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After Dale is arrested,
we're gonna need you to testify
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about the meetings between him and you.
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Testify?
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I can't testify.
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In open court?
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We'll de-register you as informer 3838.
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No, no, no.
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And we'll refer to
you only as witness F.
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They'll figure it out.
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When they hear what witness F says,
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everyone will know it's me.
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Even if they do, no one's gonna care.
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You're turning on a cop.
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I won't testify at the committal.
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I'm not doing it.
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I
promise you, on my life,
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I am not and would not work
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for the jacks, you know that.
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Talk.
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One.
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Two.
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Three.
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Talk.
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Are you gonna to do it?
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If you make me give evidence,
when people find out it's me
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all my cases will come under scrutiny.
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Dozens of crims-
-Nicola.
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Carl Williams will go free.
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You'll be gone and I'll be
dead, a bullet in my head.
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We'll protect you.
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Yeah, just like you're
protected the Hodson's?
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So are you gonna do it?
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Tony Mokbel was found
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hiding out in Greece.
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The Victorian police had put
up a million dollar bounty
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for information leading to his arrest.
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Tony was finally arrested
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by the Greek police in Athens in 2007.
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In 2008, they put him on a taxpayer funded
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Gulf stream jet back to
Melbourne to face the music.
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After an
exhaustive joint operation
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by federal and Victorian Police,
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despite his attempt to thwart
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extradition back to Australia,
Mr. Mokbel is due to appear
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before the Melbourne
courts in the coming weeks.
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Hello?
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Hello.
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I'd like to say
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you get used to this type of thing.
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Detective Reichert.
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Susan, it's Nicola.
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You don't.
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So Dale's committal hearing
is set for early next year
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before that we'll need relevant statements
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for their hand out brief.
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So if we could do that tonight.
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Witness F will be outed, golly gee.
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Yeah, it's possible.
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And if that occurs, we think that you
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should enter witness protection.
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Look at me.
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Have you ever met someone more unsuited?
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Wit sec is for people who blend in.
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I don't blend in.
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No matter where you stash
me, I'll be recognized.
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No, I'm staying put.
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Well,
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that's your choice.
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But I would keep as low
profile as possible.
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How?
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Tony Mokbel's back, he wants
me to represent him again.
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You can't.
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Tell him you have a conflict of interest.
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A conflict of interest?
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You don't say no to Tony Mokbel.
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Well, you better figure out a way.
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There she is.
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You look like shit.
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Thanks.
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Coming from you, that's...
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What?
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I saw the wiggy war in Greece.
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Front page photo, mate.
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Did you get a blind
person to buy it for you?
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That was the jacks.
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They put it on sideways.
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Well, but for a long
time, it was my disguise.
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It was something.
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Did you come here to insult me or what?
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No.
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I'm enjoying this.
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Yeah, me too.
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Good to see you, Nic.
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I can't represent you anymore, Tony.
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What do you mean?
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Just with
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everything.
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Cops already think I tipped you off
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when you jumped bail and went off ways.
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But you didn't.
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And they've got no proof, so fuck them.
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Yeah, but...
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Well, there are just too many
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conflicts of interest
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What's going on,
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Nic?
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Nothing.
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So you think you can just do this,
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just
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walk away?
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Yeah, I gotta.
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I do.
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So you don't to think
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I kept records,
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tapes
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of you and certain people in
compromising fucking positions,
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tapes of you fucking
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certain people in compromising
positions, Nicola?
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Go on,
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try the tapes,
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probably get me more work.
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And that
was the last time I saw Tony.
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He's been locked away ever since.
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After all, he didn't
have me representing him.
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Meanwhile, the Hodson
murders remained unsolved.
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Task force Petra will
take over the investigation
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into the murders of Terrence
and Christine Hodson.
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I, personally will be on
the steering committee.
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We will not rest until the
killers are brought to justice.
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So
the police were on my case.
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Miss,
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let's get straight into it.
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Let's not muck around.
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How would you describe your relationship
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with Terry and Christine Hodson?
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I advised Terry after
the Oakley burglary.
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Up until his murder?
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Yeah, I had to start
repping him after that.
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Look, I liked Terry and Christine.
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They were good people.
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Were you aware that Terry
was a police informer?
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Yes.
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Did you have any discussions
with people about that?
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Well, I wouldn't say
I've gone out of my way
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to ring people and tell them.
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If someone asked?
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If someone asked I might've
said something maybe.
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To who?
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Who did you just speak to?
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I don't know.
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I can't remember.
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It's not a criminal offense
for me to discuss it.
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I'm just trying to establish who knew
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that Terry was informing and how.
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Are you implying something, Detective?
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We believe that a hired
killer did Terry and Christine.
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And we're just trying to find
out who hired the shooter,
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who had a motive.
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So who knew Terry was a snitch?
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Yes.
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Well, then have you
considered that a division
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of your police force misplacing
Terry's informal file
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may have tipped a few people?
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Right now, we're more interested
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in the company you keep, Ms. Gobbo.
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The company I keep?
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Criminals
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But
I wasn't the only one.
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The police kept trying
to pin it on Paul Dale.
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I almost felt sorry for him.
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And how is it that you
own a mechanic business
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in Wangaratta and a large house on-
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I saved,
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that's how.
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If you look at my finances,
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I'm sure you already have,
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there's nothing dodgy there.
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In 2004, you used a
burner phone registered
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under the name Darren Johnson
to contact Nicola Gobbo.
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Did she tell you that?
