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(mysterious music)
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(beep)
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- After Dale is arrested,
we're gonna need you to testify
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about the meetings between him and you.
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- Testify?
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I can't testify.
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In open court?
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- We'll de-register you as informer 3838.
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- No, no, no.
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- And we'll refer to
you only as witness F.
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- They'll figure it out.
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When they hear what witness F says,
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everyone will know it's me.
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- Even if they do, no one's gonna care.
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You're turning on a cop.
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- I won't testify at the committal.
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I'm not doing it.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Nicola Voiceover] I
promise you, on my life,
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I am not and would not work
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for the jacks, you know that.
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- Talk.
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(gun shots)
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(dramatic music)
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- One.
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Two.
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Three.
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- [Carl] Talk.
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(dramatic music)
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- Are you gonna to do it?
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- If you make me give evidence,
when people find out it's me
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all my cases will come under scrutiny.
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Dozens of crims-
- Nicola.
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- Carl Williams will go free.
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You'll be gone and I'll be
dead, a bullet in my head.
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- We'll protect you.
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- Yeah, just like you're
protected the Hodson's?
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- So are you gonna do it?
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(upbeat music)
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- [Nicola Voiceover] Tony Mokbel was found
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hiding out in Greece.
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The Victorian police had put
up a million dollar bounty
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for information leading to his arrest.
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Tony was finally arrested
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by the Greek police in Athens in 2007.
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In 2008, they put him on a taxpayer funded
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Gulf stream jet back to
Melbourne to face the music.
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- [News Reporter] After an
exhaustive joint operation
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by federal and Victorian Police,
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despite his attempt to thwart
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extradition back to Australia,
Mr. Mokbel is due to appear
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before the Melbourne
courts in the coming weeks.
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(knock on door)
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(mysterious music)
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(knock on door)
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- Hello?
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Hello.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Nicola Voiceover] I'd like to say
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you get used to this type of thing.
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(phone rings)
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- Detective Reichert.
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- Susan, it's Nicola.
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- [Nicola Voiceover] You don't.
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- So Dale's committal hearing
is set for early next year
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before that we'll need relevant statements
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for their hand out brief.
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So if we could do that tonight.
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- Witness F will be outed, golly gee.
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- Yeah, it's possible.
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And if that occurs, we think that you
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should enter witness protection.
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- Look at me.
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Have you ever met someone more unsuited?
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Wit sec is for people who blend in.
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I don't blend in.
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No matter where you stash
me, I'll be recognized.
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No, I'm staying put.
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- Well,
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that's your choice.
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But I would keep as low
profile as possible.
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- How?
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Tony Mokbel's back, he wants
me to represent him again.
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- You can't.
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Tell him you have a conflict of interest.
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- A conflict of interest?
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You don't say no to Tony Mokbel.
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- Well, you better figure out a way.
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(dramatic music)
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(upbeat music)
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- There she is.
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You look like shit.
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- Thanks.
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Coming from you, that's...
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- What?
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- I saw the wiggy war in Greece.
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Front page photo, mate.
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Did you get a blind
person to buy it for you?
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- That was the jacks.
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They put it on sideways.
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Well, but for a long
time, it was my disguise.
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- It was something.
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- Did you come here to insult me or what?
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- No.
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I'm enjoying this.
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- Yeah, me too.
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Good to see you, Nic.
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(dramatic music)
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- I can't represent you anymore, Tony.
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- What do you mean?
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- Just with
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everything.
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Cops already think I tipped you off
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when you jumped bail and went off ways.
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- But you didn't.
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And they've got no proof, so fuck them.
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- Yeah, but...
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Well, there are just too many
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conflicts of interest
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- What's going on,
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Nic?
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- Nothing.
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- So you think you can just do this,
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just
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walk away?
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- Yeah, I gotta.
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I do.
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- So you don't to think
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I kept records,
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tapes
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of you and certain people in
compromising fucking positions,
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tapes of you fucking
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certain people in compromising
positions, Nicola?
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- Go on,
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try the tapes,
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probably get me more work.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Nicola Voiceover] And that
was the last time I saw Tony.
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He's been locked away ever since.
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After all, he didn't
have me representing him.
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Meanwhile, the Hodson
murders remained unsolved.
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- Task force Petra will
take over the investigation
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into the murders of Terrence
and Christine Hodson.
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I, personally will be on
the steering committee.
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We will not rest until the
killers are brought to justice.
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(news reporters chatter)
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- [Nicola Voiceover] So
the police were on my case.
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- Miss,
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let's get straight into it.
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Let's not muck around.
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How would you describe your relationship
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with Terry and Christine Hodson?
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- I advised Terry after
the Oakley burglary.
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- Up until his murder?
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- Yeah, I had to start
repping him after that.
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Look, I liked Terry and Christine.
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They were good people.
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- Were you aware that Terry
was a police informer?
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- Yes.
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- Did you have any discussions
with people about that?
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- Well, I wouldn't say
I've gone out of my way
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to ring people and tell them.
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- If someone asked?
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- If someone asked I might've
said something maybe.
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- To who?
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Who did you just speak to?
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- I don't know.
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I can't remember.
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It's not a criminal offense
for me to discuss it.
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- I'm just trying to establish who knew
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that Terry was informing and how.
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- Are you implying something, Detective?
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- We believe that a hired
killer did Terry and Christine.
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And we're just trying to find
out who hired the shooter,
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who had a motive.
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- So who knew Terry was a snitch?
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- Yes.
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- Well, then have you
considered that a division
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of your police force misplacing
Terry's informal file
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may have tipped a few people?
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- Right now, we're more interested
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in the company you keep, Ms. Gobbo.
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- The company I keep?
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- Criminals
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- [Nicola Voiceover] But
I wasn't the only one.
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The police kept trying
to pin it on Paul Dale.
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I almost felt sorry for him.
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- And how is it that you
own a mechanic business
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in Wangaratta and a large house on-
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- I saved,
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that's how.
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- If you look at my finances,
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I'm sure you already have,
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there's nothing dodgy there.
