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Berlinger: In the small town of Chillicothe, Ohio,

six women have gone missing,

young mothers caught in a vicious cycle of addiction

and prostitution.

Four of them have turned up dead.

Woman: I found a woman's body in the creek.

Berlinger: I'm Joe Berlinger.

I'm a documentary filmmaker and an activist.

I'm working with forensic analyst Angela Clemente

and former FBI agent Steve Bongardt

to find out what happened to these women.

We've looked into the death and disappearances of nine women

in Columbus, Chillicothe, and Portsmouth, Ohio.

We're going to get justice.

All of us in here have to get justice.

In the course of our investigation,

one local drug trafficker, Ernest "Dollar Bill" Moore,

has emerged as a primary person of interest in the deaths

and disappearances of several victims.

-It was Dollar Bill. -Dollar Bill.

Dollar Bill is the scariest person

I have ever met in my life.

Berlinger: Dollar Bill is currently serving time for a brutal assault

and facing federal drug-trafficking charges.

In a jailhouse phone call to us, Jason McCrary alleged

that Dollar Bill killed Charlotte Trego

and burned her body.

And now new sources have come forward,

corroborating Jason McCrary's statement.

Is there enough evidence for law enforcement

to indict Dollar Bill for murder?

Ruth: There's somebody out there that knows what went on,

but they just won't tell because they're scared.

Magill: So we pray, "Our Father..."

Heather: He put the gun to my chest, and he said, "Live or die."

Landrum: Everybody who knows information that tries to come out

and talk about it, they end up dead.

Coleman: He gave her a hot shot of heroin.

Kellough: And I said, "I know who your son is,

and I know what he did, too."

Sam: If she's out there, please just let her go

[Echoing] and let her come home.

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Clemente: But now Dollar Bill's name is coming up all the time

with all these other women.

He's become a person of interest.

From Jason, what we learned was he's saying that Ernest Moore,

Dollar Bill, was the one that killed Charlotte

and that Charlotte's body

was burned on the location and buried on the location

of where he was selling his drugs in Gallipolis.

-Gallipolis. -Right.

Berlinger: Gallipolis, Ohio, is a small town of 4,000 people,

located an hour southeast of Chillicothe.

He was not sure why she was killed,

but it was Dollar Bill, he's saying,

and it allows us something to follow up on.

Bongardt: We need to corroborate.

We have to verify everything

that he said in that conversation.

Berlinger: Jason McCrary's tip is currently our strongest lead

in the Charlotte Trego case.

Boggs: Charlotte has two children.

She loved her kids very much,

and her kids was her world to her.

And when she got the heroin,

that's when her life really went into a big spiral.

Last time anyone seen her was May 3.

Berlinger: If we discover that Dollar Bill was directly connected

to Charlotte's disappearance,

we may be able to make some progress

in some of the other cases, as well.

Bongardt: What are the dates, again?

Clemente: Charlotte is last seen on the 3rd.

Okay, so 5/3.

Now, this is 2014, obviously.

And she had just been kicked out by her roommate.

Jason McCrary said that she was killed in Gallipolis, right,

with Ernest Moore? -Mm-hmm.

5th and the 7th, our timeline has Ernest Moore sell heroin

to an informant in Gallipolis.

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Well, look at the time

Ernest Moore is actually in Gallipolis.

This probably puts him in Gallipolis,

so it does corroborate somewhat the story, right?

'Cause this happens in Gallipolis, right?

-Right. -So the point --

That's a nice, little, tight time period that's fitting.

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Berlinger: Could there be a connection

between Charlotte's disappearance on May 3

and the undercover drug sale and Dollar Bill's trap house

in Gallipolis two days later?

Angela tracks down Charlotte's former roommate,

now living in a different apartment complex,

and makes an unscheduled visit, bringing a security guard

just in case there's any trouble.

Clemente: She is the last person that Charlotte was living with.

