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Man:
Back from the part of Virginia
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I was from,
you know, real rural, coal mining...
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You didn't get to experience much
in the way of culture.
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It was really quiet and easy living,
but you just had nothing to experience.
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When something like
the internet came along,
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it really changed things
and opened things up a lot.
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If you can't be there,
you can at least see it or read about it.
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Hey! Hey! I need the phone.
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Man:
It was just... Different perspectives and...
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And whole different outlooks on life.
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[ Crickets chirping ]
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Over several years of talking to people online,
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there was some of 'em
that actually helped me out,
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told me, "why don't you move out this way?
There'll be more opportunities for you."
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[ Wings fluttering ]
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They decided to
send me some money...
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And basically just said, "move".
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I was elated,
and at the same time, terrified.
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Mom, I'm going away for a while.
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I'm going to be going to, uh, Washington.
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Man:
I could see that it bothered her,
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that I would be moving so far away.
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But at the same time,
she was really supportive.
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Woman:
The first call we got was in the afternoon.
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I remember it clearly.
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It seemed so...
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Strange to get that particular
type of call on that day.
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We don't get a lot of sun here
in the Pacific Northwest...
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So you notice it
when it's a nice, sunny day.
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It makes you very happy.
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And that particular call
made me very unhappy.
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So, at some point,
I said, "is this a bestiality case?
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Is that what you're trying to tell me?"
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And he said, "yes".
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And I said, "so what do you need us to do?"
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[ Horse whickering ]
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Coyote:
Before I even had the concept of being zoo,
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I'd had a feeling
that a traditional family life
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was something that I would never do.
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I don't need
a high level of emotional interaction...
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Whether it be human or otherwise.
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I function fine, I think.
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You could probably ask three zoos
and get three different definitions.
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I guess the main thing would be someone that
feels they have a whole lot closer affinity
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to non-human animals than their own kind.
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It doesn't necessarily exclude caring
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for fellow humans and friends
in the same way.
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Man:
We talk to quite a few people
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all over the world via the internet.
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Unfortunately, most of the people
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that were part of our little group were white.
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But we did have quite
a few other friends who are black.
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There was a Hispanic
that came out to visit once.
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Actually, a couple times.
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I talked to people out of Poland
and Germany and Japan.
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I even talked to
soldiers that are currently in Iraq.
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This gives them
a chance to kind of connect back
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with the old world
that they knew back here...
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Even if it's the same old world
that sent them over there
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to survive that environment.
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Man:
I worked for the same guy since I was 23.
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He's a member
of the National Horse Association.
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He had some
top-quality show Arabs.
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I did the maintenance.
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I got paid good.
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Clean the stalls.
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His tractor would break down or...
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Manure spreader would break down
or something like that.
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He was gone all the time.
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He was going back and forth
from the West Coast to the East Coast,
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because he was building
a new home and a ranch there.
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If you could grab all the mail
and put it in there, I'd appreciate it.
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Also keep the horse...
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H:
They were my so-called friends for 20-some years.
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If there's anything else,
our cell phones will be on, so...
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H:
When this broke loose,
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the last thing he said to me,
he told me I was a very bad person.
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We were friends for all those years
and all of a sudden I'm no good
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just because I love the horses?
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Coyote:
On the bus, I've spent a lot of time in thought.
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Why am I this way?
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There has to be a purpose.
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That part, I don't know yet.
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Trying to balance
religion and being zoo...
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A lot of that is faith.
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Growing up Baptist
in a fairly religious household...
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I held certain beliefs to my heart.
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God doesn't hate anyone.
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You treat your fellow man right.
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You don't hurt other people.
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And for the most part, you'll...
You'll be okay.
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H:
I always treated my animals as part of my family.
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They ate before I did.
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Look at the videos
that they took of the horses.
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Did they look neglected?
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No.
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It's the love of animals.
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That's what zoophilia is.
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It's just like if you love your wife or your kids.
It's the same thing.
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I took better care of my animals
than I ever did care for myself. Look at me.
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I'm... Here I am, going to be 53.
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Jenny:
When I had a bout with cancer
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and felt really, really badly,
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There were many nights
that I went down and spent with my horse.
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It's just a very comforting feeling.
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They do this
little soft, blow-y thing.
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And they know that you're there.
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And the time passes so fast.
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The night is over before you know it.
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I could go down there and just hang on her.
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She was my strength.
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She was my legs.
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She was my heart
that wouldn't beat right,
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and I could just cry
and talk and hang out.
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It was exactly what I needed at the time.
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H:
See, I grew up in the city. I'm a city boy.
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And I always
wanted to be a farmer.
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Well, the job
gave me what I wanted.
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As I say, I started when I was 16,
right after my mom died.
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Some reason, it just happened one day,
and I kind of liked it.
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I didn't even know it was zoophilia
until I got on the internet.
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I've been on
the internet since 2002.
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That's the first time, ever.
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I had AOL to start with.
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It was really interesting
to meet all these different people.
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And to this day,
they're still friends of mine.
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There was never any
money changed hands.
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- Hey, what's up, fellas?
- Hey, there.
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- How's it going?
- It's going all right. How you guys doing?
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H:
There was people offered me money.
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Oh, I'm just going
into the country for a while.
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You should go to Pioneer Square.
It's going to be crazy, man.
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- Oh, maybe. Next time, right?
- Be safe.
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H:
No, I wouldn't accept money from anybody,
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because then it's prostitution.
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That's against the law.
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I knew that bestiality wasn't illegal
in the State of Washington.
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A lot of the times
they just want to come out and see.
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"We want to see if it's possible."
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Man:
[ Speaking in foreign language ]
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H:
"Maybe I just want to grab a horse by his nuts
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and to feel his balls. How do they feel?"
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"They're, well, they... They're warm."
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The horse is still the biggest thing
out there on the internet.
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I'd invite them to my home, you know,
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and I'd treat them like
any other person that was in my house.
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I did summertime barbecues.
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Thanksgiving.
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I'd do Christmas dinners.
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One year,
we did a turkey and a ham.
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The invite was on a weekend
and in the evening.
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[ Phone ringing ]
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Hello?
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Woman: [ On telephone ]
Hey, we're here.
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Well, how was your flight?
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Woman:
The flight was long, but we're fine. Right now we're getting...
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H:
A Friday night, we'd meet
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and if I felt like it was okay for you
to come out, I'd let you follow me home.
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If I felt like there was something
about you that I didn't like,
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I'd say, "we'll meet again",
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and I'd never meet with them again.
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"We don't do
this right off the bat. Sorry."
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When I met Mr. Hands,
we did talk on the phone a little bit.
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And that's when he lived in Seattle.
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He was basically curious,
like everybody was curious.
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And he had a good personality.
So I invited him out.
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Coyote:
I was just astounded at the beauty.
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You have that wildness,
but then you have civilization too.
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They're just kind of meshed together.
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Happy Horseman:
Us humans are so conditioned
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from the time we are born
to start categorizing.
