Original subtitles

IN MAY 2018,

FBI CRIME ANALYST CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO,

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FORENSICS EXPERT DR. ANGELA WILLIAMSON,

AND TEXAS RANGER JIM HOLLAND ARE AT THE END OF A LONG DAY

INTERVIEWING CONVICTED KILLER SAMUEL LITTLE.

THEY'D HOPED TO GET HIS CONFESSION

FOR THE 1994 MURDER OF DENISE BROTHERS.

THEY GOT MUCH MORE THAN THEY EVER IMAGINED.

HE NAILED EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR INTERACTION,

DESCRIBING THE SCENE WHERE HE LEFT HER,

WHAT HE DID TO HER,

ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE KNEW ABOUT THE CASE.

NOW HE HAD HIS CHANCE TO TELL THESE STORIES

AND A VERY RAPT AUDIENCE TO TELL THEM TO,

SO I THINK THE FLOODGATES JUST KIND OF OPENED.

SAMUEL LITTLE SAID HIS FIRST HOMICIDE

WAS 1970.

1970 TO 2005 IS WHEN WE KNOW THAT HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE.

DR. JONI JOHNSTON IS NOT INVOLVED

IN ANY INVESTIGATIONS OF SAMUEL LITTLE,

THOUGH SHE IS AN EXPERT ON SERIAL KILLERS.

A 35-YEAR CAREER IS INCREDIBLY LONG.

IT IS REALLY UNPRECEDENTED TO HAVE A SERIAL KILLER

WHO STARTS AROUND AGE 29 TO 30

AND COMMITS HIS LAST MURDER AT 65.

MORE THAN THREE DECADES OF DEATH

WITH SCORES OF VICTIMS.

HE'D NEVER TALLIED IT UP.

HE HAD REALLY NO IDEA HOW MANY HE KILLED.

HE STARTED TO DO STATE LISTS

AND THEN NUMBERS PER STATE.

THAT'S WHEN WE GOT TO THE NUMBER,

WHICH WAS PRETTY STAGGERING.

IT CAME OUT TO OVER 90 VICTIMS

THAT HE WAS CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR KILLING.

THE TEAM HAS JUST ONE MORE DAY WITH LITTLE

AND SO MUCH GROUND TO COVER.

WE WANTED TO KEEP HIM TALKING.

HE'S ELDERLY. HE HAD HEALTH ISSUES.

WE KNEW THAT HE WOULD TAKE THOSE SECRETS WITH HIM.

THAT IS, UNLESS THE TEAM CAN GET HIM BACK TO TEXAS

TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

HOLLAND PROMISES TO GET THE DEATH PENALTY WAIVED

IF LITTLE PLEADS GUILTY TO DENISE'S KILLING.

AT THEIR HOTEL LATER THAT NIGHT,

THE TEAM'S WORK HAS JUST BEGUN.

WE RECONVENED BACK IN ONE ROOM.

JIM WAS ON THE PHONE WORKING WITH THE PROSECUTOR.

LITTLE HAD SAID HE WANTED A LETTER.

JIM WAS TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN

SO HE COULD BRING IT TO LITTLE THE NEXT DAY AND SHOW HIM,

"HEY, LOOK, I'M A MAN OF MY WORD.

YOU SAID GET THIS FOR YOU. I GOT IT FOR YOU.

LET'S TALK SOME MORE."

STILL, ONE BIG QUESTION LINGERS.

CAN LITTLE BE TRUSTED?

WHEN KNEW ODESSA LOOKED GREAT IN TERMS OF HIS TRUTHFULNESS,

HIS ACCURACY, HIS RECOLLECTION.

BUT WE'RE LIKE, "ARE THESE OTHER CASES REAL?"

I WAS THE NAYSAYER OF THE GROUP.

WHEN WE'RE IN THE '90s,

I THOUGHT, NO WAY. HE'S EXAGGERATING.

THEY PORE OVER LITTLE'S STORIES,

NOTING EVERY TINY DETAIL.

WE HAD THE CONFESSION REPLAYING,

AND ANGELA AND I ARE RELISTENING TO THE INTERVIEW,

TAKING MORE NOTES,

AND THEN WE'RE FURIOUSLY SEARCHING ON THE INTERNET.

WE'RE IN ViCAP. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND CASES

THAT ARE MATCHING BACK UP TO HIS CONFESSION.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, I JUST KIND OF FROZE.

AND ANGELA LOOKS OVER AT ME, AND SHE'S LIKE, "WHAT?"

I SAID, "I THINK I FOUND NANCY."

SAMUEL LITTLE CONFESSED TO KILLING A WOMAN

HE KNEW AS NANCY IN 2005,

AND HE TOLD US THAT SHE WAS HIS VERY LAST ONE.

IN THE SUMMER OF 2005,

DETECTIVE NADIS CARLISLE CATCHES A MURDER CASE

FROM OVER THE BORDER IN MISSISSIPPI.

WE GOT A CALL THAT NANCY STEVENS

HAD TURNED UP DEAD

THREE MILES FROM TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,

WHERE SHE DIED FROM MANUAL STRANGULATION.

TWO PASSING MOTORISTS WERE GOING DOWN THE ROAD

AND SAW HER BODY DUMPED UNCEREMONIOUSLY.

I WANTED TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE THE DEATH NOTIFICATION

BECAUSE I DID KNOW THE FAMILY MEMBERS.

CARLISLE PLAYED FOOTBALL WITH NANCY'S BROTHERS IN HIGH SCHOOL.

NANCY WAS A STRAIGHT-A STUDENT.

SHE WAS A SWEET PERSON. SHE WAS A TRUSTING PERSON.

SHE JUST GOT ALONG WITH EVERYONE THAT I KNEW OF.

OH, YEAH, SHE WAS REAL SMART.

AFTER HIGH SCHOOL, ME AND HER ACTUALLY WENT

TO CALHOUN COMMUNITY COLLEGE TOGETHER,

AND WE WAS TAKING CLASSES THERE.

BUT WITH A YOUNG SON TO SUPPORT, NANCY LEFT COLLEGE

FOR AN ASSEMBLY LINE JOB AT GENERAL MOTORS.

THAT'S WHEN WE START NOTICING THE CHANGE.

SHE JUST GOT HOLD TO THE WRONG... THE WRONG DRUG.

YOU KNOW?

SHE GOT HOOKED ON CRACK.

MY MAMA WOULD JUST STAY ON HER A LOT AND TELLING HER,

"YOU NEED TO QUIT RUNNING THE STREETS."

STOP GETTING IN CARS WITH PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW,

'CAUSE THEY GONNA TAKE YOU SOMEWHERE AND HURT YOU,

AND WE WON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.

SHE WOULD TAKE TRIPS. SHE HAD A COUPLE OF FRIENDS.

SHE WOULD GO OUT OF TOWN.

NANCY LEAVES TOWN ON ONE OF THOSE TRIPS

IN AUGUST 2005.

WE WERE USED TO OUR GOING OFF AND STAYING A COUPLE OF NIGHTS.

WE DIDN'T THINK NOTHING OF IT. WE JUST FIGURED, YOU KNOW,

SHE'LL BE BACK IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

THIS TIME, NANCY DOESN'T COME BACK.

I HATED TO MAKE THE DEATH NOTIFICATION,

BUT I DID WANT TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE IT.

I WAS HOPING THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER,

BUT IT'S NEVER EASY.

IT WAS PRETTY TOUGH.

IN TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,

WHERE NANCY'S BODY IS FOUND, THERE ARE FEW LEADS.

BACK HOME IN DECATUR,

CARLISLE TRACKS DOWN A POTENTIAL SUSPECT...

A TRUCK DRIVER KNOWN FOR GIVING NANCY RIDES.

I TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS FACING A HOMICIDE CHARGE,

THAT WE THOUGHT HE HAD KILLED NANCY.

BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE NEARLY THE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE WE NEEDED

TO CHARGE HIM WITH HOMICIDE, SO WE DIDN'T.

CARLISLE RELEASES THE TRUCK DRIVER,

AND AS THE MONTHS GO BY, NO NEW SUSPECTS EMERGE.

I KNEW NADIS WAS WORKING ON IT, BUT THEY JUST RAN OUT OF LEADS.

WE WERE UNABLE TO FIND OUT WHO HER KILLER WAS,

BUT I NEVER GAVE UP.

I DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WOULD BE,

BUT I ALWAYS KEPT HOPE,

KEPT HOPE THAT SOMEDAY SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN.

ON THE 10th ANNIVERSARY OF NANCY'S MURDER,

CARLISLE CONVINCES HER SON

TO TALK TO THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER ABOUT THE CASE.

THREE YEARS LATER,

THAT STORY GRABS PALAZZOLO'S ATTENTION.

