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♪ (MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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WOMAN: ESP NXIVM was a tool
set to help people
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be the ideal version
of themselves.
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It really felt like I had
this secret book of knowledge
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about people, about society.
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And that's where I feel like
I got hooked.
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It was so rewarding to share
ESP with people.
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I remember saying to them,
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"I wanna bring this
to Vancouver."
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Mark and I opened the center
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and I felt like I was finding
it all.
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Then DOS came around.
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One day, Lauren said, "I wanna
tell you about something."
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It's a vow of obedience
for women
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and a lifetime commitment.
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Lauren told me to start
making a list of people
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that I wanted to do this with.
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It became recruit, recruit,
recruit,
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are they giving collateral?
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There were so many things
that were not okay
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in a very short period of time.
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I'm sitting with
four other women,
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I'm naked, I think I'm in
Allison Mack's house,
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and I just got branded.
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I looked in the mirror
and saw it.
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Keith's initials.
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I'm gonna film this.
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I'm trying to step away
and do the right thing.
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I am passing over
the Vancouver Center.
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Do not involve anyone else
in this.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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(seagulls cawing)
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Sarah Edmondson:
My first goal was "get out."
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My plan was to
leave ESP quietly.
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It was just about escaping.
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Preservation of my family.
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But when I realizedhow many women thatI'd brought to the community,
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who were in DOS,
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I mean, that was a whole,
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a whole different level
of, "what the fuck?"
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I decided to startcalling peopleand getting them out.
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And part of that was tomake sure there weren'tmore branding sessions.
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I brought in so many people
to ESP,
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so I feel a responsibility.
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You need to email her,
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and say, "You enrolled me
into this based on a lie.
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"I want my photos back,
I want my videos back,
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before I go to a lawyer."
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You have a feeling, like,
get the fuck out of here.
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Those feelings are there to
protect you. It's part of being human.
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Edmondson:
You're going to be okay,
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and the question for you is,
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do you want to help
get other people out?
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Edmondson:
When you start telling people,
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they're going to be outraged.
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"You agreed to being a slave?"
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"Yeah, but it was an exercise."
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To be a slave?
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What do you... There's no exercise.
You are now somebody's slave.
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What does that
even fucking mean?
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♪
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Right. So then I think what we'll do is,
we'll talk to Catherine.
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Edmondson (on phone): Okay,
great.
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Mark Vicente: The parents
are the way to get to the kids.
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Bonnie Piesse: Yep.
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♪
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("Dream State" by
Son Lux playing)
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♪ Days we were young ♪
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♪ We took photographs of
everything we could see ♪
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♪ We had to run from it ♪
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♪ Priest and prophetess ♪
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♪ We were nothing
we would defy ♪
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♪ Oh, invisible skin ♪
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♪ Where is the world within ♪
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♪ Invincible skin ♪
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♪ It's how we all begin ♪
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(line ringing)
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- (Princess Elizabeth speaking)
- Catherine Oxenberg: Mom, hi.
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I got a call from Bonnie,
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who was involved in NXIVM.
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-And she said that she was extremely worried about India.
-Princess Elizabeth: Uh-huh.
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That she... India had been
one of her closest friends.
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And she said,
"You need to save her."
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I was like, "Well,
I always assumed that
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"India would wake up
one day on her own,
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"and I wanted to
respect her and not
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criticize her life choice."
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But she said,
"You know, Catherine,
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I don't know if you know
what's really going on right now."
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And apparently,
there's a secret organization within NXIVM.
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It's a supposed sisterhood.
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They sign a lifetime
vow of obedience.
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They have to provide blackmail
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that would compromise
them or their families,
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and they're branding girls.
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- (Princess Elizabeth
speaking) - Yes.
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I mean, it's so far...
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This is not my child.
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This is not anything
that my child would do.
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(ethereal music playing)
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♪
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Piesse: I felt like India
was my little sister.
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(laughter)
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I first met her at an intro that
Mark and Sarah were doing.
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Edmondson: For us,
it's really helpful to know
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who you are,
and what it is that you want.
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Piesse: She was very sweet,
but she was quite shy.
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And I really liked her.
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But we didn't get close
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until she started spending
more time doing ESP stuff.
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India Oxenberg:
My belief in myself.
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I think I'm scared of...
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not doing well.
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Piesse: In the beginning,
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I felt that she was
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settling for, like,
a small life.
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And as she continued in ESP,
she started blossoming.
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(crowd applauding)
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I never pushed the
stripe path on her,
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but when she expressed
that she might want to do it,
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I wanted to take
her under my wing
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and guide her
through that process.
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I thought we could do
this journey together.
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But I started to see really
concerning behavior with India.
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I noticed she was
counting calories.
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It seemed like she
was starving herself.
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I would catch her in lies,
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which was strange to me.
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And then, she told me that
she was gonna move to Albany.
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That she'd been working
on a secret project
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with Keith and Allison.
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♪
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I believe India's in danger.
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So I got in touch
with Catherine.
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Catherine Oxenberg: I never
go through people's stuff.
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So I'm very conflicted,
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because I'm violating
her privacy right now.
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But, if any of this information
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could actually
help us get her out,
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I'm willing to do that.
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- April of 2016.
- Vicente: Okay.
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So, had she moved there yet?
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Piesse: I believe she
moved to Albany in May.
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She started going to intensives
there and just kind of stayed there.
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There's a bunch of
notes that she wrote,
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so I don't know
if any of this stuff
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could give us
some insight into...
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- Vicente: Can I see this bottom?
- Yeah. Look at all of this.
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"Personal mission statement
for the rest of my life.
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"Willing to put in the effort to
make things better for the future,
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"because you have
a vision for the world.
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"Willing to put in the work now,
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and protect the
innocence in the world."
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I will not be the kind of woman
who spends my life believing..."
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Is that "fact" or "fear"? See?
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"Believing fear"?
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Catherine Oxenberg: Here she says,
"What is my motivation?
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"How will I use the
tool of a low-cal diet
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"to build the me that I want?
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"Plan attachment
collateral write-up.
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KR talk. Vow."
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- Piesse: Oh, really?
- Vicente: Oh, it's in there?
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Oh, my God.
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"KR intimacy."
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- Catherine Oxenberg: KR. That's Keith.
- Piesse: Yep.
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- Vicente: Mm-hmm.
- Piesse: The women vow something to Keith.
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Their understanding is that
he's giving such a gift to them
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that they're helping themselves.
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They wear a chain to
symbolize whatever that vow is.
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Catherine Oxenberg: Yeah, chain.
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- Piesse: Chain.
- Catherine Oxenberg: Mm-hmm.
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(sighs)
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This is India.
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- Piesse: Aw.
- Catherine Oxenberg: She's so cute.
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-Piesse: I love that. That's the India I know.
-Catherine Oxenberg: Yes.
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Piesse: She's pretending to meditate,
right?
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-She's got an eye open.
-Right, exactly. That's who she was.
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She was like the cheeky girl.
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That's pre-ESP.
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- And then, cult.
- That's more recent. Yeah.
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Catherine Oxenberg: And
I was really worried about
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her behavior there, actually.
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'Cause she was very distracted.
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She was on two
phones the whole time.
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I'm trying to find a reason why.
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I thought she was the happiest,
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most evolved,
well-adjusted child imaginable.
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Piesse: How about that's why?
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They're the people they go for.
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- What? - Yeah!
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People keep trying to fucking
tell me it's because you're deficient,
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and you're weird and you're
damaged and you're vulnerable.
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No,
they go for the people who are successful,
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easy people to get along with.
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Capable of doing things. That's,
that's who they want to run their cult.
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Especially if you're trying
to get credibility. Look at this.
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- She's beautiful. - Mm-hmm.
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They go after beautiful people,
too.
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Piesse: People don't understand
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what it's like to
be in this thing.
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Like, how could you, you know?
