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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,444 --> 00:00:12,544 >> On this episode of "death row stories" -- 2 00:00:12,546 --> 00:00:14,113 row stories" -- >> we had a stabbing homicide. 3 00:00:14,115 --> 00:00:15,214 >> We had a stabbing homicide. >> -- A brutal murder in a 4 00:00:15,216 --> 00:00:15,748 >> -- a brutal murder in a Phoenix bar -- 5 00:00:15,750 --> 00:00:17,549 Phoenix bar -- >> she was on her back. Her 6 00:00:17,551 --> 00:00:18,417 >> she was on her back. Her clothing was strewn around the 7 00:00:18,419 --> 00:00:18,884 clothing was strewn around the restroom. 8 00:00:18,886 --> 00:00:22,054 Restroom. >> -- And a gruesome signature 9 00:00:22,056 --> 00:00:22,688 >> -- and a gruesome signature left at the scene. 10 00:00:22,690 --> 00:00:25,057 Left at the scene. >> We thought we had a murder 11 00:00:25,059 --> 00:00:25,758 >> we thought we had a murder with a disfigured tooth. 12 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,626 With a disfigured tooth. >> Crooked teeth put bite-Mark 13 00:00:27,628 --> 00:00:29,628 >> crooked teeth put bite-Mark science on trial and an air 14 00:00:29,630 --> 00:00:30,396 science on trial and an air force veteran on death row. 15 00:00:30,398 --> 00:00:33,766 Force veteran on death row. >> There was no way that raised 16 00:00:33,768 --> 00:00:36,035 >> there was no way that raised teeth could have made those 17 00:00:36,037 --> 00:00:36,435 teeth could have made those marks. 18 00:00:36,437 --> 00:00:40,072 Marks. >> The blood didn't match. The 19 00:00:40,074 --> 00:00:40,806 >> the blood didn't match. The fingerprints didn't match. 20 00:00:40,808 --> 00:00:43,042 Fingerprints didn't match. >> They hid this evidence until 21 00:00:43,044 --> 00:00:43,709 >> they hid this evidence until the very last minute. 22 00:00:43,711 --> 00:00:44,710 The very last minute. >> They wanted the death 23 00:00:44,712 --> 00:00:46,045 >> they wanted the death penalty. They were gonna do 24 00:00:46,047 --> 00:00:47,212 penalty. They were gonna do everything they could to make 25 00:00:47,214 --> 00:00:47,813 everything they could to make sure it happened. 26 00:00:47,815 --> 00:00:48,781 Sure it happened. >> This was our justice system. 27 00:00:48,783 --> 00:00:49,581 >> This was our justice system. But it turned out that this 28 00:00:49,583 --> 00:00:50,315 but it turned out that this system be about the truth. 29 00:00:50,317 --> 00:00:51,884 System be about the truth. >> There's a body in the water. 30 00:00:51,886 --> 00:00:53,752 >> There's a body in the water. >> He was butchered and 31 00:00:53,754 --> 00:00:54,219 >> he was butchered and murdered. 32 00:00:54,221 --> 00:00:55,287 Murdered. >> Many people proclaim their 33 00:00:55,289 --> 00:00:55,754 >> many people proclaim their innocence. 34 00:00:55,756 --> 00:01:00,959 Innocence. >> In this case, there are a 35 00:01:00,961 --> 00:01:01,727 >> in this case, there are a number of things that stink. 36 00:01:01,729 --> 00:01:02,628 Number of things that stink. >> This man is remorseless. 37 00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:04,863 >> This man is remorseless. >> He needs to pay for it with 38 00:01:04,865 --> 00:01:05,330 >> he needs to pay for it with his life. 39 00:01:05,332 --> 00:01:07,266 His life. >> The electric chair flashed 40 00:01:07,268 --> 00:01:07,900 >> the electric chair flashed in front of my eyes. 41 00:01:07,902 --> 00:01:09,401 In front of my eyes. >> Get a conviction at all 42 00:01:09,403 --> 00:01:10,235 >> get a conviction at all costs. Let the truth fall where 43 00:01:10,237 --> 00:01:10,636 costs. Let the truth fall where it may. 44 00:01:27,655 --> 00:01:29,655 1991. Kim ancona was a single mother. She had just had a 45 00:01:29,657 --> 00:01:31,223 mother. She had just had a wonderful new thing in her 46 00:01:31,225 --> 00:01:32,825 wonderful new thing in her life. She was a bartender who 47 00:01:32,827 --> 00:01:33,959 life. She was a bartender who had just been made a manager of 48 00:01:33,961 --> 00:01:35,160 had just been made a manager of the CBS bar in Phoenix, 49 00:01:35,162 --> 00:01:36,328 the CBS bar in Phoenix, Arizona. The CBS lounge was a 50 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:37,496 Arizona. The CBS lounge was a nice bar to go to. It was in a 51 00:01:37,498 --> 00:01:43,969 nice bar to go to. It was in a strip mall in Phoenix. 52 00:01:43,971 --> 00:01:56,315 Strip mall in Phoenix. >> I worked literally right 53 00:01:56,317 --> 00:01:57,116 >> I worked literally right behind the bar she was working 54 00:01:57,118 --> 00:01:57,749 behind the bar she was working at, so I would stop on my way 55 00:01:57,751 --> 00:01:58,383 at, so I would stop on my way into work or on my way home 56 00:01:58,385 --> 00:01:59,818 into work or on my way home from work, stop in and hang out 57 00:01:59,820 --> 00:02:01,787 from work, stop in and hang out with her, have a couple of 58 00:02:01,789 --> 00:02:07,759 with her, have a couple of cokes, and play darts. I would 59 00:02:07,761 --> 00:02:08,360 cokes, and play darts. I would see her every day. 60 00:02:08,362 --> 00:02:10,028 See her every day. >> That night, when we were 61 00:02:10,030 --> 00:02:11,296 >> that night, when we were getting ready to leave the bar, 62 00:02:11,298 --> 00:02:12,231 getting ready to leave the bar, for Kim closing up, we asked 63 00:02:12,233 --> 00:02:14,500 for Kim closing up, we asked her if she needed any help. She 64 00:02:14,502 --> 00:02:15,868 her if she needed any help. She said no, that she was going 65 00:02:15,870 --> 00:02:16,268 said no, that she was going home. 66 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:19,304 Home. >> She had called me and asked 67 00:02:19,306 --> 00:02:21,473 >> she had called me and asked me if I could find her a bag of 68 00:02:21,475 --> 00:02:24,776 me if I could find her a bag of weed, and I told her I would 69 00:02:24,778 --> 00:02:26,745 weed, and I told her I would try. And I called her back 70 00:02:26,747 --> 00:02:28,480 try. And I called her back later. I was unsuccessful, and 71 00:02:28,482 --> 00:02:36,922 later. I was unsuccessful, and she said that was fine. And 72 00:02:36,924 --> 00:02:37,890 she said that was fine. And that was the last time I spoke 73 00:02:37,892 --> 00:02:38,323 that was the last time I spoke to her. 74 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:39,591 To her. >> In the early-morning hours 75 00:02:39,593 --> 00:02:43,829 >> in the early-morning hours of December 29, 1991, the owner 76 00:02:43,831 --> 00:02:46,732 of December 29, 1991, the owner of the CBS lounge arrived to 77 00:02:46,734 --> 00:02:47,266 of the CBS lounge arrived to open the bar. 78 00:02:47,268 --> 00:02:50,636 Open the bar. >> The first thing he noticed 79 00:02:50,638 --> 00:02:51,770 >> the first thing he noticed was that the front door was 80 00:02:51,772 --> 00:02:53,138 was that the front door was open. It had not been locked. 81 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:55,040 Open. It had not been locked. So he went in. Everything 82 00:02:55,042 --> 00:02:59,611 so he went in. Everything looked like it had been cleaned 83 00:02:59,613 --> 00:03:04,383 looked like it had been cleaned up. But he noticed that Kim 84 00:03:04,385 --> 00:03:05,350 up. But he noticed that Kim ancona's purse was on the bar. 85 00:03:05,352 --> 00:03:06,218 Ancona's purse was on the bar. Then he went into the men's 86 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:06,885 then he went into the men's room and saw her body. 87 00:03:06,887 --> 00:03:11,590 Room and saw her body. >> I got a call to roll up to 88 00:03:11,592 --> 00:03:14,326 >> I got a call to roll up to 17th Avenue in camelback, which 89 00:03:14,328 --> 00:03:15,794 17th Avenue in camelback, which is where CBS was. We had a 90 00:03:15,796 --> 00:03:17,162 is where CBS was. We had a stabbing homicide. There could 91 00:03:17,164 --> 00:03:17,896 stabbing homicide. There could have been sexual assault. 92 00:03:17,898 --> 00:03:21,800 Have been sexual assault. >> She was on her back. She was 93 00:03:21,802 --> 00:03:23,435 >> she was on her back. She was naked. Her clothing was strewn 94 00:03:23,437 --> 00:03:26,205 naked. Her clothing was strewn around the restroom. It had 95 00:03:26,207 --> 00:03:29,408 around the restroom. It had been cut off her body. She had 96 00:03:29,410 --> 00:03:30,709 been cut off her body. She had multiple wounds around her neck, 97 00:03:30,711 --> 00:03:31,109 multiple wounds around her neck, around her body. 98 00:03:31,111 --> 00:03:33,312 Around her body. >> Kim ancona had been stabbed 99 00:03:33,314 --> 00:03:35,614 >> Kim ancona had been stabbed from behind multiple times with 100 00:03:35,616 --> 00:03:36,882 from behind multiple times with a kitchen knife. Detectives 101 00:03:36,884 --> 00:03:38,584 a kitchen knife. Detectives found the murder weapon in the 102 00:03:38,586 --> 00:03:39,218 found the murder weapon in the bathroom trash can. 103 00:03:39,220 --> 00:03:46,692 Bathroom trash can. >> The knife was actually bent 104 00:03:46,694 --> 00:03:49,061 >> the knife was actually bent significantly. Later, at 105 00:03:49,063 --> 00:03:50,862 significantly. Later, at autopsy, it was determined that 106 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:51,930 autopsy, it was determined that probably occurred when the 107 00:03:51,932 --> 00:03:53,799 probably occurred when the knife hit bone, which indicates, 108 00:03:53,801 --> 00:03:54,833 knife hit bone, which indicates, you know, somebody very 109 00:03:54,835 --> 00:03:59,671 you know, somebody very powerfully stabbed her. So this 110 00:03:59,673 --> 00:04:00,239 powerfully stabbed her. So this was just a horrific crime. 111 00:04:00,241 --> 00:04:05,677 Was just a horrific crime. >> I was riding my 10-speed to 112 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:08,880 >> I was riding my 10-speed to work and cutting through that 113 00:04:08,882 --> 00:04:12,918 work and cutting through that parking lot, and I saw the 114 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,720 parking lot, and I saw the yellow tape around her car. And 115 00:04:14,722 --> 00:04:15,887 yellow tape around her car. And as I rode up, I wanted to see 116 00:04:15,889 --> 00:04:21,927 as I rode up, I wanted to see what was going on, because, of 117 00:04:21,929 --> 00:04:24,062 what was going on, because, of course, my mom's car is covered 118 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:26,131 course, my mom's car is covered in tape. And one of the 119 00:04:26,133 --> 00:04:27,799 in tape. And one of the detectives took me aside, and 120 00:04:27,801 --> 00:04:30,335 detectives took me aside, and he said that my mother is no 121 00:04:30,337 --> 00:04:36,642 he said that my mother is no longer with US and that she has 122 00:04:36,644 --> 00:04:40,812 longer with US and that she has been killed. I was in shock. I 123 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:45,217 been killed. I was in shock. I couldn't believe it. Be honest, 124 00:04:45,219 --> 00:04:46,451 couldn't believe it. Be honest, I'm still in shock, you know? 125 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:50,589 I'm still in shock, you know? It's probably the worst thing 126 00:04:50,591 --> 00:04:51,390 it's probably the worst thing that I could have ever heard. 127 00:04:51,392 --> 00:04:57,729 That I could have ever heard. >> At the crime scene, police 128 00:04:57,731 --> 00:05:00,265 >> at the crime scene, police examined Kim's body and 129 00:05:00,267 --> 00:05:01,233 examined Kim's body and discovered strange marks on her 130 00:05:01,235 --> 00:05:01,633 discovered strange marks on her torso. 131 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:06,972 Torso. >> They saw on the body lesions, 132 00:05:06,974 --> 00:05:08,440 >> they saw on the body lesions, it looked like bite marks, both 133 00:05:08,442 --> 00:05:09,274 it looked like bite marks, both on her neck and on her left 134 00:05:09,276 --> 00:05:10,642 on her neck and on her left breast. So they called a 135 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:11,610 breast. So they called a dentist who worked for the 136 00:05:11,612 --> 00:05:13,278 dentist who worked for the medical examiner's office, Dr. 137 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:13,779 Medical examiner's office, Dr. John piakis. 138 00:05:13,781 --> 00:05:23,255 John piakis. >> They were distinctive bite 139 00:05:23,257 --> 00:05:24,289 >> they were distinctive bite marks, and the teeth didn't 140 00:05:24,291 --> 00:05:25,257 marks, and the teeth didn't really line up the way you 141 00:05:25,259 --> 00:05:26,992 really line up the way you would see them on your crest 142 00:05:26,994 --> 00:05:27,993 would see them on your crest commercial or whatever. So we 143 00:05:27,995 --> 00:05:28,827 commercial or whatever. So we thought we had somebody with a 144 00:05:28,829 --> 00:05:29,428 thought we had somebody with a disfigured tooth. 145 00:05:29,430 --> 00:05:30,896 Disfigured tooth. >> Police began questioning the 146 00:05:30,898 --> 00:05:32,731 >> police began questioning the bar's patrons and employees. 