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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,102 --> 00:00:04,188 The shale deposits that lie beneath 34 states 2 00:00:04,272 --> 00:00:06,899 harbor large reserves of natural gas. 3 00:00:07,025 --> 00:00:09,943 Energy companies are digging wells across the country 4 00:00:10,070 --> 00:00:12,488 in hoping to revolutionize our energy consumption. 5 00:00:12,614 --> 00:00:16,617 There's also growing concern over one way they drill for natural gas. 6 00:00:16,785 --> 00:00:18,494 It's something called "fracking." 7 00:00:18,661 --> 00:00:20,912 The high-pressure pumping of water and chemicals 8 00:00:21,038 --> 00:00:23,122 deep into the earth to release oil and gas. 9 00:00:23,248 --> 00:00:25,541 It's been implicated with water contamination, 10 00:00:25,667 --> 00:00:26,947 air pollution, health effects... 11 00:00:27,002 --> 00:00:30,838 Now the debate has a new concern. The process may trigger earthquakes. 12 00:00:31,006 --> 00:00:34,008 You put a match to your water and it went up in flames? 13 00:00:41,809 --> 00:00:44,644 We are in Copenhagen for the United Nations Climate Change Conference. 14 00:00:44,770 --> 00:00:46,771 My name is Phelim McAleer. 15 00:00:46,939 --> 00:00:49,774 I'm an investigative journalist and I love it. 16 00:00:49,942 --> 00:00:52,443 If you don't shut that off I'm gonna take it away from you. 17 00:00:52,611 --> 00:00:55,613 Asking the powerful difficult questions is a great job. 18 00:00:55,863 --> 00:00:57,364 Mr. Gore, will you correct the record? 19 00:00:57,490 --> 00:00:58,949 I wouldn't do anything else. 20 00:00:59,075 --> 00:01:02,494 I was a reporter in Northern lreland during the Troubles, 21 00:01:02,662 --> 00:01:05,330 and later worked for the UK Sunday Times, 22 00:01:05,498 --> 00:01:08,166 and then The Financial Times and The Economist. 23 00:01:08,334 --> 00:01:10,836 Fracking is a huge story 24 00:01:10,962 --> 00:01:14,589 because most people believed we were running out of fossil fuels. 25 00:01:14,757 --> 00:01:17,884 But it turns out most people were wrong. 26 00:01:18,553 --> 00:01:20,595 We came up with a way to tap 27 00:01:20,763 --> 00:01:24,558 previously inaccessible oil and gas from shale rock. 28 00:01:24,725 --> 00:01:29,271 In terms of a newfound source of energy for the globe, 29 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:33,858 this discovery that gas shales can be productive 30 00:01:33,984 --> 00:01:37,361 is probably one of the most important step increases 31 00:01:37,529 --> 00:01:40,072 in the amount of energy available to the world 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,199 that's happened in a long, long time. 33 00:01:42,367 --> 00:01:44,452 It's just absolutely huge. 34 00:01:44,619 --> 00:01:47,163 The combination of horizontal drilling 35 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:51,375 and hydraulic fracturing has allowed the world now finally 36 00:01:51,543 --> 00:01:54,420 to unlock huge quantities of hydrocarbons 37 00:01:54,546 --> 00:01:56,797 and provide cheap, abundant, reliable energy 38 00:01:56,923 --> 00:02:01,177 to not just millions of people, but potentially to billions of people. 39 00:02:01,344 --> 00:02:05,890 But despite all this good news, fracking is controversial, 40 00:02:06,016 --> 00:02:08,100 mostly because of this man. 41 00:02:08,268 --> 00:02:10,935 Josh Fox is a journalist and filmmaker. 42 00:02:11,103 --> 00:02:14,731 According to Gasland, his Oscar-nominated documentary, 43 00:02:14,857 --> 00:02:18,568 which also won an Emmy, fracking is a complete disaster. 44 00:02:18,944 --> 00:02:23,490 It's polluting water and causing serious illnesses and deaths. 45 00:02:23,616 --> 00:02:25,742 And, in the most famous scene in Gasland, 46 00:02:25,868 --> 00:02:28,745 people's tap water bursts into flames. 47 00:02:28,871 --> 00:02:31,289 Whoa! Jesus Christ! 48 00:02:31,457 --> 00:02:36,002 Because of these claims, fracking has been banned in many places, 49 00:02:36,170 --> 00:02:40,423 from Pennsylvania and New York to France and Bulgaria. 50 00:02:40,549 --> 00:02:43,051 But it took me only five minutes on the internet 51 00:02:43,219 --> 00:02:47,012 to discover this claim of flammable water was very questionable. 52 00:02:47,180 --> 00:02:50,015 I went to a screening of Gasland in Chicago 53 00:02:50,141 --> 00:02:51,808 to ask Josh Fox about it. 54 00:03:38,272 --> 00:03:39,272 Excuse me, this is... 55 00:03:55,414 --> 00:03:59,082 Not relevant? Josh Fox, the director of Gasland, 56 00:03:59,208 --> 00:04:02,502 knew that one of the most dramatic scenes in his documentary 57 00:04:02,628 --> 00:04:05,630 probably had nothing to do with fracking, 58 00:04:05,756 --> 00:04:08,341 but decided not to tell his audience. 59 00:04:08,467 --> 00:04:11,303 So I put the exchange on YouTube. 60 00:04:11,429 --> 00:04:13,305 But before you could say "flaming faucets," 61 00:04:13,431 --> 00:04:17,475 Josh Fox got his lawyers to force YouTube to take it down. 62 00:04:17,602 --> 00:04:19,686 I put it on another website, 63 00:04:19,812 --> 00:04:23,857 but using a bogus copyright claim, he shut me down again. 64 00:04:23,983 --> 00:04:25,609 This was censorship. 65 00:04:25,735 --> 00:04:29,362 What was Josh Fox afraid of? What was he trying to hide? 66 00:04:29,488 --> 00:04:31,197 I needed to investigate. 67 00:04:31,365 --> 00:04:34,950 I decided to ask the public to help me make a film 68 00:04:35,076 --> 00:04:37,036 that would tell the true story about fracking. 69 00:04:37,162 --> 00:04:39,455 I went on the crowdfunding website Kickstarter. 70 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:42,791 Folks with big ideas but not a lot of money 71 00:04:42,917 --> 00:04:45,461 connect with people willing to fund them 72 00:04:45,587 --> 00:04:49,673 for everything from documentary films to new technology. 73 00:04:49,841 --> 00:04:52,259 Creators post a video, 74 00:04:52,427 --> 00:04:54,720 pitching an idea, and ask for donations. 75 00:04:54,846 --> 00:04:58,182 Anyone who likes it can give as much money or as little as they want. 76 00:04:58,350 --> 00:05:01,894 This is a film about people and it will be funded by people. 77 00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:04,980 It'll be funded by small donations from you and people like you 78 00:05:05,148 --> 00:05:06,607 who care about the truth. 79 00:05:06,733 --> 00:05:08,692 The response was amazing. 80 00:05:08,818 --> 00:05:10,277 People from all over the world 81 00:05:10,403 --> 00:05:13,655 were sending in $5.00, $10.00, $20.00. 82 00:05:13,781 --> 00:05:17,659 In the end, well over 3,000 people chipped in. 83 00:05:17,785 --> 00:05:19,786 Clearly, the truth about fracking 84 00:05:19,953 --> 00:05:22,830 is something they wanted but weren't getting. 85 00:05:22,956 --> 00:05:25,708 I went straight to the place that has been painted 86 00:05:25,834 --> 00:05:28,836 as the ultimate environmental wasteland caused by fracking. 87 00:05:29,004 --> 00:05:33,132 In tiny Dimock, Pennsylvania, there is trouble just below the surface. 88 00:05:34,301 --> 00:05:38,179 Methane in some of the water wells, enough for ignition at the tap, 89 00:05:38,347 --> 00:05:41,599 made famous by a scene from the documentary Gasland... 90 00:05:42,559 --> 00:05:44,727 As I drove around, I could see no wasteland. 91 00:05:45,312 --> 00:05:49,064 I did see beautiful farmland with rolling hills. 92 00:05:49,232 --> 00:05:51,817 Were people here as unhappy about fracking 93 00:05:51,943 --> 00:05:54,152 as the media and Josh Fox claimed? 94 00:05:54,737 --> 00:05:57,948 There was the guy that knocked at the door, knocked on Esther's door. 95 00:05:58,116 --> 00:06:01,368 Well, one day, a land man knocked at our door. 96 00:06:01,536 --> 00:06:03,787 A station wagon came down the driveway that I didn't recognize, 97 00:06:03,913 --> 00:06:06,707 and a gentleman came out and presented us 98 00:06:06,874 --> 00:06:08,959 with a proposed lease for the property. 99 00:06:09,085 --> 00:06:11,628 My grandfather has leased 100 00:06:11,754 --> 00:06:15,215 when other companies have come along in the past 101 00:06:15,341 --> 00:06:19,052 so we just thought, Grandpa would have done it, why can't we? 102 00:06:19,721 --> 00:06:22,222 More than a dozen families in Dimock, Pennsylvania 103 00:06:22,390 --> 00:06:23,806 have water that looks like this. 104 00:06:23,974 --> 00:06:26,135 The water came out looking like coffee with milk in it. 105 00:06:26,268 --> 00:06:29,311 Sautner says their water supply became contaminated 106 00:06:29,438 --> 00:06:31,689 when Cabot Oil Company started drilling 107 00:06:31,815 --> 00:06:34,191 and something got into their well water. 108 00:06:34,317 --> 00:06:37,820 Our son broke out in open sores down his legs 109 00:06:37,988 --> 00:06:39,488 from using the water here. 110 00:06:39,656 --> 00:06:44,493 Our daughter had big sores of... eczema? Is that what it's called? 111 00:06:44,619 --> 00:06:46,699 We shouldn't have to live like this. We're Americans. 112 00:06:46,705 --> 00:06:51,250 We knew we had iron, manganese, magnesium, aluminum, 113 00:06:51,376 --> 00:06:54,503 chloride, sodium, strontium, 114 00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:59,133 barium, three different types of uranium, 115 00:06:59,301 --> 00:07:01,426 two of them are weapons-grade. 116 00:07:01,552 --> 00:07:04,053 And a host of other chemicals, 117 00:07:04,180 --> 00:07:06,639 some I can't even pronounce the names of them. 118 00:07:06,807 --> 00:07:10,310 The state agency ordered Cabot to stop drilling new wells, 119 00:07:10,478 --> 00:07:13,438 and to deliver fresh water to affected residents. 120 00:07:13,606 --> 00:07:16,775 The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection 121 00:07:16,901 --> 00:07:19,569 introduced a moratorium, a ban, 122 00:07:19,695 --> 00:07:22,363 until they could study the situation. 123 00:07:22,490 --> 00:07:27,327 This meant no drilling by Cabot in a nine-mile box around Dimock. 124 00:07:27,453 --> 00:07:29,287 So it just put a kibosh on everything. 125 00:07:29,455 --> 00:07:31,956 We were 13 days out from having a permit 126 00:07:32,124 --> 00:07:34,250 where they actually could come in and start drilling, 127 00:07:34,376 --> 00:07:37,044 and all of a sudden they couldn't do anything. 128 00:07:37,212 --> 00:07:40,714 But Cabot, they put methane in the water. 129 00:07:40,882 --> 00:07:42,633 They polluted the water. 130 00:07:42,801 --> 00:07:44,301 - No. - Allegedly. 131 00:07:44,469 --> 00:07:45,469 Yeah. 132 00:07:45,595 --> 00:07:49,181 The next residence here is Craig and Julie Sautner, 133 00:07:49,307 --> 00:07:53,936 who have all kinds of claims of all kinds of chemical contamination, 134 00:07:54,062 --> 00:07:57,606 weapons-grade uranium, etc., etc. In their well. 135 00:07:57,732 --> 00:08:01,276 But they've never shown any lab data to verify it. 136 00:08:01,402 --> 00:08:03,403 They just claim it. 137 00:08:03,571 --> 00:08:07,658 Meanwhile, every well around them is active and online. 138 00:08:08,201 --> 00:08:12,079 I began to suspect that Craig Sautner's claims about contaminants, 139 00:08:12,247 --> 00:08:15,081 including weapons-grade uranium in his water, 140 00:08:15,207 --> 00:08:18,543 were greatly exaggerated, or maybe even false. 141 00:08:18,669 --> 00:08:21,045 Have you done independent testing yourself? 142 00:08:21,213 --> 00:08:25,216 We did, way back, you know, maybe two years ago. 143 00:08:25,342 --> 00:08:27,343 Two years ago we did some testing. 144 00:08:27,469 --> 00:08:30,179 But that, you know, I don't think we've done any testing since that. 145 00:08:30,305 --> 00:08:32,807 - Independent, you know. - And what did that show? 146 00:08:32,975 --> 00:08:35,309 I can't remember what that showed. 147 00:08:35,477 --> 00:08:38,729 They said, they said the test results weren't that bad, 148 00:08:38,814 --> 00:08:41,691 but I don't know if the guy was testing the water, 149 00:08:41,817 --> 00:08:43,943 you know, testing for the right things. 150 00:08:44,069 --> 00:08:45,910 See, there's some kind of, they gotta test 'em, 151 00:08:45,946 --> 00:08:49,031 test it a certain way, I forget how they said it, 152 00:08:49,199 --> 00:08:50,282 but it was, uh... 153 00:08:50,408 --> 00:08:52,534 I don't know how, I don't know how they do it. 154 00:08:52,702 --> 00:08:55,704 Can I get a sample of your water to take to lreland? 155 00:08:55,830 --> 00:08:58,498 Yeah, I'll give you a jug. I got jugs out in the... 156 00:08:58,624 --> 00:08:59,916 But the water now? 157 00:09:00,042 --> 00:09:01,084 I don't know what it looks like today. 158 00:09:01,210 --> 00:09:03,253 I mean, she said it wasn't looking as bad today. 