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And even if they're unconscious,
or even subconscious,
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we start categorizing.
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Animals just not going to do that.
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Flight attendant:
We'll be landing in Seattle in just...
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Happy Horseman:
You're either a good person or a bad person.
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Woman: [ On radio ]
...The biggest of all munitions companies,
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Lockheed Martin Corporation,
playing an important behind-the-scenes role
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in developing support for
Bush's war with Iraq.
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Man: [ On radio ]
Yes, they did.
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They played a very influential role in, uh...
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In various organizations
that looked like they were simply
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public interest,
public education organizations,
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but which had long
advocated a war with Iraq
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ever since the 1991,
uh, the first war with Iraq.
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It's been to their...
That is, war is the business.
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What I mean when
I say it's not private enterprise,
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is that it's much more like
state socialism.
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You have only one customer.
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The customer
is not particularly interested
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in getting the best
possible use of his money.
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He's much more
interested in simply...
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Getting the contracts filled.
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Moreover, there is
a huge circulation of elites today
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in the sense that most
of the operating positions,
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appointed positions in the Pentagon today,
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are executives
from the military-industrial complex.
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Whereas, by contrast,
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any number of
the high officials in these companies
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are retired high-ranking
American military officers.
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Woman: [ On radio ]
Well, I want to thank you
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for being with us, Chalmers Johnson.
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His piece appears
in this month's... "Harper's".
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It's called "War Business:
Squeezing a Profit from the Wreckage in Iraq",
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As well as David Bacon whose piece appears
in "Progressive" magazine.
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Chalmers Johnson's
piece ends: "this is the future
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when war becomes the most profitable..."
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H:
I'd get about 8 or 10, 15 people at the house.
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Big party, watch movies, play games.
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Happy Horseman:
Kind of a potluck supper kind of thing.
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Some people would
bring over some beans or chips
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and a meat entree or something.
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And of course, lots of beer.
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And once in a while
there was a few mixed drinks.
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It was kind of fun, throwing
all kinds of stuff into the blender
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and churning out things
that kind of had a slushy flavour to them,
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that about six or seven
of them would knock you on your ass.
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You can only put so many
bottles of rum in some of this stuff.
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There was no special flashy...
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Nothing going on
that was all that strange and unusual.
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I mean, this goes on in hundreds
and thousands of places all over the country.
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Age was never
really all that important.
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As long as you
were old enough to drink,
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you weren't senile
and could talk coherently,
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conversation would always ensue.
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Do you wear boxers or a thong?
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[ Laughter ]
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Happy Horseman:
It was pretty much a classless society
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of our own little small world.
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No one had any kind of
different statuses
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and who was this and who was that.
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There was no alphas and omegas and betas
running around anywhere.
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247
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Coyote:
Being able to get away,
248
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just let everything hang.
249
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Anything I can bring up
or want to talk about,
250
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it didn't matter what was on my mind,
these were people I could trust.
251
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I could just let my hair down
252
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and not have to
worry about things.
253
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254
00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:17,861
255
00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:23,366
H:
There was things in him
256
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that he really
didn't want people to know.
257
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He wouldn't tell you.
He wouldn't tell you the truth.
258
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259
00:21:32,083 --> 00:21:34,753
It took me a long time
to find out his real name.
260
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And it was about a year before I knew
Mr. Hands' real name.
261
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It was just always Mr. Hands.
262
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"I go by Mr. Hands."
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Man: [ On television ]
Okay, Jim, it was quite a ride,
264
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But we got it done.
265
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Roger. You're five-by, Jim,
and we're sailing free.
266
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Coyote:
The flag and stuff that they put on the moon
267
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and it looks like it's waving in the breeze,
what do you know?
268
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Of course, there's no atmosphere
on the moon at all.
269
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H:
People would come out,
270
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and we'd walk out into the barn
271
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and I'd show them my horses
and I'd show my bulls,
272
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and they'd ask me
different questions about them.
273
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I'd tell them what this
was and what that was.
274
00:22:18,254 --> 00:22:20,215
"How come his legs
look like that?"
275
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"It's because he's resting."
276
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It wasn't the fanciest place
in the world.
277
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It had cows in it,
so there was crap all over the floors.
278
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There was horseshit
all over the floors.
279
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The horses would come in and out,
and the bulls would come in and out.
280
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And it was just, like, "hey, let's go
out to the barn and pester the animals".
281
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"Well, there they are. Go ahead."
282
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"Just be careful, because
if you stand too long in one place,
283
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It's going to happen."
284
00:23:08,179 --> 00:23:09,973
If you just stand there,
they'll walk up behind you
285
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and put their head on your shoulder
and talk to you.
286
00:23:13,935 --> 00:23:16,479
They're going to pick up that pheromone
that your body's putting off,
287
00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:18,440
and they're going to mount you.
288
00:23:21,651 --> 00:23:25,030
If you don't move, you're bred...
289
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[ Chuckling ]
290
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And I mean bred.
291
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There was times that people'd
come over expecting it,
292
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and no, it never happened.
293
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294
00:23:59,522 --> 00:24:02,025
Jenny:
We had one horse that we called Chance
295
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when we brought him in.
296
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He was blind.
297
00:24:10,658 --> 00:24:14,454
And he was in this area where
it was just nothing but blackberry bushes,
298
00:24:14,579 --> 00:24:16,539
so he kept poking himself in the eye.
299
00:24:21,544 --> 00:24:23,755
We ultimately had
to remove both of his eyes,
300
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,761
because he had re-injured himself
so many times trying to forage for food.
301
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I mean, it touched
all of us very deeply.
302
00:24:47,779 --> 00:24:50,949
When we took that horse
to the veterinary hospital,
303
00:24:51,074 --> 00:24:52,951
we were advised to put him down.
304
00:24:58,248 --> 00:25:01,209
But our feeling and
our experience has been
305
00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:05,171
that just because it has
a problem like blindness,
306
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that's not a good enough reason
to just end their life.
307
00:25:08,049 --> 00:25:09,509
[ Airplane roaring ]
308
00:25:11,219 --> 00:25:13,638
Man: [ On radio ]
One of the things we found fascinating about the story
309
00:25:13,763 --> 00:25:16,349
is that the news media in the Puget Sound
310
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would not reveal the name of the victim.
311
00:25:23,648 --> 00:25:27,819
We believe we have
the name of that man.
312
00:25:30,989 --> 00:25:33,158
We talked to somebody
who worked with this guy.
313
00:25:33,283 --> 00:25:38,580
We talked to someone who got a memo
at work about the death of this guy.
314
00:25:38,663 --> 00:25:41,041
We talked to people
who told us that...
315
00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:43,209
Federal employees
were coming in saying
316
00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:45,962
this name was
never, ever, ever to be given out.
317
00:25:49,674 --> 00:25:51,134
Woman:
My name is Pam Roach,
318
00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:53,970
and I'm the State Senator that covers the
area of Enumclaw
319
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and all the lovely area
on the Enumclaw Plateau.
