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So, abuse is
a made up human construct.
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As much as I thought
this was a curriculum for growth,
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it's really just a weapon.
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Everything was
designed to protect him.
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I got played,
and I helped this guy build
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whatever he was
building around him.
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And I was apart of that.
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We didn't join a cult!
Nobody joins a cult.
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Nobody!
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How we
illustrate human nobility is to get rid of
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the concept of victim like that.
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They may be
assigning an FBI taskforce.
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They wanna speak to
witnesses immediately.
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I just had my
meeting with the FBI today.
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I gave them all my evidence.
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A Tell the truth.
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Good people
do bad things all the time.
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- Yeah, you're right.
- Oh, move the camera?
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Yeah,
move the camera, just a little bit.
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- So, you want me to...
- Yeah.
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Okay, I, I wrote a fable once,
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that started that there
was a mighty king
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that took over, uh, a culture,
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and this king used
torture and fear
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to create obedience.
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And over time,
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people found that if they
just obeyed what the king said,
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there was peace across the land.
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But what they sacrificed
for that was their traditions,
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their customs,
and all of their identity.
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So they just became a group of slaves,
almost like cattle,
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that were used by the king.
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The threat of violence was
enough to keep social order.
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But if the king went
and killed everyone,
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then he would have
to do all the work.
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So,
the people who are being victimized
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have a certain power.
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And they can stand
against the king.
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And even though the king has all
sorts of weapons that they don't have,
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and all sorts of violence
that they don't have,
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ultimately,
they would likely prevail.
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Frank.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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AS OF, UH, RIGHT NOW,
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OUR BELOVED VANGUARD
WAS IN MONTERREY.
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AND I HAVE A PICTURE COMING
WITH CONFIRMATION, SO WAIT FOR IT.
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He's on the run.
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Show us the
picture. Can you hold it up?
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Uh, yeah.
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SO, THE PICTURE.
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THAT'S KEITH
RANIERE RIGHT THERE.
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AND THAT WAS TODAY,
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IN MEXICO.
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Then I'd like to call the FBI
and the police and tell them,
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"This is what we've
heard's happening.
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"So,
if you guys are serious about any of this,
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"you're about to lose your shot,
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BECAUSE THERE'S THOUSANDS
OF LOYAL ESP-IANS IN MEXICO."
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THE CHILDREN OF VERY
INFLUENTIAL FAMILIES
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ARE RUNNING THE
CENTER DOWN THERE.
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YOU KNOW, LIKE,
EMILIANO SALINAS.
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HE IS THE SON OF ONE
OF THE EX-PRESIDENTS.
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HE'S SORT OF LIKE
THE JFK JR. OF MEXICO.
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AND SO KEITH HAD A LOT
OF POLITICAL CLOUT THERE.
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Greg?
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Hi, little pup. Aw!
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I mean, he's got a lot
of power around him down there.
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And they've moved
all their classes to Mexico?
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So, we're in a tricky spot,
because
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law enforcement has said, "Stop.
Don't do any more shit." And we're like...
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It's a, it's a waiting game.
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So didn't
he have houses and offices
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and stuff like that in,
um, Albany?
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Yeah. All in
other people's names.
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- Yeah.
- Many of them are...
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The houses are quiet
and shuttered now.
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So, all of that got disrupted.
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- Yeah.
- There's still some diehards there.
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Like India? Is she one
of the diehards that are over there?
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- Yeah.
- She's here. I'm seeing her this afternoon.
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But she's not
here recruiting people.
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We don't know.
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She's meeting with me
today at three o'clock.
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Well, and, and right now,
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she's got such blinders on that,
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she's not questioning
anything except for you.
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Correct. Shit.
What do I do if she's going...
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If she goes to Mexico?
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You just continually...
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It's the same way. It's kind
of like a reverse brainwash.
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You just continually play
the message over to her,
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till one day maybe she hears it.
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And the message is?
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Well,
tell her to stop doing weird shit.
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Okay.
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You know?
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- "Stop doing..."
- Yeah. If you're doing weird shit,
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people want to hear about it.
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Well, you ask questions that
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she would have
to think about now.
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Why is he in Mexico?
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Why are the houses shuttered?
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- Yeah.
- Why is the FBI investigating him?
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Doesn't it seem a little
odd that a guy who's
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on the up-and-up and
doing good business
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and helping people
and doing the right thing
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has to move to Mexico?
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So, 2000 and...
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I think nine, was when...
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a number of the Mexicans
spoke to him at V Week
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and said, you know,
"We are under enormous,
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"uh, fear in our country.
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"You know,
we're being kidnapped,
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Kidnapping is a business. You know,
we don't know what to do."
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AND KEITH SAID,
"I CAN SOLVE THIS."
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Keith called all the Mexicans
together and sat and spoke to them,
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and I recorded all
those conversations.
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Good to see you.
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Yes!
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It's interesting,
because when I was express kidnapped,
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I asked a lot of questions,
and I had a conversation with these guys.
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Uh, and for them at least,
my impression was,
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that they go into their business,
like,
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like they tell their wives,
you know, "I'm going to work."
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NXIVM MEXICO, I MEAN,
IT JUST, IT BASICALLY SEEMED LIKE
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THEY LIVED IN SOME
KIND OF RAREFIED AIR.
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A LOT OF MONEY.
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And even in the
mission statement,
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it talks about reaching the most
influential, powerful, you know,
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wealthiest people, blah,
blah, in the world because...
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if you go and try and
give this education
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to the people that
have zero influence,
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the lowest laborers,
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they have no influence
over society at all.
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The only sustainable
way to change a society
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is the wealthiest,
most powerful people
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needed this education.
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And that would trickle
down to everything else.
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I think part of the problem here
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is that you guys are numb
to your own condition.
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Class neutrality is one of the
biggest problems in Mexico.
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It's one of the things that's
generating a lot of fear, if you will.
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The entitlement of the
poor to take from the rich,
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and the fear of the
poor that they're,
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they're nothing. Oblivion.
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And the fear of the rich that they've
gotten their riches for no reason
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and really,
they don't deserve them, either.
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I want you to
imagine a $10 bill.
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Do you know what
that $10 bill means?
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Some person in Mexico is
probably willing to work, what, a day?
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They're willing to go and sweat,
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and spend a whole day,
just to get that little piece of paper.
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You hold the life of a
whole family in your hand
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when you hold that $10 bill.
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And you go out and
spend that $10 bill on what?
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Drinks at a bar?
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That's what I
think of your family.
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That's what I think
of your efforts.
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That's what I think of a
whole day of your work.
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I just piss it off.
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I piss on your family.
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So why am I saying all of this?
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'Cause you have to
understand the nature of it,
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and you have to understand
the nature of what you do.
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And do the wealthy people
have to change? Yeah.
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You have to respect
the wealth that you have,
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and what it
represents in the world.
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KEITH SAID TO ME,
"YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE COOL
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IF YOU COULD CONTINUE
DOCUMENTING THIS." I SAID, "I'D LOVE TO."
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So I followed them
down to Mexico to see
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what would they do with these,
this information in these meetings.
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This thing will not work
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if you do not resolve
your class struggle.
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You have to be visible,
day after day,
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location after location,
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on the radio, in the news.
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Yes, I am.
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Although I don't know
how to implement this.
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I, I don't know how to
organize people like that.
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Well, start small.
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IN LAK'ECH translates
to "you are my other me."
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So there's two aspects.
There's the economic aspect,
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which is the creation of affluence,
so to speak.
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AND THEN THE OTHER HAND IS
PEACEFUL DRILLS AND TOOLS OF PEACE.
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EVERY SUNDAY AT 3:00 P.M.,
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3,000 TO 5,000
PEOPLE WOULD STAND
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all over Mexico and basically say
this particular pledge that he had written.
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ALL VIOLENCE
IS A MISTAKEN IDENTITY.
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All violence traces back to a,
a fear.
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So what is the
nature of compassion?
