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Do it now! 14 00:00:56,291 --> 00:00:57,323 Behind your back! 15 00:00:58,092 --> 00:00:59,091 Just shoot me! 16 00:00:59,093 --> 00:01:01,226 Did you shoot my dog? 17 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:03,028 Did you shoot my fucking dog? 18 00:01:03,996 --> 00:01:04,836 Oh my God! 19 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:14,837 What the fuck did you do that for? 20 00:01:15,206 --> 00:01:16,205 If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, 21 00:01:16,207 --> 00:01:17,640 one will be appointed 22 00:01:17,641 --> 00:01:19,074 to represent you and answer any questions you wish. 23 00:01:19,076 --> 00:01:21,209 You can decide at anytime to exercise these rights, 24 00:01:21,211 --> 00:01:23,544 not to answer any questions or make any statements. 25 00:01:23,546 --> 00:01:26,246 Do you understand? Do you understand? 26 00:01:28,049 --> 00:01:29,882 We'll take that as a yes. 27 00:01:30,217 --> 00:01:30,717 ΒΆ 28 00:01:38,091 --> 00:01:44,562 We can't live in a society which is both free 29 00:01:44,564 --> 00:01:47,330 and drug-free. You can't have 'em both. 30 00:01:50,101 --> 00:01:56,205 The whole process of moving from one state of mind 31 00:01:56,207 --> 00:02:00,909 being persuaded to another by seeing the truth 32 00:02:00,911 --> 00:02:05,013 is one of actually feeling an identification 33 00:02:05,015 --> 00:02:08,883 that resonates and has a feeling of wholeness 34 00:02:08,885 --> 00:02:14,988 and coherence to it. It makes chaos orderly. 35 00:02:16,191 --> 00:02:20,292 It's the mindset that got us here 36 00:02:20,294 --> 00:02:22,360 and the journey that we've taken. 37 00:02:22,695 --> 00:02:27,163 Fifty years of criminalization. It came out of the whole idea 38 00:02:27,165 --> 00:02:29,198 that we don't have to care for each other anymore. 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,835 It's every man for himself. We weren't always like that! 40 00:02:33,837 --> 00:02:35,169 The question is, can we go back 41 00:02:35,171 --> 00:02:37,304 to caring about each other? 42 00:02:49,351 --> 00:02:52,684 What are the nuances that define a culture? 43 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:56,053 Is it the way we police ourselves? 44 00:02:57,056 --> 00:02:59,056 The way we take care of our sick? 45 00:03:00,358 --> 00:03:01,857 How we govern? 46 00:03:03,293 --> 00:03:05,693 The way we share information? 47 00:03:06,362 --> 00:03:11,030 77 years ago, marijuana became prohibited in the United States. 48 00:03:11,198 --> 00:03:16,300 By 1961, its criminalization reached global status. 49 00:03:17,202 --> 00:03:20,102 Today, we find the topic of marijuana's legality 50 00:03:20,104 --> 00:03:25,039 penetrating all forms of media and every level of politics. 51 00:03:26,208 --> 00:03:28,274 It is now the polarizing topic 52 00:03:28,276 --> 00:03:31,810 in an endless display of public debates. 53 00:03:32,746 --> 00:03:37,214 The goal? To answer the question that refuses to die: 54 00:03:37,216 --> 00:03:40,183 Should marijuana be legalized? 55 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:46,053 But, ever so slowly, a second question is starting to appear 56 00:03:46,722 --> 00:03:49,122 a question that seeks an answer to whether marijuana 57 00:03:49,124 --> 00:03:52,058 prohibition itself has gained characteristics 58 00:03:52,060 --> 00:03:55,327 that reveal a greater truth about ourselves 59 00:03:55,329 --> 00:03:58,163 and the way our society operates. 60 00:03:59,065 --> 00:04:02,733 Is this a bad idea? Is this a downward spiral of our culture? 61 00:04:02,935 --> 00:04:05,068 A new study reveals that smoking marijuana 62 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:07,837 could increase your risk for testicular cancer. 63 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,371 So the research doesn't bother you 64 00:04:09,373 --> 00:04:11,940 that smoking pot can cause man boobs? 65 00:04:11,942 --> 00:04:13,741 Pot just makes you dumb. 66 00:04:13,976 --> 00:04:16,977 What's to keep somebody from gettin' all potted-up on weed 67 00:04:16,979 --> 00:04:18,211 and then gittin' behind the wheel? 68 00:04:18,213 --> 00:04:22,448 "Marijuana leads to breast development in males,". 69 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:26,017 Like all of these myths, front page story! 70 00:04:26,686 --> 00:04:30,487 Those things have been coming along one, after another. 71 00:04:30,822 --> 00:04:35,023 I should be impotent when I smoke marijuana. Well I'm not! 72 00:04:35,358 --> 00:04:38,926 The thought process behind demonizing something like 73 00:04:38,928 --> 00:04:40,928 marijuana is completely out of ignorance. 74 00:04:40,930 --> 00:04:42,396 Where's the bodies? 75 00:04:42,397 --> 00:04:43,863 Where's the numbers? Is there one? 76 00:04:43,866 --> 00:04:46,700 Because I have heard from experts whose judgment 77 00:04:46,702 --> 00:04:48,935 I respect that they don't know of any. 78 00:04:48,937 --> 00:04:51,037 The only way marijuana can kill you is if you 79 00:04:51,039 --> 00:04:54,740 take 25lbs of it and you throw it out of a CIA drug plane 80 00:04:54,742 --> 00:04:56,341 and it hits you in the fuckin' head. 81 00:04:56,343 --> 00:04:57,842 That's how you die from marijuana. 82 00:04:57,844 --> 00:04:59,810 There's that famous 911 call 83 00:04:59,812 --> 00:05:01,912 where those cops stole pot from some kids, 84 00:05:01,914 --> 00:05:03,446 and then turned it into pot brownies, 85 00:05:03,448 --> 00:05:05,331 and then ate the brownies 86 00:05:05,332 --> 00:05:07,772 and freaked the fuck out and called the cops on themselves. 87 00:05:14,490 --> 00:05:16,957 It's beautiful 'cause they thought they were dying, 88 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:20,226 time is going by really slow, they're fine. 89 00:05:20,228 --> 00:05:24,229 But everyone can agree anti- marijuana ads in this country 90 00:05:24,231 --> 00:05:26,497 have gotten fuckin' ridiculous. 91 00:05:26,966 --> 00:05:29,766 Like a girl will be melted on the couch with no bones 92 00:05:29,768 --> 00:05:32,301 and she's like, 'I smoked pot and now I don't have bones.' 93 00:05:32,303 --> 00:05:36,338 I associated a lot of these people that were smokin' pot 94 00:05:36,340 --> 00:05:39,808 with poorly motivated people who were failures. 95 00:05:39,810 --> 00:05:43,111 I had a prejudiced perception of what marijuana 96 00:05:43,113 --> 00:05:45,213 actually did to a human being. 97 00:05:46,115 --> 00:05:48,748 Among the perceived harms of marijuana, 98 00:05:48,750 --> 00:05:52,051 two seem to arise on a daily basis more than any others. 99 00:05:52,253 --> 00:05:55,120 Two seem to be the main reasons given 100 00:05:55,122 --> 00:05:59,057 for why marijuana must be kept from the public. The first: 101 00:05:59,059 --> 00:06:02,560 There's the famous 'just one spliff and you will go mental.' 102 00:06:12,270 --> 00:06:14,403 The more you mess with cannabis, 103 00:06:14,405 --> 00:06:16,922 the more it can mess with your mind. 104 00:06:16,923 --> 00:06:19,440 My first seven years as a researcher were devoted 105 00:06:19,443 --> 00:06:24,044 to schizophrenia. I can tell you, that is ridiculous. 106 00:06:24,046 --> 00:06:25,345 We looked at the evidence-I think 107 00:06:25,347 --> 00:06:28,381 we must have gone through about 2,000 papers 108 00:06:28,383 --> 00:06:30,916 and it doesn't cause schizophrenia. 109 00:06:30,918 --> 00:06:33,351 Maybe there are some individuals with schizophrenia 110 00:06:33,353 --> 00:06:36,387 in which the illness is brought on perhaps a little earlier 111 00:06:36,389 --> 00:06:38,055 because they smoked cannabis. 112 00:06:38,057 --> 00:06:41,925 There often is what's called a precipitating event. 113 00:06:41,927 --> 00:06:45,261 A precipitating event is something like an important 114 00:06:45,263 --> 00:06:49,398 loss of a person, a severe car accident... 115 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,201 It certainly can be exacerbated by a number of drugs. 116 00:06:53,203 --> 00:06:58,839 A bad alcohol trip can serve as a precipitating event, too. 117 00:06:59,141 --> 00:07:02,208 The fact is schizophrenia has a prevalence 118 00:07:02,210 --> 00:07:06,212 of about 1%... the world around. 119 00:07:06,214 --> 00:07:12,050 Cannabis use... let's start with the 60s, its gone up like that. 120 00:07:12,052 --> 00:07:14,152 So! You've introduced this new thing: 121 00:07:14,154 --> 00:07:15,853 If it's schizophrenogenic 122 00:07:15,855 --> 00:07:19,857 we should see a significant uptick in schizophrenia. 123 00:07:19,859 --> 00:07:22,926 We should see more people with schizophrenia. 124 00:07:22,928 --> 00:07:25,561 Schizophrenia has stayed just like that. 125 00:07:25,563 --> 00:07:29,364 In all of the epidemiologic studies that I'm aware of, 126 00:07:29,366 --> 00:07:31,499 there is no uptick. 127 00:07:31,501 --> 00:07:36,036 So if marijuana causes schizophrenia it was introduced 128 00:07:36,038 --> 00:07:37,537 now we should have more schizophrenia. 129 00:07:37,539 --> 00:07:39,439 We don't see that. 130 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,340 We would certainly see some little rise in that 131 00:07:41,342 --> 00:07:45,244 given the numbers of people who use this. 132 00:07:45,246 --> 00:07:48,046 You really do need to strip this back and address this 133 00:07:48,048 --> 00:07:52,183 from a neutral platform to understand that 134 00:07:52,185 --> 00:07:55,286 anything to do with mental health is such a tenuous issue 135 00:07:55,288 --> 00:07:58,622 built upon different contributing factors 136 00:07:58,624 --> 00:08:01,091 and by applying it all to cannabis 137 00:08:01,093 --> 00:08:02,559 you are possibly doing more harm 138 00:08:02,561 --> 00:08:05,495 because you are negating all these other factors 139 00:08:05,497 --> 00:08:07,997 that certainly play a part. 140 00:08:10,968 --> 00:08:14,736 For a lot of people, the impact of life itself is overwhelming 141 00:08:14,738 --> 00:08:19,640 so they'll seek out something to distract them 142 00:08:19,642 --> 00:08:23,176 whether it's drinkin' cough syrup or takin' naps 143 00:08:23,178 --> 00:08:25,111 or jerking off or gambling. 144 00:08:25,113 --> 00:08:27,046 There's a lot of things that people do 145 00:08:27,048 --> 00:08:31,250 to distract them from the angst of being alive. 146 00:08:31,252 --> 00:08:34,052 It might not be for you, it might make you paranoid; 147 00:08:34,054 --> 00:08:37,221 You might have smoked some bad weed once 148 00:08:37,223 --> 00:08:39,189 and thought you were having a heart attack. 149 00:08:39,191 --> 00:08:41,024 Cannabis is not for everybody. 150 00:08:41,026 --> 00:08:42,625 Nobody should be forced to use it. 151 00:08:42,627 --> 00:08:46,662 There's a lot of reasons why marijuana might not be for you. 152 00:08:46,664 --> 00:08:50,032 But you shouldn't tell me that it's not right for me. 153 00:08:50,534 --> 00:08:52,767 The most frequently-cited perceived harm 154 00:08:52,769 --> 00:08:55,770 associated with marijuana today is addiction. 155 00:08:55,772 --> 00:08:57,538 I mean, you do know it's addictive 156 00:08:57,540 --> 00:08:59,339 highly addictive-right? 157 00:08:59,341 --> 00:09:00,440 Because I believe it's addictive 158 00:09:00,442 --> 00:09:02,442 and it leads to more serious drugs... 159 00:09:03,611 --> 00:09:06,578 But in order to understand addiction in relation to marijuana 160 00:09:06,580 --> 00:09:09,347 one must first have an understanding of the psychology 161 00:09:09,349 --> 00:09:11,382 behind addiction in the first place. 162 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:14,518 It's interesting to see, or to ask, 'Who becomes addicted?' 163 00:09:14,753 --> 00:09:16,619 People can have sex without being addicted to it, 164 00:09:16,621 --> 00:09:18,454 they can go shopping, but some people 165 00:09:18,456 --> 00:09:21,723 become severely addicted to all these pursuits. 166 00:09:21,725 --> 00:09:24,425 Is a pack of cards addictive? Well, no. 167 00:09:24,427 --> 00:09:26,527 Or yes. Depending on the individual. 168 00:09:26,695 --> 00:09:29,128 So, it's the same process no matter what the addiction is. 169 00:09:29,330 --> 00:09:31,596 The only difference is really is that 170 00:09:31,598 --> 00:09:33,564 the substance addict is getting the dopamine from 171 00:09:33,566 --> 00:09:36,466 an outside substance, where the behaviour addict 172 00:09:36,468 --> 00:09:39,268 is having it triggered from the particular behaviour. 173 00:09:40,371 --> 00:09:43,472 If I speak to a group of 100 people or 1000 people and I ask 174 00:09:43,474 --> 00:09:46,675 how many of you have addiction issues to any substance? 175 00:09:47,177 --> 00:09:48,609 A number of people put their hands up, and I say. 176 00:09:48,611 --> 00:09:51,144 'What did it do for you? Not 'what was bad about it' 177 00:09:51,146 --> 00:09:52,778 we already know that, but what did it do for you? 178 00:09:52,780 --> 00:09:54,646 What was positive in your experience with it? 179 00:09:54,648 --> 00:09:58,783 Well, 'it gave me a sense of peace; It gave me pain relief. 180 00:09:59,385 --> 00:10:00,650 It made me feel more connected... 181 00:10:00,652 --> 00:10:02,184 it made me more confident. 182 00:10:02,186 --> 00:10:04,619 I could speak now and interact with people. 183 00:10:04,821 --> 00:10:07,454 In other words, the addict is just after wanting to be 184 00:10:07,456 --> 00:10:09,689 a normal human being and the real question is, 185 00:10:09,691 --> 00:10:12,291 what keeps them from having those qualities in their lives 186 00:10:12,293 --> 00:10:13,493 and what happened to them? 187 00:10:14,661 --> 00:10:17,061 And so the addiction should be seen, not as the problem 188 00:10:17,063 --> 00:10:19,430 although it is a problem, but it's not the problem. 189 00:10:19,432 --> 00:10:21,632 It's the addict's attempt to solve the problem 190 00:10:21,634 --> 00:10:22,699 in the first place. 191 00:10:22,701 --> 00:10:26,169 The Adverse Childhood Experiences studies 192 00:10:26,171 --> 00:10:27,436 done in California... 193 00:10:27,438 --> 00:10:30,639 looked at conditions such as physical, sexual, 194 00:10:30,641 --> 00:10:32,841 emotional abuse in the child's life 195 00:10:32,843 --> 00:10:36,678 the loss of a parent to death or a rancorous divorce 196 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:39,180 or a parent being jailed or a mental illness in the parent 197 00:10:39,182 --> 00:10:41,415 or an addiction of the parent, or violence in the family 198 00:10:41,417 --> 00:10:43,583 and for each of these adverse childhood experiences, 199 00:10:43,585 --> 00:10:45,785 the risk of addiction goes up exponentially. 200 00:10:46,220 --> 00:10:49,621 By the time a male child had 6 of these adverse experiences 201 00:10:49,623 --> 00:10:52,724 his risk of having become a substance-dependent 202 00:10:52,726 --> 00:10:55,693 injection-using addict is 4600% greater 203 00:10:55,695 --> 00:10:58,696 than that of a male child with no such experiences. 204 00:10:58,698 --> 00:11:00,698 Why is that? 205 00:11:00,699 --> 00:11:02,699 Its because that trauma shapes their brain in such ways 206 00:11:02,702 --> 00:11:04,501 as to make the addictive substances 207 00:11:04,503 --> 00:11:06,769 more appealing to the individual. 208 00:11:07,138 --> 00:11:09,438 That trauma also gives that person the pain 209 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,641 that they will try to then escape from or soothe 210 00:11:12,643 --> 00:11:14,676 through the addictive behaviors. 211 00:11:15,111 --> 00:11:17,377 It's the social and emotional environment 212 00:11:17,379 --> 00:11:19,612 that shapes the actual biology of the brain 213 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:21,579 so if you want to understand someone's addiction, 214 00:11:21,581 --> 00:11:24,214 you have to look at what's created pain in their lives. 215 00:11:24,216 --> 00:11:25,882 The person who occasionally has a beer, 216 00:11:25,884 --> 00:11:29,252 occasionally smokes marijuana, 217 00:11:29,254 --> 00:11:31,687 but generally has no negative consequences; 218 00:11:31,689 --> 00:11:33,321 It does not impair their health, 219 00:11:33,323 --> 00:11:34,822 it does not endanger their lives, 220 00:11:34,824 --> 00:11:37,157 it does not impair their personal relationships- 221 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:38,658 you can't call those people addicts, 222 00:11:38,660 --> 00:11:40,660 and you can't call those behaviors addictive. 223 00:11:40,662 --> 00:11:42,695 So we have to make a real distinction between 224 00:11:42,697 --> 00:11:46,265 the use of substances and the addiction to substances. 225 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,500 Which then leads us to the "War on Drugs:" 226 00:11:48,502 --> 00:11:50,335 basically the War on Drugs is being waged against people 227 00:11:50,337 --> 00:11:52,437 that were abused and traumatized as children 228 00:11:52,439 --> 00:11:54,305 and have mental health problems. 229 00:11:54,307 --> 00:11:56,173 There's enough punishment in there- 230 00:11:56,175 --> 00:11:59,276 in the negative consequences of the addiction 231 00:11:59,278 --> 00:12:02,645 that we don't have to add punishment on to that. 232 00:12:04,815 --> 00:12:07,715 The number of deaths around the world 233 00:12:07,717 --> 00:12:10,851 from cigarette consumption is five-and-a-half million 234 00:12:10,853 --> 00:12:12,819 according to latest estimates. 235 00:12:12,821 --> 00:12:15,855 Annually, cigarettes kill as many people as were killed 236 00:12:15,857 --> 00:12:19,258 in the Germans' anti-Jewish genocidal campaign. 237 00:12:20,294 --> 00:12:23,928 So we have a holocaust annually, owing to cigarettes. 238 00:12:25,731 --> 00:12:28,698 If you smoke more than two packs a day, 239 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:32,367 the risk for developing lung cancer was twenty-fold. 240 00:12:33,169 --> 00:12:35,469 That's 2000%. 241 00:12:35,737 --> 00:12:38,504 Based on the largest case-controlled study ever done, 242 00:12:38,506 --> 00:12:40,772 there was no evidence that marijuana increased 243 00:12:40,774 --> 00:12:42,607 the risk of lung cancer. 244 00:12:43,343 --> 00:12:46,444 You've gotta have some consistency: There's a million 245 00:12:46,446 --> 00:12:48,846 different drugs that are sanctioned by the society 246 00:12:48,848 --> 00:12:50,848 that don't have that happy ending- 247 00:12:50,850 --> 00:12:52,783 - that you take too much and you're fucked. 248 00:12:52,785 --> 00:12:55,418 I've got a friend whose auntie had to go to rehab for 249 00:12:55,420 --> 00:12:57,520 buying two boxes of Krispy Kremes every day 250 00:12:57,522 --> 00:13:00,322 and eating them in the woods so nobody found her. 251 00:13:00,324 --> 00:13:04,859 Based on that anecdote, let's make Krispy Kremes illegal. 252 00:13:04,861 --> 00:13:07,728 I will fight any man, by the way who suggests that. 253 00:13:07,730 --> 00:13:10,297 It's just like eating a pound of salt and dying. 254 00:13:10,299 --> 00:13:12,899 Yeah, ya didn't use salt right dude. You fucked up with salt. 255 00:13:12,901 --> 00:13:14,667 If you just threw some salt on popcorn 256 00:13:14,669 --> 00:13:17,603 it's actually quite yummy, but what'd you do, you stupid fuck? 257 00:13:17,605 --> 00:13:19,338 You ate a pound of salt and you died. 258 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:20,906 Doesn't mean we should outlaw salt. 259 00:13:20,908 --> 00:13:23,708 Our society doesn't object to people jumping out of airplanes 260 00:13:23,710 --> 00:13:25,543 at fifteen thousand feet with parachutes. 261 00:13:25,545 --> 00:13:27,745 Occasionally those parachutes break; People die. 262 00:13:27,747 --> 00:13:31,248 Our society doesn't object to people climbing mountains. 263 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:33,416 Occasionally people fall off mountains and do harm 264 00:13:33,418 --> 00:13:36,452 to themselves, but it's not illegal to climb a mountain. 265 00:13:36,454 --> 00:13:38,654 If I had to compare marijuana to alcohol 266 00:13:38,656 --> 00:13:40,889 from the medical point of view, if I asked the question, 267 00:13:40,891 --> 00:13:44,259 'which of these has more potentially debilitating 268 00:13:44,261 --> 00:13:48,829 and harmful life threatening, health-eroding effects?' 269 00:13:48,831 --> 00:13:50,964 There's no comparison, there's no contest; 270 00:13:50,966 --> 00:13:52,832 Alcohol wins, hands down. 271 00:13:52,834 --> 00:13:56,969 The tune of 50000 plus per year die from alcohol poisoning. 272 00:13:56,971 --> 00:14:01,306 They literally drink themselves zero. 273 00:14:01,308 --> 00:14:05,576 Do we have a war on alcohol and tobacco when alcohol 274 00:14:05,578 --> 00:14:07,377 is the drug that's involved with more murders 275 00:14:07,379 --> 00:14:10,046 than any other drug on planet earth? 276 00:14:10,581 --> 00:14:12,681 How do we view the effect of beer? 277 00:14:20,623 --> 00:14:22,055 Holy shit! 278 00:14:22,323 --> 00:14:23,889 We are so dependent on it. 279 00:14:23,891 --> 00:14:27,525 If you have a social gathering and there isn't booze there, 280 00:14:27,527 --> 00:14:30,060 people lose their minds! 281 00:14:30,362 --> 00:14:31,928 Let's go to the pub 282 00:14:31,930 --> 00:14:33,296 when we talk about commiserating: 283 00:14:33,298 --> 00:14:36,115 Let's go to the pub. 284 00:14:36,116 --> 00:14:38,933 I'm happy let's go to the pub! My dog died let's go to the pub. 285 00:14:39,970 --> 00:14:43,004 It's wines-day Wednesday. Best day of the week! 286 00:14:43,006 --> 00:14:44,405 Great job getting us drunk! 287 00:14:44,407 --> 00:14:45,539 We could all use a stiff drink. 288 00:14:45,541 --> 00:14:46,773 Fantastic! Margarita day. 289 00:14:46,775 --> 00:14:48,808 If you're not gonna drink it, pass it around. 290 00:14:48,810 --> 00:14:50,976 How are you spending New Year's Eve? 291 00:14:51,311 --> 00:14:52,943 I'm gonna get real drunk! 292 00:14:53,545 --> 00:14:55,278 Many years ago, we did a poll in parliament 293 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,546 and we asked them, 'is alcohol a drug?' 294 00:14:57,548 --> 00:15:01,583 And the majority of politicians said alcohol was not a drug. 295 00:15:01,585 --> 00:15:04,786 And they say well, it's not a drug because it's not illegal. 296 00:15:05,288 --> 00:15:08,956 And that gets to this peculiar, dangerous concept 297 00:15:08,958 --> 00:15:11,792 that once something's illegal, it must be dangerous, 298 00:15:12,528 --> 00:15:15,562 and when something's not illegal, it must be safe. 299 00:15:15,564 --> 00:15:17,564 So it's interesting if we look at the whole issue 300 00:15:17,566 --> 00:15:20,600 of illegal drugs in our society you'll find that 301 00:15:20,602 --> 00:15:23,436 when the word 'drug' is used to refer to those substances, 302 00:15:23,438 --> 00:15:25,337 another word is almost always attached to it 303 00:15:25,339 --> 00:15:26,806 and that is, 'abuse.' 304 00:15:27,108 --> 00:15:28,774 "Drug abuse." 305 00:15:28,909 --> 00:15:31,976 What happens is that all illicit drugs get lumped together. 306 00:15:31,978 --> 00:15:35,112 Caffeine is a drug, alcohol is a drug. 307 00:15:35,114 --> 00:15:37,514 Tylenol is a drug, Sudafed is a drug. 308 00:15:37,516 --> 00:15:40,183 Viagra is a drug. People, when they think of drugs, 309 00:15:40,185 --> 00:15:42,151 ...they think only of illicit drugs. 310 00:15:43,187 --> 00:15:48,190 Theres a mass of disinformation and that misinformation 311 00:15:48,192 --> 00:15:50,659 and disinformation confuses the shit out of people 312 00:15:50,661 --> 00:15:52,761 when they're trying to form their version of 313 00:15:52,763 --> 00:15:54,596 what's good and what's bad in the world. 