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Well,
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you contacted her over 150 times.
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Is that to organize meetings
between you and Carl Williams?
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I never met with Carl Williams,
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not like he said.
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Then why so many calls to Ms. Gobbo?
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I used phones purchased under
a false name to contact her
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because we were having an affair.
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You were having a sexual
relationship with Ms. Gobbo?
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I wouldn't call it a relationship,
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it was more like a one night stand.
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And I used a burner phone
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because
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I didn't want my wife to find out.
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Well, she denies any
sexual relationship with you.
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You believe her?
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Thank you,
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detective.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Do you think we're moving too fast?
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Dale doesn't look like
he's about to crack.
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We only have three witnesses that put
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Dale close to the Hodson murders.
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They're all criminals.
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And the main one is Carl Williams.
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Nicola Gobbo,
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she puts Dale close.
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She's the key.
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Yeah.
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Hey.
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You don't look so good.
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People keep saying that.
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At least they're telling the truth of it.
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How are you doing in here?
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Prison is a barrel of fun.
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I could tell you stories
about the times in here.
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You know how much I love a good story
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but
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I don't much feel like it.
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You're angry at me, Juicy?
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Why would I be angry?
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I was
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forced
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into it.
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The cops made me turn on you.
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Did you send me to prison
so that I'd hate you?
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Were you that scared?
-Juicy.
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Why did you tell them about the van?
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I was trying to help you.
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You got me fucking arrested.
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I got you an 18 month sentence.
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I'm not some client you do deals for.
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It was me, Nic.
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Me.
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Tudge is doing 15 years.
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You were gonna get caught.
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Get the same as him.
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I got you out.
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It was my life!
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I make those calls, not you!
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Guard, get me out of here.
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Nicola, it has been so long.
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That's my fault.
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No, no, no, don't touch.
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Don't touch, please, I'm sick.
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Kids, you know what they
should really be called?
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Little germ bags.
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Thank God, it's such a relief leaving them
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with the nanny for a couple of hours.
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How many kids do you have now?
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Three.
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You remember that.
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Yeah, of course, I remember.
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Just so much going on.
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I thought I might've missed one.
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It's nice to see you out of
the house for a change, Nic.
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Is everything okay?
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Yeah, great.
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Are you in trouble?
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When haven't I been?
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You were right, Emma.
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I am addicted to it,
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the life.
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Oh, sweetheart.
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After all these complaints
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about me being an informer,
it was sort of ironic
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when the chicks came home
to roost for Carl Williams.
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What's the matter?
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Nothing.
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You're looking at me like
I've got a turd on my head.
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Do I have a turd on my head?
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Do I have a turd on my head?
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No.
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00:15:42,119 --> 00:15:43,739
No, there's no turd, mate.
276
00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:45,839
Then what's the matter?
277
00:15:47,359 --> 00:15:49,259
Rumors, mate.
278
00:15:49,358 --> 00:15:51,358
What rumors?
279
00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:53,718
Word is, you talked.
280
00:15:54,078 --> 00:15:55,138
You know I stick fat.
281
00:15:55,238 --> 00:15:57,058
Yeah, we know Carl,
but just people have-
282
00:15:57,158 --> 00:15:59,418
You think after all
this time I'd turn dog?
283
00:15:59,518 --> 00:16:00,658
You're looking at 35 years.
284
00:16:00,758 --> 00:16:01,658
Fuck you.
285
00:16:01,758 --> 00:16:02,618
I'm just saying-
286
00:16:02,718 --> 00:16:03,898
We've been mates 15 years.
287
00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:04,857
I know, but it-
288
00:16:04,957 --> 00:16:06,957
Don't say it again!
289
00:16:15,557 --> 00:16:17,917
You think the same, matey,
you think I'm talking?
290
00:16:18,877 --> 00:16:21,457
Look, I've been making some shit up,
291
00:16:21,556 --> 00:16:23,836
stringing the jacks
along, getting some perks.
292
00:16:25,116 --> 00:16:26,976
Don't be like every other
brain dead maggot in here
293
00:16:27,076 --> 00:16:29,076
and believe jack rumors.
294
00:16:29,596 --> 00:16:31,056
I chose to be in this unit with you
295
00:16:31,156 --> 00:16:33,156
blokes because we're mates.
296
00:16:35,516 --> 00:16:37,016
You know me,
297
00:16:37,115 --> 00:16:38,615
I'm no dog.
298
00:16:42,035 --> 00:16:44,035
You know that, right?
299
00:16:45,395 --> 00:16:49,775
Yeah.
300
00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:51,875
Right, matey?
301
00:16:54,474 --> 00:16:56,054
Yeah, Carl.
302
00:16:56,154 --> 00:16:58,154
We're all good.
303
00:17:01,954 --> 00:17:04,914
And you bring me the next
fucking prick who calls me dog.
304
00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:15,073
For the moment,
305
00:17:15,153 --> 00:17:17,273
Carl convinced them he was staunch.
306
00:17:23,353 --> 00:17:26,573
But right about then his
old mate, Rod Collins
307
00:17:26,672 --> 00:17:29,312
was convicted for two
murders he did 20 years ago.
308
00:17:35,712 --> 00:17:37,732
He killed a crim and his wife.
309
00:17:37,832 --> 00:17:40,212
Cops figured these past
murders put Collins
310
00:17:40,312 --> 00:17:42,312
in the frame for the Hodson's.
