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I, I said that I was just about to go into the, 8 00:00:41,489 --> 00:00:43,560 into a meeting, and that I couldn't, I couldn't do it, 9 00:00:43,664 --> 00:00:46,701 and I said, "I love you and talk to you later." 10 00:00:46,805 --> 00:00:51,085 And that was the last time I, I ever spoke to him. 11 00:00:51,189 --> 00:01:03,442 [MUSIC] 12 00:01:03,546 --> 00:01:05,375 TANIA HEAD: It was amazing, and you know, 13 00:01:05,479 --> 00:01:08,861 it was that kind of crazy love story where we would finish 14 00:01:08,965 --> 00:01:11,140 each other's sentences... 15 00:01:11,243 --> 00:01:17,939 [MUSIC] 16 00:01:18,043 --> 00:01:19,079 TANIA HEAD: We were so alike, 17 00:01:19,182 --> 00:01:21,011 like but some people say opposites attract, 18 00:01:21,115 --> 00:01:22,082 but for me, it was different. 19 00:01:22,185 --> 00:01:26,879 It was like he and I were almost the same person. 20 00:01:26,983 --> 00:01:31,298 [MUSIC] 21 00:01:31,401 --> 00:01:33,679 TANIA HEAD: Sometimes he was explosive, but it was, 22 00:01:33,783 --> 00:01:37,131 it was definitely a love story. 23 00:01:37,235 --> 00:01:44,552 [MUSIC] 24 00:01:44,656 --> 00:01:46,968 TANIA HEAD: That day, I didn't just lose Dave. 25 00:01:47,072 --> 00:01:50,558 I lost myself. 26 00:01:50,662 --> 00:02:00,741 [MUSIC] 27 00:02:00,844 --> 00:02:07,920 [WIND] 28 00:02:08,024 --> 00:02:12,718 [CROWD TALKING] 29 00:02:12,822 --> 00:02:13,719 LORI: How are you? 30 00:02:14,755 --> 00:02:15,687 MALE VOICE #1: I get hot when they do this. 31 00:02:15,790 --> 00:02:17,067 FEMALE VOICE #1: We have like... 32 00:02:17,171 --> 00:02:21,969 FEMALE VOICE #2 I don't know, eight? Eight left? 33 00:02:22,072 --> 00:02:23,833 TANIA HEAD: It's the morning of September 11th, 34 00:02:23,936 --> 00:02:27,388 and we're all gonna go to the official ceremony at the site, 35 00:02:27,492 --> 00:02:32,324 and we hope to make it there by the first moment of silence at 8:46. 36 00:02:32,428 --> 00:02:34,154 It's one of the hardest experiences of my life 37 00:02:34,257 --> 00:02:37,743 to go down that ramp every anniversary, 38 00:02:37,847 --> 00:02:39,849 but I do it for Dave because I, I knew he, 39 00:02:39,952 --> 00:02:43,611 he wants me to be there, but let me show you something. 40 00:02:43,715 --> 00:02:50,756 [Giggles & rustling paper] 41 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:53,621 Dave and I met outside the World Trade Center 42 00:02:53,725 --> 00:02:55,036 when he stole my cab. 43 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:56,728 So, every year when I go to the site, 44 00:02:56,831 --> 00:02:58,971 I bring a New York City cab with me, 45 00:02:59,075 --> 00:03:03,493 and I put it in the reflection pool 46 00:03:03,597 --> 00:03:08,395 so that he knows that I remember that day. 47 00:03:08,498 --> 00:03:18,612 [Bell chimes] 48 00:03:18,715 --> 00:03:28,656 [MUSIC] 49 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:37,009 [MUSIC] 50 00:03:37,113 --> 00:03:39,080 TANIA HEAD: Some of my co-workers had families, 51 00:03:39,184 --> 00:03:41,497 they that had little kids, and they died, and I didn't. 52 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,223 So, why? 53 00:03:43,326 --> 00:03:45,570 Why? Why am I special? Why, why was I spared? 54 00:03:45,673 --> 00:03:50,160 Why didn't they make it? Why was, why did I make it? 55 00:03:50,264 --> 00:03:51,990 Was it God? Was it faith? 56 00:03:52,093 --> 00:03:53,992 Was it because we have something to do? 57 00:03:54,095 --> 00:03:56,788 Was it because we were sheltered by the elevator machinery? 58 00:03:56,891 --> 00:03:58,652 It just makes you go crazy. 59 00:03:58,755 --> 00:04:06,246 You go crazy asking yourself why, why, why? 60 00:04:06,349 --> 00:04:08,144 ELIA: People kept saying how blessed I was, 61 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,457 and I didn't feel blessed at all. 62 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,598 I felt like it was a curse. 63 00:04:13,701 --> 00:04:16,325 Survivor guilt made me feel that, 64 00:04:16,428 --> 00:04:19,397 made me actually go from the question, 65 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:21,640 "Why did I survive?" 66 00:04:21,744 --> 00:04:24,850 to "Why did I have to survive?" 67 00:04:24,954 --> 00:04:26,542 GERRY BOGACZ: I don't know how to describe it. 68 00:04:26,645 --> 00:04:29,130 It, it's sort of a pain in my, in my, my, gut, you know, 69 00:04:29,234 --> 00:04:33,065 and I remember actually doubling over realizing, 70 00:04:33,169 --> 00:04:36,310 "Oh, my God, those three people were all on my side, 71 00:04:36,414 --> 00:04:38,450 and I didn't get them out." 72 00:04:38,554 --> 00:04:40,590 BRENDAN: It's so hard to get past being alive 73 00:04:40,694 --> 00:04:43,593 when all these people aren't, and I've had people say to me, 74 00:04:43,697 --> 00:04:45,146 you know, "Oh, you're so lucky. 75 00:04:45,250 --> 00:04:47,045 You got out of there. You must feel great." 76 00:04:47,148 --> 00:04:49,254 You don't. 77 00:04:49,358 --> 00:04:54,190 [Massive fire sounds] 78 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:57,366 I woke up thinking about 9/11, went to bed thinking about it, 79 00:04:57,469 --> 00:05:01,335 dreamed about it, just couldn't get out of it. 80 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:04,821 I mean, I just kept replaying that day over and over 81 00:05:04,925 --> 00:05:09,619 and over again. 82 00:05:09,723 --> 00:05:13,209 Before I met Tania, I had talked to, you know, 83 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:15,556 a couple of professional people, 84 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:17,765 and it really wasn't helping me. 85 00:05:17,869 --> 00:05:19,526 I searched online, 86 00:05:19,629 --> 00:05:23,978 and I joined the support group that they had for survivors. 87 00:05:24,082 --> 00:05:26,809 TANIA HEAD: We started as an online peer support group 88 00:05:26,912 --> 00:05:28,569 where you could go into a Yahoo group 89 00:05:28,673 --> 00:05:31,296 and connect to other survivors 24 hours a day. 90 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,367 So, one day, you were having a bad day, 91 00:05:33,471 --> 00:05:36,163 and you would post it online, and within 30 minutes, 92 00:05:36,266 --> 00:05:38,510 you'd get 40 replies of people saying, 93 00:05:38,614 --> 00:05:40,823 "I know what you feel," you know. 94 00:05:40,926 --> 00:05:42,721 "It's okay to have those feelings. 95 00:05:42,825 --> 00:05:44,033 I'm here for you. 96 00:05:44,136 --> 00:05:45,759 Just call me. Anything you need." 97 00:05:45,862 --> 00:05:49,141 LORI: Many people were having economic problems, 98 00:05:49,245 --> 00:05:57,736 health problems, just a lot of that sense of parallel reality 99 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,912 that people were heavily living through, and I think, 100 00:06:01,015 --> 00:06:04,364 to a large degree, still do, and I think it was just, 101 00:06:04,467 --> 00:06:05,779 just being with other people 102 00:06:05,882 --> 00:06:09,438 and talking about this stuff helped. 103 00:06:09,541 --> 00:06:11,612 BRENDAN: I had many conversations with Tania, 104 00:06:11,716 --> 00:06:13,959 just one-on-one conversations, 105 00:06:14,063 --> 00:06:18,343 but she gave me a lot of support like nobody else had. 106 00:06:18,447 --> 00:06:21,035 ELIA: I admired her from the very beginning 107 00:06:21,139 --> 00:06:25,385 how strong she seemed, and at the same time, 108 00:06:25,488 --> 00:06:27,663 once I started to get to know her, 109 00:06:27,766 --> 00:06:30,976 then I realized this whole strength thing that she shows 110 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,771 is really a facade. 111 00:06:32,875 --> 00:06:34,532 She's really in pain. 112 00:06:34,635 --> 00:06:38,639 She's, she was, she seemed to be really in pain, um, 113 00:06:38,743 --> 00:06:41,297 and really, really distraught, and, and I, and I said, 114 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,575 "Well, of course. 115 00:06:43,679 --> 00:06:46,267 How could she not be?" 116 00:06:46,371 --> 00:06:53,274 [MUSIC] 117 00:06:53,378 --> 00:06:55,484 BRENDAN: When I first heard Tania's story, 118 00:06:55,587 --> 00:06:58,418 she did not talk about it much, and then one day, 119 00:06:58,521 --> 00:07:01,179 she just wrote it out in its entirety, 120 00:07:01,282 --> 00:07:02,836 and it blew me away. 121 00:07:02,939 --> 00:07:05,770 I mean, you know, we had all been through horrible things, 122 00:07:05,873 --> 00:07:09,532 but Tania's was just, just head and shoulders 123 00:07:09,636 --> 00:07:12,535 above anything else that any of us had gone through. 124 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:19,300 [Police radio] 125 00:07:19,404 --> 00:07:21,302 TANIA HEAD: I started seeing these flames, and I was like, 126 00:07:21,406 --> 00:07:23,443 "Something's happening in the other tower." 127 00:07:23,546 --> 00:07:25,721 And I, I started thinking about Dave right away. 128 00:07:25,824 --> 00:07:29,138 I, I, the first thing I did was starting to count floors 129 00:07:29,241 --> 00:07:31,692 down from, from the top. 130 00:07:31,796 --> 00:07:33,038 He was on the hundredth floor, and I was like, 131 00:07:33,142 --> 00:07:39,044 "Oh, my God, his floor is one of the floors that has been hit." 132 00:07:39,148 --> 00:07:43,152 A woman started screaming, "There's another plane coming. 133 00:07:43,255 --> 00:07:44,602 There's another plane coming." 134 00:07:44,705 --> 00:07:48,502 [Plane engine & breaking glass] 135 00:07:48,606 --> 00:07:54,784 [Explosion & fire] 136 00:07:54,888 --> 00:07:57,407 The first thing I felt was, 137 00:07:57,511 --> 00:08:00,100 was the, the air was sucked out of my lungs like a, 138 00:08:00,203 --> 00:08:01,998 like a change in pressure. 139 00:08:02,102 --> 00:08:03,344 I, then I was flying. 140 00:08:03,448 --> 00:08:05,243 I was flying through the air from the impact. 141 00:08:05,346 --> 00:08:08,764 I was just flying. 142 00:08:08,867 --> 00:08:11,491 I remember very well the pain of hitting the wall, 143 00:08:11,594 --> 00:08:14,494 the marble wall, and then I, 144 00:08:14,597 --> 00:08:17,013 then I remember the warmth from, 145 00:08:17,117 --> 00:08:24,504 from the explosion, and then I passed out. 146 00:08:24,607 --> 00:08:31,338 [Fire sounds] 147 00:08:31,441 --> 00:08:35,100 My back was, was on fire and my arm, and I was, 148 00:08:35,204 --> 00:08:41,728 I was smelling my own skin burning. 149 00:08:41,831 --> 00:08:45,145 I remember Welles Crowder, the man with the red bandanna. 150 00:08:45,248 --> 00:08:47,388 He had some type of cloth, 151 00:08:47,492 --> 00:08:51,945 and I felt him use that to, to put the flames out, 152 00:08:52,048 --> 00:08:56,984 and um, he hugged me, and he said, um, 153 00:08:57,088 --> 00:09:02,611 "Just stay awake. Stay awake. Help is coming." 154 00:09:02,714 --> 00:09:08,617 [MUSIC] 155 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,378 I was, I was in the hospital until Thanksgiving, 156 00:09:11,481 --> 00:09:14,450 November, 2001, and my back was really burned 157 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:16,072 and my arm was burned and I couldn't walk. 158 00:09:16,176 --> 00:09:17,522 So, I was in a wheelchair. 