314 00:15:54,598 --> 00:15:57,065 If it's absurd to throw someone in prison for drinking coffee 315 00:15:57,067 --> 00:15:59,667 or for drinking wine, then it's equally absurd and wrong 316 00:15:59,669 --> 00:16:02,202 to throw someone in prison for smoking cannabis. 317 00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:05,637 Nobody has ever overdosed on cannabis. D'you know that? 318 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:08,072 So what? They can't perform daily functions; 319 00:16:08,074 --> 00:16:10,174 They're going to be on my tax bill! 320 00:16:10,442 --> 00:16:16,946 The idea that one is OK and one isn't just seemed to require 321 00:16:16,948 --> 00:16:19,448 something resembling evidence before 322 00:16:19,450 --> 00:16:22,517 you could make that statement definitively. 323 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:25,653 One of the things I think is important about marijuana use 324 00:16:25,655 --> 00:16:29,956 or alcohol use or anything is that you're responsible with it 325 00:16:29,958 --> 00:16:32,258 and you could be irresponsible with anything 326 00:16:32,526 --> 00:16:35,159 and you should weigh the risks and the rewards. 327 00:16:35,461 --> 00:16:39,795 There's no moral middle ground. Indifference is not an option. 328 00:16:40,030 --> 00:16:43,131 We want you to help us create an outspoken intolerance 329 00:16:43,133 --> 00:16:44,132 for drug use. 330 00:16:47,704 --> 00:16:51,906 Is the rationale of protecting people from themselves valid? 331 00:16:52,675 --> 00:16:58,044 The only people who are responsible for protecting us 332 00:16:58,046 --> 00:17:00,746 from ourselves are ourselves. 333 00:17:00,748 --> 00:17:04,182 If our society denies us the opportunity to make mistakes, 334 00:17:04,184 --> 00:17:06,484 it's denying us a very fundamental human right 335 00:17:06,486 --> 00:17:09,487 because mistakes are part of the teaching process in this life. 336 00:17:09,489 --> 00:17:13,491 Tell another grown human being ah, ah, ah! Nope! 337 00:17:13,493 --> 00:17:18,161 Nope! Nope! Not allowed that. A grown man! No, not you! 338 00:17:18,163 --> 00:17:22,197 But I'm a grown up; I'm an evolved human being. 339 00:17:22,199 --> 00:17:24,532 No! Just .Put. That. Down! 340 00:17:24,534 --> 00:17:27,568 If there's real harm in a drug and your real objective 341 00:17:27,570 --> 00:17:29,903 is to persuade people that they shouldn't harm themselves 342 00:17:29,905 --> 00:17:32,672 in that way, you don't need laws that send them to prison- 343 00:17:32,674 --> 00:17:35,141 What you need is good infor- mation that they'll believe. 344 00:17:35,143 --> 00:17:38,244 Just disseminate that infor- mation and free independent 345 00:17:38,246 --> 00:17:40,946 sovereign adults will make their own choices about 346 00:17:40,948 --> 00:17:42,814 either to continue with that drug 347 00:17:42,816 --> 00:17:45,616 or not to continue with it, but they have the facts. 348 00:17:45,618 --> 00:17:49,786 If a professional like you cannot answer clearly 349 00:17:49,788 --> 00:17:53,623 that meth is more dangerous than marijuana- 350 00:17:53,625 --> 00:17:59,028 which every kid on the street knows, which every parent knows 351 00:17:59,030 --> 00:18:06,701 if you can't answer that, maybe that's why we're failing 352 00:18:06,703 --> 00:18:10,071 to educate people about the dangers 353 00:18:10,073 --> 00:18:12,139 I don't want kids smoking marijuana. 354 00:18:12,141 --> 00:18:15,025 I agree with the chairman 355 00:18:15,026 --> 00:18:17,910 but if the Deputy Director of the Office of Drug Policy 356 00:18:17,913 --> 00:18:21,714 can't answer that question, how do you expect 357 00:18:21,716 --> 00:18:23,916 high school kids to take you seriously? 358 00:18:23,918 --> 00:18:29,854 I empathize with parents of teenaged kids; They can get lost. 359 00:18:29,856 --> 00:18:33,657 A kid sitting in school stoned-you can't accept 360 00:18:33,659 --> 00:18:36,893 accept a position that says, 'oh, that's fine, no problem.' 361 00:18:36,895 --> 00:18:39,328 Yeah, that's a problem, but the question is 362 00:18:39,330 --> 00:18:42,698 whether it's a criminal problem. The question is 363 00:18:42,700 --> 00:18:45,934 whether it's a 'growing up' kind of a problem. 364 00:18:45,936 --> 00:18:50,071 I want reasons more than 'you need to be afraid of 365 00:18:50,073 --> 00:18:54,141 some cop catching you, and locking you up forever in a prison' 366 00:18:54,143 --> 00:18:57,878 to talk to my children about how they relate 367 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,882 to various temptations in life. 368 00:19:01,884 --> 00:19:05,185 This country is held up as a model around the world 369 00:19:05,187 --> 00:19:09,622 of dealing with cigarette we brought it down. 370 00:19:09,624 --> 00:19:13,791 Why? By educating people. 371 00:19:14,093 --> 00:19:16,210 It doesn't make sense to punish people 372 00:19:16,211 --> 00:19:18,492 if what you're mainly worried about is their welfare. 373 00:19:18,596 --> 00:19:21,263 Name something that gets passed around. 374 00:19:23,267 --> 00:19:24,065 Chris? 375 00:19:24,067 --> 00:19:24,932 A joint! 376 00:19:24,934 --> 00:19:26,033 A joint? 377 00:19:29,304 --> 00:19:31,070 Its the only thing that came to mind... 378 00:19:31,072 --> 00:19:36,174 The moral question of drug use, you can set aside, 379 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:39,277 because the drug use and the drug abuse is here. 380 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:43,347 We have a real fundamental enjoyment of 381 00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:46,283 changing the way that this thing operates and, 382 00:19:46,285 --> 00:19:49,352 for as long as that is true, you have demand. 383 00:19:49,354 --> 00:19:51,087 You don't have to be a capitalist, 384 00:19:51,089 --> 00:19:53,289 you don't have to to be economist, 385 00:19:53,291 --> 00:19:54,823 but we all know: 386 00:19:54,825 --> 00:19:58,626 Where there is demand, there is supply. 387 00:19:58,628 --> 00:20:01,395 A plant that's very easy to grow suddenly becomes 388 00:20:01,397 --> 00:20:03,096 something that's worth thousands and thousands 389 00:20:03,098 --> 00:20:04,864 and thousands of dollars a pound 390 00:20:04,866 --> 00:20:06,665 because you're compensating the producers 391 00:20:06,667 --> 00:20:09,234 and the transporters for the risk of going to jail 392 00:20:09,236 --> 00:20:12,070 or being arrested or being shot or other things 393 00:20:12,072 --> 00:20:15,039 that happen to people involved in criminal activity. 394 00:20:15,241 --> 00:20:18,075 And with that profit comes opportunity 395 00:20:19,244 --> 00:20:22,211 sometimes to the most unlikely of people. 396 00:20:23,013 --> 00:20:27,315 I went to Oxford to study nuclear physics 397 00:20:27,317 --> 00:20:32,119 and some post-graduate history and philosophy of science, 398 00:20:32,121 --> 00:20:36,356 but forsook the halls of academia to become a dope smuggler. 399 00:20:38,126 --> 00:20:42,161 Quite early on, I started smuggling cannabis 400 00:20:42,163 --> 00:20:47,732 from Europe to America. In those days, in the very early 70's- 401 00:20:47,734 --> 00:20:51,802 there'd be a markup of about 300%. 402 00:20:51,804 --> 00:20:54,671 British bands were beginning to get very popular 403 00:20:54,673 --> 00:20:56,906 and they were visiting the States with an awful lot 404 00:20:56,908 --> 00:21:02,143 of equipment, so we used to hide hashish in various speakers 405 00:21:02,145 --> 00:21:04,678 and amplifiers et cetera. 406 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,215 Pink Floyd, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Eric Clapton, Genesis. 407 00:21:09,217 --> 00:21:12,818 The bands didn't know; It was just an arrangement 408 00:21:12,820 --> 00:21:14,352 I made with the road managers. 409 00:21:16,089 --> 00:21:20,324 Organizations I was involved with; The Mafia, the Yakuza 410 00:21:20,326 --> 00:21:24,261 the I.R.A. and a few cowboys from the C.I.A., 411 00:21:24,263 --> 00:21:28,865 - but it wasn't under C.I.A. - just a few cowboys 412 00:21:28,867 --> 00:21:32,168 who were doing things behind the rest of the C.I.A's back. 413 00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:37,938 Consignments I did into JFK in New York 414 00:21:37,940 --> 00:21:42,241 the deal was structured 415 00:21:42,243 --> 00:21:44,476 in such a way that one couldn't cheat them 416 00:21:44,478 --> 00:21:47,045 even if one was daft enough to try. 417 00:21:47,847 --> 00:21:50,948 The average load would be about a ton. 418 00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:56,119 I had a huge number of aliases during my smuggling career; 419 00:21:56,121 --> 00:22:01,123 At least 43 aliases, but it was so much easier in those days 420 00:22:01,125 --> 00:22:03,992 to get a false passport. 421 00:22:03,994 --> 00:22:06,728 I remember, on one occasion, applying 422 00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:10,331 to the driving license center for a license 423 00:22:10,333 --> 00:22:14,268 in the name of Elvis Presley of whom I'm a big fan 424 00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:17,304 and they actually issued it because computers 425 00:22:17,306 --> 00:22:22,041 didn't scream in the 50's! Oh, Elvis Presley? Fine! 426 00:22:24,078 --> 00:22:28,880 The biggest shipment ever that I did was 30 tons. 427 00:22:28,882 --> 00:22:35,185 The DEA say it was 50 tons, but I know it was only 30 tons! 428 00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:38,154 The British had more or less no you can't catch him. 429 00:22:38,156 --> 00:22:41,557 The Spanish had given up, no, you can't catch him... 430 00:22:42,059 --> 00:22:46,026 Americans said, oh, we'll catch him - and they were right! 431 00:22:46,962 --> 00:22:51,330 It was a combined effort of 14 different countries' 432 00:22:51,332 --> 00:22:54,899 law enforcement spearheaded by the DEA actually. 433 00:22:56,369 --> 00:23:00,804 Cannabis was the only drug I smuggled. 434 00:23:00,806 --> 00:23:02,438 I think largely because I wasn't really tempted 435 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,308 to do anything else; The demand for cannabis wasn't met. 436 00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:08,276 If cannabis had been legal, I would have 437 00:23:08,278 --> 00:23:11,912 carried on being an academic of some sort. 438 00:23:12,047 --> 00:23:16,282 I do miss smuggling; You could never get that thrill 439 00:23:16,284 --> 00:23:20,986 that I had from crossing borders from writing! You can't... 440 00:23:20,988 --> 00:23:22,921 I suppose if I thought I could get away with it, 441 00:23:22,923 --> 00:23:26,057 I'd crank it up today and go back to doing it! 442 00:23:26,059 --> 00:23:28,159 I mean I loved it. 443 00:23:34,065 --> 00:23:36,365 It's interesting when you look at the amount of money 444 00:23:36,367 --> 00:23:38,200 that these drugs are generating. 445 00:23:38,202 --> 00:23:41,903 Where does that money go? And who's handling it? 446 00:23:41,905 --> 00:23:44,071 With the vast amounts of money to be made, 447 00:23:44,073 --> 00:23:45,972 the potential for a dark side 448 00:23:45,974 --> 00:23:48,107 of the underground market begins to grow. 449 00:23:48,342 --> 00:23:50,976 With enough time and enough money, 450 00:23:50,978 --> 00:23:53,311 it can rise to inconceivable levels, 451 00:23:53,313 --> 00:23:57,248 and often, right under our nose. 452 00:23:57,250 --> 00:23:59,950 What the drug war has done to Mexico is horrific. 453 00:23:59,952 --> 00:24:03,019 The death toll alone in the Mexican drug war 454 00:24:03,021 --> 00:24:04,653 under the Calderon administration: 455 00:24:04,655 --> 00:24:08,323 It's more than the number of Americans that were lost in Vietnam. 456 00:24:08,525 --> 00:24:14,195 Now we're up to 70,000 dead. Seventy thousand! 457 00:24:14,564 --> 00:24:16,430 The bloodshed follows a mass killing 458 00:24:16,432 --> 00:24:19,366 in the Mexican border city of Nuevo Laredo last week 459 00:24:19,368 --> 00:24:21,701 where nine bodies were left for the public to see 460 00:24:21,703 --> 00:24:25,171 and fourteen other bodies were found mutilated. 461 00:24:25,306 --> 00:24:27,472 And this is happening on our Southern border 462 00:24:27,474 --> 00:24:30,575 and yet very little attention is paid to it. 463 00:24:30,577 --> 00:24:33,477 It is the United States that sends the guns 464 00:24:33,479 --> 00:24:35,378 across the borders to Mexico 465 00:24:35,380 --> 00:24:38,547 it is the United States that, then in return for the guns 466 00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:40,448 imports the drugs. 467 00:24:40,450 --> 00:24:45,319 A lot of people think that those seventy thousand dead 468 00:24:45,321 --> 00:24:49,122 are all gangsters shootin' it out with each other. 469 00:24:49,124 --> 00:24:52,191 Not true. They're police officers, they're children 470 00:24:52,193 --> 00:24:55,694 they're families, they're mothers and fathers. 471 00:24:55,696 --> 00:24:58,430 You're raising your kids with an education 472 00:24:58,432 --> 00:25:00,565 and your kids go off to a nightclub some night 473 00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:02,300 and they never come home. Why? 474 00:25:02,302 --> 00:25:06,170 Because kids have been kidnapped at random and mutilated. 475 00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:08,038 Beyond the horrific death toll, and the 476 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,407 horrific acts of violence, and decapitations 477 00:25:10,409 --> 00:25:13,042 and bodies hanging from bridges, the drug war has really 478 00:25:13,044 --> 00:25:17,312 led to a deterioration in the infrastructures of society 479 00:25:17,314 --> 00:25:20,048 which means that virtually every municipal police force 480 00:25:20,050 --> 00:25:23,084 in much of Mexico is corrupted by one cartel or another. 481 00:25:23,086 --> 00:25:24,319 What does that mean? That means 482 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,553 if you're a lower-middle class Mexican and 483 00:25:25,555 --> 00:25:27,388 your house gets broken into, who do you call? 484 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:30,524 You have nobody to go to, and if you do call the police, 485 00:25:30,526 --> 00:25:33,026 they're just as likely to tell the cartel 486 00:25:33,028 --> 00:25:35,628 hey this person's ratting on you as they are to help you 487 00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:37,563 and take a report, and bring somebody to jail. 488 00:25:37,565 --> 00:25:39,531 So, if you murder somebody in Mexico, you have less than 489 00:25:39,533 --> 00:25:42,267 a 5% chance of ever spending a day in jail for that 490 00:25:42,269 --> 00:25:44,569 and that is almost entirely a product of 491 00:25:44,571 --> 00:25:47,705 what the drug war has done to law enforcement, 492 00:25:47,707 --> 00:25:51,275 the judiciary and the corrections systems in Mexico. 493 00:25:51,277 --> 00:25:55,245 The last thing a Mexican drug- trafficking cartel would want 494 00:25:55,247 --> 00:25:58,114 would be for drugs to be legalized in the United States 495 00:25:58,116 --> 00:26:01,450 because that would take away their primary source of income. 496 00:26:01,452 --> 00:26:02,684 How do you kill a cartel 497 00:26:02,686 --> 00:26:04,719 and a street gang organization in drugs? 498 00:26:04,721 --> 00:26:07,388 You take their source of nutrition away. 499 00:26:07,390 --> 00:26:09,156 Their source of nutrition is - 500 00:26:09,158 --> 00:26:11,758 money; Drug money. You dry 'em up. 501 00:26:20,701 --> 00:26:22,600 The idea that you're gonna somehow or another be able to 502 00:26:22,602 --> 00:26:24,568 be able to make marijuana illegal and it's not going to 503 00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:26,403 have some of impact on organized crime 504 00:26:26,405 --> 00:26:29,572 is so fuckin' dumb it's childish! 505 00:26:29,574 --> 00:26:31,473 This prohibition allows them to flourish 506 00:26:31,475 --> 00:26:33,208 I mean it did with alcohol. 507 00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:36,444 When prohibition was going on and the mafia and Al Capone 508 00:26:36,446 --> 00:26:38,646 and all them motherfuckers was in control, 509 00:26:38,648 --> 00:26:40,648 they ran that shit! 510 00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:43,317 The American people soon came to understand 511 00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:47,320 that prohibition of alcohol brought greater harm 512 00:26:47,322 --> 00:26:49,689 than the abuse of alcohol. 513 00:26:49,691 --> 00:26:51,824 Declaring prohibition on the marijuana laws 514 00:26:51,826 --> 00:26:53,725 makes everything more dangerous 515 00:26:53,727 --> 00:26:59,129 370 billion dollars a year go into the underworld's pockets 516 00:26:59,131 --> 00:27:03,365 and bad people with that kind of money can do horrendous things... 517 00:27:04,668 --> 00:27:06,734 If marijuana prohibition isn't achieving 518 00:27:06,736 --> 00:27:08,535 the goals we think it should, 519 00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:12,237 what has caused it to be pursued the way it has? 520 00:27:12,239 --> 00:27:15,306 What are the elements that keep it propped up... 521 00:27:15,308 --> 00:27:17,374 and where did it all start? 522 00:27:18,410 --> 00:27:21,077 While most fingers might point to the year 1937 523 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:24,747 when marijuana was first outlawed by a tax stamp required for hemp, 524 00:27:24,749 --> 00:27:28,584 let's fast-forward 34 years to 1971. 525 00:27:28,586 --> 00:27:31,286 That was the year the public first heard this: 526 00:27:31,288 --> 00:27:33,821 Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to summarize for you 527 00:27:33,823 --> 00:27:37,424 the meeting that I have just had with bipartisan leaders. 528 00:27:37,426 --> 00:27:41,827 America's public enemy number one, in the United States, 529 00:27:41,829 --> 00:27:43,395 is drug abuse. 530 00:27:44,798 --> 00:27:48,199 Attorney General Kliendienst for Nixon was quoted thereafter 531 00:27:48,201 --> 00:27:50,701 and he was sorrowful that he had been involved in this. 532 00:27:50,703 --> 00:27:52,869 He said that they knew- 533 00:27:52,871 --> 00:27:54,804 in the Nixon administration- 534 00:27:54,806 --> 00:27:58,607 that drug treatment works and incarceration does not, 535 00:27:58,609 --> 00:28:02,811 but the enormous political benefit by declaring 536 00:28:02,813 --> 00:28:05,446 a war on drugs, that can't really fight back. 537 00:28:05,448 --> 00:28:08,482 He said they chose the incarceration route 538 00:28:08,484 --> 00:28:12,219 for political reasons and then were absolutely overwhelmed at 539 00:28:12,221 --> 00:28:16,489 positive political benefits they received for doing that. 540 00:28:16,491 --> 00:28:18,424 There's actual documentation that shows 541 00:28:18,426 --> 00:28:22,161 the United States government under Nixon was actively writing 542 00:28:22,163 --> 00:28:25,831 to universities and saying 'pull your information of cannabis, 543 00:28:25,833 --> 00:28:28,400 hemp and marijuana out of your libraries.' 544 00:28:28,802 --> 00:28:30,334 purge it. 545 00:28:31,437 --> 00:28:36,272 So it took them from 1972, '71... '72, to the late 1970's 546 00:28:36,274 --> 00:28:39,675 to create this myth that marijuana would 547 00:28:39,677 --> 00:28:42,444 lead to using harder substances. 548 00:28:42,446 --> 00:28:44,412 Once that myth was established 549 00:28:45,581 --> 00:28:47,180 then the numbers exploded 550 00:28:47,182 --> 00:28:50,449 and you could go to Congress and get money. 551 00:28:50,451 --> 00:28:53,552 I am glad that, in this administration we have increased 552 00:28:53,554 --> 00:28:56,454 the amount of money for handling the problem 553 00:28:56,456 --> 00:28:59,190 of dangerous drugs seven-fold. 554 00:28:59,192 --> 00:29:01,892 It will be 600 million dollars this year. 555 00:29:01,894 --> 00:29:05,562 This is one area where we cannot have budget cuts 556 00:29:05,564 --> 00:29:09,198 because we must wage what I have called total war 557 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,668 against public enemy number one in the United States: 558 00:29:12,670 --> 00:29:14,903 The problem of dangerous drugs. 559 00:29:14,905 --> 00:29:19,440 Most law enforcement agencies, before the 1970s, 560 00:29:19,442 --> 00:29:22,176 had very small narcotic units because 561 00:29:22,178 --> 00:29:24,311 narcotics wasn't seen as a big problem. 562 00:29:24,313 --> 00:29:29,816 By the end of the decade, the narcotic units had exploded; 563 00:29:29,818 --> 00:29:31,751 Federal money came in... 564 00:29:32,587 --> 00:29:35,220 and then... Ronald Reagan came. 565 00:29:35,655 --> 00:29:39,323 Tonight I can report to you that we've made much progress. 566 00:29:39,325 --> 00:29:41,958 37 federal agencies are working together 567 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,227 in a vigorous national effort and, by next year, 568 00:29:45,229 --> 00:29:48,230 our spending for drug law enforcement will have 569 00:29:48,232 --> 00:29:50,865 more than tripled from it's 1981 levels. 570 00:29:50,867 --> 00:29:54,568 Whenever we hear the word 'war' on anything, 571 00:29:54,570 --> 00:29:56,570 I think it should alert our antenna 572 00:29:56,572 --> 00:29:59,706 that a mind-management game is going on. 573 00:29:59,708 --> 00:30:02,375 What is meant by the war on drugs? That's a very good question. 574 00:30:02,377 --> 00:30:04,710 How can you have a war on a noun? It's a bit like... 575 00:30:04,712 --> 00:30:08,447 again, the war on terror: It's a war on a concept. 576 00:30:08,449 --> 00:30:13,451 We humans are very motivated by war. 577 00:30:13,453 --> 00:30:15,686 We are extremely motivated by 578 00:30:15,688 --> 00:30:18,655 a metaphor of violent confrontation. 579 00:30:18,657 --> 00:30:21,958 It goes all the way back to the very first foremothers of 580 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,962 bacteria 3.85 billion years ago. 581 00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:30,431 Bacteria are incredibly social - they live in armies- 582 00:30:30,433 --> 00:30:34,001 they live in armies of seven trillion and they are 583 00:30:34,003 --> 00:30:36,370 constantly communicating with each other, 584 00:30:36,372 --> 00:30:38,372 they are constantly exchanging data; 585 00:30:38,374 --> 00:30:40,574 It's a little information processing network, 586 00:30:40,576 --> 00:30:42,375 but what happens... 587 00:30:42,377 --> 00:30:45,478 when two, three, four or seven colonies 588 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,447 of bacteria discover all the same food source? 589 00:30:48,449 --> 00:30:50,982 They make "war." 590 00:30:50,984 --> 00:30:54,552 What motivates ants? They go about doing their daily business 591 00:30:54,554 --> 00:30:57,588 all of the time, but when an alarm pheromone hits 592 00:30:57,590 --> 00:31:01,391 that indicates there's been an invasion from outside the colony 593 00:31:01,393 --> 00:31:02,658 wham-o! 594 00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:05,293 Everybody drops what they're doing; 595 00:31:05,295 --> 00:31:08,829 Everybody rushes to the site of the breach where the odor 596 00:31:08,831 --> 00:31:10,997 is coming from. 597 00:31:10,999 --> 00:31:13,566 I mean, we humans, we're the children of bacteria; 598 00:31:13,568 --> 00:31:16,035 We humans, we're the cousins of ants: 599 00:31:16,037 --> 00:31:19,538 Just tell us there's an outsider at the gates! 600 00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:22,874 You use the metaphor of war for just about anything 601 00:31:22,876 --> 00:31:26,910 and it gets us roused, but especially use it about 602 00:31:26,912 --> 00:31:29,579 our group versus another group, 603 00:31:29,581 --> 00:31:33,549 our subculture versus another subculture, 604 00:31:33,551 --> 00:31:36,451 and you can really get us going. 