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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,071 --> 00:00:03,007 It's hard to explain how this case made me feel. 2 00:00:04,706 --> 00:00:07,275 It showed me the depths that people can go 3 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:09,710 to manipulate others. 4 00:00:09,745 --> 00:00:13,414 And it quickly became one of the strangest cases of my career. 5 00:00:15,661 --> 00:00:17,995 A lovely mother and daughter come home 6 00:00:18,030 --> 00:00:21,899 from an evening in Niagara Falls... 7 00:00:28,607 --> 00:00:29,719 What? 8 00:00:36,582 --> 00:00:38,916 What's wrong? 9 00:00:38,951 --> 00:00:41,586 Tell me! What's happening? 10 00:00:41,620 --> 00:00:45,089 It's Bruce. I think he's been attacked. 11 00:00:45,124 --> 00:00:47,358 - Bruce? - No. no. no. 12 00:00:47,393 --> 00:00:50,027 What if they're still inside? 13 00:00:50,062 --> 00:00:51,896 It made me sick. 14 00:00:51,930 --> 00:00:53,870 What kind of a person would attack 15 00:00:53,981 --> 00:00:56,434 an elderly gentleman in his own home? 16 00:00:56,468 --> 00:00:59,036 There's all kinds of evil out there. 17 00:01:06,939 --> 00:01:13,386 - Sync and corrections by ByDem - - www.addic7ed.com - 18 00:01:18,814 --> 00:01:22,059 I was the first female investigator 19 00:01:22,094 --> 00:01:25,062 in our homicide unit with Niagara Regional Police. 20 00:01:25,716 --> 00:01:30,571 This case was my first as a lead investigator. 21 00:01:31,069 --> 00:01:34,305 Being a woman adds a little bit of pressure. 22 00:01:34,339 --> 00:01:36,808 I'm not gonna lie. I certainly felt it. 23 00:01:36,842 --> 00:01:38,376 - Hey. - Hey. 24 00:01:39,689 --> 00:01:41,723 You want me to canvass while you check the scene? 25 00:01:41,757 --> 00:01:43,725 It's your call. 26 00:01:43,759 --> 00:01:45,660 The boss wants you as lead. Says you're ready. 27 00:01:45,695 --> 00:01:47,221 I'll be your file manager. 28 00:01:49,554 --> 00:01:50,765 Victim's in the garage. 29 00:01:54,237 --> 00:01:56,471 The crime itself occurred 30 00:01:56,505 --> 00:02:00,257 in this cute little house on this quiet street. 31 00:02:00,828 --> 00:02:04,383 Nice place to live, a wonderful community. 32 00:02:04,994 --> 00:02:07,449 Not a lot of crime. 33 00:02:07,483 --> 00:02:11,286 And yet, here we have 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,791 an elderly gentleman attacked in his own garage. 35 00:02:17,827 --> 00:02:22,330 It's shocking to see someone die like this. 36 00:02:22,365 --> 00:02:24,566 Do we know who he is? 37 00:02:26,350 --> 00:02:28,703 Bruce Firman, 72. 38 00:02:28,738 --> 00:02:30,105 Cause of death? 39 00:02:30,139 --> 00:02:31,706 Coroner's not here yet. 40 00:02:31,741 --> 00:02:33,736 It looks like a blunt force trauma to the head. 41 00:02:33,761 --> 00:02:35,243 - You saw the pipe wrench. - Yeah. 42 00:02:35,278 --> 00:02:37,712 Whose car is this? 43 00:02:37,747 --> 00:02:40,448 The victim's step-daughter, Elizabeth Gatenby, 44 00:02:40,483 --> 00:02:43,318 visiting from BC. It's a rental. 45 00:02:43,352 --> 00:02:46,655 Well, it's part of the crime scene now so let's impound it, 46 00:02:46,689 --> 00:02:48,923 get a warrant and then start the canvass. 47 00:02:48,958 --> 00:02:51,393 - Will do. - And who found the body? 48 00:02:51,427 --> 00:02:54,785 Elizabeth and her mother. Um, Margaret Benesch. 49 00:02:54,810 --> 00:02:58,366 Bruce's wife. They're at a neighbor. 50 00:02:58,968 --> 00:03:01,870 Were they inside the house when it happened? 51 00:03:01,904 --> 00:03:03,672 Apparently not. 52 00:03:03,706 --> 00:03:06,408 Well, let's make sure. So take them to the station, 53 00:03:06,442 --> 00:03:10,545 test them for blood spatter and I'll talk to them there. 54 00:03:17,015 --> 00:03:19,537 Somebody killed this elderly gentleman 55 00:03:19,562 --> 00:03:21,070 in his own home. 56 00:03:21,205 --> 00:03:22,891 And they're still out there. 57 00:03:24,208 --> 00:03:26,761 What has happened here? 58 00:03:29,799 --> 00:03:33,722 Elizabeth had seen Bruce Firman lying on the floor 59 00:03:33,747 --> 00:03:37,035 which is a difficult thing to see. 60 00:03:37,615 --> 00:03:41,810 Margaret was kind of in shock. 61 00:03:43,779 --> 00:03:47,749 There was no blood spatter on either of them. 62 00:03:47,783 --> 00:03:50,752 If they were at the scene, there would have been. 63 00:03:50,786 --> 00:03:53,755 Please have a seat. 64 00:04:00,496 --> 00:04:03,264 Was there anything missing from the house? 65 00:04:03,299 --> 00:04:05,266 We haven't... been inside yet. 66 00:04:05,301 --> 00:04:10,105 We ran next door as soon as I saw what had happened to Bruce. 67 00:04:10,916 --> 00:04:14,919 It was horrible. It could've been us! 68 00:04:16,305 --> 00:04:18,194 It's traumatic for anybody 69 00:04:18,219 --> 00:04:22,150 to come home to find a loved one dead. 70 00:04:22,184 --> 00:04:26,654 I felt like Elizabeth was very protective of her mom. 71 00:04:29,343 --> 00:04:34,175 She shielded her mother from seeing the body on the floor. 72 00:04:36,682 --> 00:04:39,740 That's what somebody should do for their mother. 73 00:04:40,035 --> 00:04:44,018 You know, it's that bond between a mother and daughter. 74 00:04:45,957 --> 00:04:48,635 - Was it a robbery? - We don't know yet. 75 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:52,714 Was the garage door tampered with when you entered? 76 00:04:55,284 --> 00:04:59,271 Is there any other way to get inside the house without breaking in? 77 00:04:59,374 --> 00:05:03,393 There's a key hidden in the flower pot in the back. 78 00:05:03,862 --> 00:05:06,494 Do you think that's how it happened? 79 00:05:06,529 --> 00:05:09,931 Don't worry. We'll figure it out. 80 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,429 I'm very sorry for your loss. 81 00:05:20,075 --> 00:05:22,595 The picture that we get of Bruce 82 00:05:22,620 --> 00:05:24,212 is that he's a decent guy, 83 00:05:24,246 --> 00:05:28,316 JUST DOING WHAT HE DID EVERY SINGLE DAY: 84 00:05:28,350 --> 00:05:32,420 coming home, putting his bike away 85 00:05:32,455 --> 00:05:36,291 before he went in to watch the news and then go to bed. 86 00:05:36,325 --> 00:05:41,429 And on this day, he never got into the house. 