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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,177 --> 00:00:13,203 If it please Mr. Chairman and commissioners, 2 00:00:13,246 --> 00:00:15,613 the commission call Michael Dowd. 3 00:00:25,425 --> 00:00:28,054 Please remain standing, Mr. Dowd. 4 00:00:28,094 --> 00:00:29,153 Raise your right hand. 5 00:00:29,195 --> 00:00:31,562 I'd ask the chairman to please administer the oath. 6 00:00:31,598 --> 00:00:33,396 Mr. Dowd, 7 00:00:33,433 --> 00:00:35,698 do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, 8 00:00:35,735 --> 00:00:38,432 and nothing but the truth in the course of your testimony 9 00:00:38,471 --> 00:00:41,066 during these proceedings, so help you God? 10 00:00:41,107 --> 00:00:42,598 - I do. - Thank you, sir. 11 00:00:42,642 --> 00:00:44,304 Would you please be seated? 12 00:00:44,344 --> 00:00:46,438 Mr. Amayo, you may proceed. 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,209 Thank you, Your Honor. 14 00:00:48,248 --> 00:00:50,183 Mr. Dowd, I'd like you to please keep your voice up 15 00:00:50,216 --> 00:00:51,616 and speak into the microphone 16 00:00:51,651 --> 00:00:53,381 so that everyone can hear you. 17 00:00:54,754 --> 00:00:56,347 Were you once a police officer 18 00:00:56,389 --> 00:00:58,381 of the New York City Police Department? 19 00:00:58,425 --> 00:01:00,326 Yes, I was. 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,795 How long were you a police officer? 21 00:01:02,829 --> 00:01:04,730 Ten years and five months. 22 00:01:07,634 --> 00:01:11,071 Mr. Dowd, during those ten years 23 00:01:11,104 --> 00:01:12,504 as a police officer, 24 00:01:12,539 --> 00:01:14,269 did you use your authority 25 00:01:14,307 --> 00:01:16,799 to commit crimes and acts of corruption 26 00:01:16,843 --> 00:01:19,813 in violation of your sworn duty to uphold the law? 27 00:01:19,846 --> 00:01:21,576 Yes, I did. 28 00:01:21,614 --> 00:01:22,809 While you were in uniform 29 00:01:22,849 --> 00:01:25,648 and on duty, did you commit thefts? 30 00:01:25,685 --> 00:01:26,685 Yes. 31 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:28,813 Did you commit extortion? 32 00:01:28,855 --> 00:01:30,187 Yes. 33 00:01:30,223 --> 00:01:32,454 Did you engage in narcotics trafficking? 34 00:01:32,492 --> 00:01:33,492 Yes. 35 00:01:33,526 --> 00:01:35,461 Did you protect drug operations? 36 00:01:35,495 --> 00:01:36,495 Yes. 37 00:01:36,529 --> 00:01:38,327 Did you engage in personal drug use? 38 00:01:38,364 --> 00:01:40,356 Yes. 39 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,392 How many crimes and acts of corruption 40 00:01:42,435 --> 00:01:43,767 do you estimate you committed 41 00:01:43,803 --> 00:01:45,635 as a New York City police officer? 42 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,341 Hundreds. 43 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:09,759 New York is in the grips of a crime wave. 44 00:02:12,465 --> 00:02:14,866 Crack is now sweeping New York. 45 00:02:14,901 --> 00:02:18,497 Justice Department officials now say there is a direct link 46 00:02:18,538 --> 00:02:19,836 between crime and cocaine. 47 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:21,501 Evidence of heavy money 48 00:02:21,541 --> 00:02:23,840 and heavy violent drug traffic is all around. 49 00:02:23,877 --> 00:02:25,505 It was like the heyday of crack. 50 00:02:25,545 --> 00:02:28,379 Every city was having trouble with violence. 51 00:02:28,414 --> 00:02:29,414 Don't move. 52 00:02:29,449 --> 00:02:30,576 New York City at the time was having 53 00:02:30,617 --> 00:02:32,415 3,500 murders a year, 54 00:02:32,452 --> 00:02:35,581 and East New York was the worst part of that. 55 00:02:35,622 --> 00:02:36,622 It was a war zone. 56 00:02:36,623 --> 00:02:37,716 There were empty buildings. 57 00:02:37,757 --> 00:02:38,884 They were just living in them 58 00:02:38,925 --> 00:02:40,621 and running electric from the street pole 59 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:41,660 to the houses. 60 00:02:41,661 --> 00:02:44,153 It looked like Beirut. 61 00:02:44,197 --> 00:02:46,428 East New York at the time was very, very poor, 62 00:02:46,466 --> 00:02:48,435 so you had all of the socioeconomic 63 00:02:48,468 --> 00:02:49,800 contributors to crime, 64 00:02:49,836 --> 00:02:52,271 all of that converging, and it just... 65 00:02:52,305 --> 00:02:56,208 it was a hotbed for crime in New York City. 66 00:02:56,242 --> 00:02:59,178 East New York, Brooklyn, Seven Five Precinct 67 00:02:59,212 --> 00:03:00,646 back in the late '80s 68 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,672 was the deadliest precinct in the country. 69 00:03:14,928 --> 00:03:17,796 The Seven Five Precinct runs North to South 70 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:21,562 from Jamaica Avenue to Starrett City. 71 00:03:21,601 --> 00:03:24,400 Every year, we led the city in homicides. 72 00:03:24,437 --> 00:03:27,464 We led the city in police shootings. 73 00:03:27,507 --> 00:03:31,672 There was a captain that would take a Polaroid photo and say, 74 00:03:31,711 --> 00:03:32,770 "Give this to your wife 75 00:03:32,812 --> 00:03:35,304 so she'll remember who you were." 76 00:03:36,816 --> 00:03:38,307 It was the highest murder rate in the country 77 00:03:38,351 --> 00:03:39,944 in a little five-square-mile precinct. 78 00:03:39,986 --> 00:03:42,353 You had the fucking gangbangers and the drug dealers, 79 00:03:42,388 --> 00:03:44,357 and you could be sitting in the radio car on one corner 80 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:46,359 and hear shots going off 100 yards away behind you. 81 00:03:47,894 --> 00:03:50,329 Who the fuck did I burn to get put here? 82 00:03:50,363 --> 00:03:52,423 It would scare Clint Eastwood. 83 00:03:52,465 --> 00:03:53,465 The radio doesn't stop. 84 00:03:53,499 --> 00:03:56,469 It's one call after another after another after another. 85 00:03:58,338 --> 00:04:02,400 You got a backlog of 200 jobs to answer already. 86 00:04:02,442 --> 00:04:04,001 So you handle one job. 87 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:05,244 Now you're down to 199? 88 00:04:05,278 --> 00:04:06,644 No, the calls are still coming in. 89 00:04:06,679 --> 00:04:11,640 Accident, a dispute, a fire, homicides, robberies, rapes. 90 00:04:11,684 --> 00:04:13,550 You name it. It just doesn't stop. 91 00:04:13,586 --> 00:04:16,750 People on crack with guns, 92 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:18,724 drug dealers with guns, 93 00:04:18,758 --> 00:04:20,624 young kids with guns. 94 00:04:20,660 --> 00:04:21,855 They were violent, man. 95 00:04:21,894 --> 00:04:23,692 Violent, violent, violent. 96 00:04:23,730 --> 00:04:25,323 Welcome to East New York. 97 00:04:25,365 --> 00:04:26,560 Welcome to the land of fuck. 98 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,312 My name's Ken Eurell. 99 00:04:49,355 --> 00:04:52,382 Grew up in Rosedale, Queens. 100 00:04:52,425 --> 00:04:53,654 Irish Catholic. 101 00:04:53,693 --> 00:04:56,754 Catholic school for 12 years. 102 00:04:56,796 --> 00:04:59,527 My mother worked in Manhattan as a bookkeeper, 103 00:04:59,565 --> 00:05:01,363 and my father was a construction worker. 104 00:05:02,702 --> 00:05:04,432 It wasn't a dream to become a cop. 105 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:08,032 I became a cop because I really had no direction in life. 106 00:05:08,074 --> 00:05:11,306 I could have just as easily been a fireman. 107 00:05:11,344 --> 00:05:14,371 But the test that came out first was the police officer test. 108 00:05:14,414 --> 00:05:15,712 So that's the test I took, 109 00:05:15,748 --> 00:05:17,876 and I did well, and I was called right away. 110 00:05:17,917 --> 00:05:19,715 I was called before I was 20 years old. 111 00:05:20,853 --> 00:05:24,051 We got our gun and shield, and I get assigned 112 00:05:24,090 --> 00:05:26,787 to the Seven Five Precinct, East New York. 113 00:05:31,631 --> 00:05:33,623 Before beginning your testimony 114 00:05:33,666 --> 00:05:35,532 about your career as a police officer, Mr. Dowd, 115 00:05:35,568 --> 00:05:37,867 I'd like to ask you a bit about your background. 116 00:05:37,904 --> 00:05:38,904 How old are you? 117 00:05:38,905 --> 00:05:40,874 32. 118 00:05:40,907 --> 00:05:41,966 Are you married? 119 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:43,008 Yes, I am. 120 00:05:43,042 --> 00:05:44,840 How long have you been married? 121 00:05:44,877 --> 00:05:45,936 Eight years. 122 00:05:45,978 --> 00:05:47,708 Do you have children? 123 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:49,579 I have two sons. 124 00:05:49,615 --> 00:05:51,379 Are you from the New York area? 125 00:05:51,417 --> 00:05:52,578 Yes. 126 00:05:52,618 --> 00:05:54,348 Where... what county are you from? 127 00:05:54,387 --> 00:05:55,387 Suffolk County. 128 00:05:56,756 --> 00:05:59,385 Will your family be listening to your testimony here today? 129 00:05:59,425 --> 00:06:00,950 Yes. 130 00:06:03,496 --> 00:06:06,557 When did you enter the, uh, police academy? 131 00:06:06,599 --> 00:06:08,727 January 26, 1982. 132 00:06:10,903 --> 00:06:13,839 Did you receive integrity training at the academy? 133 00:06:15,942 --> 00:06:17,433 Some, yes. 134 00:06:17,477 --> 00:06:20,743 What do you mean by some? 135 00:06:20,780 --> 00:06:23,773 We had visits from Internal Affairs officers. 136 00:06:23,816 --> 00:06:26,615 The life in the academy is... is sort of like going 137 00:06:26,652 --> 00:06:28,678 to a parochial school, if you look back at it. 138 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:32,491 It was a building time, 139 00:06:32,525 --> 00:06:34,517 a time to build a camaraderie 140 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,995 with the... with the guy next to you, the guy... 141 00:06:37,029 --> 00:06:38,964 You know, whatever side of you, 142 00:06:38,998 --> 00:06:41,558 you be... you started to form a bond as a unit. 143 00:06:41,601 --> 00:06:43,433 Did you personally treat it seriously, 144 00:06:43,469 --> 00:06:44,767 the integrity training? 145 00:06:44,804 --> 00:06:46,136 Uh, no. 146 00:06:46,172 --> 00:06:48,664 And based on your conversations with your other recruits, 147 00:06:48,708 --> 00:06:51,769 did they treat it seriously? 148 00:06:51,811 --> 00:06:53,746 No, uh, that's how we all formulated 149 00:06:53,780 --> 00:06:55,544 our own opinions from that. 150 00:06:55,581 --> 00:06:56,981 And based on what you could see, 151 00:06:57,016 --> 00:07:01,044 did the instructors treat it seriously? 152 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:02,988 Not at all. 153 00:07:03,022 --> 00:07:05,423 I recall having Internal Affairs 154 00:07:05,458 --> 00:07:06,824 giving a lesson to the class. 155 00:07:06,859 --> 00:07:09,590 And after the individual left, the... 156 00:07:09,629 --> 00:07:11,996 our academy instructor looked at us and said, 157 00:07:12,031 --> 00:07:15,991 "Now, you can go that way, or you can go this way. 158 00:07:16,869 --> 00:07:18,497 You want to be a successful cop, 159 00:07:18,538 --> 00:07:20,200 you don't go that way." 160 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,499 And this is the academy. 161 00:07:21,541 --> 00:07:23,169 I mean, I didn't even step on the street yet, 162 00:07:23,209 --> 00:07:25,110 and I'm being told, you know, 163 00:07:25,144 --> 00:07:28,137 "Slide in this direction with whatever you got to do. 164 00:07:28,181 --> 00:07:29,706 Cover your ass." 165 00:07:29,749 --> 00:07:31,217 That was the biggest thing you... 166 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:32,942 "Cover your ass so that you don't have to deal 167 00:07:32,985 --> 00:07:33,985 with Internal Affairs." 168 00:07:33,986 --> 00:07:35,648 Mr. Dowd, 169 00:07:35,688 --> 00:07:39,682 in your experiences in your first year, 170 00:07:39,725 --> 00:07:41,091 did you come to learn what it meant 171 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:45,963 for a police officer to be "good"? 172 00:07:45,998 --> 00:07:47,125 Yes. 173 00:07:47,166 --> 00:07:49,465 Could you tell the commissioners and the public 174 00:07:49,502 --> 00:07:51,061 what it means to be good 175 00:07:51,103 --> 00:07:53,937 in the police jargon as you know it? 176 00:07:53,973 --> 00:07:57,603 Well, being good is a cop that would never give up another cop. 177 00:07:57,643 --> 00:08:00,909 A cop that if, uh, he witnesses something go down, 178 00:08:00,947 --> 00:08:03,542 he's... he's 100% behind anything a cop does, 179 00:08:03,583 --> 00:08:05,643 no matter what it is. 180 00:08:05,685 --> 00:08:09,520 We began to form a bond at that early stage. 181 00:08:09,555 --> 00:08:11,217 If you said blue, I said blue. 182 00:08:11,257 --> 00:08:13,226 You know, you said green, it was green. 183 00:08:13,259 --> 00:08:14,259 You know, I don't know. 184 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:16,156 If Johnny says it's green, I saw green. 185 00:08:16,195 --> 00:08:18,494 You don't... you didn't... 186 00:08:18,531 --> 00:08:20,625 You always took the side of the cop that was with you, 187 00:08:20,666 --> 00:08:21,725 'cause he was the only one 188 00:08:21,767 --> 00:08:23,167 that was gonna back you up when you needed help. 189 00:08:26,105 --> 00:08:29,132 Mr. Dowd, at a precinct like the 75th Precinct, 190 00:08:29,175 --> 00:08:33,579 did it become particularly necessary 191 00:08:33,613 --> 00:08:36,173 to forge bonds with other police officers there? 192 00:08:36,215 --> 00:08:38,707 - Yes. - Why was that? 193 00:08:38,751 --> 00:08:39,980 Survival. 194 00:08:46,125 --> 00:08:50,085 Learning the streets is... is a transition process. 195 00:08:50,129 --> 00:08:52,121 And it comes from the other cops too. 196 00:08:52,164 --> 00:08:55,760 You'll learn from them what the street is telling you 197 00:08:55,801 --> 00:08:58,100 that you don't know it's telling you. 198 00:08:58,137 --> 00:09:00,936 Um, you'll learn the walk of someone with a gun. 199 00:09:02,275 --> 00:09:03,834 You'll learn the eye drift of someone 200 00:09:03,876 --> 00:09:05,606 who maybe has drugs on them. 201 00:09:05,645 --> 00:09:07,170 You start to learn body language. 202 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:09,148 But it takes... it's a process, 'cause... 203 00:09:09,181 --> 00:09:11,173 just 'cause someone darts their eyes away from you... 204 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:12,549 you're a rookie cop; you have no idea 205 00:09:12,585 --> 00:09:13,985 why they might be doing it. 206 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:16,319 There comes a point where you have to make a decision 207 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,047 on taking something that you find 208 00:09:18,090 --> 00:09:20,082 or vouchering something that you find. 209 00:09:20,126 --> 00:09:22,686 Units 2514 can transmit on... 210 00:09:22,728 --> 00:09:24,560 In the beginning, as a good rookie cop, 211 00:09:24,597 --> 00:09:25,929 you're gonna voucher what you find, 212 00:09:25,965 --> 00:09:27,991 no matter what... no matter what it is. 213 00:09:28,034 --> 00:09:30,799 And then after probably a year or two and you... 214 00:09:30,836 --> 00:09:32,600 you been driving back and forth to work 215 00:09:32,638 --> 00:09:35,233 for the last, you know, 400, 600 tours of duty 216 00:09:35,274 --> 00:09:38,802 and, you know, you feel a little bit underappreciated, 217 00:09:38,844 --> 00:09:40,574 you feel like no one really cares, 218 00:09:40,613 --> 00:09:42,809 you know, you're really not stemming the flow of crime 219 00:09:42,848 --> 00:09:44,817 like you thought you were gonna... 220 00:09:48,621 --> 00:09:51,716 And all of a sudden, you see an opportunity come along, 221 00:09:51,757 --> 00:09:53,350 and... you know. 222 00:09:55,194 --> 00:09:58,756 Eventually, one day, I was hurting for money, 223 00:09:58,798 --> 00:10:00,232 and I just took a risk, 224 00:10:00,266 --> 00:10:01,996 and I pulled over a motorist 225 00:10:02,034 --> 00:10:04,162 who happened to be an 18-year-old mystery. 226 00:10:04,203 --> 00:10:06,934 Back then, it was called a Puerto Rican mystery. 227 00:10:06,973 --> 00:10:10,910 No license, no registration, no plates, no nothing. 228 00:10:10,943 --> 00:10:14,175 But he had a nice thick stack of $100 bills on him. 229 00:10:14,213 --> 00:10:17,911 And I said to him, uh, "You know, 230 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:19,851 "I like, uh... 231 00:10:19,885 --> 00:10:21,820 "You got about, you know, $1,500 to $2,000 232 00:10:21,854 --> 00:10:23,117 worth of tickets here." 233 00:10:23,155 --> 00:10:26,148 So I suggested that if he bought me a nice lobster lunch, 234 00:10:26,192 --> 00:10:27,922 I could let him go. 235 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,189 And with that, he promptly took 236 00:10:29,228 --> 00:10:30,787 a couple hundred bucks out of his wallet, 237 00:10:30,830 --> 00:10:32,389 left it on the backseat, and pulled out of the car, 238 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:34,294 and I drove away like I was gonna get arrested, 239 00:10:34,333 --> 00:10:36,325 and I didn't, and I won. 240 00:10:43,909 --> 00:10:46,344 When I first went to the precinct, 241 00:10:46,379 --> 00:10:48,075 I hear about this guy, Mike Dowd, 242 00:10:48,114 --> 00:10:51,983 and a group of his friends. 243 00:10:52,018 --> 00:10:53,316 They had a reputation, a reputa... 244 00:10:53,352 --> 00:10:55,218 they were fucking out of control. 245 00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:05,662 I met Mikey D, obviously, in the Seven Five. 246 00:11:05,698 --> 00:11:07,860 Every now and then, we would be paired up. 247 00:11:08,734 --> 00:11:11,135 First time I knew I could trust Mikey was, um, 248 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:15,039 we had handled a walk-in at the precinct. 249 00:11:15,074 --> 00:11:16,406 We take this woman over to her house. 250 00:11:16,442 --> 00:11:18,070 Her husband's there. "He's beating me. 251 00:11:18,110 --> 00:11:19,237 "Can you just get me in the house? 252 00:11:19,278 --> 00:11:20,439 I want to get some clothes." 253 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,114 Chicky and I roll up. 254 00:11:22,148 --> 00:11:24,845 We walk up the fucking staircase... 255 00:11:24,884 --> 00:11:27,319 Man in his 20s... Rastafarian, dreadlocks... 256 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:30,289 answers the door, and he sees us, 257 00:11:30,322 --> 00:11:32,416 and it looks like his world has just ended. 258 00:11:32,458 --> 00:11:34,791 So at this point, we know something's on. 259 00:11:34,827 --> 00:11:37,092 The woman runs in, she grabs a couple of bags of clothes, 260 00:11:37,129 --> 00:11:38,188 whatever, and she runs out. 261 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:39,230 She's gone. 262 00:11:39,231 --> 00:11:40,699 So Mikey grabs the guy. 263 00:11:40,733 --> 00:11:42,099 We get him pinned. 264 00:11:42,134 --> 00:11:43,727 As I got him on the floor in his living room, 265 00:11:43,769 --> 00:11:46,204 there was a bag as big as... as big as the fuck... 266 00:11:46,238 --> 00:11:47,262 It was... 267 00:11:47,306 --> 00:11:50,367 Gigantic bag of fresh marijuana. 268 00:11:50,409 --> 00:11:52,844 A 55-gallon drum. That's the size of this bag. 269 00:11:52,878 --> 00:11:54,938 It was filled with marijuana. 270 00:11:54,980 --> 00:11:55,980 Couldn't even tie the top. 271 00:11:56,015 --> 00:11:58,075 Stalks were sticking out of the top of the bag. 272 00:11:58,117 --> 00:11:59,847 I go, "Chicky, under the fucking couch." 273 00:11:59,885 --> 00:12:01,911 He goes under the couch, pulls out a duffel bag. 274 00:12:02,488 --> 00:12:03,888 I open up the bag. 275 00:12:03,923 --> 00:12:05,915 Thing was loaded with money. 276 00:12:05,958 --> 00:12:07,358 He pulls out two guns. 277 00:12:07,393 --> 00:12:08,452 I go, "What else is in there?" 278 00:12:08,494 --> 00:12:09,494 He goes, "Cash." 279 00:12:09,729 --> 00:12:11,129 He takes the fucking bag, closes it, 280 00:12:11,163 --> 00:12:12,392 and puts it back under the couch, 281 00:12:12,431 --> 00:12:13,490 takes the two guns out. 282 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:14,826 I go, "What are you doing? 283 00:12:14,867 --> 00:12:17,268 Fuck the guns. There's cash in that bag!" 284 00:12:17,303 --> 00:12:18,828 I don't know how much money was in there. 285 00:12:18,871 --> 00:12:22,103 Minimum 20 large... $20,000, $25,000, 286 00:12:22,141 --> 00:12:23,905 around there somewhere. 287 00:12:23,943 --> 00:12:25,809 So I look at Mikey. He looks at me. 288 00:12:25,845 --> 00:12:27,404 And I guess right at that point right there, 289 00:12:27,446 --> 00:12:30,814 I knew I could trust Mikey and I knew he could trust me. 290 00:12:30,850 --> 00:12:32,512 So we peeled off about 8 grand, 291 00:12:32,752 --> 00:12:33,845 whatever we took from him, 292 00:12:33,886 --> 00:12:34,886 left the house. 293 00:12:34,887 --> 00:12:36,856 I think Chicky took the two guns 'cause he's a gun buff. 294 00:12:36,889 --> 00:12:40,758 We told the guy, you know, "This is your lucky day. 295 00:12:40,793 --> 00:12:42,091 You know, you're getting off scot-free." 296 00:12:42,128 --> 00:12:44,757 It was a good score. Yeah, absolutely. 297 00:12:45,865 --> 00:12:48,528 I got two months' worth of paychecks in my pocket, 298 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:49,929 and now I'm thinking... 299 00:12:49,969 --> 00:12:52,200 You know, all kinds of stuff runs through your head. 300 00:12:52,238 --> 00:12:53,831 Is this a plant? 301 00:12:53,873 --> 00:12:56,206 Is, uh... is anybody... did anybody know anything? 302 00:12:56,242 --> 00:12:58,006 Where's the woman? Is this a setup? 303 00:12:58,043 --> 00:13:00,342 All of a sudden she ran out, started to become paranoid. 304 00:13:00,379 --> 00:13:02,177 This is not what cops are supposed to do. 305 00:13:02,214 --> 00:13:03,842 It's fucking with my head a lot. 306 00:13:03,883 --> 00:13:05,818 I was certainly nervous. 