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And that's why I think
people getting to tell their story
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is the most important thing.
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(waves crashing)
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Jane: Since leaving DOS,
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I've noticed that
it's easy for people
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to put things in categories.
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Like this is all bad,
or this is all good.
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And I tend to keep weighing
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the complexities of
this whole situation.
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What is manipulation
and what is consent?
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What motivations are pure?
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And the reason I don't want
you to know my real name
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or see my real face,
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is that I don't
want to be defined
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by those who would judge
me for the choices that I made.
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Anyone can make the
decisions that I made.
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Anyone can be Jane.
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So, I'm just gonna start
from the very beginning...
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before I became a part of DOS.
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I was living in New York City
trying to make it and hustle
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as a freelance filmmaker.
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And I had been getting work,
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but I wasn't necessarily
getting any happier.
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I would wake up unsure why
there still was something lacking.
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And I felt lonely.
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Struggling with certain
friendships with women.
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But things changed
when I met Rachel.
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I wanted to make a documentary
about a female urban farmer.
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And someone told me,
"I know exactly who you're looking for."
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She was so honest and
seemed so comfortable in her skin.
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We had this
immediate connection.
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It sounds kind of simple,
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but I really liked
her as a person
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and I wanted her in my life.
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♪
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She said,
"There's something that I'm involved in
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"that I think you would
be really interested in.
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"And it's really
changed my life.
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"But before I share it with you,
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"it's very confidential,
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"and I need you to come
up with some collateral
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"to prove that you won't share
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any of this information
with anyone else."
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And I was like,
"Are you kidding me?" (laughing)
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She said,
"What are you so scared of?
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"If you trusted your word,
you could put this stuff easily down
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"and know that you
would never break it.
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"Can you see how
this is potentially why
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"you're failing in other
areas of your life?
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You just can't trust yourself."
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(mouse clicks)
253
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So,
I gave her videos and photos.
254
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A letter to my brother about
his girlfriend cheating on him.
255
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And passwords to all of
my social media accounts.
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She accepted that.
257
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And then she told me about DOS.
258
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But she called it "the vow."
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♪
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It was a vow to grow
beyond your excuses,
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and challenge all of your fears.
262
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And to accept her
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as, like,
my teacher and my guide.
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But it would be under the name of
something a little bit more controversial
265
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which was "master" and "slave."
266
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And that definitely threw me.
267
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I'm surprised. This is a black
woman who's agreed to do this.
268
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And I'm a little shocked that
this is something she's accepting.
269
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And she said,
"You know, trust me.
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I've worked through a
lot of reactions to this."
271
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And then she said, "You know,
you're already a slave to your fear.
272
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"What we need to be
stronger women in the world
273
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"is to focus on what
are you afraid of
274
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"and how can you
break those fears?
275
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"So, you'll be my slave,
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but it will be for you."
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♪
278
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She was giving me an opportunity
279
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to be a friend to a woman
in a really deep way.
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Offering me this world of
being honest with myself.
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And happy with my life.
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I couldn't say no.
283
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♪
284
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So,
I moved to Albany for two weeks,
285
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which then turned
into four weeks.
286
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And then I just stayed.
287
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That's how it began.
288
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She asked me to
make a list of goals.
289
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One of them was lose weight.
290
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And she said,
"I'm also consulting with my Master,
291
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"who is your Grandmaster,
292
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"and we think that this is
a very good place to start.
293
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"Losing weight is like
the most tangible way
294
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"for you to see
your limitations.
295
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It's just one doorway
into your growth."
296
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And that's when the
calorie counting began.
297
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(whoosh)
298
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(phone bloops)
299
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I had to request
for all of my calories.
300
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"Master,
may I please have 84 calories?"
301
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"Master,
may I please have 92 calories?"
302
00:16:58,964 --> 00:17:01,172
"I want to build a
relationship with my body
303
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"that is loving, kind,
present, and aware.
304
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"To not use food as a way
of escaping my discomfort.
305
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"It is something that I'll
have to work at consistently
306
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to develop myself."
307
00:17:15,798 --> 00:17:19,964
A typical day in Albany
was waking up at 6:00 a.m.,
308
00:17:20,047 --> 00:17:22,798
doing a one-to
two-minute cold shower,
309
00:17:22,881 --> 00:17:26,464
and then a meditation or,
like, journaling.
310
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Make breakfast,
measure everything.
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Take a picture of it. Ask
permission for my calories.
312
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I would do editing work that
I had been getting freelance.
313
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Get lunch,
measuring my calories.
314
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More work,
and throughout the day,
315
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being ready for
readiness drills.
316
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-(phone dings) -Which is when
you get a text from your Master.
317
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You respond "RM,"
which is "Ready, Master."
318
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You have to respond
within a minute.
319
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-And you had to be ready any time of day for that.
-(phone dings)
320
00:17:59,464 --> 00:18:00,923
(phone dings)
321
00:18:01,005 --> 00:18:04,673
It was about having people
that I had to be accountable to,
322
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and a routine of things that
you try to get done every day.
323
00:18:07,631 --> 00:18:11,255
Things that you told
yourself you wanted to do.
324
00:18:11,339 --> 00:18:14,464
And there was something
about it that was really fun.
325
00:18:14,547 --> 00:18:16,756
Like,
I have the Force behind me.
326
00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,798
It's like Jedi training.
327
00:18:20,214 --> 00:18:21,923
"I'm taking on the
process of discipline
328
00:18:22,005 --> 00:18:25,464
"because I want to trust
myself to do what I say I will do,
329
00:18:25,547 --> 00:18:29,422
"no matter how bad or
uncomfortable it feels.
330
00:18:29,506 --> 00:18:32,631
"I want to be someone
my friends can rely on,
331
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"and be the kind of
person who I admire.
332
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"This is a lifelong commitment.
333
00:18:38,381 --> 00:18:40,339
No turning back."
334
00:18:40,422 --> 00:18:43,339
♪
335
00:18:44,798 --> 00:18:46,506
Through this whole experience,
336
00:18:46,589 --> 00:18:51,214
I don't have the full
picture of what DOS is.
337
00:18:52,381 --> 00:18:54,172
I don't know how
many women are in it,
338
00:18:54,255 --> 00:18:57,964
and Rachel makes it very clear
that I am under no circumstances
339
00:18:58,047 --> 00:19:01,005
to speak to anyone about it.
340
00:19:01,089 --> 00:19:03,964
And she said, "You'll get to
find out who your Grandmaster is,
341
00:19:04,047 --> 00:19:06,339
but you need to prove yourself."
342
00:19:10,381 --> 00:19:11,923
Allison Mack: Before I met you,
343
00:19:12,005 --> 00:19:13,464
somebody had asked
me in an interview
344
00:19:13,547 --> 00:19:16,464
what I wanted to do in,
you know, my career, like,
345
00:19:16,547 --> 00:19:18,065
if I could do one thing,
what would I do.
346
00:19:18,089 --> 00:19:20,190
And I said I wanted to change
the way that young women
347
00:19:20,214 --> 00:19:23,005
thought and felt
about themselves.
348
00:19:23,089 --> 00:19:25,756
I felt like I knew what
I didn't want to be,
349
00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:28,839
- but I didn't know what to supplant that with.
- Mm-hmm.
350
00:19:31,047 --> 00:19:33,881
Jane: Allison was
really interesting to me.
351
00:19:34,964 --> 00:19:37,005
She seemed very self-aware,
352
00:19:37,089 --> 00:19:39,964
and honest about her own flaws.
353
00:19:40,047 --> 00:19:44,464
I guess given the nature of where I
feel I am right now in my own journey,
354
00:19:44,547 --> 00:19:47,339
I feel like such a young
student on this path.
355
00:19:47,422 --> 00:19:48,673
(giggling)
356
00:19:48,756 --> 00:19:51,673
Jane: She was very sweet to me.