159 00:09:17,626 --> 00:09:20,007 I couldn't even pull myself on the wheelchair 160 00:09:20,111 --> 00:09:22,354 because I only had one good arm. [Laughs] 161 00:09:22,458 --> 00:09:24,840 So, you know, between the wheelchair, the trauma, 162 00:09:24,943 --> 00:09:27,187 the loss, I, I didn't know where to start. 163 00:09:27,290 --> 00:09:28,395 It was just too hard. 164 00:09:28,498 --> 00:09:30,431 It was like looking at a mountain 165 00:09:30,535 --> 00:09:34,090 that was 20,000 feet tall. 166 00:09:34,194 --> 00:09:44,135 [MUSIC] 167 00:09:44,238 --> 00:09:53,385 [MUSIC] 168 00:09:53,489 --> 00:09:55,422 BRENDAN: My story was so insignificant 169 00:09:55,525 --> 00:09:57,597 to what she went through that my first reaction 170 00:09:57,700 --> 00:09:59,564 writing to her was, "That's horrible," 171 00:09:59,668 --> 00:10:01,462 and, "I don't belong in this group," 172 00:10:01,566 --> 00:10:04,914 and a lot of people wrote that, and she was very supportive, 173 00:10:05,018 --> 00:10:06,813 saying, "No, you do. 174 00:10:06,916 --> 00:10:11,507 You know, what we all went through was equally important." 175 00:10:11,611 --> 00:10:15,407 ELIA: She was fabulous. 176 00:10:15,511 --> 00:10:18,169 Here's this person who went through so much 177 00:10:18,272 --> 00:10:21,241 that who in the world could possibly survive this, 178 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:23,657 yet she's a survivor. 179 00:10:23,761 --> 00:10:26,971 Here she is. She's a survivor! 180 00:10:27,074 --> 00:10:29,698 [MUSIC] 181 00:10:29,801 --> 00:10:32,390 TANIA HEAD: I think you find that by talking to other people 182 00:10:32,493 --> 00:10:35,220 and helping others, getting involved, 183 00:10:35,324 --> 00:10:38,120 it helps carry your own burden, 184 00:10:38,223 --> 00:10:40,467 and I think that's how you mask it. 185 00:10:40,570 --> 00:10:43,850 You, you kind of, um hide your pain 186 00:10:43,953 --> 00:10:47,198 by getting involved helping others. 187 00:10:47,301 --> 00:10:57,242 [MUSIC] 188 00:10:57,346 --> 00:11:05,492 [MUSIC] 189 00:11:05,595 --> 00:11:07,839 GERRY BOGACZ: I became aware of Tania, 190 00:11:07,943 --> 00:11:13,603 and I was very curious as to how she got through all that. 191 00:11:13,707 --> 00:11:18,919 It was a story that pulled you in, obviously. 192 00:11:19,023 --> 00:11:24,235 But I did notice that her arm was, looked like it had been, 193 00:11:24,338 --> 00:11:26,064 I don't know, it almost looked like skin grafts 194 00:11:26,168 --> 00:11:28,791 on her right arm, 195 00:11:28,895 --> 00:11:33,589 and I remember thinking that it didn't look like 196 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:40,803 it had been burned. 197 00:11:40,907 --> 00:11:43,530 GERRY BOGACZ: I had felt mad at myself for even thinking 198 00:11:43,633 --> 00:11:46,533 that there was something amiss, 199 00:11:46,636 --> 00:11:48,708 but I often wonder why I was even asking the question. 200 00:11:56,785 --> 00:11:56,819 [MUSIC] 201 00:11:57,855 --> 00:11:59,132 GERRY BOGACZ: I first encountered Tania Head 202 00:11:59,235 --> 00:12:00,616 on the Internet group. 203 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,031 We began having an email conversation, 204 00:12:02,135 --> 00:12:03,723 and she shared her story with me, 205 00:12:03,826 --> 00:12:05,103 and I shared my story with her, 206 00:12:05,207 --> 00:12:07,830 which is kind of normal for survivors to do. 207 00:12:07,934 --> 00:12:10,902 I was struck by how dramatic her story was. 208 00:12:11,006 --> 00:12:13,249 GERRY BOGACZ: It was pervasive. 209 00:12:13,353 --> 00:12:17,737 It was this idea of this person who had gone through so much, 210 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,084 and, and people try to protect her a lot, 211 00:12:20,187 --> 00:12:22,224 and I think I probably had a protective feeling 212 00:12:22,327 --> 00:12:24,260 right from the start. 213 00:12:24,364 --> 00:12:26,193 TANIA HEAD: I had met Gerry Bogacz, 214 00:12:26,297 --> 00:12:28,644 and Gerry was also meeting with survivors. 215 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:31,129 He had started having dinner with people in his office 216 00:12:31,233 --> 00:12:33,614 who were interested in meeting and discussing 217 00:12:33,718 --> 00:12:35,685 their September 11th experience. 218 00:12:35,789 --> 00:12:38,033 GERRY BOGACZ: I had the idea for the Survivors' Network because, 219 00:12:38,136 --> 00:12:41,484 again, I had this feeling of having a hole I needed to fill 220 00:12:41,588 --> 00:12:44,764 about 9/11 in me. 221 00:12:44,867 --> 00:12:46,973 I suggested that she come to a meeting 222 00:12:47,076 --> 00:12:48,837 of the Survivors' Network as a way of bringing, 223 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:50,977 bringing these two groups together, 224 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,221 and that was the first time I had met her in person. 225 00:12:54,325 --> 00:12:58,812 [MUSIC] 226 00:12:58,916 --> 00:13:01,263 TANIA HEAD: We ended up going for coffee that same day, 227 00:13:01,366 --> 00:13:03,921 and we started to unite forces, 228 00:13:04,024 --> 00:13:09,547 and we formed the World Trade Center Survivors' Network. 229 00:13:09,650 --> 00:13:12,653 I was driven. I'd been working non-stop. 230 00:13:12,757 --> 00:13:16,623 I'd been working at my work, for, for my work. 231 00:13:16,726 --> 00:13:18,556 I'd been working for the Survivors' Network, for the, 232 00:13:18,659 --> 00:13:21,214 for Dave's foundation, for the widows' group. 233 00:13:21,317 --> 00:13:23,906 I mean, I had just been working 24 hours a day 234 00:13:24,010 --> 00:13:25,908 non-stop for different things, 235 00:13:26,012 --> 00:13:28,255 and that's how my anger was channeled 236 00:13:28,359 --> 00:13:30,119 because of this obsession that I had to, 237 00:13:30,223 --> 00:13:34,123 to really not be like the hijackers. 238 00:13:34,227 --> 00:13:45,686 [MUSIC] 239 00:13:45,790 --> 00:13:47,481 MARIAN FONTANA: I think Tania's presence 240 00:13:47,585 --> 00:13:50,622 made the docent program that we had envisioned possible. 241 00:13:50,726 --> 00:13:55,110 Her story kind of fit into that kind of all-encompassing 242 00:13:55,213 --> 00:13:58,113 survivor and a hero and, you know, a widow 243 00:13:58,216 --> 00:14:02,842 and everything that kind of 9/11 came to represent on that day. 244 00:14:02,945 --> 00:14:05,465 So, her story was incredible. 245 00:14:05,568 --> 00:14:08,848 ALICE GREENWALD: I would call her just an energetic booster 246 00:14:08,951 --> 00:14:10,953 for the needs of the survivor community. 247 00:14:11,057 --> 00:14:15,095 She genuinely wanted recognition for the Survivor Network 248 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:18,547 and the survivor community to recognize not only 249 00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:20,998 what they had gone through and attest to that, 250 00:14:21,101 --> 00:14:25,105 but to provide a venue for them to feel like this is theirs. 251 00:14:25,209 --> 00:14:27,176 TANIA HEAD: And from there, I started going down on my own. 252 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,316 I've seen Sting, because I love Sting. 253 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:31,042 GERRY BOGACZ: We didn't have access to the site, 254 00:14:31,146 --> 00:14:34,804 so that initial ability to actually go into the site was, 255 00:14:34,908 --> 00:14:36,530 was a very powerful experience, 256 00:14:36,634 --> 00:14:39,154 and it was very much appreciated that Tania 257 00:14:39,257 --> 00:14:42,433 was able to make those arrangements. 258 00:14:42,536 --> 00:14:44,884 JANICE: It was amazing that she survived. 259 00:14:44,987 --> 00:14:47,093 So, you were just thankful, you know, to look at her 260 00:14:47,196 --> 00:14:49,647 and see people recover and heal 261 00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:52,236 and do amazing stuff with their life. 262 00:14:52,339 --> 00:14:54,238 RICHARD: She had a tremendous sense of humor 263 00:14:54,341 --> 00:14:56,896 and laughed a lot [Laughter] 264 00:14:56,999 --> 00:14:59,450 and always wanted to plan another event 265 00:14:59,553 --> 00:15:01,486 and do important things, 266 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:06,077 and one couldn't help but be drawn into that. 267 00:15:06,181 --> 00:15:07,458 RUDY GIULIANI: Tania, you did a great job. 268 00:15:07,561 --> 00:15:09,080 TANIA HEAD: Thank you. 269 00:15:09,184 --> 00:15:19,608 [MUSIC] 270 00:15:19,711 --> 00:15:20,989 MALE IN GREY COAT: Are you comfortable? 271 00:15:21,092 --> 00:15:22,611 Hey Tania? Walk, walk... 272 00:15:22,714 --> 00:15:23,992 MALE: I think these reporters are waiting for you. 273 00:15:24,095 --> 00:15:25,372 TANIA HEAD: No. 274 00:15:25,476 --> 00:15:26,684 FEMALE IN TAN COAT: You don't, don't have to. 275 00:15:26,787 --> 00:15:27,823 JANICE: After we finished the tour, 276 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:28,893 we were getting ready to leave, 277 00:15:28,997 --> 00:15:31,861 and a group of reporters came towards Tania. 278 00:15:31,965 --> 00:15:33,449 They wanted to get an interview. 279 00:15:33,553 --> 00:15:36,004 Tania started having a lot of anxiety. 280 00:15:36,107 --> 00:15:39,904 She was like out of control... 281 00:15:40,008 --> 00:15:42,942 ...and actually led up to a full-blown panic attack. 282 00:15:43,045 --> 00:15:45,634 MALE IN GRAY COAT Just go, walk quick, Tania, walk quick. 283 00:15:45,737 --> 00:15:46,946 TANIA HEAD: Okay. 284 00:15:47,049 --> 00:15:48,395 JANICE: Like totally breaking down, crying, 285 00:15:48,499 --> 00:15:51,433 shaking, and I had to tell the reporters to leave her alone, 286 00:15:51,536 --> 00:15:53,573 and I had to get her out of there. 287 00:15:53,676 --> 00:15:56,403 MALE IN GRAY COAT: If you don't wanna talk, we don't talk. 288 00:15:56,507 --> 00:16:02,823 [Camera shutters & crowd talking] 289 00:16:02,927 --> 00:16:05,895 TANIA HEAD: One day I came home from work, 290 00:16:05,999 --> 00:16:10,348 and what I found was rose petals leading from the door 291 00:16:10,452 --> 00:16:13,386 to our dining room, and I followed the rose petals, 292 00:16:13,489 --> 00:16:15,181 and I found Dave standing there 293 00:16:15,284 --> 00:16:18,115 with a coconut bra and a grass skirt, 294 00:16:18,218 --> 00:16:22,084 dancing to Hawaiian songs, and I was like, "Oh, my God." 295 00:16:22,188 --> 00:16:27,020 And he had, even cooked this really disgusting Hawaiian food, 296 00:16:27,124 --> 00:16:29,367 recipes that he had found on the internet. 297 00:16:29,471 --> 00:16:31,818 and on the dining table were two, 298 00:16:31,921 --> 00:16:34,821 were two tickets to Hawaii leaving the next day. 299 00:16:34,924 --> 00:16:43,657 [MUSIC] 300 00:16:43,761 --> 00:16:45,556 JANICE: He'd planned this whole amazing trip 301 00:16:45,659 --> 00:16:48,662 because she was busy working, and he wanted to take her away 302 00:16:48,766 --> 00:16:52,287 and had her measurements sent and made her this beautiful, 303 00:16:52,390 --> 00:16:56,877 white dress, and her parents came from California over there 304 00:16:56,981 --> 00:16:58,638 to witness the ceremony. 305 00:16:58,741 --> 00:17:00,778 It wasn't a, a, a legal ceremony. 306 00:17:00,881 --> 00:17:06,818 It was like a just a ceremony of a wedding. 