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- In 2004, you used a
burner phone registered
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under the name Darren Johnson
to contact Nicola Gobbo.
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- Did she tell you that?
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- Well,
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you contacted her over 150 times.
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Is that to organize meetings
between you and Carl Williams?
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- I never met with Carl Williams,
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not like he said.
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- Then why so many calls to Ms. Gobbo?
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- I used phones purchased under
a false name to contact her
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because we were having an affair.
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- You were having a sexual
relationship with Ms. Gobbo?
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- I wouldn't call it a relationship,
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it was more like a one night stand.
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And I used a burner phone
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because
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I didn't want my wife to find out.
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- Well, she denies any
sexual relationship with you.
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- You believe her?
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(instrumental music)
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- Thank you,
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detective.
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- Go fuck yourself.
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- Do you think we're moving too fast?
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Dale doesn't look like
he's about to crack.
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We only have three witnesses that put
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Dale close to the Hodson murders.
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- They're all criminals.
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And the main one is Carl Williams.
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(dramatic music)
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Nicola Gobbo,
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she puts Dale close.
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She's the key.
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- Yeah.
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(instrumental music)
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- Hey.
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You don't look so good.
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- People keep saying that.
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At least they're telling the truth of it.
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How are you doing in here?
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- Prison is a barrel of fun.
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I could tell you stories
about the times in here.
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You know how much I love a good story
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but
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I don't much feel like it.
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- You're angry at me, Juicy?
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- Why would I be angry?
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- I was
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forced
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into it.
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The cops made me turn on you.
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- Did you send me to prison
so that I'd hate you?
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Were you that scared?
- Juicy.
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- Why did you tell them about the van?
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- I was trying to help you.
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- You got me fucking arrested.
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- I got you an 18 month sentence.
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- I'm not some client you do deals for.
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It was me, Nic.
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Me.
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- Tudge is doing 15 years.
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You were gonna get caught.
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Get the same as him.
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I got you out.
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- It was my life!
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I make those calls, not you!
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(melancholic music)
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Guard, get me out of here.
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(melancholic music)
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- Nicola, it has been so long.
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- That's my fault.
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- No, no, no, don't touch.
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Don't touch, please, I'm sick.
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Kids, you know what they
should really be called?
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Little germ bags.
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Thank God, it's such a relief leaving them
272
00:14:29,363 --> 00:14:31,623
with the nanny for a couple of hours.
273
00:14:31,723 --> 00:14:33,263
- How many kids do you have now?
274
00:14:33,363 --> 00:14:34,223
- Three.
275
00:14:34,323 --> 00:14:35,063
You remember that.
276
00:14:35,163 --> 00:14:36,623
- Yeah, of course, I remember.
277
00:14:36,723 --> 00:14:38,583
Just so much going on.
278
00:14:38,683 --> 00:14:40,683
I thought I might've missed one.
279
00:14:43,282 --> 00:14:45,722
- It's nice to see you out of
the house for a change, Nic.
280
00:14:54,642 --> 00:14:56,582
Is everything okay?
281
00:14:56,682 --> 00:14:58,822
- Yeah, great.
282
00:14:58,921 --> 00:15:00,181
- Are you in trouble?
283
00:15:00,281 --> 00:15:02,281
- When haven't I been?
284
00:15:07,041 --> 00:15:09,381
You were right, Emma.
285
00:15:09,481 --> 00:15:11,461
I am addicted to it,
286
00:15:11,561 --> 00:15:13,561
the life.
287
00:15:14,321 --> 00:15:16,321
- Oh, sweetheart.
288
00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,000
- [Nicola Voiceover]
After all these complaints
289
00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,940
about me being an informer,
it was sort of ironic
290
00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,820
when the chicks came home
to roost for Carl Williams.
291
00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,020
- What's the matter?
292
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,540
- Nothing.
293
00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,960
- You're looking at me like
I've got a turd on my head.
294
00:15:32,479 --> 00:15:34,479
Do I have a turd on my head?
295
00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,179
Do I have a turd on my head?
296
00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:42,019
- No.
297
00:15:42,119 --> 00:15:43,739
No, there's no turd, mate.
298
00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:45,839
- Then what's the matter?
299
00:15:47,359 --> 00:15:49,259
- Rumors, mate.
300
00:15:49,358 --> 00:15:51,358
- What rumors?
301
00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:53,718
- Word is, you talked.
302
00:15:54,078 --> 00:15:55,138
- You know I stick fat.
303
00:15:55,238 --> 00:15:57,058
- Yeah, we know Carl,
but just people have-
304
00:15:57,158 --> 00:15:59,418
- You think after all
this time I'd turn dog?
305
00:15:59,518 --> 00:16:00,658
- You're looking at 35 years.
306
00:16:00,758 --> 00:16:01,658
- Fuck you.
307
00:16:01,758 --> 00:16:02,618
- I'm just saying-
308
00:16:02,718 --> 00:16:03,898
- We've been mates 15 years.
309
00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:04,857
- I know, but it-
310
00:16:04,957 --> 00:16:06,957
- Don't say it again!
311
00:16:07,757 --> 00:16:10,517
(dramatic music)
312
00:16:15,557 --> 00:16:17,917
- You think the same, matey,
you think I'm talking?
313
00:16:18,877 --> 00:16:21,457
Look, I've been making some shit up,
314
00:16:21,556 --> 00:16:23,836
stringing the jacks
along, getting some perks.
315
00:16:25,116 --> 00:16:26,976
Don't be like every other
brain dead maggot in here
316
00:16:27,076 --> 00:16:29,076
and believe jack rumors.
317
00:16:29,596 --> 00:16:31,056
I chose to be in this unit with you
318
00:16:31,156 --> 00:16:33,156
blokes because we're mates.
319
00:16:35,516 --> 00:16:37,016
You know me,
320
00:16:37,115 --> 00:16:38,615
I'm no dog.
321
00:16:38,715 --> 00:16:41,935
(dramatic music)
322
00:16:42,035 --> 00:16:44,035
You know that, right?
323
00:16:45,395 --> 00:16:49,775
- Yeah.
