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when I
was a little boy growing up
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here in Mississippi, I
spent a lot of time outdoors.
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Part of it looking
up at the night sky.
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We had no electricity so
the moon was the only light
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that ever challenged
that of the stars.
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And they filled me
with such an inexpressible
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sense of wonder.
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My paternal grandmother
told me that that was where
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heaven was,
where god lives,
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the place where good
people go when they die.
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She also warned me
about the other place.
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Hell.
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The place you
go when you're bad.
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At age five or six these
ideas are a bit overwhelming.
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Frightening.
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Inspiring I guess.
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And I think most people,
no matter what their faith,
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have faced similar thoughts
and fears, what is heaven?
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What is hell?
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How have these unseen
places changed the way we
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live our lives on earth?
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To find out...
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Oh, look what I see.
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I'll descend into
the underworld of ancient
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native Americans.
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I think there's something in here
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that they don't want found.
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See people who are tormented by hell.
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And touched by paradise.
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It�s that sneak preview
of what heaven's
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gonna be like.
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I'll discover heaven in
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the Cambodian jungle.
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We really are at heaven on earth.
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And in one woman's
remarkable story.
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As far as I can tell
you just described heaven.
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It was my heaven.
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Do heaven and
hell await us in the afterlife?
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Or are they here and now?
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For how long have we been
contemplating heaven and hell?
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We know that more than
4,000 years ago the ancient
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Egyptians dreamed of their
souls traveling through a
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fiery underworld.
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And up to the stars.
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And the people of Stonehenge
fixed their gaze on the
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heavens even earlier,
some 5,000 years ago.
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But archaeologists have
recently found evidence of a
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culture that believed in
a version of heaven and hell
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even before those
monuments were built.
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It's not where you'd expect.
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Archaeologist Jan Simeck is
taking me to a site on the
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hills of Tennessee, one that
the ancient native American
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ancestors of the Cherokee used
for hundreds of generations.
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So, then where
are we going now?
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So, we're going
to a cave called Dunbar Cave.
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It's a cave that was used
for as much as 10,000 years
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by prehistoric people,
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much of that time they were
using it as a religious site,
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you know, kind of the
entryway to hell in our terms.
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These formations,
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they just scream ancient.
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Yeah, they are,
the cave itself is a very
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ancient place.
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It's beautiful isn't it?
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Over the centuries people
have left their mark on
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these walls, most have
little historical significance,
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but, in a chamber 200 yards
from the mouth of the cave,
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Jan's archaeological team has
made a stunning discovery,
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artwork that could represent
humanities oldest imaginings
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of heaven and hell.
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So, Morgan, this is Beau Caroll,
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a graduate student of
anthropology and a member of
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the eastern band of
Cherokee Indians.
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Look at this.
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So, what we're
looking at here are
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these two symbols,
one looks like a star,
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one could resemble a comet.
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So, the original peoples
came down and
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they made these symbols
representative of what?
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Some people have
actually interpreted this
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cross and circle image as a
sign that represents the upper
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world above, the middle
world and the world below.
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Cherokee people
believe that they came from
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the stars, and they were
put here in the underworld,
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in earth, and we were
born from the earth.
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I think that this could
be a depiction of that.
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The Cherokee
believe the universe is
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encased in a stone sphere.
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Inside are three
levels of existence.
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Cherokee souls are created amid
the stars of the upper world,
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then they sink deep underground
into the lower world where they
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await their birth
into the middle world,
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the land of the living.
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At death their soul returns
underground and then travels
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back up to the stars.
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Closing an endless cycle
of life, death and rebirth.
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For the ancient Cherokee,
to enter this cave was to set
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foot into the lower world,
a place where the living
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did not belong.
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Oh, look what I see.
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What do I see?
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So, we're looking
here at a reclining
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human figure,
about 6 and a half feet long.
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His head is pointed down
into the depths of the cave,
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so this is a warrior
floating into the death realm
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of the underworld.
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Do you get a
special feeling coming into
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these caves and knowing the
ancestry of that part of your?
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I get nervous.
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But you're an archaeologist.
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Yeah.
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I think that they put this
guy here because he's guarding
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something, I think there's
something in here that they
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don't want found.
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I think that I get that
feeling from this drawing
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because we're really
not supposed to be here.
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Jan and Beau have
brought me to the edge of
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the Cherokee underworld,
but I wanna know if these
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ancient people also tried
to make contact with their
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upper world, their heaven.
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What about the upper world?
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Would you like to go see?
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Absolutely.
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Let�s go.
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Come on.
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So, we're in a
place called mount bottom,
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it was a large village,
centered around a mound that
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provided access to the
upper world, the temple,
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and that's what
we're looking at here.
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This native American village,
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situated about 50 miles
south of the Dunbar Cave,
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was a center of religious
life for the Cherokee ancestors.
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The top of the central earthen
mound was as close to heaven
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as the living could get.
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Okay, so what happens up here?
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Just like with the,
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with the cave and the
underworld you go from...
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inside the cave you go
from middle to under,
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here it's the same thing
except we're going from
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middle to upper.
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We're right on the cusp
of a cosmic doorway.
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Can you be a little bit more specific
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About what that is?
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When we say you're on the cusp
of a cosmic doorway, who is?