307 00:17:06,922 --> 00:17:08,406 TANIA HEAD: I walked outside, 308 00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:12,065 and there were these four huge Hawaiian warriors with torches 309 00:17:12,169 --> 00:17:14,378 waiting for me outside, and they, I'm like, 310 00:17:14,481 --> 00:17:15,655 "What's going on?" 311 00:17:15,758 --> 00:17:18,244 And they're like, "No, we're escorting you down the, 312 00:17:18,347 --> 00:17:19,314 down the garden aisle." 313 00:17:19,417 --> 00:17:20,522 And I go I'm like, "Okay." 314 00:17:21,764 --> 00:17:23,042 So, I followed them, and we went all the way to the beach, 315 00:17:23,145 --> 00:17:25,009 and there was Dave standing in the middle 316 00:17:25,113 --> 00:17:29,979 of a circle of orchids. 317 00:17:30,083 --> 00:17:31,119 And the next morning, 318 00:17:31,222 --> 00:17:33,155 we started calling all our friends and families, 319 00:17:33,259 --> 00:17:36,331 telling them we had gotten Maui-ed, 320 00:17:36,434 --> 00:17:39,506 not married but Maui-ed. 321 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:45,616 [MUSIC] 322 00:17:45,719 --> 00:17:47,825 BRENDAN: Whenever she talked about Dave, 323 00:17:47,928 --> 00:17:50,310 she never showed any pictures or anything. 324 00:17:50,414 --> 00:17:52,450 We never met Dave's family. 325 00:17:52,554 --> 00:17:55,350 So, the thought crossed my mind, 326 00:17:55,453 --> 00:17:56,627 "What if she's one of these people 327 00:17:56,730 --> 00:17:58,353 who just never tells the truth, 328 00:17:58,456 --> 00:18:00,631 and she just made everything up?" 329 00:18:00,734 --> 00:18:02,771 You know, the, the thought crossed my mind, 330 00:18:02,874 --> 00:18:05,394 but I, I didn't think it was possible. 331 00:18:05,498 --> 00:18:08,259 So, what I did was, I was about to go to bed that night, 332 00:18:08,363 --> 00:18:09,295 and I figured, "You know what? 333 00:18:09,398 --> 00:18:11,504 Let me just look online, 334 00:18:11,607 --> 00:18:13,540 do a little research on part of her story, 335 00:18:13,644 --> 00:18:15,680 make sure there was a connection and see the story's true, 336 00:18:15,784 --> 00:18:17,682 go to bed." 337 00:18:17,786 --> 00:18:20,099 [MUSIC] 338 00:18:20,202 --> 00:18:21,652 BRENDAN: And he existed. 339 00:18:21,755 --> 00:18:25,069 He was where she said he was, and, you know, 340 00:18:25,173 --> 00:18:26,967 he died on that day. 341 00:18:27,071 --> 00:18:30,902 There were a lot of newspaper articles, message boards. 342 00:18:31,006 --> 00:18:32,801 He's a very popular guy, 343 00:18:32,904 --> 00:18:35,804 but there was one thing that wasn't there, 344 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:40,636 any mention of Tania anywhere. 345 00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:44,019 No mention of a fiancé, no mention of the trip to Hawaii 346 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:46,228 that she talked about the month before, 347 00:18:46,332 --> 00:18:50,957 I mean, just no mention of anything that she said. 348 00:18:51,060 --> 00:19:04,902 [MUSIC] 349 00:19:05,005 --> 00:19:14,946 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 350 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:24,335 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 351 00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:34,380 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 352 00:19:34,483 --> 00:19:44,424 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 353 00:19:44,459 --> 00:19:50,050 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 354 00:19:50,050 --> 00:19:54,469 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 355 00:20:18,182 --> 00:20:23,394 She was in love with American people and the United States. 356 00:20:23,498 --> 00:20:36,683 [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 357 00:20:36,787 --> 00:20:38,513 ALISON CROWTHER: Okay, come on. 358 00:20:38,616 --> 00:20:40,031 Come on. 359 00:20:40,135 --> 00:20:41,101 You're a good boy. 360 00:20:42,206 --> 00:20:43,172 Yes, you are a good boy, and you love your cookies, 361 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:46,314 and it shows. 362 00:20:46,417 --> 00:20:48,902 Bang. 363 00:20:49,006 --> 00:20:49,765 Okay. 364 00:20:50,663 --> 00:20:53,631 That's not totally dead, but. [Laughs] 365 00:20:53,735 --> 00:20:55,184 Well, he's been wearing a red bandanna 366 00:20:55,288 --> 00:20:57,877 since we've had him, really. 367 00:20:57,980 --> 00:21:02,019 When we lost Welles, we put it on him, 368 00:21:02,122 --> 00:21:04,366 and he's always wear, worn, worn one. 369 00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:06,713 Yes, you have. Yes, you have. 370 00:21:06,817 --> 00:21:07,576 You're a good boy. 371 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,337 I first heard the name Tania Head 372 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,581 when a friend of ours who we'd gotten to know, 373 00:21:12,685 --> 00:21:16,585 a very lovely woman who volunteers down at Ground Zero, 374 00:21:16,689 --> 00:21:20,693 called me and said, "Alison, I think I've, 375 00:21:20,796 --> 00:21:22,246 I've, I've, I've met someone, 376 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:24,835 I've heard of someone else who Welles saved. 377 00:21:24,938 --> 00:21:27,216 This woman at Ground Zero was leading the tour, 378 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,874 and she started sharing a story about how 379 00:21:29,978 --> 00:21:32,256 the Man in the Red Bandanna saved her. 380 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:33,844 I said, "Oh, oh, that's wonderful. 381 00:21:33,947 --> 00:21:36,433 You know, we would love to, to meet her." 382 00:21:36,536 --> 00:21:38,711 BRENDAN: Tania, I remember the first time we talked about it. 383 00:21:38,814 --> 00:21:40,989 I asked her, "Do you know that guy with the red bandanna 384 00:21:41,092 --> 00:21:42,784 that they were talking about?" 385 00:21:42,887 --> 00:21:44,924 And she said, "Yeah, he saved my life." 386 00:21:45,027 --> 00:21:46,270 ALISON CROWTHER: And then she came to me, and she said, 387 00:21:46,374 --> 00:21:48,686 "Well, she's a little reluctant to meet with you. 388 00:21:48,790 --> 00:21:51,448 She's had some unfortunate experiences with other families 389 00:21:51,551 --> 00:21:54,727 being very angry that she survived 390 00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:57,108 and their loved ones didn't, 391 00:21:57,212 --> 00:21:59,697 and she would like to meet with you but very privately. 392 00:21:59,801 --> 00:22:01,596 It has to be very privately." 393 00:22:01,699 --> 00:22:03,252 I said, "Well, fine." You know, "We'll meet. 394 00:22:03,356 --> 00:22:07,118 We're members of the Princeton Club and have dinner there." 395 00:22:07,222 --> 00:22:10,467 She seemed very grateful, and we were, you know, very pleased. 396 00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:11,813 It was a beautiful thing. 397 00:22:11,916 --> 00:22:15,920 We were, we were very moved that she, she'd been saved, 398 00:22:16,024 --> 00:22:19,338 and, and obviously, it meant so much to her. 399 00:22:19,441 --> 00:22:20,856 TANIA HEAD: I find that family members 400 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,928 of people who were killed, they wanna know what happened, 401 00:22:24,032 --> 00:22:28,036 but I just, I just don't wanna put those images 402 00:22:28,139 --> 00:22:29,727 into their, their heads. 403 00:22:29,831 --> 00:22:31,177 They don't, they don't, they don't have to know. 404 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,904 They don't have to know how their loved ones died. 405 00:22:34,007 --> 00:22:37,494 I think it's, it's better if, if they just don't know 406 00:22:37,597 --> 00:22:43,051 because I saw so much suffering on that floor to the, 407 00:22:43,154 --> 00:22:47,366 to the degree where it's just, it's just something that I, 408 00:22:47,469 --> 00:22:48,712 I don't wanna share with anyone. 409 00:22:48,815 --> 00:22:52,785 I'm just kind of been keeping it to myself. 410 00:22:52,888 --> 00:22:55,719 It's, it's a secret that you carry with you, it's, and, 411 00:22:55,822 --> 00:22:57,755 and it becomes a burden because you can't really share 412 00:22:57,859 --> 00:22:59,792 with a lot of people out there. 413 00:22:59,895 --> 00:23:03,623 Who, who wants to, who wants to talk about body parts 414 00:23:03,727 --> 00:23:05,038 and blood and carnage? 415 00:23:05,142 --> 00:23:06,592 There's nobod... 416 00:23:06,695 --> 00:23:09,077 there's not that many people you can talk to about that. 417 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:16,464 [MUSIC] 418 00:23:16,567 --> 00:23:17,810 LINDA: My head was covered. 419 00:23:17,913 --> 00:23:19,915 But when the second plane crashed, 420 00:23:20,019 --> 00:23:23,402 I had to run for my life. 421 00:23:23,505 --> 00:23:25,921 [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 422 00:23:26,025 --> 00:23:29,131 LINDA: Okay, this was tower number two, the South Tower, 423 00:23:29,235 --> 00:23:30,685 the second tower to get hit. 424 00:23:30,788 --> 00:23:33,998 They were 110 stories each. 425 00:23:34,102 --> 00:23:37,208 They were so tall that sometimes the people 426 00:23:37,312 --> 00:23:39,348 who came into work that worked on the upper floors 427 00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:41,903 looked down at the clouds. 428 00:23:42,006 --> 00:23:43,525 This is one of the most important things that I do 429 00:23:43,629 --> 00:23:44,802 with my life. 430 00:23:44,906 --> 00:23:47,702 I'm a survivor from September 11th, 431 00:23:47,805 --> 00:23:50,601 and I finally found a purpose. 432 00:23:50,705 --> 00:23:52,638 I know why I'm here, 433 00:23:52,741 --> 00:23:54,778 and it's to talk to people like you that come 434 00:23:54,881 --> 00:23:56,124 and wanna hear our stories. 435 00:23:56,227 --> 00:23:58,091 So, that's very important to me. 436 00:23:58,195 --> 00:23:59,438 This is Tania. 437 00:23:59,541 --> 00:24:01,992 Tania's also a survivor. 438 00:24:02,095 --> 00:24:04,339 She's also Spanish speaking. 439 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,134 So, she has offered to help. 440 00:24:06,237 --> 00:24:07,998 TANIA HEAD: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 441 00:24:08,101 --> 00:24:09,482 LINDA: Okay. 442 00:24:09,586 --> 00:24:10,552 She's also a survivor, 443 00:24:10,656 --> 00:24:13,382 and she's also one of my best friends. 444 00:24:13,486 --> 00:24:14,798 I met Tania... 445 00:24:14,901 --> 00:24:17,283 BRENDAN: Tania and Linda were like sisters. 446 00:24:17,386 --> 00:24:20,217 They just, every time we had any kind of event, 447 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,082 whether it was, you know, like an official meeting 448 00:24:23,185 --> 00:24:24,670 or any time we went out socially, 449 00:24:24,773 --> 00:24:26,499 those two were always together. 450 00:24:26,603 --> 00:24:27,086 LINDA: Let's show him what regular people 451 00:24:27,189 --> 00:24:28,294 at the U.S. Open do. 452 00:24:28,397 --> 00:24:29,053 You ready? 453 00:24:29,157 --> 00:24:31,746 TANIA HEAD: Yeah. 454 00:24:31,849 --> 00:24:33,092 LINDA: Let's show him now what survivors 455 00:24:33,195 --> 00:24:36,578 do when they go to the U.S. Open. 456 00:24:36,682 --> 00:24:37,476 TANIA HEAD: Checking out for planes 457 00:24:37,579 --> 00:24:38,718 taking off from LaGuardia. 