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Different perspectives and... 11 00:02:22,058 --> 00:02:23,810 And whole different outlooks on life. 12 00:02:24,853 --> 00:02:26,771 [ Crickets chirping ] 13 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:28,815 14 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:34,529 Over several years of talking to people online, 15 00:02:34,612 --> 00:02:37,949 there was some of 'em that actually helped me out, 16 00:02:38,033 --> 00:02:41,745 told me, "why don't you move out this way? There'll be more opportunities for you." 17 00:02:43,329 --> 00:02:44,622 [ Wings fluttering ] 18 00:02:44,706 --> 00:02:46,666 19 00:02:52,213 --> 00:02:54,966 They decided to send me some money... 20 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:02,432 And basically just said, "move". 21 00:03:02,515 --> 00:03:07,312 22 00:03:07,395 --> 00:03:12,442 I was elated, and at the same time, terrified. 23 00:03:12,525 --> 00:03:14,486 24 00:03:20,325 --> 00:03:22,869 Mom, I'm going away for a while. 25 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,999 I'm going to be going to, uh, Washington. 26 00:03:30,669 --> 00:03:32,504 Man: I could see that it bothered her, 27 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:34,464 that I would be moving so far away. 28 00:03:36,591 --> 00:03:38,551 But at the same time, she was really supportive. 29 00:03:39,761 --> 00:03:41,721 30 00:03:50,605 --> 00:03:53,149 Woman: The first call we got was in the afternoon. 31 00:03:55,860 --> 00:03:57,237 I remember it clearly. 32 00:03:59,864 --> 00:04:02,075 It seemed so... 33 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,161 Strange to get that particular type of call on that day. 34 00:04:09,207 --> 00:04:11,626 We don't get a lot of sun here in the Pacific Northwest... 35 00:04:13,461 --> 00:04:16,214 So you notice it when it's a nice, sunny day. 36 00:04:18,758 --> 00:04:20,218 It makes you very happy. 37 00:04:22,887 --> 00:04:25,098 And that particular call made me very unhappy. 38 00:04:30,854 --> 00:04:34,858 So, at some point, I said, "is this a bestiality case? 39 00:04:34,983 --> 00:04:37,610 Is that what you're trying to tell me?" 40 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:39,863 And he said, "yes". 41 00:04:39,946 --> 00:04:43,658 And I said, "so what do you need us to do?" 42 00:04:43,742 --> 00:04:45,160 [ Horse whickering ] 43 00:04:49,039 --> 00:04:50,999 44 00:04:54,169 --> 00:04:58,673 Coyote: Before I even had the concept of being zoo, 45 00:04:58,757 --> 00:05:01,509 I'd had a feeling that a traditional family life 46 00:05:01,593 --> 00:05:03,470 was something that I would never do. 47 00:05:08,183 --> 00:05:11,102 I don't need a high level of emotional interaction... 48 00:05:13,104 --> 00:05:15,273 Whether it be human or otherwise. 49 00:05:19,277 --> 00:05:21,321 I function fine, I think. 50 00:05:26,284 --> 00:05:30,538 You could probably ask three zoos and get three different definitions. 51 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:38,004 I guess the main thing would be someone that feels they have a whole lot closer affinity 52 00:05:38,129 --> 00:05:41,925 to non-human animals than their own kind. 53 00:05:45,178 --> 00:05:47,555 It doesn't necessarily exclude caring 54 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:50,934 for fellow humans and friends in the same way. 55 00:06:01,486 --> 00:06:01,736 Man: We talk to quite a few people 56 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:06,616 all over the world via the internet. 57 00:06:08,827 --> 00:06:11,329 Unfortunately, most of the people 58 00:06:11,413 --> 00:06:13,873 that were part of our little group were white. 59 00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:18,294 But we did have quite a few other friends who are black. 60 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:23,842 There was a Hispanic that came out to visit once. 61 00:06:26,678 --> 00:06:28,179 Actually, a couple times. 62 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:37,856 I talked to people out of Poland and Germany and Japan. 63 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:43,528 I even talked to soldiers that are currently in Iraq. 64 00:06:47,741 --> 00:06:50,076 This gives them a chance to kind of connect back 65 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:53,163 with the old world that they knew back here... 66 00:06:56,374 --> 00:06:59,044 Even if it's the same old world that sent them over there 67 00:06:59,169 --> 00:07:01,546 to survive that environment. 68 00:07:01,629 --> 00:07:03,590 69 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:17,354 Man: I worked for the same guy since I was 23. 70 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:21,441 He's a member of the National Horse Association. 71 00:07:23,068 --> 00:07:25,236 He had some top-quality show Arabs. 72 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:34,746 I did the maintenance. 73 00:07:36,206 --> 00:07:37,624 I got paid good. 74 00:07:39,876 --> 00:07:41,169 Clean the stalls. 75 00:07:43,338 --> 00:07:44,964 His tractor would break down or... 76 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:47,634 Manure spreader would break down or something like that. 77 00:07:57,769 --> 00:07:59,145 He was gone all the time. 78 00:07:59,270 --> 00:08:02,315 He was going back and forth from the West Coast to the East Coast, 79 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,192 because he was building a new home and a ranch there. 80 00:08:04,275 --> 00:08:07,278 If you could grab all the mail and put it in there, I'd appreciate it. 81 00:08:07,362 --> 00:08:08,571 Also keep the horse... 82 00:08:08,655 --> 00:08:11,741 H: They were my so-called friends for 20-some years. 83 00:08:11,825 --> 00:08:15,245 If there's anything else, our cell phones will be on, so... 84 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:16,913 H: When this broke loose, 85 00:08:16,996 --> 00:08:20,792 the last thing he said to me, he told me I was a very bad person. 86 00:08:22,961 --> 00:08:25,588 We were friends for all those years and all of a sudden I'm no good 87 00:08:25,672 --> 00:08:27,549 just because I love the horses? 88 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:32,804 89 00:08:32,929 --> 00:08:36,766 Coyote: On the bus, I've spent a lot of time in thought. 90 00:08:39,602 --> 00:08:41,271 Why am I this way? 91 00:08:44,065 --> 00:08:45,942 There has to be a purpose. 92 00:08:48,987 --> 00:08:50,822 That part, I don't know yet. 93 00:08:55,827 --> 00:09:01,249 Trying to balance religion and being zoo... 94 00:09:04,252 --> 00:09:06,171 A lot of that is faith. 95 00:09:08,590 --> 00:09:11,885 Growing up Baptist in a fairly religious household... 96 00:09:15,305 --> 00:09:17,307 I held certain beliefs to my heart. 97 00:09:21,269 --> 00:09:23,021 God doesn't hate anyone. 98 00:09:26,649 --> 00:09:28,735 You treat your fellow man right. 99 00:09:30,362 --> 00:09:32,197 You don't hurt other people. 100 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:36,076 And for the most part, you'll... You'll be okay. 101 00:09:58,473 --> 00:10:00,892 H: I always treated my animals as part of my family. 102 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:05,063 They ate before I did. 103 00:10:09,693 --> 00:10:11,695 Look at the videos that they took of the horses. 104 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:15,782 Did they look neglected? 105 00:10:17,909 --> 00:10:19,369 No. 106 00:10:24,499 --> 00:10:26,751 It's the love of animals. 107 00:10:26,835 --> 00:10:28,378 That's what zoophilia is. 108 00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:34,926 It's just like if you love your wife or your kids. It's the same thing. 109 00:10:38,179 --> 00:10:41,933 I took better care of my animals than I ever did care for myself. Look at me. 110 00:10:42,017 --> 00:10:44,561 I'm... Here I am, going to be 53. 111 00:10:58,783 --> 00:11:01,619 Jenny: When I had a bout with cancer 112 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:04,748 and felt really, really badly, 113 00:11:04,831 --> 00:11:07,876 There were many nights that I went down and spent with my horse. 114 00:11:10,378 --> 00:11:12,547 It's just a very comforting feeling. 