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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,882 --> 00:00:22,125 Am I alright to wet my whistle quicky? 2 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:22,850 [Yeah.] 3 00:00:29,063 --> 00:00:29,926 No, no, no... 4 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:30,685 Wait, wait wait! Come on! 5 00:00:31,445 --> 00:00:32,135 What are we doing? 6 00:00:32,170 --> 00:00:33,274 Put it right by Lance's face. 7 00:00:33,309 --> 00:00:34,758 - Yeah, there we go. - There we go. 8 00:00:34,793 --> 00:00:36,312 - Can we get a... - Yeah. 9 00:00:37,658 --> 00:00:39,246 - Rolling... - Check mate. 10 00:00:41,593 --> 00:00:42,490 - Check please. 11 00:00:42,525 --> 00:00:43,698 Czech Republic. 12 00:00:43,733 --> 00:00:44,665 - Czechoslovakia. - Czechoslovakia. 13 00:00:47,737 --> 00:00:48,669 How bad does that look? 14 00:00:49,221 --> 00:00:50,257 You got me thinking, I'm a bit... 15 00:00:50,498 --> 00:00:51,879 Are you allowed to swear in it? 16 00:00:53,984 --> 00:00:55,331 I'm 53 years old. 17 00:00:55,538 --> 00:00:56,711 Old enough to know better. 18 00:02:01,328 --> 00:02:04,434 It's the most unlikely thing to find 19 00:02:04,469 --> 00:02:07,782 in this suburban semi-industrial bit of Essex. 20 00:02:15,342 --> 00:02:18,138 I always found it quite magical, coming over here. 21 00:02:19,553 --> 00:02:23,246 I think about this amazing kind of lunar landscape. 22 00:02:23,488 --> 00:02:25,593 Like tonight you look at beautiful blue skies. 23 00:02:25,628 --> 00:02:28,113 The way the shadows kind of come off everything. 24 00:02:31,081 --> 00:02:33,498 I never ever get bored of walking through the door. 25 00:02:40,229 --> 00:02:44,543 I actually think about Dion and Jonesy and Rob 26 00:02:44,578 --> 00:02:48,651 and Graham, and the people thatare sort of there, every Sunday 27 00:02:48,685 --> 00:02:52,620 It is a group of people that you really associate with Rom. 28 00:02:56,797 --> 00:02:59,524 People come over and they, they just get on. 29 00:03:00,249 --> 00:03:01,905 Why would you go to Rom? 30 00:03:01,940 --> 00:03:03,113 Which is rough... 31 00:03:04,494 --> 00:03:07,980 Looks a bit tired and you have to pay to get in. 32 00:03:08,015 --> 00:03:10,776 Well, you've got to go there for a special reason. 33 00:03:10,811 --> 00:03:12,847 What's special about Rom? 34 00:03:14,435 --> 00:03:18,612 Well, the pool is the thing above all which is special. 35 00:03:21,511 --> 00:03:24,618 But not only is it a pool, it's a sort of legit pool. 36 00:03:24,652 --> 00:03:27,862 It's a tough, scary bastard of a pool. 37 00:03:28,277 --> 00:03:30,244 that you know, makes you feel a bit afraid 38 00:03:30,279 --> 00:03:31,280 everytime you drop into it. 39 00:03:48,366 --> 00:03:51,507 You go there to immerse yourself in 40 years of 40 00:03:51,541 --> 00:03:53,371 British skateboard history. 41 00:03:53,578 --> 00:03:57,478 And to sort of be wrappedup in that whole thing 42 00:03:57,513 --> 00:03:58,514 of being back in '78, 43 00:03:58,997 --> 00:04:02,449 and by extension back into the backyard pools of California. 44 00:04:04,174 --> 00:04:05,624 To step into a landscape... 45 00:04:05,659 --> 00:04:07,937 where you've got this pool, 46 00:04:07,971 --> 00:04:12,321 which has been consciously designed on the back garden 47 00:04:12,355 --> 00:04:15,772 pool of an American film star 48 00:04:16,325 --> 00:04:17,084 or whatever. 49 00:04:17,326 --> 00:04:19,983 Where kids used to break in and skate around. 50 00:04:20,536 --> 00:04:24,678 In cultural terms, that's absolutely extraordinary 51 00:04:24,712 --> 00:04:26,093 when you think about it. 52 00:04:27,025 --> 00:04:29,959 I mean, when did you guysstart doing the whole 53 00:04:29,993 --> 00:04:32,479 kind of breaking in and draining pools? 54 00:04:32,686 --> 00:04:33,825 It's all fake. 55 00:04:34,481 --> 00:04:35,309 That's so fake. 56 00:04:35,344 --> 00:04:36,241 [Is it?] 57 00:04:36,552 --> 00:04:39,106 Yes. It's all lies. All myth. 58 00:04:39,762 --> 00:04:41,488 Every time Dion skates the pool 59 00:04:41,522 --> 00:04:43,006 he's in California 60 00:04:43,041 --> 00:04:45,008 and Dion's skated backyard pools in California 61 00:04:46,078 --> 00:04:48,702 He knows what it means. It'snot just an imagination for him. 62 00:04:49,737 --> 00:04:51,705 He's done it. And that's what he's doing. 63 00:04:52,119 --> 00:04:53,879 We went out to Palm Springsone year. 64 00:04:53,914 --> 00:04:54,915 and actually got to drain a pool 65 00:04:54,949 --> 00:04:57,538 and skate and do that whole thing, you know? 66 00:04:57,573 --> 00:04:59,678 And it was just like, I couldn't sleep that night. 67 00:04:59,713 --> 00:05:02,681 I aimed to do all my life. it's just, I've done it. What 68 00:05:02,716 --> 00:05:05,788 You know, it's part what, what it was about for years. 69 00:05:05,822 --> 00:05:09,239 think God, love to do that. watch it in videos and 70 00:05:09,274 --> 00:05:11,449 But if there's just not pools like that over here. 71 00:05:13,382 --> 00:05:14,693 There is breaking in. 72 00:05:14,728 --> 00:05:16,108 There was, there was... 73 00:05:16,143 --> 00:05:19,146 But it's still like romanticallyblown out of proportion. 74 00:05:20,147 --> 00:05:22,252 You don't just come here andrip this park. 75 00:05:22,287 --> 00:05:24,841 It's got its own flavour and its own scenario. 76 00:05:24,876 --> 00:05:27,119 You'd put a little...time and energy. 77 00:05:27,154 --> 00:05:28,604 Maybe you two can rip this park, 78 00:05:28,638 --> 00:05:30,606 but you don't justcome here and start ripping. 79 00:05:32,953 --> 00:05:34,334 [CHEERING] 80 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,646 Wow! Yeah! 81 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:40,409 Oh whoa! 82 00:05:40,443 --> 00:05:41,444 You gotta want that rip. 83 00:05:44,447 --> 00:05:46,069 [YELLS IN PAIN] 84 00:05:48,071 --> 00:05:50,350 Nothing's free here, you know. 85 00:05:52,869 --> 00:05:56,045 Rough and... Rough and steep and deep and gnarly. 86 00:05:59,324 --> 00:06:00,360 But it's good. 87 00:06:03,915 --> 00:06:06,538 I tried to find it and I couldn't find it. 88 00:06:06,573 --> 00:06:08,678 I drove past it several times. 89 00:06:10,818 --> 00:06:13,614 There were no signs sayingskate park here. 90 00:06:14,132 --> 00:06:18,067 You know, it's almost as if it's deliberately hidden away. 91 00:06:18,101 --> 00:06:20,828 As this sort of slightly kind of secret society... 92 00:06:20,863 --> 00:06:24,038 Or like a golf club that you don't see the golf club 93 00:06:24,073 --> 00:06:27,179 because it's up the driveway and behind the trees 94 00:06:27,214 --> 00:06:28,871 and behind the fences. 95 00:06:28,905 --> 00:06:30,873 It's got a little bit of that character. 96 00:06:30,907 --> 00:06:34,842 It's this sort of extraordinarything when you finally find it. 97 00:06:37,258 --> 00:06:40,883 Adrian Rolt from G force, who are the people that built Rom, 98 00:06:40,917 --> 00:06:44,093 went out to America, looked at a load of skate parks. 99 00:06:44,645 --> 00:06:47,752 Saw Skateboard Heaven at SpringValley and some other parks, 100 00:06:48,546 --> 00:06:50,202 came back to Britain 101 00:06:50,237 --> 00:06:52,066 and started building a wholeseries of skate parks, 102 00:06:52,101 --> 00:06:54,828 which effectively they built during 1978. 103 00:06:55,449 --> 00:06:57,624 Rom is one of the last tobe built. 104 00:06:57,658 --> 00:07:00,592 But the very last is one in Gillingham 105 00:07:00,627 --> 00:07:04,424 called Black Lion Skate Park right at the end of '78. 106 00:07:04,458 --> 00:07:07,806 They all have this kit of parts, 107 00:07:07,841 --> 00:07:10,602 of a Pool, and a Half Pipe, anda 108 00:07:10,637 --> 00:07:14,503 Snake Run, and some Moguls, and a Cloverleaf, and so on. 109 00:07:14,917 --> 00:07:19,093 But Rom is the only one that hasthe full set of all those bits. 110 00:07:21,061 --> 00:07:24,098 I was a professional skater 111 00:07:24,133 --> 00:07:26,031 and other professional skaters came to the Rom 112 00:07:26,066 --> 00:07:27,067 while it was being built, 113 00:07:27,516 --> 00:07:30,450 and they saw the quality of the construction, 114 00:07:30,967 --> 00:07:35,075 and they warned the owner that it wasn't good enough. 115 00:07:35,109 --> 00:07:36,525 It wasn't smooth enough. 116 00:07:37,008 --> 00:07:40,080 I mean they had someproblems building Rom. 117 00:07:40,114 --> 00:07:44,602 It was built in one of the worst summers in British history with rain. 118 00:07:45,499 --> 00:07:47,501 It finally opened in the August. 119 00:07:47,536 --> 00:07:48,916 It was supposed to have opened at the beginning of 120 00:07:48,951 --> 00:07:49,952 the six weeks holidays... 121 00:07:50,435 --> 00:07:52,782 But it pissed rain all Spring so they had a lot of trouble 122 00:07:52,817 --> 00:07:54,474 finishing the concrete. 123 00:07:54,508 --> 00:07:57,373 And it finally opened in the middle of August. 124 00:07:57,407 --> 00:07:59,271 And it just, I remember walking in for the first 125 00:07:59,306 --> 00:08:00,169 time and just like, 'Wow'. 126 00:08:00,445 --> 00:08:01,688 We'd never seen a skate park. There was no such 127 00:08:01,722 --> 00:08:02,723 thing in England, you know. 128 00:08:03,137 --> 00:08:05,795 That we'd had really any proper experience. 129 00:08:06,934 --> 00:08:08,798 It's just... Died and gone to heaven! 130 00:08:09,730 --> 00:08:12,181 And I've been in heaven ever since! On and off, you know. 131 00:08:14,252 --> 00:08:17,600 So then he talked to his architect and the architect 132 00:08:17,635 --> 00:08:20,707 searched a few resources 133 00:08:20,845 --> 00:08:23,123 in the skateboard industry and found me. 134 00:08:23,157 --> 00:08:25,125 I had been in California. 135 00:08:25,608 --> 00:08:29,336 I had skated skate parks thereand I might know what the 136 00:08:29,370 --> 00:08:31,718 standards of a skate park were.. 137 00:08:31,925 --> 00:08:33,167 What is required? 138 00:08:33,547 --> 00:08:36,688 And so they hired me to come out here and consult 139 00:08:36,723 --> 00:08:38,621 with this construction crew. 140 00:08:39,553 --> 00:08:42,349 They had made this bowl and part of the halfpipe. 141 00:08:43,005 --> 00:08:45,007 And it was really rough. 142 00:08:46,733 --> 00:08:50,702 It was uneven surface, not suitable for the 143 00:08:50,737 --> 00:08:52,186 rest of the skate park. 144 00:08:52,221 --> 00:08:56,225 So, I consulted them and they insulted me! 145 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:00,988 It was a rough day or two there. 146 00:09:01,023 --> 00:09:03,922 They were really hard on me. 147 00:09:03,957 --> 00:09:07,754 Construction crew up against a20 year old kid from California 148 00:09:07,788 --> 00:09:09,479 who is a skateboarder. 149 00:09:09,514 --> 00:09:11,551 They listened to me though and you can see how the 150 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:13,898 rest of the park is smooth. 151 00:09:14,381 --> 00:09:18,419 Except for the largeaggregate in the sand, 152 00:09:18,454 --> 00:09:19,869 which makes it a rough surface. 153 00:09:20,594 --> 00:09:22,803 It's a smooth design. 154 00:09:23,217 --> 00:09:25,599 The local papers were full ofthis news about this skateboard 155 00:09:25,634 --> 00:09:26,600 park thats going to be opening. 156 00:09:28,188 --> 00:09:30,880 And so I went over, tookthe tube over and saw 157 00:09:30,915 --> 00:09:32,261 them levelling the land. 158 00:09:32,295 --> 00:09:34,574 Saw them putting down the steel frame for the concrete. 159 00:09:35,989 --> 00:09:38,439 I actually started skating it before it opened. 160 00:09:38,854 --> 00:09:41,063 So where the workers would be there laying the concrete and I 161 00:09:41,097 --> 00:09:42,547 would wait until they went home. 162 00:09:42,823 --> 00:09:44,307 And try skating the place. 163 00:09:44,342 --> 00:09:46,171 Sometimes the concrete was a bit wet, so it 164 00:09:46,206 --> 00:09:47,587 wasn't necessarily good. 165 00:09:51,211 --> 00:09:54,248 There was this mouthy, gobby little ginger haired guy 166 00:09:54,283 --> 00:09:55,595 that turned out to be Robbie Hunter. 167 00:09:56,112 --> 00:09:57,389 He said "They're buildinga skate park across the 168 00:09:57,424 --> 00:09:58,528 road from my house". 169 00:09:58,563 --> 00:09:59,599 So I'm like "No they're not!". 170 00:09:59,633 --> 00:10:00,910 "Yes they are, come and have a look". 171 00:10:00,945 --> 00:10:02,187 So, alright. 172 00:10:02,222 --> 00:10:04,051 So we came down the upperRainham road, 173 00:10:04,086 --> 00:10:05,639 looked over the builders hoarding and sure enough 174 00:10:05,674 --> 00:10:06,640 this place was being built. 175 00:10:07,054 --> 00:10:09,781 The first thing that was built was the Performance Bowl. 176 00:10:09,816 --> 00:10:11,611 We used to come down here at night, jump the fence 177 00:10:11,645 --> 00:10:13,060 and skate a bit when the builders had gone. 178 00:10:13,095 --> 00:10:14,544 We got chased out. 179 00:10:14,579 --> 00:10:16,546 I think they got wise to kids getting in, they sort of put 180 00:10:16,581 --> 00:10:17,651 security guard here I think. 181 00:10:17,686 --> 00:10:19,101 You couldn't get in here in the evenings. 182 00:10:20,067 --> 00:10:22,656 I must have been such a pain in the backside for the 183 00:10:22,691 --> 00:10:24,762 builders and for the owners. 184 00:10:27,316 --> 00:10:30,491 One of the most evident changes at Rom today 185 00:10:30,526 --> 00:10:32,217 is how much rougher it is today 186 00:10:32,252 --> 00:10:34,841 than when it was back in'78 when it was first built. 187 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,016 The park was so brandnew. The concrete was 188 00:10:38,051 --> 00:10:39,777 a bluey, bluey white. 189 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:41,675 Yeah, it was all white. Pure white when I 190 00:10:41,710 --> 00:10:42,711 come over here 191 00:10:42,745 --> 00:10:44,333 You got like a white residue on your wheels 192 00:10:44,367 --> 00:10:45,368 coz it was so new. 193 00:10:45,403 --> 00:10:46,956 It had only been open about three months. 194 00:10:47,301 --> 00:10:48,855 But I just remember it being a bright day. 195 00:10:48,889 --> 00:10:52,168 The Rom skate park was so clean and the pool 196 00:10:52,203 --> 00:10:55,551 Still looking that crystal white, with a sparkle to it. 197 00:10:57,346 --> 00:11:01,074 It felt like a different world from like a grey rainy 198 00:11:01,108 --> 00:11:02,316 council estate in Essex. 199 00:11:02,351 --> 00:11:04,249 And I thought, yeah, this is a life, this is 200 00:11:04,284 --> 00:11:05,941 a place I'd like to be. 201 00:11:06,286 --> 00:11:10,048 And somehow they built this little corner of California 202 00:11:10,083 --> 00:11:11,187 all grey and rain streaked.. 203 00:11:11,222 --> 00:11:13,742 But nevertheless, a little corner of California 204 00:11:13,776 --> 00:11:14,674 in Hornchurch. 205 00:11:15,191 --> 00:11:17,055 No one knew how to make a skate park. They just 206 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:18,022 started pouring concrete. 207 00:11:18,229 --> 00:11:21,025 What they thought America had poured, you know? 208 00:11:21,301 --> 00:11:25,132 They had no idea of thesethings. It was all experimental. 209 00:11:25,374 --> 00:11:28,204 The fact that you guys got that stuff built, 210 00:11:28,239 --> 00:11:30,103 and it's still there is just... 211 00:11:30,897 --> 00:11:31,760 It's incredible. 