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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,212 --> 00:00:13,779 At night, I lock myself in my bedroom 2 00:00:13,881 --> 00:00:18,250 with the alarm system on and a gun in my nightstand. 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,453 My adrenaline's kicking. 4 00:00:21,555 --> 00:00:22,921 I was pretty amped up. 5 00:00:24,725 --> 00:00:26,258 This kind of thing no one 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,260 ever thinks could happen to their family. 7 00:00:29,296 --> 00:00:32,664 It's always something you see on TV or in the movies. 8 00:00:35,336 --> 00:00:37,569 We've got somebody here out on the run 9 00:00:37,671 --> 00:00:39,671 that smashed an old lady's head open. 10 00:00:39,774 --> 00:00:41,006 We got to figure out who did this. 11 00:00:49,283 --> 00:00:50,349 The community's wondering, 12 00:00:50,451 --> 00:00:51,550 are they in danger? 13 00:00:57,024 --> 00:00:58,791 This was probably the most gruesome 14 00:00:58,893 --> 00:01:00,426 crime scenes I had seen. 15 00:01:36,063 --> 00:01:37,162 Um... 16 00:02:26,046 --> 00:02:27,212 Within minutes, 17 00:02:27,314 --> 00:02:31,316 middleton police dispatch officer Ken chung to the scene, 18 00:02:31,418 --> 00:02:34,653 a single-family home on the north side of town. 19 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:37,222 I just turned on my lights and responded as quickly 20 00:02:37,324 --> 00:02:39,424 as I could to the address, which wasn't too far 21 00:02:39,527 --> 00:02:40,559 from the police department. 22 00:02:42,363 --> 00:02:44,029 I had just completed the academy, 23 00:02:44,131 --> 00:02:45,998 and I was in my last phase of field training. 24 00:02:48,202 --> 00:02:50,302 My adrenaline was kicking. 25 00:02:50,404 --> 00:02:52,204 I was pretty amped up. 26 00:02:54,808 --> 00:02:57,476 I could tell by my coworker, officer engstrom's face 27 00:02:57,578 --> 00:03:00,412 and his expression that something serious had happened. 28 00:03:00,514 --> 00:03:03,982 I looked over to my right, and I saw an older lady 29 00:03:05,252 --> 00:03:06,451 lying in the garage 30 00:03:07,721 --> 00:03:11,490 with a stream of blood flowing from her body. 31 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:14,993 Paramedics are already on scene, 32 00:03:15,095 --> 00:03:16,962 as well as the 911 caller 33 00:03:17,064 --> 00:03:18,530 and his mother, Rose, 34 00:03:18,632 --> 00:03:21,166 who identifies herself as the victim's daughter. 35 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:27,639 It certainly... 36 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:31,910 Is something I'll remember for the rest of my life, 37 00:03:32,012 --> 00:03:35,080 just like officer chung will, I believe, 38 00:03:35,182 --> 00:03:37,182 just based on what we saw that day. 39 00:03:39,220 --> 00:03:42,020 What's not immediately apparent is if there might be 40 00:03:42,122 --> 00:03:44,389 another victim or possible assailants 41 00:03:44,491 --> 00:03:45,657 inside the house. 42 00:03:46,794 --> 00:03:48,794 So officers prepare to enter. 43 00:03:51,765 --> 00:03:55,033 I turned to Rose and asked her for a key to the house, 44 00:03:55,135 --> 00:03:58,437 and she was surprised that the door was locked. 45 00:04:09,850 --> 00:04:11,383 Upon opening the door, 46 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:14,219 I started giving verbal orders. 47 00:04:18,859 --> 00:04:22,661 I immediately noticed evidence right inside the door, um... 48 00:04:23,731 --> 00:04:26,265 There was a decent amount of blood 49 00:04:26,367 --> 00:04:29,268 and what I believed to be, like, bone fragments 50 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:31,536 or skull fragments along with 51 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:34,406 probable brain matter. 52 00:04:37,544 --> 00:04:41,546 Officers also noticed blood smears on the floor 53 00:04:41,649 --> 00:04:43,915 and blood spatter on the walls. 