115 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:16,634 They do this little soft, blow-y thing. 116 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,636 And they know that you're there. 117 00:11:20,138 --> 00:11:23,350 And the time passes so fast. 118 00:11:23,475 --> 00:11:26,227 The night is over before you know it. 119 00:11:29,981 --> 00:11:32,734 I could go down there and just hang on her. 120 00:11:34,486 --> 00:11:36,279 She was my strength. 121 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:37,947 She was my legs. 122 00:11:38,031 --> 00:11:40,617 She was my heart that wouldn't beat right, 123 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:45,705 and I could just cry and talk and hang out. 124 00:11:47,123 --> 00:11:49,668 It was exactly what I needed at the time. 125 00:11:55,965 --> 00:11:58,468 H: See, I grew up in the city. I'm a city boy. 126 00:11:58,593 --> 00:12:00,387 And I always wanted to be a farmer. 127 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:06,017 Well, the job gave me what I wanted. 128 00:12:08,687 --> 00:12:12,148 As I say, I started when I was 16, right after my mom died. 129 00:12:14,984 --> 00:12:18,780 Some reason, it just happened one day, and I kind of liked it. 130 00:12:21,783 --> 00:12:25,537 I didn't even know it was zoophilia until I got on the internet. 131 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:31,584 I've been on the internet since 2002. 132 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:35,839 That's the first time, ever. 133 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:40,468 I had AOL to start with. 134 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:47,642 It was really interesting to meet all these different people. 135 00:12:52,313 --> 00:12:54,315 And to this day, they're still friends of mine. 136 00:12:58,570 --> 00:13:00,488 There was never any money changed hands. 137 00:13:00,572 --> 00:13:02,115 - Hey, what's up, fellas? - Hey, there. 138 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,367 - How's it going? - It's going all right. How you guys doing? 139 00:13:04,492 --> 00:13:05,952 H: There was people offered me money. 140 00:13:06,077 --> 00:13:07,620 Oh, I'm just going into the country for a while. 141 00:13:07,746 --> 00:13:09,414 You should go to Pioneer Square. It's going to be crazy, man. 142 00:13:09,539 --> 00:13:11,916 - Oh, maybe. Next time, right? - Be safe. 143 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,418 H: No, I wouldn't accept money from anybody, 144 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:14,919 because then it's prostitution. 145 00:13:15,045 --> 00:13:16,212 That's against the law. 146 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:18,256 147 00:13:24,346 --> 00:13:28,391 I knew that bestiality wasn't illegal in the State of Washington. 148 00:13:32,062 --> 00:13:34,105 A lot of the times they just want to come out and see. 149 00:13:36,524 --> 00:13:39,069 "We want to see if it's possible." 150 00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:41,112 Man: [ Speaking in foreign language ] 151 00:13:43,573 --> 00:13:47,660 H: "Maybe I just want to grab a horse by his nuts 152 00:13:47,786 --> 00:13:49,120 and to feel his balls. How do they feel?" 153 00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:51,164 "They're, well, they... They're warm." 154 00:13:56,294 --> 00:13:58,880 The horse is still the biggest thing out there on the internet. 155 00:14:05,136 --> 00:14:07,180 I'd invite them to my home, you know, 156 00:14:07,305 --> 00:14:10,016 and I'd treat them like any other person that was in my house. 157 00:14:12,936 --> 00:14:14,938 I did summertime barbecues. 158 00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:17,232 Thanksgiving. 159 00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:19,693 I'd do Christmas dinners. 160 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:23,697 One year, we did a turkey and a ham. 161 00:14:33,373 --> 00:14:36,793 The invite was on a weekend and in the evening. 162 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:38,837 163 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:45,176 [ Phone ringing ] 164 00:14:53,977 --> 00:14:54,936 Hello? 165 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:56,354 Woman: [ On telephone ] Hey, we're here. 166 00:14:56,438 --> 00:14:57,522 Well, how was your flight? 167 00:14:57,647 --> 00:15:00,358 Woman: The flight was long, but we're fine. Right now we're getting... 168 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:02,652 H: A Friday night, we'd meet 169 00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:07,699 and if I felt like it was okay for you to come out, I'd let you follow me home. 170 00:15:15,540 --> 00:15:18,335 If I felt like there was something about you that I didn't like, 171 00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:20,337 I'd say, "we'll meet again", 172 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:22,213 and I'd never meet with them again. 173 00:15:28,219 --> 00:15:32,766 "We don't do this right off the bat. Sorry." 174 00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:41,649 When I met Mr. Hands, we did talk on the phone a little bit. 175 00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:46,154 And that's when he lived in Seattle. 176 00:15:46,237 --> 00:15:48,239 177 00:16:13,056 --> 00:16:18,770 He was basically curious, like everybody was curious. 178 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:22,899 And he had a good personality. So I invited him out. 179 00:16:26,861 --> 00:16:29,280 Coyote: I was just astounded at the beauty. 180 00:16:30,865 --> 00:16:37,080 You have that wildness, but then you have civilization too. 181 00:16:37,163 --> 00:16:39,499 They're just kind of meshed together. 182 00:16:44,754 --> 00:16:46,423 Happy Horseman: Us humans are so conditioned 183 00:16:46,548 --> 00:16:49,926 from the time we are born to start categorizing. 184 00:16:53,013 --> 00:16:59,978 And even if they're unconscious, or even subconscious, 185 00:17:00,103 --> 00:17:03,148 we start categorizing. 186 00:17:03,273 --> 00:17:04,899 Animals just not going to do that. 187 00:17:04,983 --> 00:17:06,985 Flight attendant: We'll be landing in Seattle in just... 188 00:17:07,068 --> 00:17:09,612 Happy Horseman: You're either a good person or a bad person. 189 00:17:12,032 --> 00:17:14,034 Woman: [ On radio ] ...The biggest of all munitions companies, 190 00:17:14,159 --> 00:17:17,996 Lockheed Martin Corporation, playing an important behind-the-scenes role 191 00:17:18,121 --> 00:17:20,540 in developing support for Bush's war with Iraq. 192 00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:21,875 Man: [ On radio ] Yes, they did. 193 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,127 They played a very influential role in, uh... 194 00:17:24,252 --> 00:17:27,756 In various organizations that looked like they were simply 195 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,467 public interest, public education organizations, 196 00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:34,012 but which had long advocated a war with Iraq 197 00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:38,808 ever since the 1991, uh, the first war with Iraq. 198 00:17:38,892 --> 00:17:43,355 It's been to their... That is, war is the business. 199 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,483 What I mean when I say it's not private enterprise, 200 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,526 is that it's much more like state socialism. 201 00:17:48,651 --> 00:17:50,820 You have only one customer. 202 00:17:50,904 --> 00:17:53,198 The customer is not particularly interested 203 00:17:53,323 --> 00:17:56,743 in getting the best possible use of his money. 204 00:17:56,868 --> 00:17:59,120 He's much more interested in simply... 205 00:17:59,204 --> 00:18:00,663 Getting the contracts filled. 206 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:04,584 Moreover, there is a huge circulation of elites today 207 00:18:04,709 --> 00:18:08,838 in the sense that most of the operating positions, 208 00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:11,174 appointed positions in the Pentagon today, 209 00:18:11,257 --> 00:18:14,678 are executives from the military-industrial complex. 