 --> 00:31:12,703
in southwest Washington,
715
00:31:12,746 --> 00:31:15,372
searching for evidence
that d.B. Cooper
716
00:31:15,416 --> 00:31:17,124
landed here.
717
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:19,543
Halfway through searching
a large Meadow area,
718
00:31:19,628 --> 00:31:22,212
they uncover something
that could be connected
719
00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:23,881
with this unsolved myself.
720
00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:25,966
Alex: I think I pinpointed
where it is.
721
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:27,968
Fishburne: Cooper's nb6
parachute
722
00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,887
had stainless steel parts.
723
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:31,346
Alex: Just,
this must've been an old...
724
00:31:31,432 --> 00:31:33,265
So a hit
on the metal detector
725
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:36,101
is encouraging news.
726
00:31:36,186 --> 00:31:37,895
Alex: Yeah, looks about it.
727
00:31:37,938 --> 00:31:39,438
It's either
two separate objects
728
00:31:39,523 --> 00:31:42,399
or one slightly stretched out
729
00:31:42,443 --> 00:31:44,067
like the backpack
I think would be.
730
00:31:44,153 --> 00:31:46,778
Eric: All right.
We got something on the ground.
731
00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,280
Wow. So what does that mean
732
00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,783
as far as, the size
of the piece?
733
00:31:51,869 --> 00:31:53,869
Colin:
With any metal detection,
734
00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:56,038
it's hard to get size
735
00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:57,581
until you start digging it up
736
00:31:57,666 --> 00:32:00,292
because you could have
something really small
737
00:32:00,377 --> 00:32:02,294
that's really conductive
right at surface
738
00:32:02,379 --> 00:32:05,422
and that's gonna give you
a really solid response.
739
00:32:05,507 --> 00:32:07,257
But if you have
something larger
740
00:32:07,343 --> 00:32:09,384
that-- that's at depth,
it could actually give you a--
741
00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:11,178
it'll give you
a smaller response.
742
00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:13,931
And so it's just how close
the object is to the sensors.
743
00:32:13,974 --> 00:32:15,557
Fishburne: Although the
metal detector
744
00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:17,726
registered a strong hit,
745
00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:20,646
the size of the object,
how conductive it is
746
00:32:20,731 --> 00:32:22,439
and how close it is
to the surface,
747
00:32:22,524 --> 00:32:26,151
can all influence
the strength of the signal.
748
00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:27,444
Alex:
It seems really pinpointed
749
00:32:27,488 --> 00:32:30,822
at that little soft spot
right there.
750
00:32:30,908 --> 00:32:32,366
I mean, that's a robust signal.
751
00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:34,451
I mean, clearly,
there's something down there.
752
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,831
Colin: Well then maybe...
753
00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:40,832
Alex: There we are.
754
00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:44,002
Wire.
-Colin: A wire.
755
00:32:44,088 --> 00:32:45,671
What kind of wire though?
756
00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:48,632
Parachute pull cord?
757
00:32:48,676 --> 00:32:51,677
Alex: So the wire
has to stay on the ground, so...
758
00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:52,844
Eric: Let me--
let me try to see
759
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:54,137
if I got cell service in here.
760
00:32:54,181 --> 00:32:56,098
I'll give Mark
a really quick call.
761
00:32:57,309 --> 00:33:00,852
Mark Meltzer
is an expert skydiver.
762
00:33:00,938 --> 00:33:02,646
He's gonna know this parachute
763
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:04,147
inside and out.
764
00:33:04,191 --> 00:33:06,900
So, he's the perfect person
to reach out to
765
00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:10,612
to see if he recognizes
this piece of wire
766
00:33:10,698 --> 00:33:12,614
and if he thinks
it has anything
767
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,200
to do with the parachute.
768
00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:16,660
Mark: Eric?
-Eric: Hey, Mark.
769
00:33:16,745 --> 00:33:18,328
Yeah, it's Eric.
So we found what appears
770
00:33:18,414 --> 00:33:21,373
to be like a wire,
buried,
771
00:33:21,458 --> 00:33:23,333
kind of half buried in here.
772
00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:25,502
Is there any sort of wire?
773
00:33:25,546 --> 00:33:27,170
It's a little heavier
Gauge wire,
774
00:33:27,256 --> 00:33:29,506
anything like that
in the-- in the parachutes,
775
00:33:29,591 --> 00:33:32,342
either the reserve
or the, the main
776
00:33:32,428 --> 00:33:33,927
that would--
that's consistent with that?
777
00:33:34,013 --> 00:33:35,554
Mark: In the pilot--
in the pilot chute,
778
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:37,431
there's a spring,
it's not stranded.
779
00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:39,558
It's solid wire,
but it's springy.
780
00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:41,059
So what kind of Gauge
are we talking about,
781
00:33:41,145 --> 00:33:42,894
relative to, like, the size
782
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:46,231
of a, a hangar, for example?
783
00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:47,399
Mark: About the same.
784
00:33:47,484 --> 00:33:49,401
Okay. Is it okay
if we take a picture
785
00:33:49,486 --> 00:33:50,694
and send the picture to you
786
00:33:50,738 --> 00:33:53,238
and just kind of get
your impression?
787
00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:54,448
Mark: Yeah, that's fine.
788
00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:57,242
Okay.
Hold on a second here, Mark.
789
00:33:57,327 --> 00:33:58,910
Mark: Is it-- is it rusty?
790
00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,787
Eric: I mean, it's not shiny,
but it doesn't appear
791
00:34:00,873 --> 00:34:03,040
to be rusted to me, but...
792
00:34:04,001 --> 00:34:05,417
Let me send this over to you.
793
00:34:05,502 --> 00:34:07,335
Hopefully, it lets me
794
00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:08,920
send it out to you here.
795
00:34:09,006 --> 00:34:10,464
And then you can
just shoot me a callback
796
00:34:10,549 --> 00:34:11,923
as soon as you have a chance
to take a look at it.
797
00:34:12,009 --> 00:34:13,425
Mark: Okay. Try that.
-All right.
798
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:15,218
Thanks, Mark.
-Mark: All right.
799
00:34:15,304 --> 00:34:17,095
Eric: There's an old road
in here, too,
800
00:34:17,181 --> 00:34:19,723
about a hundred yards in.
801
00:34:19,767 --> 00:34:21,933
- Man:
-Eric: Had a gate on it even.
802
00:34:22,019 --> 00:34:25,771
Let's see what kind of metal
they used on the fencing here.
803
00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:27,939
But that's what it looks like
actually right there.
804
00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:29,232
Eric: Yeah.
805
00:34:29,318 --> 00:34:30,734
Barry: That's what
it looks like.
806
00:34:30,778 --> 00:34:32,235
Yeah, as you can see
down there-- down there,
807
00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:34,237
that's how they secure
the post together
808
00:34:34,281 --> 00:34:36,281
and make them stand up.
-Eric: Yeah.
809
00:34:36,366 --> 00:34:37,824
Barry:
It looked just like that.
810
00:34:37,910 --> 00:34:41,787
It looked just like that,
exactly like that.
811
00:34:41,872 --> 00:34:44,289
Alex: At least we have an idea
of what it is now, so--
812
00:34:44,374 --> 00:34:46,917
yeah, that appears
to be the case.
813
00:34:47,002 --> 00:34:49,920
I was hoping that we would
have found something
814
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:52,464
a little bit more concrete
at this point.
815
00:34:52,549 --> 00:34:54,716
We've only got more day left
816
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,259
to search the refuge,
817
00:34:56,345 --> 00:34:58,970
then it's onto searching
the private property.
818
00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:04,684
Fishburne: While Eric
and the team call it a day,
819
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:07,062
retired FBI agent,
Mary Jean fryar,
820
00:35:07,147 --> 00:35:09,189
is in Santa Rosa.
821
00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:11,483
She's spoken
with Sheridan Peterson.
822
00:35:11,568 --> 00:35:13,318
Eric's key person of interest.
823
00:35:13,403 --> 00:35:15,862
And now, she said
she has even more reason
824
00:35:15,948 --> 00:35:19,741
to believe
he could be d.B. Cooper.
825
00:35:19,785 --> 00:35:21,993
In September, I received
826
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,246
communication
from Sheridan Peterson,
827
00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,956
which was very strange.
828
00:35:25,999 --> 00:35:28,166
I've never had another person
I've ever interviewed
829
00:35:28,252 --> 00:35:30,085
in my 21.4 years
830
00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:31,837
ever contact me again.
831
00:35:31,922 --> 00:35:33,880
And he sent me two messages
832
00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:36,258
about things
that were upsetting him
833
00:35:36,343 --> 00:35:39,845
and signed them both d.B.
834
00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,557
I think Sheridan
loves the simulation,
835
00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:46,017
the engagement,
the thrill of him
836
00:35:46,103 --> 00:35:48,645
being a suspect as d.B. Cooper.
837
00:35:48,689 --> 00:35:50,647
Ashley: Do you think
that he could be d.B. Cooper?
838
00:35:50,691 --> 00:35:52,983
Yeah, I do.
839
00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:54,568
Fishburne: To prepare for
her meeting,
840
00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:57,070
Mary Jean watches
an interview Sheridan did
841
00:35:57,156 --> 00:36:00,407
for a 2016 documentary.
842
00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,868
In it, Sheridan acknowledges
he sky jumped
843
00:36:02,953 --> 00:36:04,703
at issaquah skyport,
844
00:36:04,788 --> 00:36:07,038
the place that supplied
the parachutes d.B. Cooper
845
00:36:07,124 --> 00:36:11,668
requested during flight 305
skyjacking.
846
00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:13,712
Sheridan:
I was the most obvious,
847
00:36:13,797 --> 00:36:16,214
suspect of anyone.
848
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,009
I have jumped in issaquah
849
00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:22,095
and I got
my instructor's license there.
850
00:36:22,181 --> 00:36:27,309
And that is where the guy
got the parachutes
851
00:36:27,394 --> 00:36:30,061
and I had worked
for, um, boeing.
852
00:36:30,147 --> 00:36:31,605
Mary Jean: He's building
a very good case
853
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:33,023
against himself.
854
00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:36,860
Sheridan: She said,
"where were you?"
855
00:36:36,904 --> 00:36:38,695
And I said,
"I was in the park."
856
00:36:38,739 --> 00:36:40,447
"In the park. Come on.
857
00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:42,782
You can think
of a better one then."
858
00:36:42,868 --> 00:36:44,534
No, I did not say that.
859
00:36:44,578 --> 00:36:46,036
And they didn't keep track
of people
860
00:36:46,121 --> 00:36:47,746
going back and forth
from the country.
861
00:36:47,831 --> 00:36:49,122
If he was there, that's great.
862
00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:51,041
But, that doesn't prove
that he was there.
863
00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:53,293
Sheridan:
And then I told them, I said,
864
00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:55,378
"he had four parachutes."
865
00:36:55,464 --> 00:36:58,506
He had one parachute
with a red x cross
866
00:36:58,592 --> 00:36:59,758
and that was a reserve.
867
00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:03,053
Another reserve
was perfectly good.
868
00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,430
Which reserve do you take?
869
00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:08,266
The one that was Daisy-chained.
I remember that one.
870
00:37:08,352 --> 00:37:10,393
This is interesting
that he's so detailed.
871
00:37:10,479 --> 00:37:12,729
Man: Took more than taking
the right parachute,
872
00:37:12,814 --> 00:37:15,440
it also meant that the person
would have to know
873
00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:17,776
those stairs come down
on the 727.
