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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:52,555 --> 00:00:54,075 - Fear is a funny thing. 2 00:00:55,006 --> 00:00:58,112 Where it begins and where it ends is never a certainty. 3 00:01:02,048 --> 00:01:04,775 Fear can form seemingly out of nowhere 4 00:01:04,808 --> 00:01:07,052 and then disappear just as quickly 5 00:01:07,087 --> 00:01:08,917 and we might never really know why. 6 00:01:19,203 --> 00:01:22,965 Some fears develop over days, weeks, or years, 7 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,209 sown from the time we're young, 8 00:01:25,243 --> 00:01:27,314 eventually bursting forth from the seeds 9 00:01:27,349 --> 00:01:30,007 that were planted when we were children. 10 00:01:36,081 --> 00:01:38,152 But where did the seeds come from? 11 00:01:38,188 --> 00:01:39,360 Who first planted them? 12 00:01:48,198 --> 00:01:50,579 Were they simply groomed over centuries, 13 00:01:50,614 --> 00:01:52,856 or are they unique to each generation? 14 00:01:56,930 --> 00:01:59,311 A story is a powerful thing, 15 00:01:59,347 --> 00:02:01,763 it can move us in unexpected ways. 16 00:02:02,659 --> 00:02:05,421 It can inspire hope or create a sense of longing. 17 00:02:10,736 --> 00:02:13,843 A story can manifest sadness or depression, 18 00:02:13,877 --> 00:02:15,914 laughter or tears. 19 00:02:15,949 --> 00:02:19,056 And yes, a story can instill fear. 20 00:02:29,894 --> 00:02:32,586 The question we might begin to ask ourselves 21 00:02:32,621 --> 00:02:35,140 is not who put the fear there orwhy, 22 00:02:39,007 --> 00:02:40,146 but what if the stories 23 00:02:40,180 --> 00:02:43,114 that instilled it to begin withare true, 24 00:02:46,670 --> 00:02:49,500 not simply fables, but somethingmore, 25 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:58,646 something primal and ageless. 26 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:03,133 A something whose very survivaldepends 27 00:03:03,169 --> 00:03:05,585 on our telling of tales. 28 00:06:52,086 --> 00:06:53,409 - Well, when the Silver Bridge collapsed 29 00:06:53,433 --> 00:06:57,471 in December of 1967, everybody'sattention immediately went 30 00:06:57,507 --> 00:07:01,613 to the recovery effort, the rescue effort. 31 00:07:01,649 --> 00:07:04,478 People weren't really interested in lookin' for UFOs 32 00:07:04,514 --> 00:07:06,930 or Mothman, even though they did. 33 00:07:13,454 --> 00:07:16,629 But it was such a horrible tragedy 34 00:07:16,663 --> 00:07:20,391 that the local population was grieving 35 00:07:20,425 --> 00:07:22,151 and mourning the loss of, you know, 36 00:07:22,185 --> 00:07:24,360 family members and friends and things like that. 37 00:07:24,394 --> 00:07:28,745 So the attention went from the weird stuff in the sky 38 00:07:28,778 --> 00:07:32,403 or the Mothman sightings to recovering bodies and cars 39 00:07:32,437 --> 00:07:33,612 from the Ohio River. 40 00:07:34,577 --> 00:07:38,029 - You know Main Street used to be very hustle and bustle. 41 00:07:38,064 --> 00:07:41,447 And after the bridge fell in the'60s, 42 00:07:41,481 --> 00:07:44,242 that kind of broke off that connection 43 00:07:44,276 --> 00:07:47,798 and so a lot of businesses started to close 44 00:07:47,832 --> 00:07:50,800 and it became kind of a ghost town 45 00:07:53,803 --> 00:07:56,634 until basically the museum and the festival took off. 46 00:07:56,668 --> 00:07:59,292 And then, you know, during the Mothman Festival 47 00:08:00,223 --> 00:08:03,124 you can't hardly move there's so many people. 48 00:08:03,158 --> 00:08:05,988 You'd bring in like eight to 10,000 people to a town 49 00:08:06,023 --> 00:08:08,024 with a population of less than 5,000. 50 00:08:10,338 --> 00:08:14,237 - Between the years of 1966 and1967, 51 00:08:14,273 --> 00:08:17,862 sightings of a red-eyed monster, dubbed the Mothman, 52 00:08:17,896 --> 00:08:20,555 helped put the town of Point Pleasant, West Virginia 53 00:08:20,589 --> 00:08:21,970 on the map. 54 00:08:22,004 --> 00:08:24,454 However, it was the collapse ofa bridge 55 00:08:24,490 --> 00:08:28,389 spanning the Ohio River in December of 1967 56 00:08:28,425 --> 00:08:31,738 that brought the town to a tragic sort of prominence. 57 00:08:31,773 --> 00:08:33,085 Since that time, 58 00:08:33,119 --> 00:08:35,950 this sleepy hamlet on the banks of the mighty Ohio 59 00:08:35,984 --> 00:08:39,573 and the Kanawha Rivers has adopted a strange fame 60 00:08:39,609 --> 00:08:43,059 bolstered by their mostrenowned resident, the Mothman. 61 00:08:44,441 --> 00:08:46,374 Now over 50 years 62 00:08:46,408 --> 00:08:49,619 since the Silver Bridge tumbled into the icy waters 63 00:08:49,653 --> 00:08:52,068 and took with it 47 lives, 64 00:08:52,104 --> 00:08:54,933 Point Pleasant has begun to rebuild. 65 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:58,835 - Life here in Point Pleasant is laid back. 66 00:08:58,869 --> 00:09:03,149 I mean, you know, it's not yourhustle bustle of a big city 67 00:09:03,183 --> 00:09:06,669 and I think that's why a lot of people choose to stay here. 68 00:09:06,705 --> 00:09:08,602 - My dad is is Jeff Wamsley, 69 00:09:08,638 --> 00:09:11,364 the owner of the Mothman Museum. 70 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:13,918 So basically from my young adulthood up, 71 00:09:13,952 --> 00:09:18,682 Mothman pretty much surrounds a lot of my life. 72 00:09:18,716 --> 00:09:21,374 - You know, it's just a little Main Street town 73 00:09:21,408 --> 00:09:25,481 that just happens to have a monster in it's history 74 00:09:25,515 --> 00:09:28,899 and it's a nice calling card. 75 00:09:28,933 --> 00:09:31,798 - Mothman became something they fell in love with 76 00:09:31,832 --> 00:09:34,456 and then it was the town they really fell in love with. 77 00:09:34,490 --> 00:09:37,597 And I ultimately believeMothman is what gets them here, 78 00:09:37,631 --> 00:09:40,669 but it's Point Pleasant that brings them back every time. 79 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:53,234 - West Virginia is a jewel in the rough, I always thought, 80 00:09:53,268 --> 00:09:56,236 because you know the landscape and the beauty. 81 00:09:57,375 --> 00:09:59,620 You've got all kinds of different areas 82 00:09:59,653 --> 00:10:04,625 like the mountains, the streams, the river towns, 83 00:10:04,831 --> 00:10:08,663 the ski lodges, all kinds of different things 84 00:10:08,697 --> 00:10:10,123 and I think they've done a pretty good job 85 00:10:10,147 --> 00:10:12,597 as far as capitalizing on the tourism aspect. 86 00:10:12,633 --> 00:10:17,602 - West Virginia is rolling hills and beautiful creeks 87 00:10:18,604 --> 00:10:23,573 and green pastures and football Friday night. 88 00:10:24,713 --> 00:10:27,855 Isolated, at times boring. 89 00:10:27,889 --> 00:10:29,131 It's very beautiful. 90 00:10:30,270 --> 00:10:31,721 Not much happens, 91 00:10:31,754 --> 00:10:35,447 which allows being tuned into certain things 92 00:10:35,482 --> 00:10:37,519 and also noticing things maybe 93 00:10:37,553 --> 00:10:40,245 that people in other areas may not notice. 94 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,422 It's a quiet, placid kind of upbringing. 95 00:10:43,456 --> 00:10:46,735 Very beautiful, beautifulmountains and trees and streams. 96 00:10:46,769 --> 00:10:49,186 So that part is of course, excellent. 97 00:10:53,743 --> 00:10:55,088 - Point Pleasant sits on the edge 98 00:10:55,123 --> 00:10:57,366 of what is known as Appalachia. 99 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,230 The Appalachian Mountains are arange 100 00:10:59,264 --> 00:11:02,889 that stretches from Canada, all the way down to Alabama. 101 00:11:02,923 --> 00:11:06,721 Rugged and rural, with a landscape defined by jutting rocks 102 00:11:06,755 --> 00:11:08,308 and dense forestry. 103 00:11:08,342 --> 00:11:10,034 The mountains are an essential part 104 00:11:10,068 --> 00:11:11,864 of the Eastern United States. 105 00:11:13,278 --> 00:11:16,350 Appalachia derives its name from the local inhabitants, 106 00:11:16,385 --> 00:11:18,456 as well as the mountains. 107 00:11:18,490 --> 00:11:20,009 It's a cultural statement 108 00:11:20,044 --> 00:11:22,841 as much as it is a geographicalone. 109 00:11:22,875 --> 00:11:24,152 A culture informed 110 00:11:24,187 --> 00:11:26,567 by the people who journeyed through these lands 111 00:11:26,602 --> 00:11:28,432 and who settled these lands, 112 00:11:28,466 --> 00:11:31,193 not to mention the lands themselves, 113 00:11:31,227 --> 00:11:34,610 from Scotch-Irish immigrants to the First Nations tribes 114 00:11:34,644 --> 00:11:35,854 who occasionally traveled 115 00:11:35,888 --> 00:11:38,822 through what is now known as West Virginia. 116 00:11:38,856 --> 00:11:41,582 These places are still alive with a history 117 00:11:41,618 --> 00:11:44,725 that is passed down from generation to generation. 118 00:11:46,380 --> 00:11:48,866 - The Scots-Irish settled West Virginia. 119 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:52,456 So about 250,000 of them 120 00:11:52,490 --> 00:11:53,561 got on a boat 121 00:11:53,595 --> 00:11:55,389 and came over to the United States. 122 00:11:55,424 --> 00:11:57,047 Once they got here, 123 00:11:57,081 --> 00:11:59,153 the colonies were kind of already established 124 00:11:59,187 --> 00:12:01,293 and these were sort of outsiders, 125 00:12:01,326 --> 00:12:04,467 so they started to push them closer to the mountains, 126 00:12:04,503 --> 00:12:06,850 the Appalachian Mountains. 127 00:12:06,884 --> 00:12:09,818 Technically the English didn't want anybody 128 00:12:09,852 --> 00:12:11,441 moving past the mountains 129 00:12:11,475 --> 00:12:13,615 because there was an agreement with the French. 130 00:12:13,649 --> 00:12:15,514 But we started chipping away atthat 131 00:12:15,548 --> 00:12:18,793 and that ultimately led to the French and Indian War. 132 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,899 - Well, the Natives were kind of frightened 133 00:12:21,933 --> 00:12:23,315 of West Virginia. 134 00:12:23,349 --> 00:12:25,144 They thought West Virginia was cursed 135 00:12:25,178 --> 00:12:28,769 and they only used West Virginia mostly as hunting. 136 00:12:30,046 --> 00:12:32,495 So the Shawnee were here quite abit. 137 00:12:32,530 --> 00:12:35,153 The Saponi were kind of like in the mountains 138 00:12:35,188 --> 00:12:38,605 is where the Blackfoot Saponi Indians were all 139 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:41,195 in the southern part of the state, down into Virginia. 140 00:12:42,368 --> 00:12:45,543 - When we started pushing into the region 141 00:12:45,577 --> 00:12:46,889 across the Appalachians, 142 00:12:46,924 --> 00:12:51,342 the Natives chose to fight on the side of the French. 143 00:12:51,376 --> 00:12:53,793 When the English colonists werecoming in, it was a threat, 144 00:12:53,827 --> 00:12:55,209 so the Native sided with French. 145 00:12:55,243 --> 00:12:57,831 Well, ultimately that did not gowell 146 00:12:57,866 --> 00:12:59,834 and the French left the region, 147 00:13:01,422 --> 00:13:03,803 leaving the Natives kind of on their own. 148 00:13:03,837 --> 00:13:05,840 The different tribes tried to get together 149 00:13:05,875 --> 00:13:08,774 to form alliances to fightagainst the English if need be. 150 00:13:10,017 --> 00:13:15,125 - The Confederacy's made up of many, many tribes 151 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:17,644 and they were all in and out of West Virginia 152 00:13:17,678 --> 00:13:19,750 throughout the years. 153 00:13:19,784 --> 00:13:22,408 The Shawnee were big here, the Cherokee were here, 154 00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:24,616 Lenape, Ojibwe. 155 00:13:25,826 --> 00:13:27,861 There were many, 31 tribes. 156 00:13:27,897 --> 00:13:30,312 There were villages, there werefamilies. 157 00:13:30,346 --> 00:13:32,384 - Once the French left, 158 00:13:32,418 --> 00:13:34,799 they were really kind of left ontheir own 159 00:13:34,835 --> 00:13:36,422 and it ultimately was not something 160 00:13:36,456 --> 00:13:38,562 that they could withstand 161 00:13:38,596 --> 00:13:41,634 and so they slowly got pushed out of the area. 162 00:13:42,773 --> 00:13:45,706 - The traditions were extremelyimportant to pass down. 163 00:13:45,741 --> 00:13:47,709 Our elders' pasts 164 00:13:48,883 --> 00:13:49,952 were lost. 165 00:13:50,884 --> 00:13:54,577 It was extremely important to listen and to pay attention 166 00:13:54,613 --> 00:13:56,510 and to follow the traditions. 167 00:13:56,546 --> 00:13:58,616 - We do hold onto our stories. 168 00:13:58,650 --> 00:14:00,894 You know it might be genetic aswell 169 00:14:00,929 --> 00:14:03,966 because if you look into the Celts, 170 00:14:04,001 --> 00:14:05,899 West Virginia is mostly Celtic. 171 00:14:05,934 --> 00:14:09,490 We do have some Pennsylvania Dutch Germans here as well, 172 00:14:09,524 --> 00:14:11,802 but that's like a natural thing with the Celts 173 00:14:11,836 --> 00:14:14,322 and I think it's passed down that way. 174 00:14:14,356 --> 00:14:17,532 Plus, that little bit of Native American ancestry. 175 00:14:17,567 --> 00:14:21,294 - Well I mean there's, again a love of music and singing 176 00:14:21,328 --> 00:14:23,227 and passing stories through thatway. 177 00:14:23,261 --> 00:14:26,057 It's more of a human characteristic to want to tell stories 178 00:14:26,092 --> 00:14:28,750 and make sure that your legacy is passed on 179 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:30,614 in one way or another. 