320
00:25:56,973 --> 00:25:58,975
It's a beautiful area, as you can see.
321
00:25:59,059 --> 00:26:02,979
There are a lot of farms, a lot of people
that love to have animals on these farms,
322
00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:04,689
and a great place to raise children.
323
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:13,239
I could never believe that an animal
would do this on their own.
324
00:26:14,741 --> 00:26:18,828
We don't allow adults
to abuse children sexually.
325
00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:20,663
Children cannot consent.
326
00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:26,044
Children are innocent, and so are animals.
They cannot consent, and they're innocent.
327
00:26:30,548 --> 00:26:32,509
Mrs. Edwards.
328
00:26:32,592 --> 00:26:34,552
Ready to rescue those horses?
329
00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:38,932
Happy Horseman:
This is a nice little town.
330
00:26:39,057 --> 00:26:40,392
It's not the big city.
331
00:26:40,517 --> 00:26:44,479
You don't have to deal with
the hustle, the bustle, and the crime rate.
332
00:26:44,562 --> 00:26:47,941
Mostly you see in the paper,
somebody's trashcan gets knocked over,
333
00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:51,319
or the drunk next-door neighbour comes over
and pissing on their tires.
334
00:26:53,071 --> 00:26:56,366
It was not a town
that had a whole lot going on in it.
335
00:26:56,449 --> 00:26:58,118
It was quiet.
336
00:27:00,829 --> 00:27:02,664
There was a couple
Chinese food restaurants.
337
00:27:02,747 --> 00:27:05,375
There was a Mexican food restaurant
we'd go to quite a bit.
338
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,215
Quite a few different places to go eat at.
339
00:27:18,847 --> 00:27:20,807
You know,
we're not isolated out there.
340
00:27:23,518 --> 00:27:26,604
We liked the rural setting
but you're not, you know,
341
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:28,106
dropped in the
middle of nowhere.
342
00:27:28,231 --> 00:27:30,191
343
00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:41,536
H:
Him and his ex-wife got along really well.
344
00:27:45,123 --> 00:27:46,958
He talked to her
on the phone all the time.
345
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:51,796
She seemed like a nice girl.
346
00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:56,384
Since the divorce, they had gotten
to be best of friends.
347
00:27:58,636 --> 00:28:01,097
They were still friends
up until the day he died.
348
00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:09,105
Happy Horseman:
The type of work he did was basically top secret.
349
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,277
H:
I knew what he did.
350
00:28:14,361 --> 00:28:16,863
I knew exactly what he did
and how he went about doing it,
351
00:28:16,988 --> 00:28:20,575
but... It was just
something that we'd discuss
352
00:28:20,658 --> 00:28:23,161
that was never to be talked about.
353
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:28,792
Happy Horseman:
I think at one time he was very conservative.
354
00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:32,128
After a while things started changing.
355
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:36,883
Things started opening
up in front of him.
356
00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:41,638
He was going, "you know,
this really doesn't seem right to me.
357
00:28:41,763 --> 00:28:47,394
Something about this
just is... Kind of wrong."
358
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,479
359
00:29:03,201 --> 00:29:06,246
H:
I had a, uh, apple tree...
360
00:29:06,371 --> 00:29:09,916
Fir tree and a weeping willow.
361
00:29:15,088 --> 00:29:20,260
And otherwise
it was all open pasture, all open field.
362
00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:25,890
Happy Horseman:
Occasionally, there'd be some discussion
363
00:29:25,974 --> 00:29:29,769
on some constitutional issues
of basic freedoms
364
00:29:29,894 --> 00:29:33,523
being usurped by certain political parties
365
00:29:33,606 --> 00:29:38,194
who thought that they needed
to control the morality of the world,
366
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,697
and they didn't care
exactly how they got to do it.
367
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:42,741
368
00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:56,254
H:
When it'd come to work, he was all business.
369
00:29:57,630 --> 00:30:01,259
When he'd come out to the farm,
he was a completely different person.
370
00:30:01,384 --> 00:30:03,762
He'd be relaxed.
He was comfortable.
371
00:30:03,887 --> 00:30:05,847
372
00:30:20,987 --> 00:30:23,448
Jenny:
They were here during that time
373
00:30:23,531 --> 00:30:26,201
for the son to visit his father.
374
00:30:26,284 --> 00:30:29,537
Woman: [ On P.A. ]
Flight number 324 to Seattle will be leaving gate 26A...
375
00:30:31,498 --> 00:30:33,375
Jenny:
You know, here they had come all this way
376
00:30:33,458 --> 00:30:36,961
to have this sort of
normal family vacation.
377
00:30:39,923 --> 00:30:44,427
About halfway through their vacation...
378
00:30:44,552 --> 00:30:46,971
The death happened.
379
00:30:56,481 --> 00:30:58,900
H:
I called him at work
380
00:30:58,983 --> 00:31:02,946
and I said, "are you
going to come out tonight?"
381
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:05,615
He goes, "no, but I'll
be out next weekend".
382
00:31:05,699 --> 00:31:07,659
I said, "oh, no, you
gotta come out tonight.
383
00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:10,036
There's somebody
here that wants to meet you."
384
00:31:10,161 --> 00:31:14,582
And we argued a little bit over the phone,
and I finally got him to come out.
385
00:31:16,501 --> 00:31:18,086
Well, that was my downfall.
386
00:31:23,383 --> 00:31:27,387
Just irritates me thinking about it.
387
00:31:27,512 --> 00:31:29,764
Turn this thing off... Please.
388
00:31:32,225 --> 00:31:34,185
389
00:31:45,447 --> 00:31:48,700
Happy Horseman:
You're connecting with another intelligent being
390
00:31:48,825 --> 00:31:54,706
who is very happy to...
391
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:57,667
Participate, be involved.
392
00:31:57,751 --> 00:31:59,711
393
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,846
You're not going to be able
to ask it about the latest Madonna album.
394
00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:15,560
It has no idea what Tolstoy is, or Keats.
395
00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:22,025
You can't discuss the difference
between Monet and Picasso.
396
00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:24,402
It just doesn't exist for their world.
397
00:32:25,445 --> 00:32:28,740
It's a simpler, very plain world.
398
00:32:28,865 --> 00:32:33,536
And for those few moments,
you kind of can get disconnected.
399
00:32:33,661 --> 00:32:35,622
400
00:32:43,755 --> 00:32:47,342
It's a very intense,
wonderful kind of feeling.
401
00:32:48,677 --> 00:32:50,887
I don't think anything
really can kind of compare to it.
402
00:32:54,182 --> 00:32:55,308
There's no pain.
403
00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:57,394
404
00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:07,946
At no time, in any way, shape or form,
405
00:33:08,071 --> 00:33:13,743
has anybody forced,
coerced, drugs, ropes, whatever.
406
00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:17,997
There's no bondage
or anything like that involved in any of this,
407
00:33:18,123 --> 00:33:20,083
Because these are...