874
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:19,277
Sheridan: I wouldn't know
what's on the--
875
00:37:19,363 --> 00:37:20,779
man: So that's what i--
that's what I'm saying,
876
00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:22,280
so anybody is saying
that you would've been
877
00:37:22,366 --> 00:37:23,949
a great d.B. Cooper,
878
00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:25,825
not if you didn't know
how to get off the airplane.
879
00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:27,619
Yeah.
880
00:37:27,704 --> 00:37:29,037
That made him nervous, you know,
881
00:37:29,122 --> 00:37:30,121
with that conversation.
882
00:37:30,207 --> 00:37:31,623
Didn't know about the stairs
883
00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,292
and he's kind of fidgeting
with his cup.
884
00:37:34,378 --> 00:37:37,629
Man: And did you ever hear
from Mary Jean again?
885
00:37:37,714 --> 00:37:40,924
She came back for some reason
886
00:37:41,009 --> 00:37:44,511
and told me
that, there's no match.
887
00:37:44,596 --> 00:37:46,137
Well, it's very fortunate
for me.
888
00:37:46,223 --> 00:37:47,806
Mary Jean: I'm about to go
see Sheridan Peterson
889
00:37:47,891 --> 00:37:50,141
for the first time since 2003
890
00:37:50,227 --> 00:37:52,310
and I'm hoping
that maybe at this point,
891
00:37:52,396 --> 00:37:55,105
he's finally ready to accept
892
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:57,148
that he's gonna tell US
that he's d.B. Cooper.
893
00:37:57,234 --> 00:37:58,400
Don't take it to your death.
894
00:37:58,443 --> 00:37:59,776
Set the record straight.
895
00:37:59,861 --> 00:38:02,320
Put this to rest
so that everyone can appreciate
896
00:38:02,406 --> 00:38:03,863
what you did and got away with,
897
00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:06,616
and not let anyone else
take credit for it.
898
00:38:11,707 --> 00:38:14,082
Fishburne: With their permit
expired at the refuge,
899
00:38:14,167 --> 00:38:17,294
Eric and his team arrive
at their final search zone,
900
00:38:17,379 --> 00:38:20,630
a ravine on private property.
901
00:38:20,674 --> 00:38:22,173
It's on lake river
902
00:38:22,259 --> 00:38:24,009
and Eric believes Cooper
could have used it
903
00:38:24,094 --> 00:38:26,970
for cover as he made his way
to tena bar
904
00:38:27,055 --> 00:38:29,639
where some ransom money
was uncovered in 1980.
905
00:38:29,725 --> 00:38:31,141
Eric: How's it going, man?
-It's going good.
906
00:38:31,226 --> 00:38:32,809
Good to see you.
-Eric: Good to see as well.
907
00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:34,936
Man: Yup. Yup. How you doing?
908
00:38:35,022 --> 00:38:37,564
Good morning.
So my name is Eric.
909
00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:39,816
Barry, I wanna thank you
very much for, um,
910
00:38:39,901 --> 00:38:41,735
getting these group
of people together
911
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,445
and why don't you give me
an idea of who we've got here?
912
00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:45,155
Because clearly
we have two different teams.
913
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,490
We have, as you see
by the different colors of blue
914
00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:49,909
and the red, so, I'm with
the southwest Washington
915
00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:51,119
search and rescue
916
00:38:51,204 --> 00:38:53,163
and, these folks here
in the red
917
00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:55,623
are with the Clark county
sheriff's office.
918
00:38:55,709 --> 00:38:57,834
Eric: How many of you
have actually heard
919
00:38:57,919 --> 00:39:00,712
of d.B. Cooper or haven't heard
of d.B. Cooper
920
00:39:00,797 --> 00:39:02,672
who are familiar with the case?
921
00:39:02,758 --> 00:39:04,299
Eric: I know you guys are.
922
00:39:04,384 --> 00:39:05,633
It'd be more surprising
if somebody
923
00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:07,844
hadn't ever heard of that.
-Yeah.
924
00:39:07,888 --> 00:39:10,138
I'd know.
925
00:39:10,223 --> 00:39:12,515
I'm from the east coast,
so this is--
926
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,017
i-- I've read
a little bit about it
927
00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:15,852
and thought it was interesting
and being here
928
00:39:15,937 --> 00:39:17,020
with the rest of the team is,
929
00:39:17,064 --> 00:39:19,189
it's exciting and it's fun.
930
00:39:19,232 --> 00:39:21,024
So, um, you know, hopefully
931
00:39:21,068 --> 00:39:22,525
we do come across something
932
00:39:22,611 --> 00:39:23,818
and, you know, get to learn
a little bit more
933
00:39:23,904 --> 00:39:26,154
about the pacific
northwest legend.
934
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,197
Eric: There's a lot of evidence
935
00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:29,783
that suggests that d.B. Cooper
936
00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,702
landed somewhere
in this vicinity.
937
00:39:32,788 --> 00:39:35,121
We did some searching
on the refuge side
938
00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:36,748
of lake river.
939
00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:39,626
Now it's time to focus
on this side of lake river.
940
00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:41,544
My thought is that Cooper,
941
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:44,005
you know, if he landed
in this area here,
942
00:39:44,091 --> 00:39:46,508
would have, you know,
walked his way down
943
00:39:46,593 --> 00:39:48,927
to the ravine looking
for a path
944
00:39:49,012 --> 00:39:50,095
out of the area,
945
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,889
a path toward
he railroad tracks.
946
00:39:52,933 --> 00:39:56,184
Fishburne: Today's search
will cover over 12 acres.
947
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:58,436
So they've doubled
their search team.
948
00:39:58,522 --> 00:40:01,523
Each member is outfitted
with a GPS tracker
949
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:04,275
and monitored
from a mobile command center.
950
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:06,569
Eric: All right.
Folks, we ready?
951
00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:09,030
Fishburne: If evidence
of d.B. Cooper is here,
952
00:40:09,116 --> 00:40:11,199
Eric's confident
his team can find it.
953
00:40:17,666 --> 00:40:18,748
Man: Right side good?
954
00:40:18,792 --> 00:40:19,791
Eric: Right good.
955
00:40:19,876 --> 00:40:21,418
Left side.
-Left side good.
956
00:40:21,503 --> 00:40:24,129
Man: Okay. Moving.
All right. Slow, methodical.
957
00:40:24,214 --> 00:40:27,090
Eric: Just follow this ravine
straight down.
958
00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:29,717
Man: Low and slow, folks.
Low and slow.
959
00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:30,927
Make sure you clear under trees
960
00:40:31,012 --> 00:40:32,595
and things like that.
961
00:40:34,015 --> 00:40:36,182
Look up every once in a while.
962
00:40:36,268 --> 00:40:38,268
Woman: Yeah,
look behind you, too.
963
00:40:38,353 --> 00:40:40,603
Man: And you can break
as much as you need to.
964
00:40:40,689 --> 00:40:43,273
Okay. We got permission.
965
00:40:43,358 --> 00:40:44,566
Eric: Keep going.
Yeah, looking good.
966
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:45,817
Man: Keep going.
-Eric: Think,
967
00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:47,610
where would I hide a parachute?
968
00:40:49,197 --> 00:40:50,488
One other thing
to consider as I look
969
00:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,282
at these trees up here,
970
00:40:52,325 --> 00:40:55,118
one of the premier suspects
971
00:40:55,203 --> 00:40:58,163
in this case
was actually a smokejumper.
972
00:40:58,248 --> 00:41:00,457
If he happened to land
in this type of environment,
973
00:41:00,542 --> 00:41:01,916
he would have known
exactly what to do
974
00:41:02,002 --> 00:41:03,293
and how to handle the situation
975
00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:05,211
if he had caught up
in these trees, you know,
976
00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:06,629
60, 70 feet up.
977
00:41:06,715 --> 00:41:08,131
We know that he had
a pocket knife on him
978
00:41:08,216 --> 00:41:09,507
and how he actually used that
979
00:41:09,593 --> 00:41:11,301
to cut some
of the shroud lines.
980
00:41:11,386 --> 00:41:13,136
So, he would have
figured out a way to get down.
981
00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:16,848
It wouldn't have been
an issue for him.
982
00:41:16,933 --> 00:41:18,099
Man: Yeah, something.
983
00:41:18,185 --> 00:41:19,851
Barry: They got, something.
984
00:41:19,936 --> 00:41:22,020
They're digging in something
over there, Eric. I'm not sure.
985
00:41:22,105 --> 00:41:23,646
Colin: Eric,
do you wanna come over here?
986
00:41:23,732 --> 00:41:25,148
Eric: Yeah. Hold on.
987
00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,567
Woman: Right. Holding.
988
00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:29,486
Yes. That's the same area.
989
00:41:31,031 --> 00:41:33,239
Hold this.
990
00:41:33,325 --> 00:41:37,285
The wine bottle
like the piece of aluminum.
991
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:38,828
Yeah, I think that's all it is.
992
00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:40,497
Eric: Yeah, some cork on it.
Yeah, it's definitely
993
00:41:40,582 --> 00:41:43,166
like a top of a wine cork.
994
00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,542
We know the guy was drinking.
995
00:41:44,628 --> 00:41:47,337
Um, had a bourbon
on the flight, you know.
996
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:48,796
This is one of those things
I'm just curious
997
00:41:48,882 --> 00:41:50,548
if he took a couple.
-Colin: Yeah.
998
00:41:50,634 --> 00:41:52,342
Yeah. I mean you never know
he's got many bottles
999
00:41:52,427 --> 00:41:54,844
with him you don't know,
so it'd be the kind items
1000
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:57,680
to save, for the heck of it,
1001
00:41:57,766 --> 00:41:59,474
but, yeah.
1002
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,518
Seems unlikely
that there's any significance,
1003
00:42:01,603 --> 00:42:05,480
but, an idea...
-Colin: Gives an idea of how--
1004
00:42:05,565 --> 00:42:06,731
how sensitive
this instrument is.
1005
00:42:06,816 --> 00:42:08,358
Eric: Yeah. All right.
1006
00:42:08,401 --> 00:42:10,318
Colin: We'll continue.
-Eric: Let's just pocket that
1007
00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:11,945
and we'll continue, yeah.
1008
00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:13,988
Colin: Does that look like
something part of a plane?
1009
00:42:19,663 --> 00:42:22,205
Cabinet or something?
1010
00:42:22,249 --> 00:42:25,124
Hey, Eric.
-Eric: Yeah.
1011
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:27,335
Do you wanna come here
for a second?
1012
00:42:27,379 --> 00:42:29,128
Eric: Yeah.
-Colin: Large metal box
1013
00:42:29,214 --> 00:42:31,589
and I assume
somebody's filled it with rocks,
1014
00:42:31,675 --> 00:42:33,258
but I just wanna make sure
that...
1015
00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:35,093
You don't have any...
-Eric: I'm gonna
1016
00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:36,302
with me.
You see it anywhere.
1017
00:42:36,388 --> 00:42:37,554
Colin: This right here.
1018
00:42:37,597 --> 00:42:39,055
Yeah. Yeah.
That's the kind of thing
1019
00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:41,391
that-- I don't know
how it ended up here,
1020
00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:43,351
but it's certainly not
associated with the parachute
1021
00:42:43,436 --> 00:42:44,686
or anything like that.
-Colin: Yeah.
1022
00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:45,937
And it's not associated
with anything...
1023
00:42:46,022 --> 00:42:47,480
Nothing that I'm aware of,
yeah.
1024
00:42:47,566 --> 00:42:49,524
It doesn't--
it's certainly much bigger
1025
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:51,359
than the attache case
would have been.