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The living?
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So, all these people
that have passed on
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before us they're
essentially in another world,
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they can hear us if we talk
to them in the right way,
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if we dance the right way,
if we sing the right song,
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then those people can hear us,
and those people know that we
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haven't forgotten who they were,
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we haven't forgotten who we were.
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Everything wants to go up,
and if you build this up here
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and have the same dances it
would be heard better than
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doing it down on the ground.
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So the higher
you go the more you're likely
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to be in touch with the
elders or the gods...
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whoever wants to listen.
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Right.
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Going into the Dunbar Cave
I felt like Orpheus must have
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when he descended into hell.
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And it made me realize how
ancient and universal our
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connection with
heaven and hell is.
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I felt a vague sense
of fear as I moved deeper
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into the darkness of the cave.
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Likewise I felt a sense
of hope and release when
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I climbed to the top of the temple.
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We all share these
hopes and fears.
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We always have, we
probably always will.
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For thousands of years heaven
and hell have driven us to
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create enduring monuments,
they've inspired iconic works
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of art, around the world
the faithful hope for an
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afterlife in paradise,
or, fear eternal damnation.
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But sometimes hell
visits people on earth.
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In Ethiopia, many people
believe evil spirits can take
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over the bodies of the living.
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One way to chase them out
is to undergo an exorcism.
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Historian, Nancy Caciola,
and religions scholar,
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Solomon Getina have
come to Debre Libanos,
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a seventh century monastery of
the Ethiopian orthodox church.
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It's a site with a long
history of exorcism.
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I can't wait to see what it's like.
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Yeah.
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I will take you inside
and you will see how
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people get healed.
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Ethiopian Christians believe demonic
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possession manifests
itself in many ways.
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From the mild pain of
a headache to extreme
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hallucinations and
emotional disturbances.
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People travel here from
all over Ethiopia to
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rid themselves of
the hellish demons they
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believe possess them.
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Zelalam Gedachim is one of
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those people.
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Why were you feeling ill and why did
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you decide that you
needed to come here?
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You see, he said
he heard unusual voices.
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Ah, so these
voices feel sinister and
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evil to you?
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Exactly, exactly, exactly.
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Zelalam, like the
hundreds of other people
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with more severe symptoms,
has come here to be healed by
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St. Tekle's cross, a holy object
so revered it's always kept
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wrapped in cloth.
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St. Tekle was an Ethiopian
Orthodox monk who took charge
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of this monastery
in the 13th century.
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So this cross has a
very special power of
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expelling demons then?
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So it makes the demons
upset and that's why they
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react in this way?
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Exactly, exactly.
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Because the demons can't tolerate
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to be close to something holy?
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Exactly, exactly.
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Yeah.
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He�s saying
"I�m burned" demon in her
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is saying,
you know, you know,
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I'm burned,
I'm burned, I�m burned.
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As the cross nears the possessed they
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believe the demons will be
expelled from their bodies.
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Now it is Zelalam's turn.
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Despite his outward calm
he firmly believes the voice
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in his head is a demon.
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And only the cross can expel it.
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So he's going to beat the demon?
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Exactly, the ordered
to kneel down so...
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So the cross is for
the blessing and then
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if it's stubborn he'll
beat them with the strap?
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Exactly.
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So, do you feel that the evil spirits
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have left you now?
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Permanently?
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So, after he kissed
the cross he didn't
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feel the previous feeling.
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He said that he is
sure that he's healed.
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You can see that there's
this struggle going
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on between good and evil,
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heaven and hell,
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humanity and forces
of evil and demons.
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Exactly.
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You can see that in the
responses of people,
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the noises they make,
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the way that they
twist their bodies,
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you can see the struggle
that is this cosmic
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part of the world of good
and evil that we live in.
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Exactly, this is a...
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But it's right in the body
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of this individual.
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Ethiopian Christians see their
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suffering, be it illness,
conflict or any calamity that
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befalls them, as the shadow of
hell falling on their lives.
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Bowing down to the cross can
purge them of that shadow and
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bring them peace in this world.
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But where there is
darkness there is also light.
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Some people feel they
are touched by heaven in a
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physical way, every Sunday.
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I've come to Albuquerque,
New Mexico,
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to meet Annie Naz.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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I�m Annie.
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I�m Morgan.
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Pleased to meet you.
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It's my pleasure Annie.
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Annie's family recently
Immigrated from Pakistan
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to the U.S.
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You're from Pakistan?
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Right.
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The name Annie,
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isn't that a Christian name?
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It is, I was born in
a Pentecostal, Christian family.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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But you were
not Pentecostal Christian.
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In the beginning I
didn't like going to church,
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I thought it was boring,
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but then I had a great
spiritual experience.
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One day we were worshiping
and all of a sudden
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I just started
feeling like crying,
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and I started praising god,
I started saying those words,
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when I started speaking
I was speaking in tongues.
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Okay, alright.
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You know, it just
changed my life in a huge,
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huge, huge way.
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Any chance I get to see you
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speaking in tongues?
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When you feel
the presence of god,
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even if I try to speak to you...
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Yeah.
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I just can't, my
tongue starts twisting and I
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start speaking in tongues,
so you might.
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Annie is taking me to the
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New Life United Pentecostal Church,
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where they worship
by speaking in tongues.
