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Alright, alright, alright,
shut up!
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Shut up!
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Shut your goddamn mouth,
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and let me make
a piece of my mind.
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Alright!
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Everybody
that likes to rape women,
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say, "Sieg Heil!"
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Sieg Heil!
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What are we doing?
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We...
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Yeah!
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What's up?
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Huh? I guess
we're going home.
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I'm trying to bring peace
to this world.
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I hope you guys are happy.
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It's real stoked.
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Peace! Love! Whatever...
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- No it doesn't.
- It happens all the time.
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It's good shit, man.
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We are going to keep on
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trying to strengthen
the American family
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to make American families
a lot more like the Waltons
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and a lot less
like the Simpsons.
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If you believe in free speech,
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people have the right
to burn a cross
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people have a right
to burn the flag.
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It's offending people, and it's
offending somebody's religion
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or offending somebody's love of
country. What's the difference?
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You offend people every day.
Should you go to jail?
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I wanna take the president,
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chop off his head, and mail it
to them in a garbage bag.
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Jerry! Jerry!
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- Jerry! Jerry!
- Thank you very much!
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'And now, here he is,
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'the conservative voice
of television,
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'Wally George!'
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Today we're gonna take a look
into the world of shock rock,
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rock music that is violent,
scary, and even perverse.
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We have one of the most
disgusting perverts
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I've ever seen in my whole life
on the show here.
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Here is El Duce.
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Hold on!
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Hey, hold it!
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How do you describe
your music?
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Well, it's rape rock.
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- "Rape rock"!
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You know, I wanna be polite
to anyone who comes on our show,
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but I gotta say, when I hear
that you promote rape,
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that is not only
thoroughly disgusting,
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but it can't possibly
be viewed as entertainment.
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Well, it is to me.
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Duce!
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I have two sons,
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a sixteen-year-old who's
sitting in the audience now,
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an a ten-year-old,
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and I try to teach my sons
how to be respectful,
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and that sodomizing people...
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Do you realize that
Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible
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was destroyed by God
because that was wrong?
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Do you realize that?
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I like music,
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but I do not like things that
promote violence against people.
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Let me ask you something.
When were you raped?
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I was raped in '70.
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You look kind of familiar,
I have to say.
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- No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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Sorry.
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That's just...
That's just plain disrespectful.
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- I mean, that's not...
- He doesn't know any better.
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That's not a point of view.
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Oh, Wally!
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You shouldn't have the right
to be on any stage
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or any radio station
in the United States of America.
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And now,
here they are: Gwar.
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- Uh, you like Gwar, huh?
- Yes.
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Is it OK that some of the
message, let's say, is violent?
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- Would that be OK?
- Yes.
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That's OK?
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Well, um, obviously...
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I think, yeah,
ours is simulated.
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And theirs is real!
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- One time...
- When he's on the sauce!
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When he's on the sauce!
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One time,
we had the misfortune
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of taking El Duce...
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Being on bus with him
is horrible.
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...from New York City...
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The whole band,
the whole band...
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There's sixteen of us,
and all of them in our bus.
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It was like...
no room at all to do anything.
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We were taking him
from New York City to Richmond.
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He had this punching balloon
like kids play with.
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He kept whacking it.
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First, he started
spitting on it,
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like, licking
big loogies on it,
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and then he'd go,
boogey-boogey-boogey...
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so it splashed everywhere.
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- Yeah.
- But then...
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- But then...
- He peed on it.
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And he was, like,
running around the bus,
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going tk-uh-tk-uh-tk-uh...
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into people's face
with this pee balloon.
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He gets on stage,
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pulls his pants down,
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pulls his dick out, and starts
flopping it around and stuff,
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and then some super sick
gross slut
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runs out on stage
and starts sucking him off
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in front of the whole audience.
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- And...
- Gross!
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Eurgh!
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In front of the whole
fucking audience!
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And the bouncers
didn't do a goddamn thing.
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OK, this is because..
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He's one of the weirdest guys
I know, man.
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I like him.
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I like him, because
he's always nice to me.
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He always is nice to me,
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but I really...
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You know, it does bother me
a little bit,
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the way he treats women.
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Very early on,
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he started referring to the band
as "rape rock", which I...
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If you asked me earlier,
was there anything,
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any song or anything
that really, uh...
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I thought was going
a little too far,
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when he first came out
with that,
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I thought that was going
a little too far.
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Personally, I'm not in favor
of rape, you know,
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I think it's hideous, and uh...
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So, to that extent, I think
that's going a little too far,
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but again,
that's his personal vision.
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What kind of people
go to your gigs?
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Uh, we get sort of a broad mix,
you know,
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we get a lot of your kind
of nihilistic punkers
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and some of your intellectuals.
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What do you think
of your brother?
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I think he's rocking.
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Is he?
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- He's a real man.
- Yeah.
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El Duce, your brother,
is a real man?
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- He's a real Aryan man.
- Yeah!
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Yeah! Sieg Heil!
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So El Duce is, um...
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Do El Duce's lyrics offend you?
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No, not really.
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The one song, "On The Rag",
kind of...
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"When I'm On The Rag",
that bothers me.
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But...
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Do you think he is serious
about his lyrics,
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or do you think he's kind of
just trying to have a laugh?
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I think a little of both.
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I don't know which more,
you know,
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which one is more...
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But...
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Does he ever scare you?
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No.
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He's... you know,
he's pretty nice, you know...
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for being a Mentor, you know.
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Where do you think he gets
his ideas for lyrics?
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Mm...
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From um...
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what he's seen other people
cringe about.
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Like a few...
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He loves to see people cringe.
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Even once or twice
I think they picketed,
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feminist groups
have picketed the man.
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Rape rock
is not a joke!
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Rape rock is not a joke!
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What do you think
of the demonstration
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that's going on outside?
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I think it's great.
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'Ted Weatherhead,
CBC News, Winnipeg.'
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You know, a lot of girls
trip out about it, but...
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you know, they shouldn't
take that all so seriously.
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Do you think it's clever?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the way they come up
with these ideas.
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It's pretty perverted,
but, you know...
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It's really funny
that they think of these things.
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I figure, you know,
El Duce is his own man.
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He's, uh...
In his own way he's a genius
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and a great comedian
and a great musician.
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So I don't want to attempt
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to put his point of view
through my filter.
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You know, I'm content
to play my part with the music
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and whatever he comes up with
in terms of his lyrics, uh...
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You know,
I'm a great El Duce fan,
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just from being in the band,
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it's great to watch him come up
with new lyrics and funny lines.
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So I would consider myself
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probably one of the greatest
connoisseurs of what he does,
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and I'm able -
at least I think I am -
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to recognize a good El Duce
performance from a bad one.
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I think to a certain extent,
he's, like, a great artist
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in that he doesn't really give
a damn what people think of him.
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You know, if you look at a
Van Gogh or something like that,
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these guys are so far out
in their own thing...
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they're just doing
what they're doing,
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they're on the auto pilot.
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And I think he's on auto pilot.
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He's not calculating anything
in minute details.
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He's not saying, "I'm going
to sing this particular line
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"cos I think this is going
to make the biggest impact."
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I think he's going to do
what he...
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what comes naturally.
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It's a legitimate expression
of his own psyche.
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Um...
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That's kind of a tough one,
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I guess maybe
"Free Fix For A Fuck"
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is a big favorite of mine.
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The lyrics that sort of
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pictorialized
abuse to women and all that
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doesn't bother you?
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Well, I like the "Straight
Out Of Compton" NWA tape, too.
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I heard that and I ran down
and bought it.
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It's talking about stuff
that is in some people's heads.
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He'll bring it out. Like...
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If El and them...
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If they were just running around
raping chicks
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that didn't want to be raped
and doing all this shit,
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if NWA was out gangbanging,
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I wouldn't be into their music.
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But they're musicians, they're
not into that stuff at all.
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You know, they're just
talking about a reflection
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of part of the human condition.
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And El has just... He has
such a humorous twist to it,
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nobody could take it
offensively.
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Turn on the camera,
I'm ready to rock.
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You better have that camera
on there, Ryan.
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Is that right?
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Does this light work?
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Yeah.
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Peaceful rape.
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What's peaceful rape?
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That's when you knock
a broad out on...
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Thorazine,
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maybe some, um...
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'ludes.
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So you don't believe in, uh...
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No, no, let me finish.
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Then hypnotism.
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Babe...
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take your bra off.
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Slut.
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Peel your panties off.
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Your clitoris here.
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Lock them legs.
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Uh! Uh! Mm...
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Ah! Swallow it.
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It's as easy as that.
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Heil Hitler.
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Mm!
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Mm, mm, mm, mm,
mm, mm, mm, mm... Mm!
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Mm!
255
00:20:35,786 --> 00:20:37,166
Mm!
256
00:20:43,172 --> 00:20:45,520
Have you always drank
for relaxation?
257
00:20:47,970 --> 00:20:49,972
I've been an alcoholic
all my life.
258
00:20:50,007 --> 00:20:52,975
I stole my first beer
from my dad.
259
00:20:53,010 --> 00:20:56,013
- El Duce likes to drink a lot.
- Yeah.
260
00:20:56,047 --> 00:20:57,635
He says he has
an alcohol problem.
261
00:20:57,670 --> 00:21:00,466
Yeah he's a full-on alcoholic.
262
00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:05,712
El Duce when he's sober
is a really nice guy,
263
00:21:05,747 --> 00:21:07,266
when he's drunk he's horrible.
264
00:21:08,577 --> 00:21:12,063
That way I know
that only I can drink it.
265
00:21:12,098 --> 00:21:14,963
Anybody who drinks it,
drinks my spit.
266
00:21:14,997 --> 00:21:16,965
El Duce drinks a lot
when he's around you?
267
00:21:16,999 --> 00:21:18,380
Yeah.
268
00:21:18,415 --> 00:21:20,175
He probably drinks a lot
when he's not around you.
269
00:21:20,209 --> 00:21:21,556
Yeah.
270
00:21:22,660 --> 00:21:24,248
Is that a problem for you?
271
00:21:25,491 --> 00:21:30,219
Sometimes when he's
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
272
00:21:32,118 --> 00:21:34,396
What do you think of El
as a human being?
273
00:21:34,431 --> 00:21:38,814
Well, see, personally
I'm really fond of him, and...
274
00:21:41,334 --> 00:21:42,853
I don't know,
275
00:21:42,887 --> 00:21:45,752
part of it is because we worked
at the Ivar Theater together
276
00:21:45,787 --> 00:21:48,134
for a long time,
We have memories...
277
00:21:48,168 --> 00:21:51,482
you know, about all the shit
that went down there.
278
00:21:51,517 --> 00:21:53,622
You also are
the Master of Ceremonies
279
00:21:53,657 --> 00:21:56,798
at one of the grimiest places
I know of in Hollywood,
280
00:21:56,832 --> 00:22:01,181
the Ivar Theater,
which features naked dancers.
281
00:22:03,943 --> 00:22:06,808
You worked at the Ivar Theater?
282
00:22:06,842 --> 00:22:07,809
Yeah.
283
00:22:07,843 --> 00:22:09,328
Is that the best job
you ever had?
284
00:22:09,362 --> 00:22:10,708
Yeah.
285
00:22:10,743 --> 00:22:12,503
I worked there
for about eight years,
286
00:22:12,538 --> 00:22:15,299
I got to run the spot light
287
00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:17,888
and play the girls
cassette tapes
288
00:22:17,922 --> 00:22:20,994
and play the porno movies
and announce the girls,
289
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:23,790
all up in the light booth.
290
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,794
Yeah, he was the light man
at the Ivar.
291
00:22:29,037 --> 00:22:30,003
Yeah.
292
00:22:30,038 --> 00:22:32,005
So, he brought Steve by?
293
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,146
No, actually he wanted me
to go dance, do a show
294
00:22:35,181 --> 00:22:38,840
cos the chicks
he had doing his show...
295
00:22:39,979 --> 00:22:42,222
were flaking out.
296
00:22:42,257 --> 00:22:43,465
And I'd listened to his music,
297
00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,156
I thought his music
was really good,
298
00:22:45,191 --> 00:22:48,470
but that wasn't my scene,
I wasn't into going.
299
00:22:48,505 --> 00:22:51,128
But my girlfriend Zylmar says,
300
00:22:51,162 --> 00:22:54,925
"Yeah let's go, let's go."
So I said, "OK."
301
00:22:54,959 --> 00:22:58,446
And then when I started meeting
these other guys, you know.
302
00:22:59,101 --> 00:23:00,068
Yes.
303
00:23:00,102 --> 00:23:02,829
Yes. I'm stripper
at the Ivar Theater,
304
00:23:02,864 --> 00:23:05,314
and I'm damn proud of it, too!
305
00:23:05,349 --> 00:23:07,075
Right on, Duce!
306
00:23:37,036 --> 00:23:40,211
Hey, all you sluts out there,
307
00:23:40,246 --> 00:23:41,972
are tired of hanging out
308
00:23:42,006 --> 00:23:45,907
with a bunch of low-life
glam rock fags?
309
00:23:46,804 --> 00:23:48,461
Why don't you go
for a real man,
310
00:23:48,496 --> 00:23:51,395
a booze-guzzling,
porno-reading man?
311
00:23:52,603 --> 00:23:57,228
Just enter the
Mentors Dream Date Contest,
312
00:23:57,263 --> 00:24:01,474
and you can win a good date
with me, El Duce.
313
00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:06,479
Do what they're doing in these
dirty magazines with me, baby.
314
00:24:06,514 --> 00:24:09,827
How long have you been
El Duce's girlfriend?
315
00:24:09,862 --> 00:24:11,450
Um...
316
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:14,936
About six weeks.
317
00:24:16,351 --> 00:24:18,318
So, how did you run into him?
318
00:24:19,354 --> 00:24:22,115
The first time that I met him,
319
00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:24,324
just hanging out in Hollywood,
320
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,674
just hanging out drinking,
trashing.
321
00:24:28,708 --> 00:24:31,711
Do you remember
the first time you met him?