324
00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:51,875
- Right, matey?
325
00:16:54,474 --> 00:16:56,054
- Yeah, Carl.
326
00:16:56,154 --> 00:16:58,154
We're all good.
327
00:17:01,954 --> 00:17:04,914
- And you bring me the next
fucking prick who calls me dog.
328
00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:15,073
- [Nicola Voiceover] For the moment,
329
00:17:15,153 --> 00:17:17,273
Carl convinced them he was staunch.
330
00:17:23,353 --> 00:17:26,573
But right about then his
old mate, Rod Collins
331
00:17:26,672 --> 00:17:29,312
was convicted for two
murders he did 20 years ago.
332
00:17:35,712 --> 00:17:37,732
He killed a crim and his wife.
333
00:17:37,832 --> 00:17:40,212
Cops figured these past
murders put Collins
334
00:17:40,312 --> 00:17:42,312
in the frame for the Hodson's.
335
00:17:45,031 --> 00:17:47,031
- It's the Abby's
336
00:17:47,991 --> 00:17:49,651
and the Hodson's,
337
00:17:49,751 --> 00:17:53,531
both execution style
with collateral damage,
338
00:17:53,631 --> 00:17:55,631
same memo as the Hodson murders.
339
00:17:57,310 --> 00:18:00,390
- What, 'cause there's a bloke and a chic?
340
00:18:01,230 --> 00:18:03,990
It's the only similarities I see.
341
00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:05,690
So the fuck what?
342
00:18:05,790 --> 00:18:08,510
- So the fuck you're in
here for 32 years, Rod.
343
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:11,530
You're 53.
344
00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:14,090
Do you wanna get out of here alive?
345
00:18:14,189 --> 00:18:16,089
Carl Williams gave us a statement saying
346
00:18:16,189 --> 00:18:18,189
that you did some work for him.
347
00:18:18,589 --> 00:18:20,589
- What kind of work?
348
00:18:21,229 --> 00:18:22,089
- Why don't you tell us?
349
00:18:22,189 --> 00:18:24,229
- I think you mean around the house work,
350
00:18:25,789 --> 00:18:27,689
did some gardening,
351
00:18:27,789 --> 00:18:29,369
washed his windows,
352
00:18:29,468 --> 00:18:32,548
hung his drapes, yeah? (laughs)
353
00:18:33,908 --> 00:18:35,488
Housework.
354
00:18:35,588 --> 00:18:37,688
- Are you finished, playing around?
355
00:18:37,788 --> 00:18:39,048
- I'm playing around, am I?
356
00:18:39,148 --> 00:18:43,408
How do I really know that you
got a statement from Carl?
357
00:18:43,508 --> 00:18:44,408
- Well, he's in here.
358
00:18:44,508 --> 00:18:47,088
Why don't you talk to him yourself?
359
00:18:47,187 --> 00:18:48,247
If you'd back up his statement,
360
00:18:48,347 --> 00:18:50,407
maybe I can give you a future.
361
00:18:50,507 --> 00:18:52,247
- You want a bit of the
Hodson reward money?
362
00:18:52,347 --> 00:18:54,807
- Well, if your
information is on the mark,
363
00:18:54,907 --> 00:18:56,367
I don't see why you can't split it.
364
00:18:56,467 --> 00:18:58,487
- Split it, huh?
365
00:18:58,587 --> 00:19:00,047
Me and Carl,
366
00:19:00,147 --> 00:19:01,847
halfsies.
367
00:19:01,946 --> 00:19:03,246
I don't think.
368
00:19:03,346 --> 00:19:05,846
I hear the cop you had
for the Hudson murders
369
00:19:05,946 --> 00:19:07,946
has a really good alibi.
370
00:19:08,906 --> 00:19:10,606
Aren't you're worried about that?
371
00:19:10,706 --> 00:19:13,726
Or maybe haven't you
ever thought like I do?
372
00:19:13,826 --> 00:19:15,486
That when someone has a really good alibi
373
00:19:15,586 --> 00:19:17,526
that just, just maybe
374
00:19:17,626 --> 00:19:19,866
they got something to hide.
375
00:19:23,025 --> 00:19:25,525
- [Nicola Voiceover] So Rod
points the finger at Paul Dale
376
00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:27,885
and the cops took the
psychopath at his word.
377
00:19:27,985 --> 00:19:30,545
(upbeat music)
378
00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:37,424
- Let's go.
379
00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:41,964
Hello Dale, we're here to arrest you
380
00:19:42,064 --> 00:19:43,884
for the murders of Terry
and Christine Hodson.
381
00:19:43,984 --> 00:19:46,484
- There's no need to handcuff
me, I'm not gonna run.
382
00:19:46,584 --> 00:19:48,584
- Yeah, all right.
383
00:19:51,503 --> 00:19:53,203
- Geez, who do you think I am, Ned Kelly?
384
00:19:53,303 --> 00:19:54,683
- Do you have anything to say, Paul?
385
00:19:54,783 --> 00:19:55,963
- Yes. I'm innocent.
386
00:19:56,063 --> 00:19:57,043
I want to get that bit for once.
387
00:19:57,143 --> 00:19:58,003
I'm being framed.
388
00:19:58,103 --> 00:20:00,103
Print that for once.
389
00:20:01,143 --> 00:20:02,523
It's fine (talk over each other)
390
00:20:02,623 --> 00:20:05,523
This is all gonna be over.
391
00:20:05,623 --> 00:20:07,623
Get your hands for once.
392
00:20:08,742 --> 00:20:10,682
Go back inside this.
393
00:20:10,782 --> 00:20:12,782
Fuck.
394
00:20:18,222 --> 00:20:20,222
Fuck.
395
00:20:30,181 --> 00:20:31,061
Mate, you're gonna have to pull over.
396
00:20:31,141 --> 00:20:33,141
I've got to take a leak.
397
00:20:33,661 --> 00:20:34,921
- [Driver] You will when
we get to Melbourne.
398
00:20:35,021 --> 00:20:37,021
- But that's three hours away.
399
00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:40,360
I'm not joking, mate, I'm bursting.
