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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,477 --> 00:00:12,480 My entire life became NXIVM-related. 2 00:00:12,513 --> 00:00:14,382 I was taking so many courses. 3 00:00:14,415 --> 00:00:16,450 [Raniere] It is a vision. It is an understanding. 4 00:00:16,484 --> 00:00:19,120 Our intent is to make a better world. 5 00:00:19,153 --> 00:00:21,122 [cheers and applause] 6 00:00:21,155 --> 00:00:23,591 [menacing electronic music] 7 00:00:23,624 --> 00:00:25,626 He was this great philosopher. 8 00:00:25,659 --> 00:00:28,062 I felt like I will die for Keith. 9 00:00:28,095 --> 00:00:29,296 [woman] Hi. 10 00:00:29,330 --> 00:00:31,065 They said, "Keith... he's a renunciate." 11 00:00:31,098 --> 00:00:33,534 You know, "He's like a monk. He doesn't have sex." 12 00:00:33,567 --> 00:00:36,303 If I had an issue with any one of their rituals, 13 00:00:36,337 --> 00:00:39,106 they accused me of being defiant. 14 00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:41,642 That, to me, was like a... a giant red flag. 15 00:00:41,675 --> 00:00:44,111 People bond through pain. 16 00:00:44,145 --> 00:00:45,413 [India] Allison pulled me aside 17 00:00:45,446 --> 00:00:47,348 and told me about DOS, 18 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:49,817 this secret society of women 19 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:52,720 in which she would be my master and I would be a slave. 20 00:00:52,753 --> 00:00:56,123 It was a lifetime vow of obedience. 21 00:00:56,157 --> 00:00:57,324 Every woman needs this. 22 00:00:57,358 --> 00:00:58,659 [India] Allison said, 23 00:00:58,692 --> 00:01:01,362 "Your assignment is to seduce Keith." 24 00:01:01,395 --> 00:01:04,365 [menacing electronic music] 25 00:01:04,398 --> 00:01:06,233 ♪ ♪ 26 00:01:11,372 --> 00:01:13,841 It's strange to think who lives in these houses now. 27 00:01:15,476 --> 00:01:17,278 I stand out here, and I... 28 00:01:18,245 --> 00:01:21,182 ...just think of, like, the years that I spent here. 29 00:01:23,717 --> 00:01:25,853 Part of me thinks I really wish 30 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:29,190 that I would have taken another path. 31 00:01:29,223 --> 00:01:31,325 Like, I wonder what my life would have been like 32 00:01:31,358 --> 00:01:33,794 if I had just stayed in college... 33 00:01:36,297 --> 00:01:39,667 ...pursued a career, had a boyfriend, 34 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,869 things like that, 35 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:44,271 but then I also... 36 00:01:46,273 --> 00:01:48,309 ...wonder if, like, 37 00:01:48,342 --> 00:01:50,578 in some strange way, I needed to do this, 38 00:01:50,611 --> 00:01:53,881 like maybe I needed to know these things. 39 00:01:54,114 --> 00:01:56,884 [somber music] 40 00:01:57,117 --> 00:01:58,452 ♪ ♪ 41 00:01:58,486 --> 00:02:00,287 Maybe I would have always been very sheltered 42 00:02:00,321 --> 00:02:03,591 from this kind of stuff if I had never experienced it. 43 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:05,292 ♪ ♪ 44 00:02:05,326 --> 00:02:09,163 Maybe it would happen later, or, like, maybe to my daughter. 45 00:02:10,231 --> 00:02:12,700 I don't know. It's hard to say. 46 00:02:12,733 --> 00:02:15,736 Like, maybe things happen for a reason. 47 00:02:15,769 --> 00:02:18,772 ♪ ♪ 48 00:02:34,255 --> 00:02:35,890 In February 2016, 49 00:02:35,923 --> 00:02:39,260 I had been in NXIVM for five years, 50 00:02:39,293 --> 00:02:41,795 and I had been in DOS for a couple months. 51 00:02:42,763 --> 00:02:46,166 I was living in Los Angeles, working as a coach, 52 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,668 but I was going to Albany constantly 53 00:02:47,701 --> 00:02:49,470 to take more classes. 54 00:02:50,271 --> 00:02:52,706 I was in Albany when Allison told me 55 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:54,608 that I had to seduce Keith. 56 00:02:55,709 --> 00:03:00,247 It kind of sh... just put me into a state of shock. 57 00:03:01,315 --> 00:03:02,616 She told me, basically, 58 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:05,619 I would be having some encounter with Keith 59 00:03:05,653 --> 00:03:08,656 where I would feel vulnerable and rejected. 60 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:11,659 She said that pushing past my comfort zone 61 00:03:11,692 --> 00:03:13,861 would make me stronger and more capable 62 00:03:13,894 --> 00:03:16,330 in all areas of my life. 63 00:03:16,363 --> 00:03:19,567 I believed that Keith didn't even have sex, 64 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,736 so I didn't assume that I had to have sex with him. 65 00:03:22,770 --> 00:03:25,873 I didn't think that that was gonna happen then. 66 00:03:25,906 --> 00:03:28,475 I didn't think that was going to happen ever. 67 00:03:30,344 --> 00:03:31,979 [woman] The seduction assignment 68 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:34,515 had different variations. 69 00:03:34,548 --> 00:03:37,484 These women who are already collateralized 70 00:03:37,518 --> 00:03:41,221 were tasked by their masters, 71 00:03:41,255 --> 00:03:45,759 by another woman, with seducing Keith Raniere. 72 00:03:45,793 --> 00:03:48,662 Everyone's assignment wasn't the same, 73 00:03:48,696 --> 00:03:51,498 but the end game was the same: 74 00:03:51,532 --> 00:03:56,236 some sort of sexual contact with Keith Raniere. 75 00:03:57,371 --> 00:03:59,640 [India] Allison told me that I needed to have Keith 76 00:03:59,673 --> 00:04:03,277 take a naked picture of me and send it to her 77 00:04:03,310 --> 00:04:06,847 as proof that the assignment was completed. 78 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,850 [disquieting music] 79 00:04:09,883 --> 00:04:12,886 ♪ ♪ 80 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:22,796 This was Allison Mack's townhouse, 81 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:26,800 and this is where Keith picked me up. 82 00:04:26,834 --> 00:04:28,869 ♪ ♪ 83 00:04:28,902 --> 00:04:33,407 He drove me to the next set of buildings. 84 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,576 It's so close. 85 00:04:35,609 --> 00:04:38,479 We walked in. 86 00:04:38,512 --> 00:04:40,648 I tried to make small talk 87 00:04:40,681 --> 00:04:42,583 to just kind of calm my nerves. 88 00:04:42,616 --> 00:04:43,851 ♪ ♪ 89 00:04:43,884 --> 00:04:46,654 He talked to me about what I wanted 90 00:04:46,687 --> 00:04:48,889 and how he could help me. 91 00:04:48,922 --> 00:04:50,824 ♪ ♪ 92 00:04:50,858 --> 00:04:54,028 I just tried to get the assignment done. 93 00:04:54,061 --> 00:04:55,596 ♪ ♪ 94 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:58,732 I asked him to take a naked picture of me. 95 00:04:58,766 --> 00:05:00,768 I kind of, like, blurted it out nervously. 96 00:05:00,801 --> 00:05:02,302 ♪ ♪ 97 00:05:02,336 --> 00:05:05,939 I remember him standing there and staring at me. 98 00:05:05,973 --> 00:05:08,409 I felt embarrassed and uncomfortable. 99 00:05:08,442 --> 00:05:09,810 ♪ ♪ 100 00:05:09,843 --> 00:05:11,845 I didn't feel like I had a choice. 101 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:13,614 I just wanted to get it over with. 102 00:05:13,647 --> 00:05:15,382 ♪ ♪ 103 00:05:15,416 --> 00:05:16,717 So I took off my clothes, 104 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:18,519 and I sat on the edge of the bed, 105 00:05:18,552 --> 00:05:20,888 and I just sort of leaned back, 106 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:23,390 and he took a picture of me like that 107 00:05:23,424 --> 00:05:24,992 and sent it to Allison. 108 00:05:25,025 --> 00:05:26,627 ♪ ♪ 109 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:29,830 I felt like I was in some kind of altered state. 110 00:05:29,863 --> 00:05:32,566 ♪ ♪ 111 00:05:32,599 --> 00:05:35,035 I did feel like it was weird, 112 00:05:35,069 --> 00:05:38,772 but this was a practice for me to push against my fears. 113 00:05:38,806 --> 00:05:41,575 I thought that this was gonna help me. 114 00:05:41,608 --> 00:05:44,878 Then Keith said that he was Allison's master 115 00:05:44,912 --> 00:05:47,014 and my grandmaster. 116 00:05:47,047 --> 00:05:50,818 And I thought, what the hell does that mean? 117 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:53,821 ♪ ♪ 118 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:56,356 [Cangro] The way that DOS worked was 119 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:58,525 a pyramid structure, basically, 120 00:05:58,559 --> 00:06:01,061 and the person that was actually the puppet master 121 00:06:01,095 --> 00:06:03,864 of this entire thing was Keith Raniere. 122 00:06:03,897 --> 00:06:06,467 Next Saturday, we will have a larger group, 123 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:08,635 and we will start doing enslavement... um, 124 00:06:08,669 --> 00:06:10,838 exercises amongst people. 125 00:06:10,871 --> 00:06:13,373 So any... no more questions? 126 00:06:13,407 --> 00:06:15,442 Shop. 127 00:06:15,476 --> 00:06:17,044 Tomorrow, we need to get together. 128 00:06:17,077 --> 00:06:18,045 Yes. Sure. 129 00:06:18,078 --> 00:06:21,048 [menacing electronic music] 130 00:06:21,081 --> 00:06:23,517 ♪ ♪ 131 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:24,952 [Hassan] Keith Raniere, 132 00:06:24,985 --> 00:06:27,554 like many other destructive cult leaders, 133 00:06:27,588 --> 00:06:31,024 used women as an extension of his needs 134 00:06:31,058 --> 00:06:33,727 for power and control, 135 00:06:33,761 --> 00:06:35,529 and it all comes out of a malignant, 136 00:06:35,562 --> 00:06:37,131 narcissistic self 137 00:06:37,164 --> 00:06:40,467 that's incredibly insecure. 138 00:06:40,501 --> 00:06:43,504 They're acting out their insecurities 139 00:06:43,537 --> 00:06:44,571 on everybody else. 140 00:06:44,605 --> 00:06:46,607 [Allison whispers] 141 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,175 Yes, when do you want to talk? 142 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:50,477 Whenever... 143 00:06:50,511 --> 00:06:52,146 When are you available? 144 00:06:52,179 --> 00:06:53,147 Now. 145 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:55,749 - You're free right now? - I'm free right now. 146 00:06:55,783 --> 00:06:56,884 Right now, what else... when else? 147 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:58,585 I don't have anything else going on tonight. 148 00:06:58,619 --> 00:06:59,853 How late are you up? 149 00:06:59,887 --> 00:07:00,921 As late as I need to be. 150 00:07:02,189 --> 00:07:05,492 Allison told me I would have to stop going back and forth 151 00:07:05,526 --> 00:07:08,028 between LA and Albany. 152 00:07:08,061 --> 00:07:09,730 It wasn't really much of a decision. 153 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:11,932 It was more like a command. 154 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:14,935 ♪ ♪ 155 00:07:14,968 --> 00:07:17,604 [Ross] Keith Raniere's most devoted members 156 00:07:17,638 --> 00:07:20,707 would move to Albany and live near him. 157 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:22,609 That was pivotal in making 158 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:25,579 a really intense commitment to NXIVM. 159 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,149 [Lalich] If you drove through the area of Clifton Park 160 00:07:29,183 --> 00:07:31,985 where Keith and many of his followers lived, 161 00:07:32,019 --> 00:07:33,220 you would think you were in 162 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:35,122 just some nice suburban neighborhood, 163 00:07:35,155 --> 00:07:36,890 but the cult could be right next door. 164 00:07:36,924 --> 00:07:38,492 And that's a form of the control. 165 00:07:38,525 --> 00:07:40,994 If you do something against the rules, 166 00:07:41,028 --> 00:07:42,830 someone has surely seen you, 167 00:07:42,863 --> 00:07:44,498 and they're gonna report on you. 168 00:07:44,531 --> 00:07:46,667 So it sets up a very tight structure 169 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:48,468 for people to be living in. 170 00:07:49,069 --> 00:07:50,604 I remember the day that India told me 171 00:07:50,637 --> 00:07:52,706 she was moving to Albany 172 00:07:52,739 --> 00:07:53,841 like it was yesterday. 173 00:07:53,874 --> 00:07:56,476 She was so excited, it broke my heart. 174 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:59,546 She said Keith was gonna mentor her 175 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:04,051 in this business that he was giving her, and... 176 00:08:04,084 --> 00:08:06,987 everything just felt wrong about it, 177 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:08,755 but she was 24 years old. 178 00:08:08,789 --> 00:08:10,190 There was nothing that I could do to say, 179 00:08:10,224 --> 00:08:11,992 "No, you can't go." 180 00:08:12,025 --> 00:08:14,728 It was all of them on her. 181 00:08:14,761 --> 00:08:16,997 I had zero influence, basically. 