307 00:13:05,851 --> 00:13:07,444 But, you know, after a couple hours went by, 308 00:13:07,486 --> 00:13:08,977 I wasn't too worried about it. 309 00:13:09,021 --> 00:13:10,250 "Well, the guy says you took his money." 310 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:13,054 "Well, prove it. 311 00:13:13,092 --> 00:13:14,092 "You got me on video? 312 00:13:14,126 --> 00:13:16,254 "You got me on tape, audio, anything? 313 00:13:16,295 --> 00:13:17,388 "No? 314 00:13:17,429 --> 00:13:20,558 "Well, his word against mine. 315 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,029 And I'm a cop." 316 00:13:23,903 --> 00:13:25,132 Things began to change 317 00:13:25,171 --> 00:13:27,265 when I started to find money and drugs 318 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:29,207 at different locations. 319 00:13:29,241 --> 00:13:31,335 I was in control now. 320 00:13:31,377 --> 00:13:33,869 That gave me the real feeling of being in control. 321 00:13:33,913 --> 00:13:35,973 I'd been throwing this shit out for... for years. 322 00:13:36,015 --> 00:13:38,177 Now it's... now all of a sudden, 323 00:13:38,217 --> 00:13:39,241 it's a moneymaker. 324 00:13:39,285 --> 00:13:40,913 I'm like, "Okay." 325 00:13:41,420 --> 00:13:43,321 A kid had done a stickup on Fulton. 326 00:13:43,355 --> 00:13:45,381 He ran home, hid in his house. 327 00:13:45,424 --> 00:13:47,256 We knocked the door down, went inside. 328 00:13:47,293 --> 00:13:48,886 I knew we were in a coke house. 329 00:13:48,928 --> 00:13:50,954 There's triple-beam scales everywhere. 330 00:13:50,996 --> 00:13:52,362 So I hacksaw this briefcase open, 331 00:13:52,398 --> 00:13:54,299 I stuck my hand, and I ripped out this bag. 332 00:13:54,333 --> 00:13:56,962 A plume of fucking white powder goes flying. 333 00:13:57,002 --> 00:13:59,437 I said, "Ha! Pay dirt!" 334 00:13:59,471 --> 00:14:00,564 Bags. 335 00:14:00,606 --> 00:14:02,165 I'm putting bags in my coat. 336 00:14:04,476 --> 00:14:07,412 At the time, it was $30,000 a kilo for coke. 337 00:14:07,446 --> 00:14:09,312 So we know if had a half or a one, 338 00:14:09,348 --> 00:14:11,840 we were getting $20,000 at least. 339 00:14:11,884 --> 00:14:14,285 And I took the money, bought a condo in Myrtle Beach. 340 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,447 I love to golf, 341 00:14:15,487 --> 00:14:17,149 and I know Myrtle Beach was a golfer's haven 342 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:18,885 and it's on a beach. 343 00:14:30,536 --> 00:14:32,937 13 New York City police officers 344 00:14:32,972 --> 00:14:34,372 have been suspended. 345 00:14:34,406 --> 00:14:37,171 Police are accused of accepting money from drug pushers 346 00:14:37,209 --> 00:14:38,302 and committing burglaries. 347 00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:41,075 It's the worst police scandal in the city in years. 348 00:14:41,113 --> 00:14:42,479 A little crew of cops 349 00:14:42,514 --> 00:14:44,449 were raiding homes 350 00:14:44,483 --> 00:14:48,011 and raiding drug locations. 351 00:14:48,053 --> 00:14:52,388 My brother's a fireman in the Seven Seven Precinct. 352 00:14:52,424 --> 00:14:54,416 And he calls me up, and he says, 353 00:14:54,460 --> 00:14:56,326 "What's going on in the Seven Seven?" 354 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:00,631 "Cops are coming into the firehouse, 355 00:15:00,666 --> 00:15:04,228 and they're borrowing ladders and hatchets." 356 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:06,501 The cops were using the ladders 357 00:15:06,538 --> 00:15:09,633 to go to these locations where they knew the drugs were, 358 00:15:09,675 --> 00:15:13,077 and they were using the axes to break down the doors. 359 00:15:13,112 --> 00:15:15,377 These guys had no finesse whatsoever. 360 00:15:15,414 --> 00:15:17,474 These guys were absolutely berserk. 361 00:15:17,516 --> 00:15:20,042 12 officers had been charged with corruption 362 00:15:20,085 --> 00:15:23,021 in a Brooklyn precinct dubbed The Alamo. 363 00:15:23,055 --> 00:15:25,581 The Seven Seven scandal shook up the whole department. 364 00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:27,650 When that broke, there were 365 00:15:27,693 --> 00:15:31,186 huge rumors on how the next scandal 366 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:32,698 was gonna break in the Seven Five. 367 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:38,337 So all those dirty cops started leaving the department. 368 00:15:38,370 --> 00:15:40,339 People doing crooked shit was afraid 369 00:15:40,372 --> 00:15:41,635 a new scandal was gonna break out. 370 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:44,405 I wind up resigning shortly afterwards 371 00:15:44,443 --> 00:15:46,674 'cause, uh, you know, I had felt the heat was on, 372 00:15:46,712 --> 00:15:48,408 the pressure was on. 373 00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:49,972 And I figured, "Hey, listen, you know what? 374 00:15:50,015 --> 00:15:52,985 If I resign, you know, maybe I could beat this." 375 00:15:53,552 --> 00:15:56,283 Mike Dowd was the only one who gambled. 376 00:15:56,322 --> 00:15:59,690 He bet that the department didn't want another scandal. 377 00:15:59,725 --> 00:16:01,353 The last thing the police department wanted 378 00:16:01,393 --> 00:16:02,622 after the Seven Seven 379 00:16:02,661 --> 00:16:06,189 was the Seven Five to go down in this bust situation as well. 380 00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:13,369 There were not any other cops like Michael Dowd. 381 00:16:13,405 --> 00:16:15,601 He was a criminal. Dowd was a criminal. 382 00:16:15,641 --> 00:16:19,203 Look up, in the dictionary, "I don't give a fuck," 383 00:16:19,244 --> 00:16:21,270 and Mikey Dowd's picture is in there. 384 00:16:21,313 --> 00:16:22,975 Right there. 385 00:16:23,015 --> 00:16:24,244 Michael Dowd was a crook 386 00:16:24,283 --> 00:16:26,149 who ended up wearing a cop's uniform. 387 00:16:26,185 --> 00:16:27,346 You know, I heard the rumors 388 00:16:27,386 --> 00:16:29,218 about Michael, you know, being dirty. 389 00:16:29,254 --> 00:16:31,416 A once-in-a-generation corrupt cop. 390 00:16:31,457 --> 00:16:34,256 No, it... it don't fucking bother me. 391 00:16:34,293 --> 00:16:37,422 The normal person that's doing wrong 392 00:16:37,463 --> 00:16:41,298 is going to have a fear of being caught. 393 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:43,700 That's not Michael Dowd. 394 00:16:43,736 --> 00:16:48,140 Michael Dowd did not have any fear. 395 00:16:48,173 --> 00:16:51,268 I never had a fear about getting busted, 396 00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:55,008 because the cops around me would never give me up. 397 00:17:05,491 --> 00:17:08,222 How busy was the 75th Precinct? 398 00:17:08,260 --> 00:17:10,491 How many radio runs a day 399 00:17:10,529 --> 00:17:12,623 does an average police officer handle? 400 00:17:12,664 --> 00:17:15,657 I averaged about 250 calls a month. 401 00:17:18,103 --> 00:17:21,437 And in a precinct of that nature, 402 00:17:21,473 --> 00:17:22,805 you just mentioned a moment ago 403 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:25,273 that it was particularly necessary to forge bonds 404 00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:27,176 with other cops because of survival. 405 00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:28,212 What do you mean, 406 00:17:28,213 --> 00:17:30,512 that you protect each other on the street? 407 00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:33,348 Yes, very much so. 408 00:17:33,385 --> 00:17:36,116 Do you believe if a cop is not a good cop 409 00:17:36,155 --> 00:17:37,316 in the way you describe it 410 00:17:37,356 --> 00:17:41,521 that his safety in a command like that might be jeopardized? 411 00:17:43,495 --> 00:17:45,657 Yes. 412 00:17:45,697 --> 00:17:47,757 The streets of New York and Brooklyn in particular, 413 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,496 you know, it was like a bloodbath. 414 00:17:53,205 --> 00:17:54,696 I mean, there was 1,000 shootings a year 415 00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:55,833 in my precinct alone, 416 00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:57,475 you know, 100 murders a year. 417 00:18:05,417 --> 00:18:06,817 You want to go home at night. 418 00:18:06,852 --> 00:18:09,822 So part of going home at night is, the guy that's with you... 419 00:18:09,855 --> 00:18:11,847 you got to trust him. 420 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:15,459 1752nd Avenue, 10-4. 421 00:18:15,494 --> 00:18:18,225 About two years working into the Seven Five, 422 00:18:18,263 --> 00:18:20,732 I had an opening in my car. 423 00:18:20,766 --> 00:18:24,635 Kenny was griping that the only one left around 424 00:18:24,670 --> 00:18:26,605 was this Michael Dowd. 425 00:18:28,407 --> 00:18:30,638 He was trying to find himself a partner. 426 00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:33,202 I was on the no-good list, so he wouldn't work with me. 427 00:18:33,245 --> 00:18:34,611 'Cause he had heard all the stories. 428 00:18:35,814 --> 00:18:38,181 I actually went to roll call. 429 00:18:38,217 --> 00:18:39,651 I said, "Stop putting Dowd in the car. 430 00:18:39,685 --> 00:18:41,244 I don't want to work with him." 431 00:18:41,286 --> 00:18:42,845 And it fell on deaf ears. 432 00:18:45,858 --> 00:18:48,293 We start working together. 433 00:18:48,327 --> 00:18:49,454 Before you know it, 434 00:18:49,495 --> 00:18:51,396 we started to get a little bit of comfortability 435 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:52,693 working with one another. 436 00:18:52,731 --> 00:18:55,667 He would take me to Joe's Bodega for some fucking Heinekens. 437 00:18:55,701 --> 00:18:58,762 We make a personal connection about our wives. 438 00:18:58,804 --> 00:19:00,432 We got married at the same time. 439 00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:02,236 We're both around the same age. 440 00:19:02,274 --> 00:19:04,266 We had sons at the same time. 441 00:19:06,411 --> 00:19:08,778 There was a real personal connection there. 442 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,618 You know, I gained his respect 443 00:19:12,651 --> 00:19:14,847 and then... then his trust. 444 00:19:14,887 --> 00:19:16,412 And it came to a point, I says, 445 00:19:16,455 --> 00:19:18,651 "Why don't we make this official?" 446 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:20,215 And at some point, he goes, 447 00:19:20,259 --> 00:19:21,488 "You need a partner; I need a partner. 448 00:19:21,527 --> 00:19:23,189 "You know, we're both good cops. 449 00:19:23,228 --> 00:19:24,753 "You know, we got all this in common. 450 00:19:24,796 --> 00:19:26,162 Let's be partners." 451 00:19:26,198 --> 00:19:28,190 Our future lieutenants. 452 00:19:28,233 --> 00:19:30,168 His friends would come over and say, 453 00:19:30,202 --> 00:19:31,534 "You can't be with him. 454 00:19:31,570 --> 00:19:33,232 This guy's trouble." 455 00:19:33,272 --> 00:19:34,638 He was totally corrupt. 456 00:19:36,775 --> 00:19:39,335 They said to me, "No, don't work with Dowd. 457 00:19:39,378 --> 00:19:40,710 "You're gonna end up in trouble. 458 00:19:40,746 --> 00:19:42,908 Give up the car if you have to." 459 00:19:42,948 --> 00:19:44,507 "It's no joke. 460 00:19:44,550 --> 00:19:45,643 This is a big mistake." 461 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,382 I could see the pain he had to endure 462 00:19:49,421 --> 00:19:51,720 amongst the guys that he was very close with 463 00:19:51,757 --> 00:19:52,952 in order to become my partner. 464 00:19:54,826 --> 00:19:58,228 My response was, "He knows what he's doing out there. 465 00:19:58,263 --> 00:19:59,458 "He can handle himself in the street. 466 00:19:59,498 --> 00:20:00,761 "I don't have to worry about him. 467 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:04,361 "And all I do bad is drink on the job. 468 00:20:04,403 --> 00:20:06,338 How much trouble can I actually get into?" 469 00:20:08,674 --> 00:20:09,937 He stood by me. 470 00:20:09,975 --> 00:20:11,841 Kenny's the type of guy that... 471 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:13,743 if he's got your back, you know he's got your back. 472 00:20:14,813 --> 00:20:17,715 And I really, really admired him. 473 00:20:17,749 --> 00:20:19,615 From that moment forward, it was like a... 474 00:20:19,651 --> 00:20:20,651 a true love affair. 475 00:20:20,686 --> 00:20:24,453 I gave him my heart after that moment. 476 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:35,758 Do you believe if a cop is not a good cop 477 00:20:35,801 --> 00:20:37,292 in the way you describe it 478 00:20:37,336 --> 00:20:40,932 that his safety in a command like that might be jeopardized? 479 00:20:43,308 --> 00:20:44,435 Yes. 480 00:20:44,476 --> 00:20:47,412 In... in what sense? 481 00:20:47,446 --> 00:20:51,907 Well, uh, if a cop isn't good, 482 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:55,478 you might be more slow to react to his, uh, 483 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,490 calls for help and... which are quite a few. 484 00:20:58,523 --> 00:21:01,516 Is that particularly true if a cop is known as a rat 485 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,689 or a complainant or someone who talks to supervisors? 486 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:06,699 Definitely. More so. 487 00:21:06,732 --> 00:21:07,732 Even more so? 488 00:21:07,733 --> 00:21:09,292 More so. 489 00:21:18,543 --> 00:21:20,978 I had been in the Seven Five now, I'd say, 490 00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,778 approximately a year and a half, maybe two years. 491 00:21:25,317 --> 00:21:26,945 At this point, you're learning quick. 492 00:21:26,985 --> 00:21:31,423 You're moving quick. Your mind's adapting. 493 00:21:31,456 --> 00:21:34,790 You still responded as a cop, but if you saw an opportunity, 494 00:21:34,826 --> 00:21:36,886 you took and made money. 495 00:21:36,928 --> 00:21:39,295 So Mike starts talking about money day and night. 496 00:21:39,331 --> 00:21:40,993 "There's money all over this precinct." 497 00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:44,401 How much money could be grabbed and be in our pockets. 498 00:21:45,704 --> 00:21:47,935 "These drug dealers got money. Just look at these people. 499 00:21:47,973 --> 00:21:50,033 "They're rolling in with brand-new Porsches, 500 00:21:50,075 --> 00:21:51,668 brand-new Jaguars." 501 00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:53,804 He's looking for any job to come over, 502 00:21:53,845 --> 00:21:57,338 any situation where he could get me to cross the line. 503 00:21:58,617 --> 00:22:00,882 He needs my full participation 504 00:22:00,919 --> 00:22:02,319 in order for him to make real money. 505 00:22:02,354 --> 00:22:03,354 And I told him, 506 00:22:03,388 --> 00:22:05,084 you know, of some of the scores and how much money we made, 507 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:06,724 which was, you know, considerable amounts 508 00:22:06,758 --> 00:22:09,318 for a policeman who's making $36,000 a year. 509 00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:11,592 I probably made that in scores in the last year. 510 00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:13,826 Give Dad a kiss. 511 00:22:13,865 --> 00:22:16,994 I'm making about $600 and change a week. 512 00:22:17,035 --> 00:22:20,096 I have a mortgage. I have two cars. 513 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,467 My wife's not working at that time. 514 00:22:22,507 --> 00:22:24,408 I'm living from paycheck to paycheck. 515 00:22:24,443 --> 00:22:27,072 The thought of money coming in hand over fist 516 00:22:27,112 --> 00:22:29,013 the way he's talking is a... 517 00:22:29,047 --> 00:22:30,811 it's tempting... tempting situation, 518 00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:34,650 and it opens my mind, which is what he wanted to do. 519 00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:35,915 A few minutes ago 520 00:22:35,954 --> 00:22:37,547 when you were saying 521 00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:39,717 how you were making money off drug dealers, 522 00:22:39,758 --> 00:22:41,886 you also said there were other ways to make money. 523 00:22:41,927 --> 00:22:43,395 Is that what you're referring to? 524 00:22:43,428 --> 00:22:45,363 Yes, there are other ways, 525 00:22:45,397 --> 00:22:47,957 like, uh, burglaries, uh... 526 00:22:47,999 --> 00:22:48,999 There are... 527 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:51,435 Well, did you actually engage in burglaries? 528 00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:53,098 Yes. 529 00:22:53,138 --> 00:22:57,405 Will you tell us some of the circumstances, please? 530 00:22:57,442 --> 00:22:58,442 Um... 531 00:23:04,516 --> 00:23:07,008 A job comes over the radio. 532 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:09,419 A woman's house down the block was burglarized. 533 00:23:09,454 --> 00:23:10,649 We get to the place, 534 00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:12,453 and there's this high-school-aged girl 535 00:23:12,491 --> 00:23:14,016 standing outside her front door. 536 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:16,585 And we start going through the whole place, 537 00:23:16,628 --> 00:23:20,156 find out there's no burglars in the building. 538 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,061 I had gotten a new partner at the time, 539 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:26,561 and, uh, I had to prove to him that I was good. 540 00:23:26,605 --> 00:23:29,598 So in order to prove to him that I was good, 541 00:23:29,641 --> 00:23:31,872 I had to... 542 00:23:31,910 --> 00:23:35,472 I had to give him some reason to think that I... 543 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:36,607 to know that I was good. 544 00:23:37,949 --> 00:23:39,781 Mike grabs the girl and goes, 545 00:23:39,818 --> 00:23:40,842 "Do you know if your parents 546 00:23:40,886 --> 00:23:42,821 kept any money or valuables anywhere?" 547 00:23:42,854 --> 00:23:44,083 So she called her mother, 548 00:23:44,122 --> 00:23:47,115 and her mother told her where the money was hidden, 549 00:23:47,159 --> 00:23:49,628 and I found it... 550 00:23:49,661 --> 00:23:52,028 for her. 551 00:23:52,063 --> 00:23:53,759 But she never got it. 552 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,532 And he reaches up, 553 00:23:56,568 --> 00:23:59,003 and he's feeling his hand around up there, 554 00:23:59,037 --> 00:24:00,733 and he goes, "Nope, there's nothing here. 555 00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:01,831 They must have got it." 556 00:24:04,476 --> 00:24:06,502 And I'm not thinking really anything of it, 557 00:24:06,545 --> 00:24:08,070 and we drive away. 558 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:09,979 And Mike reaches into his pocket, 559 00:24:10,015 --> 00:24:11,574 pulls out a $100 bill, 560 00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:12,982 and goes, "This is for you." 561 00:24:13,018 --> 00:24:14,646 I'm like, "What the hell is that?" 562 00:24:14,686 --> 00:24:16,621 He goes, "You didn't even see me take it, did you?" 563 00:24:16,655 --> 00:24:19,056 He knows where it came from, 564 00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:21,150 and he accepted it willingly. 565 00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:23,627 And I put it in my pocket. 566 00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:26,998 That $100 sat on the top of my locker 567 00:24:27,032 --> 00:24:29,729 on the top shelf for the longest time. 568 00:24:29,768 --> 00:24:32,135 I don't want to say the $100 bill haunted me, 569 00:24:32,170 --> 00:24:33,866 but I didn't spend it. 570 00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:45,684 And a couple of days later, I was in court, 571 00:24:45,717 --> 00:24:49,210 and he's working with this female cop. 572 00:24:49,254 --> 00:24:50,254 We get in the car, 573 00:24:50,255 --> 00:24:52,554 and we get a call for a burglary 574 00:24:52,591 --> 00:24:55,060 over on Hegeman Avenue. 575 00:24:55,093 --> 00:24:56,584 We get to the house. 576 00:24:56,628 --> 00:24:59,962 I'm the lead cop in... into the house. 577 00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:01,227 Anti-Crime shows up, 578 00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:03,792 which is the plainclothes unit for the precinct. 579 00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:06,202 I happen to just go back of the closet 580 00:25:06,238 --> 00:25:08,730 and in the closet's Anti-Crime. 581 00:25:08,773 --> 00:25:09,900 And the guy picks up a bag... 582 00:25:09,941 --> 00:25:12,536 There's a green fucking garbage bag filled with cash. 583 00:25:14,613 --> 00:25:16,047 So I look at him. He looks at me. 584 00:25:16,081 --> 00:25:17,879 I go, "What are you gonna do, huh? 585 00:25:17,916 --> 00:25:19,509 "Fucking spend the whole day vouchering cash? 586 00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:20,780 Just leave it there. Fuck it." 587 00:25:20,819 --> 00:25:24,551 So Mike smooth talks Anti-Crime and explains to them, 588 00:25:24,589 --> 00:25:26,080 "Oh, you got to take all that back. 589 00:25:26,124 --> 00:25:27,717 "You got to stamp each bill. 590 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:29,250 "You got to initial each bill. 591 00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:31,525 That's gonna take you for-fucking-ever." 592 00:25:31,563 --> 00:25:33,225 "Yeah, you're right." He puts the bag down. 593 00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:34,995 And I go back, rip open the bag, 594 00:25:35,033 --> 00:25:37,195 take about 4, 5 grand, put it in my pockets. 