54 00:04:48,422 --> 00:04:51,990 It was difficult responding and clearing that house, 55 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:54,293 because we knew it was a potential homicide. 56 00:04:54,395 --> 00:04:57,329 It's the first homicide I've ever run into. 57 00:04:57,431 --> 00:05:00,299 In law enforcement, you'll never forget your first homicide. 58 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:20,152 At that point, you could hear, I mean, 59 00:05:20,254 --> 00:05:21,553 I was able to hear my breathing. 60 00:05:21,655 --> 00:05:24,189 I could feel -- almost feel my pulse, 61 00:05:24,291 --> 00:05:25,824 and... 62 00:05:25,926 --> 00:05:29,394 I had to constantly remind myself to slow things down, 63 00:05:29,496 --> 00:05:32,331 to think clearly, to breathe, and not to fall 64 00:05:32,433 --> 00:05:33,598 into this tunnel vision. 65 00:05:33,701 --> 00:05:34,933 It's like everything... 66 00:05:36,303 --> 00:05:38,770 Unintentionally slowed down as we were walking 67 00:05:38,872 --> 00:05:40,172 through the hallway 68 00:05:40,274 --> 00:05:41,940 and clearing each room in the house. 69 00:05:50,551 --> 00:05:52,584 With the scene secure, 70 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:55,921 officers next speak with Rose and her son. 71 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:09,234 They both positively identified the lady 72 00:06:09,336 --> 00:06:13,338 lying on the garage floor as 82-year-old Agnes bram. 73 00:06:20,247 --> 00:06:23,615 If you met my mom, you would not forget that you met her. 74 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:27,152 If you go anywhere in town, you just say aggie, 75 00:06:27,254 --> 00:06:29,554 they'll know who you're talking about. 76 00:06:29,656 --> 00:06:31,523 It's kind of like if you say Oprah, 77 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:34,059 because everyone knows who she is. 78 00:06:34,161 --> 00:06:36,895 We're very lucky that grandma aggie lived 79 00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:38,864 only six or so blocks away, 80 00:06:38,966 --> 00:06:42,634 so whenever I got mad and wanted to run away from home, 81 00:06:42,736 --> 00:06:44,703 it would be six blocks away. 82 00:06:46,006 --> 00:06:48,473 She was always a loving, good lady, 83 00:06:48,575 --> 00:06:50,675 and she made everyone laugh. 84 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:54,446 She was always throwing up the peace sign. 85 00:06:54,548 --> 00:06:56,648 It was pretty unfathomable to hear 86 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:59,351 that someone did something to my grandma aggie. 87 00:07:00,988 --> 00:07:04,589 It was a few days before we found her, 88 00:07:04,691 --> 00:07:06,792 because she came over to my house 89 00:07:06,894 --> 00:07:09,795 on the 26th of April, 90 00:07:09,897 --> 00:07:10,962 which is my birthday, 91 00:07:11,064 --> 00:07:13,632 and she gave me a hug and a kiss and said, 92 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:17,002 "happy birthday. I love you, and I'll see you later." 93 00:07:27,781 --> 00:07:28,847 Back at the house, 94 00:07:28,949 --> 00:07:32,184 forensic investigators process the crime scene. 95 00:07:33,220 --> 00:07:35,420 It appears Agnes was struck in the head with some kind 96 00:07:35,522 --> 00:07:36,788 of object, um... 97 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:38,190 We didn't know what that was, 98 00:07:38,292 --> 00:07:41,660 um, and then was drug out into the garage. 99 00:07:45,566 --> 00:07:48,767 Where there was pooling inside the residence, 100 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:51,603 the suspect placed a rug over that 101 00:07:51,705 --> 00:07:52,771 to cover it up. 102 00:07:53,941 --> 00:07:57,275 And there was also some blood spatter on the walls that 103 00:07:57,377 --> 00:07:59,544 the Wisconsin state crime laboratory came in 104 00:07:59,646 --> 00:08:00,846 and did some analysis on. 105 00:08:02,516 --> 00:08:06,551 We did not find an obvious weapon that was 106 00:08:06,653 --> 00:08:08,653 used to strike aggie at the scene. 