180 00:14:30,649 --> 00:14:33,686 - As Appalachia began to see more and more settlers, 181 00:14:33,721 --> 00:14:36,481 traditions and stories started to merge, 182 00:14:36,517 --> 00:14:39,174 just as the remaining Natives begin to exist 183 00:14:39,209 --> 00:14:42,246 alongside the Scotch-Irish settlers inhabiting a land 184 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,972 they once called their own. 185 00:14:44,006 --> 00:14:47,389 So too, did stories and cultures begin to meld 186 00:14:47,423 --> 00:14:51,566 and what was born of this blendwas something wholly unique, 187 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,051 Appalachian culture. 188 00:14:54,017 --> 00:14:56,467 Folktales and lore were absorbed and transmitted 189 00:14:56,501 --> 00:14:58,952 from one generation to the next. 190 00:14:58,988 --> 00:15:02,231 Now the region was defined as much by tales of ghosts, 191 00:15:02,267 --> 00:15:04,337 witches and red-eyed banshees 192 00:15:04,371 --> 00:15:06,684 as it was the rugged wildernessbackdrop 193 00:15:06,719 --> 00:15:08,341 where they were told. 194 00:15:08,375 --> 00:15:11,724 When 1966 saw the rise of the Mothman, 195 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,418 it was strangely familiar despite its unique appearance. 196 00:15:15,451 --> 00:15:19,456 After all, it was simply one more tale to be told 197 00:15:19,490 --> 00:15:22,735 as if a new face had been put on an old legend. 198 00:15:31,503 --> 00:15:33,677 - I grew up in Southeastern Ohio 199 00:15:33,711 --> 00:15:37,818 and during the original sightings of the Mothman, 200 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,856 I was about 10 years old. 201 00:15:47,828 --> 00:15:51,661 Whenever I first heard about Mothman 202 00:15:51,695 --> 00:15:54,767 was through my older male cousins. 203 00:15:54,802 --> 00:15:56,907 One night they came over to visit my dad 204 00:15:56,942 --> 00:15:59,772 and wanted to have a private conversation with him. 205 00:15:59,807 --> 00:16:02,879 And they seemed very concerned, 206 00:16:02,913 --> 00:16:07,365 so of course I needed to know what they were talking about. 207 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,818 My cousins were concerned about going night fishing 208 00:16:11,852 --> 00:16:14,442 and they were afraid that if they did, 209 00:16:14,476 --> 00:16:18,721 that they might see or be taken by Mothman. 210 00:16:18,756 --> 00:16:21,346 So I listened in on the conversation 211 00:16:21,379 --> 00:16:23,933 and that's how I first heard about Mothman. 212 00:16:29,077 --> 00:16:32,115 Later in the summer, 213 00:16:32,149 --> 00:16:34,566 I was asleep one night, 214 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,085 I heard something outside. 215 00:16:36,119 --> 00:16:39,121 I woke up. 216 00:16:39,157 --> 00:16:40,881 I went over to the window, 217 00:16:40,917 --> 00:16:45,438 looked out and I saw red eyes inthe yard. 218 00:16:45,472 --> 00:16:48,028 Whatever it was could have been, I don't know, 219 00:16:48,062 --> 00:16:51,307 maybe six feet or more in height. 220 00:16:51,341 --> 00:16:54,654 And so I ran to my parents' bedroom. 221 00:16:54,688 --> 00:16:58,865 My dad, I told him, I thought Mothman was outside 222 00:16:58,899 --> 00:17:01,971 and he tried to tell me he didn't think 223 00:17:02,006 --> 00:17:03,732 that that was probably Mothman. 224 00:17:04,836 --> 00:17:07,115 Now, you know, like sometimes they'll say 225 00:17:07,150 --> 00:17:11,326 that Mothman's there to either mourn you or whatever. 226 00:17:11,361 --> 00:17:15,502 Like just a few months after I saw those red eyes, 227 00:17:15,538 --> 00:17:18,126 my dad was in an airplane accident. 228 00:17:19,093 --> 00:17:21,854 He was one of 16 people that survived. 229 00:17:21,888 --> 00:17:24,339 It happened in Cincinnati. 230 00:17:24,374 --> 00:17:26,066 It was like TWA 128. 231 00:17:27,445 --> 00:17:31,346 It was a flight coming from San Diego, California 232 00:17:31,381 --> 00:17:35,247 going to Boston, but it stopped in Cincinnati 233 00:17:35,281 --> 00:17:39,009 and there wasn't enough runway for the jet. 234 00:17:39,044 --> 00:17:44,117 And so it went on and went intoa orchard and caught on fire 235 00:17:44,153 --> 00:17:46,603 and just like threw people out of the plane 236 00:17:46,637 --> 00:17:47,638 all over the place. 237 00:17:47,673 --> 00:17:50,573 My dad, the seat that he was in, 238 00:17:50,606 --> 00:17:53,265 the seat right beside him was onfire 239 00:17:53,299 --> 00:17:56,923 and there was a husband and wife behind him. 240 00:17:56,958 --> 00:17:59,478 The wife was killed and my dad turned around 241 00:17:59,512 --> 00:18:00,961 and grabbed this guy by the hand 242 00:18:00,997 --> 00:18:03,309 and said, "If you want to live, come with me." 243 00:18:08,970 --> 00:18:11,972 - Flight TWA 128 crashed on approach 244 00:18:12,008 --> 00:18:16,564 to the Cincinnati airport on November 20th, 1967, 245 00:18:16,598 --> 00:18:18,531 just shy of one month prior 246 00:18:18,566 --> 00:18:20,326 to the collapse of the Silver Bridge 247 00:18:20,361 --> 00:18:23,156 in nearby Point Pleasant, West Virginia. 248 00:18:23,192 --> 00:18:25,332 If there was one overwhelming takeaway 249 00:18:25,365 --> 00:18:26,988 from the activity running rampant 250 00:18:27,022 --> 00:18:31,164 around Point Pleasant during 1966 and 1967, 251 00:18:32,096 --> 00:18:35,375 it was the feeling that everything was accelerating, 252 00:18:35,411 --> 00:18:37,930 heading towards some inevitableconclusion 253 00:18:37,964 --> 00:18:40,311 that couldn't be avoided. 254 00:18:40,346 --> 00:18:44,903 When the Silver Bridge collapsedon December 15th, 1967, 255 00:18:44,936 --> 00:18:48,458 it seemed that the unavoidable collision had been reached 256 00:18:48,492 --> 00:18:52,289 and with it, the story of the Mothman had ended. 257 00:18:52,324 --> 00:18:54,532 The book had closed. 258 00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:55,707 For the next few months, 259 00:18:55,740 --> 00:18:58,916 stories of encounters with the creature were absent. 260 00:18:58,951 --> 00:19:00,988 It seemed that the bridge collapse had led 261 00:19:01,021 --> 00:19:03,093 to the departure of the being. 262 00:19:03,127 --> 00:19:06,890 However, nothing could have been further from the truth. 263 00:19:06,924 --> 00:19:08,961 The book had never closed 264 00:19:08,996 --> 00:19:13,207 and in some ways the Mothman story was just beginning. 265 00:19:13,241 --> 00:19:16,486 - I've read and collected several newspaper articles 266 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,108 from the late '60s, early '70s. 267 00:19:19,144 --> 00:19:21,318 I've talked to people that were still seeing 268 00:19:21,353 --> 00:19:24,148 whatever this thing was in the TNT Area 269 00:19:24,183 --> 00:19:27,256 and it was well after 1966, '67. 270 00:19:27,289 --> 00:19:28,849 A lot of the people that I've talked to, 271 00:19:28,877 --> 00:19:32,156 I will specifically ask them what the timeframe was 272 00:19:32,192 --> 00:19:37,197 and you know, '71, '73, '75. 273 00:19:37,576 --> 00:19:39,375 - The Mothman frenzy went from 1966 into 1967, 274 00:19:41,648 --> 00:19:43,410 but the activity continued. 275 00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,688 We lived close to the Scarberrys. 276 00:19:45,721 --> 00:19:49,932 I grew up on a hillside in WestUnion called Shannon's Knob 277 00:19:49,968 --> 00:19:51,244 and late at night, 278 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:55,663 it would sound like someonehad jumped out of a helicopter. 279 00:19:56,663 --> 00:19:59,183 The roof would go, boom, just like that. 280 00:20:01,428 --> 00:20:04,948 There would be a pause and then these footsteps, 281 00:20:04,982 --> 00:20:07,674 somebody was walking on our roof. 282 00:20:19,686 --> 00:20:22,310 And they might be up there at 10, 15 minutes 283 00:20:22,345 --> 00:20:25,865 and the footsteps would stopas if something had flown away. 284 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:28,351 And of course my parents did not believe me, 285 00:20:28,385 --> 00:20:30,422 you know, when I kept telling them 286 00:20:30,457 --> 00:20:31,803 about these footsteps. 287 00:20:31,836 --> 00:20:33,942 Until I woke up early one morning 288 00:20:33,977 --> 00:20:36,497 and I heard them talking to eachother, 289 00:20:36,531 --> 00:20:39,604 saying, "Wonder what those footsteps are on the roof?" 290 00:20:39,637 --> 00:20:43,055 And I was pretty small, Iwasn't even quite in school yet 291 00:20:43,089 --> 00:20:46,195 and I was thinking, "I want to go outside. 292 00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:49,890 I want to go outside and, you know, and hide the bushes 293 00:20:49,923 --> 00:20:52,512 and see if I can see the Mothman." 294 00:20:52,548 --> 00:20:54,826 But I never developed the courage to do that. 295 00:21:01,349 --> 00:21:02,903 - I talked to one lady, 296 00:21:02,936 --> 00:21:05,663 and she specifically mentioned early '70s, 297 00:21:05,699 --> 00:21:09,288 who had a morning paper route in the Gallipolis area. 298 00:21:09,323 --> 00:21:11,876 She'd deliver papers about five in the morning 299 00:21:11,912 --> 00:21:16,329 and she told me that as she was coming down the street, 300 00:21:16,365 --> 00:21:18,643 on the other side of the street was like a guard rail, 301 00:21:18,676 --> 00:21:20,748 right beside the Ohio River. 302 00:21:20,782 --> 00:21:23,372 There's a little island that's right off of that guard rail 303 00:21:23,405 --> 00:21:25,442 that goes out into the Ohio River 304 00:21:25,477 --> 00:21:26,961 and she said she looked up 305 00:21:26,996 --> 00:21:29,549 and saw the biggest bird that she'd ever seen in her life, 306 00:21:29,585 --> 00:21:31,240 sittin' there starin' at her. 307 00:21:31,276 --> 00:21:34,659 And she said it scared her and she turned to run 308 00:21:34,692 --> 00:21:37,489 and she said, the bird raised up, flew across 309 00:21:37,523 --> 00:21:39,732 and landed in the trees over on this island. 310 00:21:39,767 --> 00:21:41,320 She said it was enormous. 311 00:21:41,355 --> 00:21:43,080 She was very detailed about it. 312 00:21:43,115 --> 00:21:46,635 And I asked her specifically, you know, when this happened 313 00:21:46,671 --> 00:21:50,468 and she said, it was the late '60s, early '70s era. 314 00:21:50,501 --> 00:21:54,436 - In the 1970s, I met my husband and married him 315 00:21:54,471 --> 00:21:56,369 and he is from Point Pleasant. 316 00:21:56,404 --> 00:21:59,579 He and his dad were actually out in their car, 317 00:21:59,615 --> 00:22:01,788 driving around and looking for Mothman. 318 00:22:02,686 --> 00:22:04,413 And he was camping out in his backyard 319 00:22:04,446 --> 00:22:08,278 hoping to find Mothman, where I was, you know, 320 00:22:08,313 --> 00:22:11,626 40 miles away, terrified at thesame time. 321 00:22:11,661 --> 00:22:13,051 - You know there were sightingsin Ohio, 322 00:22:13,076 --> 00:22:14,940 there were sightings in West Virginia, 323 00:22:14,974 --> 00:22:16,977 Pennsylvania, Kentucky. 324 00:22:17,010 --> 00:22:20,256 It's just that that rash of sightings didn't last 325 00:22:20,289 --> 00:22:23,327 nearly as long as it did here in Point Pleasant. 326 00:22:23,363 --> 00:22:25,365 - Major players in the Mothman story 327 00:22:25,398 --> 00:22:28,816 during the 1960s and '70s included the likes 328 00:22:28,851 --> 00:22:32,923 of West Virginia UFO author and investigator, Gray Barker 329 00:22:32,958 --> 00:22:34,304 and a newspaper reporter 330 00:22:34,338 --> 00:22:37,376 and Point Pleasant local, Mary Hyre. 331 00:22:37,411 --> 00:22:40,345 Hyre chronicled the ongoing activity taking place 332 00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:42,933 following the collapse of the Silver Bridge, 333 00:22:42,968 --> 00:22:45,936 relaying sightings of Mothman, UFOs 334 00:22:45,971 --> 00:22:48,041 and the infamous Men in Black 335 00:22:48,076 --> 00:22:50,561 in her "Athens Messenger" columntitled, 336 00:22:50,596 --> 00:22:52,770 "Where the Waters Mingle." 337 00:22:52,806 --> 00:22:55,290 Hyre herself had a run-in with a Man in Black 338 00:22:55,325 --> 00:22:57,810 in her Point Pleasant office following the collapse 339 00:22:57,845 --> 00:23:01,573 of the Silver Bridge in Decemberof 1967. 340 00:23:01,607 --> 00:23:04,472 However, in February of 1970, 341 00:23:04,507 --> 00:23:08,131 Hyre would pass away after an extended illness. 342 00:23:08,165 --> 00:23:09,511 Around Point Pleasant, 343 00:23:09,547 --> 00:23:12,480 the Mothman became less of a talking point, 344 00:23:12,515 --> 00:23:14,103 although the UFO activity, 345 00:23:14,136 --> 00:23:16,932 which accompanied the initial wave of strangeness, 346 00:23:16,968 --> 00:23:18,417 continued unabated. 347 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:22,249 While Hyre was tracking ongoingreports 348 00:23:22,282 --> 00:23:24,941 during the late '60s and early '70s, 349 00:23:24,976 --> 00:23:27,150 New York based author, John Keel, 350 00:23:27,184 --> 00:23:29,186 was laboring over his own recounting 351 00:23:29,221 --> 00:23:32,292 of the 13-month-winged-creaturesiege. 352 00:23:32,327 --> 00:23:33,915 Keel would release his book, 353 00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:38,092 "The Mothman Prophecies" in 1975. 354 00:23:38,126 --> 00:23:40,923 The nonfiction saga would become a bestseller 355 00:23:40,957 --> 00:23:43,683 and reignite an interest in thetopic. 356 00:23:43,719 --> 00:23:46,272 Keel continue to write about theMothman, 357 00:23:46,307 --> 00:23:49,103 but no longer made trips to Point Pleasant. 