1026
00:42:51,444 --> 00:42:53,236
It looks just-- up here,
it looks to me
1027
00:42:53,321 --> 00:42:56,072
just like a, you know,
old metal box, so...
1028
00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:58,074
Colin: Yeah.
It's an old metal box, yeah.
1029
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,701
Yeah. Okay.
1030
00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:02,245
All right.
Good to check out though.
1031
00:43:05,667 --> 00:43:08,293
Fishburne: Although they've yet
to find definitive evidence,
1032
00:43:08,378 --> 00:43:11,546
the search team has recovered
a few items of interest,
1033
00:43:11,631 --> 00:43:13,214
including this small Gauge wire
1034
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:14,757
which could have been part
1035
00:43:14,843 --> 00:43:17,051
of the nb6 parachute.
1036
00:43:17,137 --> 00:43:18,928
They also found nylon rope
1037
00:43:19,014 --> 00:43:20,471
hanging from a tree
1038
00:43:20,557 --> 00:43:23,308
and aluminum
that could be from beverages
1039
00:43:23,393 --> 00:43:25,727
served on flight 305.
1040
00:43:28,023 --> 00:43:30,898
Eric: A few, you know,
falls positive, so to speak,
1041
00:43:30,984 --> 00:43:33,109
it helps keep a little fresh
in your mind
1042
00:43:33,194 --> 00:43:35,236
that this is a very real case.
1043
00:43:35,322 --> 00:43:37,071
This guy
really did really exist.
1044
00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:39,616
He really did jump somewhere
in this area.
1045
00:43:39,701 --> 00:43:42,243
Those parachutes are somewhere
in this vicinity,
1046
00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:44,454
and it's just a matter
of finding them.
1047
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:52,712
Fishburne: Investigator
Eric ulis is on the last day
1048
00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:55,965
of his search for evidence
that could solve
1049
00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:58,468
the mystery of d.B. Cooper.
1050
00:43:58,553 --> 00:44:01,721
Eric believes the FBI
got it wrong
1051
00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:04,474
and Cooper actually landed
eight miles west
1052
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,602
of law enforcement's
original search zone.
1053
00:44:07,646 --> 00:44:10,146
If he can find
any sign of Cooper,
1054
00:44:10,231 --> 00:44:12,607
it would prove
he survived the jump,
1055
00:44:12,692 --> 00:44:15,109
and may be alive today.
1056
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,198
Woman: I wonder
what this area looked like
1057
00:44:20,283 --> 00:44:21,991
for 48 years ago.
1058
00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:24,327
Eric: I think
it looked just like this.
1059
00:44:24,412 --> 00:44:26,412
Fishburne: The ravine
the team's searching
1060
00:44:26,498 --> 00:44:30,166
has remained untouched
by loggers for 50 years.
1061
00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:31,793
Eric believes decades
of overgrowth
1062
00:44:31,878 --> 00:44:35,004
could have helped
preserve evidence.
1063
00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:37,465
There's an awful lot
of vegetation,
1064
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:38,841
and this is exactly
the kind of area
1065
00:44:38,927 --> 00:44:40,677
that we would expect
to find something
1066
00:44:40,762 --> 00:44:43,596
if he was in this area
and happened to stash up.
1067
00:44:43,682 --> 00:44:45,515
Woman: It wouldn't be fun
to land a parachute in.
1068
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,350
Eric: Yeah.
-Woman: You'd get caught up.
1069
00:44:47,435 --> 00:44:49,185
Eric: This is actually
a pretty long property.
1070
00:44:49,229 --> 00:44:50,978
Is it a long line?
-Man: Yeah, we're about
1071
00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:53,314
a fifth of the way right now.
-Eric: Wow.
1072
00:44:55,902 --> 00:44:57,026
Watch to your right, folks.
1073
00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:58,277
Don't outwalk your flanks.
1074
00:44:58,363 --> 00:44:59,654
Hey, Joe.
-Joe: Yeah.
1075
00:44:59,698 --> 00:45:01,364
Eric: See that big tree
on the other side
1076
00:45:01,408 --> 00:45:03,032
of that ravine right there?
1077
00:45:03,118 --> 00:45:05,243
That one right there? Yeah.
-Eric: So once we get to that,
1078
00:45:05,328 --> 00:45:06,869
we wanna spread out
to the right.
1079
00:45:06,955 --> 00:45:09,706
Joe: Okay. There you go, Eric.
-Eric: All right.
1080
00:45:09,791 --> 00:45:10,998
Barry: All right.
-Eric: So you tug like this?
1081
00:45:11,084 --> 00:45:12,166
Barry: There you go. Yeah.
1082
00:45:12,252 --> 00:45:13,501
And it'd catch you
if you fall, yeah.
1083
00:45:13,586 --> 00:45:15,211
Man: Excellent.
-Barry: There you go.
1084
00:45:15,255 --> 00:45:17,672
Eric: All right.
This one's still like that.
1085
00:45:17,757 --> 00:45:18,798
Man: All right.
-Man: All right.
1086
00:45:18,883 --> 00:45:20,174
Man: Good job.
1087
00:45:22,303 --> 00:45:25,722
Woman: $200,000 in 1971,
what would be the value
1088
00:45:25,765 --> 00:45:28,224
of that today?
-Man: It would be 1.2 million
1089
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:30,601
-today. So, he'd be--
-woman: Wow.
1090
00:45:30,687 --> 00:45:32,478
Man: --Be a millionaire
in today's dollar.
1091
00:45:32,564 --> 00:45:34,063
Woman: All of that
for one million?
1092
00:45:34,149 --> 00:45:36,441
Eric: The FBI's never been
able to prove one way
1093
00:45:36,526 --> 00:45:39,444
or the other whether any
of the ransom was spent.
1094
00:45:39,529 --> 00:45:42,739
If d.B. Cooper
did actually spend his money,
1095
00:45:42,782 --> 00:45:45,158
my research indicates that
there would be approximately
1096
00:45:45,243 --> 00:45:47,785
50 of those bills
still out there
1097
00:45:47,871 --> 00:45:50,413
in circulation today.
1098
00:45:50,498 --> 00:45:53,249
There is a very strong chance
1099
00:45:53,334 --> 00:45:56,753
that someone out there
right now has
1100
00:45:56,838 --> 00:46:00,089
one of those bills,
but they just don't know it.
1101
00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:01,424
As you can see here,
1102
00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:04,761
this is not a complete $20 bill.
1103
00:46:04,846 --> 00:46:07,722
In fact, I estimate that what
we're looking at is only about
1104
00:46:07,807 --> 00:46:11,601
25% of the original bill.
1105
00:46:13,146 --> 00:46:14,729
Fishburne: After a difficult
grid search,
1106
00:46:14,814 --> 00:46:17,940
the team finally reaches
the ravine.
1107
00:46:18,026 --> 00:46:19,650
Barry: Okay, guys.
You're gonna have to--
1108
00:46:19,736 --> 00:46:21,778
a little slower. It's a little
bit more brushier here
1109
00:46:21,863 --> 00:46:23,738
for both sides, so...
1110
00:46:23,782 --> 00:46:26,032
Fishburne: From here, Eric
believes
1111
00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:29,118
Cooper could hear trains
running on the bnsf
1112
00:46:29,162 --> 00:46:33,498
railway tracks,
tracks leading to tena bar.
1113
00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,043
Eric: Look at right here
right in front of you.
1114
00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:40,546
Woman: There's some white
something here.
1115
00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:41,589
I don't know.
1116
00:46:47,514 --> 00:46:49,597
Man: The material
is interesting.
1117
00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:51,808
Eric: We have
a parachute expert.
1118
00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:54,644
Um, I'm gonna,
well, ask him about it.
1119
00:46:54,687 --> 00:46:56,562
Man: Where'd you find it?
-Eric: Just right under
1120
00:46:56,648 --> 00:46:58,439
the log here.
1121
00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:06,197
Man: It looks like
a mixed material,
1122
00:47:06,282 --> 00:47:07,615
some of which could be
on a parachute's...
1123
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,158
Eric: I'll ask the expert
and--
1124
00:47:09,244 --> 00:47:10,660
man: Yeah.
-Eric: --He'll be able to tell
1125
00:47:10,745 --> 00:47:12,495
US definitively.
-Man: Something with tension.
1126
00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:14,664
This had to be on something
with some serious tension.
1127
00:47:14,707 --> 00:47:17,416
The team sets up
a GPS locator on the spot
1128
00:47:17,502 --> 00:47:19,836
where the cloth fragment
was found
1129
00:47:19,921 --> 00:47:23,673
to provide coordinates
they can plot on a map.
1130
00:47:23,758 --> 00:47:26,384
Eric: The situation we find
ourselves in right now
1131
00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:29,220
is rare, unique
in a very limited time.
1132
00:47:29,305 --> 00:47:32,473
So, we just cannot afford to
pass up on situations like this.
1133
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,016
We have to thoroughly vet this.
1134
00:47:34,102 --> 00:47:36,561
We have to figure out
what we're working with here
1135
00:47:36,646 --> 00:47:38,271
because this may be it.
1136
00:47:38,356 --> 00:47:41,023
This may be the one
final golden opportunity
1137
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:42,859
to figure out once and for all
1138
00:47:42,944 --> 00:47:44,652
what happened to d.B. Cooper.
1139
00:47:44,737 --> 00:47:46,487
We'll get it checked out.
We'll see what the--
1140
00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:49,031
Barry: Yup.
-Eric: --Expert says.
1141
00:47:49,117 --> 00:47:50,825
Man: Yeah. We'll see.
1142
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:53,202
Fishburne: Could this fabric
be part of d.B. Cooper's
1143
00:47:53,288 --> 00:47:54,662
missing parachutes?
1144
00:47:56,916 --> 00:47:59,542
Eric: It appears
to be nylon and canvas,
1145
00:47:59,627 --> 00:48:00,877
which looked very durable.
1146
00:48:00,962 --> 00:48:03,212
It resembled a piece
of a parachute.
1147
00:48:03,298 --> 00:48:06,382
It certainly looked like it
could be, but I'm not sure.
1148
00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:08,175
So, now that we've got
the piece in hand,
1149
00:48:08,261 --> 00:48:09,594
we've marked where we found it,
1150
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:11,470
we'll present it
to our parachute expert,
1151
00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:13,723
Mark Meltzer,
and he'll be able to tell US
1152
00:48:13,766 --> 00:48:16,058
definitively whether or not this
is a piece of a parachute
1153
00:48:16,102 --> 00:48:16,851
or not.
1154
00:48:19,188 --> 00:48:21,606
Fishburne: To learn more
about the fabric he found,
1155
00:48:21,691 --> 00:48:25,359
Eric heads to la to meet
with Mark Meltzer.
1156
00:48:25,445 --> 00:48:26,944
Eric: Not only
is he very knowledgeable
1157
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:29,572
about the Cooper case,
he's also got something like
1158
00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:31,949
1,500, 2,000 parachute jumps.
1159
00:48:32,035 --> 00:48:33,826
It gives US the opportunity
to give him
1160
00:48:33,912 --> 00:48:36,037
that piece of evidence
that we found
1161
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,289
during the search,
see if he thinks
1162
00:48:38,374 --> 00:48:40,499
that could possibly
come from a parachute,
1163
00:48:40,585 --> 00:48:42,752
either the main parachute
or the reserve parachute
1164
00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:44,295
or something else.
1165
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:48,925
And he actually personally
knows Sheridan Peterson.