408
00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:21,626
These are your friends.
409
00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:23,712
410
00:33:24,921 --> 00:33:26,006
[ Door hinges squeaking ]
411
00:33:28,174 --> 00:33:29,134
[ Door slams shut ]
412
00:33:29,259 --> 00:33:31,219
413
00:33:33,972 --> 00:33:37,100
I had...
414
00:33:37,225 --> 00:33:41,021
Submitted a...
415
00:33:41,146 --> 00:33:48,486
Query regarding another role,
uh, which I didn't get and...
416
00:33:48,611 --> 00:33:50,572
After that, I forgot all about it.
417
00:33:50,655 --> 00:33:52,991
And then about two months later,
418
00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:59,497
I received a e-mail
letting me know that the director had...
419
00:33:59,581 --> 00:34:02,834
Saved my pictures
that I had submitted
420
00:34:03,001 --> 00:34:07,213
and was interested in meeting with me
for the role of cop #1
421
00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:09,591
for a movie, and that's all I knew.
[ Chuckling ]
422
00:34:15,263 --> 00:34:22,729
I met with Rob the next day, and, uh,
I was frantically looking for a place to park,
423
00:34:22,854 --> 00:34:25,523
and I was real...
I was becoming later and later
424
00:34:25,648 --> 00:34:27,859
and I was stressed out, and finally...
425
00:34:27,984 --> 00:34:30,612
I just parked in a,
um, a loading zone,
426
00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:33,823
and I ran down to the...
To where I was supposed to meet Rob, and...
427
00:34:33,907 --> 00:34:35,325
And just let him know.
428
00:34:36,701 --> 00:34:38,703
And he said, "well, um...
[ Clears throat ]
429
00:34:38,828 --> 00:34:40,997
Just go back to your car
and I'll meet you over there."
430
00:34:41,081 --> 00:34:44,167
So I went over there
and stood by my car,
431
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:50,298
and we started chatting about...
About the movie.
432
00:34:50,382 --> 00:34:53,051
And at that time,
433
00:34:53,176 --> 00:34:56,346
he told me what the
movie was about and...
434
00:34:56,471 --> 00:34:58,598
You know, I was...
435
00:34:58,723 --> 00:35:02,143
It didn't faze me because...
436
00:35:02,227 --> 00:35:04,104
I have, um...
437
00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:05,939
I've seen the best of humanity
438
00:35:06,064 --> 00:35:09,526
and I've also seen
the darkest parts of humanity.
439
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:14,280
The summer prior to this incident,
440
00:35:14,406 --> 00:35:17,492
I was in a softball
tournament in Enumclaw,
441
00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:22,414
and I had a...
A guy on the opposing team
442
00:35:22,539 --> 00:35:24,332
injured himself in the outfield,
443
00:35:24,416 --> 00:35:28,336
and I actually helped him onto the stretcher
444
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:33,049
that took him to the very same hospital
where this man died.
445
00:35:33,133 --> 00:35:36,219
And, you know,
that hits kind of close to home.
446
00:35:39,139 --> 00:35:42,225
The cold, harsh, brutal reality
447
00:35:42,308 --> 00:35:45,186
is a man bled to death, okay?
448
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:49,149
And as I researched my role
449
00:35:49,274 --> 00:35:53,820
and revisited some articles that
I had read a year prior,
450
00:35:53,945 --> 00:36:00,201
and also some new information,
you know, I...
451
00:36:00,285 --> 00:36:02,787
I thought about...
452
00:36:02,871 --> 00:36:05,206
I thought about what was going
through this man's mind
453
00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:06,583
as he was bleeding to death.
454
00:36:08,376 --> 00:36:13,131
And how did he find himself
in this place at this time?
455
00:36:13,214 --> 00:36:16,718
And, uh...
456
00:36:16,801 --> 00:36:20,013
You know, I had the experience
457
00:36:20,138 --> 00:36:26,770
of holding a corpse in my hands
that was a few minutes before
458
00:36:26,895 --> 00:36:33,026
a seven-year-old boy
that had drowned in a swimming pool,
459
00:36:33,151 --> 00:36:38,114
and his last breath was...
460
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,742
Frozen in time on his face.
461
00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:44,371
And his... His eyes were fixed,
462
00:36:44,496 --> 00:36:47,207
and I could see
right down into his mouth,
463
00:36:47,332 --> 00:36:50,669
and it was ghostly white, and it...
464
00:36:52,337 --> 00:36:58,468
At that moment, when I was staring
into those empty eyes
465
00:36:58,551 --> 00:37:01,096
and looking into
the depths of death,
466
00:37:01,179 --> 00:37:03,890
all's I saw was
my own reflection.
467
00:37:04,015 --> 00:37:09,979
And... To be there
at that moment in time,
468
00:37:10,063 --> 00:37:13,191
during that tragedy,
[ Sighing ]
469
00:37:13,316 --> 00:37:17,987
for a little boy that could not be revived,
470
00:37:18,113 --> 00:37:23,451
and ended up dying on Mother's Day,
471
00:37:23,535 --> 00:37:26,329
you know, that...
That's embossed in my heart.
472
00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:28,957
And... And it's... It...
473
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,543
When someone dies, it's...
474
00:37:31,626 --> 00:37:35,130
It's something that I...
I take to heart
475
00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:37,215
because there's nothing trivial about it.
476
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:41,845
There's people that...
477
00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:44,472
That love that individual,
478
00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:45,807
and they will never see them again.
479
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:48,727
And that's a tragedy.
480
00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:51,646
[ Helicopter whirring ]
481
00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:02,323
Happy Horseman:
We knew it was going to happen.
482
00:38:02,407 --> 00:38:03,908
But we didn't know when.
483
00:38:07,662 --> 00:38:09,622
484
00:38:46,951 --> 00:38:49,037
H:
The media pushed this thing
485
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,122
so far out of proportion, it's unreal.
486
00:38:56,211 --> 00:38:59,255
Happy Horseman:
How many places do you know of
487
00:38:59,381 --> 00:39:04,886
that actually gets CNN news to go down
and fly a helicopter over the property
488
00:39:04,969 --> 00:39:08,640
just so they can have some footage
for an accidental death?
489
00:39:19,234 --> 00:39:20,652
H:
One day I'm doing just fine,
490
00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:23,196
and the next day I'm an evil person.
491
00:39:23,321 --> 00:39:25,281
There's nothing evil about me.
492
00:39:29,369 --> 00:39:31,204
I wasn't breaking the law.
493
00:39:33,331 --> 00:39:37,836
I had everything going for me
and it all come crashing down around me.
494
00:39:37,961 --> 00:39:41,631
Anchor: [ On TV ]
...Animal cruelty after a bizarre death in King County.
495
00:39:41,756 --> 00:39:43,299
Reporter: [ On TV ]
According to the Sheriff's Department,
496
00:39:43,425 --> 00:39:47,762
the man died from internal bleeding after
allegedly having sex with a horse in Enumclaw.