605 00:31:36,453 --> 00:31:38,553 It's clear in neurolinguistic programming. 606 00:31:38,555 --> 00:31:41,322 Because if you associate war, you associate it 607 00:31:41,324 --> 00:31:44,892 with a nation having to pull together to fight a baddy out there. 608 00:31:44,894 --> 00:31:47,828 Now, some folks'll tell you that I'm dealing in poison, 609 00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:49,963 but hey, do I look like the kinda guy 610 00:31:49,965 --> 00:31:53,466 that would do that do a kid like you? Yes! 611 00:31:53,801 --> 00:31:57,435 It's a rhetorical frame in which the sacrifice of 612 00:31:57,437 --> 00:32:02,940 individual "liberty" seems... necessary. 613 00:32:02,942 --> 00:32:05,108 This is what's needed to win the war. 614 00:32:05,443 --> 00:32:09,445 Last year alone, over 10,000 drug criminals were convicted 615 00:32:09,447 --> 00:32:14,082 and nearly 250 million dollars of their assets were seized 616 00:32:14,084 --> 00:32:18,352 by the DEA-The Drug Enforcement Administration. 617 00:32:18,354 --> 00:32:20,320 These are a measure of our commitment 618 00:32:20,322 --> 00:32:23,823 and emerging signs that we can defeat this enemy. 619 00:32:23,825 --> 00:32:25,758 The astounding thing about the War on Drugs, is 620 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,962 how long it's gone on and how little progress has been made. 621 00:32:30,964 --> 00:32:33,532 When I was working for MI-5, I had my first, sort of... 622 00:32:33,534 --> 00:32:35,133 inkling that all was not good 623 00:32:35,135 --> 00:32:39,103 because I was working on the Irish terrorist logistics desk 624 00:32:39,105 --> 00:32:40,904 which is the movement of people and weapons 625 00:32:40,906 --> 00:32:43,072 into and out of the UK-and, of course, doing that, 626 00:32:43,074 --> 00:32:46,508 I had to work very closely with customs, which is there 627 00:32:46,510 --> 00:32:48,727 to try and stop the drugs coming into the UK. 628 00:32:48,728 --> 00:32:50,945 They just, knew it was like looking for the needle in a haystack 629 00:32:50,947 --> 00:32:53,914 just to try and stop these drugs flooding into the UK. 630 00:32:54,216 --> 00:32:58,785 I had record-breaking arrests, record-breaking interdiction 631 00:32:58,787 --> 00:33:04,489 of supply, but it didn't make one iota of difference. 632 00:33:04,491 --> 00:33:06,924 You don't see us knocking off the big guys 633 00:33:06,926 --> 00:33:10,093 so often that, you know, there's scarcity of drugs. 634 00:33:10,095 --> 00:33:11,194 When was the last time you couldn't 635 00:33:11,196 --> 00:33:13,529 cop marijuana in this country? I mean, 636 00:33:13,531 --> 00:33:16,965 there's no marijuana out there! 637 00:33:16,967 --> 00:33:19,067 Oh my God, what am I gonna do? 638 00:33:19,069 --> 00:33:21,069 I don't think you could go into any high school in 639 00:33:21,071 --> 00:33:23,671 the country, I don't think you could go into any small town 640 00:33:23,673 --> 00:33:25,639 in this country, I don't think you could go into any prison 641 00:33:25,641 --> 00:33:27,173 in this country and not find marijuana 642 00:33:27,175 --> 00:33:29,042 if you were looking for it. 643 00:33:29,043 --> 00:33:30,910 So the argument that marijuana prohibition has had 644 00:33:30,912 --> 00:33:33,946 any impact on the availability on the drug, I think, 645 00:33:33,948 --> 00:33:35,180 really doesn't hold water. 646 00:33:35,182 --> 00:33:41,085 What we see are a regular meal of arrests 647 00:33:41,087 --> 00:33:47,591 and how many bales of this or kilos of that. 648 00:33:47,593 --> 00:33:50,126 The show-and-tell is the glamorous side of it 649 00:33:50,128 --> 00:33:54,230 all of this pot found inside one semi-truck. 650 00:33:54,232 --> 00:33:57,533 20000 lbs. Worth. Border patrol calling it 651 00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:00,269 the biggest bust in our state's history. 652 00:34:00,271 --> 00:34:05,940 You wheel out your 60, 70, 80 kilos of marijuana, 653 00:34:05,942 --> 00:34:09,543 your two assault rifles. The thing of it is, 654 00:34:09,545 --> 00:34:12,679 if you took the average show-and-tell... 655 00:34:12,681 --> 00:34:14,213 from the average arrest... 656 00:34:14,215 --> 00:34:17,115 you'd have some little kid- I mean he might 657 00:34:17,117 --> 00:34:19,984 be 15, 17, 18, 20 years old- 658 00:34:19,986 --> 00:34:22,152 and you would proudly display... 659 00:34:22,621 --> 00:34:25,188 a small bag of marijuana on your table 660 00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:28,691 and say, we got him! We got him. 661 00:34:28,693 --> 00:34:32,861 Came from Ontario, Oregon into Idaho with some mushrooms 662 00:34:32,863 --> 00:34:35,597 and some weed, and I got caught with an exhaust so 663 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,665 he pulled me over, he put his head in the window 664 00:34:37,667 --> 00:34:39,933 and said he smelled it, so I just 665 00:34:39,935 --> 00:34:42,302 handed it to him just to get it over with. 666 00:34:42,304 --> 00:34:43,770 It's such a joke to say 667 00:34:43,772 --> 00:34:46,105 that they're going after hardcore criminals. 668 00:34:46,107 --> 00:34:50,008 About one-and-a-half million arrests on drug-related offenses 669 00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:54,812 in the year 2011-about 50% were for marijuana use. 670 00:34:54,814 --> 00:34:57,080 It's practically legal! I get that all the time... 671 00:34:57,082 --> 00:34:58,648 especially here in California 672 00:34:58,650 --> 00:35:01,250 and what I say to those people is, 673 00:35:01,252 --> 00:35:04,686 'it's absolutely NOT practically legal.' 674 00:35:04,688 --> 00:35:07,855 It's very, very federally illegal. 675 00:35:07,857 --> 00:35:10,891 It's just an ongoing story that at this point really 676 00:35:10,893 --> 00:35:14,761 it seems little more than the premise for television shows. 677 00:35:14,763 --> 00:35:19,098 Dangerous, deadly, illegal. 678 00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:21,800 Tonight, the county's top cop says 679 00:35:21,802 --> 00:35:26,070 much of this stuff was being made in the back of that plaza. 680 00:35:26,072 --> 00:35:27,938 They got away with it for a little bit, 681 00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:29,490 but at the end of the day, 682 00:35:29,491 --> 00:35:31,772 they're not going to get away with it for very long. 683 00:35:34,946 --> 00:35:36,845 There's another aspect to this game: 684 00:35:36,847 --> 00:35:39,314 That is the economic side of it. 685 00:35:39,316 --> 00:35:43,250 There's a deal between the feds and the state 686 00:35:43,252 --> 00:35:45,619 and that's asset seizures. 687 00:35:45,621 --> 00:35:49,322 They call it an "equitable sharing program" where 688 00:35:49,324 --> 00:35:53,625 they encourage local law enforcement to seize items 689 00:35:53,627 --> 00:35:56,861 that maybe involved in criminal activity. 690 00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:58,762 They do an 80/20 split. 691 00:35:58,964 --> 00:36:01,030 Without even getting a conviction and then they 692 00:36:01,032 --> 00:36:03,799 keep the bulk of the money or the assets seized. 693 00:36:03,801 --> 00:36:05,801 Maybe ya just wanna see the kind of stuff 694 00:36:05,803 --> 00:36:07,836 the government seizes from criminals. 695 00:36:07,838 --> 00:36:09,604 Right now you can actually check out a number of 696 00:36:09,606 --> 00:36:11,639 forfeited vehicles going up for auction tomorrow 697 00:36:11,641 --> 00:36:13,173 at the Apple Towing in Guadalupe. 698 00:36:13,175 --> 00:36:15,909 These are awesome cars! This one caught my eye of course 699 00:36:15,911 --> 00:36:19,879 first it's a 1968 Chevy Camaro... 700 00:36:20,815 --> 00:36:24,283 I'll lock him up. 701 00:36:24,285 --> 00:36:26,685 I'll seize his car. I'll hit a house, 702 00:36:26,687 --> 00:36:29,220 I'll seize bank accounts, I'll seize land - 703 00:36:29,222 --> 00:36:32,289 all because I'm producing for the state. 704 00:36:32,291 --> 00:36:35,859 There's an incentive for the state to say, 'do it, ' 705 00:36:35,861 --> 00:36:40,196 but the law is such that the onus to get back your property 706 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:43,199 is on you! Not on the police department; 707 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,768 You have to fight to get back something 708 00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:47,636 through the court system- 709 00:36:47,638 --> 00:36:49,037 that they took away 710 00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,973 that they had no right taking in the first place. 711 00:36:53,009 --> 00:36:57,710 Between 1989 and 2010, an estimated 12.6 billion dollars 712 00:36:57,712 --> 00:37:00,946 was seized by U.S. attorneys in asset forfeiture cases. 713 00:37:00,948 --> 00:37:02,914 The growth rate of seizures during that time 714 00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:07,217 was nearly a 20% increase every single year. 715 00:37:07,219 --> 00:37:09,352 In the country where I grew up- America-where, you know 716 00:37:09,354 --> 00:37:11,070 everybody is so proud of having guns 717 00:37:11,071 --> 00:37:12,787 and proud of their freedom. 'No, I'm not afraid!' 718 00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:14,790 Really? Go plant some cannabis in your front yard 719 00:37:14,792 --> 00:37:16,391 and tell me how fast it takes for the man to come 720 00:37:16,393 --> 00:37:19,360 and take everything you own! 721 00:37:19,361 --> 00:37:22,328 Every year the DEA tells you how many seizures they've made 722 00:37:22,331 --> 00:37:25,265 is That we have failed again. 723 00:37:25,267 --> 00:37:27,300 What's your budget? 724 00:37:27,902 --> 00:37:30,035 Well, currently... um. 725 00:37:30,037 --> 00:37:31,236 Approximately... 726 00:37:31,238 --> 00:37:32,804 Uh, two million... 727 00:37:32,806 --> 00:37:34,138 Two million? 728 00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:36,707 Two-I'm sorry- two billion dollars... 729 00:37:36,709 --> 00:37:38,409 Yeah... 730 00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:40,110 You can look into any federal agency you want to... 731 00:37:40,112 --> 00:37:42,045 literally in their budget you will see 732 00:37:42,047 --> 00:37:44,313 the extra tens of millions of dollars are earmarked 733 00:37:44,315 --> 00:37:46,782 expressly to fight "the war on drugs." 734 00:37:47,384 --> 00:37:50,418 When you get to the top of both towers, 735 00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:53,320 the interests are the same. 736 00:37:53,322 --> 00:37:57,457 The major drug dealer wants to continue selling drugs... 737 00:37:57,459 --> 00:38:00,226 law enforcement wants to continue trying to prosecute 738 00:38:00,228 --> 00:38:03,462 people who are using the drugs and there's a harmony there. 739 00:38:03,464 --> 00:38:07,232 If you've ever seen the film of the head of the DEA- 740 00:38:07,234 --> 00:38:10,435 Lionhart I believe is her name-when they asked her 741 00:38:10,437 --> 00:38:12,970 is marijuana worse than heroin? And she sat there 742 00:38:12,972 --> 00:38:15,305 and stuttered around; She wouldn't answer the question. 743 00:38:15,307 --> 00:38:23,307 Uh, is crack worse for a person than marijuana? 744 00:38:23,815 --> 00:38:27,483 I believe all illegal drugs are bad. 745 00:38:27,485 --> 00:38:30,952 Is methamphetamine worse for somebody's health 746 00:38:30,954 --> 00:38:33,454 than marijuana? 747 00:38:33,456 --> 00:38:35,088 I don't think any illegal drug... 748 00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:40,993 Is heroin worse for someone's health than marijuana? 749 00:38:40,995 --> 00:38:42,945 Again... 750 00:38:42,946 --> 00:38:44,896 I mean, either yes, no, or I don't know! 751 00:38:44,898 --> 00:38:46,931 I mean, if you don't know, you can look this up; 752 00:38:46,933 --> 00:38:48,465 You should know this as the chief administrator 753 00:38:48,467 --> 00:38:50,100 for the Drug Enforcement Agency 754 00:38:50,101 --> 00:38:51,734 I'm asking you a very straightforward question. 755 00:38:51,736 --> 00:38:53,302 She couldn't answer the question because 756 00:38:53,304 --> 00:38:58,106 she's a dyed-in-the-wool prohibitionist and her industry 757 00:38:58,108 --> 00:39:01,809 her life, is dependent upon us 758 00:39:01,811 --> 00:39:06,813 continuing to put 43 million people in jail. 759 00:39:06,815 --> 00:39:09,916 About 85% of everybody in our country that 760 00:39:09,918 --> 00:39:12,818 uses any form of illicit substance whatsoever 761 00:39:12,820 --> 00:39:16,221 uses only marijuana and so if you were to remove 762 00:39:16,223 --> 00:39:18,389 those people from the criminal justice system 763 00:39:18,391 --> 00:39:21,191 the sheer number of everyone else in the country 764 00:39:21,193 --> 00:39:24,460 using every other illegal drug combined would not justify 765 00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:28,964 this colossal bureaucracy we have to fight the war on drugs. 766 00:39:29,266 --> 00:39:33,101 It would fall apart. If you lose marijuana prohibition, 767 00:39:33,103 --> 00:39:35,970 you lose drug prohibition and the government knows it; 768 00:39:35,972 --> 00:39:38,072 They don't want to give that up 769 00:39:38,074 --> 00:39:40,240 because of the sheer money involved, 770 00:39:40,242 --> 00:39:44,977 Going down the path to legalization in this country 771 00:39:44,979 --> 00:39:49,081 is reckless and irresponsible. It scares us; 772 00:39:49,083 --> 00:39:51,083 The treatment people are afraid, 773 00:39:51,085 --> 00:39:55,220 the education people are afraid. Law enforcement is, is, is worried... 774 00:39:55,222 --> 00:39:56,988 what is gonna happen? 775 00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:59,323 People say, 'well, the vice cops who work on 776 00:39:59,325 --> 00:40:01,325 on marijuana prohibition would be out of work, 777 00:40:01,327 --> 00:40:02,793 the people who work for the DEA, 778 00:40:02,795 --> 00:40:05,062 some of them would be out of jobs, ' 779 00:40:05,063 --> 00:40:07,330 the White House drug czar office and so on and so forth. 780 00:40:07,332 --> 00:40:11,567 I mean, that's just the most lunatic defense of prohibition. 781 00:40:11,569 --> 00:40:14,937 By that logic, we should prohibit everything! 782 00:40:14,939 --> 00:40:16,471 Because then we'd need to cops to enforce 783 00:40:16,473 --> 00:40:18,372 food prohibition and housing prohibition 784 00:40:18,374 --> 00:40:20,173 and medicine prohibition. 785 00:40:31,385 --> 00:40:34,219 Beginning in the 1980s, the police departments became 786 00:40:34,221 --> 00:40:36,387 a number-driven group. 787 00:40:36,389 --> 00:40:41,825 One arrest is one arrest so if I spend a year and a half 788 00:40:41,827 --> 00:40:44,360 taking down a violent drug organization that's 789 00:40:44,362 --> 00:40:48,930 killed maybe 15-20 people and I lock up six guys. 790 00:40:48,932 --> 00:40:53,567 I get six ones. If I went out on the corner tomorrow, 791 00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:58,605 I can get fifteen "ones" and they all count the same. 792 00:40:58,607 --> 00:41:00,974 There's no weighing for like, 'this is the murderer: 793 00:41:00,976 --> 00:41:04,077 We give him fifteen points. This guy's the marijuana guy: 794 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:05,945 We give him .2 points.' 795 00:41:05,947 --> 00:41:07,079 No, no, it's all the same. 796 00:41:07,081 --> 00:41:10,182 One thing about a cannabis arrest is it's easy, 797 00:41:10,184 --> 00:41:14,018 it's not dangerous, and it turns into a solved crime very quickly 798 00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:15,452 with very little paperwork. 799 00:41:15,454 --> 00:41:21,057 The whole thing is numbers because numbers generate revenue. 800 00:41:21,059 --> 00:41:24,693 That revenue keeps Congress giving you money. 801 00:41:24,695 --> 00:41:27,162 That money, then, you can turn around part of it 802 00:41:27,164 --> 00:41:29,230 and keep pressure on Congress. 803 00:41:29,232 --> 00:41:32,099 You don't come with those numbers-they retaliate 804 00:41:32,101 --> 00:41:34,301 by giving you bad evaluations. 805 00:41:34,303 --> 00:41:35,735 That's basically what they did to me. 806 00:41:35,737 --> 00:41:38,204 We have almost a five billion 807 00:41:38,206 --> 00:41:41,073 dollar budget a year so we run it like a business and 808 00:41:41,075 --> 00:41:46,044 it's fair to ask the employees here to do their fair share. 809 00:41:46,046 --> 00:41:48,046 It's not easy to get a trafficker. 810 00:41:48,048 --> 00:41:50,548 It's not like walking up to the corner 811 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:54,118 or shaking the lockers of a high school. 812 00:41:59,124 --> 00:42:05,194 You reach a point, especially as an executive or a supervisor 813 00:42:05,196 --> 00:42:11,366 where you are now part of administering the policies 814 00:42:11,368 --> 00:42:13,301 and you start to ask the hard questions. 815 00:42:13,303 --> 00:42:18,438 Is it really worth a police officer's time 816 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,741 to bust somebody for a marijuana cigarette, 817 00:42:21,743 --> 00:42:25,578 take them off the street, put them in jail, book the evidence 818 00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:28,380 write the report and then be able to go back 819 00:42:28,382 --> 00:42:31,249 out on the street and attend to public safety after 820 00:42:31,251 --> 00:42:34,552 you've been gone for 3 hours for one marijuana arrest? 821 00:42:35,054 --> 00:42:38,622 I used to go to meetings of chief police officers in the UK 822 00:42:38,624 --> 00:42:41,424 after the formal conference was over 823 00:42:41,426 --> 00:42:45,460 around the bar and around the dinner table, 824 00:42:45,462 --> 00:42:47,595 they were all agreeing that there was 825 00:42:47,597 --> 00:42:50,764 no point in keeping cannabis illegal 826 00:42:50,766 --> 00:42:53,800 and yet what they said when the cameras were rolling, 827 00:42:53,802 --> 00:42:55,601 when the microphones were in front of them, 828 00:42:55,603 --> 00:42:56,768 was completely different. 829 00:42:57,036 --> 00:42:59,436 In the 15 years I've been in policy, 830 00:42:59,438 --> 00:43:02,472 I'm a little disillusioned by how much we were 831 00:43:02,474 --> 00:43:05,107 able to achieve and very disillusioned on 832 00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:08,576 the ability of leaders to still pretend we are achieving. 833 00:43:09,111 --> 00:43:11,311 You know we need police forces. 834 00:43:11,313 --> 00:43:13,179 If I was in charge of society, of course 835 00:43:13,181 --> 00:43:16,215 I'd have a police force, but I'd make sure there were 836 00:43:16,217 --> 00:43:18,550 sensible laws for them to enforce. 837 00:43:18,552 --> 00:43:21,152 And there are plenty of police who feel like that too. 838 00:43:21,154 --> 00:43:23,487 There's immense pressure on the inside of these sort of 839 00:43:23,489 --> 00:43:27,590 professions to toe the line and just keep quiet. 840 00:43:27,592 --> 00:43:31,593 The culture will eat you up if in fact 841 00:43:31,595 --> 00:43:34,162 you come out while you're a police leader. 842 00:43:34,164 --> 00:43:36,197 If they were to come out and say that they 843 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:40,301 were in favor of taxation, regulation of marijuana 844 00:43:40,303 --> 00:43:43,137 they wouldn't get their promotions, they wouldn't 845 00:43:43,139 --> 00:43:47,174 be able to move through the ranks; they'll be labeled 846 00:43:47,176 --> 00:43:49,016 and I've seen that take place. 847 00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:58,149 There's alot of work being done 848 00:43:58,151 --> 00:44:00,451 on what creates respect for laws; 849 00:44:00,453 --> 00:44:03,320 To what extent do people feel that laws are legitimate. 850 00:44:03,322 --> 00:44:05,255 If they feel that laws are legitimate, they're likely 851 00:44:05,257 --> 00:44:06,756 to comply with them without needing 852 00:44:06,758 --> 00:44:09,258 to be coerced into them and punished. 853 00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:12,427 And the research is suggesting that people want fairness. 854 00:44:12,429 --> 00:44:17,564 In a sense, what creates respect for law is justice. 855 00:44:17,566 --> 00:44:21,467 Seeing it done. That elicits great respect 856 00:44:21,469 --> 00:44:24,570 when you actually see it being done. 857 00:44:24,572 --> 00:44:26,638 There's another kind of respect though, which is 858 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,708 respect for the stick-it's like the force of authority. 859 00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:34,577 Pretty much, marijuana works with the stick. 860 00:44:35,446 --> 00:44:37,612 One of the consequences of the War on Drugs is 861 00:44:37,614 --> 00:44:39,614 people have stopped looking at the police 862 00:44:39,616 --> 00:44:42,550 as their protectors and more see them, right, 863 00:44:42,552 --> 00:44:44,785 as their potential persecutors. 864 00:44:44,787 --> 00:44:46,353 The police department basically becomes 865 00:44:46,355 --> 00:44:48,755 the 'other' to the community, 866 00:44:48,757 --> 00:44:50,790 and once you have that breakdown, 867 00:44:50,792 --> 00:44:54,160 then information stops flowing. 868 00:44:54,162 --> 00:44:57,229 So you don't learn about crimes and then the only 869 00:44:57,231 --> 00:44:58,897 crime you really become interested in is the one 870 00:44:58,899 --> 00:45:00,732 ou can solve which is locking people up 871 00:45:00,734 --> 00:45:03,534 on the corner for using drugs. 872 00:45:03,669 --> 00:45:06,186 And, you know, a great metric of that 873 00:45:06,187 --> 00:45:08,704 is murder clearance rates. So, a murder is cleared when 874 00:45:08,707 --> 00:45:10,573 an arrest is made and somebody goes to jail 875 00:45:10,575 --> 00:45:13,809 and in 1965, we were clearing- police were clearing- 876 00:45:13,811 --> 00:45:16,478 about 90% of the murders that were committed in this country. 877 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,346 That means, for 90% of the murders in this country 878 00:45:18,348 --> 00:45:22,350 there was an arrest and a charge and today that's under 65%. 879 00:45:22,352 --> 00:45:25,186 That's after all the tremendous technological advances 880 00:45:25,188 --> 00:45:26,720 you know, DNA evidence all sorts of 881 00:45:26,722 --> 00:45:29,789 forensics and, you know, expanding police budgets 882 00:45:29,791 --> 00:45:31,791 and that sort of thing. I think if we were to look 883 00:45:31,793 --> 00:45:34,827 at one cause for that drop in murder clearance rates 884 00:45:34,829 --> 00:45:37,329 it's the breakdown in the relationship between 885 00:45:37,331 --> 00:45:39,431 society at large and the police 886 00:45:39,433 --> 00:45:42,167 and, you know, that by extension, is a consequence 887 00:45:42,169 --> 00:45:44,269 almost entirely of the war on drugs. 888 00:45:44,271 --> 00:45:46,638 By having to uphold these outdated and failed policies, 889 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,173 it ruins our reputation and it damages 890 00:45:49,175 --> 00:45:50,541 the community relations between the police 891 00:45:50,543 --> 00:45:52,843 and the policed, as well. 892 00:45:52,845 --> 00:45:54,544 Whole generations have grown up 893 00:45:54,546 --> 00:45:57,580 distrusting their local police rather than seeing them 894 00:45:57,582 --> 00:46:00,215 as a potential protective layer of society. 