358 00:23:49,137 --> 00:23:51,070 And with Mary Hyre no longer around 359 00:23:51,105 --> 00:23:53,211 to update Keel on the Mothman, 360 00:23:53,244 --> 00:23:55,626 no one was keeping tabs on the creature, 361 00:23:55,662 --> 00:23:57,767 who was now making its presencefelt 362 00:23:57,801 --> 00:23:59,113 around much of Appalachia. 363 00:24:00,493 --> 00:24:02,771 - I think the planets kind of aligned 364 00:24:02,807 --> 00:24:04,602 with the sightings in Point Pleasant 365 00:24:04,635 --> 00:24:08,364 because number one, you had all these people seeing UFOs, 366 00:24:08,397 --> 00:24:11,332 the Men in Black, the Mothman, the Silver Bridge collapse. 367 00:24:11,366 --> 00:24:13,680 John Keel comes to town 368 00:24:13,713 --> 00:24:17,131 and it isolated the Point Pleasant sightings. 369 00:24:17,165 --> 00:24:20,065 - I came across "The Mothman Prophecies," the book, 370 00:24:20,099 --> 00:24:24,483 in the mid-'90s and it immediately got my attention 371 00:24:24,518 --> 00:24:26,209 'cause it sort of was my sweet spot 372 00:24:26,243 --> 00:24:27,876 in terms of my interest in the paranormal, 373 00:24:27,901 --> 00:24:30,351 which is, well it had tons of phenomenon in it, 374 00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:33,769 UFOs, poltergeists, the Mothman. 375 00:24:33,802 --> 00:24:35,391 And at the same time, 376 00:24:35,424 --> 00:24:37,842 the story was told from the point of view of John Keel, 377 00:24:37,875 --> 00:24:39,671 the guy who was there investigating it, 378 00:24:39,705 --> 00:24:43,156 and it focused so much on his interaction 379 00:24:43,192 --> 00:24:45,815 with the phenomenon and theway it affected him personally, 380 00:24:45,849 --> 00:24:47,265 which I found fascinating. 381 00:24:47,298 --> 00:24:50,509 - Well "The Mothman Prophecies" book didn't come together 382 00:24:50,544 --> 00:24:53,547 until about 10 years after the events. 383 00:24:53,582 --> 00:24:55,721 He did do some, there was an article 384 00:24:55,756 --> 00:24:59,208 in "The Flying Saucer Review" and I think "Saga Magazine" 385 00:24:59,241 --> 00:25:00,727 where he did talk about it 386 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,866 and he talked about certain elements of it. 387 00:25:02,901 --> 00:25:06,076 Apparently his publisher told him, he said, "Hey, look, 388 00:25:06,111 --> 00:25:08,458 it's time we put together a book on the Mothman." 389 00:25:08,492 --> 00:25:12,013 So Keel talks about how he got his tattered briefcase out 390 00:25:12,048 --> 00:25:15,292 and went through all his notes and articles and so forth 391 00:25:15,326 --> 00:25:17,640 and kind of pieced together a book. 392 00:25:17,674 --> 00:25:19,573 - What was happening in Point Pleasant 393 00:25:19,607 --> 00:25:21,712 felt extremely personal. 394 00:25:21,748 --> 00:25:22,955 And what was interesting to me 395 00:25:22,990 --> 00:25:24,991 was this sort of interactive nature 396 00:25:25,027 --> 00:25:27,236 of his experience with the phenomenon. 397 00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:28,443 The more he studied it 398 00:25:28,478 --> 00:25:31,791 and the more he tried to really nail it down 399 00:25:31,826 --> 00:25:33,759 and be totally objective, 400 00:25:33,794 --> 00:25:38,798 the more the phenomenon seemed to want to bring him on stage 401 00:25:39,109 --> 00:25:42,215 as it were and make his experience less objective 402 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:45,150 and more subjective and that's exactly what happened. 403 00:25:55,194 --> 00:25:57,299 - In November of 1966, 404 00:25:57,335 --> 00:26:00,579 Roger and Linda Scarberry and Steve and Mary Mallette 405 00:26:00,614 --> 00:26:02,926 had the first regionally-reported encounter 406 00:26:02,961 --> 00:26:04,444 with the Mothman. 407 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,275 The incident took place in an area 408 00:26:06,308 --> 00:26:08,587 frequently tied to Mothman lore, 409 00:26:08,622 --> 00:26:10,382 an abandoned munitions facility 410 00:26:10,416 --> 00:26:12,763 just outside of Point Pleasant. 411 00:26:12,798 --> 00:26:16,146 The area was known as the McClintic Wildlife Management Area 412 00:26:16,181 --> 00:26:20,599 or as locals referred to it, theTNT Area. 413 00:26:20,634 --> 00:26:23,636 While the bizarre entity would become known as the Mothman 414 00:26:23,672 --> 00:26:25,086 a short time later, 415 00:26:25,121 --> 00:26:29,747 it was initially referred to as the Bird or the Birdman. 416 00:26:30,748 --> 00:26:33,198 Its association with a known avian animal 417 00:26:33,232 --> 00:26:35,648 was based in part on the creature's wings, 418 00:26:35,683 --> 00:26:37,270 its ability to fly 419 00:26:37,306 --> 00:26:40,964 and its occasional comparison to a large owl. 420 00:26:40,999 --> 00:26:43,760 In other words, many encounters detailed a being 421 00:26:43,795 --> 00:26:45,901 that looked and behaved like a bird. 422 00:26:46,763 --> 00:26:47,971 Despite stranger features 423 00:26:48,006 --> 00:26:50,490 described in later Mothman reports, 424 00:26:50,526 --> 00:26:52,942 the ID of a man-sized winged creature 425 00:26:52,977 --> 00:26:54,392 that descends from the sky 426 00:26:54,425 --> 00:26:57,084 to terrify people when they least expect it 427 00:26:57,118 --> 00:27:00,811 is an ancient one and one foundworldwide. 428 00:27:02,157 --> 00:27:03,952 - John Keel, his original title, 429 00:27:03,988 --> 00:27:05,852 which never made it to press obviously, 430 00:27:05,885 --> 00:27:07,369 was the "Year of the Garuda." 431 00:27:07,404 --> 00:27:09,509 He saw sort of a connection 432 00:27:09,545 --> 00:27:13,583 with the Hindu mythology ofthe Garuda, this winged entity. 433 00:27:13,617 --> 00:27:15,895 Of course he was knocked down by the publisher. 434 00:27:15,931 --> 00:27:18,484 - But the Garuda is in multiple traditions. 435 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,662 In Hinduism, the Garuda is a massive sun bird 436 00:27:22,695 --> 00:27:25,560 that ultimately becomes the vehicle, the mount, 437 00:27:25,595 --> 00:27:26,734 for the god Vishnu. 438 00:27:26,769 --> 00:27:30,221 It is depicted as some human features, 439 00:27:30,255 --> 00:27:32,394 sometimes two arms, sometimes four arms, 440 00:27:32,430 --> 00:27:36,227 but the body of an eagle, massive wings as well. 441 00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:37,434 - And you know, 442 00:27:37,469 --> 00:27:39,240 when you read some aspects of "The Mothman Prophecies," 443 00:27:39,263 --> 00:27:41,611 "The year of the Garuda was at hand. 444 00:27:41,645 --> 00:27:43,717 A shadow was passing over a little town 445 00:27:43,751 --> 00:27:46,926 I had never even heard of, Point Pleasant, West Virginia." 446 00:27:46,961 --> 00:27:51,241 This winged apparition, sometimes winged-demon or whatever, 447 00:27:51,276 --> 00:27:54,555 I think it just lends it to theidea 448 00:27:54,589 --> 00:27:57,799 that whatever Mothman was, it is kind of an archetype. 449 00:28:03,529 --> 00:28:04,772 - I remember back, 450 00:28:04,807 --> 00:28:08,190 and it started out they didn't even call it Mothman. 451 00:28:08,223 --> 00:28:10,432 There for several months, they called him Birdman. 452 00:28:10,468 --> 00:28:11,917 I do remember that. 453 00:28:11,951 --> 00:28:13,194 And then something went around 454 00:28:13,229 --> 00:28:17,026 that it was a sandhill crane, the rather large crane 455 00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:19,546 that had red feathers around itseyes. 456 00:28:19,579 --> 00:28:23,170 - The kind of explanations that get talked about a lot, 457 00:28:23,204 --> 00:28:25,517 one of them is a sandhill crane. 458 00:28:25,551 --> 00:28:27,519 A friend of mine, Forrest Burgess, 459 00:28:27,554 --> 00:28:30,867 once said that, "The sandhill crane is to Mothman 460 00:28:30,902 --> 00:28:33,698 what swamp gas is to UFOs." 461 00:28:33,732 --> 00:28:35,873 You know, it's the go-to explanation 462 00:28:35,906 --> 00:28:38,115 that makes absolutely no sense. 463 00:28:38,151 --> 00:28:40,773 - Other people thought, youknow, well, maybe it was a bird, 464 00:28:40,808 --> 00:28:42,913 but it was a mutated bird. 465 00:28:42,949 --> 00:28:45,260 You know, the TNT Area, the waste in the TNT Area 466 00:28:45,296 --> 00:28:48,161 and the chemicals used in WorldWar II 467 00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:49,782 contaminated the ground. 468 00:28:49,817 --> 00:28:53,822 Which makes a perfect scenario for a Boris Karloff movie. 469 00:28:53,855 --> 00:28:56,375 - I know that back in the '80s, that they came in 470 00:28:58,343 --> 00:28:59,792 and it was an EPA disaster site 471 00:28:59,827 --> 00:29:02,451 and they had to shave two or three inches of top soil off 472 00:29:02,484 --> 00:29:05,039 within an eight mile radius just to clean the place up. 473 00:29:05,074 --> 00:29:07,352 - But that was maybe a way for a lot of those people 474 00:29:07,386 --> 00:29:09,872 to validate, "Hey, yeah, it was some sort of a monster 475 00:29:09,906 --> 00:29:12,806 because it got into this toxic waste 476 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,118 and it resembled a monster." 477 00:29:15,153 --> 00:29:16,809 It scared people, you know, 478 00:29:16,845 --> 00:29:19,951 and it's no secret that the TNT Area was contaminated 479 00:29:19,986 --> 00:29:21,849 with a lot of stuff. 480 00:29:22,953 --> 00:29:25,094 - It's not a natural creature to this area. 481 00:29:25,128 --> 00:29:27,164 There wouldn't be anything that would match that. 482 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,410 There's no birds that would have wings anywhere close 483 00:29:30,443 --> 00:29:33,344 to the size of Mothman, you know, his wings. 484 00:29:33,377 --> 00:29:35,483 - Yes, there are many researchers 485 00:29:35,518 --> 00:29:39,936 that look at the giant birds as something very tangible. 486 00:29:39,971 --> 00:29:41,523 There have been a sightings 487 00:29:41,558 --> 00:29:43,663 that look like they were just giant owls. 488 00:29:43,699 --> 00:29:46,322 And the Mothman, it's seen in the dark sometimes, 489 00:29:46,356 --> 00:29:48,807 did look quite like kind of a giant owl. 490 00:29:49,877 --> 00:29:52,363 - It's common in folklore for a screech owl. 491 00:29:52,396 --> 00:29:54,260 In Welsh there's the Corpse Bird. 492 00:29:54,296 --> 00:29:57,092 It's a screech owl that comes banging at the window 493 00:29:57,125 --> 00:29:59,231 of someone who's ill or sick. 494 00:29:59,266 --> 00:30:02,614 And then that motif follows its way into Appalachia, too. 495 00:30:02,648 --> 00:30:04,684 If you see or hear an owl 496 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,859 outside of your window at night making a call, 497 00:30:06,894 --> 00:30:08,758 it's a sign that someone's goingto die. 498 00:30:08,792 --> 00:30:12,865 Likewise, if a bird flies in your house, 499 00:30:12,901 --> 00:30:14,280 that's really bad news. 500 00:30:14,316 --> 00:30:17,526 Someone is probably going to get hurt or die as well. 501 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,184 - The Native American of coursehave the Thunderbird legend, 502 00:30:21,219 --> 00:30:23,566 which some people associate with the Mothman, 503 00:30:23,601 --> 00:30:25,775 I think maybe John Keel did even. 504 00:30:25,809 --> 00:30:28,019 - The Thunder Bird is a Southwest tribal, 505 00:30:28,054 --> 00:30:30,779 it is not Shawnee, it's not Eastern Woodland. 506 00:30:30,815 --> 00:30:33,299 So it is said that the Mothman could be tied 507 00:30:33,335 --> 00:30:36,855 to the Thunderbird, but wedidn't have a Thunderbird here. 508 00:30:40,238 --> 00:30:42,931 - Tom Ury, one of the Mothman witnesses, 509 00:30:42,964 --> 00:30:45,795 that's really what he saw was a giant bird, 510 00:30:45,829 --> 00:30:48,246 about a 10 to 12 foot wingspan. 511 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,353 I was able to talk to him one on one about his experience. 512 00:30:51,386 --> 00:30:53,217 In fact, Tom, for a while, 513 00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:55,909 thought that the other people like Linda Scarberry 514 00:30:55,943 --> 00:30:57,980 and Marcella Bennett and so forth, 515 00:30:58,015 --> 00:30:59,361 saw the same thing he did, 516 00:30:59,394 --> 00:31:01,777 but thought perhaps it was so shocking 517 00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:04,434 that they've maybe added the details. 518 00:31:05,607 --> 00:31:07,299 But the thing is about the Mothman, 519 00:31:07,334 --> 00:31:08,508 the Mothman was a paradox. 520 00:31:08,541 --> 00:31:10,105 Some people got a pretty good look at it, 521 00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:13,375 and it was about seven feet, tall, dark gray, or black, 522 00:31:13,409 --> 00:31:14,824 about a 10 foot wingspan. 523 00:31:14,858 --> 00:31:17,619 A 10 foot wingspan probably isn't gonna lift something 524 00:31:17,654 --> 00:31:18,897 that's seven foot tall. 525 00:31:18,932 --> 00:31:22,038 Just biologically it didn'twork, but people kept seeing it. 526 00:31:30,011 --> 00:31:33,118 - While the 1980s were a dead zone for Mothman research, 527 00:31:33,153 --> 00:31:34,948 sightings of winged humanoids 528 00:31:34,982 --> 00:31:37,295 and giant birds continued around Appalachia. 529 00:31:38,192 --> 00:31:39,607 In Northern Pennsylvania, 530 00:31:39,642 --> 00:31:42,162 a string of reports of a pterosaur-like creature 531 00:31:42,197 --> 00:31:45,545 made regional headlines during the early '80s. 532 00:31:45,578 --> 00:31:48,927 Meanwhile, around Point Pleasant and West Virginia, 533 00:31:48,961 --> 00:31:51,205 the red-eyed creature that dominated headlines 534 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,038 during the late 1960s had faded into relative obscurity. 