182 00:08:18,632 --> 00:08:19,967 She let go of all her furniture. 183 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,568 She let go of her apartment. 184 00:08:21,602 --> 00:08:24,671 It was literally like she was leaving the planet. 185 00:08:24,705 --> 00:08:28,775 I just felt, like, this wellspring of despair. 186 00:08:28,809 --> 00:08:30,143 [melancholy music] 187 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:33,180 I had no idea that the worst was about to happen. 188 00:08:33,213 --> 00:08:35,182 ♪ ♪ 189 00:08:35,215 --> 00:08:38,518 [India] I moved to Clifton Park in the spring of 2016, 190 00:08:38,552 --> 00:08:42,155 and I actually lived with Allison in her townhouse. 191 00:08:42,189 --> 00:08:44,925 I paid her for rent occasionally, 192 00:08:44,958 --> 00:08:47,728 but most of what I did was take care of her home, 193 00:08:47,761 --> 00:08:49,630 kept it clean, cooked for her, 194 00:08:49,663 --> 00:08:51,565 managed anything that she needed. 195 00:08:51,598 --> 00:08:52,966 ♪ ♪ 196 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,904 And I became more integrated into Allison's life 197 00:08:56,937 --> 00:08:59,573 and the community. 198 00:08:59,606 --> 00:09:03,176 My life became very much like her life. 199 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:04,711 ♪ ♪ 200 00:09:04,745 --> 00:09:08,749 It was all about having this rigorous lifestyle. 201 00:09:08,782 --> 00:09:10,284 I was taking classes as a student 202 00:09:10,317 --> 00:09:12,119 and working in others as a coach, 203 00:09:12,152 --> 00:09:13,620 but I hadn't gotten to a rank 204 00:09:13,654 --> 00:09:15,989 where I could be paid for any of the coaching. 205 00:09:16,023 --> 00:09:19,993 Allison kept me very busy with these so-called goals. 206 00:09:20,027 --> 00:09:22,930 I had to be accountable to achieving these goals, 207 00:09:22,963 --> 00:09:25,232 and there were consequences if I didn't. 208 00:09:26,833 --> 00:09:30,037 In the beginning, it was sort of the punishment 209 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:31,738 of disappointing her. 210 00:09:31,772 --> 00:09:34,908 Like, I would forget to say "Good night, master." 211 00:09:34,942 --> 00:09:38,045 She would send me a sad face, 212 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:41,982 and it was like little tiny disapprovals. 213 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:45,652 Later, the punishments got more severe. 214 00:09:45,686 --> 00:09:48,355 I had to do planks, ice cold showers, 215 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:50,624 standing in the snow at 3:00 a.m. 216 00:09:50,657 --> 00:09:53,894 You had to be okay with it. It was part of the program. 217 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:57,698 [shoes squeaking] 218 00:09:57,731 --> 00:09:58,999 This is The Sports Barn, 219 00:09:59,032 --> 00:10:01,201 where Keith and other community members 220 00:10:01,234 --> 00:10:03,971 would play volleyball a couple times a week. 221 00:10:04,004 --> 00:10:06,306 It was, uh, late night volleyball games. 222 00:10:07,274 --> 00:10:10,711 Allison was always pressuring us to show up and watch Keith 223 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:13,180 because there was some kind of competitive nature 224 00:10:13,213 --> 00:10:16,149 between her and the first-line DOS slaves, 225 00:10:16,183 --> 00:10:20,687 and having us be there meant that she was the most devoted, 226 00:10:20,721 --> 00:10:21,722 the most committed. 227 00:10:21,755 --> 00:10:23,924 [onlookers cheering] 228 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:26,960 I wanted Allison and... and Keith to be happy with me, 229 00:10:26,994 --> 00:10:30,831 and so I made it a point to try to come as much as I could. 230 00:10:31,999 --> 00:10:34,267 Keith started paying more attention to me. 231 00:10:35,135 --> 00:10:36,837 It started with us just walking 232 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:38,138 around Clifton Park and talking. 233 00:10:38,171 --> 00:10:41,041 ♪ ♪ 234 00:10:42,976 --> 00:10:44,644 [Vicente] You know, I asked him once, 235 00:10:44,678 --> 00:10:46,079 "How do you come up with some of these things?" 236 00:10:46,113 --> 00:10:47,714 He says, "Yeah, I walk a lot," and I go, "What do you mean?" 237 00:10:47,748 --> 00:10:49,049 He says, "Well, I walk and I walk and I walk. 238 00:10:49,082 --> 00:10:50,384 And I said, "When?" And he says, "I walk at night," 239 00:10:50,417 --> 00:10:52,152 you know, and then I found out recently, 240 00:10:52,185 --> 00:10:53,920 he sometimes walks, like, the whole night, 241 00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:55,889 and he problem-solves, and he thinks and he thinks 242 00:10:55,922 --> 00:10:57,657 and he thinks. 243 00:10:57,691 --> 00:11:00,994 [India] Sometimes he would talk about philosophical concepts. 244 00:11:01,028 --> 00:11:03,697 We would also talk about being dyslexic, 245 00:11:03,730 --> 00:11:05,799 'cause apparently he was dyslexic too. 246 00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:08,135 So we would kind of bond and connect over that. 247 00:11:08,802 --> 00:11:11,671 [Raniere] So what would have been most meaningful, 248 00:11:11,705 --> 00:11:16,009 deep surrendering, focusing, for you? 249 00:11:16,043 --> 00:11:18,979 [India] The seduction assignment was behind me, 250 00:11:19,012 --> 00:11:20,247 and I never thought anything like that 251 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,449 was gonna happen again. 252 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,217 I thought that Keith was gonna mentor me 253 00:11:24,251 --> 00:11:26,253 on building a new business, 254 00:11:26,286 --> 00:11:28,288 so we would walk and talk about that 255 00:11:28,321 --> 00:11:30,891 and achieving my goals and dreams. 256 00:11:30,924 --> 00:11:32,292 [Raniere] Do you know what your strengths are 257 00:11:32,325 --> 00:11:33,960 and what your weaknesses are? 258 00:11:33,994 --> 00:11:36,063 [India] I felt like when I was with him, 259 00:11:36,096 --> 00:11:40,033 all his attention was on me, and that felt really good. 260 00:11:40,067 --> 00:11:42,402 ♪ ♪ 261 00:11:42,436 --> 00:11:45,906 [Ross] Raniere used these walks as a way of controlling 262 00:11:45,939 --> 00:11:47,808 and manipulating the women. 263 00:11:47,841 --> 00:11:49,910 They would confide in him, 264 00:11:49,943 --> 00:11:52,345 and he would pry things out of them. 265 00:11:53,180 --> 00:11:56,083 [India] Keith was like a charismatic friend, 266 00:11:56,116 --> 00:11:58,251 like someone who just listens to you, 267 00:11:58,285 --> 00:12:00,187 and you feel engaged with them, 268 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:02,422 and I felt like I could share anything with him. 269 00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:05,926 He was someone that I really trusted. 270 00:12:11,465 --> 00:12:14,768 Allison instructed me to take a picture in my underwear 271 00:12:14,801 --> 00:12:16,470 and send it to Keith. 272 00:12:17,137 --> 00:12:20,307 He decided that I had to be 106 pounds. 273 00:12:21,408 --> 00:12:24,744 I couldn't remember the last time I weighed 106 pounds. 274 00:12:24,778 --> 00:12:27,147 I thought maybe when I was 12. 275 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:30,350 Allison said I could only eat 276 00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:33,954 500 calories or less per day. 277 00:12:33,987 --> 00:12:36,189 Half a cup, 90 calories. 278 00:12:36,223 --> 00:12:38,191 And then before eating anything, 279 00:12:38,225 --> 00:12:39,960 I had to ask permission, 280 00:12:39,993 --> 00:12:44,030 so, "Master, may I please have 90 calories?" 281 00:12:45,198 --> 00:12:47,400 It was supposed to be a practice in discipline 282 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:49,002 and self-restraint. 283 00:12:49,035 --> 00:12:51,938 My entire day was about how much I could eat, 284 00:12:51,972 --> 00:12:54,474 how little I could eat, how hungry I was. 285 00:12:54,508 --> 00:12:58,845 And I had no time to think about anything else. 286 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:00,981 ...Seven, eight. A hundred calories. 287 00:13:02,883 --> 00:13:05,418 [Hassan] Control of sleep, control of food, 288 00:13:05,452 --> 00:13:08,121 control of access to information. 289 00:13:08,155 --> 00:13:10,257 What is being done to you 290 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:13,193 is actually a mind control regime 291 00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:17,230 to reprogram your beliefs and to foster obedience. 292 00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,534 [India] I was also sleeping very little 293 00:13:20,567 --> 00:13:23,503 and having to exercise on top of it, 294 00:13:23,537 --> 00:13:25,572 and I would always reach out to Allison. 295 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:29,242 I would be like, "Oh, I'm feeling really hungry." 296 00:13:29,276 --> 00:13:30,877 Like, "My stomach hurts," 297 00:13:30,911 --> 00:13:32,312 or "Feeling really tired." 298 00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:34,247 And she would just kind of, like, text, like, 299 00:13:34,281 --> 00:13:37,450 "You said that you were committed to this weight goal. 300 00:13:37,484 --> 00:13:40,187 What is it gonna feel like if you break your word?" 301 00:13:41,488 --> 00:13:43,456 [Kelly] At the time, I didn't know about DOS, 302 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:46,493 but when I was taking some classes in Albany, 303 00:13:46,526 --> 00:13:51,097 I noticed that Allison and many of the women there 304 00:13:51,131 --> 00:13:53,200 were losing weight like crazy, 305 00:13:53,233 --> 00:13:55,535 and they were putting food either on their hand 306 00:13:55,569 --> 00:13:57,938 or on a plate and taking pictures, 307 00:13:57,971 --> 00:13:59,306 and I thought that was really odd, 308 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:01,208 and I said, "Why are you taking pictures of your food?" 309 00:14:01,241 --> 00:14:02,542 "Oh, I just wanna keep track." 310 00:14:02,576 --> 00:14:03,977 [disquieting synth music] 311 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:05,879 [India] It was basically starvation. 312 00:14:05,912 --> 00:14:08,048 We were being deprived of calories 313 00:14:08,081 --> 00:14:09,616 we needed to function. 314 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:13,153 After a few months, my hair started falling out. 315 00:14:13,186 --> 00:14:16,423 I talked to Clare, Nancy, and Allison 316 00:14:16,456 --> 00:14:18,091 because I wasn't getting a period. 317 00:14:18,124 --> 00:14:20,460 They were telling me that similar things 318 00:14:20,493 --> 00:14:21,628 happened to them 319 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:23,530 when they were on diets. 320 00:14:23,563 --> 00:14:25,932 Allison didn't have her period for ten years. 321 00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:27,334 ♪ ♪ 322 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:31,905 I trusted them. They were my authority figures. 323 00:14:31,938 --> 00:14:34,341 Keith wanted to advise and instruct people 324 00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:37,477 to do what he wanted them to do, 325 00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:41,014 but really, it was more about his sexual interest 326 00:14:41,047 --> 00:14:43,917 and his personal desires to have women be thin. 327 00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:46,953 ♪ ♪ 328 00:14:49,089 --> 00:14:52,092 What did DOS even look like to you from the outside? 329 00:14:52,125 --> 00:14:54,127 What did you think was going on? 330 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,630 -Like... -I just remember in Albany, 331 00:14:56,663 --> 00:14:58,231 when I was there in the center, 332 00:14:58,265 --> 00:14:59,432 I could tell you weren't eating. 333 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:01,368 I could see it in your hair, in your face. 334 00:15:01,401 --> 00:15:04,938 As a mom, and my kids being around your age... 335 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:06,906 ...I wanted to call your mom. 336 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,476 I wanted to call some adult in your family 337 00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:14,147 to tell them that- that something wasn't right. 