147 00:05:32,733 --> 00:05:33,432 Bar's patrons and employees. One name kept coming up. 148 00:05:33,434 --> 00:05:37,502 One name kept coming up. >> Several people that we 149 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:38,804 >> several people that we talked to got the name ray as 150 00:05:38,806 --> 00:05:40,238 talked to got the name ray as somebody that she had been out 151 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:40,639 somebody that she had been out with. 152 00:05:40,641 --> 00:05:44,109 With. >> Some of Kim ancona's friends 153 00:05:44,111 --> 00:05:45,944 >> some of Kim ancona's friends told the police that ray was a 154 00:05:45,946 --> 00:05:47,746 told the police that ray was a friend of hers. They had 155 00:05:47,748 --> 00:05:49,348 friend of hers. They had suggested he's like a 156 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:50,582 suggested he's like a boyfriend. So they thought, 157 00:05:50,584 --> 00:05:52,951 boyfriend. So they thought, "well, we're gonna go talk to 158 00:05:52,953 --> 00:05:53,385 "well, we're gonna go talk to ray." 159 00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:57,289 Ray." >> 35-five-year old ray krone 160 00:05:57,291 --> 00:05:58,623 >> 35-five-year old ray krone live just a few blocks from the 161 00:05:58,625 --> 00:06:00,325 live just a few blocks from the CBS lounge. A mailman with no 162 00:06:00,327 --> 00:06:01,560 CBS lounge. A mailman with no criminal record, he was a 163 00:06:01,562 --> 00:06:02,194 criminal record, he was a regular at the bar. 164 00:06:02,196 --> 00:06:05,163 Regular at the bar. >> I had heard his name before, 165 00:06:05,165 --> 00:06:06,631 >> I had heard his name before, 'cause my mom had a little bit 166 00:06:06,633 --> 00:06:08,133 'cause my mom had a little bit of a crush on him, thought he 167 00:06:08,135 --> 00:06:10,369 of a crush on him, thought he was a handsome guy. The one 168 00:06:10,371 --> 00:06:12,304 was a handsome guy. The one time I did see him at the bar, 169 00:06:12,306 --> 00:06:13,772 time I did see him at the bar, my mother had asked him to 170 00:06:13,774 --> 00:06:15,807 my mother had asked him to substitute on her dart team at 171 00:06:15,809 --> 00:06:18,777 substitute on her dart team at the end of the dart tournament, 172 00:06:18,779 --> 00:06:22,881 the end of the dart tournament, she asked him to pay the entry 173 00:06:22,883 --> 00:06:27,552 she asked him to pay the entry fee, and he got really upset. 174 00:06:27,554 --> 00:06:28,954 Fee, and he got really upset. He raised his voice and pretty 175 00:06:28,956 --> 00:06:29,721 he raised his voice and pretty much stormed out of the bar. 176 00:06:29,723 --> 00:06:34,593 Much stormed out of the bar. >> I went over to his house. 177 00:06:34,595 --> 00:06:35,360 >> I went over to his house. It's really not far from the 178 00:06:35,362 --> 00:06:36,361 it's really not far from the bar. He responded to our 179 00:06:36,363 --> 00:06:37,596 bar. He responded to our questions. The key, as far as 180 00:06:37,598 --> 00:06:39,030 questions. The key, as far as we were concerned, was he 181 00:06:39,032 --> 00:06:39,765 we were concerned, was he didn't have perfect teeth. 182 00:06:39,767 --> 00:06:45,837 Didn't have perfect teeth. >> Krone denied being in a 183 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,306 >> krone denied being in a relationship with Kim ancona, 184 00:06:48,308 --> 00:06:50,842 relationship with Kim ancona, and his roommate told police he 185 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:52,844 and his roommate told police he had been home all night. Police 186 00:06:52,846 --> 00:06:55,046 had been home all night. Police brought krone to the station 187 00:06:55,048 --> 00:06:57,182 brought krone to the station and collected samples of his 188 00:06:57,184 --> 00:06:57,883 and collected samples of his hair, saliva, and blood. 189 00:06:57,885 --> 00:07:00,619 Hair, saliva, and blood. >> And at the end of the 190 00:07:00,621 --> 00:07:03,622 >> and at the end of the interview, they asked ray to 191 00:07:03,624 --> 00:07:05,257 interview, they asked ray to bite into this section of the 192 00:07:05,259 --> 00:07:06,825 bite into this section of the styrofoam paper plate. And then 193 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:08,160 styrofoam paper plate. And then they took that to Dr. Piakis, 194 00:07:08,162 --> 00:07:09,428 they took that to Dr. Piakis, and Dr. Piakis said, "well, 195 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:10,662 and Dr. Piakis said, "well, that's consistent with the 196 00:07:10,664 --> 00:07:11,129 that's consistent with the murderer." 197 00:07:11,131 --> 00:07:13,165 Murderer." >> police took impressions of 198 00:07:13,167 --> 00:07:14,299 >> police took impressions of krone's teeth to create a 199 00:07:14,301 --> 00:07:15,834 krone's teeth to create a plaster model. When they 200 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:17,436 plaster model. When they compared them to the bite marks 201 00:07:17,438 --> 00:07:20,739 compared them to the bite marks on Kim's body, they appeared to 202 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:22,908 on Kim's body, they appeared to line up. A day later, on new 203 00:07:22,910 --> 00:07:24,676 line up. A day later, on new year's Eve, ray krone was 204 00:07:24,678 --> 00:07:29,214 year's Eve, ray krone was arrested and charged with 205 00:07:29,216 --> 00:07:32,684 arrested and charged with kidnapping, sexual assault, and 206 00:07:32,686 --> 00:07:33,118 kidnapping, sexual assault, and murder. 207 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,486 Murder. >> I was 14 when that happened. 208 00:07:34,488 --> 00:07:38,990 >> I was 14 when that happened. >> I believe it was a day or 209 00:07:38,992 --> 00:07:40,091 >> I believe it was a day or two before the funeral. I had 210 00:07:40,093 --> 00:07:41,193 two before the funeral. I had heard that on the news, they 211 00:07:41,195 --> 00:07:43,128 heard that on the news, they had caught somebody, and they 212 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:44,996 had caught somebody, and they said his name. It didn't help 213 00:07:44,998 --> 00:07:48,867 said his name. It didn't help very much, but I had some 214 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:50,168 very much, but I had some relief that the person who did 215 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:50,936 relief that the person who did it was going to be punished. 216 00:07:50,938 --> 00:07:52,737 It was going to be punished. >> Krone's court-appointed 217 00:07:52,739 --> 00:07:53,638 >> krone's court-appointed attorney suggested he plead 218 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,840 attorney suggested he plead guilty and take a deal. He 219 00:07:54,842 --> 00:07:55,273 guilty and take a deal. He refused. 220 00:07:55,275 --> 00:07:59,544 Refused. >> He wasn't gonna take a deal. 221 00:07:59,546 --> 00:08:01,413 >> He wasn't gonna take a deal. He said, "I didn't do it." And 222 00:08:01,415 --> 00:08:02,981 he said, "I didn't do it." And I will tell you that in the 20 223 00:08:02,983 --> 00:08:04,282 I will tell you that in the 20 years I was in homicide, I 224 00:08:04,284 --> 00:08:05,250 years I was in homicide, I heard that every time -- "i 225 00:08:05,252 --> 00:08:05,784 heard that every time -- "i didn't do it." 226 00:08:05,786 --> 00:08:15,861 Didn't do it." >> Ray krone's trial began on 227 00:08:15,863 --> 00:08:17,963 >> ray krone's trial began on July 29, 1992. Veteran 228 00:08:17,965 --> 00:08:20,198 July 29, 1992. Veteran prosecutor Noel Levy was 229 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,500 prosecutor Noel Levy was determined to seek the death 230 00:08:21,502 --> 00:08:21,933 determined to seek the death penalty. 231 00:08:21,935 --> 00:08:24,736 Penalty. >> Noel Levy was a career 232 00:08:24,738 --> 00:08:26,137 >> Noel Levy was a career prosecutor who had a very good 233 00:08:26,139 --> 00:08:28,073 prosecutor who had a very good reputation, had done a number 234 00:08:28,075 --> 00:08:29,875 reputation, had done a number of very high-profile cases. He 235 00:08:29,877 --> 00:08:31,743 of very high-profile cases. He had a background in the 236 00:08:31,745 --> 00:08:33,812 had a background in the military. He was a military 237 00:08:33,814 --> 00:08:34,479 military. He was a military intelligence officer. 238 00:08:34,481 --> 00:08:39,084 Intelligence officer. >> Levy would focus his case on 239 00:08:39,086 --> 00:08:40,852 >> Levy would focus his case on the bite marks left behind by 240 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:43,455 the bite marks left behind by the killer. His star witness 241 00:08:43,457 --> 00:08:45,957 the killer. His star witness was Dr. Raymond rawson, a 242 00:08:45,959 --> 00:08:50,629 was Dr. Raymond rawson, a dentist and Nevada state 243 00:08:50,631 --> 00:08:52,063 dentist and Nevada state senator. On the stand, rawson 244 00:08:52,065 --> 00:08:53,231 senator. On the stand, rawson produced a compelling exhibit 245 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:54,566 produced a compelling exhibit -- a video comparing krone's 246 00:08:54,568 --> 00:08:56,434 -- a video comparing krone's teeth to the marks on Kim's 247 00:08:56,436 --> 00:08:56,868 teeth to the marks on Kim's body. 248 00:08:56,870 --> 00:09:00,572 Body. >> I had never seen a videotape 249 00:09:00,574 --> 00:09:02,307 >> I had never seen a videotape of that type ever used by 250 00:09:02,309 --> 00:09:04,376 of that type ever used by anyone else. It took hundreds 251 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:05,944 anyone else. It took hundreds and hundreds of hours to create 252 00:09:05,946 --> 00:09:07,445 and hundreds of hours to create that video. He used two cameras, 253 00:09:07,447 --> 00:09:12,717 that video. He used two cameras, and then he put the pictures 254 00:09:12,719 --> 00:09:13,985 and then he put the pictures together, and that videotape 255 00:09:13,987 --> 00:09:14,452 together, and that videotape was very convincing. 256 00:09:14,454 --> 00:09:18,456 Was very convincing. >> Kim's oldest son, Chris, sat 257 00:09:18,458 --> 00:09:19,057 >> Kim's oldest son, Chris, sat in the courtroom. 258 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:25,964 In the courtroom. >> It was really hard. So, I 259 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:28,567 >> it was really hard. So, I was only 18 years old. To be 260 00:09:28,569 --> 00:09:29,367 was only 18 years old. To be honest, I shouldn't have been 261 00:09:29,369 --> 00:09:31,002 honest, I shouldn't have been in there. They shouldn't have 262 00:09:31,004 --> 00:09:32,237 in there. They shouldn't have allowed me in there. There's 263 00:09:32,239 --> 00:09:34,139 allowed me in there. There's just things that I shouldn't 264 00:09:34,141 --> 00:09:36,308 just things that I shouldn't have heard. The bite marks -- 265 00:09:36,310 --> 00:09:38,944 have heard. The bite marks -- shouldn't have seen any of 266 00:09:38,946 --> 00:09:40,445 shouldn't have seen any of that. The whole whole case was 267 00:09:40,447 --> 00:09:41,079 that. The whole whole case was very traumatizing. 268 00:09:41,081 --> 00:09:47,953 Very traumatizing. >> After an eight-day trial, 269 00:09:47,955 --> 00:09:49,788 >> after an eight-day trial, the jury delivered their 270 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:50,689 the jury delivered their verdict. Ray krone was guilty 271 00:09:50,691 --> 00:09:51,523 verdict. Ray krone was guilty of kidnapping and murder in the 272 00:09:51,525 --> 00:09:52,524 of kidnapping and murder in the first degree. He was sentenced 273 00:09:52,526 --> 00:09:52,991 first degree. He was sentenced to death. 274 00:09:52,993 --> 00:10:01,299 To death. >> Took the jury a little over 275 00:10:01,301 --> 00:10:03,034 >> took the jury a little over three hours to find me guilty. 276 00:10:03,036 --> 00:10:04,336 Three hours to find me guilty. You kind of sit there like 277 00:10:04,338 --> 00:10:06,104 you kind of sit there like you're watching a tennis match, 278 00:10:06,106 --> 00:10:10,875 you're watching a tennis match, and you're actually being the 279 00:10:10,877 --> 00:10:14,045 and you're actually being the ball that's being hit back and 280 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:14,846 ball that's being hit back and forth. Everything that I stood 281 00:10:14,848 --> 00:10:15,647 forth. Everything that I stood for, believed in the justice 282 00:10:15,649 --> 00:10:16,615 for, believed in the justice system, was going. It turned 283 00:10:16,617 --> 00:10:17,349 system, was going. It turned out that this system ain't 284 00:10:17,351 --> 00:10:19,351 out that this system ain't about the truth. 285 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:27,592 >> On December 3, 1992, ray krone entered death row at the 286 00:10:27,594 --> 00:10:28,627 krone entered death row at the notorious kasson prison in 287 00:10:28,629 --> 00:10:29,227 notorious kasson prison in Florence, Arizona. 288 00:10:29,229 --> 00:10:34,165 Florence, Arizona. >> The death row in Arizona is 289 00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:35,000 >> the death row in Arizona is complete isolation. You have no 290 00:10:35,002 --> 00:10:35,667 complete isolation. You have no physical contact with other 291 00:10:35,669 --> 00:10:36,935 physical contact with other inmates. The cell was about six 292 00:10:36,937 --> 00:10:39,404 inmates. The cell was about six by eight. I could stand in the 293 00:10:39,406 --> 00:10:40,739 by eight. I could stand in the middle of it and just about 294 00:10:40,741 --> 00:10:41,706 middle of it and just about touch the walls. Then, I had a 295 00:10:41,708 --> 00:10:43,208 touch the walls. Then, I had a small window where you can look 296 00:10:43,210 --> 00:10:44,409 small window where you can look out across the desert. And 297 00:10:44,411 --> 00:10:45,510 out across the desert. And that's I'd say you were in your 298 00:10:45,512 --> 00:10:46,544 that's I'd say you were in your cell. You got two phone calls a 299 00:10:46,546 --> 00:10:46,945 cell. You got two phone calls a month. 300 00:10:46,947 --> 00:10:49,681 Month. >> The atmosphere in maricopa 301 00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:51,750 >> the atmosphere in maricopa county in 1991 was it was a 302 00:10:51,752 --> 00:10:58,523 county in 1991 was it was a very law-and-order oriented 303 00:10:58,525 --> 00:10:59,858 very law-and-order oriented judicial system. There was a 304 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:04,229 judicial system. There was a lot of pressure on judges in 305 00:11:04,231 --> 00:11:05,230 lot of pressure on judges in particular to get these trials 306 00:11:05,232 --> 00:11:08,867 particular to get these trials done, and they wanted the death 307 00:11:08,869 --> 00:11:10,001 done, and they wanted the death penalty. They were gonna do 308 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:13,905 penalty. They were gonna do everything they could to make 309 00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:14,506 everything they could to make sure it happened. 