535 00:31:56,073 --> 00:31:58,867 Despite the Mothman's lack of popularity, 536 00:31:58,903 --> 00:32:00,490 kids still warned one another 537 00:32:00,525 --> 00:32:03,977 about venturing into the TNT Area after dark. 538 00:32:04,011 --> 00:32:06,634 Tales also circulated amongst the locals, 539 00:32:06,669 --> 00:32:08,222 such as one in which hunters 540 00:32:08,257 --> 00:32:10,363 encountered a mysteriously largebird 541 00:32:10,396 --> 00:32:12,468 in the early morning hours. 542 00:32:12,502 --> 00:32:15,057 A group of teenagers even claimed to have found a pile 543 00:32:15,092 --> 00:32:16,990 of abnormally large feathers 544 00:32:17,025 --> 00:32:19,372 in one of the abandoned TNT bunkers. 545 00:32:20,476 --> 00:32:21,925 As the years tick by, 546 00:32:21,961 --> 00:32:24,584 the reality of what was encountered began to fade 547 00:32:24,617 --> 00:32:26,895 and was replaced by something else, 548 00:32:26,931 --> 00:32:29,382 a modern folktale in the making. 549 00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:31,417 Still, an absence of evidence 550 00:32:31,452 --> 00:32:34,663 doesn't necessarily indicate evidence of absence, 551 00:32:34,697 --> 00:32:38,493 as Leah Wilson discovered in the summer of 1987. 552 00:32:38,528 --> 00:32:40,840 - I was in Calhoun County, WestVirginia, 553 00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:44,190 Leading Creek Road, it's outside of Grantsville, 554 00:32:44,223 --> 00:32:47,538 my aunt and uncle's old farm house. 555 00:32:47,572 --> 00:32:49,471 A few months before that, like in the spring, 556 00:32:49,505 --> 00:32:50,517 people were talkin' about, 557 00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:53,958 like their chickens and stuff coming up missing, 558 00:32:53,992 --> 00:32:55,165 you know overnight. 559 00:32:55,201 --> 00:32:57,410 But they would talk about weirdnoises, 560 00:32:57,443 --> 00:33:00,964 but no one had ever talkedabout actually seein' anything. 561 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,381 The farmhouse, there's nothing around it. 562 00:33:03,415 --> 00:33:05,970 So there's no other residents for like a half a mile 563 00:33:06,005 --> 00:33:07,765 from the house that I was stayin' in. 564 00:33:07,798 --> 00:33:11,044 And it was probably 1987, '88, 565 00:33:11,078 --> 00:33:12,838 somewhere around there, summertime, 566 00:33:14,529 --> 00:33:16,049 it was like two o'clock in the morning, 567 00:33:16,084 --> 00:33:17,118 I was just goin' to bed 568 00:33:17,153 --> 00:33:19,051 from after watching movies and stuff. 569 00:33:21,296 --> 00:33:25,299 And across the street from the farmhouse is a holler 570 00:33:25,334 --> 00:33:29,337 that goes up on the hill and I started hearing this noise. 571 00:33:31,857 --> 00:33:33,272 You could tell us some kind of, 572 00:33:33,307 --> 00:33:35,034 I thought it was kind of a bird-type thing. 573 00:33:35,067 --> 00:33:37,483 I thought maybe it was an owl or somethin', 574 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,521 but it just kept getting closerand closer 575 00:33:40,556 --> 00:33:42,695 and louder and louder. 576 00:33:43,972 --> 00:33:46,804 The only way I can describe it is the Hollywood movies, 577 00:33:46,837 --> 00:33:48,564 the pterodactyl noises, you know, 578 00:33:48,598 --> 00:33:49,817 that's the only way I can describe it. 579 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,708 It was that loud and that piercing and it kind of had, 580 00:33:55,123 --> 00:33:57,089 I don't know, kind of a giggling, 581 00:33:57,125 --> 00:33:59,092 loud giggling noise to it, too. 582 00:33:59,126 --> 00:34:00,955 I mean, it's really hard to describe. 583 00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:05,097 By the time I sat up to look out the window, 584 00:34:05,133 --> 00:34:07,099 'cause I thought whatever this was 585 00:34:07,134 --> 00:34:09,757 was gonna fly right into the window, 586 00:34:09,791 --> 00:34:13,900 the wingspan of this covered thewindows. 587 00:34:19,007 --> 00:34:21,942 And then when it got to that part of the house 588 00:34:21,976 --> 00:34:24,773 and went up over the house, you actually could hear it. 589 00:34:24,806 --> 00:34:28,121 You actually heard the whoosh sound. 590 00:34:28,155 --> 00:34:31,744 Again, not sure what I wasgonna do or what I'd just seen. 591 00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:33,989 I turned around to the back window of the bedroom 592 00:34:34,023 --> 00:34:36,371 and you could see the shadow of whatever this was flyin' 593 00:34:36,405 --> 00:34:39,338 over the field to the back of the house. 594 00:34:39,373 --> 00:34:41,271 I've never heard anything like that. 595 00:34:41,306 --> 00:34:46,311 I have stayed at that country house all my life, you know, 596 00:34:46,726 --> 00:34:49,072 never heard it, never seen it, anything like that again. 597 00:34:49,108 --> 00:34:51,557 So not sure what it was, 598 00:34:51,592 --> 00:34:54,492 but it was something that was very large 599 00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:56,769 and very loud and very fast. 600 00:34:56,804 --> 00:34:58,161 'Cause that holler that it cameout 601 00:34:58,186 --> 00:35:00,048 was probably about a mile long. 602 00:35:00,083 --> 00:35:03,362 You know, I was the first one on that Leading Creek Road 603 00:35:03,398 --> 00:35:05,952 that actually seen somethin'. 604 00:35:09,472 --> 00:35:11,336 - You know I think there were things going on 605 00:35:11,371 --> 00:35:13,166 all the way through the '80s and'90s. 606 00:35:13,201 --> 00:35:15,719 It's real hard to validate a lot of that stuff 607 00:35:15,755 --> 00:35:18,827 because sometimes it comes from other states, 608 00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:20,760 but it's hard for me to pinpointand say, 609 00:35:20,793 --> 00:35:25,661 that's exactly what they were seeing here in 1966, '67. 610 00:35:28,905 --> 00:35:31,184 - We had that other sighting in Parkersburg 611 00:35:31,219 --> 00:35:34,186 of the girl having seen it on Quincy Hill. 612 00:35:34,222 --> 00:35:38,880 She said when she was in high school in 1987, 613 00:35:38,916 --> 00:35:41,574 she and her boyfriend were driving 614 00:35:41,608 --> 00:35:43,644 to the top of Quincy Hill, 615 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,751 which is the highest location in Parkersburg. 616 00:35:46,786 --> 00:35:48,027 Something very similar, 617 00:35:48,063 --> 00:35:51,135 they saw this huge creature was walking across the street. 618 00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:54,621 She said, it looked like six-and-a-half-foot insect. 619 00:35:54,655 --> 00:35:56,898 She said its knees were on backwards, 620 00:35:56,934 --> 00:35:58,590 you know like an insect's leg 621 00:35:59,487 --> 00:36:00,972 and had these huge wings as well. 622 00:36:01,007 --> 00:36:04,492 But she said, the thing that stood out to her was 623 00:36:04,527 --> 00:36:07,909 this creature had a shuffling gait, 624 00:36:07,945 --> 00:36:11,465 like it was not used to walking on its feet. 625 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,088 That told me she was tellin' thetruth 626 00:36:14,123 --> 00:36:16,402 because I had read a lot of the written accounts 627 00:36:16,436 --> 00:36:17,782 down a Point Pleasant, 628 00:36:17,817 --> 00:36:20,543 they all described the Mothman as walking that way. 629 00:36:21,476 --> 00:36:23,028 - In the early 1990s, 630 00:36:23,063 --> 00:36:25,237 a Point Pleasant local named Darren Hayes 631 00:36:25,273 --> 00:36:28,172 encountered the Mothman in the TNT Area. 632 00:36:28,206 --> 00:36:31,244 While talking to Jeff Wamsley in an interview for his book, 633 00:36:31,278 --> 00:36:33,797 "Mothman, Behind the Red Eyes," 634 00:36:33,833 --> 00:36:36,179 Hayes recalled while driving into the area, 635 00:36:36,215 --> 00:36:40,184 a massive winged humanoid-bird appeared above the car. 636 00:36:40,219 --> 00:36:41,806 As Hayes stepped on the gas, 637 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,706 the creature made five or six passes over the car 638 00:36:44,739 --> 00:36:46,983 before the vehicle eventually outran it 639 00:36:47,018 --> 00:36:49,813 as the men headed back to PointPleasant. 640 00:36:50,746 --> 00:36:52,679 Darren's account wouldn't becomepublic 641 00:36:52,713 --> 00:36:54,887 until the publication of Wamsley's book 642 00:36:54,922 --> 00:36:56,682 nearly a decade later. 643 00:36:56,717 --> 00:36:57,891 The story illustrates 644 00:36:57,925 --> 00:37:01,585 that the Mothman was still making its presence felt. 645 00:37:01,619 --> 00:37:04,242 Perhaps no one felt the creature's presence more 646 00:37:04,277 --> 00:37:06,003 than John Keel. 647 00:37:06,036 --> 00:37:08,074 Despite living states away 648 00:37:08,108 --> 00:37:10,076 and making an effort to distancehimself 649 00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:11,974 from "The Mothman Prophecies," 650 00:37:12,009 --> 00:37:14,528 the author felt himself pulled back to the story 651 00:37:14,563 --> 00:37:15,943 over the years. 652 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,463 - People thought he had the answers 653 00:37:18,498 --> 00:37:20,949 because he had spent so much time in Point Pleasant. 654 00:37:20,983 --> 00:37:23,744 He stayed with Linda's family, Linda Scarberry's family. 655 00:37:23,778 --> 00:37:24,987 In "The Mothman Prophecies," 656 00:37:25,021 --> 00:37:28,059 it talks about how his life became intertwined 657 00:37:28,094 --> 00:37:29,751 with the people of the Ohio Valley, 658 00:37:29,784 --> 00:37:31,856 especially in Point Pleasant. 659 00:37:31,891 --> 00:37:32,891 - Here's how it went. 660 00:37:32,925 --> 00:37:34,789 When John Keel was there, 661 00:37:34,824 --> 00:37:37,103 the entire town was sort of haunted. 662 00:37:37,137 --> 00:37:41,003 The people that he was speaking to were very scared 663 00:37:41,038 --> 00:37:42,072 about what was going on. 664 00:37:42,108 --> 00:37:43,902 There seemed to be a general understanding 665 00:37:43,936 --> 00:37:46,836 that all of this was going to lead to something bad, 666 00:37:46,871 --> 00:37:49,528 at least that's certainly what John Keel felt. 667 00:37:49,563 --> 00:37:52,117 - He had proposed some ideas for other books 668 00:37:52,152 --> 00:37:53,291 that never came about. 669 00:37:53,326 --> 00:37:56,364 He seemed to kind of move away from it. 670 00:37:56,398 --> 00:37:58,882 I remember hearing people that interviewed him, 671 00:37:58,918 --> 00:38:00,436 they want to talk about the Mothman, 672 00:38:00,471 --> 00:38:01,920 he would change the subject, 673 00:38:01,954 --> 00:38:03,956 he would want to talk about something else. 674 00:38:03,992 --> 00:38:05,349 - Because he was solving his ownmystery 675 00:38:05,373 --> 00:38:07,166 and he really wanted an answer. 676 00:38:07,202 --> 00:38:09,893 And like most of us do when we first get involved 677 00:38:09,929 --> 00:38:12,380 in the paranormal, 678 00:38:12,414 --> 00:38:15,590 we think, on a certain level, we're gonna figure it out. 679 00:38:15,623 --> 00:38:19,731 The experience typically does not provide an answer 680 00:38:19,766 --> 00:38:21,561 and it certainly didn't for JohnKeel. 681 00:38:21,596 --> 00:38:24,668 - When people would ask him, "What was the Mothman? 682 00:38:24,702 --> 00:38:25,702 What was it all about?" 683 00:38:25,737 --> 00:38:28,222 He'd have to be honest and say he didn't know. 684 00:38:28,257 --> 00:38:29,545 I mean, he didn't have the answers. 685 00:38:29,568 --> 00:38:32,364 He was someone that chronicled the events. 686 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,402 A very important thing about Keel, 687 00:38:34,436 --> 00:38:38,164 he didn't reject stuff that didn't fit a certain paradigm. 688 00:38:38,197 --> 00:38:42,306 And that's how he became towrite books like "Trojan Horse," 689 00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:44,481 because he began to see the interconnectedness 690 00:38:44,514 --> 00:38:46,172 of all paranormal activity. 691 00:39:02,429 --> 00:39:06,572 - So I grew up pretty much right near the woodlot. 692 00:39:08,987 --> 00:39:10,472 We were the last house actually, 693 00:39:10,507 --> 00:39:12,059 before it turns into the woods 694 00:39:12,094 --> 00:39:14,233 and you know, a very small area. 695 00:39:14,268 --> 00:39:16,202 And there was a community area, 696 00:39:18,686 --> 00:39:20,447 an old community area 697 00:39:20,481 --> 00:39:23,485 and passed down, you know, family to family, 698 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:24,900 one of those kind of deals. 699 00:39:26,349 --> 00:39:27,603 I've been going over it in my head 700 00:39:27,626 --> 00:39:29,027 and this is pretty much how it went. 701 00:39:30,009 --> 00:39:32,632 We were comin' home, it was either 1999 or 2000, 702 00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:35,807 We were comin' home 703 00:39:35,842 --> 00:39:37,222 and it was late in the evening. 704 00:39:38,534 --> 00:39:40,052 We're coming around the first curve 705 00:39:40,088 --> 00:39:43,262 and the first curve will be near a graveyard actually, 706 00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:46,646 it's an old family graveyard, it's up on a hill there. 