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TANIA HEAD: Just before 8:30,
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I got a phone call, and it was
Dave,
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and he said that that he just
wanted to go
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and get some coffee,
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and he asked me if I wanted to
meet him,
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and, um... I, I said that I was
just about to go into the,
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into a meeting, and that I
couldn't, I couldn't do it,
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and I said, "I love you and talk
to you later."
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And that was the last time I, I
ever spoke to him.
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TANIA HEAD: It was amazing, and
you know,
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it was that kind of crazy love
story where we would finish
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each other's sentences...
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TANIA HEAD: We were so alike,
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like but some people say
opposites attract,
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but for me, it was different.
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It was like he and I were almost
the same person.
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TANIA HEAD: Sometimes he was
explosive, but it was,
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it was definitely a love story.
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TANIA HEAD: That day, I didn't
just lose Dave.
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I lost myself.
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[WIND]
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[CROWD TALKING]
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LORI: How are you?
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MALE VOICE #1: I get hot when
they do this.
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FEMALE VOICE #1: We have like...
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FEMALE VOICE #2 I don't know,
eight? Eight left?
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TANIA HEAD: It's the morning of
September 11th,
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and we're all gonna go to the
official ceremony at the site,
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and we hope to make it there by
the first moment of silence at
8:46.
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It's one of the hardest
experiences of my life
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to go down that ramp every
anniversary,
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but I do it for Dave because I,
I knew he,
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he wants me to be there, but let
me show you something.
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[Giggles & rustling paper]
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Dave and I met outside the World
Trade Center
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when he stole my cab.
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So, every year when I go to the
site,
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I bring a New York City cab with
me,
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and I put it in the reflection
pool
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so that he knows that I remember
that day.
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[Bell chimes]
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TANIA HEAD: Some of my
co-workers had families,
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they that had little kids, and
they died, and I didn't.
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So, why?
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Why? Why am I special? Why, why
was I spared?
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Why didn't they make it? Why
was, why did I make it?
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Was it God? Was it faith?
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Was it because we have something
to do?
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Was it because we were sheltered
by the elevator machinery?
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It just makes you go crazy.
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You go crazy asking yourself
why, why, why?
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ELIA: People kept saying how
blessed I was,
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and I didn't feel blessed at
all.
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I felt like it was a curse.
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Survivor guilt made me feel
that,
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made me actually go from the
question,
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"Why did I survive?"
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to "Why did I have to survive?"
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GERRY BOGACZ: I don't know how
to describe it.
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It, it's sort of a pain in my,
in my, my, gut, you know,
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and I remember actually doubling
over realizing,
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"Oh, my God, those three people
were all on my side,
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and I didn't get them out."
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BRENDAN: It's so hard to get
past being alive
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when all these people aren't,
and I've had people say to me,
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you know, "Oh, you're so lucky.
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You got out of there. You must
feel great."
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You don't.
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[Massive fire sounds]
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I woke up thinking about 9/11,
went to bed thinking about it,
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dreamed about it, just couldn't
get out of it.
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I mean, I just kept replaying
that day over and over
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and over again.
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Before I met Tania, I had talked
to, you know,
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a couple of professional people,
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and it really wasn't helping me.
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I searched online,
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and I joined the support group
that they had for survivors.
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TANIA HEAD: We started as an
online peer support group
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where you could go into a Yahoo
group
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and connect to other survivors
24 hours a day.
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So, one day, you were having a
bad day,
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and you would post it online,
and within 30 minutes,
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you'd get 40 replies of people
saying,
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"I know what you feel," you
know.
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"It's okay to have those
feelings.
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I'm here for you.
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Just call me. Anything you
need."
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LORI: Many people were having
economic problems,
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health problems, just a lot of
that sense of parallel reality
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that people were heavily living
through, and I think,
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to a large degree, still do, and
I think it was just,
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just being with other people
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and talking about this stuff
helped.
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BRENDAN: I had many
conversations with Tania,
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just one-on-one conversations,
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but she gave me a lot of support
like nobody else had.
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ELIA: I admired her from the
very beginning
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how strong she seemed, and at
the same time,
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once I started to get to know
her,
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then I realized this whole
strength thing that she shows
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is really a facade.
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She's really in pain.
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She's, she was, she seemed to be
really in pain, um,
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and really, really distraught,
and, and I, and I said,
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"Well, of course.
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How could she not be?"
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[MUSIC]
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BRENDAN: When I first heard
Tania's story,
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she did not talk about it much,
and then one day,
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she just wrote it out in its
entirety,
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and it blew me away.
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I mean, you know, we had all
been through horrible things,
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but Tania's was just, just head
and shoulders
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above anything else that any of
us had gone through.
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[Police radio]
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TANIA HEAD: I started seeing
these flames, and I was like,
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"Something's happening in the
other tower."
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And I, I started thinking about
Dave right away.
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I, I, the first thing I did was
starting to count floors
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down from, from the top.
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He was on the hundredth floor,
and I was like,
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"Oh, my God, his floor is one of
the floors that has been hit."
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A woman started screaming,
"There's another plane coming.
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There's another plane coming."
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[Plane engine & breaking glass]
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[Explosion & fire]
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The first thing I felt was,
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was the, the air was sucked out
of my lungs like a,
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like a change in pressure.
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I, then I was flying.
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I was flying through the air
from the impact.
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I was just flying.
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I remember very well the pain of
hitting the wall,
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the marble wall, and then I,
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then I remember the warmth from,
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from the explosion, and then I
passed out.
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[Fire sounds]
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My back was, was on fire and my
arm, and I was,
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I was smelling my own skin
burning.
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I remember Welles Crowder, the
man with the red bandanna.
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He had some type of cloth,
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and I felt him use that to, to
put the flames out,
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and um, he hugged me, and he
said, um,
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"Just stay awake. Stay awake.
Help is coming."
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[MUSIC]
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I was, I was in the hospital
until Thanksgiving,
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November, 2001, and my back was
really burned
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and my arm was burned and I
couldn't walk.
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So, I was in a wheelchair.
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I couldn't even pull myself on
the wheelchair
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because I only had one good arm.
[Laughs]
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So, you know, between the
wheelchair, the trauma,
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the loss, I, I didn't know where
to start.
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It was just too hard.
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It was like looking at a
mountain
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that was 20,000 feet tall.
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[MUSIC]
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BRENDAN: My story was so
insignificant
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to what she went through that my
first reaction
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writing to her was, "That's
horrible,"
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and, "I don't belong in this
group,"
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and a lot of people wrote that,
and she was very supportive,
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saying, "No, you do.
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You know, what we all went
through was equally important."
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ELIA: She was fabulous.
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Here's this person who went
through so much
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that who in the world could
possibly survive this,
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yet she's a survivor.
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Here she is. She's a survivor!
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[MUSIC]
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TANIA HEAD: I think you find
that by talking to other people
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and helping others, getting
involved,
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it helps carry your own burden,
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and I think that's how you mask
it.
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You, you kind of, um hide your
pain
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by getting involved helping
others.
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[MUSIC]
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GERRY BOGACZ: I became aware of
Tania,
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and I was very curious as to how
she got through all that.
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It was a story that pulled you
in, obviously.
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But I did notice that her arm
was, looked like it had been,
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I don't know, it almost looked
like skin grafts
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on her right arm,
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and I remember thinking that it
didn't look like
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it had been burned.
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GERRY BOGACZ: I had felt mad at
myself for even thinking
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that there was something amiss,
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but I often wonder why I was
even asking the question.
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[MUSIC]
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GERRY BOGACZ: I first
encountered Tania Head
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on the Internet group.
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We began having an email
conversation,
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and she shared her story with
me,
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and I shared my story with her,
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which is kind of normal for
survivors to do.
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I was struck by how dramatic her
story was.
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GERRY BOGACZ: It was pervasive.
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It was this idea of this person
who had gone through so much,
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and, and people try to protect
her a lot,
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and I think I probably had a
protective feeling
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right from the start.
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TANIA HEAD: I had met Gerry
Bogacz,
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and Gerry was also meeting with
survivors.
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He had started having dinner
with people in his office
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who were interested in meeting
and discussing
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their September 11th experience.
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GERRY BOGACZ: I had the idea for
the Survivors' Network because,
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again, I had this feeling of
having a hole I needed to fill
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about 9/11 in me.
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I suggested that she come to a
meeting
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of the Survivors' Network as a
way of bringing,
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bringing these two groups
together,
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and that was the first time I
had met her in person.
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[MUSIC]
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TANIA HEAD: We ended up going
for coffee that same day,
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and we started to unite forces,
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and we formed the World Trade
Center Survivors' Network.
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I was driven. I'd been working
non-stop.
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I'd been working at my work,
for, for my work.
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I'd been working for the
Survivors' Network, for the,
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for Dave's foundation, for the
widows' group.
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I mean, I had just been working
24 hours a day
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non-stop for different things,
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and that's how my anger was
channeled
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because of this obsession that I
had to,
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to really not be like the
hijackers.
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[MUSIC]
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MARIAN FONTANA: I think Tania's
presence
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made the docent program that we
had envisioned possible.
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Her story kind of fit into that
kind of all-encompassing
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survivor and a hero and, you
know, a widow
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and everything that kind of 9/11
came to represent on that day.
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So, her story was incredible.
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ALICE GREENWALD: I would call
her just an energetic booster
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for the needs of the survivor
community.
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She genuinely wanted recognition
for the Survivor Network
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and the survivor community to
recognize not only
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what they had gone through and
attest to that,
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but to provide a venue for them
to feel like this is theirs.
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TANIA HEAD: And from there, I
started going down on my own.
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I've seen Sting, because I love
Sting.
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GERRY BOGACZ: We didn't have
access to the site,
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so that initial ability to
actually go into the site was,
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was a very powerful experience,
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and it was very much appreciated
that Tania
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was able to make those
arrangements.
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JANICE: It was amazing that she
survived.
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So, you were just thankful, you
know, to look at her
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and see people recover and heal
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and do amazing stuff with their
life.
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RICHARD: She had a tremendous
sense of humor
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and laughed a lot [Laughter]
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and always wanted to plan
another event
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and do important things,
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and one couldn't help but be
drawn into that.