She kicked Charlotte out,

and then Charlotte really went missing right after that.

You know, you want to go back to the person

that was the last one that saw her.

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The first thing she said, "You're not recording me."

Said, "Don't worry. You're not going to be recorded.

You're fine."

So something's going on here.

Something is brewing.

The one thing that she did say was there were a lot of rumors

that Charlotte was dismembered.

What she was afraid of, though, was that she's gonna be killed.

She said that she is terrified for her life.

Berlinger: Just as one door closes, another one opens.

Charlotte's mother, Yvonne Boggs,

introduces us to a friend of Charlotte's

who knew her at the time she went missing.

So I think she's out this way.

Yeah, out to the left.

How are you?

I'm okay. How are you doing?

-Good to see you. -You too.

How are you holding up?

-Eh, good days and bad. -Yeah.

-Hi, I'm Joe. -Hi, Joe.

-Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you.

Hi, I'm Steve.

Berlinger: This friend of Charlotte's

is afraid of retaliation,

so we agreed to conceal her identity.

We're going to film this, but we're going

to keep your identity out of it

if that's okay.

Thank you for coming forward.

What is it that you want to tell us?

Was anything going on at her house at that time,

like, with regard to selling drugs?

I don't want to lead you,

but were drugs being sold out of her house?

Who was doing that at the time?

At the time that Charlotte went missing,

Dollar Bill was selling out of there?

Berlinger: So it was like a trap house for Dollar Bill?

Why? When you say he's very scary, just the way he --

I mean, the fact that that was a trap house for Dollar Bill --

That's big. -Yeah, yeah.

'Cause it puts them all there at the same time

the last couple of days when she was here.

Was Charlotte reaching out for money around that time?

She had reached out to Mr. Sturgeon

and, you know, asked to borrow money.

When was that? Do you know?

He told me it was the 6th.

I didn't know until just here recently.

I was thinking it was earlier than that.

Berlinger: This information that Charlotte called Dennis Sturgeon,

a family friend, is important,

as it changes the timeline of her disappearance.

Could you take us to the house?

Sure.

Just to take a look at it, you know, where you last saw her?

Yep.

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Hearing that Charlotte and her roommate

were letting Dollar Bill sell drugs

out of their apartment in Chillicothe

confirms that Charlotte and Dollar were in close contact

around the time she went missing.

-So this is the house. -Yes.

The one in the back with the stairs.

-Yeah. -Uh-huh. Up top.

Did she owe Dollar Bill money at the time?

Boggs: Well, she asked me for $50.

Right.

And I told her -- she said, "I need more," but she says,

"Do you have 50?"

"Charlotte," I said, "I don't have that kind of money.

What do you need that kind of money for?"

She says, "Well, I owe Dollar some money."

Was she worried, was she concerned

that something was gonna happen to her?

Yeah, she was.

And I said, "Well, I don't know what to tell you."

"Hon," I said, "I don't have it," and she said,

"Well, I've got to get some money for him today."

Berlinger: We gather more information from a former drug dealer

who knew both Charlotte and Dollar Bill.

He agrees to talk to us only on the condition

that we hide his identity.

Did she ever steal drugs from anyone else, do you know?

Did he change?

Like, 'cause you knew him from young.

So he picked Chillicothe because that was an area

that would make him more money?

Do you know what happened to Charlotte?

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Berlinger: Charlotte Trego owed money to her drug dealer,

Ernest "Dollar Bill" Moore.

She asked me for $50, and she said,

"Well, I owe Dollar some money."

Berlinger: And a source claims that around that time,

he was selling drugs out of the apartment

where Charlotte had been staying.

Were drugs being sold out of her house?

Who was doing that at the time?

Berlinger: We've heard stories about Dollar Bill's violent nature.

But could a $50 drug debt be a motive for murder?

To find out, we tracked down Winter Hodge,

a recovering addict who had ties to Dollar Bill.

Tell me about Dollar Bill.