322
00:24:31,746 --> 00:24:33,989
Yeah. Yeah, I remember.
323
00:24:34,024 --> 00:24:35,474
Saw him on the street.
324
00:24:35,508 --> 00:24:36,923
It was him
and a couple of his friends,
325
00:24:36,958 --> 00:24:38,615
and I was the only girl there,
326
00:24:38,649 --> 00:24:41,687
and they wanted to not hang out
in Hollywood drinking,
327
00:24:41,721 --> 00:24:42,791
cos of the cops,
328
00:24:42,826 --> 00:24:44,931
and they wanted to go
to this one place.
329
00:24:44,966 --> 00:24:46,001
First I was up for it,
330
00:24:46,036 --> 00:24:49,660
and then I started thinking,
"This is El Duce.
331
00:24:49,695 --> 00:24:51,490
"There's three guys
and just one of me."
332
00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:53,906
And I just kind of
blew them off.
333
00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:56,771
I was like, "I forgot
I got something to do."
334
00:24:56,805 --> 00:24:59,256
You know, I thought
something would happen.
335
00:24:59,290 --> 00:25:01,223
What did you hear about him?
336
00:25:02,328 --> 00:25:05,331
Oh, a lot of stories.
337
00:25:05,365 --> 00:25:08,299
You know, El Duce stories,
his reputation.
338
00:25:09,473 --> 00:25:11,786
- Like what?
- About...
339
00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:13,581
About being a big pervert
340
00:25:13,615 --> 00:25:17,446
and stuff he does to girls
and stuff.
341
00:25:17,481 --> 00:25:18,724
You know,
cos this guy said,
342
00:25:18,758 --> 00:25:21,658
"Oh, he'll piss all over you,
he'll rape you,"
343
00:25:21,692 --> 00:25:23,936
this and that, you know,
and I was kind of scared of him.
344
00:25:25,351 --> 00:25:28,803
Do a lot of girls come on
to El Duce at the concerts?
345
00:25:30,252 --> 00:25:31,737
Enough do.
346
00:25:32,841 --> 00:25:34,947
Yeah, I...
347
00:25:34,981 --> 00:25:38,364
I think one is enough,
you know, too much.
348
00:25:38,398 --> 00:25:39,814
Duce say anything to 'em?
349
00:25:39,848 --> 00:25:41,712
Oh, yeah, he loves it.
350
00:25:42,402 --> 00:25:44,266
Does he treat you nicely?
351
00:25:44,301 --> 00:25:46,855
Yeah, he treats me pretty good.
352
00:25:49,375 --> 00:25:52,205
How did you all get together
as Mentors?
353
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,484
Well, The Mentors
got together in Seattle,
354
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,486
and we've been
childhood friends.
355
00:25:57,521 --> 00:26:02,353
I've known El Duce
since we were in 4th grade.
356
00:26:02,388 --> 00:26:04,563
We went to the same
elementary school together,
357
00:26:04,597 --> 00:26:09,084
and then I met Sickie
when we were in 7th grade.
358
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,603
We're all the same age.
359
00:26:15,159 --> 00:26:17,161
1976.
360
00:26:18,784 --> 00:26:21,027
Right when the Sex Pistols
came out.
361
00:26:21,062 --> 00:26:23,409
- Before.
- Before?
362
00:26:25,342 --> 00:26:27,965
First of all, I can't believe
that El Duce is only 32, though.
363
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,519
How old are you going to be
this birthday?
364
00:26:30,554 --> 00:26:35,594
- Same age as Jesus Christ.
- As they were nailing him down.
365
00:26:35,628 --> 00:26:38,597
Hey, if he could be nailed,
I'll be nailed.
366
00:26:38,631 --> 00:26:40,702
If Jesus could take it,
I can take it.
367
00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:43,394
When did you start
playing music?
368
00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:46,708
When I was about
seven years old.
369
00:26:47,675 --> 00:26:49,573
And then I got really
into the drums
370
00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,644
and I'd listen to records
371
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:54,854
that my mom and dad
would play and stuff.
372
00:26:54,889 --> 00:26:57,339
When my dad was drunk
and in a good mood,
373
00:26:57,374 --> 00:26:59,272
trying to fuck my mom,
374
00:26:59,307 --> 00:27:02,448
and they'd put on the Tijuana
Brass or whatever, you know,
375
00:27:02,482 --> 00:27:04,519
and I'd listen to it
and I'd go like, "Wow man,
376
00:27:04,553 --> 00:27:06,728
"I dig that drum sound."
You know.
377
00:27:10,836 --> 00:27:13,010
He started drums very early.
378
00:27:13,045 --> 00:27:16,186
I think he started drum lessons
in 3rd or 4th grade,
379
00:27:16,220 --> 00:27:17,808
and he had so much native talent
380
00:27:17,843 --> 00:27:21,640
that he established himself very
quickly in the drumming classes.
381
00:27:21,674 --> 00:27:24,470
The best student, essentially.
382
00:27:24,504 --> 00:27:27,093
And I think
when he was in 6th grade,
383
00:27:27,128 --> 00:27:30,372
he joined this All City
Youth Orchestra, you know,
384
00:27:30,407 --> 00:27:32,029
which was like
the crème de la crme
385
00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:36,655
of all musicians in Seattle,
you know, the child musicians.
386
00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:39,002
So he played big concerts
at the Symphony Hall
387
00:27:39,036 --> 00:27:40,693
with this youth orchestra.
388
00:27:40,728 --> 00:27:42,557
Then he was later in drum corps,
389
00:27:42,591 --> 00:27:45,698
which is a marching
kind of drum corps thing.
390
00:27:45,733 --> 00:27:47,182
He was always very good
at that.
391
00:27:47,217 --> 00:27:48,977
He could read music very well
392
00:27:49,012 --> 00:27:52,671
and knew his way around
the drums perfectly.
393
00:27:52,705 --> 00:27:56,295
What really motivated me
was Jimmy Hendrix Experience.
394
00:27:56,329 --> 00:27:58,297
I wanted to play drums
like Mitch Mitchell.
395
00:28:01,438 --> 00:28:03,095
Then I got a hip to The Who
396
00:28:03,129 --> 00:28:05,545
and I wanted to play
like Keith Moon.
397
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,967
And then I got into
jazz fusion music.
398
00:28:13,001 --> 00:28:16,142
Then I wanted to play
like Billy Cobham.
399
00:28:16,902 --> 00:28:18,938
And then as time marched by,
400
00:28:18,973 --> 00:28:21,354
I just kind of combined
all those styles,
401
00:28:21,389 --> 00:28:22,701
all into my own style.
402
00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:38,751
He was into sort of funk and
jazz rock and stuff like that
403
00:28:38,786 --> 00:28:39,994
which we were into, too,
404
00:28:40,028 --> 00:28:41,409
like Mahavishnu Orchestra
405
00:28:41,443 --> 00:28:43,929
and Chick Corea,
"Return to Forever",
406
00:28:43,963 --> 00:28:45,516
and all that kind of
fusion jazz rock
407
00:28:45,551 --> 00:28:46,966
that was going on at the time.
408
00:28:54,008 --> 00:28:55,423
If you were into this kind of
409
00:28:55,457 --> 00:28:58,046
advanced Jazz fusion
type of music
410
00:28:58,081 --> 00:29:00,739
that not many people were
playing, kids your age anyway,
411
00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:06,296
how did you end up in sort of
the punk rock and metal areas?
412
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:09,748
Well, I guess in a way it was
sort of a conscious sell-out.
413
00:29:10,887 --> 00:29:12,578
We were so into
this fusion thing
414
00:29:12,612 --> 00:29:14,131
and we tried to play fusion,
415
00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:15,961
we worked up
a lot of these original songs
416
00:29:15,995 --> 00:29:19,930
in the band before The Mentors,
the Eldon Hoke Band,
417
00:29:19,965 --> 00:29:22,588
we played exclusively
instrumental fusion.
418
00:29:22,622 --> 00:29:24,210
But there was just
nowhere to play it.
419
00:29:24,245 --> 00:29:25,694
There was one club I remember
420
00:29:25,729 --> 00:29:28,456
that they advertised that
they wanted that kind of stuff,
421
00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:30,182
and we went in there
and tried to get a gig there.
422
00:29:30,216 --> 00:29:32,736
They wouldn't let us play there.
It just was going nowhere,
423
00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:35,808
so it was sort of
the kind of thing that we...
424
00:29:35,843 --> 00:29:39,018
I guess you'd consider it
a conscious sell-out.
425
00:29:39,053 --> 00:29:42,711
Well, see, no one really
understood our fusion music,
426
00:29:42,746 --> 00:29:46,577
so I said, "We got to
entertain these clowns,
427
00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:49,684
"so let's sing
some dirty lyrics.
428
00:29:49,718 --> 00:29:51,513
"Throw them in there."
429
00:29:51,548 --> 00:29:55,655
So we went from jazz fusion...
430
00:29:57,278 --> 00:29:59,004
to perversion,
431
00:29:59,038 --> 00:30:01,765
and then we just broke it down
into easy rock
432
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,285
that they could understand.
433
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:06,528
- Punk rock.
- Yeah, punk rock.
434
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:53,679
The Dean of Students
at Roosevelt High school.
435
00:30:54,887 --> 00:30:57,131
I used to cause
a lot of vandalism,
436
00:30:57,165 --> 00:30:59,133
cos I hated everybody.
437
00:30:59,167 --> 00:31:03,033
I used to blow up toilets
with M-80s, and...
438
00:31:03,068 --> 00:31:09,557
you know, write dirty drawings
all over the walls and shoplift.
439
00:31:09,591 --> 00:31:13,319
I did everything, and set fires,
I did all kinds of shit.
440
00:31:13,354 --> 00:31:18,117
Anything that raised hell,
I would do it.
441
00:31:18,152 --> 00:31:21,396
You know,
I used to urinate in jars
442
00:31:21,431 --> 00:31:24,434
and pour them on the radiators
in the morning
443
00:31:24,468 --> 00:31:26,194
because it was freezing cold
in Seattle,
444
00:31:26,229 --> 00:31:30,647
like it was 40 degrees outside,
you're freezing cold.
445
00:31:30,681 --> 00:31:33,201
You come into the school,
you want to warm up,
446
00:31:33,236 --> 00:31:39,276
and here is a radiator with
urine smell pouring off of it.
447
00:31:39,311 --> 00:31:43,971
I used to shit in foil
and stack it in the freezer
448
00:31:44,005 --> 00:31:46,697
and I'd take it to school,
let it thaw out,
449
00:31:46,732 --> 00:31:49,528
and then I'd smear it
all over the door knobs
450
00:31:49,562 --> 00:31:52,013
of all the classrooms,
451
00:31:52,048 --> 00:31:53,428
and vomit.
452
00:31:53,463 --> 00:31:55,810
I did all kinds of sick shit.
453
00:31:55,844 --> 00:32:00,366
I could go on for hours telling
you all the sick shit I did.
454
00:32:00,401 --> 00:32:04,163
But I was just the number one
nuisance to the school.
455
00:32:04,198 --> 00:32:10,031
So finally I'm in this
language arts class,
456
00:32:10,066 --> 00:32:12,102
and the teacher gets this call,
457
00:32:12,137 --> 00:32:17,211
"Will you send El Duce down
to the Dean of Students?"
458
00:32:17,245 --> 00:32:19,489
Oh, no!
459
00:32:19,523 --> 00:32:23,355
Some dipshit finked me off.
460
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:25,667
So I go down there,
461
00:32:25,702 --> 00:32:30,017
and sure enough these two idiots
that were working for me...
462
00:32:31,156 --> 00:32:34,469
So I go in there,
acting all smooth and shit,
463
00:32:34,504 --> 00:32:36,368
and I sit down,
the Dean of Students goes,
464
00:32:36,402 --> 00:32:38,853
"Alright, El Duce...
465
00:32:40,372 --> 00:32:43,685
"I have had reports that you are
the one behind everything.
466
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,377
"You're the mentor."
467
00:32:45,411 --> 00:32:46,481
And I go, "What?"
468
00:32:46,516 --> 00:32:49,795
He goes, "You're
the mentor behind it all."
469
00:32:49,829 --> 00:32:52,522
I just drilled it in my head
and I go, "Mentor?
470
00:32:52,556 --> 00:32:53,592
"What do you mean, mentor?"
471
00:32:53,626 --> 00:32:55,456
And he goes, "Look it up
here in the dictionary."
472
00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:57,906
And he throws the dictionary
and he goes, "See that?
473
00:32:57,941 --> 00:32:59,736
"Read that to me."
474
00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:04,016
And I go, "Mentor, the one
that everybody looks up to..."
475
00:33:04,051 --> 00:33:06,087
"You are the one
who instructed all these guys
476
00:33:06,122 --> 00:33:09,884
"to shit and piss and throw
garbage all over the school,
477
00:33:09,918 --> 00:33:11,610
"because you are the mentor."
478
00:33:11,644 --> 00:33:14,785
And he threw this big fit
about me being the mentor.
479
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:17,133
So I just said, "Fine,
that's the name of the band,
480
00:33:17,167 --> 00:33:20,791
"it's got to be The Mentors."
481
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,010
Rockin' and a rollin'
all the way
482
00:33:39,086 --> 00:33:41,812
Do you guys fight a lot
in the band?
483
00:33:41,847 --> 00:33:44,746
Um, me and Steve don't,
484
00:33:44,781 --> 00:33:47,646
but Sickie throws in the wrench
every time he can.
485
00:33:55,688 --> 00:33:58,622
Boy, maybe you should
write down some questions.
486
00:33:58,657 --> 00:34:01,108
Me and Sickie
bicker probably the worst.
487
00:34:01,142 --> 00:34:02,523
What do you bicker about?
488
00:34:02,557 --> 00:34:04,835
Little petty ass things,
489
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:06,975
the more pettier,
the more we bicker.
490
00:34:07,010 --> 00:34:08,874
Do you fight about the music?