497
00:39:47,846 --> 00:39:49,848
According to the King County
Sheriff's Office...
498
00:39:55,770 --> 00:40:00,191
Authorities were able to find the farm after the man
was dropped off at a local hospital.
499
00:40:00,275 --> 00:40:04,070
Surveillance cameras traced the vehicle
used back to the farm.
500
00:40:04,195 --> 00:40:09,242
Deputies say they are investigating the possibility
that animal cruelty laws might apply.
501
00:40:09,367 --> 00:40:12,495
H:
We had buckets full of tapes and CDs and stuff.
502
00:40:14,706 --> 00:40:18,918
I wanted to get
the stuff out of the house.
503
00:40:19,044 --> 00:40:20,670
I was scared.
504
00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:21,713
[ Phone ringing ]
505
00:40:21,838 --> 00:40:23,465
Happy Horseman:
We did notice
506
00:40:23,548 --> 00:40:27,177
a very definite change in the phone service.
507
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:29,220
[ Ringing ]
508
00:40:29,346 --> 00:40:32,891
Happy Horseman:
Picking up the phone, every 15 seconds,
509
00:40:33,016 --> 00:40:35,477
there would be a little blank spot.
510
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,188
Nobody at
either end could hear.
511
00:40:38,271 --> 00:40:40,023
And then it would come
back to normal again.
512
00:40:40,106 --> 00:40:42,442
Every 15 seconds.
513
00:40:42,567 --> 00:40:45,070
And that went on for quite a few days.
514
00:40:45,195 --> 00:40:47,155
[ Banging on door ]
515
00:41:08,677 --> 00:41:11,262
We were actually getting
tracts, religious tracts.
516
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,935
People were trying to save our souls.
517
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:19,020
518
00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:33,993
Man 1 : [ On phone ]
Hello, dad!
519
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,162
Man 2:
Hello, son!
520
00:41:36,287 --> 00:41:38,039
Man 1:
Hey, dad, you know what?
521
00:41:38,123 --> 00:41:40,583
They... They need to get
this guy's name out there.
522
00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:44,754
What's the guy thinking, screwing a horse?
523
00:41:44,879 --> 00:41:46,673
- [ Laughter ]
-...Find out.
524
00:41:46,798 --> 00:41:48,675
[ Laughter ]
525
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,094
Man 2:
Well, nobody finds out if you live!
526
00:42:04,315 --> 00:42:06,484
Rush Limbaugh: [ On radio ]
To the remaining items in our news digest today:
527
00:42:06,609 --> 00:42:08,820
"people who have..."
This from Olympia, Washington.
528
00:42:08,945 --> 00:42:15,035
"People who have sex with animals
should face felony convictions for animal cruelty",
529
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,913
says a Republican Senator pushing
for a ban on bestiality.
530
00:42:18,997 --> 00:42:22,250
"These animals don't have
the cognitive ability to consent
531
00:42:22,334 --> 00:42:26,171
and that is the case, that we have to be
protecting them", said Pam Roach.
532
00:42:26,254 --> 00:42:30,008
Really, now, I hate to express
my naivete about these kinds of things,
533
00:42:30,133 --> 00:42:31,718
but... Well, no, I don't, actually.
534
00:42:31,843 --> 00:42:34,304
I'm very proud
to be naive about these kinds of things.
535
00:42:34,387 --> 00:42:36,222
But how do they know
the horse didn't consent?
536
00:42:36,348 --> 00:42:37,557
How in the world...
537
00:42:39,309 --> 00:42:43,188
Can this happen without consent?
538
00:42:43,313 --> 00:42:45,190
We're talking... We're...
539
00:42:47,734 --> 00:42:49,819
We're talking about
a human being and a horse.
540
00:42:49,903 --> 00:42:52,197
[ Stammering ]
If... If the horse didn't consent,
541
00:42:52,322 --> 00:42:54,282
then none
of this would have happened.
542
00:43:00,872 --> 00:43:03,875
Happy Horseman:
They're looking for a spark...
543
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,461
To get a shit storm started.
544
00:43:09,798 --> 00:43:11,841
And this provided that spark.
545
00:43:11,925 --> 00:43:13,885
546
00:43:25,897 --> 00:43:27,649
He said, "stop right where you're at.
547
00:43:27,732 --> 00:43:31,069
Put your hands behind you.
You're being arrested for homicide."
548
00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:33,613
And I said, "what? I am?"
549
00:43:34,656 --> 00:43:37,117
"I can't tell you any more.
You've got to come with me."
550
00:43:37,242 --> 00:43:39,202
551
00:44:20,618 --> 00:44:22,245
H:
I had it loaded.
552
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:27,459
I had it in my mouth.
553
00:44:31,171 --> 00:44:33,298
I was going to blow
the top of my head off.
554
00:44:36,676 --> 00:44:37,969
That's how I felt.
555
00:44:40,138 --> 00:44:41,473
50 calibre rifle.
556
00:44:41,598 --> 00:44:42,766
Black powder.
557
00:44:45,018 --> 00:44:47,270
Can you imagine
what that would have done to me?
558
00:44:57,364 --> 00:44:59,991
[ Grunting on TV ]
559
00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:05,497
[ Inaudible ]
560
00:45:11,378 --> 00:45:14,297
H:
They were investigating a homicide that didn't happen.
561
00:45:17,509 --> 00:45:19,469
[ Grunting continues ]
562
00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:27,227
H:
They assumed it was the horse that killed Mr. Hands.
563
00:45:31,898 --> 00:45:34,025
They assumed that.
564
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:35,443
[ Grunting/groaning on TV ]
565
00:45:36,528 --> 00:45:38,071
Mr. Hands: [ On TV ]
Oh, God...
566
00:45:38,196 --> 00:45:40,448
H:
It doesn't show anything.
567
00:45:42,617 --> 00:45:46,538
All's it shows is the horse
doing something.
568
00:45:46,663 --> 00:45:48,623
[ Grunting continues ]
569
00:45:57,465 --> 00:45:59,509
Man:
Is that your horse?
570
00:46:02,178 --> 00:46:03,805
Coyote:
In their mind, they don't care
571
00:46:03,888 --> 00:46:07,017
whether it's a filly
underneath them or a human.
572
00:46:11,312 --> 00:46:13,523
You've got something
like a male animal,
573
00:46:15,525 --> 00:46:19,195
pretty much our purpose
on this earth is to procreate.
574
00:46:21,573 --> 00:46:25,201
I don't mean to sound detrimental to males,
575
00:46:27,996 --> 00:46:32,083
but we're here to pass the seed along
that keeps generations going.
576
00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:36,963
So there's always that drive.
577
00:46:40,008 --> 00:46:41,968
[ Moaning ]
578
00:46:42,093 --> 00:46:44,137
Get out of my head!
579
00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:46,264
Happy Horseman:
There were some nutcases in that jail.
580
00:46:46,389 --> 00:46:48,183
Get out of my head!
