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[soft piano music plays]
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[upbeat music]
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[distorting TV static]
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- Hey, come on in.
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- [Judith] When you were born,
it was 25 hours of labor.
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When they pulled you out,
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you had the umbilical
cord around your neck.
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- I was born in Boston in 1969.
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A year later, my
parents got married.
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They were both hippies.
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They met up in the
universities up there.
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My father later became a
lawyer for Richard Nixon
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and worked for him
for the next 30 years.
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We're all Democrats.
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That's just how it is in D.C.
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You work for the Republicans
because they have the money.
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- So the doctors took you away,
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put you an an incubator
so I never held you
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until three days later.
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- [Ethan] My mother
was organizer
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and draft evasion counselor
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for SDS, Students for
a Democratic Society.
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- You had these
little turtle eyes
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and you kind of looked
at me like who are you?
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- I'm dyslexic.
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- We went to New York.
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We went with this
group that specialized
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in testing dyslexia and
developing exercises
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that would help you progress.
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They just remembered
sitting in this office
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and they came up with
these silly exercises
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telling you to
crawl on the floor
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and it would be
embarrassing to you.
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Then we'd crawl and
I didn't think we had
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confidence that it was
helping in any way.
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In retrospect, that was not
a particularly good idea.
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Sad business.
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- Your dyslexia has
been one of the most
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formative factors of your life.
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Diagnosed at a very young age
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and the whole way you
interact with the world
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has been through the way your
brain processes information.
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It's cording who you are.
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- I'm not sure where
dyslexia comes from.
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In fact, nobody really knows.
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I suppose if I had to guess,
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it would be from having
the umbilical cord
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wrapped around your
neck when you were born
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and cutting off oxygen.
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[guns firing]
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- When you're a kid and
you're anything different,
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you're ostracized, you're
picked on, called stupid.
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[muffled yelling]
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People in my school
wondering why this seven
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or eight year old kid
was falling asleep
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in all of his classes
and it was mostly because
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every night I would go
home to a screaming match.
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When my parents finally
did get divorced,
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they decided to stay in
the District of Colombia.
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♪ Burden child
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♪ I'll see when I'll smile
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1977 so it was kind of close to
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the end of the Vietnam War.
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Every night when my
father would come home,
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he would turn on
the nightly news
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and there would be images of
war and death and violence.
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Asked my mother what
did it mean to die.
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My mother said, people
have different beliefs.
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Some people believe
you die and then
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you go to heaven or hell.
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Some people believe
when you die,
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you're reincarnated and
I looked into her eyes
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and I was like, well,
what do you believe?
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My mother was everything.
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This was like the center
of knowledge for every kid
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and my mother said,
oh that's it, the end.
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When you die, it's
like a switch going off
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so it's just a
void of blackness.
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And for me at like that age,
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I was like, what the hell?
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I was afraid to go to sleep,
I was afraid to go out.
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I mean, I didn't want
to meet this void
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because I was terrified of it.
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A seven year old kid really
can't comprehend that.
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After that, I went
through this whole period
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of being afraid to go outside.
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I would stay home
and watch movies
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so this is right around
the same time that
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Betamax came out.
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We had one of the early
first Betamax decks.
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I would stay home and watch like
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three or four movies a night
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and I did this for maybe two
years or something like that
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until I finally said,
I can't take it anymore
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and instead of hiding from
things that might hurt me,
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I ran head long into it.
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- [Man] You are now
watching Russian TV.
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This is no way influenced
by the government.
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- Good morning
fellow Russianers.
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Today in the weather,
there will be
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60 percent chance of showers.
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Hell, I can't take anymore,
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[gun firing]
it's hell.
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[laughing]
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- Oh my god.
- You okay?
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[calm music]
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- That is a film from
when I was 14 in 1984.
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My background in film is
that I started making movies
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when I was seven years
old and never stopped.
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I never signed up killing
myself a lot in these videos.
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This is shot on
Betamax before VHS
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and this is me playing
myself in both roles.
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I play the two guys.
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It's upstairs guy
versus downstairs guy.
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Because I'm the only one,
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I have to keep
coming to the camera
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and turning it off by hand.
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I knew exactly the timing
so I could turn it on,
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get in the frame in the position
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and walk towards the
camera and turn it off.
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Not good aiming,
a lot of shooting.
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[laughing]
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This is the big
finale coming up.
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[laughing]
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- [Man] Did you have
a happy childhood?
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- Did I have a what?
[laughing]
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- Turn it on, oh.
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- Film was like a
salvation for me.
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[upbeat music]
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♪ Once upon a time
there was a dream ♪
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♪ Biggest in the world
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♪ You know what I mean
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My grandfather gave me
his old Super 8 camera,
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which was a hand crank
and you had the cartridge
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you had to put into
it and you had to get
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the film developed.
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The first time I
got that film back
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and projected it on a wall,
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it was just splashes of
light and I was hooked.
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♪ Castle by the flame
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♪ She said I'll
show you something ♪
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♪ Like you've never
known before ♪
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Then once camcorders
came into reality,
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I started shooting these videos
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and the videos were
one Betamax tape
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containing three hours
of skits and shorts
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and I would spend
probably about six months
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every day shooting
these little videos.
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In my mind, these were epic
movies that I was making.
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- Hey Bobs, what's
happening, man?
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Hey yeah, it's a really
nice day, isn't it.
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- Yes it is, Bob, yes it is.
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It's a real nice day,
it's just terrific.
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- Yeah, I raped your
girlfriend, you know.
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- What?
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Oh my god, no no no.
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Freeze, asshole.
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- Wait, wait Bob, wait Bob.
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I was only joking, Bob.
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- Doesn't matter,
doesn't matter.
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You're fucked man,
you're really fucked.
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- I was joking, man, I was joke.
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[gun firing]
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[laughing]
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[gentle music]
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[screaming]
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- I went to a private
school for kids
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with learning disabilities
and at a certain point,
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I outgrew the school.
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Then I had to be in
a special ed class.
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We're gonna send you to just
go look at this public school.
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I went into audit the class
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and these were
kids that were like
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severely physically and
mentally handicapped
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and the teacher really
didn't teach so much
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as acted like a nurse,
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made sure they were eating
and using the bathroom
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and all of those things
and the teacher at the end
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was like, look, you
really can't go here.
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Just go anywhere else but
you're not suited for this.
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My mother basically
had tricked me to go to
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a boarding school in Boston.
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- I completely deny that.
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- Every weekend I wanted
to go into the city
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because that's where
the punk rock shows were
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at this place called the Rath.
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I started dying my hair black
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and dressing more punk rock
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and this was a school
with a dress code
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so I had to come back to school
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and then hide everything.
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You know, put it under a
bandana when I had a mohawk
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and all of this.
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Oh. [groaning]
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God, I hate morning.
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Shit.
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Going to school, god damn.
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- We put in a lot of hours.
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I guess that, comes with
being a lawyer in D.C.
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[groaning]
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[screaming]
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- [Woman] Ethan!
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- I became very depressed.
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One night I was
with my girlfriend
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and we had just come
from seeing a show,
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Hayden Hall in Boston
and we were walking back
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to her neighborhood
in Brookline.
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That night I had been
drinking a fair amount
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as I did every time
to get the courage
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to go to these punk rock shows
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and the car was
driving up the street
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and I ran and I dove
in front of the car
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but I was so drunk instead
of going in front of the car
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I actually landed right in
the door and the car stopped.
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The guy was like
opening his door
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and then I got up and
started screaming at him,
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like, you fucking asshole,
why didn't you hit me?
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I started kicking the door and
the driver looked at me like,
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what the fuck?
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This kid's totally
crazy and drove off.
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I was 16 years old.
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After I had an epiphany
and you're gonna die
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so why would I give
the satisfaction
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to the rest of the world
by ending my life early?
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Why wouldn't I just
sit here and try to
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do as much damage
and make as much art,
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put myself out there
as much as I can,
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and after that, it
made me more aggressive
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about pursuing what
I wanna do in life.
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I'm not recommending
it to anybody else,
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but that's what it did for me.
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[upbeat music]
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- You had blond curly hair,
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wholesome looking
teenager and I went to
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the airport to meet you
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and then this creepy
looking kid gets off.
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He's got a Mohawk,
chains around his neck,
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looked like he hadn't
had a bath in weeks,
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and I'm thinking to myself,
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oh, his poor parents.
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Can you imagine having
that kind of kid?
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And all of the sudden I
hear from behind me, hi mom,
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and I turned around and that
creepy looking kid was you.
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My first impulse was
to take my raincoat
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and throw it over your head
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so no one would see you,
but you were my son,
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so I gave you a big hug
and said, welcome home.
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- Film me, I'm gonna
have to hurt you.
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- [Man] Why, it's your camera?
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You should be.
- I don't wanna be filmed.
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- [Woman] Really
think about it hard.
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- A lot of the reason
I got into punk rock
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at such an early age was
because of my parents' divorce.
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My mother moved to
Georgetown in Washington D.C.
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which is a neighborhood
where there was
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a lot more alternative stores,
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there was punk rock
kids hanging out.
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♪ Can't do something
just don't get it ♪
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On M Street, there was a
record store called Smash
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and in there, I would
go ask the clerk,
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what do you think is a
really good record to get
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and then I would run
home and then play it
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over and over again.
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♪ Dead end's best
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♪ Just like the rest
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Part of helping me learn
to become a better writer
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is I would take
the lyrics sheets,
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'cause every punk rock
record has a lyric sheet
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and I would hand copy
out every word for word
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onto a cassette tape
and make mix tapes
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that I would then give
out to my friends.
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♪ Down and everyone here
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♪ Trying to do something
they just don't get ♪
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Prior to punk, everything
was what you can't do.
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If you can't read,
you're inferior.
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Punk rock was that key that said
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none of that matters.
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It was like Occam's razor.
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It leveled the playing field.
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It was a sign on
the door that said
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there are no boundaries.
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You can kick this door in,
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you can walk through this door,
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you can open other doors.
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- Fuck you, man, fuck
you, fuck your family.
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♪ Fuck this town
and everyone in it ♪
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♪ Trying to do something
and they just don't get it ♪
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- Once we became teenagers,
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it was pretty much
us on our own.
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We didn't really see
any adults until later
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in the evening and just
did what we wanted.
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- My house became the place
where everyone hung out
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and everyone was
drinking and having sex
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and doing whatever
and me and my sister
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basically raised ourselves
like feral little animals
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that we are.
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This is a day of a
normal boy's life
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driving through the
suburban neighborhoods.
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And this is my brother.
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[laughing]
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- Go away.
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- One of the very first
creative things I did,
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I started making
silk screen shirts.
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♪ 20 dollars it's all I got
305
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♪ 20 dollars and
it give me a lot ♪
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When I went back
to Washington D.C.,
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I started printing these shirts.
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I just wanted people to see it.
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I wasn't trying to make a profit
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and I didn't realize I
was ripping off the artist
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who designed the flyer
and I didn't realize
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I was ripping off the
band the Bad Brains
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which was also a D.C. band
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and I started selling
these shirts in Smash.
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I had put my name Ethan M on
the bottom of every shirt.
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The owner off Smash
coming up to me,
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going like, look, your
shirts are really great
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but you got to do
me a favor, kid.
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Take your name off
of that because Daryl
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from the Bad Brains has been
coming in looking for you
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00:15:49,776 --> 00:15:51,502
and he is pissed.
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I stopped making
shirts after that
323
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and that's when I
noticed the fanzines.
324
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- [Man] We're here
with Project Nerd.
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- See, this guy's got it.
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Speaking of this guy,
this is Ethan joining us
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for a very special
episode of the Nerd Cast.
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[upbeat music]
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So what is a zine?
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- You have fan, a fan
of something specific,
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and magazine.
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Put the two words
together, fanzines.
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Magazines that are
independently published,
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sometimes Xeroxed, but
the one thing they're not
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is polished.
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I would look at these
zines and go like hey,
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00:16:27,538 --> 00:16:30,920
this is all kind of a mess and
I think I could do this too
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00:16:30,955 --> 00:16:32,232
and I really got into it.
339
00:16:37,686 --> 00:16:38,963
- It's a passion project.
340
00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:41,276
Nobody makes money, it's
just artists who want
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people to see their artwork.
342
00:16:42,829 --> 00:16:46,039
- How many of you
were born before 1988,
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00:16:46,074 --> 00:16:47,040
anybody in here?
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00:16:47,075 --> 00:16:49,008
Okay, this is me in high school.
345
00:16:49,042 --> 00:16:51,769
My fanzine developed from
a music centered zine
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00:16:51,803 --> 00:16:54,220
to something that was
more focused on the arts.
347
00:16:57,947 --> 00:17:02,952
♪ Let's go get lost somewhere
348
00:17:04,092 --> 00:17:07,509
♪ Where only love
is in the air ♪
349
00:17:07,543 --> 00:17:09,097
People started recognizing me.
350
00:17:09,131 --> 00:17:11,616
It gave me confidence
to keep trying
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00:17:11,651 --> 00:17:13,584
to pursue something
creative because
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00:17:13,618 --> 00:17:16,621
it was the first time
that not only was I
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00:17:16,656 --> 00:17:19,107
able to express myself,
but I felt like I was
354
00:17:19,141 --> 00:17:21,247
affecting the
community at large.
355
00:17:22,662 --> 00:17:25,354
- If he was a boss, I would
find this very difficult
356
00:17:25,389 --> 00:17:27,805
but since we were friends
before we did this,
357
00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:29,772
we can both call each
other on our shit
358
00:17:31,429 --> 00:17:33,259
and that's how we
talk to each other.
359
00:17:36,538 --> 00:17:38,712
- I've never read
a single fanzine.
360
00:17:38,747 --> 00:17:41,543
I've distributed [laughing]
them at coffee shops everywhere,
361
00:17:41,577 --> 00:17:43,165
but I've been in them.
362
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,064
I don't think I've
ever really read it.
363
00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:47,100
- Slightly irritated at the way
364
00:17:47,135 --> 00:17:48,826
people sometimes misuse words
365
00:17:48,860 --> 00:17:51,000
or they won't use the
proper form of a word
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00:17:51,035 --> 00:17:53,348
and so maybe part of the reason
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00:17:53,382 --> 00:17:55,729
that I helped
selfishly is because
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00:17:55,764 --> 00:17:58,180
it reduces irritation
when I read these stories
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00:17:58,215 --> 00:17:59,423
that I wanna read.
370
00:17:59,457 --> 00:18:01,114
- He handed me a zine,
and I think that was
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00:18:01,149 --> 00:18:03,496
his way of hitting me
and now we're married.
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00:18:06,154 --> 00:18:07,741
Bye!
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00:18:07,776 --> 00:18:11,262
- For me personally, my
parents are both workaholics.
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00:18:11,297 --> 00:18:15,024
My father would sit at
the office every night
375
00:18:15,059 --> 00:18:17,130
'till about 9 or 10
o'clock at night,
376
00:18:17,165 --> 00:18:20,029
so that meant after school
I was taken to his office
377
00:18:20,064 --> 00:18:22,066
and would be put into
a conference room.
378
00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:24,137
In that, they would
bring me a pad of paper.
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00:18:24,172 --> 00:18:26,174
They would bring me
pencils, staplers,
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00:18:26,208 --> 00:18:28,107
you know, stuff in the office
381
00:18:28,141 --> 00:18:30,005
and I would make artwork.