1166
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:51,469
I wanted to start out
talking to you a little bit
1167
00:48:51,554 --> 00:48:54,180
about d.B. Cooper's skill level
1168
00:48:54,265 --> 00:48:56,015
with respect to parachutes
given everything
1169
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:58,559
you know about this case
specifically in skydiving
1170
00:48:58,645 --> 00:49:00,061
in particular.
-What indicates to me
1171
00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:02,980
that he probably
had some experience
1172
00:49:03,066 --> 00:49:04,231
with military parachute gear
1173
00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:07,360
is the type of main
parachute rigs
1174
00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:10,780
that were brought to him
were either Navy nb6
1175
00:49:10,865 --> 00:49:14,617
or nb8 containers
and harnesses and parachute
1176
00:49:14,702 --> 00:49:16,369
instructions were brought
to the plane,
1177
00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:17,954
printed instructions
on how to use the gear.
1178
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:19,789
He didn't need them.
And Tina mucklow,
1179
00:49:19,832 --> 00:49:22,833
the stewardess that spent
the most time with Cooper,
1180
00:49:22,919 --> 00:49:25,628
noted Cooper taking out
a packing card out
1181
00:49:25,713 --> 00:49:26,963
of one of the parachute rigs.
1182
00:49:27,048 --> 00:49:30,341
And to me,
that's a huge clue that Cooper
1183
00:49:30,426 --> 00:49:32,301
was most likely a skydiver.
1184
00:49:32,387 --> 00:49:34,637
I mean, skydivers know
what a packing card is.
1185
00:49:34,722 --> 00:49:37,306
Nobody else does.
Very well concealed.
1186
00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:40,434
So, if Cooper actually found
the packing card
1187
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,354
and knew how to put on
an nb8 or nb6,
1188
00:49:43,439 --> 00:49:46,774
that's very telling.
-Eric: We did find something
1189
00:49:46,818 --> 00:49:50,152
that may or may not be related
to a parachute.
1190
00:49:50,238 --> 00:49:52,822
Mark: I'd like to see it.
-Eric: I'll take it out.
1191
00:49:52,907 --> 00:49:54,281
Get this open here.
1192
00:50:05,586 --> 00:50:08,796
Mark: Well, it's interesting
and it has sort of a ripstop
1193
00:50:08,881 --> 00:50:11,340
weave in the--
in the fabric material here,
1194
00:50:11,384 --> 00:50:13,009
the porous fabric material.
1195
00:50:13,094 --> 00:50:14,969
It has nylon webbing.
1196
00:50:15,013 --> 00:50:17,054
And I see nothing
in the materials
1197
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:20,641
that's inconsistent
with the late '60s, early '70s.
1198
00:50:26,858 --> 00:50:29,775
Fishburne: Investigator
Eric ulis is in Los Angeles
1199
00:50:29,861 --> 00:50:32,695
meeting with parachute expert,
Mark Meltzer.
1200
00:50:32,739 --> 00:50:34,530
He hopes Mark can shed light
1201
00:50:34,615 --> 00:50:37,533
on a piece
of possible evidence.
1202
00:50:37,618 --> 00:50:39,535
Eric: Looking for the missing
parachute,
1203
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:44,040
we did find something
that may or may not be related
1204
00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:45,499
to a parachute.
1205
00:50:56,471 --> 00:50:58,429
Mark: Well, it's interesting
and that it has sort
1206
00:50:58,514 --> 00:51:00,890
of a ripstop,
weave in the--
1207
00:51:00,975 --> 00:51:03,893
in the fabric material here,
the porous fabric material.
1208
00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:05,728
It has nylon webbing.
1209
00:51:05,772 --> 00:51:07,938
Fishburne: A ripstop weave
is commonly found
1210
00:51:08,024 --> 00:51:10,941
in fabrics made
to resist tearing.
1211
00:51:11,027 --> 00:51:14,070
Yarns are interwoven
at regular intervals
1212
00:51:14,155 --> 00:51:16,405
in a crosshatch pattern.
1213
00:51:16,449 --> 00:51:19,408
Mark: I see nothing in the
materials that's inconsistent
1214
00:51:19,494 --> 00:51:21,744
with the late '60s, early'70s.
1215
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:24,205
But it's not the right color
for a military parachute gear.
1216
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:27,583
This is a turquoise blue
and it apparently has leather
1217
00:51:27,627 --> 00:51:30,836
over-sewn on the perimeter
of the, thing.
1218
00:51:30,922 --> 00:51:34,048
And there is no leather on the--
on the type of gear that Cooper
1219
00:51:34,092 --> 00:51:35,925
jumped with.
It does have components
1220
00:51:36,010 --> 00:51:37,134
in common with a parachute gear.
1221
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:38,469
There's nylon webbing.
1222
00:51:38,554 --> 00:51:40,930
It has some sort of ripstop
weave fabric.
1223
00:51:41,015 --> 00:51:42,640
But I can say with a hundred
percent certainty
1224
00:51:42,725 --> 00:51:45,226
that this was not from
d.B. Cooper's parachute gear.
1225
00:51:45,269 --> 00:51:46,602
So you've
pretty much established
1226
00:51:46,687 --> 00:51:49,230
that it's absolutely not related
1227
00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:51,774
to the parachute
that he jumped with.
1228
00:51:51,859 --> 00:51:53,609
What's the possibility
that there's some sort of
1229
00:51:53,694 --> 00:51:56,278
relation to the dummy
reserve parachute?
1230
00:51:56,322 --> 00:51:57,947
Yeah. That's an interesting
question, Eric.
1231
00:51:58,032 --> 00:52:01,075
I've seen some crude things done
to those trainee reserves
1232
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,911
that the only thing you want
to do is have it be able
1233
00:52:03,955 --> 00:52:06,122
to be deployed and packed up
really quickly.
1234
00:52:06,207 --> 00:52:07,623
So, they cut panels out.
1235
00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:09,834
They sometimes cut some
of the suspension lines off.
1236
00:52:09,919 --> 00:52:11,794
It doesn't have to be done
to faa specs.
1237
00:52:11,879 --> 00:52:14,839
And so, I can't definitively
say this wasn't part
1238
00:52:14,924 --> 00:52:16,132
of a trainee reserve.
1239
00:52:16,217 --> 00:52:17,341
I think it's unlikely.
1240
00:52:17,426 --> 00:52:19,426
But I certainly
can't rule it out.
1241
00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:20,803
Eric:
This is very exciting for me
1242
00:52:20,888 --> 00:52:22,471
because there's a possibility
1243
00:52:22,557 --> 00:52:25,141
that this piece could be part
1244
00:52:25,184 --> 00:52:28,185
of the modification
that was made
1245
00:52:28,271 --> 00:52:29,979
to the dummy reserve parachute.
1246
00:52:30,064 --> 00:52:32,648
You personally know
Sheridan Peterson.
1247
00:52:32,692 --> 00:52:35,442
What are your overall
impressions of Peterson
1248
00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:40,322
as they pertain
to the possibility of this guy
1249
00:52:40,366 --> 00:52:42,992
being the real d.B. Cooper?
1250
00:52:43,035 --> 00:52:47,872
Sheridan Peterson is absolutely
a qualified candidate.
1251
00:52:47,957 --> 00:52:51,000
There is no aspect to that jump
that he wasn't a master of.
1252
00:52:51,043 --> 00:52:54,336
He knew how to jump
into the wilderness and egress.
1253
00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:56,005
Do I think he's d.B. Cooper?
1254
00:52:56,048 --> 00:52:57,298
I just don't know.
1255
00:53:02,305 --> 00:53:03,637
Fishburne: To further
his investigation,
1256
00:53:03,723 --> 00:53:07,308
Eric ulis next visits
Claire Peterson,
1257
00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:09,685
Sheridan Peterson's first wife.
1258
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:11,812
He hopes she may have
some insight into whether
1259
00:53:11,856 --> 00:53:14,523
Sheridan could've pulled off
the skyjacking.
1260
00:53:14,609 --> 00:53:18,027
She also has details
about Sheridan's second wife,
1261
00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:21,488
the key person who could
corroborate his alibi.
1262
00:53:21,532 --> 00:53:23,741
Eric: Sheridan
has three children,
1263
00:53:23,826 --> 00:53:25,701
all grown, with Claire.
1264
00:53:25,786 --> 00:53:27,536
They were married in the '50s
1265
00:53:27,622 --> 00:53:30,539
and divorced in 1962
1266
00:53:30,625 --> 00:53:34,627
which is right before
Sheridan moved up to Seattle
1267
00:53:34,712 --> 00:53:36,212
and got the job at boeing.
1268
00:53:36,255 --> 00:53:39,089
Actually Sheridan started
working at boeing
1269
00:53:39,175 --> 00:53:40,799
in may of 1962.
1270
00:53:40,885 --> 00:53:44,595
So, they went their separate
ways right before that.
1271
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,556
So, this is gonna be fascinating
to speak with Claire
1272
00:53:47,642 --> 00:53:49,850
about her time with Sheridan.
1273
00:53:49,936 --> 00:53:52,728
Claire Peterson was interviewed
1274
00:53:52,772 --> 00:53:55,898
by the FBI in 1974
1275
00:53:55,942 --> 00:53:58,567
about Sheridan
and about this case.
1276
00:53:58,653 --> 00:54:01,946
And at that time,
Sheridan was living in Asia.
1277
00:54:02,031 --> 00:54:07,076
So, she knew as of 1974
that Sheridan was a suspect
1278
00:54:07,161 --> 00:54:09,578
in the d.B. Cooper skyjacking.
1279
00:54:09,664 --> 00:54:12,831
Sheridan was 45
at the time of the skyjacking.
1280
00:54:12,917 --> 00:54:15,042
And Eric believes
his appearance is similar
1281
00:54:15,086 --> 00:54:18,295
to the original sketch
of d.B. Cooper.
1282
00:54:18,381 --> 00:54:20,756
Sheridan lived in Seattle
prior to the skyjacking
1283
00:54:20,841 --> 00:54:23,467
and was photographed
in a suit and tie
1284
00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:26,428
while posing as a skydiver.
1285
00:54:26,514 --> 00:54:27,721
As a boeing employee,
1286
00:54:27,765 --> 00:54:29,556
it's also likely
that Sheridan knew
1287
00:54:29,642 --> 00:54:32,268
the inner workings
of the boeing 727.
1288
00:54:32,311 --> 00:54:35,562
And finally, Eric does not
believe that Sheridan's alibi
1289
00:54:35,648 --> 00:54:38,732
can be corroborated for
the time of the skyjacking.
1290
00:54:53,499 --> 00:54:55,124
Eric: Hi, Claire.
-Claire: Hi.
1291
00:54:55,209 --> 00:54:56,792
Eric: Hi. Eric ulis.
-Claire: You must be Eric.
1292
00:54:56,836 --> 00:54:59,086
Eric: I am Eric. How are you?
-Claire: Fine. Thank you.
1293
00:54:59,171 --> 00:55:01,463
Eric: Good to meet you.
1294
00:55:01,549 --> 00:55:04,633
Fishburne: Claire agreed to help
Eric obtain a DNA profile
1295
00:55:04,677 --> 00:55:06,510
from one of their children.
1296
00:55:06,595 --> 00:55:09,763
It will be compared to the DNA
from d.B. Cooper's tie
1297
00:55:09,849 --> 00:55:12,016
left aboard flight 305.
1298
00:55:12,101 --> 00:55:14,810
If it's a match, Eric
could finally have the answer
1299
00:55:14,895 --> 00:55:17,646
to the mystery
of d.B. Cooper's identity.