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This practice comes
from the Christian bible.
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According to the book of acts,
50 days after Jesus�s death,
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on the day of the Pentecost,
the Holy Spirit filled
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Christ's disciples
causing them to speak in
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an unknown language.
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Pentecostal services
recreate this moment of heaven
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coming down to earth.
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Yeah, I gotta praise,
I gotta praise now, now, now,
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Now, I gotta praise.
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Can�t stop, praising his name,
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I just can't stop
praising his name,
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I just can't stop praising
his name, Jesus, Jesus.
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In the name of Jesus,
in the name of Jesus.
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When I began to open
myself up and surrender
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to God and allow his
spirit to move within me,
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It's a sneak preview of
what heaven's gonna be like.
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I want you to close your eyes,
I want you to begin to pray.
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In your heart, right now,
I want you to open your soul
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and say God, here I am.
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I surrender to you.
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I don't care what
you're facing in life,
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what situations
you're struggling with,
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I'm here to tell you today
that God has the ability and
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the power through his
spirit to bring you out
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of that circumstance,
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to give you that heaven
can be a real place.
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Hallelujah, we thank you
Jesus, thank you Jesus.
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Thank you Jesus.
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In the name of Jesus right now,
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Let your holy spirit
begin to move!
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All around me people
have been swept up
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by an invisible force.
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And now they speak
what they believe is the
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language of heaven.
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I can see on their
faces that they are
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genuinely somewhere else.
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You were there for a long time.
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You don't have any idea
what you were saying?
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No, but when you
let the Holy Spirit flow
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through you, then, I mean,
then you don't have any control
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over yourself and it's
just the Holy Spirit,
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The Holy Spirit
speaking to you,
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And I can't wait
till I go to heaven,
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because that's how
I will be at all times.
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Well, you know,
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I've been going to the
cultural experiences of
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different religions
and belief systems,
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and the thing that I have
learned is that everybody's
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truth is the truth.
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That was quite a
powerful experience.
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I could...
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feel the energy in that space.
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Normal people suddenly
transformed by some power.
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And then just as suddenly
return to normal.
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Pentecostals believe that
they are bringing heaven down to
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earth, now, whatever it is,
once they felt that power
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they're not the same.
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Experience changes them.
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How they see themselves,
how they relate to others...
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how they live their lives.
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The Pentecostals feel the
presence of heaven through
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their unique ritual.
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But one Hindu king physically
built heaven on earth.
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To entice the gods
to reside in there.
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Mississippi is my home.
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Being here just feels...
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right.
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To me it's like heaven on earth.
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And we all yearn for that
place where you're at ease,
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the place where you
feel you belong.
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The ancient Jews sought
the heaven of their homeland
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when they left Babylon.
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The Mormons found theirs
by the Great Salt Lake.
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It's a universal human
urge to find your heaven
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here, and now.
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In the jungles of Cambodia,
over 900 years ago,
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one king built his
own heaven on earth.
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This is Angkor Wat.
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It's the largest religious
monument in the world.
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Today it's a Buddhist temple,
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but that wasn't
always the case.
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It was originally
constructed by the king of
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the Khmer empire,
Suryavarman II,
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as a model of Hindu heaven.
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Hey David, how are you?
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It's been a while.
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Right.
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Welcome, welcome.
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Thank you, Thank you, very much.
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Archaeologist, David Brotherson,
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as enlisted the aid of
Cambodian historian,
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Syan Superovi to understand
why this incredible
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site was built.
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It�s mind boggling how much work
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was put into building this
immaculate building.
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Tremendously.
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And the amount of manpower that was
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deployed here, there must
have been a very important
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underlying reason for them
to go to all this effort?
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Definitely.
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This whole complex
itself is the symbolisms of
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the entire universe.
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Moat, in the Hindu mythology,
Moat is symbolizing the oceans
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that is surrounding
Mount Meru.
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In Hindu mythology,
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the five peaks of
Mount Meru are the center
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of the universe.
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The heavenly abode of the gods.
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So, the Moats which surround these
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temples are huge, and they
symbolize the ocean that
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surrounds where the gods live.
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The entire complex itself
symbolizing the
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universe, right?
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But, this temple, it's not only that,
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it is the heaven on earth,
it is the place called the
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highest world of Vishnu,
in Sanskrit it's called...
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I believe
I read the translation,
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It's a sacred paradise
of Vishnu as well.
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The Hindu god, Vishnu,
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Is the protector of
creation and Angkor Wat was
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built for him.
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Inside the temple are
over 12,000 square feet of
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intricately carved reliefs.
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One relief was created
to link king Suryavarman II
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to Vishnu himself.
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Look, you can see that by relief,
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the king who build this temple,
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and if you look
closely over there,
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there is an
inscription saying...
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Meaning that he is the king
who went through the highest
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world of Vishnu.
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Archaeologists
aren't sure whether
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the king is buried here,
but local people believe that
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his spirit resides here
in Vishnu�s paradise.
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That paradise, that heaven,
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lies at the top
of the central tower.
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So they believe that Suryavarman II's
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spirit would inhabit these
towers in the afterlife?
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Exactly, exactly, exactly.
