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The only reality. . . .
lt proves that it's real.
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Otherwise, you wouldn't waste
your time with me.
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We have sources.
We know a few things.
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We have some information.
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But what we would like from you
is something more.
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Something more
besides what we know.
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You agreed to see us
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although you knew
what we were going to talk about.
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You agreed to be filmed.
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Why did you agree to be filmed?
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l agreed because l take full
responsibility for my actions
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for the fact that l gamble
and take huge risks.
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Now, as far as me being crazy,
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l will leave it to you to assess
the extent of my insanity.
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Do you think that what you've told us
is only a matter of insanity?
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Not at all.
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ls it a passion?
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Yes, it's a passion.
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An absolute passion for gambling
and , most of all , for taking risks.
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Gambling and taking risks.
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When you do a scratch-off lottery
game, you don't take any risks.
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You are one of those people
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who like to put themselves
in extreme situations.
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Absolutely.
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What kind of pleasure do you get
from extreme situations,
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knowing that you can lose your life?
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l think that probably has to do
with my genes.
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lt's inside of you.
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You want to do things
that are not real.
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Because life and death are not real.
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So there is life and there is death.
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You don't enjoy life?
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Sure, l completely enjoy it.
But l'm willing to gamble my life.
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l completely enjoy it, since the money
l get will improve my life,
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it will give me the opportunity to do
things that l could not have done.
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So l do enjoy life.
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But l am willing to gamble my life
so l can have that money.
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lf there was no money involved ,
would you have done it?
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Absolutely not.
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Earlier, you were talking
about pleasure.
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Sure, pleasure. Of course.
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But if there is no money. . . .
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l'm not going to risk my life
for no money.
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What do you like to do?
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l like a little bit of everything.
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l like art, l like cinema, of course.
l like traveling.
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l also like to help non-profit
organizations for people who suffer.
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Because you're one of them?
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Most probably.
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What makes life enjoyable?
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Money. Because money is happiness.
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Those who say that it only helps
are wrong. Money is happiness.
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lf you don't have any money,
you're nothing.
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So, to own a house, a car,
not to struggle to make ends meet.
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That's the real pleasure in life.
To live as you want.
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Of course, one should not
be a megalomaniac
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and buy a Ferrari
when they can only afford a Sedan.
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See what l mean?
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Do you like women?
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A bit too much.
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Can you explain?
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They're very expensive.
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Are you in love?
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No.
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Have you ever been?
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Yes, l was in love with my wife,
of course.
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You're asking me if l'm in love.
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l'm probably still in love with her,
even though we are divorced.
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l think l'll be in love with her
all my life.
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lf she found out
that you have killed people,
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if your children found out
that you have killed people,
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what would they think?
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l don't think they would believe me.
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They would think l'm lying.
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They would say,
''Daddy's a little delusional.''
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Do you prefer it that way?
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Totally.
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Like l was saying earlier,
these are two very different lives.
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The life of a simple worker
and the life of a gambler.
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How old are you?
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58.
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ls it something that happens
only in France?
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No. lt's worldwide.
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Have you already traveled
to a different country to play?
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Various countries, of course.
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And you're not afraid
of being filmed right now?
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Absolutely not.
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Why, because there are no proofs?
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There are no proofs.
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Besides, l take responsibility,
and my contacts are untouchable.
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What do you mean by that?
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They are untouchable because
l will never give up my contacts.
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lt's a fundamental rule of the game.
You don't give out your contacts.
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Are you the one who contacts them?
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No. They contact me directly.
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l won't tell you how.
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What kind of game is it?
ls it a random game?
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ls it a game for mentally ill people?
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l think it is a game
of planned insanity.
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The good thing is that we play
in extreme conditions,
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as you can imagine.
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There may be alcohol ,
there may be drugs, you name it.
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So you don't think about death.
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You only think about the game
and its purpose, which is money.
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Quickly earned money.
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Do you have the right to kill because
you've already agreed to die?
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Sure, since it is
the rule of the game.
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Sure, since it is
the rule of the game.
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Kill or be killed.
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Are you serious?
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Absolutely.
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You don't think l'm serious?
l'm very serious.
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ls it a passion?
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Yes, an absolute passion. A passion
for gambling and for taking risks.
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When you do a scratch-off lottery
game, you don't take any risks.
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When the game starts,
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does everybody have
an equal chance of survival?
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How does it work?
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Yes, absolutely.
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ln that game,
everybody is on the same page.
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Everybody has an equal chance
to win or lose.
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There are no favors.
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There's no cheating?
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l don't think so. l don't think so.
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That would be terrible.
l don't think so.
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When the ammunition is given out,
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everybody takes ammunition
from a bag ,
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so l don't see how someone
could rig that.
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What do you like to do?
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l like a little bit of everything.
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l like art, l like cinema, of course.
l like traveling.
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l also like to help
non-profit organizations
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for people who suffer.
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Because you're one of them?
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Most probably.
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What makes life enjoyable?
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Money. Because money is happiness.
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Those who say that it only helps
are wrong. Money is happiness.
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lf you don't have any money,
you're nothing.
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So, to own a house, a car,
not to struggle to make ends meet.
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That's the real pleasure in life.
To live as you want.
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Of course, one should not be
a megalomaniac
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and buy a Ferrari
when they can only afford a Sedan.
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See what l mean?
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So you're saying you enjoy life?
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Totally.
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Life is a part of death
and death is a part of life.
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When you start something ,
you take full responsibility.
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lf not, don't do it.
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lt's existence you're talking about.
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lf you don't exist anymore,
taking responsibility--
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l like your response. l can tell
you have a problem with death.
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But you know, everyone will die.
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lf l die in a game after agreeing
to the rules of the game,
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l will have no regrets.
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No regrets. l have agreed
to the rules of the game.
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You have to understand that.
l have agreed to the rules.
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And in that terrible game, you have
death or money as an outcome.
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l don't think about the other guy.
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l have completely demystified
the other guy.
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What do you have to say
about society?
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What l have to say about society
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is that human beings most probably
have multiple personalities.
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And you can live
with very different personalities.
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One can be a murderer
and a working father?
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There is no murder in this.
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A murder is
when you kill somebody for. . . .
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There is no murder here.
lt's a game.
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There are murders, though.
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Absolutely not. There are no murders.
lt's a game.
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You can't say that it's murder.
Absolutely not.
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lt's not murder. lt's a game
where people agree to die.
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So it's not murder.
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lt's an accident during the game.
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Now, of course, l may be insane.
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l will leave it to you to assess
the extent of my insanity.
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