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IN MAY 2018,

FBI CRIME ANALYST
CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO,

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FORENSICS
EXPERT DR. ANGELA WILLIAMSON,

AND TEXAS RANGER JIM HOLLAND
ARE AT THE END OF A LONG DAY

INTERVIEWING CONVICTED KILLER
SAMUEL LITTLE.

THEY'D HOPED TO GET
HIS CONFESSION

FOR THE 1994 MURDER
OF DENISE BROTHERS.

THEY GOT MUCH MORE
THAN THEY EVER IMAGINED.

HE NAILED EVERY ASPECT
OF THEIR INTERACTION,

DESCRIBING THE SCENE
WHERE HE LEFT HER,

WHAT HE DID TO HER,

ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE KNEW
ABOUT THE CASE.

NOW HE HAD HIS CHANCE
TO TELL THESE STORIES

AND A VERY RAPT AUDIENCE
TO TELL THEM TO,

SO I THINK THE FLOODGATES
JUST KIND OF OPENED.

SAMUEL LITTLE
SAID HIS FIRST HOMICIDE

WAS 1970.

1970 TO 2005 IS WHEN WE KNOW
THAT HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE.

DR. JONI JOHNSTON
IS NOT INVOLVED

IN ANY INVESTIGATIONS
OF SAMUEL LITTLE,

THOUGH SHE IS AN EXPERT
ON SERIAL KILLERS.

A 35-YEAR CAREER
IS INCREDIBLY LONG.

IT IS REALLY UNPRECEDENTED
TO HAVE A SERIAL KILLER

WHO STARTS AROUND AGE 29 TO 30

AND COMMITS HIS LAST MURDER
AT 65.

MORE THAN THREE DECADES OF DEATH

WITH SCORES OF VICTIMS.

HE'D NEVER TALLIED IT UP.

HE HAD REALLY NO IDEA
HOW MANY HE KILLED.

HE STARTED TO DO STATE LISTS

AND THEN NUMBERS PER STATE.

THAT'S WHEN WE GOT
TO THE NUMBER,

WHICH WAS PRETTY STAGGERING.

IT CAME OUT TO OVER 90 VICTIMS

THAT HE WAS CLAIMING
RESPONSIBILITY FOR KILLING.

THE TEAM HAS JUST
ONE MORE DAY WITH LITTLE

AND SO MUCH GROUND TO COVER.

WE WANTED TO KEEP HIM TALKING.

HE'S ELDERLY.
HE HAD HEALTH ISSUES.

WE KNEW THAT HE WOULD TAKE
THOSE SECRETS WITH HIM.

THAT IS, UNLESS THE
TEAM CAN GET HIM BACK TO TEXAS

TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

HOLLAND PROMISES TO GET
THE DEATH PENALTY WAIVED

IF LITTLE PLEADS GUILTY
TO DENISE'S KILLING.

AT THEIR HOTEL LATER THAT NIGHT,

THE TEAM'S WORK HAS JUST BEGUN.

WE RECONVENED BACK IN ONE ROOM.

JIM WAS ON THE PHONE
WORKING WITH THE PROSECUTOR.

LITTLE HAD SAID
HE WANTED A LETTER.

JIM WAS TRYING TO
MAKE THAT HAPPEN

SO HE COULD BRING IT TO LITTLE
THE NEXT DAY AND SHOW HIM,

"HEY, LOOK,
I'M A MAN OF MY WORD.

YOU SAID GET THIS FOR YOU.
I GOT IT FOR YOU.

LET'S TALK SOME MORE."

STILL, ONE BIG QUESTION LINGERS.

CAN LITTLE BE TRUSTED?

WHEN KNEW ODESSA LOOKED GREAT
IN TERMS OF HIS TRUTHFULNESS,

HIS ACCURACY, HIS RECOLLECTION.

BUT WE'RE LIKE,
"ARE THESE OTHER CASES REAL?"

I WAS THE NAYSAYER OF THE GROUP.

WHEN WE'RE IN THE '90s,

I THOUGHT, NO WAY.
HE'S EXAGGERATING.

THEY PORE OVER LITTLE'S STORIES,

NOTING EVERY TINY DETAIL.

WE HAD THE CONFESSION REPLAYING,

AND ANGELA AND I ARE
RELISTENING TO THE INTERVIEW,

TAKING MORE NOTES,

AND THEN WE'RE FURIOUSLY
SEARCHING ON THE INTERNET.

WE'RE IN ViCAP.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND CASES

THAT ARE MATCHING BACK UP
TO HIS CONFESSION.

ALL OF A SUDDEN,
I JUST KIND OF FROZE.

AND ANGELA LOOKS OVER AT ME,
AND SHE'S LIKE, "WHAT?"

I SAID, "I THINK I FOUND NANCY."

SAMUEL LITTLE CONFESSED
TO KILLING A WOMAN

HE KNEW AS NANCY IN 2005,

AND HE TOLD US THAT SHE WAS
HIS VERY LAST ONE.

IN THE SUMMER OF 2005,

DETECTIVE NADIS CARLISLE
CATCHES A MURDER CASE

FROM OVER THE BORDER
IN MISSISSIPPI.

WE GOT A CALL THAT NANCY STEVENS

HAD TURNED UP DEAD

THREE MILES
FROM TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,

WHERE SHE DIED
FROM MANUAL STRANGULATION.

TWO PASSING MOTORISTS
WERE GOING DOWN THE ROAD

AND SAW HER BODY
DUMPED UNCEREMONIOUSLY.

I WANTED TO BE THE ONE
TO MAKE THE DEATH NOTIFICATION

BECAUSE I DID KNOW
THE FAMILY MEMBERS.

CARLISLE PLAYED FOOTBALL WITH
NANCY'S BROTHERS IN HIGH SCHOOL.

NANCY WAS A STRAIGHT-A STUDENT.

SHE WAS A SWEET PERSON.
SHE WAS A TRUSTING PERSON.

SHE JUST GOT ALONG
WITH EVERYONE THAT I KNEW OF.

OH, YEAH, SHE WAS REAL SMART.

AFTER HIGH SCHOOL,
ME AND HER ACTUALLY WENT

TO CALHOUN COMMUNITY COLLEGE
TOGETHER,

AND WE WAS TAKING CLASSES THERE.

BUT WITH A YOUNG SON
TO SUPPORT, NANCY LEFT COLLEGE

FOR AN ASSEMBLY LINE JOB
AT GENERAL MOTORS.

THAT'S WHEN
WE START NOTICING THE CHANGE.

SHE JUST GOT HOLD TO
THE WRONG... THE WRONG DRUG.

YOU KNOW?

SHE GOT HOOKED ON CRACK.

MY MAMA WOULD JUST STAY
ON HER A LOT AND TELLING HER,

"YOU NEED TO QUIT
RUNNING THE STREETS."

STOP GETTING IN CARS WITH PEOPLE
YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW,

'CAUSE THEY GONNA
TAKE YOU SOMEWHERE AND HURT YOU,

AND WE WON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.

SHE WOULD TAKE TRIPS.
SHE HAD A COUPLE OF FRIENDS.

SHE WOULD GO OUT OF TOWN.

NANCY LEAVES TOWN
ON ONE OF THOSE TRIPS

IN AUGUST 2005.

WE WERE USED TO OUR GOING OFF
AND STAYING A COUPLE OF NIGHTS.

WE DIDN'T THINK NOTHING OF IT.
WE JUST FIGURED, YOU KNOW,

SHE'LL BE BACK
IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

THIS TIME,
NANCY DOESN'T COME BACK.

I HATED TO MAKE
THE DEATH NOTIFICATION,

BUT I DID WANT TO BE
THE ONE TO MAKE IT.

I WAS HOPING THAT WOULD
MAKE IT EASIER,

BUT IT'S NEVER EASY.

IT WAS PRETTY TOUGH.

IN TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,

WHERE NANCY'S BODY IS FOUND,
THERE ARE FEW LEADS.

BACK HOME IN DECATUR,

CARLISLE TRACKS DOWN
A POTENTIAL SUSPECT...

A TRUCK DRIVER KNOWN
FOR GIVING NANCY RIDES.

I TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS
FACING A HOMICIDE CHARGE,

THAT WE THOUGHT
HE HAD KILLED NANCY.

BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE NEARLY
THE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE WE NEEDED

TO CHARGE HIM WITH HOMICIDE,
SO WE DIDN'T.

CARLISLE RELEASES
THE TRUCK DRIVER,

AND AS THE MONTHS GO BY,
NO NEW SUSPECTS EMERGE.

I KNEW NADIS WAS WORKING ON IT,
BUT THEY JUST RAN OUT OF LEADS.

WE WERE UNABLE TO
FIND OUT WHO HER KILLER WAS,

BUT I NEVER GAVE UP.

I DID NOT KNOW WHAT
THE ANSWER WOULD BE,

BUT I ALWAYS KEPT HOPE,

KEPT HOPE THAT SOMEDAY
SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN.

ON THE 10th
ANNIVERSARY OF NANCY'S MURDER,

CARLISLE CONVINCES HER SON

TO TALK TO THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER
ABOUT THE CASE.

THREE YEARS LATER,

THAT STORY GRABS
PALAZZOLO'S ATTENTION.

I WAS ON THE COMPUTER,

AND I FOUND A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE

WHERE THEY HAD INTERVIEWED
THE SON OF A WOMAN

NAMED NANCY STEVENS
WHO HAD BEEN KILLED IN 2005,

WHOSE BODY WAS FOUND
ON A ROADSIDE

JUST OUTSIDE OF
TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI.

I REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY
THEY HAVE A PICTURE

OF HER SON IN HIS BEDROOM

POINTING TO A PICTURE
OF HIS MOM ON THE WALL.

HE SAID THAT HE DROVE
WITH NANCY TO

THAT PLACE TO MISSISSIPPI
WHERE ELVIS HAD A HOME.

HE COULDN'T REMEMBER
THE NAME OF THE TOWN,

BUT THAT'S WHAT
HE ASSOCIATED WITH.

AND IT TURNS OUT HE HAD A HOME
IN TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,

AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS
WERE FALLING INTO PLACE.

THAT'S WHEN I KNEW WE HAD
SOMETHING MORE ON OUR HANDS,

THAT MAYBE HE REALLY WAS
TELLING THE TRUTH.

IF HE REALLY IS GOOD
FOR THIS MANY CASES,

THINK OF HOW MANY CASE CLOSURES
WE CAN MAKE

THAT WOULD HELP
SO MANY FAMILIES OUT THERE.

WE KNEW THIS WAS
GOING TO BE BIG.

RANGER JIM HOLLAND
ENDS THE FIRST DAY OF INTERVIEWS

ON SAMUEL LITTLE'S GOOD SIDE,

BUT THE TEAM KNOWS THAT
COULD CHANGE IN A HEARTBEAT.

THE BIGGEST FEAR WAS
THAT SOMETHING WOULD ANNOY HIM,

AND HE WOULD STOP COMMUNICATING,

THAT HE WOULD JUST TELL US
TO GET LOST.

WE KNEW WHAT WE HAD TO LOSE.

IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU THINK
SOMEONE'S LYING.

IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU THINK,

"I'VE GOT ALL THE CASES
OUT OF THEM."

WE KNEW WE DIDN'T.

AT THE START OF THE
SECOND DAY OF QUESTIONING,

THE STAKES COULDN'T BE HIGHER.

"TO WHO IT MAY CONCERN,

THE ECTOR COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY,

R.N. "BOBBY" BLAND, WILL AGREE
TO WAIVE THE DEATH PENALTY

AGAINST SAMUEL McDOWELL,
A.K.A. SAMUEL LITTLE,

IN EXCHANGE FOR A PLEA OF GUILTY

AND AGREED SENTENCE
OF LIFE IMPRISONMENT

TO THE MURDER
OF DENISE CHRISTIE BROTHERS."

BUT LITTLE IS WARY
OF POLICE BEARING GIFTS.

YEAH.

IT'S TIME TO MAKE
ONE FINAL PITCH.

IT'S THE BREAKTHROUGH
THE TEAM'S BEEN HOPING FOR.

LITTLE AGREES TO EXTRADITION
BACK TO TEXAS,

BUT HOLLAND STILL NEEDS
MORE EVIDENCE

TO PROVE LITTLE KILLED
DENISE BROTHERS.

PROSECUTORS SAID,
"ALL WE HAVE IS HIS CONFESSION,

AND IT'S A GOOD ONE.

BUT YOU GOT TO GIVE ME SOMETHING
THAT NO ONE ELSE COULD KNOW

THAT HASN'T
ALREADY BEEN DISCOVERED."

AND SO JIM WENT BACK
TO LITTLE AND SAID,

"ALL RIGHT, TELL ME MORE."

HOLLAND STARTS PROBING
FOR BASIC FACTS.

SO FAR, LITTLE HASN'T
REVEALED ANYTHING

ONLY THE KILLER WOULD KNOW.

HOLLAND PRESSES HIM HARDER
FOR SPECIFICS.

FINALLY, A POTENTIAL CLUE
HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT.

HE STARTED DESCRIBING
THIS OTHER PIPE THAT WAS THERE,

AND SO THEY WENT THROUGH
THEIR CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS,

AND THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING

THAT MATCHED UP
WITH THIS DESCRIPTION.

AND A LITTLE LATER ON, THEY WENT
BACK TO THE EVIDENCE ROOM,

AND THEY FOUND A ROLL
OF 35-MILLIMETER FILM

THAT HAD NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.

AND SURE ENOUGH,
THEY WERE CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS.

AND IN ONE OF THEM,
IT SHOWED THIS PIPE

THAT LITTLE HAD BEEN DESCRIBING.

THE TEAM SHARES THEIR
FINDINGS WITH THE D.A.'S OFFICE.

THAT WAS ENOUGH
THAT FINALLY THE PROSECUTOR

WAS LIKE, "THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED.

NOBODY ELSE KNEW ABOUT THIS.

HE WAS ABLE TO DESCRIBE THAT
WITH SUCH ACCURATE DETAIL.

THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED."

FOR DENISE'S SON DAMIEN,

THE 24 YEARS SINCE HER MURDER
HAVE TAKEN THEIR TOLL.

AFTER YEARS AND YEARS
OF MY MOM BEING MISSING,

IT'S THAT POINT
WHERE YOU KIND OF JUST

THROW YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR
AND YOU GIVE UP.

IT TAKES A LOT
TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING

ALL YOUR LIFE LIKE THIS.

AND IT'S NOT EASY, YOU KNOW?

THERE WAS SOMEBODY
FOR EACH OF THESE VICTIMS

THAT ABSOLUTELY MISSED THEM,
THAT LOVED THEM,

THAT HAS BEEN WONDERING ALL OF
THIS TIME WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.

IN JUST TWO DAYS OF INTERVIEWS,

THE TEAM IS ON THEIR WAY
TO CLOSING THE CASES

OF DENISE BROTHERS
AND NANCY STEVENS,

WITH LEADS ON ALMOST 20 MORE.

EVEN SO, THEY HAVE
AN UPHILL BATTLE AHEAD OF THEM.

AFTER HE INDICATED
HOW MANY HE KILLED,

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE DIDN'T LOSE THE CHANCE

TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

WE KNEW THERE WAS ALMOST
100 CASES TO RISK.

IT WAS HUGE PRESSURE
TO GET HIM EXTRADITED

SO HE WOULD TELL US
ABOUT THE REST.

CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO,
ANGELA WILLIAMSON,

AND JIM HOLLAND
HAVE EXTRACTED 20 CONFESSIONS

FROM SERIAL KILLER
SAMUEL LITTLE.

WE WERE ONLY IN INTERVIEWS
WITH LITTLE FOR TWO DAYS.

HE HAD GIVEN US SPECIFIC,
DETAILED CONFESSIONS

FOR 20 CASES,

BUT WE KNEW THAT, THEREFORE,
WE HAD ALMOST 70 MORE

THAT WE NEEDED TO GET OUT OF HIM

THAT HE TOLD US HE WOULD TELL US
ABOUT WHEN HE GOT TO TEXAS.

SO EXTRADITION TO TEXAS
WAS OUR NUMBER-ONE PRIORITY.

WHILE HOLLAND GETS
STARTED ON THAT FRONT,

PALAZZOLO AND WILLIAMSON
HEAD BACK TO THE FBI.

GETTING LITTLE TO TEXAS
IS NO EASY FEAT.

THAT WHOLE PROCESS...
IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.

THERE ARE A LOT OF APPROVALS.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF HICCUPS
ALONG THE ROAD.

AND THAT WAS
THE BIGGEST STRESS ON ALL OF US,

MAKING SURE WE COULD GET HIM
EXTRADITED TO TEXAS

SO HE WOULD CONTINUE TALKING
TO RANGER HOLLAND.

THAT WAS PROBABLY
THE MOST STRESSFUL TIME

OF THE INVESTIGATION BECAUSE
WE KNEW WHAT WE HAD TO LOSE.

WE WERE SO CONCERNED
THAT SOMETHING WOULD GET OUT

AND THAT ANOTHER AGENCY
WOULD JUMP AHEAD OF US

AND TRY TO GET HIM
EXTRADITED SOMEWHERE ELSE

AND, THEREFORE,
JIM WOULD LOSE ACCESS TO HIM,

AND WE WOULD LOSE
70 CONFESSIONS.

SO, AT THAT TIME,

WE WEREN'T RELEASING HIS NAME,
EVEN TO OTHER AGENCIES.

WE WEREN'T TELLING THEM
WHO HE WAS.

THEIR GOAL IS TO LINK
AS MANY CASES

AS THEY CAN TO LITTLE.

CLUES LIE IN HIS ART.

LITTLE WOULD SPEND SOME TIME,

THINK ABOUT THE VICTIM,

THINK ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM,

TRY TO VISUALIZE THE VICTIM
AS CLEARLY AS HE CAN.

THIS IS HIS MEMORY
FROM SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED

30, SOMETIMES 40, YEARS AGO.

BUT EVERY TIME WE'VE BEEN
ABLE TO MATCH A CASE BACK

WHERE HE'S DONE A DRAWING,

THERE'S BEEN ONE ASPECT
OF THAT PORTRAIT

THAT HAS BEEN SPOT-ON.

SOMETIMES IT'S HER SMILE.

SOMETIMES IT IS A NECKLACE
THAT SHE'S WEARING.

SOMETIMES IT'S THE HAIRSTYLE.

THERE'S SOMETHING
ABOUT HIS DRAWINGS

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE.

NOT EVERYTHING IS
SO STRAIGHTFORWARD.

FIRST OF ALL, LITTLE WAS
NOT GOOD ABOUT TIME FRAMES.