458 00:24:38,822 --> 00:24:39,478 LINDA: We're watching the planes take off from LaGuardia. 459 00:24:39,581 --> 00:24:41,445 [Laughter] 460 00:24:41,549 --> 00:24:42,688 MALE PRODUCER That's good. 461 00:24:42,791 --> 00:24:45,484 [Laughter] 462 00:24:45,587 --> 00:24:47,969 LINDA: Tania taught me how to live life with grace, 463 00:24:48,072 --> 00:24:53,975 with courage, with the strength to overcome, to me, 464 00:24:54,078 --> 00:24:55,839 some of the scariest things that I've ever faced 465 00:24:55,942 --> 00:24:57,910 in my entire life. 466 00:24:58,013 --> 00:25:02,086 [MUSIC] 467 00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:03,950 LINDA: I don't wanna live my life based on 468 00:25:04,054 --> 00:25:05,469 what happened to me. 469 00:25:05,573 --> 00:25:08,196 I wanna live my life like Tania's living her life, 470 00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:11,993 like going out and helping other people and doing something good 471 00:25:12,096 --> 00:25:15,030 with my really horrible experience. 472 00:25:15,134 --> 00:25:25,075 [MUSIC] 473 00:25:25,178 --> 00:25:34,498 [MUSIC] 474 00:25:34,602 --> 00:25:36,569 ALISON CROWTHER: We had a very beautiful bronze sculpture 475 00:25:36,673 --> 00:25:40,573 of a phoenix bird rising from the World Trade Center 476 00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:42,886 with our message that, you know, good will prevail, 477 00:25:42,989 --> 00:25:45,647 that, that good will rise from the ashes like the phoenix 478 00:25:45,751 --> 00:25:48,650 and prevail. 479 00:25:48,754 --> 00:25:52,654 So, we were dedicating that sculpture at church, 480 00:25:52,758 --> 00:25:55,899 and we invited Tania to come. 481 00:25:56,002 --> 00:25:59,592 MALE IN WHITE SHIRT: Tania was on that 78th Floor sky lobby, 482 00:25:59,696 --> 00:26:02,768 and she's here with us today, thank God, 483 00:26:02,871 --> 00:26:07,496 and I'm gonna ask her now if she would speak a little for you. 484 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,844 [Applause] 485 00:26:09,947 --> 00:26:13,019 LINDA: I remember when we got to his service, 486 00:26:13,123 --> 00:26:14,918 Tania was a nervous wreck. 487 00:26:15,021 --> 00:26:16,160 She couldn't get up. 488 00:26:17,437 --> 00:26:18,577 She couldn't read the piece, and she had asked me to read it. 489 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,683 When Alison and Jeff asked me to speak today, 490 00:26:21,787 --> 00:26:26,274 I sat down staring at a blank screen, and I cried, 491 00:26:26,377 --> 00:26:30,243 unable to find the words, the right words to say. 492 00:26:30,347 --> 00:26:32,936 What exactly do you say to the family of the man 493 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,974 who saved your life and gave his in the process? 494 00:26:37,078 --> 00:26:42,048 Welles was my hero, too, because he saved Tania. 495 00:26:42,152 --> 00:26:44,603 And I found myself flying through the air 496 00:26:44,706 --> 00:26:47,433 and I eventually crashed against the marble wall. 497 00:26:47,536 --> 00:26:50,609 ALISON CROWTHER: It was all part of this beautiful service 498 00:26:50,712 --> 00:26:55,648 that was filled with love and hope and just, 499 00:26:55,752 --> 00:27:01,033 we were so moved, really moved. 500 00:27:01,136 --> 00:27:03,000 LINDA: Hey, Welles, I'm prepared. 501 00:27:03,104 --> 00:27:07,902 [Applause] 502 00:27:08,005 --> 00:27:09,006 ALISON CROWTHER: I was almost paralyzed. 503 00:27:10,145 --> 00:27:11,664 The things they were saying about our son, Welles, 504 00:27:11,768 --> 00:27:13,459 were so beautiful and so powerful, 505 00:27:13,562 --> 00:27:14,460 and they said over and over again, 506 00:27:15,495 --> 00:27:19,361 "You have no idea, truly, what your son faced." 507 00:27:19,465 --> 00:27:23,055 We believe that good, that the good of the human spirit is 508 00:27:23,158 --> 00:27:33,030 far more powerful than the evil that happened that day. 509 00:27:33,134 --> 00:27:34,687 TANIA HEAD: Now that Dave is gone, 510 00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:37,000 because we were gonna have that wedding on October 12, 511 00:27:37,103 --> 00:27:39,623 we never really filed the marriage certificate 512 00:27:39,727 --> 00:27:40,935 here in New York. 513 00:27:41,038 --> 00:27:44,455 So, in the eyes of the laws, we weren't married. 514 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,390 There was no need for us to file it because we were gonna 515 00:27:48,494 --> 00:27:50,220 get married here October 12. 516 00:27:50,323 --> 00:27:53,292 So, when he died, that was a huge problem for me, 517 00:27:53,395 --> 00:27:55,984 but I was able to solve that with the help of a lawyer, 518 00:27:56,088 --> 00:28:00,609 and a judge, um, ended up marrying us posthumously, 519 00:28:00,713 --> 00:28:03,889 which was the saddest thing in the world to become a widow, 520 00:28:03,992 --> 00:28:08,825 you know, like that, but it's strange. 521 00:28:08,928 --> 00:28:15,624 [MUSIC] 522 00:28:15,728 --> 00:28:16,971 LINDA: Tania, this year, was very, very distant 523 00:28:17,074 --> 00:28:19,456 from all of us. 524 00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:28,983 And she had been in denial for years about her husband dying. 525 00:28:29,086 --> 00:28:30,639 JANICE: There was times when I was concerned 526 00:28:30,743 --> 00:28:32,503 that she would hurt herself, 527 00:28:32,607 --> 00:28:35,575 maybe commit suicide because she would sometimes say 528 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,474 that she wanted to die, 529 00:28:37,577 --> 00:28:39,579 and a couple of the other board members and I 530 00:28:39,683 --> 00:28:40,580 would talk about that, 531 00:28:41,616 --> 00:28:43,135 and we were concerned at times that she might 532 00:28:43,238 --> 00:28:44,930 take her own life. 533 00:28:45,033 --> 00:28:46,276 LINDA: Tania was in the middle of doing 534 00:28:46,379 --> 00:28:48,899 this very intensive therapy called flooding 535 00:28:49,003 --> 00:28:51,074 to face Dave's death. 536 00:28:51,177 --> 00:28:53,973 JANICE: You would tell your story to a therapist, 537 00:28:54,077 --> 00:28:56,079 and you would record it, 538 00:28:56,182 --> 00:28:59,565 LINDA: And you have to keep reliving over and over again 539 00:28:59,668 --> 00:29:03,500 the experience of the tragic or traumatic event 540 00:29:03,603 --> 00:29:06,330 that went through your life. 541 00:29:06,434 --> 00:29:10,679 She tape recorded her experience from September 11th. 542 00:29:10,783 --> 00:29:11,611 TANIA HEAD: I heard the engines. 543 00:29:11,715 --> 00:29:13,786 I saw people pray. 544 00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:15,305 You knew that you were gonna die, 545 00:29:15,408 --> 00:29:17,756 and I was just praying, please don't let this hurt. 546 00:29:17,859 --> 00:29:19,067 Please don't let this hurt. 547 00:29:19,171 --> 00:29:19,965 LINDA: I would be behind her, 548 00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:21,760 and she would start circling around, 549 00:29:21,863 --> 00:29:24,003 and the tape would play, "Oh, my God. 550 00:29:24,107 --> 00:29:25,729 Oh, my God, the plane is coming. 551 00:29:25,833 --> 00:29:28,767 The plane is coming," and it would literally crash. 552 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:30,492 And I could tell you, I could visualize the stuff, 553 00:29:30,596 --> 00:29:32,494 listening to her talk about it. 554 00:29:32,598 --> 00:29:37,430 [SIRENS] 555 00:29:37,534 --> 00:29:42,228 LINDA: She would recount how her assistant was decapitated, 556 00:29:42,332 --> 00:29:47,647 how everyone around her was, was burnt. 557 00:29:47,751 --> 00:29:49,649 She told me that her arm was completely severed, 558 00:29:49,753 --> 00:29:51,444 that there was just one little piece of skin right here 559 00:29:51,548 --> 00:29:53,722 that where it was hanging off, 560 00:29:53,826 --> 00:29:55,794 and some man started tugging on her arm, 561 00:29:55,897 --> 00:29:58,520 and she was screaming and crying because she was afraid 562 00:29:58,624 --> 00:30:00,281 that this man was gonna pull her arm off, 563 00:30:00,384 --> 00:30:02,317 and she told me that she took her arm, 564 00:30:02,421 --> 00:30:04,388 and she tucked it into her coat 565 00:30:04,492 --> 00:30:07,081 to keep it from falling off her body. 566 00:30:07,184 --> 00:30:09,083 And she'd start crying harder and harder, 567 00:30:09,186 --> 00:30:10,878 and she would just, she'd be a wreck, 568 00:30:10,981 --> 00:30:12,603 and I would be trying to hold her up, 569 00:30:12,707 --> 00:30:15,572 like I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do. 570 00:30:15,675 --> 00:30:16,642 Right now, even talking about this, 571 00:30:16,745 --> 00:30:19,369 I get so worked up that I start going 572 00:30:19,472 --> 00:30:20,957 into so much anxiety over this, 573 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:24,961 but I did this for her because she was gonna get better. 574 00:30:25,064 --> 00:30:26,755 The nightmares were so bad. 575 00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:29,068 In fact, they were worse. 576 00:30:29,172 --> 00:30:32,244 I started incorporating what she had told me on the tape 577 00:30:32,347 --> 00:30:36,110 into my nightmares, and there wasn't almost a night 578 00:30:36,213 --> 00:30:39,492 that I didn't have a building collapsing on me. 579 00:30:39,596 --> 00:30:40,769 When I finally told her, 580 00:30:42,081 --> 00:30:44,083 "Tania, I've got to stop doing the flooding exercise with you," 581 00:30:44,187 --> 00:30:46,914 she told me that I was a horrible friend, 582 00:30:47,017 --> 00:30:49,261 and I was so selfish. 583 00:30:49,364 --> 00:30:51,366 How could I be such a selfish person? 584 00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:53,955 Didn't I realize what she went through? 585 00:30:54,059 --> 00:30:57,752 Didn't I realize that the trauma that she had sustained 586 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,513 was so much worse than the trauma I had sustained? 587 00:31:00,617 --> 00:31:03,862 I mean, how can, how can I live with that? 588 00:31:03,965 --> 00:31:06,761 ELIA: I actually became very worried about Linda 589 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:10,730 because I know Linda's still working through her own stuff. 590 00:31:10,834 --> 00:31:12,905 So, I was worried that Linda would be that much involved 591 00:31:13,009 --> 00:31:16,875 with someone whom I came to realize 592 00:31:16,978 --> 00:31:24,779 was not doing well at all and, and seemed to be getting worse. 593 00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:36,342 [MUSIC] 594 00:31:36,446 --> 00:31:46,387 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 595 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:56,431 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 596 00:31:56,466 --> 00:32:02,058 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 597 00:32:02,058 --> 00:32:06,476 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 598 00:32:24,494 --> 00:32:29,188 [MUSIC] 599 00:32:29,292 --> 00:32:39,233 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 600 00:32:39,336 --> 00:32:49,277 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 601 00:32:49,312 --> 00:33:02,601 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 602 00:33:02,704 --> 00:33:07,261 [HELICOPTER] 603 00:33:07,364 --> 00:33:08,262 GERRY BOGACZ: Okay, folks, welcome everyone 604 00:33:09,297 --> 00:33:11,541 to our walk today that's gonna be recognizing 605 00:33:11,644 --> 00:33:13,543 all the members of the 9/11 community, 606 00:33:13,646 --> 00:33:15,579 the victims and their families, 607 00:33:15,683 --> 00:33:18,134 the rescuers and recovery workers. 