400
00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:42,680
I'm not gonna be able to
hang onto it that long.
401
00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:45,060
- [Driver] We're stopping
in Melbourne, mate.
402
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:55,280
Are you pissing on the floor?
403
00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:56,799
- Yeah.
404
00:20:56,899 --> 00:20:58,279
- You'll be cleaning it
up when we get there.
405
00:20:58,379 --> 00:21:00,379
- You reckon?
406
00:21:15,458 --> 00:21:16,638
(dramatic music)
407
00:21:16,738 --> 00:21:19,558
- If you plead guilty,
you'll get consideration
408
00:21:19,658 --> 00:21:20,958
and possibly a lighter sentence.
409
00:21:21,058 --> 00:21:24,138
- I'm not pleading guilty to
something that I didn't do.
410
00:21:26,138 --> 00:21:28,138
They got me in solitary confinement,
411
00:21:29,417 --> 00:21:31,717
had me locked up next to
fucking Muslim terrorists.
412
00:21:31,817 --> 00:21:32,557
- Paul.
413
00:21:32,657 --> 00:21:33,517
- Why would I kill the Hodson's
414
00:21:33,617 --> 00:21:34,817
if I had nothing to do
with the Oakley robbery.
415
00:21:34,897 --> 00:21:37,017
It just, it doesn't make sense.
416
00:21:38,617 --> 00:21:39,557
- But we have statements.
417
00:21:39,657 --> 00:21:40,677
- Yeah, but from who?
418
00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:42,777
From fucking Carl Williams.
419
00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:44,837
He's lying.
420
00:21:44,936 --> 00:21:46,236
He's looking at 35 years.
421
00:21:46,336 --> 00:21:48,756
He's just saying whatever you wanna hear.
422
00:21:48,856 --> 00:21:51,956
What deal did you give him
to make that statement?
423
00:21:52,056 --> 00:21:52,796
- Paul.
424
00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:56,236
- Has David Miechel ever
implicated me in the robbery?
425
00:21:56,336 --> 00:21:57,276
He's doing in 15 years.
426
00:21:57,376 --> 00:22:00,196
What would he never mention my name once
427
00:22:00,295 --> 00:22:02,295
when he could have cut a deal?
428
00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:03,555
- I'll tell you why?
429
00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:06,315
Because he knows that I had nothing to do
430
00:22:06,415 --> 00:22:08,875
with the robberies or the murder.
431
00:22:08,975 --> 00:22:12,055
(instrumental music)
432
00:22:13,255 --> 00:22:15,725
(phone rings)
433
00:22:17,894 --> 00:22:19,314
- Nicola Gobbo.
434
00:22:19,414 --> 00:22:21,194
- [Simon] Nicola, it's Simon.
435
00:22:21,294 --> 00:22:22,114
We're close to moving forward
436
00:22:22,214 --> 00:22:24,114
and with all that's going on,
437
00:22:24,214 --> 00:22:25,154
we think it's best if you would
438
00:22:25,254 --> 00:22:27,254
reconsider witness protection.
439
00:22:28,574 --> 00:22:30,574
Your safety is our primary concern.
440
00:22:32,493 --> 00:22:33,273
- Simon.
441
00:22:33,373 --> 00:22:34,113
- Nicola.
442
00:22:34,213 --> 00:22:36,033
- I've told you.
443
00:22:36,133 --> 00:22:39,493
- Our assessment is word's
out you're talking to us.
444
00:22:41,173 --> 00:22:42,393
You're now at extreme risk.
445
00:22:42,493 --> 00:22:44,553
- If I go into witness protection.
446
00:22:44,653 --> 00:22:46,713
- Don't sit dog.
447
00:22:46,813 --> 00:22:49,873
- If I go into wit sec,
everyone will know.
448
00:22:49,972 --> 00:22:51,672
No witness, if it's me.
449
00:22:51,772 --> 00:22:53,512
My only way-
- Nicola.
450
00:22:53,612 --> 00:22:57,092
- My only way is to stay in the open,
451
00:22:58,092 --> 00:22:59,672
hide in plain sight.
452
00:22:59,772 --> 00:23:01,432
- Nicola.
- My only shot.
453
00:23:01,532 --> 00:23:03,752
Plausible deniability.
454
00:23:03,852 --> 00:23:05,712
You know what that is, don't you, Simon?
455
00:23:05,811 --> 00:23:08,571
(dramatic music)
456
00:23:50,489 --> 00:23:55,489
- Hey, dog. (gun shot)
457
00:24:08,608 --> 00:24:11,768
(instrumental music)
458
00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:16,527
- [Nicola Voiceover] Amongst it all,
459
00:24:16,607 --> 00:24:18,607
Juicy had served his time.
460
00:24:20,447 --> 00:24:22,447
It was really good to see him.
461
00:24:23,447 --> 00:24:25,067
I mean that.
462
00:24:25,166 --> 00:24:27,366
- What do you wanna say to me?
463
00:24:28,526 --> 00:24:30,066
- Just
464
00:24:30,166 --> 00:24:33,906
after next week, I might
be going away for a while
465
00:24:34,006 --> 00:24:36,006
and
466
00:24:36,726 --> 00:24:38,726
I wanted to apologize.
467
00:24:39,766 --> 00:24:41,766
Make amends.
468
00:24:42,085 --> 00:24:44,725
Bloody steps without being in bloody AA.
469
00:24:49,325 --> 00:24:51,505
They pushed me around,
470
00:24:51,605 --> 00:24:53,425
cops, crims, everyone.
471
00:24:53,525 --> 00:24:56,945
- Nic, no one pushed you around.
472
00:24:57,045 --> 00:24:59,415
You might think I don't, but I know you.
473
00:24:59,524 --> 00:25:01,944
You love making things happen.
474
00:25:02,044 --> 00:25:04,084
Being at the center was always about you.
475
00:25:07,404 --> 00:25:09,404
What I don't understand,
476
00:25:11,524 --> 00:25:13,524
why didn't you give us a chance?
477
00:25:17,203 --> 00:25:19,063
- I like to surround
myself with terrible men,
478
00:25:19,163 --> 00:25:21,623
you know that.