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To get to the root
of the violence,
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to transform the violence.
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I DECIDED TO MAKE A
FILM ABOUT THE MOVEMENT.
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I named it "Encender
El Corazón."
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"IGNITE THE HEART."
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I WAS LIKE, I'M GONNA FUCKING
MAKE THIS FILM A WAKEUP CALL.
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AND SO I FOUND GREAT
STORIES. AND GREAT PEOPLE.
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I MET TONI ZARATTINI IN ESP,
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PROBABLY IN 2005.
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AND TONI WAS KIDNAPPED,
UM, MANY YEARS BEFORE.
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And for ransom from his family,
they cut off his ears,
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and they cut off
one of his fingers.
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TONI AND I HAD KNOWN
EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME,
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AND I CONSIDERED HIM A HERO.
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He tried to escape
once from his kidnappers.
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They beat the shit out of him,
put him back in,
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and eventually he tried again,
and, and got away.
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TONI'S A GREAT MAN.
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HE WAS A COACH IN NXIVM,
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until he discovered that one of his
dear friends was involved in DOS,
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and had been branded,
and he was horrified.
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AND SO HIS BATTLE WITH THE ENTIRE
MEXICAN ESP COMMUNITY BEGAN.
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One of the reasons I got out
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is when I learned that
Mark had gotten out.
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It was like, "What? He got out?
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"Mark Vicente got out?
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"He's like,
like what? How? He's a Green.
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"He's on the board.
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What do you... What...
What do you mean he's out?"
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And they said, "No, well,
he wanted to go make movies."
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Didn't make any sense.
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This is my friend.
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HOLA.
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Um, do you have any updates?
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I hope so, Toni,
because if it doesn't,
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they're gonna hunt us forever.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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THERE'S BEEN A
CERTAIN LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY
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BECAUSE OF, LIKE,
LAW ENFORCEMENT GETTING MORE INVOLVED.
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AND I DON'T KNOW IF
THEY HAVE A CASE OR NOT.
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EVERYTHING WE DID BEFORE WAS,
WE NEED TO GET THIS EXPOSED.
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WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT THERE.
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WE HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
CONTROL OVER WHAT WE WERE DOING.
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AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S
LESS IN OUR HANDS NOW.
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When I first saw her, like, oh,
my God. I love this child so much.
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Just being able to, like,
kiss her and hug her.
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And...
241
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I feel so many mixed emotions,
I can't tell you.
242
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On one hand,
243
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I did... I planted
a lot of stuff,
244
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but I swear to God,
I felt like I was planting seeds...
245
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in...
246
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granite.
247
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Well,
there's no getting through to her
248
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that what she's doing
is super fucked up.
249
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And I did say what Greg said. Like,
I said, you know,
250
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"This is very weird." She said,
"So what if it's weird?"
251
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I mean,
what do you say to somebody?
252
00:16:29,839 --> 00:16:32,506
I'm like, "Well,
the world thinks it's weird."
253
00:16:32,589 --> 00:16:34,089
And I said, "Not okay weird.
254
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Like fuck... Like,
creepy weird."
255
00:16:39,381 --> 00:16:41,839
But it doesn't seem
to be a problem for her.
256
00:16:48,631 --> 00:16:52,381
And I can just see how, um,
257
00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:57,839
like,
how her morality has been bent.
258
00:16:57,923 --> 00:17:00,881
So I was saying, "Well,
what if people are going to jail?
259
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And what if people
have broken the law?"
260
00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,464
And she said, "Well,
I don't think that I've done anything,
261
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personally, to break the law."
262
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I said, "I believe that you would
never break the law knowingly."
263
00:17:10,923 --> 00:17:14,923
I said, "But what if you were guided
to break the law by people who knew?
264
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Why do you think Keith fled?"
265
00:17:18,589 --> 00:17:22,005
"Well..." Her response is, "'Cause there's
a lot of people who don't like him."
266
00:17:22,089 --> 00:17:24,923
And I'm like, "Well,
why do you think they don't like him?"
267
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And...
268
00:17:29,047 --> 00:17:31,506
again,
she couldn't really come up...
269
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She couldn't come
up with an answer.
270
00:17:37,631 --> 00:17:41,673
She really thinks that Mark
and Bonnie are the masterminds
271
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of this whole operation,
272
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and that I'm being used
by Mark and Bonnie.
273
00:17:45,422 --> 00:17:48,798
Uh, Sarah and Nippy are being used,
like, everybody's being used.
274
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If there's hope...
275
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it's not in any of the words
that were communicated.
276
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It's in... it's in here.
277
00:18:13,005 --> 00:18:14,673
You know?
278
00:18:14,756 --> 00:18:17,839
What we're up against
is such darkness.
279
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Such incredible darkness.
280
00:18:44,422 --> 00:18:45,881
I don't have any
evidence at all,
281
00:18:45,964 --> 00:18:47,315
but I feel like we're
gonna get her back.
282
00:18:47,339 --> 00:18:50,297
But I don't have
any evidence at all.
283
00:19:23,798 --> 00:19:26,297
TO PREPARE FOR LANDING,
284
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PLEASE CLOSE YOUR TRAY TABLE,
AND PUT AWAY CARRY-ON ITEMS.
285
00:19:30,255 --> 00:19:32,005
PLACE YOUR SEAT
IN THE ORIGINAL...
286
00:19:32,089 --> 00:19:34,714
WHEN MARK AND I LEFT,
WE PUT EVERYTHING IN STORAGE.
287
00:19:34,798 --> 00:19:36,357
ANY ITEMS YOU WISH TO DISCARD...
288
00:19:36,381 --> 00:19:38,506
IT'S YEARS AND
YEARS OF OUR LIVES.
289
00:19:38,589 --> 00:19:40,464
WE'LL BE LANDING SOON.
290
00:19:55,756 --> 00:19:57,214
NOW THAT KEITH'S GONE,
291
00:19:57,297 --> 00:19:59,422
WE FINALLY FEEL OKAY TO GO BACK.
292
00:20:01,631 --> 00:20:03,714
I can see why we like LA.
293
00:20:03,798 --> 00:20:06,839
This is, like, gray and dead.
294
00:20:06,923 --> 00:20:08,923
- Disgusting.
- Yeah.
295
00:20:10,964 --> 00:20:12,881
But being back
here just reminds me
296
00:20:12,964 --> 00:20:15,204
of the heartache of, like,
how much we've lost, you know?
297
00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:18,297
We have lost a lot of friends.
298
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:34,047
You
want to go first or you want me?
299
00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:40,214
It's a puppy.
300
00:20:40,297 --> 00:20:41,923
It's a puppy.
301
00:20:42,005 --> 00:20:44,130
- It's a puppy. It's a puppy.
- Hi.
302
00:20:44,631 --> 00:20:46,464
Hi.
303
00:20:46,547 --> 00:20:48,798
- Hi, puppy.
- Oh, you're so... Are you cold?
304
00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:50,940
- Come in here.
- Oh, no, I'm all right. I actually kind of like it.
305
00:20:50,964 --> 00:20:52,047
- Hi! - Hi.
306
00:20:52,130 --> 00:20:55,005
How's it going?
307
00:20:55,089 --> 00:20:57,631
Something I never thought
I'd see standing in my doorway.
308
00:20:57,714 --> 00:20:58,940
- Really?
- Yeah.
309
00:20:58,964 --> 00:21:00,506
Yeah. You.
310
00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:05,255
Where do you wanna sit? Actually,
I'll sit here, boo.
311
00:21:05,339 --> 00:21:07,756
- Yeah. Okay.
- And you sit here.
312
00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:10,039
Toni, thank you so much for
opening up your house to us.
313
00:21:10,089 --> 00:21:12,798
Oh, and, listen,
thank you so much for opening your eyes.
314
00:21:12,881 --> 00:21:15,148
- It took a while.
- Like, that's just...
315
00:21:15,172 --> 00:21:17,381
- It took a while.