There's two sides to him,

and for just as good as he can be,

he's just as evil.

He started out when I first met him.

He was such a nice guy.

He was so good to me.

He was good to my kids.

You know, he was gonna make money

out of my apartment and look out for me,

and it didn't really work out that way.

In 2011, Winter let Dollar Bill use her apartment

as a trap house to sell heroin.

In exchange, he supplied her with drugs, but eventually,

the deal went sour.

I had said some things that, probably, I shouldn't have said,

and Dollar, like, turned on me, a few days after,

and was banging on my door.

Someone in the neighborhood had seen him pull up the alley

and told me, like, oh, they were coming, like,

you were getting ready to get it.

Did he threaten you, personally, ever?

Dollar doesn't really have to say anything to threaten you.

He doesn't have the type of anger that explodes.

Nothing about him was ever really unplanned or chaotic.

Like, it was always very --

-Calculated? -Calculated.

Somebody that I was closely acquainted with at the time

had done something to upset him,

and he kept her for days on end,

like, brutally torturing her.

She had been beat on.

He was heating forks up on the stove.

Oh, my god.

Like, I don't feel like they torture terrorists that bad.

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Hey, you know that we're investigating and looking

at all the different women that are missing,

and you knew a lot of them.

Yeah.

Tameka and Timberly and Charlotte, Tiffany, Shasta.

Yeah, that's my girls.

Did you ever here if Charlotte had ever gone to Gallipolis?

I had heard that. She had been --

I hadn't seen her for a few days,

and they said that she had went out of town with him.

-Him meaning? Dollar, okay. -Dollar.

And at that time, I know that that's where they were going.

It was supposed to be a "secret,"

but everybody knew where they were going.

I mean, you've known how Dollar is,

and you knew all the girls.

Do you think he is capable of killing these women?

Definitely.

Do you think he's involved in any way?

Yes.

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Bongardt: We're going out to the house in Gallipolis,

the house that Dollar Bill

was arrested out of in July of 2014.

In time and place, location,

this is a very significant place.

And Dollar Bill was busted in July of 2014.

July, right.

Charlotte disappeared in May of 2014.

In May, right.

Berlinger: We have been hearing how addicts and prostitutes

sometimes work as informants for local law enforcement,

trading information for reduced charges.

May 16 is the day that Tameka's husband

says he last saw her,

but Charlotte is last heard from on May 6.

She calls, asking for money.

We have people that see Charlotte with Dollar Bill

before she goes missing,

and Charlotte and Dollar Bill go way back.

Seems to be a lot of growing connections between Dollar Bill

and Charlotte, you know,

and if police were using her and others as informants

to build the case against Dollar Bill --

if he has any kind of plug into law enforcement,

he might know that these buys were done.

So there's a chance that it gets back to him,

he gets angry.

Whoever he's with he decides to take it out on.

It's one explanation of what could have happened to her,

that she was knocked off in retaliation

for snitching on Dolla.

One of the things that we also know

is she was calling relatives

or other people looking for money.

We know that Charlotte owed Dollar Bill money.

That's a real powerful motive.

He was very violent with these girls when they stole from him.

-Or owed him money. -Or owe them money. Right.

I think there's a very real chance

that Charlotte's remains could be on this property.

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This is the house.

This is it.

There's people there.

We'll go up and turn back around.

There is a wooded area, kind of starting from the road,

goes back up along the hill that way,

and part of it is wooded.

This is it, right in front of us.

That whole hill area up there,

I think they have part of that area.

So right up in there --

You don't think this would be a perfect place to bury a body?

Yeah.

This would be a perfect place to bury a body.

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They said they knew drugs were being sold out of the house,

and they were in a horrible situation

because they really couldn't do anything.

There were women and people coming and going all the time.

At least we've confirmed that's the place.

It's interesting no police have come out.

So if Charlotte is there, nobody is looking for her.

Right.