895 00:46:00,217 --> 00:46:03,518 When you do this, you change the whole nature 896 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,820 of the game, and from 1980 on 897 00:46:05,822 --> 00:46:09,323 the police become more and more militarized. 898 00:46:09,325 --> 00:46:13,327 The initiation of the drug war was the initiation of 899 00:46:13,329 --> 00:46:19,499 a general loosening of const- raint on search and seizure. 900 00:46:19,501 --> 00:46:22,568 It became just part of police practice 901 00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:24,736 to be breaking down the door. We see it now 902 00:46:24,738 --> 00:46:29,573 as a staple of Cops; that's now our reality. 903 00:46:29,575 --> 00:46:33,843 That wasn't the reality before... the drug war. 904 00:46:34,779 --> 00:46:36,445 Columbia police! Search warrant! 905 00:46:36,447 --> 00:46:38,327 Columbia police! Search warrant! 906 00:46:38,882 --> 00:46:40,762 Columbia police! Search warrant! 907 00:46:42,785 --> 00:46:44,284 Search warrant! Search warrant! 908 00:46:44,286 --> 00:46:45,818 Don't move! Don't move! 909 00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:47,285 Don't move! 910 00:46:47,453 --> 00:46:48,552 Search warrant! 911 00:46:49,588 --> 00:46:51,348 Search warrant! Don't move! 912 00:46:52,457 --> 00:46:54,256 Search warrant! Don't move! 913 00:46:56,226 --> 00:46:57,325 That's on him. 914 00:46:57,327 --> 00:46:59,994 Yeah. The money and the dope. 915 00:47:00,563 --> 00:47:03,564 Now you see police and most often they look like soldiers: 916 00:47:03,566 --> 00:47:05,566 They're dressed in black, they have jackboots 917 00:47:05,568 --> 00:47:08,468 high-caliber arms and they don't walk the street 918 00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:09,702 and get to know the community, right? 919 00:47:09,704 --> 00:47:11,370 They drive around in cruisers 920 00:47:11,372 --> 00:47:13,492 that look they belong on the battle field 921 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,841 that's the difference between 922 00:47:16,843 --> 00:47:18,809 the Greenville police department's new. 923 00:47:18,811 --> 00:47:21,344 SWAT truck compared to the old one. 924 00:47:21,346 --> 00:47:23,446 The truck has a lot of bells and whistles: 925 00:47:23,448 --> 00:47:25,314 From the simple storage compartments, 926 00:47:25,316 --> 00:47:28,450 to the gunports on the side. They're actually proud 927 00:47:28,452 --> 00:47:30,952 to say they did not use any taxpayer money. 928 00:47:30,954 --> 00:47:33,254 We paid for it with seized funds 929 00:47:33,255 --> 00:47:35,575 it came out of money we had seized from drug dealers... 930 00:47:41,296 --> 00:47:45,865 That's where respect is lost. The officers on the street 931 00:47:45,867 --> 00:47:50,035 have lost it; the institution itself has lost it. 932 00:47:50,037 --> 00:47:53,371 You're not being seen as anything but the other- 933 00:47:53,373 --> 00:47:55,306 people warring on us. 934 00:47:56,542 --> 00:47:58,708 The war on drugs has had a puzzling effect 935 00:47:58,710 --> 00:48:01,777 on how society seeks to police itself. 936 00:48:01,779 --> 00:48:04,546 With hundreds of thousands of marijuana arrests annually, 937 00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:07,982 once you start gathering a large 938 00:48:07,984 --> 00:48:11,451 group of prisoners, where do you put them all? 939 00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:14,853 Well, private prison is as scary as all shit 940 00:48:14,855 --> 00:48:18,790 and they're scary as hell for a very simple reason: 941 00:48:18,792 --> 00:48:21,959 They make it highly profitable to incarcerate people. 942 00:48:21,961 --> 00:48:23,493 We've lost track of how 943 00:48:23,495 --> 00:48:25,428 ridiculous some of the things we do are. 944 00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:28,731 So we're gonna give people a profit motive 945 00:48:28,733 --> 00:48:30,699 in putting more people in jail? 946 00:48:30,701 --> 00:48:32,600 Gee, I wonder what's gonna happen... 947 00:48:32,602 --> 00:48:34,535 Corrections Corporation of America is 948 00:48:34,537 --> 00:48:36,937 the Hilton of the private prison industry: 949 00:48:36,939 --> 00:48:39,439 A multi-billion dollar business that's getting 950 00:48:39,441 --> 00:48:41,374 rich off punishment. 951 00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:44,643 The more people locked up behind bars 952 00:48:44,645 --> 00:48:48,680 and the longer they stay there the more money CCA makes. 953 00:48:48,682 --> 00:48:50,381 Last year the company banked 954 00:48:50,383 --> 00:48:53,384 a reported 1.7 billion dollars. 955 00:48:53,586 --> 00:48:56,453 When you have a privatized prison, there's a contract 956 00:48:56,455 --> 00:48:59,322 between the state and the prison 957 00:48:59,324 --> 00:49:01,824 that the state has to maintain a certain 958 00:49:01,826 --> 00:49:03,826 occupancy rate in the prison. 959 00:49:03,828 --> 00:49:05,994 Meaning that the state guarantees 960 00:49:05,996 --> 00:49:11,565 that the prison will stay anywhere from 80 to 100% full. 961 00:49:12,334 --> 00:49:14,834 Crime could go down, it doesn't matter. 962 00:49:14,836 --> 00:49:16,468 The taxpayers are still on 963 00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:18,403 the hook and the government is still on the hook 964 00:49:18,405 --> 00:49:21,105 for filling up your prisons. 965 00:49:21,107 --> 00:49:22,906 Well, where do you get these numbers from? 966 00:49:22,908 --> 00:49:25,075 The easiest way to make sure that the quotas are full 967 00:49:25,077 --> 00:49:27,944 in these private prisons is to get the low hanging fruit 968 00:49:27,946 --> 00:49:30,012 which is just the drug user as a criminal 969 00:49:30,014 --> 00:49:32,114 rather than someone who might need a bit of medical help. 970 00:49:32,116 --> 00:49:34,449 And that means that every fourth person in the world 971 00:49:34,451 --> 00:49:36,034 in jail 972 00:49:36,035 --> 00:49:37,618 is a citizen of the "land of the free." 973 00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:40,220 You just become a commodity, rather than a human being, 974 00:49:40,222 --> 00:49:41,988 churned through the system to make money 975 00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:44,023 for these big corporations. 976 00:49:44,025 --> 00:49:45,958 If we go on down this path, we'll see more 977 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,527 and more laws being invented and created to justify the 978 00:49:48,529 --> 00:49:51,897 imprisonment of more and more people. Public money 979 00:49:51,899 --> 00:49:53,632 will ironically be plunged into 980 00:49:53,634 --> 00:49:55,800 pursuading us that that is right. 981 00:49:55,802 --> 00:49:58,803 Each state is constantly arguing about the fact 982 00:49:58,805 --> 00:50:00,171 that they don't have enough money for 983 00:50:00,173 --> 00:50:02,072 for their public education, but then 984 00:50:02,074 --> 00:50:04,141 at the same time, they'll take 985 00:50:04,142 --> 00:50:06,209 state funds-or in a lot of cases, federal money- 986 00:50:06,211 --> 00:50:08,678 and put it into the prison system. 987 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,846 This is Carl Holton school and it's been closed 988 00:50:10,848 --> 00:50:13,949 for some time now and in it's place will rise 989 00:50:13,951 --> 00:50:16,952 a hospital prison with over 1700 beds. 990 00:50:16,954 --> 00:50:22,223 California, since 1980, we've built 23 prisons, 991 00:50:22,225 --> 00:50:25,159 we've hired 14,000 prison guards 992 00:50:25,161 --> 00:50:26,994 and we've fired 5000 teachers. 993 00:50:26,996 --> 00:50:29,096 West Virginia is strapped for money, but we're 994 00:50:29,098 --> 00:50:31,865 building another prison here. Got to! 995 00:50:31,867 --> 00:50:33,800 A lot of people getting arrested here. 996 00:50:33,802 --> 00:50:36,636 Most states are just like mine of California: 997 00:50:36,638 --> 00:50:38,938 The largest, strongest political lobby group 998 00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:41,640 in our state is - the prison guards' union. 999 00:50:41,642 --> 00:50:44,876 You have unions that are lobbying to make sure that 1000 00:50:44,878 --> 00:50:47,678 certain drugs stay illegal regardless of 1001 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,846 of how safe they are, to make sure that prisons 1002 00:50:49,848 --> 00:50:53,216 are filled because prisons extract money from the system. 1003 00:50:53,218 --> 00:50:54,317 It's insanity! 1004 00:50:55,286 --> 00:50:58,587 It's not rational or logical; It's... financial. 1005 00:50:58,589 --> 00:51:00,722 Money is the backdrop to everything. You can't 1006 00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:03,658 even run from it; I try to see other things or 1007 00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:05,626 put other perspectives on it, 1008 00:51:05,628 --> 00:51:07,508 but it always boils down to money. 1009 00:51:07,762 --> 00:51:10,062 We've even seen, in places like Pennsylvania, where 1010 00:51:10,064 --> 00:51:14,199 judges have gone and faced high federal sentences for 1011 00:51:14,201 --> 00:51:16,067 actually streamlining children 1012 00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:18,303 into these private facilities. 1013 00:51:18,304 --> 00:51:20,538 A former juvenile court judge in Pennsylvania could face 1014 00:51:20,540 --> 00:51:23,073 more than 10 years in prison after being convicted 1015 00:51:23,075 --> 00:51:26,776 in a kids for cash scheme. Prosecutors say he used 1016 00:51:26,778 --> 00:51:29,545 children as pawns-locking them up unjustly 1017 00:51:29,547 --> 00:51:31,113 in a plot to get rich. 1018 00:51:31,115 --> 00:51:32,614 Remember my son? 1019 00:51:32,616 --> 00:51:34,182 An all-star wrestler! 1020 00:51:34,184 --> 00:51:36,083 He's gone, he shot himself in the heart! 1021 00:51:36,085 --> 00:51:39,719 You scumbag, you ruined my fucking life! 1022 00:51:42,256 --> 00:51:44,689 And what could be more harmful to one's self than 1023 00:51:44,691 --> 00:51:46,641 being sent to prison? 1024 00:51:46,642 --> 00:51:48,592 No effect of the drug can be possibly as harmful 1025 00:51:48,594 --> 00:51:51,795 as doing jail time for consuming it. 1026 00:51:51,797 --> 00:51:53,863 And they end up with a criminal record. 1027 00:51:53,865 --> 00:51:57,132 What does that do to them? They could lose their job; 1028 00:51:57,134 --> 00:52:00,068 In some parts of the world, they will lose their housing. 1029 00:52:00,070 --> 00:52:02,870 They will lose the right to education. 1030 00:52:02,872 --> 00:52:05,339 This is a fucking kid who just got arrested recently 1031 00:52:05,341 --> 00:52:07,808 for having marijuana on him. They put him in jail 1032 00:52:07,810 --> 00:52:10,744 and he had an extreme food allergy. He asked them 1033 00:52:10,746 --> 00:52:13,646 if there was any milk in any of their products, 1034 00:52:13,648 --> 00:52:15,581 they wouldn't answer him, they gave him food, he ate it and 1035 00:52:15,583 --> 00:52:18,050 he fucking died in jail. 1036 00:52:18,052 --> 00:52:21,686 How... criminal is that? 1037 00:52:21,688 --> 00:52:25,056 What they've made illegal isn't the problem, alright? 1038 00:52:25,058 --> 00:52:27,725 The problem is the policy itself. 1039 00:52:27,727 --> 00:52:30,160 This business about drug offenses; I mean it's time 1040 00:52:30,162 --> 00:52:34,863 we stopped locking up people for possession of marijuana. 1041 00:52:34,865 --> 00:52:37,765 It selects people that it puts in jail, so we see 1042 00:52:37,767 --> 00:52:42,001 widely disparate penalties among socioeconomic groups 1043 00:52:42,003 --> 00:52:43,369 among racial groups. 1044 00:52:43,371 --> 00:52:46,271 White people and black people in this country do drugs 1045 00:52:46,273 --> 00:52:48,706 at the same rate so they should be arrested 1046 00:52:48,708 --> 00:52:51,175 at the same rate, but the reality is, of course 1047 00:52:51,177 --> 00:52:53,644 that's not remotely true. Across the nation, 1048 00:52:53,646 --> 00:52:57,847 blacks are arrested at four times the rate of whites. 1049 00:52:57,849 --> 00:52:59,949 Now, in some places like Minneapolis, 1050 00:52:59,951 --> 00:53:04,353 Washington, D.C., Iowa, it's eight times the rate. 1051 00:53:04,355 --> 00:53:07,055 So, why in the world would you be arresting 1052 00:53:07,057 --> 00:53:08,990 black Americans at eight times the rate-or even 1053 00:53:08,992 --> 00:53:10,958 nation-wide at four times rate-of whites? 1054 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,162 They're using it at the same rate! You have no excuse! 1055 00:53:15,164 --> 00:53:17,330 If you are a young black man walking around the 1056 00:53:17,332 --> 00:53:19,231 streets of London today, you are nine times more 1057 00:53:19,233 --> 00:53:21,333 likely to be stopped and searched on 1058 00:53:21,335 --> 00:53:23,535 suspicion of carrying drugs. 1059 00:53:23,536 --> 00:53:25,736 I have risen through classes, so I know 1060 00:53:25,739 --> 00:53:27,772 you know what I mean- the difference. 1061 00:53:27,774 --> 00:53:30,207 Growin' up in Pittsburgh, just being on the streets, 1062 00:53:30,209 --> 00:53:32,842 if I got caught with some weed, they're gonna look at me 1063 00:53:32,844 --> 00:53:35,077 me as I'm selling some weed or I'm trying to get 1064 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,746 some weed to one of their kids I look like a threat 1065 00:53:37,748 --> 00:53:41,416 but when I started rapping and started associating myself 1066 00:53:41,418 --> 00:53:44,085 with other people, started getting money: 1067 00:53:44,087 --> 00:53:47,021 They'll be like, 'oh he's not dangerous, he can smoke.' 1068 00:53:47,023 --> 00:53:49,790 The War on Drugs is one of those issues that highlights 1069 00:53:49,792 --> 00:53:52,058 very clearly that there is one law for the rich and powerful 1070 00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:53,900 and one law for the rest of us. 1071 00:53:55,296 --> 00:53:59,398 HSBC is a giant bank that actually laundered money 1072 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,167 for the Mexican drug cartels. Billions of dollars! 1073 00:54:03,335 --> 00:54:04,934 Nobody went to jail. 1074 00:54:04,936 --> 00:54:07,403 Naturally, if there is a big bank that is 1075 00:54:07,405 --> 00:54:10,272 laundering money for drug cartels, they should face 1076 00:54:10,274 --> 00:54:13,408 a federal prosecution and criminal charges but that's 1077 00:54:13,410 --> 00:54:17,945 not what happened. They got a fine of 1.9 billion dollars! 1078 00:54:17,947 --> 00:54:21,048 Well, what's a fine to HSBC? It's pocket change; 1079 00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:22,816 It's one of the costs of doing business. 1080 00:54:22,818 --> 00:54:25,885 And nobody goes to jail and a mother of four 1081 00:54:25,887 --> 00:54:28,420 is arrested for $30 worth of pot and 1082 00:54:28,422 --> 00:54:30,955 she's put in jail for ten years. 1083 00:54:30,957 --> 00:54:33,724 The people at HSCBC are 1084 00:54:33,726 --> 00:54:39,095 in the elite, the woman with the $30 worth of pot is not. 1085 00:54:39,697 --> 00:54:43,331 Every animal that's ever had a hierarchical social structure 1086 00:54:43,333 --> 00:54:45,833 going all the way back to lizards, lobsters 1087 00:54:45,835 --> 00:54:50,003 and puppy dogs-has built that structure on prohibition 1088 00:54:50,005 --> 00:54:52,071 and there's always been a chicken at the 1089 00:54:52,073 --> 00:54:54,773 bottom the pecking order and the one on the bottom 1090 00:54:54,775 --> 00:54:57,108 of the pecking order ends up in a miserable 1091 00:54:57,110 --> 00:55:03,980 god awful, picked-on, pecked-on state and that 1092 00:55:03,982 --> 00:55:08,084 isn't mankind's social invention 1093 00:55:08,086 --> 00:55:11,720 that is mother nature's social invention. Does that mean 1094 00:55:11,722 --> 00:55:16,991 mean it's good? Hell no. And it's our job to reverse it, 1095 00:55:16,993 --> 00:55:19,126 natural or not. 1096 00:55:22,931 --> 00:55:27,032 Empathy is all it really takes to open up the avenues 1097 00:55:27,034 --> 00:55:30,268 of outrage and realize how appalling this is. 1098 00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:31,902 Let's remember something boys and girls: 1099 00:55:31,904 --> 00:55:34,938 Jails are there for people who hit us over the head 1100 00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:37,106 when we're walking down the street, 1101 00:55:37,108 --> 00:55:39,292 jails are there for people 1102 00:55:39,293 --> 00:55:41,477 who break into our homes and loot the place. 1103 00:55:41,479 --> 00:55:44,880 Jails are there for people who do genuine harm. 1104 00:55:44,882 --> 00:55:47,983 So I have no right to put them in jail 1105 00:55:47,985 --> 00:55:51,786 for having a different lifestyle than mine. In fact, 1106 00:55:51,788 --> 00:55:54,921 if I were to do that, it would be criminal. 1107 00:55:57,091 --> 00:56:02,360 And yet, the war on marijuana continues on. 1108 00:56:02,362 --> 00:56:06,330 Only now with new medical discoveries. 1109 00:56:06,332 --> 00:56:10,133 You might ask yourself, 'What possible health benefits 1110 00:56:10,135 --> 00:56:12,468 could an illegal plant have?' 1111 00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:15,204 The answer is starting to become more clear. 1112 00:56:15,206 --> 00:56:17,072 It begins with something that each and every 1113 00:56:17,074 --> 00:56:19,874 it's something called 1114 00:56:19,876 --> 00:56:22,209 the endocannabinoid system. 1115 00:56:22,411 --> 00:56:24,911 We think of marijuana as this violent, unnatural 1116 00:56:24,913 --> 00:56:29,048 intrusion on human biology. It's not. 1117 00:56:29,050 --> 00:56:33,451 We are built with all kinds of receptors for cannabis. 1118 00:56:34,854 --> 00:56:38,388 Cannabis mimics endogenous chemicals that we already 1119 00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:41,457 produce in the body called endocannabinoids. 1120 00:56:41,459 --> 00:56:43,025 That's why we have receptors that 1121 00:56:43,027 --> 00:56:46,561 pretty well fit cannabis. 1122 00:56:46,563 --> 00:56:49,797 Cannabinoids are these twenty-carbon molecules 1123 00:56:49,799 --> 00:56:51,431 that we produce, the plant produces 1124 00:56:51,433 --> 00:56:53,065 there's over a hundred of them in the plant 1125 00:56:53,067 --> 00:56:56,901 and these two systems work together to regulate cell, 1126 00:56:57,136 --> 00:56:59,803 cluster cell, and intracellular functions. 1127 00:56:59,805 --> 00:57:02,238 All the cannabinoids do is help cells function. 1128 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,290 They don't care what the cell does 1129 00:57:04,291 --> 00:57:06,341 they don't care if its contracting, secreting thyroid 1130 00:57:06,344 --> 00:57:09,445 synthesizing this, remodeling bone, doesn't matter. 1131 00:57:09,447 --> 00:57:11,079 Just, they're doing something and they do it 1132 00:57:11,081 --> 00:57:13,047 a little more effectively. 1133 00:57:13,049 --> 00:57:17,517 Western medicine has never seen a substance like this. 1134 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:21,087 We like single drug/ single function, and you come along 1135 00:57:21,089 --> 00:57:22,988 with a molecule that may have an interface 1136 00:57:22,990 --> 00:57:25,190 inside of every cell and help it function 1137 00:57:25,192 --> 00:57:30,894 more effectively and, really, it's a hard one to imagine. 1138 00:57:31,062 --> 00:57:33,563 I can't find any real legitimate doctor that thinks 1139 00:57:33,565 --> 00:57:37,333 smoking marijuana is good for anybody. Sure it may 1140 00:57:37,335 --> 00:57:39,635 relieve pain temporarily, but a fifth of Jack Daniels 1141 00:57:39,637 --> 00:57:41,303 might do the same thing, and nobody's calling 1142 00:57:41,305 --> 00:57:43,655 that medicine right? 1143 00:57:43,656 --> 00:57:46,006 People who say there is no established medical 1144 00:57:46,009 --> 00:57:49,743 use of marijuana simply don't know what they're talkin' about. 1145 00:57:50,979 --> 00:57:53,012 It's so versatile. 1146 00:57:53,014 --> 00:57:55,147 It seems every day when I open up the news, there's 1147 00:57:55,149 --> 00:57:56,681 another report on cannabinoids 1148 00:57:56,683 --> 00:57:58,649 having some type of medical utility. 1149 00:57:58,651 --> 00:58:02,185 Control of muscle spasticity, multiple sclerosis, 1150 00:58:02,187 --> 00:58:04,053 Glaucoma, colitis. 1151 00:58:04,055 --> 00:58:05,120 Nausea, pain. 1152 00:58:05,122 --> 00:58:06,588 Migraine headaches. 1153 00:58:06,590 --> 00:58:09,591 There are hundreds of reasons that 1154 00:58:09,593 --> 00:58:12,393 people find marijuana useful. 1155 00:58:12,395 --> 00:58:16,696 That's why I look so good after 41 years in the game. 1156 00:58:16,698 --> 00:58:23,469 It is the most non-toxic medicine I have ever encountered. 1157 00:58:24,238 --> 00:58:27,038 Once it's free of the prohibition tariff, 1158 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,007 it's gonna be much less expensive than the 1159 00:58:30,009 --> 00:58:33,143 pharmaceutical products which it will replace. 1160 00:58:37,482 --> 00:58:39,615 Think of a strain as a little chemistry lab 1161 00:58:39,617 --> 00:58:42,017 an organic chemistry lab because what's happening is 1162 00:58:42,019 --> 00:58:44,719 mother nature is creating her own cannabinoid profile. 1163 00:58:44,721 --> 00:58:47,688 For instance you could smoke a variety or use a variety 1164 00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:49,723 that would help you with your headache or I could 1165 00:58:49,724 --> 00:58:51,757 use a variety that might help me with my back pain. 1166 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,526 If an AIDS patient comes in and they're having problems 1167 00:58:53,528 --> 00:58:56,128 eating, or they can't sleep-okay, you can't eat, 1168 00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:57,562 you can't sleep, you know for sure the indica is 1169 00:58:57,564 --> 00:58:59,564 gonna put you down, it's gonna relax you 100%, 1170 00:58:59,566 --> 00:59:02,099 it's gonna give you appetite and you don't wanna 1171 00:59:02,101 --> 00:59:04,034 give him a sativa; Because you give him a sativa, 1172 00:59:04,036 --> 00:59:05,168 he's gonna be up thinking all night. 1173 00:59:05,170 --> 00:59:07,436 So it's about genes; It is about 1174 00:59:07,438 --> 00:59:09,571 this kind of character of plant can do this, 1175 00:59:09,573 --> 00:59:11,372 and this kind of plant can do that. 1176 00:59:11,374 --> 00:59:14,575 It's very important to keep these gene marks- 1177 00:59:14,577 --> 00:59:16,710 these original ones-it could be 1178 00:59:16,712 --> 00:59:18,545 the medicine that we need. 1179 00:59:22,750 --> 00:59:25,650 What is a land race? A land race is basically a 1180 00:59:25,652 --> 00:59:29,453 species of marijuana that's indigenous to an area 1181 00:59:29,455 --> 00:59:31,421 and has been growing there for hundreds of years 1182 00:59:31,423 --> 00:59:33,022 in a certain area. 1183 00:59:33,024 --> 00:59:35,424 Cannabis is from all over the world, so we have 1184 00:59:35,426 --> 00:59:37,559 Afghan varieties, Indian varieties. 1185 00:59:37,561 --> 00:59:40,695 In Colombia you have the famous Santa Marta Punta Roja 1186 00:59:40,697 --> 00:59:45,032 in Central Africa, you'll have the Malawi Gold. 1187 00:59:45,034 --> 00:59:48,035 When I started this whole new series on strain hunting 1188 00:59:48,037 --> 00:59:50,604 it was to show the world how much 1189 00:59:50,606 --> 00:59:54,774 people depend on marijuana around the world. 