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If you look at the steps, you
know, like the wider the step,
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why it's too narrow, you know,
like it can be implied the
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ideas of that you are
approaching the worlds of god
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is not that easy.
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Alright, well,
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let's not wait a moment
longer, let's go up.
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Please come.
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The peak of the temple
was believed by the
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khmer to be the highest
reaches of heaven and the
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realm of Vishnu himself.
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David, what do you think?
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I think that everyone is impressed
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by your ancestors.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is phenomenal.
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Perhaps they were
building such immaculate,
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beautiful structures
to entice the gods to inhabit
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these structures so that
the priests, the king,
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would have had this
opportunity to have a direct
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connection with the supernatural.
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That�s true.
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Even if you're not a spiritual person
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you can feel the aura of
this kind of place, you know,
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we really are
at heaven on earth.
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Angkor Wat is
an impressive example of
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one man's attempt to
build a heaven on earth, but,
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I wonder does it have
to be so monumental?
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So elaborate?
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2,000 years ago,
in Galilee and Jerusalem,
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a man called Jesus
began his ministry.
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He told his followers
that they would inherit the
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kingdom of heaven.
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I've always struggled to
understand what he meant
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by that, whether the
heaven he spoke of was
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up in the sky or down
here on earth.
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There's one group of
Christians that might know the
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answer to that question.
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The Assyrian Christian church
dates its foundation to just a
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few years after Jesus�s death.
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It claims its theology is
what Jesus himself believed.
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For them, heaven means
being close to god,
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hell is being far from god.
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The Assyrian community's
home is now called Iraq.
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So, I wanted to understand
how you can find a piece of
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heaven when you are living
in what became hell on earth?
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I've been invited
to break bread with two
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Assyrians from Baghdad.
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Hi, how are you sir?
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Just fine, how are you?
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Mervat Schlyaman...
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Nice to see you.
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And her son, Mattius Aneuam.
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Hi, my name's Mattius.
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Mattius.
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Nice to meet you, have a seat.
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Would you like some tea?
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Thank you, that would be nice.
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Ah.
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You're from Iraq?
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Uh huh, yes.
494
00:29:47,153 --> 00:29:48,886
But you're not Iraqi?
495
00:29:48,921 --> 00:29:50,888
You are?
496
00:29:50,923 --> 00:29:52,556
We�re Assyrian Christians,
497
00:29:52,591 --> 00:29:54,625
we lived in Iraq
for over 2,000 years.
498
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:55,993
How old are you?
499
00:29:56,028 --> 00:29:58,762
I'm just kidding.
500
00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:01,231
But the Assyrian Christians
have been there since
501
00:30:01,267 --> 00:30:03,033
the time of Jesus?
502
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:09,173
You were in Iraq and then the
503
00:30:09,208 --> 00:30:11,341
civil war broke out?
504
00:30:11,377 --> 00:30:13,110
Yes.
505
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,946
That's the insurgence against
506
00:30:15,981 --> 00:30:17,447
the government?
507
00:30:18,984 --> 00:30:20,217
And you were still there?
508
00:30:20,252 --> 00:30:21,518
Yes.
509
00:30:21,554 --> 00:30:22,886
During the war?
510
00:30:22,922 --> 00:30:24,454
Must have been awful.
511
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:34,464
She�s saying,
before the war started the
512
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,567
Muslim and the Christian
community they were all
513
00:30:36,602 --> 00:30:39,336
peaceful, everyone was
treated equally, but,
514
00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:41,738
when the war started everything
515
00:30:41,774 --> 00:30:43,774
started going downhill.
516
00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:54,117
Is that problematical?
517
00:30:54,153 --> 00:30:56,186
That you were
Assyrian Christians in a
518
00:30:56,222 --> 00:30:59,089
largely Muslim country?
519
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,164
There was no law and order between
520
00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:11,702
the communities, and
the militants thought that
521
00:31:11,737 --> 00:31:15,572
the Christians were working
with the American soldiers,
522
00:31:15,608 --> 00:31:19,509
so, started creating problems.
523
00:31:26,619 --> 00:31:28,719
The insurgents,
524
00:31:28,754 --> 00:31:31,021
they put bombs in cars and
they used to really to put 'em
525
00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:33,757
like in front of churches
and other religious areas and
526
00:31:33,792 --> 00:31:36,760
they'd blow 'em up.
527
00:31:40,199 --> 00:31:44,067
Didn�t that frighten you?
528
00:31:50,376 --> 00:31:53,176
She said, yeah, it frightened us.
529
00:31:53,212 --> 00:31:55,779
We hear like that
church got blown up,
530
00:31:55,814 --> 00:31:59,049
it struck fear in our hearts.
531
00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:00,617
We started getting threats.
532
00:32:00,653 --> 00:32:02,119
Threats?
533
00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:03,253
Yeah.
534
00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:04,655
What kind of threats?
535
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:10,227
"We�re gonna Kidnap
your son and kill you."
536
00:32:10,496 --> 00:32:14,965
Wow, so then what?
537
00:32:15,301 --> 00:32:16,867
You left Baghdad?
538
00:32:16,902 --> 00:32:19,036
Yeah, we did leave.
539
00:32:19,071 --> 00:32:20,704
Where'd you go?