491
00:34:08,908 --> 00:34:12,084
No, we fight about
whose beer is whose.
492
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,087
- No, I said Miller's Special.
- You owe me five bucks.
493
00:34:15,122 --> 00:34:17,089
How do I owe you five bucks?
494
00:34:17,124 --> 00:34:19,229
Because I loaned you
the money to get it.
495
00:34:21,369 --> 00:34:23,095
Wow, Miller's on sale.
496
00:34:28,652 --> 00:34:30,792
Do you have a car?
Yeah, you came out in a car.
497
00:34:30,827 --> 00:34:32,863
After the gig,
498
00:34:32,898 --> 00:34:36,591
while Broy's waiting around
getting paid, we can trunk up,
499
00:34:36,626 --> 00:34:38,317
so we just better get the six.
500
00:34:39,629 --> 00:34:41,803
Miller in cans,
I hate that shit.
501
00:34:46,739 --> 00:34:48,500
You owe me five bucks.
502
00:34:48,534 --> 00:34:49,811
How do I owe you five?
503
00:34:49,846 --> 00:34:52,366
Because I paid
for the fucking beer,
504
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,643
and you owe me two beers
505
00:34:53,677 --> 00:34:56,197
and you wanted me
to loan you the money.
506
00:34:56,232 --> 00:34:58,130
Broy owes you the money,
he couldn't pay you,
507
00:34:58,165 --> 00:35:00,788
so I gave you five bucks
out of that.
508
00:35:00,822 --> 00:35:02,169
Duh.
509
00:35:04,757 --> 00:35:06,621
Just take five dollars' worth.
510
00:35:06,656 --> 00:35:08,071
Yeah...
511
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,763
- I want my $5 back.
- That's the whole thing...
512
00:35:10,798 --> 00:35:13,387
I loaned you five dollars
so he could get some beer.
513
00:35:13,421 --> 00:35:15,734
- Right.
- Right, so you owe me 5 bucks.
514
00:35:15,768 --> 00:35:17,149
No, you get your two beers.
515
00:35:17,184 --> 00:35:18,495
No, you owe me five dollars.
516
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:20,221
I owe you five bucks
but if you want to get...
517
00:35:20,256 --> 00:35:22,361
And two beers!
518
00:35:22,396 --> 00:35:23,776
Five dollars and two beers.
519
00:35:23,811 --> 00:35:25,123
It's not that hard
to figure it out.
520
00:35:25,157 --> 00:35:29,057
We've got this one clown,
Ed Danky, in our band
521
00:35:29,092 --> 00:35:31,750
that's sort of in the band
and sort of not in the band.
522
00:35:31,784 --> 00:35:35,340
I think Mr. Danky
has something to say.
523
00:35:35,374 --> 00:35:36,582
We're over here,
524
00:35:36,617 --> 00:35:40,414
and this is Sneaky Spermshooter
down here on the ground.
525
00:35:40,448 --> 00:35:42,416
- Time to rock.
- It's time to rock?
526
00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:44,176
We're ready to blow.
527
00:35:44,211 --> 00:35:47,490
- Ready to blow?
- Yeah, heavy rock is coming up.
528
00:35:47,524 --> 00:35:49,664
He doesn't believe
in the Four F club,
529
00:35:49,699 --> 00:35:52,184
and, you know, it doesn't work.
530
00:35:52,219 --> 00:35:54,600
How long have you known El Duce?
531
00:35:54,635 --> 00:36:00,744
Oh, I've known the scum bag
about, oh, 10 grueling years.
532
00:36:00,779 --> 00:36:03,989
In what capacity
have you worked with him?
533
00:36:04,023 --> 00:36:07,095
I do a little background vocals
for them sometimes,
534
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:10,651
and I jam with the guys
all the time, and you know,
535
00:36:10,685 --> 00:36:14,172
I guess I'm like the
Billy Preston of The Mentors.
536
00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:17,899
I remember you at that bar
when you saw that.
537
00:36:17,934 --> 00:36:20,247
I saw this,
and I went apeshit.
538
00:36:20,281 --> 00:36:24,009
A lot of the songs
are sex oriented.
539
00:36:24,043 --> 00:36:25,217
Were they back then?
540
00:36:26,114 --> 00:36:27,392
Uh, yeah.
541
00:36:27,426 --> 00:36:30,395
Yeah, we kind of hit upon that
as a gimmick.
542
00:36:30,429 --> 00:36:31,706
See, El Duce was...
543
00:36:31,741 --> 00:36:35,158
The one thing
he was known for
544
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:38,368
when we going
to junior high was,
545
00:36:38,403 --> 00:36:41,544
he was known as the guy
who had all the pornography.
546
00:36:41,578 --> 00:36:44,547
His dad was a porno collector,
547
00:36:44,581 --> 00:36:48,206
and his dad tried to hide
this porno from El Duce.
548
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,310
He had this little work room
549
00:36:49,345 --> 00:36:50,829
that was all locked up
in the basement,
550
00:36:50,863 --> 00:36:52,279
but El Duce knew
how to pick the lock,
551
00:36:52,313 --> 00:36:54,488
and he'd go down there while his
dad and mum were off at work,
552
00:36:54,522 --> 00:36:55,868
and he'd have his buddies
come over
553
00:36:55,903 --> 00:36:57,353
and he'd show them all the porn,
554
00:36:57,387 --> 00:36:59,182
and he'd give
some of the magazines away.
555
00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:00,908
So, El Duce
had a real reputation
556
00:37:00,942 --> 00:37:02,737
as being sort of porn-meister.
557
00:37:02,772 --> 00:37:05,361
And El Duce would do
this drum solo
558
00:37:05,395 --> 00:37:06,948
with these dildos he bought,
559
00:37:06,983 --> 00:37:09,296
these, you know, like,
about 14 inch dildos
560
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:12,678
he bought down
at the porno store,
561
00:37:12,713 --> 00:37:16,199
and it was just a big gimmick
thing, you know, I guess.
562
00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:17,890
I don't know
if we thought of it like that,
563
00:37:17,925 --> 00:37:19,754
but that was basically
how it wound up.
564
00:37:36,737 --> 00:37:38,704
Not all of our stuff
is pornographic.
565
00:37:38,739 --> 00:37:41,466
I mean if you listen to it
carefully,
566
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,502
you know,
the total catalogue,
567
00:37:43,537 --> 00:37:45,470
now I haven't tabulated it all,
568
00:37:45,504 --> 00:37:50,889
but I'd say maybe 50% is not
wholly concerned with sex.
569
00:37:50,923 --> 00:37:52,787
First thing we do
when we wake up in the morning
570
00:37:52,822 --> 00:37:54,548
- is take a shower...
- No.
571
00:37:54,582 --> 00:37:57,309
- ...and put on a fresh hood.
- Jack off!
572
00:37:58,862 --> 00:38:00,519
This hood smells
like Sickie, though.
573
00:38:00,554 --> 00:38:02,280
- I know.
- Disgusting.
574
00:38:02,314 --> 00:38:04,454
That's what you get
for putting on his hood.
575
00:38:04,489 --> 00:38:06,111
It's not a fresh hood.
576
00:38:06,145 --> 00:38:07,423
Why the hoods?
577
00:38:07,457 --> 00:38:08,907
That was El Duce's idea.
578
00:38:08,941 --> 00:38:11,772
He had this idea when we
put together The Mentors,
579
00:38:11,806 --> 00:38:13,532
that they'd have
this very strong image.
580
00:38:13,567 --> 00:38:15,603
I saw it
in the horror films
581
00:38:15,638 --> 00:38:18,537
and I go, "That's what we'll do,
we'll all wear execution hoods."
582
00:38:18,572 --> 00:38:22,748
You see,
I saw KISS do their thing.
583
00:38:22,783 --> 00:38:26,304
I go, "We got to be
as outrageous as KISS."
584
00:38:26,338 --> 00:38:30,722
El Duce told me that
he scheduled their first tour
585
00:38:30,756 --> 00:38:34,622
by calling around people
and telling them
586
00:38:34,657 --> 00:38:41,595
that he had the most incredible
KISS cover band that there was,
587
00:38:41,629 --> 00:38:44,874
and then he took
just the KISS album,
588
00:38:44,908 --> 00:38:48,291
like, he taped a compilation
of KISS records
589
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:51,570
and sent them as a demo tape
out to people,
590
00:38:51,605 --> 00:38:54,780
and then, like... You know,
that was his press kit,
591
00:38:54,815 --> 00:38:57,127
it was this demo tape that was
just KISS, and he's like,
592
00:38:57,162 --> 00:38:59,820
"We're one of the most
incredible KISS simulation
593
00:38:59,854 --> 00:39:01,373
"that has ever been,"
594
00:39:01,408 --> 00:39:04,134
- and then they show up and...
- Play El Duce!
595
00:39:04,169 --> 00:39:06,205
...and they're the fucking...
they're The Mentors.
596
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:23,982
How do you describe
Mentors music?
597
00:39:24,016 --> 00:39:25,155
What is it to you?
598
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:28,918
Uh, male chauvinism rock.
599
00:39:51,458 --> 00:39:54,840
don't go their way
600
00:39:57,049 --> 00:40:00,846
for their pay
601
00:40:13,065 --> 00:40:15,896
Do you think Mentors music
is a joke?
602
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:18,968
No it's a form of life.
603
00:40:19,002 --> 00:40:23,248
I just speak about what's
on my mind and what I believe.
604
00:40:23,282 --> 00:40:26,251
So when did the ideology
emerge in him?
605
00:40:27,494 --> 00:40:29,634
Uh, the whole...
606
00:40:29,668 --> 00:40:32,637
become fully flowered you mean?
607
00:40:32,671 --> 00:40:34,846
It was probably after
The Mentors had been together
608
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,850
for about two or three years,
when it really...
609
00:40:38,884 --> 00:40:41,266
you know, became very monolithic
like that.
610
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:44,165
It was just
sort of a slow evolution.
611
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,927
- What about "Golden Showers"?
- Oh, yeah.
612
00:40:46,961 --> 00:40:50,482
See, I caught this one girl
cheating on me.
613
00:40:50,517 --> 00:40:52,726
She goes, "He was so cute,
can you blame me?"
614
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,072
and I go, "Yeah, I can."
615
00:40:54,106 --> 00:40:55,936
"I'm going to have to give you
the treatment."
616
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:59,180
She goes, "Whatever you want,
I love you...
617
00:40:59,215 --> 00:41:01,424
"Oh, I love you."
618
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:04,392
I said, "All right,
prove your love."
619
00:41:32,075 --> 00:41:34,112
Now Mr. Chairman,
one point we've already made,
620
00:41:34,146 --> 00:41:35,976
the material which has caused
the concern
621
00:41:36,010 --> 00:41:37,046
is new and different.
622
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,599
It's not just a continuation
623
00:41:38,634 --> 00:41:41,119
of controversies
of past generations.
624
00:41:41,153 --> 00:41:42,638
To illustrate this point,
625
00:41:42,672 --> 00:41:45,848
we would like to show
a slide presentation.
626
00:41:45,882 --> 00:41:47,677
The purpose of this presentation
is to acquaint you
627
00:41:47,712 --> 00:41:49,990
with the type of material
that is in question.
628
00:41:50,024 --> 00:41:52,613
I will be covering the themes
of violence and sexuality.
629
00:41:52,648 --> 00:41:55,271
Bear in mind that what you are
about to see and hear
630
00:41:55,305 --> 00:41:56,755
is a small sample
631
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:58,895
of the abundant material
available today.
632
00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:02,174
Ozzy Osborne, on his first
solo album shown here,
633
00:42:02,209 --> 00:42:04,245
sings a song called
"Suicide Solution".
634
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,385
Ozzy insists
that he in no way
635
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:09,043
encourages suicidal behavior
in young people,
636
00:42:09,078 --> 00:42:12,012
and yet he appears
in photographs such as these.
637
00:42:14,635 --> 00:42:16,982
For those of you who can't make
that out because of the lights,
638
00:42:17,017 --> 00:42:20,330
it's a picture of Ozzy with a
gun barrel stuck into his mouth.
639
00:42:44,354 --> 00:42:46,184
My apologies.
640
00:42:46,218 --> 00:42:48,635
How bad can it get?
The list is endless.
641
00:42:48,669 --> 00:42:51,258
This album was released
just recently
642
00:42:51,292 --> 00:42:53,950
by a band called The Mentors.
643
00:42:53,985 --> 00:42:57,229
It was released on the label
Enigma Records,
644
00:42:57,264 --> 00:43:00,819
which also launched
Motley Crue's career.
645
00:43:00,854 --> 00:43:02,372
The album includes songs like
646
00:43:02,407 --> 00:43:05,513
"Four F Club: Find Her, Feel
Her, Fuck Her And Forget Her",
647
00:43:05,548 --> 00:43:06,963
"Free Fix For A Fuck",
648
00:43:06,998 --> 00:43:09,345
"Clap Queen",
"My Erection is Over",
649
00:43:09,379 --> 00:43:12,348
and the song "Golden Showers"
which says these words,
650
00:43:12,382 --> 00:43:14,902
"Listen you little slut,
do as you're told,
651
00:43:14,937 --> 00:43:17,215
"come with Daddy
for me to pour the gold.
652
00:43:17,249 --> 00:43:20,632
"Golden showers, all through
my excrements you shall roam,
653
00:43:20,667 --> 00:43:22,841
"bend up and smell
my anal vapor,
654
00:43:22,876 --> 00:43:24,878
"your face is my toilet paper,
655
00:43:24,912 --> 00:43:27,328
"on your face
I leave a shit tower,
656
00:43:27,363 --> 00:43:29,192
"golden showers."
657
00:43:29,227 --> 00:43:31,298
Mr. Chairman that concludes
my remarks, I thank you.
658
00:43:31,332 --> 00:43:33,956
I'm sorry
your time has expired.