HE WASN'T VERY GOOD AT WHAT YEAR
EVERYTHING HAPPENED.

WITH THE BROTHERS CASE,
HE WAS OFF BY A DECADE.

SO THAT WAS OUR EXAMPLE,
SO WE KNEW

HE COULD BE OFF BY AS MANY AS
10 YEARS ON EITHER SIDE.

ALSO, HE HAS NO IDEA
WHERE JURISDICTIONAL LINES ARE.

SO, TO HIM, HE'S PICKING UP
A VICTIM IN ATLANTA.

THEN HE DRIVES OUT A DIRT ROAD
AND DUMPS THEIR BODY.

WELL, IS HE STILL
IN ATLANTA PD'S JURISDICTION?

IS HE IN THE COUNTY?
IS HE IN A SURROUNDING COUNTY?

IT'S LAYER UPON LAYER
OF COMPLICATION.

PER CONFESSION,
WE PROBABLY CONTACTED

AT LEAST THREE TO FIVE AGENCIES

TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE CASE
THAT LITTLE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

SO WE'RE CONTACTING
THESE AGENCIES, TELLING THEM,

"WE HAVE THIS OFFENDER
IN CUSTODY

WHO'S CONFESSING TO A HOMICIDE

THAT MIGHT BE
IN YOUR JURISDICTION.

GO BACK TO YOUR FILES
ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1970.

GIVE HIM A 20-YEAR BUFFER
FOR A HOMICIDE

THAT MIGHT BE
WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION

AND TRY TO FIND CASES
THAT MATCH UP

TO THESE PARTICULAR
CIRCUMSTANCES.

OH, AND BY THE WAY,
WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU WHO HE IS.

WE'RE NOT RELEASING HIS NAME."

WE DIDN'T MAKE
A WHOLE LOT OF FRIENDS

OFF OF THOSE PHONE CALLS.

AS THE TEAM LOOKS
FOR MORE CASES,

THEY NEED ADDITIONAL TOOLS
AND RESOURCES.

WE'D START WITH
ViCAP, BUT UNFORTUNATELY,

VERY FEW OF THESE CASES
WERE IN ViCAP.

- DADE COUNTY.
- DADE COUNTY?

AGAIN AND AGAIN, THEY RETURNED

TO LITTLE'S INTERVIEWS
FOR LEADS.

IN THE CITY OR IN THE COUNTY?

YEAH.

LITTLE COULD RECALL
NEWSPAPER HEADLINES,

WHICH WERE VERY HELPFUL,

OR HE MIGHT REMEMBER
KEY DETAILS.

WE GOT A SUBSCRIPTION
TO newspapers.com,

AND WE'D JUST GO THROUGH
DAY AFTER DAY,

JUST READING
ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE,

TRYING DIFFERENT KEYWORDS,
TRYING DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS

OF FACTORS THAT HE MENTIONED
IN HIS CONFESSION.

ONE OF THE CASES
HE REMEMBERED THE HEADLINE...

SHE WAS IN THE SEX INDUSTRY,

AND HE THOUGHT SHE HAD
SOME MENTAL-HEALTH ISSUES.

AND ALL THOSE DETAILS
WERE IN THE ARTICLE.

THAT'S HOW I FOUND HER.
I KNEW SHE WAS IN FLORIDA.

HE REMEMBERED
SHE'D BEEN FROM INDIANA.

WHO WOULD REMEMBER THAT A
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM THE 1970s

CALLED THIS GIRL A LOST SOUL?

THE VICTIM IS
25-YEAR-OLD ANGELA CHAPMAN,

STRANGLED BY LITTLE IN 1976.

WHEN YOU FIND A LITTLE CASE,
YOU KNOW YOU'VE FOUND IT.

EVERYTHING THAT HE SAYS
MATCHES UP

BECAUSE HE'S NOT TELLING YOU
GENERIC DETAILS.

AND IN THAT CASE,

HE REMEMBERED
WHEN HE DISPOSED OF HER BODY,

THERE WERE SOME WEIRD ARCHES
IN A DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING.

AND WE'RE LIKE,
"THAT'S REALLY RANDOM.

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?"

AND WHEN WE REACHED OUT
TO THE AGENCY AND SAID,

"WE'VE GOT THIS KILLER.
THIS IS HER NAME.

CAN YOU GO PULL HER FILE?"

IN THE CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS
WERE THE ARCHES.

THE THING THAT STOOD OUT MOST
WHEN WE'RE LISTENING

AND WATCHING LITTLE TALK

IS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL
THAT HE'S ABLE TO RECALL.

IT'S ALMOST AS IF HE IS
TRANSPORTING HIMSELF

BACK TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME.

WHILE WAITING FOR
SAMUEL LITTLE'S

EXTRADITION TO TEXAS,

CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO
AND ANGELA WILLIAMSON

MINE EVERY DETAIL
FROM HIS INTERVIEWS.

EACH ONE, TO HIM,
IS A SELF-CONTAINED STORY

ABOUT HOW HE MET THE VICTIM,
THEIR INTERACTION,

HOW HE KILLED THEM,
AND THEN HOW HE LEFT.

YOU KNOW, SOME SERIAL KILLERS
TAKE TROPHIES.

THEY'LL TAKE JEWELRY
FROM THEIR VICTIMS.

THEY'LL TAKE CLOTHING.

SAMUEL LITTLE'S TROPHIES
WERE HIS MEMORIES,

AND HE KIND OF TAKES
THESE MENTAL TROPHIES

THAT HE HAS,
AND HE PUTS THEM ON PAPER.

TO GAIN LITTLE'S TRUST,

HOLLAND TREATS HIM WITH RESPECT,

EVEN PARROTING
THE KILLER'S GUTTER LANGUAGE.

THERE WERE MOMENTS THAT LITTLE
WAS KIND OF TESTING JIM,

TRYING TO SEE HOW HE WOULD REACT
AND WHAT HIS REACTION WOULD BE.

AND JIM WAS ABLE
TO JUST ROLL WITH IT

AND KEEP ASKING THE QUESTIONS,

AND HE GOT MORE CONFESSIONS
BY DOING THAT.

YEAH.

PERVERSELY, LITTLE
SUGGESTS THERE WAS NO ILL WILL

BETWEEN HIM AND HIS VICTIMS.

MM-HMM.

PARTICULARLY
IT'S PEOPLE THAT HE PICKS UP.

THEY'RE EXPENDABLE WOMEN
FOR HIM,

AND THEY SERVE A PURPOSE.

THESE ARE OBJECTS FOR HIM

THAT ARE A VEHICLE
FOR HIM TO GET PLEASURE.

THAT'S ALL THAT THEY ARE.

ONCE HE'S GOTTEN THAT PLEASURE,

HE'S GOTTEN
WHAT HE WANTS FROM THEM,

THEN THEY ARE TRASH.

HE JUST THROWS THEM AWAY.

SO WHAT IS IT
THAT MAKES LITTLE TICK?

ALL OF THESE WERE
SEXUALLY MOTIVATED CRIMES.

THAT'S WHAT.
HE GOT ENJOYMENT OUT OF.

SAM LITTLE...
HE WANTED TO SEE THEM,

HE WANTED HIS THUMBS
TO BE IN THEIR THROAT

WHILE THEY'RE SWALLOWING.

HE WANTED TO FEEL ALL THAT.

HE ENJOYED THE ACT
OF STRANGLING THEM.

HE WANTED THEM TO BE CONSCIOUS
WHILE HE WAS DOING IT.

HE DIDN'T ENJOY KILLING THEM,
PER SAY.

HE ENJOYED STRANGLING THEM.

HE TOLD US THAT
FROM THE AGE OF 5,

HE FOUND HIMSELF SEXUALLY
ATTRACTED TO A WOMAN'S NECK.

WHEN IT COMES TO LITTLE'S
FASCINATION WITH THE NECK,

HE DOESN'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW.

AND AS HE SAYS,

MAYBE THE WIRES IN HIS BRAIN
ARE JUST BROKEN,

AND I THINK WE JUST
LEAVE IT AT THAT,

BECAUSE HOW ELSE
DO YOU RECONCILE?

YEAH.

WHEN HE'S ABOUT 15,
HIS FOCUS CLARIFIES.

YEAH.

MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

NOT ONLY DOES TRUE
CRIME INDULGE LITTLE'S FETISH,

IT TEACHES HIM
HOW TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER.

HE SPENT TIME AS A CHILD

READING THE OLD
DETECTIVE MAGAZINES

AND LEARNING FROM THEM

WHAT INVESTIGATORS
WOULD DO AT A SCENE.

IT WAS ACTUALLY TRAINING HIM

HOW TO NOT LEAVE EVIDENCE.

SO EVEN BEFORE DNA EXISTED,

HE KNEW ABOUT FINGERPRINTS
AND HAIR, FIBERS,

THINGS THAT
COULD BE TRANSFERRED.

AND HE WAS ALWAYS CONSCIOUS
AT THE CRIME SCENE

TO NOT LEAVE ANYTHING BEHIND,
LONG BEFORE DNA.

AFTER FANTASIZING FOR YEARS,

LITTLE CROSSES THE LINE
AT AGE 30

AND KILLS HIS FIRST VICTIM.

YEAH.

YEAH.

YEAH.

NOT ONLY IS LITTLE ADEPT
AT COVERING HIS TRACKS,

HE'S A PRO AT TALKING HIS WAY
OUT OF TROUBLE.