159 00:09:03,379 --> 00:09:07,382 I mean, I got some, you know, it changes from day to day. 160 00:09:07,550 --> 00:09:10,635 One day it will be clearer, and the next day it won't. 161 00:09:10,761 --> 00:09:13,597 And Craig Sautner, who claims his water is muddy brown 162 00:09:13,681 --> 00:09:15,098 because of fracking, 163 00:09:15,266 --> 00:09:19,144 was only able to produce clear water when asked in front of a camera. 164 00:09:19,270 --> 00:09:21,688 It does change, you know, from one day to the next. 165 00:09:21,814 --> 00:09:23,899 So how can you trust a well? 166 00:09:24,066 --> 00:09:25,586 You know, all of a sudden you get, say, 167 00:09:25,651 --> 00:09:27,943 "Well, that looks okay but it does have a little bit of stuff in there." 168 00:09:28,069 --> 00:09:29,612 Say, well, then that's fine to use, 169 00:09:29,738 --> 00:09:31,947 and then the next day it comes out looking like this. 170 00:09:32,073 --> 00:09:34,575 It's not due to the drilling. 171 00:09:34,743 --> 00:09:37,536 There's always been methane in the water here. 172 00:09:37,662 --> 00:09:40,664 We grew up on the farm, on the house down here, 173 00:09:40,832 --> 00:09:44,627 and, you know, my grandfather drilled a well in 1945. 174 00:09:44,753 --> 00:09:47,588 The day he drilled the well, there was methane in it. 175 00:09:47,756 --> 00:09:51,592 I'll show you where the well is, that was drilled in '45. 176 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,719 - What's that? - That is the well. 177 00:09:53,887 --> 00:09:57,056 - And do you still use it? - The only thing we use it for 178 00:09:57,182 --> 00:10:00,935 is washing the cars or watering the garden. 179 00:10:01,102 --> 00:10:03,436 Because it is so red with iron. 180 00:10:03,604 --> 00:10:06,606 It has methane too, but the methane don't hurt you. 181 00:10:06,774 --> 00:10:08,816 It's the iron turns everything red. 182 00:10:08,943 --> 00:10:12,403 So, what's this then? 183 00:10:12,529 --> 00:10:16,908 This is the second well that we drilled, in the 70s. 184 00:10:17,076 --> 00:10:21,204 - And what's in that well? - Methane. 185 00:10:22,623 --> 00:10:24,832 Iron. 186 00:10:24,959 --> 00:10:27,001 Sulfur. 187 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:30,588 We still use it. No problems. 188 00:10:30,756 --> 00:10:33,967 But the moratorium was not going to be the only problem 189 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:35,343 for the people of Dimock. 190 00:10:35,511 --> 00:10:37,971 Now they were going to be served with a massive bill 191 00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:40,681 for a pipeline that was supposed to solve a problem 192 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:42,766 that they knew did not exist. 193 00:10:42,976 --> 00:10:45,394 The Pennsylvania infrastructure investment Authority 194 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,105 voted Tuesday on a controversial project. 195 00:10:48,272 --> 00:10:51,650 They decided to give $12 million to build a water pipeline 196 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:53,735 between Montrose and Dimock. 197 00:10:53,861 --> 00:10:57,406 It was a fiat. it was simply, "This is what we are going to do". 198 00:10:57,615 --> 00:11:01,368 We reacted in anger. We were citizens of this community, 199 00:11:01,494 --> 00:11:05,455 and you don't expect to have $12 million of the state's money 200 00:11:05,581 --> 00:11:08,291 committed to a project that may or may not make any sense, 201 00:11:08,418 --> 00:11:09,668 that hasn't been researched, 202 00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:11,378 that alternatives haven't been considered for. 203 00:11:11,546 --> 00:11:14,673 So we all got together and formed a group called "Enough Already" 204 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:16,674 because we had had enough already. 205 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,641 It was just a group of people that got together 206 00:11:18,677 --> 00:11:23,180 and said, "Look, this is ridiculous." We've had enough. Enough already. 207 00:11:23,348 --> 00:11:25,725 After we had a couple of meetings, 208 00:11:25,892 --> 00:11:30,938 we decided to get a petition around and have everybody sign it. 209 00:11:31,064 --> 00:11:33,607 We had over 1,500 signatures. 210 00:11:33,775 --> 00:11:38,237 The water line issue has split this tiny rural Susquehanna County town, 211 00:11:38,363 --> 00:11:39,447 and quite literally. 212 00:11:39,573 --> 00:11:42,283 - ...you! - We had to do something. 213 00:11:42,451 --> 00:11:45,202 We just didn't like being trashed all the time. 214 00:11:45,370 --> 00:11:48,205 Dimock is not a wasteland, it's not a gasland. 215 00:11:48,373 --> 00:11:50,041 It's not a ghost town. 216 00:11:50,167 --> 00:11:51,875 We're tired of getting on the internet 217 00:11:52,043 --> 00:11:56,046 and reading blogs where people are just lying, saying, 218 00:11:56,213 --> 00:11:59,340 "I drove into Dimock and I immediately got sick 219 00:11:59,508 --> 00:12:00,508 from breathing the air." 220 00:12:00,676 --> 00:12:04,971 We have been the victims of a continual deluge 221 00:12:05,097 --> 00:12:07,182 of completely inaccurate reporting 222 00:12:07,308 --> 00:12:09,726 about the condition of the water in this community. 223 00:12:09,894 --> 00:12:12,228 It seemed the voices of the ordinary people in Dimock 224 00:12:12,396 --> 00:12:15,982 who were saying their water was fine weren't being heard. 225 00:12:16,108 --> 00:12:17,609 It wasn't hard to see why. 226 00:12:17,985 --> 00:12:21,321 Josh Fox was getting huge support from Hollywood celebrities. 227 00:12:21,447 --> 00:12:23,114 Some even came to Dimock. 228 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,659 Dimock, we made it, we're here, we come in love. 229 00:12:26,786 --> 00:12:29,161 People are fractured. We're all fractured over this. 230 00:12:29,329 --> 00:12:31,872 The locals didn't stand a chance. 231 00:12:31,998 --> 00:12:35,209 There's a common misconception out there 232 00:12:35,335 --> 00:12:38,462 that the Dimock community is fighting the gas company. 233 00:12:38,588 --> 00:12:41,340 The Dimock community loves Cabot. 234 00:12:41,508 --> 00:12:45,594 There's 11 litigants and a few other stray oddballs here and there 235 00:12:45,762 --> 00:12:47,346 that are fighting them. 236 00:12:47,514 --> 00:12:51,642 The rest of us, we want drilling to proceed as normal, 237 00:12:51,768 --> 00:12:54,478 and beef up our economy, and create jobs. 238 00:12:54,938 --> 00:12:57,815 It's our right to make our voices known. 239 00:12:57,941 --> 00:13:00,984 And apparently we did. 240 00:13:01,111 --> 00:13:03,529 - The water line got stopped. - The water line got stopped. 241 00:13:03,947 --> 00:13:06,906 It was a big win for this grassroots organization. 242 00:13:07,074 --> 00:13:09,200 But their fight wasn't over. 243 00:13:09,952 --> 00:13:13,913 The moratorium was still in place and the Sautners and ten other families 244 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:16,040 were still suing the gas company. 245 00:13:16,834 --> 00:13:19,502 As for the rest of the citizens of Dimock, 246 00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:24,006 well, their lives were on hold. Was this justified? 247 00:13:26,468 --> 00:13:29,220 I'm Bryan Swistock. I'm a water resources specialist 248 00:13:29,346 --> 00:13:32,014 here at Penn State in the School of Forest Resources. 249 00:13:32,141 --> 00:13:34,142 I work for a cooperative extension, 250 00:13:34,309 --> 00:13:37,645 do education, outreach and applied research projects. 251 00:13:37,813 --> 00:13:40,565 Specifically, in this case, we were doing a research project 252 00:13:40,690 --> 00:13:43,650 looking at the potential impacts of Marcellus shale 253 00:13:43,818 --> 00:13:45,569 on private drinking water supplies. 254 00:13:45,736 --> 00:13:49,656 In summary, our study really did not see any clear changes 255 00:13:49,782 --> 00:13:52,200 in water quality due to hydraulic fracturing. 256 00:13:52,326 --> 00:13:54,953 We didn't see any increases in methane in water 257 00:13:55,079 --> 00:13:57,164 as a result of the process. 258 00:13:57,331 --> 00:13:58,665 What about the flaming faucets? 259 00:13:58,833 --> 00:14:02,335 Sure. Yeah, there can be many natural sources of methane, 260 00:14:02,461 --> 00:14:04,212 and it's not really anything new. 261 00:14:04,338 --> 00:14:06,965 You can have methane in water for a variety of reasons. 262 00:14:07,133 --> 00:14:08,967 It can be what's called biogenic methane, 263 00:14:09,135 --> 00:14:12,762 which is naturally occurring, just due to natural decomposition. 264 00:14:12,889 --> 00:14:14,681 Maybe you're located next to a stream 265 00:14:14,849 --> 00:14:17,641 where there's been a lot of organic matter decomposing over time. 266 00:14:17,809 --> 00:14:21,979 We had some people that told stories of lighting their faucets on fire 267 00:14:22,105 --> 00:14:25,357 for years now, well before any of this drilling started. 268 00:14:27,235 --> 00:14:28,903 A flaming fountain, 269 00:14:29,029 --> 00:14:32,031 the most unusual artesian well in the country. 270 00:14:32,157 --> 00:14:34,742 Forty years ago, a well was dug in the front of the courthouse 271 00:14:34,951 --> 00:14:36,827 at Colfax, Louisiana. 272 00:14:37,078 --> 00:14:39,872 At 600 feet, they struck natural gas. 273 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,208 And at 1,100 feet, salt water. 274 00:14:42,375 --> 00:14:45,669 More or less discouraged over the matter of a drinking fountain 275 00:14:45,837 --> 00:14:49,089 for the courthouse square, they fixed up a small bathing pool 276 00:14:49,257 --> 00:14:51,217 for children at the base of the fountain, 277 00:14:51,384 --> 00:14:53,302 and touched off the escaping gas. 278 00:14:58,474 --> 00:15:00,558 The result, especially at night, 279 00:15:00,684 --> 00:15:03,269 is a fiery fountain of strange beauty 280 00:15:03,395 --> 00:15:06,940 that has burned on and on almost half a century. 281 00:15:09,652 --> 00:15:13,363 There are even towns across America called Burning Springs. 282 00:15:13,489 --> 00:15:15,031 That's how much gas is out there. 283 00:15:15,157 --> 00:15:17,867 And George Washington and Thomas Paine 284 00:15:18,035 --> 00:15:20,370 lit the water on the Millstone River in New Jersey 285 00:15:20,537 --> 00:15:23,414 on December 15th, 1798, 286 00:15:23,540 --> 00:15:27,210 150 years before fracking even started. 287 00:15:27,378 --> 00:15:29,545 So, what is fracking? 288 00:15:29,672 --> 00:15:31,672 Fracking is a very efficient way 289 00:15:31,798 --> 00:15:34,758 of getting oil and natural gas out of the ground. 290 00:15:34,926 --> 00:15:38,262 Activists make it seem like fracking is something very new 291 00:15:38,388 --> 00:15:40,597 that we know little about. It's not. 292 00:15:40,765 --> 00:15:43,267 It's been around since 1947 293 00:15:43,393 --> 00:15:46,520 when the first frack well was drilled in Kansas. 294 00:15:46,646 --> 00:15:48,772 And this is what it looks like. 295 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:52,567 A pipe is drilled into the earth more than a mile down, 296 00:15:52,694 --> 00:15:56,571 about the length of 200 school buses parked end to end. 297 00:15:56,698 --> 00:15:59,908 And that is very far away from the water table. 298 00:16:00,034 --> 00:16:02,286 To keep the water going down 299 00:16:02,412 --> 00:16:05,747 and the gas going up inside the pipe, and everything else, 300 00:16:05,873 --> 00:16:10,167 outside the pipe there is layer after layer of steel and cement. 301 00:16:11,503 --> 00:16:13,170 What's new is that before, 302 00:16:13,297 --> 00:16:15,840 every time geologists discovered oil and gas, 303 00:16:15,966 --> 00:16:18,509 they had to drill right there to get it. 304 00:16:18,635 --> 00:16:22,138 So there were lots of holes in the ground. 305 00:16:24,975 --> 00:16:28,311 But then someone who is much better at math and science than me 306 00:16:28,437 --> 00:16:30,271 thought up how to angle the drilling bit 307 00:16:30,397 --> 00:16:33,566 so it goes not only down, but sideways. 308 00:16:33,734 --> 00:16:37,236 Now the engineers did not have to drill directly above their target, 309 00:16:37,404 --> 00:16:39,780 so they could, often together with farmers, 310 00:16:39,948 --> 00:16:41,907 choose where to put the gas wells. 311 00:16:42,117 --> 00:16:45,493 And from one pad they could drill in many different directions. 312 00:16:45,619 --> 00:16:48,955 So suddenly there were far fewer drilling sites around. 