Berlinger: We feel there is enough probable cause

for law enforcement to conduct a search

for the remains of Charlotte's body

on the property in Gallipolis.

We return to the Chillicothe Police Department

to tell them what we have discovered,

hoping they will act quickly in response.

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-How you doing? -I'm going that way.

We are trying to work in concert with law enforcement

and assist you guys in any way that we can.

And anything that we get, any kind of leads that we get

that seem substantial or important,

we want to make sure that you get them.

We have been speaking with some people

that would not generally want to talk.

You're familiar with McCrary, right?

Mm-hmm. Yes.

So we did a jailhouse interview telephonically,

and basically, he said that Dollar Bill killed Trego,

Charlotte Trego, down in Gallipolis,

a trap house or a house they were selling out of.

The body supposedly was buried there.

A lot of the information we have, obviously,

comes from street sources,

that Tameka and Charlotte were together,

and we have never been able

to corroborate any of those statements.

Right. We've sat down, and we've done a timeline,

and the timeline on when Trego went missing,

we're not seeing where they were together.

The timeline piece really, really piques my interest

because in investigations like this,

timelines are essential

in trying to piece together what happened to her.

I know that Dollar Bill's name

has came up numerous times in Trego's investigation.

We've been very open about that.

This particular information, I don't know

that we have received information

that she was in Gallipolis.

My first step, I'll be honest with you,

is going to be is contacting our local

Missing Persons Task Force Commander, Chief Deputy Hollis,

or Colonel Hollis, with the Sheriff's office,

who runs our local Missing Persons Task Force.

You have been helpful, very helpful.

I appreciate it very much.

I'm gonna take the information we got here,

and we're gonna run with it.

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Berlinger: While waiting on law enforcement

to act on the information we shared,

another grim reality becomes clear.

Drug abuse has contributed to all of these deaths

and disappearances,

and it has affected almost everyone,

even Detective Bud Lytle,

whose daughter has been struggling with addiction.

Her addiction started with a simple back injury,

and she was prescribed opiate painkillers

and became addicted and ended up going to the street.

Banfield: In Ohio, there have been nearly 90 ODs in the last week.

The amount of 911 calls are pouring in as though

this were a mass-casualty event.

Everybody was harping

and wanting things done on the heroin epidemic.

They wanted people arrested.

They wanted people in jail,

but that didn't stop the drug trade.

You know, as long as you've got a demand,

you're going to have a supply.

And when it comes to policing, you know,

the major conversation now is heroin.

Man: OD in Carrington, Narcan.

And it's really the epidemic that we're facing,

a problem in more ways than I expected

when I took this job.

27 to headquarters. Narcan's been administered.

Reporter: A record number of overdose deaths

is keeping the coroner's office busy.

Reporter: Well, this county coroner's office

is using an emergency portable morgue.

Dr. Gabis: It's so painful for our community to realize

that we're losing a generation of people

to this scourge, this epidemic.

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Berlinger: Just as our investigation in Chillicothe

is gaining traction,

we receive a call for help from Zanobi,

a transgender heroin addict we met previously.

She has been supporting her $400-a-day habit

by turning tricks in Portsmouth, Ohio.

But now she's ready to get clean and turn her life around.

She wants us to take her to a detox facility.

Love you, mom.

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Berlinger: You got a good relationship with your mom.

-Yes. I love my mom. -Yeah.

-My mom is my world. -That's great.

What made you decide to do it now?

I wouldn't wish heroin on my worst enemy 'cause it kills you.

It takes your life away.

It destroy's your life. It destroys your family's life.

Like, it's really the devil.

The victims that we've been following, I mean,

you lived that same life.

Have you had a lot of close calls?

I've been held hostage before in the basement,

tied up for a couple weeks.

There's some crazy people out here,

and, you know, like, doing the things

that we do to get our fix,

things that we turn to is prostitution, you know?