540
00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:24,241
We got onto a bus
with some of our
541
00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:27,711
clothes and we
just went to Syria.
542
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,448
Out of the frying pan into the fire.
543
00:32:32,117 --> 00:32:35,719
Within a year of their
arrival in Syria,
544
00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:39,957
Marvat and Mattius faced
A new threat, ISIS.
545
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,997
We actually Filed
applications with the
546
00:32:47,032 --> 00:32:50,367
United Nations and they
actually accepted us to come
547
00:32:50,402 --> 00:32:54,838
to the United States.
548
00:32:55,274 --> 00:32:57,140
Welcome to the U.S.
549
00:32:57,176 --> 00:32:58,875
Thank you.
550
00:32:58,911 --> 00:33:03,213
I want you to, for me,
to make a comparison.
551
00:33:03,248 --> 00:33:07,985
Your time in the hottest
part of Iraq and the hottest
552
00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:12,222
part of Syria,
and your life now?
553
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:18,495
It's life here, freedom.
554
00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:21,365
Freedom of religion,
555
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,034
it's really different to
come here, to America,
556
00:33:24,069 --> 00:33:28,305
I do think between the
heaven and hell and I compare
557
00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:31,608
it to my life.
558
00:33:32,644 --> 00:33:34,945
Mervan and
Mattius have joined other
559
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:38,048
Assyrian refugees in
California's central valley,
560
00:33:38,083 --> 00:33:42,586
where they can live
and pray in peace.
561
00:33:44,857 --> 00:33:48,291
Mervat and Mattius have
lived through hell on earth,
562
00:33:48,327 --> 00:33:50,694
they were chased out of two
countries because of their
563
00:33:50,729 --> 00:33:55,065
faith, but, the promise of
heaven rooted in a tradition
564
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:59,369
that goes back to the time of
Christ gave them the strength
565
00:33:59,405 --> 00:34:02,506
to find a better life,
566
00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:06,743
they made it to
their kingdom of heaven.
567
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:10,781
Finding heaven on earth
is a goal for many faiths
568
00:34:10,816 --> 00:34:14,484
around the world.
569
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,489
But in the jungles of Mexico,
the faithful dared to step
570
00:34:19,525 --> 00:34:22,159
into their own heaven.
571
00:34:22,194 --> 00:34:24,995
In an underwater graveyard.
572
00:34:32,304 --> 00:34:36,273
As a youngster
growing up in Mississippi,
573
00:34:36,308 --> 00:34:39,443
Hollywood seemed
impossibly far away.
574
00:34:39,478 --> 00:34:43,513
A land I only dreamed
of ever seeing.
575
00:34:43,549 --> 00:34:45,982
Many faithful think of
heaven the same way,
576
00:34:46,018 --> 00:34:49,086
an impossible realm that
you will never set foot in,
577
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:51,621
in this life.
578
00:34:51,657 --> 00:34:57,360
Or is heaven a place where
you can come back from and
579
00:34:57,396 --> 00:34:59,863
tell the tale?
580
00:35:07,005 --> 00:35:10,373
In Mexico�s Yucatan peninsula
the ancient Maya believed they
581
00:35:10,409 --> 00:35:12,976
had found entry ways to
heaven through water filled,
582
00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:16,146
underground caverns.
583
00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:21,084
Called cenotes.
584
00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:24,387
Archaeologist and National
Geographic explorer,
585
00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:28,291
Giamo Dianda and his
colleague, Dante Garcia,
586
00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:31,094
are here to dive
at two cenotes deep in
587
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:34,664
the Yucatan jungle.
588
00:35:36,101 --> 00:35:38,969
They are searching for
evidence that the Maya entered
589
00:35:39,004 --> 00:35:42,205
these cenotes to offer
human sacrifices to their
590
00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:45,475
god of rain, Chaac.
591
00:35:49,047 --> 00:35:50,147
What�s up?
592
00:35:50,182 --> 00:35:51,581
Good to see you again, man.
593
00:35:51,617 --> 00:35:53,116
Nice to see you again.
594
00:35:53,152 --> 00:35:55,252
Pedro Flores is a descendant of the
595
00:35:55,287 --> 00:35:58,488
ancient Maya people
who lived in this area.
596
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,426
This is the cenote that I talked
597
00:36:03,462 --> 00:36:04,661
to you about.
598
00:36:04,696 --> 00:36:07,564
Oh this is great,
it's a great entrance.
599
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:11,201
It�s very mystical for me,
the cenotes,
600
00:36:11,236 --> 00:36:16,873
with water, is the closest
doorway to underground heaven.
601
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:19,843
This is the threshold
between our world,
602
00:36:19,878 --> 00:36:22,546
physical world, and
the spiritual world.
603
00:36:22,581 --> 00:36:26,683
And the world of gods
like for instance Chaac.
604
00:36:27,419 --> 00:36:29,586
Maya legend says the rain god,
605
00:36:29,621 --> 00:36:33,123
Chaac, lived in the
clouds, the heavens.
606
00:36:33,158 --> 00:36:36,326
But his heaven also extended
underground where Chaacs
607
00:36:36,361 --> 00:36:39,529
avatars scoop up water
from the cenotes with
608
00:36:39,565 --> 00:36:43,133
earthenware jars to make rain.