- Hey, I don't care
316
00:21:17,464 --> 00:21:19,047
when anyone wakes up,
317
00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:22,172
how they wake up,
as long as they wake up.
318
00:21:24,172 --> 00:21:25,981
- Is that right? How did that work?
- Well...
319
00:21:26,005 --> 00:21:27,981
- I don't... Let me think.
- I never felt like enemies.
320
00:21:28,005 --> 00:21:30,286
- I never felt...
- I felt like you were enemies.
321
00:21:30,339 --> 00:21:32,005
- - No, I, I understand,
322
00:21:32,089 --> 00:21:33,940
- and you should have, absolutely.
- I'm sorry.
323
00:21:33,964 --> 00:21:35,422
- Yeah.
- No, no. You should have.
324
00:21:35,506 --> 00:21:37,631
Not anymore! - Natalie: Right.
325
00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:38,964
It's good.
326
00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:41,297
It had to be very
difficult for him
327
00:21:41,381 --> 00:21:45,172
to not be able to split you
guys up. So how hard did he try?
328
00:21:45,255 --> 00:21:47,607
- Pretty trying. Pretty hard after I left, yeah.
- Yeah, yeah. Right?
329
00:21:47,631 --> 00:21:49,964
Yeah. To me, you...
330
00:21:50,047 --> 00:21:52,673
You both leaving was a big deal.
331
00:21:52,756 --> 00:21:56,631
Because someone
that close to him leaving,
332
00:21:56,714 --> 00:21:58,881
is a crack in his plate.
333
00:22:00,714 --> 00:22:02,839
When he loses that control,
334
00:22:02,923 --> 00:22:04,673
he loses his mind.
335
00:22:06,631 --> 00:22:08,506
I have something for you.
336
00:22:10,381 --> 00:22:15,130
I'm looking for the letter
that I sent to Mark in 2010.
337
00:22:15,214 --> 00:22:17,255
- 2010? - Mm-hmm.
338
00:22:17,339 --> 00:22:19,297
Right when I came in.
339
00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:20,798
Wow.
340
00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:23,172
But I,
I never received it back then.
341
00:22:23,255 --> 00:22:24,547
So that was like
eight years ago.
342
00:22:24,631 --> 00:22:26,172
Mm-hmm.
343
00:22:26,255 --> 00:22:28,339
- Is that the one?
- Yeah, yeah. That's it.
344
00:22:28,422 --> 00:22:31,673
Um,
it was in response to a TED Talk
345
00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:33,547
that Mark did.
346
00:22:34,089 --> 00:22:35,464
MY NAME IS MARK VICENTE.
347
00:22:35,547 --> 00:22:38,673
I'M A FILMMAKER FROM THE
APARTHEID ERA SOUTH AFRICA.
348
00:22:38,756 --> 00:22:41,047
I HAVE AS MY MENTOR
AN AMERICAN SCIENTIST
349
00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:43,756
AND PHILOSOPHER BY THE
NAME OF KEITH RANIERE.
350
00:22:44,589 --> 00:22:46,339
HE ASKED ME A QUESTION,
351
00:22:46,422 --> 00:22:48,130
AND THE QUESTION
HE ASKED ME WAS,
352
00:22:48,214 --> 00:22:50,464
"WHAT IS BRAVERY?"
353
00:22:50,547 --> 00:22:51,798
WHAT IS IT?
354
00:22:54,673 --> 00:22:56,339
Nobody's ever seen this letter.
355
00:22:56,422 --> 00:22:59,673
No. No. I just sent it to you.
356
00:22:59,756 --> 00:23:01,130
It says, "Mark,
357
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:02,964
"I think it's very
important that you temper
358
00:23:03,047 --> 00:23:06,255
"how much of your good deeds
you attribute to Keith Raniere.
359
00:23:06,339 --> 00:23:10,381
"By attributing your goodness to Raniere,
you give him credit.
360
00:23:10,464 --> 00:23:14,047
"And worse yet, credibility,
where none is due.
361
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:16,047
"Just look at how he cons people
362
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:17,899
"into believing that they
are doing good deeds,
363
00:23:17,923 --> 00:23:20,798
"when in fact,
all they're doing is helping to make
364
00:23:20,881 --> 00:23:23,130
"his sordid lifestyle possible.
365
00:23:23,214 --> 00:23:25,756
"If only you and others
would be brave enough
366
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,714
"to truly look at his
past and his present,
367
00:23:27,798 --> 00:23:30,547
"and objectively,
you would see that you've been conned.
368
00:23:30,631 --> 00:23:33,923
"Keith destroys people's
lives and will continue to do so
369
00:23:34,005 --> 00:23:36,839
"until people like
yourself are brave enough
370
00:23:36,923 --> 00:23:38,589
"to really look at what he does.
371
00:23:38,673 --> 00:23:40,381
"And if you choose not to,
372
00:23:40,464 --> 00:23:42,631
then you must ask yourself why."
373
00:23:45,047 --> 00:23:46,255
You did, though.
374
00:23:46,339 --> 00:23:48,589
- Mm-hmm. Finally.
- You did wake up.
375
00:23:48,673 --> 00:23:49,673
Yeah, but you know what?
376
00:23:49,756 --> 00:23:51,148
- It doesn't matter.
- Seven years later.
377
00:23:51,172 --> 00:23:54,005
It doesn't matter,
Mark. It's that you woke up.
378
00:23:54,089 --> 00:23:55,839
Yeah, I wish I got it.
379
00:23:55,923 --> 00:23:57,130
You weren't ready.
380
00:23:57,214 --> 00:23:58,506
I wasn't ready.
381
00:24:21,881 --> 00:24:23,506
Fuckin' hell.
382
00:24:24,673 --> 00:24:25,714
Aah.
383
00:24:36,964 --> 00:24:39,506
This,
this is our old house right here.
384
00:24:40,381 --> 00:24:42,339
On top of the garage,
to the right,
385
00:24:42,422 --> 00:24:44,774
- the receivers and transmitters.
- See, they're watching us.
386
00:24:44,798 --> 00:24:46,899
- There's probably a camera there, as well.
- They're watching us.
387
00:24:46,923 --> 00:24:49,005
They're probably watching us,
yeah.
388
00:24:49,089 --> 00:24:50,506
They have, like,
389
00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:53,089
cameras all around at
the ESP-ians' houses.
390
00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:55,547
So they're monitoring.
Someone's monitoring.
391
00:24:56,547 --> 00:24:59,381
Keith could be looking
at that in Mexico.
392
00:25:01,047 --> 00:25:02,673
Puts us in a
little bit of danger.
393
00:25:02,756 --> 00:25:04,422
If they have
papers ready for us,
394
00:25:04,506 --> 00:25:07,547
and they've been trying to find us,
they could come and serve us.
395
00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,631
'Cause we've been in hiding.
396
00:25:14,714 --> 00:25:16,589
This is dark right here.
397
00:25:21,798 --> 00:25:24,464
KEITH WAS TRYING TO
SEE HOW SUBMISSIVE I'D BE.
398
00:25:24,547 --> 00:25:27,506
AND HE'D CALL ME FOR WALKS AT LIKE,
3:00 A.M.
399
00:25:27,589 --> 00:25:29,964
AND I JUST JUMPED RIGHT
OUT OF BED AND WENT,
400
00:25:30,047 --> 00:25:32,464
LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS AN HONOR.
401
00:26:24,631 --> 00:26:25,964
OKAY.
402
00:27:27,631 --> 00:27:29,511
AT ONE POINT IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,
403
00:27:29,547 --> 00:27:30,798
I WAS WALKING WITH HIM,
404
00:27:30,881 --> 00:27:33,964
AND HE WAS DOING
LITTLE TESTS WITH ME.
405
00:27:34,047 --> 00:27:38,589
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW,
"WHY DON'T YOU RUN TOWARDS THAT TREE?
406
00:27:38,673 --> 00:27:40,964
SO I STARTED... I RAN TOWARDS
THE TREE AND I STOPPED.