210 00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:16,554 Whereas, by contrast, 211 00:18:16,638 --> 00:18:19,474 any number of the high officials in these companies 212 00:18:19,557 --> 00:18:23,186 are retired high-ranking American military officers. 213 00:18:23,311 --> 00:18:24,562 Woman: [ On radio ] Well, I want to thank you 214 00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:25,980 for being with us, Chalmers Johnson. 215 00:18:26,731 --> 00:18:29,609 His piece appears in this month's... "Harper's". 216 00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:33,196 It's called "War Business: Squeezing a Profit from the Wreckage in Iraq", 217 00:18:33,321 --> 00:18:36,574 As well as David Bacon whose piece appears in "Progressive" magazine. 218 00:18:36,658 --> 00:18:39,452 Chalmers Johnson's piece ends: "this is the future 219 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:41,496 when war becomes the most profitable..." 220 00:18:41,579 --> 00:18:43,581 221 00:18:45,875 --> 00:18:49,379 H: I'd get about 8 or 10, 15 people at the house. 222 00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:51,923 Big party, watch movies, play games. 223 00:18:55,677 --> 00:18:58,430 Happy Horseman: Kind of a potluck supper kind of thing. 224 00:18:58,555 --> 00:19:00,598 Some people would bring over some beans or chips 225 00:19:00,724 --> 00:19:04,477 and a meat entree or something. 226 00:19:04,602 --> 00:19:06,354 And of course, lots of beer. 227 00:19:06,438 --> 00:19:10,191 And once in a while there was a few mixed drinks. 228 00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,527 It was kind of fun, throwing all kinds of stuff into the blender 229 00:19:12,610 --> 00:19:17,115 and churning out things that kind of had a slushy flavour to them, 230 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,285 that about six or seven of them would knock you on your ass. 231 00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:22,412 You can only put so many bottles of rum in some of this stuff. 232 00:19:26,750 --> 00:19:29,627 There was no special flashy... 233 00:19:29,753 --> 00:19:33,715 Nothing going on that was all that strange and unusual. 234 00:19:37,052 --> 00:19:40,930 I mean, this goes on in hundreds and thousands of places all over the country. 235 00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:46,102 Age was never really all that important. 236 00:19:46,186 --> 00:19:47,937 As long as you were old enough to drink, 237 00:19:48,021 --> 00:19:51,524 you weren't senile and could talk coherently, 238 00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:53,485 conversation would always ensue. 239 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:55,987 Do you wear boxers or a thong? 240 00:19:56,071 --> 00:19:58,031 [ Laughter ] 241 00:20:03,161 --> 00:20:05,246 Happy Horseman: It was pretty much a classless society 242 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:07,415 of our own little small world. 243 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:12,128 No one had any kind of different statuses 244 00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:14,631 and who was this and who was that. 245 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:18,259 There was no alphas and omegas and betas running around anywhere. 246 00:20:18,343 --> 00:20:20,345 247 00:20:22,347 --> 00:20:25,600 Coyote: Being able to get away, 248 00:20:25,684 --> 00:20:28,436 just let everything hang. 249 00:20:33,692 --> 00:20:36,027 Anything I can bring up or want to talk about, 250 00:20:36,111 --> 00:20:42,659 it didn't matter what was on my mind, these were people I could trust. 251 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,371 I could just let my hair down 252 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:48,331 and not have to worry about things. 253 00:20:48,415 --> 00:20:50,375 254 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:17,861 255 00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:23,366 H: There was things in him 256 00:21:23,491 --> 00:21:25,452 that he really didn't want people to know. 257 00:21:25,577 --> 00:21:27,203 He wouldn't tell you. He wouldn't tell you the truth. 258 00:21:27,328 --> 00:21:29,289 259 00:21:32,083 --> 00:21:34,753 It took me a long time to find out his real name. 260 00:21:34,878 --> 00:21:39,591 And it was about a year before I knew Mr. Hands' real name. 261 00:21:39,674 --> 00:21:41,092 It was just always Mr. Hands. 262 00:21:41,217 --> 00:21:44,387 "I go by Mr. Hands." 263 00:21:44,471 --> 00:21:47,140 Man: [ On television ] Okay, Jim, it was quite a ride, 264 00:21:47,265 --> 00:21:49,309 But we got it done. 265 00:21:49,434 --> 00:21:53,438 Roger. You're five-by, Jim, and we're sailing free. 266 00:21:53,563 --> 00:21:55,523 Coyote: The flag and stuff that they put on the moon 267 00:21:55,607 --> 00:21:58,818 and it looks like it's waving in the breeze, what do you know? 268 00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:01,446 Of course, there's no atmosphere on the moon at all. 269 00:22:04,282 --> 00:22:05,450 H: People would come out, 270 00:22:05,575 --> 00:22:06,910 and we'd walk out into the barn 271 00:22:06,993 --> 00:22:09,162 and I'd show them my horses and I'd show my bulls, 272 00:22:09,287 --> 00:22:11,915 and they'd ask me different questions about them. 273 00:22:14,292 --> 00:22:16,628 I'd tell them what this was and what that was. 274 00:22:18,254 --> 00:22:20,215 "How come his legs look like that?" 275 00:22:20,298 --> 00:22:22,384 "It's because he's resting." 276 00:22:24,803 --> 00:22:26,930 It wasn't the fanciest place in the world. 277 00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:32,102 It had cows in it, so there was crap all over the floors. 278 00:22:32,185 --> 00:22:33,978 There was horseshit all over the floors. 279 00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:41,111 The horses would come in and out, and the bulls would come in and out. 280 00:22:44,531 --> 00:22:48,326 And it was just, like, "hey, let's go out to the barn and pester the animals". 281 00:22:51,162 --> 00:22:52,914 "Well, there they are. Go ahead." 282 00:22:56,584 --> 00:23:00,088 "Just be careful, because if you stand too long in one place, 283 00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:01,506 It's going to happen." 284 00:23:08,179 --> 00:23:09,973 If you just stand there, they'll walk up behind you 285 00:23:10,056 --> 00:23:11,725 and put their head on your shoulder and talk to you. 286 00:23:13,935 --> 00:23:16,479 They're going to pick up that pheromone that your body's putting off, 287 00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:18,440 and they're going to mount you. 288 00:23:21,651 --> 00:23:25,030 If you don't move, you're bred... 289 00:23:25,155 --> 00:23:26,322 [ Chuckling ] 290 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:28,033 And I mean bred. 291 00:23:37,208 --> 00:23:39,336 There was times that people'd come over expecting it, 292 00:23:39,461 --> 00:23:42,088 and no, it never happened. 293 00:23:56,561 --> 00:23:57,312 294 00:23:59,522 --> 00:24:02,025 Jenny: We had one horse that we called Chance 295 00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:04,110 when we brought him in. 296 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,615 He was blind. 297 00:24:10,658 --> 00:24:14,454 And he was in this area where it was just nothing but blackberry bushes, 298 00:24:14,579 --> 00:24:16,539 so he kept poking himself in the eye. 299 00:24:21,544 --> 00:24:23,755 We ultimately had to remove both of his eyes, 300 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,761 because he had re-injured himself so many times trying to forage for food. 301 00:24:34,391 --> 00:24:36,935 I mean, it touched all of us very deeply. 302 00:24:47,779 --> 00:24:50,949 When we took that horse to the veterinary hospital, 303 00:24:51,074 --> 00:24:52,951 we were advised to put him down. 304 00:24:58,248 --> 00:25:01,209 But our feeling and our experience has been 305 00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:05,171 that just because it has a problem like blindness, 306 00:25:05,296 --> 00:25:07,924 that's not a good enough reason to just end their life. 307 00:25:08,049 --> 00:25:09,509 [ Airplane roaring ] 308 00:25:11,219 --> 00:25:13,638 Man: [ On radio ] One of the things we found fascinating about the story 309 00:25:13,763 --> 00:25:16,349 is that the news media in the Puget Sound 310 00:25:16,474 --> 00:25:18,935 would not reveal the name of the victim. 