357
00:19:51,756 --> 00:19:54,964
There was a sort of
pampering she would do.
358
00:19:56,547 --> 00:19:58,798
I remember she took
me to New York City.
359
00:19:58,881 --> 00:20:00,422
She took me shopping.
360
00:20:00,506 --> 00:20:05,089
And she got me to get,
like, really thin jeans.
361
00:20:05,172 --> 00:20:07,631
It sort of felt like
having an older sister
362
00:20:07,714 --> 00:20:11,172
make you up, or something.
363
00:20:11,255 --> 00:20:14,673
At this point, I'm guessing
that Allison is Rachel's Master,
364
00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:16,673
and my Grandmaster.
365
00:20:18,297 --> 00:20:22,047
She would talk about
this all-women collective
366
00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:24,130
to build a better self,
367
00:20:24,214 --> 00:20:27,381
and make a better world
through that process.
368
00:20:27,464 --> 00:20:28,881
♪
369
00:20:28,964 --> 00:20:31,422
We could be, like,
thousands of women.
370
00:20:31,506 --> 00:20:34,089
We could be millions
of women doing this.
371
00:20:37,381 --> 00:20:39,714
Which is a beautiful mission.
372
00:20:39,798 --> 00:20:42,464
And now I know that
there are other women.
373
00:20:44,714 --> 00:20:48,756
Woman: This is the
wonderful and amazing India.
374
00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:50,673
- Are you happy? - I am happy.
375
00:20:50,756 --> 00:20:53,631
Woman: Yay! (laughing)
376
00:20:55,297 --> 00:20:57,964
Jane: India was the first
woman who was revealed to be,
377
00:20:58,047 --> 00:20:59,839
like, one of my aunties.
378
00:21:01,506 --> 00:21:04,005
She was in DOS, under Allison.
379
00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:08,547
Meeting India
for the first time,
380
00:21:08,631 --> 00:21:11,255
I remember I was
really charmed by her.
381
00:21:11,339 --> 00:21:14,464
-(giggling) -Jane: Jesus,
you're gonna kill it.
382
00:21:14,547 --> 00:21:20,714
Jane: And so relieved to have
somebody to talk to about DOS.
383
00:21:20,798 --> 00:21:23,005
So I felt very close with her.
384
00:21:28,964 --> 00:21:30,339
(chuckles softly)
385
00:21:38,005 --> 00:21:41,673
India Oxenberg: Yeah,
I do come from a really bizarre background.
386
00:21:41,756 --> 00:21:44,005
My grandma, she's a princess.
387
00:21:44,089 --> 00:21:46,297
She's related to the
British Royal Family
388
00:21:46,381 --> 00:21:48,130
and the czars of Russia...
389
00:21:48,214 --> 00:21:50,464
("Dynasty" theme song playing)
390
00:21:50,547 --> 00:21:53,172
And then I come from
a whole different side,
391
00:21:53,255 --> 00:21:56,047
which is more
modern and Hollywood.
392
00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:58,255
My parents are
from that business.
393
00:21:58,339 --> 00:21:59,381
Hi, Daddy.
394
00:22:00,714 --> 00:22:04,964
- Have a good night, darling.
- I love you, Mommy!
395
00:22:05,047 --> 00:22:08,297
India Oxenberg: I think my
background and how I was raised,
396
00:22:08,381 --> 00:22:10,130
it's a privilege.
397
00:22:10,214 --> 00:22:11,506
And I always thought,
398
00:22:11,589 --> 00:22:14,464
"What do you,
what do you do with that?"
399
00:22:14,547 --> 00:22:17,130
I think a lot of people have
stigmas of what it means
400
00:22:17,214 --> 00:22:19,673
to come from those
types of families.
401
00:22:21,047 --> 00:22:22,506
But it's not necessarily true.
402
00:22:22,589 --> 00:22:25,839
-(camera shutter clicking) -Like,
people want to be better.
403
00:22:25,923 --> 00:22:27,714
They want to do good
things in the world.
404
00:22:27,798 --> 00:22:31,673
And that's kind of what
I always wanted to do.
405
00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:33,964
Figure out what I think is good,
406
00:22:34,047 --> 00:22:36,381
and use whatever privilege I had
407
00:22:36,464 --> 00:22:38,005
to express those things.
408
00:22:38,089 --> 00:22:40,756
♪
409
00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:46,089
(waves washing,
seagulls calling)
410
00:22:47,589 --> 00:22:50,422
Catherine Oxenberg: So,
I just spoke to India.
411
00:22:50,506 --> 00:22:53,130
She thinks there's
no victims in this story.
412
00:22:53,214 --> 00:22:55,464
Everyone can make
their own decisions,
413
00:22:55,547 --> 00:22:59,631
and it's consensual, and she
should be allowed to live her lifestyle.
414
00:23:00,964 --> 00:23:03,089
And I just asked
her point-blank,
415
00:23:03,172 --> 00:23:05,214
"Are you branded?"
416
00:23:05,297 --> 00:23:06,839
And she didn't lie.
417
00:23:06,923 --> 00:23:08,589
She did admit to being branded.
418
00:23:08,673 --> 00:23:10,881
And that she thought
it was wonderful.
419
00:23:10,964 --> 00:23:13,964
She says, "Mom,
I've never felt so happy
420
00:23:14,047 --> 00:23:16,422
and purposeful in my life."
421
00:23:19,964 --> 00:23:21,798
(wind whooshing)
422
00:23:24,464 --> 00:23:26,381
Jane: Before I had
been a part of DOS,
423
00:23:26,464 --> 00:23:30,589
I didn't feel like I had the
ability to believe in anything...
424
00:23:33,506 --> 00:23:36,881
other than just buying and
using and being in the rat race.
425
00:23:36,964 --> 00:23:41,798
In Albany, we were focusing
on something really genuine.
426
00:23:44,297 --> 00:23:46,839
It was so hopeful.
427
00:23:46,923 --> 00:23:49,798
And at the same time,
really hard.
428
00:23:52,089 --> 00:23:55,339
Every day,
I had to do a failure form
429
00:23:55,422 --> 00:23:57,047
at the end of the day,
430
00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,714
looking at all the things
that you failed on that day.
431
00:24:02,339 --> 00:24:04,673
How did that affect you,
your Master,
432
00:24:04,756 --> 00:24:08,339
your Grandmaster,
your community of people.
433
00:24:11,089 --> 00:24:14,255
Thinking about how
I could be better.
434
00:24:14,339 --> 00:24:16,756
And if you did something bad,
435
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:18,881
you've made a breach.
436
00:24:20,381 --> 00:24:24,047
Which is sort of like,
you've just broken yourself.
437
00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:28,381
Because you did something that's actually
against your own morals and values.
438
00:24:30,297 --> 00:24:33,005
And you have to figure out,
what is this betrayal,
439
00:24:33,089 --> 00:24:35,631
and then figure
out how to fix it.
440
00:24:35,714 --> 00:24:39,381
You have to come up
with consequences...
441
00:24:40,589 --> 00:24:42,881
which were called "penances."
442
00:24:44,714 --> 00:24:46,798
"What's the penance
for reacting to fear
443
00:24:46,881 --> 00:24:49,714
by indulging in
pride and anger?"
444
00:24:51,381 --> 00:24:52,964
I'm gonna wake up at 5:00 a.m.
445
00:24:53,047 --> 00:24:54,798
and stand for 10 minutes.
446
00:24:54,881 --> 00:24:58,089
"What's the penance for reacting
violently to your own pain?"
447
00:24:58,714 --> 00:25:01,339
Fast the next day.
448
00:25:01,422 --> 00:25:04,714
By taking on these
self-inflicted punishments,
449
00:25:04,798 --> 00:25:08,214
I would train myself to not
do that behavior anymore.