313 00:16:49,123 --> 00:16:52,500 Then, deep underground, water and sand with chemical additives 314 00:16:52,626 --> 00:16:57,172 are pushed out to open tiny cracks in the rock to set the gas free. 315 00:16:58,382 --> 00:17:00,967 And then the engineers bring back the hills, 316 00:17:01,093 --> 00:17:05,013 grass and animals around the well. It's called "reclamation." 317 00:17:05,139 --> 00:17:08,683 And from then on, the gas can flow up the pipes, into people's homes 318 00:17:08,809 --> 00:17:12,520 for another 20, 30, or even 40 years. 319 00:17:15,232 --> 00:17:18,526 This is not new technology. Fracturing has been going on here 320 00:17:18,694 --> 00:17:21,403 continuously since its inception 60 years ago. 321 00:17:21,529 --> 00:17:23,449 The equipment's the same, the pumps are the same, 322 00:17:23,531 --> 00:17:25,115 the iron's the same, the standards are the same. 323 00:17:25,241 --> 00:17:27,826 What's different is what we are fracking is shale. 324 00:17:27,952 --> 00:17:30,245 It's the formation, it's not the process that's different. 325 00:17:30,372 --> 00:17:33,415 These guys have many years of experience doing this. 326 00:17:33,541 --> 00:17:36,418 Anyone on this location has the ability to shut down this job. 327 00:17:36,586 --> 00:17:38,387 If they see something that they see as unsafe, 328 00:17:38,505 --> 00:17:40,214 they can shut down this job. 329 00:17:40,298 --> 00:17:43,634 So if I was to leave here and jump on top of one of those tanks... 330 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,428 We would shut this job down in a heartbeat, yeah. 331 00:17:46,638 --> 00:17:50,140 I've been working in Pennsylvania since 2008, 332 00:17:50,308 --> 00:17:53,519 so I've been here three years. 333 00:17:53,686 --> 00:17:56,396 We've been married 19 years, and we've moved 22 times. 334 00:17:56,563 --> 00:17:59,399 And now we just recently moved back to Pennsylvania. 335 00:17:59,566 --> 00:18:01,859 Tony grew up in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, 336 00:18:02,027 --> 00:18:05,780 and we both attended Penn State. Two of our children were born here. 337 00:18:05,906 --> 00:18:08,533 So we call this home. We love it here. 338 00:18:08,659 --> 00:18:10,827 This is a beautiful place to live. 339 00:18:10,953 --> 00:18:15,790 So why would we come in here and want to purposely destroy that? 340 00:18:15,916 --> 00:18:18,751 What is the benefit to us? What kind of business sense does it make 341 00:18:18,919 --> 00:18:22,338 to come in and try to pollute the drinking water of an area? 342 00:18:22,464 --> 00:18:24,340 It's ludicrous. It's a ludicrous claim. 343 00:18:25,801 --> 00:18:28,344 What do you think the popular perception of fracking is? 344 00:18:28,846 --> 00:18:31,097 First of all, the perception that they're getting 345 00:18:31,265 --> 00:18:33,390 about fracturing is the entire drilling completions 346 00:18:33,516 --> 00:18:38,228 and production process is fracking, which is totally not the case. 347 00:18:38,354 --> 00:18:42,274 Fracking is one part of a much bigger process, 348 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,737 and it's three days in the life of a well that's gonna last 40 years. 349 00:18:48,698 --> 00:18:52,284 But what about the claim that fracking is completely unregulated? 350 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:55,370 Environmentalists say that the 2005 Energy Bill 351 00:18:55,496 --> 00:18:57,664 removed all regulation from fracking 352 00:18:57,790 --> 00:18:59,875 and left the public unprotected. 353 00:19:00,251 --> 00:19:04,254 "The Halliburton Loophole." 354 00:19:04,422 --> 00:19:07,841 But that wasn't true. Oil and gas drilling always has, 355 00:19:08,009 --> 00:19:13,345 for over 100 years, been heavily regulated by individual states. 356 00:19:13,472 --> 00:19:15,556 The permit's just to construct the well, 357 00:19:15,682 --> 00:19:20,352 include conducting a PNDI search, an ESEGP1. 358 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,982 You have to test water purveyors within 1,000 feet of the location, 359 00:19:25,108 --> 00:19:28,027 township approvals, pre-construction and pre-drill. 360 00:19:28,153 --> 00:19:30,362 We screen for cultural resources, 361 00:19:30,489 --> 00:19:33,908 we find anything we have to do. Phase one and phase two. 362 00:19:34,034 --> 00:19:37,077 Survey the location, stream crossing permits, 363 00:19:37,204 --> 00:19:39,663 water management planning. That would include a study 364 00:19:39,831 --> 00:19:41,957 of the impact of habitats of fish. 365 00:19:42,083 --> 00:19:43,375 For any impoundments you're gonna build, 366 00:19:43,543 --> 00:19:45,460 you're gonna need another ESEGP1. 367 00:19:45,586 --> 00:19:48,129 You're gonna need a dam permit for any pipelines, 368 00:19:48,297 --> 00:19:51,633 any compression, any processing that you're gonna need. 369 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:53,259 You're gonna need all those same permits as well. 370 00:19:53,344 --> 00:19:58,348 ESEGP1, PNDI, cultural resources, an emissions permit as well. 371 00:19:58,516 --> 00:20:01,518 And then there's the drilling permit itself that you have to apply for, 372 00:20:01,644 --> 00:20:04,562 and that's the only one that's really concerned about the well. 373 00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:06,272 So there's numerous permits that you have to get, 374 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,066 all in advance before doing anything. 375 00:20:08,234 --> 00:20:12,904 So our planning cycle is anywhere from two to three years 376 00:20:13,030 --> 00:20:17,200 in advance of doing any kind of drilling or completions. 377 00:20:17,368 --> 00:20:20,286 The 2005 bill didn't create any loophole. 378 00:20:20,412 --> 00:20:22,955 It just kept a huge number of regulations 379 00:20:23,122 --> 00:20:25,791 where they've always been, at the state level. 380 00:20:25,959 --> 00:20:30,587 The bill was passed after Republicans and Democrats supported it. 381 00:20:30,755 --> 00:20:34,383 Even Senator Barack Obama voted for the legislation. 382 00:20:36,803 --> 00:20:40,222 Just over the hill from Dimock is the town of Montrose. 383 00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:42,391 There's no moratorium there. 384 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:46,103 Ron White leased his land for drilling a few years ago, 385 00:20:46,312 --> 00:20:48,855 and lives right beside an active gas well. 386 00:20:49,357 --> 00:20:54,111 So where are we now? What are we sitting in? 387 00:20:54,237 --> 00:20:57,614 - We're sitting on the gas pad. - That's your farm there? 388 00:20:57,739 --> 00:20:59,824 That's my farm up there, yep. 389 00:20:59,950 --> 00:21:03,411 And so it's just a few hundred yards from your farm. 390 00:21:03,579 --> 00:21:07,331 400 yards. 1200 feet. 391 00:21:07,457 --> 00:21:09,959 - How do you feel about that? - I feel good about that. 392 00:21:10,085 --> 00:21:13,004 I can stand at the barn every day and see what's making money out here. 393 00:21:13,171 --> 00:21:15,548 The dairy industry isn't too good right now. 394 00:21:15,674 --> 00:21:17,800 Since the gas came along, this is the best cow on the farm. 395 00:21:17,926 --> 00:21:20,928 I make the most money on this cow and don't have to buy any grain for her. 396 00:21:24,474 --> 00:21:27,810 It's made things a lot better. When a tractor breaks or something, 397 00:21:27,936 --> 00:21:30,563 now I don't have to wonder what I'm gonna do to be able to pay 398 00:21:30,731 --> 00:21:32,565 for a new motor or something. 399 00:21:32,691 --> 00:21:35,233 And we've been able to buy some newer equipment 400 00:21:35,401 --> 00:21:37,152 to make things a lot easier. 401 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,238 If it wasn't for the natural gas, we wouldn't still be farming. 402 00:21:40,656 --> 00:21:42,949 Milking cows twice a day, doing what we love, 403 00:21:43,117 --> 00:21:44,659 it'd be a whole different ball game, and chances are 404 00:21:44,785 --> 00:21:46,911 I probably wouldn't be on the farm still. 405 00:21:48,205 --> 00:21:50,498 Everything they told us was gonna happen has happened. 406 00:21:50,583 --> 00:21:53,793 It might not have happened exactly or on the same timeline, 407 00:21:53,919 --> 00:21:56,755 but it's happened. Nothing's happened that's bad. 408 00:21:56,881 --> 00:21:59,716 I can't say a bad thing about it. 409 00:21:59,842 --> 00:22:03,303 - Come on. What about your water? - Nothing with the water. 410 00:22:03,471 --> 00:22:06,473 They tested our water before they done anything. 411 00:22:06,641 --> 00:22:10,185 They've tested our water twice after they've done what they've done, 412 00:22:10,311 --> 00:22:12,978 and the levels of anything in the water are no different 413 00:22:13,146 --> 00:22:14,647 than they were before. 414 00:22:14,814 --> 00:22:16,774 My cows are drinking the water out of our pond up there, 415 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:19,818 and out of the spring out here, and we're drinking water out of our wells 416 00:22:19,944 --> 00:22:21,654 and it's no different than it ever was. 417 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,830 A lot of the fracas about fracking started in the Delaware River Basin. 418 00:22:31,998 --> 00:22:33,832 Josh Fox says he lives there 419 00:22:33,958 --> 00:22:36,877 and was offered a large sum of money to lease his property. 420 00:22:37,837 --> 00:22:41,423 This started him on his crusade to ban fracking. 421 00:22:41,591 --> 00:22:45,969 I wanted to hear the story from the farmers who lived there. 422 00:22:46,137 --> 00:22:48,346 You're gonna grab a hold of my shoulders. There you go. 423 00:22:48,472 --> 00:22:50,348 Hop on like you're getting on a horse. 424 00:22:50,516 --> 00:22:53,267 - I've never been on a horse. - Have you been on a four-wheeler? 425 00:22:53,394 --> 00:22:54,519 No, never. 426 00:22:54,687 --> 00:22:56,020 This your first time on a four-wheeler too? 427 00:22:56,146 --> 00:22:57,730 - Yeah. 428 00:22:59,441 --> 00:23:04,278 This farm was part of the Schweighofer family for generations. 429 00:23:04,446 --> 00:23:08,032 My children are actually the seventh generation. 430 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,034 This is where we live, 431 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,871 and the only way that we make a living is by farming. 432 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:16,582 Out of the nursery! Out of the nursery! 433 00:23:17,084 --> 00:23:18,960 Scare 'em. Scare 'em. 434 00:23:19,128 --> 00:23:23,672 Early in 2007, the land man came 435 00:23:23,798 --> 00:23:26,383 to Wayne County and began knocking on doors. 436 00:23:26,551 --> 00:23:29,094 I first phoned Marion and Ed Schweighofer 437 00:23:29,262 --> 00:23:31,179 to see what their thoughts were onto it, 438 00:23:31,347 --> 00:23:35,559 and we decided, yeah, that was a good idea to get together. 439 00:23:35,727 --> 00:23:38,019 So then we invited other people 440 00:23:38,146 --> 00:23:40,147 and we had another meeting 441 00:23:40,314 --> 00:23:43,650 at the Damascus Township building, 442 00:23:43,776 --> 00:23:45,235 and had quite a crowd there. 443 00:23:45,361 --> 00:23:47,571 It must have been... it was jam-packed. 444 00:23:47,739 --> 00:23:50,824 You couldn't get another person in there, I don't think, 445 00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:52,710 'cause everybody was interested by this time. 446 00:23:52,827 --> 00:23:54,786 In the process we formed an organization 447 00:23:54,912 --> 00:23:56,955 called the Northern Wayne Property Owners Alliance. 448 00:23:57,081 --> 00:24:00,166 It's a loose consortium of around 449 00:24:00,417 --> 00:24:03,753 1100 property owners 450 00:24:03,879 --> 00:24:06,756 who in aggregate own, 451 00:24:06,923 --> 00:24:11,093 control, well over 100,000 acres of property. 452 00:24:15,849 --> 00:24:17,933 One of our biggest things right from the start 453 00:24:18,101 --> 00:24:19,852 was we wanted it to be safe. 454 00:24:20,020 --> 00:24:23,355 We wanted them to drill, but we wanted them to drill safe. 455 00:24:23,523 --> 00:24:26,400 As agriculture people and farmers, 456 00:24:26,568 --> 00:24:28,694 we took time to really look into this. 457 00:24:28,862 --> 00:24:33,032 One of our most precious commodities is water when you're on a farm. 458 00:24:33,158 --> 00:24:34,784 Everything from making a gallon of milk 459 00:24:34,910 --> 00:24:36,951 to growing a tomato takes water. 460 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,746 If the gas companies came in and destroyed our water 461 00:24:39,914 --> 00:24:40,914 and destroyed our land, 462 00:24:41,081 --> 00:24:42,961 all the money in the world wouldn't be worth it. 463 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,211 Working together, the farmers designed their own lease, 464 00:24:46,337 --> 00:24:48,922 and after negotiations, signed with the gas company. 