1300
00:55:19,233 --> 00:55:21,150
Eric: First of all, Claire,
thank you very much
1301
00:55:21,235 --> 00:55:24,111
for taking the time
to sit down with me
1302
00:55:24,196 --> 00:55:26,989
and talk a little bit
about your life
1303
00:55:27,033 --> 00:55:28,824
and your life with Sheridan.
1304
00:55:28,909 --> 00:55:33,162
Could you describe just
the nature of your relationship
1305
00:55:33,247 --> 00:55:37,333
during that seven years
with Sheridan?
1306
00:55:37,376 --> 00:55:40,336
The relationship was bumpy.
1307
00:55:40,421 --> 00:55:43,172
He did have tirades of anger.
1308
00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:45,341
I don't think
he could control it.
1309
00:55:45,426 --> 00:55:48,052
So, I knew there was a time
that I was gonna have to say
1310
00:55:48,137 --> 00:55:49,678
goodbye to him.
1311
00:55:49,722 --> 00:55:53,015
And that's the way it went,
1312
00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:56,769
something had to be done
'cause I didn't wanna get hurt.
1313
00:55:56,854 --> 00:56:00,022
Eric: In terms of being
clever and deceptive
1314
00:56:00,107 --> 00:56:03,817
when there's something that
he wanted or what have you,
1315
00:56:03,861 --> 00:56:06,862
did you detect
any of that in him,
1316
00:56:06,906 --> 00:56:08,864
the ability to be deceptive?
1317
00:56:08,949 --> 00:56:12,159
I think he was deceptive, yes,
1318
00:56:12,244 --> 00:56:15,371
in a way that would work
for him.
1319
00:56:15,456 --> 00:56:17,873
Fishburne: As Eric speaks
with Claire Peterson,
1320
00:56:17,917 --> 00:56:21,043
former FBI agent
Mary Jean fryar is in route
1321
00:56:21,087 --> 00:56:23,420
to visit Sheridan Peterson.
1322
00:56:23,506 --> 00:56:27,216
In 2003, she interviewed him
as a person of interest
1323
00:56:27,259 --> 00:56:29,885
and collected a DNA sample.
1324
00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:32,846
This is the first time
they've met since then.
1325
00:56:37,353 --> 00:56:39,228
Mary Jean: I was glad
you reached out to me
1326
00:56:39,313 --> 00:56:40,771
and, on Twitter.
1327
00:56:40,856 --> 00:56:43,607
When you sent me
that message that you wish
1328
00:56:43,692 --> 00:56:46,402
I was still in the FBI
because you had things
1329
00:56:46,487 --> 00:56:48,654
that were happening
to your computer.
1330
00:56:48,739 --> 00:56:49,988
Yeah.
-Mary Jean: Do you remember
1331
00:56:50,074 --> 00:56:52,491
that in September?
1332
00:56:52,576 --> 00:56:54,201
With your book, with your book.
-Sheridan: Yeah.
1333
00:56:54,245 --> 00:56:57,913
Mary Jean: Yeah.
You signed it d.B.
1334
00:56:57,957 --> 00:56:59,832
Well, because I thought
1335
00:56:59,917 --> 00:57:01,208
I'd amuse you.
1336
00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:02,584
Yeah. You did amuse me.
1337
00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:05,337
Twice you sent-- you signed d.B.
1338
00:57:05,423 --> 00:57:08,132
Yeah.
1339
00:57:08,217 --> 00:57:12,052
I was so surprised to find you.
1340
00:57:12,096 --> 00:57:13,804
Mary Jean: It's been
a long time since we've
1341
00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:15,806
seen each other.
-Sheridan: Yes, it has,
1342
00:57:15,891 --> 00:57:17,641
that was 20 years ago?
1343
00:57:17,726 --> 00:57:22,604
Mary Jean: Long time ago.
-Heisting of aircraft
1344
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:24,231
and that wasn't me.
1345
00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:27,276
There were easier ways
1346
00:57:27,319 --> 00:57:29,653
to get 200,000 I would say,
1347
00:57:29,738 --> 00:57:31,905
I'm surprised that you guys
are still interested.
1348
00:57:31,991 --> 00:57:33,365
Mary Jean:
They never caught the guy.
1349
00:57:33,451 --> 00:57:34,783
Sheridan:
They didn't?
1350
00:57:34,869 --> 00:57:36,952
Mary Jean: The FBI gave up
on it and closed it.
1351
00:57:37,037 --> 00:57:38,745
Did they?
-Mary Jean: The fact that
1352
00:57:38,831 --> 00:57:41,415
people think that you could be
d.B. Cooper makes sense.
1353
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,585
D.b. Cooper
was a-- was a gangster.
1354
00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:46,795
He was a thief.
1355
00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:49,298
He stole $200,000 and he...
-Mary Jean: Yeah. He did.
1356
00:57:49,341 --> 00:57:52,426
And he also-- he wanted
to blow up a plane.
1357
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:54,553
He would've killed
a lot of people.
1358
00:57:54,638 --> 00:57:56,472
Mary Jean: Do you think
the bombs were real?
1359
00:57:56,515 --> 00:57:59,433
They weren't real. No.
1360
00:57:59,518 --> 00:58:00,309
Mary Jean:
How do you know that?
1361
00:58:03,272 --> 00:58:05,063
Investigator Mary Jean fryar
1362
00:58:05,149 --> 00:58:07,733
is meeting
with Sheridan Peterson.
1363
00:58:07,818 --> 00:58:11,236
A man she interviewed in 2003
as a person of interest
1364
00:58:11,322 --> 00:58:12,738
in the d.B. Cooper case.
1365
00:58:12,823 --> 00:58:14,490
Mary Jean: Do you think
the bombs were real?
1366
00:58:14,575 --> 00:58:16,825
They weren't real. No.
1367
00:58:16,911 --> 00:58:20,621
The FBI
found proofs that they--
1368
00:58:20,706 --> 00:58:22,623
the bombs weren't real.
-Mary Jean: They did?
1369
00:58:22,708 --> 00:58:24,791
I don't think-- I don't--
didn't hear that.
1370
00:58:24,877 --> 00:58:26,960
Sheridan: Yeah.
They've-- they--
1371
00:58:27,046 --> 00:58:31,048
once he had jumped,
he left the stuff behind.
1372
00:58:31,133 --> 00:58:34,134
Mary Jean: He only left
the tie behind.
1373
00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:36,261
Fishburne: The only items
recovered from the hijacked
1374
00:58:36,347 --> 00:58:40,057
plane were a long skinny
black clip-on tie.
1375
00:58:40,142 --> 00:58:43,644
A gold tie clip
and eight cigarette butts.
1376
00:58:43,729 --> 00:58:46,688
It's believed Cooper jumped
with everything else
1377
00:58:46,732 --> 00:58:48,649
including the handwritten note
exchanged
1378
00:58:48,734 --> 00:58:51,693
between he
and the flight attendants.
1379
00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:53,153
Why would he do it?
1380
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:57,157
I feel that-- my personal
opinion that he,
1381
00:58:57,243 --> 00:58:59,826
ended up in the Columbia river.
1382
00:58:59,870 --> 00:59:02,329
That money all rotted
and everything
1383
00:59:02,373 --> 00:59:03,956
was in the sand along
1384
00:59:04,041 --> 00:59:07,376
the bank up north of the dalles.
1385
00:59:07,419 --> 00:59:10,504
Mary Jean: Actually, I think
the money was buried not lost.
1386
00:59:10,589 --> 00:59:12,714
Buried?
1387
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,509
Mary Jean: Because it was like
in a stack in the sand,
1388
00:59:15,594 --> 00:59:18,720
not like just drifted there.
1389
00:59:18,764 --> 00:59:21,557
If he jumped and then just,
1390
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,934
and entirely he was wearing,
1391
00:59:24,019 --> 00:59:25,686
he was crazy.
1392
00:59:25,771 --> 00:59:27,271
And I'm not crazy.
1393
00:59:27,356 --> 00:59:29,648
That took a lot of guts
to do what he did.
1394
00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:31,817
Yeah. I think so.
1395
00:59:31,902 --> 00:59:34,194
Yeah.
1396
00:59:35,906 --> 00:59:37,823
Mary Jean: You know, your life
story is fascinating.
1397
00:59:37,908 --> 00:59:41,368
Can we start after
your first wife Claire?
1398
00:59:41,412 --> 00:59:44,955
Yeah.
So, right after my first wife,
1399
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,833
I took a sabbatical
in the Philippines.
1400
00:59:47,918 --> 00:59:50,377
I was just an English teacher
1401
00:59:50,462 --> 00:59:55,090
and I met zeny she lived
in a very poor area.
1402
00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:59,845
She wasn't, um,
well-educated.
1403
00:59:59,930 --> 01:00:03,056
But I married zeny
and we had two children.
1404
01:00:03,142 --> 01:00:07,269
And then I went to Vietnam,
with the express purpose
1405
01:00:07,313 --> 01:00:10,731
of writing a documentary
on the Vietnam war.
1406
01:00:10,774 --> 01:00:12,941
You know, I needed a passport.
1407
01:00:12,985 --> 01:00:15,068
I have those passports.
1408
01:00:15,112 --> 01:00:17,070
Mary Jean: You do?
-Ashley: Can we see them?
1409
01:00:17,156 --> 01:00:19,823
Sheridan: Yeah.
1410
01:00:19,908 --> 01:00:21,950
Mary Jean: This is the--
all your travel everywhere?
1411
01:00:21,994 --> 01:00:23,410
Ashley: Wow.
-Sheridan: Well, I'm not--
1412
01:00:23,495 --> 01:00:25,412
I'm not sure
it's all of them, but...
1413
01:00:25,497 --> 01:00:27,789
Mary Jean: You keep everything.
I love that.
1414
01:00:27,833 --> 01:00:30,834
So, here's Kathmandu
in August of '71.
1415
01:00:30,919 --> 01:00:32,836
Ashley: Yup.
-Mary Jean: Now after
1416
01:00:32,921 --> 01:00:36,590
August of '71,
then where did you go?
1417
01:00:36,675 --> 01:00:39,801
Sheridan: I went back
to Vietnam.
1418
01:00:39,887 --> 01:00:42,471
Yeah. I remember that,
we went--
1419
01:00:42,556 --> 01:00:46,224
I went back and I left
the family in,
1420
01:00:46,310 --> 01:00:49,061
Malaysia in penang.
1421
01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:51,813
Mary Jean:
Your wife died in 1977?
1422
01:00:54,526 --> 01:00:56,109
Sheridan: Well, yeah.
1423
01:00:56,195 --> 01:00:59,446
I don't want them to know
where I am.
1424
01:00:59,531 --> 01:01:01,657
I don't want them to know
anything.
1425
01:01:03,661 --> 01:01:04,660
Fishburne: Back in Idaho,
1426
01:01:04,703 --> 01:01:06,328
Eric ulis continues his meeting
1427
01:01:06,372 --> 01:01:08,705
with Sheridan's first wife,
Claire.
1428
01:01:08,791 --> 01:01:11,500
He was not money crazy.
1429
01:01:11,543 --> 01:01:14,086
But he did not wanna work
but, you know,
1430
01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:15,587
he wanted to have a living
1431
01:01:15,673 --> 01:01:18,799
and I knew he wanted to go
to Asia.
1432
01:01:18,884 --> 01:01:22,636
And it looked like he was doing
what he wanted to do.
1433
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,098
So, you were made aware
at some point that he, like,
1434
01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:27,724
headed to Asia?