107 00:08:09,957 --> 00:08:12,591 Investigators also find that the residence 108 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:14,993 shows no signs of forced entry, 109 00:08:16,063 --> 00:08:17,796 and nothing appears to be missing. 110 00:08:24,004 --> 00:08:26,071 Officers then speak with Rose 111 00:08:26,173 --> 00:08:28,507 to learn more about what may have happened. 112 00:08:30,544 --> 00:08:32,077 I wanted her away from everyone else 113 00:08:32,179 --> 00:08:34,346 and in a place that offered more privacy. 114 00:08:52,966 --> 00:08:56,167 When I asked Rose if she can think of any possible suspects 115 00:08:56,270 --> 00:08:57,936 that may have wanted to hurt her mother, 116 00:08:58,038 --> 00:09:01,206 she couldn't think of anyone, 117 00:09:01,308 --> 00:09:05,176 but one piece of information she gave US 118 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,512 that I found pretty important was that, 119 00:09:07,614 --> 00:09:09,614 um, she... 120 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:11,216 Housed 121 00:09:11,318 --> 00:09:13,051 different tenants throughout the years. 122 00:09:17,691 --> 00:09:21,426 Rose briefly mentioned that she was concerned about some of 123 00:09:21,528 --> 00:09:25,363 the tenants that she had and even mentioned it to Agnes, 124 00:09:25,465 --> 00:09:28,300 that maybe she should consider 125 00:09:28,402 --> 00:09:29,568 not having tenants. 126 00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:34,272 And there was one tenant specifically 127 00:09:34,374 --> 00:09:37,943 that Rose said she found particularly unnerving. 128 00:09:51,592 --> 00:09:53,491 When I got the very basic information 129 00:09:53,594 --> 00:09:55,827 that I had of Agnes living with a roommate, 130 00:09:55,929 --> 00:09:57,429 or housing a tenant, 131 00:09:57,531 --> 00:10:00,065 I passed that information on to the detectives, 132 00:10:00,167 --> 00:10:01,666 but, I mean, that's all I had. 133 00:10:01,768 --> 00:10:04,069 I didn't have any additional information to give them, 134 00:10:04,171 --> 00:10:05,203 not even a name. 135 00:10:14,147 --> 00:10:16,047 Hoping to find out more information 136 00:10:16,149 --> 00:10:18,216 on Agnes's mystery tenant... 137 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:24,789 ...investigators start a neighborhood canvass. 138 00:10:54,554 --> 00:10:56,655 The neighbor describes Agnes's tenant 139 00:10:56,757 --> 00:10:59,157 as a white male in his fifties 140 00:10:59,259 --> 00:11:02,494 with close-cropped hair who was approximately 141 00:11:02,596 --> 00:11:05,096 5'11", 240 pounds. 142 00:11:23,650 --> 00:11:25,216 However, the neighbor says 143 00:11:25,318 --> 00:11:28,219 he never learned the man's name. 144 00:11:28,321 --> 00:11:30,422 At this point, we don't know who this guy is. 145 00:11:30,524 --> 00:11:33,658 We're getting discouraged, and we're getting concerned, 146 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,894 because we've got somebody here, um, 147 00:11:35,996 --> 00:11:39,497 out on the run that smashed a little old lady's head open. 148 00:11:39,599 --> 00:11:40,765 We gotta figure out who did this. 149 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:56,948 Police in middleton, Wisconsin, are investigating 150 00:11:57,050 --> 00:12:00,018 the murder of 82-year-old Agnes bram. 151 00:12:02,189 --> 00:12:04,422 And are looking for a mystery man 152 00:12:04,524 --> 00:12:06,257 who rents a room from the victim. 153 00:12:09,029 --> 00:12:10,528 Because I'm looking at this serious crime here, 154 00:12:10,630 --> 00:12:11,830 I'm trying to figure out who could 155 00:12:11,932 --> 00:12:14,833 be responsible for this and who's got motivation. 156 00:12:18,138 --> 00:12:19,871 Back at the station, 157 00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:22,707 hoping to put a name to the mystery tenant, 158 00:12:22,809 --> 00:12:26,244 detectives speak with Agnes's grandson. 