I WAS ON THE COMPUTER,

AND I FOUND A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE

WHERE THEY HAD INTERVIEWED THE SON OF A WOMAN

NAMED NANCY STEVENS WHO HAD BEEN KILLED IN 2005,

WHOSE BODY WAS FOUND ON A ROADSIDE

JUST OUTSIDE OF TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI.

I REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY THEY HAVE A PICTURE

OF HER SON IN HIS BEDROOM

POINTING TO A PICTURE OF HIS MOM ON THE WALL.

HE SAID THAT HE DROVE WITH NANCY TO

THAT PLACE TO MISSISSIPPI WHERE ELVIS HAD A HOME.

HE COULDN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE TOWN,

BUT THAT'S WHAT HE ASSOCIATED WITH.

AND IT TURNS OUT HE HAD A HOME IN TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,

AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE FALLING INTO PLACE.

THAT'S WHEN I KNEW WE HAD SOMETHING MORE ON OUR HANDS,

THAT MAYBE HE REALLY WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.

IF HE REALLY IS GOOD FOR THIS MANY CASES,

THINK OF HOW MANY CASE CLOSURES WE CAN MAKE

THAT WOULD HELP SO MANY FAMILIES OUT THERE.

WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE BIG.

RANGER JIM HOLLAND ENDS THE FIRST DAY OF INTERVIEWS

ON SAMUEL LITTLE'S GOOD SIDE,

BUT THE TEAM KNOWS THAT COULD CHANGE IN A HEARTBEAT.

THE BIGGEST FEAR WAS THAT SOMETHING WOULD ANNOY HIM,

AND HE WOULD STOP COMMUNICATING,

THAT HE WOULD JUST TELL US TO GET LOST.

WE KNEW WHAT WE HAD TO LOSE.

IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU THINK SOMEONE'S LYING.

IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU THINK,

"I'VE GOT ALL THE CASES OUT OF THEM."

WE KNEW WE DIDN'T.

AT THE START OF THE SECOND DAY OF QUESTIONING,

THE STAKES COULDN'T BE HIGHER.

"TO WHO IT MAY CONCERN,

THE ECTOR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY,

R.N. "BOBBY" BLAND, WILL AGREE TO WAIVE THE DEATH PENALTY

AGAINST SAMUEL McDOWELL, A.K.A. SAMUEL LITTLE,

IN EXCHANGE FOR A PLEA OF GUILTY

AND AGREED SENTENCE OF LIFE IMPRISONMENT

TO THE MURDER OF DENISE CHRISTIE BROTHERS."

BUT LITTLE IS WARY OF POLICE BEARING GIFTS.

YEAH.

IT'S TIME TO MAKE ONE FINAL PITCH.

IT'S THE BREAKTHROUGH THE TEAM'S BEEN HOPING FOR.

LITTLE AGREES TO EXTRADITION BACK TO TEXAS,

BUT HOLLAND STILL NEEDS MORE EVIDENCE

TO PROVE LITTLE KILLED DENISE BROTHERS.

PROSECUTORS SAID, "ALL WE HAVE IS HIS CONFESSION,

AND IT'S A GOOD ONE.

BUT YOU GOT TO GIVE ME SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE COULD KNOW

THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN DISCOVERED."

AND SO JIM WENT BACK TO LITTLE AND SAID,

"ALL RIGHT, TELL ME MORE."

HOLLAND STARTS PROBING FOR BASIC FACTS.

SO FAR, LITTLE HASN'T REVEALED ANYTHING

ONLY THE KILLER WOULD KNOW.

HOLLAND PRESSES HIM HARDER FOR SPECIFICS.

FINALLY, A POTENTIAL CLUE HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT.

HE STARTED DESCRIBING THIS OTHER PIPE THAT WAS THERE,

AND SO THEY WENT THROUGH THEIR CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS,

AND THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING

THAT MATCHED UP WITH THIS DESCRIPTION.

AND A LITTLE LATER ON, THEY WENT BACK TO THE EVIDENCE ROOM,

AND THEY FOUND A ROLL OF 35-MILLIMETER FILM

THAT HAD NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.

AND SURE ENOUGH, THEY WERE CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS.

AND IN ONE OF THEM, IT SHOWED THIS PIPE

THAT LITTLE HAD BEEN DESCRIBING.

THE TEAM SHARES THEIR FINDINGS WITH THE D.A.'S OFFICE.

THAT WAS ENOUGH THAT FINALLY THE PROSECUTOR

WAS LIKE, "THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED.

NOBODY ELSE KNEW ABOUT THIS.

HE WAS ABLE TO DESCRIBE THAT WITH SUCH ACCURATE DETAIL.

THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED."

FOR DENISE'S SON DAMIEN,

THE 24 YEARS SINCE HER MURDER HAVE TAKEN THEIR TOLL.

AFTER YEARS AND YEARS OF MY MOM BEING MISSING,

IT'S THAT POINT WHERE YOU KIND OF JUST

THROW YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR AND YOU GIVE UP.

IT TAKES A LOT TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING

ALL YOUR LIFE LIKE THIS.

AND IT'S NOT EASY, YOU KNOW?

THERE WAS SOMEBODY FOR EACH OF THESE VICTIMS

THAT ABSOLUTELY MISSED THEM, THAT LOVED THEM,

THAT HAS BEEN WONDERING ALL OF THIS TIME WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.

IN JUST TWO DAYS OF INTERVIEWS,

THE TEAM IS ON THEIR WAY TO CLOSING THE CASES

OF DENISE BROTHERS AND NANCY STEVENS,

WITH LEADS ON ALMOST 20 MORE.

EVEN SO, THEY HAVE AN UPHILL BATTLE AHEAD OF THEM.

AFTER HE INDICATED HOW MANY HE KILLED,

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T LOSE THE CHANCE

TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

WE KNEW THERE WAS ALMOST 100 CASES TO RISK.

IT WAS HUGE PRESSURE TO GET HIM EXTRADITED

SO HE WOULD TELL US ABOUT THE REST.

CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO, ANGELA WILLIAMSON,

AND JIM HOLLAND HAVE EXTRACTED 20 CONFESSIONS

FROM SERIAL KILLER SAMUEL LITTLE.

WE WERE ONLY IN INTERVIEWS WITH LITTLE FOR TWO DAYS.

HE HAD GIVEN US SPECIFIC, DETAILED CONFESSIONS

FOR 20 CASES,

BUT WE KNEW THAT, THEREFORE, WE HAD ALMOST 70 MORE

THAT WE NEEDED TO GET OUT OF HIM

THAT HE TOLD US HE WOULD TELL US ABOUT WHEN HE GOT TO TEXAS.

SO EXTRADITION TO TEXAS WAS OUR NUMBER-ONE PRIORITY.

WHILE HOLLAND GETS STARTED ON THAT FRONT,

PALAZZOLO AND WILLIAMSON HEAD BACK TO THE FBI.

GETTING LITTLE TO TEXAS IS NO EASY FEAT.

THAT WHOLE PROCESS... IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.

THERE ARE A LOT OF APPROVALS.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF HICCUPS ALONG THE ROAD.

AND THAT WAS THE BIGGEST STRESS ON ALL OF US,

MAKING SURE WE COULD GET HIM EXTRADITED TO TEXAS

SO HE WOULD CONTINUE TALKING TO RANGER HOLLAND.

THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST STRESSFUL TIME

OF THE INVESTIGATION BECAUSE WE KNEW WHAT WE HAD TO LOSE.

WE WERE SO CONCERNED THAT SOMETHING WOULD GET OUT

AND THAT ANOTHER AGENCY WOULD JUMP AHEAD OF US

AND TRY TO GET HIM EXTRADITED SOMEWHERE ELSE

AND, THEREFORE, JIM WOULD LOSE ACCESS TO HIM,

AND WE WOULD LOSE 70 CONFESSIONS.

SO, AT THAT TIME,

WE WEREN'T RELEASING HIS NAME, EVEN TO OTHER AGENCIES.

WE WEREN'T TELLING THEM WHO HE WAS.

THEIR GOAL IS TO LINK AS MANY CASES

AS THEY CAN TO LITTLE.

CLUES LIE IN HIS ART.

LITTLE WOULD SPEND SOME TIME,

THINK ABOUT THE VICTIM,

THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM,

TRY TO VISUALIZE THE VICTIM AS CLEARLY AS HE CAN.

THIS IS HIS MEMORY FROM SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED

30, SOMETIMES 40, YEARS AGO.

BUT EVERY TIME WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MATCH A CASE BACK

WHERE HE'S DONE A DRAWING,

THERE'S BEEN ONE ASPECT OF THAT PORTRAIT

THAT HAS BEEN SPOT-ON.

SOMETIMES IT'S HER SMILE.

SOMETIMES IT IS A NECKLACE THAT SHE'S WEARING.

SOMETIMES IT'S THE HAIRSTYLE.

THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT HIS DRAWINGS

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE.

NOT EVERYTHING IS SO STRAIGHTFORWARD.