707 00:39:46,681 --> 00:39:49,925 And as we go around the curve, we slowed down 708 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,652 and the headlights hit somethin' in the road. 709 00:39:57,485 --> 00:39:59,418 What they hit was a form 710 00:40:00,590 --> 00:40:02,903 and for a split second, I thought, "Oh, it's a large bird," 711 00:40:02,938 --> 00:40:04,077 and all that. 712 00:40:04,112 --> 00:40:06,458 And then, we're sitting there you know, 713 00:40:06,494 --> 00:40:09,358 and this thing, whatever it was, 714 00:40:09,393 --> 00:40:11,257 you notice really quickly it's not a bird 715 00:40:11,291 --> 00:40:13,121 because you can kinda almost see through it. 716 00:40:13,155 --> 00:40:15,364 It has this weird, not translucent, 717 00:40:15,398 --> 00:40:17,574 but almost like it was phasing or shifting. 718 00:40:18,505 --> 00:40:20,784 It kinda stands up a little bit 719 00:40:20,818 --> 00:40:23,476 and puts out what I assume werewings, 720 00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:24,719 I mean, arms somethin' 721 00:40:24,753 --> 00:40:26,789 and they reached almost to the sides of the road. 722 00:40:26,824 --> 00:40:30,621 But with just one movement, it shot straight up. 723 00:40:30,655 --> 00:40:32,554 And as it's shootin' straight up, you know, 724 00:40:32,588 --> 00:40:34,313 we're sitting there and you could hear it 725 00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:35,487 and you can see it, too. 726 00:40:35,523 --> 00:40:37,594 There were twigs fallin', you know? 727 00:40:37,628 --> 00:40:39,146 It made no sense. 728 00:40:39,181 --> 00:40:41,425 The speed at which it moved, I have no idea. 729 00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:44,186 Now I never thought for one second when this happened, 730 00:40:44,221 --> 00:40:45,773 by the way, you know, 731 00:40:45,809 --> 00:40:47,775 that was Mothman or that was somethin'. 732 00:40:47,811 --> 00:40:52,090 Nope, what I felt was absolute, 100% fear, terror. 733 00:40:52,125 --> 00:40:53,817 I hit the gas as hard as I possibly could. 734 00:40:53,851 --> 00:40:56,681 I don't think I ever got that car to go as fast 735 00:40:56,715 --> 00:40:57,958 as I did that night. 736 00:40:57,992 --> 00:40:59,063 And it weird about that, 737 00:40:59,097 --> 00:41:01,099 and I looked back at it to thisday, 738 00:41:01,134 --> 00:41:05,137 but something said, "Get out," and I got out. 739 00:41:06,001 --> 00:41:07,313 Yeah, it was pretty scary. 740 00:41:14,733 --> 00:41:17,840 But what is really weird about the story 741 00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:19,463 is not my sighting, 742 00:41:21,327 --> 00:41:23,536 the part that gets me is, 743 00:41:23,570 --> 00:41:25,606 where it happened is only about 744 00:41:26,539 --> 00:41:28,644 just maybe a couple hundred yards 745 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,855 from where my mom had a sighting 746 00:41:31,889 --> 00:41:34,719 and that would have been in the'50s. 747 00:41:34,753 --> 00:41:38,447 And her and four other people atthe time 748 00:41:38,481 --> 00:41:41,105 had seen what they described as a gray ghost. 749 00:41:42,141 --> 00:41:45,902 They were walking along the ridge line at the time. 750 00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:49,561 They said that this gray thing appeared near the graveyard 751 00:41:50,494 --> 00:41:51,909 and 752 00:41:51,943 --> 00:41:52,737 to them, 753 00:41:52,771 --> 00:41:53,771 it just 754 00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:56,119 went up in the air. 755 00:41:56,155 --> 00:41:58,398 That was their words. "It went up in the air." 756 00:41:59,572 --> 00:42:00,746 I didn't even, you know, 757 00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:02,574 we've heard that story so much growin' up 758 00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:05,266 and it's just like, you know, it never really clicked 759 00:42:05,302 --> 00:42:06,451 until that night I saw that thing. 760 00:42:06,474 --> 00:42:08,373 I'm like, "This is where they saw it." 761 00:42:13,413 --> 00:42:17,347 - From sandhill crane to giant owl, to mythical birds, 762 00:42:17,382 --> 00:42:19,902 during the 1960s and up until the release 763 00:42:19,936 --> 00:42:23,527 of John Keel's seminal book in 1975, 764 00:42:23,561 --> 00:42:26,599 the most common theories as to what the creature might be 765 00:42:26,634 --> 00:42:30,360 all revolved around tangible flesh and bone beings, 766 00:42:30,396 --> 00:42:33,364 animals that either existed within known science 767 00:42:33,398 --> 00:42:35,159 or on its fringes. 768 00:42:35,193 --> 00:42:38,092 Yet with the release of "The Mothman Prophecies," 769 00:42:38,128 --> 00:42:39,992 something new is proposed. 770 00:42:40,025 --> 00:42:43,028 Suddenly, the answers as to what the entity might be 771 00:42:43,063 --> 00:42:45,929 weren't being sought in the pages of science, 772 00:42:45,963 --> 00:42:48,137 but in the realms of physics. 773 00:42:48,172 --> 00:42:51,590 As Keel put forth his own ideasabout alternate dimensions 774 00:42:51,623 --> 00:42:54,143 and realities to explain the Mothman, 775 00:42:54,177 --> 00:42:58,043 similar theories were beingpresented for various phenomena. 776 00:42:58,079 --> 00:42:59,597 Could the Mothman be a visitor 777 00:42:59,632 --> 00:43:01,737 from another plane of existence, 778 00:43:01,771 --> 00:43:03,842 one beyond our own? 779 00:43:03,878 --> 00:43:06,846 If so, was there something about Point Pleasant, 780 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,467 or even all of Appalachia, 781 00:43:08,503 --> 00:43:12,057 that acted as a gateway between these realities? 782 00:43:12,092 --> 00:43:14,094 Legends suggest that Native Americans 783 00:43:14,128 --> 00:43:17,443 avoided much of the land where West Virginia now sits, 784 00:43:17,476 --> 00:43:18,686 leading to speculation 785 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,068 that the earth itself in this place was cursed. 786 00:43:22,103 --> 00:43:24,414 In later years, an unfounded story 787 00:43:24,449 --> 00:43:27,384 regarding a supposed curse placed on Point Pleasant 788 00:43:27,418 --> 00:43:29,074 began to circulate. 789 00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:30,731 It involved the real life murder 790 00:43:30,766 --> 00:43:33,769 of a Native chief named Cornstalk. 791 00:43:33,804 --> 00:43:36,668 Though likely having little basis in reality, 792 00:43:36,704 --> 00:43:39,188 it is possible that some kernelof truth 793 00:43:39,222 --> 00:43:41,501 does exist in the story. 794 00:43:41,536 --> 00:43:44,987 Perhaps the curse in question was simply a word ascribed 795 00:43:45,021 --> 00:43:48,646 to a location that seemed to invite strangeness, 796 00:43:48,681 --> 00:43:49,958 if not tragedy. 797 00:43:58,621 --> 00:43:59,864 - What I have gathered 798 00:43:59,898 --> 00:44:02,590 is that there are parts in the Ohio Valley 799 00:44:02,626 --> 00:44:05,041 that are kind of believed to becursed. 800 00:44:05,077 --> 00:44:06,250 They're a land of the dead. 801 00:44:06,284 --> 00:44:09,184 It was common for people to be buried closer 802 00:44:09,219 --> 00:44:10,081 to bodies of water. 803 00:44:10,115 --> 00:44:11,675 That's where we find some of themounds. 804 00:44:11,704 --> 00:44:13,153 It's a valley of the dead, 805 00:44:13,188 --> 00:44:16,882 so I would think that any place along a river 806 00:44:16,916 --> 00:44:18,054 is kind of the same thing. 807 00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:19,650 There's probably a lot of burials there. 808 00:44:19,677 --> 00:44:22,163 Different Native American tribes believed so strongly 809 00:44:22,197 --> 00:44:23,681 that they wouldn't come at night. 810 00:44:23,715 --> 00:44:24,579 They would not. 811 00:44:24,612 --> 00:44:25,797 - There's a lot of people that believed 812 00:44:25,822 --> 00:44:27,686 the movement of water is conducive 813 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,793 to helping to produce some of this activity. 814 00:44:31,827 --> 00:44:33,898 And yes, I find it easy to believe 815 00:44:33,932 --> 00:44:35,934 that there is something about the confluence 816 00:44:35,969 --> 00:44:38,213 of the rivers coming together. 817 00:44:38,248 --> 00:44:40,250 There's even the lore about crossroads, you know, 818 00:44:40,284 --> 00:44:41,940 the Devil's Crossroads or whatever, 819 00:44:41,976 --> 00:44:45,358 and that's where Indrid Cold was supposed to have shown up 820 00:44:45,393 --> 00:44:47,152 along Route 77 there. 821 00:44:48,914 --> 00:44:51,536 - That's common in a lot of different cultures. 822 00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:53,987 The idea that a river or a confluence 823 00:44:54,021 --> 00:44:57,543 of bodies of water is a gateway somewhere, yes. 824 00:45:01,166 --> 00:45:02,202 - Keel did not believe 825 00:45:02,237 --> 00:45:04,688 that we were interacting with extraterrestrials. 826 00:45:04,722 --> 00:45:06,552 He called them ultra-terrestrials. 827 00:45:06,585 --> 00:45:08,795 In other words, something that is earth bound, 828 00:45:08,829 --> 00:45:12,005 some sort of phenomenon that originates on earth 829 00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,353 that we can sometimes see and interact with. 830 00:45:15,387 --> 00:45:18,978 And it might be from another dimension, 831 00:45:19,012 --> 00:45:22,153 or it might simply be a little bit outside 832 00:45:22,188 --> 00:45:25,777 our normal perceptual abilities. 833 00:45:25,813 --> 00:45:28,159 - Keel used the term ultra-terrestrial 834 00:45:28,193 --> 00:45:29,677 and he revealed in later years, 835 00:45:29,713 --> 00:45:31,577 he used it as a literary device. 836 00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:34,235 Again, he wasn't really fixed 837 00:45:34,268 --> 00:45:35,626 in his thinking about these things. 838 00:45:35,650 --> 00:45:39,791 It was really a term used to suggest that these entities, 839 00:45:39,827 --> 00:45:42,726 whatever they are, wherever they actually come from, 840 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,831 may be a natural condition of the planets, 841 00:45:44,865 --> 00:45:47,972 suggesting that they're not necessarily from off world 842 00:45:48,007 --> 00:45:50,320 or are even necessarily from another dimension. 843 00:45:50,353 --> 00:45:54,012 - They're your radio waves and ultraviolet rays 844 00:45:54,047 --> 00:45:56,878 and various things that exist and we know they exist, 845 00:45:56,913 --> 00:45:58,052 but we can't see them. 846 00:45:58,085 --> 00:46:00,847 But what if under somecircumstances we could see them, 847 00:46:00,882 --> 00:46:02,572 what else would we see? 848 00:46:02,608 --> 00:46:04,643 And I think his notion was that 849 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:09,269 what we might see is Indrid Cold or the Mothman. 850 00:46:09,304 --> 00:46:10,512 - So the idea would be 851 00:46:10,547 --> 00:46:14,516 that perhaps we can't really conceive of other dimensions 852 00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:18,519 and these creatures or whatever, while they exist with us, 853 00:46:18,554 --> 00:46:21,282 can hide or pass into these other dimensions. 854 00:46:21,315 --> 00:46:24,492 People will use the term vortex or a portal 855 00:46:24,525 --> 00:46:26,458 or a window area. 856 00:46:27,494 --> 00:46:31,429 - I do know that in the 1980s and even before, 857 00:46:31,463 --> 00:46:36,469 the TNT Area was a hub for a lot of occult type activity, 858 00:46:36,849 --> 00:46:40,231 you know, the activity in the TNT Area for all those years. 859 00:46:40,266 --> 00:46:42,786 Is it possible that maybe somebody did something 860 00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:45,961 to open up some kind of portal 861 00:46:45,996 --> 00:46:47,963 to let some kind of activity in? 862 00:46:47,998 --> 00:46:49,793 Why would it just choose Point Pleasant? 863 00:46:49,827 --> 00:46:51,829 Or there's all kinds of questions 864 00:46:51,864 --> 00:46:53,728 and even John Keel himself thought 865 00:46:53,762 --> 00:46:56,041 that there was some kind of portal in the TNT Area. 866 00:46:56,074 --> 00:46:58,181 And if you've ever been to the TNT Area, 867 00:46:58,215 --> 00:47:00,630 there very well could be, you'd never know it, 868 00:47:00,666 --> 00:47:03,806 if you believe in that kind of thing because it's so vast. 869 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:07,362 I've talked to several people 870 00:47:07,396 --> 00:47:11,056 that have seen hooded figures upthere. 871 00:47:11,090 --> 00:47:12,195 When I was a kid, 872 00:47:12,228 --> 00:47:13,240 there was a rumor going around 873 00:47:13,264 --> 00:47:15,507 that the 13th gate to hell was in the TNT area 874 00:47:15,543 --> 00:47:17,786 and that's what I remember about my childhood. 875 00:47:17,820 --> 00:47:19,615 Kind of makes you want to stay away. 876 00:47:21,099 --> 00:47:23,170 My dad's sister, I'm gonna out her, 877 00:47:23,206 --> 00:47:26,760 but she snuck out in highschool with a bunch of friends, 878 00:47:26,795 --> 00:47:28,072 went up to the TNT Area. 879 00:47:28,106 --> 00:47:29,108 That's not unusual, 880 00:47:29,143 --> 00:47:30,914 a lot of people used to do that kind of thing. 881 00:47:30,938 --> 00:47:32,456 Inside the igloos that are up there, 882 00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:35,320 there's like 100 of these bunkers. 883 00:47:35,356 --> 00:47:38,083 Well, there's just a few of those that are open today, 884 00:47:38,117 --> 00:47:40,532 but people like to go up there and investigate 885 00:47:40,568 --> 00:47:42,018 and all that kind of stuff. 