450
00:25:09,130 --> 00:25:11,673
I was told,
"Your lack of obedience
451
00:25:11,756 --> 00:25:14,047
just shows where
you're failing."
452
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:19,214
And I started to wonder if
the more obedient I would be,
453
00:25:19,297 --> 00:25:22,673
I would actually start to
succeed more in my life.
454
00:25:29,798 --> 00:25:32,422
(phone dings)
455
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:53,089
At this point,
I was being asked to
456
00:25:53,172 --> 00:25:56,089
go lower and lower on my weight.
457
00:25:56,172 --> 00:25:58,714
And Rachel asked
me for more collateral.
458
00:25:58,798 --> 00:26:01,798
More videos, more photos,
more documents.
459
00:26:03,881 --> 00:26:06,589
I said,
"This wasn't the initial agreement."
460
00:26:06,673 --> 00:26:09,297
And she was like, "Yes, it was.
461
00:26:11,214 --> 00:26:13,631
"When you said that you
accepted me as your Master,
462
00:26:13,714 --> 00:26:17,798
that was you saying,
'I submit to you for everything.'"
463
00:26:17,881 --> 00:26:20,839
You know, "Get used to it. This
is gonna be the rest of your life."
464
00:26:24,798 --> 00:26:28,089
And there were a lot of moments
where I judged the whole process.
465
00:26:29,798 --> 00:26:32,339
You feel like,
"This is ridiculous."
466
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:37,798
I ended up having some
conversations with Allison.
467
00:26:37,881 --> 00:26:40,631
And she said all these things
that I was freaking out about
468
00:26:40,714 --> 00:26:43,756
were just fears and
limitations that I had.
469
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:47,005
And she said,
"You're so conceited.
470
00:26:47,089 --> 00:26:51,005
"Your pride is like
cellophane across your eyes.
471
00:26:52,255 --> 00:26:54,923
"And everyone
can see it but you.
472
00:26:55,005 --> 00:26:56,589
"There's so much
more beyond this,
473
00:26:56,673 --> 00:26:58,464
"but you're not
even willing to let go
474
00:26:58,547 --> 00:27:01,005
of this attachment
to your own ego."
475
00:27:02,422 --> 00:27:06,005
And that was when I
had this turning point.
476
00:27:07,381 --> 00:27:09,673
I either am gonna keep
suffering through this,
477
00:27:09,756 --> 00:27:12,214
or I need to just buck up.
478
00:27:14,756 --> 00:27:17,839
And it was also kind of
when I gave up fighting.
479
00:27:20,714 --> 00:27:22,839
As you do these practices,
480
00:27:22,923 --> 00:27:25,130
you overcome fears.
481
00:27:25,214 --> 00:27:27,839
You remove bonds of suffering,
482
00:27:27,923 --> 00:27:30,714
and replace them with joy.
483
00:27:30,798 --> 00:27:34,464
You come to have a
relationship with human pain,
484
00:27:34,547 --> 00:27:36,923
so that you have
a deep conscience.
485
00:27:37,005 --> 00:27:39,964
Because when we have a
conscience over something,
486
00:27:40,047 --> 00:27:44,214
it is marked by pain.
And that pain is good.
487
00:27:44,297 --> 00:27:45,172
Mm-hmm.
488
00:27:45,255 --> 00:27:46,964
Well,
the truth of the matter is,
489
00:27:47,047 --> 00:27:51,214
when pain is no longer
tied with suffering...
490
00:27:51,297 --> 00:27:55,881
Yeah, we do have more pain in our life,
but no suffering.
491
00:27:57,422 --> 00:28:00,005
This is my porch. (chuckles)
492
00:28:00,089 --> 00:28:01,881
And I love you
guys and I miss you,
493
00:28:01,964 --> 00:28:04,631
and I'm sending you
a big kiss. (kisses)
494
00:28:06,798 --> 00:28:11,214
Jane: My relationship with
India developed over time.
495
00:28:11,297 --> 00:28:15,964
I saw her going through similar
things emotionally that I was.
496
00:28:16,047 --> 00:28:19,089
You know,
you could tell when someone was crying.
497
00:28:20,673 --> 00:28:26,255
Going through these
roller coasters of emotion.
498
00:28:26,339 --> 00:28:30,214
I think the way India changed
is the same way I changed.
499
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,297
If I can just push against
500
00:28:33,381 --> 00:28:34,881
the things that
I feel afraid of,
501
00:28:34,964 --> 00:28:39,422
I think I'll feel a lot more
proud of what I leave behind.
502
00:28:45,673 --> 00:28:48,547
Catherine Oxenberg:
India texted me.
503
00:28:48,631 --> 00:28:52,255
She had told me that she
hadn't had a period in a year,
504
00:28:52,339 --> 00:28:55,089
and that her hair
was falling out.
505
00:28:55,964 --> 00:28:57,839
So, she went to the doctor.
506
00:28:58,464 --> 00:28:59,714
And the doctor said,
507
00:28:59,798 --> 00:29:02,005
"You have the uterine
lining of a woman
508
00:29:02,089 --> 00:29:04,547
"who's in her mid-40s.
509
00:29:04,631 --> 00:29:07,047
"You're severely
compromising your ability
510
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:09,047
"to perhaps ever reproduce.
511
00:29:09,130 --> 00:29:11,673
And you need serious
psychiatric care."
512
00:29:14,297 --> 00:29:17,130
♪
513
00:29:20,339 --> 00:29:23,214
Edmondson: I think that Nippy
and I felt responsible in some ways
514
00:29:23,297 --> 00:29:25,464
for getting India out,
515
00:29:25,547 --> 00:29:28,130
because we were
there for her first intro,
516
00:29:28,214 --> 00:29:29,839
for her first five-day.
517
00:29:31,881 --> 00:29:34,381
We were part of the team
that was ushering her in.
518
00:29:37,422 --> 00:29:40,631
So,
when I got a call from Catherine,
519
00:29:40,714 --> 00:29:43,923
I told her that we'd
do whatever we could
520
00:29:44,005 --> 00:29:45,839
to help get India back.
521
00:29:52,005 --> 00:29:55,130
Catherine Oxenberg: Now that I
have been given enough information,
522
00:29:55,214 --> 00:29:59,047
I can see how the
whole thing mapped out,
523
00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:03,422
because Bonnie said to me that
Keith always had his eye on her.
524
00:30:03,506 --> 00:30:06,339
Signaling her from across the room... "Hey,
India!"
525
00:30:06,422 --> 00:30:08,631
Like,
always trying to get her attention.
526
00:30:08,714 --> 00:30:12,172
And that her instinct
was to stay away.
527
00:30:12,255 --> 00:30:14,964
And then, all that shifted,
and she said to her,
528
00:30:15,047 --> 00:30:16,714
"Oh,
I just went on a walk with Keith."
529
00:30:16,798 --> 00:30:18,839
And she was, like,
all googly-eyed and...
530
00:30:18,923 --> 00:30:24,172
So he's got his hooks into her,
and she's no longer resisting.
531
00:30:25,756 --> 00:30:30,089
He basically manipulated this
whole thing from the beginning.
532
00:30:31,381 --> 00:30:35,130
Because then Allie Mack
went on this kind of crusade
533
00:30:35,214 --> 00:30:37,673
to befriend her and get
her away from Bonnie...
534
00:30:37,756 --> 00:30:39,023
- is what I understand.
- Edmondson: Mentor her.
535
00:30:39,047 --> 00:30:41,422
"Mentor her," yeah,
into Keith's bed.
536
00:30:45,214 --> 00:30:47,547
I will do whatever I
can to get India out.
537
00:30:47,631 --> 00:30:48,923
I promise you.
538
00:30:49,964 --> 00:30:51,589
Mm-mm.
539
00:30:51,673 --> 00:30:54,714
Edmondson: I really do
believe we can get her out.
540
00:30:54,798 --> 00:30:58,422
I honestly... I don't know how.