87 00:05:54,877 --> 00:05:56,911 The fact that the key is there, 88 00:05:56,946 --> 00:06:00,381 well, it either tells us that somebody used the key 89 00:06:00,416 --> 00:06:03,585 to get in and then they went through the trouble 90 00:06:03,619 --> 00:06:04,919 to put it back. 91 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,380 Or the key wasn't in play at all. 92 00:06:15,464 --> 00:06:17,866 We're looking for signs. We're looking for signs 93 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:21,803 of forced entry, broken window, jimmied door, 94 00:06:21,837 --> 00:06:25,773 but there was none of that in this case. 95 00:06:27,576 --> 00:06:31,479 The house was secure. There weren't signs 96 00:06:31,514 --> 00:06:34,761 of someone ransacking the house or anything like that. 97 00:06:43,325 --> 00:06:47,028 I felt that uh, this was maybe not going to be 98 00:06:47,062 --> 00:06:48,930 an easy case to solve. 99 00:06:59,341 --> 00:07:01,776 - Hi. - There you are! 100 00:07:01,810 --> 00:07:03,811 Find anything? 101 00:07:03,846 --> 00:07:05,647 The key was still in the flower box. 102 00:07:05,681 --> 00:07:08,616 There was a laptop in the kitchen. 103 00:07:09,468 --> 00:07:11,135 Did they find his wallet last night? 104 00:07:11,352 --> 00:07:14,672 Yeah, back pocket. Cash and cards were still inside. 105 00:07:15,371 --> 00:07:18,371 The door to the house was still locked. 106 00:07:24,233 --> 00:07:25,611 No marks. 107 00:07:26,569 --> 00:07:28,202 I don't think this was a robbery. 108 00:07:28,237 --> 00:07:30,972 Look, from the position of the body, 109 00:07:31,695 --> 00:07:33,611 I'm guessing he was standing right inside 110 00:07:33,636 --> 00:07:35,161 the garage door when he was hit. 111 00:07:35,224 --> 00:07:37,328 Yeah, I agree. 112 00:07:37,431 --> 00:07:39,814 Maybe a few steps in. 113 00:07:39,848 --> 00:07:43,217 So the killer was probably already inside. 114 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,788 Bruce might've been targeted. 115 00:07:48,357 --> 00:07:52,707 Has somebody targeted this older gentleman 116 00:07:52,985 --> 00:07:55,905 and why would they want to do this to him? 117 00:07:59,902 --> 00:08:03,171 Because I was the first female investigator 118 00:08:03,205 --> 00:08:07,208 in our homicide unit, I want to show that, you know, 119 00:08:07,242 --> 00:08:10,244 I'm dedicated. I can do this. I wanna do a good job. 120 00:08:10,961 --> 00:08:12,895 In some sense, 121 00:08:13,128 --> 00:08:16,384 you're wanting to prove to the others that... 122 00:08:16,418 --> 00:08:17,852 I can do this. 123 00:08:21,577 --> 00:08:24,192 Um, isn't that your job, Harrison? 124 00:08:26,295 --> 00:08:28,168 Very funny, Gamble. Sit down. 125 00:08:28,509 --> 00:08:30,264 Congratulations. 126 00:08:30,299 --> 00:08:33,468 OK, so here's what we know so far. 127 00:08:33,502 --> 00:08:36,371 Bruce Firman, 72, retired real estate agent, 128 00:08:36,405 --> 00:08:40,044 returned home after his nightly bike ride at around 129 00:08:40,069 --> 00:08:43,077 8 pm. Bludgeoned to death upon entry. 130 00:08:43,112 --> 00:08:45,380 Bruce had the same routine every night. 131 00:08:45,414 --> 00:08:47,293 Gone at seven on the bike, back at eight. 132 00:08:47,539 --> 00:08:49,350 Neighbors say you could set a watch to him. 133 00:08:49,385 --> 00:08:51,886 So what are we thinking? Robbery? 134 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,354 Sounds like an easy mark. 135 00:08:53,389 --> 00:08:55,256 Yeah, that's what I was thinking too but 136 00:08:55,290 --> 00:08:58,559 there were no signs of forced entry. His wallet was untouched. 137 00:08:58,594 --> 00:09:00,061 There was nothing missing from the house. 138 00:09:00,095 --> 00:09:01,729 There's a laptop in the kitchen 139 00:09:01,764 --> 00:09:03,097 and the hidden key was still there. 140 00:09:03,132 --> 00:09:04,932 So it's a targeted attack. 141 00:09:04,967 --> 00:09:07,568 It sure looks that way. 142 00:09:07,603 --> 00:09:10,171 Someone was waiting for Bruce inside the house. 143 00:09:10,205 --> 00:09:12,507 What do we know about him? 144 00:09:12,541 --> 00:09:14,108 Uh, Bruce was living in the house 145 00:09:14,143 --> 00:09:16,402 with his common-law wife, Margaret Benesch. 146 00:09:16,481 --> 00:09:19,414 She has a daughter, Elizabeth Gatenby. She lives in B.C., 147 00:09:19,448 --> 00:09:22,268 but she's in town visiting. They found the body... 148 00:09:22,538 --> 00:09:24,252 after having dinner in Niagara. 149 00:09:24,286 --> 00:09:26,654 How do we know they weren't in the house? 150 00:09:26,689 --> 00:09:29,624 Forensic tests found no blood spatter on either of them. 151 00:09:29,658 --> 00:09:30,925 So, it's unlikely. 152 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:32,860 And we'll be checking their alibi. 153 00:09:32,895 --> 00:09:35,376 Did you pull up his record? 154 00:09:35,456 --> 00:09:39,767 Yeah. No criminal record, no previous calls to that address. 155 00:09:39,802 --> 00:09:42,981 But... Bruce and Margaret were suing each other. 156 00:09:44,209 --> 00:09:45,810 Court records go back months. 157 00:09:45,835 --> 00:09:47,375 Looks like they were on the outs. 158 00:09:50,112 --> 00:09:53,757 Margaret's withholding important information here. 159 00:09:53,782 --> 00:09:55,249 And I wondered why. 160 00:09:55,284 --> 00:09:58,252 Firman had two sons and a daughter 161 00:09:58,287 --> 00:10:01,752 from a previous marriage. Have they been notified? 162 00:10:03,959 --> 00:10:05,159 They're all out of town. 163 00:10:05,194 --> 00:10:06,694 One of the sons is close by. 164 00:10:06,729 --> 00:10:08,129 I'll go. 165 00:10:08,163 --> 00:10:10,028 No! I'll take care of it. 166 00:10:16,338 --> 00:10:18,310 Don Firman, he had a close 167 00:10:18,335 --> 00:10:19,994 relationship with his dad. 168 00:10:20,264 --> 00:10:22,489 He knew that it wasn't a good situation 169 00:10:22,514 --> 00:10:26,354 between Margaret and Bruce. 170 00:10:27,180 --> 00:10:28,816 He knew something bad was gonna happen. 171 00:10:28,851 --> 00:10:32,653 Their relationship had fallen apart months ago. 172 00:10:32,688 --> 00:10:35,590 - What happened? - He met someone else. 173 00:10:35,624 --> 00:10:37,792 He was up front about it with her, though. 174 00:10:37,826 --> 00:10:39,160 Told her he wanted out of the relationship. 175 00:10:39,757 --> 00:10:41,825 Then why were they still living together? 176 00:10:42,792 --> 00:10:45,434 Dad was scared if he moved out, she'd change the locks 177 00:10:45,459 --> 00:10:47,183 and he'd never see any of his things again. 