FIRST OF ALL, LITTLE WAS NOT GOOD ABOUT TIME FRAMES.

HE WASN'T VERY GOOD AT WHAT YEAR EVERYTHING HAPPENED.

WITH THE BROTHERS CASE, HE WAS OFF BY A DECADE.

SO THAT WAS OUR EXAMPLE, SO WE KNEW

HE COULD BE OFF BY AS MANY AS 10 YEARS ON EITHER SIDE.

ALSO, HE HAS NO IDEA WHERE JURISDICTIONAL LINES ARE.

SO, TO HIM, HE'S PICKING UP A VICTIM IN ATLANTA.

THEN HE DRIVES OUT A DIRT ROAD AND DUMPS THEIR BODY.

WELL, IS HE STILL IN ATLANTA PD'S JURISDICTION?

IS HE IN THE COUNTY? IS HE IN A SURROUNDING COUNTY?

IT'S LAYER UPON LAYER OF COMPLICATION.

PER CONFESSION, WE PROBABLY CONTACTED

AT LEAST THREE TO FIVE AGENCIES

TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE CASE THAT LITTLE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

SO WE'RE CONTACTING THESE AGENCIES, TELLING THEM,

"WE HAVE THIS OFFENDER IN CUSTODY

WHO'S CONFESSING TO A HOMICIDE

THAT MIGHT BE IN YOUR JURISDICTION.

GO BACK TO YOUR FILES ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1970.

GIVE HIM A 20-YEAR BUFFER FOR A HOMICIDE

THAT MIGHT BE WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION

AND TRY TO FIND CASES THAT MATCH UP

TO THESE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES.

OH, AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU WHO HE IS.

WE'RE NOT RELEASING HIS NAME."

WE DIDN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF FRIENDS

OFF OF THOSE PHONE CALLS.

AS THE TEAM LOOKS FOR MORE CASES,

THEY NEED ADDITIONAL TOOLS AND RESOURCES.

WE'D START WITH ViCAP, BUT UNFORTUNATELY,

VERY FEW OF THESE CASES WERE IN ViCAP.

- DADE COUNTY. - DADE COUNTY?

AGAIN AND AGAIN, THEY RETURNED

TO LITTLE'S INTERVIEWS FOR LEADS.

IN THE CITY OR IN THE COUNTY?

YEAH.

LITTLE COULD RECALL NEWSPAPER HEADLINES,

WHICH WERE VERY HELPFUL,

OR HE MIGHT REMEMBER KEY DETAILS.

WE GOT A SUBSCRIPTION TO newspapers.com,

AND WE'D JUST GO THROUGH DAY AFTER DAY,

JUST READING ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE,

TRYING DIFFERENT KEYWORDS, TRYING DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS

OF FACTORS THAT HE MENTIONED IN HIS CONFESSION.

ONE OF THE CASES HE REMEMBERED THE HEADLINE...

SHE WAS IN THE SEX INDUSTRY,

AND HE THOUGHT SHE HAD SOME MENTAL-HEALTH ISSUES.

AND ALL THOSE DETAILS WERE IN THE ARTICLE.

THAT'S HOW I FOUND HER. I KNEW SHE WAS IN FLORIDA.

HE REMEMBERED SHE'D BEEN FROM INDIANA.

WHO WOULD REMEMBER THAT A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM THE 1970s

CALLED THIS GIRL A LOST SOUL?

THE VICTIM IS 25-YEAR-OLD ANGELA CHAPMAN,

STRANGLED BY LITTLE IN 1976.

WHEN YOU FIND A LITTLE CASE, YOU KNOW YOU'VE FOUND IT.

EVERYTHING THAT HE SAYS MATCHES UP

BECAUSE HE'S NOT TELLING YOU GENERIC DETAILS.

AND IN THAT CASE,

HE REMEMBERED WHEN HE DISPOSED OF HER BODY,

THERE WERE SOME WEIRD ARCHES IN A DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING.

AND WE'RE LIKE, "THAT'S REALLY RANDOM.

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?"

AND WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO THE AGENCY AND SAID,

"WE'VE GOT THIS KILLER. THIS IS HER NAME.

CAN YOU GO PULL HER FILE?"

IN THE CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS WERE THE ARCHES.

THE THING THAT STOOD OUT MOST WHEN WE'RE LISTENING

AND WATCHING LITTLE TALK

IS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT HE'S ABLE TO RECALL.

IT'S ALMOST AS IF HE IS TRANSPORTING HIMSELF

BACK TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME.

WHILE WAITING FOR SAMUEL LITTLE'S

EXTRADITION TO TEXAS,

CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO AND ANGELA WILLIAMSON

MINE EVERY DETAIL FROM HIS INTERVIEWS.

EACH ONE, TO HIM, IS A SELF-CONTAINED STORY

ABOUT HOW HE MET THE VICTIM, THEIR INTERACTION,

HOW HE KILLED THEM, AND THEN HOW HE LEFT.

YOU KNOW, SOME SERIAL KILLERS TAKE TROPHIES.

THEY'LL TAKE JEWELRY FROM THEIR VICTIMS.

THEY'LL TAKE CLOTHING.

SAMUEL LITTLE'S TROPHIES WERE HIS MEMORIES,

AND HE KIND OF TAKES THESE MENTAL TROPHIES

THAT HE HAS, AND HE PUTS THEM ON PAPER.

TO GAIN LITTLE'S TRUST,

HOLLAND TREATS HIM WITH RESPECT,

EVEN PARROTING THE KILLER'S GUTTER LANGUAGE.

THERE WERE MOMENTS THAT LITTLE WAS KIND OF TESTING JIM,

TRYING TO SEE HOW HE WOULD REACT AND WHAT HIS REACTION WOULD BE.

AND JIM WAS ABLE TO JUST ROLL WITH IT

AND KEEP ASKING THE QUESTIONS,

AND HE GOT MORE CONFESSIONS BY DOING THAT.

YEAH.

PERVERSELY, LITTLE SUGGESTS THERE WAS NO ILL WILL

BETWEEN HIM AND HIS VICTIMS.

MM-HMM.

PARTICULARLY IT'S PEOPLE THAT HE PICKS UP.

THEY'RE EXPENDABLE WOMEN FOR HIM,

AND THEY SERVE A PURPOSE.

THESE ARE OBJECTS FOR HIM

THAT ARE A VEHICLE FOR HIM TO GET PLEASURE.

THAT'S ALL THAT THEY ARE.

ONCE HE'S GOTTEN THAT PLEASURE,

HE'S GOTTEN WHAT HE WANTS FROM THEM,

THEN THEY ARE TRASH.

HE JUST THROWS THEM AWAY.

SO WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES LITTLE TICK?

ALL OF THESE WERE SEXUALLY MOTIVATED CRIMES.

THAT'S WHAT. HE GOT ENJOYMENT OUT OF.

SAM LITTLE... HE WANTED TO SEE THEM,

HE WANTED HIS THUMBS TO BE IN THEIR THROAT

WHILE THEY'RE SWALLOWING.

HE WANTED TO FEEL ALL THAT.

HE ENJOYED THE ACT OF STRANGLING THEM.

HE WANTED THEM TO BE CONSCIOUS WHILE HE WAS DOING IT.

HE DIDN'T ENJOY KILLING THEM, PER SAY.

HE ENJOYED STRANGLING THEM.

HE TOLD US THAT FROM THE AGE OF 5,

HE FOUND HIMSELF SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO A WOMAN'S NECK.

WHEN IT COMES TO LITTLE'S FASCINATION WITH THE NECK,

HE DOESN'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW.

AND AS HE SAYS,

MAYBE THE WIRES IN HIS BRAIN ARE JUST BROKEN,

AND I THINK WE JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT,

BECAUSE HOW ELSE DO YOU RECONCILE?

YEAH.

WHEN HE'S ABOUT 15, HIS FOCUS CLARIFIES.

YEAH.

MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

NOT ONLY DOES TRUE CRIME INDULGE LITTLE'S FETISH,

IT TEACHES HIM HOW TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER.

HE SPENT TIME AS A CHILD

READING THE OLD DETECTIVE MAGAZINES

AND LEARNING FROM THEM

WHAT INVESTIGATORS WOULD DO AT A SCENE.

IT WAS ACTUALLY TRAINING HIM

HOW TO NOT LEAVE EVIDENCE.

SO EVEN BEFORE DNA EXISTED,

HE KNEW ABOUT FINGERPRINTS AND HAIR, FIBERS,

THINGS THAT COULD BE TRANSFERRED.

AND HE WAS ALWAYS CONSCIOUS AT THE CRIME SCENE

TO NOT LEAVE ANYTHING BEHIND, LONG BEFORE DNA.

AFTER FANTASIZING FOR YEARS,

LITTLE CROSSES THE LINE AT AGE 30

AND KILLS HIS FIRST VICTIM.

YEAH.

YEAH.

YEAH.