581
00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:49,559
[ Groaning ]
582
00:46:49,642 --> 00:46:51,978
Get out of my head!
Get out of my head!
583
00:46:52,103 --> 00:46:56,024
Happy Horseman:
You're dealing with some very strange mentality.
584
00:46:56,107 --> 00:46:58,109
And they had one guy up in there,
just thinks it's kind of fun
585
00:46:58,234 --> 00:47:00,236
to go around instigating fights.
586
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,364
I've got a couple friends
who are coming here...
587
00:47:02,447 --> 00:47:04,366
We're going to
blow a hole in the walls.
588
00:47:04,449 --> 00:47:06,493
Happy Horseman:
Jeez, this is nuts.
589
00:47:06,618 --> 00:47:08,495
I'm stuck with all these guys in here.
590
00:47:10,914 --> 00:47:12,749
Finally, they took me upstairs
591
00:47:12,832 --> 00:47:16,378
and said, "okay, this is...
This and this and this and this.
592
00:47:16,461 --> 00:47:20,090
And we already know about that.
And this and this and this. Sign here."
593
00:47:24,135 --> 00:47:25,637
"No.
594
00:47:28,598 --> 00:47:32,977
What you've been hearing
is not exactly true."
595
00:47:40,902 --> 00:47:43,613
We were basically
gone for the weekend.
596
00:47:47,492 --> 00:47:51,913
We were not expecting Mr. Hands
to make an appearance at all.
597
00:47:59,754 --> 00:48:01,464
H:
Every time he'd come out to the house,
598
00:48:01,548 --> 00:48:03,383
It was always about the son...
599
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,473
How he's coming along in school.
His writing was getting better.
600
00:48:12,392 --> 00:48:13,977
This went on for hours.
601
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,772
Oh, yeah. He loved his boy.
602
00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:23,820
That was one of the things
he was setting up the house for.
603
00:48:25,905 --> 00:48:28,575
It was for her
to come back and live with him.
604
00:48:30,535 --> 00:48:32,787
So he could be closer to his son.
605
00:48:32,871 --> 00:48:34,873
606
00:48:43,423 --> 00:48:47,302
Coyote:
He was losing blood into his abdominal cavity.
607
00:48:51,056 --> 00:48:54,100
You can have an injury like that
and be bleeding to death internally
608
00:48:54,225 --> 00:48:55,810
and not really feel it.
609
00:48:59,314 --> 00:49:03,276
I don't know if he really understood
610
00:49:03,401 --> 00:49:05,862
that what had happened
was something that was killing him.
611
00:49:18,083 --> 00:49:20,210
Happy Horseman:
He thought that getting married, having kids...
612
00:49:20,335 --> 00:49:22,045
That was going to be
the greatest thing in his life,
613
00:49:22,170 --> 00:49:23,880
and that didn't turn out as great.
614
00:49:26,091 --> 00:49:31,721
Some of the different relationships
he's had, just close friends...
615
00:49:31,805 --> 00:49:33,973
Others, it went further than that...
616
00:49:34,099 --> 00:49:35,725
Some of those didn't turn out so good.
617
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:40,397
So in a way...
Coming to the ranch was,
618
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,483
"I don't have to impress anybody.
619
00:49:43,608 --> 00:49:45,735
I don't have to really
deal with relationships."
620
00:49:47,737 --> 00:49:50,281
Jenny:
His family had commented to me
621
00:49:50,407 --> 00:49:54,494
that they were shocked when he called
and said, "I bought a horse".
622
00:49:57,122 --> 00:50:00,000
They didn't want
to go onto the property
623
00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:04,379
because they didn't want to have anything to do
with the people that were involved.
624
00:50:04,462 --> 00:50:09,843
But from an estate point of view,
they had these animals that had to be dealt with.
625
00:50:09,968 --> 00:50:11,928
626
00:50:14,055 --> 00:50:16,725
H:
The sheriff gave me seven days to get out.
627
00:50:22,647 --> 00:50:24,441
I already gave my mares away.
628
00:50:27,819 --> 00:50:33,241
I already took my bulls to the auction
and all I had left was Gablar and Strut.
629
00:50:37,495 --> 00:50:39,664
Jenny:
The brother, the father and l
630
00:50:39,789 --> 00:50:43,418
all met in the station
and the police led us out to the property.
631
00:50:47,005 --> 00:50:52,135
We pulled up into the yard
and the police chief drove on.
632
00:50:56,014 --> 00:51:00,477
And that's when I really realized
that he wasn't going to come in with us.
633
00:51:10,362 --> 00:51:18,286
This guy came out and it was extremely obvious
that he was very deeply involved.
634
00:51:21,373 --> 00:51:24,542
The brother just kept
saying, "keep me away from this guy.
635
00:51:24,668 --> 00:51:26,795
Just keep me away from this guy."
636
00:51:28,338 --> 00:51:31,716
He struck us as
a child molester type,
637
00:51:31,841 --> 00:51:35,720
just a really creepy kind of guy.
638
00:51:35,845 --> 00:51:40,016
So I said, "we've come to pick up
one or two horses. Where are they??"
639
00:51:40,141 --> 00:51:42,102
640
00:52:06,668 --> 00:52:11,923
At the time, I thought, "I can't think
through this right now".
641
00:52:12,048 --> 00:52:15,427
So I just turned on
my internal camera, my head cam.
642
00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:20,682
What does that look like?
And what's this barn look like?
643
00:52:20,765 --> 00:52:22,684
And what's this area look like?
644
00:52:28,732 --> 00:52:33,069
He just kept saying, "I'm all torn up over this.
I'm just all torn up over this".
645
00:52:33,153 --> 00:52:37,907
And it was just so not real.
646
00:52:45,957 --> 00:52:49,419
And then he pointed to the ceiling
and there was a kind of a rope thing
647
00:52:49,544 --> 00:52:53,006
with a small noose-looking thing
at the end of this rope,
648
00:52:53,131 --> 00:52:55,425
and he said this is
where he would work the horse.
649
00:52:57,427 --> 00:53:00,597
And I thought, "Whoa.
What do you mean...
650
00:53:02,307 --> 00:53:03,975
'Work a horse'?"
651
00:53:06,978 --> 00:53:08,438
H:
That rope is a training tool.
652
00:53:14,110 --> 00:53:17,614
They're called a high tie.
653
00:53:17,697 --> 00:53:20,283
And what he'd do is
he'd tie the horse's lead rope to that.
654
00:53:23,661 --> 00:53:29,584
And the horse could go around in the pen,
but he couldn't get out.
655
00:53:32,587 --> 00:53:35,548
He was teaching himself how to ride.
656
00:53:38,635 --> 00:53:40,553
Jenny:
Stallions can be very dangerous.
657
00:53:44,224 --> 00:53:47,477
We didn't know what
his interaction had been with humans.
658
00:53:51,523 --> 00:53:53,733
I just spoke quietly to him.