595 00:25:37,235 --> 00:25:39,727 I go...'cause I couldn't take the bag out. 596 00:25:39,771 --> 00:25:41,239 There's cops all over the place. 597 00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:44,134 We get in the car. 598 00:25:44,175 --> 00:25:45,575 Back then we didn't have cell phones, 599 00:25:45,610 --> 00:25:48,239 so I went over to the payphone and called Chicky. 600 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,010 I get a call from Mikey, and he says, 601 00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:51,914 "Listen, I need you to get over to this address. 602 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:52,974 "I was just there. 603 00:25:53,018 --> 00:25:54,953 "I saw this bag full of money, 604 00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:56,181 "but I got a new partner, 605 00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:57,985 "and I'm not doing anything in front of him. 606 00:25:58,023 --> 00:26:00,083 "Need you to get over there right away while I'm working 607 00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:01,821 so this way, I can watch your back." 608 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:03,829 I got a bag full of money in an apartment, 609 00:26:03,862 --> 00:26:05,694 and I'm gonna be... I'm keeping an eye on it. 610 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:06,754 I says, "Mikey, I'm stuck. 611 00:26:06,798 --> 00:26:08,061 I don't have a car at this point." 612 00:26:08,099 --> 00:26:10,000 I said, "Go rent one. Go buy... just get one." 613 00:26:10,035 --> 00:26:11,833 "You better call somebody, you better steal one, 614 00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:13,600 you better do something, but you need to get it." 615 00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:15,698 So I circled the block for an hour and a half 616 00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:18,938 just making sure no one would go in the house. 617 00:26:18,977 --> 00:26:20,775 This way... any way you could circle a block, 618 00:26:20,812 --> 00:26:22,303 I didn't leave that door, basically. 619 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:27,246 I don't... I'm sort of suggesting to her 620 00:26:27,285 --> 00:26:29,845 that I'm sort of keeping an eye on the house. 621 00:26:29,888 --> 00:26:31,618 You know, it's our responsibility to sort of 622 00:26:31,656 --> 00:26:34,125 safeguard the location. 623 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,185 Finally I get ahold of somebody who has a car, 624 00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:38,958 and we go over there dressed as detectives. 625 00:26:38,997 --> 00:26:41,967 After about the 40th time I circled the fucking house, 626 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,593 Chicky pulled up... 627 00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:46,063 I knock on the door. 628 00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:49,165 I flash a shield, a phony shield, 629 00:26:49,207 --> 00:26:50,800 to the landlord. 630 00:26:50,842 --> 00:26:51,842 And he looks at it... 631 00:26:51,876 --> 00:26:53,208 "What can I do for you, Officer?" 632 00:26:53,244 --> 00:26:54,940 "I need to get into apartment so-and-so. 633 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:57,006 The cops were just here. I need to check it out." 634 00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:00,784 We get in there. 635 00:27:00,819 --> 00:27:02,617 Your chest is blowing up, 636 00:27:02,654 --> 00:27:03,781 'cause it's one of those things 637 00:27:03,822 --> 00:27:05,654 where you don't know what's gonna happen next. 638 00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:07,386 You know what's there, you know what you're doing, 639 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:11,028 all of that, but the adrenaline rush... 640 00:27:11,062 --> 00:27:12,758 it's nothing you ever felt. 641 00:27:12,797 --> 00:27:14,766 And that rush goes on... 642 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,995 doesn't die down till maybe 15, 20 minutes later, 643 00:27:17,035 --> 00:27:18,401 till you're home. 644 00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:20,765 Doesn't die down, and you get the shakes. 645 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:22,964 I was in there maybe, 646 00:27:23,008 --> 00:27:25,204 tops, minute and a half. 647 00:27:27,846 --> 00:27:30,042 Good cop shows up, what do I tell him? 648 00:27:30,782 --> 00:27:32,751 I'm not even on the job anymore. 649 00:27:32,784 --> 00:27:35,049 I know I got Mikey handling everything outside 650 00:27:35,086 --> 00:27:36,714 as far as any other units showing up 651 00:27:36,755 --> 00:27:39,657 or anything like that, so I know I'm pretty good there. 652 00:27:39,691 --> 00:27:42,718 So the only other thing I'm worried about is a bad guy. 653 00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:49,826 Anything could have happened. 654 00:27:49,868 --> 00:27:52,861 I might have had to tune somebody up. 655 00:27:52,904 --> 00:27:55,203 I might have been dead. 656 00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:04,441 We search, and exactly where Mikey said 657 00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:07,915 he saw this bag of money, it was there. 658 00:28:07,952 --> 00:28:09,978 It's all packaged the way drug dealers package it 659 00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:12,786 with the rubber band, $1,000 bundles. 660 00:28:12,824 --> 00:28:15,692 Thousands of dollars in it. 661 00:28:15,727 --> 00:28:17,320 Thousands of dollars in it. 662 00:28:19,064 --> 00:28:20,396 The car takes off. 663 00:28:20,432 --> 00:28:21,832 I go, "Oh, my God, 664 00:28:21,866 --> 00:28:22,866 my buddy Chicky's here." 665 00:28:22,901 --> 00:28:24,369 I pull him over. I go "How'd we do?" 666 00:28:24,402 --> 00:28:26,394 He goes, "Oh, we got a fucking big bag full of cash, 667 00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:28,202 "and we're going back to my buddy's house, 668 00:28:28,239 --> 00:28:29,239 and we're gonna count up. 669 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,240 How much you got?" 670 00:28:30,241 --> 00:28:31,971 I said, "I don't know, 5, 6 grand." 671 00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:35,174 So I fucking banged out early, 672 00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:37,079 drove over to my friend's house, 673 00:28:37,115 --> 00:28:39,107 jumped in a limousine, and drove to Atlantic City 674 00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:40,311 counting the cash we just 675 00:28:40,351 --> 00:28:41,785 fucking pulled off on this job. 676 00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:43,846 And we go to Atlantic City, 677 00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:45,948 and we turn all of these 10s, 5s, and 20s 678 00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:47,117 into $100 bills. 679 00:28:47,158 --> 00:28:48,922 We sit down, and we play awhile, 680 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,223 we eat awhile, whatever it is, 681 00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:51,490 and then we come back 682 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:53,892 with the clean money. 683 00:28:53,932 --> 00:28:55,924 You know, to put 11, 12, 15, 20 grand 684 00:28:55,967 --> 00:28:57,936 in your pocket in one day, 685 00:28:57,969 --> 00:28:59,938 you're like, "Holy fuck, I just made my year." 686 00:28:59,971 --> 00:29:02,805 Forget about Beverly Hills and all that other stuff. 687 00:29:02,841 --> 00:29:05,208 The ghetto is one of the richest neighborhoods there is. 688 00:29:06,811 --> 00:29:08,143 "Look what you missed out on. 689 00:29:08,179 --> 00:29:09,179 "This could have been yours. 690 00:29:09,214 --> 00:29:11,012 "We could have went back after Anti-Crime. 691 00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:12,210 "It could have been just you and me. 692 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,082 I wouldn't have had to call them." 693 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,351 $50,000? Fuck. 694 00:29:17,388 --> 00:29:19,220 Like any cheap cocksucker, he was... 695 00:29:19,257 --> 00:29:20,486 he was impressed by the money, 696 00:29:20,525 --> 00:29:23,757 and I told him, you know, "Far as I'm concerned, 697 00:29:23,795 --> 00:29:25,889 "if there's three pieces of rice on the table, 698 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,125 "my wife, my kids, then you. 699 00:29:27,165 --> 00:29:28,292 "I'll go hungry. 700 00:29:28,333 --> 00:29:30,302 So that's how I see this." 701 00:29:30,335 --> 00:29:32,930 And he went, "I'm in." 702 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,333 I jumped in headfirst, man. 703 00:29:37,375 --> 00:29:38,434 I went in. 704 00:29:44,048 --> 00:29:46,483 Mr. Dowd, you said that you and your partner had agreed 705 00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:49,784 that you were gonna graduate into more serious crimes 706 00:29:49,821 --> 00:29:50,914 at this point in your career. 707 00:29:50,955 --> 00:29:52,446 Did you accomplish that objective? 708 00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:56,853 Eventually? 709 00:29:56,895 --> 00:29:58,386 Yes. 710 00:29:58,429 --> 00:30:02,491 How did you accomplish that objective? 711 00:30:02,534 --> 00:30:05,026 Well, what had happened was... 712 00:30:05,069 --> 00:30:07,470 You know, through a... we met a... 713 00:30:07,505 --> 00:30:09,235 We had a very strong relationship 714 00:30:09,274 --> 00:30:11,573 with a local drug dealer. 715 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,041 His name was Mr. Perez. 716 00:30:17,148 --> 00:30:20,141 I'm driving up Van Siclen, and on my right-hand side, 717 00:30:20,185 --> 00:30:23,212 I see this very attractive Hispanic woman... 718 00:30:23,254 --> 00:30:25,018 very slender, red pump heels on, 719 00:30:25,056 --> 00:30:26,354 long black, flowing hair... 720 00:30:26,391 --> 00:30:29,850 standing next to a shiny, beautiful red Corvette. 721 00:30:29,894 --> 00:30:32,864 Immediately I was, of course, drawn to this scene. 722 00:30:32,897 --> 00:30:34,092 You know, a beautiful woman 723 00:30:34,132 --> 00:30:35,998 standing next to a beautiful car. 724 00:30:36,034 --> 00:30:37,127 I mean, how perfect could it get? 725 00:30:37,168 --> 00:30:39,296 I had my Corvette parked outside, 726 00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:41,499 which was my showroom car. 727 00:30:41,539 --> 00:30:44,941 My wife was there cleaning the car, and... 728 00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:48,208 police car stopped right in front of my shop. 729 00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:50,181 This dark-skinned Dominican guy 730 00:30:50,215 --> 00:30:52,241 that looked like a string bean with long braided hair 731 00:30:52,283 --> 00:30:53,979 that came down to the middle of his back 732 00:30:54,018 --> 00:30:56,010 come up to the patrol car and said, 733 00:30:56,054 --> 00:30:57,249 "Hey, Officer, what can I do for you?" 734 00:30:57,288 --> 00:30:59,280 I went, I say, "Hey, my name is Baron." 735 00:30:59,324 --> 00:31:00,917 He's like, "I don't give a fuck who you are." 736 00:31:00,959 --> 00:31:01,983 He kept looking at my wife. 737 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:03,358 I go, "What's up with this girl here?" 738 00:31:04,395 --> 00:31:05,419 He goes to me, "What girl?" 739 00:31:05,463 --> 00:31:07,125 I says, "This beautiful girl standing here. 740 00:31:07,165 --> 00:31:08,165 She's beautiful." 741 00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:11,000 He said, "That's my wife." 742 00:31:11,035 --> 00:31:12,628 So in total disbelief, I said, 743 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:13,930 "Get the fuck out of here. 744 00:31:13,972 --> 00:31:15,235 That's not your wife." 745 00:31:15,273 --> 00:31:17,469 "My man, it's taken. That's my wife." 746 00:31:17,508 --> 00:31:20,569 And I said, "Holy fuck, I can't believe that would... 747 00:31:20,612 --> 00:31:21,910 Wow, you must be something." 748 00:31:21,946 --> 00:31:25,280 And I think he used that as an excuse to come into... 749 00:31:25,316 --> 00:31:26,545 you know, to get close to me. 750 00:31:26,584 --> 00:31:32,421 Baron Perez was the owner of a stereo installation shop. 751 00:31:32,457 --> 00:31:34,016 Auto Sound City. 752 00:31:34,058 --> 00:31:35,219 In the front, it had a little store 753 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:36,387 where they sell all the equipment, 754 00:31:36,427 --> 00:31:38,225 and in the back was the shop we'd use 755 00:31:38,263 --> 00:31:40,095 to do all the repairs and installation. 756 00:31:40,131 --> 00:31:41,360 Drug dealers are the ones with money. 757 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:44,096 They want 18 speakers and stereos 758 00:31:44,135 --> 00:31:45,330 and all types of stuff. 759 00:31:45,370 --> 00:31:47,464 More they could put in the car, the better. 760 00:31:47,505 --> 00:31:50,065 So it's obvious that he has connections to drug dealers. 761 00:31:50,108 --> 00:31:52,077 I know his clients are drug dealers. 762 00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:55,239 He knows that I know his clients are drug dealers. 763 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,511 He knows that I know he's a player. 764 00:31:57,548 --> 00:32:00,245 He doesn't know how much of a player I am at this point, 765 00:32:00,285 --> 00:32:02,083 but he sees the glee in my eye. 766 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,349 I looked at him in the eye. 767 00:32:03,388 --> 00:32:05,084 He looked at me in eye. 768 00:32:05,123 --> 00:32:06,682 We made an agreement as friends. 769 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:07,925 So here I am. 770 00:32:07,959 --> 00:32:11,327 I happen across this individual running a proprietorship 771 00:32:11,362 --> 00:32:13,991 with nothing but drug money 772 00:32:14,032 --> 00:32:16,001 coming in and out of the place all day long. 773 00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:18,697 Maybe there's some way we can make money from this. 774 00:32:22,173 --> 00:32:26,577 La Compania is a very serious Dominican gang. 775 00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:28,546 They made a lot of money. 776 00:32:28,579 --> 00:32:30,480 Millions and millions of dollars. 777 00:32:30,515 --> 00:32:33,178 La Compania was one of the most powerful drug organizations 778 00:32:33,217 --> 00:32:35,550 at that time in New York City. 779 00:32:35,586 --> 00:32:38,420 José Montalvo, also known as Chelo, 780 00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:41,620 was the original leader of the Compania 781 00:32:41,659 --> 00:32:45,426 and was responsible for its operation. 782 00:32:47,565 --> 00:32:50,091 Me and my partner are working on the drug side 783 00:32:50,134 --> 00:32:52,433 of Chelo's organization. 784 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:55,702 Joe Hall and his partner are working on the murder side 785 00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:58,039 of Chelo's organization. 786 00:32:58,076 --> 00:33:00,204 I have a large carton of homicides 787 00:33:00,244 --> 00:33:02,713 that I can attribute to La Compania. 788 00:33:02,747 --> 00:33:05,114 Chelo saw himself as a businessman. 789 00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:07,277 The Company was set up very much like a business. 790 00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:08,684 They had supervisors. 791 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,655 They had workers. They had runners. 792 00:33:10,688 --> 00:33:13,089 Runners would take the drugs from the Heights 793 00:33:13,124 --> 00:33:16,993 over to East New York, put it in a stash house. 794 00:33:17,028 --> 00:33:19,327 Then they had the manufacturing part, 795 00:33:19,364 --> 00:33:23,563 where they had to heat seal jumbo 20s for distribution. 796 00:33:23,601 --> 00:33:26,127 Their shifts matched the police shifts, 797 00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:29,072 so if a shift for a police officer was 8:00 to 4:00, 798 00:33:29,107 --> 00:33:31,235 then his shift at his spot was 8:00 to 4:00. 799 00:33:31,275 --> 00:33:35,042 For Chelo, it meant when his vulnerability was highest, 800 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,446 the police presence was lowest in the precinct. 801 00:33:39,550 --> 00:33:40,677 The only aspect of it that made it 802 00:33:40,718 --> 00:33:42,448 a little different than a business is if... 803 00:33:42,487 --> 00:33:44,649 In a business, if you mess up, you get a reprimand. 804 00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:46,590 In his business, if you mess up, you got killed. 805 00:33:48,192 --> 00:33:51,356 Chelo was not intimidating to look at, 806 00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:52,728 but he has this darkness, you know? 807 00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:54,756 He was a brutal guy. 808 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,098 He didn't think about it to have somebody killed. 809 00:33:57,135 --> 00:33:58,535 He killed a lot of people. 810 00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:02,298 The Company was very violent. 811 00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:03,501 I mean, there were murders of people 812 00:34:03,541 --> 00:34:04,736 who were trying to rob them 813 00:34:04,776 --> 00:34:06,108 for the money that was in the spot. 814 00:34:06,144 --> 00:34:08,579 There were murders of people who were in the Company 815 00:34:08,613 --> 00:34:10,605 who they perceived as a threat. 816 00:34:10,648 --> 00:34:13,641 There were murders of rivals. 817 00:34:13,684 --> 00:34:15,653 They brought people specifically 818 00:34:15,686 --> 00:34:17,120 from the Dominican Republic 819 00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:19,215 to work in New York, whose only job 820 00:34:19,257 --> 00:34:21,283 was to kill people they saw as a threat. 821 00:34:22,326 --> 00:34:23,589 Just by the murders alone, 822 00:34:23,628 --> 00:34:25,597 we knew we were up against a tough... 823 00:34:25,630 --> 00:34:26,723 a really tough crew... 824 00:34:26,764 --> 00:34:27,764 really tough crew. 825 00:34:30,835 --> 00:34:35,102 The time is now approximately 1840 hours. 826 00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:37,506 We are conducting this video surveillance 827 00:34:37,542 --> 00:34:41,775 for the Brooklyn North Narcotics area office. 828 00:34:41,813 --> 00:34:44,408 My investigation, the La Compania investigation, 829 00:34:44,449 --> 00:34:46,475 was two locations in East New York... 830 00:34:46,517 --> 00:34:49,453 Pine and Pitkin and Norwood and Fulton. 831 00:34:49,487 --> 00:34:50,819 Early on in the investigation, 832 00:34:50,855 --> 00:34:53,654 we received information about Chelo, 833 00:34:53,691 --> 00:34:56,354 that he was going to be at Norwood and Fulton Street. 834 00:34:56,394 --> 00:35:01,230 I had borrowed a, uh, very nondescript surveillance van. 835 00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:04,099 And we were right in front of the Pichardo Restaurant 836 00:35:04,135 --> 00:35:05,831 where we knew members of the organization 837 00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:08,339 would hang out, the bosses would hang out. 838 00:35:08,372 --> 00:35:10,102 Tom and I are in the van, 839 00:35:10,141 --> 00:35:12,235 and we're comfortable; we're having our coffee. 840 00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:15,371 And then slowly we start to see people show up. 841 00:35:15,413 --> 00:35:18,383 So Tom, being a DEA agent, 842 00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:19,816 he starts taking the shots. 843 00:35:21,819 --> 00:35:22,878 And we're pretty excited, 844 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:25,317 because we know that everybody showing up 845 00:35:25,356 --> 00:35:27,348 is a part of Chelo's crew. 846 00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:28,723 And we said, "Well, we'll be able to identify 847 00:35:28,759 --> 00:35:30,728 "who this person is, this person is, 848 00:35:30,761 --> 00:35:32,389 this person is," 'cause at that point, 849 00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:34,194 we had cooperators that would point to us... 850 00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:35,700 "This is so-and-so; this is so-and-so." 851 00:35:35,733 --> 00:35:36,792 So we're saying, "This is great." 852 00:35:45,843 --> 00:35:50,304 Time goes by, and I kind of, like, look over, 853 00:35:50,348 --> 00:35:53,807 and I saw a quick glance. 854 00:35:53,851 --> 00:35:55,479 I'm giving it a little bit more time, 855 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,852 but I'm getting the heebie-jeebies. 856 00:35:56,888 --> 00:35:58,686 I'm saying, "Something's up, 857 00:35:58,723 --> 00:36:01,215 the way they're looking at us." 858 00:36:01,259 --> 00:36:02,818 I said, "Tom, that's enough. 859 00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:04,692 Wrap it up. We got everybody." 860 00:36:04,729 --> 00:36:07,358 As I start the van, vroom, 861 00:36:07,398 --> 00:36:09,390 of course they know no one's come in and out of that van, 862 00:36:09,433 --> 00:36:11,766 and they've had their eye on it. 863 00:36:11,802 --> 00:36:13,395 And I hear, "Mira! Mira!" 864 00:36:13,437 --> 00:36:15,872 And then I see a guy walk over 865 00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:18,604 and pop the trunk of a blue Chevelle. 866 00:36:18,643 --> 00:36:20,373 The back comes up, and they start reaching in, 867 00:36:20,411 --> 00:36:21,709 and they start bringing out hardware. 