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RUDY GIULIANI: Tania, you did a
great job.
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TANIA HEAD: Thank you.
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[MUSIC]
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MALE IN GREY COAT: Are you
comfortable?
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Hey Tania? Walk, walk...
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MALE: I think these reporters
are waiting for you.
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TANIA HEAD: No.
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FEMALE IN TAN COAT: You don't,
don't have to.
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JANICE: After we finished the
tour,
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we were getting ready to leave,
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and a group of reporters came
towards Tania.
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They wanted to get an interview.
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Tania started having a lot of
anxiety.
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She was like out of control...
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...and actually led up to a
full-blown panic attack.
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MALE IN GRAY COAT Just go, walk
quick, Tania, walk quick.
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TANIA HEAD: Okay.
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JANICE: Like totally breaking
down, crying,
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shaking, and I had to tell the
reporters to leave her alone,
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and I had to get her out of
there.
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MALE IN GRAY COAT: If you don't
wanna talk, we don't talk.
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[Camera shutters & crowd
talking]
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TANIA HEAD: One day I came home
from work,
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and what I found was rose petals
leading from the door
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to our dining room, and I
followed the rose petals,
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and I found Dave standing there
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with a coconut bra and a grass
skirt,
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dancing to Hawaiian songs, and I
was like, "Oh, my God."
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And he had, even cooked this
really disgusting Hawaiian food,
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recipes that he had found on the
internet.
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and on the dining table were
two,
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were two tickets to Hawaii
leaving the next day.
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[MUSIC]
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JANICE: He'd planned this whole
amazing trip
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because she was busy working,
and he wanted to take her away
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and had her measurements sent
and made her this beautiful,
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white dress, and her parents
came from California over there
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to witness the ceremony.
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It wasn't a, a, a legal
ceremony.
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It was like a just a ceremony of
a wedding.
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TANIA HEAD: I walked outside,
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and there were these four huge
Hawaiian warriors with torches
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waiting for me outside, and
they, I'm like,
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"What's going on?"
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And they're like, "No, we're
escorting you down the,
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down the garden aisle."
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And I go I'm like, "Okay."
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So, I followed them, and we went
all the way to the beach,
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and there was Dave standing in
the middle
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of a circle of orchids.
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And the next morning,
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we started calling all our
friends and families,
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telling them we had gotten
Maui-ed,
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not married but Maui-ed.
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[MUSIC]
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BRENDAN: Whenever she talked
about Dave,
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she never showed any pictures or
anything.
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We never met Dave's family.
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So, the thought crossed my mind,
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"What if she's one of these
people
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who just never tells the truth,
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and she just made everything
up?"
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You know, the, the thought
crossed my mind,
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but I, I didn't think it was
possible.
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So, what I did was, I was about
to go to bed that night,
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and I figured, "You know what?
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Let me just look online,
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do a little research on part of
her story,
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make sure there was a connection
and see the story's true,
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go to bed."
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[MUSIC]
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BRENDAN: And he existed.
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He was where she said he was,
and, you know,
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he died on that day.
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There were a lot of newspaper
articles, message boards.
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He's a very popular guy,
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but there was one thing that
wasn't there,
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any mention of Tania anywhere.
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No mention of a fiancé, no
mention of the trip to Hawaii
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that she talked about the month
before,
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I mean, just no mention of
anything that she said.
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[MUSIC]
349
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MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
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MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
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SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
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SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
353
00:19:44,459 --> 00:19:50,050
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
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SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
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She was in love with American
people and the United States.
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[SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
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ALISON CROWTHER: Okay, come on.
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Come on.
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You're a good boy.
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Yes, you are a good boy, and you
love your cookies,
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and it shows.
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Bang.
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Okay.
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That's not totally dead, but.
[Laughs]
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Well, he's been wearing a red
bandanna
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since we've had him, really.
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00:20:57,980 --> 00:21:02,019
When we lost Welles, we put it
on him,
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and he's always wear, worn, worn
one.
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00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:06,713
Yes, you have. Yes, you have.
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You're a good boy.
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I first heard the name Tania
Head
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when a friend of ours who we'd
gotten to know,
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a very lovely woman who
volunteers down at Ground Zero,
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called me and said, "Alison, I
think I've,
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I've, I've, I've met someone,
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00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:24,835
I've heard of someone else who
Welles saved.
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00:21:24,938 --> 00:21:27,216
This woman at Ground Zero was
leading the tour,
378
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,874
and she started sharing a story
about how
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the Man in the Red Bandanna
saved her.
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I said, "Oh, oh, that's
wonderful.
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You know, we would love to, to
meet her."
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BRENDAN: Tania, I remember the
first time we talked about it.
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I asked her, "Do you know that
guy with the red bandanna
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that they were talking about?"
385
00:21:42,887 --> 00:21:44,924
And she said, "Yeah, he saved my
life."
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ALISON CROWTHER: And then she
came to me, and she said,
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00:21:46,374 --> 00:21:48,686
"Well, she's a little reluctant
to meet with you.
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She's had some unfortunate
experiences with other families
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00:21:51,551 --> 00:21:54,727
being very angry that she
survived
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00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:57,108
and their loved ones didn't,
391
00:21:57,212 --> 00:21:59,697
and she would like to meet with
you but very privately.
392
00:21:59,801 --> 00:22:01,596
It has to be very privately."
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00:22:01,699 --> 00:22:03,252
I said, "Well, fine." You know,
"We'll meet.
394
00:22:03,356 --> 00:22:07,118
We're members of the Princeton
Club and have dinner there."
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00:22:07,222 --> 00:22:10,467
She seemed very grateful, and we
were, you know, very pleased.
396
00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:11,813
It was a beautiful thing.
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We were, we were very moved that
she, she'd been saved,
398
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and, and obviously, it meant so
much to her.
399
00:22:19,441 --> 00:22:20,856
TANIA HEAD: I find that family
members
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of people who were killed, they
wanna know what happened,
401
00:22:24,032 --> 00:22:28,036
but I just, I just don't wanna
put those images
402
00:22:28,139 --> 00:22:29,727
into their, their heads.
403
00:22:29,831 --> 00:22:31,177
They don't, they don't, they
don't have to know.
404
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,904
They don't have to know how
their loved ones died.
405
00:22:34,007 --> 00:22:37,494
I think it's, it's better if, if
they just don't know
406
00:22:37,597 --> 00:22:43,051
because I saw so much suffering
on that floor to the,
407
00:22:43,154 --> 00:22:47,366
to the degree where it's just,
it's just something that I,
408
00:22:47,469 --> 00:22:48,712
I don't wanna share with anyone.
409
00:22:48,815 --> 00:22:52,785
I'm just kind of been keeping it
to myself.
410
00:22:52,888 --> 00:22:55,719
It's, it's a secret that you
carry with you, it's, and,
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00:22:55,822 --> 00:22:57,755
and it becomes a burden because
you can't really share
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with a lot of people out there.
413
00:22:59,895 --> 00:23:03,623
Who, who wants to, who wants to
talk about body parts
414
00:23:03,727 --> 00:23:05,038
and blood and carnage?
415
00:23:05,142 --> 00:23:06,592
There's nobod...
416
00:23:06,695 --> 00:23:09,077
there's not that many people you
can talk to about that.
417
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:16,464
[MUSIC]
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LINDA: My head was covered.
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00:23:17,913 --> 00:23:19,915
But when the second plane
crashed,
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00:23:20,019 --> 00:23:23,402
I had to run for my life.
421
00:23:23,505 --> 00:23:25,921
[SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
422
00:23:26,025 --> 00:23:29,131
LINDA: Okay, this was tower
number two, the South Tower,
423
00:23:29,235 --> 00:23:30,685
the second tower to get hit.
424
00:23:30,788 --> 00:23:33,998
They were 110 stories each.
425
00:23:34,102 --> 00:23:37,208
They were so tall that sometimes
the people
426
00:23:37,312 --> 00:23:39,348
who came into work that worked
on the upper floors
427
00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:41,903
looked down at the clouds.
428
00:23:42,006 --> 00:23:43,525
This is one of the most
important things that I do
429
00:23:43,629 --> 00:23:44,802
with my life.
430
00:23:44,906 --> 00:23:47,702
I'm a survivor from September
11th,
431
00:23:47,805 --> 00:23:50,601
and I finally found a purpose.
432
00:23:50,705 --> 00:23:52,638
I know why I'm here,
433
00:23:52,741 --> 00:23:54,778
and it's to talk to people like
you that come
434
00:23:54,881 --> 00:23:56,124
and wanna hear our stories.
435
00:23:56,227 --> 00:23:58,091
So, that's very important to me.
436
00:23:58,195 --> 00:23:59,438
This is Tania.
437
00:23:59,541 --> 00:24:01,992
Tania's also a survivor.
438
00:24:02,095 --> 00:24:04,339
She's also Spanish speaking.
439
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,134
So, she has offered to help.
440
00:24:06,237 --> 00:24:07,998
TANIA HEAD: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
441
00:24:08,101 --> 00:24:09,482
LINDA: Okay.
442
00:24:09,586 --> 00:24:10,552
She's also a survivor,
443
00:24:10,656 --> 00:24:13,382
and she's also one of my best
friends.
444
00:24:13,486 --> 00:24:14,798
I met Tania...
445
00:24:14,901 --> 00:24:17,283
BRENDAN: Tania and Linda were
like sisters.
446
00:24:17,386 --> 00:24:20,217
They just, every time we had any
kind of event,
447
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,082
whether it was, you know, like
an official meeting
448
00:24:23,185 --> 00:24:24,670
or any time we went out
socially,
449
00:24:24,773 --> 00:24:26,499
those two were always together.
450
00:24:26,603 --> 00:24:27,086
LINDA: Let's show him what
regular people
451
00:24:27,189 --> 00:24:28,294
at the U.S. Open do.
452
00:24:28,397 --> 00:24:29,053
You ready?
453
00:24:29,157 --> 00:24:31,746
TANIA HEAD: Yeah.
454
00:24:31,849 --> 00:24:33,092
LINDA: Let's show him now what
survivors
455
00:24:33,195 --> 00:24:36,578
do when they go to the U.S.