NOT ONLY IS LITTLE ADEPT AT COVERING HIS TRACKS,

HE'S A PRO AT TALKING HIS WAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

IN 1982, LITTLE IS PASSING THROUGH

THE SMALL TOWN OF OCALA, FLORIDA.

ON AUGUST 12th,

HE'S ON A SO-CALLED DATE WITH A WOMAN NAMED ROSIE HILL.

HE DRIVES HER TO A DESERTED SPOT BEHIND A FACTORY.

OKAY.

WITH NO WAY OUT, LITTLE MUST THINK FAST.

YEAH.

YEAH.

TWO YEARS LATER, LITTLE TRIES THE SAME TACTIC

WITH POLICE IN SAN DIEGO,

BUT THEY DON'T FALL FOR IT.

HE STILL THINKS ABOUT THAT CLOSE CALL IN OCALA.

THE TEAM HAS GONE DEEP INTO THE MIND OF A MONSTER,

BUT THEY HAVE 70 MORE MURDERS TO INVESTIGATE,

70 MORE FAMILIES WHO HAVE NEVER HAD ANSWERS.

THAT'S WHY THEY NEED TO GET LITTLE TO TEXAS

AND KEEP HIM TALKING.

THESE WERE HIS STORIES,

AND HE GETS ANIMATED WHEN HE TELLS THEM.

HIS EYES LIGHT UP.

HE GETS EXCITED ABOUT IT.

BUT THEY ALL END WITH, "AND THEN I KILLED HER."

YEAH.

MONTHS INTO THE INVESTIGATION,

AS THEY WAIT FOR SAMUEL LITTLE TO MOVE TO TEXAS,

PALAZZOLO AND WILLIAMSON CONTINUE PORING OVER

HIS INTERROGATION TAPES

IN THE HOPES OF I.D.ing MORE VICTIMS.

AS WE STARTED REALLY DIGGING INTO WHAT HE WAS SAYING,

THE DETAILS HE WAS PROVIDING,

HE'S ABLE TO TAKE HIMSELF BACK

TO THE TIME OF HIS INTERACTION WITH THE VICTIM.

IN ONE INSTANCE, HE COULD REMEMBER

HE TOOK THE VICTIM OUT TO DINNER BEFOREHAND.

HE COULD REMEMBER WHAT SHE ORDERED.

WHEN WE GO BACK IN FROM THE AUTOPSY REPORT,

THE VICTIM'S STOMACH CONTENTS... AN ABSOLUTE MATCH

TO WHAT HE SAID SHE HAD ORDERED FOR DINNER THAT NIGHT.

THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS RELIVED, REHEARSED,

THOUGHT ABOUT, KEPT THESE MEMORIES AS FRESH AS POSSIBLE.

AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT ALLOWS HIM

TO REMEMBER SUCH DETAIL,

BECAUSE HE HAS PROBABLY KILLED THESE INDIVIDUALS

IN HIS MIND THOUSANDS OF TIMES.

THEY'RE ETCHED IN HIS MIND FOREVER,

AND HE CAN DRAW.

HE DRAWS ALL THIS, SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SAM LITTLE.

POLICE LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA

FIRST HEARD ABOUT LITTLE IN 2010

WHEN HE STARTED PASCAGOULA, MISSISSIPPI'S, COLD-CASE UNIT.

THERE WERE 26 UNSOLVED COLD CASES.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS RATHER A LOT FOR A SMALL TOWN.

ONE OF THOSE VICTIMS WAS MELINDA LaPREE,

STRANGLED TO DEATH IN 1982.

HE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME

HE WANTED TO OPEN UP HER COLD CASE.

HE ASKED ME FOR A PICTURE OF MINDY

SO HE COULD PUT IT ON HIS DESK

AND SEE HER AS A PERSON, NOT JUST A CASE FILE.

THAT CONVINCED ME THAT THIS GUY WAS SINCERE,

AND I WAS PLEASED THAT SOMEBODY

ACTUALLY WANTED TO BRING IT BACK UP

'CAUSE COLD CASES ARE VERY HARD TO LIVE WITH.

SAMUEL LITTLE WAS A SUSPECT IN THE CASE FROM THE START,

BUT WAS NEVER CHARGED.

NOW VERSIGA IS CONVINCED HE KILLED MINDY

AND MANY MORE WOMEN.

I HAD MADE CALLS TO FLORIDA, TO GEORGIA,

LOOKING AT OLD HOMICIDE CASES THAT WERE UNSOLVED

AND SAYING, "LOOK, IF YOU GOT PROSTITUTES,

YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THE SAM LITTLE."

THE MURDERS OF SEX WORKERS

ARE NOTORIOUSLY HARD TO SOLVE,

AND BECAUSE LITTLE'S VICTIMS WERE OFTEN FOUND WEEKS,

EVEN MONTHS, AFTER DEATH,

IT'S HARD TO PICK UP HIS TRAIL.

SOMETIMES THESE VICTIMS WEREN'T FLAGGED AS HOMICIDES

'CAUSE OF THE WAY HE KILLED THEM.

IF THEY WERE FOUND, YOU KNOW, DECOMPOSED,

YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE STRANGULATION.

ESPECIALLY IF THEY DO IDENTIFY THE VICTIM,

SOMETIMES THEY WOULD CHALK IT UP TO A DRUG OVERDOSE

AND NEVER EVEN RULE IT A HOMICIDE,

JUST AN ACCIDENTAL DEATH.

YEAH, I GOTCHA.

WE GOT STUCK ON ONE CASE. WE KNEW THE GIRL'S NAME.

HER NAME WAS MARTHA.

AND WE KNEW ALL THESE DETAILS ABOUT HER.

WE KNEW WHERE SHE LIVED

AND ALL THIS GREAT INFORMATION.

WE WERE JUST MIND-BOGGLED. "WHY AREN'T WE FINDING A CASE?"

AND THANKFULLY, A LOCAL PERSON

FROM THE LAW-ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THOUGHT,

"WHAT IF IT WASN'T RULED A HOMICIDE?"

AND SHE WENT AND LOOKED AT THE M.E.'s RECORDS

AND FOUND HER CASE.

IT WAS RULED ACCIDENTAL.

AND SO THAT WAS A HUGE TURNING POINT FOR US,

AND THAT HELPED US FIND A LOT MORE CASES.

THE TEAM IS MAKING PROGRESS,

BUT LITTLE IS STILL IN L.A.,

WITH SO MANY SECRETS YET TO BE REVEALED.

WE WERE ALL ON PINS AND NEEDLES,

WORRIED THAT SOME HEALTH SCARE WOULD CROP UP.

AND THERE WERE TIMES WE THOUGHT, "OH, NO," YOU KNOW,

"HE'S NOT DOING WELL TODAY,"

OR HE HAD SOME EPISODE AND WE WERE GONNA LOSE HIM.

FINALLY, ON SEPTEMBER 24th, 2018,

SAMUEL LITTLE IS EXTRADITED TEMPORARILY

FROM L.A. COUNTY TO TEXAS.

DETECTIVE JUSTIN CAID FLIES OUT TO CALIFORNIA TO ESCORT HIM.

I FIRST MET SAMUEL LITTLE IN A HOLDING CELL.

I EXPECTED TO SEE A VIOLENT KILLER

SHACKLED UP,

SOMEONE THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ON GUARD WITH.

AND THEN I FIRST SAW HIM ROLLED OUT,

AND I SAW A FRAGILE MAN SITTING IN HIS WHEELCHAIR.

HE HAD A SMILE ON HIS FACE.

I SAW HIS HANDS. HE HAD REALLY LARGE HANDS.

WHO KNOWS HOW MANY NECKS THAT THOSE HANDS HAVE STRANGLED?

CAID ACCOMPANIES THE SERIAL KILLER

ABOARD THE TEXAS RANGERS JET.

SAMUEL LITTLE WAS RESTRAINED

IN LEG RESTRAINTS AND HAND RESTRAINTS.

I SAT DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM,

AND THEN RANGER HOLLAND SAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE.

IT ALL SEEMS ROUTINE

UNTIL LITTLE STARTS TALKING.

DURING THE FLIGHT, SAMUEL LITTLE STARTED DISCUSSING

SOME OF THE MURDERS,

OR REMINISCING ON SOME OF THE MURDERS

THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN.

THERE WAS NO REGARD OR REMORSE FOR WHAT HE DID.

IT WAS A MIX BETWEEN REMEMBERING HIS YOUNGER DAYS

AND AROUSAL.

IT WAS MOST DEFINITELY CREEPY TO BE AROUND.

JUST AFTER THE PLANE LANDS IN TEXAS,

LITTLE IS WHISKED TO THE COURTHOUSE.

HE IMMEDIATELY FACED CHARGES IN ECTOR COUNTY,

WHICH IS WHERE ODESSA IS,

FOR THE DENISE BROTHERS HOMICIDE.

AT THE COURTHOUSE, SAM WAS QUIET.

