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At night, I lock
myself in my bedroom
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with the alarm system on
and a gun in my nightstand.
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My adrenaline's kicking.
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I was pretty amped up.
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This kind of thing
no one
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ever thinks could happen
to their family.
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It's always something you see
on TV or in the movies.
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We've got somebody
here out on the run
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that smashed
an old lady's head open.
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We got to figure out
who did this.
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The community's wondering,
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are they in danger?
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This was probably
the most gruesome
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crime scenes I had seen.
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Um...
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Within minutes,
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middleton police dispatch
officer Ken chung to the scene,
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a single-family home
on the north side of town.
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I just turned on my lights
and responded as quickly
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as I could to the address,
which wasn't too far
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from the police department.
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I had just completed
the academy,
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and I was in my last phase
of field training.
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My adrenaline was kicking.
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I was pretty amped up.
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I could tell by my coworker,
officer engstrom's face
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and his expression that
something serious had happened.
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I looked over to my right,
and I saw an older lady
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lying in the garage
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with a stream of blood
flowing from her body.
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Paramedics
are already on scene,
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as well as the 911 caller
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and his mother, Rose,
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who identifies herself
as the victim's daughter.
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It certainly...
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Is something I'll remember
for the rest of my life,
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just like officer chung will,
I believe,
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just based on what
we saw that day.
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What's not immediately
apparent is if there might be
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another victim
or possible assailants
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inside the house.
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So officers prepare to enter.
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I turned to Rose and asked her
for a key to the house,
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and she was surprised
that the door was locked.
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Upon opening the door,
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I started giving verbal orders.
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I immediately noticed evidence
right inside the door, um...
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There was a decent
amount of blood
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and what I believed to be,
like, bone fragments
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or skull fragments along with
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probable brain matter.
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Officers also noticed
blood smears on the floor
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and blood spatter
on the walls.
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It was difficult responding
and clearing that house,
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because we knew it was
a potential homicide.
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It's the first homicide
I've ever run into.
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In law enforcement, you'll never
forget your first homicide.
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At that point,
you could hear, I mean,
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I was able to hear
my breathing.
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I could feel --
almost feel my pulse,
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and...
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I had to constantly remind
myself to slow things down,
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to think clearly, to breathe,
and not to fall
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into this tunnel vision.
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It's like everything...
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Unintentionally
slowed down as we were walking
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through the hallway
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and clearing each room
in the house.
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With the scene secure,
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officers next speak
with Rose and her son.
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They both positively
identified the lady
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lying on the garage floor
as 82-year-old Agnes bram.
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If you met my mom, you would
not forget that you met her.
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If you go anywhere in town,
you just say aggie,
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they'll know who
you're talking about.
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It's kind of like
if you say Oprah,
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because everyone knows
who she is.
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We're very lucky
that grandma aggie lived
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only six or so blocks away,
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so whenever I got mad and
wanted to run away from home,
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it would be six blocks away.
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She was always a loving,
good lady,
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and she made everyone laugh.
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She was always throwing up
the peace sign.
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It was pretty unfathomable
to hear
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that someone did something
to my grandma aggie.
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It was a few days
before we found her,
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because she came over
to my house
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on the 26th of April,
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which is my birthday,
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and she gave me a hug
and a kiss and said,
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"happy birthday. I love you,
and I'll see you later."
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Back at the house,
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forensic investigators
process the crime scene.
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It appears Agnes was struck
in the head with some kind
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of object, um...
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We didn't know what that was,
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um, and then was drug
out into the garage.
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Where there was pooling inside
the residence,
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the suspect placed
a rug over that
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to cover it up.
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And there was also some blood
spatter on the walls that
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the Wisconsin state crime
laboratory came in
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and did some analysis on.
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We did not find
an obvious weapon that was
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used to strike aggie
at the scene.
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Investigators also
find that the residence
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shows no signs of
forced entry,
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and nothing appears
to be missing.
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Officers then speak with Rose
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to learn more about
what may have happened.
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I wanted her away
from everyone else
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and in a place that offered
more privacy.
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When I asked Rose if she can
think of any possible suspects
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that may have wanted
to hurt her mother,
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she couldn't think of anyone,
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but one piece of information
she gave US
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that I found pretty important
was that,
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um, she...
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Housed
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different tenants
throughout the years.
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Rose briefly mentioned that
she was concerned about some of
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the tenants that she had and
even mentioned it to Agnes,
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that maybe she should consider
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not having tenants.
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And there was
one tenant specifically
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that Rose said she found
particularly unnerving.
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When I got the very
basic information
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that I had of Agnes
living with a roommate,
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or housing a tenant,
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I passed that information
on to the detectives,
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but, I mean,
that's all I had.
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I didn't have any additional
information to give them,
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not even a name.
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Hoping to find out
more information
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on Agnes's mystery tenant...
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...investigators start
a neighborhood canvass.
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The neighbor
describes Agnes's tenant
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as a white male in his fifties
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with close-cropped
hair who was approximately
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5'11", 240 pounds.