IN 1982,
LITTLE IS PASSING THROUGH

THE SMALL TOWN
OF OCALA, FLORIDA.

ON AUGUST 12th,

HE'S ON A SO-CALLED DATE
WITH A WOMAN NAMED ROSIE HILL.

HE DRIVES HER TO A DESERTED SPOT
BEHIND A FACTORY.

OKAY.

WITH NO WAY OUT,
LITTLE MUST THINK FAST.

YEAH.

YEAH.

TWO YEARS LATER,
LITTLE TRIES THE SAME TACTIC

WITH POLICE IN SAN DIEGO,

BUT THEY DON'T FALL FOR IT.

HE STILL THINKS ABOUT
THAT CLOSE CALL IN OCALA.

THE TEAM HAS GONE DEEP
INTO THE MIND OF A MONSTER,

BUT THEY HAVE 70 MORE MURDERS
TO INVESTIGATE,

70 MORE FAMILIES
WHO HAVE NEVER HAD ANSWERS.

THAT'S WHY THEY NEED
TO GET LITTLE TO TEXAS

AND KEEP HIM TALKING.

THESE WERE HIS STORIES,

AND HE GETS ANIMATED
WHEN HE TELLS THEM.

HIS EYES LIGHT UP.

HE GETS EXCITED ABOUT IT.

BUT THEY ALL END WITH,
"AND THEN I KILLED HER."

YEAH.

MONTHS INTO THE INVESTIGATION,

AS THEY WAIT FOR SAMUEL LITTLE
TO MOVE TO TEXAS,

PALAZZOLO AND WILLIAMSON
CONTINUE PORING OVER

HIS INTERROGATION TAPES

IN THE HOPES
OF I.D.ing MORE VICTIMS.

AS WE STARTED REALLY DIGGING
INTO WHAT HE WAS SAYING,

THE DETAILS HE WAS PROVIDING,

HE'S ABLE TO TAKE HIMSELF BACK

TO THE TIME OF HIS INTERACTION
WITH THE VICTIM.

IN ONE INSTANCE,
HE COULD REMEMBER

HE TOOK THE VICTIM
OUT TO DINNER BEFOREHAND.

HE COULD REMEMBER
WHAT SHE ORDERED.

WHEN WE GO BACK IN
FROM THE AUTOPSY REPORT,

THE VICTIM'S STOMACH CONTENTS...
AN ABSOLUTE MATCH

TO WHAT HE SAID SHE HAD ORDERED
FOR DINNER THAT NIGHT.

THIS IS SOMEBODY
WHO HAS RELIVED, REHEARSED,

THOUGHT ABOUT, KEPT THESE
MEMORIES AS FRESH AS POSSIBLE.

AND I THINK THAT IS
WHAT ALLOWS HIM

TO REMEMBER SUCH DETAIL,

BECAUSE HE HAS PROBABLY
KILLED THESE INDIVIDUALS

IN HIS MIND THOUSANDS OF TIMES.

THEY'RE ETCHED
IN HIS MIND FOREVER,

AND HE CAN DRAW.

HE DRAWS ALL THIS, SO, I MEAN,
THAT'S JUST SAM LITTLE.

POLICE LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA

FIRST HEARD ABOUT LITTLE IN 2010

WHEN HE STARTED PASCAGOULA,
MISSISSIPPI'S, COLD-CASE UNIT.

THERE WERE 26
UNSOLVED COLD CASES.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS RATHER A LOT
FOR A SMALL TOWN.

ONE OF THOSE VICTIMS
WAS MELINDA LaPREE,

STRANGLED TO DEATH IN 1982.

HE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME

HE WANTED TO OPEN UP
HER COLD CASE.

HE ASKED ME
FOR A PICTURE OF MINDY

SO HE COULD PUT IT ON HIS DESK

AND SEE HER AS A PERSON,
NOT JUST A CASE FILE.

THAT CONVINCED ME
THAT THIS GUY WAS SINCERE,

AND I WAS PLEASED THAT SOMEBODY

ACTUALLY WANTED
TO BRING IT BACK UP

'CAUSE COLD CASES
ARE VERY HARD TO LIVE WITH.

SAMUEL LITTLE WAS A SUSPECT
IN THE CASE FROM THE START,

BUT WAS NEVER CHARGED.

NOW VERSIGA IS CONVINCED
HE KILLED MINDY

AND MANY MORE WOMEN.

I HAD MADE CALLS
TO FLORIDA, TO GEORGIA,

LOOKING AT OLD HOMICIDE CASES
THAT WERE UNSOLVED

AND SAYING,
"LOOK, IF YOU GOT PROSTITUTES,

YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK
AT THE SAM LITTLE."

THE MURDERS OF SEX WORKERS

ARE NOTORIOUSLY HARD TO SOLVE,

AND BECAUSE LITTLE'S VICTIMS
WERE OFTEN FOUND WEEKS,

EVEN MONTHS, AFTER DEATH,

IT'S HARD TO PICK UP HIS TRAIL.

SOMETIMES THESE VICTIMS
WEREN'T FLAGGED AS HOMICIDES

'CAUSE OF THE WAY
HE KILLED THEM.

IF THEY WERE FOUND,
YOU KNOW, DECOMPOSED,

YOU'RE NOT GONNA
SEE STRANGULATION.

ESPECIALLY IF
THEY DO IDENTIFY THE VICTIM,

SOMETIMES THEY WOULD CHALK IT UP
TO A DRUG OVERDOSE

AND NEVER EVEN RULE IT
A HOMICIDE,

JUST AN ACCIDENTAL DEATH.

YEAH, I GOTCHA.

WE GOT STUCK ON ONE CASE.
WE KNEW THE GIRL'S NAME.

HER NAME WAS MARTHA.

AND WE KNEW
ALL THESE DETAILS ABOUT HER.

WE KNEW WHERE SHE LIVED

AND ALL THIS GREAT INFORMATION.

WE WERE JUST MIND-BOGGLED.
"WHY AREN'T WE FINDING A CASE?"

AND THANKFULLY, A LOCAL PERSON

FROM THE LAW-ENFORCEMENT AGENCY
THOUGHT,

"WHAT IF IT WASN'T RULED
A HOMICIDE?"

AND SHE WENT AND LOOKED
AT THE M.E.'s RECORDS

AND FOUND HER CASE.

IT WAS RULED ACCIDENTAL.

AND SO THAT WAS A HUGE
TURNING POINT FOR US,

AND THAT HELPED US
FIND A LOT MORE CASES.

THE TEAM IS MAKING PROGRESS,

BUT LITTLE IS STILL IN L.A.,

WITH SO MANY SECRETS
YET TO BE REVEALED.

WE WERE ALL ON PINS AND NEEDLES,

WORRIED THAT SOME HEALTH SCARE
WOULD CROP UP.

AND THERE WERE TIMES WE THOUGHT,
"OH, NO," YOU KNOW,

"HE'S NOT DOING WELL TODAY,"

OR HE HAD SOME EPISODE
AND WE WERE GONNA LOSE HIM.

FINALLY,
ON SEPTEMBER 24th, 2018,

SAMUEL LITTLE IS EXTRADITED
TEMPORARILY

FROM L.A. COUNTY TO TEXAS.

DETECTIVE JUSTIN CAID FLIES OUT
TO CALIFORNIA TO ESCORT HIM.

I FIRST MET SAMUEL LITTLE
IN A HOLDING CELL.

I EXPECTED TO SEE
A VIOLENT KILLER

SHACKLED UP,

SOMEONE THAT YOU ALWAYS
HAVE TO BE ON GUARD WITH.

AND THEN I FIRST SAW HIM
ROLLED OUT,

AND I SAW A FRAGILE MAN
SITTING IN HIS WHEELCHAIR.

HE HAD A SMILE ON HIS FACE.

I SAW HIS HANDS.
HE HAD REALLY LARGE HANDS.

WHO KNOWS HOW MANY NECKS THAT
THOSE HANDS HAVE STRANGLED?

CAID ACCOMPANIES
THE SERIAL KILLER

ABOARD THE TEXAS RANGERS JET.

SAMUEL LITTLE WAS RESTRAINED

IN LEG RESTRAINTS
AND HAND RESTRAINTS.

I SAT DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM,

AND THEN RANGER HOLLAND SAT
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE.

IT ALL SEEMS ROUTINE

UNTIL LITTLE STARTS TALKING.

DURING THE FLIGHT,
SAMUEL LITTLE STARTED DISCUSSING

SOME OF THE MURDERS,

OR REMINISCING ON
SOME OF THE MURDERS

THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN.

THERE WAS NO REGARD
OR REMORSE FOR WHAT HE DID.

IT WAS A MIX BETWEEN
REMEMBERING HIS YOUNGER DAYS

AND AROUSAL.

IT WAS MOST DEFINITELY CREEPY
TO BE AROUND.

JUST AFTER THE PLANE
LANDS IN TEXAS,

LITTLE IS WHISKED
TO THE COURTHOUSE.

HE IMMEDIATELY FACED CHARGES
IN ECTOR COUNTY,

WHICH IS WHERE ODESSA IS,

FOR THE DENISE BROTHERS
HOMICIDE.

AT THE COURTHOUSE,
SAM WAS QUIET.

YOU JUST SAT IN HIS WHEELCHAIR
THE WHOLE TIME,

DISCUSSED SOME THINGS
WITH HIS ATTORNEY.