178 00:10:47,208 --> 00:10:50,236 They were suing each other over the house, everything inside it, 179 00:10:50,261 --> 00:10:53,307 spousal support. It was ugly. 180 00:10:53,342 --> 00:10:55,643 I mean, he wanted out, but she wanted everything. 181 00:10:57,499 --> 00:10:59,924 Did Margaret ever threaten your father? 182 00:11:01,810 --> 00:11:03,551 You kidding? 183 00:11:03,585 --> 00:11:05,820 After the last court hearing? She was so furious, 184 00:11:05,854 --> 00:11:08,856 when they got home, she threw an ashtray at his head. 185 00:11:08,891 --> 00:11:10,925 Said she'd kill him before she ever paid him a dime. 186 00:11:12,648 --> 00:11:14,328 His dad actually said to him 187 00:11:14,363 --> 00:11:16,531 "if something happens to me, 188 00:11:16,565 --> 00:11:19,066 you need to look at Margaret." 189 00:11:28,024 --> 00:11:30,020 When Don talked about Margaret, 190 00:11:30,084 --> 00:11:32,085 he talked about her as a cruel woman. 191 00:11:32,945 --> 00:11:34,554 She was so furious, when they got home, 192 00:11:34,588 --> 00:11:36,222 she threw an ashtray at his head. 193 00:11:36,257 --> 00:11:38,558 Said she'd kill him before she ever paid him a dime. 194 00:11:38,592 --> 00:11:40,852 I knew there was more to 195 00:11:40,877 --> 00:11:43,534 this story than what she was telling me. 196 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:48,577 Yes, we had our problems, we fought. 197 00:11:48,602 --> 00:11:51,204 I couldn't wait to get out of the relationship. 198 00:11:51,238 --> 00:11:52,739 But I wouldn't kill him. 199 00:11:52,773 --> 00:11:54,010 You threatened to. 200 00:11:54,424 --> 00:11:56,821 I said a lot of things I didn't mean. 201 00:11:57,837 --> 00:12:00,496 And he deserved to hear every one of them. 202 00:12:00,530 --> 00:12:04,709 Bruce Firman was a cheat, a liar and a con artist. 203 00:12:05,034 --> 00:12:08,094 He started off so charming and romantic. 204 00:12:08,610 --> 00:12:10,272 And then he turned on me. 205 00:12:10,306 --> 00:12:13,430 And all he wanted was my money, my things. 206 00:12:14,446 --> 00:12:16,673 He didn't care about me. 207 00:12:19,049 --> 00:12:22,016 Is that what happened? The money ran out? 208 00:12:24,587 --> 00:12:28,874 He met some woman in the neighborhood 209 00:12:29,271 --> 00:12:31,210 and then he decided to leave. 210 00:12:31,384 --> 00:12:33,562 But he wanted me to pay him first. 211 00:12:33,596 --> 00:12:35,754 He said he owned half the house. 212 00:12:37,419 --> 00:12:38,586 He didn't? 213 00:12:38,611 --> 00:12:40,335 No! I paid for it in full. 214 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:44,206 But he made me put his name on the deed. 215 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,676 Said it would prove I trusted him. 216 00:12:47,710 --> 00:12:50,012 I can see he made you pretty angry. 217 00:12:50,046 --> 00:12:51,930 Well, I wasn't gonna let him get away with it. 218 00:12:54,612 --> 00:12:57,619 I was going to drag through the courts. 219 00:12:59,489 --> 00:13:01,342 Not kill him. 220 00:13:02,292 --> 00:13:05,928 That woman he was seeing... she could have him. 221 00:13:05,962 --> 00:13:07,930 Do you know her name? 222 00:13:07,964 --> 00:13:10,432 Of course! Joan. 223 00:13:10,467 --> 00:13:13,135 She lives three blocks away. 224 00:13:13,169 --> 00:13:17,206 Where do you think he was going every night on his "bike ride"? 225 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,875 Ask her if you want to know what happened. 226 00:13:19,909 --> 00:13:25,280 Better still, ask the ex-wives. There were eight of them. 227 00:13:25,959 --> 00:13:28,427 What? I don't know anybody 228 00:13:28,452 --> 00:13:30,487 who had eight wives. 229 00:13:32,288 --> 00:13:35,791 Margaret's anger towards Bruce bordered on hatred. 230 00:13:38,595 --> 00:13:40,246 Maybe he was walking away 231 00:13:40,271 --> 00:13:45,167 from every relationship with a significant amount of assets. 232 00:13:45,201 --> 00:13:50,939 Is he lovin' 'em and leavin' 'em and takin' half of their stuff. 233 00:13:51,933 --> 00:13:55,711 Bruce and I had a real connection. 234 00:13:55,745 --> 00:13:58,823 At my age, that isn't easy to come by. 235 00:13:59,768 --> 00:14:00,782 So when he left, 236 00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:04,286 I got depressed. 237 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,321 I couldn't understand it. 238 00:14:06,356 --> 00:14:09,391 As I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate 239 00:14:09,425 --> 00:14:12,565 the importance of having someone there for you. 240 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,931 For a while, I thought I'd found that with Bruce. 241 00:14:15,965 --> 00:14:17,799 But I guess he didn't. 242 00:14:17,834 --> 00:14:19,401 Why not? 243 00:14:20,524 --> 00:14:23,311 He said he didn't feel the spark anymore. 244 00:14:23,555 --> 00:14:25,107 And he met someone else. 245 00:14:25,141 --> 00:14:26,808 Why did he leave? 246 00:14:26,843 --> 00:14:30,345 Why does anyone leave a relationship? 247 00:14:31,545 --> 00:14:34,983 I think he'd just had enough. Moved on. 248 00:14:35,947 --> 00:14:38,554 There's nothing malicious about it. 249 00:14:38,588 --> 00:14:41,623 He was honest about it. He told me what had happened 250 00:14:41,658 --> 00:14:45,671 and that he wanted out. And so we moved on. 251 00:14:46,179 --> 00:14:48,555 Were there ever any issues with money? 252 00:14:48,990 --> 00:14:52,334 No. We took good care of each other. 253 00:14:52,368 --> 00:14:54,102 I didn't get that love 'em and leave 'em 254 00:14:54,137 --> 00:14:56,598 and take everything sense from him. 255 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,703 The women had nothing but nice things to say about him 256 00:15:01,728 --> 00:15:04,813 and it just so happened that the relationships didn't work out. 257 00:15:06,333 --> 00:15:10,623 We went and met Bruce's girlfriend, Joan. 258 00:15:11,354 --> 00:15:13,222 Can you tell me about Bruce? 259 00:15:13,256 --> 00:15:16,558 What can I tell you? 260 00:15:16,593 --> 00:15:19,027 He was a wonderful man. 261 00:15:19,062 --> 00:15:23,599 So kind. We'd just started seeing each other. 262 00:15:23,633 --> 00:15:26,101 You really loved him. 263 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,022 Joan was the woman that he was seeing 264 00:15:31,047 --> 00:15:32,941 at the time of his death. 265 00:15:32,976 --> 00:15:35,976 My impression was that she was smitten with Bruce. 