Open.
456
00:24:36,682 --> 00:24:37,476
TANIA HEAD: Checking out for
planes
457
00:24:37,579 --> 00:24:38,718
taking off from LaGuardia.
458
00:24:38,822 --> 00:24:39,478
LINDA: We're watching the planes
take off from LaGuardia.
459
00:24:39,581 --> 00:24:41,445
[Laughter]
460
00:24:41,549 --> 00:24:42,688
MALE PRODUCER That's good.
461
00:24:42,791 --> 00:24:45,484
[Laughter]
462
00:24:45,587 --> 00:24:47,969
LINDA: Tania taught me how to
live life with grace,
463
00:24:48,072 --> 00:24:53,975
with courage, with the strength
to overcome, to me,
464
00:24:54,078 --> 00:24:55,839
some of the scariest things that
I've ever faced
465
00:24:55,942 --> 00:24:57,910
in my entire life.
466
00:24:58,013 --> 00:25:02,086
[MUSIC]
467
00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:03,950
LINDA: I don't wanna live my
life based on
468
00:25:04,054 --> 00:25:05,469
what happened to me.
469
00:25:05,573 --> 00:25:08,196
I wanna live my life like
Tania's living her life,
470
00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:11,993
like going out and helping other
people and doing something good
471
00:25:12,096 --> 00:25:15,030
with my really horrible
experience.
472
00:25:15,134 --> 00:25:25,075
[MUSIC]
473
00:25:25,178 --> 00:25:34,498
[MUSIC]
474
00:25:34,602 --> 00:25:36,569
ALISON CROWTHER: We had a very
beautiful bronze sculpture
475
00:25:36,673 --> 00:25:40,573
of a phoenix bird rising from
the World Trade Center
476
00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:42,886
with our message that, you know,
good will prevail,
477
00:25:42,989 --> 00:25:45,647
that, that good will rise from
the ashes like the phoenix
478
00:25:45,751 --> 00:25:48,650
and prevail.
479
00:25:48,754 --> 00:25:52,654
So, we were dedicating that
sculpture at church,
480
00:25:52,758 --> 00:25:55,899
and we invited Tania to come.
481
00:25:56,002 --> 00:25:59,592
MALE IN WHITE SHIRT: Tania was
on that 78th Floor sky lobby,
482
00:25:59,696 --> 00:26:02,768
and she's here with us today,
thank God,
483
00:26:02,871 --> 00:26:07,496
and I'm gonna ask her now if she
would speak a little for you.
484
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,844
[Applause]
485
00:26:09,947 --> 00:26:13,019
LINDA: I remember when we got to
his service,
486
00:26:13,123 --> 00:26:14,918
Tania was a nervous wreck.
487
00:26:15,021 --> 00:26:16,160
She couldn't get up.
488
00:26:17,437 --> 00:26:18,577
She couldn't read the piece, and
she had asked me to read it.
489
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,683
When Alison and Jeff asked me to
speak today,
490
00:26:21,787 --> 00:26:26,274
I sat down staring at a blank
screen, and I cried,
491
00:26:26,377 --> 00:26:30,243
unable to find the words, the
right words to say.
492
00:26:30,347 --> 00:26:32,936
What exactly do you say to the
family of the man
493
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,974
who saved your life and gave his
in the process?
494
00:26:37,078 --> 00:26:42,048
Welles was my hero, too, because
he saved Tania.
495
00:26:42,152 --> 00:26:44,603
And I found myself flying
through the air
496
00:26:44,706 --> 00:26:47,433
and I eventually crashed against
the marble wall.
497
00:26:47,536 --> 00:26:50,609
ALISON CROWTHER: It was all part
of this beautiful service
498
00:26:50,712 --> 00:26:55,648
that was filled with love and
hope and just,
499
00:26:55,752 --> 00:27:01,033
we were so moved, really moved.
500
00:27:01,136 --> 00:27:03,000
LINDA: Hey, Welles, I'm
prepared.
501
00:27:03,104 --> 00:27:07,902
[Applause]
502
00:27:08,005 --> 00:27:09,006
ALISON CROWTHER: I was almost
paralyzed.
503
00:27:10,145 --> 00:27:11,664
The things they were saying
about our son, Welles,
504
00:27:11,768 --> 00:27:13,459
were so beautiful and so
powerful,
505
00:27:13,562 --> 00:27:14,460
and they said over and over
again,
506
00:27:15,495 --> 00:27:19,361
"You have no idea, truly, what
your son faced."
507
00:27:19,465 --> 00:27:23,055
We believe that good, that the
good of the human spirit is
508
00:27:23,158 --> 00:27:33,030
far more powerful than the evil
that happened that day.
509
00:27:33,134 --> 00:27:34,687
TANIA HEAD: Now that Dave is
gone,
510
00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:37,000
because we were gonna have that
wedding on October 12,
511
00:27:37,103 --> 00:27:39,623
we never really filed the
marriage certificate
512
00:27:39,727 --> 00:27:40,935
here in New York.
513
00:27:41,038 --> 00:27:44,455
So, in the eyes of the laws, we
weren't married.
514
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,390
There was no need for us to file
it because we were gonna
515
00:27:48,494 --> 00:27:50,220
get married here October 12.
516
00:27:50,323 --> 00:27:53,292
So, when he died, that was a
huge problem for me,
517
00:27:53,395 --> 00:27:55,984
but I was able to solve that
with the help of a lawyer,
518
00:27:56,088 --> 00:28:00,609
and a judge, um, ended up
marrying us posthumously,
519
00:28:00,713 --> 00:28:03,889
which was the saddest thing in
the world to become a widow,
520
00:28:03,992 --> 00:28:08,825
you know, like that, but it's
strange.
521
00:28:08,928 --> 00:28:15,624
[MUSIC]
522
00:28:15,728 --> 00:28:16,971
LINDA: Tania, this year, was
very, very distant
523
00:28:17,074 --> 00:28:19,456
from all of us.
524
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:28,983
And she had been in denial for
years about her husband dying.
525
00:28:29,086 --> 00:28:30,639
JANICE: There was times when I
was concerned
526
00:28:30,743 --> 00:28:32,503
that she would hurt herself,
527
00:28:32,607 --> 00:28:35,575
maybe commit suicide because she
would sometimes say
528
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,474
that she wanted to die,
529
00:28:37,577 --> 00:28:39,579
and a couple of the other board
members and I
530
00:28:39,683 --> 00:28:40,580
would talk about that,
531
00:28:41,616 --> 00:28:43,135
and we were concerned at times
that she might
532
00:28:43,238 --> 00:28:44,930
take her own life.
533
00:28:45,033 --> 00:28:46,276
LINDA: Tania was in the middle
of doing
534
00:28:46,379 --> 00:28:48,899
this very intensive therapy
called flooding
535
00:28:49,003 --> 00:28:51,074
to face Dave's death.
536
00:28:51,177 --> 00:28:53,973
JANICE: You would tell your
story to a therapist,
537
00:28:54,077 --> 00:28:56,079
and you would record it,
538
00:28:56,182 --> 00:28:59,565
LINDA: And you have to keep
reliving over and over again
539
00:28:59,668 --> 00:29:03,500
the experience of the tragic or
traumatic event
540
00:29:03,603 --> 00:29:06,330
that went through your life.
541
00:29:06,434 --> 00:29:10,679
She tape recorded her experience
from September 11th.
542
00:29:10,783 --> 00:29:11,611
TANIA HEAD: I heard the engines.
543
00:29:11,715 --> 00:29:13,786
I saw people pray.
544
00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:15,305
You knew that you were gonna
die,
545
00:29:15,408 --> 00:29:17,756
and I was just praying, please
don't let this hurt.
546
00:29:17,859 --> 00:29:19,067
Please don't let this hurt.
547
00:29:19,171 --> 00:29:19,965
LINDA: I would be behind her,
548
00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:21,760
and she would start circling
around,
549
00:29:21,863 --> 00:29:24,003
and the tape would play, "Oh, my
God.
550
00:29:24,107 --> 00:29:25,729
Oh, my God, the plane is coming.
551
00:29:25,833 --> 00:29:28,767
The plane is coming," and it
would literally crash.
552
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:30,492
And I could tell you, I could
visualize the stuff,
553
00:29:30,596 --> 00:29:32,494
listening to her talk about it.
554
00:29:32,598 --> 00:29:37,430
[SIRENS]
555
00:29:37,534 --> 00:29:42,228
LINDA: She would recount how her
assistant was decapitated,
556
00:29:42,332 --> 00:29:47,647
how everyone around her was, was
burnt.
557
00:29:47,751 --> 00:29:49,649
She told me that her arm was
completely severed,
558
00:29:49,753 --> 00:29:51,444
that there was just one little
piece of skin right here
559
00:29:51,548 --> 00:29:53,722
that where it was hanging off,
560
00:29:53,826 --> 00:29:55,794
and some man started tugging on
her arm,
561
00:29:55,897 --> 00:29:58,520
and she was screaming and crying
because she was afraid
562
00:29:58,624 --> 00:30:00,281
that this man was gonna pull her
arm off,
563
00:30:00,384 --> 00:30:02,317
and she told me that she took
her arm,
564
00:30:02,421 --> 00:30:04,388
and she tucked it into her coat
565
00:30:04,492 --> 00:30:07,081
to keep it from falling off her
body.
566
00:30:07,184 --> 00:30:09,083
And she'd start crying harder
and harder,
567
00:30:09,186 --> 00:30:10,878
and she would just, she'd be a
wreck,
568
00:30:10,981 --> 00:30:12,603
and I would be trying to hold
her up,
569
00:30:12,707 --> 00:30:15,572
like I didn't know what to do. I
didn't know what to do.
570
00:30:15,675 --> 00:30:16,642
Right now, even talking about
this,
571
00:30:16,745 --> 00:30:19,369
I get so worked up that I start
going
572
00:30:19,472 --> 00:30:20,957
into so much anxiety over this,
573
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:24,961
but I did this for her because
she was gonna get better.
574
00:30:25,064 --> 00:30:26,755
The nightmares were so bad.
575
00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:29,068
In fact, they were worse.