868 00:36:21,746 --> 00:36:23,772 I saw about maybe four or five guns 869 00:36:23,814 --> 00:36:25,544 come out of the trunk of that car. 870 00:36:25,583 --> 00:36:27,176 And I see a fucking street sweeper 871 00:36:27,218 --> 00:36:28,709 come out of the trunk of the car. 872 00:36:28,753 --> 00:36:30,779 And I said, "Oh, my God, this is it. 873 00:36:30,821 --> 00:36:32,187 We're fucked." 874 00:36:32,223 --> 00:36:34,249 I had my little five-shot, Tom had his nine, 875 00:36:34,292 --> 00:36:35,726 but we were fucking... we were sitting in there 876 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,662 like we were in a, you know... like fish in a barrel. 877 00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:40,460 And as they start to bring out the hardware, 878 00:36:40,498 --> 00:36:42,899 I get the car around in time. 879 00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:45,961 As we pulled out, two rounds were fired. 880 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,435 So now I'm really flying out of there. 881 00:36:48,472 --> 00:36:51,806 And I'm looking at the rearview mirror, of course, 882 00:36:51,842 --> 00:36:54,402 and I see the two headlights, and then I... 883 00:36:54,445 --> 00:36:56,607 Vroom, they start flying towards us. 884 00:36:56,647 --> 00:36:57,910 So now I go, "Fuck." 885 00:36:57,949 --> 00:37:00,282 They are absolutely in pursuit. 886 00:37:00,318 --> 00:37:01,318 I put over the radio, 887 00:37:01,319 --> 00:37:03,914 "Seven Five squad, I got shots fired, Central. 888 00:37:03,955 --> 00:37:08,950 We're being pursued by two vehicles at Logan and Fulton." 889 00:37:08,993 --> 00:37:10,859 Central calls back, and she said, 890 00:37:10,895 --> 00:37:14,457 "Give me a description of the car you're chasing." 891 00:37:14,498 --> 00:37:15,591 I said, "Negative." 892 00:37:15,633 --> 00:37:16,794 I said, "They're chasing us." 893 00:37:20,471 --> 00:37:21,769 I go down Atlantic Avenue. 894 00:37:21,806 --> 00:37:23,570 I go west. I jump over the sidewalk. 895 00:37:23,608 --> 00:37:24,769 There's a sidewalk divider there. 896 00:37:24,809 --> 00:37:27,335 I jump over the sidewalk. They do the same. 897 00:37:27,378 --> 00:37:30,940 They jump over the sidewalk with their sedans. 898 00:37:30,982 --> 00:37:34,646 And I start to head towards the Seven Five Precinct, 899 00:37:34,685 --> 00:37:35,685 to the fort. 900 00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:39,855 I think we went down Essex Street 901 00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:40,890 or Linwood Street, 902 00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:43,451 and they stopped their pursuit. 903 00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:55,703 Baron says to me that "I have a friend, Chelo..." 904 00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:57,971 He has an organization in the neighborhood. 905 00:37:58,009 --> 00:37:59,773 He's, uh, not too far from here. 906 00:37:59,810 --> 00:38:01,870 And he wants to know if you can give me 907 00:38:01,912 --> 00:38:04,507 some information about Narcotics... 908 00:38:04,548 --> 00:38:06,483 if they're gonna bust, if they're not gonna bust. 909 00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:08,918 I tell Kenny that we got a deal with this guy. 910 00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:12,685 What Mike came up with was, $8,000 a week, 911 00:38:12,723 --> 00:38:15,625 and we will offer our services 912 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,994 to this Dominican drug gang. 913 00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:21,056 Chelo would pay Baron, 914 00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:24,292 and I would pick the money up at Baron's shop. 915 00:38:24,335 --> 00:38:25,462 That first burglary scene we went to 916 00:38:25,503 --> 00:38:26,596 where Mike threw me the $100... 917 00:38:26,637 --> 00:38:28,799 I thought I could always come back from that. 918 00:38:32,543 --> 00:38:34,603 Now we're dealing with a major drug organization, 919 00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:37,911 and it would... supposed to get systematic payoffs? 920 00:38:37,948 --> 00:38:39,041 There's... there's no turning back. 921 00:38:39,083 --> 00:38:40,642 There's no becoming a cop again. 922 00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:50,685 Kenny and I pick up our money that Chelo had dropped off. 923 00:38:50,728 --> 00:38:52,526 Get to my house. 924 00:38:52,563 --> 00:38:55,328 Counting the money. The money is short. 925 00:38:55,366 --> 00:38:56,561 Mike is fucking pissed. 926 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,694 "They fucking shorted us. They fucking shorted us." 927 00:38:58,736 --> 00:38:59,965 I'm a New York City cop. 928 00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:01,472 I'm taking a risk of going to jail 929 00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:02,905 for a long period of time, 930 00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:05,068 and you're gonna short me a dime? 931 00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:07,908 It... he's... there's a line he cannot cross. 932 00:39:07,945 --> 00:39:09,811 Mike was mad, Kenny was mad, 933 00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:11,816 and, "Fuck this," and, "Fuck that," and... 934 00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:12,942 You're not fucking me. 935 00:39:12,983 --> 00:39:14,042 It's not happening. 936 00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:17,578 So I sat in front of Chelo's drug spot for four days, 937 00:39:17,621 --> 00:39:18,621 every night. 938 00:39:18,656 --> 00:39:20,682 Just sat there. Chasing people. 939 00:39:20,725 --> 00:39:21,784 Hitting the lights, hitting the sirens. 940 00:39:21,826 --> 00:39:24,853 Chasing 'em, harassing 'em, pulling 'em over. 941 00:39:24,895 --> 00:39:26,693 He fucking sends a message over to Baron, 942 00:39:26,731 --> 00:39:27,824 "Tell that cop I'm gonna have him... 943 00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:30,664 I'm putting a contract on him, gonna have him whacked." 944 00:39:30,701 --> 00:39:32,465 Went to work the next day. 945 00:39:32,503 --> 00:39:34,665 Happened to go down Fulton right in front of Hale, 946 00:39:34,705 --> 00:39:36,731 and here comes this Porsche, pulling away. 947 00:39:36,774 --> 00:39:38,834 I had never seen this guy in person, 948 00:39:38,876 --> 00:39:40,469 but I knew it was his car. 949 00:39:40,511 --> 00:39:42,446 I pulled him over. 950 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,743 "License and registration." 951 00:39:43,781 --> 00:39:45,079 Of course, he doesn't know who the fuck I am, 952 00:39:45,116 --> 00:39:47,483 'cause he never saw me. 953 00:39:47,518 --> 00:39:50,454 He, you know, complies with my orders, 954 00:39:50,488 --> 00:39:51,922 pulls out his license and registration, 955 00:39:51,956 --> 00:39:52,956 insurance card. 956 00:39:52,990 --> 00:39:55,858 I take it and throw it back in his fucking car, and I go, 957 00:39:55,893 --> 00:39:59,022 "You're gonna have me killed?" 958 00:39:59,063 --> 00:40:00,998 And he looks at me, 959 00:40:01,031 --> 00:40:03,967 and he doesn't know what the fuck to do. 960 00:40:04,001 --> 00:40:05,993 He's... I'm standing there. I'm in his face. 961 00:40:06,036 --> 00:40:07,036 "You're gonna have me killed? 962 00:40:07,037 --> 00:40:08,037 "Why don't we do this: 963 00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:09,472 "you get out of your fucking car, 964 00:40:09,507 --> 00:40:10,507 "and I'll be a real man. 965 00:40:10,541 --> 00:40:12,407 "Get out of your fucking car right now, 966 00:40:12,443 --> 00:40:15,003 "and we'll do a 20 fucking pace walk-off, 967 00:40:15,045 --> 00:40:16,445 "and we'll see who wins. 968 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,914 "Let's do it right now. 969 00:40:17,948 --> 00:40:20,474 "You fucking owe me money and you fucking put a hit on me, 970 00:40:20,518 --> 00:40:22,749 you motherfucker?" 971 00:40:22,787 --> 00:40:25,757 "No, no." I said, "Call it off right now." 972 00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:26,985 I never said anything about the money to him. 973 00:40:27,024 --> 00:40:29,994 "You call it off right now, or you see how... 974 00:40:30,027 --> 00:40:32,519 "This is for real. Like, this is for fucking real. 975 00:40:32,563 --> 00:40:34,862 "You can't just tell... you're putting a hit on a fucking cop 976 00:40:34,899 --> 00:40:35,992 "and me not fucking come find you. 977 00:40:36,033 --> 00:40:37,763 I did. Day one, I found you." 978 00:40:44,141 --> 00:40:45,575 I don't know, couple hours later, 979 00:40:45,609 --> 00:40:47,168 I get a page from Baron. 980 00:40:47,211 --> 00:40:48,679 He goes, "Mike, Chelo just called me, 981 00:40:48,712 --> 00:40:50,681 "told me the hit's off. 982 00:40:50,714 --> 00:40:52,580 Come by. I got something for you." 983 00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:54,608 Walked into Baron's office at Auto Sound City. 984 00:40:54,652 --> 00:40:56,052 He handed me $700. 985 00:40:58,923 --> 00:40:59,923 Mike is furious. 986 00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:02,017 He doesn't want to have nothing to do with these guys no more. 987 00:41:02,059 --> 00:41:04,494 Baron is a... is a businessman. 988 00:41:04,528 --> 00:41:07,623 So he says to me, "I got another guy who I think 989 00:41:07,665 --> 00:41:09,463 can use our help now." 990 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:10,500 So you had The Company 991 00:41:10,501 --> 00:41:12,993 was a drug organization run by José Montalvo, 992 00:41:13,037 --> 00:41:15,029 who was also known as Chelo. 993 00:41:15,072 --> 00:41:16,768 Then you had another organization 994 00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:18,241 doing pretty much the same thing, 995 00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:19,876 uh, run by Adam Diaz. 996 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:27,618 Nothing at all. 997 00:41:29,553 --> 00:41:33,149 Because The Company was a fucking low-scale shit. 998 00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:35,716 Half a gram, gram, shit, dimes. 999 00:41:35,759 --> 00:41:36,954 Dimes. 1000 00:41:36,994 --> 00:41:39,691 He didn't have the connections I had. 1001 00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:41,562 I could take him out of the fucking business 1002 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:42,862 in a heartbeat. 1003 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:44,801 But I didn't want to do that. Why? 1004 00:41:44,835 --> 00:41:48,931 Because he didn't represent no... no competition to me. 1005 00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:51,738 And on top of that, his sister... 1006 00:41:53,277 --> 00:41:55,075 was in love with me. 1007 00:41:55,112 --> 00:41:57,081 Beautiful girl. 1008 00:41:57,114 --> 00:41:58,912 I was banging the shit out of her. 1009 00:42:04,088 --> 00:42:05,954 Balls. 1010 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:08,050 And you got to be responsible. 1011 00:42:09,059 --> 00:42:12,552 I know I had a lot of kilos from Escobar 1012 00:42:12,596 --> 00:42:15,566 because I know the stamp. 1013 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,534 When you have a Colombian connection, 1014 00:42:17,568 --> 00:42:22,734 if they bring you 1,500 kilos and you have it in a place, 1015 00:42:22,773 --> 00:42:24,867 you're already responsible for that. 1016 00:42:24,909 --> 00:42:27,174 I don't care if tomorrow the kilos goes down 1017 00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:30,670 $2,000 apiece, $3,000, $5,000... doesn't matter. 1018 00:42:30,714 --> 00:42:34,207 You're already responsible for that amount. 1019 00:42:34,251 --> 00:42:36,243 You better fucking come forward with the money. 1020 00:42:38,322 --> 00:42:40,018 Or fucking they kill you. 1021 00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:41,753 Don't make no difference to them. 1022 00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:47,863 I had several stores open in East New York. 1023 00:42:47,898 --> 00:42:51,130 Blake Avenue, Crescent Avenue, 1024 00:42:51,168 --> 00:42:54,263 Van Siclen Avenue, New Lots, and Vermont. 1025 00:43:00,344 --> 00:43:02,870 You... this a regular grocery store. 1026 00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:04,142 Any regular customer 1027 00:43:04,181 --> 00:43:05,809 will walk in the aisle, 1028 00:43:05,849 --> 00:43:08,284 take their cereal, take their whatever. 1029 00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:12,188 The other clients that will go for the other product 1030 00:43:12,222 --> 00:43:14,885 will walk quietly all the way to the back. 1031 00:43:14,925 --> 00:43:17,861 In the back, it was a metal door. 1032 00:43:17,895 --> 00:43:19,625 You knock on that door, and the guy will 1033 00:43:19,663 --> 00:43:22,030 open the door for you, and you give him the money... 1034 00:43:22,066 --> 00:43:26,060 "I want half a key; I want 62 ounces." 1035 00:43:26,103 --> 00:43:28,004 So when they come out of there, 1036 00:43:28,038 --> 00:43:30,098 they come out with a whole bunch of grocery, 1037 00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:33,770 but underneath all of that, you got kilos. 1038 00:43:33,811 --> 00:43:35,939 When I saw Adam the first time, I said, 1039 00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:37,812 this is the guy that we should work with. 1040 00:43:37,848 --> 00:43:40,010 I knew Baron for a while already. 1041 00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:41,609 I took him a Porsche... 1042 00:43:41,652 --> 00:43:45,384 a 911, candy red, beautiful vehicle. 1043 00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:47,023 And I say, "Look, Baron. 1044 00:43:47,057 --> 00:43:48,685 "I don't like ghetto music. 1045 00:43:48,726 --> 00:43:50,627 "I like Julio Iglesias. 1046 00:43:50,661 --> 00:43:51,788 I like Bryan Adams, you know?" 1047 00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:53,889 ♪ Look into my eyes ♪ 1048 00:43:53,931 --> 00:43:55,957 "But I don't like those fucking big black boxes 1049 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,161 with big speakers." 1050 00:43:59,036 --> 00:44:00,800 "I hate that shit. 1051 00:44:00,838 --> 00:44:02,864 But I want to hear the music." 1052 00:44:02,906 --> 00:44:04,272 And I says, "By the way, 1053 00:44:04,308 --> 00:44:07,073 don't make any holes on my Porsche." 1054 00:44:07,111 --> 00:44:08,636 You're not gonna believe it. 1055 00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:10,910 When I came back to pick up my Porsche, 1056 00:44:10,948 --> 00:44:13,713 he didn't make not one hole on that car. 1057 00:44:13,751 --> 00:44:16,778 And the car sounded like a fucking club. 1058 00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:19,085 Not only did he put music there to listen to Julio Iglesias, 1059 00:44:19,123 --> 00:44:22,890 but he say, "You want somebody to listen to black music, 1060 00:44:22,926 --> 00:44:25,361 "you... they could put it on, Adam. 1061 00:44:25,396 --> 00:44:26,659 But it's up to you." 1062 00:44:38,842 --> 00:44:41,778 I had three fucking machines counting money. 1063 00:44:41,812 --> 00:44:43,212 And it's still not enough time. 1064 00:44:50,387 --> 00:44:51,946 Pbbt. 1065 00:44:54,191 --> 00:44:55,716 Baron calls me. 1066 00:44:55,759 --> 00:44:57,728 He's got these two police officers 1067 00:44:57,761 --> 00:45:00,026 who want to talk to me about, 1068 00:45:00,064 --> 00:45:01,464 "They could protect your business, 1069 00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:03,292 "and they could give you information 1070 00:45:03,333 --> 00:45:05,359 about when they're gonna raid your place." 1071 00:45:05,402 --> 00:45:08,372 I told Baron, "Okay, 1072 00:45:08,405 --> 00:45:10,374 let's do a meeting with those guys." 1073 00:45:10,407 --> 00:45:12,308 Kenny and I discuss a few things, 1074 00:45:12,342 --> 00:45:15,073 and we go in, we have a meeting with Baron about it, 1075 00:45:15,112 --> 00:45:19,709 and we tell Baron, "$24,000 in our hands to talk." 1076 00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:22,413 Fucking Mike was a fucking brain. 1077 00:45:22,453 --> 00:45:27,790 He said... I think it was $25,000 down payment... 1078 00:45:27,825 --> 00:45:29,953 so he could trust me. 1079 00:45:29,993 --> 00:45:31,859 I said, "No problem." 1080 00:45:31,895 --> 00:45:33,488 We go in the back room. 1081 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:36,257 Baron makes a couple of quick introductions. 1082 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:38,166 The first time I saw Kenny... 1083 00:45:44,208 --> 00:45:47,042 He had the cop look, 1084 00:45:47,077 --> 00:45:50,206 where you say, "Fuck, he's a cop." 1085 00:45:51,815 --> 00:45:52,815 Mike didn't. 1086 00:45:54,451 --> 00:45:58,354 From day one, Mike didn't have that cop look. 1087 00:45:58,388 --> 00:46:00,823 Mike was... 1088 00:46:00,858 --> 00:46:02,349 like me. 1089 00:46:08,332 --> 00:46:10,858 Mike starts laying it down on the line... 1090 00:46:10,901 --> 00:46:13,132 "$24,000 down payment, 1091 00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:16,800 and then you're gonna give us $8,000 a week." 1092 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,901 We're selling him on the point that if we know of 1093 00:46:19,943 --> 00:46:22,913 or are aware of any undercover activity in the area, 1094 00:46:22,946 --> 00:46:24,346 we would inform him. 1095 00:46:24,381 --> 00:46:26,850 "We will make sure all the other places are raided. 1096 00:46:26,884 --> 00:46:28,785 "You tell us where your competition is. 1097 00:46:28,819 --> 00:46:31,050 "We'll make sure Narcotics knocks them out. 1098 00:46:31,088 --> 00:46:33,853 We will tell you when Narcotics is in the area." 1099 00:46:33,891 --> 00:46:35,223 Diaz was all for it. 1100 00:46:35,259 --> 00:46:36,557 He wanted that clout. 1101 00:46:39,196 --> 00:46:41,222 He wanted to own cops. 1102 00:46:48,071 --> 00:46:51,564 "I got what I needed to keep bringing my empire up." 1103 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:54,574 I call one of my guys. 1104 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:57,577 He brought me the money. 1105 00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,046 "Here, Mike. 1106 00:47:00,083 --> 00:47:01,346 Take a walk." 1107 00:47:04,555 --> 00:47:08,048 The look of Mike and Kenny, 1108 00:47:08,091 --> 00:47:09,491 when they first got the payoff... 1109 00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:13,020 Christmas in June, maybe. 1110 00:47:13,063 --> 00:47:16,295 Oh, me and Mike were... were ridiculously happy. 1111 00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:18,825 I mean, I know I was. 1112 00:47:22,172 --> 00:47:25,574 We had left there with a nice load of money in our hands. 1113 00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:28,169 We're two young guys with two young, beautiful wives 1114 00:47:28,212 --> 00:47:29,942 and young kids, 1115 00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:32,279 and it's almost like a time for celebration. 1116 00:47:32,316 --> 00:47:33,978 My wife was in the precinct that day 1117 00:47:34,017 --> 00:47:36,316 visiting her grandmother, who lived in the precinct. 1118 00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:39,346 Michael and Kenny picked me up. 1119 00:47:39,389 --> 00:47:41,119 I was sitting in the backseat. 1120 00:47:41,158 --> 00:47:42,990 I asked how their day was. 1121 00:47:43,026 --> 00:47:45,291 I tell my wife, "Reach in that paper bag. 1122 00:47:45,329 --> 00:47:46,854 "Can you give us a couple of beers? 1123 00:47:46,897 --> 00:47:48,092 "We got some beers, and we're gonna, you know, 1124 00:47:48,131 --> 00:47:49,258 have a couple of beers on the ride home." 1125 00:47:49,299 --> 00:47:50,299 "Oh, no problem." 1126 00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:52,428 I open it up, and it was money. 1127 00:47:52,469 --> 00:47:54,028 And I basically screamed. 1128 00:47:54,071 --> 00:47:55,471 I was like... 1129 00:47:58,642 --> 00:48:00,201 She's just beside herself. 1130 00:48:00,244 --> 00:48:02,304 She can't believe how much money's in that bag. 1131 00:48:02,346 --> 00:48:06,374 Money always feels good. 1132 00:48:06,416 --> 00:48:09,011 And I tried to reassure her, "Don't worry. 1133 00:48:09,052 --> 00:48:10,179 "Everything's gonna be all right. 1134 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:11,381 We're gonna make some money, you know." 1135 00:48:11,421 --> 00:48:13,890 Mike was driving pretty erratically, 1136 00:48:13,924 --> 00:48:15,358 and he was going fast. 1137 00:48:15,392 --> 00:48:18,123 Mike was doing fucking 100 in a little blue Hyundai. 1138 00:48:18,161 --> 00:48:19,390 We get pulled over. 1139 00:48:19,429 --> 00:48:22,228 Before the cop even was out of his car, 1140 00:48:22,266 --> 00:48:23,393 Mike was out of his car 1141 00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:25,163 walking back to the cop with his tin out. 1142 00:48:25,202 --> 00:48:26,670 "What is he stopping a cop for?" 1143 00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:30,602 I'm like, "You just, like, rode the median." 1144 00:48:34,077 --> 00:48:36,410 "I think you both are crazy. 1145 00:48:36,446 --> 00:48:38,039 This is trouble." 1146 00:48:45,455 --> 00:48:47,981 Adam would do his business... 1147 00:48:48,025 --> 00:48:51,689 i.e. sell his dozens of kilos of cocaine in a day... 1148 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:53,022 and at the end of the day, 1149 00:48:53,063 --> 00:48:54,395 he'd have to make a serious move, 1150 00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:57,094 like take his money and/or drugs out of the building 1151 00:48:57,134 --> 00:48:59,968 and bring 'em to wherever his stash house was. 1152 00:49:00,003 --> 00:49:01,938 He asked us to ride shotgun for him 1153 00:49:01,972 --> 00:49:04,066 so that if there were people tailing him, 1154 00:49:04,107 --> 00:49:06,008 they would see that he had juice... 