465 00:24:49,089 --> 00:24:51,800 Farmers and the gas industry 466 00:24:51,926 --> 00:24:54,594 can coexist very well together. 467 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,679 It's not a new industry for farmers 468 00:24:56,847 --> 00:24:59,849 because the gas industry, the oil industry, 469 00:24:59,975 --> 00:25:04,395 arrived in Pennsylvania probably 100 years ago. 470 00:25:04,522 --> 00:25:08,817 The lease that was ultimately signed was the best lease around. 471 00:25:08,943 --> 00:25:11,945 It was used as a model around the country. 472 00:25:12,446 --> 00:25:14,863 We also had the gas company 473 00:25:14,989 --> 00:25:18,033 say, look, this is something we're very happy with, 474 00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:22,204 we would like to give this as a model to some other groups 475 00:25:22,330 --> 00:25:23,872 that we're negotiating with. 476 00:25:23,998 --> 00:25:27,292 As this was building up, you had Gasland come out, 477 00:25:27,418 --> 00:25:30,546 and as something that influences opinion, 478 00:25:30,672 --> 00:25:32,673 it was frankly very effective, 479 00:25:32,841 --> 00:25:37,636 in spite of the fact that most of the content happens to be totally wrong 480 00:25:37,762 --> 00:25:38,929 and has been discredited. 481 00:25:39,097 --> 00:25:40,764 We will not let you poison our water! 482 00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:43,183 So the folks that I call the anties, 483 00:25:43,309 --> 00:25:47,187 they began a campaign to stop all drilling in the area, 484 00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,731 and to designate the Delaware River as the most endangered river 485 00:25:50,899 --> 00:25:53,484 in the United States due to fracking. 486 00:25:53,652 --> 00:25:57,029 The Delaware River Basin Commission came into the picture 487 00:25:57,197 --> 00:26:00,324 and basically shut everything down. 488 00:26:00,450 --> 00:26:02,660 This was a shock to all of us, because what it meant, 489 00:26:02,828 --> 00:26:04,495 everything come to a standstill. 490 00:26:04,663 --> 00:26:08,165 It's just been three years of pure hell since then 491 00:26:08,292 --> 00:26:09,917 as far as trying to get something done. 492 00:26:10,043 --> 00:26:13,254 If the moratorium on gas drilling isn't lifted, 493 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:16,090 we're gonna see a long haul of hardship 494 00:26:16,258 --> 00:26:17,633 for this part of the country. 495 00:26:17,801 --> 00:26:22,847 Way back in 1950, there was 1200 farms in the county. 496 00:26:22,973 --> 00:26:24,932 Now there's about 70 in the county. 497 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,475 Upkeep is what kills most farms. 498 00:26:28,811 --> 00:26:30,854 There becomes a time you've gotta upgrade. 499 00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:33,064 Stuff has to be replaced. 500 00:26:33,232 --> 00:26:37,485 And if the money's not there, you just can't do it. 501 00:26:38,237 --> 00:26:41,072 If the moratorium stays in place, 502 00:26:42,408 --> 00:26:45,368 I probably won't last another five years here. 503 00:26:45,953 --> 00:26:48,622 I'll be lucky if I last another two. 504 00:26:50,833 --> 00:26:52,542 The farms are slowly going out of business. 505 00:26:52,668 --> 00:26:54,961 They are getting replaced by houses. 506 00:26:55,087 --> 00:26:57,756 Houses are more wells, more sewer systems, more traffic. 507 00:26:57,882 --> 00:26:59,507 It's not good for the environment. 508 00:26:59,675 --> 00:27:03,302 Our open space, our farm fields, our forests, 509 00:27:03,428 --> 00:27:05,846 they're actually the lungs of the river. 510 00:27:05,972 --> 00:27:09,475 So when it rains and the rain falls on our open space, 511 00:27:09,601 --> 00:27:12,186 it's filtered, it becomes part of the aquifer, 512 00:27:12,354 --> 00:27:13,687 part of the water system. 513 00:27:13,813 --> 00:27:17,775 So those people who want to maintain the beauty 514 00:27:17,901 --> 00:27:21,695 and the pristine bucolic nature of this area 515 00:27:21,821 --> 00:27:24,990 should in fact be supporting natural gas 516 00:27:25,116 --> 00:27:28,953 as a way to maintain our forests and our open space. 517 00:27:33,875 --> 00:27:36,460 This land is part of me. 518 00:27:37,128 --> 00:27:41,547 I fight for years just trying to hold onto it. 519 00:27:42,716 --> 00:27:45,218 I grew up here. 520 00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:48,554 Why would I want to sell it? 521 00:27:52,142 --> 00:27:55,478 We've owned the land for 150, 175 years. 522 00:27:55,646 --> 00:27:57,188 It becomes very personal to you. 523 00:27:57,356 --> 00:28:00,692 These fields are here because my ancestors cleared them. 524 00:28:00,818 --> 00:28:04,278 Everything on this farm was done by my ancestors. 525 00:28:09,076 --> 00:28:13,663 There is not one farmer in this area that wants to be the one 526 00:28:13,831 --> 00:28:17,749 that will have to sell the family farm off. 527 00:28:18,668 --> 00:28:21,461 There is also not one farmer in this area 528 00:28:21,587 --> 00:28:25,549 that isn't afraid that they will be the generation 529 00:28:25,675 --> 00:28:29,302 that cannot continue to make a living on the farm. 530 00:28:31,222 --> 00:28:33,265 We love this land, 531 00:28:33,766 --> 00:28:36,351 and we don't want anything to happen to it. 532 00:28:40,189 --> 00:28:43,150 Very dear to my heart, this property. 533 00:28:44,819 --> 00:28:48,363 And I think the gas company can take care of it 534 00:28:48,531 --> 00:28:50,949 without destroying it. 535 00:28:53,869 --> 00:28:55,369 Are you ready to keep winning? 536 00:28:58,790 --> 00:29:01,042 When I talked to, I think, a lot of you 537 00:29:01,209 --> 00:29:04,253 in Philadelphia about two months ago, 538 00:29:04,421 --> 00:29:09,925 and I said, if they come forward with regulations to frack the Delaware, 539 00:29:10,052 --> 00:29:13,804 we are going to shut them down... remember that? 540 00:29:13,972 --> 00:29:17,349 And the whole crowd was saying, "Shut them down!" 541 00:29:17,476 --> 00:29:20,936 Well, you shut them down! 542 00:29:22,064 --> 00:29:24,690 You shut them down before they got started! 543 00:29:26,693 --> 00:29:30,487 Thank you, Josh! Thank you, Josh! 544 00:29:30,654 --> 00:29:33,823 Thank you, Josh! Thank you, Josh! 545 00:29:39,622 --> 00:29:42,373 How could this have been done to these people? 546 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,918 Thousands of farmers have had their lives ruined 547 00:29:45,044 --> 00:29:47,420 by a decision made in a government office 548 00:29:47,546 --> 00:29:50,340 hundreds of miles away in Trenton, New Jersey. 549 00:29:50,841 --> 00:29:53,259 Carol Collier is the executive director 550 00:29:53,385 --> 00:29:55,637 of the Delaware River Basin Commission 551 00:29:55,763 --> 00:29:58,098 which put the moratorium in place. 552 00:29:58,265 --> 00:30:01,768 She seems to have inappropriate ties to Josh Fox 553 00:30:01,894 --> 00:30:03,353 and the anti-fracking movement. 554 00:30:04,229 --> 00:30:07,439 I've spoken to some farmers in Wayne County 555 00:30:07,607 --> 00:30:09,441 and, like, Sullivan County. 556 00:30:09,609 --> 00:30:13,862 And they say there is a bias against the land owners, 557 00:30:14,030 --> 00:30:17,324 that you agreed at one stage to go to a fundraiser for Gasland 558 00:30:17,408 --> 00:30:20,285 and only withdrew when they pointed it out. 559 00:30:20,411 --> 00:30:23,539 That was quite a while ago, but actually 560 00:30:23,623 --> 00:30:27,126 at that point when I was asked to be on that panel, 561 00:30:27,293 --> 00:30:29,795 I was not told that it was a fundraiser. 562 00:30:29,963 --> 00:30:32,965 And when I did learn it was a fundraiser, I did back out. 563 00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:38,428 They told me you didn't go because they embarrassed you into not going. 564 00:30:38,555 --> 00:30:43,015 They obviously saw how inappropriate, even though you didn't. 565 00:30:43,142 --> 00:30:47,186 Well, they don't have the whole story, because what I'm saying is, 566 00:30:47,312 --> 00:30:49,480 that I did not know it was a fundraiser. 567 00:30:49,606 --> 00:30:53,234 When they informed me it was a fundraiser, I backed out. 568 00:30:53,402 --> 00:30:55,194 It's fine that you brought this up. 569 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,365 It's cool. I already said "no" to that, so you know, whatever. 570 00:30:59,533 --> 00:31:01,784 And do you think it's appropriate that your name 571 00:31:01,910 --> 00:31:04,579 is on the credits of Gasland? 572 00:31:06,456 --> 00:31:09,542 I am very surprised my name is on those credits. 573 00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:12,920 I did not know it was there. Josh never asked me. 574 00:31:13,046 --> 00:31:15,590 And if you look at my track record, and what we've done here... 575 00:31:15,757 --> 00:31:18,091 Well, I'm looking at your track record here. 576 00:31:21,804 --> 00:31:23,430 It's quite a record, that. 577 00:31:25,016 --> 00:31:27,058 For a public servant. 578 00:31:28,978 --> 00:31:32,772 I fail to see how significant that is. 579 00:31:34,734 --> 00:31:42,734 Thank you. 580 00:31:46,204 --> 00:31:51,499 Next time I'll check more on background and credentials. 581 00:31:51,667 --> 00:31:53,792 - Do you want to see my credentials? - Well... 582 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,128 - Do you have a card? - Yes. 583 00:31:58,173 --> 00:32:00,591 Are you concerned about my background? 584 00:32:03,345 --> 00:32:06,555 I'm concerned about the purpose of the film. 585 00:32:06,681 --> 00:32:09,099 It's to find the truth about fracking. 586 00:32:09,893 --> 00:32:12,436 Carol Collier, whose actions are causing hardship 587 00:32:12,562 --> 00:32:16,106 to thousands of families in the Delaware River Basin, 588 00:32:16,233 --> 00:32:18,317 clearly didn't like being asked questions. 589 00:32:18,443 --> 00:32:22,154 As I was leaving, she attempted to have her lawyer confiscate our film. 590 00:32:29,037 --> 00:32:34,123 I don't know what you are here for. I'm really concerned. 591 00:32:34,291 --> 00:32:37,669 Could I have your film? I would like the film, please. 592 00:32:37,795 --> 00:32:39,921 You guys. 593 00:32:41,382 --> 00:32:42,423 Thank you. 594 00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:47,262 This was really bad news for the farmers in the Delaware River Basin. 595 00:32:47,429 --> 00:32:50,139 Josh Fox and powerful government officials 596 00:32:50,266 --> 00:32:52,141 robbed them of their livelihoods. 597 00:32:52,268 --> 00:32:55,436 And all of this happened because of the story Josh Fox tells 598 00:32:55,604 --> 00:32:57,855 in the opening of his film Gasland. 599 00:32:57,982 --> 00:33:01,776 One day I got a letter in the mail. It was from a natural gas company. 600 00:33:01,902 --> 00:33:03,778 The letter told me that my land was on top of 601 00:33:03,946 --> 00:33:06,530 a formation called the Marcellus shale. 602 00:33:06,614 --> 00:33:09,116 I could lease my land to this company 603 00:33:09,242 --> 00:33:14,663 and I would receive a signing bonus of $4,750 an acre. 604 00:33:14,872 --> 00:33:16,915 Having 19.5 acres, 605 00:33:17,041 --> 00:33:20,919 that was nearly $100,000 right there in my hand. 606 00:33:21,045 --> 00:33:22,504 But the story wasn't true. 607 00:33:22,672 --> 00:33:25,215 Ironically, when you look at Gasland and you zoom... 608 00:33:25,341 --> 00:33:27,259 They have a scene where they're zooming in 609 00:33:27,427 --> 00:33:31,847 on the alleged original lease, it is our lease. 610 00:33:32,056 --> 00:33:36,727 It is an NWPOA lease draft that we had written, 611 00:33:36,936 --> 00:33:39,438 and it's blackened out, but it's ours, 612 00:33:39,605 --> 00:33:41,398 not one that a company offered him. 613 00:33:41,566 --> 00:33:45,735 Marion showed me how she first noticed that. 614 00:33:45,902 --> 00:33:49,405 The farmer's lease had two minor typos on the first page, 615 00:33:49,531 --> 00:33:52,533 a double spacing and a missing quotation mark. 616 00:33:52,659 --> 00:33:57,246 And so did the lease Josh Fox is holding up in Gasland. 617 00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:01,917 So thousands of journalists who watched Gasland 618 00:34:02,085 --> 00:34:04,628 and went on to write all those stories about fracking 619 00:34:04,755 --> 00:34:06,964 never listened to the farmers pointing out 620 00:34:07,132 --> 00:34:11,761 that the documentary was misleading from the very start. 