212 00:11:32,415 --> 00:11:36,592 Rom is the complete collector's edition of G force skate parks 213 00:11:36,626 --> 00:11:38,836 and has everything in it that they they ever built. 214 00:11:39,595 --> 00:11:41,010 We're in Romford right? 215 00:11:41,424 --> 00:11:43,254 I feel like I'm in San Diego! 216 00:11:46,809 --> 00:11:50,571 That transition, not just in sporting terms 217 00:11:50,606 --> 00:11:55,542 but in cultural terms, indesign terms is amazing really. 218 00:11:56,060 --> 00:12:01,237 And so, to see these designscarved out of these holes 219 00:12:01,272 --> 00:12:03,136 in the ground in Essex. 220 00:12:03,446 --> 00:12:05,932 A county I should add, 221 00:12:05,966 --> 00:12:08,313 where Americanism was really significant. 222 00:12:08,348 --> 00:12:11,109 Because of the American air bases in East Anglia 223 00:12:11,144 --> 00:12:13,560 to a certain extent, Dagenham at Fords, 224 00:12:13,594 --> 00:12:15,665 which is an American intervention. 225 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:20,567 You see this a lot across Essex and across East Anglia. 226 00:12:21,948 --> 00:12:25,330 For myself and many, many other kids of 227 00:12:25,365 --> 00:12:26,366 my generation growing up in the '80s, 228 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,126 we were just thrill seekers. 229 00:12:28,161 --> 00:12:30,646 We was spoonfed a hell of a lot of stuff that 230 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:31,854 come out of the States. 231 00:12:31,889 --> 00:12:33,925 And we just, we just lapped it up, you know. 232 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,410 We were a dry sponge, we become a wet sponge and 233 00:12:36,445 --> 00:12:38,481 we just lapped everything up. 234 00:12:39,586 --> 00:12:41,933 I set about every single day. 235 00:12:41,968 --> 00:12:44,625 Every single free moment I had practising. 236 00:12:45,005 --> 00:12:48,388 Doing every trick in the book, You know, reading 237 00:12:48,422 --> 00:12:50,424 every American magazine I can get my hands on. 238 00:12:50,459 --> 00:12:54,359 So to see this sort of little pool of California, 239 00:12:54,394 --> 00:12:59,019 this little bit of California onthe edge of Hornchurch in Essex 240 00:12:59,675 --> 00:13:02,816 in 1970s Britain, strikes all sorts of chords 241 00:13:02,851 --> 00:13:05,198 with me as a historian. 242 00:13:05,715 --> 00:13:09,098 And that's why the more I saw it, the more I thought about 243 00:13:09,133 --> 00:13:10,065 it, the more I thought... 244 00:13:10,444 --> 00:13:13,654 This is an important place. This has got to be preserved. 245 00:13:14,448 --> 00:13:15,553 It's special, you know. 246 00:13:15,587 --> 00:13:18,280 You go all over the world, people know this place. 247 00:13:18,314 --> 00:13:21,421 And to have you on your doorstepis, yeah, it's a privilege. 248 00:13:23,285 --> 00:13:24,527 It was so well organised. 249 00:13:24,562 --> 00:13:26,184 You had to pay on entry, 250 00:13:26,219 --> 00:13:27,185 had a cafe, 251 00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:28,635 had gaming machines. 252 00:13:29,049 --> 00:13:31,258 You had a shop, youknow, it had everything. 253 00:13:31,293 --> 00:13:33,605 And then you walkedinto the skate park 254 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,505 and it was just anoasis of a playground. 255 00:13:37,230 --> 00:13:39,197 For bikes and skateboards 256 00:13:39,232 --> 00:13:42,062 and it's in Romford, seven miles from my house. 257 00:13:48,862 --> 00:13:50,070 Here we go. Here's Rom. 258 00:13:50,795 --> 00:13:52,245 So my memory is shot. 259 00:13:52,762 --> 00:13:54,730 So I actually might've gotten knockout at Rom. 260 00:13:56,905 --> 00:13:58,285 We heard that they're starting to have skate 261 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,908 parks around the world. 262 00:14:00,874 --> 00:14:01,841 I was like, I want to go. 263 00:14:02,117 --> 00:14:04,119 And my dad wanted to show me some more museums, so 264 00:14:04,153 --> 00:14:05,154 we went on a little... 265 00:14:07,467 --> 00:14:08,675 excursion that was awesome. 266 00:14:09,296 --> 00:14:10,263 Trying to find these parks 267 00:14:11,195 --> 00:14:11,954 and skate them. 268 00:14:11,989 --> 00:14:13,335 We fell in love with it. 269 00:14:13,369 --> 00:14:16,372 My son went when he was older and he was like, I belong here. 270 00:14:16,407 --> 00:14:17,891 I don't want to leave here. 271 00:14:18,271 --> 00:14:20,445 Kind of was saying to me like, you don't understand. 272 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,688 I was like, Oh, I understand. 273 00:14:21,722 --> 00:14:23,759 We did the same like, 274 00:14:23,793 --> 00:14:25,381 but because of skateboarding I felt like I belonged 275 00:14:25,416 --> 00:14:26,417 there, but I'm living here. 276 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,005 It's Rom right here. 277 00:14:28,937 --> 00:14:30,800 Hornchurch, Essex. 278 00:14:31,111 --> 00:14:33,596 Simply the biggest and the best. No question! 279 00:14:34,563 --> 00:14:35,598 Come see for yourself. 280 00:14:35,771 --> 00:14:37,393 So I guess it is the biggest one. 281 00:14:37,428 --> 00:14:38,498 Safety equipment for hire, 282 00:14:40,396 --> 00:14:41,294 fully marshalled, 283 00:14:44,987 --> 00:14:46,092 first aid room, 284 00:14:47,196 --> 00:14:49,198 pro shop, cafeteria, club room, 285 00:14:50,717 --> 00:14:51,856 amusement machines! 286 00:14:52,995 --> 00:14:55,964 [BRITSH ACCENT] 80 Pence for two hours. 287 00:14:55,998 --> 00:14:57,034 80 Pence. 288 00:14:58,725 --> 00:14:59,760 Well there you go. 289 00:15:34,381 --> 00:15:38,316 Well this place was originally owned by a consortium 290 00:15:38,351 --> 00:15:39,731 of oil wholesalers, 291 00:15:39,766 --> 00:15:41,354 They owned petrol garages, etc. 292 00:15:41,388 --> 00:15:44,598 They decided to build the Rom skate park in the boom time 293 00:15:44,633 --> 00:15:46,393 when other big companies were getting involved 294 00:15:46,428 --> 00:15:47,429 like Tate and Lyle. 295 00:15:47,808 --> 00:15:49,845 They thought there was a fortune to be had. 296 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:52,744 And I used to come here coz I used to wholesale skateboards 297 00:15:52,779 --> 00:15:55,195 because my brother builtthe first skate park in London, 298 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:57,128 which was Skate City. 299 00:15:57,163 --> 00:15:59,751 The word went out, you can go and tip hardcore 300 00:15:59,786 --> 00:16:00,890 at London Bridge. 301 00:16:00,925 --> 00:16:03,445 So all the lorries in Londoninstead of going out to 302 00:16:03,479 --> 00:16:04,791 Bedfordshire to tip thier loads, 303 00:16:04,825 --> 00:16:07,863 would come into skate city and tip their load 304 00:16:07,897 --> 00:16:09,416 and get bunged a few quid. 305 00:16:09,451 --> 00:16:12,143 So my brother was earning thousands of pounds and 306 00:16:12,178 --> 00:16:13,489 made a great big hill. 307 00:16:13,524 --> 00:16:15,146 Then they concreted it and everyone came down 308 00:16:15,181 --> 00:16:16,147 this hill like 309 00:16:16,182 --> 00:16:17,597 [VROOM] 310 00:16:17,631 --> 00:16:19,323 Hit the bottom and broke their arms. 311 00:16:22,084 --> 00:16:22,982 Couldn't stop! 312 00:16:23,465 --> 00:16:25,846 Oh this is good isnt it! Help! 313 00:16:25,881 --> 00:16:28,263 I used to have a van and go around the country selling 314 00:16:28,297 --> 00:16:29,850 skateboards to the shops, 315 00:16:29,885 --> 00:16:31,197 and this was one of my calls. 316 00:16:31,611 --> 00:16:33,578 And I got friendly with the owner. 317 00:16:33,613 --> 00:16:35,235 and he said, "Do you want to take it on?" 318 00:16:35,270 --> 00:16:36,478 I said, "yeah, I'll take it on". 319 00:16:36,823 --> 00:16:38,998 I think the first day I stood behind that counter, 320 00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:40,861 I took about £1.40. 321 00:16:41,241 --> 00:16:42,691 It was disastrous. 322 00:16:42,725 --> 00:16:47,006 but we carried on, endeavoured ocarry on and it turned out okay. 323 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,801 [dogs barking] 324 00:16:49,836 --> 00:16:51,493 I used to have two Dobermans, 325 00:16:51,907 --> 00:16:54,289 We used to clear the skate park at two o'clock. 326 00:16:54,737 --> 00:16:56,222 They'd run round and get everybody out. 327 00:16:56,429 --> 00:16:57,809 Never bit anyone! 328 00:16:57,844 --> 00:16:59,604 They were just frightened ofthese Dobermans for some reason! 329 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:01,710 They were always under my control. 330 00:17:01,744 --> 00:17:06,025 But, that was just the story that grew and grew, you know? 331 00:17:06,922 --> 00:17:08,061 Lovely when I think about it. 332 00:17:08,303 --> 00:17:09,959 [Do you think you've mellowed with old age?] 333 00:17:09,994 --> 00:17:10,857 I think I have, yeah. 334 00:17:12,859 --> 00:17:14,102 Big bad John, you know. 335 00:17:14,999 --> 00:17:19,866 Big John got this place in '78,it had been open six months. 336 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:21,316 It was going bankrupt, it was going to shut. 337 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:25,906 He walked in the door, sackedeveryone, took over, got his own 338 00:17:25,941 --> 00:17:27,253 staff and he is still here now. 339 00:17:27,287 --> 00:17:28,771 It's unheard of man. 340 00:17:28,806 --> 00:17:30,463 And he didn't even skateboardbig John. You know what I mean? 341 00:17:31,084 --> 00:17:31,774 Unheard of. 342 00:17:32,361 --> 00:17:34,536 I mean it's been amazing whatthe Greenwood family have done 343 00:17:34,570 --> 00:17:36,676 with that place over the years. 344 00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:38,298 You know, all credit to them sticking through it 345 00:17:38,333 --> 00:17:39,541 through thick and thin. 346 00:17:39,989 --> 00:17:42,889 John and John, they deserve medals for that. 347 00:17:42,923 --> 00:17:44,270 It's amazing what they've done. 348 00:17:44,304 --> 00:17:49,068 I ran the skate park from 1978 until five years ago 349 00:17:49,102 --> 00:17:50,586 when my son took it over. 350 00:17:50,897 --> 00:17:53,727 It's a testament to the Greenwood family that 351 00:17:53,762 --> 00:17:54,970 have kept it going all these years, you know. 352 00:17:55,004 --> 00:17:57,455 Its on it's arse at the moment, as a business, 353 00:17:57,490 --> 00:17:58,560 but they still keep it going. 354 00:17:58,594 --> 00:18:00,389 I think they know how important it is to people. 355 00:18:07,051 --> 00:18:10,779 To be able to bring my kids here now and for them to enjoy 356 00:18:10,813 --> 00:18:12,505 the same things that I did, 357 00:18:12,919 --> 00:18:14,093 and see it the same way. 358 00:18:14,714 --> 00:18:16,509 Yeah, that gives you a really good feeling. 359 00:18:16,923 --> 00:18:18,994 It's not about making money anymore. 360 00:18:19,028 --> 00:18:21,548 It's about my old man's legacy for one. 361 00:18:21,583 --> 00:18:23,032 He's done 30 years 362 00:18:23,067 --> 00:18:24,517 working there every day and it'slike be a shame just 363 00:18:24,551 --> 00:18:25,621 to tear the place down. 364 00:18:25,656 --> 00:18:27,485 Like he obviously cared about it or he wouldnt 365 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:28,728 have stayed for so long. 366 00:18:28,762 --> 00:18:30,937 John and his dad, they've done an amazing job 367 00:18:30,971 --> 00:18:32,111 keeping this place going. 368 00:18:32,145 --> 00:18:33,767 Cause there's been hard times with those guys. 369 00:18:34,768 --> 00:18:36,839 It got to the point threemonths ago when I had 370 00:18:36,874 --> 00:18:38,358 minus £2,000 in my overdraft. 371 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,119 And that was it, game over. 372 00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:42,466 So literally... I'm on the edge. 373 00:18:54,754 --> 00:18:59,759 In English law, historic buildings can be listed. 374 00:18:59,793 --> 00:19:02,624 That means they're protectedfor historic purposes. 375 00:19:02,658 --> 00:19:05,247 Grade 1 is St Paul's. 376 00:19:05,282 --> 00:19:08,181 You know, you can't even breathe on that structure, 377 00:19:08,216 --> 00:19:10,632 without filling in a form in triplicate and 378 00:19:10,666 --> 00:19:11,978 being denied six times. 379 00:19:12,185 --> 00:19:15,154 Grade two is the most common 380 00:19:15,188 --> 00:19:18,950 and it basically means that whatever is considered 381 00:19:18,985 --> 00:19:20,366 to be of historic value 382 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,818 cannot be altered or knocked down without approval. 383 00:19:24,853 --> 00:19:26,786 Wow, so Rom can't be bulldozed? 384 00:19:27,062 --> 00:19:28,167 Oh, that's wonderful! 385 00:19:31,411 --> 00:19:34,449 You can't really consider a building for listing until 386 00:19:34,483 --> 00:19:36,313 it's about 30 years old. 387 00:19:36,658 --> 00:19:39,488 So skate parks for a start, fit very much within 388 00:19:39,523 --> 00:19:41,283 that 1970's bracket. 389 00:19:41,732 --> 00:19:44,493 Simon Inglis at English Heritage gave me a call 390 00:19:44,528 --> 00:19:47,979 and said, "We're thinking of listing a 391 00:19:48,014 --> 00:19:50,189 skate park in England," 392 00:19:50,223 --> 00:19:53,330 "and we're thinking of listing Harrow skate park." 393 00:19:53,537 --> 00:19:56,885 "So do you think this is a good idea and 394 00:19:56,919 --> 00:19:58,404 have we got the right skate park?" 395 00:19:58,438 --> 00:20:01,786 So I said, "Well, my short answer is yes and no. 396 00:20:01,821 --> 00:20:05,031 Yes, it's a good idea, but also,you've got the wrong one". 397 00:20:10,347 --> 00:20:14,074 The first skate park that I wentto in my professional capacity 398 00:20:14,109 --> 00:20:16,732 was the Harrow skate park. 399 00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:18,734 A local authority skate park, 400 00:20:19,183 --> 00:20:23,049 from a historical and anwhich to me was very interesting 401 00:20:23,083 --> 00:20:24,050 architectural point of view. 402 00:20:24,084 --> 00:20:27,812 because it had many of the elements of a 403 00:20:27,847 --> 00:20:29,918 classic 1970s skate park. 404 00:20:30,298 --> 00:20:32,023 But it was clear to me that there had been 405 00:20:32,058 --> 00:20:33,162 certain changes 406 00:20:33,197 --> 00:20:35,303 certain adaptations, some of the bits had been 407 00:20:35,337 --> 00:20:36,338 filled in, and so on. 408 00:20:37,443 --> 00:20:39,168 My last trip, I remember visiting the Harrow 409 00:20:39,203 --> 00:20:40,515 skate park which... 410 00:20:41,378 --> 00:20:44,139 Really, it was reminiscent of when I started skating. 411 00:20:44,173 --> 00:20:46,037 And there were, you know, a handful of old 412 00:20:46,072 --> 00:20:47,142 '70s parks still around 413 00:20:47,176 --> 00:20:48,212 That was 1980. 414 00:20:49,006 --> 00:20:50,973 And that was my first experience in skate parks and 415 00:20:51,008 --> 00:20:52,251 really with skateboarding. 416 00:20:52,285 --> 00:20:54,977 And so when I see one of those spaces, you know, one of 417 00:20:55,012 --> 00:20:57,048 these sort of heritage spaces, 418 00:20:57,083 --> 00:21:00,293 it brings back a lot of memoriesand great feelings, you know. 419 00:21:00,535 --> 00:21:02,433 At that time skate parks weren't perfect, 420 00:21:02,468 --> 00:21:03,192 but in a way like, 421 00:21:03,676 --> 00:21:06,644 you associated the imperfections of the skate park 422 00:21:06,679 --> 00:21:07,714 to part of his character. 