159 00:12:26,346 --> 00:12:27,746 The 911 caller, 160 00:12:27,848 --> 00:12:31,916 her grandson knew that aggie was renting a room 161 00:12:32,018 --> 00:12:33,284 out to somebody, however, 162 00:12:33,386 --> 00:12:36,488 didn't know that person's name or couldn't provide any details 163 00:12:36,623 --> 00:12:37,522 about who that was. 164 00:12:59,613 --> 00:13:02,380 However, he is able to provide information 165 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:04,349 about an earlier tenant, 166 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:06,518 someone who had suddenly moved out. 167 00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:14,058 The victim's grandson tells detectives 168 00:13:14,161 --> 00:13:17,162 the tenant's name is bemis gorvego. 169 00:13:19,232 --> 00:13:21,933 I was familiar with bemis from past context. 170 00:13:22,035 --> 00:13:24,035 As a detective, I start thinking, 171 00:13:24,137 --> 00:13:26,371 okay, is this -- is this motivation? 172 00:13:32,846 --> 00:13:36,447 But before they can track down bemis, the next day, 173 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:39,350 the results of the autopsy come in. 174 00:13:39,452 --> 00:13:42,086 They confirm investigators' suspicions 175 00:13:42,189 --> 00:13:44,455 about how Agnes died. 176 00:13:44,558 --> 00:13:46,724 The medical examiner ruled aggie's death 177 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:49,460 homicidal by blunt force trauma to the back of her head. 178 00:13:49,563 --> 00:13:51,796 It was some type of implement consistent 179 00:13:51,898 --> 00:13:53,131 with a hammer. 180 00:13:53,233 --> 00:13:55,600 There were some other injuries that weren't circular in pattern 181 00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:57,202 that may have been caused 182 00:13:57,304 --> 00:13:59,504 from the claw side of a claw hammer. 183 00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:02,307 Agnes was very small. 184 00:14:02,409 --> 00:14:04,042 She's a little old lady. 185 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:06,277 In my 20-plus years of law enforcement, 186 00:14:06,379 --> 00:14:08,913 this was one of the most gruesome crime scenes 187 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:10,181 I had seen. 188 00:14:10,283 --> 00:14:12,350 It was unbelievable to think that somebody else 189 00:14:12,452 --> 00:14:13,785 could have done this to somebody. 190 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,726 I feel like... 191 00:14:22,896 --> 00:14:25,463 With her getting murdered on my birthday... 192 00:14:27,133 --> 00:14:29,934 It's something that I'll probably never forget. 193 00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:32,337 At night, I lock myself in my bedroom 194 00:14:32,439 --> 00:14:37,408 with the alarm system on and a gun in my nightstand. 195 00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:42,046 So...i am terrified all the time. 196 00:14:42,148 --> 00:14:45,116 We never used to lock our doors at our house at all. 197 00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:47,585 We'd leave our cars unlocked all the time. 198 00:14:47,687 --> 00:14:50,588 I mean, we live in a safe city in a safe neighborhood, 199 00:14:50,690 --> 00:14:53,191 and it's not like that anymore. 200 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:58,897 The bram family holds a funeral 201 00:14:58,999 --> 00:15:00,965 for their beloved Agnes, 202 00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:04,068 praying that justice will be served. 203 00:15:04,170 --> 00:15:05,970 This is the kind of thing you -- no one 204 00:15:06,072 --> 00:15:08,039 ever thinks could happen to their family. 205 00:15:09,709 --> 00:15:12,944 It's always something you see on TV or in the movies, 206 00:15:13,046 --> 00:15:16,481 and when it's happening to you, it's happening, and... 207 00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:19,651 There's nothing you can do about it. 208 00:15:26,893 --> 00:15:29,460 Now, investigators are determined to locate 209 00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:31,863 their two possible suspects. 