621 00:34:11,928 --> 00:34:15,723 The media coverage of the gas has been so unfair, 622 00:34:15,849 --> 00:34:17,850 so full of half-truths. 623 00:34:18,018 --> 00:34:20,894 Seems to me everything's been one-sided. 624 00:34:21,062 --> 00:34:24,189 They don't tell you both sides of the story. You get one side. 625 00:34:24,357 --> 00:34:27,150 It's sort of biased on one side than the other. 626 00:34:27,318 --> 00:34:30,195 It doesn't reflect the views necessarily of all the people. 627 00:34:30,363 --> 00:34:32,197 They really have not represented 628 00:34:32,365 --> 00:34:35,533 the local people and the people who are in favor of it. 629 00:34:35,701 --> 00:34:40,663 The media's constantly saying that they're destroying the water. 630 00:34:40,831 --> 00:34:43,917 They would have you believe that Marcellus shale development 631 00:34:44,043 --> 00:34:45,543 was the scourge of the land. 632 00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:48,213 They put a perception in a lot of people's heads 633 00:34:48,339 --> 00:34:53,301 that every well drilled is gonna pollute all the time, 634 00:34:53,427 --> 00:34:54,928 and that's ludicrous. 635 00:34:55,054 --> 00:34:57,221 It's almost like, you know, 636 00:34:57,389 --> 00:35:01,517 the media and the litigants all want chemicals to appear in their water. 637 00:35:01,684 --> 00:35:03,685 It's a lot of sensationalism, which just, 638 00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:05,396 with very little fact behind it. 639 00:35:05,563 --> 00:35:08,482 There is so much stuff out there in the media 640 00:35:08,608 --> 00:35:12,986 that to actually go through and try to combat the misinformation 641 00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:15,989 and fear mongering could actually be a full-time job. 642 00:35:20,328 --> 00:35:24,373 I thought I should talk to John Entine, a U.S. media expert. 643 00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:27,334 I was a network television producer for 20 years 644 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:29,336 with NBC News, ABC News. 645 00:35:29,504 --> 00:35:32,922 I was Tom Brokaw's producer at NBC and head of documentaries there. 646 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:37,468 At ABC I was investigative producer for 20/20 and Prime Time Live. 647 00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:41,013 And the last 20 years, in a writing career 648 00:35:41,181 --> 00:35:44,976 that focuses on this nexus of public policy, 649 00:35:45,102 --> 00:35:47,895 media and NGO advocacy, 650 00:35:48,021 --> 00:35:51,607 is one of the unexamined areas 651 00:35:51,733 --> 00:35:53,943 that creates the kind of narratives, 652 00:35:54,111 --> 00:35:58,406 shapes the ethics of the way we talk about news issues, 653 00:35:58,532 --> 00:36:03,244 including the whole shale gas crisis, 654 00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:06,581 if you could so to speak, and the crisis is really in media coverage, 655 00:36:06,707 --> 00:36:08,957 not in the danger that shale gas 656 00:36:09,125 --> 00:36:10,959 presents to the United States or the world. 657 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,211 The scary part in this debate 658 00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:15,922 is that the media, once the influence medias, 659 00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:18,258 The New York Times, the networks, 660 00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:21,636 they've adopted the entertainment style of Josh Fox. 661 00:36:21,804 --> 00:36:25,390 It's all about pictures that evoke this kind of anger and image. 662 00:36:25,558 --> 00:36:27,267 It's like trash journalism. 663 00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:29,478 There was a series of articles by The New York Times 664 00:36:29,645 --> 00:36:32,314 essentially saying shale gas was overblown, 665 00:36:32,482 --> 00:36:34,691 that there was a lot of skepticism within the industry, 666 00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:38,904 that its carbon footprint was far greater than even coal, 667 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:41,990 a series, essentially, that if those things were true, 668 00:36:42,116 --> 00:36:45,242 no reasonable-minded person could support shale gas. 669 00:36:45,368 --> 00:36:48,662 It was echoed across the internet, 670 00:36:48,830 --> 00:36:50,581 headlines in newspapers around the world, 671 00:36:50,665 --> 00:36:52,291 discussed in parliament. Why? 672 00:36:52,459 --> 00:36:55,211 Because when The New York Times reports something, 673 00:36:55,378 --> 00:36:59,006 the regular media considers that it's been vetted, that it's factual. 674 00:36:59,132 --> 00:37:02,134 In this case it hadn't been vetted, and when someone did look at it, 675 00:37:02,260 --> 00:37:03,886 the ombudsman, he was horrified. 676 00:37:04,012 --> 00:37:07,681 He came out with two Sunday New York Times reports 677 00:37:07,807 --> 00:37:10,184 in two consecutive New York Times issues, 678 00:37:10,352 --> 00:37:13,771 unprecedented, hadn't been done in the history of The New York Times, 679 00:37:13,897 --> 00:37:18,442 literally dressing down his own paper's coverage of natural gas, 680 00:37:18,568 --> 00:37:20,611 saying it was biased, manipulative, 681 00:37:20,737 --> 00:37:24,197 cherry-picking of the facts, getting key facts wrong. 682 00:37:24,323 --> 00:37:25,644 Literally, it's the kind of thing 683 00:37:25,658 --> 00:37:29,035 that should have gotten the key reporters on natural gas fired. 684 00:37:29,203 --> 00:37:30,453 And the only reason they weren't fired 685 00:37:30,579 --> 00:37:33,581 is because it literally was indicting the entire editorial department. 686 00:37:33,749 --> 00:37:36,167 So it would have been literally a major housecleaning 687 00:37:36,335 --> 00:37:39,212 because their coverage was literally unethical. 688 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:41,589 You're not overreacting a bit? I mean this is just... 689 00:37:41,715 --> 00:37:44,717 This is good theatrical journalism. There's no real-world consequences. 690 00:37:44,927 --> 00:37:47,220 I mean, it's fun to watch. 691 00:37:47,346 --> 00:37:49,847 It may be fun to watch, may be entertaining, 692 00:37:49,974 --> 00:37:52,225 but there are enormous public policy consequences. 693 00:37:52,351 --> 00:37:54,602 The goal of the anti-shale gas industry, 694 00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:56,604 and make no bones about it, that's what it is, 695 00:37:56,730 --> 00:38:01,400 is to stop shale gas development now and for the future. 696 00:38:01,526 --> 00:38:04,027 They're not looking for better regulation. 697 00:38:04,153 --> 00:38:06,738 They're not looking for more sophisticated technology 698 00:38:06,906 --> 00:38:08,365 to make this more efficient. 699 00:38:08,491 --> 00:38:12,244 They're attempting to stop progress in its tracks. 700 00:38:12,412 --> 00:38:15,163 Shale gas is a gift from God, 701 00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:18,000 and if we let hysteria drive regulation, 702 00:38:18,126 --> 00:38:22,170 if we let politicians essentially set the ground rules 703 00:38:22,338 --> 00:38:24,590 for what should be a science-driven enterprise, 704 00:38:24,757 --> 00:38:26,258 we're gonna set the American economy 705 00:38:26,426 --> 00:38:28,802 and the world economy back 50 years. 706 00:38:28,928 --> 00:38:31,263 Paleolithic era, that's what we're going for. 707 00:38:36,101 --> 00:38:38,728 James Delingpole is a British journalist and author 708 00:38:38,854 --> 00:38:41,564 who has written extensively about energy issues. 709 00:38:41,648 --> 00:38:47,653 Shale gas is the miracle of the early 21st century. 710 00:38:47,821 --> 00:38:52,033 In terms of safety and environmental friendliness 711 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,577 and economic efficiency, 712 00:38:54,703 --> 00:38:58,581 shale gas is about the best thing going in the world right now. 713 00:38:58,707 --> 00:39:01,542 And the only reason, the only reason 714 00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:05,296 that shale gas is not developing faster than it is, 715 00:39:05,422 --> 00:39:09,258 particularly in Europe, in America it's already a great success, 716 00:39:09,384 --> 00:39:13,261 is because of these disingenuous objections 717 00:39:13,429 --> 00:39:16,806 which are being raised by the environmental movement, 718 00:39:16,974 --> 00:39:21,770 funded, I would suspect, by, for example, the Russians, 719 00:39:21,937 --> 00:39:26,066 who are big producers of natural gas. 720 00:39:26,233 --> 00:39:30,945 I was at a dinner with Prime Minister Putin recently, 721 00:39:31,113 --> 00:39:34,407 with a group of foreign journalists and foreign academics 722 00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:37,243 who are invited every year. He doesn't eat very much. 723 00:39:37,411 --> 00:39:40,580 We all eat, ask him questions, he answers the questions. 724 00:39:40,748 --> 00:39:44,334 The final question was about gas, 725 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:47,836 and particularly about shale gas. 726 00:39:47,962 --> 00:39:52,424 And it was very interesting to see his reaction, 727 00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:55,135 a real illustration, I think, of the concern 728 00:39:55,261 --> 00:39:56,845 that shale gas is causing in Russia 729 00:39:56,971 --> 00:39:58,971 because it was one of the few moments in the dinner 730 00:39:59,015 --> 00:40:03,977 where Putin really became quite engaged, almost agitated. 731 00:40:04,187 --> 00:40:05,771 And he said, if you look at photographs 732 00:40:05,897 --> 00:40:08,190 which have been taken from a helicopter or a plane 733 00:40:08,358 --> 00:40:10,651 of where this has been done in the U.S., 734 00:40:10,777 --> 00:40:14,405 you can see the damage. And he essentially said, 735 00:40:14,572 --> 00:40:19,785 when people in Europe understand the implications of this technology 736 00:40:19,953 --> 00:40:21,353 and what it does to the environment, 737 00:40:21,413 --> 00:40:23,329 then they're not gonna want to do it. 738 00:40:23,497 --> 00:40:26,708 And therefore, it's not gonna be a threat to us. 739 00:40:26,834 --> 00:40:30,712 And they point to France, which has already banned it 740 00:40:30,879 --> 00:40:33,798 and say that's just the first one of many. 741 00:40:33,966 --> 00:40:37,468 And this is somewhat amusing that suddenly 742 00:40:37,594 --> 00:40:41,806 Russia finds its conscience about the environment. 743 00:40:42,558 --> 00:40:44,684 At the moment all the countries in Eastern Europe 744 00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:46,144 are hugely dependent on Russia. 745 00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:49,313 They have very few domestic resources of their own. 746 00:40:49,481 --> 00:40:54,569 And the European market is the absolutely crucial market for Gazprom 747 00:40:54,737 --> 00:40:57,363 because that's where it makes the bulk of its profit. 748 00:40:57,531 --> 00:41:01,575 And of course Putin himself has very close ties with Gazprom. 749 00:41:01,701 --> 00:41:05,996 In fact, I would say that Russia is screwed if it can't export its gas, 750 00:41:06,164 --> 00:41:09,040 so it really is very important for Russia 751 00:41:09,167 --> 00:41:12,335 that the shale gas revolution does not happen. 752 00:41:12,462 --> 00:41:14,171 It is also in Russia's interest 753 00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:18,091 to fund those environmental groups which are committed 754 00:41:18,259 --> 00:41:21,678 to campaigning against fracking. That's how it works. 755 00:41:21,804 --> 00:41:23,138 I'll give you one example. 756 00:41:23,306 --> 00:41:28,018 Poland is currently a net importer of gas. 757 00:41:28,144 --> 00:41:31,980 Where does that gas come from? It comes from Russia. 758 00:41:32,148 --> 00:41:35,692 The problem with relying on Russia for gas 759 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:39,111 is that Russia now has a proven history 760 00:41:39,321 --> 00:41:44,158 of using gas as a kind of tool, 761 00:41:44,326 --> 00:41:47,661 or rather blunt instrument of diplomacy. 762 00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:49,622 A natural gas crisis looming over Europe 763 00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:51,957 has taken a sharp turn for the worse. 764 00:41:52,083 --> 00:41:53,959 A contract dispute between Russia and Ukraine 765 00:41:54,127 --> 00:41:56,962 has left several cities without natural gas in the dead of winter. 