338 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:17,217 I sat down with you, and I'm like, "Are you okay?" 339 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:19,519 And then someone came up. She's like, "She's fine. 340 00:15:19,552 --> 00:15:21,655 She's just fine. She is fine." 341 00:15:21,688 --> 00:15:23,490 -And I was like, "Okay, okay." -Jeez. 342 00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:25,925 I, like, didn't even realize that all of that 343 00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:27,127 was going on around me. 344 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,030 I feel bad for not pushing. 345 00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:33,600 [India] I know. I can... 346 00:15:33,633 --> 00:15:35,302 I mean, I didn't do anything, 347 00:15:35,335 --> 00:15:38,204 but what I didn't do is what I feel bad about. 348 00:15:38,238 --> 00:15:41,341 I wonder if I would've even heard it or listened. 349 00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:43,109 -I just don't know. -Oh, yeah. 350 00:15:43,143 --> 00:15:45,645 I could have made it more of an issue, 351 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,248 although it would have been shut down. 352 00:15:48,281 --> 00:15:50,450 I think I could have, 353 00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:52,118 and I'm sorry I didn't. 354 00:15:52,152 --> 00:15:54,187 I'm sorry. I know. 355 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:55,555 -[India] That's okay. -I know, I know. 356 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:56,690 I know it's not. 357 00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:59,693 [somber music] 358 00:15:59,726 --> 00:16:01,995 ♪ ♪ 359 00:16:02,028 --> 00:16:04,297 [India] I had been living with Allison and in DOS 360 00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:05,699 for several months, 361 00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:09,669 and I thought that this was just me and Allison, 362 00:16:09,703 --> 00:16:14,341 and then she revealed to me that she had other slaves, 363 00:16:14,374 --> 00:16:16,209 and that I would get to meet them. 364 00:16:16,242 --> 00:16:19,713 She described it like they would be my sisters, 365 00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:22,482 like we were in this sorority together. 366 00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:24,017 ♪ ♪ 367 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:26,686 There were three other women in Allison's pod. 368 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,223 Dr. Danielle Roberts was an osteopath. 369 00:16:30,256 --> 00:16:32,025 [Porter] You're, like, the first doctor 370 00:16:32,058 --> 00:16:34,027 that I've enrolled, 371 00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:36,196 and it's like, "Holy moly. And now you're a coach." 372 00:16:36,229 --> 00:16:38,498 [India] She was a coach in NXIVM... 373 00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:40,100 And exhale. 374 00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:42,702 [India] ...and she ran a fitness and health program 375 00:16:42,736 --> 00:16:45,171 that Keith created called Exo/Eso. 376 00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:49,776 Michele was a coach from New York City, 377 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,444 and so was Nicole. 378 00:16:52,212 --> 00:16:54,414 She was pretty new to NXIVM. 379 00:16:54,447 --> 00:16:57,751 I felt instantly bonded to her. 380 00:16:57,784 --> 00:16:59,386 When we were then given permission 381 00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:00,687 to really speak to each other, 382 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,155 it was such a relief, 383 00:17:02,188 --> 00:17:04,624 because it felt like a layer 384 00:17:04,657 --> 00:17:07,527 of the burden of secrecy had been lifted. 385 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,063 Like, I finally felt like I had friends 386 00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:11,331 that I could talk to. 387 00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:14,200 ♪ ♪ 388 00:17:14,234 --> 00:17:15,635 [Mack] There's a magnificence to women 389 00:17:15,668 --> 00:17:17,670 that is totally untapped. 390 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:20,740 It's that essence, that something, 391 00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:22,776 that each woman carries with her 392 00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:25,245 that makes her unique. 393 00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:26,479 [man] There was a... 394 00:17:26,513 --> 00:17:28,515 a pernicious fly in the beginning. 395 00:17:28,548 --> 00:17:29,783 Pernicious lie? Which is... 396 00:17:29,816 --> 00:17:31,584 -[man] No, a fly. -Ah, damn. 397 00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:33,086 Damn, damn. 398 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,356 I was like, "A lie, okay. That's possible, I do that." 399 00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:39,559 [India] Sometimes, Allison would be totally fun 400 00:17:39,592 --> 00:17:41,327 and like, playful, 401 00:17:41,361 --> 00:17:44,197 and then other times, she would be like a viper 402 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:46,065 and just sort of berate you, 403 00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:49,436 and you didn't really know what to expect. 404 00:17:49,469 --> 00:17:52,439 [low electronic music] 405 00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:53,807 ♪ ♪ 406 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,509 [woman] I remember seeing Allison in the community. 407 00:17:56,543 --> 00:17:59,846 She just always seemed so exuberantly happy. 408 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,782 It's almost like she was always on stage, performing. 409 00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:07,854 I'm an actress. That's what I've always done. 410 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,389 Actually, it's more than what I've done. 411 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:11,157 It's who I considered myself to be. 412 00:18:11,191 --> 00:18:13,359 It's what I identified myself as. 413 00:18:13,393 --> 00:18:16,429 [India] I think that Allison was most comfortable 414 00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:18,231 when she had a role. 415 00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:19,833 From the time she was three years old, 416 00:18:19,866 --> 00:18:22,368 she was a working actress. 417 00:18:22,402 --> 00:18:25,371 And I think that Keith probably saw that 418 00:18:25,405 --> 00:18:27,273 and gave her this role... 419 00:18:27,307 --> 00:18:29,509 -[Tabby] Yeah. -...and she flew with it. 420 00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:31,878 How was Allison with you when you were in NXIVM? 421 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:34,681 Allison definitely treated me poorly, 422 00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:36,749 just constant, putting me in my place. 423 00:18:36,783 --> 00:18:38,585 -Like a power play. -[Tabby] Yeah. 424 00:18:38,618 --> 00:18:40,553 She even told me many times 425 00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:43,490 that she actually liked the role of master, 426 00:18:43,523 --> 00:18:45,558 and she... she would transform. 427 00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:47,193 Like, she would take that on, 428 00:18:47,227 --> 00:18:48,828 and she would become a different person. 429 00:18:48,862 --> 00:18:50,396 [woman] Okay, let's go. 430 00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:52,298 Okay. 431 00:18:52,332 --> 00:18:54,801 From my vantage point, in my experience, 432 00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:57,570 Allison seemed to struggle with authenticity, 433 00:18:57,604 --> 00:18:59,405 and I think she completely lost touch 434 00:18:59,439 --> 00:19:02,475 with who she was outside of being a performer, 435 00:19:02,509 --> 00:19:04,410 and Keith took advantage of that. 436 00:19:05,378 --> 00:19:08,748 How far do you allow yourself to go into a character? 437 00:19:08,781 --> 00:19:12,719 And with the worry that, "Oh, my God, that's really me." 438 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,921 Yes, it is really you. 439 00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:16,923 I can't do it. 440 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,225 No, I'm sorry, I can't. I just can't... 441 00:19:19,259 --> 00:19:20,894 [woman] He took probably the most malleable person 442 00:19:20,927 --> 00:19:23,162 to push to very extreme lengths. 443 00:19:23,663 --> 00:19:24,898 She not only made India, 444 00:19:24,931 --> 00:19:27,767 but other women, into commodities for Keith. 445 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,904 [singers vocalizing] 446 00:19:30,937 --> 00:19:34,207 I'm only flesh and blood. 447 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,243 ♪ ♪ 448 00:19:38,811 --> 00:19:41,648 But I can be anything that you demand. 449 00:19:41,681 --> 00:19:44,250 [India] V-Week 2016 450 00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:47,287 was the first V-Week since I had joined DOS, 451 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,757 and you could tell that Allison 452 00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:53,259 really wanted to please Keith. 453 00:19:53,293 --> 00:19:56,296 ♪ ♪ 454 00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:00,533 ♪ More than you'll ever know ♪ 455 00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:02,735 [India] I remember sitting in the audience 456 00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:04,337 and I knew that for her, 457 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:06,472 it was as if she was singing a love letter to him, 458 00:20:06,506 --> 00:20:08,308 but that no one else would know, 459 00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:09,976 and they would think it was just a song. 460 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:12,278 No one within the community 461 00:20:12,312 --> 00:20:13,880 was supposed to know about DOS. 462 00:20:13,913 --> 00:20:16,449 It was a secret. 463 00:20:19,285 --> 00:20:21,588 In the fall of 2016, 464 00:20:21,621 --> 00:20:23,489 Allison took the pod 465 00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:26,826 to the Berkshires in Massachusetts. 466 00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:31,264 It was Danielle Roberts, Michele, Nicole, and myself, 467 00:20:31,297 --> 00:20:33,700 Allison called it a bonding trip. 468 00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:35,868 We would just get to spend time together. 469 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:38,404 We would hang out, we'd take walks, 470 00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:42,842 maybe do a little bit of DOS-related studying. 471 00:20:42,875 --> 00:20:44,611 We actually had a nice day. 472 00:20:44,644 --> 00:20:46,245 [electronic music] 473 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:48,848 After dinner, Allison sat us down 474 00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:51,384 and told us that the trip was not just for fun. 475 00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:54,387 ♪ ♪ 476 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:57,590 Allison instructed us to take 477 00:20:57,624 --> 00:21:00,360 what she referred to as a family picture, 478 00:21:00,393 --> 00:21:03,830 which meant all of us girls standing together fully naked 479 00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:05,565 while Allison took a picture. 480 00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:07,000 ♪ ♪ 481 00:21:07,033 --> 00:21:09,769 Allison then sent the photo to Keith, 482 00:21:09,802 --> 00:21:11,604 and I saw his response. 483 00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:13,840 ♪ ♪ 484 00:21:13,873 --> 00:21:17,010 Nicole saw the text, and she was furious, 485 00:21:17,043 --> 00:21:18,611 and she said to Allison, 486 00:21:18,645 --> 00:21:19,812 "If they're supposed to be for us, 487 00:21:19,846 --> 00:21:21,881 "like, why is Keith even getting these texts, 488 00:21:21,914 --> 00:21:24,751 "and why is he sending a devil face emoji 489 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:26,653 if he's supposed to be so holy?" 490 00:21:26,686 --> 00:21:29,922 She asked Allison if he was getting off on them. 491 00:21:29,956 --> 00:21:32,392 Allison then defended herself, 492 00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:35,828 "How dare you accuse me of something perverted like that? 493 00:21:35,862 --> 00:21:38,498 "He's not getting aroused by these pictures. 