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However,
the neighbor says
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he never learned
the man's name.
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At this point,
we don't know who this guy is.
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We're getting discouraged,
and we're getting concerned,
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because we've got
somebody here, um,
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out on the run that smashed
a little old lady's head open.
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We gotta figure out
who did this.
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Police in middleton,
Wisconsin, are investigating
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the murder of 82-year-old
Agnes bram.
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And are looking
for a mystery man
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who rents a room
from the victim.
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Because I'm looking
at this serious crime here,
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I'm trying to figure out
who could
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be responsible for this
and who's got motivation.
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Back at the station,
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hoping to put a name
to the mystery tenant,
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detectives speak
with Agnes's grandson.
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The 911 caller,
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her grandson knew that aggie
was renting a room
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out to somebody, however,
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didn't know that person's name
or couldn't provide any details
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about who that was.
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However, he is able
to provide information
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about an earlier tenant,
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someone who had suddenly
moved out.
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The victim's grandson
tells detectives
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the tenant's name
is bemis gorvego.
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I was familiar with bemis
from past context.
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As a detective,
I start thinking,
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okay, is this --
is this motivation?
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But before they can
track down bemis, the next day,
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the results of the autopsy
come in.
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They confirm investigators'
suspicions
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about how Agnes died.
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The medical examiner ruled
aggie's death
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homicidal by blunt force trauma
to the back of her head.
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It was some type of
implement consistent
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with a hammer.
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There were some other injuries
that weren't circular in pattern
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that may have been caused
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from the claw side
of a claw hammer.
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Agnes was very small.
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She's a little old lady.
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In my 20-plus years of
law enforcement,
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this was one of the most
gruesome crime scenes
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I had seen.
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It was unbelievable
to think that somebody else
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could have done this
to somebody.
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I feel like...
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With her getting murdered
on my birthday...
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It's something that
I'll probably never forget.
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At night, I lock myself
in my bedroom
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with the alarm system on
and a gun in my nightstand.
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So...i am terrified
all the time.
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We never used to lock
our doors at our house at all.
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We'd leave our cars unlocked
all the time.
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I mean, we live in a safe city
in a safe neighborhood,
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and it's not like that anymore.
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The bram family
holds a funeral
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for their beloved Agnes,
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praying that justice
will be served.
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This is the kind of
thing you -- no one
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ever thinks could happen
to their family.
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It's always something you see
on TV or in the movies,
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and when it's happening
to you, it's happening, and...
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There's nothing
you can do about it.
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Now, investigators
are determined to locate
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their two possible suspects.
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They continue their
neighborhood canvass
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when a uniformed officer has
a chance encounter with bemis's
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former boss at a local
convenience store
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while on break.
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In fact,
investigators also learn Agnes
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had taken bemis to court
over unpaid rent.
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We had learned
that her previous tenant
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and Agnes had some arguments
over money,
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and that immediately raises
a little bit of a red flag
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for US as detectives.
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That would be a lead
and someone we'd would want
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to talk to, because any time
you have money involved,
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it might --
and money owed,
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it might be a motive
to do something like this.
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Bemis's former boss
gives officers bemis's address,
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and he's brought into
the station for questioning.
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Good.
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Yes.
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Any time that somebody has
knowledge of the layout of
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the house or habits
that people maintain
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as far as locking doors
and windows and with that
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interior garage door
never being locked,
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knowing where a hidden key is
for the house,
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those are things that always
perk our interests
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as detectives.
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Growing suspicious of
bemis, detectives then turn
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their attention to the day
Agnes was murdered.
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Bemis said that, you know,
during the timeframe
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that we thought
that aggie was murdered,
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that he had been working.
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He works as a landscaper,
so I told detective Jones
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we'll follow up
with his employer
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and get work records
and verify that he was at work.
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And with no other
direct evidence
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connecting bemis to the murder,
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detectives are forced
to let him go.
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Out of leads,
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detectives ponder their next
move when a man from Agnes's
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neighborhood comes forward
claiming to have information
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pertinent to the investigation.
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Detectives speak with him
at the police station.
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The man explains that he was
recently visited
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by his former neighbor,
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a man named Jack hamann.
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The neighbor tells detectives
that Jack has a mean streak
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in him, especially
when it comes to women.
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However, he did help
Jack financially when Jack
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asked him for money.
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Hamann asked him for money,
and the citizen's like,
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well, is, you know, everything
okay with your new place?
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He knew that
he had just moved.
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And are you making rent?
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Is everything good with that?
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And hamann says to
this citizen...
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Shhh.
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The citizen was very alarmed
by the way Jack said that,
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and after learning
about this crime,
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felt extremely compelled
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to come and -- and tell
the police about this.
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We've got some flags now.
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We don't know
if he's been involved.
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Detectives then ask
the neighbor if he knows
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the name of Jack's landlord
and are struck with his reply.
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Jack's associate told US
that his landlord's name
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was Agnes bram.
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Middleton,
Wisconsin, police
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are searching
for Jack hamann,
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a man who rented a room from
82-year-old Agnes bram
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and who they believe may have
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valuable information
relating to her murder.