423 00:21:07,749 --> 00:21:10,993 And of course talking to skateboarding people. 424 00:21:11,028 --> 00:21:14,203 The words 'Rom skatepark' come up repeatedly. 425 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,278 Romford to us, was we travelled miles to come here. 426 00:21:19,312 --> 00:21:21,280 [Mecca] This is a Mecca for us. 427 00:21:21,728 --> 00:21:24,283 Coaches, buses, trains. 428 00:21:24,317 --> 00:21:26,250 However we could get here, we'd get here. 429 00:21:26,837 --> 00:21:29,288 So the key thing was to 430 00:21:29,322 --> 00:21:31,186 find examples of skate park that were both 431 00:21:31,773 --> 00:21:36,467 interesting and well designed and that had survived. 432 00:21:36,502 --> 00:21:37,710 And this was the most important thing, 433 00:21:37,744 --> 00:21:39,367 that had survived intact. 434 00:21:39,574 --> 00:21:43,094 And the Rom skatepark immediately came to the 435 00:21:43,129 --> 00:21:44,579 top of of that list. 436 00:21:45,062 --> 00:21:49,031 And the skate park of course, is not a park in 437 00:21:49,066 --> 00:21:50,447 the conventional sense, 438 00:21:50,826 --> 00:21:54,002 but it's not a building in the conventional sense. 439 00:21:54,589 --> 00:21:58,765 It's a bit of concrete that follows the contours 440 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,974 of the designer's pattern. 441 00:22:01,009 --> 00:22:05,772 So in that sense, it is truly a designed landscape, 442 00:22:06,635 --> 00:22:08,188 but it's built out of concrete. 443 00:22:08,672 --> 00:22:11,122 The people in charge of designation of listing at 444 00:22:11,157 --> 00:22:12,261 English heritage 445 00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:16,265 haven't really come across anything like this before. 446 00:22:16,645 --> 00:22:18,440 You skate a park like this, and it's not just about 447 00:22:18,475 --> 00:22:19,648 skating individual features. 448 00:22:19,683 --> 00:22:22,237 It's skating between them and skating from one end to 449 00:22:22,271 --> 00:22:23,997 the other and then moving from one to the other. 450 00:22:24,032 --> 00:22:26,724 And you just build this experience and 451 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:28,554 probably every time you come here trying to mix up the order 452 00:22:28,588 --> 00:22:30,383 and you mix up the direction you go in 453 00:22:30,418 --> 00:22:32,592 and you just, you know, if you have a whole different 454 00:22:32,627 --> 00:22:33,628 experience every time. 455 00:22:33,662 --> 00:22:35,250 And you know, it's just... it's just amazing. 456 00:22:35,664 --> 00:22:38,391 It's not a cathedral, it's not a monastery. 457 00:22:38,978 --> 00:22:40,600 It's not a great house. 458 00:22:40,842 --> 00:22:43,569 It's about fun. It's about recreation. 459 00:22:43,914 --> 00:22:47,573 So when I thought about listing a skate park, 460 00:22:47,607 --> 00:22:50,161 I knew that I would be testing the boundaries. 461 00:22:50,196 --> 00:22:53,130 Heritage is not about history. 462 00:22:53,924 --> 00:23:00,102 It's about what we consider tobe important about our history. 463 00:23:00,896 --> 00:23:06,212 Clearly what we value about our heritage now in the 464 00:23:06,246 --> 00:23:07,282 beginning of the 21st century 465 00:23:07,316 --> 00:23:11,182 is different to what people valued 466 00:23:11,217 --> 00:23:14,462 in the fifties or the sixties orthe seventies and so on. 467 00:23:15,117 --> 00:23:17,879 It moves on as we move on. 468 00:23:18,293 --> 00:23:20,640 So coming here today was kind of reminder, 469 00:23:20,675 --> 00:23:23,402 a throwback to when I was younger and more energetic. 470 00:23:23,609 --> 00:23:25,576 Kind of gave me that thrill of when I first 471 00:23:25,611 --> 00:23:26,612 started skating parks, 472 00:23:26,853 --> 00:23:28,130 back in... Way back when. 473 00:23:28,648 --> 00:23:32,134 And so when I proposed the skate park for listing, 474 00:23:32,169 --> 00:23:35,655 just thinking this is going to test the boundaries, 475 00:23:36,069 --> 00:23:38,417 but at the same time feeling, no, this is important. 476 00:23:38,658 --> 00:23:40,936 This is a sport that was established in the '70s, 477 00:23:41,661 --> 00:23:43,663 and has taken root in this country. 478 00:23:45,182 --> 00:23:47,943 At the same time, I thought this is going to be a battle. 479 00:23:48,703 --> 00:23:52,154 One is fighting battles the whole time, uphill battles 480 00:23:52,189 --> 00:23:53,501 to preserve buildings 481 00:23:53,535 --> 00:23:56,642 and I'll be honest, we lose more than we win. 482 00:23:56,849 --> 00:23:58,885 People see dollar signs, probably flattening it 483 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,129 and turning into housing or something like that. 484 00:24:01,163 --> 00:24:06,030 and so there's always this sort of struggle to keep skate 485 00:24:06,065 --> 00:24:08,067 parks sort of alive really. 486 00:24:08,999 --> 00:24:13,624 At the same time we found that,of course, there were people 487 00:24:13,659 --> 00:24:14,729 working now for English Heritage 488 00:24:15,074 --> 00:24:17,594 who had skateboarded in their youth. 489 00:24:19,078 --> 00:24:21,149 And instead of looking at this proposal and saying 490 00:24:21,183 --> 00:24:24,842 "Come on guys, we can't do this, there's going to be all 491 00:24:24,877 --> 00:24:26,775 sorts of opposition to this". 492 00:24:27,293 --> 00:24:29,778 They were saying "Yeah, we get this." 493 00:24:31,193 --> 00:24:33,575 And that's the bottom line really that BMX and 494 00:24:33,610 --> 00:24:35,094 skateboarding and all these places and going to Rom, 495 00:24:35,128 --> 00:24:36,544 it was about having fun, you know. 496 00:24:36,578 --> 00:24:37,441 We were enjoying it. 497 00:24:37,924 --> 00:24:40,686 It's an amazing life to to be able to do that. 498 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,654 To come here and have the Mogul Bowls and have all 499 00:24:43,689 --> 00:24:44,966 the different concrete waves 500 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,865 and meet with these other different skaters and be 501 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:49,073 influenced and inspired by 502 00:24:49,108 --> 00:24:51,213 the latest tricks, things that were going on. 503 00:24:51,248 --> 00:24:52,456 The films that were coming out. 504 00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:55,666 I mean Rom skatepark really was a place where 505 00:24:55,701 --> 00:24:56,598 dreams were made of 506 00:24:56,633 --> 00:24:58,427 if you were that age and into skating. 507 00:25:11,544 --> 00:25:13,512 There are certain type of people, they are. 508 00:25:13,926 --> 00:25:15,272 The Romblians I'll call them. 509 00:25:15,652 --> 00:25:18,344 Skate park communities overall, is they're 510 00:25:18,378 --> 00:25:19,103 largely without class, 511 00:25:19,138 --> 00:25:20,760 largely without racism, 512 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:22,382 bigotry and so forth. 513 00:25:22,417 --> 00:25:24,350 There's not a lot of that inside a skate park. 514 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,008 Because we tend to find that our priorities are different. 515 00:25:27,387 --> 00:25:29,355 The priorities tend to be, 516 00:25:29,631 --> 00:25:32,634 people are much more interested in keeping their 517 00:25:32,669 --> 00:25:34,567 bones inside of their skin, 518 00:25:34,602 --> 00:25:37,225 and their teeth inside of theirmouth. Rather than leaving 519 00:25:37,259 --> 00:25:38,675 them on the bottom of the ramp. 520 00:25:38,985 --> 00:25:40,228 They like rough surface. 521 00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:43,783 That's all I can say. 522 00:25:44,301 --> 00:25:45,820 You know, this place is a predator. 523 00:25:45,854 --> 00:25:47,166 The Skate park is your predator. 524 00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:49,202 And you're the pray, man, 525 00:25:49,237 --> 00:25:50,721 and some days it'll let you get away of it. 526 00:25:50,756 --> 00:25:53,759 Other days it will chew you up and spit you out. 527 00:25:54,104 --> 00:25:56,175 And you've got to be scared of it. 528 00:25:56,382 --> 00:25:58,177 If you come here and you're notscared of it, you're an idiot. 529 00:25:58,522 --> 00:25:59,558 Because you're going to get hurt. 530 00:26:05,391 --> 00:26:06,461 'Rom Rash' 531 00:26:06,495 --> 00:26:07,876 I don't know what it was like back in the day. 532 00:26:07,911 --> 00:26:09,429 It must've been a lot smoother back then. 533 00:26:09,464 --> 00:26:11,328 If you go down at Rom, you stay down down. 534 00:26:12,536 --> 00:26:13,537 [You alright?] 535 00:26:14,538 --> 00:26:19,992 [INAUDIBLE] 536 00:26:21,856 --> 00:26:23,582 Soon as you look out the door, there's a pool. 537 00:26:24,203 --> 00:26:25,929 Jesus Christ, look at that, you know. 538 00:26:27,206 --> 00:26:29,380 You know, you go in and you think, right i'm just going to 539 00:26:29,415 --> 00:26:32,245 go in there easy today cause I know it took a lot of victims. 540 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,971 They always do, pools. 541 00:26:34,006 --> 00:26:35,145 You lose yourself. It's like a madness. 542 00:26:35,835 --> 00:26:37,768 You just go in there and just fighting these walls. 543 00:26:37,803 --> 00:26:39,252 And just think, oh i'll have you. 544 00:26:39,287 --> 00:26:41,634 In your head, you just feel I had to do that to you. 545 00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:44,775 You know, it was like it gets personal when you're 546 00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:45,845 in these pools, you know. 547 00:26:46,156 --> 00:26:50,022 Just want to rip them up a bit and get your 'Ugh' out of you. 548 00:26:52,162 --> 00:26:54,509 People always go in thinking they'll rip the shit out of them, you know. 549 00:26:54,543 --> 00:26:58,133 It basically it backfires on them, somewhere along the line. 550 00:27:02,068 --> 00:27:04,830 In the pool, I broke my wristwhen I was about twelve in '87. 551 00:27:05,106 --> 00:27:07,142 Compound breaks - Bones sticking out. 552 00:27:07,384 --> 00:27:08,557 Face first into the ramp, 553 00:27:08,592 --> 00:27:10,111 his teeth literally popped up on the deck. 554 00:27:10,318 --> 00:27:12,596 No 'Hampsteads'eleven years later. 555 00:27:12,872 --> 00:27:14,667 Knocked myself out, knocked my teeth out. 556 00:27:14,702 --> 00:27:16,255 I've had nine knee surgeries. 557 00:27:16,289 --> 00:27:19,258 Broke my hand, broke my elbow and foot. 558 00:27:19,707 --> 00:27:21,778 I've got severe arthritis in both knees. 559 00:27:22,088 --> 00:27:23,642 Heart! On many occasions. 560 00:27:23,849 --> 00:27:26,058 It doesn't stop me riding unless I ride three or 561 00:27:26,092 --> 00:27:28,577 four times a week and then I'm hobbling everywhere. 562 00:27:28,888 --> 00:27:30,649 If you come to a place like this and you get on 563 00:27:30,683 --> 00:27:32,858 a bike or a skateboard, you've got one in the post. 564 00:27:33,479 --> 00:27:35,654 If you're scared of it, that's when it's gonna happen 565 00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:37,276 and you shouldn't be here. 566 00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:39,174 You gotta have a bit of a kamikaze way about you and 567 00:27:39,209 --> 00:27:41,176 in you, to want to do it and not be scared of slamming. 568 00:27:41,211 --> 00:27:42,937 When you relax it don't happen as much you know. 569 00:27:42,971 --> 00:27:43,765 And even if it does... 570 00:27:44,697 --> 00:27:45,491 Tough shit. 571 00:27:45,525 --> 00:27:46,526 Brush yourself off, try again. 572 00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:50,323 If I've been hurt and I can't skate for a couple of weeks, 573 00:27:50,358 --> 00:27:51,324 It's so frustrating. 574 00:27:51,704 --> 00:27:55,328 My wife will tell me, "For fucksake. Go and skate. Go to Rom". 575 00:27:56,295 --> 00:27:57,158 [See you later Adam!] 576 00:27:58,193 --> 00:27:59,091 [See you later mate!] 577 00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:00,299 [Love you, take care!] 578 00:28:04,096 --> 00:28:07,893 When I left school, worked at Halfords, nicked a few stereos. 579 00:28:08,928 --> 00:28:10,343 I want to work in a skate park. 580 00:28:10,619 --> 00:28:11,690 It's not a proper job. 581 00:28:12,414 --> 00:28:13,312 What's a proper job? 582 00:28:13,553 --> 00:28:16,487 Like what? Grow up and be an adult. Fuck that. 583 00:28:16,522 --> 00:28:18,524 I didn't want to grow up. I wanted to be Peter Pan, 584 00:28:19,076 --> 00:28:20,112 and this was Never Never Land. 585 00:28:20,906 --> 00:28:21,700 And still is. 586 00:28:24,254 --> 00:28:27,706 There was a family vibe to it. Endless days of skating 587 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:28,603 and it didn't cost... 588 00:28:28,983 --> 00:28:31,088 All it cost you as a pot noodle and a couple of Cherry 589 00:28:31,123 --> 00:28:32,158 Cokes really wasn't it? 590 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,126 So there was that little bit of one-upmanship, you know. 591 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,095 Who could do the best trick with the best poise, 592 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:39,718 elegance and dexterity? 593 00:28:39,752 --> 00:28:42,168 Dressed in the best clothing, you know, with 594 00:28:42,203 --> 00:28:44,308 The best floppy-ist fringed hair cut you could have 595 00:28:44,343 --> 00:28:45,793 got at the time as well. 596 00:28:47,035 --> 00:28:50,038 Romford has been my local, yeah, for 35 years, like 597 00:28:50,073 --> 00:28:50,970 my entire adult life. 598 00:28:51,212 --> 00:28:53,904 You know, and all my teenage years. 599 00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:55,941 Romford was the place that I always wanted to come to 600 00:28:55,975 --> 00:28:56,976 no matter what. 601 00:28:58,633 --> 00:29:00,911 I don't know what it is about Romford. 602 00:29:00,946 --> 00:29:01,912 It's just, I don't know. 603 00:29:02,257 --> 00:29:04,328 Like you know, I'll have my ashes scattered here probably. 604 00:29:04,363 --> 00:29:09,299 It's one of those places. It's just part of who I am really. 605 00:29:11,404 --> 00:29:12,923 I couldn't drive past here and not come in. 606 00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:14,131 I don't think my car would let me. 607 00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:15,961 I would have to go the long way round. 608 00:29:17,238 --> 00:29:18,929 I'd be fighting the steering wheel! 609 00:29:18,964 --> 00:29:20,206 I love the place. 610 00:29:20,241 --> 00:29:22,381 I don't know what I would have done if it wasn't for Rom. 611 00:29:22,968 --> 00:29:23,969 I really don't. 612 00:29:24,417 --> 00:29:26,972 Lot of the people I work with and associated with, 613 00:29:27,006 --> 00:29:28,490 were up to no good lot of the time. 614 00:29:28,525 --> 00:29:30,009 I think I would have found myself dragged into that. 615 00:29:30,044 --> 00:29:31,597 It's kept me on the straight and narrow really. 616 00:29:31,631 --> 00:29:32,805 It really did, you know. 617 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,634 I've the best and the worst days of my life over here. 618 00:29:37,327 --> 00:29:39,225 We were pretty poor. 619 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:40,951 I remember coming over here in my P.E shorts and 620 00:29:40,986 --> 00:29:41,987 Georgie Best's football boots. 