766 00:41:57,130 --> 00:42:02,343 Without prior warning, gas supplies to some EU member states 767 00:42:02,469 --> 00:42:05,346 have been substantially cut. 768 00:42:05,472 --> 00:42:08,432 This situation is completely unacceptable. 769 00:42:08,892 --> 00:42:12,436 Even in the Cold War, Russia never cut off gas supplies to Europe, 770 00:42:12,645 --> 00:42:16,689 but under Mr. Putin they have twice done so in recent years. 771 00:42:16,816 --> 00:42:20,151 So the prospect of becoming gas producers 772 00:42:20,277 --> 00:42:23,696 for these countries is a very attractive one indeed. 773 00:42:23,823 --> 00:42:26,533 You go to Poland, you hear a lot about it. 774 00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:37,001 In Warsaw, the huge Soviet block houses 775 00:42:37,169 --> 00:42:39,462 are a very concrete reminder of the grip 776 00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:42,048 Russia has had on Poland for centuries. 777 00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:45,844 But even though their troops are no longer on Polish soil, 778 00:42:46,011 --> 00:42:48,888 as the main supplier of most of the country's gas, 779 00:42:49,013 --> 00:42:51,473 Russia still controls the Polish people. 780 00:42:57,355 --> 00:43:01,608 I met up with Sabina, a pensioner who fought in World War ll 781 00:43:01,734 --> 00:43:03,861 and survived the Cold War. 782 00:43:04,612 --> 00:43:08,073 Today she spends half her pension on energy, 783 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,701 and that money goes to Gazprom. 784 00:43:11,077 --> 00:43:13,704 It's like the Soviets never left. 785 00:43:52,367 --> 00:43:53,659 So that's your gas? 786 00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:57,109 Three-hundred and seventy-seven. 787 00:43:59,333 --> 00:44:01,208 Your electricity is 266. 788 00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:09,549 Your pension is 800. 789 00:44:09,675 --> 00:44:14,846 So, your pension is 800. Your electricity bill is 266. 790 00:44:14,972 --> 00:44:19,601 Your gas bill is 377. It doesn't leave much money. 791 00:44:22,521 --> 00:44:24,522 How do you feel when the gas bill comes? 792 00:45:27,084 --> 00:45:29,836 But anti-fracking activists like Josh Fox 793 00:45:29,962 --> 00:45:32,296 say economic prosperity counts for nothing 794 00:45:32,464 --> 00:45:34,048 if you don't have your health. 795 00:45:34,758 --> 00:45:39,178 I want to tell you that I got a call from Chris Payne, 796 00:45:39,304 --> 00:45:40,680 the amazing director of Who Killed the Electric Car 797 00:45:40,848 --> 00:45:41,889 and The Revenge of the Electric Car. 798 00:45:42,016 --> 00:45:43,975 And he said, "They're fracking in Baldwin Hills." 799 00:45:44,143 --> 00:45:48,229 It's like over the... over the... bend from me. 800 00:45:48,355 --> 00:45:50,523 And there's a big public park over there. 801 00:45:50,649 --> 00:45:53,859 So you have a little kid, Little League, playing in noxious fumes 802 00:45:54,027 --> 00:45:57,279 that we experienced today, gave us quite, you know, 803 00:45:57,447 --> 00:46:01,575 immediate headaches and nausea from being in the park. 804 00:46:01,743 --> 00:46:05,537 I live in Los Angeles. And this is the first time I've heard 805 00:46:05,705 --> 00:46:07,789 of people getting sick in Baldwin Hills. 806 00:46:11,544 --> 00:46:14,171 After coming up to the top of Baldwin Hills Overlook 807 00:46:14,255 --> 00:46:16,882 and going back down, finishing my workout, I feel great. 808 00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:21,136 It's wonderful, fresh. You can really rejuvenate yourself. 809 00:46:21,304 --> 00:46:24,139 It's just fresh air. You can breathe good, you know what I mean? 810 00:46:24,307 --> 00:46:28,893 It's fresh. it feels clean, like you're close to heaven. 811 00:46:29,061 --> 00:46:31,312 The air quality is great. Every time I come here 812 00:46:31,521 --> 00:46:34,565 I almost feel like I can fly just like Superman! 813 00:46:36,359 --> 00:46:38,110 And Josh Fox makes the same kind 814 00:46:38,278 --> 00:46:41,405 of dramatic claims about Dish, Texas. 815 00:46:41,531 --> 00:46:45,242 They have 10 billion cubic feet going through Dish, Texas every day 816 00:46:45,368 --> 00:46:47,870 with 10 pipelines that crisscross the state. 817 00:46:47,996 --> 00:46:49,872 And they have benzene in the air 818 00:46:49,998 --> 00:46:53,125 at 55 times the public health standard. 819 00:46:53,251 --> 00:46:57,046 And they have toxic emissions that float into people's homes, 820 00:46:57,172 --> 00:47:00,299 give them nosebleeds in the middle of the night, give them brain damage. 821 00:47:00,467 --> 00:47:02,510 And Calvin Tillman's two sons 822 00:47:02,636 --> 00:47:05,512 are waking up in the middle of the night with nosebleeds. 823 00:47:05,638 --> 00:47:08,306 Calvin Tillman has been the mayor of Dish for three years. 824 00:47:08,474 --> 00:47:12,227 He says the people in the town began to notice a strong odor 825 00:47:12,394 --> 00:47:14,687 and were also experiencing some side effects 826 00:47:14,855 --> 00:47:16,815 that he attributes to the air quality, 827 00:47:16,857 --> 00:47:22,070 things like nausea, headaches, runny nose, allergies, and more. 828 00:47:22,238 --> 00:47:25,532 Calvin Tillman was so frustrated with the TCEQ's inaction 829 00:47:25,699 --> 00:47:27,492 that he commissioned his own air study. 830 00:47:27,618 --> 00:47:30,078 The results read sort of like the back of a pamphlet 831 00:47:30,204 --> 00:47:33,456 that you don't want to pick up at the American Cancer Society. 832 00:47:33,624 --> 00:47:36,417 Study found, and I quote, "Amazing and very high levels 833 00:47:36,585 --> 00:47:40,420 of known and suspected human carcinogens and neurotoxins." 834 00:47:40,588 --> 00:47:43,674 But were these claims true? 835 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,175 The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality 836 00:47:45,343 --> 00:47:48,720 is the second largest environmental agency in the world behind the EPA. 837 00:47:48,888 --> 00:47:51,598 We've been to Dish I believe over 120 times 838 00:47:51,766 --> 00:47:54,476 on individual sampling trips or monitoring trips 839 00:47:54,644 --> 00:47:56,770 and collected over 50 VOC canisters, 840 00:47:57,021 --> 00:47:59,022 which we ran through a gas chromatograph. 841 00:47:59,190 --> 00:48:01,150 And I'm happy to say that of all of those samples 842 00:48:01,317 --> 00:48:03,485 that we've conducted and collected and analyzed, 843 00:48:03,611 --> 00:48:06,113 none of those exceeded the short-term concentration levels 844 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,698 that would cause concern. 845 00:48:07,866 --> 00:48:10,284 After the air quality was given the all-clear, 846 00:48:10,451 --> 00:48:12,578 the health department sampled blood, urine, 847 00:48:12,745 --> 00:48:14,788 and drinking water in the area 848 00:48:14,956 --> 00:48:17,498 and found no problems caused by fracking. 849 00:48:17,666 --> 00:48:21,335 So it's comforting to see we have a great deal of data from Dish 850 00:48:21,461 --> 00:48:23,004 and from the Barnett shale region 851 00:48:23,172 --> 00:48:25,965 that shows that indeed our regulations are protective, 852 00:48:26,091 --> 00:48:28,634 especially when you consider that it's such a concentrated 853 00:48:28,802 --> 00:48:30,386 production field in that area. 854 00:48:32,264 --> 00:48:33,931 But some people still claim 855 00:48:34,057 --> 00:48:36,642 that fracking contaminated their water and made them sick, 856 00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:40,354 like Stephen Lipsky from Parker County, Texas. 857 00:48:40,522 --> 00:48:44,108 He sued for Range Resources for $6.5 million. 858 00:48:44,276 --> 00:48:49,363 Lipsky teamed up with Alisa Rich of Wolf Eagle Environmental Engineers 859 00:48:49,531 --> 00:48:51,282 to produce a video of flaming water 860 00:48:51,408 --> 00:48:55,619 and a set of test results supporting his case against the gas company. 861 00:48:55,745 --> 00:48:58,997 But the video was faked. They intentionally pumped gas 862 00:48:59,165 --> 00:49:01,541 into the water line in order to set it on fire. 863 00:49:01,709 --> 00:49:03,710 The judge ruled that Stephen Lipsky 864 00:49:03,878 --> 00:49:07,380 and Alisa Rich had conspired to produce false evidence, 865 00:49:07,506 --> 00:49:11,509 and Alisa Rich's claims that she was an engineer and had a PhD 866 00:49:11,677 --> 00:49:13,094 were also fraudulent. 867 00:49:13,221 --> 00:49:17,807 In line 13 it says, "I have a PhD in air pollution control design." 868 00:49:17,934 --> 00:49:19,643 - Do you see that? - I do, sir. 869 00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:23,521 That was just not a true statement at the time you made that, was it? 870 00:49:23,648 --> 00:49:25,065 That was a misstatement. 871 00:49:25,233 --> 00:49:29,069 - You are not an engineer, are you? - No, sir, I am not. 872 00:49:29,195 --> 00:49:32,529 - You're not a geologist? - No, sir. 873 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,616 You're not a geophysicist? 874 00:49:35,784 --> 00:49:38,410 No, I would not consider myself a geophysicist. 875 00:49:38,536 --> 00:49:40,537 You're not a petroleum engineer? 876 00:49:41,873 --> 00:49:45,084 I am not a petroleum engineer. No. 877 00:49:45,293 --> 00:49:48,045 - You're not a toxicologist? - No, sir. 878 00:49:48,255 --> 00:49:50,422 You're not a hydrogeologist? 879 00:49:53,176 --> 00:49:56,512 No. No, I am not a hydrogeologist, technically. 880 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,808 We deal a lot in hydrology, just like we deal a lot in geology, 881 00:50:00,976 --> 00:50:06,104 but I would not call myself a hydrogeologist. 882 00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:09,023 This wasn't the first time I'd come across Alisa Rich. 883 00:50:09,149 --> 00:50:11,901 She was also hired by Calvin Tillman 884 00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:15,321 to provide the damning but completely inaccurate reports 885 00:50:15,489 --> 00:50:18,908 on the air and water quality in Dish, Texas. 886 00:50:19,034 --> 00:50:21,077 Despite faking her qualifications, 887 00:50:21,245 --> 00:50:24,247 and a judge finding that she was part of a fraudulent conspiracy, 888 00:50:24,415 --> 00:50:28,209 Josh Fox still relies heavily on Alisa Rich 889 00:50:28,335 --> 00:50:29,836 in his campaign against fracking. 890 00:50:30,879 --> 00:50:33,923 But what about the chemicals that are used in fracking? 891 00:50:36,176 --> 00:50:37,802 I needed to speak to an expert. 892 00:50:37,928 --> 00:50:40,346 So I went to the University of California, Berkeley. 893 00:50:41,307 --> 00:50:45,600 Dr. Bruce Ames is a professor of biochemistry and molecular biology. 894 00:50:45,768 --> 00:50:48,687 Because of his research on the causes of cancer, 895 00:50:48,813 --> 00:50:50,981 Dr. Ames has won many awards, 896 00:50:51,107 --> 00:50:54,860 including the National Medal of Science, the Japan Prize, 897 00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:58,697 and the Tyler Prize for Environmental Achievement. 898 00:50:58,823 --> 00:51:02,993 He is one of the most cited scientists in the world. 899 00:51:03,161 --> 00:51:06,955 This is Gasland, the film by Josh Fox, 900 00:51:07,123 --> 00:51:09,958 and this is what he says about chemicals and fracking 901 00:51:10,168 --> 00:51:13,253 and public health, I suppose. 902 00:51:13,379 --> 00:51:16,214 In order to frack, you need some fracking fluid, 903 00:51:16,341 --> 00:51:19,133 a mix of over 596 chemicals, 904 00:51:19,259 --> 00:51:22,470 from the unpronounceable to the unknown 905 00:51:22,596 --> 00:51:23,721 to the too well-known. 906 00:51:23,889 --> 00:51:26,307 The brew is full of corrosion inhibitors, 907 00:51:26,433 --> 00:51:30,519 gellants, drilling additives, biocides, shale control inhibitors, 908 00:51:30,645 --> 00:51:34,982 liquid breaker aids, viscosifiers, liquid gel concentrates. 909 00:51:35,108 --> 00:51:39,070 On the side of that frack fluid truck it should say, "Just add water." 910 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:47,453 Well, you could say that about a cup of coffee with more justification. 911 00:51:47,579 --> 00:51:50,164 I mean, it doesn't tell you much. 912 00:51:50,290 --> 00:51:52,010 What would you say to people who saw Gasland 913 00:51:52,084 --> 00:51:55,377 and are scared by that figure of over 500 chemicals 914 00:51:55,461 --> 00:51:58,880 and the scary names of the chemicals? 915 00:51:59,006 --> 00:52:02,884 Yeah, but it's only scary if you've been... 916 00:52:03,052 --> 00:52:04,219 don't know anything. 