YOU JUST SAT IN HIS WHEELCHAIR THE WHOLE TIME,

DISCUSSED SOME THINGS WITH HIS ATTORNEY.

AND IT WAS A REAL SHORT HEARING,

DENISE'S SON DAMIEN HAS THE OPTION TO ATTEND,

BUT HAS SECOND THOUGHTS.

I CHOSE NOT TO GO.

I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SEE HIM IN THE EYES

AND LOOK AT HIM.

I THINK I'VE GOT ENOUGH OF WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND SEEN ON TV.

I THINK I'VE HAD MY FILL.

I HAVE NO ANGER TOWARDS SAMUEL.

I'M GLAD THAT HE'S STARTING TO CONFESS

AND OPEN UP TO THESE OTHER MURDERS

THAT OTHER FAMILIES THAT NEED CLOSURE

OR NEED ANSWERS TO, JUST LIKE I GOT.

DENISE BROTHERS... SHE'S KIND OF THE ONE

THAT BROKE THIS ALL OPEN.

THAT WAS THE LEAD THAT I'D IDENTIFIED BACK IN 2014,

AND THAT'S WHAT LED TO JIM GETTING OUT THERE

AND ALL OF THESE CONFESSIONS.

DENISE HOLDS A PLACE IN MY HEART FOR THAT.

AFTER THE HEARING, LITTLE IS BACK ON THE MOVE,

SAME DAY, HE WAS FLOWN UP TO DECATUR, TEXAS,

AND HOUSED THERE.

LITTLE WILL STAY HERE CLOSE TO HOLLAND'S OFFICE

WHILE DENISE'S CASE MOVES THROUGH THE COURTS.

THAT GIVES THE TEAM TIME TO PRESS THE KILLER

FOR MORE INFORMATION.

SAMMY HAD A LITTLE VACATION OUT OF CONFESSING

TO THE HOMICIDES THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN.

HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EAT WELL FOR A LITTLE BIT.

HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE HIS OWN ART STUDIO

AND PAINT THE FACES OF HIS VICTIMS.

HE GETS TO RELIVE THOSE FACES

IN ADDITION TO US BEING ABLE TO CLOSE THOSE CASES.

IF A FAMILY MEMBER OR A LOVED ONE

SEES THAT PORTRAIT...

...THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT, YEAH,

THAT THAT'S EXACTLY HOW SHE WORE HER HAIR,

OR THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I REMEMBER HER SMILE.

I DID SEE THE PORTRAIT HE DREW OF MY MOM.

HE CAN REMEMBER ALL THOSE THINGS.

IT'S KIND OF BURNT AN IMAGE IN HIS MIND OF WHEN HE KILLS THEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING,

BUT IT'S A GOOD THING THESE PICTURES ARE MATCHING UP

TO WOMEN THAT HE'S DONE KILLED.

NOW THE TEAM WANTS DETAILS

ON THE OTHER 70 MURDERS LITTLE'S CONFESSED TO.

ANGELA AND I WENT OUT TO TEXAS,

AND, AGAIN, WE WERE IN AN ADJOINING ROOM,

AND THIS TIME WE HAD A VIDEO FEED AND AN AUDIO FEED.

JIM WENT IN AND MET WITH LITTLE, TALKING TO HIM ABOUT CASES,

SOMETIMES NOT TALKING TO HIM ABOUT ANYTHING AT ALL,

JUST KEEPING THAT RELATIONSHIP GOING,

KEEPING THOSE LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN,

KEEPING LITTLE HAPPY ENOUGH TO TALK.

AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER AGENCIES GOING IN

WHERE WE KNOW THEY HAVE MATCHES,

JUST GETTING LITTLE TO VERIFY IT

SO THEY CAN CLOSE THEIR CASES OUT.

IN OCTOBER 2013, RICK BELL,

ASSISTANT PROSECUTOR FOR CUYAHOGA COUNTY, OHIO,

GETS AN URGENT MESSAGE.

THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAD EVER EVEN HEARD OF THE NAME

SAMUEL LITTLE WAS FROM ANGELA WILLIAMSON.

SHE SENT ME AN E-MAIL REFERENCING CASES

THAT SHE SUSPECTED LITTLE HAD COMMITTED

IN THE STATE OF OHIO.

THERE WERE THREE CLEVELAND CASES

THAT LITTLE HAD SAID THAT HE HAD COMMITTED A MURDER.

IN TWO OF THE CASES, WILLIAMSON AND PALAZZOLO

HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL MATCHES

IN THE ViCAP DATABASE.

NOW IT WILL BE UP TO THE CLEVELAND AUTHORITIES

TO SEAL THE DEAL.

LITTLE HAD SOME DETAILS

IN THAT INITIAL STATEMENT THAT HE'D MADE,

ENOUGH THAT WE HOPEFULLY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK

AND FIND THOSE CASES AND TRY TO VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT

WHAT HE WAS TELLING US WAS THE TRUTH.

PROSECUTOR RICK BELL HAS BEEN ALERTED

TO THREE MURDERS IN THE CLEVELAND AREA

THAT SAMUEL LITTLE CONFESSED TO.

ONCE WE FIND ONE THAT'S PROMISING,

WE SEND IT TO THE AGENCY AND SAY,

"ALL RIGHT, LOOK AT THIS CASE. PULL THIS FILE."

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE PUSH THE INFORMATION

BACK TO THE AGENCIES TO MAKE THE ARREST,

TO RESOLVE THE CASE, TO CONTACT THE FAMILIES.

LITTLE HAS LEFT SOME CLUES

FOR THE CLEVELAND INVESTIGATORS.

THE FIRST LEADS TO A HOMICIDE FROM THE EARLY 1980s.

ON JULY 3rd, 1984,

DECOMPOSED REMAINS ARE DISCOVERED

IN AN INDUSTRIAL PART OF TOWN.

WORKERS HAD SEEN SOME BODY FLUIDS

COMING UNDERNEATH THE DOOR WELL

INTO THE BASEMENT OF THE MANUFACTURING PLANT.

AND THEY LOOKED INTO THE STAIRWELL ITSELF

AND FOUND THE BODY.

THE BODY WASN'T DISCOVERED

POSSIBLY FOR A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS

AFTER SHE HAD BEEN KILLED.

VICTIM IS MARY JO PEYTON.

MARY JO HAD GOTTEN IN SOME TROUBLE.

HER FINGERPRINT HAD BEEN TAKEN, SO ULTIMATELY,

SHE WAS IDENTIFIED THROUGH A FINGERPRINT.

LITTLE SAYS HE MET HER AT A BAR.

SHE WAS ALONE AT THE BAR.

LITTLE TOOK HER IN HIS CAR

WITH THE PROMISE OF GETTING MORE ALCOHOL,

AND SHE WENT WITH HIM IN ORDER TO DRINK WITH THIS MAN

THAT WAS PAYING SOME ATTENTION TO HER.

YET ANOTHER VICTIM

LULLED INTO A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.

OUR SECOND VICTIM WAS A WHITE FEMALE

THAT LITTLE SAYS THAT HE HAD KILLED

POSSIBLY IN 1991.

WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE A FILE

THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE VICTIM PERFECTLY...

DARK HAIR, SKINNY, WEARING JEANS.

LITTLE VIVIDLY REMEMBERS

LEAVING HER IN A FIELD AND COVERING HER WITH TIRES.

HER BODY HAD BEEN FOUND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.

SO IN THIS SITUATION, THE POLICE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE

THAT SHE, IN FACT, WAS MANUALLY STRANGLED.

HER NAME IS ROSE EVANS.

SHE CAME FROM BINGHAMTON, NEW YORK,

WITH THE IDEA THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE WORKING IN CLEVELAND.

UNFORTUNATELY, SHE DID BECOME ADDICTED TO COCAINE.

AND THERE'S NOTHING HER FAMILY CAN DO TO HELP.

ROSE WAS FIVE YEARS OLDER THAN ME.

SHE ALWAYS LIKED TO JOKE AROUND, MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH, YOU KNOW?

SHE'D GIVE HER SHIRT OFF HER BACK.

SHE JUST DID HER OWN THING.

SHE WAS GETTING HIGH EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, WALKING THE STREETS.

AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, "GOT TO BE CAREFUL

BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S OUT THERE

GONNA DO SOMETHING TO YOU."

SHE ALWAYS SAYS, "I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT."

IN 1991, THE FAMILY'S WORST FEARS COME TRUE.

I WAS HOME WITH MY MOTHER AND MY TWO CHILDREN.

THEY KNOCKED ON THE DOOR, AND THEY SAID, "IT'S ROSE."

RICK BELL WANTS JUSTICE

FOR ROSE EVANS AND MARY JO PEYTON...

...AND FOR A THIRD OHIO WOMAN.

BETWEEN 1977 AND 1979,

HE HAD PICKED UP A BLACK FEMALE

WHO WAS SKINNY AND 20 YEARS OF AGE.