310 00:11:14,508 --> 00:11:19,944 Sure it happened. >> To visit her son, Ray's 311 00:11:19,946 --> 00:11:21,946 >> to visit her son, Ray's mother, Carolyn, traveled 2,500 312 00:11:21,948 --> 00:11:22,647 mother, Carolyn, traveled 2,500 miles from Pennsylvania. 313 00:11:22,649 --> 00:11:25,250 Miles from Pennsylvania. >> The experience of visiting 314 00:11:25,252 --> 00:11:27,652 >> the experience of visiting someone on death row when they 315 00:11:27,654 --> 00:11:31,389 someone on death row when they bring him into the cubicle on 316 00:11:31,391 --> 00:11:32,524 bring him into the cubicle on the other side of the glass was 317 00:11:32,526 --> 00:11:33,358 the other side of the glass was a very, very hard thing to see. 318 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,362 A very, very hard thing to see. >> I remember seeing the look 319 00:11:37,364 --> 00:11:41,599 >> I remember seeing the look in my mom's eye. I'm shackled 320 00:11:41,601 --> 00:11:45,003 in my mom's eye. I'm shackled at the waist and ankles, and 321 00:11:45,005 --> 00:11:45,904 at the waist and ankles, and I'm shuffling in in a jumpsuit. 322 00:11:45,906 --> 00:11:47,839 I'm shuffling in in a jumpsuit. And how do you let your loved 323 00:11:47,841 --> 00:11:50,175 and how do you let your loved ones know that, "I'm okay. I'll 324 00:11:50,177 --> 00:11:51,509 ones know that, "I'm okay. I'll be okay. You know, it's 325 00:11:51,511 --> 00:11:52,544 be okay. You know, it's alright"? I grew up in Dover, 326 00:11:52,546 --> 00:11:54,479 alright"? I grew up in Dover, Pennsylvania. Farm country. I 327 00:11:54,481 --> 00:11:55,914 Pennsylvania. Farm country. I went to the same high school. 328 00:11:55,916 --> 00:11:57,582 Went to the same high school. My grandparents went to the 329 00:11:57,584 --> 00:11:58,516 my grandparents went to the same church my great 330 00:11:58,518 --> 00:11:59,584 same church my great grandparents went to. We 331 00:11:59,586 --> 00:12:01,386 grandparents went to. We enjoyed that outdoor country 332 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:01,786 enjoyed that outdoor country life. 333 00:12:01,788 --> 00:12:04,823 Life. >> Ray was the most pleasant, 334 00:12:04,825 --> 00:12:06,558 >> ray was the most pleasant, happy-going, easy to raise 335 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,426 happy-going, easy to raise child. Always a lot of fun. All 336 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:09,994 child. Always a lot of fun. All the way through high school, 337 00:12:09,996 --> 00:12:13,765 the way through high school, ray was involved in activities 338 00:12:13,767 --> 00:12:15,734 ray was involved in activities and scouts and church and 339 00:12:15,736 --> 00:12:16,167 and scouts and church and things. 340 00:12:16,169 --> 00:12:23,141 Things. >> After high school, ray 341 00:12:23,143 --> 00:12:24,242 >> after high school, ray signed up for the air force. He 342 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,443 signed up for the air force. He was stationed in Savannah, 343 00:12:25,445 --> 00:12:26,211 was stationed in Savannah, Georgia, when a car accident 344 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:26,878 Georgia, when a car accident left him with severe injuries. 345 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,015 Left him with severe injuries. >> I woke up in the hospital, 346 00:12:31,017 --> 00:12:32,717 >> I woke up in the hospital, my mouth wired shut. I had a 347 00:12:32,719 --> 00:12:33,218 my mouth wired shut. I had a broken jaw. 348 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:36,654 Broken jaw. >> After that accident, Ray's 349 00:12:36,656 --> 00:12:39,657 >> after that accident, Ray's appearance had changed some, 350 00:12:39,659 --> 00:12:41,025 appearance had changed some, because his teeth had been 351 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:42,127 because his teeth had been badly damaged, and his jaw had 352 00:12:42,129 --> 00:12:43,027 badly damaged, and his jaw had been broken. And so when they 353 00:12:43,029 --> 00:12:44,596 been broken. And so when they wired it together and it 354 00:12:44,598 --> 00:12:45,930 wired it together and it rehealed, his teeth were 355 00:12:45,932 --> 00:12:46,364 rehealed, his teeth were crooked. 356 00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:49,968 Crooked. >> In 1980, ray moved to 357 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:51,102 >> in 1980, ray moved to Phoenix and took a job with the 358 00:12:51,104 --> 00:12:52,137 Phoenix and took a job with the post office. On the side, he 359 00:12:52,139 --> 00:12:53,938 post office. On the side, he was an avid dart player, and he 360 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:55,039 was an avid dart player, and he often stopped by to compete at 361 00:12:55,041 --> 00:12:55,974 often stopped by to compete at the CBS lounge, sometimes with 362 00:12:55,976 --> 00:12:56,641 the CBS lounge, sometimes with bartender Kim ancona. 363 00:12:56,643 --> 00:12:59,177 Bartender Kim ancona. >> Kim with a bubbly, outgoing 364 00:12:59,179 --> 00:13:03,715 >> Kim with a bubbly, outgoing person. She worked there, and 365 00:13:03,717 --> 00:13:08,553 person. She worked there, and it turned out then that she 366 00:13:08,555 --> 00:13:09,254 it turned out then that she also had a dart team. 367 00:13:09,256 --> 00:13:13,925 Also had a dart team. >> My mom was the captain of 368 00:13:13,927 --> 00:13:15,593 >> my mom was the captain of their dart team, so she was 369 00:13:15,595 --> 00:13:19,364 their dart team, so she was very into darts. And we used to 370 00:13:19,366 --> 00:13:21,399 very into darts. And we used to play a lot of darts together, 371 00:13:21,401 --> 00:13:22,634 play a lot of darts together, in the bar and at home, but I 372 00:13:22,636 --> 00:13:23,268 in the bar and at home, but I can never beat her. 373 00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:26,404 Can never beat her. >> She was a nurse, but she saw 374 00:13:26,406 --> 00:13:27,739 >> she was a nurse, but she saw kids deteriorating, seeing some 375 00:13:27,741 --> 00:13:29,507 kids deteriorating, seeing some pass away, and it was really 376 00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:31,910 pass away, and it was really affecting her, so she stopped 377 00:13:31,912 --> 00:13:32,710 affecting her, so she stopped doing that to be a bartender. 378 00:13:32,712 --> 00:13:36,781 Doing that to be a bartender. >> My mother was very 379 00:13:36,783 --> 00:13:38,550 >> my mother was very hardworking. Family was always 380 00:13:38,552 --> 00:13:39,617 hardworking. Family was always first. She did whatever she 381 00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:41,452 first. She did whatever she could to keep a roof over US, 382 00:13:41,454 --> 00:13:41,953 could to keep a roof over US, keep US fed. 383 00:13:41,955 --> 00:13:46,291 Keep US fed. >> She would come home from 384 00:13:46,293 --> 00:13:47,992 >> she would come home from work and sleep for about three 385 00:13:47,994 --> 00:13:49,127 work and sleep for about three or four hours and then get US 386 00:13:49,129 --> 00:13:50,128 or four hours and then get US off to school. She had that 387 00:13:50,130 --> 00:13:51,596 off to school. She had that nurturing heart, and she was 388 00:13:51,598 --> 00:13:53,298 nurturing heart, and she was hilarious. She was the life of 389 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:53,765 hilarious. She was the life of the party. 390 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:56,801 The party. >> In the early'90s, my mother 391 00:13:56,803 --> 00:14:02,173 >> in the early'90s, my mother was going through a divorce. My 392 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:03,441 was going through a divorce. My brother and sister were staying 393 00:14:03,443 --> 00:14:07,212 brother and sister were staying with our stepfather, because I 394 00:14:07,214 --> 00:14:10,481 with our stepfather, because I wasn't home anymore, and she 395 00:14:10,483 --> 00:14:11,850 wasn't home anymore, and she had lost her home because of 396 00:14:11,852 --> 00:14:12,684 had lost her home because of the divorce and all that. She 397 00:14:12,686 --> 00:14:17,288 the divorce and all that. She was trying to get back on her 398 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:17,689 was trying to get back on her feet. 399 00:14:17,691 --> 00:14:22,861 Feet. >> She was happy to get all 400 00:14:22,863 --> 00:14:24,662 >> she was happy to get all these hours working at the CBS 401 00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:27,565 these hours working at the CBS lounge,'cause she wanted the 402 00:14:27,567 --> 00:14:28,666 lounge,'cause she wanted the money so that she could have 403 00:14:28,668 --> 00:14:29,434 money so that she could have her own house with her kids. 404 00:14:29,436 --> 00:14:30,568 Her own house with her kids. >> She wanted to get her family 405 00:14:30,570 --> 00:14:31,369 >> she wanted to get her family back together, and that's the 406 00:14:31,371 --> 00:14:32,203 back together, and that's the move she was making when all of 407 00:14:32,205 --> 00:14:32,737 move she was making when all of this happened. 408 00:14:32,739 --> 00:14:34,339 This happened. >> For two years, ray krone sat 409 00:14:34,341 --> 00:14:35,940 >> for two years, ray krone sat on death row while his mother, 410 00:14:35,942 --> 00:14:38,076 on death row while his mother, Carolyn, fought for his case. 411 00:14:38,078 --> 00:14:41,246 Carolyn, fought for his case. The family eventually brought 412 00:14:41,248 --> 00:14:42,313 the family eventually brought on defense attorney Christopher 413 00:14:42,315 --> 00:14:42,747 on defense attorney Christopher plourd. 414 00:14:42,749 --> 00:14:46,017 Plourd. >> I first met ray krone in 415 00:14:46,019 --> 00:14:47,218 >> I first met ray krone in June of 1994. I traveled to 416 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:52,523 June of 1994. I traveled to death row in Arizona, and I 417 00:14:52,525 --> 00:14:53,858 death row in Arizona, and I interviewed him for a number of 418 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:54,225 interviewed him for a number of hours. 419 00:14:54,227 --> 00:15:00,865 Hours. >> Chris wasn't a man that 420 00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:02,233 >> Chris wasn't a man that seemed like just to be going 421 00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:06,004 seemed like just to be going through the motions and asking 422 00:15:06,006 --> 00:15:07,338 through the motions and asking routine questions, because this 423 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:08,006 routine questions, because this was a man that cared. 424 00:15:08,008 --> 00:15:16,481 Was a man that cared. >> Early on, I got the notion 425 00:15:16,483 --> 00:15:17,916 >> early on, I got the notion that ray was, one, not the type 426 00:15:17,918 --> 00:15:18,983 that ray was, one, not the type of person that would do this. 427 00:15:18,985 --> 00:15:19,817 Of person that would do this. But I walked out of there, and 428 00:15:19,819 --> 00:15:20,752 but I walked out of there, and he was just like one of my 429 00:15:20,754 --> 00:15:21,386 he was just like one of my brothers, you know? 430 00:15:21,388 --> 00:15:22,487 Brothers, you know? >> That man from that day on 431 00:15:22,489 --> 00:15:23,588 >> that man from that day on was one of my strongest 432 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:24,422 was one of my strongest defenders and fought for me the 433 00:15:24,424 --> 00:15:24,956 defenders and fought for me the whole way through. 434 00:15:24,958 --> 00:15:27,292 Whole way through. >> When he dug into the case, 435 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,426 >> when he dug into the case, plourd realized the main 436 00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:33,865 plourd realized the main evidence against ray, Dr. 437 00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:42,707 Evidence against ray, Dr. rawson's bite-Mark video, had 438 00:15:42,709 --> 00:15:44,242 rawson's bite-Mark video, had been revealed to the defense 439 00:15:44,244 --> 00:15:44,976 been revealed to the defense just two days before trial. 440 00:15:44,978 --> 00:15:45,843 Just two days before trial. >> They hid this evidence until 441 00:15:45,845 --> 00:15:46,711 >> they hid this evidence until the very last minute, when of 442 00:15:46,713 --> 00:15:47,779 the very last minute, when of course there was not time for 443 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:48,846 course there was not time for the defense to do any kind of 444 00:15:48,848 --> 00:15:49,380 the defense to do any kind of counteraction. 445 00:15:49,382 --> 00:15:50,882 Counteraction. >> Why in the world would the 446 00:15:50,884 --> 00:15:52,317 >> why in the world would the state try to get into evidence 447 00:15:52,319 --> 00:15:53,484 state try to get into evidence a videotape that had been 448 00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:54,352 a videotape that had been disclosed but two days before 449 00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:54,786 disclosed but two days before trial? 450 00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:57,588 Trial? >> On June 22, 1995, the court 451 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:58,323 >> on June 22, 1995, the court decided to overturn Ray's 452 00:15:58,325 --> 00:16:01,626 decided to overturn Ray's conviction and Grant him a new 453 00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:02,026 conviction and Grant him a new trial. 