382
00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:32,249
I would put them
into little books.
383
00:18:32,283 --> 00:18:34,320
I would go over to
the copy machine,
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00:18:34,354 --> 00:18:37,150
I would make copies
and make multiples.
385
00:18:37,185 --> 00:18:40,188
At age seven, I was
technically making zines.
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00:18:40,222 --> 00:18:42,397
I'd bring them into school and
on the school bus or whatever
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00:18:42,431 --> 00:18:44,295
I'd give them out to my friends.
388
00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:46,884
- Every issue has a
different artist on the cover
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00:18:46,918 --> 00:18:48,713
and has their bio on the back.
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00:18:51,337 --> 00:18:52,786
It inspired me to
do my own zine.
391
00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:56,997
- You're gonna go through
the art world and community
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realizing that every time
you try to do something,
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00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,933
there is somebody in between you
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00:19:01,968 --> 00:19:04,315
and getting to success.
395
00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:06,869
There is going to
be art directors,
396
00:19:06,904 --> 00:19:08,216
there's gonna be curators.
397
00:19:08,250 --> 00:19:11,150
The fanzine side
steps all of that,
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00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:12,737
just like your portfolio
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00:19:12,772 --> 00:19:15,257
and then you can leave
that anywhere in the world.
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00:19:16,258 --> 00:19:18,985
[upbeat music]
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00:19:19,019 --> 00:19:20,814
The good thing about
doing a fanzine
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00:19:20,849 --> 00:19:22,161
opposed to doing a blog,
403
00:19:23,610 --> 00:19:25,094
accessing people you would
never have contact with
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00:19:25,129 --> 00:19:27,200
a lot of times happens
through a fanzine.
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00:19:27,235 --> 00:19:29,029
We leave it on the
seat of a train,
406
00:19:29,064 --> 00:19:30,203
we leave them in banks,
407
00:19:30,238 --> 00:19:31,722
we leave them in coffee shops.
408
00:19:31,756 --> 00:19:33,965
By leaving it in
a random location,
409
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,313
somebody who picks that up who
knows nobody in your circle
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00:19:36,347 --> 00:19:39,764
is not interjected into what
you're doing automatically
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00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:42,319
and that's a really
powerful thing.
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00:19:45,322 --> 00:19:48,635
- Every issue of the zine we've
got one artist of the issue
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00:19:48,670 --> 00:19:50,913
that we award that title to.
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00:19:50,948 --> 00:19:52,881
It's that person
that gets the cover.
415
00:19:52,915 --> 00:19:55,780
- I did this cover
photo for the zine.
416
00:19:55,815 --> 00:19:58,162
That zine sat in front
of the right person
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00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:02,097
who then hired me and then
it was like a chain effect.
418
00:20:02,131 --> 00:20:07,136
It led to me photographing
for several magazines.
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00:20:08,517 --> 00:20:10,312
Wow, damn, things just
changed right after that.
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00:20:11,348 --> 00:20:12,935
- What's your best zine story?
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00:20:12,970 --> 00:20:15,248
- There was Faction Five
and Maximum Rock and Roll
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00:20:15,283 --> 00:20:17,871
and all of these zines
that used to review zines
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00:20:17,906 --> 00:20:19,977
and I would put
free for prisoners
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00:20:20,011 --> 00:20:21,185
so I would mail it.
425
00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:22,842
I'd have to from
the publisher's meet
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00:20:22,876 --> 00:20:24,740
because that's the only way
427
00:20:24,775 --> 00:20:26,155
a lot of the zines would
get into the prison system
428
00:20:26,190 --> 00:20:28,192
would get letters from
prisoners all over the world.
429
00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:30,090
I started receiving letters
from a gentleman named
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00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:33,956
John Wayne Gacy, notably
known as a serial killer
431
00:20:33,991 --> 00:20:38,340
who killed I think 32 people,
buried them under his house.
432
00:20:38,375 --> 00:20:40,963
[upbeat music]
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00:20:43,345 --> 00:20:45,382
My roommates at that
point were like, hey,
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00:20:45,416 --> 00:20:49,006
do you mind never putting
our address on the zine
435
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,112
because we have serial
killers writing you letters.
436
00:20:53,631 --> 00:20:57,635
♪ I would blame
you so much more ♪
437
00:20:57,670 --> 00:21:01,605
I've hand stapled, I
don't know, 100,000 zines.
438
00:21:01,639 --> 00:21:03,986
I've gone through staplers,
like had to buy new ones
439
00:21:04,021 --> 00:21:05,367
'cause I've worn them out.
440
00:21:07,335 --> 00:21:09,337
I got into writing,
I got into doing art,
441
00:21:09,371 --> 00:21:13,272
I got into everything flowed
from doing these fanzines
442
00:21:13,306 --> 00:21:16,792
because if you feel like
you are lonely and isolated,
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00:21:16,827 --> 00:21:19,278
it's a great way to
bring you out of that
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00:21:19,312 --> 00:21:21,245
and connect with others.
445
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,040
The fanzine helped
out a lot of people
446
00:21:23,074 --> 00:21:25,284
but for me personally,
I think it took me
447
00:21:25,318 --> 00:21:26,802
as far as I could go.
448
00:21:26,837 --> 00:21:28,563
I'll always make the fanzine,
449
00:21:28,597 --> 00:21:33,499
but at a certain point, I
wanted to do something bigger.
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00:21:33,533 --> 00:21:36,985
I wanna reach a large
number of people
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00:21:37,019 --> 00:21:40,437
and affect change
in a greater sense.
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00:21:40,471 --> 00:21:44,924
At this point, I was willing
to try everything and anything.
453
00:21:44,958 --> 00:21:47,340
- [Man] For the
man in the family.
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00:21:47,375 --> 00:21:49,515
[farting]
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00:21:51,068 --> 00:21:52,483
[coughing]
456
00:21:52,518 --> 00:21:56,694
- See, so apply old fart
for that man in your family.
457
00:21:59,835 --> 00:22:01,872
- Got a call in the middle
of the night from you
458
00:22:01,906 --> 00:22:03,701
and you were in a panic.
459
00:22:03,736 --> 00:22:06,463
You told me you had
just attacked somebody
460
00:22:06,497 --> 00:22:07,429
with a machete.
461
00:22:07,464 --> 00:22:08,810
- We had a show in Rhode Island
462
00:22:08,844 --> 00:22:11,019
and I had a pin on my shirt.
463
00:22:11,053 --> 00:22:12,607
I was very excited
about the show.
464
00:22:12,641 --> 00:22:16,127
I jumped on Ethan's back
and accidentally stabbed him
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00:22:16,162 --> 00:22:18,682
with my pin which must
have been pretty painful.
466
00:22:18,716 --> 00:22:20,580
Next thing I know,
I'm kind of just being
467
00:22:20,615 --> 00:22:23,100
suspended off the ground
in a choke hold from Ethan
468
00:22:23,134 --> 00:22:25,171
and he's, don't ever
stab me again, what the.
469
00:22:25,205 --> 00:22:27,794
After like two
seconds, he realized
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00:22:27,829 --> 00:22:29,313
that I didn't mean to do it
471
00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:33,662
and he was the look of sheer
fear of my own life [laughing]
472
00:22:33,697 --> 00:22:35,112
and he let me go.
473
00:22:35,146 --> 00:22:38,702
- My first question was,
well, were they dead or alive
474
00:22:38,736 --> 00:22:39,530
and you said alive.
475
00:22:39,565 --> 00:22:41,014
Said, okay good.
476
00:22:41,049 --> 00:22:42,706
And then you described that
you were having a party
477
00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:46,192
and there was a, I guess
a drunk football player
478
00:22:46,226 --> 00:22:49,402
from Colombia who was
being very obnoxious
479
00:22:49,437 --> 00:22:51,231
and so you threw him out.
480
00:22:51,266 --> 00:22:53,855
He came back with buddies
and at that point,
481
00:22:53,889 --> 00:22:57,445
you took out the old
machete that I gave you
482
00:22:57,479 --> 00:22:58,377
when you were 10.
483
00:22:58,411 --> 00:23:00,068
- Basically mugged him.
484
00:23:00,102 --> 00:23:01,932
Went to get his wallet but
couldn't get it back easily
485
00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:04,106
so ended up just taking the
kids pants off completely
486
00:23:04,141 --> 00:23:06,108
and then took the
wallet [laughing]
487
00:23:06,143 --> 00:23:08,421
and told the kid that
when he came back
488
00:23:08,456 --> 00:23:09,422
with the money that he owed us,
489
00:23:09,457 --> 00:23:10,975
he could have his wallet back.
490
00:23:11,010 --> 00:23:13,081
But he was too humiliated to
ever come back in the bar.
491
00:23:13,115 --> 00:23:16,084
- Chopped his arm, not
off, but cut him up.
492
00:23:16,118 --> 00:23:17,534
Bleeding, he fled.
493
00:23:17,568 --> 00:23:20,122
You called me as not your
mother, as your lawyer
494
00:23:20,157 --> 00:23:21,814
and asked what you should do.
495
00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:24,023
I said, okay, if he's
alive, call the police.
496
00:23:24,057 --> 00:23:27,095
Report a home invasion
and when the police come,
497
00:23:27,129 --> 00:23:28,545
explain what happened.
498
00:23:28,579 --> 00:23:30,547
Whoever gets to
the police first,
499
00:23:30,581 --> 00:23:32,100
the police is gonna believe.
500
00:23:32,134 --> 00:23:35,828
- One day, two detectives came
to the door looking for him.
501
00:23:35,862 --> 00:23:38,071
Apparently he busted
some kids tooth.
502
00:23:38,106 --> 00:23:39,935
They went to the bar
and arrested him.
503
00:23:39,970 --> 00:23:42,006
- Do I think you're a tough guy?
504
00:23:42,041 --> 00:23:43,767
No, you're a marshmallow.
505
00:23:43,801 --> 00:23:45,320
- Later on, you called me back,
506
00:23:45,354 --> 00:23:46,804
and I said, well, how'd it go?
507
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:48,875
And you said, they wrote
it down as a home invasion
508
00:23:48,910 --> 00:23:50,670
and then you said as a
young cop was leaving
509
00:23:50,705 --> 00:23:53,708
he turned around and he
said, did you get him good?
510
00:23:53,742 --> 00:23:55,399
And he said, yeah.
511
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,471
- I was two blocks away
when Ronald Reagan got shot.
512
00:23:58,506 --> 00:24:00,473
I was three blocks
away when a guy
513
00:24:00,508 --> 00:24:02,751
tried to blow up the
Washington monument.
514
00:24:03,959 --> 00:24:07,031
I lived in this world
where I always thought
515
00:24:07,066 --> 00:24:09,344
at any moment I could
get blown up or killed
516
00:24:09,378 --> 00:24:12,727
by some nut bag or
some foreign power.
517
00:24:12,761 --> 00:24:15,143
I got into a lot of violence.
518
00:24:15,177 --> 00:24:17,386
Got in fights, got arrested.
519
00:24:17,421 --> 00:24:20,182
I had a reputation as being
someone who was violent
520
00:24:20,217 --> 00:24:22,840
and in the high
schools and I remember
521
00:24:22,875 --> 00:24:25,498
there were a lot of people
who were afraid of me.
522
00:24:27,051 --> 00:24:29,640
[gentle music]
523
00:24:30,814 --> 00:24:32,919
But I came to this
realization that
524
00:24:32,954 --> 00:24:36,509
all of that posturing
was related to
525
00:24:36,544 --> 00:24:40,582
this fear, this deep seated
fear of getting physically hurt
526
00:24:40,617 --> 00:24:43,412
or dying and then I started
looking at all of these
527
00:24:43,447 --> 00:24:46,139
other tough guys around and
I started realizing that
528
00:24:46,174 --> 00:24:49,280
wait a minute, all these
guys that are really tough
529
00:24:49,315 --> 00:24:51,766
are actually
completely terrified.
530
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,284
I know they're just like me.
531
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,183
They're frightened little
boys who were afraid of
532
00:24:55,217 --> 00:24:56,425
the big black void.
533
00:24:58,566 --> 00:25:00,050
- [Man] Ethan.
534
00:25:00,084 --> 00:25:01,258
- Hey bud.
535
00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:02,742
Is it on?
536
00:25:02,777 --> 00:25:04,330
Turn it off 'cause we're
gonna get a fire extinguisher.
537
00:25:04,364 --> 00:25:06,574
- [Man] Okay, say
your last words.
538
00:25:06,608 --> 00:25:08,230
- [Woman] Look, there's
cars behind you.
539
00:25:08,265 --> 00:25:09,473
- [Man] Bye.
540
00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:12,718
- The violence in D.C.
sort of had rules to it.
541
00:25:12,752 --> 00:25:14,271
You'd be put in
violent situations
542
00:25:14,305 --> 00:25:16,100
but you weren't doing drugs
543
00:25:16,135 --> 00:25:18,344
or you weren't
in-confrontational
544
00:25:18,378 --> 00:25:22,659
that the rules sort of applied
that you wouldn't get hurt.
545
00:25:22,693 --> 00:25:25,178
very time you stepped
across that line,
546
00:25:25,213 --> 00:25:27,284
then you would be in a
world of extreme danger.
547
00:25:27,318 --> 00:25:29,631
I know people who
were shot and killed.
548
00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:31,115
- The thing about
the punk rock scene
549
00:25:31,150 --> 00:25:35,672
during the time period was a
collision also of crack cocaine
550
00:25:35,706 --> 00:25:39,399
hitting the city and
violence escalated.
551
00:25:41,056 --> 00:25:43,611
[gentle music]
552
00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:51,619
I had one friend and
somebody went to his house
553
00:25:51,653 --> 00:25:53,586
and he let the person in
554
00:25:53,621 --> 00:25:56,831
and the person shot him
six times and executed him.
555
00:25:56,865 --> 00:26:01,870
The killer then calmly closed
the door behind him and left.
556
00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:07,117
A girl who was my
friend's older sister,
557
00:26:07,151 --> 00:26:10,879
she was gang raped and strangled
558
00:26:10,914 --> 00:26:13,088
and left on the side of a road
559
00:26:13,123 --> 00:26:16,851
and it was her aunt
that found her car
560
00:26:16,885 --> 00:26:18,438
and then found her body.
561
00:26:23,443 --> 00:26:26,377
Christina, she was an older
punk girl from the scene.
562
00:26:26,412 --> 00:26:27,758
She was known to
be pretty tough.
563
00:26:27,793 --> 00:26:29,657
She carried brass
knuckles around with her.
564
00:26:29,691 --> 00:26:32,314
She went to Boston and then
started dating this guy
565
00:26:32,349 --> 00:26:34,662
who she broke up with.
566
00:26:34,696 --> 00:26:37,665
He went and executed her
and then killed himself.
567
00:26:37,699 --> 00:26:40,184
Rob, I ran into him
in New York and then
568
00:26:40,219 --> 00:26:43,291
three hours later, he had
shot six bags of heroin
569
00:26:43,325 --> 00:26:44,223
and overdosed.