659
00:53:56,236 --> 00:53:59,531
I probably said things like...
660
00:53:59,656 --> 00:54:04,452
"Oh, you're a pretty boy.
It's a beautiful day."
661
00:54:08,498 --> 00:54:12,877
H:
Well, my impression of Jenny is that, uh...
662
00:54:12,961 --> 00:54:16,256
She doesn't know her ass from a hole
in the ground when it comes to a horse.
663
00:54:19,384 --> 00:54:20,677
Period.
664
00:54:23,513 --> 00:54:25,390
She comes across
as being a person
665
00:54:25,473 --> 00:54:27,559
that knows everything
there is about horses,
666
00:54:27,684 --> 00:54:30,729
but to me, she doesn't
know anything about them at all.
667
00:54:35,984 --> 00:54:37,235
[ Horse snorting ]
668
00:54:38,528 --> 00:54:41,364
Even her husband doesn't know
how to handle a horse.
669
00:54:49,914 --> 00:54:52,375
[ Horse whinnying ]
670
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,548
Jenny:
I didn't realize until we got there
671
00:54:58,631 --> 00:55:01,509
that he'd owned two horses.
672
00:55:01,593 --> 00:55:06,056
So I started asking questions
about the other horse.
673
00:55:07,390 --> 00:55:09,559
"What's the status of Strut?"
674
00:55:11,394 --> 00:55:15,732
And he said, "well, I own that horse.
He gave that horse to me".
675
00:55:17,067 --> 00:55:19,819
And I said, "well, show me
your bill of sale".
676
00:55:21,905 --> 00:55:23,782
And he goes, "well, I don't have that".
677
00:55:23,907 --> 00:55:25,992
And I said, "well,
you need a bill of sale".
678
00:55:27,118 --> 00:55:30,246
And then about that time,
this guy shows up in a little truck.
679
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:36,127
H:
The person that bought Strut is a friend of mine.
680
00:55:39,464 --> 00:55:41,758
And there was a bill of sale
and everything was there.
681
00:55:46,054 --> 00:55:49,182
I don't think if, uh...
Even if I didn't have the paperwork,
682
00:55:49,307 --> 00:55:51,184
I was going to let her take that horse.
683
00:55:52,686 --> 00:55:53,853
Jenny:
But then a weird thing happened.
684
00:55:53,978 --> 00:55:57,774
This little mini
came up and got up under
685
00:55:57,857 --> 00:56:00,819
and started giving
the stallion a blow job.
686
00:56:03,321 --> 00:56:05,740
It was the strangest thing I've ever seen.
687
00:56:05,824 --> 00:56:07,033
Ever.
688
00:56:07,158 --> 00:56:09,119
689
00:56:26,177 --> 00:56:29,014
Happy Horseman:
I didn't get home until much, much later that evening
690
00:56:29,097 --> 00:56:32,308
and hadn't really paid too much
attention to Mr. Hands.
691
00:56:38,732 --> 00:56:41,234
We did acknowledge
each other's existence.
692
00:56:45,238 --> 00:56:47,615
H:
I had to leave. My boss was out of town
693
00:56:47,699 --> 00:56:50,076
and I was taking care
of his horses at his place.
694
00:56:51,703 --> 00:56:53,246
It was around
10:00, 11:00 o'clock,
695
00:56:53,371 --> 00:56:55,206
and usually I feed them at 8:00 o'clock.
696
00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:59,127
I went over there ; I'd been drinking.
697
00:57:00,587 --> 00:57:02,339
But I was hungry,
so I ate something.
698
00:57:04,716 --> 00:57:08,887
Well, that was my downfall,
because as soon as I eat, I just pass out.
699
00:57:15,226 --> 00:57:17,854
Happy Horseman:
Something bad happened out there.
700
00:57:21,358 --> 00:57:25,403
I don't think Mr. Hands
knew this particular animal very much.
701
00:57:27,572 --> 00:57:31,534
And I don't think the gentleman
that was with him
702
00:57:31,618 --> 00:57:35,372
was really attuned
to that animal, as well.
703
00:57:38,458 --> 00:57:42,504
It wasn't until around
5:15, 5:20 in the morning
704
00:57:42,587 --> 00:57:46,508
that he made the announcement
that he needed to go to the hospital right away.
705
00:57:49,761 --> 00:57:53,515
If I had just the slightest inclination
that something was wrong,
706
00:57:53,598 --> 00:57:55,975
he would have ended up in
the hospital immediately.
707
00:57:59,270 --> 00:58:01,272
H:
He could have been out in the barn with his horse.
708
00:58:01,398 --> 00:58:03,358
He could have been out
there with my horse.
709
00:58:03,441 --> 00:58:06,069
I'm not saying he was,
I'm not saying he wasn't.
710
00:58:06,152 --> 00:58:08,113
Like I said, I was not there.
711
00:58:13,284 --> 00:58:15,161
Happy Horseman:
"Please don't let this happen."
712
00:58:20,917 --> 00:58:23,878
And then I noticed that his lips
were changing colour.
713
00:58:46,943 --> 00:58:47,902
Woman:
Sir?
714
00:58:47,986 --> 00:58:49,237
- [ car door opens ]
- Sir!
715
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,450
I'm not getting a pulse. Code!
716
00:59:08,214 --> 00:59:11,968
H:
You need to go out in the pasture with a bunch of horses.
717
00:59:12,052 --> 00:59:14,637
They're going to come to you.
718
00:59:14,721 --> 00:59:16,848
They're going
to see who you are.
719
00:59:18,183 --> 00:59:19,976
Then see what they do to you.
720
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:22,145
Mr. Hands: [ Whispering ]
I can't think about it anymore.
721
00:59:22,228 --> 00:59:23,688
H:
That's what you need to do.
722
00:59:25,106 --> 00:59:27,942
Mr. Hands: [ Whispering ]
...In the "C" direction multiplied by the exponent,
723
00:59:28,026 --> 00:59:30,528
the irrational number that constant can...
724
00:59:30,653 --> 00:59:33,031
[ Shouting ]
Now it's good news!
725
00:59:33,156 --> 00:59:35,200
[ Whispering ]
Multiplied by "C" minus the tangent.
726
00:59:35,325 --> 00:59:37,327
[ Whinnying ]
727
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:42,040
I can't just stop working. I mean...
728
00:59:49,172 --> 00:59:52,092
God. And I can't do it. I cannot...
729
00:59:52,217 --> 00:59:55,261
The mean is predicted to have elliptical
Gaussian pattern diffracted...
730
01:00:08,024 --> 01:00:10,527
H:
I know another guy that used to work at the Black Hole...
731
01:00:10,610 --> 01:00:13,279
Woman: [ On two-way radio ]
Does he have any identification?
732
01:00:13,405 --> 01:00:15,240
H:
The same place that Mr. Hands did.
733
01:00:18,576 --> 01:00:20,036
He had made a ripple...
734
01:00:23,832 --> 01:00:25,417
So they fired him.