266 00:15:36,365 --> 00:15:38,880 He saw you that night, didn't he? 267 00:15:38,915 --> 00:15:41,416 Every night. He used to come over, 268 00:15:41,451 --> 00:15:44,219 we ate dinner together and then he'd leave. 269 00:15:44,254 --> 00:15:48,223 Did anything seem strange or off? 270 00:15:48,258 --> 00:15:52,227 No. It was like every other night. 271 00:15:52,262 --> 00:15:54,630 How did you two meet? 272 00:15:54,664 --> 00:15:56,498 I was walking the dog in the park 273 00:15:56,532 --> 00:16:00,702 four years ago. Just like that. 274 00:16:00,737 --> 00:16:02,371 We became best of friends. 275 00:16:02,405 --> 00:16:04,873 Confidantes. 276 00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:10,541 And then, when things started to get difficult with Margaret, 277 00:16:11,612 --> 00:16:14,416 we became something other. 278 00:16:14,450 --> 00:16:17,953 Did he ever talk to you about Margaret? 279 00:16:17,987 --> 00:16:19,643 All the time. 280 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,983 He was frightened of her, Detective. 281 00:16:23,078 --> 00:16:25,240 To sleep, he'd prop up a chair against 282 00:16:25,265 --> 00:16:27,996 the bedroom door just in case. 283 00:16:30,059 --> 00:16:34,303 When I think of what that poor man must've gone through. 284 00:16:42,278 --> 00:16:45,855 You can call me... every day if you like. 285 00:16:54,390 --> 00:16:58,093 Joan was the total opposite of Margaret. 286 00:16:58,127 --> 00:17:01,229 It seemed pretty clear she didn't have any reason 287 00:17:01,264 --> 00:17:03,999 to kill Bruce. 288 00:17:06,035 --> 00:17:09,037 We checked the laptop. It belongs to Elizabeth. 289 00:17:09,072 --> 00:17:11,373 - Find anything? - Nothing much. 290 00:17:11,407 --> 00:17:13,442 What about Bruce's real estate clients? 291 00:17:13,476 --> 00:17:15,844 Everyone we spoke to seemed happy with him. 292 00:17:15,878 --> 00:17:18,947 Besides, he hasn't worked as an agent in years. 293 00:17:18,981 --> 00:17:22,320 Bruce seemed to leave things off amicably. 294 00:17:22,571 --> 00:17:24,439 Except with Margaret. 295 00:17:25,209 --> 00:17:27,356 That fits with the case files. 296 00:17:27,390 --> 00:17:31,193 Bruce's lawyer sent them in. It's a lot to go through, 297 00:17:31,227 --> 00:17:33,772 but they definitely were not amicable. 298 00:17:34,184 --> 00:17:36,198 In the end, it seems like he was just trying to get back 299 00:17:36,232 --> 00:17:39,267 a few things that he paid for. She wouldn't accept. 300 00:17:39,302 --> 00:17:41,269 Margaret made it sound like he was trying 301 00:17:41,304 --> 00:17:43,157 to take everything from her. 302 00:17:45,908 --> 00:17:48,410 - Where you going? - To check on their alibi. 303 00:17:48,444 --> 00:17:51,010 We don't even know for sure they were actually in Niagara 304 00:17:51,035 --> 00:17:52,472 the night Bruce was killed. 305 00:17:52,497 --> 00:17:55,684 You look at Margaret and she's a petite, 306 00:17:55,718 --> 00:17:58,854 older lady. 307 00:17:58,888 --> 00:18:01,857 So you kind of wonder how could she have done this, 308 00:18:01,891 --> 00:18:06,443 but definitely wondering if she had something to do with it. 309 00:18:06,996 --> 00:18:08,830 I do remember her. 310 00:18:08,865 --> 00:18:11,633 They sat right over there. The mom was facing outside. 311 00:18:11,667 --> 00:18:14,035 I'll have a tea. 312 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:16,883 Coffee for me and a tea for my mother, please. 313 00:18:16,908 --> 00:18:18,111 OK. 314 00:18:18,136 --> 00:18:19,908 Do you remember all your tables that well? 315 00:18:19,942 --> 00:18:22,544 No, they were just... 316 00:18:22,578 --> 00:18:24,907 the daughter needed a lot of attention. 317 00:18:24,970 --> 00:18:27,783 Oh, and by the way, um, about the water for the tea, 318 00:18:27,817 --> 00:18:29,651 is it freshly boiled or is it from a spout? 319 00:18:29,685 --> 00:18:31,420 It's from the machine. 320 00:18:31,454 --> 00:18:33,188 Oh, well, that's not acceptable. 321 00:18:33,222 --> 00:18:35,056 The water needs to be freshly boiled 322 00:18:35,091 --> 00:18:36,391 before you put a tea bag in it. 323 00:18:36,426 --> 00:18:39,127 She wanted the water freshly boiled 324 00:18:39,162 --> 00:18:41,748 instead of from a machine. Something like that. 325 00:18:42,248 --> 00:18:44,201 Do you remember what time they were here? 326 00:18:44,511 --> 00:18:46,594 They left around... 7:45 pm? 327 00:18:49,305 --> 00:18:51,506 Thank you. 328 00:18:53,245 --> 00:18:55,889 We clearly know that they were in Niagara Falls... 329 00:19:00,831 --> 00:19:04,166 but we also needed to look at how long it would take 330 00:19:04,271 --> 00:19:06,425 to get back to St. Catharines. 331 00:19:08,925 --> 00:19:12,214 So I timed the drive from the restaurant to Bruce's home. 332 00:19:13,841 --> 00:19:16,919 And we did the drive a few times actually. 333 00:19:17,872 --> 00:19:21,282 We wanted to make sure that the time line we were looking at 334 00:19:21,307 --> 00:19:23,505 was accurate. 335 00:19:27,104 --> 00:19:30,569 There is no way that Elizabeth and Margaret could have been 336 00:19:30,594 --> 00:19:32,581 in St. Catharines at the time of the homicide. 337 00:19:32,615 --> 00:19:34,549 It was impossible. 338 00:19:39,898 --> 00:19:45,214 At this point, the investigation is not really progressing. 339 00:19:46,071 --> 00:19:48,906 We don't have a strong suspect. 340 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:52,151 Margaret has a solid alibi. 341 00:19:52,349 --> 00:19:54,183 She couldn't have been at the scene. 342 00:19:54,218 --> 00:19:56,591 But something still wasn't sitting right with me. 343 00:19:56,758 --> 00:19:58,321 Where do we go from here? 344 00:20:00,624 --> 00:20:02,309 I want to bring Elizabeth in. 345 00:20:02,532 --> 00:20:04,600 Why lean on her? 346 00:20:04,634 --> 00:20:08,270 It isn't gonna look great, a family member with a solid alibi? 347 00:20:08,305 --> 00:20:10,606 Something isn't right about it. 348 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,042 I thought several witnesses saw them there. 349 00:20:13,076 --> 00:20:17,095 Well, that's just it. Everyone I spoke to in Niagara remembered them. 350 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:18,689 Even though they were strangers. 351 00:20:18,935 --> 00:20:20,970 Especially Elizabeth. 352 00:20:21,004 --> 00:20:23,530 They all said she needed a lot of attention. 353 00:20:24,123 --> 00:20:25,212 Attention. 