609
00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:46,836
Thunder is the sound of these
jars being broken open and
610
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:50,840
releasing the downpour.
The rain was vital for the survival
611
00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:55,312
of the corn crop, and,
in turn, the Maya people.
612
00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:58,348
Archaeologists
believe ancient Maya
613
00:36:58,383 --> 00:37:01,885
would come to the cenotes and
offer human sacrifices to
614
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,822
bring the rain.
615
00:37:11,797 --> 00:37:15,098
Before Giamo and Dante
Enter the cenote Pedro
616
00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,367
makes an offering to Chaac.
617
00:37:23,475 --> 00:37:27,077
I just asked permission you, Chaac,
618
00:37:27,112 --> 00:37:30,880
the father of rain,
father of water, thunders,
619
00:37:30,916 --> 00:37:35,051
he's the one who gonna
help us to go in safe and
620
00:37:35,087 --> 00:37:37,087
get back safe.
621
00:37:37,122 --> 00:37:40,790
Thank you.
622
00:37:41,994 --> 00:37:44,461
Go.
623
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:15,992
Giamo and Dante dive 100 feet
624
00:38:16,028 --> 00:38:18,728
below the surface.
625
00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:21,931
They discover some carved
stones which Giamo believes
626
00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:27,771
could be over 1000 years old,
but no sign of human remains.
627
00:38:34,446 --> 00:38:37,647
Giamo hopes they will find
proof of human sacrifice at
628
00:38:37,683 --> 00:38:42,519
another cenote that's two
and a half miles away.
629
00:38:47,025 --> 00:38:51,628
So we rappel down
and suit up and make
630
00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:55,865
a quick look, we will forage.
631
00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:58,601
Access to the second cenote requires
632
00:38:58,637 --> 00:39:03,873
the divers to be lowered down
to the water 30 feet below.
633
00:39:16,621 --> 00:39:20,990
Giamo and Dante discover
some pottery, and then...
634
00:39:24,096 --> 00:39:29,532
the evidence of sacrifice
they've been looking for.
635
00:39:30,369 --> 00:39:32,402
This is the ultimate
offering you can
636
00:39:32,437 --> 00:39:36,272
make to gods, human blood
or a human life.
637
00:39:36,308 --> 00:39:40,243
So, in times of desperation,
big droughts, no rain,
638
00:39:40,278 --> 00:39:44,614
no agriculture, it's maybe
time to do a sacrifice and to
639
00:39:44,649 --> 00:39:47,984
appease the gods and to
ask for them, to beg them,
640
00:39:48,019 --> 00:39:51,020
to make rain.
641
00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:54,457
The ritual importance of
these places, cenotes and caves,
642
00:39:54,493 --> 00:39:57,594
they are strong, they have huge,
643
00:39:57,629 --> 00:40:02,365
important energies that
the Maya knew about,
644
00:40:02,401 --> 00:40:05,468
and these people
supposed to, sometimes,
645
00:40:05,504 --> 00:40:09,873
carry a message for the
gods that live there.
646
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:14,377
The Maya believed cenotes were
647
00:40:14,413 --> 00:40:16,846
passageways to heaven,
648
00:40:16,882 --> 00:40:20,450
some who ventured into
those waters returned,
649
00:40:20,485 --> 00:40:22,852
I'm sure they
told incredible tales of
650
00:40:22,888 --> 00:40:26,623
what they saw.
651
00:40:29,227 --> 00:40:33,963
Across the world, in India,
Hindus also believe they have
652
00:40:33,999 --> 00:40:37,834
a passageway to an eternal
world, the Ganges river.
653
00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:45,341
It leads to a state of
pure energy called moksha.
654
00:40:45,744 --> 00:40:49,245
Hindus believe
in reincarnation,
655
00:40:49,281 --> 00:40:53,616
but when they reach moksha,
their version of heaven,
656
00:40:53,652 --> 00:40:56,419
they don't return to earth.
657
00:40:56,455 --> 00:40:59,956
We can't ask them any more
than we can ask the Maya what
658
00:40:59,991 --> 00:41:05,595
heaven is like, but, today,
thanks to modern medicine,
659
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:10,066
people occasionally die
and come back to life.
660
00:41:10,101 --> 00:41:15,305
Perhaps they have tales
of heaven to tell us?
661
00:41:23,381 --> 00:41:27,016
To learn what heaven might
be like I�m going to speak
662
00:41:27,052 --> 00:41:31,354
to a woman who claims she
went there when she died.
663
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:32,889
Would you like to come and sit?
664
00:41:32,924 --> 00:41:34,290
Surely.
665
00:41:34,326 --> 00:41:37,594
A physician's assistant
named Krista Gorman.
666
00:41:37,629 --> 00:41:42,131
You had a near
death experience,
667
00:41:42,634 --> 00:41:44,667
I'm talking to a real,
668
00:41:44,703 --> 00:41:47,370
live woman who had
a near death experience?
669
00:41:47,405 --> 00:41:50,206
Uh huh, yes you are.
670
00:41:50,242 --> 00:41:52,642
What led up to that?
671
00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:56,045
Well, I was pregnant
with my daughter and
672
00:41:56,081 --> 00:41:58,715
I went in a week before
she was due because she
673
00:41:58,750 --> 00:42:00,984
had a problem with her
kidney, not only that,
674
00:42:01,019 --> 00:42:05,255
but her heart rate
was dropping very low.