570
00:26:46,397 --> 00:26:48,779
My friend Matt, almost
like my brother,
571
00:26:48,814 --> 00:26:50,194
him and his wife were separating
572
00:26:50,229 --> 00:26:53,439
and the wife got a gun
and walked into his work
573
00:26:53,473 --> 00:26:55,441
and shot him like six times,
574
00:26:55,475 --> 00:26:59,238
leaving his daughter
without a dad.
575
00:26:59,272 --> 00:27:00,549
- Your friends death.
576
00:27:00,584 --> 00:27:02,413
I remember I put
my arm around you
577
00:27:02,448 --> 00:27:05,175
and sitting down and
talking with you about
578
00:27:05,209 --> 00:27:07,867
because you were terribly upset.
579
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:17,083
- I've had probably
a dozen friends die.
580
00:27:17,118 --> 00:27:18,533
The violence and the bad things
581
00:27:18,567 --> 00:27:21,916
that have happened in my life
is one of the major things
582
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:24,608
I use to push me to
do something creative
583
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:27,231
because when you get
into those dark moments,
584
00:27:27,266 --> 00:27:28,577
you have choice.
585
00:27:28,612 --> 00:27:31,684
You can go and be
more destructive.
586
00:27:31,719 --> 00:27:34,238
You can sink into a dark hole,
587
00:27:34,273 --> 00:27:37,517
or you can use that as
something that allows you
588
00:27:37,552 --> 00:27:39,692
to do something to
better yourself.
589
00:27:39,727 --> 00:27:42,384
To make art was a way to cope.
590
00:27:43,592 --> 00:27:45,974
There was no reason to
have a fear of failure
591
00:27:46,009 --> 00:27:48,252
because I knew I'd be dead soon.
592
00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:00,886
I was contemplating my options.
593
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,440
I had the choice of
either going to art school
594
00:28:03,474 --> 00:28:05,304
or staying at home.
595
00:28:05,338 --> 00:28:07,755
If I had stayed home,
I'd probably be dead now.
596
00:28:08,652 --> 00:28:12,207
- We are destination downtown
597
00:28:12,242 --> 00:28:16,556
and we're documenting the
stories of these amazing people.
598
00:28:16,591 --> 00:28:21,009
Located to the Lower East
Side from Washington D.C.
599
00:28:21,044 --> 00:28:23,494
and he is an artist
and a film maker,
600
00:28:23,529 --> 00:28:26,394
one of the founders of
the Antagonist Movement.
601
00:28:26,428 --> 00:28:29,362
[applauding]
602
00:28:29,397 --> 00:28:31,192
- But the concept of
coming to New York
603
00:28:31,226 --> 00:28:32,607
and knowing a couple of things
604
00:28:32,641 --> 00:28:33,712
and one was like The Warriors,
605
00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:35,127
the movie The Warriors,
so I was like,
606
00:28:35,161 --> 00:28:37,301
I'm gonna come, I'm gonna
have to join a gang.
607
00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:39,372
I'm gonna be knife
fighting with everybody
608
00:28:39,407 --> 00:28:41,443
and then the other
part is my family,
609
00:28:41,478 --> 00:28:43,204
we live, we have
relatives in Rhode Island
610
00:28:43,238 --> 00:28:46,517
so we'd take the train
from D.C. to Rhode Island
611
00:28:46,552 --> 00:28:48,140
and in that passage,
612
00:28:48,174 --> 00:28:51,522
all you would see is the
very worst parts of New York
613
00:28:51,557 --> 00:28:53,317
like just rubble and
burnt down buildings
614
00:28:53,352 --> 00:28:54,802
and all of this
stuff and I was like,
615
00:28:54,836 --> 00:28:56,976
my god, New York
City is a wasteland.
616
00:28:57,011 --> 00:28:59,116
I knew a lot of
the local gang kids
617
00:28:59,151 --> 00:29:00,911
that were much tougher than me
618
00:29:00,946 --> 00:29:03,258
so the very first
week I was there,
619
00:29:03,293 --> 00:29:05,709
I saw this kid walking
our of Mona's Bar
620
00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:08,781
and crossing the
projects on 11th Street
621
00:29:08,816 --> 00:29:11,128
and just kids from
those projects
622
00:29:11,163 --> 00:29:13,890
throwing 40 ounce bottles
at him and him running away
623
00:29:13,924 --> 00:29:15,098
and me going like, oh my god.
624
00:29:15,132 --> 00:29:16,893
This guy is covered in tattoos,
625
00:29:16,927 --> 00:29:19,343
he's way tougher than me,
local Puerto Rican kid,
626
00:29:19,378 --> 00:29:21,656
there's no chance
I'm gonna make it.
627
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:24,659
Two days later, I was
walking out of my building
628
00:29:24,693 --> 00:29:26,040
and another friend of
mine that I had known
629
00:29:26,074 --> 00:29:28,905
from the punk scene
drove up in his car
630
00:29:28,939 --> 00:29:30,182
and he's like, oh you
know, how you doing?
631
00:29:30,216 --> 00:29:31,700
Blah blah blah and
I'm like I'm good
632
00:29:31,735 --> 00:29:33,979
but I'm a little nervous
about the neighborhood,
633
00:29:34,013 --> 00:29:36,360
like am I gonna get
murdered in my sleep here?
634
00:29:36,395 --> 00:29:38,466
And he's like, no, no one's
ever gonna bother you here
635
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:39,985
and I go, why's that?
636
00:29:40,019 --> 00:29:42,435
He goes, well I happen to
be in this time period,
637
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:44,886
you're pretty much like
the only white guy here
638
00:29:44,921 --> 00:29:47,820
and I'm a parole officer
639
00:29:47,855 --> 00:29:50,167
and I'm all of these
guys' parole officer,
640
00:29:50,202 --> 00:29:51,341
so look at the corner.
641
00:29:51,375 --> 00:29:52,825
And like all the kids
were watching us.
642
00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,103
And they're like, yeah,
they think you're a cop now.
643
00:29:55,138 --> 00:29:56,173
[laughing]
And I was like,
644
00:29:56,208 --> 00:29:57,036
oh okay, great.
645
00:29:58,555 --> 00:30:02,317
After that meant not only
did I ever have a problem.
646
00:30:02,352 --> 00:30:05,320
None of those kids
ever talked to me ever.
647
00:30:05,355 --> 00:30:08,427
I came from a place
where violence and death
648
00:30:08,461 --> 00:30:10,153
was something that was normal.
649
00:30:10,187 --> 00:30:12,465
Still to this day when I
walk into a restaurant,
650
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:14,295
I have to have my
back to the wall
651
00:30:14,329 --> 00:30:16,607
and my eye on the door
because I don't want somebody
652
00:30:16,642 --> 00:30:18,161
sneaking up behind me.
653
00:30:18,195 --> 00:30:20,957
That carries over to
what I do creatively.
654
00:30:20,991 --> 00:30:25,824
I have anger and
violence that simmers
655
00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:28,240
just below the surface.
656
00:30:28,274 --> 00:30:31,519
A little bit dangerous,
a little bit rebellious
657
00:30:31,553 --> 00:30:35,247
and maybe a little bit criminal.
658
00:30:37,249 --> 00:30:40,735
- When you were about, must
have been seven or eight,
659
00:30:40,769 --> 00:30:44,739
we took you to a
psychiatrist who wanted
660
00:30:44,773 --> 00:30:47,880
to put you on Ritalin
because the psychiatrist said
661
00:30:47,915 --> 00:30:49,709
that you were hyperactive,
662
00:30:49,744 --> 00:30:50,987
which I completely disagreed.
663
00:30:51,021 --> 00:30:53,196
If you were interested
in something,
664
00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:57,959
you would sit there for
hours and work on it.
665
00:30:57,994 --> 00:31:02,377
So I told the psychiatrist
that I absolutely refused
666
00:31:02,412 --> 00:31:06,243
and she kind of
went into a god like
667
00:31:06,278 --> 00:31:09,488
how dare you disagree with me,
668
00:31:09,522 --> 00:31:13,388
you're a bad parent,
this is like child abuse.
669
00:31:13,423 --> 00:31:15,701
I said, well, that's
the way it is.
670
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:18,497
This child is not
gonna be on drugs
671
00:31:18,531 --> 00:31:20,154
and that's the end of it.
672
00:31:20,188 --> 00:31:22,915
- Say no to drugs and
that is probably because
673
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:25,021
I don't drink or use drugs.
674
00:31:25,055 --> 00:31:29,232
- Your dyslexia which
I think is more severe
675
00:31:29,266 --> 00:31:30,889
than people realize
676
00:31:32,028 --> 00:31:36,998
in unmanageable on
alcohol or drugs
677
00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:40,795
and I think you like
to be in control.
678
00:31:41,934 --> 00:31:45,041
- In order to be the
best version of himself,
679
00:31:45,075 --> 00:31:47,940
I think Ethan's got to stay
sober for the most part.
680
00:31:49,148 --> 00:31:51,116
- It was 1990 in New
York and I started
681
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:54,291
working in the bars and that's
when the big change happened.
682
00:31:54,326 --> 00:31:56,880
There was one night
I was bartending
683
00:31:56,915 --> 00:32:00,401
and in front of me was an
actor who wasn't acting,
684
00:32:00,435 --> 00:32:02,092
a musician who didn't
play any music,
685
00:32:02,127 --> 00:32:03,611
a painter who didn't paint,
686
00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:05,026
and a writer who didn't write
687
00:32:06,234 --> 00:32:09,099
and these were people
I saw day after day,
688
00:32:09,134 --> 00:32:10,480
week after week.
689
00:32:10,514 --> 00:32:12,344
They were there
'till the bar closed.
690
00:32:12,378 --> 00:32:14,346
They stayed there
after hours with me.
691
00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:16,106
The one thing they
have in common is that
692
00:32:16,141 --> 00:32:19,213
they're here in the bar
drinking all night every night.
693
00:32:19,247 --> 00:32:23,251
You have to be willing
to give up something.
694
00:32:23,286 --> 00:32:24,943
- There was a
point in time where
695
00:32:24,977 --> 00:32:27,669
a lot of people that we
knew were doing drugs,
696
00:32:27,704 --> 00:32:30,327
specifically like a lot
of people got into heroin.
697
00:32:30,362 --> 00:32:31,604
Few of those people died.
698
00:32:31,639 --> 00:32:34,297
Ethan's reaction to
that was super worried
699
00:32:34,331 --> 00:32:37,645
and did whatever he could
to convince those people
700
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:39,716
that they should stop doing it.
701
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:42,201
I'll kick your ass,
I'll steal your drugs,
702
00:32:42,236 --> 00:32:43,892
I'll call your
parents, et cetera.
703
00:32:43,927 --> 00:32:46,102
- The stories you hear of
artists having addictions
704
00:32:46,136 --> 00:32:48,828
and those addictions
actually helping their art,
705
00:32:48,863 --> 00:32:50,313
a fallacy.
706
00:32:50,347 --> 00:32:54,144
The reality is most people are
hobbled by their addictions.
707
00:32:54,179 --> 00:32:56,388
I just wasn't
willing to risk that.
708
00:32:56,422 --> 00:32:58,010
- Not everybody
died, so I guess it,
709
00:32:58,045 --> 00:33:01,013
maybe it worked
with some of them.
710
00:33:01,048 --> 00:33:03,636
[upbeat music]
711
00:33:08,469 --> 00:33:11,817
- I remember being in a
hotel with Ethan in Nashville
712
00:33:11,851 --> 00:33:13,681
and watching MTV and
all of the sudden
713
00:33:13,715 --> 00:33:16,097
there was this video that
I had written music for
714
00:33:16,132 --> 00:33:19,238
and Ethan had directed
and it was so exciting.
715
00:33:19,273 --> 00:33:22,069
I remember sort of jumping
around in a hotel room.
716
00:33:22,103 --> 00:33:25,175
[applauding]
717
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:27,177
- [Ethan] Thank you
for watching the film.
718
00:33:27,212 --> 00:33:28,523
I'm gonna say I'm recording now
719
00:33:28,558 --> 00:33:30,456
so you kind of get this thing
720
00:33:30,491 --> 00:33:32,148
that I record
everything in my life.
721
00:33:32,182 --> 00:33:35,634
- There was always like a
strange Hitchcock almost cameo
722
00:33:35,668 --> 00:33:38,671
where Ethan shows
up mostly semi nude.
723
00:33:38,706 --> 00:33:41,778
He's usually washing some part
of his anatomy or the other.
724
00:33:41,812 --> 00:33:45,230
- It's unfair because
he always ambushes you.
725
00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:49,958
I have to film this thing by
this date tomorrow morning
726
00:33:49,993 --> 00:33:53,065
at 7 a.m. I will film you.
727
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,653
You will be filmed by me.
728
00:33:54,687 --> 00:33:56,724
I am Ethan Ethan
Minsker. [laughing]
729
00:33:56,758 --> 00:33:58,139
- [Ethan] But now you're
in a bunch of films.
730
00:33:58,174 --> 00:34:01,246
Let's talk about
that, the films.
731
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,799
- It's weird.
732
00:34:02,833 --> 00:34:05,112
He kind of brands it Ethan
and then the artist Ethan.
733
00:34:05,146 --> 00:34:07,631
He puts himself a
lot into movies.
734
00:34:07,666 --> 00:34:09,047
I don't think it's bad.
735
00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:10,979
There was nobody else
doing it at the time.
736
00:34:11,014 --> 00:34:12,636
He was the only
one that showed up
737
00:34:12,671 --> 00:34:14,431
with his camera every week
and would edit it religiously
738
00:34:14,466 --> 00:34:19,057
and most people would have
given up after the first flop.
739
00:34:19,988 --> 00:34:22,577
[upbeat music]
740
00:34:28,963 --> 00:34:30,758
- [Man] On tonight's
program, we're first showing
741
00:34:30,792 --> 00:34:32,104
a film by Ethan Minsker.
742
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:34,210
- We're here down on
the Lower East Side.
743
00:34:34,244 --> 00:34:37,420
- I'm taking myself very
seriously as a collector.
744
00:34:37,454 --> 00:34:39,732
- I went to New York
and went to art school
745
00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,527
and then switched to film.
746
00:34:41,562 --> 00:34:45,531
I made a documentary
called Anything Boys Can Do
747
00:34:45,566 --> 00:34:49,328
which covered the women
bands on the Lower East Side
748
00:34:49,363 --> 00:34:52,573
between 92 and 94.
749
00:34:55,162 --> 00:35:00,098
- When I first saw Anything
Boys Can Do, I was blown away
750
00:35:00,132 --> 00:35:04,205
that a film made in
the 90s and a film that
751
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:07,001
showcased rampant sexism
in the music industry
752
00:35:07,035 --> 00:35:08,761
could still be so
relevant today.
753
00:35:10,142 --> 00:35:12,558
- It played in over 50
festivals around the world.
754
00:35:12,593 --> 00:35:16,631
It was my first time of
having any taste of success.
755
00:35:17,494 --> 00:35:20,118
[upbeat music]
756
00:35:23,914 --> 00:35:27,573
- Ethan's films aren't about
stories that are contrived
757
00:35:27,608 --> 00:35:29,541
or follow some mold.
758
00:35:29,575 --> 00:35:32,164
I mean, they're, all of his
films are very personal.
759
00:35:33,372 --> 00:35:36,582
♪ Any fool can tell
what's happening ♪
760
00:35:36,617 --> 00:35:38,722
♪ When you're caught
without your friends ♪
761
00:35:38,757 --> 00:35:41,449
He is going to make
something with the community
762
00:35:41,484 --> 00:35:42,899
that he's built.