917 00:52:04,387 --> 00:52:08,640 If I gave you all the long names of chemicals in cabbage 918 00:52:08,766 --> 00:52:10,975 that give cancer to rats in high levels, 919 00:52:11,143 --> 00:52:15,605 you could get scared. But there's really no danger in eating cabbage. 920 00:52:15,773 --> 00:52:17,941 But at least there's no carcinogens in broccoli. 921 00:52:18,067 --> 00:52:19,859 Oh, yeah, there are carcinogens in broccoli. 922 00:52:20,027 --> 00:52:21,027 - No! - Yeah. 923 00:52:21,195 --> 00:52:22,821 - No. - Broccoli's good for you, 924 00:52:22,947 --> 00:52:24,656 but there are carcinogens in it. 925 00:52:24,824 --> 00:52:26,908 See, they define carcinogen 926 00:52:27,034 --> 00:52:31,329 as giving the maximum tolerated dose to a mouse or a rat, 927 00:52:31,455 --> 00:52:33,163 and feeding it every day for a lifetime. 928 00:52:33,289 --> 00:52:35,791 And half the chemicals they've ever tested, 929 00:52:35,959 --> 00:52:40,462 whether it's natural or synthetic, no difference, 930 00:52:40,588 --> 00:52:43,424 give cancer to these animals at this huge dose, 931 00:52:43,591 --> 00:52:46,969 but it doesn't mean it's gonna give cancer at a low dose. 932 00:52:47,095 --> 00:52:49,596 And it's all a high-dose artifact. 933 00:52:49,764 --> 00:52:51,974 What do you mean, "high-dose artifact"? What does that mean? 934 00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,435 It means it's the high dose that's causing it, 935 00:52:54,561 --> 00:52:56,437 and they're scaring you about a low dose. 936 00:52:56,604 --> 00:53:01,275 But scare stories sell newspapers. The media loves scare stories. 937 00:53:01,443 --> 00:53:03,110 Every time I see a story 938 00:53:03,319 --> 00:53:07,489 about some new scare that's gonna give cancer to people, 939 00:53:07,615 --> 00:53:09,866 it's always completely implausible. 940 00:53:09,992 --> 00:53:12,410 It's a minor hypothetical risk at best. 941 00:53:12,536 --> 00:53:14,662 If people say fracking's causing cancer, 942 00:53:14,788 --> 00:53:17,415 then they don't know what they're talking about. 943 00:53:17,583 --> 00:53:20,543 Josh Fox claims that fracking in Texas 944 00:53:20,669 --> 00:53:22,795 has caused a spike in breast cancer. 945 00:53:22,963 --> 00:53:25,465 In Texas, as throughout the United States, 946 00:53:25,632 --> 00:53:30,761 cancer rates fell, except in one place, in the Barnett shale. 947 00:53:31,472 --> 00:53:32,930 But the Associated Press 948 00:53:33,098 --> 00:53:35,516 checked that claim with several cancer experts 949 00:53:35,642 --> 00:53:38,519 and found it to be false. 950 00:53:38,687 --> 00:53:41,481 Professor Simon Lee from the University of Texas, 951 00:53:41,607 --> 00:53:45,442 David Riser, an epidemiologist with the Texas Cancer Registry, 952 00:53:45,568 --> 00:53:47,819 and Susan G. Komen For The Cure, 953 00:53:47,987 --> 00:53:52,449 all said there was no spike in cancer in the Barnett shale. 954 00:53:54,035 --> 00:53:58,497 Scaring American families with untrue claims about breast cancer 955 00:53:58,623 --> 00:54:00,749 seemed unethical journalism at best. 956 00:54:04,378 --> 00:54:08,215 After I retired, I started to spend essentially full-time 957 00:54:08,341 --> 00:54:10,217 in Damascus, Pennsylvania. 958 00:54:10,343 --> 00:54:14,221 I'm currently facing a cancer situation. 959 00:54:14,347 --> 00:54:19,226 Okay, that was one of the reasons why I'm in New York right now. 960 00:54:19,352 --> 00:54:21,977 Because I'm scheduled for surgery in two weeks. 961 00:54:22,145 --> 00:54:25,981 It has nothing to do with drinking the water. 962 00:54:26,107 --> 00:54:29,318 It has nothing to do with the air I breathe. 963 00:54:29,444 --> 00:54:31,862 I could be out there right now 964 00:54:31,988 --> 00:54:34,990 carrying a sign saying, 965 00:54:35,116 --> 00:54:39,453 "I've got cancer. I'm fighting against this. You caused it. 966 00:54:39,579 --> 00:54:41,580 Don't let this happen to you." 967 00:54:41,706 --> 00:54:44,625 I couldn't look at myself in the mirror in the morning 968 00:54:44,751 --> 00:54:47,962 'cause that's nonsense. 969 00:54:48,088 --> 00:54:53,175 But it would be very effective as some political theater. 970 00:54:53,969 --> 00:54:56,845 The scare du jour from anti-fracking activists 971 00:54:56,972 --> 00:54:59,347 is that fracking causes dangerous earthquakes. 972 00:54:59,515 --> 00:55:01,849 I spoke to Professor Ernest Majer 973 00:55:01,976 --> 00:55:04,769 in the Department of Earth Sciences at Berkeley. 974 00:55:05,271 --> 00:55:08,147 He has spent a career analyzing the role humans play 975 00:55:08,274 --> 00:55:09,857 in causing earthquakes. 976 00:55:09,984 --> 00:55:12,068 He says if you're scared about seismic activity, 977 00:55:12,194 --> 00:55:15,071 fracking should be the least of your worries. 978 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,826 If I had a house where I had every type of energy potential, 979 00:55:19,952 --> 00:55:24,247 a river so I could dam up and make a hydroelectric project, 980 00:55:24,373 --> 00:55:26,916 geothermal, hot rock, on the other side of the house, 981 00:55:27,042 --> 00:55:29,961 and an oil/gas reservoir on the other side, 982 00:55:30,087 --> 00:55:34,464 I would probably, from a just strict risk of induced seismicity, 983 00:55:34,591 --> 00:55:37,426 I would choose the oil and gas project, of course, 984 00:55:37,594 --> 00:55:41,430 because it has the lowest potential for induced seismicity 985 00:55:41,556 --> 00:55:45,267 to cause any hazard or any risk 986 00:55:45,435 --> 00:55:49,396 associated with the injection of fluid into the ground. 987 00:55:49,522 --> 00:55:52,941 Hydrofracture is very low-risk. Very low hazard too. 988 00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:55,444 Professor Majer says if energy production 989 00:55:55,612 --> 00:55:58,113 that causes earthquakes needs to be banned, 990 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,657 then geothermal energy should be first on the list. 991 00:56:00,825 --> 00:56:04,202 He has been closely studying the Geysers geothermal plant 992 00:56:04,329 --> 00:56:08,540 - in Northern California. In terms of the Geysers, 993 00:56:08,666 --> 00:56:10,750 which is north of San Francisco, about 70 miles, 994 00:56:10,917 --> 00:56:14,128 it's the world's largest geothermal production area. 995 00:56:14,296 --> 00:56:16,297 And there has been seismicity there. 996 00:56:16,423 --> 00:56:18,424 There has been quite a bit of seismicity there. 997 00:56:19,551 --> 00:56:23,721 We're actively recording there with a very dense array. 998 00:56:23,805 --> 00:56:26,807 We get about 100 magnitude ones per day, 999 00:56:26,975 --> 00:56:29,560 up to 10 magnitude twos per week, 1000 00:56:29,728 --> 00:56:34,273 and at least two or three magnitude threes per month. 1001 00:56:34,441 --> 00:56:37,068 And several magnitude fours per year. 1002 00:56:38,236 --> 00:56:41,489 It's interesting that while Josh Fox and anti-fracking activists 1003 00:56:41,657 --> 00:56:44,533 are trying to make an issue about fracking and earthquakes, 1004 00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:48,495 they are silent about the hundreds of earthquakes caused every month 1005 00:56:48,621 --> 00:56:50,246 by geothermal energy. 1006 00:56:51,957 --> 00:56:53,583 In Gasland, Josh Fox asks, 1007 00:56:53,709 --> 00:56:55,960 why can't we power the world with solar panels? 1008 00:56:56,796 --> 00:57:01,049 But you need huge amounts of rare earth metals to make one solar panel. 1009 00:57:01,175 --> 00:57:04,177 95 % of these minerals are mined in China. 1010 00:57:04,345 --> 00:57:07,472 It doesn't look very green. 1011 00:57:07,598 --> 00:57:09,683 Rare earth processing in China 1012 00:57:09,809 --> 00:57:13,269 is a messy, dangerous, polluting business. 1013 00:57:13,396 --> 00:57:18,483 It uses toxic chemicals, acids, sulfates, ammonia. 1014 00:57:18,609 --> 00:57:21,611 The workers have little or no protection. 1015 00:57:21,737 --> 00:57:24,863 Green campaigners love wind turbines, 1016 00:57:25,031 --> 00:57:27,116 but the permanent magnets used to 1017 00:57:27,242 --> 00:57:29,743 manufacture a three-megawatt turbine, 1018 00:57:29,911 --> 00:57:32,496 contain some two tons of rare earth. 1019 00:57:33,415 --> 00:57:36,458 And wind turbines. They are massive, 24/7, 1020 00:57:36,668 --> 00:57:39,378 ruthless bird-killing machines. 1021 00:57:43,925 --> 00:57:47,219 They don't care if the birds are endangered or not. 1022 00:57:47,387 --> 00:57:50,848 The problem with these people that continually promote renewable energy 1023 00:57:50,974 --> 00:57:53,142 is I think none of them own a calculator. 1024 00:57:53,268 --> 00:57:54,768 Let me run you through the numbers. 1025 00:57:54,936 --> 00:57:57,688 If you just look at the growth in electricity demand 1026 00:57:57,814 --> 00:58:01,482 from 1985 through 2011, 1027 00:58:01,608 --> 00:58:04,861 on average, electricity demand globally increased 1028 00:58:05,028 --> 00:58:10,199 by 450 terawatt hours. That's 450 trillion watt hours. 1029 00:58:10,993 --> 00:58:14,454 If you just wanted to supply the incremental demand 1030 00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:17,415 of that 450 terawatt hours per year, 1031 00:58:17,541 --> 00:58:19,500 you would have to cover a land area 1032 00:58:19,668 --> 00:58:23,337 of about 100 square miles every day, 1033 00:58:23,464 --> 00:58:25,131 with nothing but wind turbines. 1034 00:58:27,676 --> 00:58:28,760 I was back on the road 1035 00:58:28,927 --> 00:58:32,221 when I heard some breaking news about Dimock, Pennsylvania. 1036 00:58:32,347 --> 00:58:35,057 The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection 1037 00:58:35,225 --> 00:58:37,142 had tested the water in Dimock, 1038 00:58:37,310 --> 00:58:40,312 including the well of Craig and Julie Sautner. 1039 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,022 Pennsylvania's environmental agency 1040 00:58:42,190 --> 00:58:46,026 tells CBS news, "There is no evidence in Pennsylvania" 1041 00:58:46,152 --> 00:58:48,987 of fracking ever having contaminated drinking water." 1042 00:58:49,155 --> 00:58:51,948 However, that wasn't good enough for Craig and Julie Sautner. 1043 00:58:52,116 --> 00:58:55,452 They insisted the federal Environmental Protection Agency investigate. 1044 00:58:55,703 --> 00:58:57,704 The EPA agreed, 1045 00:58:57,872 --> 00:59:01,166 and started a comprehensive testing of Dimock's water wells. 1046 00:59:01,292 --> 00:59:03,794 Federal officials have released a fourth round of results 1047 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,129 from well-water testing in the Dimock area. 1048 00:59:06,297 --> 00:59:07,714 The Environmental Protection Agency 1049 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,134 says it did not find any alarming results from 12 more wells 1050 00:59:11,302 --> 00:59:12,968 it tested earlier this year. 1051 00:59:13,094 --> 00:59:16,931 So 1500 people in Dimock said their water was fine. 1052 00:59:17,057 --> 00:59:19,475 Pennsylvania's Department of Environmental Protection 1053 00:59:19,643 --> 00:59:20,684 confirmed this. 1054 00:59:20,811 --> 00:59:25,397 And now the EPA has announced there's nothing wrong with the water. 1055 00:59:25,565 --> 00:59:28,818 I decided to ask the Sautners if they would now drop their lawsuit. 1056 00:59:28,985 --> 00:59:31,904 I was half a mile away from the Sautners' house. 1057 00:59:32,072 --> 00:59:34,490 I was on the phone, calling them for an interview 1058 00:59:34,616 --> 00:59:36,784 when Julie Sautner saw me and drove up. 1059 00:59:38,328 --> 00:59:40,579 - That's her. - That's her. 1060 00:59:42,332 --> 00:59:43,332 Well, how's it going? 1061 00:59:48,004 --> 00:59:49,087 We just wanted to ask you a quick few questions. 1062 00:59:49,255 --> 00:59:52,590 The people are very upset you saying the water's dirty. 1063 00:59:52,758 --> 00:59:54,038 Do you agree the water is dirty? 1064 00:59:56,929 --> 00:59:58,763 But the EPA says the water is clean now. 1065 01:00:02,017 --> 01:00:03,897 They said there's no contamination in the water. 1066 01:00:04,895 --> 01:00:06,335 Is there contamination in your water? 1067 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,960 What did the EPA say about your water? 1068 01:00:18,784 --> 01:00:19,984 I just want to find the truth. 1069 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:32,963 Why would we be sued? 1070 01:00:36,384 --> 01:00:37,634 What are we lying about? 1071 01:00:42,724 --> 01:00:44,641 Why do you not want to be filmed? 1072 01:00:44,809 --> 01:00:47,060 You've given hundreds of interviews to people. 