1190 00:59:54,776 --> 00:59:57,610 We estimate that probably around two to three 1191 00:59:57,612 --> 01:00:00,713 hundred million people's families are 1192 01:00:00,715 --> 01:00:02,414 depending on this crop. 1193 01:00:02,416 --> 01:00:04,549 It's still a drug in most countries so 1194 01:00:04,551 --> 01:00:07,285 the police takes it, or it's expensive, so 1195 01:00:07,287 --> 01:00:09,720 robbers will steal it and these are areas where the. 1196 01:00:09,722 --> 01:00:14,457 UN or other big international NGO's like UNESCO 1197 01:00:14,459 --> 01:00:15,758 never will come. 1198 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,460 In these very remote areas there are a lot of 1199 01:00:18,462 --> 01:00:21,429 very nice land races and we would like to preserve 1200 01:00:21,431 --> 01:00:24,098 these land races for the future so we try to 1201 01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:26,600 obtain them and find them and bring them back. 1202 01:00:26,602 --> 01:00:29,836 We have new varieties that we can play with to see 1203 01:00:29,838 --> 01:00:31,771 if they will have any benefit for the future- 1204 01:00:31,773 --> 01:00:33,706 medicinal or recreational. 1205 01:00:33,708 --> 01:00:36,542 It's like getting a new athlete on your team that 1206 01:00:36,544 --> 01:00:37,843 you can cross-breed and 1207 01:00:37,845 --> 01:00:40,345 create a new variety of marijuana. 1208 01:00:41,848 --> 01:00:45,115 In recent years, understanding of medical marijuana's 1209 01:00:45,117 --> 01:00:49,418 diversity has become universally widespread news. 1210 01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:51,653 With a greater knowledge of strains has come new 1211 01:00:51,655 --> 01:00:55,156 new discoveries. These discoveries are leading us to 1212 01:00:55,158 --> 01:00:58,726 medical benefits we never could have imagined. 1213 01:01:02,664 --> 01:01:04,597 Jayden is seven years old now 1214 01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:08,734 Jayden was born perfectly healthy. 1215 01:01:08,736 --> 01:01:13,438 At four months old, Jayden had his first seizure. 1216 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,339 It was just a downhill road from there 1217 01:01:15,341 --> 01:01:16,606 for the next few years. 1218 01:01:16,608 --> 01:01:21,377 He was having 500 twitching, myoclonic seizures a day; 1219 01:01:21,379 --> 01:01:24,413 He'd have grand mals for an hour, hour and a half. 1220 01:01:24,415 --> 01:01:26,448 I remember he was crying from 1 o'clock at night 1221 01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:28,850 till 9 in the morning- screaming and crying in pain. 1222 01:01:28,852 --> 01:01:30,751 He was seeing things, he was hallucinating 1223 01:01:30,753 --> 01:01:32,719 from the medications. 1224 01:01:32,721 --> 01:01:36,556 At four and a half, Jayden was taking 22 pills a day 1225 01:01:36,558 --> 01:01:39,158 he was at 25,000 pills he had taken by the time 1226 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,526 he was 5 years old. 1227 01:01:41,595 --> 01:01:44,195 Jayden had tried twelve different medications, 1228 01:01:44,197 --> 01:01:46,314 we had 40 ambulance bills, we were fighting with 1229 01:01:46,315 --> 01:01:48,432 the insurance company all the time. We lost our house, 1230 01:01:48,434 --> 01:01:50,467 we lost our cars, we lost our business 1231 01:01:50,469 --> 01:01:51,801 we lost our family. 1232 01:01:53,905 --> 01:01:56,572 I went to UCSF, I said, 'look, I don't think Jayden's 1233 01:01:56,574 --> 01:01:59,241 gonna make it another week. What do you suggest?' 1234 01:01:59,243 --> 01:02:01,710 They're all, 'I don't know, I mean, I would try anything.' 1235 01:02:01,712 --> 01:02:04,312 I go, 'what do you think about medical marijuana?' 1236 01:02:04,314 --> 01:02:06,247 They're all, 'well, like we said, we think we're in a 1237 01:02:06,249 --> 01:02:08,315 life and death situation- you should try anything.' 1238 01:02:08,317 --> 01:02:11,184 So I said alright, I went and picked up something. 1239 01:02:11,186 --> 01:02:14,754 I saw in a dispensary, and came home, I gave it to Jayden- 1240 01:02:14,756 --> 01:02:16,789 after four and a half years of having myoclonic 1241 01:02:16,791 --> 01:02:19,792 seizures, and twitching and head drops 1242 01:02:19,794 --> 01:02:22,494 and seizing-the first day I gave it to him was- 1243 01:02:22,496 --> 01:02:24,829 thank God one million times- was the first day he's 1244 01:02:24,831 --> 01:02:26,897 ever went seizure free in his life. 1245 01:02:26,899 --> 01:02:31,267 Second day, third day, fourth day, 1246 01:02:31,269 --> 01:02:33,702 the seizures were down dramatically; I could see his 1247 01:02:33,704 --> 01:02:35,704 eyes lighting up. 1248 01:02:35,706 --> 01:02:38,006 It was summertime- 1249 01:02:38,007 --> 01:02:40,307 it was June 1st the first day I gave it to him 2011. 1250 01:02:40,310 --> 01:02:42,576 He started swimming; Jayden's never been able 1251 01:02:42,578 --> 01:02:44,744 to swim before-the sudden temperature change of water 1252 01:02:44,746 --> 01:02:46,312 would give him a seizure 1253 01:02:46,314 --> 01:02:47,846 I put him in the front yard and my neighbor's like, 1254 01:02:47,848 --> 01:02:49,948 oh my gosh, we've never seen him in the front yard.' 1255 01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:52,231 They were so excited they were cheering him on... 1256 01:02:55,388 --> 01:02:57,421 I started weaning him off the medications after 1257 01:02:57,423 --> 01:03:00,357 one month I was on the CBD. 1258 01:03:01,693 --> 01:03:04,427 Every time I took him off, he'd suffer for two weeks 1259 01:03:04,429 --> 01:03:06,295 he'd become more human. Then take off 1260 01:03:06,297 --> 01:03:08,397 another pill, suffer for two weeks, boom: 1261 01:03:08,399 --> 01:03:09,731 Become more human. 1262 01:03:10,433 --> 01:03:11,732 Jayden started chewing. 1263 01:03:11,734 --> 01:03:13,767 Jayden was only eating Gerber food... 1264 01:03:13,768 --> 01:03:16,088 always till he was five years old. He started chewing. 1265 01:03:16,871 --> 01:03:19,972 With taking 25,000 pills, it really wears on your body 1266 01:03:19,974 --> 01:03:21,940 and brain, so it was kinda recovering more from the 1267 01:03:21,942 --> 01:03:24,409 medication than from the epilepsy. 1268 01:03:24,411 --> 01:03:26,744 And we decided to wean off the hardest one: 1269 01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:29,379 Benzodiazepines. 1270 01:03:29,381 --> 01:03:35,283 He was having tremors, nightmares, brain zaps; 1271 01:03:35,285 --> 01:03:38,452 I've contacted 30 different benzo withdrawal clinics, 1272 01:03:38,454 --> 01:03:39,686 they go, 'how old is the person 1273 01:03:39,688 --> 01:03:42,422 that you want to bring into our clinic?' 1274 01:03:42,424 --> 01:03:44,624 I tell them, 'seven years old' and they scream 1275 01:03:44,626 --> 01:03:47,593 at the top of their lungs - every single one vividly 1276 01:03:47,595 --> 01:03:49,361 say the same exact thing: 1277 01:03:49,363 --> 01:03:51,563 'You have a seven year old on benzos? 1278 01:03:51,565 --> 01:03:53,932 'Cause we have people here that are football players, 1279 01:03:53,934 --> 01:03:56,234 we have people here that are big, tough guys 1280 01:03:56,236 --> 01:03:57,802 that are dying, literally dying, 1281 01:03:57,804 --> 01:03:59,837 from benzos and you have a seven year old on it? 1282 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:01,422 I said, 'seven year old? I go, 1283 01:04:01,423 --> 01:04:03,704 'my son's been addicted to it since he was 16 months old.' 1284 01:04:03,708 --> 01:04:06,442 So now we have to figure out a way to wean him off 1285 01:04:06,444 --> 01:04:08,444 by ourselves because the benzo detox clinics are not 1286 01:04:08,446 --> 01:04:11,480 are not willing to take in a seven year old. 1287 01:04:11,482 --> 01:04:14,249 Since we've been using the CBD's, he's been doing amazing. 1288 01:04:14,251 --> 01:04:17,885 It has under 1% THC, so it doesn't give you 1289 01:04:17,887 --> 01:04:18,952 that euphoria. 1290 01:04:19,587 --> 01:04:21,520 It's abstracted, 1291 01:04:21,522 --> 01:04:24,022 it's organic, we know the dosage in milligrams. 1292 01:04:25,358 --> 01:04:27,558 We're on the forefront of something huge: 1293 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,595 It's either you're gonna give up, and just and let your son, 1294 01:04:31,597 --> 01:04:34,030 your child, be a vegetable and die or you're gonna 1295 01:04:34,032 --> 01:04:36,265 sit there and fight. 1296 01:04:36,267 --> 01:04:38,033 I still haven't met Jayden yet. 1297 01:04:38,035 --> 01:04:40,502 I know Jayden and 22 pills, but I'm down to Jayden and 1298 01:04:40,504 --> 01:04:42,904 two pills-that's who I know right now. 1299 01:04:44,274 --> 01:04:47,341 I don't know Jayden but on medication. 1300 01:04:52,881 --> 01:04:54,981 Christmas before Jayden was born-that was my 1301 01:04:54,983 --> 01:04:57,550 that Jayden was gonna be born. 1302 01:04:57,552 --> 01:05:00,719 My ex-wife had given me a box and I opened it 1303 01:05:00,721 --> 01:05:02,620 and I remember... 1304 01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:06,489 this is a hard one... 1305 01:05:06,491 --> 01:05:08,174 I remember opening the box and seeing 1306 01:05:08,175 --> 01:05:09,858 a pregnancy test saying positive with two baby shoes 1307 01:05:09,861 --> 01:05:14,529 and having so much expectation, you know? 1308 01:05:14,531 --> 01:05:17,597 Having so much expectation that you're gonna have a son. 1309 01:05:19,767 --> 01:05:22,834 As a parent, you're expecting your child to play football, 1310 01:05:22,836 --> 01:05:25,669 you're expecting your child to talk you know? 1311 01:05:26,772 --> 01:05:28,838 I mean, right now, my number one goal 1312 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,974 right now is to have my son say I love you. 1313 01:05:30,976 --> 01:05:35,011 I mean people take that for granted. 1314 01:05:38,149 --> 01:05:40,983 People take that for granted that their kids can talk 1315 01:05:40,985 --> 01:05:42,784 and say I love you. That's all I want to hear my son say, 1316 01:05:42,786 --> 01:05:45,419 but I mean if I can hear him say that, 1317 01:05:45,421 --> 01:05:47,454 I'll be more than happy. He said it one time on CNN: 1318 01:05:47,456 --> 01:05:49,376 I la loo. He was really close! 1319 01:05:49,757 --> 01:05:52,124 I gotta hear it. If he says that, 1320 01:05:52,126 --> 01:05:53,625 I've already conquered the world. 1321 01:05:54,060 --> 01:05:55,593 Seeing your child suffer: 1322 01:05:55,594 --> 01:05:57,127 There's nothing worse than that; 1323 01:05:57,128 --> 01:05:58,661 There's no torture worse than that. 1324 01:05:58,664 --> 01:06:00,697 Especially every day. 1325 01:06:05,503 --> 01:06:09,137 Now is not the time to send a message to our young 1326 01:06:09,139 --> 01:06:13,106 people that marijuana is medicine. It is not. 1327 01:06:13,108 --> 01:06:16,542 It is a dangerous, illegal drug. 1328 01:06:16,544 --> 01:06:18,977 Is it legitimate for any human on the face of 1329 01:06:18,979 --> 01:06:22,213 planet earth to deny another human the thing that 1330 01:06:22,215 --> 01:06:26,583 will remove him from that infinite torture chamber? 1331 01:06:26,585 --> 01:06:29,619 No. It is not acceptable. 1332 01:06:29,621 --> 01:06:33,755 It is utterly and completely im-moral. 1333 01:06:33,757 --> 01:06:35,857 I'm not allowed to do this 1334 01:06:35,859 --> 01:06:37,758 because someone says I can't. 1335 01:06:38,961 --> 01:06:40,460 And that person never met me, 1336 01:06:40,462 --> 01:06:42,618 they're never likely to meet me... 1337 01:06:42,619 --> 01:06:44,775 they're never likely to meet someone with MS, 1338 01:06:44,776 --> 01:06:46,932 Parkinson's, cancer-and yet they can have total rule 1339 01:06:46,934 --> 01:06:49,467 over that entity's life. 1340 01:06:49,469 --> 01:06:50,801 This is pretty much the only time 1341 01:06:50,803 --> 01:06:53,904 that I'm gonna be lost for words. I just - 1342 01:06:53,906 --> 01:06:57,173 the justifications still not been explained to me. 1343 01:06:58,009 --> 01:07:00,576 Should marijuana be legalized for medical use? 1344 01:07:00,578 --> 01:07:03,078 Aren't there issues of significance that you'd like 1345 01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:07,082 to talk about? The economy, the economy, the economy, 1346 01:07:07,084 --> 01:07:11,218 the growth of jobs, the need to put people back to work 1347 01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:14,154 the challenges of Iran? We've got enormous issues 1348 01:07:14,156 --> 01:07:16,589 that we face. But you wanna talk. Go aheadyou wanna 1349 01:07:16,591 --> 01:07:17,656 talk about. 1350 01:07:17,658 --> 01:07:19,308 Medical marijuana 1351 01:07:19,309 --> 01:07:20,959 I think marijuana should not be legal in this country 1352 01:07:20,961 --> 01:07:22,660 I believe it's a gateway drug... 1353 01:07:22,662 --> 01:07:26,597 Marijuana is still a schedule I drug meaning 1354 01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:31,568 legally that it has no medical usefulness whatsoever 1355 01:07:31,570 --> 01:07:35,905 and benzodiazepines like Valium and Xanax and Klonopin 1356 01:07:35,907 --> 01:07:38,807 are are actually schedule IV drugs even though they put 1357 01:07:38,809 --> 01:07:41,876 put significantly more people in the emergency room 1358 01:07:41,878 --> 01:07:43,644 every year and cause even more deaths 1359 01:07:43,646 --> 01:07:46,580 than many Schedule I drugs. 1360 01:07:46,582 --> 01:07:49,783 Many attempts have been made to move cannabis 1361 01:07:49,785 --> 01:07:52,886 out of of Schedule I and ...they always fail. 1362 01:07:52,888 --> 01:07:55,188 How can the United States government claim that there's 1363 01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:57,957 no medical usefulness to cannabis while then patenting 1364 01:07:57,959 --> 01:07:59,992 the medical usefulness of cannabis? 1365 01:07:59,994 --> 01:08:02,527 It was a shocking idea that the federal government- 1366 01:08:02,529 --> 01:08:05,196 the Department of Health and Human Services 1367 01:08:05,198 --> 01:08:07,831 had a patent on cannabinoids as antioxidants and 1368 01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:10,166 neuroprotectants, heart disease and diabetes, 1369 01:08:10,168 --> 01:08:14,170 Alzheimer's and Huntington's, and includes cataracts and. 1370 01:08:14,172 --> 01:08:18,774 Down's syndrome as well as neoplasia. It really speaks 1371 01:08:18,776 --> 01:08:21,610 to the depth of the problem in terms of who's making 1372 01:08:21,612 --> 01:08:24,045 these decisions and who are they benefitting? 1373 01:08:24,047 --> 01:08:25,980 We need to get to the truth which is that 1374 01:08:25,982 --> 01:08:29,950 prescription drugs kill vast numbers of people. 1375 01:08:29,952 --> 01:08:33,887 Prescription drugs have a higher rate of overdose 1376 01:08:33,889 --> 01:08:36,322 than even things we think of as being horrific like 1377 01:08:36,324 --> 01:08:38,957 methamphetamine, heroin... 1378 01:08:39,092 --> 01:08:41,058 The number of people who are killed by heroin and 1379 01:08:41,060 --> 01:08:46,896 cocaine is tiny, tiny, just miniscule, microscopic 1380 01:08:46,898 --> 01:08:48,931 by comparison with the number of people who are killed 1381 01:08:48,933 --> 01:08:51,800 every year by prescription drugs. Let's look at the facts; 1382 01:08:51,802 --> 01:08:55,003 Let's not listen to the bullshit anymore. 1383 01:08:55,005 --> 01:08:58,006 Suspected drug overdoses are rising at an alarming 1384 01:08:58,008 --> 01:08:59,941 rate in Haywood County. 1385 01:08:59,942 --> 01:09:01,875 And it's not illegal drugs officials are worried about 1386 01:09:01,878 --> 01:09:04,211 but prescription drugs. 1387 01:09:04,213 --> 01:09:06,613 It's being described as an epidemic. Authorities say 1388 01:09:06,615 --> 01:09:09,983 too many young people are dying accidental deaths. 1389 01:09:09,985 --> 01:09:12,852 The fifth or sixth top selling drugs in North America 1390 01:09:12,854 --> 01:09:15,988 are antipsychotics which we're giving out like candy 1391 01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:18,156 now to people, including children. 1392 01:09:18,925 --> 01:09:21,625 At Vancouver's Children's Hospital they've had to 1393 01:09:21,627 --> 01:09:23,693 establish a special clinic just to deal with the 1394 01:09:23,695 --> 01:09:25,628 effects of antipsychotics in kids. 1395 01:09:25,630 --> 01:09:28,964 I recently lost my father two years ago and we were 1396 01:09:28,966 --> 01:09:32,634 really close and so it was like having the rug pulled 1397 01:09:32,636 --> 01:09:35,770 out from underneath me and I started to see a therapist 1398 01:09:35,772 --> 01:09:38,939 and a psychiatrist because I was experiencing these 1399 01:09:38,941 --> 01:09:42,208 panic attacks and at least fifteen medications 1400 01:09:42,210 --> 01:09:44,427 I was written, you know, 1401 01:09:44,428 --> 01:09:46,645 within two minutes of meeting, one of the psychiatrists 1402 01:09:46,647 --> 01:09:50,281 she called me bipolar II and wrote a diagnosis of it 1403 01:09:50,283 --> 01:09:53,050 without even knowing me, you know? 1404 01:09:53,052 --> 01:09:54,851 What I really needed was a fuckin' hug. 1405 01:09:54,853 --> 01:09:58,287 In 2010, doctors prescribed enough painkillers to give 1406 01:09:58,289 --> 01:10:01,923 45 milligram Percocets and 245-milligram Vicodins 1407 01:10:01,925 --> 01:10:05,092 to every person in the United States. 1408 01:10:05,928 --> 01:10:10,096 It's a huge industry creating pills for us to take. 1409 01:10:10,098 --> 01:10:12,932 Most of the time, they're not really anything that's 1410 01:10:12,934 --> 01:10:15,634 curing you, they're just suppressing whatever your 1411 01:10:15,636 --> 01:10:19,938 ailment is and in some cases making it worse. 1412 01:10:19,940 --> 01:10:21,940 In depressed patients, worsening of depression 1413 01:10:21,942 --> 01:10:24,075 including risk of suicide may occur. 1414 01:10:24,077 --> 01:10:26,644 Sometimes fatal events including infections 1415 01:10:26,646 --> 01:10:28,912 tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers. 1416 01:10:28,914 --> 01:10:31,147 Blisters, peeling rashes, hives or mouth sores. 1417 01:10:31,149 --> 01:10:33,015 Nervous system and blood disorders 1418 01:10:33,017 --> 01:10:35,097 and allergic reactions have occurred. 1419 01:10:36,052 --> 01:10:39,987 The makers of OxyContin have marketed it as a 1420 01:10:39,989 --> 01:10:44,324 non- or less-addictive opiate, knowing already 1421 01:10:44,326 --> 01:10:47,894 that this wasn't true. They simply suppressed that research. 1422 01:10:47,896 --> 01:10:50,930 Hundreds of overdose deaths. They plea-bargained and 1423 01:10:50,932 --> 01:10:53,332 they agreed to pay fines. Well, they could pay that 1424 01:10:53,334 --> 01:10:57,435 out of their left hip pocket. Nobody went to jail, 1425 01:10:57,437 --> 01:11:00,171 nobody suffered any criminal consequences. 1426 01:11:00,173 --> 01:11:02,239 If you read the small print, you'll find that there's 1427 01:11:02,241 --> 01:11:04,341 side-effects to certain drugs but you've got to really 1428 01:11:04,343 --> 01:11:06,793 get your microscope out. 1429 01:11:06,794 --> 01:11:09,244 I see this all the time with friends-even with peers- 1430 01:11:09,247 --> 01:11:12,715 where they carry a diagnosis and they can't pronounce it. 1431 01:11:12,717 --> 01:11:15,384 They don't know what the disease they have is called. 1432 01:11:15,386 --> 01:11:18,120 They take drugs and they don't know what the medication is 1433 01:11:18,122 --> 01:11:21,123 or what it could potentially do to their body. 1434 01:11:21,125 --> 01:11:23,925 All kinda pills and medicine and bullshit that 1435 01:11:23,927 --> 01:11:26,761 they can't pronounce; Makin' money off your ass. 1436 01:11:26,763 --> 01:11:28,796 Fuckin' you up with more medicine than you need. 1437 01:11:28,798 --> 01:11:31,031 There's people strung out on those pills, man. 1438 01:11:31,033 --> 01:11:33,867 Chief medical examiner Glenn Wagner says he's noticed 1439 01:11:33,869 --> 01:11:36,336 a big rise in the quantity of different drugs 1440 01:11:36,338 --> 01:11:39,389 people are taking. 1441 01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:42,441 This shopping bag represents one individual and the 1442 01:11:42,443 --> 01:11:47,112 number of drugs that that person had onboard. 1443 01:11:53,753 --> 01:11:57,221 There are 19 separate lines on this one and it 1444 01:11:57,223 --> 01:11:58,956 goes for several pages. 1445 01:11:58,958 --> 01:12:01,391 People don't look at them as drugs anymore when 1446 01:12:01,393 --> 01:12:04,293 they're legal-when they're over the counter. They just 1447 01:12:04,295 --> 01:12:06,962 look at it as somethin' you can buy from the store and 1448 01:12:06,964 --> 01:12:09,464 put in your body, but it's still a drug. 1449 01:12:09,466 --> 01:12:14,068 Unintentional deaths from one dies 1450 01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:18,739 - one American dies. - Every 19 minutes. 1451 01:12:18,741 --> 01:12:22,008 Nothing comparable in marijuana. Is that correct? 1452 01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:24,227 Correct. 1453 01:12:24,228 --> 01:12:26,445 Well, when you've got a drug that costs a billion 1454 01:12:26,447 --> 01:12:29,347 dollars to bring to market, your investment is so 1455 01:12:29,349 --> 01:12:34,317 huge that you have to do everything in your power 1456 01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:38,187 to make sure that drug succeeds and sometimes the 1457 01:12:38,189 --> 01:12:41,089 things that you do are troubling. 1458 01:12:41,091 --> 01:12:44,826 There are some pharmaceutical products today that are 1459 01:12:44,828 --> 01:12:49,463 in short demand because the profit margin isn't big enough. 1460 01:12:49,465 --> 01:12:51,965 Just how tough is it to find the flu shot, Jocelyn? 1461 01:12:51,967 --> 01:12:54,334 Sonia, Darren, you'll have to make a couple of calls, 1462 01:12:54,336 --> 01:12:57,470 and those that do have it only have a limited supply. 1463 01:12:57,472 --> 01:13:00,306 I mean, this happens every year when there's a bad flu 1464 01:13:00,308 --> 01:13:02,541 and there's shortages of vaccines, right, because 1465 01:13:02,543 --> 01:13:06,011 there's not really a big profit motive tied to flu vaccines 1466 01:13:06,013 --> 01:13:09,014 it's a single dose and you move on. Unlike something 1467 01:13:09,016 --> 01:13:12,951 like Viagra or especially things like cholesterol 1468 01:13:12,953 --> 01:13:16,087 medication, heart medication. Maintenance medications 1469 01:13:16,089 --> 01:13:17,922 that people who are ill have to stay on 1470 01:13:17,924 --> 01:13:20,024 in order to live normal lives. 1471 01:13:20,226 --> 01:13:23,961 If you don't need that medication, you don't need them 1472 01:13:23,963 --> 01:13:26,463 they take a dent in the pockets, you know what I mean; 1473 01:13:26,465 --> 01:13:30,200 Those are very deep pockets and they don't want 'em dented. 1474 01:13:30,202 --> 01:13:34,170 So every night on TV you see a weird-ass drug commercial 1475 01:13:34,172 --> 01:13:37,940 tryin' to get you hooked on some legal shit 1476 01:13:37,942 --> 01:13:40,909 and they just keep naming symptoms till they get one that 1477 01:13:40,911 --> 01:13:44,512 you've fucking got! Got athlete's foot? Are ya hot? 1478 01:13:44,514 --> 01:13:48,249 Are ya cold? Whatcha got? You want this pill 1479 01:13:48,251 --> 01:13:51,452 huh, motherfucker? Ya got to take this pill! 1480 01:13:51,454 --> 01:13:54,254 Prescription drugs being advertised and marketed 1481 01:13:54,256 --> 01:13:57,123 on television is certainly something that's happened 1482 01:13:57,125 --> 01:13:59,959 in my lifetime as a physician. 1483 01:13:59,961 --> 01:14:02,494 They're saying things like 'ask your doctor if 1484 01:14:02,496 --> 01:14:04,229 this drug is right for you.' 1485 01:14:04,231 --> 01:14:06,264 Ask your doctor if Humira can work for you... 1486 01:14:06,266 --> 01:14:08,866 Ask your doctor if Lunesta is right for you. 1487 01:14:08,868 --> 01:14:11,301 Ask your doctor about Cymbalta. 