And being out there on the streets,

walking the streets, trying to catch a trick,

trying to catch a play, like,

those men out there are dangerous,

and they're crazy.

Bodies coming up missing. Nobody know what happened.

Murders aren't being investigated.

Like, you know?

Why doesn't -- 'Cause this is not normal.

And so why haven't people just stood up?

-'Cause everybody's scared. -Scared of what?

They're scared to talk about it because they know how it is.

You're going to come up missing.

Nobody is going to know what happened.

They're not going to find your body, none of that.

You're just going to be another person

that just came up missing.

That's it.

Oh, man.

I'm glad you're getting clean. -Thank you.

We're pulling for you.

-Thank you. -[ Laughs ]

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Berlinger: Cheryl Beverly runs a rehab facility in Chillicothe.

She knows firsthand how destructive these drugs can be.

Heroin is just a bottomed-out drug.

It's not just the kids that are walking time bombs.

It's everybody that are actually walking time bombs.

Heroin will make anybody disappear.

Cheryl agrees to help Zanobi get into a detox program,

the first step in recovery.

-Hello. -Hi. How are you?

-Good. How are you? -Good. [ Laughs ]

It's nice to meet you. I'm Cheryl.

-Nice to meet you. -[ Laughs ]

-Are you ready? -Yes, ma'am, absolutely.

Okay. Give me a hug.

Let's go. [ Laughs ]

Berlinger: All right. Good luck to you.

Thank you.

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Tonight, Cheryl Beverly is gathering families

and community leaders from across Chillicothe

to discuss the epidemic that is plaguing their town.

Beverly: Tonight, I'm hoping we will get some questions answered

and get the community to understand a little more that,

you know, it's going to take more than just law enforcement

to help with this heroin epidemic.

It's gonna actually take the community, too.

Welcome, everybody, to the town hall 2016.

The topic is gonna be about why heroin is on every street.

We have a great panel up here,

and we are gonna go ahead and get started.

Dr. Gabis: Every family in this room has been affected by addiction.

It is a disease.

If I were to tell you that you had cancer, you wouldn't say,

"Oh, no, it's okay. I got this."

You'd say, "Do whatever you need to do. I'm all-in."

Lavender: My name is George Lavender.

I'm your Ross County sheriff.

When I got elected eight years ago, you know,

the emphasis was on arresting this problem away.

We found that don't work.

Everyone agrees that Chillicothe is facing a serious problem,

but they don't all agree

on how the community should battle this epidemic.

Hayburn: These drug dealers find these young girls

that's on Section 8 with kids.

Then, they'll get in there and start dealing their drugs

out of their apartments or houses.

And we've got to put a stop to some of this

by getting these dealers out of these houses

that we as taxpayers pay for.

I want to address what you said, Mr. Hayburn,

because it's not people

that are in Section 8 housing.

This heroin epidemic is no respecter of race,

gender, socioeconomic class.

It does not care how much money you have.

Your child, my child, the child of a homeless person

living on the street,

any of them can get access to the drugs.

It doesn't have anything to do with money.

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Berlinger: While the town of Chillicothe

is consumed by fighting this opioid epidemic,

we remain focused on finding answers

for the families of the missing and murdered women.

Having heard nothing from the authorities in Chillicothe

about searching in Gallipolis for Charlotte's remains,

Steve Bongardt reaches out to his former colleague at the FBI.

Hey, Steve Bongardt. How are you?

So we've been out here now in Chillicothe,

and so I have the information I want to pass to you.

We were told that Dollar Bill, Ernest Moore,

murdered one of the other victims,

Charlotte Trego,

and then buried the body in Gallipolis

at an address where he was arrested,

so the body would have been buried in May of 2014.

Yeah. She's one of the six that we're specifically looking at.

-Sounds right. -Okay, sounds great.

-Uh-huh. -Yep. See ya.

All right. Bye.

So they have task-force assets

that they're gonna pass the address to.

If we get any more information, it'll help, but the asset

is a helicopter using ground-penetration radar.