494 00:21:38,531 --> 00:21:40,533 "This is your problem and your projection 495 00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:43,002 "that you think that he would actually think 496 00:21:43,036 --> 00:21:44,437 or feel like that." 497 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:46,806 Like, she got totally reprimanded, 498 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:49,842 and myself and the other girls were kind of paralyzed. 499 00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:52,812 Like, we didn't know what to do or how to respond. 500 00:21:52,845 --> 00:21:54,380 ♪ ♪ 501 00:21:54,414 --> 00:21:56,082 Allison was angry, 502 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:58,317 and she said, "As a punishment, 503 00:21:58,351 --> 00:22:00,019 "I'm gonna take up-close pictures 504 00:22:00,053 --> 00:22:01,587 of your pussies." 505 00:22:02,989 --> 00:22:07,060 So I took off all my clothes again and stood in line... 506 00:22:08,528 --> 00:22:10,329 ...and we just went one by one. 507 00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:13,332 ♪ ♪ 508 00:22:13,366 --> 00:22:15,902 And Allison said to Nicole, 509 00:22:15,935 --> 00:22:17,770 "Are you still throwing a fit over this?" 510 00:22:17,804 --> 00:22:19,939 ♪ ♪ 511 00:22:19,972 --> 00:22:24,677 I was really uncomfortable, and I was sort of frozen, 512 00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:27,380 but I just wanted to get it over with, 513 00:22:27,413 --> 00:22:29,849 and I didn't want her to think that I was being defiant, 514 00:22:29,882 --> 00:22:31,651 so I just shut up. 515 00:22:32,985 --> 00:22:35,621 You really don't know how you're gonna behave 516 00:22:35,655 --> 00:22:37,990 or act in a situation like that. 517 00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:40,393 You want to think that you're gonna be brave 518 00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:43,663 and stand up against whatever injustice is going on. 519 00:22:45,098 --> 00:22:47,967 But at the time, I couldn't. 520 00:22:51,771 --> 00:22:54,540 [Lalich] You're living in a world of fear, essentially, 521 00:22:54,574 --> 00:22:57,744 and so it's very difficult to say no 522 00:22:57,777 --> 00:23:00,146 or be any kind of oppositional force. 523 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:02,849 If you're doubting or you're standing up, 524 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:05,585 it just shows how much more discipline you need. 525 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:10,757 [India] We were instructed by Allison 526 00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:12,625 to give monthly collateral, 527 00:23:12,658 --> 00:23:14,861 and if we missed the deadline, 528 00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:16,496 we would have consequences. 529 00:23:16,529 --> 00:23:17,864 ♪ ♪ 530 00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:20,433 There came a point where we didn't even know 531 00:23:20,466 --> 00:23:22,635 what to submit as collateral anymore, 532 00:23:22,668 --> 00:23:23,870 so Allison 533 00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:25,872 or the higher-ranking members of DOS 534 00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:28,674 would just tell us to just make shit up and send it. 535 00:23:29,542 --> 00:23:32,745 For instance, you might have to make a video 536 00:23:32,779 --> 00:23:35,648 accusing your father of molesting you, 537 00:23:35,681 --> 00:23:37,483 even if it wasn't real. 538 00:23:38,184 --> 00:23:40,419 It was often worse, 539 00:23:40,453 --> 00:23:42,755 because it could be even more damaging 540 00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:45,124 than the things that you said that were real. 541 00:23:46,058 --> 00:23:49,428 So a lot of us started to just send 542 00:23:49,462 --> 00:23:50,797 more and more explicit photographs 543 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:53,933 because the burden kind of fell on you. 544 00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:56,202 It didn't compromise anyone else. 545 00:23:56,969 --> 00:23:58,938 [Lalich] Turning over this collateral... 546 00:23:58,971 --> 00:24:00,840 well, that would make it really hard to leave 547 00:24:00,873 --> 00:24:02,141 or really hard to say no. 548 00:24:02,175 --> 00:24:04,510 Collateral was demanded, 549 00:24:04,544 --> 00:24:06,445 and it was held over people's heads. 550 00:24:06,479 --> 00:24:09,582 So it was an absolute threat that people lived under. 551 00:24:09,615 --> 00:24:11,584 It was purely a blackmail situation. 552 00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:13,786 I mean, you can hardly call that free will. 553 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,089 [India] It was like the compounded amount 554 00:24:17,123 --> 00:24:19,058 of collateral that you were giving 555 00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:21,627 and had behind you. 556 00:24:21,661 --> 00:24:22,762 It was the credit card, the photos, 557 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:23,996 the videos, the recordings, 558 00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:27,633 the demeaning messages about your loved ones. 559 00:24:27,667 --> 00:24:30,236 It was everything that was always with you, 560 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:33,840 I feel, like, on top of me all the time. 561 00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:35,474 Of course you're not gonna do anything wrong. 562 00:24:35,508 --> 00:24:38,845 Of course you're not gonna want to mess up anything. 563 00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:45,017 I would get random texts from Keith 564 00:24:45,051 --> 00:24:46,819 all hours of the day. 565 00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:51,891 He started to demand explicit photographs, 566 00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:55,895 mostly up-close pictures of my vagina. 567 00:24:55,928 --> 00:24:58,865 [uneasy music] 568 00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:00,533 The first time this happened, 569 00:25:00,566 --> 00:25:02,835 I said to him, "Well, I'm in the car," and he said, 570 00:25:02,869 --> 00:25:04,670 "Well, find a place to pull over. 571 00:25:04,704 --> 00:25:05,805 Do it now." 572 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:07,907 If the picture wasn't explicit 573 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:09,675 or close up enough, 574 00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:11,177 or I didn't look happy, 575 00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:13,713 he would make me do it over again 576 00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:15,715 until he said it was good enough. 577 00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:18,184 ♪ ♪ 578 00:25:18,217 --> 00:25:20,052 I was very uncomfortable with the fact 579 00:25:20,086 --> 00:25:23,823 that he was asking me for these explicit photographs, 580 00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:27,760 but Keith told me that sending these pictures was a practice 581 00:25:27,793 --> 00:25:30,963 in pushing myself out of my comfort zone. 582 00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:35,234 So if you're comfortable, you're not pushing. 583 00:25:35,268 --> 00:25:37,970 So if you're uncomfortable, maybe you're doing it right. 584 00:25:42,141 --> 00:25:44,677 [Lalich] Even though this is incomprehensible to us 585 00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:45,811 on the outside, 586 00:25:45,845 --> 00:25:48,848 we have to remember that these women 587 00:25:48,881 --> 00:25:51,250 were in a very closed reality, 588 00:25:51,284 --> 00:25:53,986 and everything around them, 589 00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:57,790 every input, was reinforcing this one belief: 590 00:25:57,823 --> 00:25:59,725 do everything to make Keith happy. 591 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,328 So even doing something shocking, 592 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,230 like taking a photo 593 00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:06,632 of your vagina to send to him... 594 00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:08,567 they truly believed at that point 595 00:26:08,601 --> 00:26:10,336 that that was the right thing to do. 596 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:13,339 You were conquering, you know, one of your greatest fears. 597 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,574 Right? This was making you 598 00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:16,943 a better, stronger person. 599 00:26:16,976 --> 00:26:18,678 [Catherine] When she was living in Albany, 600 00:26:18,711 --> 00:26:20,579 she became more distant. 601 00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:21,914 If I tried to pin her down 602 00:26:21,948 --> 00:26:23,182 about what she was doing, 603 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,984 seemed a bit vague, 604 00:26:25,017 --> 00:26:28,054 but maybe I didn't want to admit to myself 605 00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:30,756 how much she was drifting away. 606 00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:33,926 I'd been to Albany, and I had seen 607 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,595 that there was this group of women, 608 00:26:36,629 --> 00:26:39,198 women who were in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 609 00:26:39,231 --> 00:26:41,600 who had given up everything in their lives 610 00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:44,103 to serve Keith and the organization, 611 00:26:44,136 --> 00:26:46,105 and I would... 612 00:26:46,138 --> 00:26:48,074 I just couldn't wrap my head around that this 613 00:26:48,107 --> 00:26:50,009 was gonna be my daughter's future. 614 00:26:50,943 --> 00:26:54,780 I felt sometimes like my mom was judging or prying. 615 00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:59,652 It was easier for me to just ignore her 616 00:26:59,685 --> 00:27:02,788 than to actually have to discuss 617 00:27:02,822 --> 00:27:04,724 what was going on for me in Albany. 618 00:27:04,757 --> 00:27:06,892 [desolate music] 619 00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:10,029 Allison told me that I should ask Keith 620 00:27:10,062 --> 00:27:12,698 to work on what she called 621 00:27:12,732 --> 00:27:16,035 my problems with sex. 622 00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:18,871 I didn't think I had any problems with sex, 623 00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:22,108 but saying no to her was not an option. 624 00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:25,144 It's hard to put myself back there 625 00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:27,146 where I would just say yes to that, 626 00:27:27,179 --> 00:27:29,015 but I believed 627 00:27:29,048 --> 00:27:32,118 that the things that they were having me do 628 00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:34,987 were, at their core, good. 629 00:27:35,021 --> 00:27:38,224 Everything. I didn't question it. 630 00:27:38,257 --> 00:27:41,227 ♪ ♪ 631 00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:43,996 And if Keith was going to initiate 632 00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:46,132 that kind of relationship with me, 633 00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:48,134 I knew that I had to participate. 634 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:51,170 ♪ ♪ 635 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:59,011 That's the... that's the library. 636 00:27:59,045 --> 00:28:01,981 The library was one of Keith's many townhouses 637 00:28:02,014 --> 00:28:03,282 in Clifton Park. 638 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,051 It was sort of his office. 639 00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,954 Keith told me he would meet me there 640 00:28:08,988 --> 00:28:10,890 at some point in the evening. 641 00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:14,160 He instructed me to remove all my clothes, 642 00:28:14,193 --> 00:28:18,731 and I was just sort of lying up there in this loft, 643 00:28:18,764 --> 00:28:20,800 just waiting. 644 00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:22,401 He asked me a few questions 645 00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:25,104 about certain sexual experiences 646 00:28:25,137 --> 00:28:28,107 that I had had, 647 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:30,876 and then he began 648 00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:33,813 to what he referred to as working on me, 649 00:28:33,846 --> 00:28:36,849 which was him performing oral sex, 650 00:28:36,882 --> 00:28:40,486 which felt like hours, 651 00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:43,089 and I just sort of lied there. 