311 00:25:23,648 --> 00:25:27,819 We believe we have the name of that man. 312 00:25:30,989 --> 00:25:33,158 We talked to somebody who worked with this guy. 313 00:25:33,283 --> 00:25:38,580 We talked to someone who got a memo at work about the death of this guy. 314 00:25:38,663 --> 00:25:41,041 We talked to people who told us that... 315 00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:43,209 Federal employees were coming in saying 316 00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:45,962 this name was never, ever, ever to be given out. 317 00:25:49,674 --> 00:25:51,134 Woman: My name is Pam Roach, 318 00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:53,970 and I'm the State Senator that covers the area of Enumclaw 319 00:25:54,054 --> 00:25:56,848 and all the lovely area on the Enumclaw Plateau. 320 00:25:56,973 --> 00:25:58,975 It's a beautiful area, as you can see. 321 00:25:59,059 --> 00:26:02,979 There are a lot of farms, a lot of people that love to have animals on these farms, 322 00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:04,689 and a great place to raise children. 323 00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:13,239 I could never believe that an animal would do this on their own. 324 00:26:14,741 --> 00:26:18,828 We don't allow adults to abuse children sexually. 325 00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:20,663 Children cannot consent. 326 00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:26,044 Children are innocent, and so are animals. They cannot consent, and they're innocent. 327 00:26:30,548 --> 00:26:32,509 Mrs. Edwards. 328 00:26:32,592 --> 00:26:34,552 Ready to rescue those horses? 329 00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:38,932 Happy Horseman: This is a nice little town. 330 00:26:39,057 --> 00:26:40,392 It's not the big city. 331 00:26:40,517 --> 00:26:44,479 You don't have to deal with the hustle, the bustle, and the crime rate. 332 00:26:44,562 --> 00:26:47,941 Mostly you see in the paper, somebody's trashcan gets knocked over, 333 00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:51,319 or the drunk next-door neighbour comes over and pissing on their tires. 334 00:26:53,071 --> 00:26:56,366 It was not a town that had a whole lot going on in it. 335 00:26:56,449 --> 00:26:58,118 It was quiet. 336 00:27:00,829 --> 00:27:02,664 There was a couple Chinese food restaurants. 337 00:27:02,747 --> 00:27:05,375 There was a Mexican food restaurant we'd go to quite a bit. 338 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,215 Quite a few different places to go eat at. 339 00:27:18,847 --> 00:27:20,807 You know, we're not isolated out there. 340 00:27:23,518 --> 00:27:26,604 We liked the rural setting but you're not, you know, 341 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:28,106 dropped in the middle of nowhere. 342 00:27:28,231 --> 00:27:30,191 343 00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:41,536 H: Him and his ex-wife got along really well. 344 00:27:45,123 --> 00:27:46,958 He talked to her on the phone all the time. 345 00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:51,796 She seemed like a nice girl. 346 00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:56,384 Since the divorce, they had gotten to be best of friends. 347 00:27:58,636 --> 00:28:01,097 They were still friends up until the day he died. 348 00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:09,105 Happy Horseman: The type of work he did was basically top secret. 349 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,277 H: I knew what he did. 350 00:28:14,361 --> 00:28:16,863 I knew exactly what he did and how he went about doing it, 351 00:28:16,988 --> 00:28:20,575 but... It was just something that we'd discuss 352 00:28:20,658 --> 00:28:23,161 that was never to be talked about. 353 00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:28,792 Happy Horseman: I think at one time he was very conservative. 354 00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:32,128 After a while things started changing. 355 00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:36,883 Things started opening up in front of him. 356 00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:41,638 He was going, "you know, this really doesn't seem right to me. 357 00:28:41,763 --> 00:28:47,394 Something about this just is... Kind of wrong." 358 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,479 359 00:29:03,201 --> 00:29:06,246 H: I had a, uh, apple tree... 360 00:29:06,371 --> 00:29:09,916 Fir tree and a weeping willow. 361 00:29:15,088 --> 00:29:20,260 And otherwise it was all open pasture, all open field. 362 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:25,890 Happy Horseman: Occasionally, there'd be some discussion 363 00:29:25,974 --> 00:29:29,769 on some constitutional issues of basic freedoms 364 00:29:29,894 --> 00:29:33,523 being usurped by certain political parties 365 00:29:33,606 --> 00:29:38,194 who thought that they needed to control the morality of the world, 366 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,697 and they didn't care exactly how they got to do it. 367 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:42,741 368 00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:56,254 H: When it'd come to work, he was all business. 369 00:29:57,630 --> 00:30:01,259 When he'd come out to the farm, he was a completely different person. 370 00:30:01,384 --> 00:30:03,762 He'd be relaxed. He was comfortable. 371 00:30:03,887 --> 00:30:05,847 372 00:30:20,987 --> 00:30:23,448 Jenny: They were here during that time 373 00:30:23,531 --> 00:30:26,201 for the son to visit his father. 374 00:30:26,284 --> 00:30:29,537 Woman: [ On P.A. ] Flight number 324 to Seattle will be leaving gate 26A... 375 00:30:31,498 --> 00:30:33,375 Jenny: You know, here they had come all this way 376 00:30:33,458 --> 00:30:36,961 to have this sort of normal family vacation. 377 00:30:39,923 --> 00:30:44,427 About halfway through their vacation... 378 00:30:44,552 --> 00:30:46,971 The death happened. 379 00:30:56,481 --> 00:30:58,900 H: I called him at work 380 00:30:58,983 --> 00:31:02,946 and I said, "are you going to come out tonight?" 381 00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:05,615 He goes, "no, but I'll be out next weekend". 382 00:31:05,699 --> 00:31:07,659 I said, "oh, no, you gotta come out tonight. 383 00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:10,036 There's somebody here that wants to meet you." 384 00:31:10,161 --> 00:31:14,582 And we argued a little bit over the phone, and I finally got him to come out. 385 00:31:16,501 --> 00:31:18,086 Well, that was my downfall. 386 00:31:23,383 --> 00:31:27,387 Just irritates me thinking about it. 387 00:31:27,512 --> 00:31:29,764 Turn this thing off... Please. 388 00:31:32,225 --> 00:31:34,185 389 00:31:45,447 --> 00:31:48,700 Happy Horseman: You're connecting with another intelligent being 390 00:31:48,825 --> 00:31:54,706 who is very happy to... 391 00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:57,667 Participate, be involved. 392 00:31:57,751 --> 00:31:59,711 393 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,846 You're not going to be able to ask it about the latest Madonna album. 394 00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:15,560 It has no idea what Tolstoy is, or Keats. 395 00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:22,025 You can't discuss the difference between Monet and Picasso. 396 00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:24,402 It just doesn't exist for their world. 397 00:32:25,445 --> 00:32:28,740 It's a simpler, very plain world. 398 00:32:28,865 --> 00:32:33,536 And for those few moments, you kind of can get disconnected. 399 00:32:33,661 --> 00:32:35,622 400 00:32:43,755 --> 00:32:47,342 It's a very intense, wonderful kind of feeling. 