Berlinger: With the FBI sending a helicopter

equipped with ground-penetrating radar

to fly over the property in Gallipolis,

suddenly it feels we're on the brink of getting

some long-awaited answers.

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Berlinger: Steve Bongardt monitors from the ground

as the FBI conducts a helicopter search of the property

surrounding Dollar Bill's former trap house in Gallipolis.

Ground-penetrating radar searches for soil disruptions,

which may indicate a shallow grave site.

Bongardt: The type of technology that you're using,

it would be able to sense a change

in soil composition primarily due to a body decomposing.

Is that correct?

Man: It might. It's --

So the fact that there's been a winter

or maybe two winters really makes it difficult.

You said there were three fire pits out there that you saw.

Yeah, three of them.

Was it a way to tell whether all three are active,

or was one an old fire pit?

All of them are active, yeah.

What would you recommend now?

Do you think you have enough for a consent search

and using cadaver dogs on that property?

What additional information can we get to help corroborate?

As soon as we come up with anything,

you know, we'll let you know.

All right, thanks a lot. Bye.

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FBI assets from the task force

out of Huntington flew over the property

and did not find a grave site, per se,

but found three fire pits.

There was one, in particular,

that was far away from the house, up on a ridge.

If you were looking to burn a body,

that would probably be that fire pit.

Berlinger: Unfortunately, GPR technology can only detect an intact body

buried in a shallow grave.

It cannot locate burnt remains buried years ago,

so the results of our search are inconclusive.

Still, the sighting of three fire pits on the property

is an important discovery.

The next step is to gather enough firsthand information

to generate a warrant

for a ground search of the property.

If we can get some level of corroborating information,

enough for them to muster a team of cadaver dogs,

the FBI is going to coordinate a search at that property.

This is probably our best lead.

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Berlinger: The pressure is on for us to uncover evidence

that places Charlotte in Gallipolis

around the time she went missing.

Hey, buddy. How are you?

Are you comfortable being able to talk now?

Angela cultivates a relationship with an associate of Dollar Bill

who agrees to help on the condition

that his identity remains anonymous.

Tell me exactly kind of what you overheard Dollar Bill say.

Man: Charlotte...

He said what?

-[ Speaks indistinctly ] -Wow.

He should have put Artie where he put Charlotte,

and then he wouldn't have to be dealing with it.

Oh, my God. Okay.

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If you think of anything else, just let me know.

You got my number, and I'll be in touch, as well.

All right. Bye-bye.

He was incarcerated with Dollar Bill,

and Dollar Bill was stressing really bad

about how much he was going to get

on the Artie Hamlin case, the torture case,

and he said, at that time, "You know what?

I should have put Artie where I put Charlotte."

Berlinger: According to the source,

Dollar Bill admitted to killing Charlotte Trego,

but we still need to confirm

where this alleged murder occurred.

What we're trying to do is develop

corroborating information from people

that just can put Charlotte at that house at that time.

Right. And that's our biggest issue.

We locate another source who may tell us more

about what happened to Charlotte.

If she corroborates that

Charlotte was killed in Gallipolis,

we may now have enough evidence

to encourage the authorities to conduct

a ground search of the property.

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You're being silhouetted,

and your identity is gonna be totally hidden.

Can you tell me why you want to do it that way?

Why is it --

Can you tell me about Dollar Bill, Ernest Moore?

And was Dollar Bill ever violent with anyone that you know?

Have you ever been to Gallipolis?

You have?

Did you ever see Charlotte Trego in Gallipolis?

Okay. Did you ever hear that she had been there?

Dollar Bill said that directly to you?

So you, with your own ears, you heard Dollar Bill say that?

Right? Yeah.

Do you know what happened to Charlotte Trego?

That Dollar Bill burnt Charlotte's body

and because she was a snitch?