311
00:17:45,031 --> 00:17:47,031
It's the Abby's
312
00:17:47,991 --> 00:17:49,651
and the Hodson's,
313
00:17:49,751 --> 00:17:53,531
both execution style
with collateral damage,
314
00:17:53,631 --> 00:17:55,631
same memo as the Hodson murders.
315
00:17:57,310 --> 00:18:00,390
What, 'cause there's a bloke and a chic?
316
00:18:01,230 --> 00:18:03,990
It's the only similarities I see.
317
00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:05,690
So the fuck what?
318
00:18:05,790 --> 00:18:08,510
So the fuck you're in
here for 32 years, Rod.
319
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:11,530
You're 53.
320
00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:14,090
Do you wanna get out of here alive?
321
00:18:14,189 --> 00:18:16,089
Carl Williams gave us a statement saying
322
00:18:16,189 --> 00:18:18,189
that you did some work for him.
323
00:18:18,589 --> 00:18:20,589
What kind of work?
324
00:18:21,229 --> 00:18:22,089
Why don't you tell us?
325
00:18:22,189 --> 00:18:24,229
I think you mean around the house work,
326
00:18:25,789 --> 00:18:27,689
did some gardening,
327
00:18:27,789 --> 00:18:29,369
washed his windows,
328
00:18:29,468 --> 00:18:32,548
hung his drapes, yeah?
329
00:18:33,908 --> 00:18:35,488
Housework.
330
00:18:35,588 --> 00:18:37,688
Are you finished, playing around?
331
00:18:37,788 --> 00:18:39,048
I'm playing around, am I?
332
00:18:39,148 --> 00:18:43,408
How do I really know that you
got a statement from Carl?
333
00:18:43,508 --> 00:18:44,408
Well, he's in here.
334
00:18:44,508 --> 00:18:47,088
Why don't you talk to him yourself?
335
00:18:47,187 --> 00:18:48,247
If you'd back up his statement,
336
00:18:48,347 --> 00:18:50,407
maybe I can give you a future.
337
00:18:50,507 --> 00:18:52,247
You want a bit of the
Hodson reward money?
338
00:18:52,347 --> 00:18:54,807
Well, if your
information is on the mark,
339
00:18:54,907 --> 00:18:56,367
I don't see why you can't split it.
340
00:18:56,467 --> 00:18:58,487
Split it, huh?
341
00:18:58,587 --> 00:19:00,047
Me and Carl,
342
00:19:00,147 --> 00:19:01,847
halfsies.
343
00:19:01,946 --> 00:19:03,246
I don't think.
344
00:19:03,346 --> 00:19:05,846
I hear the cop you had
for the Hudson murders
345
00:19:05,946 --> 00:19:07,946
has a really good alibi.
346
00:19:08,906 --> 00:19:10,606
Aren't you're worried about that?
347
00:19:10,706 --> 00:19:13,726
Or maybe haven't you
ever thought like I do?
348
00:19:13,826 --> 00:19:15,486
That when someone has a really good alibi
349
00:19:15,586 --> 00:19:17,526
that just, just maybe
350
00:19:17,626 --> 00:19:19,866
they got something to hide.
351
00:19:23,025 --> 00:19:25,525
So Rod
points the finger at Paul Dale
352
00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:27,885
and the cops took the
psychopath at his word.
353
00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:37,424
Let's go.
354
00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:41,964
Hello Dale, we're here to arrest you
355
00:19:42,064 --> 00:19:43,884
for the murders of Terry
and Christine Hodson.
356
00:19:43,984 --> 00:19:46,484
There's no need to handcuff
me, I'm not gonna run.
357
00:19:46,584 --> 00:19:48,584
Yeah, all right.
358
00:19:51,503 --> 00:19:53,203
Geez, who do you think I am, Ned Kelly?
359
00:19:53,303 --> 00:19:54,683
Do you have anything to say, Paul?
360
00:19:54,783 --> 00:19:55,963
Yes. I'm innocent.
361
00:19:56,063 --> 00:19:57,043
I want to get that bit for once.
362
00:19:57,143 --> 00:19:58,003
I'm being framed.
363
00:19:58,103 --> 00:20:00,103
Print that for once.
364
00:20:01,143 --> 00:20:02,523
It's fine
365
00:20:02,623 --> 00:20:05,523
This is all gonna be over.
366
00:20:05,623 --> 00:20:07,623
Get your hands for once.
367
00:20:08,742 --> 00:20:10,682
Go back inside this.
368
00:20:10,782 --> 00:20:12,782
Fuck.
369
00:20:18,222 --> 00:20:20,222
Fuck.
370
00:20:30,181 --> 00:20:31,061
Mate, you're gonna have to pull over.
371
00:20:31,141 --> 00:20:33,141
I've got to take a leak.
372
00:20:33,661 --> 00:20:34,921
You will when
we get to Melbourne.
373
00:20:35,021 --> 00:20:37,021
But that's three hours away.
374
00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:40,360
I'm not joking, mate, I'm bursting.
375
00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:42,680
I'm not gonna be able to
hang onto it that long.
376
00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:45,060
We're stopping
in Melbourne, mate.
377
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:55,280
Are you pissing on the floor?
378
00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:56,799
Yeah.
379
00:20:56,899 --> 00:20:58,279
You'll be cleaning it
up when we get there.
380
00:20:58,379 --> 00:21:00,379
You reckon?
381
00:21:16,738 --> 00:21:19,558
If you plead guilty,
you'll get consideration
382
00:21:19,658 --> 00:21:20,958
and possibly a lighter sentence.