454 00:16:02,028 --> 00:16:09,300 Trial. >> When we heard that the 455 00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:10,134 >> when we heard that the conviction had been overturned, 456 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:10,768 conviction had been overturned, we knew we were on the right 457 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:11,002 we knew we were on the right track. 458 00:16:11,004 --> 00:16:16,274 Track. 459 00:16:22,748 --> 00:16:24,916 >> After nearly three years on Arizona death row, ray krone 460 00:16:24,918 --> 00:16:27,051 Arizona death row, ray krone was granted a second chance to 461 00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:28,019 was granted a second chance to prove his innocence. But as 462 00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:29,287 prove his innocence. But as attorney Chris plourd prepared 463 00:16:29,289 --> 00:16:33,825 attorney Chris plourd prepared for Ray's second trial, he 464 00:16:33,827 --> 00:16:37,595 for Ray's second trial, he found himself stymied by 465 00:16:37,597 --> 00:16:38,262 found himself stymied by prosecutor Noel Levy. 466 00:16:38,264 --> 00:16:41,733 Prosecutor Noel Levy. >> I wanted to get access to 467 00:16:41,735 --> 00:16:43,201 >> I wanted to get access to the evidence from the police 468 00:16:43,203 --> 00:16:44,602 the evidence from the police department, and Noel Levy 469 00:16:44,604 --> 00:16:45,903 department, and Noel Levy objected to that. He refused to 470 00:16:45,905 --> 00:16:47,005 objected to that. He refused to give me notes from the crime 471 00:16:47,007 --> 00:16:48,272 give me notes from the crime lab, access to the evidence. 472 00:16:48,274 --> 00:16:51,275 Lab, access to the evidence. And then, once he was ordered 473 00:16:51,277 --> 00:16:52,977 and then, once he was ordered by the supreme court to give me 474 00:16:52,979 --> 00:16:54,212 by the supreme court to give me discovery, he went to every 475 00:16:54,214 --> 00:16:55,513 discovery, he went to every interview and essentially knew 476 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:59,517 interview and essentially knew that he was in for a long 477 00:16:59,519 --> 00:16:59,951 that he was in for a long fight. 478 00:16:59,953 --> 00:17:01,486 Fight. >> Among the evidence the state 479 00:17:01,488 --> 00:17:03,154 >> among the evidence the state finally handed over were 17 480 00:17:03,156 --> 00:17:05,289 finally handed over were 17 hairs found on Kim ancona's 481 00:17:05,291 --> 00:17:06,791 hairs found on Kim ancona's body. Of these, two came from 482 00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:08,693 body. Of these, two came from an unidentified person, and 483 00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:09,427 an unidentified person, and another was never tested. 484 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:14,065 Another was never tested. >> They said that some of them 485 00:17:14,067 --> 00:17:15,500 >> they said that some of them were Kim's, and others could 486 00:17:15,502 --> 00:17:17,668 were Kim's, and others could not be ruled out as being 487 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:18,503 not be ruled out as being Ray's. That wasn't even true. 488 00:17:18,505 --> 00:17:22,507 Ray's. That wasn't even true. >> The reality is, when you 489 00:17:22,509 --> 00:17:24,642 >> the reality is, when you look at the evidence hairs, 490 00:17:24,644 --> 00:17:26,377 look at the evidence hairs, were from a person who was 491 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:27,445 were from a person who was either Mexican-American, 492 00:17:27,447 --> 00:17:29,914 either Mexican-American, hispanic, or American Indian. 493 00:17:29,916 --> 00:17:31,149 Hispanic, or American Indian. So krone could not and ancona 494 00:17:31,151 --> 00:17:38,122 so krone could not and ancona could not have been the donors 495 00:17:38,124 --> 00:17:38,689 could not have been the donors of those hairs. 496 00:17:38,691 --> 00:17:40,024 Of those hairs. >> Chris also received police 497 00:17:40,026 --> 00:17:41,125 >> Chris also received police files showing footprints 498 00:17:41,127 --> 00:17:42,193 files showing footprints recovered from the scene, 499 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:42,994 recovered from the scene, matching size 9 1/2 converse 500 00:17:42,996 --> 00:17:43,461 matching size 9 1/2 converse sneakers. 501 00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:52,503 Sneakers. >> Ray krone didn't have 502 00:17:52,505 --> 00:17:53,604 >> ray krone didn't have converse shoes, and he wore an 503 00:17:53,606 --> 00:17:53,971 converse shoes, and he wore an 11. 504 00:17:53,973 --> 00:17:55,406 11. >> They basically reanalyzed 505 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:57,175 >> they basically reanalyzed the latent prints, and they 506 00:17:57,177 --> 00:18:00,178 the latent prints, and they came up with an opinion that 507 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:08,352 came up with an opinion that the size was consistent with 508 00:18:08,354 --> 00:18:09,520 the size was consistent with Mr. Krone, even though he 509 00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:10,354 Mr. Krone, even though he didn't own those type of shoes. 510 00:18:10,356 --> 00:18:12,557 Didn't own those type of shoes. >> Finally, blood collected 511 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:13,524 >> finally, blood collected from the crime scene tested as 512 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:14,358 from the crime scene tested as type o. Noel Levy said that 513 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:15,259 type o. Noel Levy said that matched ray, but it also 514 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:16,027 matched ray, but it also matched back to Kim ancona. 515 00:18:16,029 --> 00:18:16,894 Matched back to Kim ancona. >> You have to remember, in the 516 00:18:16,896 --> 00:18:17,728 >> you have to remember, in the early'90s, we knew DNA was 517 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:18,696 early'90s, we knew DNA was coming, but it wasn't coming to 518 00:18:18,698 --> 00:18:19,630 coming, but it wasn't coming to Phoenix right away. We were 519 00:18:19,632 --> 00:18:20,431 Phoenix right away. We were still blood typing. They would 520 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:21,199 still blood typing. They would be able to say that it was a, b 521 00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:21,866 be able to say that it was a, b or o. Back then, a, b, o was 522 00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:22,600 or o. Back then, a, b, o was about as good as you were gonna 523 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:22,900 about as good as you were gonna get. 524 00:18:22,902 --> 00:18:24,435 Get. >> It was amazing the number of 525 00:18:24,437 --> 00:18:25,837 >> it was amazing the number of things that they did try to do 526 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:26,604 things that they did try to do a test on, but if it didn't 527 00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:27,438 a test on, but if it didn't match me, they ignored it. 528 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,406 Match me, they ignored it. They're not looking for anybody 529 00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:30,308 they're not looking for anybody else. They only wanted stuff 530 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:30,875 else. They only wanted stuff that matched me. 531 00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:32,243 That matched me. >> Ray's second trial would 532 00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:33,010 >> Ray's second trial would begin on February 16, 1996. 533 00:18:33,012 --> 00:18:34,412 Begin on February 16, 1996. >> Noel Levy's theory of the 534 00:18:34,414 --> 00:18:35,546 >> Noel Levy's theory of the case was virtually the same as 535 00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:39,050 case was virtually the same as it was in the first trial, that 536 00:18:39,052 --> 00:18:40,751 it was in the first trial, that ray krone was essentially the 537 00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:44,956 ray krone was essentially the boyfriend of Kim ancona and 538 00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:48,326 boyfriend of Kim ancona and that unless ray krone loaned 539 00:18:48,328 --> 00:18:49,393 that unless ray krone loaned his teeth to somebody, ray 540 00:18:49,395 --> 00:18:50,027 his teeth to somebody, ray krone is the killer. 541 00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:53,965 Krone is the killer. >> Noel Levy was an extremely 542 00:18:53,967 --> 00:18:55,266 >> Noel Levy was an extremely effective prosecutor -- very 543 00:18:55,268 --> 00:18:57,068 effective prosecutor -- very tall, very persuasive, could 544 00:18:57,070 --> 00:19:03,107 tall, very persuasive, could mesmerize a jury, would make 545 00:19:03,109 --> 00:19:06,043 mesmerize a jury, would make declaration statements that 546 00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:08,012 declaration statements that make him sound like they came 547 00:19:08,014 --> 00:19:08,713 make him sound like they came right out of the Bible. 548 00:19:08,715 --> 00:19:16,988 Right out of the Bible. >> Levy argued that ray and Kim 549 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:17,889 >> Levy argued that ray and Kim had been romantically involved 550 00:19:17,891 --> 00:19:18,656 had been romantically involved and that ray killed her in a 551 00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:19,090 and that ray killed her in a jealous rage. 552 00:19:19,092 --> 00:19:20,958 Jealous rage. >> This boyfriend/girlfriend 553 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,295 >> this boyfriend/girlfriend thing kept coming up. I kept 554 00:19:24,297 --> 00:19:26,631 thing kept coming up. I kept telling them, "look, I knew her 555 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:28,466 telling them, "look, I knew her from the bar. That's it. She 556 00:19:28,468 --> 00:19:30,001 from the bar. That's it. She hasn't been to my house. I'm 557 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:30,635 hasn't been to my house. I'm not her boyfriend." 558 00:19:30,637 --> 00:19:35,373 Not her boyfriend." >> Ray did not even know her 559 00:19:35,375 --> 00:19:37,041 >> ray did not even know her last name at the time that she 560 00:19:37,043 --> 00:19:38,876 last name at the time that she was killed. She was just Kim 561 00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:39,410 was killed. She was just Kim from the bar. 562 00:19:39,412 --> 00:19:44,048 From the bar. >> Daniel Miller, Kim's 563 00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:44,949 >> Daniel Miller, Kim's youngest son, attended the 564 00:19:44,951 --> 00:19:45,716 youngest son, attended the second trial and saw ray in 565 00:19:45,718 --> 00:19:46,417 second trial and saw ray in person for the first time. 566 00:19:46,419 --> 00:19:47,885 Person for the first time. >> For those four years, I 567 00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:48,819 >> for those four years, I built up a lot of hatred 568 00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:50,755 built up a lot of hatred towards ray. And to see him 20 569 00:19:50,757 --> 00:19:54,759 towards ray. And to see him 20 feet for me, I wanted to jump 570 00:19:54,761 --> 00:19:59,297 feet for me, I wanted to jump over the wall and cause 571 00:19:59,299 --> 00:20:00,665 over the wall and cause physical harm. I believed in an 572 00:20:00,667 --> 00:20:05,603 physical harm. I believed in an eye for an eye, and I wanted 573 00:20:05,605 --> 00:20:06,437 eye for an eye, and I wanted him to be put to death for what 574 00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:06,771 him to be put to death for what he did. 575 00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:13,844 He did. >> When it came time to address 576 00:20:13,846 --> 00:20:14,912 >> when it came time to address the jury, plourd attacked the 577 00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:15,680 the jury, plourd attacked the state's case piece by piece. 578 00:20:15,682 --> 00:20:19,050 State's case piece by piece. >> Chris proved that blood 579 00:20:19,052 --> 00:20:20,818 >> Chris proved that blood didn't match, the fingerprints 580 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,386 didn't match, the fingerprints didn't match, and they're 581 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:23,721 didn't match, and they're eliminating all these things. 582 00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:25,256 Eliminating all these things. So we really felt good about 583 00:20:25,258 --> 00:20:25,656 so we really felt good about that. 584 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:29,293 That. >> The truth was coming out, 585 00:20:29,295 --> 00:20:30,161 >> the truth was coming out, and I was starting to feel 586 00:20:30,163 --> 00:20:33,331 and I was starting to feel positive about the system 587 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,399 positive about the system again. But it didn't take long 588 00:20:35,401 --> 00:20:37,435 again. But it didn't take long to realize that they were 589 00:20:37,437 --> 00:20:39,103 to realize that they were serious about believing that 590 00:20:39,105 --> 00:20:40,137 serious about believing that I'd done it and 591 00:20:45,711 --> 00:20:49,180 >> As ray krone faced the death penalty for the second time, he 592 00:20:49,182 --> 00:20:50,648 penalty for the second time, he was facing off against a 593 00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:51,415 was facing off against a respected scientific field. 