652 00:28:43,122 --> 00:28:45,257 Didn't feel good. 653 00:28:45,291 --> 00:28:47,960 I actually felt kind of paralyzed. 654 00:28:47,993 --> 00:28:49,762 ♪ ♪ 655 00:28:49,795 --> 00:28:53,933 And there was a lot of fear about what might happen next, 656 00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:55,501 and then it... it was over. 657 00:28:57,403 --> 00:29:00,940 And I remember even, like, reaching my leg 658 00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:02,341 a little bit down 659 00:29:02,374 --> 00:29:05,044 so I could see if he was maybe aroused, 660 00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:06,779 and he wasn't, 661 00:29:06,812 --> 00:29:08,481 which in a way was kind of reassuring, 662 00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:10,149 because it made me think, 663 00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:13,285 "Oh, maybe he is just doing this for me and my own benefit, 664 00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:16,122 and he's not getting anything out of it sexually." 665 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:19,358 That's what made it all the more confusing. 666 00:29:23,963 --> 00:29:25,865 It continued for a year. 667 00:29:27,199 --> 00:29:28,467 I didn't know that he was doing 668 00:29:28,501 --> 00:29:31,070 these same things to other women. 669 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:32,304 I had no idea. 670 00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:34,507 [somber music] 671 00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:37,910 He was just really good at having people keep his secrets. 672 00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:40,946 ♪ ♪ 673 00:29:42,915 --> 00:29:44,984 Later, I found out that he was doing 674 00:29:45,017 --> 00:29:48,187 even more disgusting, demeaning sexual acts 675 00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:50,156 to other women in DOS 676 00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:52,391 and was threatening to release their collateral 677 00:29:52,424 --> 00:29:54,093 if they said anything. 678 00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:55,961 ♪ ♪ 679 00:29:55,995 --> 00:30:00,266 I definitely lost myself for a little while, like, 680 00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:04,003 believing that what we were doing was good for me. 681 00:30:04,036 --> 00:30:07,039 ♪ ♪ 682 00:30:08,941 --> 00:30:11,076 My experiences with Keith... 683 00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:13,012 they didn't feel good, ever. 684 00:30:13,045 --> 00:30:14,980 Really weren't sexual. They were manipulative. 685 00:30:15,014 --> 00:30:16,582 [India] No, they felt, like, clinical, 686 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:19,385 like I was going to the doctor or something, 687 00:30:19,418 --> 00:30:22,054 but I wasn't getting "better." [laughs] 688 00:30:22,087 --> 00:30:25,090 Like, I kept thinking, "Why do I still feel so awful? 689 00:30:25,124 --> 00:30:26,959 Like, why does this hurt?" 690 00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:28,894 Or "Why am I not getting anywhere 691 00:30:28,928 --> 00:30:32,064 with your teachings or with your techniques on me?" 692 00:30:32,097 --> 00:30:35,000 I thought that I was pretty screwed up. 693 00:30:35,534 --> 00:30:40,105 And I would say to him, "Hey, whenever you go down on me, 694 00:30:40,139 --> 00:30:44,109 I get this massive ball of, like, pain in my chest," 695 00:30:44,143 --> 00:30:47,546 which kind of felt like... like this hot, 696 00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:50,216 like, shaky thing right here, 697 00:30:50,249 --> 00:30:53,252 and I asked him, 698 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,987 "Can you help me get rid of that?" 699 00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:58,257 And he said, "No, that's your problem." 700 00:30:58,290 --> 00:31:00,426 And I thought... 701 00:31:00,459 --> 00:31:03,262 "Fuck, like, what do I do with this? 702 00:31:03,295 --> 00:31:05,130 How do I... how do I get rid of this?" 703 00:31:05,164 --> 00:31:07,299 And I actually thought maybe I would be like that forever, 704 00:31:07,333 --> 00:31:11,470 maybe I would never be able to enjoy sex or pleasure 705 00:31:11,503 --> 00:31:13,105 or my body. 706 00:31:13,138 --> 00:31:14,173 [Wise] All of this is 707 00:31:14,206 --> 00:31:16,175 psychological and physical rape, 708 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:17,576 in that case with the tongue. 709 00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:19,612 [India] Is that a... is that a term, 710 00:31:19,645 --> 00:31:20,646 psychological rape? 711 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,114 [Wise] Yeah. 712 00:31:22,147 --> 00:31:24,950 Everybody in cults are psychologically raped, 713 00:31:24,984 --> 00:31:28,520 and there's no consensual sex, however you want to define it, 714 00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:30,222 in a cult. 715 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:33,959 So what do you think the sensations in the chest 716 00:31:33,993 --> 00:31:35,995 at that time were trying to tell you? 717 00:31:36,028 --> 00:31:37,496 [mournful electronic music] 718 00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:40,032 [laughs weakly] 719 00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:43,235 Now it makes me feel sad, because I think that it was 720 00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:46,472 more, like, my own warning system 721 00:31:46,505 --> 00:31:48,574 that I was just ignoring. 722 00:31:48,607 --> 00:31:51,343 ♪ ♪ 723 00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,379 [Raniere] Uh-oh. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 724 00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:54,413 What do you think you're doing? 725 00:31:54,446 --> 00:31:55,614 [man] Rotate that one set? 726 00:31:55,648 --> 00:31:57,516 Oh, the lights. Yes, lights are fine. 727 00:31:57,549 --> 00:31:59,518 [India] One of the things that we were told 728 00:31:59,551 --> 00:32:02,187 was that Keith was celibate, 729 00:32:02,221 --> 00:32:03,555 but really, he was sleeping 730 00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:05,658 with all the women in his inner circle. 731 00:32:07,026 --> 00:32:09,228 [Lalich] Controlling someone sexually 732 00:32:09,261 --> 00:32:10,629 is the most intimate way 733 00:32:10,663 --> 00:32:12,965 you can have influence over someone. 734 00:32:12,998 --> 00:32:14,500 People are vulnerable at that point. 735 00:32:14,533 --> 00:32:16,135 They're giving themselves over. 736 00:32:16,168 --> 00:32:17,636 They may think they're in love. 737 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:19,305 Even if they know there are other partners, 738 00:32:19,338 --> 00:32:20,639 it doesn't matter. You're... 739 00:32:20,673 --> 00:32:22,941 you know, you're... you're having sex with God. 740 00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:24,276 My goodness. 741 00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:25,644 [India] Keith had this agreement 742 00:32:25,678 --> 00:32:28,080 with all of his slaves that they knew 743 00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:30,115 that they were gonna be monogamous with him, 744 00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:32,551 but he was polyamorous. 745 00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:36,989 [Ross] Keith Raniere could never get enough. 746 00:32:37,022 --> 00:32:38,691 He could never get enough women. 747 00:32:38,724 --> 00:32:41,193 He could never have enough sex. 748 00:32:41,226 --> 00:32:43,529 A woman could never submit to him enough. 749 00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:47,099 He wanted to see how far he could push it, 750 00:32:47,132 --> 00:32:50,069 and that led to another escalation 751 00:32:50,102 --> 00:32:52,271 in his torture of women. 752 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:55,307 [eerie music] 753 00:32:55,541 --> 00:32:57,209 [India] No matter what rank, 754 00:32:57,242 --> 00:33:00,279 no woman was immune from punishment. 755 00:33:00,312 --> 00:33:02,281 It was part of the program. 756 00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:05,017 I was forced to watch Dani Padilla, 757 00:33:05,050 --> 00:33:06,585 a first-line DOS slave, 758 00:33:06,618 --> 00:33:09,021 be paddled by Allison. 759 00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:10,556 They asked me to film it 760 00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:13,225 so that they could have a witness. 761 00:33:13,258 --> 00:33:15,761 It was actually Allison's penance 762 00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:17,763 because she had failed on her diet. 763 00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,365 She had to paddle Dani. 764 00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:20,999 ♪ ♪ 765 00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:24,703 I remember just standing there... 766 00:33:24,737 --> 00:33:26,271 sort of frozen. 767 00:33:26,305 --> 00:33:28,040 ♪ ♪ 768 00:33:28,073 --> 00:33:29,675 I knew after seeing that 769 00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:31,677 I never wanted that to happen to me. 770 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:33,245 ♪ ♪ 771 00:33:33,278 --> 00:33:34,680 [Cangro] These first-line slaves 772 00:33:34,713 --> 00:33:36,181 that were directly under Raniere 773 00:33:36,215 --> 00:33:39,218 had to hit each other with these paddles. 774 00:33:39,785 --> 00:33:41,620 Raniere would sometimes be there, 775 00:33:41,653 --> 00:33:43,555 or he would get images 776 00:33:43,589 --> 00:33:45,724 or videos of them doing this. 777 00:33:46,392 --> 00:33:48,660 [Penza] There are people who engage in this sort 778 00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:51,663 of extreme sexual behavior, 779 00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:54,299 but you have to take into account 780 00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:55,701 the importance of consent. 781 00:33:55,734 --> 00:33:58,337 In DOS, there was no safe word. 782 00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:59,538 You had your collateral. 783 00:33:59,571 --> 00:34:02,074 There was no way out of the situation. 784 00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:05,511 [India] Dani Padilla was the first slave 785 00:34:05,544 --> 00:34:09,081 Keith actually started to experiment with. 786 00:34:09,114 --> 00:34:10,449 It later came out 787 00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:12,317 that she had ordered these things online. 788 00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:14,153 ♪ ♪ 789 00:34:14,186 --> 00:34:15,521 Thigh sling wrist cuffs, 790 00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:19,091 a remote shock puppy trainer. 791 00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:22,394 Heavy-duty steel bar suspension kit. 792 00:34:22,428 --> 00:34:25,164 [Cangro] Keith was at the top of all of this, 793 00:34:25,197 --> 00:34:27,599 forcing punishments through torture 794 00:34:27,633 --> 00:34:29,468 and also physical abuse. 795 00:34:29,501 --> 00:34:33,238 He had one of these women purchase BDSM items 796 00:34:33,272 --> 00:34:35,774 like a dungeon, an actual cage, 797 00:34:35,808 --> 00:34:40,112 and women were encouraged to put their slaves in there 798 00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:43,248 for however long they wanted to punish them for. 799 00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:48,754 None of us consented to this type of thing, 800 00:34:48,787 --> 00:34:50,689 especially with Keith. 801 00:34:50,722 --> 00:34:53,358 I thought that everything that we were doing 802 00:34:53,392 --> 00:34:56,862 related to vulnerability or related to submission, 803 00:34:57,095 --> 00:35:01,433 related to our personal growth, was for us, 804 00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:04,336 but really it was all just tools 805 00:35:04,369 --> 00:35:06,705 to prepare us for something like this. 806 00:35:10,843 --> 00:35:12,578 [Lalich] When you're in a cult, 807 00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:14,313 you're in a social system 808 00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:17,115 that, over time, closes in on you. 809 00:35:17,149 --> 00:35:20,319 You essentially internalize the cult. 810 00:35:20,352 --> 00:35:22,454 You get to the point that you yourself 811 00:35:22,488 --> 00:35:26,692 become kind of a microcosm of that self-sealing system. 