Berlinger: While Danielle could not confirm

that Charlotte was in Gallipolis,

she does give us valuable firsthand information

that suggests Dollar Bill's potential involvement.

It feels like we're getting close to finding out

what happened to Charlotte

and maybe some of the other victims, as well.

Bongardt: I think the question we have to figure out is,

how do we move forward

and get the best justice for the victims, right?

There needs to be some accountability.

I agree.

So, we're the ones that are investigating this.

We've been putting all of this together,

and we're not just going to let this fall

because that's exactly

what the women's families were looking at,

and we promised them that we would do

whatever we could to solve it.

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Clemente: Steve and I have been working really hard

on putting together pieces

that Jason McCrary has told us about,

and we have some confidential sources

that we're talking to

that have come forward about Ernest Moore.

We tried to take some of this information already

to Chillicothe Police Department,

and we found there's no action.

So, I'm working on this declaration.

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We've got people saying that, you know,

Dollar Bill was the one that was involved,

and Dollar Bill's stating to other people,

"They've been accounted for. They were snitches,"

So we've got, you know, a motive,

and then we've got people

substantiating what Jason McCrary said

and that they heard from Dollar Bill.

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Ostensibly, it doesn't look like Chillicothe PD has said anything

about the fact that there could be a dead body out at --

-Yeah. It's a little -- -I'm really disappointed.

That's actually disturbing.

Yeah.

Berlinger: Angela and Steve drive to Gallia County, an hour away,

to deliver the declaration to the sheriff there

who has jurisdiction over the property in question.

We are hoping the sheriff will act on this lead

by conducting a search for Charlotte Trego's remains.

Clemente: If Ernest Moore is involved with this,

he can't get away with this.

The proper steps have to be followed,

and proper justice has to be handed down.

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I think it went very well.

The sheriff was extremely interested.

He clearly recognized a lot of the names that we brought up.

Charlotte Trego might be buried out at that house

after being murdered there by Ernest Moore.

They hadn't heard anything,

so what I'm worried about is stonewalling by someone,

either purposefully or not.

Berlinger: Our executive producer arrives

at the Chillicothe Police Department for a meeting,

but our team is caught off-guard when Chief Deputy T.J. Hollis

of the Ross County Sheriff's Office

intercepts her with a delivery.

And can you tell me what this --

You just need to read this and follow your instructions.

So what is this exactly?

What it says right there, ma'am.

Grand jury witness subpoena.

And can I get your signature on this service?

Yes, but I'm gonna read it first.

I'm not gonna sign anything that I haven't read.

Okay.

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Confidential source 1, confidential source 2,

and confidential source 3,

including all interviews and recordings

or transcriptions thereof,

personal identifying information and contact information.

Joe?

Berlinger: Hey. What's going on?

T.J. Hollis handed me a grand jury witness subpoena,

and it's requesting all investigative documents

compiled by Angela Clemente and Steve Bongardt

and anything referring to confidential sources.

So they want us to turn over investigative records?

Yeah.

Well, we certainly don't want to interfere

with the law-enforcement investigation.

On the other hand, the divulging of confidential reporters

and information is protected by the First Amendment,

so it's obviously a tricky issue.

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Berlinger: The subpoena puts us in a difficult position.

We meet up back in New York to figure out our next steps.

All right. So as you guys know,

we've been served a subpoena.

Right, yeah.

I mean, there are -- obviously, the focus here

seems to be the confidential sources.

I'm surprised that they wouldn't contact us

and try to work with us

to give them the information that we have.

It seems more adversarial rather than just saying,

"Hey, we hear that you've developed

some additional information.

Would you sit down and talk with us?"

On the one hand, we certainly, as good citizens,

don't want to thwart a police investigation.

We want to fully cooperate,

and we want the crime to be solved,

and we would love police involvement

in helping us try to figure this out.

On the other hand, we don't want the confidential sources

to be named unless they agree to be named

because that could potentially endanger them.

This is a pretty major thing that just happened, so...

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