1488 01:14:11,303 --> 01:14:14,470 Do you get a weird pain in your bowel? Well then you 1489 01:14:14,472 --> 01:14:16,371 need to go to a doctor and you need to tell him that 1490 01:14:16,373 --> 01:14:19,273 this is the drug you need. So hurry up! There's your 1491 01:14:19,275 --> 01:14:21,608 check, there's my prescription, it's a transaction. 1492 01:14:21,610 --> 01:14:25,311 I'm not a drug addict! How dare you? I'm a patient. 1493 01:14:25,313 --> 01:14:28,914 In every other industrialized Western country, you don't 1494 01:14:28,916 --> 01:14:31,349 see ads for drugs. You go to your doctor, you tell 1495 01:14:31,351 --> 01:14:33,551 your doctor what you're dealing with, they're well- 1496 01:14:33,553 --> 01:14:35,619 informed about the drugs that are on the market and they 1497 01:14:35,621 --> 01:14:37,854 make a recommendation for you. 1498 01:14:37,856 --> 01:14:39,622 I remember these commercials and they looked so happy 1499 01:14:39,624 --> 01:14:42,858 and I remember thinking, oh my God, there's a pill that 1500 01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:44,560 you can take to make yourself happy? 1501 01:14:44,562 --> 01:14:46,602 Like how fucking awesome would that be? 1502 01:14:47,464 --> 01:14:50,998 If you got somebody makin' a commercial sayin', 1503 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,522 oh, do you have these problems, 1504 01:14:52,523 --> 01:14:54,045 do you have these problems? 1505 01:14:54,046 --> 01:14:55,568 You're gonna relate to it like, oh yeah, that is me! 1506 01:14:55,571 --> 01:14:57,654 Maybe I do need that. 1507 01:14:57,655 --> 01:14:59,738 It's really frustrating to me that as a society we 1508 01:14:59,741 --> 01:15:03,042 don't know better at this point. They're telling you 1509 01:15:03,044 --> 01:15:06,478 that you can take this medicine, but risk literally 1510 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,480 killing yourself to do it! 1511 01:15:08,482 --> 01:15:13,150 For me, it reinforces our cultural belief that if you 1512 01:15:13,152 --> 01:15:16,253 go to a doctor, if you don't get a prescription, 1513 01:15:16,255 --> 01:15:18,388 you haven't really had a valid encounter. 1514 01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:21,057 One study by a British medical journal found that 1515 01:15:21,059 --> 01:15:23,325 for every dollar that pharmaceutical companies spent 1516 01:15:23,327 --> 01:15:25,694 on R and D -research & development-they spend 1517 01:15:25,696 --> 01:15:29,164 19 dollars on promotion and marketing of their drugs. 1518 01:15:29,166 --> 01:15:31,766 If I go to my doctor and I say, 'I saw this ad for this drug; 1519 01:15:31,768 --> 01:15:34,135 I really would like to try it, ' and he 1520 01:15:34,137 --> 01:15:36,237 says, 'yeah, let's give it a shot, ' is he my doctor, 1521 01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:38,372 or is he my drug dealer? 1522 01:15:39,074 --> 01:15:40,440 They form groups like. 1523 01:15:40,442 --> 01:15:42,175 Partnership for a Drug Free America 1524 01:15:42,177 --> 01:15:44,110 where they get their fucking money 1525 01:15:44,112 --> 01:15:45,361 from prescription drugs! 1526 01:15:45,362 --> 01:15:47,162 I wish you didn't smoke weed. 1527 01:15:49,316 --> 01:15:53,284 You're not the same when you smoke, and I miss my friend. 1528 01:15:53,419 --> 01:15:56,453 Prescription drugs making 1529 01:15:56,455 --> 01:15:58,721 commercials against weed is like hookers making 1530 01:15:58,723 --> 01:16:01,323 commercials against strippers, I mean that's... 1531 01:16:01,325 --> 01:16:03,024 (it would of been better if I didn't stumble through 1532 01:16:03,026 --> 01:16:05,593 (the word commercial), but that's what it is! 1533 01:16:05,595 --> 01:16:08,329 Guess what. All of the big drug companies have used 1534 01:16:08,331 --> 01:16:11,498 corruption in North America for at least 50 years. 1535 01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:14,667 If you were a doctor, they will come to you and say, 1536 01:16:14,669 --> 01:16:18,370 I will pay you to participate in a conference 1537 01:16:18,372 --> 01:16:20,805 on the phone-it will only take a half an hour of your time. 1538 01:16:20,807 --> 01:16:25,242 Well, guess what the conference is. It is a drug 1539 01:16:25,244 --> 01:16:30,446 company salesman selling you on the latest drug 1540 01:16:30,448 --> 01:16:33,782 to influence you to prescribe that drug the next time 1541 01:16:33,784 --> 01:16:36,651 a patient comes into your office. How are you gonna feel? 1542 01:16:36,653 --> 01:16:39,487 You feel gratitude and your gratitude 1543 01:16:39,489 --> 01:16:42,223 influences your decisions. Nothing should influence 1544 01:16:42,225 --> 01:16:45,659 your decision but what is best for a patient. 1545 01:16:46,194 --> 01:16:49,361 There are pros to having a capitalist endeavor. 1546 01:16:49,363 --> 01:16:52,063 There may be drugs on the market that never would 1547 01:16:52,065 --> 01:16:54,698 have been available because that profit motive wasn't 1548 01:16:54,700 --> 01:16:57,734 pushing these pharmaceutical companies to try 1549 01:16:57,736 --> 01:17:01,137 and develop those new drugs. The problem is that it's 1550 01:17:01,139 --> 01:17:04,840 it's not really a free there's, like, a small 1551 01:17:04,842 --> 01:17:07,175 percentage of pharmaceutical companies that are really 1552 01:17:07,177 --> 01:17:10,578 propped up by our Congress people because they have 1553 01:17:10,580 --> 01:17:12,346 huge lobbies supporting them. 1554 01:17:12,348 --> 01:17:16,350 I recently received a notification of the top 100 1555 01:17:16,352 --> 01:17:18,719 pharmaceutical drugs and how much they made a year 1556 01:17:18,721 --> 01:17:21,188 and you see exactly what all the frenzy is about. 1557 01:17:21,190 --> 01:17:24,291 In 2012, the top-11 global drug companies 1558 01:17:24,293 --> 01:17:29,128 made nearly 85 billion dollars in net profits. 1559 01:17:29,463 --> 01:17:33,498 Just an ungodly amount of money for medicines that 1560 01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:37,201 many of which my patients have been able to stop with 1561 01:17:37,203 --> 01:17:40,270 something that can grow in their backyard. 1562 01:17:40,405 --> 01:17:43,205 Now, look, I was in bed for fifteen years with an 1563 01:17:43,207 --> 01:17:47,175 extremely serious illness. I believe in the importance 1564 01:17:47,177 --> 01:17:51,212 of the major drug companies. Does that mean I believe 1565 01:17:51,214 --> 01:17:56,450 in their right to push research that they've paid for 1566 01:17:56,452 --> 01:18:00,587 into peer-reviewed journals and to prevent research 1567 01:18:00,589 --> 01:18:03,690 that tends to indicate that their drugs don't work? 1568 01:18:03,692 --> 01:18:05,825 There's a case to be made for these pharmaceuticals 1569 01:18:05,827 --> 01:18:08,194 there's the appropriate use of all kinds of medications 1570 01:18:08,196 --> 01:18:11,597 including antidepressants, including antipsychotics, 1571 01:18:11,599 --> 01:18:14,366 but it's hard to make a rational case for the use 1572 01:18:14,368 --> 01:18:17,202 to the extent that they're employed in today's society. 1573 01:18:17,204 --> 01:18:20,872 So, once more, we're faced with the arbitrariness of 1574 01:18:20,874 --> 01:18:22,540 what we consider to be 1575 01:18:22,542 --> 01:18:24,575 acceptable and what is 1576 01:18:24,577 --> 01:18:25,576 unacceptable. 1577 01:18:27,813 --> 01:18:28,912 This seems to be information 1578 01:18:28,914 --> 01:18:31,681 that society could benefit from. 1579 01:18:32,450 --> 01:18:33,849 But how has this vital knowledge managed 1580 01:18:33,851 --> 01:18:36,751 to fly under radars for so long? 1581 01:18:37,253 --> 01:18:38,885 Why are these issues not making their way 1582 01:18:38,887 --> 01:18:41,420 to the forefront of concern in our news? 1583 01:18:41,588 --> 01:18:43,788 So a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that 1584 01:18:43,790 --> 01:18:47,224 the news stations are gonna cover things in the order 1585 01:18:47,226 --> 01:18:49,926 of importance, but in reality they cover them 1586 01:18:49,928 --> 01:18:53,362 in the order of ratings. So if Justin Bieber 1587 01:18:53,364 --> 01:18:54,429 is gonna give you the best ratings, 1588 01:18:54,431 --> 01:18:56,330 they're gonna go first. 1589 01:18:56,332 --> 01:18:58,265 Congressman, let me interrupt you just for a moment. 1590 01:18:58,267 --> 01:19:00,667 We've got some breaking news out of Miami-stand by 1591 01:19:00,669 --> 01:19:04,437 if you will. Right now, in Miami, Justin Bieber has 1592 01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,672 has been arrested on a number of charges. 1593 01:19:06,674 --> 01:19:08,707 You gotta sell whatever it is that wants to advertise 1594 01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:11,609 on your show and if your show is getting shitty ratings, 1595 01:19:11,611 --> 01:19:14,178 they're gonna replace you with a chick with big tits. 1596 01:19:14,180 --> 01:19:15,779 Hey, starting the news off tonight: 1597 01:19:15,781 --> 01:19:18,581 A motherfucker killed three people. We got my guy. 1598 01:19:18,583 --> 01:19:20,482 Hal Fishman standing outside right now. Hal, what's going on? 1599 01:19:20,484 --> 01:19:22,817 'Yeah, the nigga shot three people' 1600 01:19:22,819 --> 01:19:25,486 and blah, blah, blah. That's more attractive! 1601 01:19:25,488 --> 01:19:27,321 Yeah, I don't watch the news; The news is fuckin' depressing. 1602 01:19:27,323 --> 01:19:31,324 They pick the worst shit to follow 1603 01:19:31,326 --> 01:19:32,858 for a long-ass amount of time. 1604 01:19:32,860 --> 01:19:34,826 You think they give a fuck if Barack Obama was 1605 01:19:34,828 --> 01:19:37,461 born in Kenya? They do if it's a good story. 1606 01:19:37,463 --> 01:19:38,895 Because it means that two million people are gonna 1607 01:19:38,897 --> 01:19:40,763 tune in instead of 600,000. 1608 01:19:40,765 --> 01:19:41,864 Then you get people coming out saying, 1609 01:19:41,866 --> 01:19:43,565 'well, what about nuclear bombs? 1610 01:19:43,567 --> 01:19:46,301 That's a good point! We'll be back after this.' 1611 01:19:46,303 --> 01:19:48,569 They're gonna be able to sell advertisement for X-amount 1612 01:19:48,571 --> 01:19:49,870 of money instead of W. 1613 01:19:49,872 --> 01:19:51,905 That kinda shit happens everyday all day 1614 01:19:51,907 --> 01:19:54,374 it's just a matter of which one do they want to put 1615 01:19:54,376 --> 01:19:55,408 the most attention on? 1616 01:19:55,410 --> 01:19:57,510 There's skydiving cats! 1617 01:19:57,512 --> 01:19:59,945 ΒΆ I believe I can fly..ΒΆ 1618 01:20:05,585 --> 01:20:08,719 In all that froth, I think serious debate around 1619 01:20:08,721 --> 01:20:11,722 key policy issues often gets lost. 1620 01:20:11,724 --> 01:20:13,323 That's the problem with current affairs! 1621 01:20:13,325 --> 01:20:15,625 You forget about what's important and you allow the 1622 01:20:15,627 --> 01:20:18,661 agenda to be decided by superficial information. 1623 01:20:18,663 --> 01:20:20,462 Everybody cares about the advertisers. 1624 01:20:20,464 --> 01:20:22,263 They care a tremendous amount. 1625 01:20:22,265 --> 01:20:24,431 If you're gonna do a story that affects the advertisers, 1626 01:20:24,433 --> 01:20:27,834 you will get a call from management. Now, it doesn't 1627 01:20:27,836 --> 01:20:31,404 mean you can't do the story although there is heavy 1628 01:20:31,406 --> 01:20:34,540 pressure to shift priorities within the story. 1629 01:20:34,542 --> 01:20:37,609 It's fucking ridiculous! Puttin' makeup on 1630 01:20:37,611 --> 01:20:39,711 and pretending they're not reading off a script that's 1631 01:20:39,713 --> 01:20:43,481 corporate approved. They have a very specific set of 1632 01:20:43,483 --> 01:20:45,950 parameters that they're supposed to fall into. 1633 01:20:45,952 --> 01:20:48,786 It's OK, you can admit it if you've bought an item or 1634 01:20:48,788 --> 01:20:50,988 two or ten for yourself. 1635 01:20:50,990 --> 01:20:53,690 It's OK, you can admit it if you've bought an item or 1636 01:20:53,692 --> 01:20:56,659 two or maybe... ten for yourself... 1637 01:20:56,661 --> 01:20:59,028 It's OK, you can admit it if you've bought an item or 1638 01:20:59,030 --> 01:21:00,963 two or ten for yourself. 1639 01:21:05,602 --> 01:21:09,270 Originally, when TV first started, news was seen as 1640 01:21:09,272 --> 01:21:10,971 something that was a public service so that you 1641 01:21:10,973 --> 01:21:13,506 informed the American people. The deal was: 1642 01:21:13,508 --> 01:21:16,575 You give us news and we give you the public airwaves 1643 01:21:16,577 --> 01:21:18,977 and then at some point along the lines, the TV stations 1644 01:21:18,979 --> 01:21:21,813 forgot that they weren't supposed to make money off 1645 01:21:21,815 --> 01:21:23,981 the news and then a second thing kicked in that's 1646 01:21:23,983 --> 01:21:26,750 they realized whenever they did 1647 01:21:26,752 --> 01:21:28,585 investigative reporting, they would uncover something 1648 01:21:28,587 --> 01:21:30,353 that the government was doing wrong and it'd be 1649 01:21:30,355 --> 01:21:32,005 a giant hassle. 1650 01:21:32,006 --> 01:21:33,656 You're supposed to question authority as a journalist. 1651 01:21:33,658 --> 01:21:35,524 That's the whole point of the media. 1652 01:21:35,526 --> 01:21:37,859 If you don't question authority, then what the hell 1653 01:21:37,861 --> 01:21:42,029 is the point? CNN just got rid of its investigative team. 1654 01:21:42,031 --> 01:21:44,831 When I was at MSNBC, I looked for an investigative 1655 01:21:44,833 --> 01:21:46,966 reporter to do some of the stories that I wanted 1656 01:21:46,968 --> 01:21:49,568 to cover and they said, 'there isn't one in the 1657 01:21:49,570 --> 01:21:52,737 building.' So I got this amazing speech from the 1658 01:21:52,739 --> 01:21:55,806 head of the network who said, 'look, outsiders are 1659 01:21:55,808 --> 01:21:58,441 they wear leather jackets and 1660 01:21:58,443 --> 01:22:00,843 they ride motorcycles, ' he said, 'but, we're insiders here 1661 01:22:00,845 --> 01:22:03,645 at NBC; We're part of the establishment and you have to 1662 01:22:03,647 --> 01:22:05,713 act like it.' He was telling me that he had just 1663 01:22:05,715 --> 01:22:08,816 gone to Washington and they were not happy with my tone. 1664 01:22:08,818 --> 01:22:11,318 Do you think all these corporations and rich folks 1665 01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,853 are spending money on politics because it's not good 1666 01:22:13,855 --> 01:22:16,989 for business? No! Obviously they think it's a great 1667 01:22:16,991 --> 01:22:18,857 investment for them. 1668 01:22:18,859 --> 01:22:22,093 I was challenging the Republicans and the Democrats 1669 01:22:22,095 --> 01:22:23,778 too much. 1670 01:22:23,779 --> 01:22:25,462 How about if we didn't go into that dumbass war in 1671 01:22:25,465 --> 01:22:29,066 Iraq and waste a trillion dollars when we found 1672 01:22:29,068 --> 01:22:30,834 zero weapons of mass destruction. You flushed 1673 01:22:30,836 --> 01:22:32,236 that down the toilet! 1674 01:22:32,237 --> 01:22:33,637 We're talking social security not your politics! 1675 01:22:33,638 --> 01:22:35,038 And now you're talking about robbing people's social security! 1676 01:22:35,039 --> 01:22:36,439 That is outrageous! 1677 01:22:36,441 --> 01:22:38,707 Not your contempt for America, we're talking about 1678 01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:40,109 social security. Stick to the topic! 1679 01:22:40,110 --> 01:22:42,977 Contempt for America? You lost 4400 American lives 1680 01:22:42,979 --> 01:22:45,579 in Iraq! You have contempt for America! 1681 01:22:45,581 --> 01:22:48,748 I remember taking several guests to task 1682 01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:52,051 saying all of our politicians are systematically corrupt. 1683 01:22:52,053 --> 01:22:55,721 They get legalized bribes which we 1684 01:22:55,723 --> 01:22:58,757 call donations. We've forgot- tten that they're in essence 1685 01:22:58,759 --> 01:23:01,426 just bribes. Who's gonna give you money for nothing? 1686 01:23:01,428 --> 01:23:03,528 No one right? They're gonna give you money so that 1687 01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:06,864 you do them a favor. Every time I would point that out 1688 01:23:06,866 --> 01:23:09,032 there'd again be a call from management like, 1689 01:23:09,034 --> 01:23:11,634 'hey, we're not saying you can't do that. On the other hand 1690 01:23:11,636 --> 01:23:13,602 if you'd like to keep the six o'clock slot...' 1691 01:23:13,604 --> 01:23:15,403 But in that one meeting that I had 1692 01:23:15,405 --> 01:23:17,739 with the head of of the network, it was no longer implicit. 1693 01:23:17,741 --> 01:23:19,540 It was explicit and he said, 1694 01:23:19,542 --> 01:23:22,543 'this is the reality and you either get back in line 1695 01:23:22,545 --> 01:23:24,578 or we go in a different direction.' 1696 01:23:24,580 --> 01:23:26,212 If anything, I went harder after the establishment 1697 01:23:26,214 --> 01:23:27,646 after that. 1698 01:23:27,648 --> 01:23:30,548 They sucked so much money out of the 1699 01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:33,684 system that we had one of the largest economic crashes 1700 01:23:33,686 --> 01:23:37,087 of all time and they're not even done yet! 1701 01:23:37,089 --> 01:23:39,589 And then, a couple months later, they called me in 1702 01:23:39,591 --> 01:23:41,223 and they're like, 'apparently you didn't get it!' 1703 01:23:41,225 --> 01:23:44,526 So, you were at six o'clock; We're moving you 1704 01:23:44,528 --> 01:23:45,693 from six o'clock to the weekends; 1705 01:23:45,695 --> 01:23:47,828 We're gonna pay you a ton of money 1706 01:23:47,829 --> 01:23:49,962 so hush up' and I said thanks but no thanks. 1707 01:23:49,965 --> 01:23:52,899 I didn't take the weekend job and I went back to 1708 01:23:52,901 --> 01:23:54,901 do the Young Turks online. 1709 01:23:55,803 --> 01:23:57,536 We have three branches of government, 1710 01:23:57,538 --> 01:23:59,104 and those three branches are supposed to be part 1711 01:23:59,106 --> 01:24:01,873 of the checks and balances that make the government work. 1712 01:24:02,675 --> 01:24:05,676 The media and journalists are a huge part of that. I mean, 1713 01:24:05,678 --> 01:24:07,244 you think Americans are complacent now? 1714 01:24:07,246 --> 01:24:09,813 They'll be even more complacent if they're not given 1715 01:24:09,815 --> 01:24:13,116 the information they need to be politically active. 1716 01:24:22,559 --> 01:24:24,225 Drama works on television. 1717 01:24:24,227 --> 01:24:26,827 Now, in the world of politics, the soap opera is. 1718 01:24:26,829 --> 01:24:30,096 Democrats versus Republicans. It's not who's right 1719 01:24:30,098 --> 01:24:34,966 in terms of the policies or ideology. What is easy is: 1720 01:24:34,968 --> 01:24:38,169 He said this, she said that; Isn't that amazing? 1721 01:24:38,171 --> 01:24:40,304 Look at the Democrats and Republicans, they're always 1722 01:24:40,306 --> 01:24:42,539 fighting... oh no, look at this: the Republicans are 1723 01:24:42,541 --> 01:24:45,041 fighting amongst themselves. Catfights sell. 1724 01:24:45,043 --> 01:24:46,976 Which is why you have the red team and the blue team, 1725 01:24:46,978 --> 01:24:49,645 you know, all over the world it's red team-blue team. 1726 01:24:49,647 --> 01:24:51,213 And they have these rigid ideologies that are 1727 01:24:51,215 --> 01:24:53,949 associated with these teams and they just run with it. 1728 01:24:53,951 --> 01:24:56,685 Find a place where you are surrounded by like-minded 1729 01:24:56,687 --> 01:24:58,853 people and the best way to find those people is you 1730 01:24:58,855 --> 01:25:04,191 should probably look at the maps on how counties voted. 1731 01:25:04,193 --> 01:25:07,093 We think it's a bunch of ideas about how the world 1732 01:25:07,095 --> 01:25:10,329 works and how we can make it better. Sorry, that's not 1733 01:25:10,331 --> 01:25:14,333 really what it is. Ideas are a badge of identity 1734 01:25:14,335 --> 01:25:17,002 they're a badge of identity for a subculture. 1735 01:25:17,004 --> 01:25:20,805 It's my group versus your group and I will make damn 1736 01:25:20,807 --> 01:25:24,708 sure that my representative represents my badge of 1737 01:25:24,710 --> 01:25:29,812 identity, my group's supposed ideas, the ones that 1738 01:25:29,814 --> 01:25:36,351 represent my group's uniform not your group's uniform. 1739 01:25:36,353 --> 01:25:39,287 And there's a lot of seemingly intelligent people 1740 01:25:39,289 --> 01:25:42,890 that have ridiculous ideas that are cleverly worded 1741 01:25:42,892 --> 01:25:45,325 in a nice flowing and confident way 1742 01:25:45,327 --> 01:25:47,226 that makes you think that what they're saying makes sense. 1743 01:25:47,228 --> 01:25:51,696 A lot of work gets done on tobacco whereas drugs 1744 01:25:51,698 --> 01:25:54,999 are pretty much specifically just to get high. 1745 01:25:55,001 --> 01:25:56,700 It's not, I'm enjoying- 1746 01:25:56,702 --> 01:25:59,135 But a lot of people drink to get high... 1747 01:25:59,137 --> 01:26:02,071 Yeah, but that's more of a subsidiary point. 1748 01:26:02,073 --> 01:26:04,339 People are not openly discussing anything, 1749 01:26:04,341 --> 01:26:07,075 they're just defending points of view and in defending 1750 01:26:07,077 --> 01:26:09,811 points of view, they're defending their egos. 1751 01:26:09,813 --> 01:26:12,680 Which means they're expressing the ideas that they think 1752 01:26:12,682 --> 01:26:17,951 others want to hear. Which means they're not thinking! 1753 01:26:17,953 --> 01:26:20,853 So, you can present the facts to people, but the facts 1754 01:26:20,855 --> 01:26:23,255 won't penetrate because it's not about facts, 1755 01:26:23,257 --> 01:26:25,690 it's about opinions they have to hold onto 1756 01:26:25,692 --> 01:26:27,925 in order to feel okay about themselves. 1757 01:26:27,927 --> 01:26:30,093 Potheads that I knew at that time, when I see 'em: 1758 01:26:30,095 --> 01:26:33,963 'Hey man, hey bro, hey what's that? What's going on?' 1759 01:26:33,965 --> 01:26:37,132 Every one of 'em are brain dead! It's fact. 1760 01:26:37,134 --> 01:26:39,200 Everyone that I know in my long history of life, 1761 01:26:39,202 --> 01:26:43,237 everyone that was a pot smoker, their brains are defuncitated! 1762 01:26:43,239 --> 01:26:46,006 Fox News, as we've known for a long time, 1763 01:26:46,008 --> 01:26:48,842 does Republican propaganda. Unfortunately, MSNBC 1764 01:26:48,844 --> 01:26:52,278 has now come to largely do Democratic propaganda. 1765 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:56,215 CNN does propaganda for both; They say, 'the Republicans said 1766 01:26:56,217 --> 01:26:57,816 this and the Democrats said that. 1767 01:26:57,818 --> 01:26:59,851 Now, what's the truth? Who cares? 1768 01:26:59,853 --> 01:27:02,954 My job is just to tell you what the latest catfight is. 1769 01:27:02,956 --> 01:27:06,424 It creates this partisan division in the country 1770 01:27:06,426 --> 01:27:09,059 where people feel like, 'I have to root for my team 1771 01:27:09,061 --> 01:27:10,960 regardless of what they do.' 1772 01:27:10,962 --> 01:27:12,995 It's sometimes hard to see contradictions 1773 01:27:12,997 --> 01:27:16,431 that find their way into politics. Inconsistencies 1774 01:27:16,433 --> 01:27:18,399 with politicians tend to get lost 1775 01:27:18,401 --> 01:27:19,900 in a mass amount of information 1776 01:27:19,902 --> 01:27:22,022 that now finds its way to our attention. 