608 00:33:18,237 --> 00:33:21,344 The walk has been organized by the World Trade Center 609 00:33:21,447 --> 00:33:22,897 Survivors' Network. 610 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:25,106 It's an amazing organization in that 611 00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:27,005 there's no real hierarchy to it. 612 00:33:27,108 --> 00:33:28,903 Everybody just gets together and does the work, 613 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:32,596 and I do wanna recognize the coordinators of this, 614 00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:34,633 Tania Head. 615 00:33:34,736 --> 00:33:36,186 [Applause] 616 00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:37,360 GERRY BOGACZ: Tania began to tell me 617 00:33:37,463 --> 00:33:41,122 that people in the network were saying that they had 618 00:33:41,226 --> 00:33:43,297 had some concerns with things that I was doing. 619 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,161 There were people who had told her 620 00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:49,130 that I was not representing survivors aggressively enough. 621 00:33:49,234 --> 00:33:52,306 Then, the board of the, of the network basically called me in 622 00:33:52,409 --> 00:33:54,929 and told me what their concerns were. 623 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,174 A primary person in that whole conversation was Tania. 624 00:33:58,277 --> 00:34:00,555 It was Tania who was basically running this meeting. 625 00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:06,561 JANICE: Tania was frightened of Gerry, 626 00:34:06,665 --> 00:34:08,563 that he was a hard worker, 627 00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:10,531 and, he started the Survivors' Network, 628 00:34:10,634 --> 00:34:14,431 and I think she knew that she couldn't manipulate him. 629 00:34:14,535 --> 00:34:18,125 So, she kind of manipulated everybody else to go 630 00:34:18,228 --> 00:34:22,991 against him so that she could get him out. 631 00:34:23,095 --> 00:34:27,513 LINDA: She had me thinking that Gerry was bad 632 00:34:27,617 --> 00:34:29,170 for the organization. 633 00:34:29,274 --> 00:34:31,690 Yet, in my heart, I adore Gerry. 634 00:34:31,793 --> 00:34:34,382 I, still to this day, I adore and love Gerry. 635 00:34:34,486 --> 00:34:36,591 He's such a good person, but you have to sometimes 636 00:34:36,695 --> 00:34:40,078 separate yourself from you as a person 637 00:34:40,181 --> 00:34:41,769 and you as part of an organization, 638 00:34:41,872 --> 00:34:43,150 and that's what we had to do. 639 00:34:43,253 --> 00:34:44,496 GERRY BOGACZ: And, um, personally, I'm very proud of, 640 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,636 of this organization and the people who are in it. 641 00:34:46,739 --> 00:34:48,569 They've done a great deal of work... 642 00:34:48,672 --> 00:34:52,745 We were having our annual elections for the board, 643 00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:55,403 and the night before the election meeting, 644 00:34:55,507 --> 00:34:58,199 Tania called me and started to talk to me about, 645 00:34:58,303 --> 00:35:00,477 "You don't really wanna come to this meeting, now, do you?" 646 00:35:00,581 --> 00:35:03,722 You know, that type of thing, and I started talking. 647 00:35:03,825 --> 00:35:05,758 I said, "Yeah, no, I'm, I, I, I wanna be there," 648 00:35:05,862 --> 00:35:07,208 and so forth, and then I realized 649 00:35:07,312 --> 00:35:09,245 through the conversation that what she was really saying 650 00:35:09,348 --> 00:35:11,799 Is that I wasn't going to be elected to the board, 651 00:35:11,902 --> 00:35:13,111 or re-elected to the board. 652 00:35:13,214 --> 00:35:14,319 I even said it to her. 653 00:35:15,561 --> 00:35:15,837 I said, "You're telling me I'm not gonna be re-elected," 654 00:35:16,735 --> 00:35:18,116 and she was kind of quiet, and I said, 655 00:35:18,219 --> 00:35:19,807 "Well, I'm still gonna be there." 656 00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:27,194 [CITY SOUNDS] 657 00:35:27,297 --> 00:35:30,231 GERRY: The next day, I went to the meeting, 658 00:35:30,335 --> 00:35:32,923 and, in fact, I wasn't re-elected to the board, 659 00:35:33,027 --> 00:35:35,892 and I left at that point. 660 00:35:35,995 --> 00:35:38,066 I remember standing at the bus stop waiting for the bus home, 661 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:42,105 and, you know, having a physical reaction to it, 662 00:35:42,209 --> 00:35:45,004 just feeling shaken, totally shaken but not in a, 663 00:35:45,108 --> 00:35:46,972 in a psychological way, a physical way, 664 00:35:47,075 --> 00:35:49,595 actually shaking and just wondering 665 00:35:49,699 --> 00:35:52,978 how I had managed to alienate all those people, 666 00:35:53,081 --> 00:35:56,809 you know, and, and, and part of me was sort of beginning 667 00:35:56,913 --> 00:35:57,948 to rebel against it. 668 00:35:58,052 --> 00:35:59,122 There was some anger there, too, like, 669 00:35:59,226 --> 00:36:00,434 what, what, what just happened? 670 00:36:00,537 --> 00:36:01,814 But it was mostly self-doubt. 671 00:36:01,918 --> 00:36:03,782 It was mostly like, what did I do here? 672 00:36:03,885 --> 00:36:06,267 How, how did this happen? 673 00:36:06,371 --> 00:36:09,167 The next day, they came out with a press release, 674 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:14,862 which described the new board with Tania as the president, 675 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,796 offices we didn't have before. 676 00:36:17,899 --> 00:36:20,212 So, there was this mysterious quality to it, too. 677 00:36:20,316 --> 00:36:22,421 I just couldn't put all these pieces together 678 00:36:22,525 --> 00:36:26,563 and figure out why did it come out this way. 679 00:36:26,667 --> 00:36:33,260 And I haven't really been active with the network since. 680 00:36:33,363 --> 00:36:34,330 BRENDAN: I'm like, "Oh, my God. 681 00:36:34,433 --> 00:36:36,677 I, I, I can't believe I'm seeing this." 682 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:38,437 And it's like now wait a minute. 683 00:36:38,541 --> 00:36:40,681 I, I keep trying to find one more website 684 00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:41,923 that will confirm her story, 685 00:36:42,027 --> 00:36:46,480 and I'm checking and checking and checking... Nothing. 686 00:36:46,583 --> 00:36:49,207 Needless to say, I didn't get any sleep that night, 687 00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:55,385 but I sat on this information. 688 00:36:55,489 --> 00:36:58,699 These people were so important in my life. 689 00:36:58,802 --> 00:36:59,941 They brought me back. 690 00:37:00,045 --> 00:37:03,048 You know, they, they made me into a human being again. 691 00:37:03,151 --> 00:37:05,775 I don't what would have happened if I'd never met them, 692 00:37:05,878 --> 00:37:09,227 and I did not wanna lose that, you know. 693 00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:13,645 I, I, I just could see her making all these people go away, 694 00:37:13,748 --> 00:37:16,958 and I, I just, I couldn't do it. 695 00:37:17,062 --> 00:37:20,099 I, I knew deep down that I was gonna tell eventually. 696 00:37:20,203 --> 00:37:23,517 You know, I, I just knew, but I didn't wanna do it. 697 00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:25,657 I mean, I was just too scared because I knew the power 698 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,935 that she had over people. 699 00:37:28,038 --> 00:37:39,118 [MUSIC] 700 00:37:39,222 --> 00:37:42,087 ELIA: It was a couple of days before the sixth anniversary, 701 00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:44,883 Tania came over to me. 702 00:37:44,986 --> 00:37:49,819 She was frantic, and she said that a New York Times reporter 703 00:37:49,922 --> 00:37:52,856 was going to do a story on her. 704 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,719 JANICE: They really just wanted to do 705 00:37:53,823 --> 00:37:55,273 a really nice story on her. 706 00:37:55,376 --> 00:37:56,895 Six years later, where is she? 707 00:37:56,998 --> 00:37:59,035 You know, that she went to Harvard and Stanford, 708 00:37:59,138 --> 00:38:00,761 she's doing all these wonderful things. 709 00:38:00,864 --> 00:38:02,418 LINDA: She agreed to it, which I was really happy about. 710 00:38:02,521 --> 00:38:04,592 As time went on, as time went on, 711 00:38:04,696 --> 00:38:06,076 she kept pushing back, 712 00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:08,320 and she was acting very strange about it. 713 00:38:08,424 --> 00:38:10,011 ELIA: He was asking a lot of personal questions 714 00:38:10,115 --> 00:38:11,565 that she did not wanna answer, 715 00:38:11,668 --> 00:38:15,879 and he was going to write a lot of lies about her. 716 00:38:15,983 --> 00:38:17,950 JANICE: They were supposed to meet, 717 00:38:18,054 --> 00:38:20,712 but she said that she had another appointment 718 00:38:20,815 --> 00:38:21,885 and was gonna be late. 719 00:38:21,989 --> 00:38:23,473 So, they had to cancel that. 720 00:38:23,577 --> 00:38:26,959 [PHONE RINGING] 721 00:38:27,063 --> 00:38:29,893 JANICE: So, he called her up, and she got very upset 722 00:38:29,997 --> 00:38:32,137 and hung up on him. 723 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,347 She called me and said, "He's asking me these questions, 724 00:38:35,451 --> 00:38:37,487 and why is he asking me all these questions?" 725 00:38:37,591 --> 00:38:39,731 And I say, "Well, you don't have to answer them. 726 00:38:39,834 --> 00:38:41,008 It's okay." 727 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,941 ALISON CROWTHER: We got a call from a reporter, David Dunlap, 728 00:38:43,942 --> 00:38:46,013 at The New York Times, and he said, "Hi." 729 00:38:46,116 --> 00:38:46,979 And he said, 730 00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:48,326 "I'm writing this story about Tania Head, 731 00:38:49,016 --> 00:38:49,948 and, you know, we just need, 732 00:38:51,225 --> 00:38:53,779 there's a couple things we can't quite put into place here." 733 00:38:53,883 --> 00:38:56,264 My immediate reaction to his call was, 734 00:38:56,368 --> 00:38:59,371 "Why are you harassing this woman? 735 00:38:59,475 --> 00:39:00,959 She's been through so much." 736 00:39:01,062 --> 00:39:02,547 GERRY BOGACZ: I started to answer their questions, 737 00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:03,755 and about a quarter of the way in, 738 00:39:03,858 --> 00:39:05,343 I realized that this wasn't just a piece. 739 00:39:05,446 --> 00:39:08,000 This was an investigation. 740 00:39:08,104 --> 00:39:20,254 [PHONE RINGING & CITY SOUNDS] 741 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,256 LINDA: As The New York Times was harassing Tania 742 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,500 with phone call after phone call, 743 00:39:24,603 --> 00:39:27,744 she told me that Merrill Lynch had arranged 744 00:39:27,848 --> 00:39:30,471 a family conference at the St. Regis. 