- Give me an answer.
479
00:25:21,723 --> 00:25:24,443
- Did you ever really
think we'd up together?
480
00:25:26,363 --> 00:25:28,683
You settling down, with a dog,
481
00:25:30,602 --> 00:25:31,942
a white fence
482
00:25:32,042 --> 00:25:32,822
and
483
00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:34,922
yoga classes?
484
00:25:36,562 --> 00:25:38,562
- Not with a dog.
485
00:25:39,002 --> 00:25:41,002
- It's not me.
486
00:25:41,402 --> 00:25:42,382
It's not you either.
487
00:25:42,482 --> 00:25:45,542
It's the three daughters with three women.
488
00:25:45,642 --> 00:25:48,642
(melancholic music)
489
00:25:54,041 --> 00:25:56,041
- You got my number.
490
00:25:56,921 --> 00:25:58,921
We should grab a meal sometime.
491
00:26:01,561 --> 00:26:03,561
- I'd like that, Kevin.
492
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,200
(melancholic music)
493
00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:26,179
- [Nicola Voiceover] I was too
scared to fight them anymore.
494
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:28,999
So I finally agreed to
accept police protection.
495
00:26:30,999 --> 00:26:33,419
(upbeat music)
496
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,519
But I didn't settle too well.
497
00:26:36,438 --> 00:26:38,898
I was moved more than a dozen times,
498
00:26:38,998 --> 00:26:41,418
38 flights in 10 months
499
00:26:41,518 --> 00:26:43,978
$76,000 in hotel rooms
500
00:26:44,078 --> 00:26:46,258
$43,000 in allowances.
501
00:26:46,358 --> 00:26:48,178
Until finally,
502
00:26:48,278 --> 00:26:50,298
they settled me in Bali.
503
00:26:50,398 --> 00:26:52,958
(upbeat music)
504
00:26:55,037 --> 00:26:57,737
For 24 hours a day, my
police protection watched me
505
00:26:57,837 --> 00:26:59,837
smash cocktails at the bar.
506
00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,257
- You know who you remind me of?
507
00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:06,357
What's his name from the Muppets?
508
00:27:07,916 --> 00:27:09,296
Beaker.
509
00:27:09,396 --> 00:27:11,396
That's it.
510
00:27:12,356 --> 00:27:13,656
Look it up.
511
00:27:13,756 --> 00:27:15,756
I'm not lying.
512
00:27:18,276 --> 00:27:21,256
You know what I'm gonna
do when all this is over,
513
00:27:21,356 --> 00:27:23,356
when I'm rid of you lot.
514
00:27:25,235 --> 00:27:27,235
I'm gonna to open up a juice bar.
515
00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:31,095
No more grog.
516
00:27:31,195 --> 00:27:32,735
No more laughing.
517
00:27:32,835 --> 00:27:35,135
- Nicola, someone here to see you.
518
00:27:35,235 --> 00:27:36,655
- A visitor.
519
00:27:36,755 --> 00:27:38,575
I'm gonna need my car seat.
520
00:27:38,675 --> 00:27:40,485
Hello, Chikka.
521
00:27:40,594 --> 00:27:42,594
- I'll need to speak with her alone.
522
00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:49,174
Hey.
523
00:27:49,274 --> 00:27:51,274
- Hello.
524
00:27:55,513 --> 00:27:57,633
- I was talking to someone in Melbourne.
525
00:27:59,673 --> 00:28:01,253
- Yeah.
526
00:28:01,353 --> 00:28:03,353
- He told me some things.
527
00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:08,093
He said they're gonna
present you as a witness
528
00:28:08,193 --> 00:28:10,193
at Paul Dale's murder committal.
529
00:28:11,233 --> 00:28:13,233
- That's the plan.
530
00:28:14,352 --> 00:28:16,492
- He said you've been informing
531
00:28:16,592 --> 00:28:20,172
against your own clients, is that true?
532
00:28:20,272 --> 00:28:22,272
- Don't look so shocked.
533
00:28:22,672 --> 00:28:24,672
I crossed that line a long time ago.
534
00:28:26,392 --> 00:28:29,852
You know me, I'm an all or nothing girl.
535
00:28:29,951 --> 00:28:32,331
- Who knows about this?
536
00:28:32,431 --> 00:28:35,031
That you've been informing
against your own clients.
537
00:28:36,791 --> 00:28:38,791
- My handlers.
538
00:28:39,871 --> 00:28:41,871
Simon Overland,
539
00:28:43,631 --> 00:28:45,051
a few others.
540
00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:47,150
That's it.
541
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:52,630
(dramatic music)
542
00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:55,410
- Chikka.
543
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:57,510
- Susan.
544
00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:03,610
Commissioner Overland,
congratulations on your promotion.
545
00:29:03,709 --> 00:29:05,709
- Thank you.
546
00:29:06,069 --> 00:29:07,809
I heard
547
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:09,909
you spoke to Nicola Gobbo.
548
00:29:10,709 --> 00:29:12,709
- Yeah.
549
00:29:13,149 --> 00:29:15,149
- What did she say?
550
00:29:15,549 --> 00:29:17,409
- How can you use Gobbo as a witness,
551
00:29:17,508 --> 00:29:18,968
as an informer in her own case.
552
00:29:19,068 --> 00:29:19,968
She was their lawyer.
553
00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:21,328
- Well, she was never representing them.
554
00:29:21,428 --> 00:29:22,368
She was one of them.
555
00:29:22,468 --> 00:29:24,288
- A lawyer can't snitch
against her clients,
556
00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:26,168
that's as basic as it gets.
557
00:29:26,268 --> 00:29:29,248
Every time we register an
informer, there's a source test.
558
00:29:29,348 --> 00:29:31,088
Will their evidence withstand scrutiny?
559
00:29:31,188 --> 00:29:32,408
Would using it be ethical?
560
00:29:32,507 --> 00:29:33,267
Gobbo doesn't satisfy any of that.