401 00:32:48,677 --> 00:32:50,887 I don't think anything really can kind of compare to it. 402 00:32:54,182 --> 00:32:55,308 There's no pain. 403 00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:57,394 404 00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:07,946 At no time, in any way, shape or form, 405 00:33:08,071 --> 00:33:13,743 has anybody forced, coerced, drugs, ropes, whatever. 406 00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:17,997 There's no bondage or anything like that involved in any of this, 407 00:33:18,123 --> 00:33:20,083 Because these are... 408 00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:21,626 These are your friends. 409 00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:23,712 410 00:33:24,921 --> 00:33:26,006 [ Door hinges squeaking ] 411 00:33:28,174 --> 00:33:29,134 [ Door slams shut ] 412 00:33:29,259 --> 00:33:31,219 413 00:33:33,972 --> 00:33:37,100 I had... 414 00:33:37,225 --> 00:33:41,021 Submitted a... 415 00:33:41,146 --> 00:33:48,486 Query regarding another role, uh, which I didn't get and... 416 00:33:48,611 --> 00:33:50,572 After that, I forgot all about it. 417 00:33:50,655 --> 00:33:52,991 And then about two months later, 418 00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:59,497 I received a e-mail letting me know that the director had... 419 00:33:59,581 --> 00:34:02,834 Saved my pictures that I had submitted 420 00:34:03,001 --> 00:34:07,213 and was interested in meeting with me for the role of cop #1 421 00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:09,591 for a movie, and that's all I knew. [ Chuckling ] 422 00:34:15,263 --> 00:34:22,729 I met with Rob the next day, and, uh, I was frantically looking for a place to park, 423 00:34:22,854 --> 00:34:25,523 and I was real... I was becoming later and later 424 00:34:25,648 --> 00:34:27,859 and I was stressed out, and finally... 425 00:34:27,984 --> 00:34:30,612 I just parked in a, um, a loading zone, 426 00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:33,823 and I ran down to the... To where I was supposed to meet Rob, and... 427 00:34:33,907 --> 00:34:35,325 And just let him know. 428 00:34:36,701 --> 00:34:38,703 And he said, "well, um... [ Clears throat ] 429 00:34:38,828 --> 00:34:40,997 Just go back to your car and I'll meet you over there." 430 00:34:41,081 --> 00:34:44,167 So I went over there and stood by my car, 431 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:50,298 and we started chatting about... About the movie. 432 00:34:50,382 --> 00:34:53,051 And at that time, 433 00:34:53,176 --> 00:34:56,346 he told me what the movie was about and... 434 00:34:56,471 --> 00:34:58,598 You know, I was... 435 00:34:58,723 --> 00:35:02,143 It didn't faze me because... 436 00:35:02,227 --> 00:35:04,104 I have, um... 437 00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:05,939 I've seen the best of humanity 438 00:35:06,064 --> 00:35:09,526 and I've also seen the darkest parts of humanity. 439 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:14,280 The summer prior to this incident, 440 00:35:14,406 --> 00:35:17,492 I was in a softball tournament in Enumclaw, 441 00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:22,414 and I had a... A guy on the opposing team 442 00:35:22,539 --> 00:35:24,332 injured himself in the outfield, 443 00:35:24,416 --> 00:35:28,336 and I actually helped him onto the stretcher 444 00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:33,049 that took him to the very same hospital where this man died. 445 00:35:33,133 --> 00:35:36,219 And, you know, that hits kind of close to home. 446 00:35:39,139 --> 00:35:42,225 The cold, harsh, brutal reality 447 00:35:42,308 --> 00:35:45,186 is a man bled to death, okay? 448 00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:49,149 And as I researched my role 449 00:35:49,274 --> 00:35:53,820 and revisited some articles that I had read a year prior, 450 00:35:53,945 --> 00:36:00,201 and also some new information, you know, I... 451 00:36:00,285 --> 00:36:02,787 I thought about... 452 00:36:02,871 --> 00:36:05,206 I thought about what was going through this man's mind 453 00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:06,583 as he was bleeding to death. 454 00:36:08,376 --> 00:36:13,131 And how did he find himself in this place at this time? 455 00:36:13,214 --> 00:36:16,718 And, uh... 456 00:36:16,801 --> 00:36:20,013 You know, I had the experience 457 00:36:20,138 --> 00:36:26,770 of holding a corpse in my hands that was a few minutes before 458 00:36:26,895 --> 00:36:33,026 a seven-year-old boy that had drowned in a swimming pool, 459 00:36:33,151 --> 00:36:38,114 and his last breath was... 460 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,742 Frozen in time on his face. 461 00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:44,371 And his... His eyes were fixed, 462 00:36:44,496 --> 00:36:47,207 and I could see right down into his mouth, 463 00:36:47,332 --> 00:36:50,669 and it was ghostly white, and it... 464 00:36:52,337 --> 00:36:58,468 At that moment, when I was staring into those empty eyes 465 00:36:58,551 --> 00:37:01,096 and looking into the depths of death, 466 00:37:01,179 --> 00:37:03,890 all's I saw was my own reflection. 467 00:37:04,015 --> 00:37:09,979 And... To be there at that moment in time, 468 00:37:10,063 --> 00:37:13,191 during that tragedy, [ Sighing ] 469 00:37:13,316 --> 00:37:17,987 for a little boy that could not be revived, 470 00:37:18,113 --> 00:37:23,451 and ended up dying on Mother's Day, 471 00:37:23,535 --> 00:37:26,329 you know, that... That's embossed in my heart. 472 00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:28,957 And... And it's... It... 473 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,543 When someone dies, it's... 474 00:37:31,626 --> 00:37:35,130 It's something that I... I take to heart 475 00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:37,215 because there's nothing trivial about it. 476 00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:41,845 There's people that... 477 00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:44,472 That love that individual, 478 00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:45,807 and they will never see them again. 479 00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:48,727 And that's a tragedy. 480 00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:51,646 [ Helicopter whirring ] 481 00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:02,323 Happy Horseman: We knew it was going to happen. 482 00:38:02,407 --> 00:38:03,908 But we didn't know when. 483 00:38:07,662 --> 00:38:09,622 484 00:38:46,951 --> 00:38:49,037 H: The media pushed this thing 485 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,122 so far out of proportion, it's unreal. 486 00:38:56,211 --> 00:38:59,255 Happy Horseman: How many places do you know of 487 00:38:59,381 --> 00:39:04,886 that actually gets CNN news to go down and fly a helicopter over the property 488 00:39:04,969 --> 00:39:08,640 just so they can have some footage for an accidental death? 489 00:39:19,234 --> 00:39:20,652 H: One day I'm doing just fine, 490 00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:23,196 and the next day I'm an evil person. 491 00:39:23,321 --> 00:39:25,281 There's nothing evil about me. 492 00:39:29,369 --> 00:39:31,204 I wasn't breaking the law. 493 00:39:33,331 --> 00:39:37,836 I had everything going for me and it all come crashing down around me. 494 00:39:37,961 --> 00:39:41,631 Anchor: [ On TV ] ...Animal cruelty after a bizarre death in King County. 495 00:39:41,756 --> 00:39:43,299 Reporter: [ On TV ] According to the Sheriff's Department, 496 00:39:43,425 --> 00:39:47,762 the man died from internal bleeding after allegedly having sex with a horse in Enumclaw. 497 00:39:47,846 --> 00:39:49,848 According to the King County Sheriff's Office... 498 00:39:55,770 --> 00:40:00,191 Authorities were able to find the farm after the man was dropped off at a local hospital. 499 00:40:00,275 --> 00:40:04,070 Surveillance cameras traced the vehicle used back to the farm. 500 00:40:04,195 --> 00:40:09,242 Deputies say they are investigating the possibility that animal cruelty laws might apply. 501 00:40:09,367 --> 00:40:12,495 H: We had buckets full of tapes and CDs and stuff. 502 00:40:14,706 --> 00:40:18,918 I wanted to get the stuff out of the house. 