745 00:39:30,575 --> 00:39:33,716 There were 11 co-workers that had died with her, 746 00:39:33,819 --> 00:39:39,446 and these families wanted to know how their loved ones died. 747 00:39:39,549 --> 00:39:40,792 She was so afraid. 748 00:39:40,895 --> 00:39:42,103 There were people that she told me 749 00:39:42,207 --> 00:39:44,658 had stalked her over the years. 750 00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:47,833 She called me that morning hysterically crying, and said, 751 00:39:47,937 --> 00:39:49,076 "Linda, I need you to come in now. 752 00:39:49,179 --> 00:39:50,526 These people are so mean to me. 753 00:39:50,629 --> 00:39:51,630 They're screaming at me." 754 00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:53,149 [TAXI HORN] 755 00:39:53,252 --> 00:39:55,945 LINDA: I ran out of my apartment. I hailed a taxi. 756 00:39:56,048 --> 00:39:58,430 I went right into the St. Regis Hotel, 757 00:39:58,534 --> 00:40:01,744 and I found her laying on the side of the hotel, 758 00:40:01,847 --> 00:40:02,538 and she kept repeating, 759 00:40:03,366 --> 00:40:03,884 "I tried to get these people out. 760 00:40:03,987 --> 00:40:04,816 I tried to save them. 761 00:40:04,919 --> 00:40:05,886 I tried to save them all," 762 00:40:05,989 --> 00:40:09,407 and she was crying and shaking and a mess. 763 00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:11,443 She kept telling me over the past six months 764 00:40:11,547 --> 00:40:13,272 that she was gonna try to kill herself, 765 00:40:13,376 --> 00:40:18,416 and I figured, this is the day that she's gonna kill herself. 766 00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:19,796 And I helped her up, and I said, 767 00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:22,350 "Let me bring her inside to the, to the hotel. 768 00:40:22,454 --> 00:40:25,733 They probably know exactly. They we're probably there. 769 00:40:25,837 --> 00:40:27,977 They probably arranged it, and when I went inside, 770 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,875 and I begged them for a quiet place for us to sit, 771 00:40:29,979 --> 00:40:35,778 they didn't even know what I was talking about. 772 00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:37,849 After a little while, she pulled herself together, 773 00:40:37,952 --> 00:40:40,023 and she asked to go the Marsh McLennan Memorial 774 00:40:40,127 --> 00:40:44,200 where her husband Dave's name was. 775 00:40:44,303 --> 00:40:47,548 And we were just touching Dave's name over and over again, 776 00:40:47,652 --> 00:40:49,308 and she was crying, but she was calming down 777 00:40:49,412 --> 00:40:52,450 because I felt like, you know, Dave was calming her down. 778 00:40:52,553 --> 00:40:56,454 Dave was calming her down. 779 00:40:56,557 --> 00:40:58,456 And all of a sudden, she was like, 780 00:40:58,559 --> 00:40:59,526 "You can go home now, Linda, 781 00:40:59,629 --> 00:41:01,459 It's okay. I'm gonna be all right." 782 00:41:01,562 --> 00:41:05,635 [MUSIC] 783 00:41:05,739 --> 00:41:08,086 [PHONE RINGS] 784 00:41:08,189 --> 00:41:10,778 ELIA: She begged me to call the reporter 785 00:41:10,882 --> 00:41:13,194 and tell him to stop. 786 00:41:13,298 --> 00:41:15,714 I called up, and I left a message saying, 787 00:41:15,818 --> 00:41:18,199 "I understand you're doing a story on her. 788 00:41:18,303 --> 00:41:20,995 She does not wish to have a story written on her. 789 00:41:21,099 --> 00:41:27,968 Please respect her, her request, her wishes." 790 00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:30,522 And that was it. 791 00:41:30,626 --> 00:41:33,249 And after I hung up, she started yelling at me, 792 00:41:33,352 --> 00:41:36,183 telling me that I probably just made it worse 793 00:41:36,286 --> 00:41:42,051 by telling him that. 794 00:41:42,154 --> 00:41:45,710 If he writes lies, you can just verify. 795 00:41:45,813 --> 00:41:50,197 All you have to do is just get Dave's parents to speak up 796 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,682 and all his friends. 797 00:41:52,786 --> 00:41:54,028 JANICE: I called him up, and I said, 798 00:41:54,132 --> 00:41:57,204 "You know, this is a really difficult time of the year. 799 00:41:57,307 --> 00:42:00,000 Can you please wait until after the anniversary? 800 00:42:00,103 --> 00:42:04,211 See, she said that she would do the interview then." 801 00:42:04,314 --> 00:42:06,662 He was screaming on the phone to me one day. 802 00:42:06,765 --> 00:42:09,043 He's like goes, "Why can't you just answer the questions?" 803 00:42:09,147 --> 00:42:16,534 [MUSIC] 804 00:42:16,637 --> 00:42:19,709 LORI: She was driving us absolutely [bleeping] crazy. 805 00:42:19,813 --> 00:42:22,885 She would call us constantly several times a day 806 00:42:22,988 --> 00:42:24,714 to talk about this stuff, and, of course, 807 00:42:24,818 --> 00:42:25,922 everybody kept saying, 808 00:42:26,026 --> 00:42:27,406 "Just talk to The Times already. 809 00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:29,305 What is your problem?" 810 00:42:29,408 --> 00:42:36,795 [MUSIC] 811 00:42:36,899 --> 00:42:38,348 LORI: I remember the night before 812 00:42:38,452 --> 00:42:40,419 September 11th anniversary. 813 00:42:40,523 --> 00:42:43,181 She always had a barbecue at her house. 814 00:42:43,284 --> 00:42:44,251 BRENDAN: And Tania seemed to be having 815 00:42:44,354 --> 00:42:45,632 a lot of difficulty with something. 816 00:42:45,735 --> 00:42:46,840 You know, she was crying, 817 00:42:46,943 --> 00:42:49,359 running out of the barbecue and everything. 818 00:42:49,463 --> 00:42:50,291 LORI: "The Times keeps calling me. 819 00:42:51,258 --> 00:42:51,810 The Times keeps calling me," or whatever. 820 00:42:52,915 --> 00:42:55,158 She was no longer even connected to us as friends. 821 00:42:55,262 --> 00:42:57,229 She was so caught up in her own mania. 822 00:42:57,333 --> 00:42:59,059 LINDA: She was sitting outside with Janice, 823 00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:00,578 crying hysterically, saying, 824 00:43:00,681 --> 00:43:03,097 "They're, they're asking all these questions. 825 00:43:03,201 --> 00:43:04,892 They're fact checking. 826 00:43:04,996 --> 00:43:08,102 They're questioning my story." 827 00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:09,932 And I remember thinking to myself 828 00:43:10,035 --> 00:43:12,382 what horrible people they are. 829 00:43:12,486 --> 00:43:14,039 BRENDAN: I'm thinking, "This guy's on to her," 830 00:43:14,143 --> 00:43:16,317 because there's no reason why she should be 831 00:43:16,421 --> 00:43:18,216 so uncomfortable about this. 832 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:20,459 ELIA: Here's Linda, supposedly, this is the, 833 00:43:20,563 --> 00:43:22,151 this is, this is the sixth anniversary. 834 00:43:22,254 --> 00:43:25,533 Linda should be in her own stuff, 835 00:43:25,637 --> 00:43:28,260 and she's worried about Tania crying. 836 00:43:28,364 --> 00:43:30,504 LINDA: I begged her. 837 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,782 I begged her to give me something, 838 00:43:32,886 --> 00:43:35,889 a piece of evidence that I could go to to The New York Times. 839 00:43:35,992 --> 00:43:39,755 I begged her, "Give me the name of the firefighter 840 00:43:39,858 --> 00:43:43,172 that carried you out that morning, the one that was, 841 00:43:43,275 --> 00:43:44,794 that you were handed off to 842 00:43:44,898 --> 00:43:46,762 and threw you underneath that fire truck 843 00:43:46,865 --> 00:43:49,212 when the tower came down right on West Street. 844 00:43:49,316 --> 00:43:51,663 You told me that story a million times. 845 00:43:51,767 --> 00:43:54,252 You and that firefighter survived." 846 00:43:54,355 --> 00:43:57,980 Everybody else in Tania's story had died. 847 00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:01,949 I begged her for the name of that firefighter, 848 00:44:02,053 --> 00:44:04,124 and she wouldn't give it to me. 849 00:44:04,227 --> 00:44:08,059 She would not give me the name of that firefighter. 850 00:44:08,162 --> 00:44:09,577 She wouldn't. 851 00:44:09,681 --> 00:44:16,895 [RAIN AND THUNDER] 852 00:44:16,999 --> 00:44:19,657 JANICE: I had suggested to her to get an attorney. 853 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,762 I said, "Why don't you get yourself an attorney? 854 00:44:21,866 --> 00:44:24,558 This way then you know what your rights are." 855 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,112 As we were going up in the elevator, she says, 856 00:44:27,216 --> 00:44:30,288 "Okay, Janice, I'm gonna tell you my story. 857 00:44:30,391 --> 00:44:32,221 I'm not a U.S. citizen. 858 00:44:32,324 --> 00:44:35,431 That's why I can't say anything to the reporters." 859 00:44:35,534 --> 00:44:37,675 So, I said, "It doesn't matter to me 860 00:44:37,778 --> 00:44:39,262 you're not a U.S. citizen, you know. 861 00:44:39,366 --> 00:44:40,091 That's okay. 862 00:44:40,954 --> 00:44:41,195 I don't think anybody will mind that 863 00:44:41,886 --> 00:44:43,266 you're not a U.S. citizen." 864 00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:45,130 So, we went into the lawyer's office, 865 00:44:45,234 --> 00:44:46,718 and the lawyer said that I didn't have 866 00:44:46,822 --> 00:44:50,515 client privilege rights, 867 00:44:50,618 --> 00:44:53,932 so that if, if it was okay, for me to wait outside. 868 00:44:54,036 --> 00:44:55,209 And I says, "Absolutely. 869 00:44:55,313 --> 00:44:59,282 I'm here just to, you know, as her friend." 870 00:44:59,386 --> 00:45:04,943 I sat outside for two hours, and the lawyer calls me in. 871 00:45:05,047 --> 00:45:07,118 She started saying things back to Tania 872 00:45:07,221 --> 00:45:09,396 that they had spoke about in the meeting, 873 00:45:09,499 --> 00:45:15,989 and as she was saying back to Tania, you know, 874 00:45:16,092 --> 00:45:19,302 "It's okay that you only knew Dave a few months," 875 00:45:19,406 --> 00:45:21,270 and now here the story I had known was that 876 00:45:21,373 --> 00:45:22,996 she was married, and, you know, 877 00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:25,239 they had this long relationship. 878 00:45:25,343 --> 00:45:27,207 TANIA HEAD: My life was perfect. 879 00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:28,449 JANICE: And it's okay, Tania, 880 00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:34,179 that you were only here for the, in the building for the day. 881 00:45:34,283 --> 00:45:35,629 TANIA HEAD: I worked in the World Trade Center. 882 00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:37,044 She died, and I didn't. 883 00:45:37,148 --> 00:45:38,908 JANICE: And I just could not believe what I was hearing. 884 00:45:39,012 --> 00:45:42,118 I was like, I actually, I think I went into shock. 885 00:45:42,222 --> 00:45:43,154 TANIA HEAD: Why am I special? 886 00:45:44,224 --> 00:45:45,432 Why, why was I spared? Why didn't they make it? 887 00:45:45,535 --> 00:45:46,260 I was smelling my own skin burning. 888 00:45:46,364 --> 00:45:47,330 Definitely a love story. 