354 00:20:25,237 --> 00:20:29,274 Yeah, it's like... it's like she was putting on a show. 355 00:20:29,472 --> 00:20:31,790 Well, that's not acceptable. The water needs to be 356 00:20:31,815 --> 00:20:33,983 freshly boiled before you put a tea bag in it. 357 00:20:34,017 --> 00:20:38,120 It's like she wanted to be remembered. 358 00:20:38,622 --> 00:20:41,008 You can't always explain the hunch, 359 00:20:41,059 --> 00:20:43,637 but you can never discount it. 360 00:20:44,589 --> 00:20:47,191 I think you have to trust your gut. 361 00:20:47,225 --> 00:20:48,993 So we brought her in. 362 00:20:49,027 --> 00:20:52,763 Detective Sergeant Gamble was a former polygraph analyst. 363 00:20:52,798 --> 00:20:55,032 You're in from BC, right? 364 00:20:55,067 --> 00:20:57,068 I run a youth center there. 365 00:20:57,102 --> 00:20:59,003 Good at reading people. 366 00:20:59,037 --> 00:21:00,347 That must be demanding. 367 00:21:00,372 --> 00:21:02,406 It's a 24h a day, that's for sure. 368 00:21:02,441 --> 00:21:05,104 There's always someone in crisis. 369 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,190 Always someone who needs help. But we do what we can. 370 00:21:09,872 --> 00:21:14,468 I was interested in what he felt she was all about. 371 00:21:14,595 --> 00:21:17,688 Is she trustworthy? Is she telling the truth? 372 00:21:17,723 --> 00:21:20,271 I can't imagine it was easy getting time off 373 00:21:20,311 --> 00:21:21,511 for a trip out here. 374 00:21:21,545 --> 00:21:23,647 But still, you made that happen. 375 00:21:23,681 --> 00:21:25,015 My mother needed me. 376 00:21:25,049 --> 00:21:28,351 Enough for you to drop everything and... 377 00:21:28,386 --> 00:21:31,855 get on a bus for what? Three days? 378 00:21:33,564 --> 00:21:38,061 I was um, a tough kid to handle. 379 00:21:39,067 --> 00:21:41,631 I got into drugs young. 380 00:21:42,823 --> 00:21:45,302 It was really rough on my mom. 381 00:21:46,547 --> 00:21:49,973 I got clean a few years ago now, but uh, 382 00:21:50,007 --> 00:21:51,775 I'm trying to make it up to her. 383 00:21:51,809 --> 00:21:55,512 That's why I came. I need her to know that I'm here for her 384 00:21:55,546 --> 00:21:57,480 when she needs me. 385 00:21:59,483 --> 00:22:02,786 But still, it must've been pretty important for you 386 00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:05,141 to get away from the youth center, 387 00:22:05,166 --> 00:22:08,358 spend three days on a bus. 388 00:22:09,297 --> 00:22:13,968 Elizabeth, if there's something you're not telling us, anything. 389 00:22:22,807 --> 00:22:26,443 My mother is a strong woman. 390 00:22:28,412 --> 00:22:29,746 But this whole situation 391 00:22:29,780 --> 00:22:33,427 with Bruce, it was just too much for her. 392 00:22:34,485 --> 00:22:36,419 She couldn't cope. 393 00:22:39,924 --> 00:22:42,100 She tried to kill herself. 394 00:22:45,496 --> 00:22:48,131 Have you ever tried to kill yourself, Detective? 395 00:22:48,165 --> 00:22:51,267 No. 396 00:22:51,302 --> 00:22:53,476 Me neither. 397 00:22:54,195 --> 00:22:56,196 But can you imagine? 398 00:22:58,642 --> 00:23:01,311 The desperation you must feel? 399 00:23:01,345 --> 00:23:03,838 I was scared! 400 00:23:04,782 --> 00:23:08,318 I got here as quickly as I could before anything worse could happen. 401 00:23:08,352 --> 00:23:12,655 She was very upset, almost distraught. 402 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:15,592 But something still wasn't sitting right with me. 403 00:23:16,912 --> 00:23:20,238 And, I, I can't tell you exactly what it is. 404 00:23:20,452 --> 00:23:23,466 But Gamble was the guy with the experience. 405 00:23:23,501 --> 00:23:26,302 His opinion mattered a lot. 406 00:23:26,337 --> 00:23:30,106 As far as I can tell, she's being truthful. She's being 407 00:23:30,141 --> 00:23:31,308 a good daughter and trying to make up 408 00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:33,777 for what she put her mother through when she was young. 409 00:23:33,811 --> 00:23:35,945 And she's got a rock-solid alibi. 410 00:23:35,980 --> 00:23:39,482 And the fact that Margaret attempted suicide also tells me 411 00:23:39,517 --> 00:23:41,184 she's got nothing to do with this. 412 00:23:41,218 --> 00:23:42,886 Inward violence. 413 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,456 Exactly. She's more likely to kill herself than anyone else. 414 00:23:48,059 --> 00:23:51,194 I'm sorry. I know it's not what you want to hear, but here's 415 00:23:51,228 --> 00:23:52,662 my advice. 416 00:23:52,696 --> 00:23:56,332 Get them on your side. They're the victims. 417 00:23:56,367 --> 00:23:59,462 And you're gonna need their trust to solve this case. 418 00:24:00,538 --> 00:24:02,778 Good luck. 419 00:24:05,409 --> 00:24:08,578 Being a lead investigator, you really do need 420 00:24:08,612 --> 00:24:10,680 to trust your basic instincts. 421 00:24:10,714 --> 00:24:15,919 There was just something that still troubled me about Elizabeth. 422 00:24:22,426 --> 00:24:23,560 How are you holding up? 423 00:24:23,594 --> 00:24:25,195 It's been hard. 424 00:24:25,229 --> 00:24:28,164 I still haven't been in the garage. 425 00:24:29,218 --> 00:24:31,234 Thank God for Elizabeth! 426 00:24:31,268 --> 00:24:32,936 She really cares about you. 427 00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:35,371 She's come so far. 428 00:24:35,406 --> 00:24:37,273 So far? 429 00:24:37,308 --> 00:24:41,578 She had addiction problems. She had it tough growing up. 430 00:24:41,612 --> 00:24:44,245 But she's turned her life around and uh, 431 00:24:44,324 --> 00:24:46,015 she's learned from her mistakes. 432 00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:51,262 Ah! My angel. Angel. 433 00:24:53,657 --> 00:24:54,844 Is that my laptop? 434 00:24:54,869 --> 00:24:57,060 Yeah. I thought you might want it back. 435 00:24:57,094 --> 00:24:58,995 Thank you. 436 00:25:00,631 --> 00:25:04,400 The house must seem a lot quieter now that Bruce is gone. 437 00:25:05,402 --> 00:25:08,179 I guess we didn't interact much. 438 00:25:08,639 --> 00:25:11,608 He spent most of his time in the basement, 439 00:25:11,642 --> 00:25:14,878 with the door locked. Watching television. 440 00:25:14,912 --> 00:25:18,181 Mmmm. That's uncomfortable. Living that way. 441 00:25:18,215 --> 00:25:21,284 I tried playing mediator. I tried to get them to agree 442 00:25:21,318 --> 00:25:22,785 on how to move on with their lives. 