659
00:43:35,992 --> 00:43:38,305
Thanks to the PMRC,
660
00:43:38,339 --> 00:43:41,239
we tripled our sales,
661
00:43:41,273 --> 00:43:43,724
we're like a nothing band
for a while,
662
00:43:43,759 --> 00:43:47,176
then the PMRC came up there
and bitched about us,
663
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:49,040
next thing you know
our records skyrocketed.
664
00:43:49,074 --> 00:43:51,421
It's all just bullshit.
665
00:43:51,456 --> 00:43:55,046
I mean, he's successful
because he gets a reaction.
666
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,600
It's like there's a need
for that in society,
667
00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:00,292
otherwise it's just
boring and dull.
668
00:44:00,327 --> 00:44:03,019
I mean, people...
you know, they get all upset
669
00:44:03,054 --> 00:44:04,227
and they go to the Senate,
670
00:44:04,262 --> 00:44:06,402
and they do all this protesting
and all that stuff
671
00:44:06,436 --> 00:44:08,266
that just hypes his trip.
672
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,819
The records
start selling more,
673
00:44:09,854 --> 00:44:11,338
and I mean,
mean they're doing the...
674
00:44:11,372 --> 00:44:13,236
They're giving him
just what he wants.
675
00:44:13,271 --> 00:44:15,342
And I got to give him
a lot of credit.
676
00:44:15,376 --> 00:44:16,930
Man, he gets away with it.
677
00:44:16,964 --> 00:44:20,174
He's exactly...
he's a total success in himself.
678
00:44:31,807 --> 00:44:32,842
El Duce!
679
00:44:45,441 --> 00:44:48,824
What kind of clubs were you
playing before the PMRC?
680
00:44:51,758 --> 00:44:53,829
Holes in the wall, dives,
681
00:44:53,863 --> 00:44:56,003
somebody's backyard,
682
00:44:56,038 --> 00:44:58,178
but when the PMRC...
683
00:45:00,628 --> 00:45:02,113
When they snapped into action,
684
00:45:02,147 --> 00:45:05,150
man, we started playing
big halls, auditoriums.
685
00:45:05,185 --> 00:45:08,982
and smell my anal vapor
686
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:19,751
What kind of bands
did you play with?
687
00:45:19,786 --> 00:45:21,235
Well, we started off playing
688
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:24,549
with just everybody's local
brother's band, you know.
689
00:45:24,583 --> 00:45:27,794
and then once the PMRC
kicked into action,
690
00:45:27,828 --> 00:45:29,934
we started playing
with big groups,
691
00:45:29,968 --> 00:45:35,318
like Metal Church, Montrose,
Ronnie Montrose, Plasmatics.
692
00:45:35,353 --> 00:45:38,183
Probably the biggest bands
we played with is, like, Fear
693
00:45:38,218 --> 00:45:40,358
and Killing Joke, Black Flag.
694
00:45:40,392 --> 00:45:44,742
What's the best road experience
you ever had with The Mentors?
695
00:45:44,776 --> 00:45:47,123
Probably with Saint Vitus.
696
00:45:48,815 --> 00:45:52,888
I got laid about seven times
on that tour.
697
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,775
If you just look at LA,
you know, the past few years,
698
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:20,191
there's a huge explosion
of metal bands
699
00:46:20,225 --> 00:46:22,365
that are coming out
and being very popular,
700
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,955
Poison and you know,
whomever else, Warrant.
701
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:30,028
But I think these guys
are extremely calculated.
702
00:46:30,063 --> 00:46:33,100
First of all, they're part of
a very big money making machine.
703
00:46:33,135 --> 00:46:35,447
Any time you're in that...
your league,
704
00:46:35,482 --> 00:46:37,346
you're talking
to a big conglomerate
705
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:39,658
putting a lot of money
into you,
706
00:46:39,693 --> 00:46:41,419
expecting you to behave
professionally
707
00:46:41,453 --> 00:46:43,076
as far as not blowing shows,
708
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:45,181
you know, showing up on time,
709
00:46:45,216 --> 00:46:47,770
producing a record on time,
things of that nature.
710
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:51,601
This band, you know, Mentors
is not set up for that at all.
711
00:46:51,636 --> 00:46:56,192
I'm not sure if people will
listen to us in 100 years.
712
00:46:57,849 --> 00:46:59,264
I think they might...
713
00:47:01,163 --> 00:47:03,475
as opposed to a band
that's somewhat disposable,
714
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:05,926
enjoyable music,
quality music,
715
00:47:05,961 --> 00:47:10,034
but yet easily replaced.
716
00:47:10,068 --> 00:47:12,622
So you see Mentor's music
as what?
717
00:47:12,657 --> 00:47:14,866
As art,
I would consider it art
718
00:47:14,901 --> 00:47:19,284
to the extent where
most music that's sold
719
00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:20,527
is less art,
720
00:47:20,561 --> 00:47:22,805
and more of it just product,
it's a commercial product.
721
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,014
What constitutes art to you?
722
00:47:26,705 --> 00:47:30,744
I think art has got...
723
00:47:30,778 --> 00:47:34,058
True art is something
that is independent of time.
724
00:47:36,405 --> 00:47:37,785
Uh...
725
00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:42,135
I would say it deals
with lasting human themes
726
00:47:42,169 --> 00:47:47,278
that are, again,
time-independent to an extent.
727
00:47:47,312 --> 00:47:49,625
They sign a lot
of these glam rock bands,
728
00:47:49,659 --> 00:47:51,247
tens of thousands of these bands
729
00:47:51,282 --> 00:47:54,802
and all look the same,
all sound the same,
730
00:47:54,837 --> 00:47:56,943
you can't tell one band
from the other.
731
00:47:56,977 --> 00:47:59,393
but you could always tell
The Mentors,
732
00:47:59,428 --> 00:48:01,050
cos we stand out.
733
00:48:01,085 --> 00:48:04,329
We're tired of sissy groups
like Motley Crue
734
00:48:04,364 --> 00:48:06,642
and all this sissy stuff.
735
00:48:06,676 --> 00:48:07,815
We want rape rock.
736
00:48:07,850 --> 00:48:10,508
Sneaky, what do you think
of the Beatles?
737
00:48:10,542 --> 00:48:13,131
- Who?
- The Beatles.
738
00:48:13,166 --> 00:48:14,201
They don't rock.
739
00:48:27,283 --> 00:48:30,804
They could say, "Bon Jovi
is really on an up move,"
740
00:48:30,838 --> 00:48:31,909
you know whatever,
741
00:48:31,943 --> 00:48:34,532
I don't care
if he goes up or down.
742
00:48:34,566 --> 00:48:38,329
I've got my lyrics,
and if they don't like it,
743
00:48:38,363 --> 00:48:40,987
they can eat shit out of my ass.
744
00:48:41,021 --> 00:48:43,575
I want to ask you something.
745
00:48:43,610 --> 00:48:46,164
What does your mother
think about you? Huh?
746
00:48:47,717 --> 00:48:50,272
Was El Duce...
747
00:48:50,306 --> 00:48:53,827
Early on was he a sort of
a teddy bear of a guy
748
00:48:53,861 --> 00:48:56,416
or was he mean,
was he good? Was he...
749
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:57,555
I mean,
he was obviously your friend.
750
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:58,866
Yeah.
751
00:48:58,901 --> 00:49:00,420
Um...
752
00:49:00,454 --> 00:49:03,216
I wouldn't call him
Mr. Nice guy.
753
00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:05,977
He had a lot of weird aspects
to his personality.
754
00:49:06,012 --> 00:49:07,461
He was...
755
00:49:08,428 --> 00:49:11,362
See, he was from
a family of four, OK?
756
00:49:11,396 --> 00:49:12,777
As far as other kids.
757
00:49:12,811 --> 00:49:16,988
He had two sisters
and one brother.
758
00:49:17,023 --> 00:49:21,096
Now, one brother and one sister
were older than he was,
759
00:49:21,130 --> 00:49:22,994
and they were
very good students,
760
00:49:23,029 --> 00:49:25,963
and his father is... or was
761
00:49:25,997 --> 00:49:30,691
a highly paid, high-up in the
bureaucracy, engineer at Boeing.
762
00:49:30,726 --> 00:49:32,659
He was an aeronautical engineer.
763
00:49:32,693 --> 00:49:35,006
And so there was a certain
amount of expectation
764
00:49:35,041 --> 00:49:36,766
put on El Duce
765
00:49:36,801 --> 00:49:39,010
to follow in the good
student footsteps
766
00:49:39,045 --> 00:49:40,598
of these two elder siblings.
767
00:49:40,632 --> 00:49:44,774
But he just wasn't cut out
for that kind of thing and he...
768
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:46,638
You know,
I think a couple of times
769
00:49:46,673 --> 00:49:48,330
he almost got put back a grade,
770
00:49:48,364 --> 00:49:52,886
and that kind of scarred his
personality to a certain extent.
771
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,301
Was, um...
772
00:49:54,336 --> 00:49:57,304
As a kid or a teenager
was El Duce lazy?
773
00:49:57,339 --> 00:49:58,650
Extremely.
774
00:49:59,651 --> 00:50:01,515
Extremely lazy.
775
00:50:02,723 --> 00:50:04,484
Did he... Was he...
776
00:50:04,518 --> 00:50:06,658
Always since birth.
777
00:50:06,693 --> 00:50:09,558
- Dramatically different than...
- Since birth he was...
778
00:50:09,592 --> 00:50:12,319
And he's one of those people
that work harder at not working.
779
00:50:12,354 --> 00:50:14,218
Like if he would...
You know what I'm saying?
780
00:50:14,252 --> 00:50:16,841
All these lengths to avoid
doing the simple task,
781
00:50:16,875 --> 00:50:18,636
if he would have done
the simple task,
782
00:50:18,670 --> 00:50:20,500
he wouldn't have to go
to all this other bullshit,
783
00:50:20,534 --> 00:50:22,088
you know what I mean?
784
00:50:22,122 --> 00:50:23,261
Does that make sense?
785
00:50:23,296 --> 00:50:26,575
Now, I don't give a damn
about books...
786
00:50:27,921 --> 00:50:31,028
because I don't care what year
George Washington flipped a coin
787
00:50:31,062 --> 00:50:33,996
across the Delaware River
or whatever,
788
00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:37,965
I'll find that out later,
when I'm damn well ready.
789
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,175
So how did he become
such a good drummer?
790
00:50:40,209 --> 00:50:43,868
It was the one thing that he
clung on too that he couldn't...
791
00:50:43,902 --> 00:50:46,215
I think also he could take out
a lot of anger on those drums.
792
00:50:47,147 --> 00:50:48,700
A lot of anger
towards my father.
793
00:50:48,735 --> 00:50:50,495
You know what?
794
00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:54,913
That's me as little bastard
right there.
795
00:50:54,948 --> 00:50:59,021
I'm going like,
"Who's going to fuck up my life,
796
00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:01,851
"then make me the weirdo
that I is right now?"
797
00:51:01,886 --> 00:51:03,094
Right? Tells myself,
798
00:51:03,129 --> 00:51:05,372
"I ain't fucked up,
I ain't weird, I ain't nothing."
799
00:51:05,407 --> 00:51:07,443
What's your family like?
800
00:51:08,686 --> 00:51:10,377
Square.
801
00:51:10,412 --> 00:51:12,931
My dad designed bombs.
802
00:51:16,659 --> 00:51:19,283
He designed
part of the Apollo 11...
803
00:51:21,354 --> 00:51:23,080
that landed on the moon.
804
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:26,290
What about your mother?
805
00:51:26,324 --> 00:51:29,224
She was a secretary.
806
00:51:29,258 --> 00:51:31,295
What was your childhood like,
growing up?
807
00:51:31,329 --> 00:51:34,021
Oh, my dad
beat me all the time.
808
00:51:34,056 --> 00:51:35,954
He got a thrill out of it, boy.
809
00:51:35,989 --> 00:51:38,474
His eyes would light up
when he cracked that whip.
810
00:51:38,509 --> 00:51:40,338
Bam!
811
00:51:41,132 --> 00:51:43,548
And I'd go like, "Yow!"
812
00:51:43,583 --> 00:51:47,242
The more I yelled,
the more he got a turn-on.
813
00:51:47,276 --> 00:51:48,864
And your mother?
814
00:51:48,898 --> 00:51:51,384
Well, she just closed her ears
and closed her eyes and said,
815
00:51:51,418 --> 00:51:54,145
"It's not real, it's not real."
816
00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:55,940
I said, "It is real."
817
00:51:57,321 --> 00:52:00,151
And I started the ball rolling
with my dad,
818
00:52:00,186 --> 00:52:04,259
because of my grade card.
819
00:52:05,674 --> 00:52:11,783
I got nothing but flunks
and bad grades when I was a kid.
820
00:52:13,233 --> 00:52:14,372
He goes,
821
00:52:14,407 --> 00:52:16,271
"Why aren't you as smart
as your brother and sister?"
822
00:52:16,305 --> 00:52:19,066
And I said,
"Well, because I'm smarter.
823
00:52:19,101 --> 00:52:20,930
"I do not submit."
824
00:52:22,277 --> 00:52:24,141
I mean, that's what
I was thinking on my head.
825
00:52:24,175 --> 00:52:27,213
I didn't tell my dad that,
but that's what I was thinking.
826
00:52:27,247 --> 00:52:30,008
I do not submit to people
that order me around.
827
00:52:30,043 --> 00:52:32,010
He says his dad...
828
00:52:32,045 --> 00:52:34,081
he says your dad beat him
when he was a kid.
829
00:52:34,116 --> 00:52:35,911
Were you aware of that?
830
00:52:35,945 --> 00:52:38,638
He spanked him really hard
with a paddle, yeah.
831
00:52:38,672 --> 00:52:39,742
He did that to me, too.
832
00:52:39,777 --> 00:52:43,021
We feared our father
like Hitler.
833
00:52:43,056 --> 00:52:44,609
We did not...
we didn't respect him.
834
00:52:44,644 --> 00:52:47,371
It wasn't healthy respect,
it was downright fear.
835
00:52:47,405 --> 00:52:51,340
I mean, this is what my dad
used to do there.