812 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,861 You can basically function on your own 813 00:35:28,894 --> 00:35:31,697 without the cult having to tell you anything to do. 814 00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:33,432 You chastise yourself. 815 00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:35,434 You don't need anyone else there to criticize you. 816 00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:37,269 You're holding yourself accountable 817 00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:39,171 because you have internalized all this. 818 00:35:39,872 --> 00:35:43,342 [India] Allison had this band that she would wear 819 00:35:43,375 --> 00:35:44,710 to punish herself. 820 00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:47,145 It's called a cilice. 821 00:35:47,179 --> 00:35:49,848 It's these tiny needle-type things 822 00:35:49,882 --> 00:35:52,417 that you can strap to your body, 823 00:35:52,451 --> 00:35:56,421 and it's very itchy and painful and sharp, 824 00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:57,789 and she would wear that 825 00:35:57,823 --> 00:36:00,392 when she felt like she needed to be punished. 826 00:36:00,425 --> 00:36:03,228 ♪ ♪ 827 00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:05,597 [Cangro] One of the most extreme examples 828 00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:07,432 of Keith's cruel punishment 829 00:36:07,466 --> 00:36:10,869 is what happened to a young woman in NXIVM named Daniela. 830 00:36:10,903 --> 00:36:13,405 Her entire family 831 00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:16,942 all moved to the Albany area from Mexico 832 00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,778 and became deeply involved within NXIVM. 833 00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:23,849 Keith coerced Daniela into a sexual relationship 834 00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:26,585 in 2010, when Daniela had expressed 835 00:36:26,618 --> 00:36:29,388 a crush for someone that wasn't Keith Raniere. 836 00:36:29,421 --> 00:36:30,889 Keith told Daniela 837 00:36:30,923 --> 00:36:32,524 that she had to remain confined 838 00:36:32,558 --> 00:36:36,595 inside of a townhouse until she made amends. 839 00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:38,697 Lauren Salzman, Nancy's daughter, 840 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:40,866 was in charge of monitoring Daniela 841 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,235 and enforcing that confinement. 842 00:36:43,268 --> 00:36:46,371 Food was even left outside of the door for her. 843 00:36:46,405 --> 00:36:50,242 Daniela was inside that room for almost two years. 844 00:36:51,677 --> 00:36:54,279 [India] I've been in this house many times, because... 845 00:36:54,313 --> 00:36:55,614 -[Cangro] Have you really? -Yeah. 846 00:36:55,647 --> 00:36:56,782 I realized the other day 847 00:36:56,815 --> 00:37:00,352 that when I was in Albany in January 2012, 848 00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:04,790 she was still captive in this townhouse. 849 00:37:05,624 --> 00:37:06,992 I had no idea. 850 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,395 It was like she didn't exist. 851 00:37:10,429 --> 00:37:13,398 [ominous electronic music] 852 00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:15,534 [woman's voice] I can understand the ethics 853 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:17,769 of the consequences. 854 00:37:17,803 --> 00:37:21,440 They need to exist because it is right. 855 00:37:21,473 --> 00:37:23,241 But the cost is so high. 856 00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:27,346 I feel panic. I feel horror. 857 00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:28,947 I can't even think straight. 858 00:37:28,981 --> 00:37:31,016 ♪ ♪ 859 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:33,685 I feel dread. 860 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,021 I really feel like I'm in a nightmare. 861 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:38,423 ♪ ♪ 862 00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:40,959 I can relate to a lot of her confusion and her pain, 863 00:37:40,993 --> 00:37:45,797 because I go back and I look at my old journals or notes, 864 00:37:45,831 --> 00:37:49,368 and they're totally, like, scattered and deranged 865 00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,670 and a lot of self-hatred, 866 00:37:51,703 --> 00:37:53,972 like, "I'm doing this wrong. 867 00:37:54,006 --> 00:37:55,907 "I'm doing this wrong. I need to fix this in myself. 868 00:37:55,941 --> 00:37:57,576 "I need to be better for Allison. 869 00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:58,910 I need to be better for Keith." 870 00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:03,582 Like, all of this sort of constant... just spinning, 871 00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:07,853 this just over-consuming guilt of basically nothing 872 00:38:07,886 --> 00:38:09,621 And thinking... yeah, and thinking 873 00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:11,490 you actually really did something wrong. 874 00:38:11,523 --> 00:38:12,591 And that you deserve this. 875 00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:14,426 ♪ ♪ 876 00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:17,663 [Lalich] So Daniela was in this room for two years, 877 00:38:17,696 --> 00:38:19,931 but the room had no lock on the door. 878 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,433 Why would she stay in the room? 879 00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:23,869 Why didn't she just get up and walk out? 880 00:38:23,902 --> 00:38:26,905 And I think this is where we see the power 881 00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:30,409 of the whole system of controls and influences 882 00:38:30,442 --> 00:38:31,910 that get a person to the point 883 00:38:31,943 --> 00:38:35,514 where they believe that that's the right thing to do. 884 00:38:35,547 --> 00:38:37,983 And they believe that if they go against that, 885 00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:40,519 the world is gonna come crashing down. 886 00:38:40,552 --> 00:38:43,755 I mean, it really is... for that person, 887 00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:45,757 it's a life-and-death situation. 888 00:38:45,791 --> 00:38:48,326 [India] What do you know about what it took 889 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,429 for Daniela to leave here? 890 00:38:50,462 --> 00:38:53,031 Basically, she was taken to the Mexican border 891 00:38:53,065 --> 00:38:55,434 without her paperwork, 892 00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:58,537 and she was kind of just let off. 893 00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:01,640 -No identification, no money? -No identification, no money. 894 00:39:04,543 --> 00:39:06,745 So cruel. 895 00:39:06,778 --> 00:39:09,047 [Ross] People that understand sex criminals, 896 00:39:09,081 --> 00:39:13,518 pedophiles, rapists, know that it's not about sex. 897 00:39:13,552 --> 00:39:15,520 It's about power and control. 898 00:39:16,121 --> 00:39:19,624 [woman] I met Keith Raniere around 1990, 899 00:39:19,658 --> 00:39:21,026 when I was about 12 years old. 900 00:39:21,059 --> 00:39:22,894 My mother became involved with a company he ran 901 00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:25,464 called Consumer Buyline. 902 00:39:25,497 --> 00:39:26,798 During that time, I got to know Keith. 903 00:39:26,832 --> 00:39:30,402 He offered to tutor me in algebra and Latin. 904 00:39:30,435 --> 00:39:32,938 Shortly after the tutoring started, 905 00:39:32,971 --> 00:39:34,706 a sexual relationship 906 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:37,943 began between Keith and myself at the age of 12. 907 00:39:38,844 --> 00:39:40,712 It happened mostly in his office, 908 00:39:40,746 --> 00:39:42,848 at Rome Plaza, in the elevator, 909 00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:45,584 and also at the house at 3 Flintlock Lane. 910 00:39:45,617 --> 00:39:48,587 [uneasy music] 911 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,789 ♪ ♪ 912 00:39:50,822 --> 00:39:53,759 The thing, for example, with sexual abuse. 913 00:39:53,792 --> 00:39:56,795 In some states, it's their... their ages. 914 00:39:56,828 --> 00:39:59,664 There's the age of consent. Some states, it's 17. 915 00:39:59,698 --> 00:40:01,133 Some parts of the world, it's 12. 916 00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:02,968 Some parts of the world. That's right. 917 00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:05,670 So what's abuse in one area is not abuse in another. 918 00:40:05,704 --> 00:40:07,139 But what is it, really? 919 00:40:07,172 --> 00:40:09,808 Abuse is, does the person... 920 00:40:09,841 --> 00:40:11,109 is the person a child, 921 00:40:11,143 --> 00:40:13,478 or is the person adult-like? 922 00:40:13,512 --> 00:40:15,647 Some little children are perfectly happy with it. 923 00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:20,085 [Cangro] Daniela, who was kept in a room for two years, 924 00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:22,420 says she was sexually abused by Keith, 925 00:40:22,454 --> 00:40:24,589 and so were her two sisters. 926 00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:28,760 All three of them became impregnated by Keith Raniere 927 00:40:28,794 --> 00:40:31,530 and were encouraged to get abortions. 928 00:40:31,563 --> 00:40:32,898 Let's talk about really gross things 929 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:35,667 like raping children, raping a baby. 930 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:36,935 Can you imagine what it would be like 931 00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:38,036 if you were just a primitive, 932 00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:40,605 someone who just was of the body? 933 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:41,773 It's not a baby. It's just something 934 00:40:41,807 --> 00:40:43,008 that feels good. 935 00:40:43,041 --> 00:40:44,843 What if it was just a lump of flesh? 936 00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:46,645 I'm gonna be really crude, but... 937 00:40:46,678 --> 00:40:49,047 "Oh, feels good to stick my dick in a steak." 938 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,115 [growls] 939 00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:51,650 "Oh, yeah. Here's another flesh. 940 00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:54,052 Oh, it's a baby." That's what it's like. 941 00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:57,022 [Cangro] We don't know the full scale 942 00:40:57,055 --> 00:40:59,991 of how many victims there could be out there. 943 00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:02,761 You look back, and you see all of these cases, 944 00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:06,464 and you see that there have been media reports 945 00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:09,568 on all of these things, and nothing was done. 946 00:41:10,101 --> 00:41:13,672 And a big reason was because NXIVM had a lot of money, 947 00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:15,707 primarily from the Bronfmans. 948 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:17,676 The Brockmans made political contributions 949 00:41:17,709 --> 00:41:19,477 to local elected officials, 950 00:41:19,511 --> 00:41:21,713 and they also had a robust legal team. 951 00:41:21,746 --> 00:41:22,948 All of that made people 952 00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:25,951 reluctant to speak out against NXIVM. 953 00:41:25,984 --> 00:41:28,720 [Ross] They spent millions and millions of dollars 954 00:41:28,753 --> 00:41:29,955 on litigation, 955 00:41:29,988 --> 00:41:33,158 private investigators, and surveillance. 956 00:41:33,191 --> 00:41:35,160 [woman] When you have money and you have power 957 00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:36,761 and you have resources, 958 00:41:36,795 --> 00:41:39,064 it's very easy to delay justice, 959 00:41:39,097 --> 00:41:41,032 and I think that's what happened here. 960 00:41:41,066 --> 00:41:44,903 You had a litigious target who was willing to fight back 961 00:41:44,936 --> 00:41:46,972 and spend money to do so and lawyer up 962 00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:48,206 and do all the things you can do 963 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,141 to keep the situation under control. 