541
00:30:59,589 --> 00:31:02,089
♪
542
00:31:07,756 --> 00:31:10,381
(indistinct chatter)
543
00:31:28,464 --> 00:31:30,130
Mmm.
544
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:30,964
Mm-hmm.
545
00:32:34,381 --> 00:32:35,381
(laughs softly)
546
00:32:48,714 --> 00:32:50,881
(laughs, then sniffles)
547
00:33:06,005 --> 00:33:07,255
Mm-hmm.
548
00:33:20,964 --> 00:33:23,047
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
549
00:33:25,673 --> 00:33:27,089
(Allison cries softly)
550
00:33:49,047 --> 00:33:50,130
Mm-hmm.
551
00:34:15,506 --> 00:34:17,130
(laughs)
552
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:29,255
(laughing)
553
00:34:44,631 --> 00:34:47,839
Jane: Allison was just so
excited for me to meet Keith.
554
00:34:50,381 --> 00:34:52,422
It was like,
"You gotta meet Keith.
555
00:34:52,506 --> 00:34:53,714
Come to volleyball."
556
00:34:55,172 --> 00:34:59,255
She sort of inspires me
to go ask him a question.
557
00:34:59,339 --> 00:35:02,214
She said, "You know, I think it'd
be really good for you two to talk."
558
00:35:05,673 --> 00:35:06,881
Keith Raniere: Hmm.
559
00:35:27,089 --> 00:35:28,297
Jane: Mm-hmm.
560
00:35:28,381 --> 00:35:30,506
(Raniere speaking)
561
00:35:43,673 --> 00:35:44,923
Jane: Mm-hmm.
562
00:35:47,339 --> 00:35:51,381
The reason why you feel
fear is because it's not familiar.
563
00:35:51,464 --> 00:35:53,255
And the unknown is scary.
564
00:35:53,339 --> 00:35:55,839
And some of the
consequences are harsh.
565
00:35:58,047 --> 00:35:59,839
You can feel awful.
566
00:35:59,923 --> 00:36:01,673
You can feel all
sorts of things,
567
00:36:01,756 --> 00:36:03,798
and still do the right thing.
568
00:36:03,881 --> 00:36:07,089
An act of character,
you feel all those emotions,
569
00:36:07,172 --> 00:36:11,214
and there's a part of
you that is unflappable.
570
00:36:12,506 --> 00:36:14,381
Absolutely committed.
571
00:36:15,923 --> 00:36:18,214
And the first time you feel it,
it's great.
572
00:36:19,756 --> 00:36:22,756
If you want to be
a millionaire of joy,
573
00:36:22,839 --> 00:36:24,005
look at these things as
574
00:36:24,089 --> 00:36:27,130
positive affirmations
that you're on the road.
575
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:30,506
- (applause) - Thank you.
576
00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:33,714
Jane: I would take these
classes that were life changing.
577
00:36:33,798 --> 00:36:36,547
And I was like, "Oh,
this came from this man's mind."
578
00:36:36,631 --> 00:36:39,589
-I always feel funny. Thank you.
-(applause)
579
00:36:39,673 --> 00:36:42,631
Jane: So I was very
active in pursuing him.
580
00:36:42,714 --> 00:36:44,297
I was like,
"I wanna be your friend."
581
00:36:44,381 --> 00:36:46,547
You know, "If I'm gonna learn,
I wanna learn from you."
582
00:37:22,422 --> 00:37:23,589
Jane: Uh-huh.
583
00:37:48,798 --> 00:37:50,422
Jane: I felt like I
was learning from him
584
00:37:50,506 --> 00:37:53,422
and he was helping me
understanding things about myself.
585
00:37:53,506 --> 00:37:55,923
And that sort of continued on
586
00:37:56,005 --> 00:37:57,673
the more I took curriculum.
587
00:38:00,381 --> 00:38:02,172
Nancy Salzman: Our
understanding of ourselves
588
00:38:02,255 --> 00:38:03,881
as women has been muddled,
589
00:38:03,964 --> 00:38:06,381
because our culture and our
language has been dominated
590
00:38:06,464 --> 00:38:08,464
by the male principle.
591
00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:11,506
Jane: I heard about
Jness from Rachel.
592
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:13,130
It was offered solely to women
593
00:38:13,214 --> 00:38:17,297
to explore how gender
influences our role in society,
594
00:38:17,381 --> 00:38:19,422
and our relationships.
595
00:38:19,506 --> 00:38:21,964
Nancy Salzman: It's gonna
take a long time to change
596
00:38:22,047 --> 00:38:25,381
the indoctrination that kind
of goes underneath that.
597
00:38:25,464 --> 00:38:29,547
It's a societally
induced problem.
598
00:38:29,631 --> 00:38:31,631
Jane: Jness helped inform
599
00:38:31,714 --> 00:38:34,172
why we were doing what
we were doing in DOS:
600
00:38:34,255 --> 00:38:36,631
to teach women what female
empowerment looks like
601
00:38:36,714 --> 00:38:38,923
outside of a
male-dominated world.
602
00:38:40,339 --> 00:38:42,005
Pam Cafritz: When
women come out of Jness,
603
00:38:42,089 --> 00:38:44,547
they are more
understanding of the conflict
604
00:38:44,631 --> 00:38:46,297
that men and women have.
605
00:38:46,381 --> 00:38:49,130
That does not mean they
have to be submissive,
606
00:38:49,214 --> 00:38:53,005
but they actually are going to
have to fight for their point of view.
607
00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:56,756
And I think that's new
languaging for women.
608
00:38:58,214 --> 00:38:59,964
Jane: Jness was
based on Keith's ideas,
609
00:39:00,047 --> 00:39:03,297
but the person who started it
was a woman named Pam Cafritz.
610
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:07,756
She was a life partner to Keith.
611
00:39:10,089 --> 00:39:13,255
Keith asked me to film Pam.
612
00:39:14,214 --> 00:39:16,839
She was already dying of cancer
613
00:39:16,923 --> 00:39:18,130
when I met her.
614
00:39:18,214 --> 00:39:19,422
(inaudible)
615
00:39:22,464 --> 00:39:25,297
I was there when they
announced Pam's death.
616
00:39:26,255 --> 00:39:29,422
I made the memorial video.
617
00:39:29,506 --> 00:39:32,089
She could see all the
things that I didn't want to
618
00:39:32,172 --> 00:39:34,005
or couldn't see in myself.
619
00:39:34,089 --> 00:39:35,339
She would say,
620
00:39:35,422 --> 00:39:38,422
"You don't have to choose
that conventional path."
621
00:39:38,506 --> 00:39:41,631
It was like she predetermined
622
00:39:41,714 --> 00:39:43,422
my potential.
623
00:39:44,422 --> 00:39:46,297
So, I miss you, Pam.
624
00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:51,172
(sniffles)
625
00:39:52,464 --> 00:39:54,047
I'll keep practicing.
626
00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:55,589
(laughter)
627
00:39:55,673 --> 00:39:59,673
Lauren Salzman: Pam believed
in Keith and was 100% on board.
628
00:39:59,756 --> 00:40:01,881
- Like 100% trust.
- Woman: Mm-hmm.
629
00:40:01,964 --> 00:40:04,255
That it was good and that
he knew what was right,
630
00:40:04,339 --> 00:40:06,089
and that...
631
00:40:06,756 --> 00:40:08,547
that it really could happen.
632
00:40:08,631 --> 00:40:11,047
♪
633
00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:15,547
Mack: Pam truly had a connection
to what women bring to the world.
634
00:40:15,631 --> 00:40:18,214
That is so undervalued.
635
00:40:18,297 --> 00:40:23,130
She saw Jness as the key to
unlocking the power that they truly held.
636
00:40:23,964 --> 00:40:26,589
And she loved relationships.