889 00:45:48,435 --> 00:45:48,849 It feels wrong to have walked out of there alive 890 00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:50,609 when so many people didn't. 891 00:45:50,713 --> 00:45:54,372 [SIRENS] 892 00:45:54,475 --> 00:46:03,657 [MUSIC] 893 00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:07,903 LINDA: Janice called me and asked me if I was sitting down, 894 00:46:08,006 --> 00:46:09,767 and I said, "Yeah, I'm, I'm just sitting down. 895 00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:11,009 I was and having my cup of coffee." 896 00:46:11,113 --> 00:46:13,943 It was morning, and she started telling me 897 00:46:14,047 --> 00:46:18,292 that Tania is not who she said she was. 898 00:46:18,396 --> 00:46:19,638 JANICE: And she was like, "Oh, no, come on." 899 00:46:19,742 --> 00:46:20,916 And I said, "Well, this is what I heard 900 00:46:21,019 --> 00:46:23,021 in the attorney's office," 901 00:46:23,125 --> 00:46:26,231 and the both of us started looking things up. 902 00:46:26,335 --> 00:46:28,544 LINDA: She's not a fraud. 903 00:46:28,647 --> 00:46:30,339 She's a person that's hurting. 904 00:46:30,442 --> 00:46:31,616 And she said, "No, Linda." 905 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,965 She goes, "Her name is not what she's been telling us. 906 00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:38,174 There was no husband Dave. 907 00:46:38,278 --> 00:46:41,384 She didn't even have a relationship with Dave. 908 00:46:41,488 --> 00:46:48,529 We don't even think she was in the towers that day." 909 00:46:48,633 --> 00:46:51,118 ELIA: When I got the phone call, 910 00:46:51,222 --> 00:46:55,226 I was at work, 911 00:46:55,329 --> 00:46:59,333 and I immediately started yelling out right in my office, 912 00:46:59,437 --> 00:47:02,543 "What happened? What happened?" 913 00:47:02,647 --> 00:47:06,237 Because I thought she had done something to herself, 914 00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:08,998 and I didn't wanna hear it. 915 00:47:09,102 --> 00:47:15,833 I didn't wanna hear it that she had done something to herself. 916 00:47:15,936 --> 00:47:19,353 And Linda kept saying, "It's not what you think. 917 00:47:19,457 --> 00:47:23,288 It's not what you think. It's not what you think." 918 00:47:23,392 --> 00:47:30,640 And finally, she blurted out the words, 919 00:47:30,744 --> 00:47:33,160 and I wanted to hang up the phone. 920 00:47:33,264 --> 00:47:34,782 I wanted to yell at Linda and say, 921 00:47:34,886 --> 00:47:38,338 "How could you say that? 922 00:47:38,441 --> 00:47:40,892 How could you say that she's a fraud?" 923 00:47:40,996 --> 00:47:41,997 KATIE COURIC: We end tonight with a story 924 00:47:43,136 --> 00:47:45,345 that began on 9/11, a story of tragedy and heroism, 925 00:47:45,448 --> 00:47:47,381 survival and love. 926 00:47:47,485 --> 00:47:48,900 There's just one problem. 927 00:47:49,004 --> 00:47:52,041 As Jeff Glor reports, the story, repeated many times 928 00:47:52,145 --> 00:47:55,942 in the past six years, may be a complete fabrication. 929 00:47:56,045 --> 00:47:57,426 FEMALE VOICE #3: Shocked and stunned. 930 00:47:57,529 --> 00:47:58,289 MALE VOICE #4: The New York Times 931 00:47:59,186 --> 00:47:59,669 discovered a flood of discrepancies. 932 00:48:00,843 --> 00:48:01,361 CHRIS WAGGE: A Manhattan woman is under fire tonight. 933 00:48:02,396 --> 00:48:03,225 DIANE SAWYER: Turning now to a mysterious story 934 00:48:04,329 --> 00:48:06,573 about a woman and a possible stunning deception. 935 00:48:06,676 --> 00:48:09,265 MALE VOICE #5: No World Trade Center job, no fiancé, 936 00:48:09,369 --> 00:48:10,404 no dramatic escape. 937 00:48:10,508 --> 00:48:11,612 MALE VOICE #6: Merrill Lynch, 938 00:48:12,855 --> 00:48:13,580 the financial management company where she claimed to work, 939 00:48:13,683 --> 00:48:15,340 had no record of her employment. 940 00:48:15,444 --> 00:48:16,790 AMANDA RIPLEY: I was shocked, you know. 941 00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,688 I couldn't believe it. What happened here? 942 00:48:18,792 --> 00:48:20,069 Why, why did she do this, 943 00:48:20,173 --> 00:48:22,037 and why did none of us question her? 944 00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:23,072 JEFF GLOR: There was no evidence 945 00:48:23,176 --> 00:48:24,625 that she made money off her story, 946 00:48:24,729 --> 00:48:26,041 but she certainly gained fame. 947 00:48:26,144 --> 00:48:27,801 FEMALE VOICE #4: Can we talk to you for a minute, please? 948 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:29,630 FEMALE VOICE #5: Head has now been removed as president 949 00:48:29,734 --> 00:48:33,565 of a 2,000 member organization of Trade Center survivors. 950 00:48:33,669 --> 00:48:35,395 BRENDAN: The person that we saw 951 00:48:35,498 --> 00:48:37,673 and that we believed in never existed. 952 00:48:37,776 --> 00:48:40,814 LORI: This was totally shocking, totally shocking, 953 00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:41,435 because of all the things I would 954 00:48:42,091 --> 00:48:42,643 ever think about somebody, 955 00:48:43,748 --> 00:48:44,852 that's just not something that I would think about. 956 00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:46,958 BRENDAN: You're looking at everyone with suspicion. 957 00:48:47,062 --> 00:48:56,105 If Tania can lie... anybody could lie. 958 00:48:56,209 --> 00:48:58,694 LORI: Perhaps she's evil. 959 00:48:58,797 --> 00:49:00,454 Perhaps there's some thread of evil in there. 960 00:49:00,558 --> 00:49:01,869 I don't know. 961 00:49:01,973 --> 00:49:04,251 Evil is not a word that ever existed in my life 962 00:49:04,355 --> 00:49:07,772 until September 11th, but I know evil exists, 963 00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,739 and it is possible. 964 00:49:09,843 --> 00:49:13,329 [MUSIC] 965 00:49:13,433 --> 00:49:17,609 LINDA: Tania was my sign that God was there that day. 966 00:49:17,713 --> 00:49:21,234 I felt like God had protected her. 967 00:49:21,337 --> 00:49:23,961 Well, God's gonna protect me also because 968 00:49:24,064 --> 00:49:26,101 she beat the odds that day. 969 00:49:26,204 --> 00:49:28,655 She beat all the odds that day. 970 00:49:28,758 --> 00:49:30,450 So, to have that taken away from me, 971 00:49:30,553 --> 00:49:38,976 the sign that God was there that day... 972 00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:44,809 ...there's a, there's nothing that she could ever say 973 00:49:44,912 --> 00:49:49,710 to me today or going forward that will ever change the pain 974 00:49:49,814 --> 00:49:55,130 and the anger, and I'm sorry, but the hatred that I have 975 00:49:55,233 --> 00:49:58,650 for that woman right now. 976 00:49:58,754 --> 00:50:01,515 I don't have any room in my heart to find sadness for her. 977 00:50:01,619 --> 00:50:05,485 What she did to me, what she did to the 9/11 community, 978 00:50:05,588 --> 00:50:09,247 and what she has done to the families, 979 00:50:09,351 --> 00:50:11,732 I want answers. I want to know. 980 00:50:11,836 --> 00:50:21,777 I wanna know who she is. I need to find that out. 981 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,815 I wanna know who she is. I need to find that out. 982 00:50:25,919 --> 00:50:35,860 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 983 00:50:35,963 --> 00:50:45,904 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 984 00:50:45,939 --> 00:50:51,600 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 985 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,949 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 986 00:51:30,708 --> 00:51:40,649 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 987 00:51:40,752 --> 00:51:46,517 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 988 00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:55,422 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 989 00:51:55,526 --> 00:51:58,322 JANICE: She didn't hurt anyone physically. 990 00:51:58,425 --> 00:52:00,634 She didn't sign any documents. 991 00:52:00,738 --> 00:52:05,950 She did not do anything what we would say is illegal. 992 00:52:06,053 --> 00:52:07,814 GERRY BOGACZ: It is true that Tania never stole 993 00:52:07,917 --> 00:52:10,748 any money from the, she never made any money 994 00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:12,163 from this involvement. 995 00:52:12,267 --> 00:52:14,890 I don't think money was what her objective was, frankly. 996 00:52:14,993 --> 00:52:17,755 LORI: Why she's done this has been, 997 00:52:17,858 --> 00:52:20,137 everybody wonders that. 998 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,449 Myself, I don't know. 999 00:52:22,553 --> 00:52:23,381 AMANDA RIPLEY: I think after 9/11, 1000 00:52:23,485 --> 00:52:26,315 we all wanted to have a piece of it. 1001 00:52:26,419 --> 00:52:28,352 I mean, I think if we're being honest with ourselves, 1002 00:52:28,455 --> 00:52:32,183 there was a really human, strong desire to, 1003 00:52:32,287 --> 00:52:36,843 to not only give back and try to help 1004 00:52:36,946 --> 00:52:41,710 but also to connect to it in some fundamental way. 1005 00:52:41,813 --> 00:52:43,125 MARIAN FONTANA: Well, I think a lot of people used 9/11 1006 00:52:43,229 --> 00:52:44,230 to heal themselves. 1007 00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:46,887 I mean, I think 9/11 became, oddly, 1008 00:52:46,991 --> 00:52:49,580 a religion for some people, you know. 1009 00:52:49,683 --> 00:52:51,271 It was a way to belong. 1010 00:52:51,375 --> 00:52:54,930 It was a way to be part of something bigger than themselves. 1011 00:52:55,033 --> 00:53:00,004 ALICE GREENWALD: For some people who need either some kind 1012 00:53:00,107 --> 00:53:05,182 of identity or some kind of notoriety or visibility, 1013 00:53:05,285 --> 00:53:08,288 this became a way, in Tania's case, I would guess, 1014 00:53:08,392 --> 00:53:11,774 I don't know for sure, but for her to feel needed. 1015 00:53:11,878 --> 00:53:13,638 MARIAN FONTANA: I think, you know, my, my friends 1016 00:53:13,742 --> 00:53:16,848 who are widows were like, "Why would she wanna be us?" 1017 00:53:16,952 --> 00:53:19,713 You know, "Why would you want to be us?" 1018 00:53:19,817 --> 00:53:23,338 And, you know, having known what we've suffered, 1019 00:53:23,441 --> 00:53:25,547 it, you know, that was to all of us 1020 00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:30,517 a very normal response to have. 1021 00:53:30,621 --> 00:53:37,075 [MUSIC] 1022 00:53:37,179 --> 00:53:47,120 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1023 00:53:47,224 --> 00:54:00,409 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1024 00:54:00,513 --> 00:54:07,244 [MUSIC] 1025 00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:17,288 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1026 00:54:17,392 --> 00:54:27,333 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1027 00:54:27,367 --> 00:54:34,961 SONIA: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1028 00:54:35,064 --> 00:54:42,624 [MUSIC] 1029 00:54:42,727 --> 00:54:52,668 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1030 00:54:52,772 --> 00:55:02,713 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1031 00:55:02,747 --> 00:55:11,963 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1032 00:55:12,067 --> 00:55:13,827 [APPLAUSE] 1033 00:55:13,931 --> 00:55:23,250 FEMALE ANNOUNCER: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1034 00:55:23,354 --> 00:55:28,842 Alicia Esteve Head. 1035 00:55:28,946 --> 00:55:31,535 [MUSIC] 1036 00:55:31,638 --> 00:55:32,812 LORI: You know, when I think about what Tania 1037 00:55:32,915 --> 00:55:36,609 was doing on 9/11, 2001, 1038 00:55:36,712 --> 00:55:40,889 she probably was just having a regular day in Barcelona, 1039 00:55:40,992 --> 00:55:43,167 you know, getting up like everyone else. 1040 00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:45,342 You know, someone made some form of an announcement 1041 00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:48,931 that there's a terrorist attack going on in Manhattan. 