1777 01:27:23,771 --> 01:27:26,905 In some cases, these contradictions sit right 1778 01:27:26,907 --> 01:27:29,040 in front of our face. 1779 01:27:30,109 --> 01:27:32,876 When you look at the Obama website where they were 1780 01:27:32,878 --> 01:27:35,879 looking for information-what is important to you, 1781 01:27:35,881 --> 01:27:37,747 what do want to see us do? 1782 01:27:37,749 --> 01:27:40,149 I have to say that there was one question that was 1783 01:27:40,151 --> 01:27:43,352 voted on that ranked fairly high and that was 1784 01:27:43,354 --> 01:27:47,322 whether legalizing marijuana would improve the 1785 01:27:47,324 --> 01:27:55,229 economy and job creation and, uh, I don't 1786 01:27:55,231 --> 01:27:59,432 know what this says about the online audience. 1787 01:28:00,802 --> 01:28:02,234 And he goes, 'ha ha, I don't know what that says about 1788 01:28:02,236 --> 01:28:04,703 this group.' What it says about this group is: 1789 01:28:04,705 --> 01:28:07,105 They like pot! Why don't you explain to me what's 1790 01:28:07,107 --> 01:28:11,209 wrong with the idea that people want you to make it 1791 01:28:11,211 --> 01:28:14,779 so that someone doesn't get locked in a fucking cage 1792 01:28:14,781 --> 01:28:16,814 for a forbidden plant? 1793 01:28:16,816 --> 01:28:19,082 Yeah, I did it, I got away with it, too bad you're not. 1794 01:28:19,084 --> 01:28:21,951 So move on to the next question. Look at how 1795 01:28:21,953 --> 01:28:23,819 many of us they're locking up. 1796 01:28:23,821 --> 01:28:25,120 There's nothing funny about it. 1797 01:28:26,123 --> 01:28:28,957 Now, think about how mental the last three 1798 01:28:28,959 --> 01:28:33,327 presidents, at least, confirmed that they in fact 1799 01:28:33,329 --> 01:28:37,030 did smoke marijuana. So, shouldn't they be in jail? 1800 01:28:37,032 --> 01:28:38,998 I mean they've admitted it, right? 1801 01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,900 Obama apparently rather enjoyed it. 1802 01:28:41,902 --> 01:28:44,002 It makes him the him the hip President! 'I'm the cool. 1803 01:28:44,004 --> 01:28:45,937 President, I'm the happeningest President 1804 01:28:45,939 --> 01:28:50,508 I say weed, I say blow, it's all a big deal ha ha ha!' 1805 01:28:50,510 --> 01:28:53,811 Huge laugh from the college students and if he had 1806 01:28:53,813 --> 01:28:58,415 done time in prison, time in federal prison, 1807 01:28:58,417 --> 01:29:01,251 time for his weed and a little blow, 1808 01:29:01,253 --> 01:29:05,421 he would not be President of the United States of America. 1809 01:29:05,423 --> 01:29:08,457 This is his quote from 'I'm not going to be 1810 01:29:08,459 --> 01:29:11,226 using Justice department resources to try to 1811 01:29:11,228 --> 01:29:14,963 circumvent state laws on this issue.' 1812 01:29:14,965 --> 01:29:17,832 Well, bullshit, that's exactly what he's been doing. 1813 01:29:17,834 --> 01:29:22,168 He has launched the most vicious attack on medical 1814 01:29:22,170 --> 01:29:25,504 marijuana patients and dispensaries 1815 01:29:25,506 --> 01:29:28,473 that pales Bush by comparison. 1816 01:29:28,475 --> 01:29:31,075 He's raided me. The DEA has been in this house. 1817 01:29:31,077 --> 01:29:33,077 One of the reasons we are making these announcements 1818 01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:36,380 today is to try to put to rest the notion that large 1819 01:29:36,382 --> 01:29:39,483 marijuana businesses can shelter themselves under 1820 01:29:39,485 --> 01:29:41,485 state law and operate without 1821 01:29:41,487 --> 01:29:43,820 fear of federal enforcement. 1822 01:29:44,222 --> 01:29:48,423 In a report issued in June 2013 it was found that the DEA 1823 01:29:48,425 --> 01:29:50,525 had performed 270 medical marijuana raids 1824 01:29:50,527 --> 01:29:53,427 under Barack Obama in the first four and a half years 1825 01:29:53,429 --> 01:29:57,063 of his presidency. This was more than all 12 years combined 1826 01:29:57,065 --> 01:29:58,831 before he took office. 1827 01:29:59,099 --> 01:30:01,999 The Obama administration outspent the Bush administration 1828 01:30:02,001 --> 01:30:06,169 by 100 million dollars in about half the time. 1829 01:30:06,171 --> 01:30:08,204 People get freaked out when you say that. 1830 01:30:08,206 --> 01:30:11,807 'But Obama is hope and change! He's a Democrat; 1831 01:30:11,809 --> 01:30:13,975 He's a good guy! You can't say that about Obama! 1832 01:30:13,977 --> 01:30:15,593 He had a choice... 1833 01:30:15,594 --> 01:30:17,210 he coulda done as his campaign promised and said, 1834 01:30:17,213 --> 01:30:19,246 hey, you know what? We're not gonna do the dispensary 1835 01:30:19,248 --> 01:30:22,215 raids anymore. If you have made medicinal marijuana 1836 01:30:22,217 --> 01:30:23,883 in your legal state, we're gonna respect that.' 1837 01:30:23,885 --> 01:30:25,925 That's what he said during the campaign. 1838 01:30:33,293 --> 01:30:35,960 But when he goes to act, what did he do? 1839 01:30:35,962 --> 01:30:40,830 He put the most right-winger that they had in the DEA, 1840 01:30:40,832 --> 01:30:43,365 who was left over from the Bush years, as the head 1841 01:30:43,367 --> 01:30:46,401 of the DEA. Now, why would you do that? You could have 1842 01:30:46,403 --> 01:30:49,036 picked anybody but you picked the biggest 1843 01:30:49,038 --> 01:30:50,904 right-winger in the department. 1844 01:30:50,906 --> 01:30:52,939 Why? And this is what people can't 1845 01:30:52,941 --> 01:30:55,875 he's a politician just like 1846 01:30:55,877 --> 01:30:58,477 the rest of them so he thinks, 'if I can curry a little 1847 01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,480 bit of favor by putting this right-winger in, well, 1848 01:31:01,482 --> 01:31:04,800 I will seem so moderate and that will increase 1849 01:31:04,801 --> 01:31:08,119 my chances of winning in 2012 by maybe half a percent. 1850 01:31:08,121 --> 01:31:10,888 President George W. Bush, who pretty much has 1851 01:31:10,890 --> 01:31:13,223 acknowledged while he was young and irresponsible 1852 01:31:13,225 --> 01:31:14,624 and a playboy, he used cocaine 1853 01:31:14,626 --> 01:31:17,093 and then when he was governor of Texas 1854 01:31:17,095 --> 01:31:20,129 signed legislation mandating anyone 1855 01:31:20,131 --> 01:31:22,531 that uses cocaine must go to jail 1856 01:31:22,533 --> 01:31:24,466 a minimum of 180 days. 1857 01:31:24,468 --> 01:31:27,168 That's beyond hypocrisy. 1858 01:31:27,170 --> 01:31:30,204 When asked about drugs, he said, 'I don't want to 1859 01:31:30,206 --> 01:31:32,606 answer the marijuana question. You know why? 1860 01:31:32,608 --> 01:31:34,728 I don't want young kids doing what I did.' 1861 01:31:36,176 --> 01:31:39,110 Likewise, I mean when you look at interviews 1862 01:31:39,112 --> 01:31:40,344 that have been done with Bill Clinton 1863 01:31:40,346 --> 01:31:43,613 after he left office, he openly admitted 1864 01:31:43,615 --> 01:31:46,315 that he thinks that marijuana should be decriminalized 1865 01:31:46,317 --> 01:31:48,283 and it's like, oh, well if only you were in a position 1866 01:31:48,285 --> 01:31:51,552 to do something about that! 1867 01:31:51,554 --> 01:31:54,155 I wouldn't pretend that I know what pulls a President's 1868 01:31:54,157 --> 01:31:57,024 strings, but I do know there's a stark contrast 1869 01:31:57,026 --> 01:32:01,061 between the way every President behaves before 1870 01:32:01,063 --> 01:32:04,197 they get into office and then once they get into office. 1871 01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:08,433 The general public should hold politicians accountable 1872 01:32:08,435 --> 01:32:11,602 for saying one thing when they're not in power 1873 01:32:11,604 --> 01:32:14,071 and doing another when they come into power. 1874 01:32:14,073 --> 01:32:16,373 There's a sort of rhetorical trick they quite often use 1875 01:32:16,375 --> 01:32:18,441 to say, 'oh, this is something I did in the past, 1876 01:32:18,443 --> 01:32:20,576 it's something I regret, I wouldn't advise anyone else 1877 01:32:20,578 --> 01:32:22,628 to do it.' So, they somehow 1878 01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:24,679 distance themselves from their own person. 1879 01:32:24,682 --> 01:32:27,416 And the public puts up with that hypocrisy 1880 01:32:27,418 --> 01:32:30,085 they get it when you point it out to them, but I don't 1881 01:32:30,087 --> 01:32:31,653 know why they put up with it. 1882 01:32:31,655 --> 01:32:36,290 So it may be that President X or President Y has 1883 01:32:36,292 --> 01:32:39,126 smoked cannabis at some point in their lives or used 1884 01:32:39,128 --> 01:32:42,496 other illegal drugs, but when they get to the top 1885 01:32:42,498 --> 01:32:47,233 they are going to oppress others for using illegal drugs. 1886 01:32:47,235 --> 01:32:49,368 That's an idea that never would have crossed the mind 1887 01:32:49,370 --> 01:32:51,470 of any of our founding fathers. If anyone had stood up 1888 01:32:51,472 --> 01:32:53,338 at a constitutional convention and said 1889 01:32:53,340 --> 01:32:55,373 hey! Let's ban alcohol, ' that idea wouldn't have 1890 01:32:55,375 --> 01:32:57,441 gotten very far and it wouldn't have gotten very far 1891 01:32:57,443 --> 01:32:59,609 not because they were a bunch of drunks, but because 1892 01:32:59,611 --> 01:33:02,578 the idea that the federal government had that degree 1893 01:33:02,580 --> 01:33:06,048 of power over sovereign individuals was anathema to 1894 01:33:06,050 --> 01:33:09,818 what they were trying to create in forming a new country. 1895 01:33:14,457 --> 01:33:17,391 That's why it's essential to make decisions in public 1896 01:33:17,393 --> 01:33:20,627 wherever possible, based on the actual evidence that 1897 01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:22,261 there is for something. 1898 01:33:22,263 --> 01:33:23,729 How else are you going make policy? Are you going to 1899 01:33:23,731 --> 01:33:27,632 base it on some sort of faith? Or a wish that something 1900 01:33:27,634 --> 01:33:29,333 will happen just because you want it to? What are you 1901 01:33:29,335 --> 01:33:31,735 going to do? Stand and sort of scream on the spot 1902 01:33:31,737 --> 01:33:33,436 until you get your way like a small child? 1903 01:33:33,438 --> 01:33:35,237 And that's effectively what some of our politicians 1904 01:33:35,239 --> 01:33:36,738 seem to be doing. 1905 01:33:36,740 --> 01:33:40,174 For six months, I worked as a policy advisor at the 1906 01:33:40,176 --> 01:33:43,076 highest levels of the British civil service, 1907 01:33:43,078 --> 01:33:45,478 working to advise the most senior people 1908 01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:47,096 on the issues of drugs and crime 1909 01:33:47,097 --> 01:33:48,713 and the aim of that was to get an academic in there 1910 01:33:48,716 --> 01:33:50,415 to help give them some evidence 1911 01:33:50,417 --> 01:33:52,717 that they could base their policies on, but I found 1912 01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,852 that that was actually quite a difficult job to do. 1913 01:33:54,854 --> 01:33:57,187 Those civil servants told me that they had learnt 1914 01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:59,589 that it was not helpful to use evidence which 1915 01:33:59,591 --> 01:34:02,725 challenges the dominant way of thinking that's already 1916 01:34:02,727 --> 01:34:04,326 structuring most policies. 1917 01:34:04,328 --> 01:34:06,828 It's much easier to take evidence that supports 1918 01:34:06,830 --> 01:34:08,596 what you're already doing 1919 01:34:08,597 --> 01:34:10,363 and use that to justify the continuation 1920 01:34:10,366 --> 01:34:12,632 of your existing policy. 1921 01:34:13,434 --> 01:34:15,834 One of the leading figures in research in Drugs and Policy 1922 01:34:15,836 --> 01:34:17,735 is Professor David Nutt. 1923 01:34:17,737 --> 01:34:21,171 He was the government advisor for the ACMD. 1924 01:34:21,173 --> 01:34:24,641 The ACMD is the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs. 1925 01:34:24,643 --> 01:34:28,411 We had created a 16-point scale of harms and then we 1926 01:34:28,413 --> 01:34:31,847 took twenty drugs and we ranked all those drugs on 1927 01:34:31,849 --> 01:34:34,716 these sixteen different harms, and then when we 1928 01:34:34,718 --> 01:34:36,851 put all that together into this computer program called 1929 01:34:36,853 --> 01:34:40,621 multi-criteria decision analysis, we discovered that 1930 01:34:40,623 --> 01:34:43,590 the most harmful drug overall was alcohol. 1931 01:34:43,592 --> 01:34:46,893 It showed that the drug laws, which ignore the most harmful 1932 01:34:46,895 --> 01:34:49,395 drug, were actually based on a wrong 1933 01:34:49,397 --> 01:34:54,132 understanding of harms. Politicians wanted to get 1934 01:34:54,134 --> 01:34:57,235 some kind of political advantage by being hard 1935 01:34:57,237 --> 01:34:59,770 on cannabis and our study said, 'well hang on, cannabis 1936 01:34:59,772 --> 01:35:02,839 is much, much less harmful than alcohol.' 1937 01:35:03,241 --> 01:35:04,907 I thought I was going to be encouraged 1938 01:35:04,909 --> 01:35:07,809 to tell the scientific truth 1939 01:35:07,811 --> 01:35:09,377 and then suddenly one afternoon, 1940 01:35:09,379 --> 01:35:11,379 I got a phone call saying effectively, 1941 01:35:11,381 --> 01:35:13,247 'you've gotta resign' and I said, 'why?' 1942 01:35:13,249 --> 01:35:15,282 And he said, 'because you're giving mixed messages; 1943 01:35:15,284 --> 01:35:17,717 We've gotta have cannabis is bad, 1944 01:35:17,719 --> 01:35:20,619 alcohol is good. When we say we want you to resign 1945 01:35:20,621 --> 01:35:23,855 it means you're sacked' and so I was sacked. 1946 01:35:23,857 --> 01:35:26,557 Professor's Nutt's dismissal came after he dared to suggest 1947 01:35:26,559 --> 01:35:29,359 drugs like cannabis and ecstasy are less harmful 1948 01:35:29,361 --> 01:35:32,195 than alcohol and tobacco. 1949 01:35:32,197 --> 01:35:34,597 It was a very interesting experience because, here, 1950 01:35:34,599 --> 01:35:37,900 you've spend ten years of your life doing what you 1951 01:35:37,902 --> 01:35:42,637 know is right and what you know-if that was accepted 1952 01:35:42,639 --> 01:35:45,706 by government, by policy- makers-would be better for 1953 01:35:45,708 --> 01:35:48,809 society and then for simple political reasons, 1954 01:35:48,811 --> 01:35:51,178 you get humiliated publically. 1955 01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:54,314 After an angry exchange on Sky News yesterday, 1956 01:35:54,316 --> 01:35:57,684 Alan Johnson reiterated his argument in a letter to. 1957 01:35:57,686 --> 01:35:59,252 The Guardian today: 1958 01:35:59,821 --> 01:36:02,521 'Professor Nutt was not sacked for his views, 1959 01:36:02,523 --> 01:36:06,291 which I respect but disagree with. He was asked to go 1960 01:36:06,293 --> 01:36:08,760 because he cannot be both a government adviser 1961 01:36:08,762 --> 01:36:11,662 and campaigner against government policy. 1962 01:36:11,664 --> 01:36:14,331 But it kind of backfired on the government because his sacking 1963 01:36:14,333 --> 01:36:18,435 attracted an enormous amount of media attention. 1964 01:36:19,604 --> 01:36:22,871 Suddenly the debate wasn't just about whether this 1965 01:36:22,873 --> 01:36:25,373 expert committee had got it right about drugs, 1966 01:36:25,375 --> 01:36:26,874 it was a whole debate about the role of science 1967 01:36:26,876 --> 01:36:29,543 in policy-making. 1968 01:36:30,579 --> 01:36:32,879 This brings us to an interesting question: 1969 01:36:32,881 --> 01:36:35,314 If evidence doesn't play the role we think it does 1970 01:36:35,316 --> 01:36:38,283 in policy-making, then what does? 1971 01:36:39,519 --> 01:36:42,319 Turns out there's this thing called lobbying. 1972 01:36:42,321 --> 01:36:44,688 And just what is lobbying? 1973 01:36:45,657 --> 01:36:48,724 Lobbying is supposed to be simply getting access 1974 01:36:48,726 --> 01:36:50,659 to the politicians and making your case. 1975 01:36:50,661 --> 01:36:52,560 So, the American people can lobby 1976 01:36:52,562 --> 01:36:54,461 just as much as a special interest could. 1977 01:36:54,463 --> 01:36:55,929 It's supposed to work like that, and the politician 1978 01:36:55,931 --> 01:36:59,332 then ponders it and says, 'oh, well, 1979 01:36:59,334 --> 01:37:00,650 you've both made an interesting case, 1980 01:37:00,651 --> 01:37:01,967 but I'm going to go with this side or that side.' 1981 01:37:02,336 --> 01:37:04,369 Now, that's not what it is at all, 1982 01:37:04,371 --> 01:37:07,672 okay? The reality of what it has become is: 1983 01:37:07,674 --> 01:37:10,841 Two sides come in with two checks-whoever has the 1984 01:37:10,843 --> 01:37:14,945 larger check wins. That's lobbying in a nutshell. 1985 01:37:14,947 --> 01:37:17,414 So, if it's defense contractors, or private prisons, 1986 01:37:17,416 --> 01:37:19,416 or whoever it might be that's giving money for that issue 1987 01:37:19,418 --> 01:37:21,384 they're gonna win! They're not gonna win some 1988 01:37:21,386 --> 01:37:24,720 of the time; They're gonna win all of the time. 1989 01:37:24,722 --> 01:37:27,022 I think Bill Hicks said it best. Bill Hicks said, 1990 01:37:27,024 --> 01:37:29,891 'this is my impression of American politics.' 1991 01:37:29,893 --> 01:37:33,594 He goes-it's a guy holding two puppets-and people go, 1992 01:37:33,596 --> 01:37:36,296 'well the puppet on the right is more to my liking, 1993 01:37:36,298 --> 01:37:38,965 well I feel like the puppet on the left suits my beliefs 1994 01:37:38,967 --> 01:37:41,467 like, hey, wait a minute: It's one guy and he's 1995 01:37:41,469 --> 01:37:43,235 holding both puppets! 1996 01:37:43,236 --> 01:37:45,002 Once corporations were allowed to spend money in 1997 01:37:45,005 --> 01:37:48,272 politics, they owned politics. 1998 01:37:48,274 --> 01:37:50,807 Corporations are people, my friend. We could raise taxes 1999 01:37:50,809 --> 01:37:53,910 of course they are- everything corporations earn 2000 01:37:53,912 --> 01:37:57,647 ultimately goes to people. Where do you think it goes? 2001 01:37:57,649 --> 01:38:00,516 You give me money, I do you favors-everybody got 2002 01:38:00,518 --> 01:38:02,851 used to it. Now the media doesn't even blink; 2003 01:38:02,853 --> 01:38:04,986 They think, 'well if you're good at raising money, that 2004 01:38:04,988 --> 01:38:06,587 must mean you're a good politician.' Now, what does 2005 01:38:06,589 --> 01:38:08,989 that have to do with serving the people? Do you know 2006 01:38:08,991 --> 01:38:13,692 that, 95% of the time, the person with more money wins 2007 01:38:13,694 --> 01:38:17,295 the congressional election at the national stage? 2008 01:38:17,297 --> 01:38:18,996 It doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative, 2009 01:38:18,998 --> 01:38:22,866 the main thing that matters is do you have more money? 2010 01:38:23,335 --> 01:38:27,569 So, for the 2012 elections, they spent six billion dollars 2011 01:38:27,571 --> 01:38:29,971 on all the national elections. 2012 01:38:29,973 --> 01:38:32,440 They spent a billion for the Obama campaign, 2013 01:38:32,442 --> 01:38:34,375 a billion for the Romney campaign 2014 01:38:34,377 --> 01:38:35,809 and four billion for all the senate and 2015 01:38:35,811 --> 01:38:37,677 congressional elections. 2016 01:38:38,579 --> 01:38:40,579 It's large donors and 2017 01:38:40,581 --> 01:38:42,847 they're not spending six billion dollars for their health. 2018 01:38:42,849 --> 01:38:45,549 They're spending the six billion dollars to 2019 01:38:45,551 --> 01:38:47,417 get back 12 billion 2020 01:38:47,419 --> 01:38:48,718 or 60 billion 2021 01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:53,322 I got a campaign. I need money. Who's got money? 2022 01:38:53,324 --> 01:38:57,726 That woman with four kids selling $31 worth of marijuana, 2023 01:38:57,728 --> 01:39:00,929 she's got no money, but that banker, 2024 01:39:00,931 --> 01:39:04,732 that Wall Street guy, that corporation guy- 2025 01:39:04,734 --> 01:39:08,001 hey, I think they have a few bucks to spread around. 2026 01:39:08,003 --> 01:39:12,371 It actually becomes an undercurrent to every single 2027 01:39:12,373 --> 01:39:15,507 legislative action that we see. Everybody's concerned 2028 01:39:15,509 --> 01:39:18,109 about re-election; Everybody's concerned about how to 2029 01:39:18,111 --> 01:39:20,945 sell themselves, not to their constituents, 2030 01:39:20,947 --> 01:39:23,187 but to the lobbying and to the interest groups. 2031 01:39:23,849 --> 01:39:27,016 It fucks up the framework and the groundwork for the 2032 01:39:27,018 --> 01:39:29,485 world that we operate in. 2033 01:39:31,355 --> 01:39:35,056 So where does this leave society when those who are 2034 01:39:35,058 --> 01:39:37,691 elected to represent the public no longer have the 2035 01:39:37,693 --> 01:39:43,496 motivation to do so? How can balance be re-achieved? 2036 01:39:43,498 --> 01:39:44,997 What else can alter the framework 2037 01:39:44,999 --> 01:39:46,765 of the world around us? 2038 01:39:51,804 --> 01:39:57,707 If you think in terms of our communication environment, 2039 01:39:57,709 --> 01:40:01,677 the advent of the 'net represented a tremendous 2040 01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:02,944 inflection point. 2041 01:40:04,113 --> 01:40:07,615 Before that, the sources of information 2042 01:40:07,617 --> 01:40:09,917 that we had were pretty much 2043 01:40:09,919 --> 01:40:12,920 institutionally structured. 2044 01:40:12,922 --> 01:40:16,156 That very strong filter is breaking down and that's 2045 01:40:16,158 --> 01:40:18,825 giving people around the world the chance 2046 01:40:18,827 --> 01:40:20,694 to think for themselves 2047 01:40:20,695 --> 01:40:22,562 I have a real bug about nobody respects books 2048 01:40:22,564 --> 01:40:24,697 anymore; Books going out the window and everyone's 2049 01:40:24,699 --> 01:40:27,666 reading on these bloody screens. It's just so easy to 2050 01:40:27,668 --> 01:40:29,668 Google stuff. Everyone's just like, 'oh, let's check. 2051 01:40:29,670 --> 01:40:32,737 Google' no! It's a real, like, big bug there for me; 2052 01:40:32,739 --> 01:40:34,923 It really annoys me. 2053 01:40:34,924 --> 01:40:37,164 Where do you get most of your news from today? 2054 01:40:38,811 --> 01:40:41,311 I think, the internet actually! 2055 01:40:42,514 --> 01:40:45,548 Suddenly, it's a different world. The folk that control 2056 01:40:45,550 --> 01:40:49,551 big media now no longer control the whole of 2057 01:40:49,553 --> 01:40:51,252 that media environment. 2058 01:40:51,687 --> 01:40:53,286 We're not reliant, say, in England, 2059 01:40:53,288 --> 01:40:57,289 on the Daily Telegraphs and the fear that politicians have 2060 01:40:57,291 --> 01:41:00,258 over two or three publications. 2061 01:41:00,260 --> 01:41:04,595 Blogs have become the media; there really is a public debate. 2062 01:41:04,597 --> 01:41:08,198 This is like the public forum of Athens or Rome. 2063 01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,066 It's the freedom to do what you want. Can't nobody 2064 01:41:10,068 --> 01:41:12,234 tell you what you can and can't do on the internet. 2065 01:41:12,236 --> 01:41:14,869 You can do what the hell you wanna do when you wanna do it. 2066 01:41:14,871 --> 01:41:17,938 You may connect with somebody in another country 2067 01:41:17,940 --> 01:41:19,873 who may have some information that'd really enlighten the world. 