576
00:30:29,172 --> 00:30:32,244
I started incorporating what she
had told me on the tape
577
00:30:32,347 --> 00:30:36,110
into my nightmares, and there
wasn't almost a night
578
00:30:36,213 --> 00:30:39,492
that I didn't have a building
collapsing on me.
579
00:30:39,596 --> 00:30:40,769
When I finally told her,
580
00:30:42,081 --> 00:30:44,083
"Tania, I've got to stop doing
the flooding exercise with you,"
581
00:30:44,187 --> 00:30:46,914
she told me that I was a
horrible friend,
582
00:30:47,017 --> 00:30:49,261
and I was so selfish.
583
00:30:49,364 --> 00:30:51,366
How could I be such a selfish
person?
584
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:53,955
Didn't I realize what she went
through?
585
00:30:54,059 --> 00:30:57,752
Didn't I realize that the trauma
that she had sustained
586
00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,513
was so much worse than the
trauma I had sustained?
587
00:31:00,617 --> 00:31:03,862
I mean, how can, how can I live
with that?
588
00:31:03,965 --> 00:31:06,761
ELIA: I actually became very
worried about Linda
589
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:10,730
because I know Linda's still
working through her own stuff.
590
00:31:10,834 --> 00:31:12,905
So, I was worried that Linda
would be that much involved
591
00:31:13,009 --> 00:31:16,875
with someone whom I came to
realize
592
00:31:16,978 --> 00:31:24,779
was not doing well at all and,
and seemed to be getting worse.
593
00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:36,342
[MUSIC]
594
00:31:36,446 --> 00:31:46,387
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
595
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:56,431
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
596
00:31:56,466 --> 00:32:02,058
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
597
00:32:02,058 --> 00:32:06,476
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
598
00:32:24,494 --> 00:32:29,188
[MUSIC]
599
00:32:29,292 --> 00:32:39,233
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
600
00:32:39,336 --> 00:32:49,277
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
601
00:32:49,312 --> 00:33:02,601
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
602
00:33:02,704 --> 00:33:07,261
[HELICOPTER]
603
00:33:07,364 --> 00:33:08,262
GERRY BOGACZ: Okay, folks,
welcome everyone
604
00:33:09,297 --> 00:33:11,541
to our walk today that's gonna
be recognizing
605
00:33:11,644 --> 00:33:13,543
all the members of the 9/11
community,
606
00:33:13,646 --> 00:33:15,579
the victims and their families,
607
00:33:15,683 --> 00:33:18,134
the rescuers and recovery
workers.
608
00:33:18,237 --> 00:33:21,344
The walk has been organized by
the World Trade Center
609
00:33:21,447 --> 00:33:22,897
Survivors' Network.
610
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:25,106
It's an amazing organization in
that
611
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:27,005
there's no real hierarchy to it.
612
00:33:27,108 --> 00:33:28,903
Everybody just gets together and
does the work,
613
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:32,596
and I do wanna recognize the
coordinators of this,
614
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:34,633
Tania Head.
615
00:33:34,736 --> 00:33:36,186
[Applause]
616
00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:37,360
GERRY BOGACZ: Tania began to
tell me
617
00:33:37,463 --> 00:33:41,122
that people in the network were
saying that they had
618
00:33:41,226 --> 00:33:43,297
had some concerns with things
that I was doing.
619
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,161
There were people who had told
her
620
00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:49,130
that I was not representing
survivors aggressively enough.
621
00:33:49,234 --> 00:33:52,306
Then, the board of the, of the
network basically called me in
622
00:33:52,409 --> 00:33:54,929
and told me what their concerns
were.
623
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,174
A primary person in that whole
conversation was Tania.
624
00:33:58,277 --> 00:34:00,555
It was Tania who was basically
running this meeting.
625
00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:06,561
JANICE: Tania was frightened of
Gerry,
626
00:34:06,665 --> 00:34:08,563
that he was a hard worker,
627
00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:10,531
and, he started the Survivors'
Network,
628
00:34:10,634 --> 00:34:14,431
and I think she knew that she
couldn't manipulate him.
629
00:34:14,535 --> 00:34:18,125
So, she kind of manipulated
everybody else to go
630
00:34:18,228 --> 00:34:22,991
against him so that she could
get him out.
631
00:34:23,095 --> 00:34:27,513
LINDA: She had me thinking that
Gerry was bad
632
00:34:27,617 --> 00:34:29,170
for the organization.
633
00:34:29,274 --> 00:34:31,690
Yet, in my heart, I adore Gerry.
634
00:34:31,793 --> 00:34:34,382
I, still to this day, I adore
and love Gerry.
635
00:34:34,486 --> 00:34:36,591
He's such a good person, but you
have to sometimes
636
00:34:36,695 --> 00:34:40,078
separate yourself from you as a
person
637
00:34:40,181 --> 00:34:41,769
and you as part of an
organization,
638
00:34:41,872 --> 00:34:43,150
and that's what we had to do.
639
00:34:43,253 --> 00:34:44,496
GERRY BOGACZ: And, um,
personally, I'm very proud of,
640
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,636
of this organization and the
people who are in it.
641
00:34:46,739 --> 00:34:48,569
They've done a great deal of
work...
642
00:34:48,672 --> 00:34:52,745
We were having our annual
elections for the board,
643
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:55,403
and the night before the
election meeting,
644
00:34:55,507 --> 00:34:58,199
Tania called me and started to
talk to me about,
645
00:34:58,303 --> 00:35:00,477
"You don't really wanna come to
this meeting, now, do you?"
646
00:35:00,581 --> 00:35:03,722
You know, that type of thing,
and I started talking.
647
00:35:03,825 --> 00:35:05,758
I said, "Yeah, no, I'm, I, I, I
wanna be there,"
648
00:35:05,862 --> 00:35:07,208
and so forth, and then I
realized
649
00:35:07,312 --> 00:35:09,245
through the conversation that
what she was really saying
650
00:35:09,348 --> 00:35:11,799
Is that I wasn't going to be
elected to the board,
651
00:35:11,902 --> 00:35:13,111
or re-elected to the board.
652
00:35:13,214 --> 00:35:14,319
I even said it to her.
653
00:35:15,561 --> 00:35:15,837
I said, "You're telling me I'm
not gonna be re-elected,"
654
00:35:16,735 --> 00:35:18,116
and she was kind of quiet, and I
said,
655
00:35:18,219 --> 00:35:19,807
"Well, I'm still gonna be
there."
656
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:27,194
[CITY SOUNDS]
657
00:35:27,297 --> 00:35:30,231
GERRY: The next day, I went to
the meeting,
658
00:35:30,335 --> 00:35:32,923
and, in fact, I wasn't
re-elected to the board,
659
00:35:33,027 --> 00:35:35,892
and I left at that point.
660
00:35:35,995 --> 00:35:38,066
I remember standing at the bus
stop waiting for the bus home,
661
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:42,105
and, you know, having a physical
reaction to it,
662
00:35:42,209 --> 00:35:45,004
just feeling shaken, totally
shaken but not in a,
663
00:35:45,108 --> 00:35:46,972
in a psychological way, a
physical way,
664
00:35:47,075 --> 00:35:49,595
actually shaking and just
wondering
665
00:35:49,699 --> 00:35:52,978
how I had managed to alienate
all those people,
666
00:35:53,081 --> 00:35:56,809
you know, and, and, and part of
me was sort of beginning
667
00:35:56,913 --> 00:35:57,948
to rebel against it.
668
00:35:58,052 --> 00:35:59,122
There was some anger there, too,
like,
669
00:35:59,226 --> 00:36:00,434
what, what, what just happened?
670
00:36:00,537 --> 00:36:01,814
But it was mostly self-doubt.
671
00:36:01,918 --> 00:36:03,782
It was mostly like, what did I
do here?
672
00:36:03,885 --> 00:36:06,267
How, how did this happen?
673
00:36:06,371 --> 00:36:09,167
The next day, they came out with
a press release,
674
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:14,862
which described the new board
with Tania as the president,
675
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,796
offices we didn't have before.
676
00:36:17,899 --> 00:36:20,212
So, there was this mysterious
quality to it, too.
677
00:36:20,316 --> 00:36:22,421
I just couldn't put all these
pieces together
678
00:36:22,525 --> 00:36:26,563
and figure out why did it come
out this way.
679
00:36:26,667 --> 00:36:33,260
And I haven't really been active
with the network since.
680
00:36:33,363 --> 00:36:34,330
BRENDAN: I'm like, "Oh, my God.
681
00:36:34,433 --> 00:36:36,677
I, I, I can't believe I'm seeing
this."
682
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:38,437
And it's like now wait a minute.
683
00:36:38,541 --> 00:36:40,681
I, I keep trying to find one
more website
684
00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:41,923
that will confirm her story,
685
00:36:42,027 --> 00:36:46,480
and I'm checking and checking
and checking... Nothing.
686
00:36:46,583 --> 00:36:49,207
Needless to say, I didn't get
any sleep that night,
687
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:55,385
but I sat on this information.
688
00:36:55,489 --> 00:36:58,699
These people were so important
in my life.
689
00:36:58,802 --> 00:36:59,941
They brought me back.
690
00:37:00,045 --> 00:37:03,048
You know, they, they made me
into a human being again.
691
00:37:03,151 --> 00:37:05,775
I don't what would have happened
if I'd never met them,
692
00:37:05,878 --> 00:37:09,227
and I did not wanna lose that,
you know.
693
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:13,645
I, I, I just could see her
making all these people go away,
694
00:37:13,748 --> 00:37:16,958
and I, I just, I couldn't do it.
695
00:37:17,062 --> 00:37:20,099
I, I knew deep down that I was
gonna tell eventually.
696
00:37:20,203 --> 00:37:23,517
You know, I, I just knew, but I
didn't wanna do it.
697
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:25,657
I mean, I was just too scared
because I knew the power
698
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,935
that she had over people.
699
00:37:28,038 --> 00:37:39,118
[MUSIC]
700
00:37:39,222 --> 00:37:42,087
ELIA: It was a couple of days
before the sixth anniversary,
701
00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:44,883
Tania came over to me.