594 00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:54,919 Respected scientific field. Forensic odontology, or the 595 00:20:54,921 --> 00:20:55,886 forensic odontology, or the science of bite marks, had come 596 00:20:55,888 --> 00:20:56,721 science of bite marks, had come to prominence in the late'70s, 597 00:20:56,723 --> 00:20:58,656 to prominence in the late'70s, when serial killer Ted Bundy 598 00:20:58,658 --> 00:20:59,657 when serial killer Ted Bundy was convicted with the help of 599 00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:00,291 was convicted with the help of Dr. Norman sperber. 600 00:21:00,293 --> 00:21:05,529 Dr. Norman sperber. >> Dr. Sperber was considered 601 00:21:05,531 --> 00:21:07,298 >> Dr. Sperber was considered the leading forensic 602 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:09,033 the leading forensic odontologist in the country, 603 00:21:09,035 --> 00:21:12,403 odontologist in the country, and he saw this evidence in 604 00:21:12,405 --> 00:21:13,037 and he saw this evidence in Ray's case early on. 605 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:17,241 Ray's case early on. >> I ran into Dr. Sperber in 606 00:21:17,243 --> 00:21:18,142 >> I ran into Dr. Sperber in San Diego in the courthouse, 607 00:21:18,144 --> 00:21:19,243 San Diego in the courthouse, and then he asked me -- he said, 608 00:21:19,245 --> 00:21:21,379 and then he asked me -- he said, "what case are you involved in, 609 00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:24,348 "what case are you involved in, in Arizona? " And I said, "well, 610 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:26,284 in Arizona? " And I said, "well, the krone case." I said, "the 611 00:21:26,286 --> 00:21:28,919 the krone case." I said, "the guy's on death row." He was 612 00:21:28,921 --> 00:21:32,923 guy's on death row." He was shocked. He said he had 613 00:21:32,925 --> 00:21:35,159 shocked. He said he had concluded for the first trial 614 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,460 concluded for the first trial that there was just not enough 615 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:37,361 that there was just not enough information there to conclude 616 00:21:37,363 --> 00:21:38,162 information there to conclude it was Ray's teeth, and that 617 00:21:38,164 --> 00:21:39,030 it was Ray's teeth, and that information was never given to 618 00:21:39,032 --> 00:21:39,697 information was never given to the defense attorney. 619 00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:42,900 The defense attorney. >> Prosecutor Noel Levy 620 00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:43,934 >> prosecutor Noel Levy eventually hired Dr. Raymond 621 00:21:43,936 --> 00:21:44,769 eventually hired Dr. Raymond rawson to analyze the evidence. 622 00:21:44,771 --> 00:21:48,272 Rawson to analyze the evidence. >> Noel Levy paid Mr. Rawson 623 00:21:48,274 --> 00:21:49,040 >> Noel Levy paid Mr. Rawson $50,000 to show a jury how 624 00:21:49,042 --> 00:21:50,941 $50,000 to show a jury how these teeth marks matched. He 625 00:21:50,943 --> 00:21:51,876 these teeth marks matched. He created a video and a system 626 00:21:51,878 --> 00:21:53,044 created a video and a system that nobody understood, and 627 00:21:53,046 --> 00:21:54,979 that nobody understood, and this video was unbelievably 628 00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:55,479 this video was unbelievably convincing. 629 00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:58,115 Convincing. >> At the time, computer 630 00:21:58,117 --> 00:21:59,350 >> at the time, computer technology wasn't what it is 631 00:21:59,352 --> 00:22:00,284 technology wasn't what it is today, but he was doing some 632 00:22:00,286 --> 00:22:02,520 today, but he was doing some image correction to make the 633 00:22:02,522 --> 00:22:03,387 image correction to make the comparison on these breast 634 00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:04,255 comparison on these breast models and demonstrating how 635 00:22:04,257 --> 00:22:04,989 models and demonstrating how Ray's teeth made a match. 636 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,758 Ray's teeth made a match. >> And he apparently was able 637 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,062 >> and he apparently was able to manipulate the images to, in 638 00:22:11,064 --> 00:22:11,962 to manipulate the images to, in fact, change the size of ray 639 00:22:11,964 --> 00:22:14,598 fact, change the size of ray krone's teeth to match the bite 640 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:14,999 krone's teeth to match the bite Mark. 641 00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:23,674 Mark. >> To counter rawson, plourd 642 00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:24,875 >> to counter rawson, plourd called three top odontologists, 643 00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:25,676 called three top odontologists, who testified that Ray's teeth 644 00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:26,444 who testified that Ray's teeth were not a conclusive match. 645 00:22:26,446 --> 00:22:27,611 Were not a conclusive match. >> He measured the teeth from 646 00:22:27,613 --> 00:22:29,046 >> he measured the teeth from canine to canine. There was no 647 00:22:29,048 --> 00:22:30,681 canine to canine. There was no way that Ray's teeth could have 648 00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:31,916 way that Ray's teeth could have made those marks. But in the 649 00:22:31,918 --> 00:22:34,685 made those marks. But in the video, it looked like they 650 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:35,586 video, it looked like they lined up perfectly. So I 651 00:22:35,588 --> 00:22:36,754 lined up perfectly. So I basically said ray rawson is a 652 00:22:36,756 --> 00:22:38,189 basically said ray rawson is a charlatan and a fraud, that he 653 00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:38,956 charlatan and a fraud, that he had no scientific method. 654 00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:42,026 Had no scientific method. >> The state had also produced 655 00:22:42,028 --> 00:22:44,428 >> the state had also produced molds of Ray's teeth that 656 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:47,732 molds of Ray's teeth that seemed to be a match, but 657 00:22:47,734 --> 00:22:48,466 seemed to be a match, but Florida argued otherwise. 658 00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:50,801 Florida argued otherwise. >> There was a video that was 659 00:22:50,803 --> 00:22:56,474 >> there was a video that was done of the police department 660 00:22:56,476 --> 00:22:57,341 done of the police department examining the body of Kim 661 00:22:57,343 --> 00:22:57,775 examining the body of Kim ancona. 662 00:22:57,777 --> 00:23:03,914 Ancona. >> They took the mold of Ray's 663 00:23:03,916 --> 00:23:07,151 >> they took the mold of Ray's mouth, and they put it on her 664 00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:08,018 mouth, and they put it on her body, and they twisted this 665 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:09,019 body, and they twisted this mold to fit into the marks on 666 00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:11,789 mold to fit into the marks on her body. They twisted and 667 00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:13,858 her body. They twisted and turned it, therefore possibly 668 00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:14,925 turned it, therefore possibly creating the match with Ray's 669 00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:15,760 creating the match with Ray's teeth. Because, of course, this 670 00:23:15,762 --> 00:23:18,262 teeth. Because, of course, this flesh is now dead, and they're 671 00:23:18,264 --> 00:23:19,597 flesh is now dead, and they're not gonna retain whatever 672 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:20,131 not gonna retain whatever you've done. 673 00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:27,471 You've done. >> Then what they did is they 674 00:23:27,473 --> 00:23:28,906 >> then what they did is they took molds of the breast, and 675 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:31,709 took molds of the breast, and they used those in the video, 676 00:23:31,711 --> 00:23:32,710 they used those in the video, also, to show that there was a 677 00:23:32,712 --> 00:23:33,711 also, to show that there was a correlation between Ray's teeth 678 00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:34,678 correlation between Ray's teeth and the bite Mark based upon 679 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,179 and the bite Mark based upon the mold. 680 00:23:35,181 --> 00:23:37,715 The mold. >> While the medical examiner's 681 00:23:37,717 --> 00:23:38,816 >> while the medical examiner's office denied affecting the 682 00:23:38,818 --> 00:23:39,784 office denied affecting the evidence, presiding judge James 683 00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:40,885 evidence, presiding judge James mcdougall did find credence in 684 00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:41,619 mcdougall did find credence in other defense arguments. 685 00:23:41,621 --> 00:23:42,853 Other defense arguments. >> I thought the defense -- 686 00:23:42,855 --> 00:23:43,654 >> I thought the defense -- they did an excellent job of 687 00:23:43,656 --> 00:23:44,255 they did an excellent job of creating doubt. I came away 688 00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:45,623 creating doubt. I came away from that thinking, "well, 689 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,391 from that thinking, "well, that's not as clear as it 690 00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:48,192 that's not as clear as it looked when the state rested." 691 00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:52,029 Looked when the state rested." >> Now there was the bite-Mark 692 00:23:52,031 --> 00:23:53,431 >> now there was the bite-Mark expert that said it wasn't me, 693 00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:58,669 expert that said it wasn't me, saliva on the bite Mark wasn't 694 00:23:58,671 --> 00:23:59,870 saliva on the bite Mark wasn't by me, hair wasn't me. Just so 695 00:23:59,872 --> 00:24:02,873 by me, hair wasn't me. Just so many things now to come out 696 00:24:02,875 --> 00:24:03,674 many things now to come out that never, ever came out the 697 00:24:03,676 --> 00:24:04,175 that never, ever came out the first trial. 698 00:24:04,177 --> 00:24:05,309 First trial. >> Ray's trial would last seven 699 00:24:05,311 --> 00:24:06,677 >> Ray's trial would last seven weeks. It took the jury three 700 00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:07,478 weeks. It took the jury three days to render their verdict. 701 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,716 Days to render their verdict. >> When the jurors came into 702 00:24:12,718 --> 00:24:14,518 >> when the jurors came into the courtroom and had to face 703 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,886 the courtroom and had to face US that day, I had an uneasy 704 00:24:15,888 --> 00:24:20,124 US that day, I had an uneasy feeling that they were avoiding 705 00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:20,658 feeling that they were avoiding looking at US. 706 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:22,092 Looking at US. >> The verdict was announced. 707 00:24:22,094 --> 00:24:22,827 >> The verdict was announced. It was all in slow motion. 708 00:24:22,829 --> 00:24:24,895 It was all in slow motion. >> Of murder in the first 709 00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:26,397 >> of murder in the first degree, we find the defendant, 710 00:24:26,399 --> 00:24:27,131 degree, we find the defendant, ray Milton krone, guilty. 711 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:31,368 Ray Milton krone, guilty. >> They just said guilty -- you 712 00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:35,473 >> they just said guilty -- you know, guilty. "Whoa, back up. 713 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:39,276 Know, guilty. "Whoa, back up. Wait a minute. What's going on 714 00:24:39,278 --> 00:24:40,277 wait a minute. What's going on here? This can't be possible. 715 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,346 Here? This can't be possible. What are they saying? " And you 716 00:24:42,348 --> 00:24:43,414 what are they saying? " And you just -- I just couldn't believe 717 00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:43,781 just -- I just couldn't believe it. 718 00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:47,618 It. >> After all these weeks and 719 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,286 >> after all these weeks and days and hours, to hear that 720 00:24:49,288 --> 00:24:50,988 days and hours, to hear that verdict is like doomsday. I 721 00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:57,862 verdict is like doomsday. I mean, "no. Not all this, and 722 00:24:57,864 --> 00:24:58,696 mean, "no. Not all this, and here we are, where we started." 723 00:24:58,698 --> 00:24:59,697 Here we are, where we started." >> What more evidence, what 724 00:24:59,699 --> 00:25:01,499 >> what more evidence, what more could we possibly have 725 00:25:01,501 --> 00:25:05,736 more could we possibly have done to convince a jury of my 726 00:25:05,738 --> 00:25:06,804 done to convince a jury of my innocence? I mean, how is this 727 00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:07,271 innocence? I mean, how is this possible? 728 00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:10,708 Possible? >> I was taken aback when they 729 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:11,475 >> I was taken aback when they came back with a judgment of 730 00:25:11,477 --> 00:25:12,443 came back with a judgment of guilt. I felt that the defense 731 00:25:12,445 --> 00:25:14,445 guilt. I felt that the defense had created serious doubt about 732 00:25:14,447 --> 00:25:16,080 had created serious doubt about all the other evidence, 733 00:25:16,082 --> 00:25:19,750 all the other evidence, including the bite-Mark 734 00:25:19,752 --> 00:25:20,217 including the bite-Mark evidence. 