836
00:52:51,375 --> 00:52:56,173
He drilled holes like that big
around in his paddle...
837
00:52:57,622 --> 00:53:00,107
to get a good swing on it.
838
00:53:00,142 --> 00:53:02,317
Bam! And crack my ass.
839
00:53:02,351 --> 00:53:07,045
He'd beat me an average
of about twice a week
840
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,049
for not doing this,
not mowing the lawn right,
841
00:53:11,084 --> 00:53:13,604
this or that,
I'm a retarded person, you know,
842
00:53:13,638 --> 00:53:16,814
any excuse he could find
to beat me, he would beat me.
843
00:53:16,848 --> 00:53:19,230
Do you think your dad
feels responsible in some way?
844
00:53:19,265 --> 00:53:21,025
No.
845
00:53:21,059 --> 00:53:26,410
I think he absolved himself
of all of it.
846
00:53:26,444 --> 00:53:29,413
Because, you know,
my dad's a sicko.
847
00:53:29,447 --> 00:53:35,384
He designed bombs
for the Vietnam War
848
00:53:35,419 --> 00:53:38,180
that tortured and killed people.
849
00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:42,184
He helped design, what they
called a Bouncing Napalm Bomb,
850
00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:45,256
which is a spinning bomb.
851
00:53:45,291 --> 00:53:47,085
They shoot it out of B52,
852
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,434
and it goes down
right through the tree line,
853
00:53:50,468 --> 00:53:54,403
and it spins and drops off
canisters of napalm.
854
00:53:54,438 --> 00:53:57,130
So for a five mile stretch,
855
00:53:57,164 --> 00:53:59,615
it blows like in
"Apocalypse Now".
856
00:53:59,650 --> 00:54:02,894
My dad designed
that motherfucker.
857
00:54:02,929 --> 00:54:05,138
El's just like, you know...
858
00:54:06,312 --> 00:54:09,211
He's everything that is
my dad's worst nightmare,
859
00:54:09,246 --> 00:54:11,834
and that's kind of great, too.
860
00:54:11,869 --> 00:54:15,286
My dad needs that karma.
861
00:54:15,321 --> 00:54:17,012
He does.
862
00:54:22,224 --> 00:54:26,884
My dad is demented,
sick, warped and retarded.
863
00:54:26,918 --> 00:54:28,644
I'm normal.
864
00:54:30,543 --> 00:54:32,441
So, you do love your family?
865
00:54:32,476 --> 00:54:34,443
Yeah, I love my family.
866
00:54:34,478 --> 00:54:36,134
Who doesn't?
867
00:54:36,169 --> 00:54:38,033
Do you go home at Christmas?
868
00:54:38,067 --> 00:54:39,241
Nope, not this year,
869
00:54:39,276 --> 00:54:42,140
because my dad told me to
get lost and never come back,
870
00:54:42,175 --> 00:54:46,110
and I said,
"You got your wish.
871
00:54:47,456 --> 00:54:50,114
"I'm going to dance on your
grave when you get cancer!"
872
00:54:50,148 --> 00:54:51,495
Bleurgh!
873
00:55:18,625 --> 00:55:21,283
Alright, come on.
since you're helping me move it.
874
00:55:21,318 --> 00:55:23,630
Yeah, one more thing
to get up.
875
00:55:23,665 --> 00:55:26,150
Wait till you see
my drum set!
876
00:55:36,609 --> 00:55:38,404
Hey, I didn't see you on...
877
00:55:38,438 --> 00:55:40,233
I missed you
on "General High School".
878
00:55:40,267 --> 00:55:42,373
Oh, I'm going to be on
on August 7th.
879
00:55:42,408 --> 00:55:46,032
- August 7th.
- Yeah, one more show.
880
00:55:46,066 --> 00:55:47,930
What are you bringing
to set the pace?
881
00:55:47,965 --> 00:55:51,209
A Walkman
with about 200 cassettes
882
00:55:51,244 --> 00:55:53,142
and an amplifier
883
00:55:53,177 --> 00:55:56,767
and a couple of pairs of socks
and underwear, and that's it.
884
00:55:56,801 --> 00:55:59,908
Hey, look at that, there's
plenty of room in here.
885
00:56:03,187 --> 00:56:05,396
You can fit how many people
in here with the equipment?
886
00:56:05,431 --> 00:56:08,192
We're going to take six people,
and the amps back there,
887
00:56:08,226 --> 00:56:09,849
and the drums
on top of the amps,
888
00:56:09,883 --> 00:56:11,298
so it looks like
pretty good shape.
889
00:56:11,333 --> 00:56:14,129
I think we've got enough room
for everybody.
890
00:56:14,163 --> 00:56:16,096
What's the farthest East
you go?
891
00:56:16,131 --> 00:56:17,960
New York City.
892
00:56:19,272 --> 00:56:20,825
Where are you going to play
in New York?
893
00:56:20,860 --> 00:56:22,827
- The Ritz.
- Really?
894
00:56:26,521 --> 00:56:27,798
Yeah.
895
00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:37,566
No.
896
00:56:41,536 --> 00:56:43,330
No, I think this one's
under control.
897
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:45,678
Are those tools?
898
00:56:45,712 --> 00:56:47,507
I got a phone number
for tools.
899
00:56:47,542 --> 00:56:50,579
- Here's your hood, Sneaky.
- Yeesh!
900
00:56:50,614 --> 00:56:53,548
I got a phone number
for a guy that's really good.
901
00:56:53,582 --> 00:56:55,032
Don't leave home without it.
902
00:57:02,315 --> 00:57:03,592
So everything else you have
903
00:57:03,627 --> 00:57:06,250
you're just going to leave here
when you leave the road huh?
904
00:57:06,284 --> 00:57:08,528
Yeah, more or less.
905
00:57:09,805 --> 00:57:12,187
- Can we get... You think...
906
00:57:12,221 --> 00:57:14,741
you think Sneaky Spermshooter
will throw it all away
907
00:57:14,776 --> 00:57:16,536
when he realizes
you left without him?
908
00:57:16,571 --> 00:57:18,365
Oh, yeah, he's going
to be damn pissed.
909
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,815
So you just sneak in
910
00:57:19,850 --> 00:57:21,748
and tell him you are just
taking the stuff for a minute,
911
00:57:21,783 --> 00:57:25,234
- and you see him tomorrow, huh?
- Yeah.
912
00:57:25,269 --> 00:57:26,891
But you guys are gonna be
in St. Louis
913
00:57:26,926 --> 00:57:28,962
- and he's gonna be here, huh?
- Right.
914
00:57:44,806 --> 00:57:46,117
I'm sitting there
looking at him,
915
00:57:46,152 --> 00:57:48,844
sitting out in the electric car
waiting on...
916
00:57:59,337 --> 00:58:01,547
So, uh...
917
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:05,240
we were going to kick him
out of the band anyway
918
00:58:05,274 --> 00:58:06,310
right before the tour,
919
00:58:06,344 --> 00:58:12,247
this last tour we did
with the Revolting Cocks,
920
00:58:12,281 --> 00:58:15,146
but we didn't know
how we were going to tell him.
921
00:58:15,181 --> 00:58:16,251
and then, uh...
922
00:58:18,287 --> 00:58:21,946
luckily he was so gone
towards the end,
923
00:58:21,981 --> 00:58:24,846
that he just up and died,
killed himself,
924
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,022
shooting up dope,
speedballs, and...
925
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:33,751
so that was a big load
off our shoulders.
926
00:58:34,407 --> 00:58:36,513
I liked that guy, Ed.
927
00:58:36,547 --> 00:58:38,411
Well, I didn't really like Ed.
He was kind of a...
928
00:58:38,445 --> 00:58:39,861
Sneaky Spermshooter,
you know?
929
00:58:39,895 --> 00:58:42,104
- Yeah, he's dead.
- He's not dead, is he?
930
00:58:42,139 --> 00:58:44,037
- Swear to God, he's dead.
- No way.
931
00:58:44,072 --> 00:58:45,073
He's dead.
932
00:58:45,107 --> 00:58:46,523
- You swear?
- I swear to God.
933
00:58:46,557 --> 00:58:48,663
- Who told you that, Ed?
- I know he's dead.
934
00:58:48,697 --> 00:58:49,664
How do you know he's dead?
935
00:58:49,698 --> 00:58:50,941
Ed didn't tell me
he's dead, no.
936
00:58:50,975 --> 00:58:54,116
Did you feel, I know you kind
of skirted around, so...
937
00:58:54,151 --> 00:58:56,947
Well, see, I was bummed out
because I lost my pad.
938
00:58:56,981 --> 00:59:01,468
And I lost a lot of clothes,
my color TV,
939
00:59:01,503 --> 00:59:05,058
my espresso coffee maker,
940
00:59:05,093 --> 00:59:07,578
my popcorn,
hot air popcorn popper.
941
00:59:07,613 --> 00:59:09,960
I don't wish that on anybody,
942
00:59:09,994 --> 00:59:13,550
but, you know,
he was a little bit of a...
943
00:59:17,726 --> 00:59:20,522
I mean if he's dead,
he was an alright guy.
944
01:00:32,007 --> 01:00:33,940
The way the band's set up,
945
01:00:33,975 --> 01:00:35,839
there's so much infighting
going on,
946
01:00:35,873 --> 01:00:38,427
so much personal stuff,
947
01:00:38,462 --> 01:00:42,017
that I don't think
the band has got what it takes
948
01:00:42,052 --> 01:00:45,089
to totally go to the top.
949
01:00:45,124 --> 01:00:47,160
I just don't see that happening.
950
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:51,095
And so what drives you then
951
01:00:51,130 --> 01:00:53,650
is just your enjoyment
of playing music,
952
01:00:53,684 --> 01:00:55,997
you know, just doing it,
953
01:00:56,031 --> 01:01:00,139
and you have to enjoy doing it
just for the sake of doing it.
954
01:01:10,287 --> 01:01:13,428
have the right to rock
955
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,922
He comes down pretty hard
and is pretty anti-homosexual
956
01:01:58,956 --> 01:02:01,890
and such very terrible things.
957
01:02:01,925 --> 01:02:03,892
Well, you got to understand,
958
01:02:03,927 --> 01:02:07,102
the appeal of The Mentors in
a lot of ways is very juvenile,
959
01:02:07,137 --> 01:02:10,450
and it's sort of
a male bonding thing,
960
01:02:10,485 --> 01:02:18,148
a thing that 16-year-olds
can get together and listen to
961
01:02:18,182 --> 01:02:20,633
and set themselves apart
from all their friends
962
01:02:20,667 --> 01:02:24,671
by being into this band,
The Mentors, and...
963
01:02:24,706 --> 01:02:28,710
As you know 16-year-old males
in general are very homophobic,
964
01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:31,782
and I think that's
where it comes from, you know.
965
01:02:31,817 --> 01:02:33,370
He's not the kind of guy
966
01:02:33,404 --> 01:02:36,511
to go out and "fag bash"
or anything like that,
967
01:02:36,545 --> 01:02:39,721
it's just part and parcel
of the whole Mentors package
968
01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:41,585
that these things
come into the music.
969
01:02:46,038 --> 01:02:47,004
Yeah.
970
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,593
- Do you like that guitar sound?
- Yeah.
971
01:02:49,627 --> 01:02:50,801
AJ.
972
01:02:50,836 --> 01:02:52,630
Go get fucked up!
973
01:02:54,563 --> 01:02:55,772
AJ.
974
01:02:55,806 --> 01:02:57,601
I like the devil hearts.
975
01:02:57,635 --> 01:02:58,947
Thanks, man.
976
01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:03,055
What's up, man?
977
01:03:03,089 --> 01:03:04,504
Alright, kid?
978
01:03:04,539 --> 01:03:06,368
Get that hood on right.
979
01:03:12,236 --> 01:03:13,272
It's not...
980
01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:18,484
You're nobody to look up to.
981
01:03:18,518 --> 01:03:20,313
I'll tell you right now
where you're going.
982
01:03:28,528 --> 01:03:30,841
Your next gig
was going to be where?
983
01:03:30,876 --> 01:03:33,395
This White Power movement thing.
984
01:03:34,672 --> 01:03:36,847
See, there's a lot
of these fanatics
985
01:03:36,882 --> 01:03:39,436
down at Huntington Beach
that want to...
986
01:03:40,644 --> 01:03:44,648
They want The Mentors
to play there.
987
01:03:44,682 --> 01:03:47,478
But I don't know, I got a lot
of black friends, too, you know.
988
01:03:47,513 --> 01:03:49,618
I... I got...
989
01:03:49,653 --> 01:03:52,587
Living in LA, you got
all kinds of friends, you know.
990
01:03:52,621 --> 01:03:56,418
I got Chinese friends
and Mexican friends...
991
01:03:56,453 --> 01:03:59,283
You know, it wouldn't look right
for me to go down there
992
01:03:59,318 --> 01:04:03,460
and play for a bunch of...
a limited amount of people
993
01:04:03,494 --> 01:04:06,359
that don't think too deeply.
994
01:04:06,394 --> 01:04:08,706
Why do you, uh...
995
01:04:08,741 --> 01:04:11,054
I mean I believe that whites
have rights, you know,
996
01:04:11,088 --> 01:04:13,125
and if there's a black movement,
997
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,059
there should be
a white movement.
998
01:04:16,093 --> 01:04:17,854
I'm proud of being a white.
999
01:04:18,993 --> 01:04:22,859
When I become sheriff
of this county,
1000
01:04:22,893 --> 01:04:25,309
I'll be like Buford Pusser.
1001
01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:28,830
I'm going to be the strongest.
1002
01:04:33,835 --> 01:04:37,874
I'm a Klansman,
I'm a redneck, hallelujah!
1003
01:04:38,633 --> 01:04:40,497
And I'm going to get them,
1004
01:04:40,531 --> 01:04:41,843
and you know what?
1005
01:04:42,775 --> 01:04:45,122
When I become sheriff
of this county...
1006
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:48,298
I'm going to carry a bat so big
1007
01:04:48,332 --> 01:04:52,198
it's going to have spikes
sticking of the sides.