886 00:47:42,052 --> 00:47:43,882 Well, they had went into one 887 00:47:43,916 --> 00:47:45,952 and said that there was all these symbols 888 00:47:45,987 --> 00:47:48,369 written all over the walls 889 00:47:48,402 --> 00:47:52,338 and there was a table with a outline 890 00:47:52,373 --> 00:47:53,925 of a cat, 891 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,893 where somebody had sacrificed acat. 892 00:47:55,927 --> 00:47:58,757 There was always stories that, once a year, 893 00:47:58,793 --> 00:48:01,692 that there was a large group ofoccultists 894 00:48:01,726 --> 00:48:03,108 that would come and meet. 895 00:48:03,141 --> 00:48:05,282 I know another girl that was one of my neighbors 896 00:48:05,317 --> 00:48:07,043 that lived up in that area 897 00:48:07,077 --> 00:48:10,114 that said that she was walking in the TNT Area 898 00:48:10,148 --> 00:48:11,840 with her parents one day 899 00:48:11,875 --> 00:48:13,393 and said that she'd looked over 900 00:48:13,427 --> 00:48:16,190 and she'd seen this giant fire 901 00:48:16,224 --> 00:48:18,157 and there was all these people in these hoods 902 00:48:18,192 --> 00:48:20,815 just like standing there aroundit. 903 00:48:20,849 --> 00:48:23,023 And she said she freaked out andran off. 904 00:48:25,992 --> 00:48:27,762 - You know, some of the people that encountered this, 905 00:48:27,786 --> 00:48:31,170 you know, Mothman, giant bird-type creature 906 00:48:31,204 --> 00:48:35,208 that said it was more on a supernatural type of basis. 907 00:48:35,242 --> 00:48:37,175 They felt that what they were seeing 908 00:48:37,210 --> 00:48:41,179 was not a tangible thing they could reach out and touch, 909 00:48:41,215 --> 00:48:43,838 but it was more of a vision of evil. 910 00:48:43,871 --> 00:48:44,873 They said, you know, 911 00:48:44,907 --> 00:48:47,737 "This wasn't an animal or anything like that, 912 00:48:47,773 --> 00:48:50,740 it was more of somethin' that just popped up 913 00:48:50,775 --> 00:48:52,364 and I couldn't explain it." 914 00:48:53,675 --> 00:48:56,092 I think there's a lot of people that tend to think 915 00:48:56,126 --> 00:48:58,922 that it was more of a vision or a spiritual thing. 916 00:48:58,956 --> 00:49:00,451 - Well I think the Mothman is some kind 917 00:49:00,474 --> 00:49:02,132 of an inter-dimensional being 918 00:49:02,166 --> 00:49:05,548 and I think it's very odd that he is described 919 00:49:05,583 --> 00:49:08,586 as being a flesh and blood creature. 920 00:49:08,621 --> 00:49:12,072 Some people describe the wings as looking like bat wings. 921 00:49:12,108 --> 00:49:15,144 Some describe him as having feathers. 922 00:49:15,179 --> 00:49:16,905 He looked flesh and blood, 923 00:49:16,940 --> 00:49:20,047 but yet his eyes looked electrical. 924 00:49:20,081 --> 00:49:23,704 I guess he could be from either another planet 925 00:49:23,739 --> 00:49:26,811 or another dimension that sort of slipped through. 926 00:49:26,846 --> 00:49:29,849 - There really is no explanation as far as I know. 927 00:49:29,884 --> 00:49:34,405 I don't know if there's aparticular unconscious archetype 928 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,510 that's being accessed. 929 00:49:36,545 --> 00:49:39,686 I have a general theory of the paranormal, 930 00:49:39,721 --> 00:49:42,034 which is if it does exist, 931 00:49:42,068 --> 00:49:44,277 if there is an exterior force atwork, 932 00:49:44,311 --> 00:49:46,797 that it might be presenting itself 933 00:49:46,831 --> 00:49:50,284 as almost just as a sort of incoet energy, 934 00:49:50,318 --> 00:49:52,596 almost like snow on a TV. 935 00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:54,909 And as people experience it, 936 00:49:54,943 --> 00:49:58,016 whatever that energy is that they're interacting with, 937 00:49:58,050 --> 00:49:59,396 interacts with their mind 938 00:49:59,431 --> 00:50:03,675 and as human beings we try to unscramble the signal. 939 00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:05,436 It's like a Rorschach test. 940 00:50:05,471 --> 00:50:07,507 Here's this thing, but what do you see? 941 00:50:07,541 --> 00:50:08,956 Some people will see Mothman, 942 00:50:08,992 --> 00:50:11,994 other people will maybe see a dead relative, 943 00:50:12,030 --> 00:50:13,409 other people will see aliens. 944 00:50:13,445 --> 00:50:16,550 It's just sort of your mind flipping through things, 945 00:50:16,585 --> 00:50:18,414 trying to attach to something. 946 00:50:18,449 --> 00:50:21,556 Maybe that exterior energy is interacting with your mind 947 00:50:21,590 --> 00:50:24,525 and helping you select something that works for you 948 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,572 and then you move on to phase two of the experience, 949 00:50:26,596 --> 00:50:29,737 which is whatever the content of the communication is. 950 00:50:31,117 --> 00:50:32,463 - As decades passed, 951 00:50:32,498 --> 00:50:34,949 the effects of the initial events still lingered 952 00:50:34,983 --> 00:50:36,985 with some of the original witnesses. 953 00:50:37,019 --> 00:50:40,057 Marcella Bennett and Linda Scarberry were among those 954 00:50:40,092 --> 00:50:41,920 who saw the Mothman for themselves 955 00:50:41,956 --> 00:50:45,994 during the 1966-67 wave of sightings. 956 00:50:46,028 --> 00:50:48,652 As time went on, their recollections of who 957 00:50:48,686 --> 00:50:50,722 or what the Mothman might have been 958 00:50:50,757 --> 00:50:53,208 couldn't have been further apart. 959 00:50:54,141 --> 00:50:55,969 Marcella Bennett encountered theMothman 960 00:50:56,003 --> 00:50:58,766 outside the home of a friend late one evening. 961 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,733 Her encounter took a turn for the worst 962 00:51:00,768 --> 00:51:02,286 when she dropped her infant daughter 963 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,391 and fell on top of her in terror 964 00:51:04,427 --> 00:51:07,739 as she claimed the Mothmanswooped toward them from above. 965 00:51:08,603 --> 00:51:09,742 Bennett, in later years, 966 00:51:09,777 --> 00:51:12,123 would recall the creature as looking every bit 967 00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,195 like the devil himself. 968 00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:17,025 Meanwhile, Linda Scarberry would recount the being 969 00:51:17,059 --> 00:51:20,097 in a way that painted it in a sympathetic light, 970 00:51:20,132 --> 00:51:23,480 as an entity lost in a place it did not recognize 971 00:51:23,514 --> 00:51:27,552 with no way to communicate or relay a cry for help. 972 00:51:27,588 --> 00:51:29,728 - After Linda Scarberry, 973 00:51:29,762 --> 00:51:31,902 her initial sightings in '66, 974 00:51:31,936 --> 00:51:36,251 you know for years after, she told me and others that, 975 00:51:36,286 --> 00:51:39,081 you know, weird things happened in her house. 976 00:51:39,117 --> 00:51:42,222 She always had this premonitionof somethin' watching her. 977 00:51:42,257 --> 00:51:43,293 In later years, 978 00:51:43,327 --> 00:51:46,054 she lived in the downtown area in an apartment 979 00:51:46,088 --> 00:51:48,574 above just a vacant building orwhatever. 980 00:51:48,608 --> 00:51:49,989 - She said it was winter, 981 00:51:50,023 --> 00:51:53,545 it was like really, really cold, like January. 982 00:51:53,579 --> 00:51:55,581 And she heard a thump 983 00:51:55,615 --> 00:51:57,065 and she had one of those roof lines 984 00:51:57,099 --> 00:52:00,103 like came right up to the window, two story house. 985 00:52:00,137 --> 00:52:02,347 And said she opened up the window and she looked 986 00:52:02,380 --> 00:52:04,038 and it was sittin' there. 987 00:52:04,072 --> 00:52:06,108 And it was cold and it was shivering. 988 00:52:06,143 --> 00:52:09,456 And it had taken its wings and wrapped around itself. 989 00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:13,427 - A few years after that, 990 00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:15,739 I found the newspaper clipping 991 00:52:15,773 --> 00:52:20,192 of a police officer in Charleston, West Virginia, 992 00:52:20,226 --> 00:52:23,608 who took a phone call from someone 993 00:52:23,643 --> 00:52:25,853 who was looking out their window 994 00:52:25,887 --> 00:52:28,096 to the roof facade of their house 995 00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:30,443 and they described it the exactsame way. 996 00:52:30,478 --> 00:52:33,585 And the police officer said, you know, "What is it doing 997 00:52:33,619 --> 00:52:34,413 and where's it at?" 998 00:52:34,447 --> 00:52:35,690 And the person said, 999 00:52:35,724 --> 00:52:38,900 "It's sitting on our roof, justright outside of our window 1000 00:52:38,934 --> 00:52:40,695 and I'm starin' at it." 1001 00:52:44,940 --> 00:52:46,735 - You know, is it possible thatLinda, 1002 00:52:46,769 --> 00:52:48,702 I mean she had a traumatic experience, 1003 00:52:48,737 --> 00:52:51,568 is it possible some of this wasimagined? 1004 00:52:51,603 --> 00:52:55,193 I've spoken to Linda Scarberry, very credible lady, 1005 00:52:55,226 --> 00:52:57,159 and I don't think she made up any of this. 1006 00:52:57,195 --> 00:52:58,610 Even I would have to wonder, 1007 00:52:58,643 --> 00:53:01,164 if I had that original experience 1008 00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:04,235 and then saw it again afterwards, am I really seeing it 1009 00:53:04,271 --> 00:53:06,755 or is it something, a sort of artifact 1010 00:53:06,789 --> 00:53:07,998 of what happened before? 1011 00:53:09,206 --> 00:53:11,242 - I think even up to when she passed away, 1012 00:53:11,277 --> 00:53:13,797 she was always very wary 1013 00:53:15,315 --> 00:53:16,523 of things around her. 1014 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,320 You know, she seemed like she was always on the lookout. 1015 00:53:33,954 --> 00:53:37,717 - I would say I was probably 10, 11 at the time 1016 00:53:37,751 --> 00:53:39,858 and the holler that we lived in, 1017 00:53:39,891 --> 00:53:42,170 like the last street light was probably, 1018 00:53:42,204 --> 00:53:44,827 I'd say 100 feet away from where the house was 1019 00:53:44,862 --> 00:53:46,623 that I saw the Mothman. 1020 00:53:47,659 --> 00:53:50,248 I knew to be home before dark, but I wasn't. 1021 00:53:50,282 --> 00:53:53,284 So when I was pushin' my bike up to the holler, 1022 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,907 the asphalt ended, the gravel started, 1023 00:53:54,942 --> 00:53:56,322 that's where that house was. 1024 00:53:56,356 --> 00:53:58,289 The house was abandoned. 1025 00:53:58,324 --> 00:54:00,606 The guy that lived there, he got killed in the coal mines. 1026 00:54:01,431 --> 00:54:02,581 And I happened to hear a noise 1027 00:54:02,605 --> 00:54:03,858 and I just happened to look over 1028 00:54:03,882 --> 00:54:06,918 and I seen somethin' standing doorway and it had red eyes. 1029 00:54:08,956 --> 00:54:09,922 It was really tall. 1030 00:54:09,956 --> 00:54:11,717 I really remember the eyes, 1031 00:54:11,751 --> 00:54:14,132 like the reddest red you'd eversee. 1032 00:54:14,168 --> 00:54:15,963 He was at least seven foot tall. 1033 00:54:18,137 --> 00:54:21,278 So I started cryin' and I felt like I stood there cryin' 1034 00:54:21,313 --> 00:54:24,489 and lookin' at it for like at least 15 minutes. 1035 00:54:24,523 --> 00:54:26,869 And here come my brother's friend, actually, 1036 00:54:26,905 --> 00:54:29,148 out of the holler and he'd seenit, too. 1037 00:54:29,182 --> 00:54:31,737 He picked up a rock, threw it atit 1038 00:54:31,771 --> 00:54:34,291 and it just kind of vanished. 1039 00:54:37,916 --> 00:54:40,159 I would say probably, maybe a year later, 1040 00:54:41,021 --> 00:54:43,369 that me and one of my buddies went in that house 1041 00:54:44,405 --> 00:54:45,485 we went in the basement part 1042 00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:47,097 and there was these weird footprints. 1043 00:54:47,132 --> 00:54:50,030 It looked like they was burnt into the concrete. 1044 00:54:50,065 --> 00:54:52,655 The best I can describe it, they was in a Y shape 1045 00:54:52,688 --> 00:54:56,900 and like, they had blackaround them, like they got hot. 1046 00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:00,697 Yeah, I've thought about it fora lot, 1047 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,322 I never really did go out into the bottom by myself, 1048 00:55:05,356 --> 00:55:07,807 I was always home before dark after that. 1049 00:55:07,842 --> 00:55:09,153 I was scared of that house 1050 00:55:09,188 --> 00:55:11,536 and finally, when they tore it down, I was pretty happy. 1051 00:55:11,570 --> 00:55:13,847 If somebody talks about the Mothman, 1052 00:55:13,882 --> 00:55:15,746 I'll tell my story, you know? 1053 00:55:15,780 --> 00:55:18,646 I always tell everybody, "Hey, I've seen that thing." 1054 00:55:21,648 --> 00:55:26,170 - If the 1980s and '90s were a down time regarding Mothman, 1055 00:55:26,204 --> 00:55:29,449 then the 2000s were to be the creature's come-back tour. 1056 00:55:29,485 --> 00:55:31,934 In the year 2000, Jeff Wamsley 1057 00:55:31,969 --> 00:55:34,938 and fellow Mothman enthusiast, Donnie Sergeant, 1058 00:55:34,972 --> 00:55:38,701 started a website dedicated to tracking the Mothman legend, 1059 00:55:38,735 --> 00:55:40,943 called "Mothman Lives." 1060 00:55:40,978 --> 00:55:43,050 The website served to answer questions 1061 00:55:43,083 --> 00:55:46,121 regarding the initial wave of Mothman sightings 1062 00:55:46,155 --> 00:55:49,918 and was as much about promotingthe town and the TNT Area 1063 00:55:49,952 --> 00:55:51,472 as it was the creature. 