1435
01:01:27,810 --> 01:01:29,476
I did know that he left
1436
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,103
and he went overseas.
1437
01:01:31,188 --> 01:01:33,647
And was there any contact
with him
1438
01:01:33,732 --> 01:01:35,691
while he was over there?
-Um,
1439
01:01:36,735 --> 01:01:39,027
probably a couple of letters.
1440
01:01:39,071 --> 01:01:42,447
And then-- but for years
and years, no contact.
1441
01:01:42,533 --> 01:01:44,282
One thing that was intriguing
1442
01:01:44,368 --> 01:01:46,243
that we talked about...
1443
01:01:46,328 --> 01:01:50,497
Related to,
his second wife.
1444
01:01:50,582 --> 01:01:52,708
And you're talking about a wife
1445
01:01:52,751 --> 01:01:55,627
that he led me to believe
was alive.
1446
01:01:55,713 --> 01:01:58,380
What did he say to you in 2007
1447
01:01:58,424 --> 01:02:01,049
that made you think
she was still alive?
1448
01:02:01,135 --> 01:02:05,011
I met his, daughter,
their daughter,
1449
01:02:05,097 --> 01:02:07,556
and she wanted to see her mother
and she wanted to see her,
1450
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,600
that her mother got over here
to the United States
1451
01:02:10,686 --> 01:02:13,019
from the Philippines.
-What year was this?
1452
01:02:13,105 --> 01:02:15,689
Claire: This was, 2007.
-So, you talked--
1453
01:02:15,774 --> 01:02:16,982
you had a conversation
with Sheridan about this--
1454
01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:18,191
I did.
---Right here at your house,
1455
01:02:18,277 --> 01:02:19,776
where we are right now?
-I did. Yes.
1456
01:02:19,862 --> 01:02:21,695
What did Sheridan say about...
-Well, I asked him.
1457
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:23,071
Why don't you send for her?
1458
01:02:23,115 --> 01:02:25,449
Why don't you see
that she can get here?
1459
01:02:25,534 --> 01:02:27,701
And he laughed
and what he said was,
1460
01:02:27,786 --> 01:02:31,705
"she wants to bring her
entire family over with her."
1461
01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:33,457
Clearly, you're under
the distinct impression
1462
01:02:33,542 --> 01:02:36,376
that his second wife,
at least as of 2007
1463
01:02:36,462 --> 01:02:38,587
is alive and well and is living
in the Philippines,
1464
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:40,338
is that correct?
-Exactly.
1465
01:02:40,424 --> 01:02:42,966
According to Sheridan,
his second wife
1466
01:02:43,051 --> 01:02:44,760
had passed away
1467
01:02:44,845 --> 01:02:48,138
in 1977.
1468
01:02:48,223 --> 01:02:51,224
Well, he's lying
about something.
1469
01:02:51,310 --> 01:02:53,059
If he is...
1470
01:02:53,145 --> 01:02:55,228
Possibly Dan Cooper,
1471
01:02:55,314 --> 01:02:57,272
she would know.
1472
01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:01,067
Well, that's where I started
to really think
1473
01:03:01,111 --> 01:03:03,695
perhaps that was he...
1474
01:03:05,324 --> 01:03:06,656
Who did it.
1475
01:03:06,742 --> 01:03:09,618
He had the knowledge
and probably--
1476
01:03:11,163 --> 01:03:15,081
he probably had the courage
to do something like that.
1477
01:03:17,002 --> 01:03:19,377
Mary Jean:
Look, I read Eric's work
1478
01:03:19,463 --> 01:03:20,629
and I have to ask you.
1479
01:03:20,672 --> 01:03:22,589
I want to know how you knew
1480
01:03:22,674 --> 01:03:24,591
the reserve parachute
was Daisy-chained.
1481
01:03:24,676 --> 01:03:27,219
I Daisy-chained it.
1482
01:03:27,304 --> 01:03:28,553
Ashley: You Daisy-chained it?
1483
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:29,971
Yeah, I Daisy-chained it.
1484
01:03:30,015 --> 01:03:33,308
We use it there,
at issaquah, for years.
1485
01:03:34,603 --> 01:03:36,144
Fishburne: Sheridan Peterson
worked at the
1486
01:03:36,188 --> 01:03:39,940
issaquah skydive center
in the early 1960s.
1487
01:03:39,983 --> 01:03:42,400
The same place that would
later provide parachutes
1488
01:03:42,486 --> 01:03:45,445
used by Cooper in his escape.
1489
01:03:45,489 --> 01:03:47,280
I Daisy-chained it so...
1490
01:03:47,324 --> 01:03:50,116
They throw it down and out, see,
1491
01:03:50,202 --> 01:03:53,495
the reserve,
I put the red x on it.
1492
01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:55,580
Ashley: You hadn't been
to issaquah in five years.
1493
01:03:55,666 --> 01:03:56,748
How did you know that...
1494
01:03:56,834 --> 01:03:58,291
That's the same reserve
you made?
1495
01:03:58,335 --> 01:04:00,252
Well, I was sure it was.
1496
01:04:00,337 --> 01:04:02,128
Why would they change it?
1497
01:04:02,214 --> 01:04:04,130
Who gave it to him?
1498
01:04:04,216 --> 01:04:05,423
Ashley: Linn emrich.
1499
01:04:05,509 --> 01:04:08,009
Sheridan: Well,
that's why linn emrich
1500
01:04:08,053 --> 01:04:09,678
figured it was me.
1501
01:04:09,721 --> 01:04:12,597
Linn emrich
worked at issaquah skyport
1502
01:04:12,683 --> 01:04:14,641
at the same time
of the hijacking.
1503
01:04:14,726 --> 01:04:17,102
But, the others don't--
1504
01:04:17,187 --> 01:04:20,647
no longer think that i'm,
1505
01:04:20,732 --> 01:04:22,190
d.b. Cooper.
1506
01:04:22,276 --> 01:04:24,985
And you still had DNA
out there.
1507
01:04:25,070 --> 01:04:26,486
Yeah. You still have my DNA.
1508
01:04:26,572 --> 01:04:27,988
There-- it's still there. Yeah.
1509
01:04:28,073 --> 01:04:30,824
And I've never heard what--
that it was cleared.
1510
01:04:30,868 --> 01:04:32,492
Well, I thought you said that...
1511
01:04:32,578 --> 01:04:34,661
Mary Jean: No,
because I never found out.
1512
01:04:34,746 --> 01:04:37,330
But you-- you can find out
yourself.
1513
01:04:37,374 --> 01:04:38,999
I can send you the form.
1514
01:04:39,084 --> 01:04:41,668
You just make the request
and they'll tell you.
1515
01:04:41,753 --> 01:04:43,795
Well...
-There was a little part of me
1516
01:04:43,881 --> 01:04:45,505
that was hoping
you were gonna confess
1517
01:04:45,591 --> 01:04:47,215
to being d.B. Cooper today.
1518
01:04:47,259 --> 01:04:49,342
A little part of you?
-Mary Jean: Yeah.
1519
01:04:49,428 --> 01:04:53,346
She really is this FBI.
1520
01:04:53,432 --> 01:04:55,682
Yeah.
-Mary Jean: I just hope that...
1521
01:04:55,726 --> 01:04:57,642
Whoever it is
1522
01:04:57,728 --> 01:04:59,686
takes some credit for it
1523
01:04:59,771 --> 01:05:02,355
before they die,
if they're still alive
1524
01:05:02,441 --> 01:05:05,775
because it's quite
the accomplishment
1525
01:05:05,861 --> 01:05:07,736
and so many people
have claimed it
1526
01:05:07,779 --> 01:05:10,530
or tried to steal it
from this person saying,
1527
01:05:10,616 --> 01:05:12,532
"I was d.B. Cooper."
Or in their deathbed,
1528
01:05:12,618 --> 01:05:14,409
or family members
who will come out.
1529
01:05:14,453 --> 01:05:16,912
But it'll be nice if the person
1530
01:05:16,997 --> 01:05:19,915
doesn't let it go himself.
1531
01:05:22,628 --> 01:05:25,378
All right. Listen,
I have to say goodbye.
1532
01:05:25,464 --> 01:05:27,547
Sheridan: Yeah. Yeah.
-Mary Jean: Hey.
1533
01:05:27,633 --> 01:05:28,632
All right.
You take care of yourself.
1534
01:05:28,717 --> 01:05:29,883
Sheridan: Yeah.
1535
01:05:29,968 --> 01:05:31,384
Mary Jean:
I will send you that form.
1536
01:05:31,470 --> 01:05:33,053
Sheridan: All right.
-All right? Is it...
1537
01:05:33,138 --> 01:05:34,554
Sheridan: I will.
-Then we can put this to rest.
1538
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:35,597
I'll go back...
-Mary Jean: Unless you wanna
1539
01:05:35,641 --> 01:05:36,932
confess to me.
1540
01:05:37,017 --> 01:05:38,391
Mary Jean: Unless you wanna
confess to me.
1541
01:05:38,477 --> 01:05:39,601
I got to get on my knees.
1542
01:05:39,645 --> 01:05:40,685
Mary Jean: Yeah.
1543
01:05:40,771 --> 01:05:42,270
Quality, sister.
-You take--
1544
01:05:42,356 --> 01:05:43,939
you take care of yourself.
1545
01:05:44,024 --> 01:05:45,607
Sheridan: I'm gonna remember
this forever.
1546
01:05:45,651 --> 01:05:46,858
Mary Jean: Well, good.
I will, too.
1547
01:05:54,493 --> 01:05:56,117
Fishburne: Twelve years
after he began
1548
01:05:56,161 --> 01:05:58,912
his obsessive search
into d.B. Cooper,
1549
01:05:58,997 --> 01:06:00,705
Eric ulis is in Arizona
1550
01:06:00,791 --> 01:06:02,832
meeting with one of the only
researchers ever
1551
01:06:02,918 --> 01:06:05,293
to be given access
to Cooper evidence
1552
01:06:05,337 --> 01:06:07,963
by the FBI.
1553
01:06:08,006 --> 01:06:09,798
Eric hopes
that he will finally learn
1554
01:06:09,841 --> 01:06:12,634
that the man he believes
could be d.B. Cooper...
1555
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:14,469
Really is.
1556
01:06:15,806 --> 01:06:17,430
Eric: Tom kaye is a rockstar
1557
01:06:17,474 --> 01:06:18,640
in the d.B. Cooper world
1558
01:06:18,725 --> 01:06:20,475
and the reason the guy
is a rockstar
1559
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:24,312
is because he actually got
special access
1560
01:06:24,398 --> 01:06:27,941
to the evidence in 2008
as well as 2011.
1561
01:06:28,026 --> 01:06:30,819
Knowing this,
it only makes sense to see
1562
01:06:30,862 --> 01:06:33,989
if Tom kaye happened to extract
1563
01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:38,159
some of d.B. Cooper's DNA
while testing the tie.
1564
01:06:42,332 --> 01:06:43,832
Tom: Eric, glad you made it.
-Eric: Hey, Tom.
1565
01:06:43,875 --> 01:06:45,041
How you doing, man?
-Good to see you.
1566
01:06:45,127 --> 01:06:46,501
Good to see you. Come on in.
1567
01:06:46,586 --> 01:06:50,005
Back in 2008, I was approached
by a Cooper group
1568
01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:52,674
that was looking for somebody
to analyze the money
1569
01:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,217
that was found on tena bar
1570
01:06:54,302 --> 01:06:56,594
and have been buried there
for a long time.