637
00:40:26,673 --> 00:40:32,506
And Jness focuses on teaching
women how to be friends with each other.
638
00:40:32,589 --> 00:40:35,297
Jane: I was looking
through all of this footage
639
00:40:35,381 --> 00:40:38,464
of people talking about how
much she meant to them,
640
00:40:38,547 --> 00:40:41,422
and how much she loved Keith.
641
00:40:41,506 --> 00:40:43,130
I was getting to know Pam,
642
00:40:43,214 --> 00:40:46,547
and to know Keith through Pam.
643
00:40:46,631 --> 00:40:50,798
I met Pamela about 30
years ago on a ski slope.
644
00:40:50,881 --> 00:40:53,547
Cafritz: I think I was 26.
645
00:40:53,631 --> 00:40:55,923
He started explaining
where he wanted to go,
646
00:40:56,005 --> 00:40:57,130
and what he wanted to do,
647
00:40:57,214 --> 00:40:59,422
and I remember
just looking at him
648
00:40:59,506 --> 00:41:02,506
and, you know,
sensing he was different.
649
00:41:03,673 --> 00:41:05,422
He said, "Follow me."
650
00:41:05,506 --> 00:41:07,005
And I said, "Okay."
651
00:41:08,714 --> 00:41:12,089
Raniere: You're blazing a
trail. We're blazing a trail.
652
00:41:12,172 --> 00:41:17,130
It's gonna be walked on by,
hopefully, millions of people.
653
00:41:17,214 --> 00:41:20,047
When I created the modules,
I thought,
654
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:24,464
many, many people will be going
trotting through these modules.
655
00:41:24,547 --> 00:41:28,339
And hopefully, people will come
to have a deeper understanding.
656
00:41:29,172 --> 00:41:31,214
That's what this is for.
657
00:41:35,881 --> 00:41:39,756
Jane: That was a huge turning
point in my relationship to Keith.
658
00:41:44,381 --> 00:41:46,221
Raniere: When I was little,
I'd always look back
659
00:41:46,297 --> 00:41:48,172
at the different
heroes into history,
660
00:41:48,255 --> 00:41:49,732
and say, "Gee,
I wish I could be there,
661
00:41:49,756 --> 00:41:52,381
wish I could be there,
wish I could do that."
662
00:41:52,464 --> 00:41:54,255
And then coming
to the recognition
663
00:41:54,339 --> 00:41:57,255
that now is such a time,
and we are here.
664
00:41:57,339 --> 00:42:00,089
And we are doing it.
665
00:42:02,339 --> 00:42:04,506
And all provided by
all of your support.
666
00:42:04,589 --> 00:42:06,506
I, I would never imagine
667
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:08,464
that we could bring
a group together
668
00:42:08,547 --> 00:42:11,547
and we all stand together.
669
00:42:11,631 --> 00:42:14,506
And if you believe I've
done something good,
670
00:42:14,589 --> 00:42:16,005
that's important, because
671
00:42:16,089 --> 00:42:19,255
I always want to
earn my authority.
672
00:42:19,339 --> 00:42:20,589
Thank you so much.
673
00:42:22,798 --> 00:42:26,130
Jane: The dude is the leader
of this philosophical movement
674
00:42:26,214 --> 00:42:29,339
when men and women alike
are looking at him with admiration,
675
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:32,422
because he really
had changed their lives.
676
00:42:34,631 --> 00:42:37,964
But I had no notions
that he was any god
677
00:42:38,047 --> 00:42:39,631
or demigod.
678
00:42:40,422 --> 00:42:42,130
He felt familiar.
679
00:42:45,297 --> 00:42:47,881
And he said,
"You can understand things
680
00:42:47,964 --> 00:42:49,130
"that I'm explaining to you
681
00:42:49,214 --> 00:42:51,839
"much faster than other people.
682
00:42:51,923 --> 00:42:53,839
And that's really nice for me."
683
00:42:55,297 --> 00:42:58,381
And I felt very flattered
that he thought I was special,
684
00:42:58,464 --> 00:43:00,964
and that he wanted
to spend time with me.
685
00:44:07,881 --> 00:44:10,089
Jane: I remember
I was at volleyball
686
00:44:10,172 --> 00:44:12,339
after everyone had left.
687
00:44:14,255 --> 00:44:17,339
And he was asking me
about how I saw relationships.
688
00:44:17,422 --> 00:44:20,673
And how I wanted
to relate to him.
689
00:44:23,005 --> 00:44:26,047
And he would always ask me, "Well,
what do you want? What do you want?"
690
00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:28,089
Always asking what do I want.
691
00:44:29,547 --> 00:44:30,798
And I was like, "I don't know.
692
00:44:30,881 --> 00:44:32,523
"I would like to learn
from you as a person.
693
00:44:32,547 --> 00:44:34,839
"I don't necessarily think
that needs to be physical,
694
00:44:34,923 --> 00:44:36,923
but I'm open."
695
00:44:38,214 --> 00:44:39,756
And we kissed.
696
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:47,798
That was when it became more
of a physical relationship with him.
697
00:44:49,798 --> 00:44:53,172
But it was not until I lost
a certain amount of weight
698
00:44:53,255 --> 00:44:54,923
that we actually had sex.
699
00:44:58,381 --> 00:45:01,255
He would bring me
to this little library.
700
00:45:01,339 --> 00:45:03,422
It was basically like his study.
701
00:45:04,881 --> 00:45:07,089
And there's, like,
a little loft bed.
702
00:45:10,839 --> 00:45:13,130
We'd have these,
like, moments in time.
703
00:45:14,756 --> 00:45:17,589
And I would just kind
of feel loopy afterwards.
704
00:45:17,673 --> 00:45:19,798
Nauseous and shaky.
705
00:45:21,172 --> 00:45:22,839
Strange in my body.
706
00:45:24,923 --> 00:45:26,673
You know,
I would ask him about it.
707
00:45:26,756 --> 00:45:28,476
He was like, "You know,
some people are just
708
00:45:28,547 --> 00:45:31,381
"really,
really sensitive to energy.
709
00:45:31,464 --> 00:45:34,798
And what I'm doing is I'm
giving you a lot of energy."
710
00:45:37,422 --> 00:45:39,673
Allison knew about my
relationship with Keith.
711
00:45:40,464 --> 00:45:42,047
She would say things like,
712
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,506
"Well, I know that Keith is
working with you on body stuff.
713
00:45:44,589 --> 00:45:48,381
"And some people get
really confused about that.
714
00:45:48,464 --> 00:45:50,964
But he's really just
trying to help people."
715
00:45:53,673 --> 00:45:54,881
He told me a lot of things,
716
00:45:54,964 --> 00:45:57,422
and I would ask him
why he trusted me.
717
00:45:57,506 --> 00:46:00,214
And he said,
"The reason I felt so close to you
718
00:46:00,297 --> 00:46:03,631
was because you had
given so much collateral."
719
00:46:06,798 --> 00:46:10,047
And it was then that he told
me he was the head of DOS.
720
00:46:12,839 --> 00:46:15,547
He said,
"I know what it is that you've been doing,
721
00:46:16,339 --> 00:46:19,130
"and it was my idea.
722
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:21,798
"I created it.
723
00:46:21,881 --> 00:46:23,506
"Allison is my slave,
724
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:28,005
"and I am technically
your great Grandmaster.
725
00:46:28,089 --> 00:46:32,547
And no one will ever really
know that I'm involved."
726
00:46:32,631 --> 00:46:36,506
And I was like, "So, does that mean
you can command me to do anything?"
727
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:40,756
And he said,
"I could. But I'm not going to."
728
00:46:40,839 --> 00:46:43,673
♪
729
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:48,839
His explanation of
why he created DOS
730
00:46:48,923 --> 00:46:51,923
was that he saw
women being thwarted
731
00:46:52,005 --> 00:46:55,130
by men in positions of power
732
00:46:55,214 --> 00:46:58,422
when they tried to make
a difference in the world.