443 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:25,331 But it was impossible. 444 00:25:25,657 --> 00:25:27,524 He was so bull-headed. 445 00:25:27,558 --> 00:25:29,225 That must've been frustrating. 446 00:25:29,260 --> 00:25:32,896 Try travelling three days on a bus to find that out. 447 00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:34,128 Now that's frustrating. 448 00:25:34,255 --> 00:25:36,900 Ah, I get antsy spending an hour on the bus, 449 00:25:36,934 --> 00:25:39,035 so I can't imagine what three days must be like. 450 00:25:39,456 --> 00:25:41,543 It's not great, but you get used to it. 451 00:25:41,568 --> 00:25:42,968 Mmm. 452 00:25:43,633 --> 00:25:45,742 Did you make any friends along the way? 453 00:25:45,776 --> 00:25:49,245 Well, there was this um, young cowboy. 454 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,760 I think he got on in Calgary. 455 00:25:50,785 --> 00:25:52,248 He sat with me the whole way here. 456 00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:54,570 This cowboy have a name? 457 00:25:54,882 --> 00:25:55,919 Dell. 458 00:25:55,953 --> 00:25:57,487 Last name? 459 00:25:57,521 --> 00:26:00,123 Ah, I don't remember. I belong to an anonymous group, 460 00:26:00,157 --> 00:26:01,558 I don't really do last names. 461 00:26:01,592 --> 00:26:04,561 What else can you tell me about Dell? 462 00:26:04,595 --> 00:26:05,662 How old was he? 463 00:26:05,696 --> 00:26:09,632 Uh, he was eighteen, I think. 464 00:26:09,667 --> 00:26:11,246 I remember he needed a bath. 465 00:26:12,193 --> 00:26:15,432 He had this big cowboy hat on with metal studs in it. 466 00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:17,440 What did you talk about? 467 00:26:17,474 --> 00:26:20,777 Well, you know, we covered a lotta ground. 468 00:26:21,796 --> 00:26:24,256 It seemed like he was having a bit of a tough time. 469 00:26:24,815 --> 00:26:27,250 He sounded a lot like me at his age. 470 00:26:27,284 --> 00:26:28,585 Mmm. 471 00:26:28,619 --> 00:26:30,453 Did you tell him about Bruce? 472 00:26:30,822 --> 00:26:32,823 I might've told him a little bit about 473 00:26:32,848 --> 00:26:34,490 some of the troubles Bruce was causing. 474 00:26:35,315 --> 00:26:38,494 All the arguments over money with Mom. 475 00:26:38,529 --> 00:26:40,618 You have any idea where I can find Dell? 476 00:26:40,643 --> 00:26:42,632 Why are you asking so many questions about this kid? 477 00:26:42,666 --> 00:26:43,915 He has nothing to do with this. 478 00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:46,970 Of course. I'm just gathering information. 479 00:26:47,004 --> 00:26:48,738 Any idea where he is? 480 00:26:48,772 --> 00:26:51,600 No! 481 00:26:51,862 --> 00:26:54,410 According to Elizabeth, Dell was 482 00:26:54,445 --> 00:26:58,361 a young kid that had fallen on some hard times. 483 00:26:59,274 --> 00:27:03,386 He fit that mold of the kind of person that could take advantage 484 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:06,556 of a vulnerable senior. 485 00:27:12,062 --> 00:27:14,831 What's this? Is this Dell? 486 00:27:15,261 --> 00:27:16,428 The one and only. 487 00:27:18,802 --> 00:27:20,370 Suddenly, when we saw the hat 488 00:27:20,404 --> 00:27:23,206 on the video, you know, from the bus terminal, 489 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,064 we were thrilled because "There he is! There's Dell!" 490 00:27:27,302 --> 00:27:32,081 Dell and Elizabeth left in the rental car together. 491 00:27:32,116 --> 00:27:34,017 I certainly was very surprised by that. 492 00:27:34,051 --> 00:27:35,718 We pull any prints off the vehicle? 493 00:27:35,753 --> 00:27:38,296 Yeah. Several. It's a rental. 494 00:27:38,321 --> 00:27:40,425 A rental we now know Dell's been inside of. 495 00:27:41,075 --> 00:27:43,153 Send them all in, see if we can get an ID. 496 00:27:43,354 --> 00:27:47,797 Send this out to every hotel and motel in the area. 497 00:27:47,831 --> 00:27:50,867 Dell's from out of town. He's gotta stay somewhere. 498 00:27:50,901 --> 00:27:52,735 Elizabeth wasn't telling me everything. 499 00:27:52,770 --> 00:27:56,072 We needed to find Dell. 500 00:28:02,325 --> 00:28:08,207 Elizabeth and this young man named Dell got into a vehicle 501 00:28:08,232 --> 00:28:09,595 together. 502 00:28:10,785 --> 00:28:14,537 We knew that he was coming to St. Catharines to look for work, 503 00:28:14,633 --> 00:28:18,078 so we began checking every motel in the area. 504 00:28:18,808 --> 00:28:20,252 It's the off season. 505 00:28:20,427 --> 00:28:22,444 You tend to remember your customers' faces better. 506 00:28:22,478 --> 00:28:25,413 Especially a kid in a cowboy hat. 507 00:28:25,448 --> 00:28:26,970 Was he with a woman? 508 00:28:27,073 --> 00:28:28,883 Nah. He was with some guy. 509 00:28:28,918 --> 00:28:31,553 Actually, they both looked like teenagers. 510 00:28:31,587 --> 00:28:36,091 So, two young men were staying in this room, 511 00:28:36,125 --> 00:28:39,199 but at this point, they have left, checked out. 512 00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:41,963 What did the other guy look like? 513 00:28:41,998 --> 00:28:44,099 Big fella. Had a baby face. 514 00:28:44,133 --> 00:28:45,867 Any names? 515 00:28:45,901 --> 00:28:47,669 I'd have to check the receipts. 516 00:28:47,703 --> 00:28:51,006 It's been a couple of days. The room's been cleaned out. 517 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,375 They left a lotta stuff behind, though. 518 00:28:54,545 --> 00:28:56,044 You still have it? 519 00:28:56,078 --> 00:28:58,346 Could be with housekeeping. 520 00:29:02,927 --> 00:29:04,561 Thanks. 521 00:29:05,063 --> 00:29:07,489 Would you mind getting those receipts while I do this? 522 00:29:07,553 --> 00:29:09,090 Sure. 523 00:29:16,332 --> 00:29:18,600 The containers were exactly the same 524 00:29:18,634 --> 00:29:22,883 as in Bruce Firman's house. What the hell was goin' on here? 525 00:29:26,442 --> 00:29:28,476 Found it. Here. 526 00:29:28,511 --> 00:29:30,879 The room was paid for by an Elizabeth Gatenby. 527 00:29:31,484 --> 00:29:35,254 So she clearly rented a room in her own name, 528 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,385 using her own credit card. 529 00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:39,451 I was thinking "OK, we got ya!" 530 00:29:40,006 --> 00:29:42,357 I told you, Detective, I don't know much about Dell. 531 00:29:42,391 --> 00:29:44,596 We just sat together on the bus. That's all. 532 00:29:45,728 --> 00:29:49,698 He was coming looking for work, he seemed friendly, we got chatting. 