407
00:27:41,047 --> 00:27:42,923
I DIDN'T MASH MY FACE UP.
408
00:27:43,005 --> 00:27:47,839
AND I CAME BACK AND HE SAID, "INTERESTING
HOW PROTECTIVE OF YOUR BODY YOU ARE."
409
00:27:50,005 --> 00:27:51,798
AND I FELT ASHAMED.
410
00:27:51,881 --> 00:27:54,464
BUT I SAW THAT AS A LIMITATION.
411
00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:57,923
AND THEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW,
"YOU'RE SO UPTIGHT ABOUT DIRT.
412
00:27:58,005 --> 00:28:01,964
GO AND LICK THAT PUDDLE. YOU'RE SO
UPTIGHT ABOUT DIRT. LICK THE PUDDLE."
413
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:03,923
SO I WENT AND LICKED THE PUDDLE.
414
00:28:04,923 --> 00:28:07,297
I WAS TRYING TO LET DOWN MY,
MY GUARDS,
415
00:28:07,381 --> 00:28:09,297
AND ALL MY FEARS, AND, YOU KNOW,
416
00:28:09,381 --> 00:28:12,130
TO OPEN MYSELF
UP TO HIS TEACHING.
417
00:28:13,047 --> 00:28:15,964
I THINK I FAILED
WHATEVER HIS TESTS WERE.
418
00:28:23,673 --> 00:28:26,255
OKAY, LET'S, LET'S JUST DO A...
419
00:28:26,339 --> 00:28:28,339
START IT. LET'S SEE, HERE.
420
00:28:28,422 --> 00:28:30,422
- - Sorry. Could you just...
421
00:28:30,506 --> 00:28:33,089
I'm a little punchy, that's all.
422
00:28:33,172 --> 00:28:36,047
Don't mind me.
423
00:28:42,130 --> 00:28:44,422
This is history of the movement,
right?
424
00:28:47,798 --> 00:28:49,339
Who cares?
425
00:28:55,798 --> 00:28:57,506
Boring?
426
00:28:57,589 --> 00:29:00,964
Not boring,
but not of the emotional tenor you need.
427
00:29:01,047 --> 00:29:03,023
THE REASON
WHY I THINK YOU SHOULD IS...
428
00:29:03,047 --> 00:29:06,673
The thing that I say about
Mexico being an optimal time,
429
00:29:06,756 --> 00:29:09,214
maybe that's something.
430
00:29:09,297 --> 00:29:13,506
This is very documentary,
intellectual...
431
00:29:13,589 --> 00:29:14,923
In this situation,
432
00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:19,589
I see there are four basic
philosophies for which...
433
00:29:19,673 --> 00:29:22,089
Great. I don't give a shit.
434
00:29:22,172 --> 00:29:23,798
I don't even know
the word philosophy.
435
00:29:23,881 --> 00:29:25,923
I'm a typical person
watching this.
436
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,130
I mean,
I... Nothing against being myself.
437
00:29:32,881 --> 00:29:35,297
Now, to,
to put this on pause a second.
438
00:29:36,547 --> 00:29:38,130
So again,
I have to keep in mind,
439
00:29:38,214 --> 00:29:40,506
who's the typical
person that's seeing this?
440
00:29:40,589 --> 00:29:43,673
If you go to all of the wealthy,
educated people
441
00:29:43,756 --> 00:29:45,506
and they all see this film,
and whatever,
442
00:29:45,589 --> 00:29:47,172
you're not gonna change Mexico.
443
00:29:47,255 --> 00:29:48,756
It's not gonna work.
444
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,214
I don't... Do you... I don't
think I need to see much more.
445
00:29:51,297 --> 00:29:54,381
I think you need to
rethink this. It's essential.
446
00:29:54,464 --> 00:29:56,089
I agree.
447
00:29:56,172 --> 00:29:58,089
- Okay. - Thanks.
448
00:29:58,172 --> 00:30:00,130
- So I'll speak to you later.
- Yes, you will.
449
00:30:00,214 --> 00:30:02,047
- Later, later. - I gotta think.
450
00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:03,673
This is funny.
451
00:30:03,756 --> 00:30:07,005
- - I knew I'd mess things up.
452
00:30:07,089 --> 00:30:09,005
Yeah, I knew you would, too.
453
00:30:09,089 --> 00:30:11,422
HE MADE PEOPLE FEEL
REALLY SHIT ABOUT THEMSELVES
454
00:30:11,506 --> 00:30:12,881
SO THAT THEY WOULD FEEL
455
00:30:12,964 --> 00:30:16,005
THEY OWED SO MUCH MORE
THAN THEY WERE GIVING
456
00:30:18,005 --> 00:30:20,339
HE REALLY WORKED EMILIANO
457
00:30:20,422 --> 00:30:23,089
ABOUT THE POWER AND
CORRUPTION OF HIS FAMILY,
458
00:30:23,172 --> 00:30:27,130
AND USED THAT TO TRY TO CONVINCE
EMILIANO THAT HE HAD A LOT TO DO
459
00:30:27,214 --> 00:30:28,673
TO FIX WHAT HIS FAMILY HAD DONE,
460
00:30:28,756 --> 00:30:31,756
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID
WITH CLARE AND SARA, AS WELL.
461
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,089
Bye-bye.
462
00:30:33,172 --> 00:30:35,839
Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
463
00:30:36,881 --> 00:30:38,464
YOU FELT LIKE SHIT,
464
00:30:38,547 --> 00:30:41,130
AND HE WAS THE ONLY
ONE THAT COULD FIX IT.
465
00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:56,422
I mean, it's a long story.
466
00:30:58,255 --> 00:31:00,214
Um, 30-second version.
467
00:31:00,297 --> 00:31:02,464
Lived here for 12 years.
Was part of an organization
468
00:31:02,547 --> 00:31:04,148
that turned out to be
a very dangerous cult.
469
00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:06,714
Blew the whistle on human
trafficking and sex trafficking.
470
00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:09,005
Now there's a massive
federal investigation underway.
471
00:31:09,089 --> 00:31:11,255
This is the first time
we're back in a year.
472
00:31:12,756 --> 00:31:14,523
Do you mind if I
ask what they're called?
473
00:31:14,547 --> 00:31:17,047
The umbrella
company is NXIVM. N-X-I-V-M.
474
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:18,673
- No way.
- That's the one!
475
00:31:18,756 --> 00:31:21,756
I actually had a meeting with
them one time, accidentally.
476
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:41,130
Right? Like, just that...
477
00:31:48,964 --> 00:31:50,255
And it's weird. I don't know.
478
00:31:50,339 --> 00:31:52,273
It starts off,
it feels like real answers.
479
00:31:52,297 --> 00:31:54,714
Like,
I think the experience you had was weird.
480
00:31:54,798 --> 00:31:56,631
But there are different ways that,
like...
481
00:31:56,714 --> 00:31:59,381
For us, we came in because we had real,
legitimate,
482
00:31:59,464 --> 00:32:01,547
good experiences with people.
483
00:32:01,631 --> 00:32:04,089
And it was people we trusted.
484
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,130
- So...
- Yeah. No, I think it all starts
485
00:32:06,214 --> 00:32:08,673
with someone you know,
essentially, right?
486
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:11,214
No. No.
487
00:32:11,297 --> 00:32:13,673
I dragged her in.
488
00:32:13,756 --> 00:32:15,172
Yeah.
489
00:32:15,255 --> 00:32:17,589
I think the
hardest thing is the shame.
490
00:32:17,673 --> 00:32:21,339
It's easy to think that people
are stupid for getting involved.
491
00:32:22,005 --> 00:32:24,089
And I don't think we're stupid.
492
00:32:24,172 --> 00:32:26,923
I think we're sensitive,
good people, and...
493
00:32:27,005 --> 00:32:28,506
It's just... it's hard.