561
00:29:33,347 --> 00:29:35,687
- You want me to use the
greater good argument
562
00:29:35,787 --> 00:29:38,167
or the desperate times,
desperate measures argument.
563
00:29:38,267 --> 00:29:39,047
- Don't patronize me.
564
00:29:39,147 --> 00:29:40,327
- I'm not.
565
00:29:40,427 --> 00:29:42,207
But you must understand that Nicola Gobbo
566
00:29:42,307 --> 00:29:43,887
is the glittering prize.
567
00:29:43,987 --> 00:29:46,287
The insider we've been wanting for years.
568
00:29:46,387 --> 00:29:48,127
- She can bring Dale to trial
569
00:29:48,227 --> 00:29:49,967
and she insists that
she wasn't his lawyer.
570
00:29:50,066 --> 00:29:52,406
- It doesn't matter what Nicola insists.
571
00:29:52,506 --> 00:29:54,926
If Dale thought she was
his lawyer then she was.
572
00:29:55,026 --> 00:29:57,086
You studied law, you know that.
573
00:29:57,186 --> 00:29:59,966
If her testimony is allowed,
it will set a precedent
574
00:30:00,066 --> 00:30:02,966
that Victoria will be stuck with forever.
575
00:30:03,066 --> 00:30:04,246
You think a judge is gonna overlook
576
00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:05,806
200 years of legal privilege?
577
00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:07,045
- (talk over each other) her testimony
578
00:30:07,145 --> 00:30:09,325
will withstand scrutiny and
a judge will see it our way.
579
00:30:09,425 --> 00:30:10,445
Yes, and accept it.
- Oh come on.
580
00:30:10,545 --> 00:30:11,445
- There was a problem.
581
00:30:11,545 --> 00:30:13,525
And I put methods in place to fix it.
582
00:30:13,625 --> 00:30:14,645
And it has been fixed.
583
00:30:14,745 --> 00:30:16,245
- What you're doing goes against
584
00:30:16,345 --> 00:30:17,405
the code of every police-
585
00:30:17,505 --> 00:30:19,285
- They're killing in front of kids.
586
00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:21,715
Killing innocent wives, crims have no -
587
00:30:21,824 --> 00:30:23,924
- We're the fucking police,
588
00:30:24,024 --> 00:30:25,644
we're supposed to be better than them.
589
00:30:25,744 --> 00:30:28,044
And if her informer status comes out,
590
00:30:28,144 --> 00:30:30,944
all the convictions in her
cases will be thrown out.
591
00:30:39,823 --> 00:30:41,483
Can you say
592
00:30:41,583 --> 00:30:43,583
Royal Commission?
593
00:30:44,463 --> 00:30:45,403
- Are you threatening me?
594
00:30:45,503 --> 00:30:47,843
- No, I'm telling you straight up.
595
00:30:47,943 --> 00:30:49,983
- I think you've made your point, Chikka.
596
00:30:58,342 --> 00:30:59,882
- Get Gobbo back to Melbourne.
597
00:30:59,982 --> 00:31:01,982
Bring her back now.
598
00:31:07,862 --> 00:31:10,422
(upbeat music)
599
00:31:15,501 --> 00:31:17,601
- [Reporter] Former drug
squad detective Paul Dale
600
00:31:17,701 --> 00:31:19,921
has been released on
bail ahead of his trial
601
00:31:20,021 --> 00:31:23,001
for the murder of police
informer, Terrence Hodson.
602
00:31:23,101 --> 00:31:24,441
We go live now to the gates
603
00:31:24,541 --> 00:31:26,801
of Barwon prison for this special report.
604
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:27,720
- [Reporter] How does it feel
605
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:29,720
to finally get released on bail?
606
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:31,160
- How do you think it feels?
607
00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:33,320
They kept me in there for seven months.
608
00:31:33,420 --> 00:31:34,600
- What do you plan to do now?
609
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:35,880
- Prove I'm innocent.
610
00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:37,280
You'll see.
611
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:40,600
- [Reporter] Do you have any
last words for Victoria Police?
612
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:44,040
- I would just like to say
Victoria Police lost its way.
613
00:31:44,139 --> 00:31:46,919
When it walked into Barwon
Prison with an open checkbook
614
00:31:47,019 --> 00:31:48,999
and accepted the ravings of
a criminal who is prepared
615
00:31:49,099 --> 00:31:51,599
to say anything for a reduced sentence.
616
00:31:51,699 --> 00:31:52,879
Excuse me.
617
00:31:52,979 --> 00:31:54,159
- [Reporter] So Carl Williams is lying.
618
00:31:54,259 --> 00:31:54,999
- Yeah.
619
00:31:55,099 --> 00:31:57,239
Mate, yes, he's lying.
620
00:31:57,339 --> 00:31:58,479
He made everything up
621
00:31:58,578 --> 00:32:00,578
and I'll prove that at
my committal hearing.
622
00:32:02,778 --> 00:32:04,358
- Don't tell me to calm down.
623
00:32:04,458 --> 00:32:05,198
- Nicola.
624
00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:06,558
- Dale's out.
625
00:32:06,658 --> 00:32:07,678
Why'd you let him out?
626
00:32:07,778 --> 00:32:09,878
- The judge decided
that after seven months,
627
00:32:09,978 --> 00:32:11,438
bail was a suitable option.
628
00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,718
- Fuck me, I'm gonna have another stroke.
629
00:32:13,818 --> 00:32:14,678
- Well, don't do that.
630
00:32:14,777 --> 00:32:16,597
You testify on Monday.
631
00:32:16,697 --> 00:32:18,197
- Get out.
632
00:32:18,297 --> 00:32:20,397
Get the fuck out of my house.
633
00:32:20,497 --> 00:32:22,497
I'll look after myself.
634
00:32:29,177 --> 00:32:29,937
- [Nicola Voiceover] Yes, of course,
635
00:32:30,017 --> 00:32:31,957
I was scared of testifying.
636
00:32:32,056 --> 00:32:34,056
Luckily, I didn't have to.
637
00:32:36,816 --> 00:32:38,816
- Commissioner, you got a minute.