503 00:40:19,044 --> 00:40:20,670 I was scared. 504 00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:21,713 [ Phone ringing ] 505 00:40:21,838 --> 00:40:23,465 Happy Horseman: We did notice 506 00:40:23,548 --> 00:40:27,177 a very definite change in the phone service. 507 00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:29,220 [ Ringing ] 508 00:40:29,346 --> 00:40:32,891 Happy Horseman: Picking up the phone, every 15 seconds, 509 00:40:33,016 --> 00:40:35,477 there would be a little blank spot. 510 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,188 Nobody at either end could hear. 511 00:40:38,271 --> 00:40:40,023 And then it would come back to normal again. 512 00:40:40,106 --> 00:40:42,442 Every 15 seconds. 513 00:40:42,567 --> 00:40:45,070 And that went on for quite a few days. 514 00:40:45,195 --> 00:40:47,155 [ Banging on door ] 515 00:41:08,677 --> 00:41:11,262 We were actually getting tracts, religious tracts. 516 00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,935 People were trying to save our souls. 517 00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:19,020 518 00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:33,993 Man 1 : [ On phone ] Hello, dad! 519 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,162 Man 2: Hello, son! 520 00:41:36,287 --> 00:41:38,039 Man 1: Hey, dad, you know what? 521 00:41:38,123 --> 00:41:40,583 They... They need to get this guy's name out there. 522 00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:44,754 What's the guy thinking, screwing a horse? 523 00:41:44,879 --> 00:41:46,673 - [ Laughter ] -...Find out. 524 00:41:46,798 --> 00:41:48,675 [ Laughter ] 525 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,094 Man 2: Well, nobody finds out if you live! 526 00:42:04,315 --> 00:42:06,484 Rush Limbaugh: [ On radio ] To the remaining items in our news digest today: 527 00:42:06,609 --> 00:42:08,820 "people who have..." This from Olympia, Washington. 528 00:42:08,945 --> 00:42:15,035 "People who have sex with animals should face felony convictions for animal cruelty", 529 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,913 says a Republican Senator pushing for a ban on bestiality. 530 00:42:18,997 --> 00:42:22,250 "These animals don't have the cognitive ability to consent 531 00:42:22,334 --> 00:42:26,171 and that is the case, that we have to be protecting them", said Pam Roach. 532 00:42:26,254 --> 00:42:30,008 Really, now, I hate to express my naivete about these kinds of things, 533 00:42:30,133 --> 00:42:31,718 but... Well, no, I don't, actually. 534 00:42:31,843 --> 00:42:34,304 I'm very proud to be naive about these kinds of things. 535 00:42:34,387 --> 00:42:36,222 But how do they know the horse didn't consent? 536 00:42:36,348 --> 00:42:37,557 How in the world... 537 00:42:39,309 --> 00:42:43,188 Can this happen without consent? 538 00:42:43,313 --> 00:42:45,190 We're talking... We're... 539 00:42:47,734 --> 00:42:49,819 We're talking about a human being and a horse. 540 00:42:49,903 --> 00:42:52,197 [ Stammering ] If... If the horse didn't consent, 541 00:42:52,322 --> 00:42:54,282 then none of this would have happened. 542 00:43:00,872 --> 00:43:03,875 Happy Horseman: They're looking for a spark... 543 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,461 To get a shit storm started. 544 00:43:09,798 --> 00:43:11,841 And this provided that spark. 545 00:43:11,925 --> 00:43:13,885 546 00:43:25,897 --> 00:43:27,649 He said, "stop right where you're at. 547 00:43:27,732 --> 00:43:31,069 Put your hands behind you. You're being arrested for homicide." 548 00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:33,613 And I said, "what? I am?" 549 00:43:34,656 --> 00:43:37,117 "I can't tell you any more. You've got to come with me." 550 00:43:37,242 --> 00:43:39,202 551 00:44:20,618 --> 00:44:22,245 H: I had it loaded. 552 00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:27,459 I had it in my mouth. 553 00:44:31,171 --> 00:44:33,298 I was going to blow the top of my head off. 554 00:44:36,676 --> 00:44:37,969 That's how I felt. 555 00:44:40,138 --> 00:44:41,473 50 calibre rifle. 556 00:44:41,598 --> 00:44:42,766 Black powder. 557 00:44:45,018 --> 00:44:47,270 Can you imagine what that would have done to me? 558 00:44:57,364 --> 00:44:59,991 [ Grunting on TV ] 559 00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:05,497 [ Inaudible ] 560 00:45:11,378 --> 00:45:14,297 H: They were investigating a homicide that didn't happen. 561 00:45:17,509 --> 00:45:19,469 [ Grunting continues ] 562 00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:27,227 H: They assumed it was the horse that killed Mr. Hands. 563 00:45:31,898 --> 00:45:34,025 They assumed that. 564 00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:35,443 [ Grunting/groaning on TV ] 565 00:45:36,528 --> 00:45:38,071 Mr. Hands: [ On TV ] Oh, God... 566 00:45:38,196 --> 00:45:40,448 H: It doesn't show anything. 567 00:45:42,617 --> 00:45:46,538 All's it shows is the horse doing something. 568 00:45:46,663 --> 00:45:48,623 [ Grunting continues ] 569 00:45:57,465 --> 00:45:59,509 Man: Is that your horse? 570 00:46:02,178 --> 00:46:03,805 Coyote: In their mind, they don't care 571 00:46:03,888 --> 00:46:07,017 whether it's a filly underneath them or a human. 572 00:46:11,312 --> 00:46:13,523 You've got something like a male animal, 573 00:46:15,525 --> 00:46:19,195 pretty much our purpose on this earth is to procreate. 574 00:46:21,573 --> 00:46:25,201 I don't mean to sound detrimental to males, 575 00:46:27,996 --> 00:46:32,083 but we're here to pass the seed along that keeps generations going. 576 00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:36,963 So there's always that drive. 577 00:46:40,008 --> 00:46:41,968 [ Moaning ] 578 00:46:42,093 --> 00:46:44,137 Get out of my head! 579 00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:46,264 Happy Horseman: There were some nutcases in that jail. 580 00:46:46,389 --> 00:46:48,183 Get out of my head! 581 00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:49,559 [ Groaning ] 582 00:46:49,642 --> 00:46:51,978 Get out of my head! Get out of my head! 583 00:46:52,103 --> 00:46:56,024 Happy Horseman: You're dealing with some very strange mentality. 584 00:46:56,107 --> 00:46:58,109 And they had one guy up in there, just thinks it's kind of fun 585 00:46:58,234 --> 00:47:00,236 to go around instigating fights. 586 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,364 I've got a couple friends who are coming here... 587 00:47:02,447 --> 00:47:04,366 We're going to blow a hole in the walls. 588 00:47:04,449 --> 00:47:06,493 Happy Horseman: Jeez, this is nuts. 589 00:47:06,618 --> 00:47:08,495 I'm stuck with all these guys in here. 590 00:47:10,914 --> 00:47:12,749 Finally, they took me upstairs 591 00:47:12,832 --> 00:47:16,378 and said, "okay, this is... This and this and this and this. 592 00:47:16,461 --> 00:47:20,090 And we already know about that. And this and this and this. Sign here." 593 00:47:24,135 --> 00:47:25,637 "No. 594 00:47:28,598 --> 00:47:32,977 What you've been hearing is not exactly true." 595 00:47:40,902 --> 00:47:43,613 We were basically gone for the weekend. 596 00:47:47,492 --> 00:47:51,913 We were not expecting Mr. Hands to make an appearance at all. 597 00:47:59,754 --> 00:48:01,464 H: Every time he'd come out to the house, 598 00:48:01,548 --> 00:48:03,383 It was always about the son... 599 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,473 How he's coming along in school. His writing was getting better. 600 00:48:12,392 --> 00:48:13,977 This went on for hours. 601 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,772 Oh, yeah. He loved his boy. 602 00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:23,820 That was one of the things he was setting up the house for. 603 00:48:25,905 --> 00:48:28,575 It was for her to come back and live with him. 604 00:48:30,535 --> 00:48:32,787 So he could be closer to his son. 605 00:48:32,871 --> 00:48:34,873 606 00:48:43,423 --> 00:48:47,302 Coyote: He was losing blood into his abdominal cavity. 