1155 00:49:06,043 --> 00:49:07,978 that the police were protecting his moves. 1156 00:49:08,011 --> 00:49:09,411 No one's gonna try to rob him 1157 00:49:09,446 --> 00:49:12,314 while they see a patrol car ten feet behind. 1158 00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:14,477 Mike was in charge 1159 00:49:14,518 --> 00:49:17,181 to protect my stuff 1160 00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:19,121 from point A to point B. 1161 00:49:19,156 --> 00:49:21,318 We were like their... their Brinks. 1162 00:49:21,358 --> 00:49:22,553 We were, you know... 1163 00:49:22,592 --> 00:49:24,652 protected him, making sure he was not robbed. 1164 00:49:26,430 --> 00:49:27,659 He had a police escort. 1165 00:49:27,698 --> 00:49:29,428 Well, he did have a police escort, yeah. 1166 00:49:29,466 --> 00:49:32,334 Michael Dowd got me vest. 1167 00:49:32,369 --> 00:49:37,535 Police officer's bulletproof vest for me and my guys. 1168 00:49:37,574 --> 00:49:40,476 Original shit from the storage in the precinct. 1169 00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:43,139 So my guys used to wear it, like, with pride, you know? 1170 00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:45,308 Like, "Wow, Adam got it going on. 1171 00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:47,614 "Adam, he controls the cops. 1172 00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:49,483 We don't have nothing to worry about." 1173 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,063 There was guys that were competition to me. 1174 00:50:01,098 --> 00:50:03,124 I give you a good example: the guy in front of me. 1175 00:50:03,166 --> 00:50:05,101 They call him Dominica. 1176 00:50:05,135 --> 00:50:07,104 Short guy. 1177 00:50:07,137 --> 00:50:08,230 Fat. 1178 00:50:08,271 --> 00:50:10,365 He think he's a gangster. 1179 00:50:10,407 --> 00:50:11,705 He a fucking pussy. 1180 00:50:11,742 --> 00:50:14,541 He started giving me a hard time... 1181 00:50:14,578 --> 00:50:16,604 stealing my customers. 1182 00:50:16,646 --> 00:50:19,445 Because he happened to be in front of my store, 1183 00:50:19,483 --> 00:50:21,247 I can't kill him. 1184 00:50:21,284 --> 00:50:23,116 His wife knew me. His mother knew me. 1185 00:50:23,153 --> 00:50:24,348 Everybody knew me. 1186 00:50:24,388 --> 00:50:25,754 If he's dead, the next day, 1187 00:50:25,789 --> 00:50:27,257 what the fuck is gonna happen to me? 1188 00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:28,622 The feds coming after me. 1189 00:50:28,658 --> 00:50:30,183 Can't touch the guy. 1190 00:50:30,227 --> 00:50:32,423 I say, "Fuck, what am I gonna do?" 1191 00:50:32,462 --> 00:50:35,261 I say, "Mike, I need this guy out of the way. 1192 00:50:35,298 --> 00:50:38,166 Please." 1193 00:50:38,201 --> 00:50:40,466 So what did Mike did? 1194 00:50:40,504 --> 00:50:43,531 He brought the fucking police officer car 1195 00:50:43,573 --> 00:50:45,599 right in his corner. 1196 00:50:45,642 --> 00:50:49,135 My customers was... were fucking going to his spot. 1197 00:50:49,179 --> 00:50:51,739 I said, "Wow, Mike. You the man." 1198 00:50:57,721 --> 00:50:59,713 Kenny and I happened by chance to be passing 1199 00:50:59,756 --> 00:51:01,190 in the back of the location one day, 1200 00:51:01,224 --> 00:51:03,750 and we see unmarked cars, guys in beards, 1201 00:51:03,794 --> 00:51:06,559 the whole unmarked, droopy look going on. 1202 00:51:06,596 --> 00:51:08,258 And we say, "Hey, what are you guys up to?" 1203 00:51:08,298 --> 00:51:09,527 And they said, "We got a spot we're doing 1204 00:51:09,566 --> 00:51:11,091 around the block later." 1205 00:51:11,134 --> 00:51:13,569 "Okay, great." 1206 00:51:13,603 --> 00:51:15,697 I fucking hit the lights and the sirens almost 1207 00:51:15,739 --> 00:51:17,469 and go running around the block, 1208 00:51:17,507 --> 00:51:18,566 jump out of the car. 1209 00:51:18,608 --> 00:51:19,608 I go into the bodega, 1210 00:51:19,643 --> 00:51:21,441 I take two Heinekens out of the freezer, 1211 00:51:21,478 --> 00:51:22,776 I walk up to the counter, 1212 00:51:22,813 --> 00:51:23,837 and I go like this... 1213 00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:25,379 "Shut it down now." 1214 00:51:25,415 --> 00:51:26,781 So what do I do? I pick up all my guys. 1215 00:51:26,817 --> 00:51:29,252 "All right, guys, closed for the day." 1216 00:51:29,286 --> 00:51:30,413 "What do you mean, Adam?" 1217 00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:33,219 "Closed for the day. Everyone, let's go." 1218 00:51:33,256 --> 00:51:35,088 I wouldn't leave not one guy there. 1219 00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:38,425 I would leave the store guy, the guy behind the counter. 1220 00:51:38,462 --> 00:51:41,125 20 minutes later, we drive back around, 1221 00:51:41,164 --> 00:51:44,225 and they had searchlights, dogs. 1222 00:51:44,267 --> 00:51:48,329 The whole drug organization was being taken down that day. 1223 00:51:48,371 --> 00:51:49,862 When the feds come or the state comes 1224 00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:51,268 and try to purchase drugs, 1225 00:51:51,308 --> 00:51:52,367 "What are you talking about? 1226 00:51:52,409 --> 00:51:54,503 We don't sell no drugs here." 1227 00:51:54,544 --> 00:51:56,206 "What do you mean? I came last week." 1228 00:51:56,246 --> 00:51:57,441 "I don't give a shit where you came 1229 00:51:57,481 --> 00:51:59,279 "or who you fucking purchased drugs from. 1230 00:51:59,316 --> 00:52:00,579 "We don't sell drugs, my man. 1231 00:52:00,617 --> 00:52:02,279 "We sell groceries. 1232 00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:03,617 "You want milk or bread? 1233 00:52:03,653 --> 00:52:04,653 Come and get it." 1234 00:52:04,688 --> 00:52:07,556 The DEA was a little bit upset, and Brooklyn North Narcotics, 1235 00:52:07,591 --> 00:52:09,526 who they worked in the joint task force with, was upset, 1236 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,528 because they didn't find a gram of salt in the building, 1237 00:52:11,561 --> 00:52:14,190 never mind a kilo of cocaine that they were looking for. 1238 00:52:22,305 --> 00:52:25,833 Michael Dowd was a very loyal part of my crew. 1239 00:52:25,876 --> 00:52:27,242 Between me and him was like... 1240 00:52:27,277 --> 00:52:28,870 more like a brotherhood thing going on. 1241 00:52:28,912 --> 00:52:30,710 Like, I could talk to him 1242 00:52:30,747 --> 00:52:32,716 like I'm talking to one of my first cousins. 1243 00:52:32,749 --> 00:52:35,514 Baron would call us on a Tuesday and say, "Your money's here." 1244 00:52:35,552 --> 00:52:36,918 And it went like clockwork. 1245 00:52:39,156 --> 00:52:41,523 I'm stunned at the shit I'm getting involved in. 1246 00:52:41,558 --> 00:52:42,617 It's surreal to me. 1247 00:52:42,659 --> 00:52:44,321 I'm, like, almost outside my body. 1248 00:52:46,696 --> 00:52:49,359 A month ago, two months ago, I was a regular cop, 1249 00:52:49,399 --> 00:52:51,197 and now I'm a criminal. 1250 00:52:57,641 --> 00:53:01,237 Lot of plannings for the robberies would begin 1251 00:53:01,278 --> 00:53:04,646 with me and Mike talking about it in the patrol car. 1252 00:53:04,681 --> 00:53:07,776 "Talked to Adam. Adam wants us to hit this spot. 1253 00:53:07,817 --> 00:53:09,251 How do you think we should find out about it?" 1254 00:53:09,286 --> 00:53:11,755 We throw ideas back and forth. "Uh, let's send Chicky in." 1255 00:53:11,788 --> 00:53:15,316 We all meet in a certain place, in a certain bar, 1256 00:53:15,358 --> 00:53:17,224 and we figure out what we wanted to do 1257 00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:19,559 and what we had heard and what we had saw, and... 1258 00:53:19,596 --> 00:53:20,655 We started to get the reports 1259 00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:22,461 from wherever Narcotics had been. 1260 00:53:22,499 --> 00:53:25,435 If Narcotics went to a building or a location, 1261 00:53:25,468 --> 00:53:27,437 we would start to stake out the location. 1262 00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:29,530 Tried to figure out, okay, when the money was coming in, 1263 00:53:29,573 --> 00:53:30,573 when it was going out, 1264 00:53:30,574 --> 00:53:32,736 who was coming in, who was going out. 1265 00:53:32,776 --> 00:53:35,211 Who's the same guy we keep seeing all the time? 1266 00:53:35,245 --> 00:53:37,680 Pull him over. Pat him down. 1267 00:53:37,714 --> 00:53:39,649 "I see you here all the time. What are you doing here?" 1268 00:53:39,683 --> 00:53:40,683 "Oh, no." 1269 00:53:40,684 --> 00:53:42,380 "It says you live in Queens. This is Brooklyn. 1270 00:53:42,419 --> 00:53:43,910 "What are you doing? You visiting somebody? 1271 00:53:43,954 --> 00:53:45,820 "There's not a house around for blocks. 1272 00:53:45,855 --> 00:53:47,346 What are you doing?" 1273 00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:48,390 Stuff like that. 1274 00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:51,384 We would check it out first, hit it later. 1275 00:53:51,428 --> 00:53:55,365 Mike had a friend in the police precinct. 1276 00:53:55,398 --> 00:53:56,398 Tall guy... 1277 00:53:56,399 --> 00:53:58,766 his fucking hands are like three of my hands. 1278 00:53:59,903 --> 00:54:01,667 Uh, yeah, Walter. 1279 00:54:01,705 --> 00:54:03,799 Fucking big guy, huge guy. 1280 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:04,967 Motherfucker's big. 1281 00:54:05,008 --> 00:54:07,375 Walter's a madman. 1282 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:09,641 Just straight-up adrenaline. 1283 00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:11,614 Go through the window, go through the door, 1284 00:54:11,648 --> 00:54:12,946 didn't bother. 1285 00:54:12,983 --> 00:54:15,680 Straight-up madman. 1286 00:54:17,354 --> 00:54:20,984 Michael liked the idea of me being around 1287 00:54:21,024 --> 00:54:22,754 because I was a big fucking guy. 1288 00:54:22,792 --> 00:54:24,784 6'5", 290 pounds. 1289 00:54:24,828 --> 00:54:27,263 I'd break your fucking neck if your neck needed breaking. 1290 00:54:27,297 --> 00:54:30,825 The first time I saw Walter, I said to myself, "Bad." 1291 00:54:30,867 --> 00:54:33,928 We liked to have coverage: 1292 00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:35,905 cops working and cops off duty. 1293 00:54:35,939 --> 00:54:38,602 We could put these things together where we were on duty, 1294 00:54:38,642 --> 00:54:39,803 and if the police got called, 1295 00:54:39,843 --> 00:54:41,778 we'd be the responding police team. 1296 00:54:41,811 --> 00:54:43,507 We put it all together, 1297 00:54:43,546 --> 00:54:45,811 and then, um, we hit the place. 1298 00:54:45,849 --> 00:54:48,045 You walk in like you own the fucking place. 1299 00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:49,285 Everybody on the floor now! 1300 00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:50,379 Fucking do what I tell you! 1301 00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:51,786 Shut the fuck up! 1302 00:54:51,821 --> 00:54:53,483 You knock somebody down, you know, 1303 00:54:53,523 --> 00:54:55,424 you put a gun to his fucking head, 1304 00:54:55,458 --> 00:54:56,892 you fire a shot over his fucking head... 1305 00:54:56,926 --> 00:54:58,292 that's an attention-getter. 1306 00:54:58,328 --> 00:54:59,591 Mikey's just crazy. 1307 00:54:59,629 --> 00:55:01,359 He'll do what he wants, when he wants, 1308 00:55:01,398 --> 00:55:02,889 and where he wants to do it. 1309 00:55:02,932 --> 00:55:04,332 Michael's favorite line was, 1310 00:55:04,367 --> 00:55:06,836 "What the fuck are you doing with my money?" 1311 00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:09,396 They put everyone on the floor, fucking take their money, 1312 00:55:09,439 --> 00:55:10,839 take their drugs. 1313 00:55:10,874 --> 00:55:12,809 Hell, man, it's all fucking police tactics. 1314 00:55:12,842 --> 00:55:14,674 That's what they taught us in the police academy. 1315 00:55:14,711 --> 00:55:16,680 Same way you were taught... got a guy in the front, 1316 00:55:16,713 --> 00:55:18,648 guy in the back, got an entry team. 1317 00:55:18,682 --> 00:55:20,310 They trained us to see things, 1318 00:55:20,350 --> 00:55:23,320 make sure you're safe and your partner is safe. 1319 00:55:23,353 --> 00:55:24,946 And if all that works, 1320 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:28,015 you walk out of there with the bag full of fucking money 1321 00:55:28,058 --> 00:55:30,823 and the four or five people that you left behind saying, 1322 00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:32,453 "What the fuck just happened?" 1323 00:55:32,495 --> 00:55:33,495 There's plenty of times 1324 00:55:33,496 --> 00:55:35,761 where we had to basically knock people out. 1325 00:55:35,799 --> 00:55:37,825 There's times where we had to beat people. 1326 00:55:37,867 --> 00:55:39,597 We weren't leaving there empty-handed. 1327 00:55:43,373 --> 00:55:44,373 No. 1328 00:55:46,376 --> 00:55:47,935 Well, they just lost 50 grand in drug money 1329 00:55:47,977 --> 00:55:48,977 and five kilos of cocaine. 1330 00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:51,572 what are they gonna report? 1331 00:55:51,614 --> 00:55:54,812 Guys knew if they ratted us out... 1332 00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:56,911 wouldn't be pretty. 1333 00:55:56,953 --> 00:55:57,977 Not gonna say... sit here and say 1334 00:55:58,021 --> 00:55:59,489 that we would kill somebody or something, 1335 00:55:59,522 --> 00:56:01,423 but these guys knew not to fuck with us. 1336 00:56:03,526 --> 00:56:05,961 So he went in there, fucking put everybody on the floor, 1337 00:56:05,995 --> 00:56:07,793 guns in the fucking air, 1338 00:56:07,831 --> 00:56:09,732 fucking... 1339 00:56:09,766 --> 00:56:10,859 kicked ass. 1340 00:56:23,413 --> 00:56:25,905 This guy named Franklin... 1341 00:56:25,949 --> 00:56:29,147 fucking dopehead fucking asshole. 1342 00:56:29,386 --> 00:56:32,515 It was him and... the guy's name is Coke. 1343 00:56:32,555 --> 00:56:34,547 This guy got a fucking Uzi, nine-millimeter... 1344 00:56:34,591 --> 00:56:37,720 all kinds of fucking weapons. 1345 00:56:37,761 --> 00:56:39,957 Elvis is ready, closing up this place. 1346 00:56:39,996 --> 00:56:42,431 He had to put all the money together and bag it up, 1347 00:56:42,465 --> 00:56:44,525 $10,000 a package. 1348 00:56:44,567 --> 00:56:46,001 All of a sudden, 1349 00:56:46,035 --> 00:56:49,699 Franklin and Coke come and stick up the place... 1350 00:56:49,739 --> 00:56:51,105 stick up Elvis, 1351 00:56:51,141 --> 00:56:53,576 stick up 14 of my guys. 1352 00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:55,738 So we heard a commotion on the stairs, 1353 00:56:55,779 --> 00:56:58,078 and we saw Franklin. 1354 00:56:58,114 --> 00:57:01,846 And the guy put a Magnum.44 right on the back of my head. 1355 00:57:01,885 --> 00:57:03,979 The room went quiet, 1356 00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:07,787 because I was just waiting for that pop. 1357 00:57:07,824 --> 00:57:11,522 Meanwhile, they were just taking everything. 1358 00:57:11,561 --> 00:57:14,861 It was Christmastime. 1359 00:57:14,898 --> 00:57:16,867 I was so fucking embarrassed. 1360 00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:19,028 How the fuck... I have people with guns and everything, 1361 00:57:19,068 --> 00:57:21,936 and these guys made it through. 1362 00:57:21,971 --> 00:57:24,805 Went all the way upstairs to the third floor. 1363 00:57:24,841 --> 00:57:27,675 Franklin is a fucking guy who has a drug habit, 1364 00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:28,734 who don't fucking see no danger. 1365 00:57:28,778 --> 00:57:31,179 He don't give a shit. 1366 00:57:31,214 --> 00:57:32,443 He goes to talk to the guy 1367 00:57:32,482 --> 00:57:34,713 who's backing up my door in front of the building, 1368 00:57:34,751 --> 00:57:37,016 and he grabs the guy in the door and say, 1369 00:57:37,053 --> 00:57:38,521 "Open the fucking door. 1370 00:57:38,555 --> 00:57:41,047 I'm going upstairs." 1371 00:57:41,090 --> 00:57:44,583 The guy opens the fucking door. 1372 00:57:44,627 --> 00:57:48,189 You open the fucking door, everybody else is in danger. 1373 00:57:48,231 --> 00:57:50,860 See, that's the difference between real guys 1374 00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:54,166 and a fucking pussy guy. 1375 00:57:54,204 --> 00:57:56,230 I would never open that door. 1376 00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:58,465 Kill me. I'm not opening that door. 1377 00:58:02,612 --> 00:58:04,604 Phew, wow... 1378 00:58:04,647 --> 00:58:08,049 Got to be $700,000, something. 1379 00:58:08,084 --> 00:58:09,609 I'm not worried about the money. 1380 00:58:09,652 --> 00:58:11,678 That ain't shit to me. 1381 00:58:11,721 --> 00:58:13,952 My problem is, they making my spot hot 1382 00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:15,754 'cause they started shooting to the air, 1383 00:58:15,792 --> 00:58:17,920 so the cops came. 1384 00:58:17,961 --> 00:58:20,226 I told Mike and Kenny, 1385 00:58:20,263 --> 00:58:23,256 "I have a lot of money for you to find this motherfucker, 1386 00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:27,494 "and just fucking put him in the car, and call me. 1387 00:58:27,537 --> 00:58:28,903 I'll take care of the rest." 1388 00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:33,203 Me and Mike, we're off; we're gone. 1389 00:58:33,243 --> 00:58:34,643 We're out looking for Franklin. 1390 00:58:34,677 --> 00:58:36,111 Now we got to get our product back. 1391 00:58:36,145 --> 00:58:37,145 That's our product. 1392 00:58:37,146 --> 00:58:38,546 This guy was pissing off our boss, 1393 00:58:38,581 --> 00:58:40,641 as far as we were concerned. 1394 00:58:40,683 --> 00:58:42,618 Within, like, six or seven days, 1395 00:58:42,652 --> 00:58:44,587 Kenny and I found him, pulled him over. 1396 00:58:49,759 --> 00:58:50,818 Yeah, he did. 1397 00:58:54,664 --> 00:58:55,664 Um... 1398 00:58:55,665 --> 00:58:58,157 he's not around anymore. 1399 00:58:58,201 --> 00:59:00,170 Now, I'm not saying I killed him. 1400 00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:02,069 He's not around anymore. 1401 00:59:21,724 --> 00:59:24,626 Who did you consider to be your primary employer, in fact, 1402 00:59:24,661 --> 00:59:26,027 at this point, Mr. Dowd: 1403 00:59:26,062 --> 00:59:29,032 the department who gave you your shield 1404 00:59:29,065 --> 00:59:30,089 or the drug traffickers 1405 00:59:30,133 --> 00:59:31,999 who were willing to pay you because of it? 1406 00:59:51,854 --> 00:59:53,117 The money itself, it was... 1407 00:59:53,156 --> 00:59:55,648 it was flowing nicely there for quite some time. 1408 00:59:55,692 --> 00:59:57,183 Every week, on time, 1409 00:59:57,226 --> 01:00:00,788 $8,000 is waiting for us at Baron's shop. 1410 01:00:00,830 --> 01:00:02,662 So we planned trips around Atlantic City, 1411 01:00:02,699 --> 01:00:04,133 stopped there with a limousine, 1412 01:00:04,167 --> 01:00:05,167 and picked it up on the way... 1413 01:00:05,168 --> 01:00:07,933 me, my wife; Mike and his wife, Bonnie; 1414 01:00:07,971 --> 01:00:08,971 Chicky and his wife. 1415 01:00:08,972 --> 01:00:10,736 They were counting money in the backseat. 1416 01:00:10,773 --> 01:00:11,900 The girls were all excited. 1417 01:00:11,941 --> 01:00:14,206 So it really made you feel like, you know, 1418 01:00:14,243 --> 01:00:15,768 you're there... you've arrived. 1419 01:00:15,812 --> 01:00:18,304 Um, my lifestyle was pretty good. 1420 01:00:18,348 --> 01:00:21,216 Trips, jewelry, vacations... 1421 01:00:21,250 --> 01:00:22,250 life was good. 1422 01:00:22,285 --> 01:00:23,285 We were rolling. 1423 01:00:23,286 --> 01:00:25,721 How important was that New York City paycheck to you 1424 01:00:25,755 --> 01:00:26,755 at this time? 1425 01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:29,190 Well, I used to forget to pick it up. 1426 01:00:29,225 --> 01:00:30,853 Paycheck goes into the bank. 1427 01:00:30,893 --> 01:00:33,362 Your paycheck pays all your regular utility bills, 1428 01:00:33,396 --> 01:00:34,921 your mortgage, anything like that. 1429 01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:38,264 And I had a loan on my Lincoln. 1430 01:00:38,301 --> 01:00:40,327 There was no reason not to have payments, 1431 01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:42,339 because I had cash to spend on everything else. 1432 01:00:42,372 --> 01:00:46,036 A vacation, furniture, appliances 1433 01:00:46,075 --> 01:00:47,407 you pay for in cash. 1434 01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:50,808 Kenny and Michael's experiences 1435 01:00:50,847 --> 01:00:52,782 just brought them closer and closer together. 1436 01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:55,080 Thought of him as my brother, my best friend. 1437 01:00:55,118 --> 01:00:56,211 Like many good partnerships, 1438 01:00:56,252 --> 01:00:57,379 you have to have a yin and a yang. 1439 01:00:57,420 --> 01:01:00,652 You can't have two exact same personalities. 1440 01:01:00,690 --> 01:01:01,988 You always let someone take the lead. 1441 01:01:02,025 --> 01:01:03,391 He let me, and he did the paperwork. 1442 01:01:03,426 --> 01:01:05,952 He's rock solid with the numbers. 1443 01:01:05,995 --> 01:01:09,864 Kenny writes down every lottery number. 1444 01:01:09,899 --> 01:01:12,198 Every Sunday, he writes down the lottery numbers. 1445 01:01:12,235 --> 01:01:13,999 Does he play the lottery? 1446 01:01:14,037 --> 01:01:16,302 No, no. 1447 01:01:16,339 --> 01:01:18,433 I have notebooks. 1448 01:01:18,675 --> 01:01:20,667 He kept things straight, 1449 01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:26,013 because Mike was in so many different directions. 