763
00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:45,281
It's going to be about
building spiritual currency
764
00:35:45,315 --> 00:35:49,077
and raising other people
up and creating art.
765
00:35:49,112 --> 00:35:51,770
- All these movies have
the same cast of characters
766
00:35:51,804 --> 00:35:55,083
so for the past 16 years,
I'm in whatever it is,
767
00:35:55,118 --> 00:35:56,257
five, six films.
768
00:36:00,882 --> 00:36:02,090
- The things that
I talk about today,
769
00:36:02,125 --> 00:36:03,506
I'm not necessarily
saying that you should
770
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:06,888
follow what I'm doing because
what we have done before
771
00:36:06,923 --> 00:36:09,788
could possibly land
you in jail or prison.
772
00:36:09,822 --> 00:36:11,652
There are local gang
members in this,
773
00:36:11,686 --> 00:36:14,551
so we pretty much use
our whole community.
774
00:36:14,586 --> 00:36:16,001
Once we started making the film,
775
00:36:16,035 --> 00:36:17,692
we had people coming
up to us saying like,
776
00:36:17,727 --> 00:36:20,385
I hear you're making a
film, I wanna be in it.
777
00:36:21,558 --> 00:36:22,456
[laughing]
I'm like, all right.
778
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:23,388
Some of these guys were like,
779
00:36:23,422 --> 00:36:25,010
we got to put them in the film.
780
00:36:25,044 --> 00:36:26,563
We can't cut them out.
781
00:36:26,598 --> 00:36:28,047
[laughing]
782
00:36:28,082 --> 00:36:30,809
Using guns in New York
City in this time period
783
00:36:30,843 --> 00:36:33,984
and still today you
have to have a permit
784
00:36:34,019 --> 00:36:36,539
to be able to rent a
prop gun from the store.
785
00:36:37,712 --> 00:36:38,748
The permit means you
have to have insurance
786
00:36:38,782 --> 00:36:40,715
and insurance is $2,000.
787
00:36:40,750 --> 00:36:43,477
This budget of the
entire film is $2,000.
788
00:36:43,511 --> 00:36:48,516
That money went to
drugs and a limo rental.
789
00:36:49,897 --> 00:36:51,485
That said, I had provenance
from when I was a kid.
790
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:54,453
The criminal element that
I kind of mentioned before,
791
00:36:54,488 --> 00:36:56,559
we show up and be like, well,
792
00:36:56,593 --> 00:36:57,525
I've got this sawed off shotgun.
793
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,009
Why don't we use that?
794
00:36:59,044 --> 00:37:01,253
And I'm like, all right, well
now we're using real guns
795
00:37:01,288 --> 00:37:03,945
in the streets of New York.
796
00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:05,361
Two weeks before that,
797
00:37:05,395 --> 00:37:08,950
a gentleman was shot and
killed pulling his wallet out
798
00:37:08,985 --> 00:37:11,367
in front of the police,
so the whole neighborhood
799
00:37:11,401 --> 00:37:13,334
downtown was on edge.
800
00:37:13,369 --> 00:37:16,993
We literally had people
standing on corners going, cops!
801
00:37:17,027 --> 00:37:18,512
And then we would break up.
802
00:37:19,444 --> 00:37:20,928
Everyone put the equipment away.
803
00:37:20,962 --> 00:37:21,963
The criminal with the gun
would then take the bag
804
00:37:21,998 --> 00:37:23,379
and go another direction.
805
00:37:23,413 --> 00:37:24,725
It was just like we
were dealing drugs
806
00:37:24,759 --> 00:37:26,485
but were dealing art.
807
00:37:27,624 --> 00:37:31,628
It was filmed in
one scene two weeks
808
00:37:31,663 --> 00:37:33,181
before September 11 happened,
809
00:37:33,216 --> 00:37:35,287
two blocks away from
the Twin Towers.
810
00:37:35,322 --> 00:37:37,841
The neighborhood shut
down below 14th Street
811
00:37:37,876 --> 00:37:39,291
for three months.
812
00:37:39,326 --> 00:37:40,879
We still kept shooting.
813
00:37:40,913 --> 00:37:42,708
We kind of agreed to it.
814
00:37:42,743 --> 00:37:44,779
♪ Isn't it right
815
00:37:44,814 --> 00:37:46,781
- Ethan works, he
works a full time job.
816
00:37:46,816 --> 00:37:48,749
He earns enough money
to pay his bills,
817
00:37:48,783 --> 00:37:49,888
and then he films.
818
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,581
It takes him quite a
while to finish his films
819
00:37:53,616 --> 00:37:55,065
because they're not financed.
820
00:37:57,723 --> 00:37:59,138
- I worked in the film industry.
821
00:37:59,173 --> 00:38:00,761
I did grip and electric.
822
00:38:00,795 --> 00:38:03,315
I would do assistant
editing for cable networks
823
00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:06,387
and the thing I would
find most common
824
00:38:06,422 --> 00:38:08,389
is that the projects I worked on
825
00:38:08,424 --> 00:38:10,184
were predictable and cliche.
826
00:38:10,218 --> 00:38:12,773
I will never be that
theatrical success.
827
00:38:13,946 --> 00:38:17,329
I'd prefer to make
my little odd films
828
00:38:17,364 --> 00:38:20,608
that are geared towards
like minded individuals
829
00:38:21,816 --> 00:38:26,821
documenting subcultures
and unknown artists.
830
00:38:27,926 --> 00:38:31,239
It inspired me to wanna
get more involved,
831
00:38:31,274 --> 00:38:33,034
to have a bigger influence.
832
00:38:34,104 --> 00:38:36,590
[jazzy music]
833
00:38:38,833 --> 00:38:41,491
I just really wasn't sure
how to go about doing that.
834
00:38:48,118 --> 00:38:49,879
The dynamic of
living in New York
835
00:38:49,913 --> 00:38:51,605
is everybody moves
here because they wanna
836
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:53,089
do something creative.
837
00:38:53,123 --> 00:38:55,056
If you don't wanna move
here because of that,
838
00:38:55,091 --> 00:38:56,506
you're moving here
because you wanna be
839
00:38:56,541 --> 00:38:58,819
around people who are
doing something creative.
840
00:38:58,853 --> 00:39:01,511
Unfortunately, the rents
make that very hard
841
00:39:01,546 --> 00:39:03,306
because you become
a slave to your job
842
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:06,482
so you're stuck in a
cycle of having to work
843
00:39:06,516 --> 00:39:09,519
to pay your rent and not doing
what you're doing creatively.
844
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,799
The dynamics of the bars
is they want people there
845
00:39:13,834 --> 00:39:15,387
and they wanna make
money, so we said, hey,
846
00:39:15,422 --> 00:39:16,595
you got this room in
the back of the bar.
847
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:18,597
Why don't we do one
night art shows.
848
00:39:18,632 --> 00:39:20,392
We did that for 11 years.
849
00:39:20,427 --> 00:39:25,121
We showed over 3,000 artists
and the reason it worked
850
00:39:25,155 --> 00:39:28,193
is because you were
giving people a chance
851
00:39:28,227 --> 00:39:30,885
without having to worry about
the economics of a gallery.
852
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,026
There was huge room
for experimentation
853
00:39:34,061 --> 00:39:36,891
so you couldn't say
that those same elements
854
00:39:36,926 --> 00:39:38,410
didn't exist in other
cities, they did.
855
00:39:38,445 --> 00:39:40,412
There were other cities
all over the world
856
00:39:40,447 --> 00:39:41,931
where there was cheap rent,
857
00:39:41,965 --> 00:39:43,795
but they didn't have
as many art movements
858
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:46,591
birthed out of them
as New York City did,
859
00:39:46,625 --> 00:39:49,110
as Punk Rock, as Hip
Hop, as the Beatnik.
860
00:39:49,145 --> 00:39:51,078
The thing about New
York that's unique
861
00:39:51,112 --> 00:39:53,805
is that it brings
everybody together
862
00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:57,256
and those people who
have diverse perspectives
863
00:39:57,291 --> 00:39:58,982
can come up with
something unique.
864
00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:02,676
♪ Art talk
865
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:04,954
♪ Just doing some
good old art talk ♪
866
00:40:04,988 --> 00:40:08,923
♪ With your host Ethan Minsker
867
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,857
If you're trying to
do something creative,
868
00:40:11,892 --> 00:40:14,342
you have to look
at the resources
869
00:40:14,377 --> 00:40:17,276
and assess your situation
in your environment
870
00:40:17,311 --> 00:40:21,971
and New York is uniquely suited
to doing creative things.
871
00:40:22,005 --> 00:40:24,836
All of those materials
and elements are there
872
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:28,080
and if you become crafty enough,
873
00:40:28,115 --> 00:40:30,980
you can figure out ways
you can do these projects
874
00:40:31,014 --> 00:40:32,982
for little or no cost.
875
00:40:33,016 --> 00:40:35,294
New York had all of
the creative elements
876
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:38,988
that I would need to be
able to pursue my dreams.
877
00:40:39,022 --> 00:40:42,198
It's a city full of
people just like myself
878
00:40:42,232 --> 00:40:44,511
who are desperate
to do something.
879
00:40:44,545 --> 00:40:48,066
♪ Not just a new idea but
880
00:40:49,343 --> 00:40:52,277
Building a community like that
881
00:40:52,311 --> 00:40:55,280
was the birthplace for starting
the Antagonist Art Movement.
882
00:40:58,145 --> 00:41:00,906
We try to go into the
community, engage the community,
883
00:41:00,941 --> 00:41:05,601
and then build our larger
community through outreach.
884
00:41:05,635 --> 00:41:07,430
- [Man] What kind of
advice would you give
885
00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:08,604
to those people listening?
886
00:41:08,638 --> 00:41:09,881
- I'd say the
major thing with us
887
00:41:09,915 --> 00:41:13,022
is that artists in
general are solitary
888
00:41:13,056 --> 00:41:15,507
and by working
together as a group,
889
00:41:15,542 --> 00:41:18,061
it gives you a lot
more options open up.
890
00:41:19,028 --> 00:41:21,582
[upbeat music]
891
00:41:22,928 --> 00:41:25,103
I'm the head curator
and organizer
892
00:41:25,137 --> 00:41:27,519
for a group called the
Antagonist Art Movement.
893
00:41:27,554 --> 00:41:28,969
We're based out of New York City
894
00:41:29,003 --> 00:41:31,212
but we work with artists
around the world.
895
00:41:31,247 --> 00:41:32,731
Part of our mission statement
896
00:41:32,766 --> 00:41:36,217
is to create venues
and projects that allow
897
00:41:36,252 --> 00:41:39,255
unrecognized artists to
develop their talent.
898
00:41:39,289 --> 00:41:40,912
Our goal is to act
as a laboratory
899
00:41:40,946 --> 00:41:43,431
to allow people to
experiment without
900
00:41:43,466 --> 00:41:46,331
the ramifications
of the economics
901
00:41:46,365 --> 00:41:48,989
that are associated
with the art market.
902
00:41:50,404 --> 00:41:51,578
- It's known the art world now.
903
00:41:51,612 --> 00:41:53,165
It's just a place,
it's about money
904
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,478
and moving and shaking
and it's not really about
905
00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:57,687
discovering artists or
any of that anymore.
906
00:41:57,722 --> 00:42:00,241
So as artists, we
have to carry on
907
00:42:00,276 --> 00:42:02,071
in our own sort
of collective way.
908
00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:07,007
- Ethan hasn't just
built an organization
909
00:42:07,041 --> 00:42:09,078
that's helped so many
people and so many creatives
910
00:42:09,112 --> 00:42:10,769
in the Lower East Side,
911
00:42:10,804 --> 00:42:12,046
but he's helping to
uphold the legacy
912
00:42:12,081 --> 00:42:14,117
of the Lower East Side
and the creative history
913
00:42:14,152 --> 00:42:15,153
of his neighborhood.
914
00:42:19,467 --> 00:42:20,883
- We were gonna do our own thing
915
00:42:20,917 --> 00:42:24,542
and actually create things that
are interesting and unique.
916
00:42:26,198 --> 00:42:29,339
- Antagonist Movement was
my gateway to New York City.
917
00:42:29,374 --> 00:42:34,172
When I moved here, I had
nothing and Ethan got me a job.
918
00:42:34,206 --> 00:42:37,796
- Huge part of my 20s and
my development as an artist.
919
00:42:37,831 --> 00:42:39,211
- He got me writing.
920
00:42:39,246 --> 00:42:41,628
- The Antagonist art
movement is a family to me.
921
00:42:43,526 --> 00:42:45,459
And kind of a cult,
let's be real.
922
00:42:45,493 --> 00:42:48,600
- Comparing it to some of the
other artistic communities
923
00:42:48,635 --> 00:42:51,327
which to me were
much more elitist.
924
00:42:51,361 --> 00:42:53,916
- In a strange place where
you never find a leader,
925
00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:57,609
[laughing] we
found Ethan Minsker
926
00:42:57,644 --> 00:42:59,197
or he found us, I don't know.
927
00:43:00,992 --> 00:43:03,650
- The art market, overwhelming
percent of artists
928
00:43:03,684 --> 00:43:07,861
that are successful are
from the same economic class
929
00:43:07,895 --> 00:43:09,725
that owns and runs
the galleries.
930
00:43:09,759 --> 00:43:13,694
They go to the same few
select master programs.
931
00:43:13,729 --> 00:43:17,077
We select art purely based on
932
00:43:17,111 --> 00:43:19,597
the content quality of the art.
933
00:43:19,631 --> 00:43:22,185
We separate the concept
of who the artist is.
934
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:24,498
[applauding]
935
00:43:24,532 --> 00:43:27,363
The antagonist is the one
who pushes the protagonist
936
00:43:27,397 --> 00:43:30,331
to action so we're not
trying to be the hero.
937
00:43:30,366 --> 00:43:31,436
We're trying to get the hero
938
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:33,645
to go off and do the adventure.
939
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,751
I worked at galleries
and art handler
940
00:43:35,785 --> 00:43:37,856
and it's a very
closed off system.
941
00:43:37,891 --> 00:43:40,825
How can a gallery
afford this space
942
00:43:40,859 --> 00:43:43,103
to pay my salary
and everybody else
943
00:43:43,137 --> 00:43:45,761
is that they have to have
artists that can cover that.
944
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:51,732
It was 2003 when
we met Arturo Vega.
945
00:43:51,767 --> 00:43:56,426
Arturo was the artistic
director for the Ramones.
946
00:43:56,461 --> 00:44:00,327
He did their t-shirt design,
they rehearsed in his loft.
947
00:44:00,361 --> 00:44:04,400
He was a mixing spoon
where he would take people
948
00:44:04,434 --> 00:44:06,298
from different elements
and backgrounds
949
00:44:06,333 --> 00:44:07,817
and introduce them to each other
950
00:44:07,852 --> 00:44:09,716
and try to get them
to collaborate.
951
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:13,029
Our art movement and all the
work I've personally done
952
00:44:13,064 --> 00:44:15,204
has been always
referencing punk rock
953
00:44:15,238 --> 00:44:18,138
so when you have
somebody like Arturo
954
00:44:18,172 --> 00:44:22,970
who comes along and isn't
just passing through
955
00:44:23,005 --> 00:44:24,662
but takes notice of
what you're doing,
956
00:44:24,696 --> 00:44:28,044
gets involved, and wants
to push you to do more
957
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,151
and become friends
with us is massive.