607 00:48:51,056 --> 00:48:54,100 You can have an injury like that and be bleeding to death internally 608 00:48:54,225 --> 00:48:55,810 and not really feel it. 609 00:48:59,314 --> 00:49:03,276 I don't know if he really understood 610 00:49:03,401 --> 00:49:05,862 that what had happened was something that was killing him. 611 00:49:18,083 --> 00:49:20,210 Happy Horseman: He thought that getting married, having kids... 612 00:49:20,335 --> 00:49:22,045 That was going to be the greatest thing in his life, 613 00:49:22,170 --> 00:49:23,880 and that didn't turn out as great. 614 00:49:26,091 --> 00:49:31,721 Some of the different relationships he's had, just close friends... 615 00:49:31,805 --> 00:49:33,973 Others, it went further than that... 616 00:49:34,099 --> 00:49:35,725 Some of those didn't turn out so good. 617 00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:40,397 So in a way... Coming to the ranch was, 618 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,483 "I don't have to impress anybody. 619 00:49:43,608 --> 00:49:45,735 I don't have to really deal with relationships." 620 00:49:47,737 --> 00:49:50,281 Jenny: His family had commented to me 621 00:49:50,407 --> 00:49:54,494 that they were shocked when he called and said, "I bought a horse". 622 00:49:57,122 --> 00:50:00,000 They didn't want to go onto the property 623 00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:04,379 because they didn't want to have anything to do with the people that were involved. 624 00:50:04,462 --> 00:50:09,843 But from an estate point of view, they had these animals that had to be dealt with. 625 00:50:09,968 --> 00:50:11,928 626 00:50:14,055 --> 00:50:16,725 H: The sheriff gave me seven days to get out. 627 00:50:22,647 --> 00:50:24,441 I already gave my mares away. 628 00:50:27,819 --> 00:50:33,241 I already took my bulls to the auction and all I had left was Gablar and Strut. 629 00:50:37,495 --> 00:50:39,664 Jenny: The brother, the father and l 630 00:50:39,789 --> 00:50:43,418 all met in the station and the police led us out to the property. 631 00:50:47,005 --> 00:50:52,135 We pulled up into the yard and the police chief drove on. 632 00:50:56,014 --> 00:51:00,477 And that's when I really realized that he wasn't going to come in with us. 633 00:51:10,362 --> 00:51:18,286 This guy came out and it was extremely obvious that he was very deeply involved. 634 00:51:21,373 --> 00:51:24,542 The brother just kept saying, "keep me away from this guy. 635 00:51:24,668 --> 00:51:26,795 Just keep me away from this guy." 636 00:51:28,338 --> 00:51:31,716 He struck us as a child molester type, 637 00:51:31,841 --> 00:51:35,720 just a really creepy kind of guy. 638 00:51:35,845 --> 00:51:40,016 So I said, "we've come to pick up one or two horses. Where are they??" 639 00:51:40,141 --> 00:51:42,102 640 00:52:06,668 --> 00:52:11,923 At the time, I thought, "I can't think through this right now". 641 00:52:12,048 --> 00:52:15,427 So I just turned on my internal camera, my head cam. 642 00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:20,682 What does that look like? And what's this barn look like? 643 00:52:20,765 --> 00:52:22,684 And what's this area look like? 644 00:52:28,732 --> 00:52:33,069 He just kept saying, "I'm all torn up over this. I'm just all torn up over this". 645 00:52:33,153 --> 00:52:37,907 And it was just so not real. 646 00:52:45,957 --> 00:52:49,419 And then he pointed to the ceiling and there was a kind of a rope thing 647 00:52:49,544 --> 00:52:53,006 with a small noose-looking thing at the end of this rope, 648 00:52:53,131 --> 00:52:55,425 and he said this is where he would work the horse. 649 00:52:57,427 --> 00:53:00,597 And I thought, "Whoa. What do you mean... 650 00:53:02,307 --> 00:53:03,975 'Work a horse'?" 651 00:53:06,978 --> 00:53:08,438 H: That rope is a training tool. 652 00:53:14,110 --> 00:53:17,614 They're called a high tie. 653 00:53:17,697 --> 00:53:20,283 And what he'd do is he'd tie the horse's lead rope to that. 654 00:53:23,661 --> 00:53:29,584 And the horse could go around in the pen, but he couldn't get out. 655 00:53:32,587 --> 00:53:35,548 He was teaching himself how to ride. 656 00:53:38,635 --> 00:53:40,553 Jenny: Stallions can be very dangerous. 657 00:53:44,224 --> 00:53:47,477 We didn't know what his interaction had been with humans. 658 00:53:51,523 --> 00:53:53,733 I just spoke quietly to him. 659 00:53:56,236 --> 00:53:59,531 I probably said things like... 660 00:53:59,656 --> 00:54:04,452 "Oh, you're a pretty boy. It's a beautiful day." 661 00:54:08,498 --> 00:54:12,877 H: Well, my impression of Jenny is that, uh... 662 00:54:12,961 --> 00:54:16,256 She doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to a horse. 663 00:54:19,384 --> 00:54:20,677 Period. 664 00:54:23,513 --> 00:54:25,390 She comes across as being a person 665 00:54:25,473 --> 00:54:27,559 that knows everything there is about horses, 666 00:54:27,684 --> 00:54:30,729 but to me, she doesn't know anything about them at all. 667 00:54:35,984 --> 00:54:37,235 [ Horse snorting ] 668 00:54:38,528 --> 00:54:41,364 Even her husband doesn't know how to handle a horse. 669 00:54:49,914 --> 00:54:52,375 [ Horse whinnying ] 670 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,548 Jenny: I didn't realize until we got there 671 00:54:58,631 --> 00:55:01,509 that he'd owned two horses. 672 00:55:01,593 --> 00:55:06,056 So I started asking questions about the other horse. 673 00:55:07,390 --> 00:55:09,559 "What's the status of Strut?" 674 00:55:11,394 --> 00:55:15,732 And he said, "well, I own that horse. He gave that horse to me". 675 00:55:17,067 --> 00:55:19,819 And I said, "well, show me your bill of sale". 676 00:55:21,905 --> 00:55:23,782 And he goes, "well, I don't have that". 677 00:55:23,907 --> 00:55:25,992 And I said, "well, you need a bill of sale". 678 00:55:27,118 --> 00:55:30,246 And then about that time, this guy shows up in a little truck. 679 00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:36,127 H: The person that bought Strut is a friend of mine. 680 00:55:39,464 --> 00:55:41,758 And there was a bill of sale and everything was there. 681 00:55:46,054 --> 00:55:49,182 I don't think if, uh... Even if I didn't have the paperwork, 682 00:55:49,307 --> 00:55:51,184 I was going to let her take that horse. 683 00:55:52,686 --> 00:55:53,853 Jenny: But then a weird thing happened. 684 00:55:53,978 --> 00:55:57,774 This little mini came up and got up under 685 00:55:57,857 --> 00:56:00,819 and started giving the stallion a blow job. 686 00:56:03,321 --> 00:56:05,740 It was the strangest thing I've ever seen. 687 00:56:05,824 --> 00:56:07,033 Ever. 688 00:56:07,158 --> 00:56:09,119 689 00:56:26,177 --> 00:56:29,014 Happy Horseman: I didn't get home until much, much later that evening 690 00:56:29,097 --> 00:56:32,308 and hadn't really paid too much attention to Mr. Hands. 691 00:56:38,732 --> 00:56:41,234 We did acknowledge each other's existence. 692 00:56:45,238 --> 00:56:47,615 H: I had to leave. My boss was out of town 693 00:56:47,699 --> 00:56:50,076 and I was taking care of his horses at his place. 694 00:56:51,703 --> 00:56:53,246 It was around 10:00, 11:00 o'clock, 695 00:56:53,371 --> 00:56:55,206 and usually I feed them at 8:00 o'clock. 696 00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:59,127 I went over there ; I'd been drinking. 697 00:57:00,587 --> 00:57:02,339 But I was hungry, so I ate something. 698 00:57:04,716 --> 00:57:08,887 Well, that was my downfall, because as soon as I eat, I just pass out. 699 00:57:15,226 --> 00:57:17,854 Happy Horseman: Something bad happened out there. 700 00:57:21,358 --> 00:57:25,403 I don't think Mr. Hands knew this particular animal very much. 701 00:57:27,572 --> 00:57:31,534 And I don't think the gentleman that was with him 702 00:57:31,618 --> 00:57:35,372 was really attuned to that animal, as well. 703 00:57:38,458 --> 00:57:42,504 It wasn't until around 5:15, 5:20 in the morning 704 00:57:42,587 --> 00:57:46,508 that he made the announcement that he needed to go to the hospital right away. 705 00:57:49,761 --> 00:57:53,515 If I had just the slightest inclination that something was wrong, 706 00:57:53,598 --> 00:57:55,975 he would have ended up in the hospital immediately. 707 00:57:59,270 --> 00:58:01,272 H: He could have been out in the barn with his horse. 708 00:58:01,398 --> 00:58:03,358 He could have been out there with my horse. 709 00:58:03,441 --> 00:58:06,069 I'm not saying he was, I'm not saying he wasn't. 710 00:58:06,152 --> 00:58:08,113 Like I said, I was not there. 