AND IT WAS A REAL SHORT HEARING,

DENISE'S SON DAMIEN
HAS THE OPTION TO ATTEND,

BUT HAS SECOND THOUGHTS.

I CHOSE NOT TO GO.

I DON'T THINK I NEED
TO SEE HIM IN THE EYES

AND LOOK AT HIM.

I THINK I'VE GOT ENOUGH OF WHAT
I'VE BEEN TOLD AND SEEN ON TV.

I THINK I'VE HAD MY FILL.

I HAVE NO ANGER TOWARDS SAMUEL.

I'M GLAD THAT HE'S STARTING
TO CONFESS

AND OPEN UP
TO THESE OTHER MURDERS

THAT OTHER FAMILIES
THAT NEED CLOSURE

OR NEED ANSWERS TO,
JUST LIKE I GOT.

DENISE BROTHERS...
SHE'S KIND OF THE ONE

THAT BROKE THIS ALL OPEN.

THAT WAS THE LEAD THAT
I'D IDENTIFIED BACK IN 2014,

AND THAT'S WHAT LED TO
JIM GETTING OUT THERE

AND ALL OF THESE CONFESSIONS.

DENISE HOLDS A PLACE
IN MY HEART FOR THAT.

AFTER THE HEARING,
LITTLE IS BACK ON THE MOVE,

SAME DAY, HE WAS FLOWN UP
TO DECATUR, TEXAS,

AND HOUSED THERE.

LITTLE WILL STAY HERE
CLOSE TO HOLLAND'S OFFICE

WHILE DENISE'S CASE
MOVES THROUGH THE COURTS.

THAT GIVES THE TEAM TIME
TO PRESS THE KILLER

FOR MORE INFORMATION.

SAMMY HAD A LITTLE
VACATION OUT OF CONFESSING

TO THE HOMICIDES
THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN.

HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO EAT WELL FOR A LITTLE BIT.

HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO HAVE HIS OWN ART STUDIO

AND PAINT THE FACES
OF HIS VICTIMS.

HE GETS TO RELIVE THOSE FACES

IN ADDITION TO US BEING ABLE
TO CLOSE THOSE CASES.

IF A FAMILY MEMBER
OR A LOVED ONE

SEES THAT PORTRAIT...

...THEY'VE BEEN ABLE
TO IDENTIFY THAT, YEAH,

THAT THAT'S EXACTLY
HOW SHE WORE HER HAIR,

OR THAT'S EXACTLY
HOW I REMEMBER HER SMILE.

I DID SEE THE PORTRAIT
HE DREW OF MY MOM.

HE CAN REMEMBER
ALL THOSE THINGS.

IT'S KIND OF BURNT AN IMAGE IN
HIS MIND OF WHEN HE KILLS THEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING,

BUT IT'S A GOOD THING THESE
PICTURES ARE MATCHING UP

TO WOMEN THAT HE'S DONE KILLED.

NOW THE TEAM WANTS DETAILS

ON THE OTHER 70 MURDERS
LITTLE'S CONFESSED TO.

ANGELA AND I WENT OUT TO TEXAS,

AND, AGAIN, WE WERE
IN AN ADJOINING ROOM,

AND THIS TIME WE HAD
A VIDEO FEED AND AN AUDIO FEED.

JIM WENT IN AND MET WITH LITTLE,
TALKING TO HIM ABOUT CASES,

SOMETIMES NOT TALKING TO HIM
ABOUT ANYTHING AT ALL,

JUST KEEPING
THAT RELATIONSHIP GOING,

KEEPING THOSE LINES
OF COMMUNICATION OPEN,

KEEPING LITTLE HAPPY ENOUGH
TO TALK.

AND THEN WE HAVE
OTHER AGENCIES GOING IN

WHERE WE KNOW THEY HAVE MATCHES,

JUST GETTING LITTLE TO VERIFY IT

SO THEY CAN CLOSE
THEIR CASES OUT.

IN OCTOBER 2013, RICK BELL,

ASSISTANT PROSECUTOR
FOR CUYAHOGA COUNTY, OHIO,

GETS AN URGENT MESSAGE.

THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAD
EVER EVEN HEARD OF THE NAME

SAMUEL LITTLE
WAS FROM ANGELA WILLIAMSON.

SHE SENT ME AN E-MAIL
REFERENCING CASES

THAT SHE SUSPECTED
LITTLE HAD COMMITTED

IN THE STATE OF OHIO.

THERE WERE THREE CLEVELAND CASES

THAT LITTLE HAD SAID
THAT HE HAD COMMITTED A MURDER.

IN TWO OF THE CASES,
WILLIAMSON AND PALAZZOLO

HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED
POTENTIAL MATCHES

IN THE ViCAP DATABASE.

NOW IT WILL BE UP TO
THE CLEVELAND AUTHORITIES

TO SEAL THE DEAL.

LITTLE HAD SOME DETAILS

IN THAT INITIAL STATEMENT
THAT HE'D MADE,

ENOUGH THAT WE HOPEFULLY
WOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK

AND FIND THOSE CASES
AND TRY TO VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT

WHAT HE WAS TELLING US
WAS THE TRUTH.

PROSECUTOR RICK BELL
HAS BEEN ALERTED

TO THREE MURDERS
IN THE CLEVELAND AREA

THAT SAMUEL LITTLE CONFESSED TO.

ONCE WE FIND ONE
THAT'S PROMISING,

WE SEND IT TO THE AGENCY
AND SAY,

"ALL RIGHT, LOOK AT THIS CASE.
PULL THIS FILE."

AT THE END OF THE DAY,
WE PUSH THE INFORMATION

BACK TO THE AGENCIES
TO MAKE THE ARREST,

TO RESOLVE THE CASE,
TO CONTACT THE FAMILIES.

LITTLE HAS LEFT SOME CLUES

FOR THE CLEVELAND INVESTIGATORS.

THE FIRST LEADS TO A HOMICIDE
FROM THE EARLY 1980s.

ON JULY 3rd, 1984,

DECOMPOSED REMAINS
ARE DISCOVERED

IN AN INDUSTRIAL PART OF TOWN.

WORKERS HAD SEEN
SOME BODY FLUIDS

COMING UNDERNEATH THE DOOR WELL

INTO THE BASEMENT
OF THE MANUFACTURING PLANT.

AND THEY LOOKED INTO
THE STAIRWELL ITSELF

AND FOUND THE BODY.

THE BODY WASN'T DISCOVERED

POSSIBLY FOR A MONTH
OR TWO MONTHS

AFTER SHE HAD BEEN KILLED.

VICTIM IS MARY JO PEYTON.

MARY JO HAD GOTTEN
IN SOME TROUBLE.

HER FINGERPRINT HAD BEEN TAKEN,
SO ULTIMATELY,

SHE WAS IDENTIFIED
THROUGH A FINGERPRINT.

LITTLE SAYS HE MET HER AT A BAR.

SHE WAS ALONE AT THE BAR.

LITTLE TOOK HER IN HIS CAR

WITH THE PROMISE
OF GETTING MORE ALCOHOL,

AND SHE WENT WITH HIM
IN ORDER TO DRINK WITH THIS MAN

THAT WAS PAYING
SOME ATTENTION TO HER.

YET ANOTHER VICTIM

LULLED INTO A FALSE SENSE
OF SECURITY.

OUR SECOND VICTIM
WAS A WHITE FEMALE

THAT LITTLE SAYS THAT
HE HAD KILLED

POSSIBLY IN 1991.

WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE A FILE

THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION
OF THE VICTIM PERFECTLY...

DARK HAIR, SKINNY,
WEARING JEANS.

LITTLE VIVIDLY REMEMBERS

LEAVING HER IN A FIELD
AND COVERING HER WITH TIRES.

HER BODY HAD BEEN FOUND
ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.

SO IN THIS SITUATION, THE POLICE
WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE

THAT SHE, IN FACT,
WAS MANUALLY STRANGLED.

HER NAME IS ROSE EVANS.

SHE CAME FROM
BINGHAMTON, NEW YORK,

WITH THE IDEA THAT SHE WAS GOING
TO BE WORKING IN CLEVELAND.

UNFORTUNATELY, SHE DID BECOME
ADDICTED TO COCAINE.

AND THERE'S NOTHING
HER FAMILY CAN DO TO HELP.

ROSE WAS
FIVE YEARS OLDER THAN ME.

SHE ALWAYS LIKED TO JOKE AROUND,
MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH, YOU KNOW?

SHE'D GIVE HER SHIRT
OFF HER BACK.

SHE JUST DID HER OWN THING.

SHE WAS GETTING HIGH EVERY DAY,
YOU KNOW, WALKING THE STREETS.

AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW,
"GOT TO BE CAREFUL

BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW
WHO'S OUT THERE

GONNA DO SOMETHING TO YOU."

SHE ALWAYS SAYS, "I GOT IT,
I GOT IT, I GOT IT."

IN 1991, THE FAMILY'S
WORST FEARS COME TRUE.

I WAS HOME WITH MY MOTHER
AND MY TWO CHILDREN.

THEY KNOCKED ON THE DOOR,
AND THEY SAID, "IT'S ROSE."

RICK BELL WANTS JUSTICE

FOR ROSE EVANS
AND MARY JO PEYTON...

...AND FOR A THIRD OHIO WOMAN.

BETWEEN 1977 AND 1979,

HE HAD PICKED UP A BLACK FEMALE

WHO WAS SKINNY
AND 20 YEARS OF AGE.