1450 01:01:26,049 --> 01:01:28,280 At this point, I had been drinking quite a bit. 1451 01:01:28,317 --> 01:01:30,047 They were like brothers. 1452 01:01:30,086 --> 01:01:31,179 I would say husband and wife, 1453 01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:36,386 because Michael literally took my husband out of my bed 1454 01:01:36,426 --> 01:01:41,057 for, sometimes, no other reason than Michael needed to drink. 1455 01:01:42,065 --> 01:01:44,694 What about your lifestyle at this point, Mr. Dowd? 1456 01:01:44,734 --> 01:01:46,999 Could you tell the commissioners and the public 1457 01:01:47,036 --> 01:01:50,097 what kind of car you were driving around this time? 1458 01:01:50,139 --> 01:01:51,869 Uh, '87 Corvette. 1459 01:01:51,908 --> 01:01:54,036 I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing? 1460 01:01:54,077 --> 01:01:55,443 "We're making $600 a week. 1461 01:01:55,478 --> 01:01:57,140 You can't afford a brand-new Corvette." 1462 01:01:57,180 --> 01:02:00,776 "Michael, don't ever, ever bring that car to the precinct." 1463 01:02:00,817 --> 01:02:02,479 "Don't drive this fucking car to the precinct." 1464 01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:05,086 The next day, he brought that car to the precinct. 1465 01:02:06,756 --> 01:02:08,952 The reason I drove the Corvette to work 1466 01:02:08,991 --> 01:02:10,857 was, my wife and I had a deal. 1467 01:02:10,893 --> 01:02:13,124 Two weeks of the month, she gets the Corvette; 1468 01:02:13,162 --> 01:02:14,960 two weeks of the month, I get the Corvette. 1469 01:02:14,997 --> 01:02:16,863 It happened to be my two-week period 1470 01:02:16,899 --> 01:02:18,731 where I had no other car at the time. 1471 01:02:18,768 --> 01:02:22,728 So it was either drive her car, which... 1472 01:02:22,772 --> 01:02:23,772 I didn't have a car. 1473 01:02:23,773 --> 01:02:25,765 I give it to Kenny. 1474 01:02:25,808 --> 01:02:28,277 It takes a lot of fucking man 1475 01:02:28,311 --> 01:02:31,042 to deal with this fucking guy all day long in that car. 1476 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,276 Mike was fucking nuts. 1477 01:02:35,384 --> 01:02:37,080 I trusted Kenny implicitly. 1478 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,056 I knew that he would go against his own friends for me. 1479 01:02:40,089 --> 01:02:42,524 Many aspects of gaining and building 1480 01:02:42,759 --> 01:02:43,818 that trust and that bond 1481 01:02:43,860 --> 01:02:45,260 just continued on a daily basis, 1482 01:02:45,294 --> 01:02:49,254 and we never, one time, said no to one another. 1483 01:02:49,298 --> 01:02:50,766 Without Kenny, 1484 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,167 he wouldn't function. 1485 01:02:53,202 --> 01:02:54,295 You know what I mean? 1486 01:02:54,337 --> 01:02:56,897 But if Kenny would bring a whole bunch of cops and say, 1487 01:02:56,939 --> 01:02:58,271 "Adam, forget about Mike; 1488 01:02:58,307 --> 01:02:59,935 these are the guys that are working with me," 1489 01:02:59,976 --> 01:03:02,445 I would say no. 1490 01:03:02,478 --> 01:03:04,174 Without Mike, you're not welcome. 1491 01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:23,465 We were the best backup team in the precinct. 1492 01:03:23,499 --> 01:03:24,990 If shit went down 1493 01:03:25,034 --> 01:03:26,935 and you saw Kenny and me pull up, 1494 01:03:26,969 --> 01:03:28,335 your life came back into your hands. 1495 01:03:28,371 --> 01:03:30,306 The blood started to flow back through your body again, 1496 01:03:30,339 --> 01:03:31,932 'cause they knew they were safe. 1497 01:03:34,477 --> 01:03:36,343 One thing we did was always looked out 1498 01:03:36,379 --> 01:03:37,540 for the other cops around us. 1499 01:03:39,582 --> 01:03:42,279 So one night, Kenny and I were doing a 4:00 to 12:00. 1500 01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:47,247 Some cops had a major armed robbery situation go down. 1501 01:03:47,290 --> 01:03:48,815 Kenny and I showed up. 1502 01:03:48,858 --> 01:03:50,451 We shanghaied the perp, put him in the car. 1503 01:03:50,493 --> 01:03:52,860 We were, like, a block and a half from the precinct 1504 01:03:52,895 --> 01:03:55,888 to drop off the prisoner at the precinct. 1505 01:03:55,932 --> 01:04:00,370 In that time, call comes over the radio. 1506 01:04:00,403 --> 01:04:02,395 And we hear, "10-13, shots fired." 1507 01:04:02,438 --> 01:04:05,966 A live call come over the air... not a 911 call. 1508 01:04:06,008 --> 01:04:09,103 A cop yelling into the radio, screaming for his life. 1509 01:04:09,145 --> 01:04:11,944 "10-10 shots fired, 10-13." 1510 01:04:11,981 --> 01:04:14,348 And you hear the gunfire going off in the background. 1511 01:04:14,383 --> 01:04:18,479 And it's maybe four blocks from where the precinct is. 1512 01:04:18,521 --> 01:04:19,887 Tell the perp, "Get out. 1513 01:04:19,922 --> 01:04:22,892 Just fucking get out. Get out of the car." 1514 01:04:22,925 --> 01:04:24,894 And headed over to Bradford and Pitkin. 1515 01:04:24,927 --> 01:04:25,951 We race off. 1516 01:04:25,995 --> 01:04:27,258 We're the first ones on the scene. 1517 01:04:27,296 --> 01:04:29,026 I think I was, like, third... 1518 01:04:29,065 --> 01:04:31,261 third car on the scene. 1519 01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:32,598 You hear rounds popping off. 1520 01:04:32,635 --> 01:04:34,035 I don't know where they're coming from 1521 01:04:34,070 --> 01:04:35,265 or where they're going. 1522 01:04:35,304 --> 01:04:36,533 As soon as we pull up, 1523 01:04:36,572 --> 01:04:38,234 you know, we're down, we open up the doors, 1524 01:04:38,274 --> 01:04:42,041 and the fucking shots are just going off. 1525 01:04:42,078 --> 01:04:43,478 And the eeriest sight of your life. 1526 01:04:43,512 --> 01:04:45,344 There's a cop in uniform... happened to be 1527 01:04:45,381 --> 01:04:47,976 a Transit Police Department sergeant in uniform. 1528 01:04:48,017 --> 01:04:50,509 And he's carrying this fucking guy... 1529 01:04:50,553 --> 01:04:51,553 guy was huge. 1530 01:04:51,554 --> 01:04:53,022 He's carrying him in his arms like this, 1531 01:04:53,055 --> 01:04:55,047 walking down the street. 1532 01:04:55,091 --> 01:04:56,923 We still smell the fucking gunpowder... 1533 01:04:59,629 --> 01:05:01,154 But all I see is a guy with a body in his hand, 1534 01:05:01,197 --> 01:05:03,632 and he goes, "He's a cop." 1535 01:05:03,666 --> 01:05:06,329 So, you know, we don't wait for ambulances when it's... 1536 01:05:06,369 --> 01:05:08,065 when the police get shot; fuck that. 1537 01:05:08,104 --> 01:05:10,437 Throw him in the back of our patrol car. 1538 01:05:10,473 --> 01:05:11,634 Guy's legs are sticking out of the car. 1539 01:05:11,674 --> 01:05:13,267 He was a big guy. 1540 01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:14,937 And Mike takes off, 1541 01:05:14,977 --> 01:05:17,139 and I get on the radio telling Central 1542 01:05:17,179 --> 01:05:20,343 that we're transporting the cop shot to, 1543 01:05:20,383 --> 01:05:21,578 um, Brookdale Hospital. 1544 01:05:21,617 --> 01:05:23,279 To get this guy from Pitkin Avenue 1545 01:05:23,319 --> 01:05:26,483 to Brookdale Hospital was maybe five, six minutes. 1546 01:05:26,522 --> 01:05:29,424 Pitkin to Penn to Linden to Brookdale. 1547 01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:31,017 I'm on my way. 1548 01:05:31,060 --> 01:05:33,291 I'm fucking flying now... 1549 01:05:33,329 --> 01:05:36,094 lights, no sirens, 1550 01:05:36,132 --> 01:05:37,361 and I'm fucking... 1551 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,595 I'm trying to close the door. 1552 01:05:38,634 --> 01:05:41,069 "Have them stand by. He was shot in the head." 1553 01:05:41,103 --> 01:05:43,265 He's got a fucking hole in the middle of his head. 1554 01:05:49,145 --> 01:05:51,137 We're screaming over the radio, 1555 01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:54,582 "Get somebody at Brookdale Hospital 1556 01:05:54,617 --> 01:05:56,313 to call and tell them we're bringing"... 1557 01:06:02,658 --> 01:06:04,593 "We're bringing in a wounded cop." 1558 01:06:14,570 --> 01:06:16,630 A New York City Transit officer was killed last night 1559 01:06:16,672 --> 01:06:19,506 in a spray of bullets from automatic weapons. 1560 01:06:19,542 --> 01:06:22,535 Transit police officer Robert Venable, age 35, 1561 01:06:22,578 --> 01:06:25,070 on the job with an undercover unit. 1562 01:06:45,234 --> 01:06:46,532 I was hit with a lot of guilt 1563 01:06:46,569 --> 01:06:49,368 after Officer Venable was killed. 1564 01:06:49,405 --> 01:06:51,340 I wanted to feel the pain, 1565 01:06:51,374 --> 01:06:52,774 and I did feel the pain for him, 1566 01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:56,309 but I had that sense of shame mixed in with pain, 1567 01:06:56,345 --> 01:07:00,248 that I really don't deserve to share that pain with him 1568 01:07:00,282 --> 01:07:02,683 because I'm not... I wasn't loyal. 1569 01:07:02,718 --> 01:07:06,211 And you know, when they kill a cop, how it is. 1570 01:07:06,255 --> 01:07:10,215 Mike was so depressed about the whole fucking deal. 1571 01:07:13,562 --> 01:07:16,430 When that shit happened, he said, "Adam, 1572 01:07:16,465 --> 01:07:21,301 "I need you to find out who the fuck did this shit. 1573 01:07:21,337 --> 01:07:23,499 "Man, help me out. 1574 01:07:23,539 --> 01:07:25,269 I need to find this shit out." 1575 01:07:25,307 --> 01:07:27,799 But I can't do it. I just couldn't do it. 1576 01:07:28,044 --> 01:07:30,343 If Kenny gets shot, 1577 01:07:30,379 --> 01:07:32,541 fucking I'll find the guy. 1578 01:07:32,581 --> 01:07:34,413 I'll take care of him. 1579 01:07:34,450 --> 01:07:37,079 Or Chicky gets shot, 1580 01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:39,281 I'll fucking find the guy, take his balls out... 1581 01:07:39,321 --> 01:07:40,321 cut them off. 1582 01:07:40,322 --> 01:07:41,688 No problem. 1583 01:07:41,724 --> 01:07:43,556 It's a pleasure. 1584 01:07:43,592 --> 01:07:46,391 But someone I don't know? 1585 01:07:46,429 --> 01:07:47,429 No way. 1586 01:07:58,207 --> 01:08:00,676 You get worked up telling these stories, you know? 1587 01:08:06,649 --> 01:08:08,675 I cried over it many times, you know? 1588 01:08:08,717 --> 01:08:11,653 I did my... I did my crying. 1589 01:08:11,687 --> 01:08:13,519 And here I was fucking saving drug dealers 1590 01:08:13,556 --> 01:08:14,580 at one end of the precinct 1591 01:08:14,623 --> 01:08:17,787 and chasing them at the other. 1592 01:08:17,827 --> 01:08:19,693 He's trying to say that he's... 1593 01:08:19,728 --> 01:08:22,323 that he did something to help Officer Venable, 1594 01:08:22,364 --> 01:08:23,388 that he did, you know... 1595 01:08:23,432 --> 01:08:25,367 he just happened to be there. 1596 01:08:25,401 --> 01:08:26,630 That's all that was. 1597 01:08:26,669 --> 01:08:28,535 Well, he talked about that like he was a real cop 1598 01:08:28,571 --> 01:08:30,563 because he... he took the, uh... 1599 01:08:30,606 --> 01:08:32,666 yeah... 1600 01:08:32,708 --> 01:08:33,732 no. 1601 01:08:40,382 --> 01:08:45,252 So, Mr. Dowd, let me ask the question another way. 1602 01:08:45,287 --> 01:08:49,156 Did you consider yourself to be a New York City cop 1603 01:08:49,191 --> 01:08:50,591 or a drug trafficker? 1604 01:09:01,137 --> 01:09:03,265 Well, it's, uh... 1605 01:09:03,305 --> 01:09:04,466 both. 1606 01:09:13,883 --> 01:09:17,843 We have this informant in talking to us. 1607 01:09:17,887 --> 01:09:21,483 He's giving us really good information. 1608 01:09:21,524 --> 01:09:23,356 I said, "Just, you know, no lies, 1609 01:09:23,392 --> 01:09:24,690 and tell us everything." 1610 01:09:24,727 --> 01:09:27,788 And he said, "You don't want to know everything." 1611 01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:29,162 And I said, "What do you mean? 1612 01:09:29,198 --> 01:09:31,326 Like, you know, of course I want to hear everything." 1613 01:09:31,367 --> 01:09:33,199 And he said, "No, you don't want to hear everything, Joe, 1614 01:09:33,235 --> 01:09:35,170 because I'm talking about boys in blue." 1615 01:09:37,206 --> 01:09:38,799 And you hear that a lot 1616 01:09:38,841 --> 01:09:40,309 when you're working drug cases... 1617 01:09:40,342 --> 01:09:41,674 "Oh, they got cops working for them," 1618 01:09:41,710 --> 01:09:43,804 and a lot of times, it's just pure nonsense. 1619 01:09:43,846 --> 01:09:45,712 It's the leadership of the organization 1620 01:09:45,748 --> 01:09:47,808 spreading rumors that "We got cops working for us." 1621 01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:50,251 It sort of keeps everybody worried 1622 01:09:50,286 --> 01:09:54,621 that if they cooperate, they'll find out about it. 1623 01:09:54,657 --> 01:09:58,253 I had no reason to think that the information wasn't good, 1624 01:09:58,294 --> 01:10:00,229 because he's been good to this point. 1625 01:10:00,262 --> 01:10:04,222 Why... you know, why start lying about something like this? 1626 01:10:04,266 --> 01:10:06,565 And he says, "Oh, no, he's got a cop working for him." 1627 01:10:06,602 --> 01:10:08,537 And he says, "It's Mike the cop, 1628 01:10:08,571 --> 01:10:11,905 and he drives a red Corvette." 1629 01:10:11,941 --> 01:10:13,603 I felt like, "Fuck," you know? 1630 01:10:13,642 --> 01:10:16,544 Like, here, you know, it's... it's a... 1631 01:10:16,579 --> 01:10:17,877 Job was great to me... I love the job. 1632 01:10:17,913 --> 01:10:20,314 You know, you hate to hear these kind of things. 1633 01:10:20,349 --> 01:10:21,908 So we call Internal Affairs and say, 1634 01:10:21,951 --> 01:10:23,749 "Hey, Mike the cop. 1635 01:10:23,786 --> 01:10:25,345 Drives a red Corvette." 1636 01:10:25,387 --> 01:10:28,221 And they go, "Okay, we've got it." 1637 01:10:28,257 --> 01:10:31,318 I have these cases from the Seven Five 1638 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,626 that the commanding officer has made me combine 1639 01:10:34,663 --> 01:10:36,529 into one investigation, 1640 01:10:36,565 --> 01:10:41,265 and it involves Dowd and his crew. 1641 01:10:41,303 --> 01:10:45,536 So I went to the 75th Precinct to obtain documents, 1642 01:10:45,574 --> 01:10:47,475 parked my car in the rear yard, 1643 01:10:47,509 --> 01:10:50,968 and as I was beginning to walk in, 1644 01:10:51,013 --> 01:10:55,451 Police Officer Dowd is walking out the back door. 1645 01:10:55,484 --> 01:10:59,683 I look him square as I'm walking by him, 1646 01:10:59,722 --> 01:11:04,456 and the feeling that I get is, perp. 1647 01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:05,688 But the guy's in uniform. 1648 01:11:05,728 --> 01:11:08,027 He's a cop. 1649 01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:10,859 I'm having a problem reconciling this. 1650 01:11:10,899 --> 01:11:13,994 The feeling that I get is, perp. 1651 01:11:18,774 --> 01:11:22,677 What I begin to do is observations... 1652 01:11:22,711 --> 01:11:24,043 following them on duty, 1653 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,545 following them off duty. 1654 01:11:26,582 --> 01:11:29,848 And it's a very precarious thing to do. 1655 01:11:29,885 --> 01:11:32,286 Remember, they're cops. 1656 01:11:32,321 --> 01:11:35,052 If you're going to follow somebody, 1657 01:11:35,291 --> 01:11:37,624 you have to try to do it, obviously, 1658 01:11:37,660 --> 01:11:40,323 without them knowing that you're doing it. 1659 01:11:40,362 --> 01:11:42,297 And it's not like TV... 1660 01:11:42,331 --> 01:11:44,300 you know, the guy pulls out of the parking space 1661 01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:46,029 and you're three car lengths behind them 1662 01:11:46,068 --> 01:11:47,559 and they never see you there. 1663 01:11:47,603 --> 01:11:50,664 Yeah, it just doesn't happen like that. 1664 01:11:50,706 --> 01:11:53,972 Michael Dowd had a red Corvette. 1665 01:11:54,009 --> 01:11:56,478 He would pull out of the Seven Five Precinct, 1666 01:11:56,512 --> 01:11:59,072 and he'd run every red light, 1667 01:11:59,315 --> 01:12:01,944 looking into the mirror the entire time. 1668 01:12:01,984 --> 01:12:04,954 So you have to devise another way of doing it. 1669 01:12:04,987 --> 01:12:06,819 You don't start out at the precinct; 1670 01:12:06,855 --> 01:12:08,585 you may start out on the conduit, 1671 01:12:08,624 --> 01:12:10,786 so he can run all those lights and see nobody, 1672 01:12:10,826 --> 01:12:13,352 and then you're gonna pick him up on the Belt Parkway 1673 01:12:13,395 --> 01:12:15,864 or the Southern State. 1674 01:12:15,898 --> 01:12:17,799 Catching a cop 1675 01:12:17,833 --> 01:12:20,667 by another cop is heartbreaking. 1676 01:12:20,703 --> 01:12:24,435 If you're a cop and you took that oath, 1677 01:12:24,473 --> 01:12:26,942 it means everything to you 1678 01:12:26,975 --> 01:12:31,709 that you represent and that you're correct. 1679 01:12:31,747 --> 01:12:34,012 When you take this job, you raise your hand. 1680 01:12:34,049 --> 01:12:35,608 You take an oath. 1681 01:12:35,651 --> 01:12:40,555 You say, "I will give my life to save complete strangers." 1682 01:12:40,589 --> 01:12:42,956 And to Michael Dowd, that meant nothing. 1683 01:12:42,991 --> 01:12:46,553 Wasn't like you were hurting "people." 1684 01:12:46,595 --> 01:12:49,656 You're hurting a fucking scumbag drug dealer. 1685 01:12:49,698 --> 01:12:52,429 Do you know what kind of pain and suffering 1686 01:12:52,468 --> 01:12:54,937 that money caused on the streets? 1687 01:12:54,970 --> 01:12:57,906 Do you know how many people's lives were ruined 1688 01:12:57,940 --> 01:13:01,001 by the drugs that that money bought? 1689 01:13:01,043 --> 01:13:03,012 In New York, drugs were blamed 1690 01:13:03,045 --> 01:13:05,037 in last week's slaying of a New York City patrolman. 1691 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,106 Bodies of a mother and her two children 1692 01:13:07,149 --> 01:13:09,015 were found wrapped in sheets and blankets. 1693 01:13:09,051 --> 01:13:10,110 The victims were tied up 1694 01:13:10,152 --> 01:13:11,677 and either shot to death or strangled. 1695 01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,780 Drugs may have been involved in yesterday's massacre 1696 01:13:13,822 --> 01:13:15,814 of ten people in a Brooklyn home. 1697 01:13:15,858 --> 01:13:18,123 This was East New York, Crown Heights, 1698 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,459 Bedford-Stuyvesant... 1699 01:13:20,496 --> 01:13:22,624 all low-income areas. 1700 01:13:22,664 --> 01:13:24,565 People that were suffering enough 1701 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,933 for a whole lot of reasons, 1702 01:13:26,969 --> 01:13:29,632 they depend upon us to keep it safe for them 1703 01:13:29,671 --> 01:13:33,108 to just do the common, everyday thing. 1704 01:13:33,142 --> 01:13:39,139 Now I have cops making it possible 1705 01:13:39,181 --> 01:13:44,017 for this poison to get onto the streets, 1706 01:13:44,052 --> 01:13:46,681 to destroy people's lives, 1707 01:13:46,722 --> 01:13:49,453 to destroy entire neighborhoods. 1708 01:13:53,462 --> 01:13:54,691 Pfft. 1709 01:13:54,730 --> 01:13:57,097 Top of the line. 1710 01:13:57,132 --> 01:13:58,998 All the way to the fucking captain. 1711 01:14:01,837 --> 01:14:04,830 I used to carry a radio so I could listen 1712 01:14:04,873 --> 01:14:06,205 to who was doing what. 1713 01:14:07,976 --> 01:14:11,936 Aside from Dowd, Eurell, and Yurkiw, 1714 01:14:11,980 --> 01:14:15,109 there wound up being, honest to God, 1715 01:14:15,150 --> 01:14:18,552 25, 30 people. 1716 01:14:18,587 --> 01:14:22,149 Michael Dowd is definitely the brains of the operation. 1717 01:14:29,832 --> 01:14:31,960 We started to look for other avenues to make money. 1718 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,461 We decided to distribute cocaine out on Long Island. 1719 01:14:36,505 --> 01:14:38,997 We were purchasing large amounts of cocaine 1720 01:14:39,041 --> 01:14:42,910 from Baron Perez and Adam Diaz. 1721 01:14:42,945 --> 01:14:45,107 We used to stop at my house on the way home 1722 01:14:45,147 --> 01:14:46,581 to drop off the coke. 1723 01:14:46,615 --> 01:14:48,948 It was, like, huge bricks 1724 01:14:48,984 --> 01:14:53,217 of glimmering, primo cocaine 1725 01:14:53,255 --> 01:14:54,255 in my kitchen. 1726 01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:56,959 My wife was disgusted, disappointed... 1727 01:14:56,992 --> 01:14:58,483 you know, "We got enough money. 1728 01:14:58,527 --> 01:14:59,893 We don't need to be doing this." 1729 01:14:59,928 --> 01:15:03,592 "Please, please stop." 1730 01:15:03,632 --> 01:15:05,624 At this point, we had some nice cash sitting around, 1731 01:15:05,667 --> 01:15:06,667 the two of us. 1732 01:15:06,668 --> 01:15:07,727 Said, "Why don't we just back 1733 01:15:07,769 --> 01:15:09,169 the cocaine operation financially?" 1734 01:15:09,204 --> 01:15:14,507 We enlisted one dealer and set him up in business. 1735 01:15:14,543 --> 01:15:18,071 They mainly had this guy Harry distribute it. 1736 01:15:18,113 --> 01:15:20,708 Harry didn't look like the brightest kid... 1737 01:15:20,749 --> 01:15:21,910 not slick, 1738 01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:23,578 not especially smart. 1739 01:15:23,619 --> 01:15:26,748 Harry was selling, you know, like, half a kilo a week 1740 01:15:26,788 --> 01:15:29,087 out of a bar in $50 envelopes. 1741 01:15:29,124 --> 01:15:32,060 There's... there's never enough. There's never enough. 1742 01:15:35,931 --> 01:15:40,699 I was using the undercover name Brian. 1743 01:15:40,736 --> 01:15:43,638 I had a beard. I had a ponytail, earring. 1744 01:15:43,672 --> 01:15:47,632 I got information about a subject named Harry. 1745 01:15:49,678 --> 01:15:51,772 Money was rolling in, 1746 01:15:51,813 --> 01:15:55,841 and he just kept wrapping it up and putting it away. 1747 01:15:55,884 --> 01:15:59,048 Your feeling and your reaction to the fact, 1748 01:15:59,087 --> 01:16:02,285 uh, that indeed you weren't questioned 1749 01:16:02,324 --> 01:16:05,920 and you weren't in any way caught 1750 01:16:05,961 --> 01:16:09,193 during the, um, course of all these dealings... 