210 00:15:31,965 --> 00:15:34,165 They continue their neighborhood canvass 211 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:37,936 when a uniformed officer has a chance encounter with bemis's 212 00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:40,305 former boss at a local convenience store 213 00:15:40,407 --> 00:15:41,572 while on break. 214 00:16:11,171 --> 00:16:14,339 In fact, investigators also learn Agnes 215 00:16:14,441 --> 00:16:17,542 had taken bemis to court over unpaid rent. 216 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:21,145 We had learned that her previous tenant 217 00:16:21,247 --> 00:16:24,983 and Agnes had some arguments over money, 218 00:16:25,085 --> 00:16:28,019 and that immediately raises a little bit of a red flag 219 00:16:28,121 --> 00:16:29,854 for US as detectives. 220 00:16:31,191 --> 00:16:33,391 That would be a lead and someone we'd would want 221 00:16:33,526 --> 00:16:37,128 to talk to, because any time you have money involved, 222 00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:38,629 it might -- and money owed, 223 00:16:38,732 --> 00:16:41,666 it might be a motive to do something like this. 224 00:16:45,638 --> 00:16:49,874 Bemis's former boss gives officers bemis's address, 225 00:16:49,943 --> 00:16:52,343 and he's brought into the station for questioning. 226 00:16:58,451 --> 00:16:59,517 Good. 227 00:17:05,892 --> 00:17:06,891 Yes. 228 00:18:30,276 --> 00:18:33,077 Any time that somebody has knowledge of the layout of 229 00:18:33,179 --> 00:18:36,047 the house or habits that people maintain 230 00:18:36,149 --> 00:18:38,683 as far as locking doors and windows and with that 231 00:18:38,785 --> 00:18:42,587 interior garage door never being locked, 232 00:18:42,689 --> 00:18:45,723 knowing where a hidden key is for the house, 233 00:18:45,825 --> 00:18:48,426 those are things that always perk our interests 234 00:18:48,528 --> 00:18:49,594 as detectives. 235 00:18:50,697 --> 00:18:54,098 Growing suspicious of bemis, detectives then turn 236 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,767 their attention to the day Agnes was murdered. 237 00:19:16,523 --> 00:19:19,457 Bemis said that, you know, during the timeframe 238 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:21,592 that we thought that aggie was murdered, 239 00:19:21,694 --> 00:19:23,127 that he had been working. 240 00:19:23,229 --> 00:19:26,397 He works as a landscaper, so I told detective Jones 241 00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:27,999 we'll follow up with his employer 242 00:19:28,101 --> 00:19:32,370 and get work records and verify that he was at work. 243 00:19:32,472 --> 00:19:34,705 And with no other direct evidence 244 00:19:34,807 --> 00:19:36,807 connecting bemis to the murder, 245 00:19:36,910 --> 00:19:39,410 detectives are forced to let him go. 246 00:19:43,283 --> 00:19:44,415 Out of leads, 247 00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:48,419 detectives ponder their next move when a man from Agnes's 248 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:51,756 neighborhood comes forward claiming to have information 249 00:19:51,858 --> 00:19:54,192 pertinent to the investigation. 250 00:19:54,260 --> 00:19:56,961 Detectives speak with him at the police station. 251 00:20:05,405 --> 00:20:07,838 The man explains that he was recently visited 252 00:20:07,941 --> 00:20:09,507 by his former neighbor, 253 00:20:09,609 --> 00:20:11,475 a man named Jack hamann. 254 00:20:18,685 --> 00:20:22,286 The neighbor tells detectives that Jack has a mean streak 255 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:25,389 in him, especially when it comes to women. 256 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:34,432 However, he did help Jack financially when Jack 257 00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:35,733 asked him for money. 258 00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:07,365 Hamann asked him for money, and the citizen's like, 259 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:10,635 well, is, you know, everything okay with your new place? 