AND HE SAID THAT
SHE HAD A DRESS ON

AND HE HAD DISPOSED OF HER
AFTER HE KILLED HER

ON A HIGHWAY

BETWEEN CLEVELAND
AND THE CITY OF AKRON.

LITTLE HAD GIVEN
ENOUGH INFORMATION

THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE
TO FIND THE FILE

IF THERE WAS, IN FACT, A BODY
THAT HAD EVER BEEN RECOVERED.

SO WE'RE LOOKING.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO
IDENTIFY THIS PERSON

AND IDENTIFY THIS CASE.

JUST ONE MORE JANE DOE AMONG
SO MANY OF LITTLE'S VICTIMS.

IT'S FALL OF 2018

WHEN PASCAGOULA P.D.
LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA

REJOINS
THE LITTLE INVESTIGATION.

THE RANGERS TELLING ME
THAT SAM IS CONFESSING

TO THE TWO CASES AND WANTS...

OBVIOUSLY, MELINDA LaPREE,

THERE'S NO DOUBTING
THE INFORMATION THERE.

THE SECOND IS
A JANE DOE KILLED IN 1977.

OUR FIRST ARREST

ON SAM LITTLE WAS 8/11 OF 1977.

SO 8/11/1977, HE'S HERE,

AND I'VE GOT REMAINS FOUND.
12/27 OF '77,

SKELETAL REMAINS FOUND.

SO I'M THINKING
HE WAS HERE 8/11 OF '77,

HE KILLED THEN.

VERSIGA TRAVELS
TO TEXAS TO QUESTION LITTLE.

BUT HOLLAND HAS CONCERNS
BECAUSE THE SUSPECT

AND DETECTIVE
HAVE ALREADY CROSSED PATHS

AT LITTLE'S 2014 TRIAL
IN LOS ANGELES.

IF HE RECOGNIZES FROM CALIFORNIA
TESTIFYING AGAINST HIM,

HE MAY SHUT DOWN.

AND SO THEY WERE WORRIED
ABOUT THAT,

OBVIOUSLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

HOLLAND SUGGESTS
ALL THE OTHER DETECTIVES

IN LINE THAT DAY
QUESTION LITTLE FIRST.

HE WANTS ME TO BE THE VERY LAST
PERSON TO INTERVIEW SAM.

SO I GET TO WATCH
ALL THE INTERVIEWS,

AND THAT'S JUST
RIGHT UP MY ALLEY.

LISTENING TO HIS EVERY WORD
AND EVERY STORY

IS PROBABLY
THE MOST VALUABLE INFORMATION

I'VE EVER OBTAINED
AS A DETECTIVE,

AS AN INVESTIGATOR,
EVER IN MY CAREER,

BECAUSE THAT'S A TRUE KILLER.

AND I CAN SEE HOW HE'S BEEN
GETTING AWAY WITH THIS FOREVER.

IT'S A DISTURBING
WINDOW INTO THE KILLER'S PAST.

YEAH?

IN THE FALL OF 2018,

CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO
AND ANGELA WILLIAMSON

HAVE ASSEMBLED
MANY OF THE INVESTIGATORS

EAGER TO FOLLOW UP ON
SAMUEL LITTLE'S UNSOLVED CRIMES.

A LOT OF COORDINATION
AND OUTREACH,

BRINGING IN OTHER AGENCIES

SO THAT THEY COULD TALK
TO LITTLE

SO THAT THEY COULD ASK HIM
THEIR QUESTIONS

AND GET ADDITIONAL DETAILS
ABOUT THE CASES.

WHEN A SERIAL KILLER
STARTS TALKING,

THE DETECTIVES START LINING UP.

THERE COULD BE
12 DETECTIVES THERE,

8 DETECTIVES THERE A DAY
TO INTERVIEW HIM.

LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA
AND DETECTIVE KEVIN ALLEN

ARE AMONG THOSE
WAITING THEIR TURN.

RANGER HOLLAND TOLD US,
DO NOT ACCUSE HIM OF CRIMES

THAT HE HAD NOT ALREADY
MADE ADMISSIONS TO,

THAT IT WAS NOT
A FISHING EXPEDITION

TO TRY TO CLEAR
EVERY UNSOLVED HOMICIDE

THAT ALL OF
OUR JURISDICTIONS HAD.

IT WAS GREAT DIRECTION.

JIM WOULD TELL THEM,
"JUST GO IN, SPECIFY A LOCATION

SO HE KNOWS WHICH CASE
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,

AND JUST LET HIM TELL HIS STORY.

DON'T INTERRUPT.

SAVE YOUR QUESTIONS
TILL THE END.

JUST LET HIM GO."

HE HAS THESE
SELF-CONTAINED STORIES,

AND HE HAS A WAY
OF TELLING THEM,

AND IF YOU INTERRUPT HIM,
IT JARS HIM.

ALSO, LITTLE HAS CONDITIONS.

HE WOULD NOT TALK TO ME
UNTIL WE SHOWED HIM A FORM

WHERE OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY
WAS GONNA

BYPASS THE DEATH PENALTY.

RANGER HOLLAND SUGGESTED
WE HAVE THAT WAIVER WITH US,

THAT WE SHOW IT
TO MR. LITTLE IMMEDIATELY

AND THEN GET
THAT OUT OF THE WAY.

AND THERE ARE OTHER WARNINGS.

WE WERE TOLD THAT SOMETIMES
AS HE IS RETELLING THE STORIES

HE IS GETTING AROUSED AGAIN,
EVEN AT 78 YEARS OLD.

ONCE HE BEGAN TALKING
ABOUT ALL THESE MURDERS,

IT WAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY
FOR HIM

TO PROLONG
HIS SEXUAL SATISFACTION.

I ABSOLUTELY THINK
THAT IT BECAME

AN INCREDIBLY ENJOYABLE PROCESS
FOR HIM.

VERSIGA JUST HOPES
LITTLE WON'T RECOGNIZE HIM

FROM THE L.A. TRIAL.

HE CAME IN IN A WHEELCHAIR,

BUT THEN HE GOT UP
AND HOBBLED OVER TO HIS CHAIR.

HE'S A WEAK MAN NOW.

HE'S NOT THE POWERHOUSE HE WAS

WHEN HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE,
FOR SURE.

IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT OFF THE BAT,
HE RECOGNIZES ME.

HE SAID, "MAN, I KNOW YOU."

THE RANGER JUST CAME UP AND
SAID, "NAH, THAT'S SOME OTHER

FAT-ASS THAT CAME IN HERE,"
'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M HEAVY.

AND SAM LAUGHED, I LAUGHED,
THE RANGER LAUGHED,

AND THAT GOT US IN.

VERSIGA STEERS THE CONVERSATION

TO THE 1982 MURDER
OF MELINDA LaPREE.

THE REASON WHY
THAT HE WASN'T CHARGED

IS BECAUSE THERE WAS
A PROSTITUTE

THAT ACTUALLY SAW MELINDA
COME BACK

AND SAW SAM DROP MELINDA OFF.

36 YEARS LATER,

LITTLE REVEALS
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.

HE TOLD HER, "LET THEM
SEE THAT YOU WERE HERE,

COME OUT THROUGH THE BACK,
AND THEN I'LL COME PICK YOU UP."

SHE GOES OUT THE BACK DOOR,
GETS INTO THE VEHICLE,

AND THEY DRIVE WEST
TOWARDS THE CEMETERY.

HE SAID THEY GOT IN THE CAR,

AND THEN THEY GO BACK OVER
TO THE CEMETERY,

AND THEN KILLS HER,

AND THEN HE THROWS HER
ON THOSE FLOWERS.

AND THAT ABSOLUTELY
DID IT FOR ME

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
SHE WAS FOUND.

FOR THE FAMILY,
THE TRUTH BRINGS RELIEF.

THE TERRIBLE THING IS,
IS NOT KNOWING.

SO WHEN YOU DO FIND OUT,

EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY UNSETTLING
AND HAUNTING,

IT'S BETTER THAN THE HAUNTING
THAT'S BEEN GOING ON

FOR 35-PLUS YEARS

OF WHAT HER LAST MOMENTS
WERE LIKE.

JUST DAYS BEFORE
MELINDA LaPREE'S MURDER IN 1982,

PATRICIA MOUNT
WAS KILLED NEARBY.

LITTLE WAS TRIED IN THAT CASE
BUT ACQUITTED.

NOW THAT HE'S COME CLEAN,

DETECTIVE ALLEN HAS QUESTIONS.

I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT
SAM LITTLE HAD TO SAY.

IF HE HAD CONFESSED TO A MURDER
THAT OCCURRED IN ALACHUA COUNTY,

I WANTED TO CONFRONT HIM
WITH THAT,

WHETHER THE CASE HAD GONE
TO TRIAL OR NOT.

RANGER HOLLAND ALWAYS
MAKES INTRODUCTIONS.

LITTLE REMEMBERS PATRICIA WELL.

WHEN HE SAW HER THROAT,
WHEN HE SAW HER NECK,

HE KNEW WHAT HE WANTED,
AND HE KNEW IF HE COULD,

HE WAS GONNA TAKE IT THAT NIGHT.

LITTLE DROVE PATRICIA
AROUND FOR A WHILE

BEFORE PARKING IN A HAYFIELD.

36 YEARS LATER,

ALLEN FINALLY HAS
THE CONFESSION HE NEEDS.