964 00:41:50,175 --> 00:41:52,544 I mean, you see the same thing with other powerful defendants: 965 00:41:52,577 --> 00:41:54,079 Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein. 966 00:41:54,112 --> 00:41:55,947 It took decades to get to those guys. 967 00:41:55,981 --> 00:41:58,817 ♪ ♪ 968 00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:01,720 [India] By this time, I had been in NXIVM 969 00:42:01,753 --> 00:42:03,989 for five and a half years 970 00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:07,158 and in DOS for nearly a year, 971 00:42:07,192 --> 00:42:08,693 and daily life 972 00:42:08,727 --> 00:42:10,795 was just getting more and more intense. 973 00:42:11,763 --> 00:42:16,635 I was doing DOS check-ins, calorie restrictions, 974 00:42:16,668 --> 00:42:19,804 taking classes, doing readiness drills, 975 00:42:19,838 --> 00:42:21,840 giving collateral, 976 00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:24,976 late-night walks, and sessions with Keith. 977 00:42:25,911 --> 00:42:29,047 This was a whole new level of exhaustion. 978 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,116 And just when I thought 979 00:42:31,149 --> 00:42:33,885 that this was all I could handle, 980 00:42:33,919 --> 00:42:35,720 there was always something new. 981 00:42:35,754 --> 00:42:37,188 [electronic music] 982 00:42:37,222 --> 00:42:40,825 I was on a walk with Allison and Keith in Clifton Park, 983 00:42:40,859 --> 00:42:42,594 and they told me directly, 984 00:42:42,627 --> 00:42:45,163 "You need to enroll your own slave." 985 00:42:45,196 --> 00:42:47,732 And I remember thinking, "I don't want to." 986 00:42:49,034 --> 00:42:52,871 [Cangro] DOS really started ramping up around 2016, 987 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:56,074 which is when all of the slaves within DOS 988 00:42:56,107 --> 00:43:00,011 were told that they needed to bring other members in. 989 00:43:00,045 --> 00:43:02,580 The way that Keith Raniere envisioned DOS 990 00:43:02,614 --> 00:43:04,582 was that it would be thousands of women, 991 00:43:04,616 --> 00:43:06,284 and that one day, they'd be able 992 00:43:06,318 --> 00:43:08,586 to have a DOS member 993 00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:10,288 as an elected official. 994 00:43:10,322 --> 00:43:13,992 He wanted to have power at every single level, 995 00:43:14,025 --> 00:43:15,593 and that included government. 996 00:43:16,294 --> 00:43:18,730 [Raniere] The slaves should look also 997 00:43:18,763 --> 00:43:20,932 to really find 998 00:43:20,966 --> 00:43:22,600 women of influence. 999 00:43:22,634 --> 00:43:23,835 I imagine, for example, 1000 00:43:23,868 --> 00:43:25,203 we could change the presidential vote 1001 00:43:25,236 --> 00:43:27,706 of the United States in four years or something. 1002 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,241 [Cangro] He thought that he would have 1003 00:43:30,275 --> 00:43:32,844 all of this power and all of this control 1004 00:43:32,877 --> 00:43:34,279 because of all of the collateral 1005 00:43:34,312 --> 00:43:35,380 that he would have. 1006 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:36,748 I started to realize 1007 00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:39,084 that DOS was much bigger than I thought, 1008 00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:40,752 and it started to grow quickly 1009 00:43:40,785 --> 00:43:42,354 'cause they were not moving slow. 1010 00:43:42,387 --> 00:43:47,292 There was active pressure to enroll all around me. 1011 00:43:49,627 --> 00:43:52,130 [Debora] My coach flew in to LA, and she said, 1012 00:43:52,163 --> 00:43:53,932 "Well, I've been actually wanting to meet you 1013 00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:55,900 to tell you about an amazing woman's group." 1014 00:43:55,934 --> 00:43:57,268 A person that I was close with 1015 00:43:57,302 --> 00:44:00,372 within the organization approached me. 1016 00:44:00,405 --> 00:44:03,174 It didn't feel like it was something I had to do, 1017 00:44:03,208 --> 00:44:05,410 but it sounded like something that I might want to do 1018 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:08,413 because she kept saying that these women were exceptional. 1019 00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:11,016 [India] Allison instructed myself 1020 00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:12,851 and the other girls in my group 1021 00:44:12,884 --> 00:44:14,386 to create lists of people 1022 00:44:14,419 --> 00:44:17,022 that we thought we could enroll into DOS. 1023 00:44:17,055 --> 00:44:20,291 She instructed us to get pictures of their faces 1024 00:44:20,325 --> 00:44:21,726 from social media 1025 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,862 and send them to her for approval. 1026 00:44:23,895 --> 00:44:27,232 We didn't know that those pictures were going to Keith. 1027 00:44:27,265 --> 00:44:30,969 My first question actually was, "Is Keith behind this?" 1028 00:44:31,002 --> 00:44:33,104 Because he was part of everything, 1029 00:44:33,138 --> 00:44:34,806 and she was like, "No." 1030 00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:36,875 So I go, "Okay, is ESP behind this?" 1031 00:44:36,908 --> 00:44:38,176 And she said no. 1032 00:44:38,209 --> 00:44:39,711 [dramatic electronic music] 1033 00:44:39,744 --> 00:44:41,212 And I was like, "Well, who are these women?" 1034 00:44:41,246 --> 00:44:43,381 And she said, "Well, I can't really tell you much more 1035 00:44:43,415 --> 00:44:45,984 "unless you give me some kind of collateral 1036 00:44:46,017 --> 00:44:48,753 so that I know you will keep this a secret." 1037 00:44:48,787 --> 00:44:51,689 And I thought, "Okay, that's kind of strange. 1038 00:44:51,723 --> 00:44:54,726 And I said, "Well, you know, I want to think about this." 1039 00:44:54,759 --> 00:44:55,860 She says, "No problem. No problem." 1040 00:44:55,894 --> 00:44:57,095 You know, "Go ahead and think about it." 1041 00:44:57,128 --> 00:44:58,329 [India] There were punishments to me 1042 00:44:58,363 --> 00:45:00,231 and the other girls in my group 1043 00:45:00,265 --> 00:45:03,334 if we weren't actively trying to enroll people into DOS. 1044 00:45:03,368 --> 00:45:05,003 [woman] It was painted 1045 00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:07,038 as if we didn't reach certain enrollment numbers 1046 00:45:07,072 --> 00:45:09,374 by a certain date, we would be failing my master. 1047 00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:11,910 and that she might even face the consequence 1048 00:45:11,943 --> 00:45:13,311 if we don't enroll faster. 1049 00:45:13,344 --> 00:45:14,946 Just told me directly, 1050 00:45:14,979 --> 00:45:16,314 "Will you work with all the women 1051 00:45:16,347 --> 00:45:18,716 "and figure out, you know, who they know 1052 00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:20,285 "and who they're trying to enroll 1053 00:45:20,318 --> 00:45:23,455 and project out at what date we'll get to 100?" 1054 00:45:24,289 --> 00:45:26,891 [India] I'm trying to understand why I kept going 1055 00:45:26,925 --> 00:45:28,359 when others said no. 1056 00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:33,264 I remember Allison and, I believe, Lauren, too, 1057 00:45:33,298 --> 00:45:35,200 coming to me and saying that 1058 00:45:35,233 --> 00:45:38,503 [bleep] tried to enroll you, 1059 00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:39,871 -Mm-hmm. -[India] And I was like, 1060 00:45:39,904 --> 00:45:41,339 "How did it go?" And they're like, 1061 00:45:41,372 --> 00:45:42,474 "It didn't go well." 1062 00:45:42,507 --> 00:45:43,741 No. 1063 00:45:43,775 --> 00:45:45,143 Once she started the pitch, 1064 00:45:45,176 --> 00:45:46,778 she kept looking down, 1065 00:45:46,811 --> 00:45:48,780 like, literally like this, talking to me, 1066 00:45:48,813 --> 00:45:51,316 if you were me, like... and not looking at me. 1067 00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:53,751 And I was very like, "Hmm, that's weird. 1068 00:45:53,785 --> 00:45:56,221 If you're so great, why can you not look at me?" 1069 00:45:56,254 --> 00:45:57,222 Right. 1070 00:45:57,255 --> 00:45:58,223 And then that night, 1071 00:45:58,256 --> 00:45:59,891 the creepiest thing happened. 1072 00:45:59,924 --> 00:46:01,025 I went into the bathroom, 1073 00:46:01,059 --> 00:46:02,494 and you know how the phone's open 1074 00:46:02,527 --> 00:46:04,395 and the text messages are open? 1075 00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:06,998 And I was washing my hands, and a new text came in, 1076 00:46:07,031 --> 00:46:09,134 and I looked down, and I saw, like, 1077 00:46:09,167 --> 00:46:11,069 "I love you, my master." 1078 00:46:11,102 --> 00:46:13,138 And I was like, what is this? 1079 00:46:13,171 --> 00:46:14,239 Wow. 1080 00:46:14,272 --> 00:46:16,975 It was really eerie. It felt very bad, 1081 00:46:17,008 --> 00:46:19,544 like here, like in my gut feeling. 1082 00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:21,045 My alarms went off 1083 00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,882 and I was like, "No, I don't want to do that." 1084 00:46:23,915 --> 00:46:28,086 I wonder that if one of the warning signs are, 1085 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:29,787 "Are you overriding 1086 00:46:29,821 --> 00:46:31,422 the feelings that you're having in your body or your gut?" 1087 00:46:31,456 --> 00:46:33,525 Yeah, I think it is. 1088 00:46:33,558 --> 00:46:36,327 So I'm trying to learn that. I'm trying to get better. 1089 00:46:36,361 --> 00:46:37,829 I'm so proud of you. 1090 00:46:39,063 --> 00:46:40,865 Thank you. 1091 00:46:40,899 --> 00:46:43,234 [uneasy music] 1092 00:46:43,268 --> 00:46:46,304 I did not want to recruit people into DOS, 1093 00:46:46,337 --> 00:46:48,006 but there was a lot of pressure 1094 00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:49,908 from Keith and Allison, 1095 00:46:49,941 --> 00:46:52,977 and when I resisted, they would tell me, 1096 00:46:53,011 --> 00:46:54,479 "Go get an EM on that." 1097 00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:57,549 If there was any issue that you had with the diet, 1098 00:46:57,582 --> 00:47:00,485 with collateral, with recruitment, with DOS, 1099 00:47:00,518 --> 00:47:02,887 you were sent to go get an EM 1100 00:47:02,921 --> 00:47:05,957 so that you would eliminate your reaction to it. 1101 00:47:06,324 --> 00:47:09,928 So I would constantly be getting EMs 1102 00:47:09,961 --> 00:47:13,131 until eventually, I just felt numb. 1103 00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:14,499 ♪ ♪ 1104 00:47:14,532 --> 00:47:17,235 I ended up having three slaves under me, 1105 00:47:17,268 --> 00:47:19,103 and I was strictly instructed 1106 00:47:19,137 --> 00:47:22,941 to not tell them that Keith was involved. 1107 00:47:22,974 --> 00:47:25,143 I had to ask them for collateral, 1108 00:47:25,176 --> 00:47:27,212 the same that I was giving, 1109 00:47:27,245 --> 00:47:29,414 damaging things to their reputations, 1110 00:47:29,447 --> 00:47:32,584 to their careers, to loved ones or family. 1111 00:47:32,617 --> 00:47:35,320 One of them sent me 1112 00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:37,855 a very explicit video 1113 00:47:37,889 --> 00:47:39,991 that I then sent to Allison, 1114 00:47:40,024 --> 00:47:42,260 and I assume that it went to Keith. 1115 00:47:42,293 --> 00:47:45,063 ♪ ♪ 1116 00:47:45,096 --> 00:47:49,133 Now I feel horrible that I lied to them, 1117 00:47:49,167 --> 00:47:51,502 but at the time, I thought 1118 00:47:51,536 --> 00:47:54,038 we were doing practices for our own good. 1119 00:47:54,072 --> 00:47:57,041 ♪ ♪ 1120 00:47:57,075 --> 00:48:00,311 One of my slaves was someone that I knew from Los Angeles, 1121 00:48:00,345 --> 00:48:03,014 and we had a couple mutual friends. 1122 00:48:03,047 --> 00:48:06,284 I did not like her calling me master. 1123 00:48:06,317 --> 00:48:09,654 I didn't like referring to her as a slave. 1124 00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:12,490 I didn't even really like giving her assignments 1125 00:48:12,523 --> 00:48:14,125 or practices. 1126 00:48:14,158 --> 00:48:17,395 A majority of what I had her do was just journal. 1127 00:48:17,428 --> 00:48:20,465 Allison would tell me that I was too soft on her, 1128 00:48:20,498 --> 00:48:22,066 that I let her walk all over me, 1129 00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:25,236 that I had to become a stronger master. 1130 00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:28,673 I felt uncomfortable disappointing Allison, 1131 00:48:28,906 --> 00:48:30,375 but I felt more uncomfortable 1132 00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:34,345 giving those types of commands to my slaves. 