494
00:32:30,673 --> 00:32:32,839
- Not anymore. - Not anymore.
495
00:32:53,005 --> 00:32:54,297
This is our life.
496
00:32:54,381 --> 00:32:57,756
Oh, geez.
497
00:33:02,255 --> 00:33:04,381
It was a whole apartment.
498
00:33:10,714 --> 00:33:12,130
Look what I found.
499
00:33:12,214 --> 00:33:14,547
First one I had as
a camera assistant.
500
00:33:14,631 --> 00:33:16,798
- Wow.
- That's my action figure.
501
00:33:16,881 --> 00:33:18,756
I've got very long arms.
502
00:33:20,714 --> 00:33:22,506
I wrote this book.
503
00:33:23,422 --> 00:33:25,005
In another life.
504
00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:28,297
It's a lot of shit
to go through.
505
00:33:30,506 --> 00:33:32,881
I mean, I've got modules, here.
506
00:33:35,589 --> 00:33:38,923
"World Audience."
"Pain and Suffering."
507
00:33:40,381 --> 00:33:42,422
Oh, Shifter strategy!
508
00:33:43,464 --> 00:33:46,172
- Oh, you got "Shifter" there?
- Yep.
509
00:33:46,255 --> 00:33:49,339
"The term 'Shifter'
does not usually refer to a person,
510
00:33:49,422 --> 00:33:53,089
"but rather to a strategy that
is an unlimited form of cheating.
511
00:33:53,172 --> 00:33:55,130
"HAVE YOU EVER
SEEN A MAGIC TRICK
512
00:33:55,214 --> 00:33:58,255
THAT WAS SO INCREDIBLE THAT YOU
COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW IT WAS DONE?"
513
00:33:58,339 --> 00:34:00,297
Oh, wait. How do you do that?
514
00:34:02,589 --> 00:34:04,398
"Maybe you wanted
to watch it again and again
515
00:34:04,422 --> 00:34:05,506
"to try to figure it out.
516
00:34:05,589 --> 00:34:07,148
"Then one day,
you learned how it was done
517
00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:09,422
"and you couldn't believe
that you were taken in by it.
518
00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,339
It became so obvious to you."
519
00:34:11,422 --> 00:34:13,631
- Tails. -
520
00:34:13,714 --> 00:34:14,964
Tails.
521
00:34:15,047 --> 00:34:17,297
"We do not live in a world
that plays by the rules.
522
00:34:17,381 --> 00:34:19,422
If you and I are
playing a game..."
523
00:34:19,506 --> 00:34:21,381
And I'm cheating and you're not,
524
00:34:21,464 --> 00:34:24,214
chances are, I'm gonna win.
Unless you discover my cheating.
525
00:34:24,297 --> 00:34:26,589
- Hand goes faster than the quarter does.
- Oh!
526
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:29,047
- Right. -
527
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:34,714
Ooh, what's this?
528
00:34:34,798 --> 00:34:37,381
Someone
with very low self-esteem.
529
00:34:37,464 --> 00:34:39,172
"Whenever this person
sees something good,
530
00:34:39,255 --> 00:34:41,130
"they want to suppress
it and destroy it.
531
00:34:41,214 --> 00:34:44,589
These people never have
anything nice to say about anyone."
532
00:34:46,589 --> 00:34:50,339
AFTER I LEFT, I HEARD THAT I
WAS BEING CALLED A SUPPRESSIVE.
533
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:53,673
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK
QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
534
00:34:59,506 --> 00:35:03,339
IN ESP, WE LEARNED THAT EVERYONE
HAS SUPPRESSIVE TENDENCIES.
535
00:35:03,422 --> 00:35:06,047
WE ALL HAVE NARCISSISTIC TRAITS.
536
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:08,506
BUT A FULL SUPPRESSIVE
IS SOMEONE WHO,
537
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:10,673
LIKE, REALLY HAS BAD INTENT,
538
00:35:10,756 --> 00:35:12,255
AND WANTS TO HURT PEOPLE.
539
00:35:12,339 --> 00:35:15,714
THAT WAS DESCRIBED IN
THE MODULE "THE FALL."
540
00:35:15,798 --> 00:35:18,005
THERE'S AN
INTERESTING BOOK WRITTEN, UH,
541
00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:20,673
poem, actually,
"Paradise Lost," by Milton.
542
00:35:20,756 --> 00:35:24,422
Written a while ago. It's
about the fall of Lucifer
543
00:35:24,506 --> 00:35:26,089
from the Garden of Eden.
544
00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:28,506
At one point,
he's personifying Lucifer,
545
00:35:28,589 --> 00:35:31,756
and Lucifer looks
up and sees Heaven,
546
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:35,172
and then sees Heaven's creation,
which is man.
547
00:35:35,255 --> 00:35:39,589
And you know what Lucifer's
first reaction to man is?
548
00:35:39,673 --> 00:35:42,381
He is amazed by man.
549
00:35:43,297 --> 00:35:46,964
He admires, even loves, man.
550
00:35:47,047 --> 00:35:49,005
One can interpret that.
551
00:35:49,089 --> 00:35:51,464
But then you know
what his reaction is?
552
00:35:51,547 --> 00:35:55,464
"That creature reminds
me of what I lost.
553
00:35:55,547 --> 00:35:58,339
"The perfection of that creature
554
00:35:58,422 --> 00:36:02,297
"brings such hate,
such memories,
555
00:36:02,381 --> 00:36:05,547
"such awful things in
me. I must destroy that.
556
00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:09,464
I don't want to see Heaven
embodied anywhere."
557
00:36:09,547 --> 00:36:12,047
So he seeks to destroy.
558
00:36:15,464 --> 00:36:18,798
SO, "THE FALL" WAS DESCRIBED AS,
LIKE, THIS DISCOVERY
559
00:36:18,881 --> 00:36:21,172
THAT A PERSON CAN MAKE.
560
00:36:21,255 --> 00:36:25,130
THAT IF THEIR SELF-ESTEEM GETS SUPER,
SUPER LOW,
561
00:36:25,214 --> 00:36:27,506
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
A TON OF OPTIONS
562
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:29,172
IF THEY DESTROY
THEIR CONSCIENCE,
563
00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:31,464
AND BY HURTING PEOPLE
564
00:36:31,547 --> 00:36:33,255
OR BY DOING DESTRUCTIVE THINGS,
565
00:36:33,339 --> 00:36:36,089
THEY ACTUALLY CAN FEEL GOOD.
566
00:36:36,172 --> 00:36:39,089
This is what Vanguard
terms a Luciferian.
567
00:36:39,172 --> 00:36:42,923
It's the worst possible
thing that could ever occur,
568
00:36:43,005 --> 00:36:45,798
because Luciferians
look like you,
569
00:36:45,881 --> 00:36:47,798
and they seem to act like you,
570
00:36:47,881 --> 00:36:49,339
but they are nothing like you.
571
00:36:49,422 --> 00:36:51,464
It's like an aching. They
wake up in the morning,
572
00:36:51,547 --> 00:36:54,798
and they feel
vengeful. They feel bad.
573
00:36:54,881 --> 00:36:57,881
And the only thing that can
relieve that gut, that pain,
574
00:36:57,964 --> 00:37:01,964
is to go out and destroy
and to exercise power.
575
00:37:11,923 --> 00:37:13,756
KEITH DID SEEM TO HAVE,
576
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,381
LIKE,
A FASCINATION WITH PSYCHOPATHS,
577
00:37:16,464 --> 00:37:18,464
AND PEOPLE WHO WERE REALLY EVIL,
578
00:37:18,547 --> 00:37:20,589
OR HAD, HAD NO CONSCIENCE.
579
00:37:21,964 --> 00:37:25,172
If those people of what
we call anti-conscience,
580
00:37:25,255 --> 00:37:27,881
the Luciferic people,
didn't exist,
581
00:37:27,964 --> 00:37:29,714
we'd have to invent them.
582
00:37:29,798 --> 00:37:31,547
They're very important for us.