675
00:42:09,895 --> 00:42:12,862
So, they said, you know,
we need to do a C-section,
676
00:42:12,898 --> 00:42:16,633
and it was too
dangerous to wait.
677
00:42:21,506 --> 00:42:27,143
I started having trouble
breathing and I passed out.
678
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:41,291
They lost my pulse
for eight minutes.
679
00:42:41,326 --> 00:42:43,793
Can we define that as death?
680
00:42:43,828 --> 00:42:47,730
In the clinical sense, perhaps.
681
00:42:47,766 --> 00:42:49,999
My heart stopped beating,
I wasn't getting any blood
682
00:42:50,035 --> 00:42:51,568
flow to my brain.
683
00:42:51,603 --> 00:42:55,138
Okay, so, you pass out.
684
00:42:55,307 --> 00:42:57,840
Then the next thing
I remember was being
685
00:42:57,876 --> 00:43:02,645
very far above my body.
686
00:43:04,816 --> 00:43:07,884
I saw the body laying there
and there were people around it,
687
00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:10,219
and I was still me,
I was still Krista,
688
00:43:10,255 --> 00:43:12,889
but I had no relationship
with anything that I
689
00:43:12,924 --> 00:43:15,224
was witnessing below.
690
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:16,759
It�s happening but you're still
691
00:43:16,795 --> 00:43:18,094
not involved in it?
692
00:43:18,129 --> 00:43:19,896
Correct.
693
00:43:19,931 --> 00:43:22,031
I felt this tugging to my left,
694
00:43:22,067 --> 00:43:24,500
something kind of
pulled at me a little bit,
695
00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:27,003
as if to say, come on.
696
00:43:27,038 --> 00:43:30,106
And I, yes, okay, I�ll go.
697
00:43:30,141 --> 00:43:33,343
I just started moving.
698
00:43:33,645 --> 00:43:37,080
Through the wall and
into this bright white space
699
00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:39,349
that was just a flash.
700
00:43:39,384 --> 00:43:43,519
I came out into what
I called my Eden,
701
00:43:43,555 --> 00:43:46,623
it was a space that
was incredibly beautiful,
702
00:43:46,658 --> 00:43:50,760
green, rolling hills, beautiful,
blue sky, there was a deep,
703
00:43:50,795 --> 00:43:55,064
evergreen forest, and to my
left there was a moss covered,
704
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,701
rock waterfall, and
it was beyond beautiful.
705
00:43:59,838 --> 00:44:02,171
I felt like I was at one with it and
706
00:44:02,207 --> 00:44:04,507
it was one with me.
707
00:44:04,542 --> 00:44:09,345
I was flanked on both sides
by what I refer to as my
708
00:44:09,381 --> 00:44:13,616
spiritual guides or what
we would call angels, here,
709
00:44:14,886 --> 00:44:19,122
they were very tall and thin
and almost like they were
710
00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:22,892
wearing drapes, and they
communicated to me that I
711
00:44:22,927 --> 00:44:26,529
could either stay in
that place, that Eden,
712
00:44:26,564 --> 00:44:30,466
I could move beyond
that to what came next,
713
00:44:30,502 --> 00:44:32,669
or I could come back here.
714
00:44:32,704 --> 00:44:36,439
And as soon as I
made that decision...
715
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:41,678
I started to move backwards
very, very quickly,
716
00:44:41,713 --> 00:44:45,248
and they sort of turned to me
and communicated well if you
717
00:44:45,283 --> 00:44:50,319
choose to go back you need
to share what you learned here,
718
00:44:50,555 --> 00:44:53,956
and I had this feeling
of tremendous love
719
00:44:53,992 --> 00:44:57,860
just permeated me.
720
00:45:00,265 --> 00:45:01,798
Awesome.
721
00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:03,332
Yeah.
722
00:45:03,368 --> 00:45:04,934
As far as I can tell, you
723
00:45:04,969 --> 00:45:06,669
just described heaven.
724
00:45:06,705 --> 00:45:10,973
It was heaven, it was my heaven.
725
00:45:11,009 --> 00:45:13,342
When do you get back to the time that
726
00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:16,446
you know, oh, wow, okay,
I'm right back here.
727
00:45:16,481 --> 00:45:19,982
They were able to get
me back and awake
728
00:45:20,018 --> 00:45:24,387
on some level roughly
24 hours after the event,
729
00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:28,791
and I woke up that morning
just wanting to, you know,
730
00:45:28,827 --> 00:45:31,260
shout from the hilltops
what I had learned,
731
00:45:31,296 --> 00:45:33,963
what had happened to me.
732
00:45:33,998 --> 00:45:37,800
Religion, got one?
733
00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:41,504
My religion is love, you know...
734
00:45:41,539 --> 00:45:46,409
God, to me, is love.
735
00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:48,177
That�s what we were taught when we
736
00:45:48,213 --> 00:45:49,512
were three years old.
737
00:45:50,982 --> 00:45:54,951
God is love.
738
00:45:54,986 --> 00:45:56,753
And it's that simple.
739
00:45:56,788 --> 00:45:58,187
We are love.