702
00:37:44,986 --> 00:37:49,819
She was frantic, and she said
that a New York Times reporter
703
00:37:49,922 --> 00:37:52,856
was going to do a story on her.
704
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,719
JANICE: They really just wanted
to do
705
00:37:53,823 --> 00:37:55,273
a really nice story on her.
706
00:37:55,376 --> 00:37:56,895
Six years later, where is she?
707
00:37:56,998 --> 00:37:59,035
You know, that she went to
Harvard and Stanford,
708
00:37:59,138 --> 00:38:00,761
she's doing all these wonderful
things.
709
00:38:00,864 --> 00:38:02,418
LINDA: She agreed to it, which I
was really happy about.
710
00:38:02,521 --> 00:38:04,592
As time went on, as time went
on,
711
00:38:04,696 --> 00:38:06,076
she kept pushing back,
712
00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:08,320
and she was acting very strange
about it.
713
00:38:08,424 --> 00:38:10,011
ELIA: He was asking a lot of
personal questions
714
00:38:10,115 --> 00:38:11,565
that she did not wanna answer,
715
00:38:11,668 --> 00:38:15,879
and he was going to write a lot
of lies about her.
716
00:38:15,983 --> 00:38:17,950
JANICE: They were supposed to
meet,
717
00:38:18,054 --> 00:38:20,712
but she said that she had
another appointment
718
00:38:20,815 --> 00:38:21,885
and was gonna be late.
719
00:38:21,989 --> 00:38:23,473
So, they had to cancel that.
720
00:38:23,577 --> 00:38:26,959
[PHONE RINGING]
721
00:38:27,063 --> 00:38:29,893
JANICE: So, he called her up,
and she got very upset
722
00:38:29,997 --> 00:38:32,137
and hung up on him.
723
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,347
She called me and said, "He's
asking me these questions,
724
00:38:35,451 --> 00:38:37,487
and why is he asking me all
these questions?"
725
00:38:37,591 --> 00:38:39,731
And I say, "Well, you don't have
to answer them.
726
00:38:39,834 --> 00:38:41,008
It's okay."
727
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,941
ALISON CROWTHER: We got a call
from a reporter, David Dunlap,
728
00:38:43,942 --> 00:38:46,013
at The New York Times, and he
said, "Hi."
729
00:38:46,116 --> 00:38:46,979
And he said,
730
00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:48,326
"I'm writing this story about
Tania Head,
731
00:38:49,016 --> 00:38:49,948
and, you know, we just need,
732
00:38:51,225 --> 00:38:53,779
there's a couple things we can't
quite put into place here."
733
00:38:53,883 --> 00:38:56,264
My immediate reaction to his
call was,
734
00:38:56,368 --> 00:38:59,371
"Why are you harassing this
woman?
735
00:38:59,475 --> 00:39:00,959
She's been through so much."
736
00:39:01,062 --> 00:39:02,547
GERRY BOGACZ: I started to
answer their questions,
737
00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:03,755
and about a quarter of the way
in,
738
00:39:03,858 --> 00:39:05,343
I realized that this wasn't just
a piece.
739
00:39:05,446 --> 00:39:08,000
This was an investigation.
740
00:39:08,104 --> 00:39:20,254
[PHONE RINGING & CITY SOUNDS]
741
00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,256
LINDA: As The New York Times was
harassing Tania
742
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,500
with phone call after phone
call,
743
00:39:24,603 --> 00:39:27,744
she told me that Merrill Lynch
had arranged
744
00:39:27,848 --> 00:39:30,471
a family conference at the St.
Regis.
745
00:39:30,575 --> 00:39:33,716
There were 11 co-workers that
had died with her,
746
00:39:33,819 --> 00:39:39,446
and these families wanted to
know how their loved ones died.
747
00:39:39,549 --> 00:39:40,792
She was so afraid.
748
00:39:40,895 --> 00:39:42,103
There were people that she told
me
749
00:39:42,207 --> 00:39:44,658
had stalked her over the years.
750
00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:47,833
She called me that morning
hysterically crying, and said,
751
00:39:47,937 --> 00:39:49,076
"Linda, I need you to come in
now.
752
00:39:49,179 --> 00:39:50,526
These people are so mean to me.
753
00:39:50,629 --> 00:39:51,630
They're screaming at me."
754
00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:53,149
[TAXI HORN]
755
00:39:53,252 --> 00:39:55,945
LINDA: I ran out of my
apartment. I hailed a taxi.
756
00:39:56,048 --> 00:39:58,430
I went right into the St. Regis
Hotel,
757
00:39:58,534 --> 00:40:01,744
and I found her laying on the
side of the hotel,
758
00:40:01,847 --> 00:40:02,538
and she kept repeating,
759
00:40:03,366 --> 00:40:03,884
"I tried to get these people
out.
760
00:40:03,987 --> 00:40:04,816
I tried to save them.
761
00:40:04,919 --> 00:40:05,886
I tried to save them all,"
762
00:40:05,989 --> 00:40:09,407
and she was crying and shaking
and a mess.
763
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:11,443
She kept telling me over the
past six months
764
00:40:11,547 --> 00:40:13,272
that she was gonna try to kill
herself,
765
00:40:13,376 --> 00:40:18,416
and I figured, this is the day
that she's gonna kill herself.
766
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:19,796
And I helped her up, and I said,
767
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:22,350
"Let me bring her inside to the,
to the hotel.
768
00:40:22,454 --> 00:40:25,733
They probably know exactly. They
we're probably there.
769
00:40:25,837 --> 00:40:27,977
They probably arranged it, and
when I went inside,
770
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,875
and I begged them for a quiet
place for us to sit,
771
00:40:29,979 --> 00:40:35,778
they didn't even know what I was
talking about.
772
00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:37,849
After a little while, she pulled
herself together,
773
00:40:37,952 --> 00:40:40,023
and she asked to go the Marsh
McLennan Memorial
774
00:40:40,127 --> 00:40:44,200
where her husband Dave's name
was.
775
00:40:44,303 --> 00:40:47,548
And we were just touching Dave's
name over and over again,
776
00:40:47,652 --> 00:40:49,308
and she was crying, but she was
calming down
777
00:40:49,412 --> 00:40:52,450
because I felt like, you know,
Dave was calming her down.
778
00:40:52,553 --> 00:40:56,454
Dave was calming her down.
779
00:40:56,557 --> 00:40:58,456
And all of a sudden, she was
like,
780
00:40:58,559 --> 00:40:59,526
"You can go home now, Linda,
781
00:40:59,629 --> 00:41:01,459
It's okay. I'm gonna be all
right."
782
00:41:01,562 --> 00:41:05,635
[MUSIC]
783
00:41:05,739 --> 00:41:08,086
[PHONE RINGS]
784
00:41:08,189 --> 00:41:10,778
ELIA: She begged me to call the
reporter
785
00:41:10,882 --> 00:41:13,194
and tell him to stop.
786
00:41:13,298 --> 00:41:15,714
I called up, and I left a
message saying,
787
00:41:15,818 --> 00:41:18,199
"I understand you're doing a
story on her.
788
00:41:18,303 --> 00:41:20,995
She does not wish to have a
story written on her.
789
00:41:21,099 --> 00:41:27,968
Please respect her, her request,
her wishes."
790
00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:30,522
And that was it.
791
00:41:30,626 --> 00:41:33,249
And after I hung up, she started
yelling at me,
792
00:41:33,352 --> 00:41:36,183
telling me that I probably just
made it worse
793
00:41:36,286 --> 00:41:42,051
by telling him that.
794
00:41:42,154 --> 00:41:45,710
If he writes lies, you can just
verify.
795
00:41:45,813 --> 00:41:50,197
All you have to do is just get
Dave's parents to speak up
796
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,682
and all his friends.
797
00:41:52,786 --> 00:41:54,028
JANICE: I called him up, and I
said,
798
00:41:54,132 --> 00:41:57,204
"You know, this is a really
difficult time of the year.
799
00:41:57,307 --> 00:42:00,000
Can you please wait until after
the anniversary?
800
00:42:00,103 --> 00:42:04,211
See, she said that she would do
the interview then."
801
00:42:04,314 --> 00:42:06,662
He was screaming on the phone to
me one day.
802
00:42:06,765 --> 00:42:09,043
He's like goes, "Why can't you
just answer the questions?"
803
00:42:09,147 --> 00:42:16,534
[MUSIC]
804
00:42:16,637 --> 00:42:19,709
LORI: She was driving us
absolutely [bleeping] crazy.
805
00:42:19,813 --> 00:42:22,885
She would call us constantly
several times a day
806
00:42:22,988 --> 00:42:24,714
to talk about this stuff, and,
of course,
807
00:42:24,818 --> 00:42:25,922
everybody kept saying,
808
00:42:26,026 --> 00:42:27,406
"Just talk to The Times already.
809
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:29,305
What is your problem?"
810
00:42:29,408 --> 00:42:36,795
[MUSIC]
811
00:42:36,899 --> 00:42:38,348
LORI: I remember the night
before
812
00:42:38,452 --> 00:42:40,419
September 11th anniversary.
813
00:42:40,523 --> 00:42:43,181
She always had a barbecue at her
house.
814
00:42:43,284 --> 00:42:44,251
BRENDAN: And Tania seemed to be
having
815
00:42:44,354 --> 00:42:45,632
a lot of difficulty with
something.
816
00:42:45,735 --> 00:42:46,840
You know, she was crying,
817
00:42:46,943 --> 00:42:49,359
running out of the barbecue and
everything.
818
00:42:49,463 --> 00:42:50,291
LORI: "The Times keeps calling
me.
819
00:42:51,258 --> 00:42:51,810
The Times keeps calling me," or
whatever.
820
00:42:52,915 --> 00:42:55,158
She was no longer even connected
to us as friends.
821
00:42:55,262 --> 00:42:57,229
She was so caught up in her own
mania.
822
00:42:57,333 --> 00:42:59,059
LINDA: She was sitting outside
with Janice,
823
00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:00,578
crying hysterically, saying,
824
00:43:00,681 --> 00:43:03,097
"They're, they're asking all
these questions.
825
00:43:03,201 --> 00:43:04,892
They're fact checking.
826
00:43:04,996 --> 00:43:08,102
They're questioning my story."