621 00:29:42,919 --> 00:29:45,197 But, yeah... Rom! 622 00:29:45,818 --> 00:29:46,543 This is home. 623 00:29:47,026 --> 00:29:48,959 It's not like, Oh, this is my second home. 624 00:29:48,994 --> 00:29:51,962 This is my first home and has been forever. 625 00:29:51,997 --> 00:29:54,171 You build up a family. There's a community. 626 00:29:54,206 --> 00:29:55,345 I lost my mom young... 627 00:29:56,035 --> 00:29:58,175 And remember the day I lost her, the first thing I'd done, 628 00:29:58,210 --> 00:30:01,523 two hours after her dying in the hospital, was come here. 629 00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:03,422 And everyone's like, why is he here? 630 00:30:03,456 --> 00:30:04,595 Where else could you go? 631 00:30:05,182 --> 00:30:08,013 I didn't want to be at home with my family. I wanted to be here with my family. 632 00:30:08,047 --> 00:30:10,049 Because people just kind of let you get on with it. 633 00:30:10,429 --> 00:30:12,396 He asked me, he said, "You got any photographs 634 00:30:12,431 --> 00:30:13,190 and things like that?" 635 00:30:13,225 --> 00:30:15,434 I said "Yeah some old photos". 636 00:30:15,779 --> 00:30:18,678 I thought it was going to be abirthday surprise or something. 637 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,130 He's come in one day with this big tattoo on his leg 638 00:30:22,165 --> 00:30:24,063 So I was flabbergasted when I saw it. 639 00:30:25,444 --> 00:30:26,238 [What do you think?] 640 00:30:26,548 --> 00:30:28,757 I thought it was... Weird. 641 00:30:28,792 --> 00:30:30,345 And strange to have it done. 642 00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:33,348 But love and affection to him. He bares his soul, doesn't he. 643 00:30:33,383 --> 00:30:34,522 It's love and affection. 644 00:30:34,556 --> 00:30:36,558 You can be you and you're accepted for it, 645 00:30:36,593 --> 00:30:38,629 which is the beautiful subculture of BMX, 646 00:30:38,664 --> 00:30:40,252 skateboarding, skating whatever. 647 00:30:40,666 --> 00:30:42,944 You kind of, it's come one come all. 648 00:30:42,979 --> 00:30:45,429 There's less judgemental people at a skate park 649 00:30:45,464 --> 00:30:46,499 than there is in a church. 650 00:30:46,534 --> 00:30:48,881 It teaches kids everything in life. 651 00:30:48,916 --> 00:30:51,263 It teaches them, if you want something, you have to 652 00:30:51,297 --> 00:30:52,333 work towards a goal. 653 00:30:52,609 --> 00:30:55,267 It embeds a life philosophy in children that you can't buy. 654 00:30:56,578 --> 00:31:00,755 The era that grew up in skateparks have that thing 655 00:31:00,789 --> 00:31:02,550 about their skatepark. 656 00:31:03,378 --> 00:31:06,865 And it's... You can't shake it. 657 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,558 Guys I know from Rom, I've known my whole life. 658 00:31:10,834 --> 00:31:13,147 Me and my wife been together eight, nine years now. 659 00:31:13,699 --> 00:31:16,322 We actually met through this.Wemet through her daughter, 660 00:31:16,357 --> 00:31:18,393 her youngest daughter,Charlotte came over here, 661 00:31:18,428 --> 00:31:19,429 started skating with us. 662 00:31:19,774 --> 00:31:20,948 It's actually how I met her! 663 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,952 Rom was a real mixture ofdifferent types of people. 664 00:31:24,986 --> 00:31:28,990 But they were pretty... I'd say peaceful if 665 00:31:29,025 --> 00:31:30,026 you, like, you know. 666 00:31:30,578 --> 00:31:32,131 Pretty rad as well. 667 00:31:32,166 --> 00:31:33,822 Some guys there that could just skate. 668 00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:35,790 Yeah my first time I come down Rom... 669 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,758 And there was a guy in the tiniest velvet shorts. 670 00:31:38,793 --> 00:31:40,312 Skating the pool and that was it. 671 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,417 Ragging around the pool, front-side grinds. 672 00:31:42,452 --> 00:31:43,384 No one else there man. 673 00:31:43,591 --> 00:31:44,523 Beautiful. 674 00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:47,112 Absolutely amazing. 675 00:31:47,388 --> 00:31:48,527 It must have been Graham. 676 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:51,737 It's the only thing I can say,it's got to have been Graham. 677 00:31:54,602 --> 00:31:56,811 Graham's unique, he's got his own style. 678 00:31:56,845 --> 00:32:00,573 He's got a very surfy style skater, which I like. 679 00:32:00,884 --> 00:32:03,093 You know, that kind of old school skating 680 00:32:03,128 --> 00:32:06,545 is hard to replicate unless it comes naturally. 681 00:32:06,786 --> 00:32:09,375 It took me a little while to getused to his sarcasm, I think. 682 00:32:09,410 --> 00:32:11,101 But everyone knows about that. His little rants, 683 00:32:11,136 --> 00:32:12,413 you know what I mean? 684 00:32:15,416 --> 00:32:18,143 The main thing I know aboutDion is that he's always at Rom. 685 00:32:18,488 --> 00:32:21,870 I don't think I've ever been at Rom when Dion isn't there. 686 00:32:22,595 --> 00:32:25,771 He's in there, I mean, he's already defining 687 00:32:25,805 --> 00:32:28,912 so many things, you know, causeyou know, he had a bad accident. 688 00:32:30,155 --> 00:32:33,537 I fell off a scaffold, broke my ankle, knee and hip. 689 00:32:33,572 --> 00:32:35,401 I was off work about 18 months. 690 00:32:35,608 --> 00:32:37,334 I was registered disabledfor a while. 691 00:32:37,369 --> 00:32:39,060 They told me I'd probably never going to walk without stick. 692 00:32:39,095 --> 00:32:42,236 And say, probably in 10 years you're probably be in a chair. 693 00:32:42,581 --> 00:32:44,583 17 years later, I'm still going strong, 694 00:32:44,617 --> 00:32:45,480 so I proved them wrong. 695 00:32:45,894 --> 00:32:47,068 He's grinding that pool and that. 696 00:32:47,103 --> 00:32:48,932 It's actually unbelievable. 697 00:32:49,277 --> 00:32:50,969 You know, that is a story on it's own. 698 00:32:53,109 --> 00:32:55,249 You know, some people call it like a midlife 699 00:32:55,283 --> 00:32:56,422 crisis don't they? 700 00:32:56,457 --> 00:32:58,010 You know what I mean? 701 00:32:58,045 --> 00:32:59,598 You're either... Some people are unfaithful aren't they? 702 00:32:59,943 --> 00:33:04,223 You know with me, I think itwas back to the boys with toys. 703 00:33:05,535 --> 00:33:09,401 You know, I've been a father, I'm been working for all these years, 704 00:33:09,677 --> 00:33:10,678 putting on weight. 705 00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:12,300 I was in a sales job, 706 00:33:13,405 --> 00:33:14,958 and, you know, growing a family and that. 707 00:33:15,234 --> 00:33:18,168 I never really had much of an outlet after that, hobby wise. 708 00:33:18,203 --> 00:33:21,033 Once I had given up the pubs and the clubs, and the raving and all that. 709 00:33:21,068 --> 00:33:22,241 It you know what I mean. 710 00:33:22,276 --> 00:33:24,726 I had a lump in the side of my face here. 711 00:33:24,761 --> 00:33:29,041 I went up there to the hospitaland they told me, yeah, you 712 00:33:29,076 --> 00:33:30,629 have got Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, 713 00:33:30,663 --> 00:33:32,217 which is like a really bad one. 714 00:33:33,252 --> 00:33:36,221 Obviously. I was quite upset when I was told that but, 715 00:33:36,255 --> 00:33:37,670 mainly thought of my kids to be honest, 716 00:33:37,705 --> 00:33:40,432 You know you do, don't you, when you hear bad news. 717 00:33:42,848 --> 00:33:45,851 Got fixed after that time and just ended up with a big 718 00:33:45,885 --> 00:33:48,336 'Mars Bar' down the back of my face. 719 00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:51,098 And I thought, you know, I've got to try and live again. 720 00:33:53,065 --> 00:33:54,618 Yeah, when growing up and everything and I was 721 00:33:54,653 --> 00:33:55,412 an angry kid, you know. 722 00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:57,621 All the boys I rode with back in the day, you know, I'd 723 00:33:57,656 --> 00:33:58,657 be like throwing my bike... 724 00:33:58,691 --> 00:34:00,486 F you, F this, F that and everything. 725 00:34:00,521 --> 00:34:01,867 So angry at the world. 726 00:34:03,075 --> 00:34:05,491 I'd been adopted, I'd been nurtured, I'd been 727 00:34:05,526 --> 00:34:06,527 given love and affection. 728 00:34:06,768 --> 00:34:09,288 But I still had this rage inside me. 729 00:34:09,323 --> 00:34:11,152 We were just running around lawless, 730 00:34:11,187 --> 00:34:14,328 but we wasn't horrible little fuckers at 731 00:34:14,362 --> 00:34:16,054 the same times, you know. 732 00:34:17,262 --> 00:34:19,643 We'd grown up in a Thatcherite Britain 733 00:34:19,678 --> 00:34:22,784 and what Thatcher taught us was you be the best you can be... 734 00:34:23,647 --> 00:34:25,684 But use everyone beneath you as a stepladder. 735 00:34:26,305 --> 00:34:29,377 I had sort of associated skateboarding with being very 736 00:34:29,412 --> 00:34:34,313 noisy and to certain extent sort of quite them and us. 737 00:34:34,969 --> 00:34:37,696 I was nice and I was white and I was polite. 738 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:40,285 I was described as like thetriple threat. 739 00:34:40,561 --> 00:34:42,252 Hold my hands up. I was a bloody good shoplifter 740 00:34:42,287 --> 00:34:43,115 when I was a kid. 741 00:34:43,357 --> 00:34:44,841 And that's how I earned extra pocket money. 742 00:34:45,255 --> 00:34:47,395 People wouldn't even turn their heads and 743 00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:48,431 look at ya, you know so. 744 00:34:48,914 --> 00:34:49,811 Well... Yeah. 745 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,540 There is very much a sort of sense that they come from a 746 00:34:54,575 --> 00:34:58,820 subculture of which you as a passer-by can't really enter. 747 00:35:01,651 --> 00:35:04,757 I'm a 58 year old, born again skater. 748 00:35:05,241 --> 00:35:07,898 There's a whole fraternity out there of people of varying 749 00:35:07,933 --> 00:35:08,934 ages. It's okay to skate. 750 00:35:08,968 --> 00:35:10,832 And that's what I really like about this place. 751 00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:13,732 It's a big mix of people. It's a very large college 752 00:35:13,766 --> 00:35:14,767 if you like, of individuals. 753 00:35:15,251 --> 00:35:16,735 Very eclectic group. 754 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,979 Oh, like a family community of like Rom and all the 755 00:35:20,014 --> 00:35:21,360 locals who come here. 756 00:35:23,431 --> 00:35:24,812 More than friends, really. 757 00:35:25,468 --> 00:35:28,540 You get people from all backgrounds and walks 758 00:35:28,574 --> 00:35:29,610 of life who do it. 759 00:35:29,886 --> 00:35:33,614 Right now I'm in media, so I do a lot of video production, 760 00:35:33,648 --> 00:35:37,859 events and we also have film studios in Las Vegas. 761 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,552 So I'm a contracts manager now, and I'll deal with 762 00:35:40,586 --> 00:35:41,346 scaffolders all day. 763 00:35:42,312 --> 00:35:44,072 A lot of them are like cavemen. They've got no understanding 764 00:35:44,107 --> 00:35:45,557 or appreciation for anything like that. 765 00:35:45,764 --> 00:35:48,525 I'm a carer. I do one to one care for disabled and 766 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,388 mentally handicapped people. 767 00:35:49,837 --> 00:35:53,185 I'm a senior examiner for the Civil Aviation Authority. 768 00:35:53,461 --> 00:35:56,326 So I'm flying the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. 769 00:35:56,361 --> 00:35:59,398 Full time occupation, nine to five Mac engineer. 770 00:36:00,537 --> 00:36:02,401 Nonetheless, there's this idea that what you do outside 771 00:36:02,436 --> 00:36:03,575 of your job 772 00:36:03,609 --> 00:36:07,234 is compensation for the things that you put up with 773 00:36:07,268 --> 00:36:08,269 within your job. 774 00:36:08,994 --> 00:36:13,481 Where I give so much of myselfto my job and the people I've 775 00:36:13,516 --> 00:36:14,827 worked for, and support I give. 776 00:36:15,552 --> 00:36:18,659 There has got to be a point where I've got 777 00:36:18,693 --> 00:36:20,385 to become myself again. 778 00:36:20,695 --> 00:36:23,077 I thought it would be nice to just dabble and have 779 00:36:23,111 --> 00:36:24,147 a skate now and again, 780 00:36:24,458 --> 00:36:26,908 but it's not like that. It getsunder your skin before you know 781 00:36:26,943 --> 00:36:27,978 it, you're hooked ain't you? 782 00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:30,602 You know, I'm over here mostdays. I can't help it, you know. 783 00:36:31,258 --> 00:36:33,191 I'll pull up on a job andopen my boot up and my 784 00:36:33,225 --> 00:36:34,053 skateboard's always there 785 00:36:34,088 --> 00:36:35,331 You know, I take it wherever I go. 786 00:36:36,055 --> 00:36:37,195 "What the bloody hells that?" 787 00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:38,506 It's a skateboard! 788 00:36:38,541 --> 00:36:40,059 "Oh! What are you going to get for Christmas? An Action Man?" 789 00:36:40,094 --> 00:36:42,234 [Now with eagle eyes that actually move!] 790 00:36:42,683 --> 00:36:45,030 [Look out all these fantastic uniforms specially 791 00:36:45,064 --> 00:36:46,721 designed for Action Man]. 792 00:36:46,756 --> 00:36:48,413 [And his eagle eyes!] 793 00:36:49,552 --> 00:36:51,036 Really taking the piss, you know! 794 00:36:51,312 --> 00:36:53,418 I'm like whatever... I don't even try and defend it 795 00:36:53,452 --> 00:36:54,488 anymore. It's just like... 796 00:36:54,902 --> 00:36:58,319 The chap from English Heritage,one of their buildings inspectors. 797 00:36:58,354 --> 00:37:01,391 And I just noticed there was a Rom skatepark sticker 798 00:37:01,426 --> 00:37:02,427 on his guitar case. 799 00:37:02,461 --> 00:37:04,291 And he said, "Oh yeah, it's great, isn't it?" 800 00:37:05,637 --> 00:37:07,501 And this is the guy whospends hours looking around 801 00:37:07,535 --> 00:37:10,711 archaeological sites and lookingold cathedrals and things. 802 00:37:10,918 --> 00:37:12,022 It is mainstream. 803 00:37:12,057 --> 00:37:14,646 And that's certainly, I think that's certainly 804 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:15,612 the case with skateboarding 805 00:37:15,647 --> 00:37:17,718 and the whole kind of creativity of it. 806 00:37:17,994 --> 00:37:21,273 You know, people make films, they do photography, 807 00:37:21,308 --> 00:37:24,690 they do tattoos, they make boards, 808 00:37:24,725 --> 00:37:26,174 they run board companies. 809 00:37:26,623 --> 00:37:30,282 You know, often alongside their kind of regular jobs. 810 00:37:30,317 --> 00:37:34,044 So it's not just skateboardingitself, it's the creative stuff 811 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,634 that goes with skateboardingas well that attracts people. 812 00:37:37,669 --> 00:37:39,671 You know, someone like Monkeyglove Matt. 813 00:37:39,705 --> 00:37:42,743 No idea what he does for his day job, 814 00:37:42,777 --> 00:37:45,470 but he takes really great pictures and 815 00:37:45,504 --> 00:37:46,540 a lot of them at Rom. 816 00:37:46,885 --> 00:37:49,888 So for him, part of presumably the attraction of skateboarding 817 00:37:49,922 --> 00:37:55,100 is not just the skateboarding itself, but the photography around it. 818 00:37:55,134 --> 00:37:58,103 What I really enjoy about it isthat it's capturing that moment. 