260 00:21:10,737 --> 00:21:12,203 He knew that he had just moved. 261 00:21:12,305 --> 00:21:14,171 And are you making rent? 262 00:21:14,274 --> 00:21:16,173 Is everything good with that? 263 00:21:16,276 --> 00:21:18,175 And hamann says to this citizen... 264 00:21:18,278 --> 00:21:20,878 Shhh. 265 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:25,049 The citizen was very alarmed by the way Jack said that, 266 00:21:25,151 --> 00:21:27,518 and after learning about this crime, 267 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:29,520 felt extremely compelled 268 00:21:29,622 --> 00:21:32,623 to come and -- and tell the police about this. 269 00:21:32,725 --> 00:21:34,525 We've got some flags now. 270 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:36,027 We don't know if he's been involved. 271 00:21:37,297 --> 00:21:39,830 Detectives then ask the neighbor if he knows 272 00:21:39,932 --> 00:21:44,135 the name of Jack's landlord and are struck with his reply. 273 00:21:44,237 --> 00:21:47,004 Jack's associate told US that his landlord's name 274 00:21:47,106 --> 00:21:48,739 was Agnes bram. 275 00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:04,021 Middleton, Wisconsin, police 276 00:22:04,123 --> 00:22:06,290 are searching for Jack hamann, 277 00:22:06,392 --> 00:22:10,695 a man who rented a room from 82-year-old Agnes bram 278 00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:12,029 and who they believe may have 279 00:22:12,131 --> 00:22:15,099 valuable information relating to her murder. 280 00:22:16,135 --> 00:22:18,936 Things are starting point towards this current roommate, 281 00:22:19,038 --> 00:22:21,439 and we need to find him, because, you know, 282 00:22:21,541 --> 00:22:24,909 as the hours pass, it becomes more difficult to solve. 283 00:22:26,412 --> 00:22:28,245 This is a big investigation. 284 00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:30,047 This is a whodunit homicide. 285 00:22:32,752 --> 00:22:35,519 So we're urgently trying to figure out where he is. 286 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,894 Police run Jack hamann's background and discover 287 00:22:43,996 --> 00:22:47,131 a state ID photo and a criminal record. 288 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:50,267 An investigative lead that detectives will use 289 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:54,705 in pursuing a possible suspect in a crime such as this 290 00:22:54,807 --> 00:22:56,974 would be their -- any activity that they have 291 00:22:57,076 --> 00:22:59,410 on social media sites to -- 292 00:22:59,512 --> 00:23:01,512 to develop information about them, 293 00:23:01,614 --> 00:23:05,116 and their whereabouts and who they are. 294 00:23:06,486 --> 00:23:07,618 In investigating 295 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,054 Jack hamann, a social media post 296 00:23:10,156 --> 00:23:15,092 was located in which he made derogatory comments about women 297 00:23:16,963 --> 00:23:20,431 and the fact that he had disdain for women. 298 00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:26,337 Unfortunately, apart from Agnes's house, 299 00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:29,673 investigators find no record of an address. 300 00:23:29,776 --> 00:23:30,541 At this point, 301 00:23:30,643 --> 00:23:32,843 we've learned that Jack hamann 302 00:23:32,945 --> 00:23:35,479 can be pretty angry toward women, 303 00:23:36,682 --> 00:23:40,785 and he owes Agnes, his landlady, money, 304 00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:42,253 and we're not able to find him. 305 00:23:42,355 --> 00:23:44,488 He's become a prime suspect at this point. 306 00:23:50,163 --> 00:23:54,064 As the investigation stalls, Agnes's family is hit with 307 00:23:54,167 --> 00:23:56,000 another wave of impatience, 308 00:23:56,102 --> 00:23:57,935 bewilderment, and fear. 309 00:23:58,037 --> 00:24:00,805 We were frantically watching the news, 310 00:24:00,907 --> 00:24:03,974 talking with the detectives, getting any updates 311 00:24:04,076 --> 00:24:06,977 we could -- of course, it was an anxious time. 312 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,914 It did feel like an eternity 313 00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:11,282 of just sitting there, waiting. 