AND HE SAID THAT SHE HAD A DRESS ON

AND HE HAD DISPOSED OF HER AFTER HE KILLED HER

ON A HIGHWAY

BETWEEN CLEVELAND AND THE CITY OF AKRON.

LITTLE HAD GIVEN ENOUGH INFORMATION

THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE FILE

IF THERE WAS, IN FACT, A BODY THAT HAD EVER BEEN RECOVERED.

SO WE'RE LOOKING.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO IDENTIFY THIS PERSON

AND IDENTIFY THIS CASE.

JUST ONE MORE JANE DOE AMONG SO MANY OF LITTLE'S VICTIMS.

IT'S FALL OF 2018

WHEN PASCAGOULA P.D. LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA

REJOINS THE LITTLE INVESTIGATION.

THE RANGERS TELLING ME THAT SAM IS CONFESSING

TO THE TWO CASES AND WANTS...

OBVIOUSLY, MELINDA LaPREE,

THERE'S NO DOUBTING THE INFORMATION THERE.

THE SECOND IS A JANE DOE KILLED IN 1977.

OUR FIRST ARREST

ON SAM LITTLE WAS 8/11 OF 1977.

SO 8/11/1977, HE'S HERE,

AND I'VE GOT REMAINS FOUND. 12/27 OF '77,

SKELETAL REMAINS FOUND.

SO I'M THINKING HE WAS HERE 8/11 OF '77,

HE KILLED THEN.

VERSIGA TRAVELS TO TEXAS TO QUESTION LITTLE.

BUT HOLLAND HAS CONCERNS BECAUSE THE SUSPECT

AND DETECTIVE HAVE ALREADY CROSSED PATHS

AT LITTLE'S 2014 TRIAL IN LOS ANGELES.

IF HE RECOGNIZES FROM CALIFORNIA TESTIFYING AGAINST HIM,

HE MAY SHUT DOWN.

AND SO THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THAT,

OBVIOUSLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

HOLLAND SUGGESTS ALL THE OTHER DETECTIVES

IN LINE THAT DAY QUESTION LITTLE FIRST.

HE WANTS ME TO BE THE VERY LAST PERSON TO INTERVIEW SAM.

SO I GET TO WATCH ALL THE INTERVIEWS,

AND THAT'S JUST RIGHT UP MY ALLEY.

LISTENING TO HIS EVERY WORD AND EVERY STORY

IS PROBABLY THE MOST VALUABLE INFORMATION

I'VE EVER OBTAINED AS A DETECTIVE,

AS AN INVESTIGATOR, EVER IN MY CAREER,

BECAUSE THAT'S A TRUE KILLER.

AND I CAN SEE HOW HE'S BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH THIS FOREVER.

IT'S A DISTURBING WINDOW INTO THE KILLER'S PAST.

YEAH?

IN THE FALL OF 2018,

CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO AND ANGELA WILLIAMSON

HAVE ASSEMBLED MANY OF THE INVESTIGATORS

EAGER TO FOLLOW UP ON SAMUEL LITTLE'S UNSOLVED CRIMES.

A LOT OF COORDINATION AND OUTREACH,

BRINGING IN OTHER AGENCIES

SO THAT THEY COULD TALK TO LITTLE

SO THAT THEY COULD ASK HIM THEIR QUESTIONS

AND GET ADDITIONAL DETAILS ABOUT THE CASES.

WHEN A SERIAL KILLER STARTS TALKING,

THE DETECTIVES START LINING UP.

THERE COULD BE 12 DETECTIVES THERE,

8 DETECTIVES THERE A DAY TO INTERVIEW HIM.

LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA AND DETECTIVE KEVIN ALLEN

ARE AMONG THOSE WAITING THEIR TURN.

RANGER HOLLAND TOLD US, DO NOT ACCUSE HIM OF CRIMES

THAT HE HAD NOT ALREADY MADE ADMISSIONS TO,

THAT IT WAS NOT A FISHING EXPEDITION

TO TRY TO CLEAR EVERY UNSOLVED HOMICIDE

THAT ALL OF OUR JURISDICTIONS HAD.

IT WAS GREAT DIRECTION.

JIM WOULD TELL THEM, "JUST GO IN, SPECIFY A LOCATION

SO HE KNOWS WHICH CASE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,

AND JUST LET HIM TELL HIS STORY.

DON'T INTERRUPT.

SAVE YOUR QUESTIONS TILL THE END.

JUST LET HIM GO."

HE HAS THESE SELF-CONTAINED STORIES,

AND HE HAS A WAY OF TELLING THEM,

AND IF YOU INTERRUPT HIM, IT JARS HIM.

ALSO, LITTLE HAS CONDITIONS.

HE WOULD NOT TALK TO ME UNTIL WE SHOWED HIM A FORM

WHERE OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY WAS GONNA

BYPASS THE DEATH PENALTY.

RANGER HOLLAND SUGGESTED WE HAVE THAT WAIVER WITH US,

THAT WE SHOW IT TO MR. LITTLE IMMEDIATELY

AND THEN GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.

AND THERE ARE OTHER WARNINGS.

WE WERE TOLD THAT SOMETIMES AS HE IS RETELLING THE STORIES

HE IS GETTING AROUSED AGAIN, EVEN AT 78 YEARS OLD.

ONCE HE BEGAN TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE MURDERS,

IT WAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM

TO PROLONG HIS SEXUAL SATISFACTION.

I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT IT BECAME

AN INCREDIBLY ENJOYABLE PROCESS FOR HIM.

VERSIGA JUST HOPES LITTLE WON'T RECOGNIZE HIM

FROM THE L.A. TRIAL.

HE CAME IN IN A WHEELCHAIR,

BUT THEN HE GOT UP AND HOBBLED OVER TO HIS CHAIR.

HE'S A WEAK MAN NOW.

HE'S NOT THE POWERHOUSE HE WAS

WHEN HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE, FOR SURE.

IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, HE RECOGNIZES ME.

HE SAID, "MAN, I KNOW YOU."

THE RANGER JUST CAME UP AND SAID, "NAH, THAT'S SOME OTHER

FAT-ASS THAT CAME IN HERE," 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M HEAVY.

AND SAM LAUGHED, I LAUGHED, THE RANGER LAUGHED,

AND THAT GOT US IN.

VERSIGA STEERS THE CONVERSATION

TO THE 1982 MURDER OF MELINDA LaPREE.

THE REASON WHY THAT HE WASN'T CHARGED

IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROSTITUTE

THAT ACTUALLY SAW MELINDA COME BACK

AND SAW SAM DROP MELINDA OFF.

36 YEARS LATER,

LITTLE REVEALS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.

HE TOLD HER, "LET THEM SEE THAT YOU WERE HERE,

COME OUT THROUGH THE BACK, AND THEN I'LL COME PICK YOU UP."

SHE GOES OUT THE BACK DOOR, GETS INTO THE VEHICLE,

AND THEY DRIVE WEST TOWARDS THE CEMETERY.

HE SAID THEY GOT IN THE CAR,

AND THEN THEY GO BACK OVER TO THE CEMETERY,

AND THEN KILLS HER,

AND THEN HE THROWS HER ON THOSE FLOWERS.

AND THAT ABSOLUTELY DID IT FOR ME

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE SHE WAS FOUND.

FOR THE FAMILY, THE TRUTH BRINGS RELIEF.

THE TERRIBLE THING IS, IS NOT KNOWING.

SO WHEN YOU DO FIND OUT,

EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY UNSETTLING AND HAUNTING,

IT'S BETTER THAN THE HAUNTING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON

FOR 35-PLUS YEARS

OF WHAT HER LAST MOMENTS WERE LIKE.

JUST DAYS BEFORE MELINDA LaPREE'S MURDER IN 1982,

PATRICIA MOUNT WAS KILLED NEARBY.

LITTLE WAS TRIED IN THAT CASE BUT ACQUITTED.

NOW THAT HE'S COME CLEAN,

DETECTIVE ALLEN HAS QUESTIONS.

I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT SAM LITTLE HAD TO SAY.

IF HE HAD CONFESSED TO A MURDER THAT OCCURRED IN ALACHUA COUNTY,

I WANTED TO CONFRONT HIM WITH THAT,

WHETHER THE CASE HAD GONE TO TRIAL OR NOT.

RANGER HOLLAND ALWAYS MAKES INTRODUCTIONS.

LITTLE REMEMBERS PATRICIA WELL.

WHEN HE SAW HER THROAT, WHEN HE SAW HER NECK,

HE KNEW WHAT HE WANTED, AND HE KNEW IF HE COULD,

HE WAS GONNA TAKE IT THAT NIGHT.

LITTLE DROVE PATRICIA AROUND FOR A WHILE

BEFORE PARKING IN A HAYFIELD.

36 YEARS LATER,

ALLEN FINALLY HAS THE CONFESSION HE NEEDS.