958
00:44:31,185 --> 00:44:32,911
Arturo would curate
shows for us,
959
00:44:32,946 --> 00:44:35,707
he would mentor
artists, advise us,
960
00:44:35,742 --> 00:44:39,469
but for me personally, he
was like the artistic father
961
00:44:39,504 --> 00:44:40,539
that I never had.
962
00:44:47,961 --> 00:44:50,618
Arturo brought us Richard
Hambleton who showed with us
963
00:44:50,653 --> 00:44:54,415
in the pop up gallery we had
in the basement of a bar.
964
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:56,245
He hadn't shown in
more than 20 years
965
00:44:56,279 --> 00:44:58,212
so that was kind of
a big deal for us.
966
00:44:58,247 --> 00:44:59,800
- If we were to stare.
967
00:44:59,835 --> 00:45:02,354
- [Man] We love you
Arturo, we love you.
968
00:45:02,389 --> 00:45:03,873
- [Man] Who's the cutest?
969
00:45:03,908 --> 00:45:06,082
- I think an Antagonist is
not about being beautiful.
970
00:45:07,566 --> 00:45:10,224
It's about being beautiful
and getting away with it.
971
00:45:10,259 --> 00:45:12,813
[laughing]
972
00:45:12,848 --> 00:45:15,851
- Arturo died suddenly in 2013.
973
00:45:15,885 --> 00:45:18,405
It broke my heart but
Arturo would have been
974
00:45:18,439 --> 00:45:21,891
the first one to tell
you that you don't mourn
975
00:45:21,926 --> 00:45:23,824
someone's death,
you celebrate it.
976
00:45:23,859 --> 00:45:28,035
There are times when I
felt like slowing down
977
00:45:28,070 --> 00:45:30,210
I could feel this kind of voice
978
00:45:30,244 --> 00:45:31,729
in the back of my head.
979
00:45:31,763 --> 00:45:34,386
What you're doing is good,
it's good for the community.
980
00:45:34,421 --> 00:45:36,630
When you get in
this conversation,
981
00:45:36,664 --> 00:45:38,045
like how do we know each other?
982
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,081
Oh yeah, you don't remember?
983
00:45:39,115 --> 00:45:41,083
Arturo introduced us.
984
00:45:41,117 --> 00:45:43,775
He was bringing us
these lost puppies
985
00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:47,261
but all the lost puppies
is really what made up
986
00:45:47,296 --> 00:45:48,711
the bulk of our group.
987
00:45:48,746 --> 00:45:51,196
- And those people
eventually got careers
988
00:45:51,231 --> 00:45:52,370
and became established
989
00:45:52,404 --> 00:45:54,372
and some of them became
world recognized.
990
00:45:57,755 --> 00:45:58,859
- [Ethan] There are a few people
991
00:45:58,894 --> 00:46:00,343
that have become successful,
992
00:46:00,378 --> 00:46:01,275
Jonah Hill.
993
00:46:01,310 --> 00:46:02,518
- 'Cause I'm a moron, dude.
994
00:46:02,552 --> 00:46:04,658
My shit's not very
well spoken at all.
995
00:46:04,692 --> 00:46:06,694
Trust me, I'll be
the first one to say.
996
00:46:06,729 --> 00:46:08,455
- He was a kid off the street
997
00:46:08,489 --> 00:46:10,491
that came in and started
reading in our group.
998
00:46:10,526 --> 00:46:12,321
We moved him up to headliner.
999
00:46:12,355 --> 00:46:14,461
Dustin Hoffman's kids
came in and said,
1000
00:46:14,495 --> 00:46:16,670
I want you to meet my dad.
1001
00:46:16,704 --> 00:46:18,845
He's doing a movie called
I Love the Huckabees
1002
00:46:18,879 --> 00:46:20,191
which was Jonah
Hill's first movie
1003
00:46:20,225 --> 00:46:21,709
and then took off.
1004
00:46:21,744 --> 00:46:23,850
The whole point is to try
to make it something unique
1005
00:46:23,884 --> 00:46:27,336
that changes everything so
if we make into mainstream
1006
00:46:27,370 --> 00:46:30,063
status, that's fine
as long as you keep
1007
00:46:30,097 --> 00:46:32,513
the integrity of
what you're doing.
1008
00:46:32,548 --> 00:46:34,205
We had done so many
shows in New York
1009
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,345
and felt like we weren't
really getting anywhere
1010
00:46:36,379 --> 00:46:39,797
so we decided to
do shows overseas.
1011
00:46:41,212 --> 00:46:43,110
- I actually find you guys
really easy to deal with
1012
00:46:43,145 --> 00:46:44,353
since you've done a lot of
1013
00:46:44,387 --> 00:46:45,664
these exhibitions
internationally.
1014
00:46:45,699 --> 00:46:47,183
There was a lot of
encouragement there.
1015
00:46:47,218 --> 00:46:50,566
I like the fact that you
guys do antagonize me
1016
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,465
'cause when you've got a
year to work on a show,
1017
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:54,397
you tend to sort of be
a little bit laid back,
1018
00:46:54,432 --> 00:46:55,951
especially if you're Australian.
1019
00:46:57,953 --> 00:46:59,161
- I was brought to
this project by Ethan.
1020
00:46:59,195 --> 00:47:01,508
Conversation started
about over a year ago.
1021
00:47:01,542 --> 00:47:03,441
I met Ethan through some friends
1022
00:47:03,475 --> 00:47:04,787
at a barbecue in New Jersey
1023
00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:08,066
in the Hoboken of all
places. [laughing]
1024
00:47:11,311 --> 00:47:13,796
- The overseas projects, we
would work with local artists
1025
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:16,109
in tandem to come
up with a theme.
1026
00:47:16,143 --> 00:47:19,491
- Back in 2007 in
Berlin I met Antagonist.
1027
00:47:19,526 --> 00:47:21,217
We did an art show
there together.
1028
00:47:21,252 --> 00:47:23,461
They influenced us
to do these art shows
1029
00:47:23,495 --> 00:47:24,807
where everyone can show.
1030
00:47:27,603 --> 00:47:29,985
I'm living in New York
and the Antagonists
1031
00:47:30,019 --> 00:47:31,400
helped me find jobs.
1032
00:47:31,434 --> 00:47:34,299
- By doing those, we
would make connections
1033
00:47:34,334 --> 00:47:36,715
that would last for years.
1034
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:39,097
- I came to New York
and they introduced me
1035
00:47:39,132 --> 00:47:40,581
to a lot of people
and opportunities.
1036
00:47:40,616 --> 00:47:42,204
Then I started working
on some of their projects
1037
00:47:42,238 --> 00:47:45,207
like zines and
films and art shows.
1038
00:47:45,241 --> 00:47:47,278
Now I'm trapped forever.
1039
00:47:48,451 --> 00:47:50,660
- October we're doing
the Dwelling Project
1040
00:47:50,695 --> 00:47:51,903
in Sydney, Australia.
1041
00:47:51,938 --> 00:47:54,181
We're asking people
to make buildings
1042
00:47:54,216 --> 00:47:55,838
out of recycled materials
1043
00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:58,599
and then we'll construct
a city in the gallery.
1044
00:47:58,634 --> 00:48:00,705
Half the buildings
and works you see here
1045
00:48:00,739 --> 00:48:02,362
are a performance art.
1046
00:48:02,396 --> 00:48:04,951
I will come in as
Godzilla and destroy it
1047
00:48:04,985 --> 00:48:06,297
because I love doing that.
1048
00:48:06,331 --> 00:48:08,540
The deeper part of
it is that it's about
1049
00:48:08,575 --> 00:48:10,266
the loss of your
home and how people
1050
00:48:10,301 --> 00:48:11,958
all around the world constantly
1051
00:48:11,992 --> 00:48:13,304
there's someone
losing their home
1052
00:48:13,338 --> 00:48:14,615
and a lot of people
watch it on the news
1053
00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:16,928
and don't really
feel it personally.
1054
00:48:16,963 --> 00:48:21,933
♪ Lemonade lemonade
1055
00:48:23,107 --> 00:48:27,594
♪ Lemonade lemonade
gimme gimme lemonade ♪
1056
00:48:29,182 --> 00:48:32,461
♪ Lemonade lemonade oh
1057
00:48:35,257 --> 00:48:38,846
- One of my first shows
I've ever done as an artist
1058
00:48:38,881 --> 00:48:40,262
kind of gave me an early sense
1059
00:48:40,296 --> 00:48:42,333
of a feeling of community.
1060
00:48:42,367 --> 00:48:45,198
I designed the latest
Antagonist movement logo
1061
00:48:45,232 --> 00:48:48,304
and traditionally, the
logo itself has been
1062
00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:50,928
designed by a different
artist every couple of years
1063
00:48:50,962 --> 00:48:53,689
keeping the same
theme of a ninja
1064
00:48:53,723 --> 00:48:57,348
inside of a black circle with
Antagonist Movement around it.
1065
00:48:57,382 --> 00:48:59,937
- If you get that
collective Antagonist stuff
1066
00:48:59,971 --> 00:49:03,216
in enough different spots,
somebody will discover it.
1067
00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:07,047
♪ Places will be hard to find
1068
00:49:07,082 --> 00:49:08,704
- This neighborhood
really represented
1069
00:49:08,738 --> 00:49:10,948
this sort of spirit
of independent art
1070
00:49:10,982 --> 00:49:12,742
and making something
that was new.
1071
00:49:12,777 --> 00:49:15,814
When I came here, I was
like, I wanna start a group.
1072
00:49:15,849 --> 00:49:17,264
I wanna make something new.
1073
00:49:17,299 --> 00:49:20,474
All I wanna do is at
least be the liner note
1074
00:49:20,509 --> 00:49:22,200
in somebody else's
story where we're like,
1075
00:49:22,235 --> 00:49:25,134
we helped that person
make something huge
1076
00:49:25,169 --> 00:49:26,273
and change everything.
1077
00:49:27,516 --> 00:49:30,105
[upbeat music]
1078
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:35,351
The Antagonist Movement
for me was a school.
1079
00:49:35,386 --> 00:49:38,527
It taught me how to
work with other artists.
1080
00:49:38,561 --> 00:49:42,013
It gave me a greater
and deeper understanding
1081
00:49:42,048 --> 00:49:45,292
of all of the possibilities
of art out there
1082
00:49:45,327 --> 00:49:48,640
and not to be limited by
just trying out one genre.
1083
00:49:48,675 --> 00:49:53,438
It gave me the courage to
try things that were risky
1084
00:49:53,473 --> 00:49:56,579
and in doing so, it sharpened
and honed my ability.
1085
00:50:03,517 --> 00:50:05,899
- Affecting individual
peoples' lives in New York
1086
00:50:05,933 --> 00:50:09,075
which is such a
dehumanizing place at times.
1087
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:10,593
- And I think it's
good because I think
1088
00:50:10,628 --> 00:50:12,871
we're some of the last
left in the Alamo.
1089
00:50:15,426 --> 00:50:18,118
- In 2011, we lost the space
where we did our events.
1090
00:50:18,153 --> 00:50:19,982
It's not really about
the actually shows.
1091
00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:21,432
It's not about the physical art.
1092
00:50:21,466 --> 00:50:23,434
It's about the connections
and the personality
1093
00:50:23,468 --> 00:50:25,022
of the people we work with
1094
00:50:25,056 --> 00:50:27,058
and those connections
are what are really
1095
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:30,027
the fundamental crux of
the Antagonist Movement
1096
00:50:30,061 --> 00:50:32,719
because those carry on
much longer than the show.
1097
00:50:35,377 --> 00:50:39,312
- I think his strongest talent
is building communities.
1098
00:50:40,554 --> 00:50:42,763
- It started with me
reading Ernest Hemingway
1099
00:50:42,798 --> 00:50:44,006
and Henry Miller books.
1100
00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:46,698
There's these parts
where they talk about
1101
00:50:46,733 --> 00:50:49,908
going to the beach
and vacationing
1102
00:50:49,943 --> 00:50:52,980
with a group of artists
of different backgrounds.
1103
00:50:53,912 --> 00:50:57,330
♪ Words that calm me
1104
00:50:57,364 --> 00:51:00,609
It would be the starting
place for new concepts
1105
00:51:00,643 --> 00:51:02,576
and ideas so once a year,
1106
00:51:02,611 --> 00:51:03,991
I would get a bunch of artists
1107
00:51:04,026 --> 00:51:06,097
and we would save up some money
1108
00:51:06,132 --> 00:51:08,479
and split the rental
cost of a house.
1109
00:51:08,513 --> 00:51:09,894
There was something
about getting outside
1110
00:51:09,928 --> 00:51:12,966
of your environment
that led to new concepts
1111
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,176
that it gives you
more opportunity
1112
00:51:16,211 --> 00:51:18,144
because you're tapping
into the knowledge
1113
00:51:18,178 --> 00:51:19,800
of all of the different people.
1114
00:51:21,354 --> 00:51:23,977
[gentle music]
1115
00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:27,636
Over the years,
the artist retreat
1116
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:31,260
morphed into the art brunch
1117
00:51:31,295 --> 00:51:34,677
and the art brunch now is
something we do once a month.
1118
00:51:34,712 --> 00:51:36,645
I think as an
artist it's easy to
1119
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:40,787
get stuck in your projects
so you should have something
1120
00:51:40,821 --> 00:51:44,687
built into your routine
that is a social element.
1121
00:51:44,722 --> 00:51:47,138
All of my friendships
and socializing
1122
00:51:47,173 --> 00:51:49,899
are done through
what I do creatively.
1123
00:51:49,934 --> 00:51:51,729
The art brunch is a
place where people can
1124
00:51:51,763 --> 00:51:55,181
give me critical
feedback on my projects.
1125
00:51:55,215 --> 00:51:57,700
[jazzy music]
1126
00:51:59,081 --> 00:52:01,048
I started trying to
think of what could be
1127
00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,741
the next step that could
supplement those things.
1128
00:52:06,157 --> 00:52:08,815
- In 2011, Ethan and his family
1129
00:52:08,849 --> 00:52:10,368
and the Antagonist Art Movement
1130
00:52:10,403 --> 00:52:13,889
sent me back to NYU to study
philanthropy and fund raising.
1131
00:52:13,923 --> 00:52:15,373
From there, I learned
how to do grant writing,
1132
00:52:15,408 --> 00:52:17,686
accounting, budgeting
and everything
1133
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,689
under the sun for
non-profit organizations.
1134
00:52:20,723 --> 00:52:21,931
- [Ethan] With these
art projects we do,
1135
00:52:21,966 --> 00:52:23,933
we go to other countries
and then we search out
1136
00:52:23,968 --> 00:52:25,625
kids from disadvantaged youth,
1137
00:52:25,659 --> 00:52:28,766
hard backgrounds and we try
to teach them in workshops.
1138
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,009
The thing I found amazing
about that is you see
1139
00:52:31,044 --> 00:52:34,875
these kids who maybe are
not interested in writing
1140
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:38,258
or not interested in art
but are very creative
1141
00:52:38,293 --> 00:52:42,331
and once you show them that
sort of avenue of expression,
1142
00:52:42,366 --> 00:52:43,884
then it flips everything around.