314 00:24:15,087 --> 00:24:16,220 Out of leads, 315 00:24:16,322 --> 00:24:18,622 the case threatens to go cold. 316 00:24:18,724 --> 00:24:21,025 This is a case where time is not on our side. 317 00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:23,761 We don't have a lot of luxury in waiting 318 00:24:23,863 --> 00:24:25,362 to find the suspect. 319 00:24:26,432 --> 00:24:29,200 Then investigators get a call from a manager 320 00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:30,634 of a local business 321 00:24:30,736 --> 00:24:34,238 claiming a strange man came in seeking assistance. 322 00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:37,241 We were contacted by a local business who said 323 00:24:37,343 --> 00:24:42,446 that they had an individual, an older, disheveled, 324 00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:45,115 upset, panicked male subject, 325 00:24:45,218 --> 00:24:47,384 looking for a ride to the hospital. 326 00:24:47,487 --> 00:24:49,820 The business didn't provide him with that ride 327 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:51,422 but did direct him to the bus stop. 328 00:24:53,059 --> 00:24:54,859 Investigators learn the incident 329 00:24:54,961 --> 00:24:57,895 was captured on surveillance video. 330 00:24:57,997 --> 00:25:02,466 They review the footage and identify the man in question. 331 00:25:02,568 --> 00:25:04,802 It's none other than Jack hamann. 332 00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:08,539 It looked exactly like him. 333 00:25:08,641 --> 00:25:10,040 He even kind of walked with that gait 334 00:25:10,142 --> 00:25:11,709 that some of these neighbors talked about. 335 00:25:13,946 --> 00:25:17,448 So at this point, we know that we need to locate Jack 336 00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:21,452 and interview him and find out what he knows about 337 00:25:21,554 --> 00:25:23,521 what has happened to Agnes. 338 00:25:23,623 --> 00:25:26,290 Does he have valuable information about it? 339 00:25:26,392 --> 00:25:27,458 Is he okay? 340 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,360 Is he a victim? 341 00:25:29,462 --> 00:25:31,695 Is -- is he involved in this? 342 00:25:33,766 --> 00:25:36,100 Investigators know from the surveillance video 343 00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:37,234 at the bus stop 344 00:25:37,336 --> 00:25:39,403 that Jack boarded a bus heading for 345 00:25:39,505 --> 00:25:40,905 the university hospital. 346 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,307 But they don't know where he got off. 347 00:25:43,409 --> 00:25:45,976 Haselow: Hours passed, and we don't know where he is, 348 00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:47,845 and we can't find him. 349 00:25:47,947 --> 00:25:50,548 So we start to wonder if he actually 350 00:25:50,650 --> 00:25:53,450 is there and when we'll be able to find him. 351 00:25:53,553 --> 00:25:55,319 They pull the surveillance video 352 00:25:55,421 --> 00:25:58,255 from inside the bus and eventually locate 353 00:25:58,357 --> 00:26:00,124 footage of Jack boarding. 354 00:26:17,543 --> 00:26:19,577 We were going through bus footage trying 355 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,779 to figure out where he got off. 356 00:26:21,881 --> 00:26:24,048 He had told staff at this local business 357 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:26,584 that he wanted a ride to the uw hospital. 358 00:26:26,686 --> 00:26:29,753 We suspected that's where he was at. 359 00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:32,923 But again, this took time reviewing this video. 