638
00:32:40,016 --> 00:32:42,016
What's she done?
639
00:32:42,456 --> 00:32:44,456
(siren)
640
00:32:45,416 --> 00:32:47,596
- They say it's
stress-related, I wonder why.
641
00:32:47,695 --> 00:32:50,295
- I'm glad to see you're
feeling better now.
642
00:32:51,175 --> 00:32:52,995
- This looks better?
643
00:32:53,095 --> 00:32:56,115
Simon, I think I'm having
a nervous breakdown.
644
00:32:56,215 --> 00:32:58,075
- You're not having a nervous breakdown.
645
00:32:58,175 --> 00:33:00,175
- And I've been doing some thinking,
646
00:33:00,935 --> 00:33:02,985
I can't work as a lawyer anymore.
647
00:33:03,094 --> 00:33:05,334
It's gone, I'm finished.
648
00:33:06,574 --> 00:33:10,334
So I've been thinking
I need some recompense.
649
00:33:11,414 --> 00:33:12,634
- Recompense?
650
00:33:12,734 --> 00:33:14,734
- $20 million.
651
00:33:15,094 --> 00:33:16,394
That should last the rest of my life.
652
00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:18,234
- That's not...
653
00:33:18,334 --> 00:33:19,074
There's no way.
654
00:33:19,173 --> 00:33:20,833
- It's what I want.
655
00:33:20,933 --> 00:33:22,513
20 million.
656
00:33:22,613 --> 00:33:24,093
- [Nicola Voiceover] So the
committal hearing was delayed
657
00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:26,173
while the police figured out what to do.
658
00:33:27,373 --> 00:33:30,513
But no one could have
expected what happened next.
659
00:33:30,613 --> 00:33:31,353
(upbeat music)
660
00:33:31,453 --> 00:33:35,713
♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪
661
00:33:35,812 --> 00:33:39,232
♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪
662
00:33:39,332 --> 00:33:42,812
♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪
663
00:33:45,252 --> 00:33:47,952
- You'll make it the wrong place.
664
00:33:48,052 --> 00:33:50,872
(upbeat music)
665
00:33:50,972 --> 00:33:53,652
♪ Well, come on ♪
666
00:34:14,490 --> 00:34:16,510
- What you doing, matey?
667
00:34:16,610 --> 00:34:18,690
- I'm just airing it out.
668
00:34:25,009 --> 00:34:27,929
(mysterious music)
669
00:34:45,608 --> 00:34:47,588
(upbeat music)
670
00:34:47,688 --> 00:34:52,548
♪ The devil, my conscience and I ♪
671
00:34:52,648 --> 00:34:57,028
♪ Had a discussion about you ♪
672
00:34:57,127 --> 00:35:01,907
♪ My conscience convinced me last night ♪
673
00:35:02,007 --> 00:35:06,787
♪ To turn around and come back to you ♪
674
00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:07,747
♪ The devil said ♪
675
00:35:07,847 --> 00:35:11,027
♪ hey, how do you stick to one girl ♪
676
00:35:11,127 --> 00:35:12,227
♪ Because I love her ♪
677
00:35:12,326 --> 00:35:14,146
- Something terrible has happened.
678
00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:15,506
Carl's dead.
679
00:35:15,606 --> 00:35:16,426
- Carl hit his head.
680
00:35:16,526 --> 00:35:21,526
♪ But there's many other
girls in this whole world ♪
681
00:35:21,886 --> 00:35:24,946
(instrumental music)
682
00:35:25,046 --> 00:35:26,506
- [Nicola Voiceover] How
does the highest profile
683
00:35:26,606 --> 00:35:28,346
prisoner in Victoria get murdered
684
00:35:28,445 --> 00:35:31,465
in the state's most secure facility?
685
00:35:31,565 --> 00:35:32,785
Well,
686
00:35:32,885 --> 00:35:35,025
let's just say it took almost 30 minutes
687
00:35:35,125 --> 00:35:37,125
for the guards to respond.
688
00:35:39,285 --> 00:35:40,345
(instrumental music)
689
00:35:40,445 --> 00:35:43,245
No one ever did time
because of Carl Williams.
690
00:35:45,764 --> 00:35:48,024
Mokbel once dubbed Carl
691
00:35:48,124 --> 00:35:50,124
the truth,
692
00:35:51,364 --> 00:35:53,364
smart ass.
693
00:35:55,724 --> 00:35:57,224
So the committal into Paul Dale
694
00:35:57,324 --> 00:35:59,684
and the killing of the
Hodson's was never held.
695
00:36:02,923 --> 00:36:04,923
Paul got his life back.
696
00:36:08,323 --> 00:36:10,343
As for me,
697
00:36:10,443 --> 00:36:12,443
I had one last thing to do,
698
00:36:15,323 --> 00:36:16,503
lawyer up.
699
00:36:16,603 --> 00:36:19,723
(instrumental music)
700
00:36:29,962 --> 00:36:31,902
- So we are agreed,
701
00:36:32,002 --> 00:36:36,122
$2.9 million as compensation
for loss of future income.
702
00:36:37,961 --> 00:36:39,581
- I was assured that I'd be compensated
703
00:36:39,681 --> 00:36:42,261
for helping Victorian Police,
and be left no worse off.
704
00:36:42,361 --> 00:36:44,141
$2.9 million is a bargain.
705
00:36:44,241 --> 00:36:45,581
- We've all heard your arguments,
706
00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:47,501
Ms. Gobbo and accepted the sum.
707
00:36:47,601 --> 00:36:49,601
There's no need for more grandstanding.
708
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,420
It's in the best interest
of everyone in this room
709
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,660
that the amount paid and your role
710
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,460
as a police informer is never revealed.
711
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,380
Overriding any personal grievances,
712
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,220
the most important concern for all of us
713
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,460
must be that the public
doesn't lose confidence
714
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:08,419
in our police force or
in our judicial system.
715
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:11,079
So would anyone like to
add anything to the record?
716
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:16,099
- Yes, I wish to add something.