819 00:37:58,137 --> 00:38:00,519 I almost want to look throughlens. I kind of want toget in there 820 00:38:00,554 --> 00:38:02,901 and I have been hit a couple of times, 821 00:38:03,177 --> 00:38:05,110 which strangely enough, in a weird way I enjoy. 822 00:38:05,144 --> 00:38:07,388 So there's also a bit of a sadomasochistic element to it. 823 00:38:07,423 --> 00:38:09,528 But I guess it's part of, for me, 824 00:38:09,563 --> 00:38:12,669 it's the skater getting that trick, landing that 825 00:38:12,704 --> 00:38:16,052 trick and being able to just capture that moment for them, 826 00:38:16,328 --> 00:38:19,055 is something that I just really enjoy. 827 00:38:22,403 --> 00:38:24,957 Skateboarding now, it's got quite a strong identity. 828 00:38:24,992 --> 00:38:28,340 It didn't then, you brought Dunlop green flash or baseball 829 00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:29,203 boots from Woolworths. 830 00:38:29,790 --> 00:38:31,895 That's what you skated in you because we could only 831 00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:33,172 dream of Vans, you know. 832 00:38:33,449 --> 00:38:36,141 That skate world is sort of, really kind of dictated 833 00:38:36,175 --> 00:38:37,245 whole sneaker culture 834 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,041 and streetwear, street fashion, from sneakers to 835 00:38:40,076 --> 00:38:42,596 graffiti, and to a certain extent, even a lot of music, 836 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:47,325 has been influenced by that kind of freedom of expression 837 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:48,395 that skateboarding is. 838 00:38:48,636 --> 00:38:50,983 It's a massive thing, isn't it? There's a music culture, 839 00:38:51,018 --> 00:38:53,400 there's a fashion, there's a language, there's lots of 840 00:38:53,434 --> 00:38:56,334 aspects to skateboarding. 841 00:38:59,544 --> 00:39:03,133 Well, this weekend we have the unique experience of the 842 00:39:03,168 --> 00:39:06,930 20th anniversary of the first piece that was done here at 843 00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:07,759 the Lakeside hall of fame, 844 00:39:07,793 --> 00:39:09,795 also known as the concrete gallery. 845 00:39:10,002 --> 00:39:13,558 The first piece was done in August, 1999 by myself. 846 00:39:14,213 --> 00:39:18,977 Been heavily involved in the English graffiti scene since 1983. 847 00:39:20,116 --> 00:39:24,258 Been a massive collector of anything 1980s from clothing 848 00:39:24,292 --> 00:39:25,293 to BMX bikes to music. 849 00:39:27,192 --> 00:39:29,850 I get involved. I like to get involved. Yeah. 850 00:39:29,884 --> 00:39:32,128 I'm all or nothing. I'm all or nothing. Yeah. 851 00:39:33,025 --> 00:39:36,374 There's a strong bond betweenart and music. 852 00:39:36,408 --> 00:39:38,686 It's like a stick of rock. It runs straight through the middle. 853 00:39:38,721 --> 00:39:42,380 You know, Ted Nugent, Led Zepplin and it was like [SCREECH] 854 00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:46,176 Blondie and Devo and it was like wow. And it was 855 00:39:46,211 --> 00:39:48,558 like, this is our thing. 856 00:39:48,593 --> 00:39:51,768 Skateboarding said this was our thing and skate parks, all 857 00:39:51,803 --> 00:39:53,667 it did was blast that music. 858 00:39:56,635 --> 00:40:00,881 I think it's a really great match with skateboarding, art, 859 00:40:00,915 --> 00:40:02,434 street art, skateboarding, 860 00:40:02,469 --> 00:40:05,333 and the whole ethos of skateboarding. The do it 861 00:40:05,368 --> 00:40:06,196 yourself thing, 862 00:40:06,231 --> 00:40:07,474 graphics on the bottom of boards. 863 00:40:07,508 --> 00:40:10,546 I think it's a really nice thingthat works together. You know, 864 00:40:12,548 --> 00:40:15,792 I think skateboarding really is like a school of hard knocks 865 00:40:15,827 --> 00:40:16,828 and you've got to try, try, try. 866 00:40:16,862 --> 00:40:19,140 You keep getting battered into the ground until 867 00:40:19,175 --> 00:40:20,176 you get it right. 868 00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:23,213 And that is a perfect preparation for doing 869 00:40:23,248 --> 00:40:24,249 a piece like this. 870 00:40:24,594 --> 00:40:27,355 You know, there was always a real divide of being 871 00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:28,218 outside and inside 872 00:40:28,253 --> 00:40:30,151 and the barrier of the fence. 873 00:40:30,497 --> 00:40:33,603 I guess the fence is a real, not so much an inspiration, 874 00:40:33,638 --> 00:40:36,019 but it's a really big bit of Rom, you know, that divide 875 00:40:36,054 --> 00:40:37,227 from being outside to inside. 876 00:40:37,262 --> 00:40:40,610 And then getting in and havingall this geometry to kind of 877 00:40:40,645 --> 00:40:44,338 discover to be able to carveyour own lines for it, you know. 878 00:40:45,512 --> 00:40:50,068 Freestyle it, free flow aroundthis structure. You know, 879 00:40:50,102 --> 00:40:52,450 that's what really inspiredthe piece. 880 00:40:54,659 --> 00:40:57,247 I have always been an artist, always painted as 881 00:40:57,282 --> 00:40:58,421 a kid like every kid does. 882 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,528 It wasn't until I started skating I became aware of 883 00:41:01,562 --> 00:41:02,977 graffiti and street art. 884 00:41:03,012 --> 00:41:05,290 And that kind of 885 00:41:05,324 --> 00:41:08,466 alternative art scene with like graphics for skateboards and stuff like that. 886 00:41:09,156 --> 00:41:10,951 Yeah, I think they're completely linked. 887 00:41:10,985 --> 00:41:13,850 I started skating when I was about like 10/11 years old 888 00:41:13,885 --> 00:41:15,749 and we used, back then we had no skate parks where I'm 889 00:41:15,783 --> 00:41:16,888 originally from in Cambridge. 890 00:41:17,233 --> 00:41:20,063 So we used to travel around EastAnglia, London, Essex 891 00:41:20,098 --> 00:41:21,513 and go to the skate parksand I remember 892 00:41:21,548 --> 00:41:23,964 my mum bringing me here when Iwas probably about 13 years old. 893 00:41:23,998 --> 00:41:26,518 Yeah, it was pretty intimidating when you're a 894 00:41:26,553 --> 00:41:27,795 kid, this place, you know. 895 00:41:35,113 --> 00:41:37,736 My first childhood memory is my dad throwing me in a fire. 896 00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:41,982 And then at seven years old my dad is beating my mum up. 897 00:41:42,016 --> 00:41:46,089 I ran in with a kitchen knife tostab my dad to protect my mum. 898 00:41:46,124 --> 00:41:48,609 The police and social worker turned up at school and says, 899 00:41:48,644 --> 00:41:51,129 we heard what happened last night. You're coming with us. 900 00:41:51,163 --> 00:41:54,684 That was the 24th of December, 1979 901 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:55,996 Christmas Eve, I got locked up. 902 00:41:56,203 --> 00:41:59,309 I was brought up to, you know,honestly I was a little racist. 903 00:41:59,344 --> 00:42:02,036 The area I grew up in, there was no black kids. 904 00:42:02,278 --> 00:42:04,970 I meet my foster parents and my dad's black. 905 00:42:07,594 --> 00:42:09,527 I used to walk like six metres behind him because 906 00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:11,149 I was so embarrassed with the colour of his skin. 907 00:42:11,183 --> 00:42:13,185 35 years later, he's still my dad. 908 00:42:17,776 --> 00:42:21,262 In BMX, I would say 99.9% of BMX riders went through 909 00:42:21,297 --> 00:42:22,298 tough times. 910 00:42:22,850 --> 00:42:24,783 And same with skateboarders. Same with people that 911 00:42:24,818 --> 00:42:26,164 came to this skate park. 912 00:42:26,405 --> 00:42:28,338 They all came here because this was a sanctuary 913 00:42:28,373 --> 00:42:30,030 and so that's what it's about. 914 00:42:30,306 --> 00:42:33,136 It's not about where you came from. It was about being 915 00:42:33,171 --> 00:42:35,829 in the moment riding that bowl, riding the skate park. 916 00:42:36,312 --> 00:42:39,384 And that's when you can let it all go because you're present. 917 00:42:39,418 --> 00:42:40,834 It's our meditation, really. 918 00:42:41,179 --> 00:42:44,665 So many people I was around had similar backgrounds. 919 00:42:45,114 --> 00:42:49,152 I really did turn all the negative energy ito into positivity. 920 00:42:49,187 --> 00:42:52,397 I mean it's an art form when you're skating or bike riding. 921 00:42:54,468 --> 00:42:55,918 #seratonin# 922 00:42:57,436 --> 00:43:00,301 #swimming around my head# 923 00:43:01,475 --> 00:43:03,270 #seratonin# 924 00:43:05,721 --> 00:43:07,861 #love this pool# 925 00:43:08,793 --> 00:43:11,140 #How am I coping?# 926 00:43:11,865 --> 00:43:15,420 #with the tiles and no water# 927 00:43:16,904 --> 00:43:20,287 Skateboarders are generally, not the outcast, but maybe 928 00:43:20,321 --> 00:43:27,087 they don't fit in with the normal kind of sport. 929 00:43:27,466 --> 00:43:29,848 I'd like to say it was weirdos,at first. 930 00:43:30,331 --> 00:43:31,332 It was weirdos. 931 00:43:33,058 --> 00:43:36,027 Skateboarding is seriously funny. I mean a lot of 932 00:43:36,061 --> 00:43:37,925 is escapism, you know. 933 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,549 Like just that feeling where you're like, you had all 934 00:43:41,584 --> 00:43:43,344 these things you could do. 935 00:43:43,551 --> 00:43:45,036 I think it can be bad and it can be good. 936 00:43:45,312 --> 00:43:47,625 So I don't escape completely. I know it's a joke. 937 00:43:48,833 --> 00:43:50,800 I know it's for the entertainment to 938 00:43:50,835 --> 00:43:53,596 entertain yourself. That's part of it too. 939 00:43:55,046 --> 00:43:56,634 It's something where you do it for yourself. 940 00:43:56,668 --> 00:43:58,636 That's what I love about skating. There's no rules, 941 00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:00,430 nothing you have to achieve. 942 00:44:00,465 --> 00:44:01,639 It's just personal. 943 00:44:05,712 --> 00:44:08,818 Maybe that's why it attracts people of a certain type, 944 00:44:08,853 --> 00:44:14,686 who don't fit into society's, you know, view of normality, 945 00:44:15,066 --> 00:44:16,343 whatever that may be. 946 00:44:16,377 --> 00:44:18,138 More entertaining yourself. 947 00:44:18,172 --> 00:44:23,212 Like you do stupid things andyou see like people react like, 948 00:44:23,384 --> 00:44:26,111 Oh this guy is such a loser. And you're like, 949 00:44:26,146 --> 00:44:29,011 Oh that's great. They think I'm a loser. It's so rad. 950 00:44:29,770 --> 00:44:32,704 Like, it's great. This might be British, 951 00:44:32,739 --> 00:44:35,051 I don't know. Or it might just be childhood, like 952 00:44:35,086 --> 00:44:36,984 weird things I haven't dealt with. 953 00:44:40,988 --> 00:44:44,474 My name is Brent Lewis and I'm the CEO of The Far Academy. 954 00:44:44,509 --> 00:44:46,269 [What do the The Far Academy do?] 955 00:44:46,304 --> 00:44:48,375 We're an alternative educationprovision. 956 00:44:48,409 --> 00:44:51,171 So we work with kids throughoutthe UK. But generally kids 957 00:44:51,205 --> 00:44:54,036 who are not engagedin education or vulnerable kids. 958 00:44:54,381 --> 00:44:57,315 And then we'll use skateboarding 959 00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:59,593 as the educational tool to get the qualifications that they need. 960 00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:02,872 So yeah, the memories here is incredible and, it's 961 00:45:02,907 --> 00:45:06,911 so raw as well that's what we like about it. 962 00:45:07,877 --> 00:45:10,500 And the kids generally will go to timber parks and 963 00:45:10,535 --> 00:45:12,502 those crappy council ones. 964 00:45:12,537 --> 00:45:16,092 This one is... They're blown away. They completely... 965 00:45:16,127 --> 00:45:19,061 They're out of their comfort zone and it pushes them. 966 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,340 And I think, well how can Ihit that line? And they're doing 967 00:45:22,374 --> 00:45:24,342 completely different lines whatthey ever thought they could. 968 00:45:24,549 --> 00:45:26,654 So yeah, it's an amazing place to be. 969 00:45:26,896 --> 00:45:30,141 Kids get into skateboarding andBMX when they can't necessarily 970 00:45:30,175 --> 00:45:31,211 get into other things. 971 00:45:31,245 --> 00:45:33,213 And they get led into this kind of sport 972 00:45:33,247 --> 00:45:35,905 and I think they wouldn't have any kind of form of 973 00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:38,736 expression without this park and these sports. 974 00:45:40,841 --> 00:45:43,671 This is what I think is super important about skateboarding 975 00:45:43,706 --> 00:45:49,091 is it's given an avenue for kidsto find themselves on their own. 976 00:45:49,608 --> 00:45:53,026 And for some kids they find all the things that organised 977 00:45:53,060 --> 00:45:55,373 sports are supposed to design. 978 00:45:56,063 --> 00:45:59,411 They find those things and find other things on their own in a better way. 979 00:45:59,446 --> 00:46:04,347 They find how to learn and fall, stick at something and 980 00:46:04,382 --> 00:46:05,866 be passionate about something. 981 00:46:05,901 --> 00:46:10,077 And in doing so, they learn allthese other skills accidentally. 982 00:46:10,112 --> 00:46:13,184 It's unbelievable how many skateboarders 983 00:46:13,218 --> 00:46:15,082 turn into and develop into 984 00:46:15,117 --> 00:46:19,397 pieces of society without any real schooling. 985 00:46:19,949 --> 00:46:24,643 Skateboarding itself schooled them, figuring things out on 986 00:46:24,678 --> 00:46:26,611 their own, developing things,designing things, making things, 987 00:46:26,645 --> 00:46:29,614 using their brain in a way that developing thought 988 00:46:29,648 --> 00:46:30,477 that isn't just taught. 989 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,276 Skateboarding is like pretty oneof the most important athletic 990 00:46:36,310 --> 00:46:37,795 things that develop character. 991 00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:40,418 I think it's different typesof character. There's a freedom 992 00:46:40,452 --> 00:46:41,557 to it, which can be dangerous, 993 00:46:41,971 --> 00:46:45,250 but there's also a very much self-willed get it done, 994 00:46:45,285 --> 00:46:48,495 figure it out, do it yourself, which is super important. 995 00:46:48,529 --> 00:46:53,396 And that you can't be taught that you learn it yourself, 996 00:46:53,431 --> 00:46:55,640 by falling down and getting hurt and getting back up. 997 00:46:56,054 --> 00:47:00,990 That was like way too long. 998 00:47:01,025 --> 00:47:03,441 Find someone that can say thesame thing better and use that! 999 00:47:20,458 --> 00:47:23,841 The end of the '70s skating died off and BMX 1000 00:47:23,875 --> 00:47:25,601 was massive in Romford. 1001 00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:28,224 BMX was immense. 1002 00:47:28,259 --> 00:47:30,675 That's when E.T came out, the film wasn't it? 1003 00:47:31,331 --> 00:47:32,539 It just... Boomed! 1004 00:47:32,573 --> 00:47:34,852 Like a mushroom.. Unbelievable. 1005 00:47:34,886 --> 00:47:37,855 This place was jam packed with BMX riders, you know? 1006 00:47:44,689 --> 00:47:48,727 BMX kind of came into the scene around '79/ '80, 1007 00:47:48,762 --> 00:47:50,108 what I got involved in. 1008 00:47:50,971 --> 00:47:55,355 And I would say around 1980 was when I first had the Grifter, 1009 00:47:55,389 --> 00:48:00,084 ready to ride the Mongoose, but went over there on the Grifter. 