735 00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:23,587 Evidence. >> During deliberation, the 736 00:25:23,589 --> 00:25:29,727 >> during deliberation, the jury had requested two pieces 737 00:25:29,729 --> 00:25:30,594 jury had requested two pieces of evidence -- the mold of 738 00:25:30,596 --> 00:25:31,695 of evidence -- the mold of Kim's breast made at the 739 00:25:31,697 --> 00:25:32,796 Kim's breast made at the autopsy and the cast of Ray's 740 00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:33,197 autopsy and the cast of Ray's teeth. 741 00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:36,200 Teeth. >> Basically, the jurors -- 742 00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:37,067 >> basically, the jurors -- they took the molds, finally. 743 00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:38,168 They took the molds, finally. They passed them around, and 744 00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:39,136 they passed them around, and they fit the mold with the 745 00:25:39,138 --> 00:25:39,537 they fit the mold with the teeth. 746 00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:41,739 Teeth. >> When we used the molds, the 747 00:25:41,741 --> 00:25:44,642 >> when we used the molds, the teeth fit the marks that were 748 00:25:44,644 --> 00:25:45,643 teeth fit the marks that were on the breast mold. And I tried 749 00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:47,111 on the breast mold. And I tried it myself. There was no doubt. 750 00:25:47,113 --> 00:25:47,978 It myself. There was no doubt. I keep wondering about why we 751 00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:49,813 I keep wondering about why we sat through all that. Teaching 752 00:25:49,815 --> 00:25:51,348 sat through all that. Teaching US about hair and fibers and 753 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:53,717 US about hair and fibers and blood, and none of it mattered. 754 00:25:53,719 --> 00:25:54,518 Blood, and none of it mattered. If he bit her, he killed her. 755 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,520 If he bit her, he killed her. >> While the jury found ray 756 00:25:56,522 --> 00:26:05,296 >> while the jury found ray guilty, the decision whether to 757 00:26:05,298 --> 00:26:07,464 guilty, the decision whether to accept that verdict rested with 758 00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:08,132 accept that verdict rested with judge James mcdougall. 759 00:26:08,134 --> 00:26:11,201 Judge James mcdougall. >> They heard all the evidence. 760 00:26:11,203 --> 00:26:17,374 >> They heard all the evidence. They were 12 of 24 people that 761 00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:20,444 they were 12 of 24 people that had reached that decision. But 762 00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:24,081 had reached that decision. But there just was a nagging 763 00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:24,949 there just was a nagging feeling that we hadn't gotten 764 00:26:24,951 --> 00:26:25,616 feeling that we hadn't gotten the right person here. 765 00:26:25,618 --> 00:26:35,926 The right person here. >> Ray krone had been found 766 00:26:35,928 --> 00:26:38,796 >> ray krone had been found guilty a second time of killing 767 00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:40,164 guilty a second time of killing Kim ancona, but judge James 768 00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:41,065 Kim ancona, but judge James mcdougall struggled over 769 00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:42,299 mcdougall struggled over whether to accept the jury's 770 00:26:42,301 --> 00:26:42,766 whether to accept the jury's decision. 771 00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:47,638 Decision. >> Even though I disagreed with 772 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,540 >> even though I disagreed with the verdict, it's not something 773 00:26:49,542 --> 00:26:51,041 the verdict, it's not something I could easily just set aside. 774 00:26:51,043 --> 00:26:53,577 I could easily just set aside. But that lingering doubt was 775 00:26:53,579 --> 00:26:55,045 but that lingering doubt was enough to make me feel that I 776 00:26:55,047 --> 00:26:55,779 enough to make me feel that I can't sentence this man to 777 00:26:55,781 --> 00:26:56,113 can't sentence this man to death. 778 00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:57,848 Death. >> Ultimately, judge mcdougall 779 00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:59,183 >> ultimately, judge mcdougall sentenced ray to life in prison, 780 00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,785 sentenced ray to life in prison, but he also issued a remarkable 781 00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:02,086 but he also issued a remarkable statement. 782 00:27:02,088 --> 00:27:03,320 Statement. >> He said, "the court is left 783 00:27:03,322 --> 00:27:04,655 >> he said, "the court is left with a residual or lingering 784 00:27:04,657 --> 00:27:06,991 with a residual or lingering doubt about the clear identity 785 00:27:06,993 --> 00:27:08,626 doubt about the clear identity of the killer. This is one of 786 00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:10,227 of the killer. This is one of those cases that will haunt me 787 00:27:10,229 --> 00:27:11,328 those cases that will haunt me for the rest of my life, 788 00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:12,863 for the rest of my life, wondering whether I have done 789 00:27:12,865 --> 00:27:13,464 wondering whether I have done the right thing." 790 00:27:13,466 --> 00:27:16,066 The right thing." >> For judge mcdougall to give 791 00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:20,070 >> for judge mcdougall to give ray a life verdict as opposed 792 00:27:20,072 --> 00:27:22,006 ray a life verdict as opposed to a death verdict was not 793 00:27:22,008 --> 00:27:23,507 to a death verdict was not something that was 794 00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:24,675 something that was well-received by the maricopa 795 00:27:24,677 --> 00:27:25,643 well-received by the maricopa county attorney's office. So 796 00:27:25,645 --> 00:27:27,878 county attorney's office. So for him to do anything more 797 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,746 for him to do anything more than that, I think he would 798 00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:29,780 than that, I think he would have been run out of town, and 799 00:27:29,782 --> 00:27:30,547 have been run out of town, and he would have lost his job. 800 00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:37,021 He would have lost his job. >> Ray was sent to general 801 00:27:37,023 --> 00:27:40,691 >> ray was sent to general population in the spring of 802 00:27:40,693 --> 00:27:42,326 population in the spring of 1996, where his former death 803 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:43,093 1996, where his former death sentence earned him respect. 804 00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:52,236 Sentence earned him respect. >> But all that changed one day, 805 00:27:52,238 --> 00:27:52,970 >> but all that changed one day, when a television program came 806 00:27:52,972 --> 00:27:53,303 when a television program came on the air. 807 00:27:53,305 --> 00:27:54,638 On the air. >> I was in my room that day, 808 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,472 >> I was in my room that day, and a guy knocked on the 809 00:27:55,474 --> 00:27:56,206 and a guy knocked on the window. He says, "hey, you 810 00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:57,074 window. He says, "hey, you better check out channel 4. 811 00:27:57,076 --> 00:27:58,342 Better check out channel 4. You're on TV." I'm like, "what? 812 00:27:58,344 --> 00:27:59,043 You're on TV." I'm like, "what? " And I turn on my TV channel, 813 00:27:59,045 --> 00:27:59,777 " and I turn on my TV channel, and here was "arrest & trial." 814 00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:00,811 And here was "arrest & trial." >> Ray krone, a 32-year-old 815 00:28:00,813 --> 00:28:01,345 >> ray krone, a 32-year-old postal worker. 816 00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:02,680 Postal worker. >> And in that film, the two 817 00:28:02,682 --> 00:28:11,155 >> and in that film, the two detectives say that when they 818 00:28:11,157 --> 00:28:11,989 detectives say that when they got to Ray's red corvette, they 819 00:28:11,991 --> 00:28:12,690 got to Ray's red corvette, they opened up the trunk, and there 820 00:28:12,692 --> 00:28:13,457 opened up the trunk, and there were bloody sheets in there. 821 00:28:13,459 --> 00:28:14,091 Were bloody sheets in there. >> And we later found out 822 00:28:14,093 --> 00:28:15,092 >> and we later found out through the crime-lab 823 00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:15,893 through the crime-lab investigation that the blood 824 00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:16,427 investigation that the blood came back to Kim ancona. 825 00:28:16,429 --> 00:28:17,895 Came back to Kim ancona. >> There was no blood traced 826 00:28:17,897 --> 00:28:18,696 >> there was no blood traced back to Kim in his possession. 827 00:28:18,698 --> 00:28:20,764 Back to Kim in his possession. >> They got pictures of me 828 00:28:20,766 --> 00:28:21,632 >> they got pictures of me running down the road. They 829 00:28:21,634 --> 00:28:23,100 running down the road. They said I was charged with a 830 00:28:23,102 --> 00:28:23,667 said I was charged with a sexual assault. 831 00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:24,735 Sexual assault. >> Based upon the evidence, ray 832 00:28:24,737 --> 00:28:26,303 >> based upon the evidence, ray krone wanted to have sex with 833 00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:27,504 krone wanted to have sex with Kim ancona that night. He was 834 00:28:27,506 --> 00:28:29,006 Kim ancona that night. He was just shaking, he was so 835 00:28:29,008 --> 00:28:30,908 just shaking, he was so nervous. He couldn't believe 836 00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:31,275 nervous. He couldn't believe it. 837 00:28:31,277 --> 00:28:34,078 It. >> Sexual assault ain't 838 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,279 >> sexual assault ain't accepted in prison, so even the 839 00:28:35,281 --> 00:28:36,346 accepted in prison, so even the people that had known me for 840 00:28:36,348 --> 00:28:38,082 people that had known me for about a year or so were now 841 00:28:38,084 --> 00:28:39,483 about a year or so were now about to cut my throat, just 842 00:28:39,485 --> 00:28:41,251 about to cut my throat, just because of that episode there, 843 00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:44,288 because of that episode there, making it sound like I had 844 00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:45,122 making it sound like I had raped and assaulted this woman. 845 00:28:45,124 --> 00:28:50,527 Raped and assaulted this woman. >> When they convicted ray this 846 00:28:50,529 --> 00:28:57,701 >> when they convicted ray this time, it was clear to me that 847 00:28:57,703 --> 00:29:00,237 time, it was clear to me that the justice system was not 848 00:29:00,239 --> 00:29:01,905 the justice system was not gonna solve this case. If we 849 00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:03,040 gonna solve this case. If we ever wanted to get ray freed, 850 00:29:03,042 --> 00:29:04,742 ever wanted to get ray freed, it was a matter of now we're 851 00:29:04,744 --> 00:29:05,542 it was a matter of now we're gonna have to solve this case. 852 00:29:05,544 --> 00:29:12,282 Gonna have to solve this case. >> Ray's last hope lay with 853 00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:13,784 >> Ray's last hope lay with finding the real killer. To 854 00:29:13,786 --> 00:29:15,052 finding the real killer. To investigate, the defense 855 00:29:15,054 --> 00:29:15,986 investigate, the defense brought on former homicide 856 00:29:15,988 --> 00:29:16,687 brought on former homicide detective Thomas streed. 857 00:29:16,689 --> 00:29:18,055 Detective Thomas streed. >> One of the things that the 858 00:29:18,057 --> 00:29:19,523 >> one of the things that the police department was made 859 00:29:19,525 --> 00:29:22,159 police department was made aware of was the fact that a 860 00:29:22,161 --> 00:29:23,494 aware of was the fact that a neighbor living across from the 861 00:29:23,496 --> 00:29:27,264 neighbor living across from the CBS lounge saw a native 862 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:29,133 CBS lounge saw a native American leaning against the 863 00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:31,201 American leaning against the wall of CBS lounge by himself 864 00:29:31,203 --> 00:29:35,973 wall of CBS lounge by himself during the early-morning hours. 865 00:29:35,975 --> 00:29:39,743 During the early-morning hours. He essentially wrote out a note 866 00:29:39,745 --> 00:29:41,712 he essentially wrote out a note to the police. He said, "the 867 00:29:41,714 --> 00:29:44,014 to the police. He said, "the man you're looking for appears 868 00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:44,782 man you're looking for appears to be an American Indian." 