1133 00:48:34,379 --> 00:48:39,050 Allison demanded that I give my slave, who was my friend, 1134 00:48:39,083 --> 00:48:41,219 the seduction assignment, 1135 00:48:41,252 --> 00:48:43,288 but I kept putting it off. 1136 00:48:43,321 --> 00:48:45,356 I didn't want to give it to her. 1137 00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:47,058 ♪ ♪ 1138 00:48:47,091 --> 00:48:49,193 [Penza] In these types of cases, 1139 00:48:49,227 --> 00:48:54,065 we often see that the line between victim and victimizer 1140 00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:58,536 is not quite clear, and that was true within DOS. 1141 00:48:58,569 --> 00:49:02,006 You have women who have been victimized 1142 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,374 recruiting other women 1143 00:49:03,408 --> 00:49:05,176 into the sex trafficking organization. 1144 00:49:05,209 --> 00:49:07,612 ♪ ♪ 1145 00:49:07,645 --> 00:49:11,015 [Catherine] India is my most sentimental, 1146 00:49:11,049 --> 00:49:13,017 family-oriented child, 1147 00:49:13,051 --> 00:49:16,254 and she loves holidays. 1148 00:49:16,287 --> 00:49:17,655 She's the first to call me on my birthday. 1149 00:49:17,689 --> 00:49:20,058 She's the first to call me on Mother's Day. 1150 00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,694 And so when she let me know that she wasn't coming home 1151 00:49:22,727 --> 00:49:25,997 for Christmas 2016, 1152 00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:28,266 I was really worried. 1153 00:49:29,233 --> 00:49:31,636 This is my porch! 1154 00:49:31,669 --> 00:49:35,306 It's very, very snowy, very Christmas-like, 1155 00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:37,575 and I love you guys, and I miss you, 1156 00:49:37,608 --> 00:49:39,477 and I'm sending you a big kiss. 1157 00:49:40,578 --> 00:49:44,482 [Catherine] That video was all we saw of her that Christmas. 1158 00:49:44,515 --> 00:49:46,684 I watched it over and over again. 1159 00:49:46,718 --> 00:49:48,219 Her eyes were vacant. 1160 00:49:48,252 --> 00:49:50,421 It was as if there was nobody home. 1161 00:49:50,455 --> 00:49:52,724 She was beyond my reach. 1162 00:49:53,624 --> 00:49:57,395 Love comes not from the satiation or the comfort. 1163 00:49:57,428 --> 00:49:59,997 It comes from the sacrifice and the pain. 1164 00:50:00,031 --> 00:50:02,066 That's how we know it. 1165 00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:06,003 When we most feel love, we feel pain, 1166 00:50:06,037 --> 00:50:08,473 and the depth of pain that we feel 1167 00:50:08,506 --> 00:50:10,274 measures that love. 1168 00:50:13,111 --> 00:50:15,747 [India] In January 2017, 1169 00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:18,383 Allison told me that there was gonna be a ceremony 1170 00:50:18,416 --> 00:50:21,152 that I was gonna have to be a part of. 1171 00:50:21,185 --> 00:50:24,021 She said it would involve a mark on our bodies, 1172 00:50:24,055 --> 00:50:26,057 and that it would be a permanent commitment 1173 00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:27,325 to DOS. 1174 00:50:27,358 --> 00:50:29,627 Allison and the other first-line slaves 1175 00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:31,462 had already done it, 1176 00:50:31,496 --> 00:50:33,664 and now it was the second line's turn. 1177 00:50:34,532 --> 00:50:36,334 We were going to be branded. 1178 00:50:38,102 --> 00:50:42,774 That window is where Allison's bedroom was 1179 00:50:42,807 --> 00:50:45,209 and where we had the branding ceremony. 1180 00:50:47,245 --> 00:50:49,113 [Jill] I was told by my master 1181 00:50:49,147 --> 00:50:50,648 that I would need to be branded, 1182 00:50:50,681 --> 00:50:52,817 that this was part of the sorority. 1183 00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:55,620 Literally, you would have these reminders on your body 1184 00:50:55,653 --> 00:50:59,590 every day that this is not only a lifetime serious vow, 1185 00:50:59,624 --> 00:51:01,058 but it's also 1186 00:51:01,092 --> 00:51:03,761 the most important relationship in your life. 1187 00:51:04,562 --> 00:51:06,697 [Ross] The women who entered into DOS 1188 00:51:06,731 --> 00:51:08,366 felt that what they were demonstrating 1189 00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:11,736 is their absolute commitment to each other 1190 00:51:11,769 --> 00:51:13,404 and to the philosophy 1191 00:51:13,438 --> 00:51:16,641 that Raniere had indoctrinated them to believe. 1192 00:51:16,674 --> 00:51:18,676 In that environment, 1193 00:51:18,709 --> 00:51:22,246 accepting the brand becomes logical, 1194 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,282 it becomes reasonable, 1195 00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:27,518 and they simply see it as their commitment 1196 00:51:27,552 --> 00:51:30,455 based on all the training that they've gone through. 1197 00:51:31,756 --> 00:51:35,126 [India] Maybe a week before we actually got branded, 1198 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:38,296 Allison started to talk about the details 1199 00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:39,831 of the branding ceremony. 1200 00:51:40,465 --> 00:51:43,668 I was told that the brand was going to be a symbol 1201 00:51:43,701 --> 00:51:45,203 of the elements, 1202 00:51:45,236 --> 00:51:49,607 like fire, earth, water, sky, 1203 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,643 and that it would be a bonding experience 1204 00:51:52,677 --> 00:51:54,812 for myself and the other women 1205 00:51:54,846 --> 00:51:57,415 and the practice of building character. 1206 00:51:58,182 --> 00:51:59,684 [Jill] My master told me it was very small, 1207 00:51:59,717 --> 00:52:01,352 like held up her fingers 1208 00:52:01,385 --> 00:52:03,654 like... like that, like... like a quarter. 1209 00:52:03,688 --> 00:52:06,290 So it freaked me out, but I honestly thought, 1210 00:52:06,324 --> 00:52:07,758 "Well, it's gonna be stamped on. 1211 00:52:07,792 --> 00:52:10,728 This will be seconds of my life." 1212 00:52:10,761 --> 00:52:14,465 None of us really had any... 1213 00:52:14,499 --> 00:52:17,134 idea what this was gonna be like, 1214 00:52:17,168 --> 00:52:18,402 and so Allison 1215 00:52:18,436 --> 00:52:19,871 brought out these videos. 1216 00:52:19,904 --> 00:52:24,909 [man] One, two, three, four, five. 1217 00:52:26,244 --> 00:52:28,279 [India] And I remember watching it and thinking... 1218 00:52:28,312 --> 00:52:29,847 -[man] Here we go. -[India] Wow, that looks awful. 1219 00:52:29,881 --> 00:52:33,417 [man] One, two, three, four. 1220 00:52:33,451 --> 00:52:36,187 But I made no connection to the fact 1221 00:52:36,220 --> 00:52:38,256 that that was gonna happen to me 1222 00:52:38,289 --> 00:52:39,690 and that it was gonna happen to me 1223 00:52:39,724 --> 00:52:42,627 within the next couple of days. 1224 00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:44,228 Dr. Danielle Roberts, 1225 00:52:44,262 --> 00:52:48,332 who is in my pod, was taught how to brand. 1226 00:52:48,366 --> 00:52:50,601 [man] Three, four, five. 1227 00:52:50,635 --> 00:52:51,802 I had listened 1228 00:52:51,836 --> 00:52:53,571 and watched Danielle practice 1229 00:52:53,604 --> 00:52:56,340 on oranges in the bathroom, 1230 00:52:56,374 --> 00:52:58,910 and it looked scary. 1231 00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:01,746 The day of the ceremony, 1232 00:53:01,779 --> 00:53:04,782 I began to feel a lot more fear, 1233 00:53:04,815 --> 00:53:07,251 and I even remember saying, 1234 00:53:07,285 --> 00:53:09,487 "Are you sure we have to do this?" 1235 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,189 And Allison was like, "Yes." 1236 00:53:12,223 --> 00:53:15,226 [uneasy music] 1237 00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:19,697 We walked one by one into Allison's bedroom, 1238 00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:22,800 fully naked. 1239 00:53:22,833 --> 00:53:25,603 I was instructed to lie on the table. 1240 00:53:25,636 --> 00:53:28,773 I had Michele holding my feet, 1241 00:53:28,806 --> 00:53:31,776 and Nicole held my hands 1242 00:53:31,809 --> 00:53:34,445 so that I wouldn't convulse. 1243 00:53:34,478 --> 00:53:37,848 Allison was reading the ceremony script, 1244 00:53:37,882 --> 00:53:40,418 [woman] The best slave derives the highest pleasure 1245 00:53:40,451 --> 00:53:42,954 from being her master's ultimate tool, 1246 00:53:42,987 --> 00:53:45,323 independent of use. 1247 00:53:45,356 --> 00:53:49,927 [India] Danielle put a stencil on my skin, 1248 00:53:49,961 --> 00:53:53,898 and then she began to trace the stencil 1249 00:53:53,931 --> 00:53:55,633 with the cauterizing pen. 1250 00:53:55,666 --> 00:53:58,669 ♪ ♪ 1251 00:54:00,571 --> 00:54:04,475 I was the first woman that Danielle Roberts ever branded. 1252 00:54:04,508 --> 00:54:07,645 [flesh sizzling] 1253 00:54:07,678 --> 00:54:09,747 The smell that came 1254 00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,884 from the cauterizing pen burning my flesh 1255 00:54:13,918 --> 00:54:15,519 was so intense 1256 00:54:15,553 --> 00:54:19,323 that it filled up the entire townhouse. 1257 00:54:19,357 --> 00:54:21,492 I didn't feel the pain 1258 00:54:21,525 --> 00:54:23,961 of what was happening to me right away, 1259 00:54:23,995 --> 00:54:28,265 but then, when the pen would reach the edges of the line 1260 00:54:28,299 --> 00:54:30,301 and close to my bone, 1261 00:54:30,334 --> 00:54:34,772 that shocked me. Like, I felt jolt... a jolt. 1262 00:54:35,306 --> 00:54:36,641 I wasn't screaming. 1263 00:54:36,674 --> 00:54:41,278 I was just kind of watching myself experience this... 1264 00:54:41,879 --> 00:54:44,281 ...and I just remember... 1265 00:54:44,315 --> 00:54:46,517 I felt like I was out of my body. 1266 00:54:46,550 --> 00:54:47,752 ♪ ♪ 1267 00:54:47,785 --> 00:54:49,687 At that point, I could tell that this 1268 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,857 was gonna be much larger than a quarter. 1269 00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:54,525 ♪ ♪ 1270 00:54:54,558 --> 00:54:55,926 I kept looking up at Allison 1271 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,762 while she was repeating these words, 1272 00:54:57,795 --> 00:55:00,398 and I don't even really remember much 1273 00:55:00,431 --> 00:55:02,466 except for one line, 1274 00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:06,470 which was "Feel the pain, feel the love," 1275 00:55:06,504 --> 00:55:08,873 and she had us repeating that to her. 1276 00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:11,042 [women] Feel the pain. Feel the love. 1277 00:55:11,075 --> 00:55:12,643 Feel the pain, feel the love. 1278 00:55:12,677 --> 00:55:14,612 Your greatest joy is to surrender completely... 1279 00:55:14,645 --> 00:55:16,814 all things in all ways. 1280 00:55:16,847 --> 00:55:18,416 I surrender my life, 1281 00:55:18,449 --> 00:55:22,953 mind, body, and possessions for unconditional use. 1282 00:55:22,987 --> 00:55:27,892 [India] The branding lasted for about 30 minutes, 1283 00:55:27,925 --> 00:55:30,461 and then I had to watch the other women 1284 00:55:30,494 --> 00:55:31,862 have that done to them. 1285 00:55:31,896 --> 00:55:33,831 [distressing musical crescendo] 1286 00:55:33,864 --> 00:55:37,601 After all the adrenaline came down, came the pain. 1287 00:55:37,635 --> 00:55:40,638 ♪ ♪ 1288 00:55:41,772 --> 00:55:44,442 When Keith first saw my brand, 1289 00:55:44,475 --> 00:55:48,012 he commented on how well it had healed. 1290 00:55:48,045 --> 00:55:49,580 He would touch it. 1291 00:55:49,613 --> 00:55:53,651 He would say things like he liked how tiny I looked. 1292 00:55:53,684 --> 00:55:55,786 He seemed pleased with the brand. 1293 00:55:56,987 --> 00:56:01,092 At the time, I felt positive about the brand. 1294 00:56:01,125 --> 00:56:04,061 For me, it represented something that was challenging 1295 00:56:04,095 --> 00:56:07,131 that I had done with women that I loved and cared about. 1296 00:56:07,798 --> 00:56:09,734 And then Allison announced 1297 00:56:09,767 --> 00:56:12,937 that it was time to brand my slaves. 1298 00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:15,973 [dark music] 1299 00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,642 [Catherine] I always felt that India would wake up on her own 1300 00:56:18,676 --> 00:56:22,413 and that she would leave NXIVM of her own volition. 1301 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:25,950 But in April of 2017, 1302 00:56:25,983 --> 00:56:29,553 I received a phone call that changed everything. 1303 00:56:29,587 --> 00:56:32,423 It was from somebody who had defected from NXIVM, 1304 00:56:32,456 --> 00:56:34,125 and she said to me, 1305 00:56:34,158 --> 00:56:36,494 "You have to save your daughter. 1306 00:56:36,527 --> 00:56:37,928 "You have to save India. 1307 00:56:37,962 --> 00:56:42,032 She is in grave danger." 1308 00:56:42,066 --> 00:56:45,035 [uneasy music] 1309 00:56:45,069 --> 00:56:48,072 ♪ ♪ 104537

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