1751 01:16:09,231 --> 01:16:10,859 did that, for instance, 1752 01:16:10,899 --> 01:16:14,028 somehow embolden you to do more in this area? 1753 01:16:14,069 --> 01:16:17,767 Did you feel free about what you were gonna do? 1754 01:16:18,574 --> 01:16:21,840 First of all, there was times when I was shocked 1755 01:16:21,877 --> 01:16:23,743 that I got away with so many of these things. 1756 01:16:23,779 --> 01:16:27,216 I didn't know what stress was. I just lived it. 1757 01:16:27,249 --> 01:16:30,083 Just fucking greed. 1758 01:16:30,118 --> 01:16:32,986 Also, mind you, I was becoming heavily addicted 1759 01:16:33,021 --> 01:16:35,786 to cocaine and alcohol, 1760 01:16:35,824 --> 01:16:38,885 so my inhibitions were down. 1761 01:16:38,927 --> 01:16:42,625 I had some personal problems I was going through too. 1762 01:16:42,664 --> 01:16:44,633 So, all that combined, 1763 01:16:44,666 --> 01:16:47,761 it, uh... 1764 01:16:47,803 --> 01:16:49,101 it certainly shocked me. 1765 01:16:49,137 --> 01:16:53,734 I can't... I don't know how, sometimes, I showed up for work. 1766 01:16:53,775 --> 01:16:56,040 I wasn't scared of the money coming in, 1767 01:16:56,078 --> 01:16:58,980 but the drugs in the car... 1768 01:16:59,014 --> 01:17:00,277 we're gonna get fucking arrested. 1769 01:17:00,315 --> 01:17:02,841 I don't know how Kenny honestly felt about me doing it. 1770 01:17:02,884 --> 01:17:04,648 He's becoming wired. He's becoming paranoid. 1771 01:17:04,686 --> 01:17:05,847 I don't think it bothered him so much. 1772 01:17:07,956 --> 01:17:11,154 On January 2nd of 1992, 1773 01:17:11,193 --> 01:17:14,652 I made the first cocaine purchase from Harry. 1774 01:17:14,696 --> 01:17:17,393 When the undercover sends the coke to the lab, 1775 01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:19,158 we have quantitative and qualitative tests 1776 01:17:19,201 --> 01:17:21,102 done on the cocaine; 1777 01:17:21,136 --> 01:17:24,106 it comes back 95% pure. 1778 01:17:24,139 --> 01:17:27,701 Somebody was bringing pure coke into Suffolk County. 1779 01:17:27,743 --> 01:17:29,939 Based on your personal knowledge, 1780 01:17:29,978 --> 01:17:34,109 why weren't other police officers in your command 1781 01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:35,208 turning you in? 1782 01:17:37,886 --> 01:17:39,821 'Cause I'm still a cop. 1783 01:17:39,855 --> 01:17:41,756 Cops don't turn in other cops. 1784 01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:46,353 He's doing coke... as fast as he can get it from Diaz 1785 01:17:46,395 --> 01:17:47,658 is as fast as he's doing. 1786 01:17:47,696 --> 01:17:50,097 He's probably doing more than he's selling. 1787 01:17:50,132 --> 01:17:53,762 Even when the person they're depending on for survival 1788 01:17:53,802 --> 01:17:56,431 is doing lines of coke in the RMP, 1789 01:17:56,672 --> 01:17:58,436 is drinking daily to the state 1790 01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:00,939 that, as you said, you're sometimes a fall-down drunk... 1791 01:18:00,976 --> 01:18:03,138 even then, they remain silent? 1792 01:18:05,213 --> 01:18:08,115 Cops don't want to be labeled as rats. 1793 01:18:08,150 --> 01:18:10,779 Cops depend on one another to survive out there. 1794 01:18:10,819 --> 01:18:15,689 Kenny talked to me one time and said, "Adam, Mike is crazy. 1795 01:18:15,724 --> 01:18:17,022 He's going crazy. He's sniffing coke." 1796 01:18:17,059 --> 01:18:18,059 I said, "What?" 1797 01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:19,392 I know he's doing his little fucking blow 1798 01:18:19,428 --> 01:18:20,794 sometimes in a while, but... 1799 01:18:20,829 --> 01:18:23,162 "Fuck everything. Fuck them. Fuck this. 1800 01:18:23,198 --> 01:18:25,258 I'm gonna do what I want." 1801 01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:28,930 And that's how he lived and worked 1802 01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:30,029 in the Seven Five. 1803 01:18:30,072 --> 01:18:32,974 You felt like you were God. 1804 01:18:33,008 --> 01:18:34,738 He said, "No, he's fucked up. 1805 01:18:34,776 --> 01:18:37,302 He's fucked up. He's a dopehead." 1806 01:18:37,345 --> 01:18:39,007 Invincible. 1807 01:18:42,217 --> 01:18:45,119 So it's like, "Fuck, how do I stop this guy?" 1808 01:18:45,153 --> 01:18:46,153 He never acted afraid. 1809 01:18:46,154 --> 01:18:48,055 He never showed himself to be afraid. 1810 01:18:48,090 --> 01:18:50,958 I considered myself both a cop and a gangster. 1811 01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,330 That's when I knew he was no good 1812 01:18:55,363 --> 01:18:57,059 and that was gonna be the end. 1813 01:18:58,867 --> 01:19:02,895 I thought if I was getting too close, you could quit. 1814 01:19:02,938 --> 01:19:04,930 But you find out, when you're in the middle of the game, 1815 01:19:04,973 --> 01:19:06,236 quitting ain't too easy. 1816 01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:10,742 The game keeps pulling you back in. 1817 01:19:15,283 --> 01:19:17,115 And then you start to wonder, 1818 01:19:17,152 --> 01:19:18,984 "Maybe I will get pinched." 1819 01:19:30,866 --> 01:19:32,391 One Sunday morning, 1820 01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:35,268 we go to my parents' house for breakfast. 1821 01:19:36,338 --> 01:19:37,772 Pack up the kids in my car... 1822 01:19:37,806 --> 01:19:38,967 Say hi. 1823 01:19:39,007 --> 01:19:40,236 My wife gets in the car. 1824 01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:42,403 I start driving down my block to the corner. 1825 01:19:42,444 --> 01:19:44,345 See a white car... 1826 01:19:44,379 --> 01:19:45,779 someone in it. 1827 01:19:45,814 --> 01:19:48,477 Sitting there on the corner, on a Sunday morning, 1828 01:19:48,517 --> 01:19:51,043 is that typical undercover cop car. 1829 01:19:55,357 --> 01:19:57,792 I'm like, "Did you see that?" 1830 01:19:57,826 --> 01:20:00,159 And I'm watching my rearview mirror the whole way. 1831 01:20:00,195 --> 01:20:02,858 They pull out from the curb and start following behind me. 1832 01:20:02,898 --> 01:20:05,026 But I'm not worried. 1833 01:20:05,066 --> 01:20:06,125 No coke at my house. 1834 01:20:06,168 --> 01:20:08,535 I'm like, "Ken, they don't need 1835 01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:12,234 "to have a scale and cocaine in the house 1836 01:20:12,274 --> 01:20:15,108 to bust you for dealing drugs." 1837 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,248 It was, like, 7:30, 8:00 in the evening. 1838 01:20:22,284 --> 01:20:24,844 I had seen a couple cars following me. 1839 01:20:24,886 --> 01:20:27,287 I knew something wasn't right. 1840 01:20:27,322 --> 01:20:29,154 Harry owes me cash. 1841 01:20:29,191 --> 01:20:31,126 I go out during the night to pick up my money, 1842 01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:32,252 park in the driveway. 1843 01:20:32,294 --> 01:20:33,455 I go in the side door. 1844 01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:35,987 He's dripping wet. 1845 01:20:36,031 --> 01:20:38,091 I mean dripping. We're talking May. 1846 01:20:38,133 --> 01:20:39,328 It wasn't that hot, and it's night. 1847 01:20:39,367 --> 01:20:40,562 It's 10:00 at night. 1848 01:20:40,602 --> 01:20:44,369 Dripping wet, and I'm like, "Something's not fucking right." 1849 01:20:44,406 --> 01:20:45,874 I drove up to the precinct. 1850 01:20:45,907 --> 01:20:47,466 I walked up the precinct steps. 1851 01:20:47,509 --> 01:20:50,377 I felt the tension all around me. 1852 01:20:50,412 --> 01:20:51,471 The desk officer pointed... 1853 01:20:51,513 --> 01:20:53,311 "The captain over there wants to talk to you." 1854 01:20:53,348 --> 01:20:54,348 I turned around. 1855 01:20:54,382 --> 01:20:56,146 A man walked in with a lieutenant's badge 1856 01:20:56,184 --> 01:20:58,050 and said, "Internal Affairs. 1857 01:20:58,086 --> 01:21:01,921 We want to take you for a department-ordered drug test." 1858 01:21:04,125 --> 01:21:06,253 Within two minutes, 1859 01:21:06,294 --> 01:21:08,354 Suffolk County Narcotics slams the front door. 1860 01:21:08,396 --> 01:21:09,625 Don't go in, guys. Don't go in. 1861 01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:11,094 Get down. Get down. 1862 01:21:11,132 --> 01:21:13,966 Vests, helmets, shield, 1863 01:21:14,002 --> 01:21:15,061 rushing down the hallway. 1864 01:21:15,103 --> 01:21:16,628 I'm like, "Fuck." 1865 01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:18,204 They throw me up against the wall. 1866 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:19,240 They pull my gun out, 1867 01:21:19,241 --> 01:21:22,040 spread my legs, cuff me up. 1868 01:21:22,077 --> 01:21:24,444 As I walk down the stairs to change in the locker room, 1869 01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,471 I realize there's a bunch of, like, 1870 01:21:26,514 --> 01:21:28,244 plainclothes police officers around me, 1871 01:21:28,283 --> 01:21:29,649 following me, like, blanketing me. 1872 01:21:29,885 --> 01:21:31,285 So I take my fucking pants off, 1873 01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:32,319 hang them in my locker, 1874 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,152 and I go to put my civilian clothes on, 1875 01:21:34,189 --> 01:21:36,385 and I get... I got fucking coke in my pocket. 1876 01:21:36,424 --> 01:21:38,655 So I'm like, "Okay, let's put on my pants 1877 01:21:38,894 --> 01:21:40,294 with the cocaine in it." 1878 01:21:40,328 --> 01:21:42,229 There's a guy sitting over here I never saw in my life, 1879 01:21:42,264 --> 01:21:44,460 walks up and says, "Suffolk County Police Department. 1880 01:21:44,499 --> 01:21:46,991 You're under arrest for narcotics conspiracy." 1881 01:21:47,035 --> 01:21:48,035 They search my pockets. 1882 01:21:48,036 --> 01:21:51,336 They pull out the bag of cocaine I tried to unload. 1883 01:21:51,373 --> 01:21:54,309 The next picture that you see 1884 01:21:54,342 --> 01:21:56,573 is a daisy chain of cops 1885 01:21:56,611 --> 01:22:00,480 is being led out of a precinct in Suffolk County, 1886 01:22:00,515 --> 01:22:02,347 and they're New York City cops. 1887 01:22:06,087 --> 01:22:07,385 There's a police story being told 1888 01:22:07,422 --> 01:22:08,913 here in New York this week... 1889 01:22:08,957 --> 01:22:10,289 The NYPD is under the gun again. 1890 01:22:10,325 --> 01:22:13,159 Cops dealing drugs, stealing money and guns, 1891 01:22:13,194 --> 01:22:14,958 shaking down shopkeepers. 1892 01:22:14,996 --> 01:22:16,931 Six New York City police officers 1893 01:22:16,965 --> 01:22:19,525 charged with conspiring to sell cocaine. 1894 01:22:19,567 --> 01:22:22,264 It has become an all too familiar sight in New York: 1895 01:22:22,304 --> 01:22:24,500 cops arrested on corruption-related charges. 1896 01:22:24,539 --> 01:22:27,031 And a new breed of corrupt cop... 1897 01:22:27,075 --> 01:22:30,409 none was more notorious than officer Michael Dowd. 1898 01:22:30,445 --> 01:22:33,108 He was dirty up to his eyeballs. 1899 01:22:33,148 --> 01:22:34,411 The story of cops and robbers... 1900 01:22:34,449 --> 01:22:36,611 see if you can tell one from the other. 1901 01:22:40,322 --> 01:22:42,188 I was driving in to work, 1902 01:22:42,223 --> 01:22:46,183 and I heard on the radio that New York City police officers 1903 01:22:46,227 --> 01:22:48,162 had been arrested in Suffolk County. 1904 01:22:48,196 --> 01:22:49,994 I felt like, 1905 01:22:50,031 --> 01:22:53,126 "Fuck, Suffolk County got them?" 1906 01:22:53,168 --> 01:22:55,069 Suffolk County got them? 1907 01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:56,103 I wasn't scared. 1908 01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:58,504 It was almost like a sense of relief hit me. 1909 01:22:58,540 --> 01:23:00,668 I was like, "Thank God it's over. 1910 01:23:00,709 --> 01:23:03,008 Thank you for saving my fucking life." 1911 01:23:09,217 --> 01:23:10,583 Nothing was off the table with me 1912 01:23:10,618 --> 01:23:12,177 at that point in my life. 1913 01:23:12,220 --> 01:23:14,451 It really didn't make sense to me, what was happening. 1914 01:23:14,489 --> 01:23:18,688 I was so used to winning every day. 1915 01:23:18,727 --> 01:23:20,696 I'd been beating these people 1916 01:23:20,729 --> 01:23:23,665 for five, six, seven, eight years. 1917 01:23:23,698 --> 01:23:25,564 This is just another... this is just another obstacle 1918 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,501 I have to learn to get around, and I will. 1919 01:23:27,535 --> 01:23:29,697 In my mind, I was gonna get around this. 1920 01:23:31,172 --> 01:23:32,765 Here we are, out on bail... 1921 01:23:33,008 --> 01:23:36,001 it's about a month after our arrest, 1922 01:23:36,044 --> 01:23:38,377 uh, mid-June sometime... 1923 01:23:38,413 --> 01:23:41,349 facing 25 to life for drug trafficking charges. 1924 01:23:41,383 --> 01:23:44,649 It was at my insistence that we try to develop a plan 1925 01:23:44,686 --> 01:23:48,384 on how to minimize the damage at this point. 1926 01:23:50,625 --> 01:23:53,288 There's a Colombian living in my house, in Brentwood. 1927 01:23:53,328 --> 01:23:55,661 He said, "Leave the fucking country. 1928 01:23:55,697 --> 01:23:57,757 "You're doing 25 to life in the state 1929 01:23:57,799 --> 01:23:59,062 "if they fucking hammer you. 1930 01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:00,261 "You are... you're done. 1931 01:24:00,301 --> 01:24:03,237 You're done." 1932 01:24:03,271 --> 01:24:05,137 He knows I'm in a spot. 1933 01:24:05,173 --> 01:24:06,173 Comes to me and says, 1934 01:24:06,174 --> 01:24:07,608 "Are you interested in doing a hit 1935 01:24:07,642 --> 01:24:11,101 at this woman's house on Avon Street in Queens?" 1936 01:24:11,146 --> 01:24:13,445 There's a drug lord whose wife is holding on 1937 01:24:13,481 --> 01:24:16,076 to a large sum of cash and cocaine 1938 01:24:16,117 --> 01:24:19,610 that they owe this Colombian that's staying in my home. 1939 01:24:19,654 --> 01:24:22,749 So the plan is to grab this guy's wife, 1940 01:24:22,791 --> 01:24:23,815 kidnap her, 1941 01:24:24,059 --> 01:24:26,255 grab any money and drugs in the house, 1942 01:24:26,294 --> 01:24:29,628 turn her over to the Colombians for execution. 1943 01:24:29,664 --> 01:24:30,664 "What's in it for me?" 1944 01:24:30,698 --> 01:24:33,167 He said, "There's several hundred thousand in cash, 1945 01:24:33,201 --> 01:24:35,067 and, uh, at least ten kilos." 1946 01:24:35,103 --> 01:24:39,700 He has this whole plan to flee bail 1947 01:24:39,741 --> 01:24:42,074 with a kidnapping and murder scheme. 1948 01:24:42,110 --> 01:24:44,079 I said, "Kenny, this is my plan. 1949 01:24:44,112 --> 01:24:45,112 Are you in or you out?" 1950 01:24:45,113 --> 01:24:46,308 He pounds his hand and goes, 1951 01:24:46,347 --> 01:24:47,474 "We need to do this thing." 1952 01:24:47,515 --> 01:24:49,074 He says, "I'm in." 1953 01:24:49,117 --> 01:24:50,415 Well, that's all I wanted to hear. 1954 01:24:50,452 --> 01:24:52,580 I mean, my life was in turmoil. 1955 01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:53,620 I don't give a fuck. 1956 01:24:53,621 --> 01:24:55,590 It's me and Kenny back together again. 1957 01:25:02,831 --> 01:25:05,266 Mike picks me up the next morning. 1958 01:25:05,300 --> 01:25:06,859 We went off to Avon Street. 1959 01:25:07,102 --> 01:25:09,298 We're driving our way there. 1960 01:25:09,337 --> 01:25:10,566 As we approach... 1961 01:25:10,605 --> 01:25:11,629 "Kenny, you got the scanner? 1962 01:25:11,673 --> 01:25:12,673 "Let's see if the scanner works. 1963 01:25:12,674 --> 01:25:13,767 See what's going on on the scanner." 1964 01:25:13,808 --> 01:25:17,802 We turn on the local scanner to listen to the local precinct. 1965 01:25:17,846 --> 01:25:20,475 The scanner's not on a minute, and you hear, 1966 01:25:20,515 --> 01:25:22,575 "Suspicious car on Avon Street." 1967 01:25:27,122 --> 01:25:28,215 There's no way you're hiding that. 1968 01:25:28,256 --> 01:25:29,280 Mike picked that up. 1969 01:25:29,324 --> 01:25:31,316 Avon Street is two blocks long. 1970 01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:32,520 It's got to be related to us. 1971 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,495 Well, when the call came in on the scanner, 1972 01:25:34,529 --> 01:25:36,191 he said to me, "We're going to the house." 1973 01:25:36,231 --> 01:25:37,324 I said, "Whoa. 1974 01:25:37,365 --> 01:25:38,560 Why would we go to the house? 1975 01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:39,898 The block is staked out." 1976 01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:41,603 "Mike, I came all the way this far. 1977 01:25:41,636 --> 01:25:43,332 We're going to the fucking house." 1978 01:25:43,371 --> 01:25:45,499 I said, "You go to the house. I ain't going there." 1979 01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:47,509 So rather than stop at Avon street, 1980 01:25:47,542 --> 01:25:49,841 I kept... I jumped back onto the Grand Central Parkway 1981 01:25:49,878 --> 01:25:51,141 and headed home. 1982 01:25:51,179 --> 01:25:52,511 We get the fuck out of there. 1983 01:25:52,547 --> 01:25:53,547 As I'm driving, 1984 01:25:53,548 --> 01:25:55,744 I see cars just converging from everywhere, 1985 01:25:55,783 --> 01:25:58,878 sort of closing in on the location behind us. 1986 01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,786 We get all the way back to my house. 1987 01:26:00,822 --> 01:26:01,846 He decides to go home. 1988 01:26:01,890 --> 01:26:03,688 I said, "All right, man, I'm gonna call you later." 1989 01:26:03,725 --> 01:26:05,819 And I notice four, five, six more different, 1990 01:26:05,860 --> 01:26:07,192 ten different vehicles following me. 1991 01:26:07,228 --> 01:26:09,390 I'm finding cars, undercover cops, 1992 01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:11,194 every-fucking-where, 1993 01:26:11,232 --> 01:26:12,598 and I'm not believing it. 1994 01:26:18,740 --> 01:26:20,572 I went home, 1995 01:26:20,608 --> 01:26:21,632 walked in the door, 1996 01:26:21,676 --> 01:26:22,676 looked at my wife. 1997 01:26:22,710 --> 01:26:24,906 She says, "Oh, by the way, 1998 01:26:24,946 --> 01:26:26,676 "Dori told me last night 1999 01:26:26,714 --> 01:26:28,239 that 'If I never see you again, 2000 01:26:28,283 --> 01:26:30,684 remember I love both you and Mike. "" 2001 01:26:30,718 --> 01:26:32,243 I said, "She said that to you? 2002 01:26:32,287 --> 01:26:33,687 You didn't tell me this last night?" 2003 01:26:33,721 --> 01:26:35,519 She goes, "Well, I didn't think it was important." 2004 01:26:43,965 --> 01:26:46,594 With that, I turned around, 2005 01:26:46,634 --> 01:26:50,435 and I heard the police cars swinging into my cul-de-sac... 2006 01:26:51,806 --> 01:26:54,674 The noise of... the noise of cars pulling into my cul-de-sac. 2007 01:27:00,315 --> 01:27:02,443 When they walked in my door, I knew it was Kenny. 2008 01:27:09,657 --> 01:27:13,651 How the fuck could he do this? 2009 01:27:13,695 --> 01:27:14,890 I was already in trouble! 2010 01:27:14,929 --> 01:27:16,659 I was already in trouble! 2011 01:27:27,375 --> 01:27:30,641 We decided to approach the person who appeared to be, 2012 01:27:30,678 --> 01:27:32,476 from our information 2013 01:27:32,513 --> 01:27:34,482 and from the Suffolk County case, 2014 01:27:34,515 --> 01:27:37,576 the less culpable of the two individuals. 2015 01:27:37,619 --> 01:27:39,952 And so we reach out to Kenny Eurell's lawyer. 2016 01:27:44,425 --> 01:27:47,259 Kenny's attorney brings him in. 2017 01:27:47,295 --> 01:27:49,958 I ask him his full name, 2018 01:27:49,998 --> 01:27:51,398 what's his wife's full name. 2019 01:27:51,432 --> 01:27:53,424 I get all the background information. 2020 01:27:53,468 --> 01:27:54,629 And it sort of sets him at ease, 2021 01:27:54,669 --> 01:27:56,968 'cause now he's in a routine of answering questions. 2022 01:27:57,005 --> 01:27:59,474 Then I throw out the name Baron Perez. 2023 01:28:01,643 --> 01:28:02,736 And he looks at me... 2024 01:28:02,777 --> 01:28:04,268 gets a shocked look on his face. 2025 01:28:04,312 --> 01:28:06,008 They did not know at that time 2026 01:28:06,047 --> 01:28:09,381 that there's an ongoing federal criminal investigation 2027 01:28:09,417 --> 01:28:10,885 that goes back years. 2028 01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,753 They had been taping Auto Sound City, 2029 01:28:16,791 --> 01:28:18,953 Baron, Michael Dowd, 2030 01:28:18,993 --> 01:28:20,586 drug transactions 2031 01:28:20,628 --> 01:28:24,463 that Michael Dowd bodyguarded for the drug dealers. 2032 01:28:24,499 --> 01:28:27,492 They had informants inside... 2033 01:28:27,535 --> 01:28:29,367 the whole thing. 2034 01:28:29,404 --> 01:28:30,633 They even had me on tape. 2035 01:28:33,007 --> 01:28:34,635 Kenny's attorney's gonna tell him, 2036 01:28:34,676 --> 01:28:36,076 "Your exposure just went 2037 01:28:36,311 --> 01:28:38,439 "from whatever the state was gonna give you 2038 01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,846 to now you're looking at this in the federal system," 2039 01:28:40,882 --> 01:28:43,943 and he's gonna have a "come to Jesus" moment. 2040 01:28:50,692 --> 01:28:53,355 There's a Colombian living in my house. 2041 01:28:53,394 --> 01:28:56,091 So the plan is to grab this guy's wife. 2042 01:28:56,331 --> 01:28:58,095 I said, "Kenny, this is my plan. 2043 01:28:58,333 --> 01:28:59,357 Are you in or you out?" 2044 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:00,732 "You've literally lost your mind. 2045 01:29:00,768 --> 01:29:01,792 We're not fucking doing that." 2046 01:29:01,836 --> 01:29:04,806 Kenny spoke to Marty, our lawyer. 2047 01:29:04,839 --> 01:29:06,467 I go to my lawyer. I let him know what's goin' on. 2048 01:29:06,507 --> 01:29:08,533 He goes, "You can't allow something like that to happen." 