733
00:46:58,506 --> 00:47:01,798
He explained that it
could be used to serve
734
00:47:01,881 --> 00:47:03,506
a larger vision.
735
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:06,631
To mobilize the things we
had been learning personally
736
00:47:06,714 --> 00:47:09,506
and apply them to
the outside world.
737
00:47:11,214 --> 00:47:13,631
And, yeah, it crossed my mind
738
00:47:13,714 --> 00:47:15,464
that it could be used for harm,
739
00:47:15,547 --> 00:47:18,172
but I wanted to believe.
740
00:47:18,255 --> 00:47:20,547
And it just comes down to that.
741
00:47:20,631 --> 00:47:22,964
I wanted to believe he was good.
742
00:47:32,422 --> 00:47:34,065
Catherine Oxenberg: I
don't know what will happen
743
00:47:34,089 --> 00:47:35,631
to get India out of there
744
00:47:35,714 --> 00:47:37,464
if she's truly
intimate with Keith
745
00:47:37,547 --> 00:47:40,297
and he's got this
Svengali hold over her.
746
00:47:41,172 --> 00:47:43,339
My mind constantly goes to,
747
00:47:43,422 --> 00:47:45,881
there's gotta be a way.
There's a gotta be a way.
748
00:47:46,714 --> 00:47:49,756
And I don't know
what that way is.
749
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:55,130
Everything they
do is intentional.
750
00:47:55,214 --> 00:47:58,589
And it's posing
as human growth...
751
00:47:59,631 --> 00:48:02,464
character building, bonding.
752
00:48:02,547 --> 00:48:04,881
And then they think they
have the moral high ground.
753
00:48:04,964 --> 00:48:06,523
- Yeah. Yeah.
- That's what pissed me off the most.
754
00:48:06,547 --> 00:48:09,130
Nippy Ames: Get the fuck
off the moral high ground.
755
00:48:10,089 --> 00:48:12,547
I wanna text Lauren,
Nancy, and Keith.
756
00:48:12,631 --> 00:48:15,923
And I want to say, "Listen,
you're gonna destroy all the collateral.
757
00:48:16,005 --> 00:48:19,547
"I'm gonna go to the police.
I'm gonna go to the FBI.
758
00:48:19,631 --> 00:48:21,214
Or I'm gonna come up there..."
759
00:48:21,297 --> 00:48:23,547
I'm not gonna say that, but...
760
00:48:23,631 --> 00:48:25,047
If I didn't have a wife and kid,
761
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:26,964
I think I'd be
in jail right now.
762
00:48:27,047 --> 00:48:29,673
'Cause I was gonna
destroy that fuckin' place.
763
00:48:31,631 --> 00:48:34,673
When I started doing research,
like, why brand?
764
00:48:34,756 --> 00:48:37,089
When a human being
goes through that,
765
00:48:37,172 --> 00:48:40,464
you're actually forcing
a dissociative state.
766
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:42,964
That you literally belong...
767
00:48:43,798 --> 00:48:46,047
to another human being.
768
00:48:47,422 --> 00:48:48,798
Do you want to see it?
769
00:48:50,339 --> 00:48:52,923
I've actually seen
pictures of your brand.
770
00:48:53,005 --> 00:48:54,631
But if you want to show me,
771
00:48:54,714 --> 00:48:56,339
I will, I will see it.
772
00:48:56,422 --> 00:48:58,339
We don't have to do it right now,
do we?
773
00:49:07,005 --> 00:49:09,506
♪
774
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:16,339
(line ringing)
775
00:49:18,714 --> 00:49:20,881
(line continues ringing,
picks up)
776
00:49:40,964 --> 00:49:42,714
Vicente: Yeah.
777
00:49:51,464 --> 00:49:52,547
Vicente: Yeah.
778
00:49:54,005 --> 00:49:57,547
Vicente: Frank Parlato used
to work for Keith and NXIVM.
779
00:49:57,631 --> 00:50:00,714
He left on bad terms,
and the company went after him.
780
00:50:01,214 --> 00:50:02,506
To fight back,
781
00:50:02,589 --> 00:50:04,589
he created a blog
called the "Frank Report"
782
00:50:04,673 --> 00:50:07,214
to share news he was
hearing about NXIVM.
783
00:50:08,673 --> 00:50:10,923
Back then,
I was very wary of him.
784
00:50:26,506 --> 00:50:28,398
Vicente: We knew there was
another branding ceremony
785
00:50:28,422 --> 00:50:29,839
that was about to happen.
786
00:50:29,923 --> 00:50:32,714
For Catherine,
the hope was that India might even read it,
787
00:50:32,798 --> 00:50:36,381
and realize, "Holy shit,
this is, this is bad."
788
00:50:36,464 --> 00:50:38,547
It was like, we cannot wait.
789
00:50:38,631 --> 00:50:40,631
W e have to get this story out,
790
00:50:40,714 --> 00:50:42,964
and Frank will report it.
791
00:50:44,589 --> 00:50:46,881
(line ringing)
792
00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:35,297
♪
793
00:51:37,673 --> 00:51:41,839
Edmondson: I decided to
tell Frank about the branding.
794
00:51:41,923 --> 00:51:43,756
It was pretty terrifying.
795
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:45,756
But my name wasn't attached,
796
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:47,589
so I felt safe.
797
00:51:47,673 --> 00:51:50,047
And by this point,
I was kind of like...
798
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:51,756
a vigilante on a mission.
799
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:54,214
I was so angry. I was like,
"Fuck you.
800
00:51:54,297 --> 00:51:56,881
You fuckin' messed
with the wrong person."
801
00:51:57,506 --> 00:51:59,798
♪
802
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:14,673
Vicente: When Frank
came out with the news,
803
00:52:14,756 --> 00:52:18,297
it sent the whole
organization into a panic.
804
00:52:18,381 --> 00:52:20,881
A lot of people began
asking questions.
805
00:52:22,673 --> 00:52:24,631
And that was the idea.
806
00:52:24,714 --> 00:52:27,172
It's not just to expose
what was going on.
807
00:52:27,255 --> 00:52:29,130
It was also about just
getting people to leave.
808
00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:30,798
Getting people away from danger.
809
00:52:30,881 --> 00:52:32,547
♪
810
00:52:36,005 --> 00:52:39,130
Jane: When the "Frank Report" came out,
I was in shock.
811
00:52:39,214 --> 00:52:40,923
I didn't know
about the branding,
812
00:52:41,005 --> 00:52:43,714
o r Keith's initials
on the brand.
813
00:52:45,089 --> 00:52:46,964
I started, for the first time,
814
00:52:47,047 --> 00:52:50,714
to realize that things
were not as they seemed.
815
00:52:52,506 --> 00:52:54,130
Then I found out
about an assignment
816
00:52:54,214 --> 00:52:56,214
that a friend of
mine had been given:
817
00:52:56,297 --> 00:52:58,214
to seduce Keith,
and take a picture
818
00:52:58,297 --> 00:53:00,589
to show that they'd
completed the task.
819
00:53:01,631 --> 00:53:05,130
And I have a huge freak-out.
820
00:53:07,798 --> 00:53:09,589
And Keith got on
the phone with me.
821
00:53:10,714 --> 00:53:12,172
He said, "Are you okay?"
822
00:53:12,255 --> 00:53:13,565
I was like,
"No. I feel pretty unsafe."
823
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:14,964
He was like, "Unsafe with me?"
824
00:53:15,047 --> 00:53:16,130
I was like, "Yes."
825
00:53:17,756 --> 00:53:19,714
And I wanted answers from him.
826
00:53:20,339 --> 00:53:21,881
If something is so good,
827
00:53:21,964 --> 00:53:25,589
how could it have
gotten this bad?