1571
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,181
Then we went back to the FBI
in 2011 and by that time,
1572
01:07:00,225 --> 01:07:02,892
we were working
with special agent Curtis ang
1573
01:07:02,978 --> 01:07:05,186
and he allowed US then
to have access to the tie
1574
01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:08,565
specifically so we could do
a series of tests
1575
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:11,067
and we also vacuumed the tie
for particles.
1576
01:07:11,153 --> 01:07:12,819
What we found
that was really amazing
1577
01:07:12,904 --> 01:07:16,281
is we found metallic titanium
on the tie.
1578
01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:19,367
Titanium is used
to manufacture aircrafts
1579
01:07:19,453 --> 01:07:22,412
and is found
at plane manufacturing plants
1580
01:07:22,497 --> 01:07:24,039
like the boeing facility
1581
01:07:24,124 --> 01:07:28,585
where Sheridan worked
from 1962 to 1964.
1582
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:30,628
There were very few applications
1583
01:07:30,714 --> 01:07:34,299
for commercially pure titanium
back in 1971.
1584
01:07:34,384 --> 01:07:36,885
And I know that some of my
research has actually shown
1585
01:07:36,970 --> 01:07:40,722
that indeed the 727 itself
specifically the engine
1586
01:07:40,766 --> 01:07:42,307
has commercially pure titanium.
1587
01:07:42,392 --> 01:07:44,893
At that time,
titanium wasn't very common.
1588
01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:47,145
It was used primarily
in aerospace
1589
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:48,563
and also
in the chemical industry.
1590
01:07:48,648 --> 01:07:51,649
So it goes a long ways
towards narrowing down
1591
01:07:51,735 --> 01:07:53,735
criteria for d.B. Cooper.
1592
01:07:53,779 --> 01:07:55,361
Tom: Now, we knew
how vitally important
1593
01:07:55,405 --> 01:07:56,780
the particles were on the tie
1594
01:07:56,865 --> 01:07:58,698
and we knew
what we were looking for
1595
01:07:58,742 --> 01:08:00,784
is we hooked up a vacuum
1596
01:08:00,869 --> 01:08:02,285
to a filter like this.
1597
01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:05,413
This is a sterile filter
inside of a sterile jar.
1598
01:08:05,457 --> 01:08:08,416
We had a small nozzle coming out
at the end here
1599
01:08:08,502 --> 01:08:11,002
and then we hook a vacuum
to the back end of this
1600
01:08:11,088 --> 01:08:14,798
and we vacuum the tie
including the knot of the tie.
1601
01:08:14,883 --> 01:08:18,343
The tie knot seems like
the most logical place to look.
1602
01:08:18,428 --> 01:08:20,345
The place that would've been
touched the most
1603
01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:21,679
by d.B. Cooper.
1604
01:08:21,765 --> 01:08:24,390
This filter that remains
unopened to this day
1605
01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:27,268
has particles
from d.B. Cooper's tie in it
1606
01:08:27,312 --> 01:08:30,939
but most importantly
it also has Cooper's DNA in it.
1607
01:08:30,982 --> 01:08:33,483
The thing is there's only
one shot with the DNA here.
1608
01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:35,110
I will never see that again.
1609
01:08:35,153 --> 01:08:37,654
It is destroyed in the process
of getting the DNA.
1610
01:08:37,739 --> 01:08:39,447
I think that the lab
that's been...
1611
01:08:39,533 --> 01:08:41,699
Appropriated for this job
is a good one
1612
01:08:41,785 --> 01:08:43,118
and they'll do a good job.
1613
01:08:43,161 --> 01:08:44,828
The extent of the job
that they can do
1614
01:08:44,913 --> 01:08:47,288
nobody knows yet,
not even the lab.
1615
01:08:47,374 --> 01:08:50,375
Tom, I wanna thank you
for entrusting US
1616
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:54,796
with this very valuable
d.B. Cooper evidence.
1617
01:08:54,881 --> 01:08:57,215
We're gonna take it,
send it right off to the lab,
1618
01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:59,217
see what they can find out
and I'll get back to you
1619
01:08:59,302 --> 01:09:00,635
with the results
as soon as I have something.
1620
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,220
Tom: Absolutely.
-All right. All right, Tom.
1621
01:09:02,305 --> 01:09:03,346
Tom: Let's go get him.
-Thanks. All right.
1622
01:09:04,933 --> 01:09:06,349
Fishburne: While Eric waits
to send
1623
01:09:06,434 --> 01:09:09,018
the envac tie sample
to a Florida lab
1624
01:09:09,104 --> 01:09:11,813
specializing
in older forensics cases.
1625
01:09:11,898 --> 01:09:13,857
Former FBI agent
Mary Jean fryar
1626
01:09:13,942 --> 01:09:15,984
receives an unexpected call
1627
01:09:16,069 --> 01:09:17,986
from Sheridan.
1628
01:09:18,029 --> 01:09:19,571
Mary Jean: When I met
with Sheridan Peterson,
1629
01:09:19,656 --> 01:09:22,991
I thought it was intriguing
and kind of confusing.
1630
01:09:23,034 --> 01:09:26,327
They evidently found the guy
that made the heist.
1631
01:09:26,413 --> 01:09:27,996
Mary Jean: No.
They never caught the guy.
1632
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:29,497
They didn't?
1633
01:09:29,541 --> 01:09:31,124
Mary Jean: The FBI gave up
on it and closed it.
1634
01:09:31,168 --> 01:09:32,876
Did they?
-During the interview
1635
01:09:32,961 --> 01:09:34,419
I thought it wasn't him.
1636
01:09:34,504 --> 01:09:38,006
And then when he pulled out
the passports, I said,
1637
01:09:38,049 --> 01:09:40,008
"I think it be might him ."
1638
01:09:40,051 --> 01:09:43,553
So here's Kathmandu
in August of '71.
1639
01:09:43,638 --> 01:09:45,013
Mary Jean:
Now, you didn't have these
1640
01:09:45,056 --> 01:09:47,432
when I interviewed you
way back when.
1641
01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:50,226
There are two faded stamps
for Nepal, for Kathmandu
1642
01:09:50,312 --> 01:09:53,396
one ended late in 1971
1643
01:09:53,481 --> 01:09:55,064
before the hijacking
1644
01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:58,735
and then the other one
started in April of 1972.
1645
01:09:58,820 --> 01:10:00,653
By the time
the interview was over
1646
01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:03,656
I walked out thinking
"I don't know anymore.
1647
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:05,617
I'm totally confused."
1648
01:10:05,702 --> 01:10:08,328
Probably about a month
after I was up in Santa Rosa.
1649
01:10:08,371 --> 01:10:10,747
I called Sheridan
and I asked him,
1650
01:10:10,832 --> 01:10:12,540
"I thought you were
gonna do the paperwork
1651
01:10:12,584 --> 01:10:15,376
and follow through
with the DNA filing."
1652
01:10:15,462 --> 01:10:17,921
And he said,
"you told me...
1653
01:10:18,006 --> 01:10:20,381
That I wasn't d.B. Cooper
1654
01:10:20,425 --> 01:10:22,842
and, you know,
I don't think I'm gonna do it."
1655
01:10:22,886 --> 01:10:23,927
And then that was it.
1656
01:10:24,012 --> 01:10:26,137
The conversation ended.
1657
01:10:26,223 --> 01:10:28,890
And I hung up thinking,
"my god.
1658
01:10:28,975 --> 01:10:32,101
Now, that makes me
really suspicious."
1659
01:10:32,187 --> 01:10:35,188
He just wants to keep it
'til he dies
1660
01:10:35,232 --> 01:10:38,024
which is probably
how it's gonna play out.
1661
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:41,236
Fishburne: Five weeks later,
1662
01:10:41,321 --> 01:10:43,988
Eric arrives
back in California.
1663
01:10:44,074 --> 01:10:46,032
He setup
a video conference meeting
1664
01:10:46,117 --> 01:10:47,951
with a senior analyst
at the lab
1665
01:10:48,036 --> 01:10:50,119
comparing d.B. Cooper's DNA
1666
01:10:50,205 --> 01:10:52,622
to one of Sheridan's daughters.
1667
01:10:52,707 --> 01:10:54,082
If his theory is right
1668
01:10:54,167 --> 01:10:56,584
he may finally learn
the true identity
1669
01:10:56,628 --> 01:10:58,211
of d.B. Cooper.
1670
01:10:58,296 --> 01:11:01,589
Eric: When I first embarked
upon this investigation
1671
01:11:01,675 --> 01:11:04,300
I had no idea
where it's gonna take me.
1672
01:11:04,386 --> 01:11:07,679
I had no idea
who I was going to encounter.
1673
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:10,598
Let alone
that I'd find a suspect
1674
01:11:10,642 --> 01:11:13,268
who couldn't be ruled out
by the known facts.
1675
01:11:13,311 --> 01:11:16,187
According to Sheridan
his second wife
1676
01:11:16,273 --> 01:11:17,981
had passed away
1677
01:11:18,066 --> 01:11:21,609
in 1977.
1678
01:11:21,653 --> 01:11:24,654
Well, he's lying
about something.
1679
01:11:24,739 --> 01:11:26,114
Eric: I've often said
1680
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:30,034
that I believe
with 98% certainty
1681
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,329
that Sheridan Peterson
could be d.B. Cooper.
1682
01:11:33,415 --> 01:11:36,332
But there's always been
that missing two percent.
1683
01:11:36,418 --> 01:11:38,459
Because truthfully,
1684
01:11:38,503 --> 01:11:40,670
I've never been able to find
the smoking gun.
1685
01:11:40,755 --> 01:11:42,839
There's an awful lot riding
1686
01:11:42,924 --> 01:11:44,465
on what the lab comes back with.
1687
01:11:49,139 --> 01:11:51,723
That could break the case
wide open.
1688
01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:54,309
He'll be speaking
to an analyst at the lab
1689
01:11:54,352 --> 01:11:56,144
tasked with testing a sample
1690
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:57,520
taken directly from the tie
1691
01:11:57,605 --> 01:11:59,647
Cooper left behind
on the plane.
1692
01:11:59,733 --> 01:12:02,317
Should DNA be found
within the sample
1693
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,778
the results could reopen
a near 50-year-old case
1694
01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:07,822
and confirm Eric's suspicions
1695
01:12:07,866 --> 01:12:09,991
about a person of interest.
1696
01:12:10,076 --> 01:12:12,118
Eric: How are you?
1697
01:12:12,162 --> 01:12:13,119
I'm good. How are you?
1698
01:12:13,163 --> 01:12:14,329
Eric: I'm doing well.
1699
01:12:14,372 --> 01:12:16,164
Well, my name
is Samantha wandzek
1700
01:12:16,207 --> 01:12:18,750
and I currently work
at DNA labs international,
1701
01:12:18,835 --> 01:12:20,168
we're a private laboratory
1702
01:12:20,253 --> 01:12:21,669
out of deerfield beach
in Florida
1703
01:12:21,755 --> 01:12:24,005
and we have clients
in over 40 states.
1704
01:12:24,049 --> 01:12:26,799
So it's very easy to go back
to any cold case
1705
01:12:26,843 --> 01:12:28,509
and find more work to be done.
1706
01:12:28,553 --> 01:12:29,969
So for this case,
I was actually
1707
01:12:30,013 --> 01:12:31,262
the reporting analyst for it.
1708
01:12:31,348 --> 01:12:33,181
And how did you tackle
this material
1709
01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:35,641
that I sent to you to try
to ascertain whether or not
1710
01:12:35,727 --> 01:12:37,518
there's any DNA or not?