383
00:21:21,058 --> 00:21:24,138
I'm not pleading guilty to
something that I didn't do.
384
00:21:26,138 --> 00:21:28,138
They got me in solitary confinement,
385
00:21:29,417 --> 00:21:31,717
had me locked up next to
fucking Muslim terrorists.
386
00:21:31,817 --> 00:21:32,557
Paul.
387
00:21:32,657 --> 00:21:33,517
Why would I kill the Hodson's
388
00:21:33,617 --> 00:21:34,817
if I had nothing to do
with the Oakley robbery.
389
00:21:34,897 --> 00:21:37,017
It just, it doesn't make sense.
390
00:21:38,617 --> 00:21:39,557
But we have statements.
391
00:21:39,657 --> 00:21:40,677
Yeah, but from who?
392
00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:42,777
From fucking Carl Williams.
393
00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:44,837
He's lying.
394
00:21:44,936 --> 00:21:46,236
He's looking at 35 years.
395
00:21:46,336 --> 00:21:48,756
He's just saying whatever you wanna hear.
396
00:21:48,856 --> 00:21:51,956
What deal did you give him
to make that statement?
397
00:21:52,056 --> 00:21:52,796
Paul.
398
00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:56,236
Has David Miechel ever
implicated me in the robbery?
399
00:21:56,336 --> 00:21:57,276
He's doing in 15 years.
400
00:21:57,376 --> 00:22:00,196
What would he never mention my name once
401
00:22:00,295 --> 00:22:02,295
when he could have cut a deal?
402
00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:03,555
I'll tell you why?
403
00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:06,315
Because he knows that I had nothing to do
404
00:22:06,415 --> 00:22:08,875
with the robberies or the murder.
405
00:22:17,894 --> 00:22:19,314
Nicola Gobbo.
406
00:22:19,414 --> 00:22:21,194
Nicola, it's Simon.
407
00:22:21,294 --> 00:22:22,114
We're close to moving forward
408
00:22:22,214 --> 00:22:24,114
and with all that's going on,
409
00:22:24,214 --> 00:22:25,154
we think it's best if you would
410
00:22:25,254 --> 00:22:27,254
reconsider witness protection.
411
00:22:28,574 --> 00:22:30,574
Your safety is our primary concern.
412
00:22:32,493 --> 00:22:33,273
Simon.
413
00:22:33,373 --> 00:22:34,113
Nicola.
414
00:22:34,213 --> 00:22:36,033
I've told you.
415
00:22:36,133 --> 00:22:39,493
Our assessment is word's
out you're talking to us.
416
00:22:41,173 --> 00:22:42,393
You're now at extreme risk.
417
00:22:42,493 --> 00:22:44,553
If I go into witness protection.
418
00:22:44,653 --> 00:22:46,713
Don't sit dog.
419
00:22:46,813 --> 00:22:49,873
If I go into wit sec,
everyone will know.
420
00:22:49,972 --> 00:22:51,672
No witness, if it's me.
421
00:22:51,772 --> 00:22:53,512
My only way-
-Nicola.
422
00:22:53,612 --> 00:22:57,092
My only way is to stay in the open,
423
00:22:58,092 --> 00:22:59,672
hide in plain sight.
424
00:22:59,772 --> 00:23:01,432
Nicola.
-My only shot.
425
00:23:01,532 --> 00:23:03,752
Plausible deniability.
426
00:23:03,852 --> 00:23:05,712
You know what that is, don't you, Simon?
427
00:23:50,489 --> 00:23:55,489
Hey, dog.
428
00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:16,527
Amongst it all,
429
00:24:16,607 --> 00:24:18,607
Juicy had served his time.
430
00:24:20,447 --> 00:24:22,447
It was really good to see him.
431
00:24:23,447 --> 00:24:25,067
I mean that.
432
00:24:25,166 --> 00:24:27,366
What do you wanna say to me?
433
00:24:28,526 --> 00:24:30,066
Just
434
00:24:30,166 --> 00:24:33,906
after next week, I might
be going away for a while
435
00:24:34,006 --> 00:24:36,006
and
436
00:24:36,726 --> 00:24:38,726
I wanted to apologize.
437
00:24:39,766 --> 00:24:41,766
Make amends.
438
00:24:42,085 --> 00:24:44,725
Bloody steps without being in bloody AA.
439
00:24:49,325 --> 00:24:51,505
They pushed me around,
440
00:24:51,605 --> 00:24:53,425
cops, crims, everyone.
441
00:24:53,525 --> 00:24:56,945
Nic, no one pushed you around.
442
00:24:57,045 --> 00:24:59,415
You might think I don't, but I know you.
443
00:24:59,524 --> 00:25:01,944
You love making things happen.
444
00:25:02,044 --> 00:25:04,084
Being at the center was always about you.
445
00:25:07,404 --> 00:25:09,404
What I don't understand,
446
00:25:11,524 --> 00:25:13,524
why didn't you give us a chance?
447
00:25:17,203 --> 00:25:19,063
I like to surround
myself with terrible men,
448
00:25:19,163 --> 00:25:21,623
you know that.
-Give me an answer.
449
00:25:21,723 --> 00:25:24,443
Did you ever really
think we'd up together?
450
00:25:26,363 --> 00:25:28,683
You settling down, with a dog,
451
00:25:30,602 --> 00:25:31,942
a white fence
452
00:25:32,042 --> 00:25:32,822
and
453
00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:34,922
yoga classes?