360 00:26:36,228 --> 00:26:39,063 Officers continue scrolling through the footage 361 00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:41,999 and watch as the bus makes each stop. 362 00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:44,868 Sure enough, they observe Jack exiting 363 00:26:44,971 --> 00:26:47,204 the bus at the stop near the hospital. 364 00:27:03,189 --> 00:27:05,689 Hamann's whereabouts are finally confirmed, 365 00:27:05,791 --> 00:27:07,891 and officers are sent to the scene. 366 00:27:07,994 --> 00:27:10,394 There's Jack in bed, 367 00:27:12,898 --> 00:27:15,132 in a gown, kind of disheveled. 368 00:27:19,972 --> 00:27:22,473 And his response is -- is quite memorable, 369 00:27:22,575 --> 00:27:23,641 and he says... 370 00:27:37,556 --> 00:27:40,391 Police investigating the murder of Agnes bram 371 00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:41,892 in middleton, Wisconsin, 372 00:27:41,994 --> 00:27:45,396 have just apprehended their prime suspect, 373 00:27:45,498 --> 00:27:48,365 54-year-old Jack hamann, 374 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:50,134 who rented a room from the victim 375 00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:53,771 and who may have been the last person to see her alive. 376 00:27:56,342 --> 00:27:59,443 Jack hamann was ultimately located at uw hospital, 377 00:27:59,545 --> 00:28:01,478 but that was just the beginning. 378 00:28:03,482 --> 00:28:05,949 Police transport hamann in a squad car 379 00:28:06,052 --> 00:28:08,886 to the middleton police department's medical facility 380 00:28:09,989 --> 00:28:13,057 and then obtain a search warrant for his DNA. 381 00:28:14,827 --> 00:28:17,661 A forensic scientist from the state crime lab 382 00:28:17,763 --> 00:28:19,563 arrives to examine his body. 383 00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:23,867 Lift that hand up again, please. 384 00:28:33,846 --> 00:28:35,746 A detective is in the room, 385 00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:38,849 I'm in the room, so that I can analyze and collect 386 00:29:00,873 --> 00:29:03,273 We collected his DNA 387 00:29:29,502 --> 00:29:32,136 His demeanor was... 388 00:29:33,873 --> 00:29:35,239 Nonchalant. 389 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:57,814 Or may have some information that we don't. 390 00:31:57,917 --> 00:32:00,918 We just didn't know at that point, 391 00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,220 and I wanted to talk to him. 392 00:32:20,673 --> 00:32:22,005 Yeah. 393 00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:29,980 My personal approach is just treat everyone, 394 00:32:30,082 --> 00:32:33,717 even someone who is a suspect in a homicide -- 395 00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:27,871 IQ-wise, I think he was savvy. 396 00:34:10,582 --> 00:34:12,582 The chances of that attorney saying, "yeah, go ahead 397 00:34:36,909 --> 00:34:39,109 Jack hamann, the man middleton 398 00:34:40,546 --> 00:34:44,915 murdered Agnes bram, has shut down his interrogation, 399 00:35:24,123 --> 00:35:26,957 And...um... 400 00:37:12,064 --> 00:37:14,331 While she was lying in the garage. 401 00:37:28,814 --> 00:37:31,214 Is a direct match to Agnes. 402 00:37:45,364 --> 00:37:48,465 Her DNA is there, but he's not 403 00:37:48,567 --> 00:37:50,367 walking around in her blood every day. 404 00:37:50,469 --> 00:37:53,670 Why -- why would there be blood on the side of his shoe 405 00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:56,399 After her homicide, 406 00:39:51,323 --> 00:39:53,590 He grabbed the nearest implement 407 00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:59,996 and he just beat her to death with it. 408 00:40:48,647 --> 00:40:50,680 He is sentenced to life in prison 409 00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:57,720 we'll never bring her back, but, you know, 410 00:41:19,377 --> 00:41:20,510 He's where he should be. 411 00:41:20,612 --> 00:41:23,146 Justice was served, um, 412 00:41:26,551 --> 00:41:30,153 but mentally, I don't think it's ever gonna go away. 413 00:41:30,288 --> 00:41:33,756 I think the worst part was that we didn't get 31875

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