1143
00:52:43,919 --> 00:52:45,852
Like the same thing with myself.
1144
00:52:45,886 --> 00:52:48,268
- Shannon, Ethan, and
I are all directors
1145
00:52:48,303 --> 00:52:52,134
on the board for the non-profit
Citizens For The Arts.
1146
00:52:52,169 --> 00:52:55,068
- In 2013, we were
granted non-profit status.
1147
00:52:55,102 --> 00:52:56,759
- This is the next step.
1148
00:52:56,794 --> 00:52:59,141
- [Shannon] It's opened a
number of opportunities.
1149
00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:00,729
We don't only do art projects.
1150
00:53:00,763 --> 00:53:03,352
We do things that are kind
of in a humanitarian realm.
1151
00:53:03,387 --> 00:53:06,217
- When you feel that you've
been doing the same thing
1152
00:53:06,252 --> 00:53:07,874
for a certain amount of years,
1153
00:53:07,908 --> 00:53:10,601
you have to actively go
out and try to do something
1154
00:53:10,635 --> 00:53:12,706
that you're not
comfortable with.
1155
00:53:12,741 --> 00:53:15,192
- There is a lot of
challenges that we're facing.
1156
00:53:16,262 --> 00:53:17,470
- I had this idea in my head
1157
00:53:17,504 --> 00:53:18,954
that once we became a non-profit
1158
00:53:18,988 --> 00:53:21,232
that everybody would just
start throwing at us,
1159
00:53:21,267 --> 00:53:23,855
but it's like hard to get
five dollars out of somebody,
1160
00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:25,788
let alone 500 or 5,000.
1161
00:53:25,823 --> 00:53:29,033
- You went from having
a large base of people
1162
00:53:29,067 --> 00:53:30,241
but at the end of the day,
1163
00:53:30,276 --> 00:53:31,208
there's only three
people doing it
1164
00:53:31,242 --> 00:53:33,279
so it's starting at square one
1165
00:53:33,313 --> 00:53:35,902
and we end up putting
our own money into it.
1166
00:53:35,936 --> 00:53:37,386
I think we've done quite well.
1167
00:53:37,421 --> 00:53:38,698
- You're never going to progress
1168
00:53:38,732 --> 00:53:41,045
if you just stay
in the same place.
1169
00:53:42,426 --> 00:53:43,875
Hello.
1170
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:46,223
Today on Film Festival,
we'll have a couple of boys
1171
00:53:46,257 --> 00:53:48,328
trying to make
fools of themselves.
1172
00:53:48,363 --> 00:53:50,675
Now, let's go and watch.
1173
00:53:52,090 --> 00:53:55,749
I think as an artist you
also should be a collector.
1174
00:53:55,784 --> 00:53:59,822
It's a good way not only for
you to collect great work
1175
00:53:59,857 --> 00:54:02,584
but it's also a way for
you to get your work
1176
00:54:02,618 --> 00:54:04,862
injected into somebody
else's collection.
1177
00:54:04,896 --> 00:54:07,554
I use my hallways
like a mini gallery
1178
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:11,282
and this reflects the
work from all of the
1179
00:54:11,317 --> 00:54:14,699
one night art shows
we did for 11 years.
1180
00:54:14,734 --> 00:54:16,322
Come on in here.
1181
00:54:16,356 --> 00:54:18,910
When we used to do
the pop up gallery,
1182
00:54:18,945 --> 00:54:21,672
one of our things was doing
group shows based on a theme.
1183
00:54:21,706 --> 00:54:26,642
For this painting, it
was obscure dictators.
1184
00:54:26,677 --> 00:54:29,196
Normal people portrayed
as great dictators.
1185
00:54:30,439 --> 00:54:34,132
And over here is a
painting from our great
1186
00:54:34,167 --> 00:54:37,343
Caffeinate and
Decimate show which was
1187
00:54:37,377 --> 00:54:41,692
the combination of mixing
caffeine and handguns.
1188
00:54:42,762 --> 00:54:45,282
[jazzy music]
1189
00:54:47,663 --> 00:54:49,216
- Oh god, it's so narcissistic.
1190
00:54:49,251 --> 00:54:50,632
Who would make the
film about themselves?
1191
00:54:50,666 --> 00:54:51,978
- [Ethan] What I find
frustrating today
1192
00:54:52,012 --> 00:54:53,359
in making art is that
1193
00:54:53,393 --> 00:54:56,707
it's this celebrity cult that is
1194
00:54:56,741 --> 00:54:59,951
the fascination
of making success,
1195
00:54:59,986 --> 00:55:01,712
especially within the media.
1196
00:55:01,746 --> 00:55:05,094
If I write a book and
try to get a publisher
1197
00:55:05,129 --> 00:55:06,406
or an agent to pick it up,
1198
00:55:06,441 --> 00:55:09,064
the first thing they
wanna know is, well,
1199
00:55:09,098 --> 00:55:11,584
who did you kill or
who did you fuck?
1200
00:55:11,618 --> 00:55:13,586
Do you have an
Instagram account?
1201
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:18,625
- Ethan is like the
most horribly obnoxious
1202
00:55:19,488 --> 00:55:21,214
self promoting person I know.
1203
00:55:21,248 --> 00:55:23,354
- Hashtag us, join
us on Instagram,
1204
00:55:23,389 --> 00:55:27,531
join us on Facebook, tell
your friends, spread the word.
1205
00:55:27,565 --> 00:55:30,016
We're famous for four blocks
on the Lower East Side.
1206
00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:32,190
Outside of that, nobody
seems to know us.
1207
00:55:32,225 --> 00:55:36,056
- Why is anyone going to
pick my book off the shelf?
1208
00:55:36,091 --> 00:55:37,230
Here there's always a choice,
1209
00:55:37,264 --> 00:55:39,336
so if we don't self promote,
1210
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:42,615
I don't know how anybody
discovers our work anymore.
1211
00:55:42,649 --> 00:55:44,996
- Because I don't expect
anybody to come down
1212
00:55:45,031 --> 00:55:46,239
and save my ass.
1213
00:55:46,273 --> 00:55:48,206
If I don't do it myself,
it ain't gonna happen.
1214
00:55:48,241 --> 00:55:53,246
- You have to embrace the
egotistical side of making art.
1215
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:56,007
If the average person
picked up a Picasso
1216
00:55:56,042 --> 00:55:57,112
and looked at it, they would go,
1217
00:55:57,146 --> 00:55:58,700
what the fuck is this shit?
1218
00:55:58,734 --> 00:56:01,427
But Picasso was an expert
at making sure that
1219
00:56:01,461 --> 00:56:03,463
people believed it
was the absolute
1220
00:56:03,498 --> 00:56:05,845
best art that ever
graced this earth.
1221
00:56:05,879 --> 00:56:07,156
So did Andy Warhol.
1222
00:56:07,191 --> 00:56:10,401
You have to have the
personality behind it.
1223
00:56:10,436 --> 00:56:12,127
I'm ready for combat.
1224
00:56:12,161 --> 00:56:14,647
This is apart of the
outfit I'm wearing
1225
00:56:14,681 --> 00:56:16,373
is actually like my event suit
1226
00:56:16,407 --> 00:56:19,306
so I have to show this part too.
1227
00:56:19,341 --> 00:56:21,101
[whistling]
1228
00:56:21,136 --> 00:56:22,137
- [Woman] Oh, very nice.
1229
00:56:22,171 --> 00:56:23,518
- I feel art is combat.
1230
00:56:23,552 --> 00:56:25,002
You have to be ready for war.
1231
00:56:25,036 --> 00:56:26,831
Here you go, sorry Mis.
1232
00:56:26,866 --> 00:56:28,454
Most people are consumers.
1233
00:56:28,488 --> 00:56:31,491
I personally would
rather be a producer.
1234
00:56:31,526 --> 00:56:34,114
[upbeat music]
1235
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:48,163
♪ Take my winter
1236
00:56:48,197 --> 00:56:50,407
When people see me
in my camo suit,
1237
00:56:50,441 --> 00:56:52,063
this is a reference
to writers like
1238
00:56:52,098 --> 00:56:54,445
Truman Capote or Mark Twain.
1239
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,274
Even though their
suits were white,
1240
00:56:58,276 --> 00:57:01,038
your outward appearance
is an extension of
1241
00:57:01,072 --> 00:57:02,764
your creative expression.
1242
00:57:04,593 --> 00:57:07,113
[jazzy music]
1243
00:57:08,528 --> 00:57:10,806
[growling]
1244
00:57:15,811 --> 00:57:20,816
I decided I would start focusing
on my personal projects.
1245
00:57:22,266 --> 00:57:23,716
I'm never gonna be satisfied
with what I do creatively.
1246
00:57:31,827 --> 00:57:34,002
That's probably at the same time
1247
00:57:34,036 --> 00:57:36,625
the part of the machine
that makes me keep
1248
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:39,214
taking on new projects
and trying new things.
1249
00:57:39,248 --> 00:57:41,216
I just have to learn to
give up the concept of
1250
00:57:41,250 --> 00:57:45,462
mainstream success but it would
be nice to have a paycheck.
1251
00:57:45,496 --> 00:57:46,704
- As long as I've known you,
1252
00:57:46,739 --> 00:57:49,293
it seems like your
whole style of creation
1253
00:57:49,327 --> 00:57:51,502
has always been collaborative.
1254
00:57:51,537 --> 00:57:53,090
I don't know how you get
so much fucking shit done.
1255
00:57:53,124 --> 00:57:55,541
It's crazy and you don't
care if it's not perfect
1256
00:57:55,575 --> 00:57:57,197
right away, you just make it
1257
00:57:57,232 --> 00:57:59,234
and that's admirable to me.
1258
00:58:01,650 --> 00:58:04,170
[funky music]
1259
00:58:05,343 --> 00:58:07,449
- I wanted to try
to make a book.
1260
00:58:07,484 --> 00:58:10,728
The first book I wrote was
Rich Boy Cries for Momma.
1261
00:58:10,763 --> 00:58:13,351
- You weren't able to find
a conventional publisher,
1262
00:58:13,386 --> 00:58:15,871
so you resorted to
self publishing.
1263
00:58:19,392 --> 00:58:21,670
- He self publishes
his own writing
1264
00:58:21,705 --> 00:58:24,017
but he goes to great
lengths for the quality of
1265
00:58:24,052 --> 00:58:26,157
every zine and
book that he does.
1266
00:58:26,192 --> 00:58:28,712
He gets great people
to do the artwork
1267
00:58:28,746 --> 00:58:30,541
and to help him design the
book, to edit the book,
1268
00:58:30,576 --> 00:58:34,200
so in the end, what he
has is just a really great
1269
00:58:34,234 --> 00:58:35,615
piece of art in itself.
1270
00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:39,412
- This one is about
the D.C. punk scene,
1271
00:58:39,446 --> 00:58:41,483
about some of my friends
getting murdered,
1272
00:58:41,518 --> 00:58:43,312
but it's a comedy too.
1273
00:58:43,347 --> 00:58:45,280
And Barstool
Prophets, that's about
1274
00:58:45,314 --> 00:58:47,489
the New York City bar
scene and all that.
1275
00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:49,249
- I read Barstool Prophets
and just thought it was great.
1276
00:58:49,284 --> 00:58:51,631
It was a great introduction
to the city of New York,
1277
00:58:51,666 --> 00:58:53,530
especially the East
Village because
1278
00:58:53,564 --> 00:58:56,567
it takes place between
1993 and about 2014
1279
00:58:56,602 --> 00:58:58,638
and you get to see all
the changes that go on
1280
00:58:58,673 --> 00:59:00,191
through the eyes of a bartender
1281
00:59:00,226 --> 00:59:03,091
and of course, bartenders
have the best stories, so.
1282
00:59:03,125 --> 00:59:06,094
- I just knew that he wrote
and I knee that he was dyslexic
1283
00:59:06,128 --> 00:59:10,132
but I hadn't really considered
what the two of those
1284
00:59:10,167 --> 00:59:14,585
things meant until after I
started editing his raw work
1285
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:16,414
and then I was like, shit,
1286
00:59:16,449 --> 00:59:18,347
this has to actually
be a struggle.
1287
00:59:18,382 --> 00:59:20,315
I admire that you
still choose to do it.
1288
00:59:20,349 --> 00:59:23,629
- [Un] I would have to
read everything out loud
1289
00:59:23,663 --> 00:59:28,047
so that he could hear,
visualize and edit in his mind.
1290
00:59:28,081 --> 00:59:29,600
- Being dyslexic
and writing a book
1291
00:59:29,635 --> 00:59:32,672
is on the level of a
blind man painting.
1292
00:59:35,641 --> 00:59:38,264
It's a thorough
process of editing
1293
00:59:38,298 --> 00:59:40,887
and normally a
book has one editor
1294
00:59:40,922 --> 00:59:43,890
and has a copy editor
while I have six people
1295
00:59:43,925 --> 00:59:47,066
who help me edit the book and
dozens and dozens of people
1296
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:48,101
who read over it.
1297
00:59:48,136 --> 00:59:50,138
It's a collaborative effort.
1298
00:59:50,172 --> 00:59:51,553
I'm never gonna be able to just
1299
00:59:51,588 --> 00:59:53,762
take a typewriter
and write out a book
1300
00:59:53,797 --> 00:59:55,833
without a lot of supervision.
1301
00:59:57,283 --> 00:59:59,768
[funky music]
1302
01:00:09,053 --> 01:00:11,504
- His work is a lot
like the films he makes.
1303
01:00:11,538 --> 01:00:13,195
Everything is within the frame.
1304
01:00:14,507 --> 01:00:16,992
[guns firing]
1305
01:00:24,172 --> 01:00:26,208
- Making my art, I
recognize I'm making
1306
01:00:26,243 --> 01:00:28,072
a deal with the devil
1307
01:00:28,107 --> 01:00:30,523
and in the details of
that contract state
1308
01:00:30,557 --> 01:00:31,973
is that you have to be willing
1309
01:00:32,007 --> 01:00:34,561
to put more of your private self
1310
01:00:34,596 --> 01:00:36,667
out into the greater world.
1311
01:00:39,049 --> 01:00:41,741
You risk being
criticized and ridiculed.
1312
01:00:43,156 --> 01:00:44,848
- [Cynthia] The art
world is full of bullies
1313
01:00:44,882 --> 01:00:46,988
just like any other
part of society.
1314
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:50,163
- Now I've been
getting criticized
1315
01:00:50,198 --> 01:00:51,682
since I've been a kid.
1316
01:00:51,717 --> 01:00:54,409
It's one of the byproducts
of being learning disabled.
1317
01:00:55,893 --> 01:00:58,171
I've collected the
criticism and bad reviews.
1318
01:00:58,206 --> 01:01:00,553
I call them my little
family of enemies
1319
01:01:00,587 --> 01:01:03,314
and I keep them around
and use them as something
1320
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:07,525
that motivates me because I
need to prove them all wrong.
1321
01:01:11,012 --> 01:01:14,049
- Ethan is always ready
for the consequences.
1322
01:01:14,084 --> 01:01:17,052
Actually, he's
looking for the fight.
1323
01:01:17,087 --> 01:01:18,985
- It pushes my art to be better.