827
00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:09,932
And I remember thinking to
myself
828
00:43:10,035 --> 00:43:12,382
what horrible people they are.
829
00:43:12,486 --> 00:43:14,039
BRENDAN: I'm thinking, "This
guy's on to her,"
830
00:43:14,143 --> 00:43:16,317
because there's no reason why
she should be
831
00:43:16,421 --> 00:43:18,216
so uncomfortable about this.
832
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:20,459
ELIA: Here's Linda, supposedly,
this is the,
833
00:43:20,563 --> 00:43:22,151
this is, this is the sixth
anniversary.
834
00:43:22,254 --> 00:43:25,533
Linda should be in her own
stuff,
835
00:43:25,637 --> 00:43:28,260
and she's worried about Tania
crying.
836
00:43:28,364 --> 00:43:30,504
LINDA: I begged her.
837
00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,782
I begged her to give me
something,
838
00:43:32,886 --> 00:43:35,889
a piece of evidence that I could
go to to The New York Times.
839
00:43:35,992 --> 00:43:39,755
I begged her, "Give me the name
of the firefighter
840
00:43:39,858 --> 00:43:43,172
that carried you out that
morning, the one that was,
841
00:43:43,275 --> 00:43:44,794
that you were handed off to
842
00:43:44,898 --> 00:43:46,762
and threw you underneath that
fire truck
843
00:43:46,865 --> 00:43:49,212
when the tower came down right
on West Street.
844
00:43:49,316 --> 00:43:51,663
You told me that story a million
times.
845
00:43:51,767 --> 00:43:54,252
You and that firefighter
survived."
846
00:43:54,355 --> 00:43:57,980
Everybody else in Tania's story
had died.
847
00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:01,949
I begged her for the name of
that firefighter,
848
00:44:02,053 --> 00:44:04,124
and she wouldn't give it to me.
849
00:44:04,227 --> 00:44:08,059
She would not give me the name
of that firefighter.
850
00:44:08,162 --> 00:44:09,577
She wouldn't.
851
00:44:09,681 --> 00:44:16,895
[RAIN AND THUNDER]
852
00:44:16,999 --> 00:44:19,657
JANICE: I had suggested to her
to get an attorney.
853
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,762
I said, "Why don't you get
yourself an attorney?
854
00:44:21,866 --> 00:44:24,558
This way then you know what your
rights are."
855
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,112
As we were going up in the
elevator, she says,
856
00:44:27,216 --> 00:44:30,288
"Okay, Janice, I'm gonna tell
you my story.
857
00:44:30,391 --> 00:44:32,221
I'm not a U.S. citizen.
858
00:44:32,324 --> 00:44:35,431
That's why I can't say anything
to the reporters."
859
00:44:35,534 --> 00:44:37,675
So, I said, "It doesn't matter
to me
860
00:44:37,778 --> 00:44:39,262
you're not a U.S. citizen, you
know.
861
00:44:39,366 --> 00:44:40,091
That's okay.
862
00:44:40,954 --> 00:44:41,195
I don't think anybody will mind
that
863
00:44:41,886 --> 00:44:43,266
you're not a U.S. citizen."
864
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:45,130
So, we went into the lawyer's
office,
865
00:44:45,234 --> 00:44:46,718
and the lawyer said that I
didn't have
866
00:44:46,822 --> 00:44:50,515
client privilege rights,
867
00:44:50,618 --> 00:44:53,932
so that if, if it was okay, for
me to wait outside.
868
00:44:54,036 --> 00:44:55,209
And I says, "Absolutely.
869
00:44:55,313 --> 00:44:59,282
I'm here just to, you know, as
her friend."
870
00:44:59,386 --> 00:45:04,943
I sat outside for two hours, and
the lawyer calls me in.
871
00:45:05,047 --> 00:45:07,118
She started saying things back
to Tania
872
00:45:07,221 --> 00:45:09,396
that they had spoke about in the
meeting,
873
00:45:09,499 --> 00:45:15,989
and as she was saying back to
Tania, you know,
874
00:45:16,092 --> 00:45:19,302
"It's okay that you only knew
Dave a few months,"
875
00:45:19,406 --> 00:45:21,270
and now here the story I had
known was that
876
00:45:21,373 --> 00:45:22,996
she was married, and, you know,
877
00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:25,239
they had this long relationship.
878
00:45:25,343 --> 00:45:27,207
TANIA HEAD: My life was perfect.
879
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:28,449
JANICE: And it's okay, Tania,
880
00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:34,179
that you were only here for the,
in the building for the day.
881
00:45:34,283 --> 00:45:35,629
TANIA HEAD: I worked in the
World Trade Center.
882
00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:37,044
She died, and I didn't.
883
00:45:37,148 --> 00:45:38,908
JANICE: And I just could not
believe what I was hearing.
884
00:45:39,012 --> 00:45:42,118
I was like, I actually, I think
I went into shock.
885
00:45:42,222 --> 00:45:43,154
TANIA HEAD: Why am I special?
886
00:45:44,224 --> 00:45:45,432
Why, why was I spared? Why
didn't they make it?
887
00:45:45,535 --> 00:45:46,260
I was smelling my own skin
burning.
888
00:45:46,364 --> 00:45:47,330
Definitely a love story.
889
00:45:48,435 --> 00:45:48,849
It feels wrong to have walked
out of there alive
890
00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:50,609
when so many people didn't.
891
00:45:50,713 --> 00:45:54,372
[SIRENS]
892
00:45:54,475 --> 00:46:03,657
[MUSIC]
893
00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:07,903
LINDA: Janice called me and
asked me if I was sitting down,
894
00:46:08,006 --> 00:46:09,767
and I said, "Yeah, I'm, I'm just
sitting down.
895
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:11,009
I was and having my cup of
coffee."
896
00:46:11,113 --> 00:46:13,943
It was morning, and she started
telling me
897
00:46:14,047 --> 00:46:18,292
that Tania is not who she said
she was.
898
00:46:18,396 --> 00:46:19,638
JANICE: And she was like, "Oh,
no, come on."
899
00:46:19,742 --> 00:46:20,916
And I said, "Well, this is what
I heard
900
00:46:21,019 --> 00:46:23,021
in the attorney's office,"
901
00:46:23,125 --> 00:46:26,231
and the both of us started
looking things up.
902
00:46:26,335 --> 00:46:28,544
LINDA: She's not a fraud.
903
00:46:28,647 --> 00:46:30,339
She's a person that's hurting.
904
00:46:30,442 --> 00:46:31,616
And she said, "No, Linda."
905
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,965
She goes, "Her name is not what
she's been telling us.
906
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:38,174
There was no husband Dave.
907
00:46:38,278 --> 00:46:41,384
She didn't even have a
relationship with Dave.
908
00:46:41,488 --> 00:46:48,529
We don't even think she was in
the towers that day."
909
00:46:48,633 --> 00:46:51,118
ELIA: When I got the phone call,
910
00:46:51,222 --> 00:46:55,226
I was at work,
911
00:46:55,329 --> 00:46:59,333
and I immediately started
yelling out right in my office,
912
00:46:59,437 --> 00:47:02,543
"What happened? What happened?"
913
00:47:02,647 --> 00:47:06,237
Because I thought she had done
something to herself,
914
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:08,998
and I didn't wanna hear it.
915
00:47:09,102 --> 00:47:15,833
I didn't wanna hear it that she
had done something to herself.
916
00:47:15,936 --> 00:47:19,353
And Linda kept saying, "It's not
what you think.
917
00:47:19,457 --> 00:47:23,288
It's not what you think. It's
not what you think."
918
00:47:23,392 --> 00:47:30,640
And finally, she blurted out the
words,
919
00:47:30,744 --> 00:47:33,160
and I wanted to hang up the
phone.
920
00:47:33,264 --> 00:47:34,782
I wanted to yell at Linda and
say,
921
00:47:34,886 --> 00:47:38,338
"How could you say that?
922
00:47:38,441 --> 00:47:40,892
How could you say that she's a
fraud?"
923
00:47:40,996 --> 00:47:41,997
KATIE COURIC: We end tonight
with a story
924
00:47:43,136 --> 00:47:45,345
that began on 9/11, a story of
tragedy and heroism,
925
00:47:45,448 --> 00:47:47,381
survival and love.
926
00:47:47,485 --> 00:47:48,900
There's just one problem.
927
00:47:49,004 --> 00:47:52,041
As Jeff Glor reports, the story,
repeated many times
928
00:47:52,145 --> 00:47:55,942
in the past six years, may be a
complete fabrication.
929
00:47:56,045 --> 00:47:57,426
FEMALE VOICE #3: Shocked and
stunned.
930
00:47:57,529 --> 00:47:58,289
MALE VOICE #4: The New York
Times
931
00:47:59,186 --> 00:47:59,669
discovered a flood of
discrepancies.
932
00:48:00,843 --> 00:48:01,361
CHRIS WAGGE: A Manhattan woman
is under fire tonight.
933
00:48:02,396 --> 00:48:03,225
DIANE SAWYER: Turning now to a
mysterious story
934
00:48:04,329 --> 00:48:06,573
about a woman and a possible
stunning deception.
935
00:48:06,676 --> 00:48:09,265
MALE VOICE #5: No World Trade
Center job, no fiancé,
936
00:48:09,369 --> 00:48:10,404
no dramatic escape.
937
00:48:10,508 --> 00:48:11,612
MALE VOICE #6: Merrill Lynch,
938
00:48:12,855 --> 00:48:13,580
the financial management company
where she claimed to work,
939
00:48:13,683 --> 00:48:15,340
had no record of her employment.
940
00:48:15,444 --> 00:48:16,790
AMANDA RIPLEY: I was shocked,
you know.
941
00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,688
I couldn't believe it. What
happened here?
942
00:48:18,792 --> 00:48:20,069
Why, why did she do this,
943
00:48:20,173 --> 00:48:22,037
and why did none of us question
her?
944
00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:23,072
JEFF GLOR: There was no evidence
945
00:48:23,176 --> 00:48:24,625
that she made money off her
story,
946
00:48:24,729 --> 00:48:26,041
but she certainly gained fame.