HE WAS COOPERATIVE.

I FOUND HIM EASY TO TALK TO.

SAMUEL LITTLE IS
AN ENGAGING PERSON.

HE CAN BE VERY CHARISMATIC.

HE'S FUNNY. HE'S WITTY.

HE'S A GREAT STORYTELLER.

YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GO
INTO AN INTERVIEW,

YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATING YOU'RE
SITTING ACROSS FROM A MONSTER.

AND HE DID MONSTROUS THINGS,
NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

BUT THE HUMAN BEING
THAT I INTERVIEWED

WAS VERY FORTHRIGHT AND OPEN.

YOU BEGIN TO SEE
HOW HE COULD CHARM THESE WOMEN

INTO GOING WITH HIM.

ALL THESE WOMEN,
THEY WENT WITH HIM WILLINGLY

'CAUSE HE WAS CHARMING
AND ATTRACTIVE IN HIS DAY.

AND HE TOOK ADVANTAGE
OF THESE WOMEN

THAT THOUGHT HE WAS SOMEONE FUN
TO HANG OUT WITH.

MONTHS AFTER FIRST
HEARING FROM THE FBI TEAM,

OHIO PROSECUTOR RICK BELL
AND A COLD-CASE INVESTIGATOR

ARRIVE FOR THEIR TURN
WITH LITTLE.

BEFORE THEIR INTERVIEW
WITH THE KILLER,

THEY GET DIRECTIONS
FROM HOLLAND.

HE TOLD US TO STAY AWAY
FROM SUGGESTING TO LITTLE

THAT HE HAD RAPED THESE WOMEN.

HE WANTED US TO BE CAREFUL
ABOUT IMPLODING OUR INTERVIEW.

BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS
YOU JUST CAN'T PREPARE FOR.

AFTER LISTENING TO DOZENS

OF SAMUEL LITTLE'S CONFESSIONS,

CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO AND ANGELA
WILLIAMSON RETURN TO THE FBI,

BUT THE INVESTIGATION
FORGES AHEAD.

I WOULD GO HOME AT NIGHT,
ON THE WEEKENDS,

LOOKING AT NEWSPAPER ARTICLES,

TRYING TO FIND THINGS
THAT MATCHED UP,

SO ALWAYS SEARCHING.

OHIO PROSECUTOR
RICK BELL TAKES HIS TURN

IN THE INTERVIEW ROOM

AND QUESTIONS LITTLE
ABOUT THREE COLD CASES

FROM THE CLEVELAND AREA.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING

WHEN YOU'RE INTERROGATING
SOMEBODY LIKE LITTLE

IS JUST TO BE NON-JUDGMENTAL.

WELL, I WASN'T
IN MY SUIT AND TIE.

WE DIDN'T WANT HIM
SEEING ME AS A LAWYER.

I STARTED TALKING ABOUT
THE BROWNS, THE NEW QUARTERBACK.

WE TALKED ABOUT LORAIN
AND GROWING UP IN CLEVELAND,

YOU DEFINITELY NOTICED
HIS HANDS.

HE HAS VERY LARGE HANDS.

BELL AND HIS INVESTIGATORS START

WITH THE 1984 KILLING
OF MARY JO PEYTON.

WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE
SURE THAT HE WAS DESCRIBING

THE WAY THAT
THE BUILDING LOOKED,

WHERE HIS CAR
WOULD HAVE BEEN PARKED,

WHAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING

HE WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY
HAVE DUMPED HER ON.

WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT
IS WHETHER OR NOT

HE COULD DESCRIBE THE WAY
THAT HER BODY WAS LAYING

AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRWELL.

LITTLE CONFIRMS
MARY JO'S RESTING PLACE,

SOMETHING ONLY
THE KILLER WOULD KNOW.

NEXT, THEY TURN
TO THE ROSE EVANS CASE.

LITTLE REMEMBERS THESE YEARS

BY THE CARS THAT HE'S DRIVING.

HE'S INFATUATED WITH CARS.

THEY WERE IN THIS VAN,
AND HE WAS IN THE BACK

TRYING TO GET HER TO COME
FROM THE FRONT PASSENGER SEAT

TO THE BACK WITH HIM.

AND SHE WAS SAYING
THAT SHE WAS NOT GOING TO

GET IN THE BACK WITH HIM

BECAUSE SHE KNEW
THAT HE WOULD KILL HER.

AND TO US, HE LAUGHED...

...AS, "LITTLE DID SHE KNOW

THAT I WAS GOING TO DO
JUST THAT."

AND HE DID EVENTUALLY GET HER
TO COME IN THE BACK,

AND HE STRANGLED HER TO DEATH.

THE LAST VICTIM BELL ASKS ABOUT

IS A JANE DOE.

LITTLE CONFIRMS HE KILLED
A THIRD WOMAN IN THE AREA,

BUT CAN'T HELP IDENTIFY HER.

BELL AND HIS INVESTIGATOR
KEEP LITTLE TALKING

IN HOPES OF UNEARTHING
NEW CLUES IN THE CASE.

SUDDENLY,
THE DISTURBING INTERVIEW

TAKES AN EVEN DARKER TURN.

HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT
PUTTING HIS HANDS

ON THE THROATS OF WOMEN.

AND AS HE WAS DESCRIBING THAT,

HE ALSO HAD STARTED
MOVING HIS HANDS

UNDERNEATH THE TABLE,

PLEASING HIMSELF.

I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THIS,
BUT I KNOW MY INVESTIGATOR DID.

HE CONTINUES TO BE
SEXUALLY STIMULATED BY VIOLENCE

AND BY RELIVING THESE THINGS
OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ASSUME
THAT WHEN HE FANTASIZES

ABOUT SEX,
WHEN HE FANTASIZES ABOUT WOMEN,

HE IS STILL FANTASIZING
ABOUT HIS VICTIMS.

LUCKILY,
BELL HAS EVERYTHING HE NEEDS.

WE HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE
AT THAT TIME TO CHARGE HIM

AND TO FEEL COMFORTABLE

THAT THE PROSECUTION
WAS GOING TO BE STRONG.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'D NEVER
SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS,

SOMEBODY THIS CALLOUS,

ALSO COOPERATIVE,

TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING
THAT HE HAD DONE.

YOU CAME TO THE REALIZATION
OF JUST HOW UGLY THIS ALL IS.

AND IT'S VERY HARD,
VERY DIFFICULT,

TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF MEANING
WITH ALL OF THIS.

NONETHELESS, ON A VIDEO FEED

LINKED TO A COURT IN OHIO,

LITTLE DOES FACE JUSTICE
FOR MURDERING

MARY JO PEYTON AND ROSE EVANS.

THE DEFENDANT WILL BE AGREEING
TO PLEAD GUILTY

TO COUNTS ONE AND SIX
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING

THAT THEY ARE TO BE SERVED
CONSECUTIVELY TO EACH OTHER.

SIR, HOW DO YOU PLEAD
TO COUNT ONE,

THE AGGRAVATED MURDER CHARGE
CAUSING THE DEATH WITH PURPOSE

AND PRIOR CALCULATION AND DESIGN
OF MARY JO PEYTON, SIR?

HOW DO YOU PLEAD?
GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY?

GUILTY.

THE EFFECT OF YOUR ACTIONS,

THE HEINOUS CRIMES THAT YOU
COMMITTED AGAINST THESE WOMEN

ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES,
HAVE LEFT MANY PEOPLE

WITH WHAT I WOULD SAY,
A HOLE IN THEIR LIVES

BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CLOSURE.

PALAZZOLO
AND WILLIAMSON WON'T REST

UNTIL ALL THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES
HAVE ANSWERS.

THERE ALWAYS IS SOMEONE
WHO WANTS TO KNOW,

SOMEONE WHO'S YEARNING FOR THAT
LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION,

JUST SO THEY HAVE
SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION.

IN DECEMBER 2018,

LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA
IS BACK IN TEXAS

FOR ANOTHER GO AT SAMUEL LITTLE.

LITTLE CONFESSED
TO KILLING A WOMAN

NEAR PASCAGOULA, MISSISSIPPI,
IN THE 1970s.

VERSIGA BELIEVES HER SKELETAL
REMAINS WERE FOUND IN 1977.

ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT THINGS
ABOUT HER

WAS THAT SHE HAD A GOLD TOOTH

WITH A TRIANGLE
ON THE GOLD TOOTH

AND THAT HER HAIR WAS PLAITED
AND IT WAS SUGGESTIVE OF A WIG,

IS WHAT THE ANTHROPOLOGIST SAID.

THE REMAINS THEN ARE SENT UP
TO A RECONSTRUCTIONIST

BACK IN 1977, '78,

AND THEY DO
A CLAY RECONSTRUCTION.

AND THIS PARTICULAR
FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST

DID VERY GOOD WORK.

SHE WAS BASICALLY A SCULPTOR.

THE JANE DOE'S FACE
WAS PUBLICIZED IN 1978,

BUT NO ONE EVER IDENTIFIED HER.

THAT TENDED TO MAKE ME BELIEVE

THAT SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE.

THE FAMILY HAS EITHER
DISOWNED HER,

OR SHE IS OF AGE NOW THAT
ALL HER RELATIVES ARE DEAD

AND NOBODY KNOWS SHE'S MISSING
OR WAS EVER MISSING.

ALL THESE YEARS LATER,

LITTLE REMEMBERS HER WELL.