1324
01:01:20,366 --> 01:01:23,265
I don't think any artist starts
out polished and perfect.
1325
01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:26,130
It's in your failures
that you become better.
1326
01:01:32,965 --> 01:01:35,588
- [Man] This man is
up here 30,000 feet
1327
01:01:35,622 --> 01:01:38,280
above the World Trade Center.
1328
01:01:38,315 --> 01:01:40,731
Sir, do you have life insurance?
1329
01:01:40,766 --> 01:01:44,873
- What? [screaming]
1330
01:01:44,908 --> 01:01:46,426
- [Man] I guess he didn't.
1331
01:01:46,461 --> 01:01:49,326
- When September 11
happened, I got a phone call
1332
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,568
at nine in the morning.
1333
01:01:50,603 --> 01:01:52,570
My phone never rings
at nine in the morning
1334
01:01:52,605 --> 01:01:55,608
and when I came out
into the living room,
1335
01:01:55,642 --> 01:01:57,472
after the buildings had fallen,
1336
01:01:57,506 --> 01:02:00,578
you could see ash right
outside this window.
1337
01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:05,411
Picking up my camera
and filming gave me
1338
01:02:05,445 --> 01:02:06,930
the illusion of control.
1339
01:02:06,964 --> 01:02:08,759
It was a way of
processing the events
1340
01:02:08,794 --> 01:02:11,072
that were unfolding around me.
1341
01:02:11,106 --> 01:02:15,697
By me is where the World
Trade Centers used to stand.
1342
01:02:15,732 --> 01:02:17,319
It's now been a week.
1343
01:02:18,735 --> 01:02:21,185
I don't have the ability
to suppress emotions
1344
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:22,669
so I have to figure out ways
1345
01:02:22,704 --> 01:02:24,257
I can work through them
1346
01:02:24,292 --> 01:02:26,052
and doing something creative
1347
01:02:26,087 --> 01:02:27,571
has always been that key for me.
1348
01:02:27,605 --> 01:02:31,126
It's the one thing that
keeps my sanity in check.
1349
01:02:31,161 --> 01:02:35,234
Those were tapes I hadn't
looked at in 17 years.
1350
01:02:35,268 --> 01:02:37,477
It was just something
I filmed and put away.
1351
01:02:41,067 --> 01:02:43,345
Couple of the people that
used to come in the bar
1352
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:46,797
are definitely now missing or,
1353
01:02:46,832 --> 01:02:48,212
I guess the word
isn't missing anymore.
1354
01:02:48,247 --> 01:02:49,075
They're dead.
1355
01:02:51,802 --> 01:02:54,184
I was nervous about doing
the performance art.
1356
01:02:54,218 --> 01:02:58,291
Once I started, I fell
into this meditative state.
1357
01:02:58,326 --> 01:03:00,984
[loud drumming]
1358
01:03:11,477 --> 01:03:13,928
There's a feeling I derive
from the work that I do,
1359
01:03:13,962 --> 01:03:17,138
a mixture of comfort
and satisfaction
1360
01:03:17,172 --> 01:03:20,003
and that feeling can
be a very powerful
1361
01:03:21,142 --> 01:03:22,488
and addictive force.
1362
01:03:36,295 --> 01:03:38,745
[applauding]
1363
01:03:42,370 --> 01:03:44,959
[gentle music]
1364
01:04:01,527 --> 01:04:03,218
You can't help thinking about
1365
01:04:03,253 --> 01:04:04,875
the people who lost their lives.
1366
01:04:06,325 --> 01:04:07,878
I understand when they're
watching the performance art
1367
01:04:07,913 --> 01:04:09,466
it's going to look
very childish,
1368
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:11,848
it's going look like a
kid just having fun again.
1369
01:04:11,882 --> 01:04:15,092
I want the viewer to
have that disconnection,
1370
01:04:15,127 --> 01:04:16,611
not to understand
the real kind of
1371
01:04:16,645 --> 01:04:18,924
personal emotion behind it.
1372
01:04:18,958 --> 01:04:20,684
Maybe later if
they see this film,
1373
01:04:20,718 --> 01:04:23,135
their concept of what
they saw will change.
1374
01:04:24,377 --> 01:04:25,862
Living in New York right now
1375
01:04:27,656 --> 01:04:29,072
is just like living in a war.
1376
01:04:33,283 --> 01:04:35,181
♪ Stay
1377
01:04:40,704 --> 01:04:43,431
[blaster firing]
1378
01:04:47,953 --> 01:04:49,161
♪ Trading laughs again
1379
01:04:49,195 --> 01:04:50,956
Okay there's a story
you like to tell
1380
01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:53,613
about me over and over again.
1381
01:04:55,236 --> 01:04:58,549
- We were walking from the
9:30 Club to D.C. Space
1382
01:04:58,584 --> 01:05:01,138
which was a smaller club
a couple of blocks away
1383
01:05:01,173 --> 01:05:04,693
down a dark street and a
crack head comes up to us
1384
01:05:04,728 --> 01:05:07,179
with his hand in his jacket
1385
01:05:07,213 --> 01:05:10,907
as if he has a gun
and Ethan says,
1386
01:05:10,941 --> 01:05:12,770
you don't have a fucking gun
1387
01:05:12,805 --> 01:05:14,220
and you better
fucking have a gun
1388
01:05:14,255 --> 01:05:15,704
if you're gonna pull that shit
1389
01:05:15,739 --> 01:05:19,846
and I'm just terrified because
if I was that crack head,
1390
01:05:19,881 --> 01:05:21,089
I would have just shot Ethan,
1391
01:05:21,124 --> 01:05:24,644
but the reality was, the
guy didn't have a gun
1392
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:29,097
and when Ethan challenged
him, he just said,
1393
01:05:29,132 --> 01:05:30,685
yeah, I don't have a
gun and turned around
1394
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:32,721
and walked away very
matter of factly.
1395
01:05:32,756 --> 01:05:34,861
- I've had guns pulled
on me three times.
1396
01:05:34,896 --> 01:05:37,726
[energetic music]
1397
01:05:39,590 --> 01:05:43,491
The project I've been
focusing on in the last year
1398
01:05:43,525 --> 01:05:48,151
has been Ghost Guns and
the concept is related to
1399
01:05:48,185 --> 01:05:53,190
a lot of my friends who died
as a result of gun violence
1400
01:05:54,364 --> 01:05:57,505
and I wanted to make
these paper mache guns
1401
01:05:57,539 --> 01:06:01,440
that act as a memorial to
the victims of gun violence.
1402
01:06:01,474 --> 01:06:03,304
The thing in the
United States is
1403
01:06:03,338 --> 01:06:07,515
everyone feels it's
impossible to do anything
1404
01:06:07,549 --> 01:06:11,001
about handguns and
I don't believe
1405
01:06:11,036 --> 01:06:13,452
rolling over and giving
up is the answer.
1406
01:06:16,489 --> 01:06:18,284
♪ They say
1407
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:22,357
I enjoy shooting guns but
if it meant saving one life,
1408
01:06:22,392 --> 01:06:24,981
I'd be happy to give up
that right in a moment.
1409
01:06:27,742 --> 01:06:29,606
As a kid, you watch these movies
1410
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,712
where the gun is always
presented as the catalyst
1411
01:06:32,747 --> 01:06:35,646
for action and adventure
but the reality is
1412
01:06:35,681 --> 01:06:38,304
is when you become an adult,
1413
01:06:38,339 --> 01:06:42,274
you can see the gun being
unmasked for what it truly is,
1414
01:06:42,308 --> 01:06:47,244
a tool of death,
destruction, and sadness.
1415
01:06:47,279 --> 01:06:50,040
I'll always incorporate
guns into my artwork,
1416
01:06:50,075 --> 01:06:53,768
but its symbolism has
changed from being
1417
01:06:53,802 --> 01:06:55,114
the hero to the villain.
1418
01:06:57,772 --> 01:07:00,844
♪ Who denounces all of you
1419
01:07:00,878 --> 01:07:03,709
[energetic music]
1420
01:07:18,896 --> 01:07:21,140
♪ Bad manner round me
1421
01:07:21,175 --> 01:07:23,039
My bed and my
shelving I designed.
1422
01:07:23,073 --> 01:07:26,076
This is based on Frank
Lloyd Wright and his designs
1423
01:07:26,111 --> 01:07:28,492
but the funny thing is is
that Frank Lloyd Wright,
1424
01:07:28,527 --> 01:07:30,977
he did storage, so almost
every one of his houses
1425
01:07:31,012 --> 01:07:33,049
was build without any storage
1426
01:07:33,083 --> 01:07:36,121
so what I did is I
built storage units
1427
01:07:36,155 --> 01:07:39,641
based on his
aesthetic and design.
1428
01:07:41,367 --> 01:07:42,817
It's pretty rude, right?
1429
01:07:42,851 --> 01:07:45,095
- Any project that he
does, it drives me insane
1430
01:07:45,130 --> 01:07:47,166
because the space is very small
1431
01:07:47,201 --> 01:07:51,101
and he takes up the whole space
1432
01:07:51,136 --> 01:07:54,104
whether it's the
kitchen, the living room.
1433
01:07:54,139 --> 01:07:56,451
- In here's where I put
my shitty paintings.
1434
01:07:57,866 --> 01:08:00,110
The latest works I've been
doing have been called
1435
01:08:00,145 --> 01:08:03,320
A Boy's Dream where
I make a variety of
1436
01:08:03,355 --> 01:08:05,495
different war scenes
where there's like
1437
01:08:05,529 --> 01:08:07,600
battleships from
all different eras
1438
01:08:07,635 --> 01:08:09,844
and tanks from all
different eras.
1439
01:08:09,878 --> 01:08:13,261
- I get claustrophobic and
this shit is everywhere.
1440
01:08:13,296 --> 01:08:16,471
- This wall is a
collection of all the weird
1441
01:08:16,506 --> 01:08:18,508
sort of things that
have inspired me
1442
01:08:18,542 --> 01:08:21,027
and then just pieces
that I've worked on
1443
01:08:21,062 --> 01:08:22,719
and then ended up on this shelf.
1444
01:08:22,753 --> 01:08:25,998
- It's like I'm living
in an art studio.
1445
01:08:26,032 --> 01:08:28,034
It doesn't feel like a home.
1446
01:08:28,069 --> 01:08:29,622
- Seven years old,
I made this box.
1447
01:08:29,657 --> 01:08:30,865
- [Un] How did you make it?
1448
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:33,247
- [Ethan] Wood and paint
and then stripped off
1449
01:08:33,281 --> 01:08:34,386
many layers of paint.
1450
01:08:37,975 --> 01:08:41,945
- It just feels like somebody
vomited art everywhere.
1451
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:49,780
- Any good tips
for good parenting?
1452
01:08:49,815 --> 01:08:51,955
- You only have two functions
as a parent in New York
1453
01:08:51,989 --> 01:08:53,715
and every parent
should learn it.
1454
01:08:53,750 --> 01:08:56,062
As long as your kid
does not join gangs
1455
01:08:56,097 --> 01:08:58,134
and does not become
a drug addict,
1456
01:08:58,168 --> 01:09:00,032
you've done a great job.
1457
01:09:00,066 --> 01:09:00,860
[laughing] That's it.
1458
01:09:03,069 --> 01:09:07,591
♪ Turned on the light
when I needed the dark ♪
1459
01:09:07,626 --> 01:09:10,180
- He was a little reluctant
to become a family man.
1460
01:09:10,215 --> 01:09:11,630
I think he's worked through that
1461
01:09:11,664 --> 01:09:14,011
and he's kind of the best
version of himself now
1462
01:09:14,046 --> 01:09:14,874
because of it.
1463
01:09:18,292 --> 01:09:22,710
♪ Took a swim when
I needed to drown ♪
1464
01:09:22,744 --> 01:09:23,538
- My father was
one of the greatest
1465
01:09:23,573 --> 01:09:25,782
workaholics of all time.
1466
01:09:25,816 --> 01:09:28,474
Your mom and I would say
that was one of the things
1467
01:09:28,509 --> 01:09:30,511
that led to our breaking up.
1468
01:09:30,545 --> 01:09:33,928
The expectation that we would
equally divide the work up
1469
01:09:33,962 --> 01:09:36,310
then that's involved
with the care of children
1470
01:09:36,344 --> 01:09:38,588
and your mom thought
that I didn't participate
1471
01:09:38,622 --> 01:09:40,624
in my share and she was right.
1472
01:09:40,659 --> 01:09:44,214
I was so wrapped up in my career
1473
01:09:44,249 --> 01:09:48,391
and working for the firm
and succeeding on my cases
1474
01:09:48,425 --> 01:09:52,809
and I neglected to spend
time with you and Natasha.
1475
01:09:54,466 --> 01:09:58,021
♪ Took a walk but
I needed to run ♪
1476
01:09:58,055 --> 01:10:01,127
- When I first met Ethan,
one phrase stuck with me
1477
01:10:01,162 --> 01:10:03,751
and he told me that he's
never going to stop creating
1478
01:10:03,785 --> 01:10:06,995
no matter what and
I thought, never?
1479
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:08,204
That's crazy.
1480
01:10:08,238 --> 01:10:11,793
After we started dating,
I saw how incredibly
1481
01:10:11,828 --> 01:10:13,519
persistent he was.
1482
01:10:13,554 --> 01:10:16,419
I admire him tremendously.
1483
01:10:16,453 --> 01:10:18,662
I didn't want him
to stop making art
1484
01:10:18,697 --> 01:10:20,630
but after we had the baby,
1485
01:10:20,664 --> 01:10:23,460
I hoped that he would
be more involved
1486
01:10:23,495 --> 01:10:26,256
with taking care of the kid
1487
01:10:26,291 --> 01:10:27,809
'cause when you have a baby,
1488
01:10:27,844 --> 01:10:30,295
you got to sacrifice some stuff
1489
01:10:30,329 --> 01:10:32,262
so it really annoys
me, irritates me
1490
01:10:32,297 --> 01:10:35,714
that he's constantly making art,
1491
01:10:35,748 --> 01:10:40,270
but at the same time, I see
that he is making art now
1492
01:10:40,305 --> 01:10:43,653
with his daughter so that
it became their project,
1493
01:10:43,687 --> 01:10:45,344
not just his project.
1494
01:10:45,379 --> 01:10:46,656
That's pretty amazing.
1495
01:10:52,317 --> 01:10:56,804
♪ There are times
in your songs ♪
1496
01:10:56,838 --> 01:10:58,530
- I like bed that you made.
1497
01:10:58,564 --> 01:10:59,358
Do you wanna see it?
1498
01:10:59,393 --> 01:11:00,739
Come.
- Yeah.
1499
01:11:00,773 --> 01:11:02,430
So who's the best dad ever?
1500
01:11:02,465 --> 01:11:06,020
If your kid is afraid of
monsters under the bed,
1501
01:11:06,054 --> 01:11:08,194
you know what you got
to put under there?
1502
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:09,161
- [Blu] Lights.
1503
01:11:09,195 --> 01:11:10,818
- [Ethan] Lights under the bed.
1504
01:11:10,852 --> 01:11:11,991
- [Blu] Yeah.
1505
01:11:12,026 --> 01:11:13,545
- [Ethan] Yeah, why?
1506
01:11:13,579 --> 01:11:17,445
- So the monsters won't,
the monster will go away.