947
00:48:26,144 --> 00:48:27,801
FEMALE VOICE #4: Can we talk to
you for a minute, please?
948
00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:29,630
FEMALE VOICE #5: Head has now
been removed as president
949
00:48:29,734 --> 00:48:33,565
of a 2,000 member organization
of Trade Center survivors.
950
00:48:33,669 --> 00:48:35,395
BRENDAN: The person that we saw
951
00:48:35,498 --> 00:48:37,673
and that we believed in never
existed.
952
00:48:37,776 --> 00:48:40,814
LORI: This was totally shocking,
totally shocking,
953
00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:41,435
because of all the things I
would
954
00:48:42,091 --> 00:48:42,643
ever think about somebody,
955
00:48:43,748 --> 00:48:44,852
that's just not something that I
would think about.
956
00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:46,958
BRENDAN: You're looking at
everyone with suspicion.
957
00:48:47,062 --> 00:48:56,105
If Tania can lie... anybody
could lie.
958
00:48:56,209 --> 00:48:58,694
LORI: Perhaps she's evil.
959
00:48:58,797 --> 00:49:00,454
Perhaps there's some thread of
evil in there.
960
00:49:00,558 --> 00:49:01,869
I don't know.
961
00:49:01,973 --> 00:49:04,251
Evil is not a word that ever
existed in my life
962
00:49:04,355 --> 00:49:07,772
until September 11th, but I know
evil exists,
963
00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,739
and it is possible.
964
00:49:09,843 --> 00:49:13,329
[MUSIC]
965
00:49:13,433 --> 00:49:17,609
LINDA: Tania was my sign that
God was there that day.
966
00:49:17,713 --> 00:49:21,234
I felt like God had protected
her.
967
00:49:21,337 --> 00:49:23,961
Well, God's gonna protect me
also because
968
00:49:24,064 --> 00:49:26,101
she beat the odds that day.
969
00:49:26,204 --> 00:49:28,655
She beat all the odds that day.
970
00:49:28,758 --> 00:49:30,450
So, to have that taken away from
me,
971
00:49:30,553 --> 00:49:38,976
the sign that God was there that
day...
972
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:44,809
...there's a, there's nothing
that she could ever say
973
00:49:44,912 --> 00:49:49,710
to me today or going forward
that will ever change the pain
974
00:49:49,814 --> 00:49:55,130
and the anger, and I'm sorry,
but the hatred that I have
975
00:49:55,233 --> 00:49:58,650
for that woman right now.
976
00:49:58,754 --> 00:50:01,515
I don't have any room in my
heart to find sadness for her.
977
00:50:01,619 --> 00:50:05,485
What she did to me, what she did
to the 9/11 community,
978
00:50:05,588 --> 00:50:09,247
and what she has done to the
families,
979
00:50:09,351 --> 00:50:11,732
I want answers. I want to know.
980
00:50:11,836 --> 00:50:21,777
I wanna know who she is. I need
to find that out.
981
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,815
I wanna know who she is. I need
to find that out.
982
00:50:25,919 --> 00:50:35,860
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
983
00:50:35,963 --> 00:50:45,904
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
984
00:50:45,939 --> 00:50:51,600
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
985
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,949
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
986
00:51:30,708 --> 00:51:40,649
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
987
00:51:40,752 --> 00:51:46,517
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
988
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:55,422
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
989
00:51:55,526 --> 00:51:58,322
JANICE: She didn't hurt anyone
physically.
990
00:51:58,425 --> 00:52:00,634
She didn't sign any documents.
991
00:52:00,738 --> 00:52:05,950
She did not do anything what we
would say is illegal.
992
00:52:06,053 --> 00:52:07,814
GERRY BOGACZ: It is true that
Tania never stole
993
00:52:07,917 --> 00:52:10,748
any money from the, she never
made any money
994
00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:12,163
from this involvement.
995
00:52:12,267 --> 00:52:14,890
I don't think money was what her
objective was, frankly.
996
00:52:14,993 --> 00:52:17,755
LORI: Why she's done this has
been,
997
00:52:17,858 --> 00:52:20,137
everybody wonders that.
998
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,449
Myself, I don't know.
999
00:52:22,553 --> 00:52:23,381
AMANDA RIPLEY: I think after
9/11,
1000
00:52:23,485 --> 00:52:26,315
we all wanted to have a piece of
it.
1001
00:52:26,419 --> 00:52:28,352
I mean, I think if we're being
honest with ourselves,
1002
00:52:28,455 --> 00:52:32,183
there was a really human, strong
desire to,
1003
00:52:32,287 --> 00:52:36,843
to not only give back and try to
help
1004
00:52:36,946 --> 00:52:41,710
but also to connect to it in
some fundamental way.
1005
00:52:41,813 --> 00:52:43,125
MARIAN FONTANA: Well, I think a
lot of people used 9/11
1006
00:52:43,229 --> 00:52:44,230
to heal themselves.
1007
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:46,887
I mean, I think 9/11 became,
oddly,
1008
00:52:46,991 --> 00:52:49,580
a religion for some people, you
know.
1009
00:52:49,683 --> 00:52:51,271
It was a way to belong.
1010
00:52:51,375 --> 00:52:54,930
It was a way to be part of
something bigger than
themselves.
1011
00:52:55,033 --> 00:53:00,004
ALICE GREENWALD: For some people
who need either some kind
1012
00:53:00,107 --> 00:53:05,182
of identity or some kind of
notoriety or visibility,
1013
00:53:05,285 --> 00:53:08,288
this became a way, in Tania's
case, I would guess,
1014
00:53:08,392 --> 00:53:11,774
I don't know for sure, but for
her to feel needed.
1015
00:53:11,878 --> 00:53:13,638
MARIAN FONTANA: I think, you
know, my, my friends
1016
00:53:13,742 --> 00:53:16,848
who are widows were like, "Why
would she wanna be us?"
1017
00:53:16,952 --> 00:53:19,713
You know, "Why would you want to
be us?"
1018
00:53:19,817 --> 00:53:23,338
And, you know, having known what
we've suffered,
1019
00:53:23,441 --> 00:53:25,547
it, you know, that was to all of
us
1020
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:30,517
a very normal response to have.
1021
00:53:30,621 --> 00:53:37,075
[MUSIC]
1022
00:53:37,179 --> 00:53:47,120
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
1023
00:53:47,224 --> 00:54:00,409
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
1024
00:54:00,513 --> 00:54:07,244
[MUSIC]
1025
00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:17,288
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
1026
00:54:17,392 --> 00:54:27,333
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
1027
00:54:27,367 --> 00:54:34,961
SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH]
1028
00:54:35,064 --> 00:54:42,624
[MUSIC]
1029
00:54:42,727 --> 00:54:52,668
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
1030
00:54:52,772 --> 00:55:02,713
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
1031
00:55:02,747 --> 00:55:11,963
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
1032
00:55:12,067 --> 00:55:13,827
[APPLAUSE]
1033
00:55:13,931 --> 00:55:23,250
FEMALE ANNOUNCER: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
1034
00:55:23,354 --> 00:55:28,842
Alicia Esteve Head.
1035
00:55:28,946 --> 00:55:31,535
[MUSIC]
1036
00:55:31,638 --> 00:55:32,812
LORI: You know, when I think
about what Tania
1037
00:55:32,915 --> 00:55:36,609
was doing on 9/11, 2001,
1038
00:55:36,712 --> 00:55:40,889
she probably was just having a
regular day in Barcelona,
1039
00:55:40,992 --> 00:55:43,167
you know, getting up like
everyone else.
1040
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:45,342
You know, someone made some form
of an announcement
1041
00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:48,931
that there's a terrorist attack
going on in Manhattan.
1042
00:55:49,035 --> 00:55:52,349
[MUSIC]
1043
00:55:52,452 --> 00:55:54,316
BRENDAN: From what I can tell,
she had never been
1044
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:57,561
in the World Trade Center.
1045
00:55:57,664 --> 00:55:59,563
It's obvious she did her
research on Dave,
1046
00:55:59,666 --> 00:56:02,359
whom she had never met.
1047
00:56:02,462 --> 00:56:05,189
I mean, she knows where her
company was located.
1048
00:56:05,292 --> 00:56:09,849
So, she probably did her
research on us.
1049
00:56:09,952 --> 00:56:12,576
She was probably just watching
us and trying to see
1050
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:14,750
what we were talking about and
how we felt,
1051
00:56:14,854 --> 00:56:17,546
and she adopted the personality.
1052
00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:20,238
You know, she knew how survivors
felt
1053
00:56:20,342 --> 00:56:21,861
after going through something
like that,
1054
00:56:21,964 --> 00:56:23,828
and she became one of us.
1055
00:56:23,932 --> 00:56:32,389
[MUSIC]
1056
00:56:32,492 --> 00:56:33,562
BRENDAN: We didn't know much
about
1057
00:56:33,666 --> 00:56:36,979
her present life at the time.
1058
00:56:37,083 --> 00:56:40,362
ELIA: It would have been
actually cruel
1059
00:56:40,466 --> 00:56:45,609
for any one of us to question
her on anything.
1060
00:56:45,712 --> 00:56:48,266
It would have been downright
cruel.
1061
00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:51,684
[MUSIC]
1062
00:56:51,787 --> 00:56:53,582
BRENDAN: I mean, she mentions
working for Merrill Lynch
1063
00:56:53,686 --> 00:56:57,310
and in this financial think tank
that she told us about,
1064
00:56:57,414 --> 00:56:59,623
but we had never been to her
office.
1065
00:56:59,726 --> 00:57:01,901
We had never met any of her
co-workers,
1066
00:57:02,004 --> 00:57:03,247
and from what I understand,
1067
00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:07,078
she would actually rent office
space to meet people,
1068
00:57:07,182 --> 00:57:09,184
and nobody ever questioned it.
1069
00:57:09,287 --> 00:57:14,085
[MUSIC]
1070
00:57:14,189 --> 00:57:15,846
BRENDAN: Tania, to give her a
compliment,
1071
00:57:15,949 --> 00:57:18,573
she's the best liar I've ever
met.