533 00:29:49,732 --> 00:29:51,066 He seemed like a really good kid, 534 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:52,600 just needed a little help, that's all. 535 00:29:53,106 --> 00:29:55,741 Do you know where he went after the bus station? 536 00:29:55,766 --> 00:29:57,205 The QE motel. 537 00:29:57,239 --> 00:29:59,733 - How do you know? - Cause I drove him. 538 00:29:59,758 --> 00:30:00,909 You drove him. 539 00:30:00,943 --> 00:30:02,552 Yeah, he needed a ride. 540 00:30:02,577 --> 00:30:05,080 I paid for his motel room, too. 541 00:30:05,114 --> 00:30:07,916 Poor kid didn't have a credit card, so I got him checked into his room. 542 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:09,851 Brought him some food, too. 543 00:30:09,885 --> 00:30:12,887 Elizabeth, very calmly and clearly, 544 00:30:12,922 --> 00:30:17,592 told me, yes, she did rent that motel room for Dell. 545 00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:19,784 And I was kind of shocked at that. 546 00:30:20,245 --> 00:30:23,598 And you didn't think any of this was worth telling me. 547 00:30:24,715 --> 00:30:28,470 Look. Dell had just gotten clean. 548 00:30:28,504 --> 00:30:31,239 He was looking for a fresh start. 549 00:30:31,273 --> 00:30:34,242 All right? So I just didn't want to get him mixed up in all of this. 550 00:30:34,276 --> 00:30:36,444 So you lied. 551 00:30:36,479 --> 00:30:40,215 No! I was just trying to help. 552 00:30:40,249 --> 00:30:41,549 Where's Dell now? 553 00:30:41,584 --> 00:30:43,852 I don't know. 554 00:30:46,528 --> 00:30:48,957 I work for a youth center. That's what I do. 555 00:30:48,991 --> 00:30:51,359 I see kids like Dell all the time. 556 00:30:51,393 --> 00:30:53,695 Kids who are running from something 557 00:30:53,729 --> 00:30:54,896 and need a fresh start. 558 00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:58,233 If I can help, I do. 559 00:30:58,267 --> 00:30:59,934 So I did. 560 00:31:00,306 --> 00:31:02,707 Her whole life was this youth center 561 00:31:02,732 --> 00:31:06,975 that she runs and I thought, maybe she's not only 562 00:31:07,009 --> 00:31:09,644 talking the talk, but she's walking the walk, too. 563 00:31:09,678 --> 00:31:14,289 Yeah, well sometimes kids like Dell hurt the people that help them. 564 00:31:15,684 --> 00:31:19,187 If you hear from Dell, let me know right away. 565 00:31:20,393 --> 00:31:23,591 Elizabeth is very convincing. 566 00:31:23,626 --> 00:31:25,960 You know, this is kind of her mission in life 567 00:31:25,995 --> 00:31:29,864 right now, is to help young people who are down and out. 568 00:31:29,899 --> 00:31:33,301 She was just carrying on in her role. 569 00:31:33,335 --> 00:31:34,836 Maybe she was a nice person. 570 00:31:37,006 --> 00:31:39,440 Or maybe she was lying. 571 00:31:40,442 --> 00:31:41,592 Harrison! 572 00:31:43,078 --> 00:31:44,846 The prints came back from the rental. 573 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,080 And? 574 00:31:46,115 --> 00:31:48,416 Only one hit, but it's a good one. 575 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:49,655 Tommy Nicol! 576 00:31:49,687 --> 00:31:52,353 Male teenager. And look where he's from. 577 00:31:52,388 --> 00:31:57,292 Kimberly, BC. That's just east of where Elizabeth lives. 578 00:31:57,326 --> 00:32:00,328 It doesn't look much like Dell. 579 00:32:00,362 --> 00:32:03,264 Could be the other guy from the hotel room. 580 00:32:05,334 --> 00:32:07,735 It was really a turning point for the case. 581 00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:10,700 Not only did we get a print, but we ran it 582 00:32:10,725 --> 00:32:13,241 through the fingerprint identification system 583 00:32:13,275 --> 00:32:16,644 and we got a hit. 584 00:32:16,679 --> 00:32:19,547 Tommy Nicol. 585 00:32:23,786 --> 00:32:26,054 So why'd you bring me here? 586 00:32:26,088 --> 00:32:28,189 To St. Catharines? 587 00:32:28,224 --> 00:32:31,125 You mean, why did we bring you back? 588 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,429 Never been here before. 589 00:32:34,463 --> 00:32:37,398 He denied ever being in St. Catharines, 590 00:32:37,433 --> 00:32:40,735 which was good for our investigation 591 00:32:40,769 --> 00:32:43,771 because we have his fingerprint on the rental car. 592 00:32:43,806 --> 00:32:46,441 So, we clearly know he was lying. 593 00:32:46,475 --> 00:32:48,276 We know that's not true, Tommy. 594 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:50,378 We have your fingerprints. 595 00:32:52,715 --> 00:32:54,582 How old are you? Seventeen? 596 00:32:54,617 --> 00:32:56,551 Eighteen in a few weeks. 597 00:32:56,585 --> 00:32:58,386 Well, that's pretty close. 598 00:32:58,420 --> 00:33:01,456 Especially for a judge deciding whether or not 599 00:33:01,490 --> 00:33:04,158 to try you as an adult. 600 00:33:04,193 --> 00:33:06,160 There's a big difference. 601 00:33:09,164 --> 00:33:11,266 Telling the truth now could go a long way. 602 00:33:15,629 --> 00:33:19,073 Were you robbing the old man and then he came home and found you? 603 00:33:20,547 --> 00:33:22,405 Were you alone? 604 00:33:24,313 --> 00:33:26,514 Was it Dell's idea to kill him? 605 00:33:26,548 --> 00:33:28,383 Dell? 606 00:33:28,417 --> 00:33:30,479 Remember the kid you were with at the motel? 607 00:33:30,504 --> 00:33:31,538 Pfft. 608 00:33:31,563 --> 00:33:33,421 The one with the cowboy hat? 609 00:33:33,455 --> 00:33:35,523 That's not his name. 610 00:33:36,964 --> 00:33:38,854 No? What is it? 611 00:33:40,365 --> 00:33:41,729 Byron. 612 00:33:41,764 --> 00:33:43,064 Byron who? 613 00:33:43,098 --> 00:33:45,400 Byron Gatenby. 614 00:33:45,434 --> 00:33:48,770 Dell was actually Elizabeth's son. 615 00:33:49,301 --> 00:33:51,876 Unbelievable. This was becoming one 616 00:33:51,901 --> 00:33:54,199 of the strangest cases of my career. 617 00:33:56,011 --> 00:33:57,660 Him and I, we uh... 618 00:33:59,448 --> 00:34:01,316 we killed that old man. 619 00:34:08,475 --> 00:34:12,679 Tommy identified Dell as Byron Gatenby, 620 00:34:12,713 --> 00:34:14,213 Elizabeth's son. 621 00:34:15,117 --> 00:34:16,958 Byron was in Whistler. 