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Things are starting point
towards this current roommate,
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and we need to find
him, because, you know,
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as the hours pass, it becomes
more difficult to solve.
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This is a big investigation.
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This is a whodunit homicide.
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So we're urgently trying
to figure out where he is.
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Police run Jack hamann's
background and discover
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a state ID photo
and a criminal record.
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An investigative lead
that detectives will use
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in pursuing a possible suspect
in a crime such as this
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would be their --
any activity that they have
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on social media sites to --
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to develop information
about them,
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and their whereabouts
and who they are.
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In investigating
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Jack hamann,
a social media post
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was located in which he made
derogatory comments about women
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and the fact that he had
disdain for women.
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Unfortunately,
apart from Agnes's house,
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investigators find no record
of an address.
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At this point,
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we've learned that
Jack hamann
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can be pretty angry
toward women,
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and he owes Agnes,
his landlady, money,
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and we're not able
to find him.
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He's become a prime suspect
at this point.
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As the investigation stalls,
Agnes's family is hit with
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another wave of impatience,
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bewilderment, and fear.
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We were frantically
watching the news,
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talking with the detectives,
getting any updates
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we could -- of course,
it was an anxious time.
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It did feel like an eternity
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of just sitting there, waiting.
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Out of leads,
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the case threatens to go cold.
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This is a case where time
is not on our side.
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We don't have a lot of luxury
in waiting
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to find the suspect.
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Then investigators get
a call from a manager
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of a local business
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claiming a strange man
came in seeking assistance.
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We were contacted by a local
business who said
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that they had an individual,
an older, disheveled,
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upset, panicked
male subject,
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looking for a ride
to the hospital.
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The business didn't provide him
with that ride
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but did direct him
to the bus stop.
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Investigators learn
the incident
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was captured on
surveillance video.
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They review the footage and
identify the man in question.
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It's none other than
Jack hamann.
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It looked exactly like him.
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He even kind of walked
with that gait
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that some of these neighbors
talked about.
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So at this point, we know that
we need to locate Jack
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and interview him and find out
what he knows about
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what has happened to Agnes.
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Does he have valuable
information about it?
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Is he okay?
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Is he a victim?
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Is -- is he involved in this?
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Investigators know
from the surveillance video
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at the bus stop
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that Jack boarded a bus
heading for
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the university hospital.
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But they don't know
where he got off.
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Haselow: Hours passed,
and we don't know where he is,
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and we can't find him.
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So we start to wonder
if he actually
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is there and when we'll be
able to find him.
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They pull
the surveillance video
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from inside the bus
and eventually locate
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footage of Jack boarding.
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We were going
through bus footage trying
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to figure out
where he got off.
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He had told staff
at this local business
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that he wanted a ride
to the uw hospital.
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We suspected
that's where he was at.
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But again, this took time
reviewing this video.
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Officers continue
scrolling through the footage
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and watch as the bus
makes each stop.
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Sure enough,
they observe Jack exiting
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the bus at the stop
near the hospital.
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Hamann's whereabouts
are finally confirmed,
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and officers are sent
to the scene.
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There's Jack in bed,
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in a gown,
kind of disheveled.
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And his response is --
is quite memorable,
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and he says...
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Police investigating
the murder of Agnes bram
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in middleton, Wisconsin,
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have just apprehended
their prime suspect,
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54-year-old Jack hamann,
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who rented a room
from the victim
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and who may have been the last
person to see her alive.
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Jack hamann was ultimately
located at uw hospital,
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but that was just
the beginning.
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Police transport
hamann in a squad car
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to the middleton police
department's medical facility
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and then obtain a search
warrant for his DNA.
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A forensic scientist
from the state crime lab
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arrives to examine his body.
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Lift that hand up again,
please.
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A detective is in the room,
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I'm in the room, so that I can
analyze and collect
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We collected his DNA
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His demeanor was...
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Nonchalant.
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Or may have some information
that we don't.
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We just didn't know
at that point,
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and I wanted to talk to him.
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Yeah.
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My personal approach is just
treat everyone,
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even someone who is a suspect
in a homicide --
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IQ-wise,
I think he was savvy.
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The chances of that attorney
saying, "yeah, go ahead
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Jack hamann,
the man middleton
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murdered Agnes bram, has shut
down his interrogation,
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And...um...
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While she was lying
in the garage.
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Is a direct match
to Agnes.
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00:37:45,364 --> 00:37:48,465
Her DNA is there,
but he's not
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walking around
in her blood every day.
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00:37:50,469 --> 00:37:53,670
Why -- why would there be blood
on the side of his shoe
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After her homicide,
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00:39:51,323 --> 00:39:53,590
He grabbed
the nearest implement
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00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:59,996
and he just beat her
to death with it.
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He is sentenced
to life in prison
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we'll never bring
her back, but, you know,
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He's where he should be.
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00:41:20,612 --> 00:41:23,146
Justice was served, um,
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but mentally, I don't think
it's ever gonna go away.
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I think the worst part was
that we didn't get
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