1010 00:48:00,394 --> 00:48:02,638 Hello, I'm the new Raleigh Grifter. 1011 00:48:03,811 --> 00:48:06,780 I've got a new twist grip for my three speed gear, 1012 00:48:07,954 --> 00:48:09,748 brand new saddle design, 1013 00:48:10,853 --> 00:48:12,510 and look at those chunky tyres! 1014 00:48:12,993 --> 00:48:17,480 And I noticed that the skateboards, you see a few, 1015 00:48:17,515 --> 00:48:18,861 it's still a big scene. 1016 00:48:19,206 --> 00:48:22,692 But it looked overtaken by with the bikes. It was 1017 00:48:22,727 --> 00:48:23,728 just BMX bikes everywhere. 1018 00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:26,938 In the '80s this place was dominated by BMX, 1019 00:48:26,973 --> 00:48:28,008 absolutely dominated. 1020 00:48:28,457 --> 00:48:30,804 You see photos from the '80s and it's like hundreds of kids sat 1021 00:48:30,838 --> 00:48:32,979 around all the bowls and you know, definitely 1022 00:48:33,013 --> 00:48:33,841 the boom years for BMX. 1023 00:48:33,876 --> 00:48:35,326 The place was packed. 1024 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,433 There was probably 150 to 200people most weekends, you know. 1025 00:48:39,468 --> 00:48:42,091 I think what really got me, it was just all 1026 00:48:42,126 --> 00:48:43,265 these amazing colours. 1027 00:48:43,299 --> 00:48:45,198 I can still see it like itwas yesterday, these reds and 1028 00:48:45,232 --> 00:48:48,408 yellows. Yellow tires! I hadnever seen a yellow tyre before. 1029 00:48:48,615 --> 00:48:51,307 That for me was, that was it. 1030 00:48:51,342 --> 00:48:54,793 I was hooked on the scene and the sport and it 1031 00:48:54,828 --> 00:48:57,417 kinda just snowballed from there for how I loved it. 1032 00:48:57,451 --> 00:48:59,522 They're like, well, driving lessons or BMX? 1033 00:48:59,557 --> 00:49:01,386 That's a no brainer isn't? 1034 00:49:01,421 --> 00:49:03,354 Didn't learn how to drivefor another 15 years after that. 1035 00:49:03,388 --> 00:49:05,045 I got a BMX for Christmas. 1036 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,635 It was a Raleigh, beautiful black and gold Raleigh Ultra Burner. 1037 00:49:09,256 --> 00:49:11,879 You know, without realising at the time. 1038 00:49:11,914 --> 00:49:14,399 But was a sort of a game changer 1039 00:49:14,434 --> 00:49:17,540 in the sense that it probably dictated everything else that 1040 00:49:17,575 --> 00:49:18,679 I've done ever since, really. 1041 00:49:18,714 --> 00:49:21,406 You just wanted to look thebest, you wanted to be the 1042 00:49:21,441 --> 00:49:22,476 bollocks, you was 14 years old. 1043 00:49:22,718 --> 00:49:26,032 You was riding around with a £300 bike between your legs 1044 00:49:26,066 --> 00:49:28,862 and dressed like Bjoörn Borgoff of center court, you know. 1045 00:49:28,896 --> 00:49:31,382 How the sport was moved on, we weren't really that good. 1046 00:49:31,416 --> 00:49:33,004 I think we've just there at the beginning, we were 1047 00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,248 just in a little bubble! 1048 00:49:35,731 --> 00:49:39,631 Yeah, iI think with us lot, we was more like stunt riders 1049 00:49:39,666 --> 00:49:41,185 really than anything else. 1050 00:49:41,702 --> 00:49:44,188 A Stupple! It's a bit of an ego trip calling it a Stupple. 1051 00:49:44,222 --> 00:49:45,672 Yeah, I suspose it is really. 1052 00:49:45,706 --> 00:49:47,432 Not really any other name you can call it. 1053 00:49:47,467 --> 00:49:51,402 Where do you practise a stunt like that? 1054 00:49:51,436 --> 00:49:53,887 I mostly practise at Romford Skatepark 1055 00:49:54,681 --> 00:49:57,166 I think now, the riders now, 1056 00:49:57,201 --> 00:49:59,617 have got a lot more finesse in what they do. 1057 00:50:00,342 --> 00:50:03,276 Putting runs together and that. What we used to do was 1058 00:50:03,310 --> 00:50:04,863 just go a bit mental really. 1059 00:50:09,627 --> 00:50:14,183 It's a gentle skatepark like youcome here and it's just like all 1060 00:50:14,218 --> 00:50:18,498 '70s transitions, you know. It'sall rollovers and it's all... 1061 00:50:18,532 --> 00:50:21,121 I've come here to... It's relaxing for me. 1062 00:50:21,156 --> 00:50:22,364 Romford's relaxing. 1063 00:50:22,398 --> 00:50:24,193 And even in the '80s and there was hundreds of kids here. 1064 00:50:24,228 --> 00:50:27,196 You'd start at the top and they'd be like, you'd 1065 00:50:27,231 --> 00:50:28,266 hear the chant of, you know: 1066 00:50:28,301 --> 00:50:30,061 "Going in!" "Following!" 1067 00:50:30,303 --> 00:50:33,823 [Following... Following!] 1068 00:50:33,858 --> 00:50:34,928 "Following him!" 1069 00:50:34,962 --> 00:50:36,481 You know, and they'd be like, kids dropping in 1070 00:50:36,516 --> 00:50:37,689 one after each other. 1071 00:50:37,724 --> 00:50:39,277 But there was never any, you know, people wanting to 1072 00:50:39,312 --> 00:50:41,624 fight. And I've never seen people wanting to fight each 1073 00:50:41,659 --> 00:50:43,074 other at Romford skatepark. 1074 00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:45,076 I've never seen it. And people get the 'ump, coz 1075 00:50:45,111 --> 00:50:46,526 you might drop into them at the wrong time. 1076 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,631 But no, I've never really seen any sort of bad animosity 1077 00:50:48,666 --> 00:50:49,598 at this skatepark. 1078 00:50:50,288 --> 00:50:51,945 It's one of the better places to come to ride. And that's 1079 00:50:51,979 --> 00:50:53,084 why I bring my kids here now. 1080 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,086 So it's always been a cool thing, you know. 1081 00:50:55,121 --> 00:50:56,846 You go to other places and skaters are like 1082 00:50:56,881 --> 00:50:59,159 "This is our place, skaters only!" 1083 00:50:59,401 --> 00:51:01,368 Rom was never like that. 1084 00:51:01,403 --> 00:51:03,853 You get the occasional prick will turn up and 1085 00:51:03,888 --> 00:51:04,647 sort of start acting up. 1086 00:51:05,234 --> 00:51:07,754 I've literally thrown people outof here for, you know, bullying 1087 00:51:07,788 --> 00:51:08,651 kids and shouting and screaming. 1088 00:51:08,686 --> 00:51:10,239 So they get shown the door. 1089 00:51:10,274 --> 00:51:12,724 I think when it opened in '78,there might have been a little 1090 00:51:12,759 --> 00:51:13,725 bit of friction 1091 00:51:14,312 --> 00:51:16,866 because they didn't really like the BMX-ers, I don't think, 1092 00:51:16,901 --> 00:51:17,936 to be honest. 1093 00:51:17,971 --> 00:51:19,731 I mean they wouldn't admit it now, maybe but... 1094 00:51:19,938 --> 00:51:22,355 [INAUDIBLE SHOUTING] 1095 00:51:22,389 --> 00:51:24,495 Yeah, that's me and mates. 1096 00:51:26,013 --> 00:51:27,601 I know exactly how that happened. 1097 00:51:27,636 --> 00:51:28,257 [Yeah?] 1098 00:51:28,292 --> 00:51:29,224 Yeah... Yeah. 1099 00:51:30,328 --> 00:51:32,296 There was this war with the skateboarders. 1100 00:51:32,330 --> 00:51:36,265 So we've got the BMX guys and the skateboarders who were 1101 00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:37,887 crashing into each other. 1102 00:51:37,922 --> 00:51:40,545 I remember it so clear, that it's a couple of my friends 1103 00:51:40,580 --> 00:51:42,823 and one of them had the front to to do something, 1104 00:51:42,858 --> 00:51:45,240 cause I was only a small boy at the time. 1105 00:51:45,723 --> 00:51:51,522 I think by memory, that theystarted arguing and I just see 1106 00:51:51,556 --> 00:51:55,767 my friend with helmet just gowhack straight across his head. 1107 00:51:56,561 --> 00:51:58,632 And then it was just a free for all and everyone 1108 00:51:58,667 --> 00:52:01,152 kicking and punching and... 1109 00:52:01,532 --> 00:52:05,777 You know, and it literally, assoon as it started, it finished, 1110 00:52:05,812 --> 00:52:07,952 it was waiting to happen. 1111 00:52:08,228 --> 00:52:12,301 My friend who threw the first punch was the 1112 00:52:12,336 --> 00:52:13,544 guy who was going to do it. 1113 00:52:15,201 --> 00:52:17,755 Oh I've got great memories here. Getting a train up, and 1114 00:52:17,789 --> 00:52:19,136 we all used to ride down here. 1115 00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:20,689 Brilliant place. 1116 00:52:20,723 --> 00:52:22,311 We used to come over here a lot with Andy Ruffell... 1117 00:52:22,346 --> 00:52:25,142 Andy Ruffell, me, Cav, Andy, Nikky Matthews... 1118 00:52:25,176 --> 00:52:27,765 My other mate, Rich McLennan who raced for Ace. 1119 00:52:28,317 --> 00:52:29,629 Summer holidays, we were always over here. 1120 00:52:29,974 --> 00:52:31,631 If we weren't over here, we'd be up the Southbank. 1121 00:52:32,804 --> 00:52:35,428 The actual story is, the story of this Team Ace, how it started... 1122 00:52:35,773 --> 00:52:36,774 I was the one who started it. 1123 00:52:37,361 --> 00:52:38,085 54 in January. 1124 00:52:39,501 --> 00:52:41,227 I still keep on it now, I love it. 1125 00:52:42,607 --> 00:52:45,334 I hated it the first time I came here. I didn't like it 1126 00:52:45,369 --> 00:52:46,680 at all, thought it was crap. 1127 00:52:47,129 --> 00:52:48,130 That would have been '81. 1128 00:52:49,062 --> 00:52:51,685 And then something happeneda whole year later 1129 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:54,550 I saw a little bit footage ofBob Haro. 1130 00:52:54,585 --> 00:52:57,450 I'd seen something and it inspired me, and I was 1131 00:52:57,484 --> 00:52:59,003 like, I need to do that. 1132 00:52:59,314 --> 00:53:02,179 And then I was back over and then I was over forever. 1133 00:53:03,110 --> 00:53:05,561 When Bob Haro was here, I had to grab him and get him 1134 00:53:05,596 --> 00:53:06,942 behind the counter... 1135 00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:11,291 I've never wanted to do that to anyone, you know. 1136 00:53:15,537 --> 00:53:18,022 Well I mean, Bob's a legend isn't he? I mean, he's you know. 1137 00:53:19,126 --> 00:53:21,301 I guess he's the godfather of freestyle. 1138 00:53:23,269 --> 00:53:24,615 Back then, freestyle really 1139 00:53:24,649 --> 00:53:26,824 wasn't a sport yet. Itwas kind of this novelty. 1140 00:53:27,411 --> 00:53:29,585 And so 1141 00:53:29,620 --> 00:53:31,380 when I was invited over here and did shows 1142 00:53:31,415 --> 00:53:32,416 like at Earl's court or NEC. 1143 00:53:33,727 --> 00:53:37,006 You know, freestyle it wasn't formalised yet. 1144 00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:39,008 It was just kind of this halftime entertainment, 1145 00:53:39,043 --> 00:53:40,009 if you will. 1146 00:53:40,044 --> 00:53:43,323 In between motos and events going on, 1147 00:53:43,358 --> 00:53:44,359 was my performance. 1148 00:53:45,049 --> 00:53:47,258 And at that time everybody was BMX racing. 1149 00:53:47,293 --> 00:53:49,812 There wasn't kids out here ridiglike today, 1150 00:53:49,847 --> 00:53:51,642 riding on ramps and stuff like . 1151 00:53:52,056 --> 00:53:53,471 So it was really novel. 1152 00:53:54,058 --> 00:53:56,854 So it was interesting to come over here and see the 1153 00:53:56,888 --> 00:53:57,924 enthusiasm and all the kids. 1154 00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:01,583 The first time, you know, seeingsomebody do this on a BMX bike. 1155 00:54:07,761 --> 00:54:10,971 For sure I know and remember the Rom skatepark. 1156 00:54:11,903 --> 00:54:15,113 And when I went there though, it was a standard 1157 00:54:15,148 --> 00:54:17,461 classic rainy English day. 1158 00:54:18,013 --> 00:54:19,117 So I didn't really ride that day. 1159 00:54:19,773 --> 00:54:21,741 But I remember going there and stuff like that. 1160 00:54:22,086 --> 00:54:24,433 And then throughout the years and the decades I have always 1161 00:54:24,468 --> 00:54:25,986 remembered the Rom park. 1162 00:54:27,333 --> 00:54:30,646 But you know, I think placeslike Rom you'd see in all the 1163 00:54:30,681 --> 00:54:34,616 BMX magazines, BMX Action Bike,and RAD later on and so on. 1164 00:54:34,823 --> 00:54:37,515 But it was also that kind of pilgrimage to kind of 1165 00:54:37,550 --> 00:54:39,276 just, you had to go to. 1166 00:54:39,897 --> 00:54:42,002 But when I actually wentthere, because there's this big 1167 00:54:42,037 --> 00:54:44,281 kind of pool and a big bowl, 1168 00:54:44,522 --> 00:54:45,696 it's quite intimidating, you know. 1169 00:54:47,698 --> 00:54:51,978 BMX was sort of on it's big wave of popularity in the UK. 1170 00:54:52,012 --> 00:54:53,324 I think every kid had a BMX. 1171 00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:57,466 And I kind of started doingall these tricks, which was new 1172 00:54:57,501 --> 00:54:59,434 to the BMX scene at the time. 1173 00:55:00,124 --> 00:55:02,160 And I guess I just practised and practised and got 1174 00:55:02,195 --> 00:55:04,266 sponsored basically. 1175 00:55:05,509 --> 00:55:09,616 I was never that kid that just hung around doing nothing 1176 00:55:09,651 --> 00:55:11,308 because I had BMX and skateboarding, you know. 1177 00:55:11,549 --> 00:55:13,482 And actually those, both of those took me all around 1178 00:55:13,517 --> 00:55:17,003 the world and probably really were the foundations 1179 00:55:17,037 --> 00:55:18,245 for what I still do now. 1180 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,595 Gumball was created really as a combination of all my 1181 00:55:22,629 --> 00:55:23,803 influences really on life. 1182 00:55:23,837 --> 00:55:27,116 Across kind of the whole actionsports world, art world, 1183 00:55:27,151 --> 00:55:29,256 and cars and music, which is 1184 00:55:29,291 --> 00:55:30,188 quite diverse, but it's 1185 00:55:30,223 --> 00:55:32,121 kind of what'smade me tick over the years. 1186 00:55:32,156 --> 00:55:34,503 Back when I started it, it was actually just a 1187 00:55:34,538 --> 00:55:35,539 continuation of skateboarding. 1188 00:55:35,884 --> 00:55:40,854 I used to skate in one spot, we'd skate until we'd had 1189 00:55:40,889 --> 00:55:43,581 enough of it or we got kicked off and then we'd go somewhere 1190 00:55:43,616 --> 00:55:46,239 else and we do it again and do it again and do it again. 1191 00:55:46,273 --> 00:55:50,243 And the rally was the same. We'ddrive to one city, we'd party, 1192 00:55:50,277 --> 00:55:52,556 we'd cause a disturbance, andthen we'd drive on the next day. 1193 00:55:52,590 --> 00:55:53,867 And we do it somewhere else. 1194 00:55:53,902 --> 00:55:57,250 When I look back on it, I'dbeen doing that from the age of 1195 00:55:57,284 --> 00:55:59,114 11 and I'm still doing it now. 1196 00:55:59,390 --> 00:56:01,979 But just now there's more people coming out to see it. 1197 00:56:02,013 --> 00:56:03,877 But it's exactly the same. 1198 00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:09,607 There's this BMX competition in London, which was a really 1199 00:56:09,642 --> 00:56:12,783 big deal at the time called the Hole Shot was organised 1200 00:56:13,128 --> 00:56:14,129 by a guy called Andy Ruffell. 1201 00:56:14,509 --> 00:56:16,752 It was a big kind of freestyle competition 1202 00:56:16,787 --> 00:56:19,306 and that was game changing because American 1203 00:56:19,341 --> 00:56:20,411 pros came over for it. 1204 00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:23,380 I mean, I saw an American pro rider get off his 1205 00:56:23,414 --> 00:56:25,830 bike and kinda did about five minutes of rapping. 1206 00:56:26,279 --> 00:56:29,662 And I think I'd never seen rap music before. 