583
00:37:31,631 --> 00:37:34,255
- MM-HMM.
- IT'S A REAL PARTNERSHIP.
584
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:37,506
AND SUCH A PERSON
COULD EVEN ARGUE THAT
585
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,547
genetically, they are superior.
586
00:37:39,631 --> 00:37:41,756
They're not burdened
by a conscience.
587
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:43,964
They're not burdened
by a system of honor.
588
00:37:44,047 --> 00:37:45,381
They're Machiavellian.
589
00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:47,923
The sociopath, who doesn't
have the circuitry in the brain,
590
00:37:48,005 --> 00:37:50,255
looks at everything
like a video game.
591
00:37:50,339 --> 00:37:51,940
And because they
look at things like that,
592
00:37:51,964 --> 00:37:53,923
they have more
degrees of freedom
593
00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:55,756
than an empathy-feeling person.
594
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,589
The truth of the matter is,
sociopaths have made us what we were.
595
00:37:58,673 --> 00:38:01,798
If it weren't for sociopaths,
we wouldn't understand compassion.
596
00:38:05,172 --> 00:38:06,506
Yeah.
597
00:38:08,047 --> 00:38:10,172
I THOUGHT THAT THAT
WAS JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED
598
00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:13,339
to help people not
become that way,
599
00:38:13,422 --> 00:38:15,422
and know what
they were looking at,
600
00:38:15,506 --> 00:38:18,798
so they could avoid being
hurt by people like that.
601
00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:22,130
But I think ultimately,
what he was doing was just
602
00:38:22,214 --> 00:38:24,381
putting everything
in plain sight.
603
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:28,798
I HAD THE KIND OF LOVE
WITH KEITH THAT WAS UNEASY,
604
00:38:28,881 --> 00:38:32,047
BECAUSE I LOVED HIM
AND I WAS AFRAID OF HIM.
605
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:21,214
It feels like, uh...
606
00:39:21,297 --> 00:39:24,130
I looked into Hell
and I got stuck there.
607
00:39:27,756 --> 00:39:30,255
I feel super fucked up.
608
00:39:32,339 --> 00:39:33,923
I READ THE DOCUMENT
ON MY COMPUTER.
609
00:39:34,005 --> 00:39:37,172
It was just called "V.doc."
610
00:39:37,255 --> 00:39:39,631
The "V" was the nickname
611
00:39:39,714 --> 00:39:42,798
for Keith Raniere,
like Vanguard.
612
00:39:44,339 --> 00:39:46,339
I didn't know what it was,
and I just, like,
613
00:39:46,422 --> 00:39:50,005
opened it up and I read it,
and I was like, "What the fuck?"
614
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:53,214
And it's basically...
It's like a story idea...
615
00:39:53,297 --> 00:39:55,547
that he came up with.
616
00:39:55,631 --> 00:39:59,547
And, um, basically about,
like, a corporation
617
00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:01,297
where there's like a,
618
00:40:01,381 --> 00:40:03,255
a good guy that's
running the corporation,
619
00:40:03,339 --> 00:40:06,381
and there's like this
mentor character.
620
00:40:06,464 --> 00:40:10,923
And the good guy kind of
realizes that there's a psychopath...
621
00:40:11,005 --> 00:40:14,923
that's in the system,
trying to destroy everything.
622
00:40:15,005 --> 00:40:18,756
And the punchline in the end is
that he realizes that the mentor,
623
00:40:18,839 --> 00:40:22,631
who he thought was a good guy,
is actually the psychopath.
624
00:40:24,297 --> 00:40:26,130
And it just...
625
00:40:26,214 --> 00:40:30,089
I was fucking horrified,
'cause it's like, "You fucker.
626
00:40:30,172 --> 00:40:32,089
"Ten years ago, you showed me
627
00:40:32,172 --> 00:40:34,339
exactly what you
were gonna do to me."
628
00:40:36,631 --> 00:40:38,255
And I know this
is what he wanted,
629
00:40:38,339 --> 00:40:40,214
'cause this is fun.
630
00:40:40,297 --> 00:40:43,047
It was the best
practical joke ever.
631
00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:06,714
Oh, Jesus. The hair!
632
00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:17,255
Now that your hair's out of the way,
it's much better.
633
00:41:17,339 --> 00:41:18,506
Not bad.
634
00:41:24,089 --> 00:41:25,673
You're not gonna do that,
are you?
635
00:41:25,756 --> 00:41:28,381
- -You didn't do that, did you?
636
00:41:44,756 --> 00:41:46,589
How would you
respond to somebody
637
00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:49,005
who believes that the
cause of violence is poverty?
638
00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:50,464
IT IS POVERTY.
639
00:41:50,547 --> 00:41:53,631
HOW DO YOU DEFINE
POVERTY? POVERTY OF WHAT?
640
00:41:53,714 --> 00:41:55,339
Let me just tie that together.
641
00:41:55,422 --> 00:41:56,732
- Are you rolling?
- I'm rolling.
642
00:41:56,756 --> 00:41:58,381
How was the exposure? Good?
643
00:41:58,464 --> 00:42:00,357
- It was good.
- We're still rolling, guys?
644
00:42:00,381 --> 00:42:02,172
Okay. Let's go
back to that question,
645
00:42:02,255 --> 00:42:04,589
which was basically,
how would you respond to somebody
646
00:42:04,673 --> 00:42:06,589
who says the cause
of violence is poverty?
647
00:42:06,673 --> 00:42:10,005
Well, uh,
it is poverty, actually.
648
00:42:10,089 --> 00:42:12,339
Uh, but a poverty of what?
649
00:42:12,422 --> 00:42:15,381
You're born into a rich family.
650
00:42:15,464 --> 00:42:17,881
You're not stealing anything,
per se.
651
00:42:17,964 --> 00:42:19,422
But you haven't earned it.
652
00:42:19,506 --> 00:42:22,214
You're born into a rich family.
653
00:42:22,297 --> 00:42:25,547
That means you haven't stolen anything,
per se.
654
00:42:25,631 --> 00:42:27,464
But you haven't earned it,
either.
655
00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:29,297
But imagine a $10 bill.
656
00:42:29,381 --> 00:42:31,547
Do you know what
that $10 bill means?
657
00:42:31,631 --> 00:42:34,881
Some person in Mexico is
probably willing to work, what?
658
00:42:34,964 --> 00:42:36,464
A day?
659
00:42:36,547 --> 00:42:40,214
So you hold the life
of the whole family
660
00:42:40,297 --> 00:42:42,381
in your hand when you hold...
661
00:42:42,464 --> 00:42:43,547
that $10 bill.
662
00:42:43,631 --> 00:42:46,297
AND YOU GO AND SPEND
A $10 BILL ON WHAT?
663
00:42:46,381 --> 00:42:48,047
DRINKS AT A BAR?
664
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,881
That's what I
think of your family.
665
00:42:49,964 --> 00:42:51,547
That's what I think
of your efforts.
666
00:42:51,631 --> 00:42:53,547
That's what I think of a
whole day of your work.
667
00:42:53,631 --> 00:42:56,297
Just spend it on
a drink at a bar.
668
00:42:56,381 --> 00:42:58,214
I just piss it off.
669
00:42:58,297 --> 00:42:59,881
I piss on your family.
670
00:42:59,964 --> 00:43:02,506
I piss on your whole family.
671
00:43:10,881 --> 00:43:13,381
TONI ZARATTINI HAD
TO RESHOOT EVERYTHING.
672
00:43:13,464 --> 00:43:16,631
ALL HIS STUFF AGAIN,
TO GIVE TRIBUTE TO RANIERE.
673
00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:49,881
Done,
done to him for a long period of time?
674
00:43:50,631 --> 00:43:51,964
Okay.
675
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:55,589
I WAS A FUCKING SERVANT.
676
00:43:55,673 --> 00:43:57,381
I mean, I was a...