HE WAS COOPERATIVE.

I FOUND HIM EASY TO TALK TO.

SAMUEL LITTLE IS AN ENGAGING PERSON.

HE CAN BE VERY CHARISMATIC.

HE'S FUNNY. HE'S WITTY.

HE'S A GREAT STORYTELLER.

YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GO INTO AN INTERVIEW,

YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATING YOU'RE SITTING ACROSS FROM A MONSTER.

AND HE DID MONSTROUS THINGS, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

BUT THE HUMAN BEING THAT I INTERVIEWED

WAS VERY FORTHRIGHT AND OPEN.

YOU BEGIN TO SEE HOW HE COULD CHARM THESE WOMEN

INTO GOING WITH HIM.

ALL THESE WOMEN, THEY WENT WITH HIM WILLINGLY

'CAUSE HE WAS CHARMING AND ATTRACTIVE IN HIS DAY.

AND HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THESE WOMEN

THAT THOUGHT HE WAS SOMEONE FUN TO HANG OUT WITH.

MONTHS AFTER FIRST HEARING FROM THE FBI TEAM,

OHIO PROSECUTOR RICK BELL AND A COLD-CASE INVESTIGATOR

ARRIVE FOR THEIR TURN WITH LITTLE.

BEFORE THEIR INTERVIEW WITH THE KILLER,

THEY GET DIRECTIONS FROM HOLLAND.

HE TOLD US TO STAY AWAY FROM SUGGESTING TO LITTLE

THAT HE HAD RAPED THESE WOMEN.

HE WANTED US TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IMPLODING OUR INTERVIEW.

BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU JUST CAN'T PREPARE FOR.

AFTER LISTENING TO DOZENS

OF SAMUEL LITTLE'S CONFESSIONS,

CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO AND ANGELA WILLIAMSON RETURN TO THE FBI,

BUT THE INVESTIGATION FORGES AHEAD.

I WOULD GO HOME AT NIGHT, ON THE WEEKENDS,

LOOKING AT NEWSPAPER ARTICLES,

TRYING TO FIND THINGS THAT MATCHED UP,

SO ALWAYS SEARCHING.

OHIO PROSECUTOR RICK BELL TAKES HIS TURN

IN THE INTERVIEW ROOM

AND QUESTIONS LITTLE ABOUT THREE COLD CASES

FROM THE CLEVELAND AREA.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING

WHEN YOU'RE INTERROGATING SOMEBODY LIKE LITTLE

IS JUST TO BE NON-JUDGMENTAL.

WELL, I WASN'T IN MY SUIT AND TIE.

WE DIDN'T WANT HIM SEEING ME AS A LAWYER.

I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE BROWNS, THE NEW QUARTERBACK.

WE TALKED ABOUT LORAIN AND GROWING UP IN CLEVELAND,

YOU DEFINITELY NOTICED HIS HANDS.

HE HAS VERY LARGE HANDS.

BELL AND HIS INVESTIGATORS START

WITH THE 1984 KILLING OF MARY JO PEYTON.

WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT HE WAS DESCRIBING

THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING LOOKED,

WHERE HIS CAR WOULD HAVE BEEN PARKED,

WHAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING

HE WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY HAVE DUMPED HER ON.

WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS WHETHER OR NOT

HE COULD DESCRIBE THE WAY THAT HER BODY WAS LAYING

AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRWELL.

LITTLE CONFIRMS MARY JO'S RESTING PLACE,

SOMETHING ONLY THE KILLER WOULD KNOW.

NEXT, THEY TURN TO THE ROSE EVANS CASE.

LITTLE REMEMBERS THESE YEARS

BY THE CARS THAT HE'S DRIVING.

HE'S INFATUATED WITH CARS.

THEY WERE IN THIS VAN, AND HE WAS IN THE BACK

TRYING TO GET HER TO COME FROM THE FRONT PASSENGER SEAT

TO THE BACK WITH HIM.

AND SHE WAS SAYING THAT SHE WAS NOT GOING TO

GET IN THE BACK WITH HIM

BECAUSE SHE KNEW THAT HE WOULD KILL HER.

AND TO US, HE LAUGHED...

...AS, "LITTLE DID SHE KNOW

THAT I WAS GOING TO DO JUST THAT."

AND HE DID EVENTUALLY GET HER TO COME IN THE BACK,

AND HE STRANGLED HER TO DEATH.

THE LAST VICTIM BELL ASKS ABOUT

IS A JANE DOE.

LITTLE CONFIRMS HE KILLED A THIRD WOMAN IN THE AREA,

BUT CAN'T HELP IDENTIFY HER.

BELL AND HIS INVESTIGATOR KEEP LITTLE TALKING

IN HOPES OF UNEARTHING NEW CLUES IN THE CASE.

SUDDENLY, THE DISTURBING INTERVIEW

TAKES AN EVEN DARKER TURN.

HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT PUTTING HIS HANDS

ON THE THROATS OF WOMEN.

AND AS HE WAS DESCRIBING THAT,

HE ALSO HAD STARTED MOVING HIS HANDS

UNDERNEATH THE TABLE,

PLEASING HIMSELF.

I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THIS, BUT I KNOW MY INVESTIGATOR DID.

HE CONTINUES TO BE SEXUALLY STIMULATED BY VIOLENCE

AND BY RELIVING THESE THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ASSUME THAT WHEN HE FANTASIZES

ABOUT SEX, WHEN HE FANTASIZES ABOUT WOMEN,

HE IS STILL FANTASIZING ABOUT HIS VICTIMS.

LUCKILY, BELL HAS EVERYTHING HE NEEDS.

WE HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE AT THAT TIME TO CHARGE HIM

AND TO FEEL COMFORTABLE

THAT THE PROSECUTION WAS GOING TO BE STRONG.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'D NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS,

SOMEBODY THIS CALLOUS,

ALSO COOPERATIVE,

TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD DONE.

YOU CAME TO THE REALIZATION OF JUST HOW UGLY THIS ALL IS.

AND IT'S VERY HARD, VERY DIFFICULT,

TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF MEANING WITH ALL OF THIS.

NONETHELESS, ON A VIDEO FEED

LINKED TO A COURT IN OHIO,

LITTLE DOES FACE JUSTICE FOR MURDERING

MARY JO PEYTON AND ROSE EVANS.

THE DEFENDANT WILL BE AGREEING TO PLEAD GUILTY

TO COUNTS ONE AND SIX WITH THE UNDERSTANDING

THAT THEY ARE TO BE SERVED CONSECUTIVELY TO EACH OTHER.

SIR, HOW DO YOU PLEAD TO COUNT ONE,

THE AGGRAVATED MURDER CHARGE CAUSING THE DEATH WITH PURPOSE

AND PRIOR CALCULATION AND DESIGN OF MARY JO PEYTON, SIR?

HOW DO YOU PLEAD? GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY?

GUILTY.

THE EFFECT OF YOUR ACTIONS,

THE HEINOUS CRIMES THAT YOU COMMITTED AGAINST THESE WOMEN

ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, HAVE LEFT MANY PEOPLE

WITH WHAT I WOULD SAY, A HOLE IN THEIR LIVES

BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CLOSURE.

PALAZZOLO AND WILLIAMSON WON'T REST

UNTIL ALL THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES HAVE ANSWERS.

THERE ALWAYS IS SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW,

SOMEONE WHO'S YEARNING FOR THAT LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION,

JUST SO THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION.

IN DECEMBER 2018,

LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA IS BACK IN TEXAS

FOR ANOTHER GO AT SAMUEL LITTLE.

LITTLE CONFESSED TO KILLING A WOMAN

NEAR PASCAGOULA, MISSISSIPPI, IN THE 1970s.

VERSIGA BELIEVES HER SKELETAL REMAINS WERE FOUND IN 1977.

ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT THINGS ABOUT HER

WAS THAT SHE HAD A GOLD TOOTH

WITH A TRIANGLE ON THE GOLD TOOTH

AND THAT HER HAIR WAS PLAITED AND IT WAS SUGGESTIVE OF A WIG,

IS WHAT THE ANTHROPOLOGIST SAID.

THE REMAINS THEN ARE SENT UP TO A RECONSTRUCTIONIST

BACK IN 1977, '78,

AND THEY DO A CLAY RECONSTRUCTION.

AND THIS PARTICULAR FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST

DID VERY GOOD WORK.

SHE WAS BASICALLY A SCULPTOR.

THE JANE DOE'S FACE WAS PUBLICIZED IN 1978,

BUT NO ONE EVER IDENTIFIED HER.

THAT TENDED TO MAKE ME BELIEVE

THAT SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE.

THE FAMILY HAS EITHER DISOWNED HER,

OR SHE IS OF AGE NOW THAT ALL HER RELATIVES ARE DEAD

AND NOBODY KNOWS SHE'S MISSING OR WAS EVER MISSING.