1008
01:04:52,233 --> 01:04:56,271
and then when they see me coming
with my Nazi German helmet,
1009
01:04:56,306 --> 01:04:59,447
the crack dealers are going
to spread like ants.
1010
01:05:00,379 --> 01:05:02,691
But to tell you the truth...
1011
01:06:00,577 --> 01:06:02,303
I'm American all the way.
1012
01:06:04,857 --> 01:06:06,686
All liberals must die.
1013
01:06:06,721 --> 01:06:08,274
Why?
1014
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:13,003
They stand up for gangs
and wars and literacy and...
1015
01:06:14,591 --> 01:06:16,834
How the hell
do they expect to...
1016
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:21,632
That calls for a drink.
1017
01:06:24,394 --> 01:06:26,672
I like him
because he's a Nazi.
1018
01:06:29,847 --> 01:06:31,401
So you agree
with both the liberals
1019
01:06:31,435 --> 01:06:33,196
and the conservatives?
1020
01:06:42,101 --> 01:06:43,344
What do you think of that?
1021
01:06:43,378 --> 01:06:46,968
I think it's a pile of crap,
we're already overpopulated.
1022
01:06:49,315 --> 01:06:51,007
What are they going
to feed them?
1023
01:06:51,041 --> 01:06:54,079
Alfalfa leaves
and welfare stamps?
1024
01:06:56,391 --> 01:06:57,565
What's that?
1025
01:07:04,882 --> 01:07:06,436
They don't want to pay us,
1026
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:08,955
but if they want us that bad,
1027
01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:11,717
they'll have to pay us 150 bucks
and a keg of beer.
1028
01:07:11,751 --> 01:07:16,204
As far as El Duce's
sort of philosophy
1029
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:19,242
on Nazism and homosexuals...
1030
01:07:19,276 --> 01:07:20,898
Oh, he picked that up
from a friend.
1031
01:07:20,933 --> 01:07:24,005
I think he picked that up from
a friend of his a while back.
1032
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,007
That's just something
he's latched on to
1033
01:07:26,042 --> 01:07:27,560
just to be offensive.
1034
01:07:27,595 --> 01:07:29,286
It's not to be taken seriously?
1035
01:07:29,321 --> 01:07:33,290
No, one of his best friends
is as black as your pants.
1036
01:07:34,257 --> 01:07:36,190
Are you racist at all?
1037
01:07:36,224 --> 01:07:37,398
No.
1038
01:07:38,295 --> 01:07:40,435
I got a lot of black friends.
1039
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:43,266
Do you think
he really idolizes Hitler?
1040
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:46,372
Not in a serious sense,
I don't think so.
1041
01:07:46,407 --> 01:07:48,064
Just in terms
of the entertainment of it?
1042
01:07:48,098 --> 01:07:49,341
Yeah, I think he...
1043
01:07:49,375 --> 01:07:51,515
In terms of
the entertainment, yes.
1044
01:07:52,758 --> 01:07:54,380
But no, he doesn't
idolize Hitler,
1045
01:07:54,415 --> 01:07:56,865
certainly, you know,
doesn't read books about Hitler,
1046
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:59,799
nor have pictures of Hitler
up on his wall or anything.
1047
01:08:01,456 --> 01:08:03,182
Your dad beat you,
1048
01:08:03,217 --> 01:08:05,322
and you resented that
and you hated that,
1049
01:08:05,357 --> 01:08:08,084
and yet people
like Hitler and Idi Amin,
1050
01:08:08,118 --> 01:08:10,431
brutalize and torture people,
and you like that.
1051
01:08:10,465 --> 01:08:12,709
- Yeah, I do.
- How do you justify that?
1052
01:08:12,743 --> 01:08:14,090
Because it's entertainment,
1053
01:08:14,124 --> 01:08:18,094
and I've finally grown up to
realize what a fun party he is.
1054
01:08:18,128 --> 01:08:19,336
Did you think
it was entertainment
1055
01:08:19,371 --> 01:08:20,406
when your dad was beating you?
1056
01:08:20,441 --> 01:08:22,339
Oh, yeah,
he got a kick out of it.
1057
01:08:22,374 --> 01:08:23,513
You didn't, though?
1058
01:08:23,547 --> 01:08:25,515
Hell no, I was a victim of it.
1059
01:08:25,549 --> 01:08:27,137
You know what it's like
to be the victim,
1060
01:08:27,172 --> 01:08:28,897
how come you like
the idea of it?
1061
01:08:28,932 --> 01:08:30,002
Because you grow up,
1062
01:08:30,036 --> 01:08:31,866
and now I'm going to do it
to somebody else,
1063
01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:34,765
cos my dad did it to me.
1064
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,698
Is that fair to the person
you do it to, though?
1065
01:08:36,733 --> 01:08:40,012
Hell no, he's going to learn
how to do it to the next victim.
1066
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,672
It's a chain reaction, brother.
1067
01:09:00,343 --> 01:09:07,453
Mom, if it were only you and
El Duce in the room together,
1068
01:09:07,488 --> 01:09:11,077
what do you want
to just say to him?
1069
01:09:11,112 --> 01:09:13,045
You know what you're doing
to kids?
1070
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:16,082
Do you realize
that you're making boys think
1071
01:09:16,117 --> 01:09:18,050
that they can go out
and do this to girls,
1072
01:09:18,084 --> 01:09:19,534
and take their innocence away
1073
01:09:19,569 --> 01:09:21,709
when they don't want it
taken away?
1074
01:09:21,743 --> 01:09:23,780
Well, girls shouldn't go
out there advertising for it.
1075
01:09:23,814 --> 01:09:26,334
No, I'm sorry,
I wasn't advertising for it,
1076
01:09:26,369 --> 01:09:27,749
I was only 12 years old.
1077
01:09:38,898 --> 01:09:41,832
This dive is where
The Mentors started from.
1078
01:09:44,249 --> 01:09:46,975
They threw me out of here
1079
01:09:47,010 --> 01:09:51,014
because Stoney T said
I set fire to the dumpster.
1080
01:09:52,567 --> 01:09:56,192
Let me tell you I'm going to buy
this club and fire everybody.
1081
01:09:57,641 --> 01:10:00,092
But these guys are my friends.
1082
01:10:00,126 --> 01:10:02,094
That's right, brother.
1083
01:10:02,128 --> 01:10:04,648
- Eldon!
- Yeah, what's up there, buddy?
1084
01:10:26,152 --> 01:10:28,258
How are you doin'?
1085
01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:30,709
This is El Duce.
I named my dog after him.
1086
01:10:30,743 --> 01:10:32,193
"I named my dog after him!"
1087
01:10:32,228 --> 01:10:33,608
- What?
- I named my dog after him.
1088
01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:38,199
I'm your fucking wife, asshole.
1089
01:10:51,833 --> 01:10:53,283
Good to see you.
1090
01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:36,015
OK.
1091
01:11:37,051 --> 01:11:38,742
Big stash.
1092
01:11:43,264 --> 01:11:44,300
There you go.
1093
01:11:44,334 --> 01:11:46,129
Thanks for welfare.
1094
01:11:54,586 --> 01:11:57,796
And then, see,
he works part-time for me now,
1095
01:11:57,830 --> 01:12:00,350
so he'll help me in my business.
1096
01:12:00,385 --> 01:12:03,802
So we got this mutual thing
going there.
1097
01:12:03,836 --> 01:12:05,148
What do you do?
1098
01:12:05,182 --> 01:12:07,253
I do private parties.
1099
01:12:07,288 --> 01:12:09,601
I'm an entertainer, too,
and he's...
1100
01:12:09,635 --> 01:12:12,017
He comes a lot,
he carries my shit in and out,
1101
01:12:12,051 --> 01:12:14,571
cos I go do private parties
in people's houses,
1102
01:12:14,606 --> 01:12:16,539
he carries the shit
in and out for me.
1103
01:12:16,573 --> 01:12:18,092
What kind of work do you do?
1104
01:12:18,126 --> 01:12:21,026
I paint apartments,
do some plumbing.
1105
01:12:22,545 --> 01:12:23,753
Movie extra work.
1106
01:12:23,787 --> 01:12:26,307
well, that sounds pretty bad.
1107
01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:29,655
Well, it's not good news.
1108
01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:31,416
But it's better
than the gas chamber.
1109
01:12:34,004 --> 01:12:36,144
How many 40 ounces
do you drink a day?
1110
01:12:37,422 --> 01:12:39,458
I don't know, about
two or three, sometimes four,
1111
01:12:39,493 --> 01:12:42,219
sometimes six, sometimes eight.
1112
01:12:43,497 --> 01:12:45,257
How many before you pass out?
1113
01:12:46,707 --> 01:12:48,467
Probably around six.
1114
01:12:50,227 --> 01:12:52,160
Do you pretty much
pass out every night?
1115
01:12:53,092 --> 01:12:55,232
No, I'm...
1116
01:12:55,267 --> 01:12:57,683
Some nights I don't even sleep.
1117
01:12:57,718 --> 01:12:58,822
How is, uh...
1118
01:12:58,857 --> 01:13:03,793
Has El Duce's alcoholism
ever affected shows?
1119
01:13:03,827 --> 01:13:06,692
I mean, I love being
in the band and everything,
1120
01:13:06,727 --> 01:13:09,419
but it's affected
the band to such a degree
1121
01:13:09,454 --> 01:13:13,319
that probably only 50%
of the shows we're gonna do
1122
01:13:13,354 --> 01:13:14,562
are gonna be any good,
1123
01:13:14,597 --> 01:13:17,047
just due to the fact
of the alcohol problem.
1124
01:13:17,082 --> 01:13:19,533
I mean there's been more shows
than I could count
1125
01:13:19,567 --> 01:13:21,707
where he's been so out of it
1126
01:13:21,742 --> 01:13:24,296
that he literally
could not even play,
1127
01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:26,402
barely even talk.
1128
01:13:28,507 --> 01:13:30,544
He's even gotten sloppy
on his drums,
1129
01:13:30,578 --> 01:13:32,822
I mean there's
another side of...
1130
01:13:32,856 --> 01:13:34,720
he just cruises.
1131
01:13:34,755 --> 01:13:39,069
This lyric shit is the same
variations of the same crap.
1132
01:13:39,104 --> 01:13:40,277
He's lazy about that,
1133
01:13:40,312 --> 01:13:42,279
he can't even
write lyrics anymore,
1134
01:13:42,314 --> 01:13:45,317
he just goes and improvises
recordings and everything.
1135
01:14:03,818 --> 01:14:06,821
So that has been
extremely detrimental,
1136
01:14:06,856 --> 01:14:09,306
now of course
there has been lot of times
1137
01:14:09,341 --> 01:14:10,584
when it's been humorous...
1138
01:14:10,618 --> 01:14:13,828
El Duce
might get mad about this one,
1139
01:14:13,863 --> 01:14:19,040
but this one place in Florida
where he was frying...
1140
01:14:19,075 --> 01:14:23,079
I'm going to fucking get
in the ring, and I'm gonna...
1141
01:14:23,113 --> 01:14:24,563
Ooh!
1142
01:14:25,599 --> 01:14:27,739
Yeah. Maybe
I'm gonna be a wrestler.
1143
01:14:29,568 --> 01:14:31,881
The Billygoat!
1144
01:14:31,915 --> 01:14:33,365
Everybody thought he was
talking to somebody, like,
1145
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:34,366
"Who is he talking to?"
1146
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,473
This was, like,
four hours' talking,
1147
01:14:37,507 --> 01:14:42,616
you know, all this shit,
like the wrestling guys in WWE?
1148
01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:45,135
Doing all that shit
for four hours,
1149
01:14:45,170 --> 01:14:49,277
and finally I got up to see
who he was talking to,
1150
01:14:49,312 --> 01:14:50,865
and he's talking in the mirror.
1151
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:52,177
He'd say stuff about,
1152
01:14:52,211 --> 01:14:54,800
"Yeah, I'm gonna
kick this guy's ass."
1153
01:14:54,835 --> 01:14:57,078
You know, he's doing all...
1154
01:14:58,286 --> 01:15:00,288
That was really funny.
1155
01:15:02,843 --> 01:15:04,085
I'm going to take on anyone,
1156
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,812
I'll lose the match,
who cares?
1157
01:15:07,986 --> 01:15:11,265
I'll get the chicks
and the money afterwards.
1158
01:15:11,299 --> 01:15:15,476
Do you feel that the band kind
of keeps him from getting clean?
1159
01:15:16,512 --> 01:15:17,789
Uh...
1160
01:15:19,722 --> 01:15:23,277
Well no, no, I don't think so,
I don't think so.
1161
01:15:23,311 --> 01:15:26,245
I mean, to a certain extent
his persona of El Duce
1162
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,490
is being, you know,
this rock and roll party animal.
1163
01:15:30,836 --> 01:15:36,152
Sure, that reinforces that
behavior to a certain extent.
1164
01:15:36,186 --> 01:15:37,809
But to point
to any one thing and say,
1165
01:15:37,843 --> 01:15:40,087
"That's why he's the way he is,"
1166
01:15:40,121 --> 01:15:44,885
or "If he wasn't doing that,
he wouldn't be drinking,"
1167
01:15:44,919 --> 01:15:47,335
I don't think one can make
those statements or assumptions.
1168
01:15:47,370 --> 01:15:50,373
I think alcoholism
is a very tricky thing
1169
01:15:50,407 --> 01:15:53,410
and certainly there's millions
of alcoholics in the world
1170
01:15:53,445 --> 01:15:55,171
who aren't in rock bands,
1171
01:15:55,205 --> 01:15:59,347
you know, your doctors,
lawyers, truck drivers...
1172
01:15:59,382 --> 01:16:00,935
Drug abuse and alcoholism,
1173
01:16:00,970 --> 01:16:03,420
they're chronic endemic problems
with people,
1174
01:16:03,455 --> 01:16:06,044
and it's not necessarily
attributed to any one thing
1175
01:16:06,078 --> 01:16:08,184
or any two or three things.