677
00:43:58,673 --> 00:44:01,381
I was obedient to him.
678
00:45:00,798 --> 00:45:02,339
I know.
679
00:45:02,422 --> 00:45:05,422
I know he gets pleasure in this.
680
00:45:06,923 --> 00:45:10,172
This is one of those things
where if you got stabbed in the soul,
681
00:45:10,255 --> 00:45:13,631
and there's no way... There's
nothing that's gonna make it better.
682
00:45:14,714 --> 00:45:16,255
And he's done
that to my friends.
683
00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:17,923
He's done that to my wife.
684
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:21,839
And he knows he did.
685
00:45:23,005 --> 00:45:25,589
And that was his joy.
686
00:45:37,297 --> 00:45:39,297
THIS IS SILVER BAY,
687
00:45:39,381 --> 00:45:41,172
WHERE V WEEK WAS.
688
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,214
AND I DO HAVE SOME
REALLY NICE MEMORIES
689
00:45:44,297 --> 00:45:46,798
OF, LIKE,
WALKING ACROSS THE GRASS.
690
00:46:00,798 --> 00:46:02,923
THIS PLACE IN
THE FALL IS BEAUTIFUL.
691
00:46:03,005 --> 00:46:04,645
I MEAN,
THE WHOLE MOUNTAIN IS JUST ORANGE,
692
00:46:04,714 --> 00:46:07,506
AND THERE'S A LAKE AND
THERE'S GREEN GRASS.
693
00:47:34,422 --> 00:47:36,339
Hey, boo,
it's Sally. Do you want to take it?
694
00:47:36,422 --> 00:47:38,839
- I'll go outside and call her.
- Here.
695
00:47:38,923 --> 00:47:40,381
Okay.
696
00:47:40,464 --> 00:47:41,923
- No. What? - No.
697
00:47:44,047 --> 00:47:45,964
- No! - Fuck me.
698
00:47:51,047 --> 00:47:52,089
Oh, my God.
699
00:47:54,547 --> 00:47:55,756
Fuck.
700
00:47:57,172 --> 00:47:58,339
Fuck!
701
00:47:58,422 --> 00:48:00,023
- I'll tell you what, Sally.
- Put it in the thread.
702
00:48:00,047 --> 00:48:02,231
- Fuck me!
- I don't have my phone. My phone's in the car.
703
00:48:02,255 --> 00:48:04,172
Can we pass this on
to the rest of the team?
704
00:48:04,255 --> 00:48:06,089
'Cause I want to
let the rebels know.
705
00:48:10,839 --> 00:48:12,631
Oh, I wanna...
706
00:48:17,172 --> 00:48:19,589
Oh, my God. I'm so happy.
707
00:48:19,673 --> 00:48:22,339
Please let me see your face.
708
00:48:22,422 --> 00:48:25,756
OH, MY GOD. I'M SO FUCKING EXCITED
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
709
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:27,959
- Catherine.
- I CAN'T EVEN SPEAK
710
00:48:28,005 --> 00:48:29,172
I'M SO EXCITED.
711
00:48:29,255 --> 00:48:31,756
Love you, Catherine!
712
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,422
Guys, it's in the press.
713
00:48:33,506 --> 00:48:35,523
- It's in the press! It's in the press.
- It's in the press.
714
00:48:35,547 --> 00:48:38,798
There you are,
darling. On the front page.
715
00:48:38,881 --> 00:48:40,798
Alleged leader
of a secret society
716
00:48:40,881 --> 00:48:43,214
accused of branding
women has been arrested
717
00:48:43,297 --> 00:48:44,297
just hours ago.
718
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:11,005
Look at this picture
of Keith Raniere
719
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:13,506
in the back of the cop car.
720
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:16,589
HE LOOKS SO UNHAPPY.
721
00:49:16,673 --> 00:49:17,964
"The defendant, Keith Raniere,
722
00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:19,981
"is scheduled to appear in
the northern district of Texas
723
00:49:20,005 --> 00:49:22,089
"tomorrow at 2:00
p.m. for arraignment.
724
00:49:22,172 --> 00:49:25,297
"The government respectfully
submits this letter in anticipation
725
00:49:25,381 --> 00:49:28,714
"of the defendant's expected removal
to the eastern district of New York,
726
00:49:28,798 --> 00:49:30,547
"AND IN SUPPORT OF THE
GOVERNMENT'S REQUEST
727
00:49:30,631 --> 00:49:32,130
FOR A PERMANENT
ORDER OF DETENTION."
728
00:49:32,214 --> 00:49:34,506
I can't believe
they're doing this.
729
00:49:34,589 --> 00:49:37,464
"THE DEFENDANT, WHO WAS
LIVING IN MEXICO PRIOR TO HIS ARREST,
730
00:49:37,547 --> 00:49:39,881
"and has access
to vast resources,
731
00:49:39,964 --> 00:49:42,673
"poses a significant
risk of flight.
732
00:49:42,756 --> 00:49:46,047
If released,
he would pose a danger to the community."
733
00:49:47,923 --> 00:49:49,881
- They got him.
- They fuckin' got him.
734
00:50:06,464 --> 00:50:09,381
FBI CREWS
RAID A HOME IN WATERFORD
735
00:50:09,464 --> 00:50:10,923
WITH APPARENT CONNECTIONS
736
00:50:11,005 --> 00:50:13,106
TO THE ALLEGED CULT IN OUR AREA.
737
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:15,411
HEY, GOOD EVENING,
CAMILLE. WHILE FBI AGENTS
738
00:50:15,464 --> 00:50:18,047
CONTINUE TO RAID THE HOME
BEHIND ME HERE IN WATERFORD
739
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:19,589
ON OREGON TRAIL.
740
00:50:19,673 --> 00:50:21,565
THEY'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY LONG,
SINCE THIS MORNING.
741
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:25,547
Now, according to neighbors,
Nancy Salzman left the home yesterday,
742
00:50:25,631 --> 00:50:28,547
after the leader of the
company she helped to start
743
00:50:28,631 --> 00:50:31,339
WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED
WITH SEX TRAFFICKING.
744
00:50:31,422 --> 00:50:33,565
SO THERE'S A
LOT OF LAYERS TO THIS THING,
745
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:35,881
BUT FIRST OF ALL, THEY GOT THIS GUY,
UH, KEITH RANIERE
746
00:50:35,964 --> 00:50:38,565
DOWN IN MEXICO AND THEY BROUGHT
HIM BACK. HE'S GOING TO BE EXTRADITED.
747
00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:41,398
NOW, RANIERE IS EXPECTED
BACK IN NEW YORK IN THE COMING DAYS.
748
00:50:41,422 --> 00:50:45,005
HE IS STILL UNDER THE
CUSTODY OF US MARSHALS.
749
00:50:45,089 --> 00:50:46,839
KEITH RANIERE IS NO LONGER
750
00:50:46,923 --> 00:50:49,339
AT THAT FEDERAL TRANSFER
CENTER IN OKLAHOMA.
751
00:50:49,422 --> 00:50:51,881
RIGHT NOW, RANIERE IS ON A BUS
752
00:50:51,964 --> 00:50:55,214
ON HIS WAY BACK TO NEW YORK.
753
00:50:55,297 --> 00:50:57,732
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A
CRIMINAL CAUSE FOR AN ARRAIGNMENT.
754
00:50:57,756 --> 00:51:01,339
18M132,
UNITED STATES VERSUS KEITH RANIERE.
755
00:51:01,422 --> 00:51:04,106
- GOOD AFTERNOON.
- GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. RANIERE.
756
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:05,381
GOOD AFTERNOON.
757
00:51:05,464 --> 00:51:07,214
HAVE YOU SEEN A
COPY OF THE COMPLAINT
758
00:51:07,297 --> 00:51:09,381
THAT HAS BEEN FILED
AGAINST YOU IN THIS CASE?
759
00:51:09,464 --> 00:51:11,964
- YES, YOUR HONOR.
- OKAY.