1207 00:56:30,697 --> 00:56:33,459 I saw skateboarding in a light that I'd never seen before 1208 00:56:33,493 --> 00:56:37,601 and just watching Gonz, likejust freely kind of glide 1209 00:56:37,635 --> 00:56:41,605 centre in and out of us BMXers. around this giant sports 1210 00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:44,435 over benches and bikes. And him just sort of ollying 1211 00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:48,681 And it was incredible, I mean it was incredible. 1212 00:56:48,715 --> 00:56:52,857 And I guess that was the most inspiring thing for me 1213 00:56:52,892 --> 00:56:54,203 to get into skateboarding. 1214 00:56:54,238 --> 00:56:57,793 Just seeing this guy just sort of do stuff that I 1215 00:56:57,828 --> 00:56:58,829 didn't think you could do. 1216 00:57:01,176 --> 00:57:04,938 Andy was more of a racer. Although I've been here 1217 00:57:04,973 --> 00:57:08,045 when he rode here, it was more like he was a racer. 1218 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,324 He was one of the real elites to be honest, he was 1219 00:57:11,358 --> 00:57:12,152 pretty much untouchable. 1220 00:57:12,670 --> 00:57:17,088 It was Andy, Craig Schofield, Sid Salisbury, Jason Maloney 1221 00:57:17,123 --> 00:57:19,297 and they were all like a little bit of a clique. 1222 00:57:19,781 --> 00:57:20,851 They stick together. 1223 00:57:22,059 --> 00:57:23,336 Yeah, it was hard to get in with them. 1224 00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:26,477 I suppose it could have been a bit a little bit cliquey then, but you know.... 1225 00:57:26,512 --> 00:57:27,720 I wasn't in the clique! 1226 00:57:27,754 --> 00:57:28,893 I was with Billy on the outskirts. 1227 00:57:29,273 --> 00:57:32,725 Well in bicycle motocross, Iaim to be very good at freestlye 1228 00:57:32,759 --> 00:57:34,036 and very good at racing as well. 1229 00:57:34,071 --> 00:57:34,899 Over the whoops! 1230 00:57:35,969 --> 00:57:37,143 [CHEERING] 1231 00:57:37,177 --> 00:57:39,179 And It's Andy Ruffell 1st for team white. 1232 00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:43,149 And top stunt rider Andy Ruffell, at just 18 1233 00:57:43,183 --> 00:57:45,565 he's one of the biggest names in the sport. 1234 00:57:47,809 --> 00:57:50,397 I've actually managed to find somebody here 1235 00:57:50,432 --> 00:57:53,055 who we haven't all seen for a very long time. 1236 00:57:53,090 --> 00:57:55,368 Can I introduce you once again to Andy Ruffell? 1237 00:57:55,402 --> 00:57:56,093 Hi Andy! 1238 00:57:56,956 --> 00:57:57,681 ...Hi 1239 00:57:58,544 --> 00:58:00,097 That was very cool, wasn't it? 1240 00:58:00,615 --> 00:58:01,995 I was a skater. I must've been . 1241 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,170 10 years old or 11 years old. 1242 00:58:04,757 --> 00:58:07,863 I actually had my skateboard stolen at Skate City 1243 00:58:07,898 --> 00:58:10,728 and that's when I got into getting a BMX bike. 1244 00:58:11,004 --> 00:58:13,800 And then when this place opened,it was great for me because I 1245 00:58:13,835 --> 00:58:14,905 didn't have to go to Skate City. 1246 00:58:14,939 --> 00:58:17,908 I could come up here and ride a BMX bike. 1247 00:58:19,219 --> 00:58:21,187 The reason Rom was special for me is, I did a lot 1248 00:58:21,221 --> 00:58:22,740 of things first here. 1249 00:58:25,467 --> 00:58:26,951 I did my first 360. 1250 00:58:27,538 --> 00:58:31,162 I remember some of the worstcrashes I ever had were at Rom. 1251 00:58:32,094 --> 00:58:35,304 The performance bowl, my chainbroke and you know, I fell from 1252 00:58:35,339 --> 00:58:38,687 the top to literally the bottomconcrete and landed on my knees. 1253 00:58:38,722 --> 00:58:40,758 And I still feel that today. 1254 00:58:41,138 --> 00:58:42,898 Because that's what's important about Rom because 1255 00:58:42,933 --> 00:58:44,037 I think a lot of people, 1256 00:58:44,072 --> 00:58:47,144 me, Craig Schofield, Craig Campbell, my brother of 1257 00:58:47,178 --> 00:58:48,697 course, Neil Ruffell. 1258 00:58:48,732 --> 00:58:51,355 You know, this was a reallearning ground, I think. 1259 00:58:51,389 --> 00:58:54,013 You know, all those guys and a lot of others really learnt 1260 00:58:54,047 --> 00:58:55,739 their skills right here in this 1261 00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:57,050 and especially me. 1262 00:58:57,395 --> 00:58:59,570 So I remember spending literally four hours over 1263 00:58:59,605 --> 00:59:01,814 there in that little part over there, just basically 1264 00:59:01,848 --> 00:59:04,230 trying to pull off front hops. 1265 00:59:04,575 --> 00:59:07,923 And I remember when I pulled off some front hops in 1978 1266 00:59:07,958 --> 00:59:10,788 the crowd went wild coz I did some front hops. 1267 00:59:10,823 --> 00:59:13,653 So it was like, you know, it's kind of wild but it was 1268 00:59:13,688 --> 00:59:15,068 a really good education for riding a bike. 1269 00:59:17,174 --> 00:59:20,902 Yeah, I think my brother alwayssurprised everybody cause he... 1270 00:59:21,592 --> 00:59:24,284 I mean be honest, I never saw anyone ride a bike - 1271 00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:26,217 I know this sounds silly because he's me brother. 1272 00:59:26,252 --> 00:59:28,841 But I never saw anyone ride a bike like he did. 1273 00:59:29,255 --> 00:59:31,844 You know, and in terms of getting air, you know, I 1274 00:59:31,878 --> 00:59:32,845 mean I've seen him up here. 1275 00:59:33,052 --> 00:59:35,468 Luckily I was, you know, retiring. 1276 00:59:36,642 --> 00:59:39,645 Thank God ! Coz Neil just was just ripping. 1277 00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:43,027 I mean, I've seen him get 10ft out of the performance, you know, many times. 1278 00:59:43,062 --> 00:59:44,822 So that was cool. I think a lot of people were surprised. 1279 00:59:44,857 --> 00:59:46,859 They just thought, oh yes, that's Andy's brother. 1280 00:59:46,893 --> 00:59:49,068 That's why he's got a big name because he's Andy's Brother. 1281 00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:52,312 He's ten times a betterbike rider than I ever was. 1282 00:59:52,347 --> 00:59:54,591 So I was like, you know, he deserved it. 1283 00:59:54,625 --> 00:59:57,628 And so, I'm just glad I retired when he was, you 1284 00:59:57,663 --> 00:59:58,629 know, coming into his peak. 1285 01:00:00,424 --> 01:00:02,391 It's a very special place. 1286 01:00:02,426 --> 01:00:04,428 Very special people that, you know, still skate 1287 01:00:04,462 --> 01:00:05,429 here after 40 years. 1288 01:00:05,912 --> 01:00:07,224 And it certainly helped my career big time. 1289 01:00:08,674 --> 01:00:10,365 You know, I basically learned to ride a bike here. 1290 01:00:11,746 --> 01:00:14,093 That was a really tough pool and it still is actually. 1291 01:00:14,714 --> 01:00:16,233 Don't believe what theytell you... 1292 01:00:16,474 --> 01:00:18,649 That you do forget how to ride a bike. 1293 01:00:18,684 --> 01:00:19,650 Let me tell you. 1294 01:00:21,825 --> 01:00:24,034 I'm amazed that Rom is still here. 1295 01:00:24,690 --> 01:00:27,416 I mean it's crazy. I mean I'm sitting here now and 1296 01:00:27,451 --> 01:00:29,556 I've got so many memories, personal memories here. 1297 01:00:29,867 --> 01:00:32,836 But the fact that it's here like40 years later, is just crazy. 1298 01:00:33,491 --> 01:00:37,875 [SIRENS] 1299 01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:41,638 It was like roaring, a good150ft up in the air, the flames. 1300 01:00:43,122 --> 01:00:45,089 Still can't quite believe it's gone, to be honest. 1301 01:00:48,955 --> 01:00:49,680 Nightmare. 1302 01:00:51,371 --> 01:00:54,478 This ramp was built in '99. 1303 01:00:56,135 --> 01:00:59,586 And we just got some Heritage Lottery Funding. 1304 01:01:00,346 --> 01:01:03,867 Sods law is as we got that funding to help us clear the 1305 01:01:03,901 --> 01:01:06,214 space and promote the park. Now this fire has happened. 1306 01:01:07,525 --> 01:01:12,496 Cause we just finished removing the old mini-ramp from up the top there. 1307 01:01:13,117 --> 01:01:14,671 That had been there for 30 odd years. 1308 01:01:15,085 --> 01:01:16,362 So we were just getting ahead. 1309 01:01:16,396 --> 01:01:17,674 We're just stepping forward, getting to clear 1310 01:01:17,708 --> 01:01:18,709 that space, ready to go. 1311 01:01:18,744 --> 01:01:20,297 And It's just... It's hard. 1312 01:01:25,164 --> 01:01:28,063 This was our only indoor bit when It's raining, and 1313 01:01:28,098 --> 01:01:29,686 they got nowhere to go. 1314 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,309 Bit of a kick right in the teeth, really. 1315 01:01:37,832 --> 01:01:39,350 Everything's easy now, It's there. 1316 01:01:39,661 --> 01:01:41,698 Walk down to your local park, there's a skatepark there. 1317 01:01:41,905 --> 01:01:45,287 You've got so many free skate parks that pop up, 1318 01:01:45,322 --> 01:01:46,357 that councils put on. 1319 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:49,947 So It's hard to get people, I suppose. To come and ride 1320 01:01:49,982 --> 01:01:51,362 somewhere where they've got to pay, when they've got 1321 01:01:51,397 --> 01:01:52,778 somewhere free to go to. 1322 01:01:52,812 --> 01:01:55,988 And it needs kids to get here. You know, it's kind of 1323 01:01:56,022 --> 01:01:57,023 getting forgotten about a bit. 1324 01:01:57,230 --> 01:02:01,441 Rom had a more of a captiveaudience because there just 1325 01:02:01,476 --> 01:02:02,960 weren't as many places to skate. 1326 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:05,722 Whereas now there's parks popping up all over the place. 1327 01:02:05,756 --> 01:02:09,346 It's difficult for somewhere like Rom to survive. 1328 01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:17,147 But looking into the future youthink, is there a future for any 1329 01:02:17,181 --> 01:02:19,943 commercial, outdoor skate park? 1330 01:02:19,977 --> 01:02:22,773 Everything else that's commercial is indoor because 1331 01:02:22,808 --> 01:02:25,742 you've got to maximise your income all year round. 1332 01:02:26,881 --> 01:02:29,021 There's so many free parks around the country 1333 01:02:29,055 --> 01:02:30,436 spreading it so thin. 1334 01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:33,957 I think we're probably one of, if not the only privately 1335 01:02:33,991 --> 01:02:35,406 run skate park in England. 1336 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:37,961 People come here and they love it. 1337 01:02:37,995 --> 01:02:41,343 Riding around this park on anything wheeled is 1338 01:02:41,378 --> 01:02:43,656 a great... It's fun. 1339 01:02:43,690 --> 01:02:46,797 If we don't get some help here,we'd might be in trouble and 1340 01:02:46,832 --> 01:02:49,869 the place could go in completedisrepair, to be quite honest. 1341 01:02:52,976 --> 01:02:56,980 It must be protected. It must be saved. It is of absolute 1342 01:02:57,014 --> 01:02:59,051 vital national importance. 1343 01:02:59,085 --> 01:03:01,812 And to give hope to those kids that otherwise 1344 01:03:01,847 --> 01:03:03,020 without it don't have hope. 1345 01:03:03,055 --> 01:03:05,022 They don't have a place, they can't express themselves 1346 01:03:05,057 --> 01:03:06,403 and they go the wrong way. 1347 01:03:08,854 --> 01:03:10,234 The way things are going, you know. 1348 01:03:10,269 --> 01:03:11,995 Rent goes up, rates go up. 1349 01:03:12,858 --> 01:03:14,031 Insurance goes up. 1350 01:03:14,066 --> 01:03:16,620 It's the overheads that are quite large. 1351 01:03:19,002 --> 01:03:20,520 It's getting worse and worse. 1352 01:03:22,005 --> 01:03:25,111 The takings are going down. The expenses are going up. 1353 01:03:33,948 --> 01:03:36,674 Like when we used to have crowds of kids queuing up. 1354 01:03:36,709 --> 01:03:37,710 No one was here last Saturday. 1355 01:03:37,744 --> 01:03:38,504 No one. 1356 01:03:38,538 --> 01:03:39,539 Not one. 1357 01:03:54,554 --> 01:03:58,731 We are building a wall for an artwork project 1358 01:03:58,765 --> 01:04:01,492 by the London police, Amsterdam based art group. 1359 01:04:02,286 --> 01:04:05,496 To promote the skate park and get some more 1360 01:04:05,531 --> 01:04:06,497 people in here, hopefully. 1361 01:04:07,567 --> 01:04:10,674 The London Police are a group of street artists. 1362 01:04:10,985 --> 01:04:15,541 Two of them mainly based inAmsterdam, from Essex, and they 1363 01:04:15,575 --> 01:04:16,680 do murals around the world. 1364 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,278 You know, It's going tobe cool. Whatever they do, 1365 01:04:28,312 --> 01:04:29,624 they've never done a bad piece. 1366 01:04:39,358 --> 01:04:41,291 Who are we? We're The London place. 1367 01:04:41,325 --> 01:04:43,051 The Essex Police are called the Essex Police where the 1368 01:04:43,086 --> 01:04:44,259 London Police are calledthe Metropolitan Police. 1369 01:04:44,294 --> 01:04:45,882 So that was up for grabs, 1370 01:04:45,916 --> 01:04:48,091 you know, that was out there. So we had that. 1371 01:04:48,298 --> 01:04:51,473 You've always said too, everyoneknows the word London and 1372 01:04:51,508 --> 01:04:53,993 the word police and you putthem together and it's kind 1373 01:04:54,028 --> 01:04:56,271 of instantly recognisableall around the world. 1374 01:04:56,306 --> 01:04:59,896 I mean they know the word 'The'as well. I mean, there's three 1375 01:04:59,930 --> 01:05:02,346 words right now that everyonein the world can understand. 1376 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,005 And it does stand out when you see it on the lineup of stuff. 1377 01:05:06,661 --> 01:05:09,215 You do look at it, It'sa stand out. It's a funname. 1378 01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:11,079 We still like it. It's stupid. Let's face it. 1379 01:05:11,114 --> 01:05:14,289 But I think you said as well that the idea of policing 1380 01:05:14,324 --> 01:05:16,153 the streets with good art, 1381 01:05:16,188 --> 01:05:19,087 Making... Looking after the streets. 1382 01:05:19,122 --> 01:05:21,710 That obviously came after wegot the name, It's not like, 1383 01:05:21,745 --> 01:05:22,746 you know, we've got that first, 1384 01:05:23,367 --> 01:05:26,336 But our connection with Rom,we were both, we when were 1385 01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:27,613 younger, rubbish skateboarders, 1386 01:05:27,647 --> 01:05:29,097 but very enthusiastic. 1387 01:05:29,132 --> 01:05:30,788 Yeah, I thought you were a bit more rubbish than I was. 1388 01:05:30,823 --> 01:05:33,757 We always came to Rom. I came here countless times. 1389 01:05:33,791 --> 01:05:35,724 I know you did and I didn't know you at the time, 1390 01:05:35,759 --> 01:05:38,348 But I knew you being a couple of years older... 1391 01:05:38,382 --> 01:05:40,833 Yeah I was trying to avoid youwhen you were in the performancebowl. 1392 01:05:40,867 --> 01:05:42,939 I was well over there likewith the other ramps and stuff. 1393 01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:46,735 Finally we actually met at some point, had to be friends 1394 01:05:46,770 --> 01:05:47,978 and I realised you're quite a good guy. 1395 01:05:48,875 --> 01:05:51,154 You feel like, you're doing something for a place that 1396 01:05:51,188 --> 01:05:56,297 really gave something to you in your early years. 