717
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:19,119
(mysterious music)
718
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:22,899
When we realized that,
Ms. Gobbo must be called
719
00:37:22,998 --> 00:37:26,018
as a witness, Victoria Police immediately
720
00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,538
stopped using her as an informer.
721
00:37:28,638 --> 00:37:29,618
I want that on the record.
722
00:37:29,718 --> 00:37:30,618
- So noted.
723
00:37:30,718 --> 00:37:33,218
- And I want it noted,
the Victoria Police broke
724
00:37:33,318 --> 00:37:35,598
no laws in using Ms. Gobbo as a source.
725
00:37:37,038 --> 00:37:39,138
The first duty of any officer
726
00:37:39,237 --> 00:37:41,577
is to preserve life and property
727
00:37:41,677 --> 00:37:45,117
that is instilled in us at
the outset of our careers.
728
00:37:46,717 --> 00:37:49,857
I was trying to clean up
the streets of Melbourne.
729
00:37:49,957 --> 00:37:51,857
That was the right thing to do.
730
00:37:51,957 --> 00:37:53,417
It was my job.
731
00:37:53,517 --> 00:37:55,657
And I did it.
732
00:37:55,756 --> 00:37:58,916
And if I may add, no
matter what anyone says,
733
00:37:59,756 --> 00:38:01,736
I was on the side of the angels.
734
00:38:01,836 --> 00:38:04,596
(dramatic music)
735
00:38:06,636 --> 00:38:08,996
- And if I may add for the record,
736
00:38:10,355 --> 00:38:12,615
everything I did was done
out of my sense of duty
737
00:38:12,715 --> 00:38:15,655
to serve justice and not help criminals.
738
00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:19,335
I was motivated by altruism
rather than personal gain.
739
00:38:19,435 --> 00:38:22,055
Anything told to me about
crimes being planned
740
00:38:22,155 --> 00:38:23,815
or committed cannot ever fall under
741
00:38:23,915 --> 00:38:25,935
the protection of legal privilege.
742
00:38:26,035 --> 00:38:27,845
That is just thieves, murderers
743
00:38:27,954 --> 00:38:30,294
and drug dealers complaining.
744
00:38:30,394 --> 00:38:34,174
386 people were arrested because
of information I provided.
745
00:38:34,274 --> 00:38:36,494
And $60 million in assets was recovered
746
00:38:36,594 --> 00:38:38,594
by the state of Victoria.
747
00:38:40,554 --> 00:38:42,734
I too was on the side of the angels.
748
00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:45,753
(mysterious music)
749
00:39:03,992 --> 00:39:05,972
- Do you think that,
750
00:39:06,072 --> 00:39:08,252
that they're both on
the side of the angels?
751
00:39:08,352 --> 00:39:10,092
- It doesn't matter what I think
752
00:39:10,192 --> 00:39:12,012
you've clearly made up your mind.
753
00:39:12,112 --> 00:39:14,112
- Why do you think she did it?
754
00:39:14,991 --> 00:39:17,411
- I think Nicola liked being in control
755
00:39:17,511 --> 00:39:19,651
and it blew up in her face.
756
00:39:19,751 --> 00:39:21,611
- If this comes out,
757
00:39:21,711 --> 00:39:23,011
informer 3838,
758
00:39:23,111 --> 00:39:25,011
their own lawyer working against them.
759
00:39:25,111 --> 00:39:27,171
Can you imagine the shit-storm?
760
00:39:27,271 --> 00:39:30,371
Crims would be jumping up
and down to be set free.
761
00:39:30,471 --> 00:39:32,471
- This will never come out.
762
00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:36,570
♪ Just looking for a protector ♪
763
00:39:36,670 --> 00:39:39,290
♪ God never reached out in time ♪
764
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:42,130
♪ There's love that is a savior ♪
765
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:44,890
♪ But that ain't no love of mine ♪
766
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:48,050
♪ My Love it kills me slowly ♪
767
00:39:48,149 --> 00:39:50,529
♪ Slowly, I could die ♪
768
00:39:50,629 --> 00:39:53,329
♪ And when she sleeps
she hears the blues ♪
769
00:39:53,429 --> 00:39:58,429
♪ Sees shades of black and white ♪
770
00:40:01,069 --> 00:40:03,369
♪ Got to stay cool you hot, hot head ♪
771
00:40:03,468 --> 00:40:06,208
♪ Count to a thousand
before you sleep in bed ♪
772
00:40:06,308 --> 00:40:09,048
♪ Read the news, pass the time ♪
773
00:40:09,148 --> 00:40:11,968
♪ Drink the juice, feeling fine ♪
774
00:40:12,068 --> 00:40:14,648
♪ Got to stay cool you hot, hot head ♪
775
00:40:14,748 --> 00:40:17,368
♪ Count to a thousand
before you sleep in bed ♪
776
00:40:17,468 --> 00:40:20,208
♪ Read the news, pass the time ♪
777
00:40:20,307 --> 00:40:23,767
♪ Drink the juice, feeling fine ♪
778
00:40:23,867 --> 00:40:25,927
♪ At least you're not boring ♪
779
00:40:26,027 --> 00:40:31,027
♪ No one wants to feel you this sad ♪
780
00:40:35,427 --> 00:40:38,247
♪ Just looking for a protector ♪
781
00:40:38,346 --> 00:40:40,766
♪ God never reached out in time ♪
782
00:40:40,866 --> 00:40:43,606
♪ There's love, that is a savior ♪
783
00:40:43,706 --> 00:40:46,286
♪ That ain't no love of mine ♪
784
00:40:46,386 --> 00:40:49,446
♪ My Love it kills me slowly, ♪
785
00:40:49,546 --> 00:40:52,046
♪ Slowly I could die ♪
786
00:40:52,145 --> 00:40:54,805
♪ And when she sleeps
she hears the blues ♪
787
00:40:54,905 --> 00:40:58,985
♪ Sees shades of black and white ♪
788
00:40:59,945 --> 00:41:03,025
(instrumental music)
789
00:41:15,144 --> 00:41:16,764
- Nicola Gobbo.
790
00:41:16,864 --> 00:41:20,024
(instrumental music)
54648
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