869 00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:46,817 To be an American Indian." >> There was one woman that 870 00:29:46,819 --> 00:29:48,585 >> there was one woman that knew Kim that was in the bar, 871 00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:49,887 knew Kim that was in the bar, and she identified an American 872 00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:51,255 and she identified an American Indian drinking in the bar that 873 00:29:51,257 --> 00:29:53,657 Indian drinking in the bar that night that Kim ancona had 874 00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:54,158 night that Kim ancona had kicked out. 875 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,293 Kicked out. >> Kim and I were laughing at 876 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:59,296 >> Kim and I were laughing at this one guy. He was all 877 00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:02,232 this one guy. He was all westerned out, but then he had 878 00:30:02,234 --> 00:30:03,834 westerned out, but then he had a pair of ugly tennis shoes on. 879 00:30:03,836 --> 00:30:05,536 A pair of ugly tennis shoes on. He wanted another beer, and she 880 00:30:05,538 --> 00:30:08,906 he wanted another beer, and she said, "no, I'm cutting you off. 881 00:30:08,908 --> 00:30:13,644 Said, "no, I'm cutting you off. You've had enough." That 882 00:30:13,646 --> 00:30:15,779 you've had enough." That probably made him mad. I told 883 00:30:15,781 --> 00:30:17,347 probably made him mad. I told Noel Levy that I believed that 884 00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,917 Noel Levy that I believed that ray krone did not do this and 885 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:21,952 ray krone did not do this and that the guy that was at the 886 00:30:21,954 --> 00:30:22,953 that the guy that was at the bar, I said, would give him all 887 00:30:22,955 --> 00:30:24,521 bar, I said, would give him all reason to do this,'cause he got 888 00:30:24,523 --> 00:30:25,956 reason to do this,'cause he got cut off. But Levy was cranky 889 00:30:25,958 --> 00:30:27,624 cut off. But Levy was cranky with me. He was set that ray 890 00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:29,493 with me. He was set that ray krone did it -- you know, his 891 00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:29,827 krone did it -- you know, his teeth marks. 892 00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:32,062 Teeth marks. >> Detectives investigated 893 00:30:32,064 --> 00:30:34,364 >> detectives investigated Terry's tip without success. 894 00:30:34,366 --> 00:30:36,767 Terry's tip without success. But by 1998, law enforcement 895 00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:39,436 but by 1998, law enforcement was developing a new tool -- a 896 00:30:39,438 --> 00:30:44,341 was developing a new tool -- a national DNA database called 897 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:44,741 national DNA database called codis. 898 00:30:44,743 --> 00:30:50,681 Codis. >> I glommed on to that as 899 00:30:50,683 --> 00:30:52,015 >> I glommed on to that as Ray's salvation, that these 900 00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,450 Ray's salvation, that these databases are gonna eventually 901 00:30:53,452 --> 00:30:54,618 databases are gonna eventually get populated, and then we 902 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:56,453 get populated, and then we could put the profile into the 903 00:30:56,455 --> 00:30:58,055 could put the profile into the database and find out who 904 00:30:58,057 --> 00:30:58,822 database and find out who actually killed Kim ancona. 905 00:30:58,824 --> 00:31:03,994 Actually killed Kim ancona. >> By 2001, Ray's team believed 906 00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:05,495 >> by 2001, Ray's team believed codis was strong enough for a 907 00:31:05,497 --> 00:31:06,964 codis was strong enough for a new round of tests. They filed 908 00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:10,801 new round of tests. They filed motions for access to Kim 909 00:31:10,803 --> 00:31:11,435 motions for access to Kim ancona's clothing. 910 00:31:11,437 --> 00:31:13,871 Ancona's clothing. >> I wanted to see all of her 911 00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:21,245 >> I wanted to see all of her garments, all of her clothing, 912 00:31:21,247 --> 00:31:22,579 garments, all of her clothing, because when an individual is 913 00:31:22,581 --> 00:31:24,314 because when an individual is in the process of carrying out 914 00:31:24,316 --> 00:31:26,049 in the process of carrying out an assault on someone with an 915 00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:27,217 an assault on someone with an edged weapon, with a knife, 916 00:31:27,219 --> 00:31:28,118 edged weapon, with a knife, their hand slips off of the 917 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,952 their hand slips off of the grip over the blade. They 918 00:31:28,954 --> 00:31:30,087 grip over the blade. They accidentally cut themselves. So 919 00:31:30,089 --> 00:31:32,055 accidentally cut themselves. So this individual's blood might 920 00:31:32,057 --> 00:31:35,826 this individual's blood might have wound up on the victim's 921 00:31:35,828 --> 00:31:36,293 have wound up on the victim's clothing. 922 00:31:36,295 --> 00:31:38,562 Clothing. >> We originally requested the 923 00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:40,464 >> we originally requested the DNA testing in October. It was 924 00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:41,899 DNA testing in October. It was granted by the judge, and we 925 00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:44,334 granted by the judge, and we were told it would take six to 926 00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:46,937 were told it would take six to eight weeks. So, November went 927 00:31:46,939 --> 00:31:50,073 eight weeks. So, November went by, December went by, January 928 00:31:50,075 --> 00:31:52,609 by, December went by, January went by, and we still ain't 929 00:31:52,611 --> 00:31:53,744 went by, and we still ain't heard no results. And I'm like, 930 00:31:53,746 --> 00:31:54,745 heard no results. And I'm like, "what's going on? " And then it 931 00:31:54,747 --> 00:31:55,779 "what's going on? " And then it turned out that they actually 932 00:31:55,781 --> 00:32:00,083 turned out that they actually had the test results done. They 933 00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:05,222 had the test results done. They didn't like the results,'cause 934 00:32:05,224 --> 00:32:08,759 didn't like the results,'cause >> five years after ray krone's 935 00:32:08,761 --> 00:32:09,760 >> five years after ray krone's second conviction, he waited in 936 00:32:09,762 --> 00:32:10,761 second conviction, he waited in prison for the results of a new 937 00:32:10,763 --> 00:32:11,395 prison for the results of a new round of DNA tests. 938 00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:13,096 Round of DNA tests. >> A DNA profile was uploaded 939 00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,798 >> a DNA profile was uploaded into the codis national DNA 940 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,832 into the codis national DNA database. Whether the person 941 00:32:15,834 --> 00:32:16,833 database. Whether the person that did the crime was in the 942 00:32:16,835 --> 00:32:17,801 that did the crime was in the database -- that was a shot in 943 00:32:17,803 --> 00:32:19,369 database -- that was a shot in the dark. But in the end, they 944 00:32:19,371 --> 00:32:20,637 the dark. But in the end, they got a hit towards a person 945 00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:21,271 got a hit towards a person named Ken Phillips. 946 00:32:21,273 --> 00:32:28,712 Named Ken Phillips. >> Kenneth Phillips was a hopi 947 00:32:28,714 --> 00:32:31,081 >> Kenneth Phillips was a hopi Indian that lived about 500 948 00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:33,250 Indian that lived about 500 yards from the CBS lounge. He 949 00:32:33,252 --> 00:32:41,058 yards from the CBS lounge. He was a hardcore drinker. He had 950 00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:41,825 was a hardcore drinker. He had a record of sexual assault. 951 00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:44,695 A record of sexual assault. >> Phillips was already in 952 00:32:44,697 --> 00:32:45,595 >> Phillips was already in prison for sexual assault, and 953 00:32:45,597 --> 00:32:46,363 prison for sexual assault, and he matched the description 954 00:32:46,365 --> 00:32:47,898 he matched the description given to police on the morning 955 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:48,432 given to police on the morning of the murder. 956 00:32:48,434 --> 00:32:51,368 Of the murder. >> I called up Noel Levy, and I 957 00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:52,569 >> I called up Noel Levy, and I said, "you know, you have to 958 00:32:52,571 --> 00:32:54,905 said, "you know, you have to release ray krone, and you have 959 00:32:54,907 --> 00:32:56,173 release ray krone, and you have to release him now." And he 960 00:32:56,175 --> 00:32:57,474 to release him now." And he said, "no. That's a tentative 961 00:32:57,476 --> 00:32:58,809 said, "no. That's a tentative hit. That's just a mistake. 962 00:32:58,811 --> 00:32:59,343 Hit. That's just a mistake. It's a fluke." 963 00:32:59,345 --> 00:33:02,846 It's a fluke." >> With the prosecutor's office 964 00:33:02,848 --> 00:33:04,414 >> with the prosecutor's office dragging their feet, Ray's 965 00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:06,750 dragging their feet, Ray's forensic investigator, Thomas 966 00:33:06,752 --> 00:33:15,492 forensic investigator, Thomas streed, visited Phillips in 967 00:33:15,494 --> 00:33:15,926 streed, visited Phillips in prison. 968 00:33:15,928 --> 00:33:17,194 Prison. >> We were seated at a table in 969 00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:18,095 >> we were seated at a table in the cafeteria, and I said, "you 970 00:33:18,097 --> 00:33:19,162 the cafeteria, and I said, "you must have felt absolutely 971 00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:20,764 must have felt absolutely horrible coming home that night, 972 00:33:20,766 --> 00:33:21,865 horrible coming home that night, all covered with all of that 973 00:33:21,867 --> 00:33:22,132 all covered with all of that blood." 974 00:33:22,134 --> 00:33:32,476 Blood." >> over the course of the 975 00:33:32,478 --> 00:33:33,677 >> over the course of the interrogation, Phillips 976 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,746 interrogation, Phillips recalled an altercation with 977 00:33:35,748 --> 00:33:38,382 recalled an altercation with Kim ancona and later waking up 978 00:33:38,384 --> 00:33:39,082 Kim ancona and later waking up with blood on his hands. 979 00:33:39,084 --> 00:33:47,190 With blood on his hands. >> After the conversation with 980 00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:48,291 >> after the conversation with him ended, we were convinced 981 00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:50,227 him ended, we were convinced that he was absolutely, 982 00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:51,028 that he was absolutely, unequivocally, without any 983 00:33:51,030 --> 00:33:52,429 unequivocally, without any question whatsoever the sole 984 00:33:52,431 --> 00:33:57,134 question whatsoever the sole individual responsible for 985 00:33:57,136 --> 00:33:57,901 individual responsible for Kimberly ancona's murder. 986 00:33:57,903 --> 00:33:59,369 Kimberly ancona's murder. >> Streed's suspicions were 987 00:33:59,371 --> 00:34:00,237 >> streed's suspicions were confirmed when the hair and 988 00:34:00,239 --> 00:34:01,605 confirmed when the hair and fingerprints found on the scene 989 00:34:01,607 --> 00:34:02,773 fingerprints found on the scene matched back to Kenneth 990 00:34:02,775 --> 00:34:03,240 matched back to Kenneth Phillips. 991 00:34:03,242 --> 00:34:04,941 Phillips. >> And here's the great part -- 992 00:34:04,943 --> 00:34:08,478 >> and here's the great part -- Kenneth Phillips does not have 993 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,546 Kenneth Phillips does not have crooked teeth. Their entire 994 00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:10,747 crooked teeth. Their entire theory that only someone with 995 00:34:10,749 --> 00:34:12,049 theory that only someone with crooked teeth could have bit 996 00:34:12,051 --> 00:34:13,283 crooked teeth could have bit that woman on the breast as he 997 00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:14,851 that woman on the breast as he killed her was wrong from the 998 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:15,252 killed her was wrong from the start. 999 00:34:15,254 --> 00:34:18,755 Start. >> On April 8, 2002, ray 1000 00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:19,556 >> on April 8, 2002, ray received a phone call from his 1001 00:34:19,558 --> 00:34:20,090 received a phone call from his defense team. 1002 00:34:20,092 --> 00:34:22,225 Defense team. >> My attorney, he said, "ray, 1003 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:27,597 >> my attorney, he said, "ray, how are you doing today? " I 1004 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,099 how are you doing today? " I said, "fine. Just another day 1005 00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:30,167 said, "fine. Just another day in paradise." He laughed, and 1006 00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:31,034 in paradise." He laughed, and then he said, "well, what are 1007 00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:32,502 then he said, "well, what are you hungry for? You want 1008 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:35,105 you hungry for? You want seafood, Mexican food, steak, a 1009 00:34:35,107 --> 00:34:37,107 seafood, Mexican food, steak, a beer? What would you like? " I 1010 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:39,342 beer? What would you like? " I said, "what are you talking 1011 00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:42,279 said, "what are you talking about? I'll eat whatever's in 1012 00:34:42,281 --> 00:34:43,213 about? I'll eat whatever's in the chow." He said, "I just got 1013 00:34:43,215 --> 00:34:44,481 the chow." He said, "I just got off the phone with the 1014 00:34:44,483 --> 00:34:45,916 off the phone with the prosecutor's office. They just 1015 00:34:45,918 --> 00:34:47,017 prosecutor's office. They just got back from the judge's 1016 00:34:47,019 --> 00:34:48,418 got back from the judge's chambers. They're cutting the 1017 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:49,453 chambers. They're cutting the paperwork. You're coming home 1018 00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:50,987 paperwork. You're coming home today." And of course, I -- 1019 00:34:50,989 --> 00:34:53,023 today." and of course, I -- "what -- what did you just say? 1020 00:34:53,025 --> 00:34:53,924 "What -- what did you just say? " He said, "roll up, ray. It's 1021 00:34:53,926 --> 00:34:57,360 " he said, "roll up, ray. It's all over. You're coming home." 1022 00:34:57,362 --> 00:34:59,863 All over. You're coming home." >> I drove over to the prison 1023 00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:02,099 >> I drove over to the prison in Arizona, and I could hear a 1024 00:35:02,101 --> 00:35:03,834 in Arizona, and I could hear a big, you know, clapping and 1025 00:35:03,836 --> 00:35:04,534 big, you know, clapping and yelling and so forth. 