1072
00:57:18,676 --> 00:57:22,231
I mean, she was so good at
staying on her story
1073
00:57:22,335 --> 00:57:25,442
that I really didn't notice any
inconsistencies
1074
00:57:25,545 --> 00:57:28,134
until I knew her for a couple of
years.
1075
00:57:28,237 --> 00:57:31,965
ELIA: Had we actually compared
notes like we do now,
1076
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:35,313
we would have realized something
was wrong.
1077
00:57:35,417 --> 00:57:38,834
LINDA: She told me that she lost
her wedding ring in,
1078
00:57:38,938 --> 00:57:41,768
on September 11th and that
Tiffany's had replaced
1079
00:57:41,872 --> 00:57:44,115
the wedding ring that she had
lost.
1080
00:57:44,219 --> 00:57:45,979
GERRY BOGACZ: There were
references to her fiancé
1081
00:57:46,083 --> 00:57:49,880
that, that changed from fiancé
to husband back to fiancé.
1082
00:57:49,983 --> 00:57:53,228
RICHARD She even promised the
Crowthers that she
1083
00:57:53,331 --> 00:57:56,334
had saved a piece of her burnt
clothing and would put it
1084
00:57:56,438 --> 00:57:58,198
in a plaque and give it to them.
1085
00:57:58,302 --> 00:58:00,511
LINDA: She told me on the day
that her brother died
1086
00:58:00,615 --> 00:58:04,757
that his wife had a baby on the
same day,
1087
00:58:04,860 --> 00:58:07,000
and they named the baby, Dave.
1088
00:58:07,104 --> 00:58:17,045
[MUSIC]
1089
00:58:17,148 --> 00:58:26,848
[MUSIC]
1090
00:58:26,951 --> 00:58:31,715
ELIA: I remember I was in her
apartment one time,
1091
00:58:31,818 --> 00:58:34,649
and she always talked about her
dog, Elvis,
1092
00:58:34,752 --> 00:58:37,272
and her dog, Elvis, and her old
dog, Elvis.
1093
00:58:37,375 --> 00:58:39,930
And one of the times that I was
in her apartment, I said,
1094
00:58:40,033 --> 00:58:43,796
"Where's your dog? I never see
your dog."
1095
00:58:43,899 --> 00:58:47,282
And she would always have the
same answer.
1096
00:58:47,385 --> 00:58:51,700
"Uh, Lupe is walking him."
1097
00:58:51,804 --> 00:58:53,150
And I remember one day I said,
1098
00:58:53,253 --> 00:58:56,671
"Boy, that dog gets walked a
lot. [Laughing]
1099
00:58:56,774 --> 00:58:58,086
That's the most walked dog.
1100
00:58:58,189 --> 00:59:00,191
I mean, that dog must love Lupe
1101
00:59:00,295 --> 00:59:02,953
because she's always walking
him."
1102
00:59:03,056 --> 00:59:05,093
But one day, I went into the
apartment,
1103
00:59:05,196 --> 00:59:09,131
and I asked her, "Where's,
where's your dog?
1104
00:59:09,235 --> 00:59:10,270
I wanna see your dog."
1105
00:59:10,374 --> 00:59:12,514
And she said, "Oh, you know,
Lupe's walking him."
1106
00:59:12,618 --> 00:59:15,068
And I said,
1107
00:59:15,172 --> 00:59:19,107
"Tania, do you or don't you have
a dog?"
1108
00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:22,041
I got right in her face because
it bothered me
1109
00:59:22,144 --> 00:59:23,490
that I couldn't, I love dogs,
1110
00:59:23,594 --> 00:59:26,217
so, it bothered me that I
couldn't see the dog.
1111
00:59:26,321 --> 00:59:27,909
And she just looked at me and
went,
1112
00:59:28,012 --> 00:59:31,775
"Oh, yeah, of course I have a
dog."
1113
00:59:31,878 --> 00:59:38,540
[MUSIC AND BIRDS]
1114
00:59:38,644 --> 00:59:48,585
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
1115
00:59:48,688 --> 00:59:55,695
MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN
SPANISH]
1116
00:59:55,799 --> 01:00:02,253
[MUSIC]
1117
01:00:02,357 --> 01:00:05,325
BRENDAN: After The Times
article, she disappeared,
1118
01:00:05,429 --> 01:00:07,604
and I don't know if it's because
she actually
1119
01:00:07,707 --> 01:00:11,504
just left the country or if
she's just been hiding well,
1120
01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:13,920
but really, none of us have had
any contact
1121
01:00:14,024 --> 01:00:15,370
with her since then.
1122
01:00:15,473 --> 01:00:16,992
ELIA: The other thing she did
was she wrote me an email
1123
01:00:17,096 --> 01:00:21,618
and said, "Hello." That's it.
1124
01:00:21,721 --> 01:00:26,933
I saw that as her way of opening
up a line of communication.
1125
01:00:27,037 --> 01:00:36,460
I just deleted the email, and
that was it.
1126
01:00:36,563 --> 01:00:41,361
ELIA: There had to be some sort
of recognition
1127
01:00:41,465 --> 01:00:43,640
that she was doing something
wrong,
1128
01:00:43,743 --> 01:00:51,544
and, um, and she was deviant in,
in, in that way,
1129
01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:54,823
but that is only something that
we see now.
1130
01:00:54,927 --> 01:00:56,963
That's something that we
couldn't see then.
1131
01:00:57,067 --> 01:01:09,010
[MUSIC]
1132
01:01:09,113 --> 01:01:10,390
MALE POLICE OFFICER: Go across
the street.
1133
01:01:10,494 --> 01:01:11,806
LINDA: Right over here at this
light.
1134
01:01:13,290 --> 01:01:13,324
MALE POLICE OFFICER: See those
two ladies with the two orange
hats?
1135
01:01:13,739 --> 01:01:14,567
LINDA: Yes.
1136
01:01:15,844 --> 01:01:15,879
MALE POLICE OFFICER: You're
gonna tell them you're family,
1137
01:01:16,465 --> 01:01:16,500
family members, right?
1138
01:01:17,466 --> 01:01:17,570
LINDA: Well, we're actually all
survivors,
1139
01:01:18,157 --> 01:01:19,434
let me tell you, yeah.
1140
01:01:19,537 --> 01:01:20,573
MALE POLICE OFFICER: So, you let
them know,
1141
01:01:20,677 --> 01:01:21,988
and they'll let you in so you
can go inside,
1142
01:01:22,092 --> 01:01:22,609
all right, ma'am?
1143
01:01:22,713 --> 01:01:23,680
LINDA: Thank you.
1144
01:01:23,783 --> 01:01:26,303
So, follow me, guys.
1145
01:01:26,406 --> 01:01:28,961
No pushing, no shoving. [Laughs]
1146
01:01:29,064 --> 01:01:34,691
[MUSIC]
1147
01:01:34,794 --> 01:01:36,451
JANICE: I just hope that she
really does get
1148
01:01:36,554 --> 01:01:39,316
the help she needs and that she
can live a full life.
1149
01:01:39,419 --> 01:01:40,662
She's a smart woman.
1150
01:01:40,766 --> 01:01:42,940
She's talented, and she can
offer
1151
01:01:43,044 --> 01:01:45,322
a lot of great stuff in this
world.
1152
01:01:45,425 --> 01:01:46,703
So, forgiveness, yeah.
1153
01:01:46,806 --> 01:01:49,084
This, there, I absolutely
forgive her.
1154
01:01:49,188 --> 01:01:54,262
BRENDAN: I know we should
forgive, but I don't know.
1155
01:01:54,365 --> 01:01:56,126
It, it would really take a lot.
1156
01:01:56,229 --> 01:01:58,473
I, I don't think I could ever do
it.
1157
01:01:58,576 --> 01:02:02,201
I, I just, I just feel that
hurt, that wronged.
1158
01:02:02,304 --> 01:02:07,758
[MUSIC]
1159
01:02:07,862 --> 01:02:09,518
ALISON CROWTHER: She was a
troubled person.
1160
01:02:09,622 --> 01:02:12,314
There were issues that drove her
to do this.
1161
01:02:12,418 --> 01:02:18,527
And because she was not
functioning in a normal way,
1162
01:02:18,631 --> 01:02:22,083
how can you hold, you know, not
forgive someone like that?
1163
01:02:22,186 --> 01:02:26,328
[MUSIC]
1164
01:02:26,432 --> 01:02:29,504
GERRY BOGACZ: She's never
apologized.
1165
01:02:29,607 --> 01:02:32,438
This is all a great mystery, and
it's, it is what it is,
1166
01:02:32,541 --> 01:02:36,891
and, and it's not gonna affect
my life any longer.
1167
01:02:36,994 --> 01:02:41,861
ELIA: I've already forgiven her.
1168
01:02:41,965 --> 01:02:48,247
Holding onto all the feelings
that I had
1169
01:02:48,350 --> 01:02:51,595
once I found out that she had
lied to us is
1170
01:02:51,698 --> 01:02:57,049
not gonna take me anywhere where
I wanna go.
1171
01:02:57,152 --> 01:02:59,948
We'll get through it. You know
that?
1172
01:03:00,052 --> 01:03:05,540
We'll get through it. You know
that.
1173
01:03:05,643 --> 01:03:06,506
LINDA: All the things that I was
doing this year
1174
01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:09,613
putting this together, I was
thinking,
1175
01:03:09,716 --> 01:03:11,684
"Where's Tania when you need
her?"
1176
01:03:11,788 --> 01:03:12,892
You know what I mean?
1177
01:03:14,169 --> 01:03:16,344
And it just made me feel even
more upset because I'm like,
1178
01:03:16,447 --> 01:03:23,800
"I miss her." I really, I miss
her.
1179
01:03:23,903 --> 01:03:26,319
You know, I, I miss it like I
miss life
1180
01:03:26,423 --> 01:03:27,424
back on September 10th.
1181
01:03:27,527 --> 01:03:28,943
I miss, I miss that.
1182
01:03:29,046 --> 01:03:32,084
I miss, I miss the what was.
1183
01:03:32,187 --> 01:03:36,502
I miss the what could have been.
1184
01:03:36,605 --> 01:03:38,953
That's what I miss.
1185
01:03:39,056 --> 01:03:43,056
[MUSIC]
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