2049 01:29:08,576 --> 01:29:10,010 "Kenny, it's RICO. 2050 01:29:10,044 --> 01:29:12,946 "You're looking at 25 years. 2051 01:29:12,980 --> 01:29:14,448 "You're goin' down. 2052 01:29:14,482 --> 01:29:15,814 "You have to give him up. 2053 01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:16,850 You have to." 2054 01:29:16,851 --> 01:29:17,978 That was, you know, 2055 01:29:18,019 --> 01:29:22,821 clear that I need to start working with the DEA, and... 2056 01:29:24,692 --> 01:29:27,389 I decide to cooperate with the feds. 2057 01:29:28,563 --> 01:29:31,931 Mike Troster gets me a micro-recorder, 2058 01:29:31,966 --> 01:29:33,093 and at that time, 1992, 2059 01:29:33,134 --> 01:29:35,535 a micro-recorder was, you know, that fuckin' big. 2060 01:29:35,570 --> 01:29:36,570 It was big, 2061 01:29:36,604 --> 01:29:37,799 big enough that if you're wearing it, 2062 01:29:37,839 --> 01:29:38,839 you're self-conscious, 2063 01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,775 like, "Holy crap, I got this big piece of equipment on me." 2064 01:29:40,808 --> 01:29:42,037 "We're gonna wire your phone 2065 01:29:42,076 --> 01:29:44,011 in case Dowd calls and talks on the phone." 2066 01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:47,447 Every contact, as much as possible, with Michael 2067 01:29:47,482 --> 01:29:50,543 has to be on audio or videotape or both. 2068 01:29:50,585 --> 01:29:52,486 I don't want to wear it anywhere on my chest, 2069 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,614 because we normally hugged each other 2070 01:29:54,655 --> 01:29:56,385 and gave each other a kiss when we met each other, 2071 01:29:56,424 --> 01:29:58,859 so I came up with, I'll wear it behind my calf. 2072 01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:01,124 I got muscular calves, and I'll Ace bandage it. 2073 01:30:01,162 --> 01:30:03,461 He had, like... it was like a little smirk. 2074 01:30:03,498 --> 01:30:05,626 I'm like, "I'm freaking out over here." 2075 01:30:05,666 --> 01:30:09,398 My wife's like, "What could you possibly be smiling about?" 2076 01:30:09,437 --> 01:30:11,770 I'm like, "I feel like a cop again." 2077 01:30:11,806 --> 01:30:14,833 "Really, I'm just praying I get to see you again." 2078 01:30:14,876 --> 01:30:15,935 And, you know, when I hugged him, 2079 01:30:15,977 --> 01:30:19,106 I hugged him like I wasn't ever gonna see him again, 2080 01:30:19,147 --> 01:30:23,084 that this is probably gonna turn horribly wrong. 2081 01:30:25,753 --> 01:30:29,087 Michael's plan was to go to the house on Avon street 2082 01:30:29,123 --> 01:30:31,092 in Jamaica Estates, Queens, 2083 01:30:31,125 --> 01:30:33,890 knock on the door, deliver a bouquet of flowers, 2084 01:30:33,928 --> 01:30:35,590 and then they were gonna bring her out, 2085 01:30:35,630 --> 01:30:36,630 kidnap her, 2086 01:30:36,631 --> 01:30:38,623 take her to a motel, 2087 01:30:38,666 --> 01:30:42,068 and there she would be handed over to the Colombians. 2088 01:30:42,103 --> 01:30:44,595 If we walked to the door with a bouquet of flowers, 2089 01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:45,639 knocked on the door, 2090 01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,905 she'd probably open up to receive the flowers. 2091 01:30:47,942 --> 01:30:49,672 So it was as simple as that. 2092 01:30:49,710 --> 01:30:50,837 I didn't think... it was a no-brainer. 2093 01:30:50,878 --> 01:30:52,039 On the news... 2094 01:30:52,079 --> 01:30:53,138 I'm sitting there watching the news, 2095 01:30:53,181 --> 01:30:54,205 'cause I'm watching the news every day, 2096 01:30:54,449 --> 01:30:56,577 'cause we're almost on the news every night. 2097 01:30:56,617 --> 01:30:58,085 Totally separate story... 2098 01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:00,782 a lady was killed and murdered 2099 01:31:00,822 --> 01:31:03,986 because someone posed as a flower delivery person. 2100 01:31:04,025 --> 01:31:05,459 So I'm sitting there with my wife. 2101 01:31:05,493 --> 01:31:06,893 I'm like, "Oh, my God, 2102 01:31:06,928 --> 01:31:09,159 I hope Mike's not fucking watching the news now," 2103 01:31:09,197 --> 01:31:10,893 'cause I know he's gonna want to call me and discuss it. 2104 01:31:12,767 --> 01:31:13,767 Yeah? 2105 01:31:13,768 --> 01:31:14,963 I'm watching it, yeah. 2106 01:31:15,002 --> 01:31:16,197 Yeah, I know. 2107 01:31:16,237 --> 01:31:18,468 I was gonna call you, but I figured what's the point? 2108 01:31:21,042 --> 01:31:22,806 We did not change our plan. 2109 01:31:22,844 --> 01:31:24,142 Some other woman living in Queens 2110 01:31:24,178 --> 01:31:26,044 is not gonna not open her door for flowers. 2111 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,015 The flower thing can be used a few times. 2112 01:31:28,049 --> 01:31:31,542 Not every flower delivery is a fucking armed robbery murder. 2113 01:31:31,586 --> 01:31:34,613 The recordings that Eurell made were extremely helpful 2114 01:31:34,655 --> 01:31:38,990 to prove Dowd's involvement in this crime. 2115 01:31:39,026 --> 01:31:41,086 We're trying to figure out exactly how we're gonna 2116 01:31:41,128 --> 01:31:42,562 grab the woman, 2117 01:31:42,597 --> 01:31:44,031 grab any money or drugs in there, 2118 01:31:44,065 --> 01:31:45,658 and then bring her off to the Colombians 2119 01:31:45,700 --> 01:31:46,827 for the execution. 2120 01:31:46,868 --> 01:31:49,269 Where Kenny comes up with the idea that this woman 2121 01:31:49,504 --> 01:31:50,870 was gonna be delivered to Colombians 2122 01:31:50,905 --> 01:31:53,841 and kidnapped and executed is beyond me. 2123 01:31:53,875 --> 01:31:55,241 Michael's lying. 2124 01:31:55,276 --> 01:31:56,539 Kenny wore tapes. 2125 01:31:56,577 --> 01:31:59,547 The tapes reflect that Michael planned 2126 01:31:59,580 --> 01:32:02,106 to abduct the woman in Queens. 2127 01:32:02,149 --> 01:32:04,618 It was Kenny's words, never mine. 2128 01:32:04,652 --> 01:32:05,745 Go to the tapes. 2129 01:32:05,786 --> 01:32:06,786 Listen to the tape. 2130 01:32:22,670 --> 01:32:24,798 Kenny paged me 2131 01:32:24,839 --> 01:32:26,535 in the wee hours of the morning. 2132 01:32:26,574 --> 01:32:28,770 He says, "It's happening. We're doing it in the morning." 2133 01:32:34,782 --> 01:32:37,946 Agents are gonna go to this woman in her house, 2134 01:32:37,985 --> 01:32:40,011 tell her, "Listen, your life is in jeopardy. 2135 01:32:40,054 --> 01:32:42,148 "We're gonna put you somewhere safe, 2136 01:32:42,189 --> 01:32:43,953 "and we are gonna stay in your house. 2137 01:32:43,991 --> 01:32:45,960 "Michael's gonna come to do the abduction, 2138 01:32:45,993 --> 01:32:48,326 and Michael's gonna get arrested." 2139 01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:49,861 Didn't happen that way. 2140 01:32:49,897 --> 01:32:51,126 Mike picks me up the next morning. 2141 01:32:51,165 --> 01:32:53,066 We went off to Avon street. 2142 01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:54,100 As we approach... 2143 01:32:54,135 --> 01:32:55,135 I go, "Kenny, you got the scanner?" 2144 01:32:55,169 --> 01:32:57,798 The scanner's not on a minute, and you hear, 2145 01:32:57,838 --> 01:32:59,830 "Suspicious car on Avon Street." 2146 01:32:59,874 --> 01:33:02,901 One of the surveillance guys was parked near the house, 2147 01:33:02,944 --> 01:33:04,572 and someone called the police on him. 2148 01:33:04,612 --> 01:33:05,773 He identified himself, said, "Hey, 2149 01:33:05,813 --> 01:33:07,213 we're DEA doing a surveillance." 2150 01:33:08,783 --> 01:33:09,876 There's no way you're hiding that. 2151 01:33:09,917 --> 01:33:10,917 Mike picked that up. 2152 01:33:10,918 --> 01:33:12,216 We get the fuck out of there. 2153 01:33:12,253 --> 01:33:15,712 As I'm driving, I see cars just converging from everywhere. 2154 01:33:15,756 --> 01:33:17,088 Now my mind starts spinning. 2155 01:33:17,124 --> 01:33:18,854 "How am I gonna make sure 2156 01:33:18,893 --> 01:33:20,589 Mike doesn't relate this to me?" 2157 01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:46,145 The plan was, DEA's gonna arrest us all and take us in 2158 01:33:46,187 --> 01:33:48,952 and make it look like I'm part of being arrested. 2159 01:33:48,990 --> 01:33:51,960 They were, at that point, gonna grab my wife and grab my kids 2160 01:33:51,993 --> 01:33:54,792 and bring them to a hotel to keep them safe 2161 01:33:54,829 --> 01:33:56,957 until they could figure out what to do with us after that. 2162 01:33:57,999 --> 01:33:59,968 Troster called me, and he said 2163 01:34:00,001 --> 01:34:01,367 that I need to get out of the house. 2164 01:34:01,402 --> 01:34:02,836 Got fucked up. 2165 01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:04,702 "We don't even know where Kenny is." 2166 01:34:04,739 --> 01:34:07,038 I'm like, "What do you mean you don't know where Kenny is?" 2167 01:34:07,074 --> 01:34:08,975 My wife has bags packed at the door, ready to go, 2168 01:34:09,010 --> 01:34:10,672 waiting for the DEA to pick her up and save her. 2169 01:34:10,711 --> 01:34:12,737 I had to wire him, 2170 01:34:12,780 --> 01:34:15,682 and now they're coming back? 2171 01:34:15,716 --> 01:34:17,412 We get all the way back to my house. 2172 01:34:17,652 --> 01:34:19,280 I went to go into his house; he told me, "Hold on. 2173 01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,222 I got to check on... see if my wife is dressed." 2174 01:34:22,256 --> 01:34:24,054 Kenny never stopped me from seeing his wife 2175 01:34:24,091 --> 01:34:25,115 dressed or undressed, 2176 01:34:25,159 --> 01:34:26,855 and now all of sudden, he's gonna check? 2177 01:34:26,894 --> 01:34:27,894 I was very suspicious. 2178 01:34:27,928 --> 01:34:30,227 Holy shit! 2179 01:34:30,264 --> 01:34:31,264 I'm running. 2180 01:34:31,265 --> 01:34:33,734 I grab those bags. I run as fast as I can. 2181 01:34:33,768 --> 01:34:35,100 My wife is thinking on the fly. 2182 01:34:35,136 --> 01:34:37,867 She hears the car pull up in the driveway, the doors close. 2183 01:34:37,905 --> 01:34:38,905 She peeks out the window, 2184 01:34:38,906 --> 01:34:40,670 sees it's us getting back and Mike is there. 2185 01:34:40,708 --> 01:34:41,835 I throw those bags into the bedroom. 2186 01:34:41,876 --> 01:34:43,071 - Hides the bags by the door. - Out of sight. 2187 01:34:43,110 --> 01:34:44,110 She starts panicking. 2188 01:34:44,111 --> 01:34:45,306 I run into the bathroom, wet my hair... 2189 01:34:45,346 --> 01:34:46,974 Wets her hair like she's just getting out of the shower, 2190 01:34:47,014 --> 01:34:48,744 'cause now it's taking her five minutes to answer the door. 2191 01:34:48,783 --> 01:34:50,411 Took off my clothes and put on a robe, 2192 01:34:50,451 --> 01:34:51,885 and they're banging the door. 2193 01:34:51,919 --> 01:34:52,943 Why Kenny wasn't using the key... 2194 01:34:52,987 --> 01:34:54,046 I don't have no keys on me. 2195 01:34:54,088 --> 01:34:55,681 Walked in the house. The fuckin' house was empty. 2196 01:34:55,723 --> 01:34:57,783 I looked around... "Where's all your furniture?" 2197 01:34:57,825 --> 01:34:59,225 "Oh, you know I'm selling the house." 2198 01:34:59,260 --> 01:35:01,354 "Yeah, but why would you empty the fuckin' house out?" 2199 01:35:01,395 --> 01:35:03,193 "Well, it shows better when the house is empty." 2200 01:35:03,230 --> 01:35:04,755 Had a good answer, the motherfucker. 2201 01:35:04,799 --> 01:35:06,233 I'm freaking out. 2202 01:35:06,267 --> 01:35:08,293 Mike was supposed to be behind bars 2203 01:35:08,335 --> 01:35:11,965 and I would not have to deal with any of this confrontation. 2204 01:35:12,006 --> 01:35:13,372 Mike is pumped. 2205 01:35:13,407 --> 01:35:15,467 "Dor, Dor, we came this close to being arrested. 2206 01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:16,939 We were this close." 2207 01:35:16,977 --> 01:35:19,242 "Someone ratted us out. They knew we were there." 2208 01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,306 I'm like, "How they hell could they know that?" 2209 01:35:21,348 --> 01:35:23,010 He decides to go home and says, 2210 01:35:23,050 --> 01:35:24,313 "All right, man, I'm gonna call you later." 2211 01:35:24,351 --> 01:35:26,820 My only concern now is, 2212 01:35:26,854 --> 01:35:29,050 I got to get in touch with my lawyer and the DEA 2213 01:35:29,090 --> 01:35:30,854 and Internal Affairs and this other district 2214 01:35:30,891 --> 01:35:31,915 to let them know what's going on. 2215 01:35:31,959 --> 01:35:33,791 It's out of the bag now. 2216 01:35:33,828 --> 01:35:36,127 He knows the DEA's got a surveillance going on. 2217 01:35:36,163 --> 01:35:38,997 We got to go lock up Michael. 2218 01:35:39,033 --> 01:35:41,093 As we were pulling up to his house, 2219 01:35:41,135 --> 01:35:43,104 there's kids playing in the street. 2220 01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:48,903 I tell the kid, "You need to go inside." 2221 01:35:48,943 --> 01:35:49,943 'Cause I didn't know. 2222 01:35:49,944 --> 01:35:51,776 I'd heard Michael would fight. He's a cop, I... 2223 01:35:51,812 --> 01:35:52,812 There could be guns. 2224 01:35:52,813 --> 01:35:54,304 I didn't want a kid around. 2225 01:35:54,348 --> 01:35:56,510 And he runs straight to Michael Dowd's house. 2226 01:35:56,751 --> 01:35:57,980 It's Michael's kid. 2227 01:35:58,018 --> 01:36:00,214 And all of a sudden, I hear... 2228 01:36:00,254 --> 01:36:02,450 The sound of vehicles coming into my cul-de-sac. 2229 01:36:04,925 --> 01:36:06,860 Oh, fuck. 2230 01:36:06,894 --> 01:36:09,022 It's over... again. 2231 01:36:15,035 --> 01:36:17,436 How the fuck could he do this? 2232 01:36:17,471 --> 01:36:21,135 I didn't consider myself being a rat, 2233 01:36:21,175 --> 01:36:24,043 because a rat, to me, was... 2234 01:36:24,078 --> 01:36:26,070 a rat gets caught doing something, 2235 01:36:26,113 --> 01:36:29,845 and then in order to get himself out of trouble, 2236 01:36:29,884 --> 01:36:31,216 you tell on someone else. 2237 01:36:31,252 --> 01:36:33,153 I was already willing to accept my sentence. 2238 01:36:33,187 --> 01:36:35,088 Why would Kenny do this to me? 2239 01:36:35,122 --> 01:36:36,249 Why would he put a wire on? 2240 01:36:36,290 --> 01:36:38,020 Why would he fuck me like this? 2241 01:36:38,058 --> 01:36:39,822 You want to say, yeah, I ratted on you 2242 01:36:39,860 --> 01:36:41,385 about a murder and kidnapping scheme? 2243 01:36:41,428 --> 01:36:43,056 Okay, I'm a rat. 2244 01:36:43,097 --> 01:36:44,963 In my eyes, I saved that woman's life. 2245 01:36:52,473 --> 01:36:56,376 I was very surprised at hearing that Kenny had turned. 2246 01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:58,845 You know, you could say he did it for his wife and his kids 2247 01:36:58,879 --> 01:37:00,108 and shit like that, but... 2248 01:37:00,147 --> 01:37:02,480 I haven't had to turn my head around once today. 2249 01:37:02,516 --> 01:37:03,916 I got no worries. 2250 01:37:03,951 --> 01:37:06,284 I didn't... I didn't rat on anybody. 2251 01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,414 I just can't see going through life turning around, 2252 01:37:08,455 --> 01:37:09,455 looking over my shoulder 2253 01:37:09,456 --> 01:37:11,448 to see a face that I don't want to see anymore. 2254 01:37:11,492 --> 01:37:13,461 Ain't nobody gonna crash me in the back of the head 2255 01:37:13,494 --> 01:37:16,089 because of something I said to the police or a journalist. 2256 01:37:17,898 --> 01:37:21,164 If Kenny would be Mike's real friend, 2257 01:37:21,202 --> 01:37:24,070 he would have just fucking do whatever for him, 2258 01:37:24,104 --> 01:37:26,835 including time. 2259 01:37:33,581 --> 01:37:36,346 If I could relive that first moment 2260 01:37:36,383 --> 01:37:40,115 when he threw me that $100 in a car, 2261 01:37:40,154 --> 01:37:42,555 as a 52-year-old man... 2262 01:37:42,590 --> 01:37:45,082 there was a fourth option to the three options I saw. 2263 01:37:45,125 --> 01:37:48,186 The fourth option was go to an outside agency. 2264 01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:50,892 Not go to Internal Affairs and cut my own throat, 2265 01:37:50,931 --> 01:37:53,059 not accept the money and go along with him, 2266 01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:55,001 and not ignore it and be just as guilty. 2267 01:37:55,035 --> 01:37:57,004 The fourth option, which I never saw as a kid, 2268 01:37:57,037 --> 01:37:58,630 was go to an outside agency. 2269 01:38:01,108 --> 01:38:02,872 I regret I ever met Mike. 2270 01:38:04,545 --> 01:38:07,879 It felt as though I was cheated on by my wife... 2271 01:38:09,083 --> 01:38:10,551 When Kenny turned on me. 2272 01:38:15,122 --> 01:38:17,489 I missed him. I... 2273 01:38:46,186 --> 01:38:48,246 Commission investigation has established 2274 01:38:48,289 --> 01:38:50,155 that the New York City Police Department's 2275 01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:54,184 anti-corruption apparatus is primarily a reactive 2276 01:38:54,228 --> 01:38:55,423 rather than proactive 2277 01:38:55,462 --> 01:38:58,591 and relies almost exclusively on complaints 2278 01:38:58,632 --> 01:39:00,362 to gauge the extent of corruption 2279 01:39:00,401 --> 01:39:02,495 in the department and the city 2280 01:39:02,536 --> 01:39:05,404 and to initiate corruption allegations. 2281 01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,931 I'd like to point out the significance of this, 2282 01:39:07,975 --> 01:39:10,308 which is that the majority of corrupt acts 2283 01:39:10,344 --> 01:39:12,973 committed by police officers 2284 01:39:13,013 --> 01:39:16,541 therefore go undetected and uninvestigated 2285 01:39:16,583 --> 01:39:18,449 by the New York City Police Department. 2286 01:39:29,697 --> 01:39:30,697 Thank you, Mr. Dowd. 2287 01:39:30,731 --> 01:39:33,030 This hearing is now in recess. 2288 01:39:51,352 --> 01:39:52,718 I always wanted to be a good cop. 2289 01:39:52,753 --> 01:39:55,245 I didn't come on the police department to be a bad cop. 2290 01:39:55,289 --> 01:39:56,416 I... 2291 01:40:19,079 --> 01:40:21,776 Yeah. 2292 01:40:22,016 --> 01:40:24,451 My dreams are about being a good cop. 2293 01:40:24,485 --> 01:40:25,714 Sad, though. 2294 01:40:25,753 --> 01:40:27,346 Never happened. 2295 01:40:52,746 --> 01:40:56,740 ♪ The police in New York City ♪ 2296 01:40:56,784 --> 01:41:01,415 ♪ They chased a boy right through the park ♪ 2297 01:41:01,455 --> 01:41:05,688 ♪ In a case of mistaken identity ♪ 2298 01:41:05,726 --> 01:41:09,754 ♪ They put a bullet through his heart ♪ 2299 01:41:09,797 --> 01:41:11,732 ♪ Heartbreakers ♪ 2300 01:41:11,765 --> 01:41:13,131 We lock up a guy, 2301 01:41:13,167 --> 01:41:15,796 and we're bringing him over to correctional center 2302 01:41:15,836 --> 01:41:17,202 for booking, and at that point, 2303 01:41:17,237 --> 01:41:20,537 like, a VIP entourage comes in as we're booking this guy, 2304 01:41:20,574 --> 01:41:24,568 and I hear, "Fuckin' Joey Hall." 2305 01:41:24,611 --> 01:41:25,670 So I look over, 2306 01:41:25,712 --> 01:41:28,739 and I said, "Hey, Michael, how you doing?" 2307 01:41:28,782 --> 01:41:32,241 And he said, "Joey, I just got 16 fuckin' years." 2308 01:41:32,286 --> 01:41:34,721 And I said, "Michael, 2309 01:41:34,755 --> 01:41:36,690 if it was up to me, you'd be doing more time." 2310 01:41:36,723 --> 01:41:37,747 And he says, "Hey, Joe. 2311 01:41:37,791 --> 01:41:39,623 "It was an honor to be arrested by you. 2312 01:41:39,660 --> 01:41:40,821 "Fuck those IAD guys. 2313 01:41:40,861 --> 01:41:42,261 They never got me." 2314 01:41:42,296 --> 01:41:44,231 He starts to walk away, 2315 01:41:44,264 --> 01:41:45,425 and he turns around in the hall, 2316 01:41:45,466 --> 01:41:46,593 and he says, "Hey, Joe. 2317 01:41:46,633 --> 01:41:48,465 "Hey, the year wasn't a total waste. 2318 01:41:48,502 --> 01:41:51,233 The Rangers won the Cup." 2319 01:41:51,271 --> 01:41:52,432 And then, with that, 2320 01:41:52,473 --> 01:41:54,601 he walks in, and you hear the cell door slam. 2321 01:41:55,576 --> 01:41:57,772 ♪ A pain maker ♪ 2322 01:41:57,811 --> 01:42:01,373 ♪ Stole the love right out your heart ♪ 2323 01:42:01,415 --> 01:42:06,707 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2324 01:42:06,787 --> 01:42:10,315 ♪ I wanna tear that world apart ♪ 2325 01:42:10,357 --> 01:42:15,387 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2326 01:42:15,462 --> 01:42:19,456 ♪ I wanna tear that world apart ♪ 2327 01:42:37,284 --> 01:42:41,643 ♪ Heartbreaker ♪ 2328 01:42:41,722 --> 01:42:45,716 ♪ Stole the love right out my heart ♪ 2329 01:42:45,759 --> 01:42:50,345 ♪ Heartbreaker ♪ 2330 01:42:50,430 --> 01:42:52,695 ♪ I wanna tear that world ♪ 2331 01:42:52,733 --> 01:42:55,328 ♪ Wanna tear that world ♪ 2332 01:42:55,369 --> 01:42:58,761 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2333 01:42:58,839 --> 01:43:02,708 ♪ I wanna tear that world apart ♪ 2334 01:43:02,743 --> 01:43:07,307 ♪ Heartbreaker ♪ 2335 01:43:07,381 --> 01:43:09,373 ♪ Stole the love right ♪ 2336 01:43:09,416 --> 01:43:12,682 ♪ You stole the love right out ♪ 2337 01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:15,780 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2338 01:43:15,822 --> 01:43:19,623 ♪ They said she didn't have no chance ♪ 2339 01:43:19,660 --> 01:43:24,348 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2340 01:43:24,431 --> 01:43:27,299 ♪ You stuck the pins right in her heart ♪ 2341 01:43:27,334 --> 01:43:30,395 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2342 01:43:30,437 --> 01:43:32,702 ♪ Heartbreaker ♪ 2343 01:43:32,739 --> 01:43:36,835 ♪ I wanna tear that world apart ♪ 2344 01:43:36,877 --> 01:43:38,709 ♪ Oh ♪ 2345 01:43:38,745 --> 01:43:45,208 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2346 01:43:45,285 --> 01:43:50,406 ♪ Doo doo doo doo doo ♪ 2347 01:43:50,490 --> 01:43:52,686 ♪ Doo doo doo doo doo ♪ 2348 01:43:53,827 --> 01:43:58,687 ♪ Doo doo doo doo doo ♪ 183459

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