1026 00:35:04,536 --> 00:35:09,306 Yelling and so forth. >> They're all jumping up down 1027 00:35:09,308 --> 00:35:10,107 >> they're all jumping up down here. They had the TV was on. 1028 00:35:10,109 --> 00:35:10,974 Here. They had the TV was on. It was saying about how I was 1029 00:35:10,976 --> 00:35:11,942 it was saying about how I was being released. And they're all 1030 00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:13,543 being released. And they're all -- emotional things happened 1031 00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:15,145 -- emotional things happened that I still remember. They're 1032 00:35:15,147 --> 00:35:16,146 that I still remember. They're jumping up and down in their 1033 00:35:16,148 --> 00:35:17,814 jumping up and down in their beds, saying, "go home, ray 1034 00:35:17,816 --> 00:35:18,815 beds, saying, "go home, ray krone. Go home, ray krone." 1035 00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:19,716 Krone. Go home, ray krone." They're all excited for me, 1036 00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:20,917 they're all excited for me, 'cause they just seen on TV it 1037 00:35:20,919 --> 00:35:22,652 'cause they just seen on TV it was just announced that I was 1038 00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:23,220 was just announced that I was being released. 1039 00:35:23,222 --> 00:35:24,721 Being released. >> As soon as I got the call 1040 00:35:24,723 --> 00:35:28,158 >> as soon as I got the call that ray was being released, 1041 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,693 that ray was being released, called my husband and Ray's 1042 00:35:29,695 --> 00:35:33,663 called my husband and Ray's younger brother, and the three 1043 00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:34,965 younger brother, and the three of US drove straight through, 1044 00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:36,333 of US drove straight through, 27 hours to Phoenix. Man. 1045 00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:40,437 27 hours to Phoenix. Man. To see him standing on free 1046 00:35:40,439 --> 00:35:41,505 to see him standing on free ground and able to touch him 1047 00:35:41,507 --> 00:35:42,739 ground and able to touch him and talk to him, you know, it 1048 00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:47,444 and talk to him, you know, it was like, "this is what we've 1049 00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:50,680 was like, "this is what we've been waiting for, and now it 1050 00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:53,116 been waiting for, and now it finally happened." It was a 1051 00:35:53,118 --> 00:35:55,018 finally happened." It was a dream. Now nothing's gonna keep 1052 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:57,587 dream. Now nothing's gonna keep US away from ray for as long as 1053 00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:59,656 US away from ray for as long as we want. And he can eat what he 1054 00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:03,260 we want. And he can eat what he wants and go where he wants and 1055 00:36:03,262 --> 00:36:05,195 wants and go where he wants and wear what he wants and say what 1056 00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:08,365 wear what he wants and say what he wants, and -- - it's 1057 00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:08,932 he wants, and -- - it's gonna be great. 1058 00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:12,135 Gonna be great. >> I got a phone call from a 1059 00:36:12,137 --> 00:36:20,977 >> I got a phone call from a friend said, "you need to turn 1060 00:36:20,979 --> 00:36:23,680 friend said, "you need to turn on the TV right now." And I 1061 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:25,382 on the TV right now." And I turned it on, and they were 1062 00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:26,216 turned it on, and they were talking about letting him go. 1063 00:36:26,218 --> 00:36:28,318 Talking about letting him go. At first, I was in shock. "Why? 1064 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,687 At first, I was in shock. "Why? What's going on? " And as I 1065 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:35,091 what's going on? " And as I listened to the rest of the 1066 00:36:35,093 --> 00:36:36,359 listened to the rest of the story, they said based off of 1067 00:36:36,361 --> 00:36:38,495 story, they said based off of DNA evidence, and that is when 1068 00:36:38,497 --> 00:36:39,396 DNA evidence, and that is when it clicked, he really didn't do 1069 00:36:39,398 --> 00:36:39,729 it clicked, he really didn't do it. 1070 00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:47,437 It. >> During the trial, he seemed 1071 00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:49,472 >> during the trial, he seemed very cocky and confident, and 1072 00:36:49,474 --> 00:36:52,175 very cocky and confident, and that made me feel a lot of 1073 00:36:52,177 --> 00:36:53,843 that made me feel a lot of anger. I realized why he was 1074 00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:55,545 anger. I realized why he was like that -- because he was 1075 00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:56,012 like that -- because he was innocent. 1076 00:36:56,014 --> 00:36:59,716 Innocent. >> Kenneth Phillips eventually 1077 00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:03,920 >> Kenneth Phillips eventually pleaded guilty to the murder of 1078 00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:06,656 pleaded guilty to the murder of Kim ancona. He was sentenced to 1079 00:37:06,658 --> 00:37:07,290 Kim ancona. He was sentenced to 53 years in prison. 1080 00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:11,027 53 years in prison. >> We owed it to Kim to find 1081 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:12,896 >> we owed it to Kim to find the man who really killed her, 1082 00:37:12,898 --> 00:37:17,467 the man who really killed her, not to send an innocent man to 1083 00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:18,835 not to send an innocent man to prison. Kim deserved so much 1084 00:37:18,837 --> 00:37:19,903 prison. Kim deserved so much better. Her family deserved so 1085 00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:20,403 better. Her family deserved so much better. 1086 00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:28,044 Much better. >> I actually apologized to 1087 00:37:28,046 --> 00:37:30,280 >> I actually apologized to ray. I wrote him. I told him 1088 00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:31,548 ray. I wrote him. I told him that I'm very thankful that he 1089 00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:33,450 that I'm very thankful that he was proven innocent. And then 1090 00:37:33,452 --> 00:37:35,285 was proven innocent. And then him losing 11 years of his life, 1091 00:37:35,287 --> 00:37:36,553 him losing 11 years of his life, something he didn't do, it was 1092 00:37:36,555 --> 00:37:37,687 something he didn't do, it was really heartbreaking. I felt 1093 00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:37,954 really heartbreaking. I felt guilty. 1094 00:37:37,956 --> 00:37:39,856 Guilty. >> After spending over a decade 1095 00:37:39,858 --> 00:37:41,324 >> after spending over a decade in prison, ray krone became the 1096 00:37:41,326 --> 00:37:42,492 in prison, ray krone became the 100th death row exoneree in the 1097 00:37:42,494 --> 00:37:43,059 100th death row exoneree in the United States. 1098 00:37:43,061 --> 00:37:48,898 United States. >> People started to question, 1099 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,300 >> people started to question, how could a regular person be 1100 00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:52,335 how could a regular person be put on death row and convicted 1101 00:37:52,337 --> 00:37:53,937 put on death row and convicted not once, but twice based upon 1102 00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:54,571 not once, but twice based upon bite-Mark evidence. 1103 00:37:54,573 --> 00:37:57,307 Bite-Mark evidence. >> And so bite-Mark analysis -- 1104 00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:59,809 >> and so bite-Mark analysis -- is it a valuable crime-fighting 1105 00:37:59,811 --> 00:38:00,577 is it a valuable crime-fighting tool, or is it junk science? 1106 00:38:00,579 --> 00:38:03,146 Tool, or is it junk science? >> Ray krone's story -- I think 1107 00:38:03,148 --> 00:38:03,980 >> ray krone's story -- I think what most people see and worry 1108 00:38:03,982 --> 00:38:05,282 what most people see and worry about is that there could be 1109 00:38:05,284 --> 00:38:06,449 about is that there could be others like him that were 1110 00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:07,651 others like him that were convicted on this sort of 1111 00:38:07,653 --> 00:38:08,418 convicted on this sort of science, they got it wrong. 1112 00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:10,253 Science, they got it wrong. >> Ray's story was a horror 1113 00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:11,254 >> Ray's story was a horror story. This is a totally 1114 00:38:11,256 --> 00:38:12,389 story. This is a totally innocent guy who gets caught up 1115 00:38:12,391 --> 00:38:14,524 innocent guy who gets caught up in the egos and incompetence of 1116 00:38:14,526 --> 00:38:16,026 in the egos and incompetence of people in Arizona and ends up 1117 00:38:16,028 --> 00:38:17,527 people in Arizona and ends up losing 10 years of his life. It 1118 00:38:17,529 --> 00:38:20,363 losing 10 years of his life. It was a travesty of justice. I 1119 00:38:20,365 --> 00:38:21,898 was a travesty of justice. I would hope people in Arizona 1120 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,233 would hope people in Arizona had learned from the ray krone 1121 00:38:23,235 --> 00:38:24,567 had learned from the ray krone case, but I wouldn't bet my 1122 00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:25,068 case, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. 1123 00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:28,071 Life on it. >> I lost complete faith in the 1124 00:38:28,073 --> 00:38:30,073 >> I lost complete faith in the entire system, and that's when 1125 00:38:30,075 --> 00:38:31,708 entire system, and that's when I started realizing and 1126 00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:34,511 I started realizing and thinking, "he's probably not 1127 00:38:34,513 --> 00:38:35,512 thinking, "he's probably not the only one, and this has 1128 00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:36,079 the only one, and this has happened a lot." 1129 00:38:36,081 --> 00:38:37,814 Happened a lot." >> If they can put me on death 1130 00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:39,115 >> if they can put me on death row, they put anybody on death 1131 00:38:39,117 --> 00:38:40,150 row, they put anybody on death row. I didn't have a record. 1132 00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:41,351 Row. I didn't have a record. I'm not a monster. I'm a 1133 00:38:41,353 --> 00:38:42,419 I'm not a monster. I'm a veteran. I work for the post 1134 00:38:42,421 --> 00:38:43,620 veteran. I work for the post office. And so I share my story 1135 00:38:43,622 --> 00:38:45,455 office. And so I share my story with civilians, people in law 1136 00:38:45,457 --> 00:38:46,589 with civilians, people in law school, people in colleges, 1137 00:38:46,591 --> 00:38:48,758 school, people in colleges, people in churches that one day 1138 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,760 people in churches that one day might serve on a jury. You know, 1139 00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:52,362 might serve on a jury. You know, just make sure you got beyond 1140 00:38:52,364 --> 00:38:54,464 just make sure you got beyond reasonable doubt that they are 1141 00:38:54,466 --> 00:38:55,865 reasonable doubt that they are guilty, that just because they 1142 00:38:55,867 --> 00:38:57,667 guilty, that just because they were arrested doesn't mean they 1143 00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:58,935 were arrested doesn't mean they did something. If we kill them, 1144 00:38:58,937 --> 00:39:00,070 did something. If we kill them, we can't bring them back if we 1145 00:39:00,072 --> 00:39:00,837 we can't bring them back if we found out we made a mistake, 1146 00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:15,785 found out we made a mistake, and we do make mistakes. 109082

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