1073 01:00:53,818 --> 01:00:56,099 But I want to know what the EPA have said about your well. 1074 01:00:56,154 --> 01:00:57,794 Will you give me the results of your well? 1075 01:00:58,489 --> 01:01:00,782 Why not? I'm just asking you the truth. 1076 01:01:00,950 --> 01:01:03,549 You're involved in a very public lawsuit. You've given interviews. 1077 01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:08,748 You've said your well is contaminated. The EPA has said... 1078 01:01:08,957 --> 01:01:10,458 I'll drink your water now. Would you bring it down? 1079 01:01:10,626 --> 01:01:13,961 You've got this brown water. Can we go get some of your brown water? 1080 01:01:14,129 --> 01:01:16,631 Ls that brown water just a prop? 1081 01:01:16,798 --> 01:01:18,478 Ls your water actually brown at the moment? 1082 01:01:18,634 --> 01:01:19,634 Let's go to the well now. 1083 01:01:21,303 --> 01:01:22,664 Let's go to the well now and get... 1084 01:01:24,306 --> 01:01:26,015 With your permission. 1085 01:01:27,517 --> 01:01:28,684 Please do. 1086 01:01:30,437 --> 01:01:31,938 You're armed? 1087 01:01:32,105 --> 01:01:35,524 Well, I'm not getting involved now. 1088 01:01:36,985 --> 01:01:38,785 What are you reaching for there now? Oh, okay. 1089 01:01:41,989 --> 01:01:45,241 Well, I'm not harassing you in any way. You stopped... 1090 01:01:46,827 --> 01:01:50,830 I was standing here. You stopped to talk to me. 1091 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,040 That's, what's... 1092 01:01:53,501 --> 01:01:56,670 Are you declining an interview? Julie? 1093 01:01:56,796 --> 01:01:58,797 Are you declining to show me the results? 1094 01:01:58,965 --> 01:02:00,365 I just want to get that officially. 1095 01:02:00,466 --> 01:02:03,051 Are you declining to show me the results? 1096 01:02:15,438 --> 01:02:17,773 - How's it going? - Put your hands where I can see. 1097 01:02:17,899 --> 01:02:19,233 What's going on? 1098 01:02:20,860 --> 01:02:22,945 - We're making a documentary. - Okay. 1099 01:02:23,113 --> 01:02:25,489 - Do you have any lD on you? - Yeah. Sure. 1100 01:02:25,615 --> 01:02:26,740 Were you on her property? 1101 01:02:26,825 --> 01:02:29,451 No, I was on the public road there on a phone and she pulled up. 1102 01:02:29,619 --> 01:02:31,954 I actually was standing on the road 1103 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,247 and she pulled up and we had this conversation 1104 01:02:33,373 --> 01:02:34,915 while she was in her car. 1105 01:02:35,041 --> 01:02:37,001 All right. Did you say you were gonna take water from her house 1106 01:02:37,127 --> 01:02:38,669 without her permission or something? 1107 01:02:38,837 --> 01:02:40,504 No, I asked her to provide me with water. 1108 01:02:40,672 --> 01:02:43,257 Oh, you just asked her if she would voluntarily provide you with water? 1109 01:02:43,383 --> 01:02:44,717 - Yes. - Okay, all right. 1110 01:02:44,884 --> 01:02:46,260 So you never said anything about, I'm gonna come on your property 1111 01:02:46,386 --> 01:02:48,846 and take your water when you're gone or something like that? 1112 01:02:48,972 --> 01:02:50,806 - Absolutely not. - Okay. 1113 01:02:50,931 --> 01:02:52,015 Okay, all right. Okay, I'm just gonna... 1114 01:02:52,141 --> 01:02:56,853 - Did she say that? - Yes. So that's why I'm here. 1115 01:03:00,482 --> 01:03:02,817 What was Julie Sautner trying to hide? 1116 01:03:02,943 --> 01:03:07,030 Why would she not release the findings of the EPA's water testing? 1117 01:03:07,197 --> 01:03:10,074 A source told me that three senior EPA officials had given her 1118 01:03:10,242 --> 01:03:12,452 the results and that the meeting was filmed. 1119 01:03:12,619 --> 01:03:15,079 Through a Freedom of information request, 1120 01:03:15,205 --> 01:03:17,665 I managed to get hold of the tape. 1121 01:03:17,791 --> 01:03:19,459 It showed the EPA telling the Sautners 1122 01:03:19,626 --> 01:03:21,252 that their water was not contaminated. 1123 01:03:21,378 --> 01:03:24,881 Their reaction to this good news was rather strange. 1124 01:03:25,049 --> 01:03:27,175 Oh, my God, I just can't believe you people! 1125 01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:29,551 She's discussed us with everybody. She's got a problem. 1126 01:03:29,677 --> 01:03:32,220 - That's... lookit... - No, I'm... 1127 01:03:32,388 --> 01:03:34,222 - Right here... - Sit down... 1128 01:03:34,348 --> 01:03:36,183 I'm not sitting anywhere. I'm done with this. I am. 1129 01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:37,709 - Right here. - You can finish this. 1130 01:03:37,810 --> 01:03:41,104 I'm done. I'm getting myself too upset for this shit! 1131 01:03:41,230 --> 01:03:43,815 No, this is bullcrap, man! I'm sick and tired of this! 1132 01:03:43,983 --> 01:03:46,276 What happened to you people? Really? 1133 01:03:46,402 --> 01:03:47,882 - Listen... - You guys aren't the same 1134 01:03:47,987 --> 01:03:50,447 as you were two months ago, three months ago. 1135 01:03:50,573 --> 01:03:52,115 You think I made this stuff up? 1136 01:03:52,241 --> 01:03:54,659 This is... this is... this... you're out of here? 1137 01:03:54,786 --> 01:03:56,306 Yeah. I'm not gonna... this is getting... 1138 01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:58,747 if you want to sit down and talk rationally to me... 1139 01:03:58,873 --> 01:04:01,750 How can I talk rationally if you guys won't listen to anything we say? 1140 01:04:01,918 --> 01:04:04,198 - I'm listening to you... - You're saying my water's fine! 1141 01:04:04,294 --> 01:04:05,294 And we can drink it! 1142 01:04:05,295 --> 01:04:06,921 We're telling you we tested your water. 1143 01:04:07,047 --> 01:04:10,216 At this point in time we found no contaminants in it. 1144 01:04:13,386 --> 01:04:15,596 Campaigns by people like the Sautners 1145 01:04:15,722 --> 01:04:19,058 bring bans and moratoriums on fracking around the world. 1146 01:04:20,685 --> 01:04:24,772 These bans have consequences, because energy really matters. 1147 01:04:28,485 --> 01:04:32,780 We all love energy, even if we don't realize we do. 1148 01:04:32,948 --> 01:04:34,907 Just think about all the things you love. 1149 01:04:35,075 --> 01:04:37,868 Your friends, lazy afternoons together, 1150 01:04:37,994 --> 01:04:40,079 experimenting with the latest recipe, 1151 01:04:40,204 --> 01:04:43,623 new ideas, solving the world's problems, 1152 01:04:43,791 --> 01:04:47,544 capturing moments, making your voices heard. 1153 01:04:47,628 --> 01:04:51,339 We might not realize it, but we'd really hate not having energy. 1154 01:04:51,465 --> 01:04:53,675 We'd die not having it. 1155 01:04:54,385 --> 01:04:57,971 We can see the places in the world with lots of cheap energy. 1156 01:04:58,139 --> 01:05:00,265 They're the places with their lights on. 1157 01:05:00,432 --> 01:05:03,810 In these countries, people live long and live well. 1158 01:05:03,936 --> 01:05:07,897 These lights mean millions of people get to follow their dreams. 1159 01:05:08,023 --> 01:05:11,192 Somewhere behind one of these lights, a child is studying hard, 1160 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,362 and will grow up to invent the next medical miracle. 1161 01:05:14,530 --> 01:05:17,698 Somewhere else there's a Steve Jobs creating the things 1162 01:05:17,824 --> 01:05:20,075 we can't even imagine right now. 1163 01:05:20,201 --> 01:05:22,452 And somewhere else there's a kid who will one day 1164 01:05:22,579 --> 01:05:24,955 write and make a movie like Avatar 1165 01:05:25,081 --> 01:05:27,958 that nearly the whole world will watch and enjoy. 1166 01:05:28,168 --> 01:05:30,419 But it's not like this everywhere. 1167 01:05:30,587 --> 01:05:33,297 In the dark places, energy is scarce, 1168 01:05:33,423 --> 01:05:36,216 and life is cruel and life is short. 1169 01:05:36,342 --> 01:05:39,553 People who live there can only dream of what life could be like. 1170 01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:41,805 But their dreams will never come true. 1171 01:05:42,473 --> 01:05:44,516 Energy has allowed my friend Bart 1172 01:05:44,684 --> 01:05:47,144 to save his childhood friend's life. 1173 01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:49,438 Bart donated his kidney to Linc 1174 01:05:49,564 --> 01:05:52,858 in an operation that used outrageous amounts of electricity. 1175 01:05:53,025 --> 01:05:57,361 That electricity, that energy, and Bart's astonishing generosity, 1176 01:05:57,487 --> 01:05:59,697 saved Linc from certain death 1177 01:05:59,865 --> 01:06:02,408 and gave Claire and Lucy back their father 1178 01:06:02,576 --> 01:06:04,744 and Laurie back her husband. 1179 01:06:04,912 --> 01:06:08,039 Energy matters. It really matters. 1180 01:06:08,207 --> 01:06:12,293 It makes everything better. It's not at all ordinary. 1181 01:06:12,419 --> 01:06:16,297 We take it for granted because we have never known life without it. 1182 01:06:16,423 --> 01:06:18,966 We really shouldn't. 1183 01:06:23,472 --> 01:06:27,350 This has been quite a journey. I discovered a lot. 1184 01:06:27,517 --> 01:06:30,310 Josh Fox was wrong about fracking. 1185 01:06:30,436 --> 01:06:32,812 It didn't make water flammable. 1186 01:06:32,939 --> 01:06:36,274 It's not exempt from environmental regulations. 1187 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,526 It doesn't contaminate water. 1188 01:06:38,653 --> 01:06:41,905 Fracking is not causing dangerous earthquakes, 1189 01:06:42,031 --> 01:06:44,991 and it's not causing widespread illness and death. 1190 01:06:45,952 --> 01:06:50,622 All those wrongs affected the lives of a lot of ordinary people. 1191 01:06:51,874 --> 01:06:54,709 I thought it was time to put some questions to Josh Fox. 1192 01:07:03,970 --> 01:07:06,387 - Hello? - Hi, is that Josh? 1193 01:07:06,513 --> 01:07:08,430 - Yes. - Hi, Josh, this is 1194 01:07:08,598 --> 01:07:12,393 Phelim McAleer, the director of FrackNation documentary. 1195 01:07:13,311 --> 01:07:20,776 Hello? 1196 01:07:26,616 --> 01:07:28,158 Hey, this is Josh Fox. 1197 01:07:28,326 --> 01:07:31,537 Please leave me a message. Thanks very much. Bye. 1198 01:07:33,081 --> 01:07:37,835 Hi, Josh, this is Phelim McAleer, the director of FrackNation. 1199 01:07:38,003 --> 01:07:40,296 I have just tried to call you there 1200 01:07:40,463 --> 01:07:45,341 and I'm not sure what happened. I think maybe you hung up on me, 1201 01:07:45,467 --> 01:07:49,429 but I really want to do an interview with you for FrackNation. 1202 01:07:49,555 --> 01:07:51,264 I've uncovered some things that... 1203 01:07:51,807 --> 01:07:54,058 I left a number of messages. 1204 01:07:54,184 --> 01:07:55,768 I got no response. 1205 01:07:55,936 --> 01:07:57,979 He seemed to want to avoid my questions. 1206 01:08:00,482 --> 01:08:03,318 But then I heard Josh Fox was appearing 1207 01:08:03,485 --> 01:08:05,820 at the Hammer Museum in Los Angeles. 1208 01:08:05,988 --> 01:08:09,282 This was going to be my chance to get some answers. 1209 01:08:09,408 --> 01:08:13,911 Josh, Phelim McAleer. You hung up on me the other day. 1210 01:08:14,038 --> 01:08:16,164 There's a lot of questions I've come across. 1211 01:08:16,332 --> 01:08:17,373 I'm just looking for an interview. 1212 01:08:17,499 --> 01:08:20,083 You don't want to answer questions? 1213 01:08:31,971 --> 01:08:33,597 The farmers of Pennsylvania would like 1214 01:08:33,765 --> 01:08:36,350 to also ask you some questions. 1215 01:08:41,356 --> 01:08:43,076 As a journalist, would you not be interested 1216 01:08:43,232 --> 01:08:45,233 in answering a few questions? 1217 01:08:54,077 --> 01:08:55,796 Hey, what are you doing? What are you doing? 1218 01:08:59,915 --> 01:09:01,624 I'm gonna ask you to please leave the property. 1219 01:09:01,750 --> 01:09:04,543 You are asked to leave. You are asked to leave. 1220 01:09:09,132 --> 01:09:14,136 Josh, what about the water in Dimock? Ls the water clean in Dimock? 1221 01:09:22,687 --> 01:09:24,480 There's blood. 1222 01:09:27,067 --> 01:09:28,908 She stole it. She stole the phone from my hand. 1223 01:09:29,027 --> 01:09:32,904 Like she just... l had to fight her to get my phone back. 1224 01:09:33,072 --> 01:09:34,239 She did that to you? 1225 01:09:34,407 --> 01:09:37,742 Yeah, she snatched the phone from my hand. 1226 01:09:37,868 --> 01:09:39,661 I had to fight her to get my phone back. 1227 01:09:39,787 --> 01:09:40,578 She took it from you? 1228 01:09:40,746 --> 01:09:43,832 Yeah, because I was filming a public event in Hammer Museum. 1229 01:09:43,999 --> 01:09:46,501 And that's the wound! 1230 01:09:46,710 --> 01:09:49,587 So there is, you know, there will be blood! 1231 01:09:49,713 --> 01:09:51,673 - There will be blood. - Yeah.105490

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