2068 01:41:19,875 --> 01:41:22,709 Because we don't know it all in America: We only know 2069 01:41:22,711 --> 01:41:25,778 half the story. I was, you know, close-minded 2070 01:41:25,780 --> 01:41:27,913 I was just thinking about California and the 2071 01:41:27,915 --> 01:41:29,748 lifestyle I grew up in. 2072 01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:32,617 In Alice in Wonderland, it said something like this: 2073 01:41:32,619 --> 01:41:34,585 'How do I know what I think until I hear what I have to say?' 2074 01:41:34,587 --> 01:41:37,621 On the internet you can actually express yourself 2075 01:41:37,623 --> 01:41:41,091 out loud; You can add a new dimension to thinking 2076 01:41:41,093 --> 01:41:45,228 and for the first time, if you have an opinion, 2077 01:41:45,230 --> 01:41:48,231 you can go out there and express it, and if you have 2078 01:41:48,233 --> 01:41:52,201 the ability to promote it, you can get attention for it. 2079 01:41:52,203 --> 01:41:53,719 Post it 2080 01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:55,236 and before you know it, a million people could be 2081 01:41:55,239 --> 01:41:57,839 following you, talkin' with you, respectin' your 2082 01:41:57,841 --> 01:42:01,008 views. Or they could be talkin' bad about your views. 2083 01:42:01,010 --> 01:42:03,343 All of a sudden, issues that would not have 2084 01:42:03,345 --> 01:42:07,146 been discussed before are being discussed. 2085 01:42:07,148 --> 01:42:10,349 There's these little communities based on ideas 2086 01:42:10,351 --> 01:42:13,819 and thoughts that are building and those ideas turn into 2087 01:42:13,821 --> 01:42:17,255 other ideas and other programming and it's weird if 2088 01:42:17,257 --> 01:42:20,825 you were to look at it on a chart or on a graph. 2089 01:42:21,861 --> 01:42:25,729 In terms of the War on Drugs, the internet has been phenomenal. 2090 01:42:25,731 --> 01:42:28,698 There was a great thirst for the truth 2091 01:42:28,700 --> 01:42:32,101 and so anytime that truth leaked out on the internet 2092 01:42:32,103 --> 01:42:34,203 people would just jump on it. 2093 01:42:34,205 --> 01:42:36,238 'Oh, marijuana has medicinal benefits? 2094 01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:37,872 Oh, wow, Richard Nixon already had the report 2095 01:42:37,874 --> 01:42:40,641 that said marijuana wasn't bad for you?' 2096 01:42:40,643 --> 01:42:43,310 They jump on it and they think, 'thank God 2097 01:42:43,312 --> 01:42:46,746 there's now something that let's me access the truth! 2098 01:42:46,748 --> 01:42:49,115 I was online in '94. That's when I first got online, 2099 01:42:49,117 --> 01:42:51,250 but it didn't really do anything it was sorta like 2100 01:42:51,252 --> 01:42:53,952 puttin' around and no one knew what was going on. 2101 01:42:53,954 --> 01:42:55,053 You've got mail! 2102 01:42:55,055 --> 01:42:56,220 Everyone I know is on it! 2103 01:42:56,222 --> 01:42:57,254 Email! 2104 01:42:57,256 --> 01:42:59,056 Instant messages! 2105 01:42:59,057 --> 01:43:00,857 There's no better way to keep in touch. 2106 01:43:00,858 --> 01:43:02,658 You've got mail. Now with 56k, connections are faster 2107 01:43:02,661 --> 01:43:03,849 than ever! 2108 01:43:03,850 --> 01:43:05,038 It's fast! 2109 01:43:05,039 --> 01:43:06,227 If you have a phone line, you can go online. 2110 01:43:06,231 --> 01:43:07,964 What will they think of next? 2111 01:43:07,966 --> 01:43:10,700 And the mail was all bullshit, and then slowly 2112 01:43:10,702 --> 01:43:15,103 but but surely it became this interacting monster 2113 01:43:15,105 --> 01:43:16,270 that it is today. 2114 01:43:16,272 --> 01:43:18,839 Anything that you need to know about marijuana, 2115 01:43:18,841 --> 01:43:20,240 you can just go on there and look. 2116 01:43:20,242 --> 01:43:22,942 You can have your mind changed instantly. 2117 01:43:22,944 --> 01:43:25,344 In the old days, when there was twenty hippies 2118 01:43:25,346 --> 01:43:27,813 sitting around trying to legalize marijuana with 2119 01:43:27,815 --> 01:43:29,948 with their little flyers, there was no way to 2120 01:43:29,950 --> 01:43:32,317 fact check any of it. It sounded like a crazy hippie. 2121 01:43:32,319 --> 01:43:34,952 Wait, you're telling me marijuana is safe and it 2122 01:43:34,954 --> 01:43:38,422 helps you with headaches and anxiety and all these 2123 01:43:38,424 --> 01:43:40,957 important medical things that we're taking all these 2124 01:43:40,959 --> 01:43:43,793 pills for? Yeah right, old hippie. 2125 01:43:44,228 --> 01:43:46,761 But nowadays, these hippies are online 2126 01:43:46,763 --> 01:43:49,864 and they have proof and facts and for once 2127 01:43:49,866 --> 01:43:51,832 we're like, 'wow, that's not a crazy hippie, 2128 01:43:51,834 --> 01:43:54,401 that's a smart hippie.' 2129 01:43:54,403 --> 01:43:57,237 You know, I can pick this phone up, and within 10 seconds, 2130 01:43:57,239 --> 01:44:01,974 I can Google any complex question that would've 2131 01:44:01,976 --> 01:44:05,978 required a serious education to answer before. 2132 01:44:05,980 --> 01:44:08,714 It's become so commonplace, that we don't realize 2133 01:44:08,716 --> 01:44:12,684 how fucking completely insane it is! It's a culture- 2134 01:44:12,686 --> 01:44:16,154 changing reality shift. 2135 01:44:16,389 --> 01:44:19,089 People like me, who had to read about things 2136 01:44:19,091 --> 01:44:21,825 in an encyclopedia, and actually go to a library, and take 2137 01:44:21,827 --> 01:44:24,961 out books on things. I'm a fuckin' dinosaur. 2138 01:44:24,963 --> 01:44:28,097 The young kids that are comin' up today-from the jump, 2139 01:44:28,099 --> 01:44:29,698 have had the internet; They don't know 2140 01:44:29,700 --> 01:44:31,966 what the world is like without the internet. 2141 01:44:31,968 --> 01:44:35,069 The internet is beginning to shake things up in politics 2142 01:44:35,071 --> 01:44:39,472 but the old momentum is clinging stubbornly, 2143 01:44:39,474 --> 01:44:42,842 irritatingly and disturbingly. 2144 01:44:42,844 --> 01:44:46,145 With the recent NSA leak, I think that you see 2145 01:44:46,147 --> 01:44:50,149 a very specific example of politicians trying to destroy 2146 01:44:50,151 --> 01:44:52,885 freedom of expression and freedom of speech. 2147 01:44:52,887 --> 01:44:56,054 Collecting data on people and spying on people is a 2148 01:44:56,056 --> 01:44:58,823 form of intimidation. If you know that the government 2149 01:44:58,825 --> 01:45:00,858 is watching what you're doing, and you know that the 2150 01:45:00,860 --> 01:45:03,393 government is monitoring what you are saying and 2151 01:45:03,395 --> 01:45:06,396 what you're advocating for, you are less likely to be 2152 01:45:06,398 --> 01:45:08,498 politically active. You are more likely to be intimidated 2153 01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:12,168 by power. They're using that as a way 2154 01:45:12,170 --> 01:45:14,336 to tell us to shut the fuck up. 2155 01:45:16,106 --> 01:45:19,073 The West fought for 500 years to acquire these basic rights 2156 01:45:19,075 --> 01:45:22,242 and just to hand them away thoughtlessly means 2157 01:45:22,244 --> 01:45:24,110 that we have to fight again for hundreds of years 2158 01:45:24,112 --> 01:45:26,912 just to get them back. It's very hard to acquire basic 2159 01:45:26,914 --> 01:45:29,074 human rights; It's very easy to give them up. 2160 01:45:29,316 --> 01:45:32,483 The establishment is scared to death of the internet 2161 01:45:32,485 --> 01:45:35,085 because that's the one thing they can't control. 2162 01:45:35,087 --> 01:45:37,087 So they've figured out a way to control our politicians 2163 01:45:37,089 --> 01:45:38,855 through donations, they've figured out how to control 2164 01:45:38,857 --> 01:45:41,824 TV through the advertising, but the internet is the wild, 2165 01:45:41,826 --> 01:45:44,993 wild West and they can't grab it. No matter how 2166 01:45:44,995 --> 01:45:47,495 much they try to plug all the holes in, the truth seems 2167 01:45:47,497 --> 01:45:50,164 to get out one way or another anyway. It's basically 2168 01:45:50,166 --> 01:45:53,367 the whole world sharing with one another and the one thing 2169 01:45:53,369 --> 01:45:55,335 that we're sharing, that's really doing them damage, 2170 01:45:55,337 --> 01:45:57,203 is the truth. 2171 01:45:57,838 --> 01:46:01,372 The trend, if you pay attention to it, clearly is 2172 01:46:01,374 --> 01:46:06,843 the dissolving of boundaries between people and ideas 2173 01:46:06,845 --> 01:46:10,947 and information and it's all going to come to a head. 2174 01:46:19,824 --> 01:46:22,424 The first cracks in the monolith of prohibition 2175 01:46:22,426 --> 01:46:25,226 have already happened. Suddenly you have Washington 2176 01:46:25,228 --> 01:46:28,562 and Colorado actually succeeding in passing 2177 01:46:28,564 --> 01:46:30,530 these legalization and regulation ballots 2178 01:46:30,532 --> 01:46:32,498 and becoming the first jurisdictions 2179 01:46:32,500 --> 01:46:34,833 anywhere in the world to do so. 2180 01:46:34,835 --> 01:46:36,901 What's happening in the United States is that the 2181 01:46:36,903 --> 01:46:40,104 entire underpinnings of the War on Drugs are being 2182 01:46:40,106 --> 01:46:43,807 pulled away by the population of the United States itself. 2183 01:46:43,809 --> 01:46:46,009 Washington state and Colorado that make it 2184 01:46:46,011 --> 01:46:47,343 legal-legal, they're like, 2185 01:46:47,345 --> 01:46:50,079 'look, man, it's fuckin' legal here. Period. 2186 01:46:50,081 --> 01:46:51,580 It's not "medically legal" it's legal' 2187 01:46:51,582 --> 01:46:54,449 and the DEA is like, 'woah, you better not!' 2188 01:46:54,451 --> 01:46:56,818 Like, whaddya mean, we'd better not? 2189 01:46:56,820 --> 01:46:59,086 Come on, what is our fucking voting system for 2190 01:46:59,088 --> 01:47:02,456 if a piece of legislation that the people want gets up 2191 01:47:02,458 --> 01:47:05,492 there and you're still going out of your way 2192 01:47:05,494 --> 01:47:07,894 not to recognize it? 2193 01:47:07,895 --> 01:47:10,295 How could you ask people to believe in the process 2194 01:47:10,298 --> 01:47:11,578 if you won't respect the vote? 2195 01:47:12,966 --> 01:47:16,334 You can't ask people to vote- they won't want to. 2196 01:47:16,336 --> 01:47:18,502 That's all that's gonna have to happen to tear it all apart: 2197 01:47:18,504 --> 01:47:20,904 Is more states just saying, 'you know what? 2198 01:47:20,906 --> 01:47:22,505 We're gonna legalize.' 2199 01:47:22,507 --> 01:47:26,842 They become a force that can stand up to the status quo. 2200 01:47:26,844 --> 01:47:31,579 It's then you start to take what is yours 2201 01:47:31,581 --> 01:47:33,314 instead of waiting for the corporations 2202 01:47:33,316 --> 01:47:36,183 and the government to give you what they think you deserve. 2203 01:47:36,185 --> 01:47:39,386 One by one, individual states are defying the federal 2204 01:47:39,388 --> 01:47:42,856 government and responding to the wishes of their 2205 01:47:42,858 --> 01:47:45,491 their own immediate population and changing the state law. 2206 01:47:45,493 --> 01:47:48,026 Once we see that gaining pace in the United States, 2207 01:47:48,028 --> 01:47:50,094 it's gonna gain pace in the whole of the rest of the world 2208 01:47:50,096 --> 01:47:51,829 as well. 2209 01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:53,563 The International Narcotics Control Board has made it clear 2210 01:47:53,566 --> 01:47:56,466 that Washington and Colorado are in breach 2211 01:47:56,468 --> 01:47:58,968 of the UN drug conventions, they're effectively breaking 2212 01:47:58,970 --> 01:48:02,972 international law and that the U.S. is, by dint of what's 2213 01:48:02,974 --> 01:48:05,474 happening in Washington and Colorado, also in breach 2214 01:48:05,476 --> 01:48:07,242 of the UN conventions. 2215 01:48:07,244 --> 01:48:11,378 Given that the UN drug treaties were very much driven 2216 01:48:11,380 --> 01:48:13,046 by the U.S. in the first instance, 2217 01:48:13,048 --> 01:48:15,415 it does put them in this rather odd situation where 2218 01:48:15,417 --> 01:48:19,218 something that they drove the formation of, they are 2219 01:48:19,220 --> 01:48:23,355 now being disciplined and condemned for violating. 2220 01:48:23,357 --> 01:48:26,658 Because how can they impose these appallingly damaging 2221 01:48:26,660 --> 01:48:28,893 laws and conventions across the other countries of 2222 01:48:28,895 --> 01:48:32,129 the planet when they're legal- izing in their own backyard? 2223 01:48:32,131 --> 01:48:34,231 I think it makes it very difficult for the United States 2224 01:48:34,233 --> 01:48:37,968 to try to hold other countries in line. 2225 01:48:37,970 --> 01:48:42,272 They are experimenting with a completely new approach 2226 01:48:42,274 --> 01:48:46,142 and that is for the state to be selling marijuana 2227 01:48:46,144 --> 01:48:48,677 in marijuana shops throughout Uruguay. 2228 01:48:48,679 --> 01:48:52,980 All across Europe, in Australia, and in fact, all over the world, 2229 01:48:52,982 --> 01:48:54,648 the whole house of cards 2230 01:48:54,650 --> 01:48:57,450 is already coming crumbling down. 2231 01:48:58,553 --> 01:49:01,954 I mean even by the time you put this documentary on air, 2232 01:49:01,956 --> 01:49:05,457 I'm sure that there are going to be more states 2233 01:49:05,459 --> 01:49:08,092 that have voted with their feet and changed 2234 01:49:08,094 --> 01:49:09,359 the legal status of cannabis. 2235 01:49:09,361 --> 01:49:11,294 Big step today for those hoping to legalize 2236 01:49:11,296 --> 01:49:14,030 recreational marijuana in Alaska. 2237 01:49:14,032 --> 01:49:16,132 The campaign to regulate marijuana turned in 2238 01:49:16,134 --> 01:49:19,235 more than 45000 signatures to the lieutenant governor. 2239 01:49:19,237 --> 01:49:21,437 I mean it's impossible to keep up right now when it 2240 01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:24,373 comes to research, political development. 2241 01:49:24,375 --> 01:49:28,677 Constant stream of books and documentaries, podcasts 2242 01:49:28,679 --> 01:49:32,213 and blog posts. The information's just overwhelming. 2243 01:49:32,215 --> 01:49:34,648 They just can't stop releasing shit. 2244 01:49:34,650 --> 01:49:37,217 Just like you can't stop making documentaries about it, 2245 01:49:37,219 --> 01:49:39,653 just like I can't stop talking about it on stage 2246 01:49:39,655 --> 01:49:41,187 or on a podcast. 2247 01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:43,389 In ten years from now, 2248 01:49:43,391 --> 01:49:45,341 you're gonna look at this film and be like, 2249 01:49:45,342 --> 01:49:47,292 'that's ridiculous. Remember when they had to make films 2250 01:49:47,294 --> 01:49:49,093 about legalizing marijuana?' 2251 01:49:49,395 --> 01:49:52,062 And it's one of the reasons why the age of information 2252 01:49:52,064 --> 01:49:54,431 that we exist in today is so fuckin' important. 2253 01:49:54,433 --> 01:49:56,232 It's so important because it's never been in the 2254 01:49:56,234 --> 01:49:58,434 hands of the people before and this is what happened: 2255 01:49:58,436 --> 01:50:00,502 In the hands of the people you've seen more progress 2256 01:50:00,504 --> 01:50:01,803 in ten years than we have 2257 01:50:01,805 --> 01:50:04,272 in two fuckin' hundred years before. 2258 01:50:04,274 --> 01:50:06,707 Because it's swarming, all the greedy pigs 2259 01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:08,675 are trying to hold on to it, but it's like standing 2260 01:50:08,677 --> 01:50:10,510 in the middle of the river and trying to catch all the salmon 2261 01:50:10,512 --> 01:50:12,545 with your hands. You're not going to. 2262 01:50:12,547 --> 01:50:15,381 The world is already moving; We're already on it like 2263 01:50:15,383 --> 01:50:17,716 we want it. They doing it in Seattle, Washington. 2264 01:50:17,718 --> 01:50:20,719 Recreational. You know I'm on my way out there 2265 01:50:20,721 --> 01:50:24,622 as soon as I get off this TV screen. Recreational work. 2266 01:50:25,391 --> 01:50:28,392 Establishment figures, they're beginning to get the message; 2267 01:50:28,394 --> 01:50:29,860 They're realizing that it isn't in their interests 2268 01:50:29,862 --> 01:50:32,629 any longer to demonize cannabis. 2269 01:50:32,631 --> 01:50:35,832 It does not make sense, from a prioritization point of view, 2270 01:50:35,834 --> 01:50:39,268 for us to focus on recreational drug users 2271 01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:43,504 in a state that has already said that under state law, 2272 01:50:43,506 --> 01:50:45,373 'that's legal.' 2273 01:50:45,374 --> 01:50:47,241 When you see a broad social change taking place 2274 01:50:47,243 --> 01:50:50,143 in society and you realize that you are behind the curve 2275 01:50:50,145 --> 01:50:51,744 then, you pretty soon get it 2276 01:50:51,746 --> 01:50:53,613 that you have to catch up with the curve. 2277 01:50:53,614 --> 01:50:55,481 It seems like they are falling under the weight of all this. 2278 01:50:55,483 --> 01:50:58,684 They just go where the wind blows 2279 01:50:58,686 --> 01:51:00,719 in order to stay alive. 2280 01:51:00,721 --> 01:51:02,687 I don't think it matters why people jump ship 2281 01:51:02,689 --> 01:51:04,689 as long as they do jump ship. 2282 01:51:04,691 --> 01:51:08,292 In 2009, you wrote a Time Magazine article entitled. 2283 01:51:08,294 --> 01:51:12,329 Why I Would Vote No on Pot. You've changed your mind. 2284 01:51:12,331 --> 01:51:16,466 I have and as part of my thinking recently, 2285 01:51:16,468 --> 01:51:18,601 I've apologized for some of the earlier reporting 2286 01:51:18,603 --> 01:51:22,237 because I think we've been terribly and systematically 2287 01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:24,172 misled in this country for some time 2288 01:51:24,174 --> 01:51:27,542 and I did part of that misleading. 2289 01:51:32,314 --> 01:51:36,249 There's a shift taking place in our culture. 2290 01:51:36,251 --> 01:51:40,753 The issue is once again on the table. Will the forces 2291 01:51:40,755 --> 01:51:45,457 backing marijuana deregulation overplay their hand 2292 01:51:45,459 --> 01:51:50,728 in some way that allows the forces of incarceration 2293 01:51:50,730 --> 01:51:52,563 to get a jump on them? 2294 01:51:54,466 --> 01:51:58,768 The war on marijuana is a symptom of something that 2295 01:51:58,770 --> 01:52:02,471 is fundamentally wrong in this country. We have to 2296 01:52:02,473 --> 01:52:07,208 break out of the fog because the media won't do anything 2297 01:52:07,210 --> 01:52:10,511 no President is gonna come in and change things. 2298 01:52:10,513 --> 01:52:13,747 It comes from the bottom up not from the top down. 2299 01:52:13,749 --> 01:52:15,615 So, you can have minor little victories, 2300 01:52:15,617 --> 01:52:20,318 but that's tinkering. 50 years of documentation says 2301 01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,788 it's not working and what do we do tomorrow? 2302 01:52:24,857 --> 01:52:26,890 The same damn thing. 2303 01:52:27,325 --> 01:52:30,359 The truth is not repeating what everybody around you 2304 01:52:30,361 --> 01:52:33,762 automatically says. It is not repeating what everybody 2305 01:52:33,764 --> 01:52:35,430 is gonna pat you on the head for saying. 2306 01:52:35,865 --> 01:52:37,464 It is looking for the things 2307 01:52:37,466 --> 01:52:40,733 that people will not pat you on the head for saying 2308 01:52:40,735 --> 01:52:42,534 because those are the things that people 2309 01:52:42,536 --> 01:52:46,871 really need to know, and once you are damn convinced 2310 01:52:46,873 --> 01:52:50,608 of something of that sort, then it's your obligation 2311 01:52:50,610 --> 01:52:52,676 to go out on a limb for it. 2312 01:52:53,578 --> 01:52:55,377 That's truth. 2313 01:52:55,746 --> 01:52:58,580 We have to figure out, A, that we are temporary 2314 01:52:58,582 --> 01:53:01,215 and we are the people that have to pass down this 2315 01:53:01,217 --> 01:53:06,352 fucking incredibly fucked up mess to our children 2316 01:53:06,354 --> 01:53:10,822 and unless we operate this world with the idea of sustainability 2317 01:53:10,824 --> 01:53:14,358 for the culture, sustainability for the community, 2318 01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:18,462 sustainability for humanity in general, 2319 01:53:18,464 --> 01:53:20,363 you're gonna have resentment at every turn. 2320 01:53:20,365 --> 01:53:22,765 You have people profiting and people failing 2321 01:53:22,767 --> 01:53:24,366 and people being victimized, 2322 01:53:24,368 --> 01:53:27,869 but the reason why we are so complex 2323 01:53:27,871 --> 01:53:31,739 is also the reason that I think that we have hope. 2324 01:53:35,644 --> 01:53:37,510 Eight years and 2 films later, 2325 01:53:37,512 --> 01:53:42,047 we once again arrive left with more questions than answers. 2326 01:53:42,949 --> 01:53:44,789 Where do we go from here? 2327 01:53:45,651 --> 01:53:48,451 How do we move forward without taking two steps back? 2328 01:53:50,388 --> 01:53:53,522 And, again, sits that ever- lingering question 2329 01:53:53,524 --> 01:53:55,690 that we just can't seem to shake: 2330 01:53:57,927 --> 01:54:00,794 Will marijuana ever fully be legalized? 2331 01:54:00,796 --> 01:54:03,596 Um, probably yes... 2332 01:54:03,598 --> 01:54:06,865 Oh yes, oh yes. I've no doubt about it. 2333 01:54:06,867 --> 01:54:11,535 Marijuana prohibition is a zombie; It is a walking corpse. 2334 01:54:11,537 --> 01:54:17,407 It could be decades, but historically, it's a blip. 2335 01:54:17,409 --> 01:54:20,576 I think marijuana will be fully legalized and taxed 2336 01:54:20,578 --> 01:54:23,946 in my lifetime. Whether we'll ever get Singapore doing it, 2337 01:54:23,948 --> 01:54:25,080 we'll see. 2338 01:54:25,082 --> 01:54:30,451 Globally? I can see Iran doing it, can't you? 2339 01:54:31,487 --> 01:54:34,321 Instead of goin' one city, one state at a time. 2340 01:54:34,323 --> 01:54:35,989 Make that shit legal everywhere 2341 01:54:35,991 --> 01:54:37,924 and pop the top and let's go! 2342 01:54:37,926 --> 01:54:40,493 I think it's just around the corner, but you know, 2343 01:54:40,495 --> 01:54:43,362 I've always thought that! I've been wrong up to now, 2344 01:54:43,364 --> 01:54:45,404 so I'm probably wrong now! I don't know. 2345 01:54:46,733 --> 01:54:54,705 I doubt it seriously. I believe that the forces controlling 2346 01:54:54,707 --> 01:54:58,041 the way things work in the United States will give us 2347 01:54:58,043 --> 01:55:03,746 lots of process before we ever get to total legalization. 2348 01:55:03,748 --> 01:55:06,415 I can die with the satisfaction of knowing 2349 01:55:06,417 --> 01:55:08,817 it's inevitable now. 2350 01:55:08,819 --> 01:55:12,554 They're never gonna get the cat back in that bag again. 2351 01:55:12,556 --> 01:55:18,059 He's out... and what we see now is this culture 2352 01:55:18,061 --> 01:55:21,328 struggling to make an accommodation for this 2353 01:55:21,330 --> 01:55:23,396 new kid on the block. 2354 01:55:23,931 --> 01:55:28,332 There'll come a point when this will probably end 2355 01:55:28,334 --> 01:55:33,069 but if it's not today, then somebody will be locked up 2356 01:55:33,071 --> 01:55:37,872 today, somebody's life will be ruined today 2357 01:55:37,874 --> 01:55:41,475 and that somebody is probably hundreds of people. 2358 01:55:41,477 --> 01:55:46,413 To begin to demonstrate an understanding of humanity 2359 01:55:46,415 --> 01:55:51,350 is so counter to our way of thinking- 2360 01:55:51,352 --> 01:55:55,420 it's throw away the key, let's lock 'em up. 2361 01:55:58,358 --> 01:56:02,659 And you believe it, up until your son or your daughter 2362 01:56:02,661 --> 01:56:08,631 or your friends or yourself gets caught up in the same nightmare 2363 01:56:08,633 --> 01:56:12,033 and then you're going 'oh my God, now I understand, ' 2364 01:56:13,069 --> 01:56:14,701 But do you?208848

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