454
00:25:36,562 --> 00:25:38,562
Not with a dog.
455
00:25:39,002 --> 00:25:41,002
It's not me.
456
00:25:41,402 --> 00:25:42,382
It's not you either.
457
00:25:42,482 --> 00:25:45,542
It's the three daughters with three women.
458
00:25:54,041 --> 00:25:56,041
You got my number.
459
00:25:56,921 --> 00:25:58,921
We should grab a meal sometime.
460
00:26:01,561 --> 00:26:03,561
I'd like that, Kevin.
461
00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:26,179
I was too
scared to fight them anymore.
462
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:28,999
So I finally agreed to
accept police protection.
463
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,519
But I didn't settle too well.
464
00:26:36,438 --> 00:26:38,898
I was moved more than a dozen times,
465
00:26:38,998 --> 00:26:41,418
38 flights in 10 months
466
00:26:41,518 --> 00:26:43,978
$76.000 in hotel rooms
467
00:26:44,078 --> 00:26:46,258
$43.000 in allowances.
468
00:26:46,358 --> 00:26:48,178
Until finally,
469
00:26:48,278 --> 00:26:50,298
they settled me in Bali.
470
00:26:55,037 --> 00:26:57,737
For 24 hours a day, my
police protection watched me
471
00:26:57,837 --> 00:26:59,837
smash cocktails at the bar.
472
00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,257
You know who you remind me of?
473
00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:06,357
What's his name from the Muppets?
474
00:27:07,916 --> 00:27:09,296
Beaker.
475
00:27:09,396 --> 00:27:11,396
That's it.
476
00:27:12,356 --> 00:27:13,656
Look it up.
477
00:27:13,756 --> 00:27:15,756
I'm not lying.
478
00:27:18,276 --> 00:27:21,256
You know what I'm gonna
do when all this is over,
479
00:27:21,356 --> 00:27:23,356
when I'm rid of you lot.
480
00:27:25,235 --> 00:27:27,235
I'm gonna to open up a juice bar.
481
00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:31,095
No more grog.
482
00:27:31,195 --> 00:27:32,735
No more laughing.
483
00:27:32,835 --> 00:27:35,135
Nicola, someone here to see you.
484
00:27:35,235 --> 00:27:36,655
A visitor.
485
00:27:36,755 --> 00:27:38,575
I'm gonna need my car seat.
486
00:27:38,675 --> 00:27:40,485
Hello, Chikka.
487
00:27:40,594 --> 00:27:42,594
I'll need to speak with her alone.
488
00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:49,174
Hey.
489
00:27:49,274 --> 00:27:51,274
Hello.
490
00:27:55,513 --> 00:27:57,633
I was talking to someone in Melbourne.
491
00:27:59,673 --> 00:28:01,253
Yeah.
492
00:28:01,353 --> 00:28:03,353
He told me some things.
493
00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:08,093
He said they're gonna
present you as a witness
494
00:28:08,193 --> 00:28:10,193
at Paul Dale's murder committal.
495
00:28:11,233 --> 00:28:13,233
That's the plan.
496
00:28:14,352 --> 00:28:16,492
He said you've been informing
497
00:28:16,592 --> 00:28:20,172
against your own clients, is that true?
498
00:28:20,272 --> 00:28:22,272
Don't look so shocked.
499
00:28:22,672 --> 00:28:24,672
I crossed that line a long time ago.
500
00:28:26,392 --> 00:28:29,852
You know me, I'm an all or nothing girl.
501
00:28:29,951 --> 00:28:32,331
Who knows about this?
502
00:28:32,431 --> 00:28:35,031
That you've been informing
against your own clients.
503
00:28:36,791 --> 00:28:38,791
My handlers.
504
00:28:39,871 --> 00:28:41,871
Simon Overland,
505
00:28:43,631 --> 00:28:45,051
a few others.
506
00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:47,150
That's it.
507
00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:55,410
Chikka.
508
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:57,510
Susan.
509
00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:03,610
Commissioner Overland,
congratulations on your promotion.
510
00:29:03,709 --> 00:29:05,709
Thank you.
511
00:29:06,069 --> 00:29:07,809
I heard
512
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:09,909
you spoke to Nicola Gobbo.
513
00:29:10,709 --> 00:29:12,709
Yeah.
514
00:29:13,149 --> 00:29:15,149
What did she say?
515
00:29:15,549 --> 00:29:17,409
How can you use Gobbo as a witness,
516
00:29:17,508 --> 00:29:18,968
as an informer in her own case.
517
00:29:19,068 --> 00:29:19,968
She was their lawyer.
518
00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:21,328
Well, she was never representing them.
519
00:29:21,428 --> 00:29:22,368
She was one of them.
520
00:29:22,468 --> 00:29:24,288
A lawyer can't snitch
against her clients,
521
00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:26,168
that's as basic as it gets.
522
00:29:26,268 --> 00:29:29,248
Every time we register an
informer, there's a source test.
523
00:29:29,348 --> 00:29:31,088
Will their evidence withstand scrutiny?
524
00:29:31,188 --> 00:29:32,408
Would using it be ethical?
525
00:29:32,507 --> 00:29:33,267
Gobbo doesn't satisfy any of that.
526
00:29:33,347 --> 00:29:35,687
You want me to use the
greater good argument
527
00:29:35,787 --> 00:29:38,167
or the desperate times,
desperate measures argument.
528
00:29:38,267 --> 00:29:39,047
Don't patronize me.
529
00:29:39,147 --> 00:29:40,327
I'm not.