711 00:58:13,284 --> 00:58:15,161 Happy Horseman: "Please don't let this happen." 712 00:58:20,917 --> 00:58:23,878 And then I noticed that his lips were changing colour. 713 00:58:46,943 --> 00:58:47,902 Woman: Sir? 714 00:58:47,986 --> 00:58:49,237 - [ car door opens ] - Sir! 715 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,450 I'm not getting a pulse. Code! 716 00:59:08,214 --> 00:59:11,968 H: You need to go out in the pasture with a bunch of horses. 717 00:59:12,052 --> 00:59:14,637 They're going to come to you. 718 00:59:14,721 --> 00:59:16,848 They're going to see who you are. 719 00:59:18,183 --> 00:59:19,976 Then see what they do to you. 720 00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:22,145 Mr. Hands: [ Whispering ] I can't think about it anymore. 721 00:59:22,228 --> 00:59:23,688 H: That's what you need to do. 722 00:59:25,106 --> 00:59:27,942 Mr. Hands: [ Whispering ] ...In the "C" direction multiplied by the exponent, 723 00:59:28,026 --> 00:59:30,528 the irrational number that constant can... 724 00:59:30,653 --> 00:59:33,031 [ Shouting ] Now it's good news! 725 00:59:33,156 --> 00:59:35,200 [ Whispering ] Multiplied by "C" minus the tangent. 726 00:59:35,325 --> 00:59:37,327 [ Whinnying ] 727 00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:42,040 I can't just stop working. I mean... 728 00:59:49,172 --> 00:59:52,092 God. And I can't do it. I cannot... 729 00:59:52,217 --> 00:59:55,261 The mean is predicted to have elliptical Gaussian pattern diffracted... 730 01:00:08,024 --> 01:00:10,527 H: I know another guy that used to work at the Black Hole... 731 01:00:10,610 --> 01:00:13,279 Woman: [ On two-way radio ] Does he have any identification? 732 01:00:13,405 --> 01:00:15,240 H: The same place that Mr. Hands did. 733 01:00:18,576 --> 01:00:20,036 He had made a ripple... 734 01:00:23,832 --> 01:00:25,417 So they fired him. 735 01:00:37,053 --> 01:00:39,180 Mr. Hands, he was building antennas. 736 01:00:44,352 --> 01:00:47,731 He told me all about this one he just did and how it worked really well. 737 01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:53,570 And they were really proud of him at the company. 738 01:00:57,949 --> 01:00:59,743 He was liking that. 739 01:01:01,286 --> 01:01:04,581 But I think what really he wanted to do was get away from that. 740 01:01:07,208 --> 01:01:08,710 He wanted to be a farmer. 741 01:01:11,671 --> 01:01:13,256 He wanted to be like me. 742 01:01:13,381 --> 01:01:15,300 [ Monitors beeping ] 743 01:01:15,383 --> 01:01:17,344 744 01:01:28,813 --> 01:01:30,357 [ Rapid beeping ] 745 01:01:30,482 --> 01:01:32,442 [ Flatline beep ] 746 01:01:45,955 --> 01:01:47,916 [ Fire crackling ] 747 01:02:07,394 --> 01:02:09,979 H: Mount Rainier is actually a beautiful mountain. 748 01:02:11,106 --> 01:02:13,024 There's a picture of a deer head on the side. 749 01:02:14,359 --> 01:02:16,611 There's the throat and the horns. 750 01:02:18,363 --> 01:02:21,199 Once I found it, I couldn't see Mount Rainier for years. 751 01:02:22,742 --> 01:02:24,703 All I could see was that deer head. 752 01:02:28,498 --> 01:02:30,625 It took me a long time to look around that deer head 753 01:02:30,709 --> 01:02:32,210 to see Mount Rainier again. 754 01:02:34,963 --> 01:02:37,257 Jenny: I know he really loved his brother. 755 01:02:39,968 --> 01:02:43,304 I think that's why he kept talking about it and talking about it. 756 01:02:49,436 --> 01:02:53,606 He told me a lot about the things that they found in the apartment. 757 01:02:59,362 --> 01:03:02,198 He was really mulling it over in his mind. 758 01:03:12,542 --> 01:03:13,835 And he actually found... 759 01:03:13,918 --> 01:03:18,715 A cast of Strut's penis. 760 01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:22,177 Man: [ on radio ] All right, we did a lot of research, 761 01:03:22,260 --> 01:03:24,304 we got a lot of phone calls. 762 01:03:24,429 --> 01:03:27,265 We pulled together a lot of information. 763 01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:33,897 And here is what we have: we have an employee, now deceased, 764 01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:37,650 who worked at Boeing Corporation, Named K... 765 01:03:41,529 --> 01:03:43,490 766 01:03:46,451 --> 01:03:48,036 Happy Horseman: There was nothing 767 01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:50,205 that they could really screw this down with. 768 01:03:52,499 --> 01:03:56,086 They will just basically defame you into oblivion. 769 01:04:00,048 --> 01:04:02,384 Your names will be posted all over the place. 770 01:04:08,098 --> 01:04:10,058 H: My secret is out now. 771 01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:14,062 Everybody in the world knows what I did. 772 01:04:16,856 --> 01:04:20,151 I was evil. I was evil because I... 773 01:04:20,276 --> 01:04:23,780 I had a love for my animals more than most people do. 774 01:04:28,118 --> 01:04:30,620 "Go away. We don't want anything to do with you. 775 01:04:30,704 --> 01:04:31,871 Just get out of our sight." 776 01:04:34,332 --> 01:04:38,461 I wanted just to walk away from it and leave the past in the past. 777 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,132 Because I had it made. 778 01:04:43,883 --> 01:04:45,635 I had the job of a lifetime. 779 01:04:47,387 --> 01:04:49,556 At 50, it's hard to start over again. 780 01:04:52,475 --> 01:04:55,145 I studied Buddhism for about three years. 781 01:04:57,897 --> 01:05:00,358 It's been around a hell of a lot longer than God was ever around. 782 01:05:04,988 --> 01:05:07,949 I still chant to this day. 783 01:05:12,662 --> 01:05:15,790 So I got my beads out and my book out. 784 01:05:18,293 --> 01:05:19,753 You can wish it away... 785 01:05:22,422 --> 01:05:24,382 But you have to concentrate. 786 01:05:29,471 --> 01:05:31,598 I still want to do the farm life. 787 01:05:34,601 --> 01:05:36,227 That's going to be me again. 788 01:05:39,898 --> 01:05:43,651 Happy Horseman: The sex was just a small component of it. 789 01:05:43,735 --> 01:05:49,366 And by standing there talking to them, in a way you're kind of connecting to them, 790 01:05:49,449 --> 01:05:53,161 going... "I'm talking to you on the same level 791 01:05:54,245 --> 01:05:56,206 that you're kind of staring at me, 792 01:05:58,750 --> 01:06:00,502 mammal to mammal." 793 01:06:08,677 --> 01:06:13,348 Coyote: If I sat down and tried to talk to Mr. Hands' family, 794 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,187 I'd find that rather difficult to do. 795 01:06:24,442 --> 01:06:27,737 I can't even fathom what kind of hurt 796 01:06:27,862 --> 01:06:30,031 that they're feeling over the whole thing. 797 01:06:42,293 --> 01:06:43,545 H: I do miss him. 798 01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:52,178 A lot. 799 01:06:58,518 --> 01:07:00,478 800 01:07:17,203 --> 01:07:19,289 Jenny: We didn't want anybody showing up here 801 01:07:19,372 --> 01:07:23,918 who was part of that circle who would want to adopt him. 802 01:07:29,049 --> 01:07:32,010 So we made the decision to geld him that night. 803 01:07:32,135 --> 01:07:34,095 804 01:08:46,793 --> 01:08:48,753 805 01:08:49,421 --> 01:08:52,215 Jenny: I was trying to understand about this whole issue. 806 01:08:54,551 --> 01:08:56,469 So I started doing some research. 807 01:08:57,637 --> 01:09:03,393 In some of the things I read, I came across the term zoophilia, 808 01:09:03,518 --> 01:09:09,065 and I started kind of exploring that and, you know, doing a little bit more research about it. 809 01:09:09,190 --> 01:09:11,818 And it was really interesting to me... 810 01:09:11,943 --> 01:09:14,362 It was just interesting to me to learn that there are people 811 01:09:14,446 --> 01:09:22,245 who really have a love relationship for an animal not of their species. 812 01:09:24,622 --> 01:09:28,752 These people were talking about the extreme and loving care 813 01:09:28,877 --> 01:09:31,963 that they give their animal partner. 814 01:09:36,885 --> 01:09:40,680 I-I don't yet quite know how I feel about that. 815 01:09:48,146 --> 01:09:51,733 But I'm right at the edge of being able to understand it. 816 01:09:51,816 --> 01:09:53,818 817 01:10:56,548 --> 01:10:58,508 818 01:12:36,147 --> 01:12:38,149 66238

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