1064 00:55:52,438 --> 00:55:54,820 However, the Mothman's popularity 1065 00:55:54,855 --> 00:55:56,788 was just beginning to grow. 1066 00:55:56,822 --> 00:55:59,791 In 2002, a feature film adaptation 1067 00:55:59,824 --> 00:56:02,034 of "The Mothman Prophecies" would see 1068 00:56:02,068 --> 00:56:05,485 a successful theatrical launch in North America. 1069 00:56:05,521 --> 00:56:08,731 While the movie would bolster the title character's stardom, 1070 00:56:08,764 --> 00:56:11,699 it would also serve to enhance ongoing reports 1071 00:56:11,733 --> 00:56:13,182 of its presence. 1072 00:56:13,217 --> 00:56:15,806 - When I read the book, "The Mothman Prophecies," 1073 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,293 I immediately knew that it was addressing something 1074 00:56:19,327 --> 00:56:22,572 that had been brewing inside me for a while, which was, 1075 00:56:22,606 --> 00:56:24,471 is there a way to write a movie 1076 00:56:24,505 --> 00:56:27,059 in which someone experiences the paranormal, 1077 00:56:27,094 --> 00:56:31,719 but does not come away solving a mystery or a crime? 1078 00:56:31,753 --> 00:56:35,653 Where they are left as destabilized, to a certain degree, 1079 00:56:35,688 --> 00:56:37,586 as real people are 1080 00:56:37,621 --> 00:56:39,519 when they typically experienced the paranormal. 1081 00:56:39,554 --> 00:56:42,280 The arc of John Keel's experience 1082 00:56:42,315 --> 00:56:45,733 and his trying to make senseof the events in Point Pleasant 1083 00:56:45,768 --> 00:56:48,356 and ultimately not being able to, 1084 00:56:48,391 --> 00:56:52,463 and then having to simply take a step back, 1085 00:56:52,498 --> 00:56:55,052 accept that there are things he's not ever going to be able 1086 00:56:55,086 --> 00:56:56,778 to totally understand, 1087 00:56:56,813 --> 00:56:58,436 and then go on with the rest ofhis life, 1088 00:56:58,469 --> 00:57:00,472 which is essentially what he did. 1089 00:57:00,507 --> 00:57:03,371 - When Keel first found out about the screenplay 1090 00:57:03,405 --> 00:57:06,478 for the film that was actually made, he was actually giddy. 1091 00:57:06,512 --> 00:57:08,273 He had held off for a long time. 1092 00:57:09,791 --> 00:57:13,554 He felt that finally somebody was kind of getting the, 1093 00:57:13,588 --> 00:57:15,762 sort of the underlying ideas orthemes 1094 00:57:15,797 --> 00:57:17,074 of "The Mothman Prophecies." 1095 00:57:17,108 --> 00:57:19,940 - I mean it was not a huge hit when it came out by any means 1096 00:57:19,974 --> 00:57:22,735 and yet I do hear from people who have seen it 1097 00:57:22,769 --> 00:57:25,289 and the ones who saw it 1098 00:57:25,324 --> 00:57:26,324 and 1099 00:57:27,016 --> 00:57:27,878 "liked it," 1100 00:57:27,913 --> 00:57:29,155 They had a reaction to it. 1101 00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:32,608 The reaction, the one I hear most often is, 1102 00:57:32,641 --> 00:57:37,646 "That was so scary and I don't even know why." 1103 00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:40,822 - Following the release of "The Mothman Prophecies," 1104 00:57:40,856 --> 00:57:42,789 Point Pleasant found itself at the center 1105 00:57:42,824 --> 00:57:45,516 of a second wave of Mothman sightings. 1106 00:57:45,552 --> 00:57:46,621 As new encounters 1107 00:57:46,655 --> 00:57:49,521 with Appalachia's infamous legend came to light, 1108 00:57:49,556 --> 00:57:52,523 Jeff Wamsley set aboutdocumenting as much information 1109 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:56,942 about the 1966 and '67 sightings as possible. 1110 00:57:56,976 --> 00:58:00,221 He interviewed witnesses and unraveled long-buried accounts 1111 00:58:00,255 --> 00:58:03,603 for publication in two books he would eventually publish, 1112 00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:06,538 "Mothman, The Facts Behind the Legend," 1113 00:58:06,572 --> 00:58:09,057 and "Behind the Red Eyes." 1114 00:58:09,092 --> 00:58:12,820 He also compiled physical artifacts relating to the Mothman 1115 00:58:12,855 --> 00:58:16,030 and in 2005, he opened his collection to the public 1116 00:58:16,065 --> 00:58:19,309 inside the walls of what would auspiciously become 1117 00:58:19,344 --> 00:58:22,554 the world's only Mothman Museum. 1118 00:58:23,521 --> 00:58:25,730 Meanwhile, the TNT Area itself 1119 00:58:25,764 --> 00:58:28,284 became a hub of activity once again, 1120 00:58:28,318 --> 00:58:29,492 whether through chance 1121 00:58:29,527 --> 00:58:31,701 or due to the new found attention brought on 1122 00:58:31,735 --> 00:58:33,081 by the release of the film. 1123 00:58:34,255 --> 00:58:36,809 In 2001, a paramedic driving 1124 00:58:36,844 --> 00:58:38,880 along the Kanawha River near Leon 1125 00:58:38,914 --> 00:58:40,847 sighted a large winged creature 1126 00:58:40,882 --> 00:58:42,677 following the path of the water. 1127 00:58:44,818 --> 00:58:48,061 Four years later, a structural engineer saw a creature 1128 00:58:48,097 --> 00:58:50,375 he described as having no arms, 1129 00:58:50,409 --> 00:58:52,826 but wings that bent and folded inward 1130 00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:55,862 with a gray skin stretched overthe bone. 1131 00:58:55,898 --> 00:58:57,347 He claimed the creature attempted 1132 00:58:57,382 --> 00:58:59,487 to communicate telepathically with him 1133 00:58:59,521 --> 00:59:03,112 before taking to the sky at a speed he estimated to be 1134 00:59:03,146 --> 00:59:05,320 over 50 miles per hour. 1135 00:59:06,735 --> 00:59:08,806 Hunter Bellamy, a Point Pleasantlocal, 1136 00:59:08,842 --> 00:59:11,016 recalled seeing red eyes in a tree 1137 00:59:11,050 --> 00:59:13,605 as he drove within the TNT Area. 1138 00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,297 Eventually, a shadowy being could be seen 1139 00:59:16,331 --> 00:59:18,576 as it took to the skies. 1140 00:59:18,610 --> 00:59:20,405 Two reports from hunters came in 1141 00:59:20,438 --> 00:59:24,202 during the years of 2009 and 2013. 1142 00:59:24,235 --> 00:59:27,826 They both claimed to have seen a creature in the TNT Area. 1143 00:59:27,860 --> 00:59:30,449 In one case, it was spotted directly behind 1144 00:59:30,483 --> 00:59:32,693 one of the abandoned munitions bunkers. 1145 00:59:33,590 --> 00:59:35,454 As the 2000s ticked by, 1146 00:59:35,489 --> 00:59:38,215 a new element was added to the Mothman lore, 1147 00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:41,840 one that was as rooted in the original 1960 sightings 1148 00:59:41,875 --> 00:59:44,567 as it was in the current activity. 1149 00:59:44,601 --> 00:59:46,500 A piece of the legend that had been added 1150 00:59:46,534 --> 00:59:49,364 by none other than John Keel. 1151 00:59:55,958 --> 00:59:58,512 - There's the idea that Mothman was a harbinger 1152 00:59:58,545 --> 01:00:01,032 and that it culminated 1153 01:00:01,065 --> 01:00:04,449 with the collapse of the SilverBridge in December of '67. 1154 01:00:04,483 --> 01:00:07,693 - Over the years, you know, the Mothman sightings 1155 01:00:07,728 --> 01:00:10,661 and the Mothman activity has brought up the subject of, 1156 01:00:10,697 --> 01:00:12,353 was it a harbinger of doom? 1157 01:00:12,387 --> 01:00:15,978 Was it here to warn people of the Silver Bridge collapse? 1158 01:00:16,012 --> 01:00:17,773 Honestly, a lot of the people, you know, 1159 01:00:17,806 --> 01:00:19,222 when the bridge fell, 1160 01:00:19,257 --> 01:00:21,465 nobody really talked about that a whole lot. 1161 01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:23,744 They were shocked the bridge had collapsed, 1162 01:00:23,778 --> 01:00:26,505 but then, you know, the movies were comin' out, 1163 01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:28,059 John Keel's book 1164 01:00:28,092 --> 01:00:30,405 and different little things were poppin' up sayin', 1165 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,925 hey, you know, every time somethin' bad happens, 1166 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,961 you know, there's a sighting of this creature. 1167 01:00:34,996 --> 01:00:37,827 - The idea that it was a harbinger of doom 1168 01:00:37,862 --> 01:00:39,932 was sort of baked into the book. 1169 01:00:39,967 --> 01:00:44,523 And then as I was adapting it for the movie, 1170 01:00:44,557 --> 01:00:47,422 that also seemed a link I wantedto make, 1171 01:00:47,456 --> 01:00:49,527 that there was, you know, I mean, obviously that 1172 01:00:49,563 --> 01:00:52,393 that sort of gives the story the propulsion that it had, 1173 01:00:52,427 --> 01:00:55,914 the feeling that all of thisstuff was leading to something. 1174 01:00:55,949 --> 01:01:00,780 - Because of circumstantial events that happened, 1175 01:01:00,815 --> 01:01:04,474 Mothman has been kind of labeledas this harbinger of doom. 1176 01:01:04,509 --> 01:01:07,304 You know, he's been allegedly sighted 1177 01:01:07,338 --> 01:01:11,342 before Chernobyl happened and I've heard 9/11, 1178 01:01:12,516 --> 01:01:14,391 you know, and of course that here in Point Pleasant 1179 01:01:14,414 --> 01:01:15,864 before the bridge collapsed. 1180 01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:17,704 - I've talked to some of the original witnesses 1181 01:01:17,728 --> 01:01:20,697 and some of them firmly believe that that's true. 1182 01:01:20,731 --> 01:01:24,804 Some people believe that it created the disaster. 1183 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,117 Others say, no, it just coincided with it. 1184 01:01:27,152 --> 01:01:29,498 - The notion that the Mothman isseen 1185 01:01:29,534 --> 01:01:33,088 at the site of later disasters is something 1186 01:01:33,123 --> 01:01:34,884 that I'm pretty sure I made up. 1187 01:01:34,918 --> 01:01:38,335 But again, because it was part of the original story, 1188 01:01:38,369 --> 01:01:41,027 it felt like let's extrapolate this outward. 1189 01:01:41,063 --> 01:01:43,134 I almost get the feeling that once it was suggested 1190 01:01:43,168 --> 01:01:46,724 in the movie that people had seen the Mothman at Chernobyl, 1191 01:01:46,757 --> 01:01:50,382 I think it became sort of part of urban legend 1192 01:01:50,416 --> 01:01:51,831 because then I began to hear 1193 01:01:51,867 --> 01:01:54,766 that story being reported back to me from other sources. 1194 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,146 - People will compare it to, 1195 01:01:56,181 --> 01:01:59,875 obviously the banshee wailing before someone's about to die 1196 01:01:59,909 --> 01:02:02,255 and there are several traditions like that. 1197 01:02:02,291 --> 01:02:05,501 - The banshees are part of Irishfolklore. 1198 01:02:05,534 --> 01:02:08,780 They're women that appear and scream, weep, 1199 01:02:08,815 --> 01:02:10,023 whenever someone, 1200 01:02:10,056 --> 01:02:14,061 that is part of the familyline that they're connected to, 1201 01:02:14,096 --> 01:02:15,822 is doomed to die. 1202 01:02:15,856 --> 01:02:18,409 It's kind of not the thing that you want to hear. 1203 01:02:18,445 --> 01:02:22,137 - A banshee is an Irish-Scottish death fairy. 1204 01:02:22,172 --> 01:02:24,934 And even though she does not cause a death, 1205 01:02:24,969 --> 01:02:26,797 she will announce the death 1206 01:02:26,833 --> 01:02:29,938 with her high-pitched wailing cries. 1207 01:02:29,974 --> 01:02:32,182 And we've got a banshee in the Parkersburg area 1208 01:02:32,217 --> 01:02:34,115 called the Banshee of Marrtown 1209 01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:36,289 and I consider that folklore ofcourse. 1210 01:02:36,324 --> 01:02:39,568 Something happened, it's been added onto over time, 1211 01:02:39,603 --> 01:02:41,744 but it's interesting that she does have red eyes 1212 01:02:41,778 --> 01:02:44,297 and she is a harbinger of doom, 1213 01:02:44,333 --> 01:02:46,231 they say much like the Mothman. 1214 01:02:48,681 --> 01:02:50,960 - The key to the Mothman's origins may be found 1215 01:02:50,994 --> 01:02:54,032 in the Native American or Scotch-Irish oral traditions 1216 01:02:54,067 --> 01:02:56,206 of those that first inhabited Appalachia. 1217 01:02:57,380 --> 01:02:59,831 Stories of banshees, enormous owls, 1218 01:02:59,865 --> 01:03:03,076 and even the Garuda all have ancient origins. 1219 01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:05,422 Passed from generation to generation, 1220 01:03:05,456 --> 01:03:09,391 these tales bear a startling similarity to one another. 1221 01:03:09,427 --> 01:03:11,324 Their central character arrives, 1222 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,811 carried on the wind by its wings to offer a warning, 1223 01:03:14,846 --> 01:03:18,436 a warning of death, destruction and tragedy. 1224 01:03:18,469 --> 01:03:21,715 Behind the red eyes of a new figure, like the Mothman, 1225 01:03:21,748 --> 01:03:24,268 might lie an ancient secret, 1226 01:03:24,304 --> 01:03:27,134 one which can still be found today, 1227 01:03:27,168 --> 01:03:31,380 though seeking it might be the last thing we should attempt. 1228 01:03:37,523 --> 01:03:39,594 - Well, five years ago, 1229 01:03:39,628 --> 01:03:43,702 my dad was diagnosed with heart disease 1230 01:03:43,737 --> 01:03:44,887 and was goin' through heart failure. 1231 01:03:44,911 --> 01:03:48,672 Then finally, the doctors got him stable. 1232 01:03:48,706 --> 01:03:52,262 It went on and then this year, Father's Day of this year, 1233 01:03:52,297 --> 01:03:54,092 we all went to the mountains. 