530
00:29:40,427 --> 00:29:42,207
But you must understand that Nicola Gobbo
531
00:29:42,307 --> 00:29:43,887
is the glittering prize.
532
00:29:43,987 --> 00:29:46,287
The insider we've been wanting for years.
533
00:29:46,387 --> 00:29:48,127
She can bring Dale to trial
534
00:29:48,227 --> 00:29:49,967
and she insists that
she wasn't his lawyer.
535
00:29:50,066 --> 00:29:52,406
It doesn't matter what Nicola insists.
536
00:29:52,506 --> 00:29:54,926
If Dale thought she was
his lawyer then she was.
537
00:29:55,026 --> 00:29:57,086
You studied law, you know that.
538
00:29:57,186 --> 00:29:59,966
If her testimony is allowed,
it will set a precedent
539
00:30:00,066 --> 00:30:02,966
that Victoria will be stuck with forever.
540
00:30:03,066 --> 00:30:04,246
You think a judge is gonna overlook
541
00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:05,806
200 years of legal privilege?
542
00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:07,045
her testimony
543
00:30:07,145 --> 00:30:09,325
will withstand scrutiny and
a judge will see it our way.
544
00:30:09,425 --> 00:30:10,445
Yes, and accept it.
-Oh come on.
545
00:30:10,545 --> 00:30:11,445
There was a problem.
546
00:30:11,545 --> 00:30:13,525
And I put methods in place to fix it.
547
00:30:13,625 --> 00:30:14,645
And it has been fixed.
548
00:30:14,745 --> 00:30:16,245
What you're doing goes against
549
00:30:16,345 --> 00:30:17,405
the code of every police-
550
00:30:17,505 --> 00:30:19,285
They're killing in front of kids.
551
00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:21,715
Killing innocent wives, crims have no -
552
00:30:21,824 --> 00:30:23,924
We're the fucking police,
553
00:30:24,024 --> 00:30:25,644
we're supposed to be better than them.
554
00:30:25,744 --> 00:30:28,044
And if her informer status comes out,
555
00:30:28,144 --> 00:30:30,944
all the convictions in her
cases will be thrown out.
556
00:30:39,823 --> 00:30:41,483
Can you say
557
00:30:41,583 --> 00:30:43,583
Royal Commission?
558
00:30:44,463 --> 00:30:45,403
Are you threatening me?
559
00:30:45,503 --> 00:30:47,843
No, I'm telling you straight up.
560
00:30:47,943 --> 00:30:49,983
I think you've made your point, Chikka.
561
00:30:58,342 --> 00:30:59,882
Get Gobbo back to Melbourne.
562
00:30:59,982 --> 00:31:01,982
Bring her back now.
563
00:31:15,501 --> 00:31:17,601
Former drug
squad detective Paul Dale
564
00:31:17,701 --> 00:31:19,921
has been released on
bail ahead of his trial
565
00:31:20,021 --> 00:31:23,001
for the murder of police
informer, Terrence Hodson.
566
00:31:23,101 --> 00:31:24,441
We go live now to the gates
567
00:31:24,541 --> 00:31:26,801
of Barwon prison for this special report.
568
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:27,720
How does it feel
569
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:29,720
to finally get released on bail?
570
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:31,160
How do you think it feels?
571
00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:33,320
They kept me in there for seven months.
572
00:31:33,420 --> 00:31:34,600
What do you plan to do now?
573
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:35,880
Prove I'm innocent.
574
00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:37,280
You'll see.
575
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:40,600
Do you have any
last words for Victoria Police?
576
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:44,040
I would just like to say
Victoria Police lost its way.
577
00:31:44,139 --> 00:31:46,919
When it walked into Barwon
Prison with an open checkbook
578
00:31:47,019 --> 00:31:48,999
and accepted the ravings of
a criminal who is prepared
579
00:31:49,099 --> 00:31:51,599
to say anything for a reduced sentence.
580
00:31:51,699 --> 00:31:52,879
Excuse me.
581
00:31:52,979 --> 00:31:54,159
So Carl Williams is lying.
582
00:31:54,259 --> 00:31:54,999
Yeah.
583
00:31:55,099 --> 00:31:57,239
Mate, yes, he's lying.
584
00:31:57,339 --> 00:31:58,479
He made everything up
585
00:31:58,578 --> 00:32:00,578
and I'll prove that at
my committal hearing.
586
00:32:02,778 --> 00:32:04,358
Don't tell me to calm down.
587
00:32:04,458 --> 00:32:05,198
Nicola.
588
00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:06,558
Dale's out.
589
00:32:06,658 --> 00:32:07,678
Why'd you let him out?
590
00:32:07,778 --> 00:32:09,878
The judge decided
that after seven months,
591
00:32:09,978 --> 00:32:11,438
bail was a suitable option.
592
00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,718
Fuck me, I'm gonna have another stroke.
593
00:32:13,818 --> 00:32:14,678
Well, don't do that.
594
00:32:14,777 --> 00:32:16,597
You testify on Monday.
595
00:32:16,697 --> 00:32:18,197
Get out.
596
00:32:18,297 --> 00:32:20,397
Get the fuck out of my house.
597
00:32:20,497 --> 00:32:22,497
I'll look after myself.
598
00:32:29,177 --> 00:32:29,937
Yes, of course,
599
00:32:30,017 --> 00:32:31,957
I was scared of testifying.
600
00:32:32,056 --> 00:32:34,056
Luckily, I didn't have to.