1176
01:16:08,218 --> 01:16:12,913
I started messing around
with Vodka 100 Proof Smirnoff,
1177
01:16:12,947 --> 01:16:14,880
the blue bottles,
1178
01:16:14,915 --> 01:16:17,780
and I was drinking that shit,
a fifth a day,
1179
01:16:17,814 --> 01:16:20,334
and that just tears
your shit right up.
1180
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:23,717
Your shit is gone
within a month.
1181
01:16:24,649 --> 01:16:27,065
You know,
drinking that stiff.
1182
01:16:27,099 --> 01:16:30,758
Cos I thought I was Superman,
I could do anything, you know.
1183
01:16:32,035 --> 01:16:36,212
And then I woke up
in the hospital,
1184
01:16:36,246 --> 01:16:38,317
tubes stuck in my arms
and stuff,
1185
01:16:38,352 --> 01:16:41,942
and I was like,
"I got to do something."
1186
01:16:43,426 --> 01:16:45,877
They gave me all these
knock-out pills and shit,
1187
01:16:45,911 --> 01:16:48,396
so that I could kick the booze.
1188
01:16:50,675 --> 01:16:53,160
And then I drifted
back into drinking,
1189
01:16:53,194 --> 01:16:55,058
but now all I drink is...
1190
01:16:56,370 --> 01:16:58,337
Cos I can kind of control it.
1191
01:16:59,753 --> 01:17:03,101
You know, having grown up
with the guy,
1192
01:17:03,135 --> 01:17:04,585
being a close friend
and everything,
1193
01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:06,587
nobody wants to see
somebody they know
1194
01:17:06,622 --> 01:17:09,176
destroy themselves in that way,
but you know...
1195
01:17:10,591 --> 01:17:13,663
You now, I kind of, to a certain
extent, wash my hands of it.
1196
01:17:13,698 --> 01:17:16,839
I sort of made my attempt
to get him clean,
1197
01:17:16,873 --> 01:17:19,186
it didn't really work,
and, uh...
1198
01:17:19,220 --> 01:17:21,119
I just let him
live his own life now.
1199
01:17:21,153 --> 01:17:23,259
Whatever he's going to do,
he's going to do.
1200
01:17:23,293 --> 01:17:25,261
I can't assume
any responsibility for him
1201
01:17:25,295 --> 01:17:28,022
in terms of his own
personal wellbeing.
1202
01:17:43,451 --> 01:17:45,453
When do you feel bad for him?
1203
01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:49,803
When I see him,
1204
01:17:49,837 --> 01:17:53,116
like, with a bottle, half of
a bottle of vodka in his hand.
1205
01:17:54,635 --> 01:17:58,087
And he just wants to be duced,
1206
01:17:58,121 --> 01:18:02,229
cos I know that thought,
I have been there, too.
1207
01:18:02,263 --> 01:18:04,852
And it's just...
1208
01:18:04,887 --> 01:18:07,890
I don't want to go
back there anymore.
1209
01:18:07,924 --> 01:18:09,788
And he's...
1210
01:18:09,823 --> 01:18:13,723
It took such incredible will
for me to get out of that,
1211
01:18:13,758 --> 01:18:14,931
and I don't think...
1212
01:18:14,966 --> 01:18:17,175
I mean, I know Eldon
doesn't have that will.
1213
01:18:17,209 --> 01:18:20,074
He doesn't even have
the will to, you know,
1214
01:18:20,109 --> 01:18:23,388
get a regular place to stay,
1215
01:18:23,422 --> 01:18:25,528
and clothes and shower,
1216
01:18:25,562 --> 01:18:28,220
and that's too much
responsibility.
1217
01:18:28,255 --> 01:18:32,190
You have to be so determined
in mind, and he just isn't.
1218
01:18:34,330 --> 01:18:37,126
So, where do you live?
1219
01:18:38,196 --> 01:18:40,750
Well, it depends on my attitude.
1220
01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:44,616
Either jail,
cardboard condominium,
1221
01:18:44,650 --> 01:18:48,275
Sickie Wifebeater's,
Dr. Heathen Scum's.
1222
01:18:48,309 --> 01:18:49,966
I do the couch tour.
1223
01:18:53,798 --> 01:18:54,902
Um...
1224
01:18:55,869 --> 01:18:58,216
It's like being on the road.
1225
01:18:58,250 --> 01:19:01,219
But I'm on the road
in one little area.
1226
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:08,467
It makes me a nervous wreck.
1227
01:19:08,502 --> 01:19:11,229
Makes me want to drink more.
1228
01:19:11,263 --> 01:19:15,820
I'm going to show you
how real kings live.
1229
01:19:17,925 --> 01:19:20,238
Who needs a job?
You do.
1230
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:23,759
Who needs the booze?
I do.
1231
01:19:24,898 --> 01:19:28,073
Who's an asshole?
You are.
1232
01:19:28,108 --> 01:19:31,628
Who's a creep?
I am.
1233
01:19:31,663 --> 01:19:34,700
Let's get out a dictionary
and write down the words.
1234
01:19:45,608 --> 01:19:47,955
It's funny how you find
your real friends.
1235
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:50,993
Last I saw him,
he was living in a box.
1236
01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:53,098
Oh, yeah!
1237
01:19:53,133 --> 01:19:56,550
He was living in a box on
the side of the highway in LA.
1238
01:19:56,584 --> 01:19:59,691
We got to Hollywood,
and we pulled over,
1239
01:19:59,725 --> 01:20:04,661
I mean we're, like, sitting
in this parking lot in our bus,
1240
01:20:04,696 --> 01:20:07,078
and all of a sudden
we hear this...
1241
01:20:07,112 --> 01:20:10,564
There's this empty, deserted,
like, broken-down cube truck,
1242
01:20:10,598 --> 01:20:13,394
and we hear this...
1243
01:20:13,429 --> 01:20:14,740
And then we look over there,
1244
01:20:14,775 --> 01:20:18,020
and this whole refrigerator box
falls out of the back,
1245
01:20:18,054 --> 01:20:21,023
and El Duce
comes crawling out of it.
1246
01:20:21,057 --> 01:20:23,370
And he looks up and he goes,
1247
01:20:24,785 --> 01:20:25,924
"Gwar?"
1248
01:20:51,916 --> 01:20:53,331
See you, brother.
1249
01:20:53,365 --> 01:20:55,333
You wouldn't be able
to spare a nickel?
1250
01:20:55,367 --> 01:20:56,644
Spare what?
1251
01:20:56,679 --> 01:20:58,750
You wouldn't be able
to spare a nickel, could you?
1252
01:20:58,784 --> 01:21:00,856
Nickel, what is that?
1253
01:21:02,305 --> 01:21:03,582
A quarter.
1254
01:21:03,617 --> 01:21:06,447
Oh, you mean money?
1255
01:21:06,482 --> 01:21:08,070
What are you going to do
with that nickel, man?
1256
01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:11,280
You are going to do what?
1257
01:21:11,314 --> 01:21:12,419
Buy booze.
1258
01:21:12,453 --> 01:21:13,903
- Booze?
- Yeah.
1259
01:21:14,455 --> 01:21:15,905
Hey, Thirty...
1260
01:21:19,288 --> 01:21:21,738
How do we make money?
1261
01:21:21,773 --> 01:21:23,533
I bum.
1262
01:21:23,568 --> 01:21:25,811
Yeah, but how to be
a perfect bum?
1263
01:21:25,846 --> 01:21:28,228
Eldon Hoke.
That man's, like, true terror,
1264
01:21:28,262 --> 01:21:29,850
left and right.
1265
01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:32,784
That guy used to work
at the Ivar Theatre.
1266
01:21:32,818 --> 01:21:34,337
Get over here.
1267
01:21:34,372 --> 01:21:35,960
What?
1268
01:21:35,994 --> 01:21:38,272
Tell them
what I'd do at the Ivar.
1269
01:21:38,307 --> 01:21:39,929
Tell them what I'd do
at the Ivar.
1270
01:21:39,964 --> 01:21:43,864
In 1984, he used to work as an
announcer at the Ivar Theatre,
1271
01:21:43,899 --> 01:21:46,073
which was a totally nude
burlesque theater.
1272
01:21:46,108 --> 01:21:49,111
That's where I became
an announcer also.
1273
01:21:49,145 --> 01:21:50,975
Tell them what we did
in the light booth.
1274
01:21:51,009 --> 01:21:53,770
I am not even going to speak
such things on camera. Sorry.
1275
01:21:53,805 --> 01:21:55,324
I mean,
I grew up with him,
1276
01:21:55,358 --> 01:21:58,948
I watched him become El Duce,
you know, slowly.
1277
01:21:58,983 --> 01:22:02,952
I mean, from drawing
little chopped off arms and axes
1278
01:22:02,987 --> 01:22:06,197
and torture scenes
in the fourth grade...
1279
01:22:06,231 --> 01:22:10,166
instead of
Bambi pictures and shit.
1280
01:22:10,201 --> 01:22:14,999
I mean, he's always been
real different.
1281
01:22:15,033 --> 01:22:17,380
Do you get along with her the
best of anyone in your family?
1282
01:22:17,415 --> 01:22:18,450
Yep.
1283
01:22:19,451 --> 01:22:21,177
I love my sister.
1284
01:22:22,109 --> 01:22:25,630
She's the only family
I got, really.
1285
01:22:25,664 --> 01:22:30,600
Everyone else is gonna die
a gruesome death for their evil.
1286
01:22:46,133 --> 01:22:48,032
How would you like to die?
1287
01:22:48,066 --> 01:22:51,104
Uh, maybe a lethal injection
1288
01:22:51,138 --> 01:22:53,830
or have me a...
1289
01:22:55,625 --> 01:22:57,006
hmm...
1290
01:22:58,835 --> 01:23:02,115
parachute without a parachute
that doesn't work.
1291
01:23:05,394 --> 01:23:06,705
Yeah.
1292
01:23:08,776 --> 01:23:12,332
The expression on their face
when they go.
1293
01:23:15,093 --> 01:23:17,785
Because they think they had
everything going together,
1294
01:23:17,820 --> 01:23:20,478
and then when it's time
for them to die,
1295
01:23:20,512 --> 01:23:22,859
get a good look at them! Argh!
1296
01:23:26,346 --> 01:23:28,589
He talks a lot
about death and dying.
1297
01:23:28,624 --> 01:23:29,935
How seriously do you take that?
1298
01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:32,869
Well, you know, he first
started coming up with that
1299
01:23:32,904 --> 01:23:35,251
about ten years ago.
He'd start saying stuff like,
1300
01:23:35,286 --> 01:23:38,013
"I have seen death
and I want to die."
1301
01:23:39,083 --> 01:23:40,463
When he gets really drunk,
1302
01:23:40,498 --> 01:23:43,018
he'll go off
onto this death trip he's got.
1303
01:23:43,052 --> 01:23:44,985
I guess when he first
started coming up with it,
1304
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:46,435
I got pretty
concerned about it.
1305
01:23:46,469 --> 01:23:50,887
I thought it was
maybe indicative
1306
01:23:50,922 --> 01:23:53,131
of what was soon to follow.
1307
01:23:53,166 --> 01:23:56,134
And I'm certainly still worried
about him expiring early.
1308
01:23:56,169 --> 01:23:58,964
I mean, the guy's been a serious
alcoholic for 10 or 15 years.
1309
01:23:58,999 --> 01:24:00,104
Certainly, you know,
1310
01:24:00,138 --> 01:24:01,864
I don't know how much time
he has got left,
1311
01:24:01,898 --> 01:24:07,456
but, again, I just sort of
close my mind to it.
1312
01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:11,563
I figure my only alternative
is to not associate with him.
1313
01:24:11,598 --> 01:24:13,289
I don't want to do that,
I mean...
1314
01:24:13,324 --> 01:24:15,740
I enjoy being around the guy
when he is more or less sober.
1315
01:24:15,774 --> 01:24:18,122
I like working with him,
playing with him.
1316
01:24:18,156 --> 01:24:19,778
He is a friend of mine,
1317
01:24:19,813 --> 01:24:22,091
and I think I just have
to accept him for what he is,
1318
01:24:22,126 --> 01:24:27,027
and if part of what he is,
is to die early, then so be it,
1319
01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:29,616
although I don't think anybody
wants to see that.
1320
01:24:56,194 --> 01:24:57,989
Mm... yeah.
1321
01:25:20,460 --> 01:25:22,979
He is fascinated
with people dying
1322
01:25:23,014 --> 01:25:24,671
and killing and getting hurt
and all that,
1323
01:25:24,705 --> 01:25:26,880
but he seems to be
a peaceful guy.
1324
01:25:26,914 --> 01:25:29,262
Yeah, he's harmless.
1325
01:25:29,296 --> 01:25:31,056
That's the ironic thing
about it,
1326
01:25:31,091 --> 01:25:32,748
he's totally harmless.
1327
01:25:33,611 --> 01:25:35,337
Didn't seem like
he'd hurt anybody.
1328
01:25:35,371 --> 01:25:38,754
He wouldn't.
He is absolutely nonviolent.
1329
01:25:38,788 --> 01:25:40,480
Do you mind
taking your mask off?
1330
01:25:48,902 --> 01:25:50,145
OK, put it back on.
1331
01:25:59,188 --> 01:26:02,157
I am an ugly motherfucker.
1332
01:26:02,191 --> 01:26:03,882
I admit it.
1333
01:26:05,643 --> 01:26:07,679
I don't care anymore.
1334
01:26:07,714 --> 01:26:11,821
Do you find his problem
with alcohol to be inhibiting?
1335
01:26:11,856 --> 01:26:13,927
No, see that's his own thing.
1336
01:26:13,961 --> 01:26:16,447
He's always talking
about dying early and stuff,
1337
01:26:16,481 --> 01:26:19,035
and that freaks some people out,
1338
01:26:19,070 --> 01:26:23,937
but I figure we all got to go
at our own pace,
1339
01:26:23,971 --> 01:26:26,457
and maybe the alcohol
is preserving him.