1507
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:20,137
- Because if you're a monster
and you're hanging out
1508
01:11:20,172 --> 01:11:23,624
under a bed then you
better have sunblock
1509
01:11:23,658 --> 01:11:26,489
'cause this is a
darn bright bed.
1510
01:11:26,523 --> 01:11:30,320
- Yeah because you can't add
it like at the light store.
1511
01:11:30,355 --> 01:11:32,391
- Yeah and before you
skeptics out there say,
1512
01:11:32,426 --> 01:11:35,360
yeah, but you're gonna catch
your kid's bed on fire,
1513
01:11:35,394 --> 01:11:39,156
these are LED and
they're not hot
1514
01:11:39,191 --> 01:11:42,608
and they don't put
out a lot of energy
1515
01:11:42,643 --> 01:11:45,542
so energy efficient
keeps the monsters away.
1516
01:11:46,681 --> 01:11:47,579
Any last words?
- Yeah and it puts,
1517
01:11:47,613 --> 01:11:50,858
LEDs explodes the monsters.
1518
01:11:50,892 --> 01:11:52,169
- [Ethan] But now we
spend a lot of time
1519
01:11:52,204 --> 01:11:53,378
under the bed, right?
1520
01:11:53,412 --> 01:11:55,621
- [Blu] Yeah and now
we can explore it.
1521
01:11:56,726 --> 01:12:01,558
- Okay so best dad
ever, yeah, right here.
1522
01:12:01,593 --> 01:12:03,802
[drumming]
1523
01:12:06,287 --> 01:12:08,496
My very first girlfriend,
1524
01:12:08,531 --> 01:12:10,360
I was like deeply
in love with her
1525
01:12:10,395 --> 01:12:13,190
and it turned out she
slept with basically
1526
01:12:13,225 --> 01:12:14,399
everybody I knew.
1527
01:12:14,433 --> 01:12:17,436
It was hard to really
trust anybody thoroughly
1528
01:12:17,471 --> 01:12:19,852
after that had happened to you.
1529
01:12:19,887 --> 01:12:22,165
I didn't date anybody
that I didn't like.
1530
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:23,994
I think my major problem is that
1531
01:12:24,029 --> 01:12:26,238
I always felt like I was
going to be abandoned
1532
01:12:26,272 --> 01:12:28,827
so if I had the opportunity
to fall in love with somebody,
1533
01:12:28,861 --> 01:12:30,104
I would.
1534
01:12:30,138 --> 01:12:31,554
The problem is is
that I've probably
1535
01:12:31,588 --> 01:12:34,211
fallen in love with too many
people at the same time.
1536
01:12:34,246 --> 01:12:36,144
I don't think I ever
did anything really bad
1537
01:12:36,179 --> 01:12:37,594
to the girls I dated.
1538
01:12:37,629 --> 01:12:40,321
I really did care for
every single one of them,
1539
01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:45,361
but I dated multiple people
and feelings were hurt.
1540
01:12:47,915 --> 01:12:49,917
My friends who
worked in the bars
1541
01:12:49,951 --> 01:12:51,401
were always saying, like look.
1542
01:12:51,436 --> 01:12:53,852
If you have a kid, it's
definitely gonna be a girl
1543
01:12:53,886 --> 01:12:56,302
and you're gonna
suffer the consequence
1544
01:12:56,337 --> 01:13:00,376
of all the things you've done
to these women you've dated.
1545
01:13:03,793 --> 01:13:06,761
As a kid I was watching
PBS and there was
1546
01:13:06,796 --> 01:13:09,799
a documentary on an animator
1547
01:13:09,833 --> 01:13:12,008
who worked on the
Betty Boop shows.
1548
01:13:12,042 --> 01:13:14,976
The guy just seemed
to emanate happiness
1549
01:13:15,011 --> 01:13:17,427
and then the name comes up
on the bottom of the credits
1550
01:13:17,462 --> 01:13:20,361
and his name was Grim,
the most depressing name
1551
01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:21,914
you could ever have on a person
1552
01:13:21,949 --> 01:13:24,469
is name your son Grim.
1553
01:13:24,503 --> 01:13:26,436
I had this thought like, well,
1554
01:13:26,471 --> 01:13:28,783
there's so many
people that I know
1555
01:13:28,818 --> 01:13:30,544
that are named Happy and Smiley
1556
01:13:30,578 --> 01:13:32,511
and they're all
miserable fucking people
1557
01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:35,756
so if I'm gonna have a kid,
1558
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:37,861
I'm gonna name it something sad
1559
01:13:37,896 --> 01:13:39,242
but I'm not gonna call him Sad
1560
01:13:39,276 --> 01:13:41,451
and I'm definitely not
gonna call him Grim,
1561
01:13:41,486 --> 01:13:44,454
so Blu was a name
that I came up with
1562
01:13:44,489 --> 01:13:46,594
because Blue represents sadness,
1563
01:13:46,629 --> 01:13:48,078
it represents color.
1564
01:13:48,113 --> 01:13:50,943
It could potentially be
the name of a stripper,
1565
01:13:50,978 --> 01:13:53,636
but for my daughter,
I felt if I gave
1566
01:13:53,670 --> 01:13:58,399
the Johnny Cash name A Boy
Named Sue element to it
1567
01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:00,677
and name her
something that's sad,
1568
01:14:00,712 --> 01:14:03,093
she'll have a life
filled with joy.
1569
01:14:03,128 --> 01:14:07,960
♪ You're walking with
an angel going home ♪
1570
01:14:13,345 --> 01:14:14,795
You look silly.
1571
01:14:15,692 --> 01:14:17,107
[screeching]
1572
01:14:17,142 --> 01:14:18,937
You should look at yourself.
1573
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,359
When I did have a daughter,
1574
01:14:27,393 --> 01:14:31,225
I had this first instinct
of like all these boys
1575
01:14:31,259 --> 01:14:33,296
are gonna do such horrible
things to my daughter.
1576
01:14:33,330 --> 01:14:35,954
Then I said, wait a
minute, that's ridiculous,
1577
01:14:35,988 --> 01:14:38,474
and in fact, I'm gonna give
her all of the knowledge
1578
01:14:38,508 --> 01:14:41,477
of what it's like coming
from a boy's perspective.
1579
01:14:41,511 --> 01:14:43,271
If anything, I think
I'm gonna have to be
1580
01:14:43,306 --> 01:14:44,652
pulling aside that little boy
1581
01:14:44,687 --> 01:14:46,067
and saying like,
I'm really sorry
1582
01:14:46,102 --> 01:14:48,207
whatever my daughter's
about to do to you.
1583
01:14:51,417 --> 01:14:53,523
- I'm sure having a
kid changed your world.
1584
01:14:54,904 --> 01:14:56,319
I'm sure on a certain level,
1585
01:14:56,353 --> 01:14:57,838
not that you weren't serious
about your art before,
1586
01:14:57,872 --> 01:15:00,392
you were probably
serious as death,
1587
01:15:00,426 --> 01:15:02,359
but this is a different
kind of seriousness.
1588
01:15:02,394 --> 01:15:04,672
It's a more mature
kind of seriousness.
1589
01:15:04,707 --> 01:15:05,604
Bigger pressure.
1590
01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:12,128
♪ Took a smoke
'cause I needed one ♪
1591
01:15:12,162 --> 01:15:13,854
- I want the door.
- All right, now flat.
1592
01:15:13,888 --> 01:15:15,752
- [Blu] I want the
door to be open.
1593
01:15:15,787 --> 01:15:18,341
- [Ethan] Okay
here, here you go.
1594
01:15:18,375 --> 01:15:19,860
Lie down and flat.
1595
01:15:21,137 --> 01:15:22,828
Okay, where should I lie down?
1596
01:15:22,863 --> 01:15:24,174
- Here.
1597
01:15:24,209 --> 01:15:25,624
That one.
1598
01:15:25,659 --> 01:15:30,456
- Blu sits in a bed and
her father sits next to her
1599
01:15:31,043 --> 01:15:32,113
reading a book.
1600
01:15:33,598 --> 01:15:35,116
You know, I spend a lot
of time reading kids books
1601
01:15:35,151 --> 01:15:36,911
and the majority of
them are horrible
1602
01:15:36,946 --> 01:15:41,157
so yeah, I'm gonna make a
kids book with my daughter.
1603
01:15:41,191 --> 01:15:44,367
♪ Someone has told me
1604
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:47,612
Oh no.
1605
01:15:48,820 --> 01:15:50,131
How many kids out
there can say that
1606
01:15:50,166 --> 01:15:52,548
they actually have
a book about them?
1607
01:15:55,205 --> 01:15:57,794
I don't see a difference
between parenting
1608
01:15:57,829 --> 01:15:59,175
and being an artist.
1609
01:16:03,351 --> 01:16:05,457
My daughter is the
greatest art project
1610
01:16:05,491 --> 01:16:06,527
I've ever made.
1611
01:16:16,641 --> 01:16:19,022
[grunting]
1612
01:16:19,057 --> 01:16:21,507
[gun firing]
1613
01:16:24,821 --> 01:16:27,410
[upbeat music]
1614
01:16:32,553 --> 01:16:35,004
- One of Ethan's gifts
and I'll give him this
1615
01:16:35,038 --> 01:16:37,351
begrudgingly because
he doesn't deserve
1616
01:16:37,385 --> 01:16:40,665
any praise whatsoever is that
1617
01:16:40,699 --> 01:16:45,359
his entire life from when
he wakes up in the morning
1618
01:16:45,393 --> 01:16:48,396
from the very first
moment he opens his eyes
1619
01:16:48,431 --> 01:16:51,434
'till the moment
he closes his eyes,
1620
01:16:51,468 --> 01:16:56,197
he's thinking about ways
he can challenge himself
1621
01:16:56,232 --> 01:16:59,856
and his cohorts
into being creative
1622
01:16:59,891 --> 01:17:04,896
and do acts that transcend
the banality of daily life.
1623
01:17:06,691 --> 01:17:08,071
[applauding]
1624
01:17:08,106 --> 01:17:09,521
- [Man] This is
the third year here
1625
01:17:09,555 --> 01:17:10,729
and we're trying to
build community really of
1626
01:17:10,764 --> 01:17:12,593
the avant garde and
conceptual artists
1627
01:17:12,628 --> 01:17:14,284
and creative people
that have made
1628
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:17,322
major contributions to
the scene that we know.
1629
01:17:18,979 --> 01:17:20,325
[applauding]
- He's the box artist.
1630
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:22,430
He's a writer, an artist.
1631
01:17:23,639 --> 01:17:25,123
- I would just like to
say that I wasn't sure
1632
01:17:25,157 --> 01:17:27,228
if I sure put the
switchblade on there.
1633
01:17:27,263 --> 01:17:28,885
I think I did right by that.
1634
01:17:34,684 --> 01:17:37,273
[upbeat music]
1635
01:17:41,622 --> 01:17:44,556
♪ Over the horizon we go
1636
01:17:44,590 --> 01:17:47,628
♪ Over and over let's go
1637
01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:52,668
♪ Ghosts of all I've
known have let go ♪
1638
01:17:53,807 --> 01:17:58,018
It's hard to reconcile
that my own desperation
1639
01:17:58,881 --> 01:18:01,124
might have helped somebody else.
1640
01:18:01,159 --> 01:18:04,196
We did become a starting
place for a lot of artists.
1641
01:18:04,231 --> 01:18:07,096
We gave a lot of
people opportunities
1642
01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:10,513
and more importantly, it gave
myself a lot of opportunities.
1643
01:18:10,547 --> 01:18:12,791
Being able to travel around
the world and make art
1644
01:18:12,826 --> 01:18:15,967
if it wasn't for the
Antagonist Art Movement
1645
01:18:16,001 --> 01:18:19,246
and that wouldn't have happened
if I didn't do the fanzines
1646
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,524
and in some regards, that
wouldn't have happened
1647
01:18:21,558 --> 01:18:24,078
if my parents
didn't get divorced
1648
01:18:24,113 --> 01:18:27,530
and if my mother didn't tell
me about the big black void
1649
01:18:27,564 --> 01:18:30,291
and if they didn't
discover I was dyslexic.
1650
01:18:30,326 --> 01:18:33,260
One thing leads into another.
1651
01:18:33,294 --> 01:18:35,641
[screaming]
1652
01:18:38,506 --> 01:18:39,749
It's all over.
1653
01:18:39,784 --> 01:18:41,302
I hope more people go out there
1654
01:18:41,337 --> 01:18:43,926
and make films just like
this 'cause I'll watch it.
1655
01:18:45,755 --> 01:18:47,481
Unless you're boring.
1656
01:18:47,515 --> 01:18:48,654
- When you're
interviewing people,
1657
01:18:48,689 --> 01:18:51,416
do you have to be naked
behind the camera?
1658
01:18:51,450 --> 01:18:55,351
- Why am I wearing this
fucking camo suit? [laughing]
1659
01:18:55,385 --> 01:18:59,286
♪ Letting go of my ego
1660
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,667
- There is a message
behind this film.
1661
01:19:01,702 --> 01:19:04,153
I didn't make it for the people
who were already inspired
1662
01:19:04,187 --> 01:19:06,189
or those who need
to be inspired.
1663
01:19:06,224 --> 01:19:08,744
This is for all the
naysayers in your life,
1664
01:19:08,778 --> 01:19:11,608
all the people who told you
you couldn't chase your dreams,
1665
01:19:11,643 --> 01:19:14,508
that you needed to grow
up and to get a real job,
1666
01:19:14,542 --> 01:19:16,406
that your work had no value,
1667
01:19:16,441 --> 01:19:21,446
so lean in, open
your ears and listen.
1668
01:19:23,068 --> 01:19:24,242
Fuck you!
1669
01:19:25,243 --> 01:19:27,176
[applauding]
1670
01:19:27,210 --> 01:19:30,800
Don't forget to grab
fanzines, I have them.
1671
01:19:36,254 --> 01:19:38,808
♪ My love
1672
01:19:38,843 --> 01:19:41,742
♪ Real love
1673
01:19:41,777 --> 01:19:46,782
♪ Find love for yourself
1674
01:19:51,821 --> 01:19:54,444
♪ Real love
1675
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,482
♪ Easy love
1676
01:19:57,516 --> 01:20:00,554
♪ Find love for yourself
1677
01:20:00,588 --> 01:20:05,593
♪ Find love for yourself
1678
01:20:07,181 --> 01:20:10,012
♪ To find love
1679
01:20:10,046 --> 01:20:13,291
♪ Real love
1680
01:20:13,325 --> 01:20:15,776
♪ Cherish love
1681
01:20:15,811 --> 01:20:18,227
♪ for yourself
1682
01:20:18,261 --> 01:20:20,816
[upbeat music]
1683
01:20:28,996 --> 01:20:31,861
♪ Find love
1684
01:20:31,896 --> 01:20:34,726
♪ Real love
1685
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,867
♪ Find love
1686
01:20:37,902 --> 01:20:40,939
♪ for yourself
1687
01:20:40,974 --> 01:20:43,908
♪ for yourself
1688
01:20:43,942 --> 01:20:46,531
♪ for yourself
1689
01:21:01,235 --> 01:21:04,135
[static crackling]
1690
01:21:07,932 --> 01:21:08,967
- That's all, folks.
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