601
00:32:36,816 --> 00:32:38,816
Commissioner, you got a minute.
602
00:32:40,016 --> 00:32:42,016
What's she done?
603
00:32:45,416 --> 00:32:47,596
They say it's
stress-related, I wonder why.
604
00:32:47,695 --> 00:32:50,295
I'm glad to see you're
feeling better now.
605
00:32:51,175 --> 00:32:52,995
This looks better?
606
00:32:53,095 --> 00:32:56,115
Simon, I think I'm having
a nervous breakdown.
607
00:32:56,215 --> 00:32:58,075
You're not having a nervous breakdown.
608
00:32:58,175 --> 00:33:00,175
And I've been doing some thinking,
609
00:33:00,935 --> 00:33:02,985
I can't work as a lawyer anymore.
610
00:33:03,094 --> 00:33:05,334
It's gone, I'm finished.
611
00:33:06,574 --> 00:33:10,334
So I've been thinking
I need some recompense.
612
00:33:11,414 --> 00:33:12,634
Recompense?
613
00:33:12,734 --> 00:33:14,734
-$20 million.
614
00:33:15,094 --> 00:33:16,394
That should last the rest of my life.
615
00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:18,234
That's not...
616
00:33:18,334 --> 00:33:19,074
There's no way.
617
00:33:19,173 --> 00:33:20,833
It's what I want.
618
00:33:20,933 --> 00:33:22,513
20 million.
619
00:33:22,613 --> 00:33:24,093
So the
committal hearing was delayed
620
00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:26,173
while the police figured out what to do.
621
00:33:27,373 --> 00:33:30,513
But no one could have
expected what happened next.
622
00:33:31,453 --> 00:33:39,232
* Now I wanna be your dog *
623
00:33:39,332 --> 00:33:42,812
* Now I wanna be your dog *
624
00:33:45,252 --> 00:33:47,952
You'll make it the wrong place.
625
00:33:50,972 --> 00:33:53,652
* Well, come on *
626
00:34:14,490 --> 00:34:16,510
What you doing, matey?
627
00:34:16,610 --> 00:34:18,690
I'm just airing it out.
628
00:34:47,688 --> 00:34:52,548
* The devil, my conscience and I *
629
00:34:52,648 --> 00:34:57,028
* Had a discussion about you *
630
00:34:57,127 --> 00:35:01,907
* My conscience convinced me last night *
631
00:35:02,007 --> 00:35:06,787
* To turn around and come back to you *
632
00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:07,747
* The devil said *
633
00:35:07,847 --> 00:35:11,027
* hey, how do you stick to one girl *
634
00:35:11,127 --> 00:35:12,227
* Because I love her *
635
00:35:12,326 --> 00:35:14,146
Something terrible has happened.
636
00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:15,506
Carl's dead.
637
00:35:15,606 --> 00:35:16,426
Carl hit his head.
638
00:35:16,526 --> 00:35:21,526
* But there's many other
girls in this whole world *
639
00:35:25,046 --> 00:35:26,506
How
does the highest profile
640
00:35:26,606 --> 00:35:28,346
prisoner in Victoria get murdered
641
00:35:28,445 --> 00:35:31,465
in the state's most secure facility?
642
00:35:31,565 --> 00:35:32,785
Well,
643
00:35:32,885 --> 00:35:35,025
let's just say it took almost 30 minutes
644
00:35:35,125 --> 00:35:37,125
for the guards to respond.
645
00:35:40,445 --> 00:35:43,245
No one ever did time
because of Carl Williams.
646
00:35:45,764 --> 00:35:48,024
Mokbel once dubbed Carl
647
00:35:48,124 --> 00:35:50,124
the truth,
648
00:35:51,364 --> 00:35:53,364
smart ass.
649
00:35:55,724 --> 00:35:57,224
So the committal into Paul Dale
650
00:35:57,324 --> 00:35:59,684
and the killing of the
Hodson's was never held.
651
00:36:02,923 --> 00:36:04,923
Paul got his life back.
652
00:36:08,323 --> 00:36:10,343
As for me,
653
00:36:10,443 --> 00:36:12,443
I had one last thing to do,
654
00:36:15,323 --> 00:36:16,503
lawyer up.
655
00:36:29,962 --> 00:36:31,902
So we are agreed,
656
00:36:32,002 --> 00:36:36,122
$2.9 million as compensation
for loss of future income.
657
00:36:37,961 --> 00:36:39,581
I was assured that I'd be compensated
658
00:36:39,681 --> 00:36:42,261
for helping Victorian Police,
and be left no worse off.
659
00:36:42,361 --> 00:36:44,141
$2.9 million is a bargain.
660
00:36:44,241 --> 00:36:45,581
We've all heard your arguments,
661
00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:47,501
Ms. Gobbo and accepted the sum.
662
00:36:47,601 --> 00:36:49,601
There's no need for more grandstanding.
663
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,420
It's in the best interest
of everyone in this room
664
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,660
that the amount paid and your role
665
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,460
as a police informer is never revealed.
666
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,380
Overriding any personal grievances,
667
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,220
the most important concern for all of us
668
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,460
must be that the public
doesn't lose confidence
669
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:08,419
in our police force or
in our judicial system.
670
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:11,079
So would anyone like to
add anything to the record?
671
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:16,099
Yes, I wish to add something.
672
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:22,899
When we realized that,
Ms. Gobbo must be called
673
00:37:22,998 --> 00:37:26,018
as a witness, Victoria Police immediately
674
00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,538
stopped using her as an informer.