828
00:53:25,673 --> 00:53:28,172
He said, "Different Masters
have different approaches
829
00:53:28,255 --> 00:53:29,589
with their slaves."
830
00:53:30,547 --> 00:53:32,589
And I have to respect that.
831
00:53:34,297 --> 00:53:36,255
Which didn't make sense to me.
832
00:53:40,756 --> 00:53:44,756
I kept asking questions
about why this was okay.
833
00:53:44,839 --> 00:53:47,839
And his arguments
were all framed around
834
00:53:47,923 --> 00:53:50,673
what I wanted and
what I was scared of.
835
00:53:51,923 --> 00:53:54,964
And yet,
he didn't answer my questions.
836
00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:58,673
He's such a good salesman.
837
00:54:01,255 --> 00:54:02,839
And the longer I talked to him,
838
00:54:02,923 --> 00:54:06,464
the more I realized the
depth of the deception.
839
00:54:08,798 --> 00:54:10,798
It was about control.
840
00:54:17,964 --> 00:54:22,089
At the time,
I hadn't shared anything with anyone.
841
00:54:22,172 --> 00:54:25,506
And there was this woman
who I knew was in DOS.
842
00:54:27,381 --> 00:54:30,214
We make a plan that we're
gonna spend some time and talk.
843
00:54:32,673 --> 00:54:36,255
I just sort of
dumped everything.
844
00:54:36,339 --> 00:54:39,547
And I just remember the
horrified look on her face.
845
00:54:42,005 --> 00:54:45,923
I hadn't thought of myself
as having been traumatized
846
00:54:46,005 --> 00:54:47,881
until that moment.
847
00:54:50,172 --> 00:54:53,005
I was sort of like,
"Well, what do we do?"
848
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:55,172
And she was like,
"We fucking leave!"
849
00:54:58,047 --> 00:55:00,339
This option was opened.
850
00:55:00,422 --> 00:55:03,047
"Oh,
that is something that I can do."
851
00:55:04,673 --> 00:55:07,255
I was terrified
about my collateral.
852
00:55:07,881 --> 00:55:09,714
But I just wanted out.
853
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:14,673
So,
we made a plan to leave together.
854
00:55:21,047 --> 00:55:24,089
I ended up talking
to India before I left.
855
00:55:26,673 --> 00:55:28,756
I asked her to go
on a walk with me.
856
00:55:30,214 --> 00:55:32,255
She said, you know,
"I heard you're leaving."
857
00:55:32,339 --> 00:55:33,589
I was like, "Yes."
858
00:55:33,673 --> 00:55:35,714
She said, "Well,
I'm gonna miss you."
859
00:55:37,422 --> 00:55:40,714
I was asking her how she felt
about what people were saying.
860
00:55:41,964 --> 00:55:45,631
And she said, "You know,
I don't feel like a victim.
861
00:55:45,714 --> 00:55:49,422
"I'm going through tough
shit but I feel like I'm stronger.
862
00:55:49,506 --> 00:55:50,714
"And I feel really cared for.
863
00:55:50,798 --> 00:55:53,714
And so,
my experience is really different."
864
00:55:56,589 --> 00:55:58,005
She seemed very confident
865
00:55:58,089 --> 00:56:00,255
that what she was
doing was the right thing.
866
00:56:02,172 --> 00:56:05,631
And she said, "I hope you...
867
00:56:05,714 --> 00:56:08,047
you know,
find what you're looking for."
868
00:56:09,464 --> 00:56:11,255
(waves crashing)
869
00:56:15,172 --> 00:56:17,464
When you leave
something like this,
870
00:56:17,547 --> 00:56:20,130
you're not just
losing your memories,
871
00:56:20,214 --> 00:56:22,339
or your community.
872
00:56:22,422 --> 00:56:26,464
You're losing this idea of
what you were fighting for, too.
873
00:56:28,297 --> 00:56:31,297
And that's really
hard to rebuild.
874
00:56:34,631 --> 00:56:38,214
The only authority that
can lead your life is you.
875
00:56:38,297 --> 00:56:40,881
And I'm just grateful
that I know what it's like
876
00:56:40,964 --> 00:56:44,047
to give that away...
877
00:56:44,130 --> 00:56:47,589
so that I can feel the
power of taking it back again.
878
00:56:54,631 --> 00:56:57,297
♪
879
00:57:02,214 --> 00:57:03,673
(phone dings)
880
00:57:14,839 --> 00:57:16,255
Catherine Oxenberg:
There's no way
881
00:57:16,339 --> 00:57:19,547
with a child that I've
known for 26 years,
882
00:57:19,631 --> 00:57:22,756
that she would be involved,
condone,
883
00:57:22,839 --> 00:57:25,673
the things that she's
participating in right now.
884
00:57:25,756 --> 00:57:26,881
There's no way.
885
00:57:29,464 --> 00:57:32,506
She's convinced herself
that being branded
886
00:57:32,589 --> 00:57:34,631
with some man's initials,
887
00:57:34,714 --> 00:57:37,130
and being recruited for sex...
888
00:57:38,422 --> 00:57:41,172
that that's a good thing
and this is character building.
889
00:57:43,255 --> 00:57:47,005
This organization
has taken my child.
890
00:57:49,923 --> 00:57:53,047
And I will do
whatever it takes...
891
00:57:54,297 --> 00:57:55,673
to get her back.
892
00:57:59,214 --> 00:58:02,464
("Lanterns Lit" by
Son Lux playing)
893
00:58:02,547 --> 00:58:04,673
♪
894
00:58:16,297 --> 00:58:18,631
♪ Memory rushes in ♪
895
00:58:18,714 --> 00:58:21,881
♪ Then washes you away ♪
896
00:58:23,964 --> 00:58:27,881
♪ I am losing you to the sea ♪
897
00:58:28,714 --> 00:58:31,172
♪
898
00:58:31,255 --> 00:58:35,297
♪ I'll keep my lanterns lit ♪
899
00:58:38,798 --> 00:58:42,714
♪ I'll keep my lanterns lit ♪
900
00:58:46,297 --> 00:58:50,589
♪ I'll keep my lanterns lit ♪
901
00:58:53,422 --> 00:58:57,881
♪ I'll keep my lanterns lit ♪
902
00:59:00,047 --> 00:59:05,589
♪ You just could
not last forever ♪
903
00:59:05,673 --> 00:59:08,047
♪ Could you ♪
904
00:59:15,756 --> 00:59:17,422
INTERVIEWER:
905
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:20,839
The central thing was how
extraordinarily vulnerable
906
00:59:20,923 --> 00:59:22,839
we are as people.
907
00:59:23,381 --> 00:59:25,297
♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
908
00:59:25,631 --> 00:59:27,381
MARK: The New
York Times said to me
909
00:59:27,631 --> 00:59:30,172
I need quite a few
people on the record.
910
00:59:30,255 --> 00:59:31,774
WOMAN: I think
they're trying to attack
911
00:59:31,798 --> 00:59:33,422
anyone speaking to the press.
912
00:59:33,506 --> 00:59:36,005
MARK: How do you get
law enforcement to move?
913
00:59:36,339 --> 00:59:37,589
Blow it up in the press.
914
00:59:38,464 --> 00:59:41,273
SARAH: I couldn't talk about it 'cause I
didn't want my collateral to be released.
915
00:59:41,297 --> 00:59:42,673
He's gonna find a way to get us.
916
00:59:42,756 --> 00:59:45,130
The things written
about me are not true.
917
00:59:46,714 --> 00:59:49,130
WOMAN: They don't think
there's any urgency to this story.
918
00:59:49,214 --> 00:59:52,464
But they don't have a kid
in there that's wasting away.
919
00:59:52,547 --> 00:59:56,047
I am desperate.
Like, give us an option.
920
00:59:56,422 --> 00:59:57,839
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
921
00:59:57,863 --> 01:00:00,863
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