735
01:00:37,053 --> 01:00:39,180
Mr. Hands, he was building antennas.
736
01:00:44,352 --> 01:00:47,731
He told me all about this one he just did
and how it worked really well.
737
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:53,570
And they were really proud
of him at the company.
738
01:00:57,949 --> 01:00:59,743
He was liking that.
739
01:01:01,286 --> 01:01:04,581
But I think what really he wanted to do
was get away from that.
740
01:01:07,208 --> 01:01:08,710
He wanted to be a farmer.
741
01:01:11,671 --> 01:01:13,256
He wanted to be like me.
742
01:01:13,381 --> 01:01:15,300
[ Monitors beeping ]
743
01:01:15,383 --> 01:01:17,344
744
01:01:28,813 --> 01:01:30,357
[ Rapid beeping ]
745
01:01:30,482 --> 01:01:32,442
[ Flatline beep ]
746
01:01:45,955 --> 01:01:47,916
[ Fire crackling ]
747
01:02:07,394 --> 01:02:09,979
H:
Mount Rainier is actually a beautiful mountain.
748
01:02:11,106 --> 01:02:13,024
There's a picture
of a deer head on the side.
749
01:02:14,359 --> 01:02:16,611
There's the throat and the horns.
750
01:02:18,363 --> 01:02:21,199
Once I found it,
I couldn't see Mount Rainier for years.
751
01:02:22,742 --> 01:02:24,703
All I could see was that deer head.
752
01:02:28,498 --> 01:02:30,625
It took me a long time to look
around that deer head
753
01:02:30,709 --> 01:02:32,210
to see Mount Rainier again.
754
01:02:34,963 --> 01:02:37,257
Jenny:
I know he really loved his brother.
755
01:02:39,968 --> 01:02:43,304
I think that's why he kept
talking about it and talking about it.
756
01:02:49,436 --> 01:02:53,606
He told me a lot about the things that
they found in the apartment.
757
01:02:59,362 --> 01:03:02,198
He was really
mulling it over in his mind.
758
01:03:12,542 --> 01:03:13,835
And he actually found...
759
01:03:13,918 --> 01:03:18,715
A cast of Strut's penis.
760
01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:22,177
Man: [ on radio ]
All right, we did a lot of research,
761
01:03:22,260 --> 01:03:24,304
we got a lot of phone calls.
762
01:03:24,429 --> 01:03:27,265
We pulled together
a lot of information.
763
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:33,897
And here is what we have:
we have an employee, now deceased,
764
01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:37,650
who worked at
Boeing Corporation, Named K...
765
01:03:41,529 --> 01:03:43,490
766
01:03:46,451 --> 01:03:48,036
Happy Horseman:
There was nothing
767
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:50,205
that they could really screw
this down with.
768
01:03:52,499 --> 01:03:56,086
They will just
basically defame you into oblivion.
769
01:04:00,048 --> 01:04:02,384
Your names will be posted
all over the place.
770
01:04:08,098 --> 01:04:10,058
H:
My secret is out now.
771
01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:14,062
Everybody in the world
knows what I did.
772
01:04:16,856 --> 01:04:20,151
I was evil.
I was evil because I...
773
01:04:20,276 --> 01:04:23,780
I had a love for my animals more
than most people do.
774
01:04:28,118 --> 01:04:30,620
"Go away.
We don't want anything to do with you.
775
01:04:30,704 --> 01:04:31,871
Just get out of our sight."
776
01:04:34,332 --> 01:04:38,461
I wanted just to walk away from it
and leave the past in the past.
777
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,132
Because I had it made.
778
01:04:43,883 --> 01:04:45,635
I had the job of a lifetime.
779
01:04:47,387 --> 01:04:49,556
At 50, it's hard to start over again.
780
01:04:52,475 --> 01:04:55,145
I studied Buddhism
for about three years.
781
01:04:57,897 --> 01:05:00,358
It's been around a hell
of a lot longer than God was ever around.
782
01:05:04,988 --> 01:05:07,949
I still chant to this day.
783
01:05:12,662 --> 01:05:15,790
So I got my beads out
and my book out.
784
01:05:18,293 --> 01:05:19,753
You can wish it away...
785
01:05:22,422 --> 01:05:24,382
But you have to concentrate.
786
01:05:29,471 --> 01:05:31,598
I still want to do the farm life.
787
01:05:34,601 --> 01:05:36,227
That's going to be me again.
788
01:05:39,898 --> 01:05:43,651
Happy Horseman:
The sex was just a small component of it.
789
01:05:43,735 --> 01:05:49,366
And by standing there talking to them,
in a way you're kind of connecting to them,
790
01:05:49,449 --> 01:05:53,161
going... "I'm talking to you
on the same level
791
01:05:54,245 --> 01:05:56,206
that you're kind of staring at me,
792
01:05:58,750 --> 01:06:00,502
mammal to mammal."
793
01:06:08,677 --> 01:06:13,348
Coyote:
If I sat down and tried to talk to Mr. Hands' family,
794
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,187
I'd find that rather difficult to do.
795
01:06:24,442 --> 01:06:27,737
I can't even fathom what kind of hurt
796
01:06:27,862 --> 01:06:30,031
that they're feeling
over the whole thing.
797
01:06:42,293 --> 01:06:43,545
H:
I do miss him.
798
01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:52,178
A lot.
799
01:06:58,518 --> 01:07:00,478
800
01:07:17,203 --> 01:07:19,289
Jenny:
We didn't want anybody showing up here
801
01:07:19,372 --> 01:07:23,918
who was part of that circle
who would want to adopt him.
802
01:07:29,049 --> 01:07:32,010
So we made the decision
to geld him that night.
803
01:07:32,135 --> 01:07:34,095
804
01:08:46,793 --> 01:08:48,753
805
01:08:49,421 --> 01:08:52,215
Jenny:
I was trying to understand about this whole issue.
806
01:08:54,551 --> 01:08:56,469
So I started doing some research.
807
01:08:57,637 --> 01:09:03,393
In some of the things I read,
I came across the term zoophilia,
808
01:09:03,518 --> 01:09:09,065
and I started kind of exploring that and, you know,
doing a little bit more research about it.
809
01:09:09,190 --> 01:09:11,818
And it was really interesting to me...
810
01:09:11,943 --> 01:09:14,362
It was just interesting to me
to learn that there are people
811
01:09:14,446 --> 01:09:22,245
who really have a love relationship
for an animal not of their species.
812
01:09:24,622 --> 01:09:28,752
These people were talking
about the extreme and loving care
813
01:09:28,877 --> 01:09:31,963
that they give their animal partner.
814
01:09:36,885 --> 01:09:40,680
I-I don't yet quite know
how I feel about that.
815
01:09:48,146 --> 01:09:51,733
But I'm right at the edge
of being able to understand it.
816
01:09:51,816 --> 01:09:53,818
817
01:10:56,548 --> 01:10:58,508
818
01:12:36,147 --> 01:12:38,149
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