675
00:37:28,638 --> 00:37:29,618
I want that on the record.
676
00:37:29,718 --> 00:37:30,618
So noted.
677
00:37:30,718 --> 00:37:33,218
And I want it noted,
the Victoria Police broke
678
00:37:33,318 --> 00:37:35,598
no laws in using Ms. Gobbo as a source.
679
00:37:37,038 --> 00:37:39,138
The first duty of any officer
680
00:37:39,237 --> 00:37:41,577
is to preserve life and property
681
00:37:41,677 --> 00:37:45,117
that is instilled in us at
the outset of our careers.
682
00:37:46,717 --> 00:37:49,857
I was trying to clean up
the streets of Melbourne.
683
00:37:49,957 --> 00:37:51,857
That was the right thing to do.
684
00:37:51,957 --> 00:37:53,417
It was my job.
685
00:37:53,517 --> 00:37:55,657
And I did it.
686
00:37:55,756 --> 00:37:58,916
And if I may add, no
matter what anyone says,
687
00:37:59,756 --> 00:38:01,736
I was on the side of the angels.
688
00:38:06,636 --> 00:38:08,996
And if I may add for the record,
689
00:38:10,355 --> 00:38:12,615
everything I did was done
out of my sense of duty
690
00:38:12,715 --> 00:38:15,655
to serve justice and not help criminals.
691
00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:19,335
I was motivated by altruism
rather than personal gain.
692
00:38:19,435 --> 00:38:22,055
Anything told to me about
crimes being planned
693
00:38:22,155 --> 00:38:23,815
or committed cannot ever fall under
694
00:38:23,915 --> 00:38:25,935
the protection of legal privilege.
695
00:38:26,035 --> 00:38:27,845
That is just thieves, murderers
696
00:38:27,954 --> 00:38:30,294
and drug dealers complaining.
697
00:38:30,394 --> 00:38:34,174
386 people were arrested because
of information I provided.
698
00:38:34,274 --> 00:38:36,494
And $60 million in assets was recovered
699
00:38:36,594 --> 00:38:38,594
by the state of Victoria.
700
00:38:40,554 --> 00:38:42,734
I too was on the side of the angels.
701
00:39:03,992 --> 00:39:05,972
Do you think that,
702
00:39:06,072 --> 00:39:08,252
that they're both on
the side of the angels?
703
00:39:08,352 --> 00:39:10,092
It doesn't matter what I think
704
00:39:10,192 --> 00:39:12,012
you've clearly made up your mind.
705
00:39:12,112 --> 00:39:14,112
Why do you think she did it?
706
00:39:14,991 --> 00:39:17,411
I think Nicola liked being in control
707
00:39:17,511 --> 00:39:19,651
and it blew up in her face.
708
00:39:19,751 --> 00:39:21,611
If this comes out,
709
00:39:21,711 --> 00:39:23,011
informer 3838,
710
00:39:23,111 --> 00:39:25,011
their own lawyer working against them.
711
00:39:25,111 --> 00:39:27,171
Can you imagine the shit-storm?
712
00:39:27,271 --> 00:39:30,371
Crims would be jumping up
and down to be set free.
713
00:39:30,471 --> 00:39:32,471
This will never come out.
714
00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:36,570
* Just looking for a protector *
715
00:39:36,670 --> 00:39:39,290
* God never reached out in time *
716
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:42,130
* There's love that is a savior *
717
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:44,890
* But that ain't no love of mine *
718
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:48,050
* My Love it kills me slowly *
719
00:39:48,149 --> 00:39:50,529
* Slowly, I could die *
720
00:39:50,629 --> 00:39:53,329
* And when she sleeps
she hears the blues *
721
00:39:53,429 --> 00:39:58,429
* Sees shades of black and white *
722
00:40:01,069 --> 00:40:03,369
* Got to stay cool you hot, hot head *
723
00:40:03,468 --> 00:40:06,208
* Count to a thousand
before you sleep in bed *
724
00:40:06,308 --> 00:40:09,048
* Read the news, pass the time *
725
00:40:09,148 --> 00:40:11,968
* Drink the juice, feeling fine *
726
00:40:12,068 --> 00:40:14,648
* Got to stay cool you hot, hot head *
727
00:40:14,748 --> 00:40:17,368
* Count to a thousand
before you sleep in bed *
728
00:40:17,468 --> 00:40:20,208
* Read the news, pass the time *
729
00:40:20,307 --> 00:40:23,767
* Drink the juice, feeling fine *
730
00:40:23,867 --> 00:40:25,927
* At least you're not boring *
731
00:40:26,027 --> 00:40:31,027
* No one wants to feel you this sad *
732
00:40:35,427 --> 00:40:38,247
* Just looking for a protector *
733
00:40:38,346 --> 00:40:40,766
* God never reached out in time *
734
00:40:40,866 --> 00:40:43,606
* There's love, that is a savior *
735
00:40:43,706 --> 00:40:46,286
* That ain't no love of mine *
736
00:40:46,386 --> 00:40:49,446
* My Love it kills me slowly, *
737
00:40:49,546 --> 00:40:52,046
* Slowly I could die *
738
00:40:52,145 --> 00:40:54,805
* And when she sleeps
she hears the blues *
739
00:40:54,905 --> 00:40:58,985
* Sees shades of black and white *
740
00:41:15,144 --> 00:41:16,764
Nicola Gobbo.
741
00:41:19,764 --> 00:41:23,764
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