740
00:45:58,223 --> 00:45:59,856
Now, hold on a second,
741
00:45:59,891 --> 00:46:05,461
you're gonna say to the entire
world it's as simple as that?
742
00:46:05,497 --> 00:46:07,697
For me it is.
743
00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:11,267
Well, I have to believe that it's
744
00:46:11,302 --> 00:46:15,071
as simple as that.
745
00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:17,073
Yeah.
746
00:46:17,108 --> 00:46:20,076
All of this we have discussed is
747
00:46:20,111 --> 00:46:24,947
around the birth or
attempted birth of a baby.
748
00:46:27,886 --> 00:46:29,719
Which is it?
749
00:46:29,754 --> 00:46:31,554
The birth of my daughter.
750
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:33,289
So you have her?
751
00:46:33,324 --> 00:46:35,224
She is a reality?
752
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:36,692
Would you like to meet her?
753
00:46:36,728 --> 00:46:37,994
Of course.
754
00:46:38,029 --> 00:46:40,763
Let�s go.
755
00:46:41,132 --> 00:46:42,131
Hey Maggie.
756
00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:43,933
Hi.
757
00:46:43,968 --> 00:46:45,468
There�s somebody I want you to meet.
758
00:46:45,503 --> 00:46:46,769
What are you doing?
759
00:46:46,805 --> 00:46:48,104
Nice to meet you.
760
00:46:48,139 --> 00:46:49,472
What?
761
00:46:49,507 --> 00:46:50,773
Don't I get a hug?
762
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:52,074
Oh hi!
763
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:54,911
Oh my goodness.
764
00:46:56,281 --> 00:46:59,215
Okay, alright, you know
we're here to talk to your mom
765
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,384
about you'alls experience?
766
00:47:01,419 --> 00:47:02,819
Yeah.
767
00:47:02,854 --> 00:47:04,253
How do you feel?
768
00:47:04,289 --> 00:47:06,756
I was ten, 11, when
she first sat me down and
769
00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:09,058
talked to me about it,
and when I first heard about
770
00:47:09,093 --> 00:47:12,461
it I didn't really
understand it all that much.
771
00:47:12,497 --> 00:47:14,030
It went over my head.
772
00:47:14,065 --> 00:47:18,367
After that I was around 14
when I finally realized why
773
00:47:18,403 --> 00:47:21,270
she thinks so highly
of this experience,
774
00:47:21,306 --> 00:47:24,440
and I can finally
understand how to apply it
775
00:47:24,475 --> 00:47:25,908
to my own life.
776
00:47:25,944 --> 00:47:28,978
It makes sense
to me that at ten your mum
777
00:47:29,013 --> 00:47:32,481
explaining to you your birth,
that's about as far as you
778
00:47:32,517 --> 00:47:33,749
can go with it.
779
00:47:33,785 --> 00:47:35,318
Uh huh, yeah.
780
00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:37,119
Until things start to percolate
781
00:47:37,155 --> 00:47:38,287
Over the years.
782
00:47:38,323 --> 00:47:39,555
Yeah.
783
00:47:39,591 --> 00:47:44,794
Well Maggie, darling, I am so happy
784
00:47:44,829 --> 00:47:45,962
To see you.
785
00:47:45,997 --> 00:47:47,530
It�s such an honor.
786
00:47:47,565 --> 00:47:50,833
I mean, particularly
knowing mom and
787
00:47:50,869 --> 00:47:55,705
you and your trip together,
I am happy to see you here.
788
00:47:56,474 --> 00:48:00,009
Thank you so much.
789
00:48:01,746 --> 00:48:04,914
So many faiths have so many beliefs
790
00:48:04,949 --> 00:48:07,950
about heaven and hell.
791
00:48:07,986 --> 00:48:09,852
But Krista,
792
00:48:09,888 --> 00:48:14,290
like so many other survivors
of near death experiences,
793
00:48:14,325 --> 00:48:19,562
came back from her trip
with an overwhelming
794
00:48:19,597 --> 00:48:24,533
feeling of love, that's heaven.
795
00:48:26,504 --> 00:48:31,374
Heaven is simply love.
796
00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:34,610
And that's the power of
heaven and hell, I think.
797
00:48:34,812 --> 00:48:40,049
How they affect us emotionally
and fill us with love of our
798
00:48:40,084 --> 00:48:44,253
brothers and sisters and
fear that drives us away
799
00:48:44,289 --> 00:48:48,925
from evil and hope
for a brighter future.
800
00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:56,399
It drives us to make
a positive change,
801
00:48:57,535 --> 00:49:03,472
not in some other world
but right here on earth.
802
00:49:09,380 --> 00:49:13,149
My journey to understand
heaven and hell has taken me
803
00:49:13,184 --> 00:49:16,919
from the bowels of the
earth to the gates of Eden.
804
00:49:18,523 --> 00:49:22,191
From people who live in
the shadow of the inferno to
805
00:49:22,226 --> 00:49:26,062
those who bathe in the
light of paradise.
806
00:49:34,572 --> 00:49:37,640
Heaven and hell
are not just ideas.
807
00:49:37,675 --> 00:49:40,376
They're a part of us.
808
00:49:40,411 --> 00:49:43,946
A part of what we
yearn to escape.
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