HE SAID HE PICKED HER
UP IN GULFPORT, MISSISSIPPI,

BROUGHT HER TO PASCAGOULA,

WHERE THEY WENT EAT
AT A RESTAURANT.

AND THEN FROM THERE, HE SAID
HE DROVE HER ABOUT A MILE

AND THEN STRANGLES HER

AND THEN THROWS HER OUT
INTO WHAT HE CALLED A WASH-OUT

NEXT TO A TELEPHONE POLE.

VERSIGA ZEROES IN
ON ONE KEY DETAIL

THAT ONLY THE KILLER COULD KNOW.

HE SAID THAT
WHEN HE'S STRANGLING HER

IN THE BACK SEAT OF THE CAR,
HER WIG FALLS OFF.

AND WHEN IT FALLS OFF,

HE SAYS THAT THE HAIR
WAS PLAITED,

WHICH THE ONLY TIME
I'VE EVER HEARD THAT

WAS FROM SAM LITTLE'S MOUTH

AND FROM THE ANTHROPOLOGIST
ON THE 1977 CASE.

HE PULLS OUT PHOTOS
OF THE FACIAL RECONSTRUCTION.

WE BROUGHT ALL THESE PICTURES,

ALL THESE DIFFERENT ANGLES
AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT WIGS

AND OPEN MOUTH, CLOSED MOUTH.

SO I'M ROLLING THROUGH
THESE PICTURES,

AND HE SAID, "NOPE, NOPE, NOPE."

HE SAID, "WAIT. THAT ONE.
THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE HER."

AND THEN WHAT HE DOES IS
THE PHOTO...

HE DRAWS ON IT AND CORRECTS IT

AND THEN TRIES TO CONVINCE
HIMSELF THAT IT'S HIS CASE.

THAT MADE ME THINK,

"NO, HE'S JUST TRYING TO TAKE
CREDIT FOR THIS."

THEN VERSIGA SHOWS
LITTLE A SKETCH OF THE AREA.

I HAD THE DIAGRAM
OFF A LITTLE BIT,

AND HE CORRECTED IT.

AND THEN I THOUGHT HE WAS
FULL OF AGAIN

UNTIL I LOOKED AT IT,
AND I WENT,

"WELL, HELL, HE'S RIGHT.
I WAS WRONG."

AND I SAID, "HE'S GOT TO BE
THE REAL DEAL.

MAN, THIS GUY IS JUST SOMETHING
I'VE NEVER RUN ACROSS."

THE CASES MATCH,

THOUGH THE VICTIM
STILL HAS NO NAME.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO
GET HER IDENTIFIED.

I THINK WE'RE ON
THE RIGHT TRACK.

IDENTIFYING ALL
OF LITTLE'S VICTIMS

IS ANGELA WILLIAMSON
AND CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO'S

TOP PRIORITY.

THEY'VE ALREADY HELPED CLOSE
MORE THAN 60 CASES,

AND ADDITIONAL CASES
ARE AWAITING DECISIONS

ON NEXT STEPS FROM LOCAL
AND STATE PROSECUTORS.

AND THEN THERE'S
PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER DOZEN

REMAINING VICTIMS
THAT WE JUST CAN'T FIND

THE CASE THAT MATCHES BACK
TO HIS CONFESSION.

THE FRUSTRATING
THING IS NOW THAT WE KNOW

HOW TRUTHFUL HE IS,
HOW ACCURATE HE IS,

AND HOW HARD IT'S BEEN
TO FIND SOME OF HIS OTHER CASES,

WE KNOW THERE'S A GOOD REASON
FOR WHY WE'RE NOT FINDING IT.

JIM HAS INTERVIEWED
HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES

ABOUT EACH ONE,

AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES
THAT REMAIN UNMATCHED.

HE'S GONE BACK AT HIM
OVER AND OVER AGAIN

TRYING TO GET MORE DETAILS.

ONE IN PARTICULAR
STILL HAUNTS THE TEAM.

LITTLE CONFESSED TO KILLING
A BLACK FEMALE IN LAS VEGAS.

HE THOUGHT THE YEAR WAS 1993,
AND ON THIS ONE,

WE THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY IS
A PRETTY ACCURATE TIME FRAME.

THE PART THAT REALLY
RESONATES WITH ME

IS HE TALKED ABOUT MEETING HER
AND TALKING TO HER,

AND WHEN HE FIRST MET HER,

SHE POINTED TO ANOTHER MAN
STANDING ON THE STREET AND SAID,

"THAT'S MY SON."

WHETHER HE KNOWS IT OR NOT,

HER SON ACTUALLY MET THE PERSON
WHO KILLED HIS MOTHER.

LITTLE'S FOCUS WASN'T THE SON.

IT WAS HOW HE WAS GONNA GET
THAT WOMAN AWAY FROM THE SON,

HOW HE WAS GONNA CONVINCE HER
TO GO WITH HIM.

SINCE WE HAVEN'T BEEN
ABLE TO MATCH THAT CASE,

IT'S STILL AN UNSOLVED HOMICIDE.

I WRESTLE WITH THAT EVERY DAY.

THE FBI TURNS TO THE PUBLIC

FOR HELP IDENTIFYING
THESE WOMEN.

AND INVESTIGATORS PLEAD
FOR YOUR HELP

AS THEY TRY TO IDENTIFY
A WOMAN MURDERED

BY THE MOST PROLIFIC
SERIAL KILLER IN THE COUNTRY.

INVESTIGATORS NEED YOUR HELP
TO CONNECT A CRIME SCENE

STRETCHING FROM FLORIDA
ALL THE WAY TO CALIFORNIA.

THE FBI IS ASKING ANYONE
WHO BELIEVES

THAT THEY MAY HAVE INFORMATION
ABOUT A RELATED CRIME

TO CALL THEIR TIP LINE.

WE NEED THOSE TIPS,

ESPECIALLY IF THAT CASE WAS
NEVER RULED A HOMICIDE,

NEVER INVESTIGATED
AS A HOMICIDE.

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY

THAT WE'RE EVER
GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND IT.

WE NEED THE PUBLIC'S HELP.

THEY'VE EVEN SHARED
GLIMPSES OF LITTLE HIMSELF.

FAMILY MEMBERS STILL HAVE
SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

WE HAD THE RESOLUTION
OF BEING ABLE TO BURY HER,

AND THERE'S MANY THAT NEVER
EVEN FOUND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.

YOU KNOW,
IT'S JUST A DISAPPEARANCE.

PAUL STEVENS, WHOSE SISTER NANCY

WAS LITTLE'S FINAL VICTIM,

REMEMBERS GETTING THE CALL
FROM JIM HOLLAND IN 2018.

HE SAID, "WE HAVE FOUND THE MAN
THAT MURDERED YOUR SISTER."

I SAID, "ARE YOU SURE?"

HE SAID, "YES, BECAUSE
ONLY THE TWO INVESTIGATORS

AND HIM KNEW THE DETAILS
OF THIS CASE,

SO WE WERE 100% SURE."

MY MAMA JUST ALWAYS SAID
SHE JUST HOPED THAT

BEFORE SHE LEAVE THIS WORLD,

THAT SHE WOULD FIND OUT
WHO DONE THIS TO OUR DAUGHTER.

AND ON THAT DAY WHEN
THAT TEXAS RANGER CALLED ME,

YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A...

THAT WAS A GLORIOUS DAY FOR US,
YOU KNOW?

UNLESS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED
THIS KIND OF A LOSS

AND A BRUTAL, VIOLENT END
TO THE LIFE

OF SOMEBODY YOU LOVE,

I DON'T REALLY HAVE WORDS
FOR IT.

THE FACT THAT HE'S FINALLY
OFF THE STREETS

AND NOT KILLING PEOPLE
IS JUSTICE.

THE FACT THAT IT TOOK SO
DAMN LONG IS NOT JUSTICE.

IF I HAD ANYTHING
TO SAY TO SAMUEL LITTLE,

I'D PROBABLY SAY, "ENJOY HELL."

IN THE FALL OF 2018,

AFTER 49 DAYS OF INTERVIEWS,

SAMUEL LITTLE IS SENT BACK
TO PRISON IN CALIFORNIA.

HE'S BEEN ALLOWED TO KEEP
HIS ART SUPPLIES

AND CONTINUES
DRAWING HIS VICTIMS,

INCLUDING THOSE
WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND.

THIS WEEK,
RANGER HOLLAND IS WITH HIM,

AND I CAN'T WAIT TO GET
MORE INFORMATION OUT OF HIM.

THAT REINVIGORATES OUR SEARCHES
TO TRY AND FIND THESE,

AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN
PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

WITHOUT
THE EXTRAORDINARY COLLABORATION

OF ANGELA WILLIAMSON,
CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO,

AND JIM HOLLAND,

SAMUEL LITTLE MIGHT NEVER
HAVE SHARED HIS PAST.

WHAT TRULY MAKES ME UPSET
IS THAT LITTLE

COULD HAVE DIED IN PRISON.

WITHOUT HIM TELLING US THIS,
WE'D HAVE NOTHING.

THESE FAMILIES
WOULD HAVE NO ANSWERS.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SAMUEL LITTLE.

THIS IS ABOUT THOSE WOMEN
THAT HE KILLED

AND MAKING SURE THAT
WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING

TO BRING WHAT JUSTICE,
WHAT CLOSURE WE CAN

TO THEIR CASES

AND ANSWERS TO THEIR FAMILIES.

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