1234 01:03:54,126 --> 01:03:55,887 The following weekend, he callsme 1235 01:03:55,922 --> 01:04:00,340 and said, "Hey, I've fallin' and I can't get back up." 1236 01:04:00,373 --> 01:04:05,034 So I go to his house and he was unable to feel his legs. 1237 01:04:05,068 --> 01:04:07,485 He spent some time in the hospital. 1238 01:04:07,518 --> 01:04:09,152 He didn't want nothin' else to do with the hospital, 1239 01:04:09,175 --> 01:04:10,521 so we brought him home. 1240 01:04:11,592 --> 01:04:13,594 We had to have two people with him at all times. 1241 01:04:13,628 --> 01:04:17,288 I was there most days and I was actually sleeping 1242 01:04:17,322 --> 01:04:19,530 on the dining room floor on an air mattress 1243 01:04:19,565 --> 01:04:20,911 and my brother was sleeping 1244 01:04:23,672 --> 01:04:26,021 on the couch beside the hospitalbed. 1245 01:04:26,054 --> 01:04:28,713 As a laid on the mattress, I'd dozed off, 1246 01:04:28,746 --> 01:04:31,992 I immediately started feeling like I was dreaming. 1247 01:04:38,447 --> 01:04:42,313 I had a dream that my son was standin' beside my bed. 1248 01:04:42,347 --> 01:04:43,141 - Daddy. 1249 01:04:43,175 --> 01:04:44,280 - There beside the bed 1250 01:04:44,315 --> 01:04:47,144 and I remember in the dream asking him, you know, 1251 01:04:47,179 --> 01:04:49,733 why he was there, who brought him there 1252 01:04:49,768 --> 01:04:50,907 and how'd he get there. 1253 01:04:51,838 --> 01:04:54,083 And I guess I had enough consciousness to know 1254 01:04:54,117 --> 01:04:56,016 he shouldn't be there. 1255 01:04:56,050 --> 01:04:57,259 So I immediately woke up 1256 01:04:59,260 --> 01:05:01,262 and when I did there was this, 1257 01:05:02,228 --> 01:05:05,715 the figure standing beside the bed had long arms, 1258 01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:07,510 skinny, like fingers, skinny arms, 1259 01:05:08,614 --> 01:05:12,170 skinny legs with kind of bulky lookin' feet, 1260 01:05:13,137 --> 01:05:16,588 wings above his shoulders and its face, 1261 01:05:16,623 --> 01:05:21,628 I could see like dark largecircles where its eyes would be. 1262 01:05:22,525 --> 01:05:25,114 I stared at it for probably five seconds or so 1263 01:05:25,148 --> 01:05:26,148 and then it just, 1264 01:05:27,909 --> 01:05:29,543 I don't want to say walk 'cause it didn't walk, 1265 01:05:29,567 --> 01:05:33,364 it glided quickly across the top of my feet 1266 01:05:33,398 --> 01:05:34,503 and into another room. 1267 01:05:36,815 --> 01:05:38,610 I laid there for a second, 1268 01:05:38,644 --> 01:05:41,268 tryin' to figure out what I wasseein'. 1269 01:05:41,302 --> 01:05:43,132 I got up later that morning, 1270 01:05:46,273 --> 01:05:47,411 Dad was doin' pretty good. 1271 01:05:47,447 --> 01:05:49,483 Sat there with him with my brother. 1272 01:05:49,518 --> 01:05:52,762 We got up early on the 14th, 1273 01:05:52,797 --> 01:05:54,385 or about nine o'clock on the 14th, 1274 01:05:54,418 --> 01:05:56,525 hospice called and said they were comin'. 1275 01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:58,320 I said, "Okay, he's not doin' sowell. 1276 01:05:58,353 --> 01:05:59,666 I'll see you in a little bit." 1277 01:05:59,699 --> 01:06:01,737 As soon as I hung up the phone, 1278 01:06:01,771 --> 01:06:04,360 I noticed him gaspin' for air. 1279 01:06:04,394 --> 01:06:07,536 I went in, helped him lay down on his bed, 1280 01:06:07,570 --> 01:06:09,226 held his hand and he passed away. 1281 01:06:10,297 --> 01:06:13,092 So 1282 01:06:13,128 --> 01:06:14,681 That's when I, you know, 1283 01:06:14,715 --> 01:06:18,132 we called everybody and my brothers come over. 1284 01:06:18,166 --> 01:06:19,443 I would draw all this, 1285 01:06:19,478 --> 01:06:22,516 I kept drawin' this figure thatl'd seen. 1286 01:06:22,550 --> 01:06:23,907 I couldn't figure out what it was, you know, 1287 01:06:23,931 --> 01:06:25,047 or I was tryin' to figure out itwas 1288 01:06:25,070 --> 01:06:26,657 and drawin' it was kind of helping me 1289 01:06:26,693 --> 01:06:28,867 trying to figure it out, I guess. 1290 01:06:28,902 --> 01:06:31,215 We're sitting at the table, my brothers and I, 1291 01:06:31,248 --> 01:06:34,597 and I explained to 'em what I saw 1292 01:06:34,632 --> 01:06:36,427 and my middle brother looks at me 1293 01:06:36,460 --> 01:06:39,568 and goes, "Do you remember whatdad told us five years ago? 1294 01:06:39,601 --> 01:06:41,027 You know when he was going through heart failure 1295 01:06:41,052 --> 01:06:42,052 the first time?" 1296 01:06:45,539 --> 01:06:48,853 And it was a dark figure stood in a corner. 1297 01:06:52,788 --> 01:06:55,480 - The Mothman and other strange winged creatures 1298 01:06:55,514 --> 01:06:58,586 are still seen around Appalachiatoday. 1299 01:06:58,621 --> 01:07:01,210 Jeff Wamsley's Mothman Museum continues 1300 01:07:01,244 --> 01:07:04,005 to document the original rash of sightings, 1301 01:07:04,041 --> 01:07:06,974 as well as the more modern day accounts. 1302 01:07:07,009 --> 01:07:09,873 John Keel passed away in 2009, 1303 01:07:09,907 --> 01:07:11,945 but not before he finally made areturn 1304 01:07:11,978 --> 01:07:13,635 to the town of Point Pleasant, 1305 01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:15,603 where he was able to see what had become 1306 01:07:15,637 --> 01:07:18,538 of one of the more prominent pieces of his legacy. 1307 01:07:18,572 --> 01:07:20,333 - I think John Keel was very pleased 1308 01:07:20,367 --> 01:07:21,541 with what Jeff had done. 1309 01:07:21,574 --> 01:07:25,440 He had seen the original incarnation of the museum. 1310 01:07:25,476 --> 01:07:28,271 It's there because of him, because of his efforts. 1311 01:07:28,306 --> 01:07:31,965 Something he did years ago is finally coming to fruition. 1312 01:07:31,998 --> 01:07:34,173 So I think that he was very pleased. 1313 01:07:34,208 --> 01:07:36,900 He warned the people of Point Pleasant early on 1314 01:07:36,934 --> 01:07:40,146 about this idea that this is folklore in the making 1315 01:07:40,179 --> 01:07:42,940 and this little town may not be prepared for it. 1316 01:07:42,976 --> 01:07:45,943 And he gave the warning again when the film came out, 1317 01:07:45,978 --> 01:07:49,050 to just a small town of just several thousand, 1318 01:07:49,085 --> 01:07:53,193 and the film may be bringing a lot more people in droves 1319 01:07:53,228 --> 01:07:54,297 than they're used to. 1320 01:07:56,851 --> 01:07:59,958 - It is a very personal movie tome, 1321 01:07:59,992 --> 01:08:01,235 but what's odd about it 1322 01:08:01,269 --> 01:08:05,757 is that I have never experiencedanything. 1323 01:08:05,791 --> 01:08:07,965 I've never seen a UFO, I've never seen a ghost, 1324 01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:10,521 I've never had a weird phone call, I mean, none of it. 1325 01:08:10,554 --> 01:08:12,211 When I talk about the supernatural, 1326 01:08:12,246 --> 01:08:15,422 I say, "You've got the Mozarts and the Salieris. 1327 01:08:15,456 --> 01:08:17,596 You know, the guys who actually experience it 1328 01:08:17,631 --> 01:08:20,426 and the guys that wish they could, but haven't 1329 01:08:20,462 --> 01:08:22,153 and can only stare at those 1330 01:08:22,188 --> 01:08:25,051 who have seen behind the veil ofreality 1331 01:08:25,087 --> 01:08:26,778 and look upon them with envy." 1332 01:08:26,813 --> 01:08:28,894 And I used to look upon them with envy and I used to think, 1333 01:08:28,917 --> 01:08:31,506 "Wow, as soon as have a few bucks in my pocket, 1334 01:08:31,542 --> 01:08:34,716 I'm gonna give it all, you know, get out of LA, 1335 01:08:34,752 --> 01:08:37,926 go investigate the hauntedhouses and the haunted places," 1336 01:08:37,962 --> 01:08:40,965 and now I don't feel that way anymore at all. 1337 01:08:40,998 --> 01:08:44,934 I say, let the Mozart's deal with their experiences, 1338 01:08:44,969 --> 01:08:47,177 I'm happy to be a Salieri. 1339 01:08:47,212 --> 01:08:50,077 - Like Keel, Jeff Wamsley's research continues 1340 01:08:50,112 --> 01:08:53,079 to keep Point Pleasant on the international stage. 1341 01:08:53,114 --> 01:08:56,153 Thousands attend the Mothman Festival each year, 1342 01:08:56,186 --> 01:08:58,465 making it one of the two best attended events 1343 01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:00,708 in the state of West Virginia. 1344 01:09:00,743 --> 01:09:02,296 The museum, meanwhile, 1345 01:09:02,331 --> 01:09:05,368 continues to grow, attracting scores of people 1346 01:09:05,403 --> 01:09:08,234 to a town they might never have even heard of 1347 01:09:08,268 --> 01:09:10,028 were it not for the Mothman. 1348 01:09:10,926 --> 01:09:13,618 The museum acts as a sort of living story, 1349 01:09:13,653 --> 01:09:16,448 part of a tradition of storytelling come to life 1350 01:09:16,483 --> 01:09:19,796 that is rooted in the cultural heritage of the region. 1351 01:09:19,831 --> 01:09:23,248 A tradition that stretches back far beyond North America 1352 01:09:23,283 --> 01:09:25,354 and helps to highlight today, 1353 01:09:25,389 --> 01:09:29,393 this lone page among the centuries of Appalachian history. 1354 01:09:29,426 --> 01:09:31,842 - What Jeff did was he went back 1355 01:09:31,877 --> 01:09:34,260 and he interviewed some of the original witnesses. 1356 01:09:34,293 --> 01:09:36,814 And the thing is that it had been, at that point in time, 1357 01:09:36,847 --> 01:09:39,988 it had been 35, 40 years after the events 1358 01:09:40,024 --> 01:09:41,542 and he corrected some of the things 1359 01:09:41,577 --> 01:09:44,960 that were not quite right in "The Mothman Prophecies." 1360 01:09:44,993 --> 01:09:47,306 That was so, so valuable. 1361 01:09:49,619 --> 01:09:52,346 Dad's legacy, 1362 01:09:52,381 --> 01:09:55,764 I just, I would say it's gotta be Mothman. 1363 01:09:55,797 --> 01:09:57,972 I mean, it is bigger than that though. 1364 01:09:58,006 --> 01:10:00,631 Whether locals or whatever want to admit it or not, 1365 01:10:00,664 --> 01:10:04,427 Mothman has really reversed a lot of the negative stuff 1366 01:10:04,462 --> 01:10:05,359 of Point Pleasant. 1367 01:10:05,394 --> 01:10:07,637 What I mean is lack of business, 1368 01:10:07,671 --> 01:10:09,949 lack of interest, lack of opportunity. 1369 01:10:11,296 --> 01:10:15,265 It's kind of just blossomed overtime. 1370 01:10:15,301 --> 01:10:17,163 That in itself is major. 1371 01:10:20,167 --> 01:10:24,240 - I'm a grandfather now, so I think, you know, 1372 01:10:24,274 --> 01:10:26,725 if I left a legacy, it would be, 1373 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,176 be motivated, go out and chase your dreams. 1374 01:10:30,212 --> 01:10:32,145 I mean, you know, I've done that all my life 1375 01:10:32,179 --> 01:10:34,940 and some have come true and some you know have not. 1376 01:10:34,975 --> 01:10:38,012 But you know, be creative and be nice to other people. 1377 01:10:38,046 --> 01:10:39,877 That's probably the bottom line is, you know, 1378 01:10:39,911 --> 01:10:41,430 be nice to other people. 1379 01:10:41,465 --> 01:10:43,363 I learned that from my parents though. 1380 01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:47,021 Well, my daughter, Ashley, you know, 1381 01:10:47,055 --> 01:10:50,024 from a young age was brought up a lot differently probably 1382 01:10:50,059 --> 01:10:51,198 than most kids. 1383 01:10:51,233 --> 01:10:52,485 I always tell her, I'll say, youknow, 1384 01:10:52,510 --> 01:10:55,547 "I'm retirin' here in a year, you can have all this 1385 01:10:55,582 --> 01:10:57,618 and take care of all the museum 1386 01:10:57,653 --> 01:11:00,069 and the festival and all that,"you know. 1387 01:11:06,454 --> 01:11:10,976 - It's very important to hold onto these old tales, legends. 1388 01:11:11,011 --> 01:11:15,809 I think Mothman has kinda movedinto the area of folklore, 1389 01:11:15,844 --> 01:11:19,225 where people are continuing to add to the story. 1390 01:11:19,261 --> 01:11:23,300 The folktales tell us who we are. 1391 01:11:23,333 --> 01:11:26,095 It helps us remember who we are. 1392 01:11:26,130 --> 01:11:28,960 It helps us remember those Celtic roots, 1393 01:11:28,994 --> 01:11:34,000 those Native American roots, so we know who we are. 1394 01:11:34,033 --> 01:11:36,864 And really, that's an importantthing for every person 1395 01:11:36,899 --> 01:11:40,765 is to know who you are, to know what your talents are. 1396 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,007 That's very important 1397 01:11:42,042 --> 01:11:45,908 and I think it's a good reason to remember these stories. 1398 01:11:54,537 --> 01:11:56,539 - Fear is a funny thing. 1399 01:11:56,573 --> 01:11:59,715 In the end, it's part of our life. 1400 01:11:59,750 --> 01:12:02,717 You can't outrun it or hide fromit. 1401 01:12:02,752 --> 01:12:07,033 All we can do is name it, embrace it and learn from it. 1402 01:12:08,206 --> 01:12:11,037 Maybe the true power of an event isn't fully realized 1403 01:12:11,070 --> 01:12:12,865 until it's retold. 1404 01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:15,938 Until we can put into words our own experiences 1405 01:12:15,972 --> 01:12:17,354 and share them with others. 1406 01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:22,600 What we share might be laughteror tears, joy or sorrow. 1407 01:12:23,636 --> 01:12:25,292 Occasionally though, 1408 01:12:25,327 --> 01:12:30,194 it's something more, something primal and ageless. 1409 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,960 Sometimes what we share is nothing more than our fear, 1410 01:12:39,029 --> 01:12:42,344 but at least for a moment, we are together 1411 01:12:43,759 --> 01:12:45,104 in the dark. 113308

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