760
00:51:12,047 --> 00:51:13,839
IN LIGHT OF THE
NATURE OF THE CHARGES
761
00:51:13,923 --> 00:51:16,631
AND THE, UH, EVIDENCE LAID
OUT IN THE GOVERNMENT'S LETTER,
762
00:51:16,714 --> 00:51:20,589
THE COURT IS GOING TO ISSUE A
PERMANENT ORDER OF DETENTION.
763
00:51:20,673 --> 00:51:22,214
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT,
MR. RANIERE?
764
00:51:22,297 --> 00:51:24,464
- YES, YOUR HONOR.
- OKAY.
765
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,339
Good afternoon, everybody.
766
00:51:30,422 --> 00:51:32,339
We just wanna say, um,
767
00:51:32,422 --> 00:51:35,422
Mr. Raniere, uh,
denies these allegations.
768
00:51:35,506 --> 00:51:38,422
We are looking forward
to a swift resolution.
769
00:51:38,506 --> 00:51:40,547
We're not waiving
any speedy trial time.
770
00:51:40,631 --> 00:51:42,839
We don't think the government
can prove these things,
771
00:51:42,923 --> 00:51:45,089
and we look forward
to our day in court.
772
00:51:45,172 --> 00:51:46,772
Some people might say that, uh,
773
00:51:46,839 --> 00:51:50,422
simply by virtue of the
fact that he fled to Mexico,
774
00:51:50,506 --> 00:51:53,226
if that's the right word,
that's... those are the acts of the guilty.
775
00:51:53,255 --> 00:51:54,839
Keith Raniere did
not flee to Mexico.
776
00:51:54,923 --> 00:51:57,589
We will explain what happened
at the appropriate time.
777
00:51:57,673 --> 00:52:00,339
HE'S MAINTAINING
HIS INNOCENCE. I MEAN,
778
00:52:00,422 --> 00:52:03,381
to hear him say that, I mean,
what comes to mind?
779
00:52:03,464 --> 00:52:06,381
He's a sociopath. Of course he's
going to maintain his innocence.
780
00:52:06,464 --> 00:52:08,224
It's very hard for me
to be in this courtroom
781
00:52:08,255 --> 00:52:10,923
because my,
my daughter is a victim of this man.
782
00:52:11,005 --> 00:52:12,589
If you listen to
what he has to say,
783
00:52:12,673 --> 00:52:15,422
he claims, you know,
no one involved in this is a victim.
784
00:52:15,506 --> 00:52:17,130
But, but India is, in your mind.
785
00:52:17,214 --> 00:52:19,214
India... They're... Ultimately,
they're all victims
786
00:52:19,255 --> 00:52:22,214
of,
of Keith Raniere. Ultimately.
787
00:52:22,297 --> 00:52:24,315
If you could say something
to your daughter right now?
788
00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:25,798
I love you. Come home.
789
00:52:25,881 --> 00:52:29,631
THIS IS A CASE
ABOUT HOW GROWN ADULTS
790
00:52:29,714 --> 00:52:31,589
are intimate with each other,
791
00:52:31,673 --> 00:52:34,798
and the choices that
grown adults make,
792
00:52:34,881 --> 00:52:37,172
in terms of how
to live their lives.
793
00:52:37,255 --> 00:52:39,506
THERE ARE WELL-KNOWN
GROUPS OF MEN
794
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:41,297
THAT BRAND THEMSELVES.
795
00:52:41,381 --> 00:52:43,005
IT'S UTTERLY UNCONTROVERSIAL.
796
00:52:43,089 --> 00:52:45,547
BUT A GROUP OF WOMEN
DECIDE TO BRAND THEMSELVES,
797
00:52:45,631 --> 00:52:47,881
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN,
WE ASSUME THAT THEY'RE VICTIMS.
798
00:52:47,964 --> 00:52:51,547
Quite frankly, I think this is something
that women very much can do
799
00:52:51,631 --> 00:52:54,214
on their own,
as a matter of their own free choice.
800
00:52:54,297 --> 00:52:57,255
AND I, I ASSURE YOU,
I'VE SPOKEN TO MANY WOMEN.
801
00:52:57,339 --> 00:52:59,047
AND THEY'VE GIVEN
ME THEIR REASONS.
802
00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:00,964
This was their choice.
803
00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,506
RANIERE NOT
THE ONLY MEMBER OF NXIVM...
804
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:05,315
ALLISON
MACK'S IN A WORLD OF HURT.
805
00:53:05,339 --> 00:53:06,940
SHE WAS
ARRAIGNED IN FEDERAL COURT
806
00:53:06,964 --> 00:53:09,798
ON CHARGES OF SEX
TRAFFICKING AND FORCED LABOR.
807
00:53:09,881 --> 00:53:12,339
What do you say
about the charges against you?
808
00:53:12,422 --> 00:53:15,047
Were you involved in a sex cult?
809
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:18,172
THE ALLEGED FINANCIAL
BACKER OF THE OPERATION,
810
00:53:18,255 --> 00:53:20,964
CLARE BRONFMAN,
WAS ALSO INDICTED TODAY.
811
00:53:21,047 --> 00:53:25,506
I HAVE NEVER SEEN
BAIL SET AS HIGH AS IT WAS TODAY.
812
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:27,172
CLARE BRONFMAN COULD GO FREE.
813
00:53:27,255 --> 00:53:30,673
ALL SHE HAD TO DO
WAS POST $100 MILLION.
814
00:53:30,756 --> 00:53:32,673
Do you have anything to say?
815
00:53:32,756 --> 00:53:34,398
ARRESTED TODAY, NANCY SALZMAN,
816
00:53:34,422 --> 00:53:36,506
THE CO-FOUNDER AND
PRESIDENT OF NXIVM,
817
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:38,422
AS WELL AS HER DAUGHTER,
LAUREN SALZMAN.
818
00:53:38,506 --> 00:53:40,798
IF CONVICTED OF THESE,
UH, CHARGES,
819
00:53:40,881 --> 00:53:43,214
THEY'RE LOOKING AT A
MAXIMUM OF 20 YEARS.
820
00:53:43,297 --> 00:53:45,798
You co-founded this group,
Nancy.
821
00:53:45,881 --> 00:53:49,631
Any comment? Why do
you think you were misguided by Raniere?
822
00:53:55,798 --> 00:53:58,297
NOW,
WHEN KEITH AND I GOT TOGETHER,
823
00:53:58,381 --> 00:54:02,172
he asked me if I wanted
him to be my mentor.
824
00:54:02,255 --> 00:54:05,923
AND I SAID,
"I WOULD DO ANYTHING TO BE YOUR STUDENT."
825
00:54:06,005 --> 00:54:08,214
AND HE SAID TO ME, "NOT SO FAST.
826
00:54:08,297 --> 00:54:10,422
"IF YOU'RE GOING
TO WORK WITH ME,
827
00:54:10,506 --> 00:54:14,297
you have to work with
me for the rest of your life."
828
00:54:24,005 --> 00:54:27,130
LOYALTY IS GOOD
IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS,
829
00:54:27,214 --> 00:54:30,130
AND VERY BAD IN OTHER CONTEXTS.
830
00:54:30,214 --> 00:54:32,756
WE TALK ABOUT GETTING
LOST IN THE MOVIE.
831
00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:37,547
WE'RE KIND OF LOST IN
THE ROLE OF OUR LIFE.
832
00:54:37,631 --> 00:54:40,923
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS STOP
BELIEVING THAT THAT'S WHO YOU ARE.
833
00:54:41,005 --> 00:54:43,130
THEN YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR ROLE.
834
00:54:58,339 --> 00:55:00,482
- -Electronic
voice: THIS CALL IS FROM...
835
00:55:00,506 --> 00:55:01,964
KEITH RANIERE.
836
00:55:02,047 --> 00:55:04,923
AN INMATE AT A FEDERAL PRISON.
837
00:56:40,697 --> 00:56:42,697
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