1397 01:05:56,849 --> 01:06:01,129 It's giving back. It's being part of a inspiring 1398 01:06:01,164 --> 01:06:05,030 journey to try and get this place full of life again. 1399 01:06:05,823 --> 01:06:09,758 As we all understand these days, council's provide nice ramp 1400 01:06:09,793 --> 01:06:12,313 and skate park facilities for free and in local parks. 1401 01:06:12,692 --> 01:06:14,694 And over the last 10/20 years that's really... 1402 01:06:15,454 --> 01:06:17,628 They've come in abundance really for young skaters. 1403 01:06:17,663 --> 01:06:21,356 So to pay to come into a park, you know, it's 1404 01:06:21,391 --> 01:06:23,427 made it harder for this place to attract people. 1405 01:06:24,118 --> 01:06:27,914 But just the facilities here and the heritage of it, is 1406 01:06:27,949 --> 01:06:29,916 something really special. 1407 01:06:29,951 --> 01:06:32,574 So by coming and injecting some life into it, 1408 01:06:32,609 --> 01:06:34,024 through doing artwork, 1409 01:06:34,059 --> 01:06:37,890 Hopefully that will be thefirst step to now revampingthis place, 1410 01:06:37,924 --> 01:06:40,237 rejuvenating thatsame vibe that we felt as kids. 1411 01:06:41,445 --> 01:06:45,380 And hopefully with good people involved, it's going to turn 1412 01:06:45,415 --> 01:06:46,416 into something special here. 1413 01:06:47,244 --> 01:06:50,178 Yeah, I think, if you had toldus 20/30 years ago that 1414 01:06:50,213 --> 01:06:53,802 we'd get the chance to be here and to do this... I mean fantastic. 1415 01:06:53,837 --> 01:06:57,013 By a little bit of artwork, it can really affect change, 1416 01:06:57,047 --> 01:06:58,842 albeit a little small mural. 1417 01:06:59,601 --> 01:07:02,397 But I think it feeds off the energy and creates 1418 01:07:02,432 --> 01:07:04,054 kind of a momentum. 1419 01:07:04,089 --> 01:07:06,298 I can imagine this place being full of art. 1420 01:07:08,438 --> 01:07:11,234 But we've been doing this for 20 years as well, so we have 1421 01:07:11,268 --> 01:07:14,202 a certain way we do things and we just employed that same 1422 01:07:14,237 --> 01:07:15,238 method in this project too. 1423 01:07:15,652 --> 01:07:19,518 Turn up, get the basics in and then work out how 1424 01:07:19,552 --> 01:07:21,554 it's going to go and let it breathe, let it flow. 1425 01:07:21,934 --> 01:07:24,523 And we're hoping that everyone'sgoing to appreciate the piece 1426 01:07:24,557 --> 01:07:28,078 we've done, which does haveskateboard influence in it. 1427 01:07:28,285 --> 01:07:30,287 It does have influence of the actual place here. 1428 01:07:30,805 --> 01:07:33,256 It's made especially so thatfrom the other side of the 1429 01:07:33,290 --> 01:07:35,706 skate park, you can still sensea little bit what's going on, 1430 01:07:35,913 --> 01:07:39,538 As opposed to having to be next to it like you would in an art gallery or something. 1431 01:07:39,917 --> 01:07:43,887 That's quite a big part of it, that this is such a nice vast open park. 1432 01:07:43,921 --> 01:07:46,269 So it needed to be over there. 1433 01:07:46,303 --> 01:07:48,443 'Oh, I can see what it is, but let me go over there and then 1434 01:07:48,478 --> 01:07:50,342 check out the finer details'. 1435 01:07:51,550 --> 01:07:54,311 Yeah, it's the basic nature of how things work in life. 1436 01:07:54,346 --> 01:07:57,487 You know, you sow a seed and plant grows, and from 1437 01:07:57,521 --> 01:08:00,145 the plant comes flowers, and from the flowers comes 1438 01:08:00,179 --> 01:08:01,456 the joy of seeing it and... 1439 01:08:01,491 --> 01:08:02,975 Blah, blah, blah. 1440 01:08:03,009 --> 01:08:06,254 So hopefully this is a seed and hopefully they'll 1441 01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:07,945 be flowers at some point for people to enjoy. 1442 01:08:13,296 --> 01:08:15,712 Ladies and gentlemen, it gives me great pleasure to open the 1443 01:08:15,746 --> 01:08:20,406 Rom skatepark 40 exhibition, 1444 01:08:20,441 --> 01:08:24,445 and I formally declare the exhibition open! 1445 01:08:24,617 --> 01:08:25,515 [APLAUSE] 1446 01:08:32,453 --> 01:08:35,663 [MOTORCYCLE ENGINE] 1447 01:09:25,299 --> 01:09:32,168 Rom today, is the biggest, largest, best, skate park in 1448 01:09:32,202 --> 01:09:35,378 the world to have any kind of historic preservation. 1449 01:09:35,585 --> 01:09:39,244 Great, I just never realised that you could even do that with a skate park. 1450 01:09:40,037 --> 01:09:44,180 And indeed you could well claim for Rom, it's the only 1451 01:09:44,214 --> 01:09:47,321 proper skate park in the world to be historically listed. 1452 01:09:47,528 --> 01:09:50,979 Something with a big range of facilities with a pool 1453 01:09:51,014 --> 01:09:53,913 and a bowl and a Cloverleaf, and a half pipe and so on. 1454 01:09:55,605 --> 01:09:58,780 The beauty of skateboarding is that it's art. 1455 01:09:58,815 --> 01:09:59,816 It keeps moving forward. 1456 01:10:00,610 --> 01:10:01,783 You don't have the NBA, 1457 01:10:01,818 --> 01:10:03,129 where a basketball player 1458 01:10:03,164 --> 01:10:04,855 can walk in before a game, 1459 01:10:04,890 --> 01:10:05,925 and tear the hoops down and 1460 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,926 put three hoops at three 1461 01:10:06,961 --> 01:10:07,962 feet high and say, 1462 01:10:08,342 --> 01:10:10,033 this is what the game is today. 1463 01:10:10,067 --> 01:10:11,414 And that's what skateboarding does 1464 01:10:11,448 --> 01:10:12,725 all the time. 1465 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:17,799 It is also the prototype for every single skate park 1466 01:10:17,834 --> 01:10:18,835 in Britain today. 1467 01:10:20,077 --> 01:10:22,804 And something that these guys that rode 40 years 1468 01:10:22,839 --> 01:10:25,738 ago is keeping them riding means it's right. 1469 01:10:25,945 --> 01:10:30,398 This is old school. This is what it used to be like. 1470 01:10:30,433 --> 01:10:32,158 Now it's not. 1471 01:10:32,504 --> 01:10:36,542 It just feels like part of the old skating, I'd say 1472 01:10:36,577 --> 01:10:37,578 it's about the closest thing. 1473 01:10:37,957 --> 01:10:39,062 Point is there's weather. 1474 01:10:39,096 --> 01:10:40,028 Point is when it's pissing down 1475 01:10:40,063 --> 01:10:40,960 we have a skid contest. 1476 01:10:40,995 --> 01:10:42,824 It's England, man. 1477 01:10:42,859 --> 01:10:43,860 It ain't California, 1478 01:10:44,067 --> 01:10:48,451 So it's an incredibly valuable piece of architecture. 1479 01:10:48,865 --> 01:10:51,177 Both as a bit of skateboard architecture from the '70s 1480 01:10:51,212 --> 01:10:54,284 and for it's influence into the future. 1481 01:10:54,871 --> 01:10:57,770 It is what it is for a reason. You know it's history. 1482 01:10:57,805 --> 01:10:59,427 Don't, just stop that man. 1483 01:10:59,462 --> 01:11:01,740 That's the point. It looks old. It's England, 1484 01:11:01,774 --> 01:11:02,775 shit's old. 1485 01:11:03,086 --> 01:11:06,054 And I really hope this place stays, cause I hear rumours 1486 01:11:06,089 --> 01:11:08,919 that it's in trouble at the moment and this is one of 1487 01:11:08,954 --> 01:11:11,819 the most iconic skate parks there is on the planet. 1488 01:11:12,302 --> 01:11:15,340 It's almost, kind of our duty to kinda keep them alive 1489 01:11:15,374 --> 01:11:17,342 really and certainly because it's more than skateboarding. 1490 01:11:17,376 --> 01:11:18,688 It's more than BMXing. 1491 01:11:18,722 --> 01:11:21,587 It's actually developed... It's shaped my whole life. 1492 01:11:21,622 --> 01:11:23,762 It shapes what my family do, it shapes what my friends do. 1493 01:11:23,796 --> 01:11:26,282 and that's across all industriesand everything you know. 1494 01:11:38,777 --> 01:11:44,955 Rom should be updated, kept,added to, but the direction we've gone is... 1495 01:11:45,749 --> 01:11:48,373 Why don't we we tear that down or redesign it for the Olympic course? 1496 01:11:48,407 --> 01:11:50,789 What's the Olympic course? What's the Olympic course? 1497 01:11:51,445 --> 01:11:52,377 Nonsense. 1498 01:11:52,687 --> 01:11:54,482 The Olympic course is going to be obsolete before the 1499 01:11:54,517 --> 01:11:55,380 Olympics get there 1500 01:11:55,414 --> 01:11:56,415 because skateboarding is art. 1501 01:11:58,969 --> 01:12:02,594 I don't know of any other skate park in the world 1502 01:12:02,628 --> 01:12:06,391 that is as complete and as varied, 1503 01:12:06,425 --> 01:12:11,154 and substantial as Rom and stillenjoys this historic listing. 1504 01:12:11,775 --> 01:12:14,951 The local authority, government,havering, whoever it is needs 1505 01:12:14,985 --> 01:12:18,334 to realise what they have andthe architectural and cultural 1506 01:12:18,368 --> 01:12:19,369 importance of this place. 1507 01:12:19,404 --> 01:12:21,578 There is no other, you will never get another 1508 01:12:21,613 --> 01:12:23,408 if it goes, it's gone. 1509 01:12:56,441 --> 01:12:58,753 Well, there's a group of us that have got together 1510 01:12:58,788 --> 01:13:00,548 and we're putting in everything we can afford. 1511 01:13:00,583 --> 01:13:02,654 Different people from different walks of life. 1512 01:13:02,688 --> 01:13:07,659 We've got lawyers and ex bank managers, to lorry drivers to plumbers, to mechanics. 1513 01:13:07,900 --> 01:13:11,421 That are all chipping in to basically pay the basic needs 1514 01:13:11,456 --> 01:13:13,596 so that the park doesn't fall into the wrong hands. 1515 01:13:18,152 --> 01:13:19,395 We've been here 40 years. 1516 01:13:19,429 --> 01:13:20,948 [We want to be here for another 40 years, you know.] 1517 01:13:23,468 --> 01:13:25,573 [I couldn't imagine my life without Rom. 1518 01:13:25,608 --> 01:13:27,472 I don't know what I'd be doing.] 1519 01:13:38,621 --> 01:13:43,591 Yeah, people say to me, you know, you're in your fifties, 1520 01:13:43,626 --> 01:13:48,251 you skateboard. You're some kind of freak. 1521 01:13:48,285 --> 01:13:50,529 And you know, they look at you very, very, very strangely. 1522 01:13:52,531 --> 01:13:55,085 Like where does that come from and why? And... 1523 01:14:01,264 --> 01:14:03,473 And I think it's just because skateboarding for 1524 01:14:03,508 --> 01:14:05,682 whatever reason, has been associated with kids. 1525 01:14:05,717 --> 01:14:09,652 People still just think of it as a kid's activity. 1526 01:14:11,654 --> 01:14:13,656 I had eggs for breakfast. 1527 01:14:14,864 --> 01:14:16,555 Actually, i had eggs on toast for breakfast. 1528 01:14:18,143 --> 01:14:19,593 Shit, now I'm all thirsty. 1529 01:14:20,801 --> 01:14:22,734 The question that you asked me like two and a half hours 1530 01:14:22,768 --> 01:14:24,874 ago was what year was this? 1531 01:14:24,908 --> 01:14:26,496 It was '78 - '80! 1532 01:14:30,017 --> 01:14:31,156 Sorry! 1533 01:14:33,365 --> 01:14:34,400 What was the question? 1534 01:14:36,541 --> 01:14:40,061 I really like rolling thunder and they had a party out 1535 01:14:40,096 --> 01:14:41,511 there that I really remember. 1536 01:14:42,408 --> 01:14:46,965 Roger Daltrey was partying up in the high room and that was 1537 01:14:46,999 --> 01:14:49,623 just such a rocking session. 1538 01:14:50,555 --> 01:14:52,315 I mean how much can I tell? 1539 01:14:54,317 --> 01:14:58,286 You know, I created the world freestyle... Awards 1540 01:14:58,321 --> 01:15:00,910 freestyle... Say that again! 1541 01:15:02,912 --> 01:15:05,501 I got told by pretty much everybody, 1542 01:15:05,535 --> 01:15:06,847 get a proper job ! 1543 01:15:07,882 --> 01:15:10,126 I didn't work for 20 years for as I'm concerned, 1544 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,404 I was a professional BMX rider.uknow, who had the last laugh? 1545 01:15:16,995 --> 01:15:18,203 Nice tits. 1546 01:15:18,548 --> 01:15:19,860 I'll tell you what, I'm filling out. 1547 01:15:21,931 --> 01:15:25,521 Occasionally I go to Meanwhile gardens, 1548 01:15:25,555 --> 01:15:27,557 and do my stuff late at night. 1549 01:15:27,592 --> 01:15:32,389 And sometimes fall off and think, you know, if someone could see me now! You Know? 1550 01:15:32,976 --> 01:15:35,841 What am I doing? But I love it. So it's great. 1551 01:15:38,395 --> 01:15:40,984 Everyone's going to think 'Who's that twat?'. 1552 01:15:41,019 --> 01:15:42,607 [Are they?] 1553 01:15:42,641 --> 01:15:44,712 I don't know. But I think that... To be honest, they'll 1554 01:15:44,747 --> 01:15:46,783 think that anyway, regardless of with the glasses on or off. 1555 01:15:48,509 --> 01:15:51,132 A little hedgehog came out of the bushes and 1556 01:15:51,167 --> 01:15:53,825 it looked up at me. 1557 01:15:53,859 --> 01:16:01,073 It shared my emotional state, you know, and understood that I was having a rough day. 1558 01:16:03,455 --> 01:16:05,630 It seems like I was going down this hill forever. 1559 01:16:06,078 --> 01:16:08,702 Forever and ever - A bit like I go on anyway! But... 1560 01:16:11,877 --> 01:16:14,846 Oh, I'm just sitting here looking at myself by myself. 1561 01:16:17,780 --> 01:16:20,506 [INAUDIBLE] 1562 01:16:20,541 --> 01:16:25,581 This is not what I do. Oh, therewas me when I was little.... 1563 01:16:27,341 --> 01:16:29,412 Oh it's me when I was little again. 1564 01:16:30,102 --> 01:16:33,174 Oh it's was just about me. Oh, I love looking at me. 1565 01:16:33,209 --> 01:16:35,073 [Something like that.] 1566 01:16:35,107 --> 01:16:36,695 Something like that! 1567 01:16:37,938 --> 01:16:40,078 Oh, I'm not that dude. 1568 01:16:41,666 --> 01:16:44,185 He just can't talk. He's a drip 1569 01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:46,187 It's why I keep trying to talk over him because he's 1570 01:16:46,222 --> 01:16:48,189 too quiet. You probably won't even hear him in the film. 1571 01:16:48,224 --> 01:16:50,606 ♪Nelson, he goes in all the moguls. ♪ 1572 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,885 ♪Nelson, he hangs out with the locals.♪ 1573 01:16:53,919 --> 01:16:56,404 ♪And that is my goal, 1574 01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:00,305 ♪to spend time with Nelson in the performance bowl!♪ 1575 01:17:00,339 --> 01:17:03,826 ♪Nelson, he goes in all the moguls. ♪ 1576 01:17:03,860 --> 01:17:07,484 ♪Nelson, he hangs out with the locals. ♪ 1577 01:17:07,519 --> 01:17:09,555 ♪And that is my goal, 1578 01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:13,456 ♪to hang out with Nelson in the performance bowl!♪ 1579 01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:15,700 I've still got to work on it obviously. 1580 01:17:15,734 --> 01:17:16,632 That middle bit... 1581 01:17:16,666 --> 01:17:18,944 My name is Andrew Markou 1582 01:17:19,773 --> 01:17:21,775 My mates called me Popadopoulos. 1583 01:17:22,879 --> 01:17:27,573 I've been skating since 2003 and this was the first place I came to. 1584 01:17:29,265 --> 01:17:33,062 That was '79 and came back to Rom in '97 when I started skating again. 1585 01:17:34,166 --> 01:17:35,581 and I've been coming ever since,more or less. 1586 01:17:36,582 --> 01:17:37,756 One thing, I will say... 1587 01:17:39,551 --> 01:17:44,556 [LAUGHTER] 1588 01:17:46,938 --> 01:17:50,148 Get here before it was open, bashing around in the car park out there. 1589 01:17:50,182 --> 01:17:53,738 Knocking on the door, waiting for John to come out and let us in. 1590 01:17:53,772 --> 01:17:56,775 We used in climb over here afterthe builders had gone home. 1591 01:17:57,707 --> 01:18:00,917 Lay sheets of ply out to get through the sea of mud and just skate. 1592 01:18:41,751 --> 01:18:44,789 ...Zinger! 122560

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