1340
01:26:29,563 --> 01:26:31,013
- What, uh...
- It doesn't bother me.
1341
01:26:31,047 --> 01:26:32,877
I don't give a fuck
what he does.
1342
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:41,713
'...the value of your home.
1343
01:26:41,748 --> 01:26:44,647
'It's even tax-deductible,
so consult your CPA.
1344
01:26:44,682 --> 01:26:48,099
'That's 1-800-227-2888.
1345
01:26:48,133 --> 01:26:49,652
'Preferred financial funding.'
1346
01:26:57,315 --> 01:27:00,905
Just because El Duce
is bald and ugly...
1347
01:27:02,872 --> 01:27:06,600
...uses cheap cardboard drums,
1348
01:27:06,635 --> 01:27:09,500
doesn't mean you have the right
1349
01:27:09,534 --> 01:27:11,502
to sneak in there
1350
01:27:11,536 --> 01:27:14,090
and stick your little
peekaboo camera up there.
1351
01:27:20,890 --> 01:27:23,099
I like to have people
afraid of me.
1352
01:27:24,377 --> 01:27:27,380
- Uh, El...
- Don't do that.
1353
01:27:30,659 --> 01:27:32,039
No.
1354
01:27:36,389 --> 01:27:37,735
El!
1355
01:27:40,324 --> 01:27:41,670
Oh, God.
1356
01:27:50,368 --> 01:27:52,681
Whatever it takes
for entertainment.
1357
01:28:45,561 --> 01:28:47,425
Yes! Huh-huh!
1358
01:28:47,460 --> 01:28:48,461
Uh-huh! Huh!
1359
01:28:48,495 --> 01:28:50,463
This kicks butt!
1360
01:28:50,497 --> 01:28:51,774
Huh-huh! Huh-huh!
1361
01:28:52,465 --> 01:28:54,052
Nirvana is cool.
1362
01:28:54,087 --> 01:28:56,469
- Huh-huh! Huh-huh!
- Yeah! Huh-huh...
1363
01:29:08,998 --> 01:29:12,001
See, I went through all
of our videos over here.
1364
01:29:12,036 --> 01:29:13,313
Check it out.
1365
01:29:13,348 --> 01:29:14,694
I have been archiving videos
1366
01:29:14,728 --> 01:29:17,006
since I bought a video camera
last year,
1367
01:29:17,041 --> 01:29:19,008
and I got
all the good shit in here
1368
01:29:19,043 --> 01:29:22,322
that's going to kick ass
royally on this garbage.
1369
01:29:22,357 --> 01:29:26,222
So sit back and enjoy
the El Duce,
1370
01:29:26,257 --> 01:29:28,363
the man, the myth, the video...
1371
01:29:29,743 --> 01:29:33,022
and make sure you show it
to all your friends.
1372
01:29:40,202 --> 01:29:42,411
No, No, don't do...
El, El, El...
1373
01:29:42,446 --> 01:29:44,448
Don't do this right out
in the open like that.
1374
01:29:47,451 --> 01:29:51,247
Look at the queer-looking dudes
that call themselves rock.
1375
01:29:51,282 --> 01:29:54,492
I say fucking Poison,
suck some cock.
1376
01:29:56,736 --> 01:29:59,463
Let me bless my beer.
1377
01:29:59,497 --> 01:30:01,982
This is how you drink your beer
when you're a real man.
1378
01:30:08,955 --> 01:30:10,715
The beer gods.
1379
01:30:10,750 --> 01:30:15,444
I am the king that knows
how to drink beer, watch me.
1380
01:31:43,152 --> 01:31:44,740
Let's do it, dude!
1381
01:31:44,775 --> 01:31:47,502
OK, how about some Duce
nude in the jacuzzi?
1382
01:31:47,536 --> 01:31:48,882
Yeah!
1383
01:31:48,917 --> 01:31:50,332
Get out of here.
1384
01:31:50,366 --> 01:31:52,645
Come on, let's go.
Come on.
1385
01:32:46,388 --> 01:32:48,735
There is no doubt,
Courtney knowing him well,
1386
01:32:48,770 --> 01:32:51,496
would know, hey, if I wanted to
hire somebody to kill somebody,
1387
01:32:51,531 --> 01:32:52,912
El Duce would be the man.
1388
01:32:52,946 --> 01:32:54,569
He would love to do it
like that.
1389
01:32:54,603 --> 01:32:57,882
Is that... looks like him
right there actually.
1390
01:32:57,917 --> 01:32:59,746
That is... That's the one.
1391
01:32:59,781 --> 01:33:02,059
There he is, El Duce.
1392
01:33:04,337 --> 01:33:06,650
There he is right there.
So, he's, uh...
1393
01:33:06,684 --> 01:33:08,755
- Hey, I got some...
1394
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:11,240
You did some deal
with Courtney, right?
1395
01:33:11,275 --> 01:33:12,448
Yeah.
1396
01:33:12,483 --> 01:33:15,072
She offered me 50 grand
to whack Kurt Cobain.
1397
01:33:15,106 --> 01:33:17,453
But did she tell you how she
wanted you to kill Kurt Cobain?
1398
01:33:17,488 --> 01:33:19,559
Yeah, she said
blow his fucking head off.
1399
01:33:19,594 --> 01:33:21,319
I got the shot gun.
1400
01:33:21,354 --> 01:33:23,908
- But she didn't say anything...
- Make it look like a suicide.
1401
01:33:23,943 --> 01:33:26,911
Well, yeah, but if he blew out
his brains like you said...
1402
01:33:59,530 --> 01:34:01,981
'Hello, you've reached
The Mentors hotline.
1403
01:34:02,015 --> 01:34:05,225
'If you are calling regarding
the rumors about El Duce,
1404
01:34:05,260 --> 01:34:07,538
'we're sorry to report
that they are indeed true.
1405
01:34:07,572 --> 01:34:09,057
'El Duce is deceased,
1406
01:34:09,091 --> 01:34:12,888
'and he was hit by a train
two Saturday nights ago.
1407
01:34:14,027 --> 01:34:15,822
'Thank you very much
for your condolences.
1408
01:34:15,857 --> 01:34:18,342
'They're are greatly
appreciated.'
1409
01:34:18,894 --> 01:34:20,171
[Beep]
1410
01:34:34,427 --> 01:34:36,429
You know how they found El Duce?
1411
01:34:37,499 --> 01:34:39,915
- Dead?
- Found him dead with no head.
1412
01:34:39,950 --> 01:34:41,848
Found him on train tracks
1413
01:34:41,883 --> 01:34:44,644
with his head on one side
and his body on the other.
1414
01:34:45,541 --> 01:34:48,717
The passing
of an American genius.
1415
01:34:52,341 --> 01:34:54,447
El Duce had to leave,
1416
01:34:54,481 --> 01:34:57,899
he had to catch a train
with his face.
1417
01:35:07,598 --> 01:35:09,289
Having maybe reached
1418
01:35:09,324 --> 01:35:12,845
the apex of commercial viability
with The Mentors,
1419
01:35:12,879 --> 01:35:15,848
why not now just play
a type of music
1420
01:35:15,882 --> 01:35:18,229
that you have always
wanted to play?
1421
01:35:18,264 --> 01:35:20,818
Well, I think we do,
we do play what we want to play.
1422
01:35:20,853 --> 01:35:23,545
Right now,
it's what we want to play.
1423
01:35:23,579 --> 01:35:25,202
You don't feel the need
to go off and, uh...
1424
01:35:25,236 --> 01:35:27,135
I mean, El Duce
doesn't feel the need
1425
01:35:27,169 --> 01:35:30,448
to find his fusion roots again?
1426
01:35:31,553 --> 01:35:33,072
- Uh, no.
- I'm just getting back to...
1427
01:35:33,106 --> 01:35:34,073
Yeah, I know what you're saying.
1428
01:35:34,107 --> 01:35:36,040
I know exactly
what you're saying.
1429
01:35:36,075 --> 01:35:37,973
When we started out,
it was contrived
1430
01:35:38,008 --> 01:35:40,631
to the extent
I've already described.
1431
01:35:40,665 --> 01:35:43,047
But that... we're way
past that point now.
1432
01:35:43,082 --> 01:35:44,773
It's no longer
a contrived thing,
1433
01:35:44,808 --> 01:35:50,468
it's a real legitimate
artistic thing that we do,
1434
01:35:50,503 --> 01:35:54,334
and there's very little pretense
behind it of that nature.
1435
01:35:54,369 --> 01:35:56,647
So I think we are doing
what we want to do.
1436
01:36:01,307 --> 01:36:03,516
I mean, I guess...
1437
01:36:03,550 --> 01:36:07,347
I think El would've
wound up the same way
1438
01:36:07,382 --> 01:36:10,005
whether or not he was ever
in The Mentors.
1439
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,768
And so I guess
I'm glad that, um...
1440
01:36:15,873 --> 01:36:17,012
he was in The Mentors
1441
01:36:17,047 --> 01:36:20,084
so he will be remembered
for something.
1442
01:36:20,119 --> 01:36:21,603
El Duce, this is for you.
1443
01:36:21,637 --> 01:36:24,261
I hope you roll
in your fucking grave.
1444
01:36:39,586 --> 01:36:41,519
"Bend up
and smell my anal vapor.
1445
01:36:41,554 --> 01:36:44,108
"Your face is my toilet paper.
1446
01:36:44,143 --> 01:36:46,007
"On your face
I leave a shit tower.
1447
01:36:46,041 --> 01:36:47,698
"Golden showers.
1448
01:36:47,732 --> 01:36:49,873
- "Golden showers."
1449
01:36:49,907 --> 01:36:51,357
I'm sorry,
your time has expired.
1450
01:36:51,391 --> 01:36:52,668
Duce!
1451
01:36:52,703 --> 01:36:55,430
when you took a mic stand
and you shoved it in your ass,
1452
01:36:55,464 --> 01:36:57,639
and you hit me with it,
1453
01:36:57,673 --> 01:37:00,435
I felt like I graduated
from high school.
1454
01:37:00,469 --> 01:37:02,333
- Well, congratulations.
- Thanks.
1455
01:37:02,368 --> 01:37:06,648
This kind of thing might have
a big enough of an impact.
1456
01:37:06,682 --> 01:37:09,409
It said what it needed to say
in such a concise
1457
01:37:09,444 --> 01:37:11,308
yet humorous and pungent fashion
1458
01:37:11,342 --> 01:37:14,311
that I could see it
making a lasting impact.
1459
01:37:35,919 --> 01:37:38,576
You've spoken out against
all these... people.
1460
01:37:38,611 --> 01:37:40,855
Like, you say
you don't hire gay people.
1461
01:37:40,889 --> 01:37:42,063
No, no, no.
1462
01:37:42,097 --> 01:37:43,719
They're not as bad as women,
but no, I don't hire gays.
1463
01:37:43,754 --> 01:37:46,515
- But you know that's not...
- No, they're really...
1464
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:48,448
- But you know that's just...
- Just kidding.
1465
01:37:48,483 --> 01:37:49,933
You're easy.
1466
01:37:51,279 --> 01:37:55,973
What if you control
the entire world?
1467
01:37:56,008 --> 01:37:59,252
Somebody who could rise
to political power,
1468
01:37:59,287 --> 01:38:01,910
through nothing more
than pushing people's buttons
1469
01:38:01,945 --> 01:38:03,601
and getting them all riled up.
1470
01:38:08,158 --> 01:38:09,918
There is a bunch
of famous musicians
1471
01:38:09,953 --> 01:38:11,782
who were trying
to close down Gitmo,
1472
01:38:11,816 --> 01:38:13,577
and they are enraged,
1473
01:38:13,611 --> 01:38:15,993
thinking that perhaps
their music was being used
1474
01:38:16,028 --> 01:38:17,892
as torture against
these inmates.
1475
01:38:17,926 --> 01:38:20,308
How do you feel about that?
1476
01:38:20,342 --> 01:38:23,552
Well, I mean, rock'n'roll has
been an instrument of torture
1477
01:38:23,587 --> 01:38:25,347
for as long as I can remember.
1478
01:38:25,382 --> 01:38:27,556
to rape men
1479
01:38:33,735 --> 01:38:37,808
And there are like one, two,
three, four, five, six, seven Fs
1480
01:38:37,842 --> 01:38:39,120
in front of the 4th of July.
1481
01:38:39,154 --> 01:38:41,225
What does that signify
if anything?
1482
01:38:46,127 --> 01:38:47,438
Last night,
1483
01:38:47,473 --> 01:38:51,891
the number one trending topic
on Twitter was Obama Farewell.
1484
01:38:51,926 --> 01:38:54,790
And the second trending topic,
no kidding,
1485
01:38:54,825 --> 01:38:57,379
was "Golden Showers".
1486
01:38:59,968 --> 01:39:04,524
I think he's very proud of
what he has done with his life.
1487
01:39:04,559 --> 01:39:07,907
I think he's very cognizant
of the fact
1488
01:39:07,942 --> 01:39:09,391
that he is creating art,
1489
01:39:09,426 --> 01:39:11,738
and does consider himself
an artist.
1490
01:39:12,877 --> 01:39:14,914
I mean, he shocked
and grossed people out,
1491
01:39:14,949 --> 01:39:16,088
that's what he wanted to do.
1492
01:39:16,122 --> 01:39:18,745
And he was the best at it,
but it killed him inside.
1493
01:39:19,954 --> 01:39:21,438
I mean who wants to go around
1494
01:39:21,472 --> 01:39:25,373
being the biggest, fattest,
grossest, most disgusting thing?
1495
01:39:36,211 --> 01:39:37,557
Yep.
1496
01:39:42,252 --> 01:39:43,908
It's art.
1497
01:44:06,412 --> 01:44:08,690
See you in hell!
1498
01:44:13,316 --> 01:44:16,284
No, better yet,
I'm in heaven. Beugh!
1499
01:44:16,319 --> 01:44:17,734
Fooled ya!
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