1711
01:12:37,604 --> 01:12:39,187
Samantha:
Due to the size of the filter
1712
01:12:39,272 --> 01:12:41,439
we actually cut it out
in teeny-tiny chunks
1713
01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,941
and then sent the whole filter
for extraction.
1714
01:12:44,027 --> 01:12:46,861
That's the first stage
of the DNA testing process.
1715
01:12:46,905 --> 01:12:49,322
We then try to determine
how much DNA, if any,
1716
01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:50,823
is present in the sample.
1717
01:12:50,867 --> 01:12:52,283
If we have enough DNA
1718
01:12:52,369 --> 01:12:54,410
we'll then send it forward
for implication.
1719
01:12:54,496 --> 01:12:56,245
When you have cases
that are old,
1720
01:12:56,331 --> 01:12:58,664
um, typically you'll see
a sample will be degraded.
1721
01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:01,042
That DNA is just
gonna break apart over time
1722
01:13:01,086 --> 01:13:04,128
and you're just not gonna have
as much intact DNA.
1723
01:13:04,214 --> 01:13:06,964
But I was very surprised
with the results.
1724
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:09,467
So there was DNA
1725
01:13:09,552 --> 01:13:11,219
in the filter?
1726
01:13:11,262 --> 01:13:13,346
We did end up with a profile
1727
01:13:13,431 --> 01:13:15,556
from one male individual.
1728
01:13:15,642 --> 01:13:18,184
Is there some way to quantify
like the strength?
1729
01:13:18,228 --> 01:13:19,519
I mean,
is it one of these things
1730
01:13:19,604 --> 01:13:21,687
where one out of a billion
people would...
1731
01:13:21,731 --> 01:13:23,815
Match this particular profile,
1732
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:25,566
like, how strong is it?
1733
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:27,110
What can it tell US?
1734
01:13:27,195 --> 01:13:30,196
Samantha: Typically,
once you have over 20 locations
1735
01:13:30,281 --> 01:13:32,073
you would have to see hundreds,
1736
01:13:32,117 --> 01:13:34,075
thousands,
millions in planet earth,
1737
01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:35,910
that are staying
in current population
1738
01:13:35,954 --> 01:13:38,079
to expect to see
that profile one time.
1739
01:13:38,164 --> 01:13:40,373
So once you have
over those 20 locations
1740
01:13:40,417 --> 01:13:42,166
it usually becomes very rare.
1741
01:13:42,252 --> 01:13:43,918
So what you're telling me
1742
01:13:44,003 --> 01:13:46,879
is that we are
the very first people
1743
01:13:46,923 --> 01:13:50,758
outside of the FBI
to actually have
1744
01:13:50,802 --> 01:13:53,428
d.b. Cooper's DNA profile?
1745
01:13:53,513 --> 01:13:56,597
I'm anxious to find out
what that means?
1746
01:13:56,641 --> 01:14:00,268
What can it tell US
in comparison to DNA profile
1747
01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:03,521
for one of Sheridan Peterson's
daughters?
1748
01:14:03,606 --> 01:14:06,107
Does it match?
1749
01:14:08,486 --> 01:14:10,486
She is not
the biological daughter
1750
01:14:10,572 --> 01:14:12,989
of the male donor
that we found.
1751
01:14:13,074 --> 01:14:14,449
Wow.
1752
01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:16,117
That's a-- that's a--
that's stunning.
1753
01:14:16,202 --> 01:14:19,287
I mean, it's really remarkable
1754
01:14:19,372 --> 01:14:23,416
given everything I know
about this guy.
1755
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:25,710
It's a game changer obviously.
1756
01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:29,464
The one thing that's very
encouraging to me though
1757
01:14:29,507 --> 01:14:32,925
is that we have a very solid
1758
01:14:33,011 --> 01:14:35,970
DNA profile from the tie.
1759
01:14:36,014 --> 01:14:39,140
Getting a DNA profile
is so important
1760
01:14:39,225 --> 01:14:42,393
because it can provide
assurance to me and others
1761
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,313
that this case
is actually solvable.
1762
01:14:45,398 --> 01:14:48,316
I do very much appreciate
all the effort
1763
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,651
that you folks put into this
1764
01:14:50,695 --> 01:14:52,487
and I'm just very grateful
that we've got
1765
01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:54,989
a solid DNA profile
and I'm grateful
1766
01:14:55,074 --> 01:14:56,449
that we have some resolution
1767
01:14:56,534 --> 01:14:58,117
with respect
to Sheridan Peterson.
1768
01:14:58,203 --> 01:14:59,994
So again,
thank you very much
1769
01:15:00,038 --> 01:15:01,454
for your efforts and your time.
1770
01:15:01,498 --> 01:15:02,914
Please feel free to contact me
1771
01:15:02,999 --> 01:15:04,749
with any additional questions
that you have.
1772
01:15:04,834 --> 01:15:05,958
We will do that.
1773
01:15:08,046 --> 01:15:10,838
Fishburne: Now, armed with new
information from the lab.
1774
01:15:10,882 --> 01:15:15,176
Eric calls agent Mary Jean
fryar to share the results.
1775
01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:18,137
Right now,
1776
01:15:18,181 --> 01:15:19,680
I wanna give Mary Jean a call
1777
01:15:19,766 --> 01:15:21,349
and I wanna let her know
1778
01:15:21,392 --> 01:15:23,142
what I have learned.
1779
01:15:23,228 --> 01:15:25,978
Because Mary Jean
has really helped
1780
01:15:26,022 --> 01:15:27,688
move my investigation forward
1781
01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:29,982
and I'm sure
she's gonna wanna know
1782
01:15:30,068 --> 01:15:33,152
what I've learned
about the DNA.
1783
01:15:33,238 --> 01:15:34,695
Hey, Mary Jean.
How are you doing?
1784
01:15:34,781 --> 01:15:37,657
It's Eric ulis calling.
-Mary Jean: Hey, there.
1785
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,284
Eric:
I've got a DNA update.
1786
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:41,869
Finally have some results
1787
01:15:41,955 --> 01:15:44,247
from the lab in Florida.
1788
01:15:44,332 --> 01:15:45,998
They did come up
1789
01:15:46,084 --> 01:15:49,710
with a full DNA profile
1790
01:15:49,796 --> 01:15:51,379
and it's from a male.
1791
01:15:51,422 --> 01:15:52,838
Mary Jean:
I'm getting really excited.
1792
01:15:52,924 --> 01:15:54,840
My stomach is like a knot
1793
01:15:54,926 --> 01:15:57,843
because I'm hoping
that it's him.
1794
01:15:57,887 --> 01:16:01,305
They proved 100% that the DNA
1795
01:16:01,391 --> 01:16:03,558
does not match.
1796
01:16:03,643 --> 01:16:05,560
Mary Jean: Damn.
1797
01:16:05,603 --> 01:16:10,231
Sheridan Peterson
is not d.B. Cooper.
1798
01:16:10,275 --> 01:16:12,066
Mary Jean: Last conversation
I have with Sheridan
1799
01:16:12,110 --> 01:16:15,403
he point blank refused
to go forward with the DNA--
1800
01:16:15,446 --> 01:16:16,737
get the DNA results.
1801
01:16:16,823 --> 01:16:18,864
Eric:
I am absolutely convinced
1802
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:21,242
that the DNA that we have
1803
01:16:21,327 --> 01:16:23,202
is d.B. Cooper's DNA.
1804
01:16:23,288 --> 01:16:26,038
So if anybody matches
this DNA profile
1805
01:16:26,082 --> 01:16:28,082
all 20 points that's your guy.
1806
01:16:28,126 --> 01:16:29,750
There's absolutely no doubt
about it.
1807
01:16:29,794 --> 01:16:31,460
Mary Jean:
Can we run it in databases
1808
01:16:31,546 --> 01:16:34,589
and find him or is this
a lost cause at this point?
1809
01:16:34,632 --> 01:16:36,716
They actually can utilize it
1810
01:16:36,801 --> 01:16:39,760
to run through the codis system
but of course that involves,
1811
01:16:39,804 --> 01:16:41,887
you know, law enforcement
getting involved,
1812
01:16:41,931 --> 01:16:43,598
then the courts
getting involved.
1813
01:16:43,641 --> 01:16:45,433
Mary Jean: Eric, I think
what you've done is...
1814
01:16:45,476 --> 01:16:47,059
More than the FBI ever did.
1815
01:16:47,145 --> 01:16:48,936
And I would think
this is enough
1816
01:16:48,980 --> 01:16:50,438
that if we need law enforcement
1817
01:16:50,481 --> 01:16:52,440
they've got to take
this back and reopen it.
1818
01:16:52,483 --> 01:16:54,108
This is damn good evidence.
1819
01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:56,068
This is better than
I've ever come up with
1820
01:16:56,154 --> 01:16:58,279
and maybe they can actually
solve this case
1821
01:16:58,323 --> 01:17:00,114
with your help.
-I honestly believe
1822
01:17:00,158 --> 01:17:02,867
we will eventually figure out
who this guy was.
1823
01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:05,620
Thank you very much.
-Mary Jean: Take care.
1824
01:17:05,663 --> 01:17:08,664
Fishburne: After narrowing down
Cooper's possible landing site
1825
01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:11,959
and eliminating
an FBI person of interest.
1826
01:17:12,003 --> 01:17:13,586
Eric's even more determined
1827
01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:15,713
to continue his mission.
1828
01:17:15,798 --> 01:17:18,883
I feel very empowered
at the moment.
1829
01:17:18,968 --> 01:17:21,469
I feel more motivated
than ever.
1830
01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:24,472
Because having this DNA profile
1831
01:17:24,515 --> 01:17:26,932
provides
an outstanding blueprint
1832
01:17:26,976 --> 01:17:30,102
as I continue to pursue
this case.
1833
01:17:30,188 --> 01:17:32,104
I am now actually armed
1834
01:17:32,190 --> 01:17:35,274
with precisely what I need
1835
01:17:35,318 --> 01:17:38,444
to determine who d.B. Cooper was
1836
01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:41,489
and more importantly
to prove it.
1837
01:17:41,532 --> 01:17:43,282
Time in the d.B. Cooper case
1838
01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:46,285
has served
as a double edge sword.
1839
01:17:46,329 --> 01:17:47,745
In one sense you have,
1840
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:49,288
you know,
first-hand witnesses
1841
01:17:49,374 --> 01:17:52,166
that pass on
and memories fade.
1842
01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:54,168
But in another sense
1843
01:17:54,212 --> 01:17:57,171
we have advances in science
and technology.
1844
01:17:57,256 --> 01:17:59,674
And I think
when all is said and done
1845
01:17:59,759 --> 01:18:02,134
time is going to be our friend
1846
01:18:02,178 --> 01:18:03,886
because I firmly believe
1847
01:18:03,971 --> 01:18:07,348
that this DNA profile
is ultimately
1848
01:18:07,433 --> 01:18:10,351
what's gonna break this case
wide open
1849
01:18:10,395 --> 01:18:14,021
and is what is going to solve
this case.
1850
01:18:14,065 --> 01:18:15,356
Fishburne: The identity of d.B.
Cooper
1851
01:18:15,441 --> 01:18:18,192
has haunted investigators
for nearly five decades.
1852
01:18:18,236 --> 01:18:21,028
Who is the mysterious hijacker?
1853
01:18:21,072 --> 01:18:24,365
And will we ever finally
discover his true identity?
1854
01:18:24,409 --> 01:18:27,201
I'm Laurence fissburne, thank
you for watching
1855
01:18:27,286 --> 01:18:29,662
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