1042 00:55:49,035 --> 00:55:52,349 [MUSIC] 1043 00:55:52,452 --> 00:55:54,316 BRENDAN: From what I can tell, she had never been 1044 00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:57,561 in the World Trade Center. 1045 00:55:57,664 --> 00:55:59,563 It's obvious she did her research on Dave, 1046 00:55:59,666 --> 00:56:02,359 whom she had never met. 1047 00:56:02,462 --> 00:56:05,189 I mean, she knows where her company was located. 1048 00:56:05,292 --> 00:56:09,849 So, she probably did her research on us. 1049 00:56:09,952 --> 00:56:12,576 She was probably just watching us and trying to see 1050 00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:14,750 what we were talking about and how we felt, 1051 00:56:14,854 --> 00:56:17,546 and she adopted the personality. 1052 00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:20,238 You know, she knew how survivors felt 1053 00:56:20,342 --> 00:56:21,861 after going through something like that, 1054 00:56:21,964 --> 00:56:23,828 and she became one of us. 1055 00:56:23,932 --> 00:56:32,389 [MUSIC] 1056 00:56:32,492 --> 00:56:33,562 BRENDAN: We didn't know much about 1057 00:56:33,666 --> 00:56:36,979 her present life at the time. 1058 00:56:37,083 --> 00:56:40,362 ELIA: It would have been actually cruel 1059 00:56:40,466 --> 00:56:45,609 for any one of us to question her on anything. 1060 00:56:45,712 --> 00:56:48,266 It would have been downright cruel. 1061 00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:51,684 [MUSIC] 1062 00:56:51,787 --> 00:56:53,582 BRENDAN: I mean, she mentions working for Merrill Lynch 1063 00:56:53,686 --> 00:56:57,310 and in this financial think tank that she told us about, 1064 00:56:57,414 --> 00:56:59,623 but we had never been to her office. 1065 00:56:59,726 --> 00:57:01,901 We had never met any of her co-workers, 1066 00:57:02,004 --> 00:57:03,247 and from what I understand, 1067 00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:07,078 she would actually rent office space to meet people, 1068 00:57:07,182 --> 00:57:09,184 and nobody ever questioned it. 1069 00:57:09,287 --> 00:57:14,085 [MUSIC] 1070 00:57:14,189 --> 00:57:15,846 BRENDAN: Tania, to give her a compliment, 1071 00:57:15,949 --> 00:57:18,573 she's the best liar I've ever met. 1072 00:57:18,676 --> 00:57:22,231 I mean, she was so good at staying on her story 1073 00:57:22,335 --> 00:57:25,442 that I really didn't notice any inconsistencies 1074 00:57:25,545 --> 00:57:28,134 until I knew her for a couple of years. 1075 00:57:28,237 --> 00:57:31,965 ELIA: Had we actually compared notes like we do now, 1076 00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:35,313 we would have realized something was wrong. 1077 00:57:35,417 --> 00:57:38,834 LINDA: She told me that she lost her wedding ring in, 1078 00:57:38,938 --> 00:57:41,768 on September 11th and that Tiffany's had replaced 1079 00:57:41,872 --> 00:57:44,115 the wedding ring that she had lost. 1080 00:57:44,219 --> 00:57:45,979 GERRY BOGACZ: There were references to her fiancé 1081 00:57:46,083 --> 00:57:49,880 that, that changed from fiancé to husband back to fiancé. 1082 00:57:49,983 --> 00:57:53,228 RICHARD She even promised the Crowthers that she 1083 00:57:53,331 --> 00:57:56,334 had saved a piece of her burnt clothing and would put it 1084 00:57:56,438 --> 00:57:58,198 in a plaque and give it to them. 1085 00:57:58,302 --> 00:58:00,511 LINDA: She told me on the day that her brother died 1086 00:58:00,615 --> 00:58:04,757 that his wife had a baby on the same day, 1087 00:58:04,860 --> 00:58:07,000 and they named the baby, Dave. 1088 00:58:07,104 --> 00:58:17,045 [MUSIC] 1089 00:58:17,148 --> 00:58:26,848 [MUSIC] 1090 00:58:26,951 --> 00:58:31,715 ELIA: I remember I was in her apartment one time, 1091 00:58:31,818 --> 00:58:34,649 and she always talked about her dog, Elvis, 1092 00:58:34,752 --> 00:58:37,272 and her dog, Elvis, and her old dog, Elvis. 1093 00:58:37,375 --> 00:58:39,930 And one of the times that I was in her apartment, I said, 1094 00:58:40,033 --> 00:58:43,796 "Where's your dog? I never see your dog." 1095 00:58:43,899 --> 00:58:47,282 And she would always have the same answer. 1096 00:58:47,385 --> 00:58:51,700 "Uh, Lupe is walking him." 1097 00:58:51,804 --> 00:58:53,150 And I remember one day I said, 1098 00:58:53,253 --> 00:58:56,671 "Boy, that dog gets walked a lot. [Laughing] 1099 00:58:56,774 --> 00:58:58,086 That's the most walked dog. 1100 00:58:58,189 --> 00:59:00,191 I mean, that dog must love Lupe 1101 00:59:00,295 --> 00:59:02,953 because she's always walking him." 1102 00:59:03,056 --> 00:59:05,093 But one day, I went into the apartment, 1103 00:59:05,196 --> 00:59:09,131 and I asked her, "Where's, where's your dog? 1104 00:59:09,235 --> 00:59:10,270 I wanna see your dog." 1105 00:59:10,374 --> 00:59:12,514 And she said, "Oh, you know, Lupe's walking him." 1106 00:59:12,618 --> 00:59:15,068 And I said, 1107 00:59:15,172 --> 00:59:19,107 "Tania, do you or don't you have a dog?" 1108 00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:22,041 I got right in her face because it bothered me 1109 00:59:22,144 --> 00:59:23,490 that I couldn't, I love dogs, 1110 00:59:23,594 --> 00:59:26,217 so, it bothered me that I couldn't see the dog. 1111 00:59:26,321 --> 00:59:27,909 And she just looked at me and went, 1112 00:59:28,012 --> 00:59:31,775 "Oh, yeah, of course I have a dog." 1113 00:59:31,878 --> 00:59:38,540 [MUSIC AND BIRDS] 1114 00:59:38,644 --> 00:59:48,585 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1115 00:59:48,688 --> 00:59:55,695 MARTA FORN: [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] 1116 00:59:55,799 --> 01:00:02,253 [MUSIC] 1117 01:00:02,357 --> 01:00:05,325 BRENDAN: After The Times article, she disappeared, 1118 01:00:05,429 --> 01:00:07,604 and I don't know if it's because she actually 1119 01:00:07,707 --> 01:00:11,504 just left the country or if she's just been hiding well, 1120 01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:13,920 but really, none of us have had any contact 1121 01:00:14,024 --> 01:00:15,370 with her since then. 1122 01:00:15,473 --> 01:00:16,992 ELIA: The other thing she did was she wrote me an email 1123 01:00:17,096 --> 01:00:21,618 and said, "Hello." That's it. 1124 01:00:21,721 --> 01:00:26,933 I saw that as her way of opening up a line of communication. 1125 01:00:27,037 --> 01:00:36,460 I just deleted the email, and that was it. 1126 01:00:36,563 --> 01:00:41,361 ELIA: There had to be some sort of recognition 1127 01:00:41,465 --> 01:00:43,640 that she was doing something wrong, 1128 01:00:43,743 --> 01:00:51,544 and, um, and she was deviant in, in, in that way, 1129 01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:54,823 but that is only something that we see now. 1130 01:00:54,927 --> 01:00:56,963 That's something that we couldn't see then. 1131 01:00:57,067 --> 01:01:09,010 [MUSIC] 1132 01:01:09,113 --> 01:01:10,390 MALE POLICE OFFICER: Go across the street. 1133 01:01:10,494 --> 01:01:11,806 LINDA: Right over here at this light. 1134 01:01:13,290 --> 01:01:13,324 MALE POLICE OFFICER: See those two ladies with the two orange hats? 1135 01:01:13,739 --> 01:01:14,567 LINDA: Yes. 1136 01:01:15,844 --> 01:01:15,879 MALE POLICE OFFICER: You're gonna tell them you're family, 1137 01:01:16,465 --> 01:01:16,500 family members, right? 1138 01:01:17,466 --> 01:01:17,570 LINDA: Well, we're actually all survivors, 1139 01:01:18,157 --> 01:01:19,434 let me tell you, yeah. 1140 01:01:19,537 --> 01:01:20,573 MALE POLICE OFFICER: So, you let them know, 1141 01:01:20,677 --> 01:01:21,988 and they'll let you in so you can go inside, 1142 01:01:22,092 --> 01:01:22,609 all right, ma'am? 1143 01:01:22,713 --> 01:01:23,680 LINDA: Thank you. 1144 01:01:23,783 --> 01:01:26,303 So, follow me, guys. 1145 01:01:26,406 --> 01:01:28,961 No pushing, no shoving. [Laughs] 1146 01:01:29,064 --> 01:01:34,691 [MUSIC] 1147 01:01:34,794 --> 01:01:36,451 JANICE: I just hope that she really does get 1148 01:01:36,554 --> 01:01:39,316 the help she needs and that she can live a full life. 1149 01:01:39,419 --> 01:01:40,662 She's a smart woman. 1150 01:01:40,766 --> 01:01:42,940 She's talented, and she can offer 1151 01:01:43,044 --> 01:01:45,322 a lot of great stuff in this world. 1152 01:01:45,425 --> 01:01:46,703 So, forgiveness, yeah. 1153 01:01:46,806 --> 01:01:49,084 This, there, I absolutely forgive her. 1154 01:01:49,188 --> 01:01:54,262 BRENDAN: I know we should forgive, but I don't know. 1155 01:01:54,365 --> 01:01:56,126 It, it would really take a lot. 1156 01:01:56,229 --> 01:01:58,473 I, I don't think I could ever do it. 1157 01:01:58,576 --> 01:02:02,201 I, I just, I just feel that hurt, that wronged. 1158 01:02:02,304 --> 01:02:07,758 [MUSIC] 1159 01:02:07,862 --> 01:02:09,518 ALISON CROWTHER: She was a troubled person. 1160 01:02:09,622 --> 01:02:12,314 There were issues that drove her to do this. 1161 01:02:12,418 --> 01:02:18,527 And because she was not functioning in a normal way, 1162 01:02:18,631 --> 01:02:22,083 how can you hold, you know, not forgive someone like that? 1163 01:02:22,186 --> 01:02:26,328 [MUSIC] 1164 01:02:26,432 --> 01:02:29,504 GERRY BOGACZ: She's never apologized. 1165 01:02:29,607 --> 01:02:32,438 This is all a great mystery, and it's, it is what it is, 1166 01:02:32,541 --> 01:02:36,891 and, and it's not gonna affect my life any longer. 1167 01:02:36,994 --> 01:02:41,861 ELIA: I've already forgiven her. 1168 01:02:41,965 --> 01:02:48,247 Holding onto all the feelings that I had 1169 01:02:48,350 --> 01:02:51,595 once I found out that she had lied to us is 1170 01:02:51,698 --> 01:02:57,049 not gonna take me anywhere where I wanna go. 1171 01:02:57,152 --> 01:02:59,948 We'll get through it. You know that? 1172 01:03:00,052 --> 01:03:05,540 We'll get through it. You know that. 1173 01:03:05,643 --> 01:03:06,506 LINDA: All the things that I was doing this year 1174 01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:09,613 putting this together, I was thinking, 1175 01:03:09,716 --> 01:03:11,684 "Where's Tania when you need her?" 1176 01:03:11,788 --> 01:03:12,892 You know what I mean? 1177 01:03:14,169 --> 01:03:16,344 And it just made me feel even more upset because I'm like, 1178 01:03:16,447 --> 01:03:23,800 "I miss her." I really, I miss her. 1179 01:03:23,903 --> 01:03:26,319 You know, I, I miss it like I miss life 1180 01:03:26,423 --> 01:03:27,424 back on September 10th. 1181 01:03:27,527 --> 01:03:28,943 I miss, I miss that. 1182 01:03:29,046 --> 01:03:32,084 I miss, I miss the what was. 1183 01:03:32,187 --> 01:03:36,502 I miss the what could have been. 1184 01:03:36,605 --> 01:03:38,953 That's what I miss. 1185 01:03:39,056 --> 01:03:43,056 [MUSIC] 88190

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