ALL THESE YEARS LATER,

LITTLE REMEMBERS HER WELL.

HE SAID HE PICKED HER UP IN GULFPORT, MISSISSIPPI,

BROUGHT HER TO PASCAGOULA,

WHERE THEY WENT EAT AT A RESTAURANT.

AND THEN FROM THERE, HE SAID HE DROVE HER ABOUT A MILE

AND THEN STRANGLES HER

AND THEN THROWS HER OUT INTO WHAT HE CALLED A WASH-OUT

NEXT TO A TELEPHONE POLE.

VERSIGA ZEROES IN ON ONE KEY DETAIL

THAT ONLY THE KILLER COULD KNOW.

HE SAID THAT WHEN HE'S STRANGLING HER

IN THE BACK SEAT OF THE CAR, HER WIG FALLS OFF.

AND WHEN IT FALLS OFF,

HE SAYS THAT THE HAIR WAS PLAITED,

WHICH THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER HEARD THAT

WAS FROM SAM LITTLE'S MOUTH

AND FROM THE ANTHROPOLOGIST ON THE 1977 CASE.

HE PULLS OUT PHOTOS OF THE FACIAL RECONSTRUCTION.

WE BROUGHT ALL THESE PICTURES,

ALL THESE DIFFERENT ANGLES AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT WIGS

AND OPEN MOUTH, CLOSED MOUTH.

SO I'M ROLLING THROUGH THESE PICTURES,

AND HE SAID, "NOPE, NOPE, NOPE."

HE SAID, "WAIT. THAT ONE. THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE HER."

AND THEN WHAT HE DOES IS THE PHOTO...

HE DRAWS ON IT AND CORRECTS IT

AND THEN TRIES TO CONVINCE HIMSELF THAT IT'S HIS CASE.

THAT MADE ME THINK,

"NO, HE'S JUST TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS."

THEN VERSIGA SHOWS LITTLE A SKETCH OF THE AREA.

I HAD THE DIAGRAM OFF A LITTLE BIT,

AND HE CORRECTED IT.

AND THEN I THOUGHT HE WAS FULL OF AGAIN

UNTIL I LOOKED AT IT, AND I WENT,

"WELL, HELL, HE'S RIGHT. I WAS WRONG."

AND I SAID, "HE'S GOT TO BE THE REAL DEAL.

MAN, THIS GUY IS JUST SOMETHING I'VE NEVER RUN ACROSS."

THE CASES MATCH,

THOUGH THE VICTIM STILL HAS NO NAME.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET HER IDENTIFIED.

I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

IDENTIFYING ALL OF LITTLE'S VICTIMS

IS ANGELA WILLIAMSON AND CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO'S

TOP PRIORITY.

THEY'VE ALREADY HELPED CLOSE MORE THAN 60 CASES,

AND ADDITIONAL CASES ARE AWAITING DECISIONS

ON NEXT STEPS FROM LOCAL AND STATE PROSECUTORS.

AND THEN THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER DOZEN

REMAINING VICTIMS THAT WE JUST CAN'T FIND

THE CASE THAT MATCHES BACK TO HIS CONFESSION.

THE FRUSTRATING THING IS NOW THAT WE KNOW

HOW TRUTHFUL HE IS, HOW ACCURATE HE IS,

AND HOW HARD IT'S BEEN TO FIND SOME OF HIS OTHER CASES,

WE KNOW THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR WHY WE'RE NOT FINDING IT.

JIM HAS INTERVIEWED HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES

ABOUT EACH ONE,

AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT REMAIN UNMATCHED.

HE'S GONE BACK AT HIM OVER AND OVER AGAIN

TRYING TO GET MORE DETAILS.

ONE IN PARTICULAR STILL HAUNTS THE TEAM.

LITTLE CONFESSED TO KILLING A BLACK FEMALE IN LAS VEGAS.

HE THOUGHT THE YEAR WAS 1993, AND ON THIS ONE,

WE THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY IS A PRETTY ACCURATE TIME FRAME.

THE PART THAT REALLY RESONATES WITH ME

IS HE TALKED ABOUT MEETING HER AND TALKING TO HER,

AND WHEN HE FIRST MET HER,

SHE POINTED TO ANOTHER MAN STANDING ON THE STREET AND SAID,

"THAT'S MY SON."

WHETHER HE KNOWS IT OR NOT,

HER SON ACTUALLY MET THE PERSON WHO KILLED HIS MOTHER.

LITTLE'S FOCUS WASN'T THE SON.

IT WAS HOW HE WAS GONNA GET THAT WOMAN AWAY FROM THE SON,

HOW HE WAS GONNA CONVINCE HER TO GO WITH HIM.

SINCE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MATCH THAT CASE,

IT'S STILL AN UNSOLVED HOMICIDE.

I WRESTLE WITH THAT EVERY DAY.

THE FBI TURNS TO THE PUBLIC

FOR HELP IDENTIFYING THESE WOMEN.

AND INVESTIGATORS PLEAD FOR YOUR HELP

AS THEY TRY TO IDENTIFY A WOMAN MURDERED

BY THE MOST PROLIFIC SERIAL KILLER IN THE COUNTRY.

INVESTIGATORS NEED YOUR HELP TO CONNECT A CRIME SCENE

STRETCHING FROM FLORIDA ALL THE WAY TO CALIFORNIA.

THE FBI IS ASKING ANYONE WHO BELIEVES

THAT THEY MAY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT A RELATED CRIME

TO CALL THEIR TIP LINE.

WE NEED THOSE TIPS,

ESPECIALLY IF THAT CASE WAS NEVER RULED A HOMICIDE,

NEVER INVESTIGATED AS A HOMICIDE.

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY

THAT WE'RE EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND IT.

WE NEED THE PUBLIC'S HELP.

THEY'VE EVEN SHARED GLIMPSES OF LITTLE HIMSELF.

FAMILY MEMBERS STILL HAVE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

WE HAD THE RESOLUTION OF BEING ABLE TO BURY HER,

AND THERE'S MANY THAT NEVER EVEN FOUND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A DISAPPEARANCE.

PAUL STEVENS, WHOSE SISTER NANCY

WAS LITTLE'S FINAL VICTIM,

REMEMBERS GETTING THE CALL FROM JIM HOLLAND IN 2018.

HE SAID, "WE HAVE FOUND THE MAN THAT MURDERED YOUR SISTER."

I SAID, "ARE YOU SURE?"

HE SAID, "YES, BECAUSE ONLY THE TWO INVESTIGATORS

AND HIM KNEW THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE,

SO WE WERE 100% SURE."

MY MAMA JUST ALWAYS SAID SHE JUST HOPED THAT

BEFORE SHE LEAVE THIS WORLD,

THAT SHE WOULD FIND OUT WHO DONE THIS TO OUR DAUGHTER.

AND ON THAT DAY WHEN THAT TEXAS RANGER CALLED ME,

YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A...

THAT WAS A GLORIOUS DAY FOR US, YOU KNOW?

UNLESS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS KIND OF A LOSS

AND A BRUTAL, VIOLENT END TO THE LIFE

OF SOMEBODY YOU LOVE,

I DON'T REALLY HAVE WORDS FOR IT.

THE FACT THAT HE'S FINALLY OFF THE STREETS

AND NOT KILLING PEOPLE IS JUSTICE.

THE FACT THAT IT TOOK SO DAMN LONG IS NOT JUSTICE.

IF I HAD ANYTHING TO SAY TO SAMUEL LITTLE,

I'D PROBABLY SAY, "ENJOY HELL."

IN THE FALL OF 2018,

AFTER 49 DAYS OF INTERVIEWS,

SAMUEL LITTLE IS SENT BACK TO PRISON IN CALIFORNIA.

HE'S BEEN ALLOWED TO KEEP HIS ART SUPPLIES

AND CONTINUES DRAWING HIS VICTIMS,

INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND.

THIS WEEK, RANGER HOLLAND IS WITH HIM,

AND I CAN'T WAIT TO GET MORE INFORMATION OUT OF HIM.

THAT REINVIGORATES OUR SEARCHES TO TRY AND FIND THESE,

AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

WITHOUT THE EXTRAORDINARY COLLABORATION

OF ANGELA WILLIAMSON, CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO,

AND JIM HOLLAND,

SAMUEL LITTLE MIGHT NEVER HAVE SHARED HIS PAST.

WHAT TRULY MAKES ME UPSET IS THAT LITTLE

COULD HAVE DIED IN PRISON.

WITHOUT HIM TELLING US THIS, WE'D HAVE NOTHING.

THESE FAMILIES WOULD HAVE NO ANSWERS.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SAMUEL LITTLE.

THIS IS ABOUT THOSE WOMEN THAT HE KILLED

AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING

TO BRING WHAT JUSTICE, WHAT CLOSURE WE CAN

TO THEIR CASES

AND ANSWERS TO THEIR FAMILIES.

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