622 00:34:16,983 --> 00:34:20,452 We picked him up and brought him back. 623 00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,507 Just to look at Byron, he's not a big guy. 624 00:34:25,745 --> 00:34:31,216 He seems pretty meek and mild. Just doesn't fit the character 625 00:34:31,251 --> 00:34:34,219 of someone who could kill somebody. 626 00:34:34,254 --> 00:34:37,656 I hate flying. It terrifies me. 627 00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:41,096 Is that why you took a bus to kill Bruce? 628 00:34:42,718 --> 00:34:45,164 You're gonna tell us, Byron. 629 00:34:45,198 --> 00:34:46,832 And you know how I know that? 630 00:34:46,866 --> 00:34:48,901 When I met you, I thought I was gonna meet a killer, 631 00:34:48,935 --> 00:34:50,669 but you're not a killer. 632 00:34:50,703 --> 00:34:53,439 A killer wouldn't leave that much proof around. There was 633 00:34:53,473 --> 00:34:56,665 the surveillance video from the bus depot. 634 00:34:57,681 --> 00:34:59,409 Fingerprints in the rental car. 635 00:34:59,735 --> 00:35:01,214 There was Tommy's confession. 636 00:35:02,946 --> 00:35:05,918 And there was the receipt from the motel 637 00:35:05,952 --> 00:35:09,388 that was paid for by your mom. 638 00:35:11,257 --> 00:35:14,126 I met your mom. You know that? 639 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,658 I got to know her, actually. 640 00:35:16,173 --> 00:35:19,424 I think she did what she thought she had to do. 641 00:35:20,266 --> 00:35:22,234 I think she thought she had two choices: 642 00:35:22,268 --> 00:35:28,006 she could either sit back and watch your grandma get destroyed 643 00:35:28,041 --> 00:35:29,714 by Bruce 644 00:35:31,144 --> 00:35:32,578 or do what she thought was right. 645 00:35:32,612 --> 00:35:35,681 And you know, she wasn't good at sitting back. 646 00:35:35,715 --> 00:35:38,050 She has nothing to do with this. 647 00:35:39,377 --> 00:35:44,389 Yeah, good. Then you're gonna have to tell us who does, Byron. 648 00:35:46,652 --> 00:35:47,926 It was hard to believe 649 00:35:47,961 --> 00:35:51,730 that an 18-year-old kid is gonna come up with this whole plan 650 00:35:51,764 --> 00:35:54,733 on his own just to help his grandmother. 651 00:35:54,767 --> 00:35:58,047 It certainly looked like Elizabeth was pulling the strings. 652 00:35:58,499 --> 00:36:02,107 But I needed to get more evidence. 653 00:36:04,277 --> 00:36:06,645 You're not gonna believe this. 654 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,248 I got the receipts from the bus company. 655 00:36:09,282 --> 00:36:11,650 Elizabeth used her credit card to buy three tickets 656 00:36:11,684 --> 00:36:14,985 from BC to St. Catharines, two of them under the name Dell. 657 00:36:16,499 --> 00:36:18,941 One from Whistler. 658 00:36:18,989 --> 00:36:21,527 The other one from Kimberly. 659 00:36:21,561 --> 00:36:23,428 It's where Byron and Tommy are from. 660 00:36:23,463 --> 00:36:24,770 Yeah. 661 00:36:29,536 --> 00:36:31,741 Elizabeth made it all happen. 662 00:36:31,868 --> 00:36:35,315 But she clearly was not at the scene of the murder. 663 00:36:36,547 --> 00:36:39,211 For us to get a first-degree murder conviction, 664 00:36:39,245 --> 00:36:42,648 Byron had to come clean and tell the truth. 665 00:36:42,682 --> 00:36:46,414 We needed him to testify against his mother. 666 00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:55,827 Who killed Bruce Firman? 667 00:36:55,862 --> 00:36:59,698 Me and Tommy. We killed Bruce. 668 00:36:59,732 --> 00:37:04,036 Why? Did your mother put you up to it? 669 00:37:04,070 --> 00:37:07,105 No, it was my idea. All of it. 670 00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:11,577 I saw Bruce was hurting Grandma, so I decided to do something about it. 671 00:37:11,611 --> 00:37:14,746 I'm sorry, Byron. I know that that's just not true. 672 00:37:20,959 --> 00:37:23,696 I already know that your mother was involved in this. 673 00:37:28,928 --> 00:37:30,829 You see, Byron? 674 00:37:30,863 --> 00:37:34,633 Your mother used her credit card to purchase your ticket. 675 00:37:36,085 --> 00:37:37,519 And Tommy's too. 676 00:37:46,279 --> 00:37:48,413 I'm going to hell for this. 677 00:37:54,387 --> 00:37:58,056 My mom told me to kill Bruce 678 00:37:58,845 --> 00:38:00,345 and she paid me. 679 00:38:01,589 --> 00:38:04,718 She got our bus tickets. Put me in the hotel. 680 00:38:04,866 --> 00:38:06,398 Tommy too. 681 00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:10,335 She told us to wait until the right time. And then one night, she... 682 00:38:12,939 --> 00:38:14,643 she called me. 683 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,228 And she said that she was having dinner with Grandma. 684 00:38:21,247 --> 00:38:24,416 Me and Tommy drove to Grandma's house. 685 00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:26,918 How'd you get in? 686 00:38:26,953 --> 00:38:28,420 Hidden key in the back. 687 00:38:29,017 --> 00:38:31,786 Went inside the garage and waited. 688 00:38:37,096 --> 00:38:39,689 When Bruce walked in, Tommy just... 689 00:38:40,333 --> 00:38:42,434 whacked him in the face with a pipe wrench. 690 00:38:44,532 --> 00:38:46,872 And I was supposed to strangle him 691 00:38:46,906 --> 00:38:48,877 with a guitar string I brought. 692 00:38:50,043 --> 00:38:53,545 But... But I just started kicking him. 693 00:38:55,096 --> 00:38:57,691 - Why? - I don't know. 694 00:38:58,975 --> 00:39:01,253 Felt good? 695 00:39:04,724 --> 00:39:06,325 As I'm kicking him, 696 00:39:06,359 --> 00:39:10,095 he just rolled over and looked me straight in the eye. 697 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:13,844 I just froze. 698 00:39:14,701 --> 00:39:18,906 Tommy just started yelling "Finish him! Toast him!" 699 00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:23,942 And I couldn't so Tommy hit him in the head until it was done. 700 00:39:25,678 --> 00:39:28,761 While her son was killing Mr. Firman, 701 00:39:28,952 --> 00:39:33,185 Elizabeth was sitting in this restaurant in Niagara Falls 702 00:39:33,219 --> 00:39:38,161 with her mom, complaining about the tea, making a scene. 703 00:39:38,186 --> 00:39:41,023 She was concerned with covering her tracks. 704 00:39:41,048 --> 00:39:44,463 And she let her son take the fall. 705 00:39:44,497 --> 00:39:48,633 I told her that Bruce wouldn't be bothering Grandma anymore. 706 00:39:49,659 --> 00:39:52,761 She kissed me and she paid me 400 bucks. 707 00:39:59,624 --> 00:40:01,892 - Did your grandmother see you? - No. 708 00:40:07,019 --> 00:40:10,188 I'm going to hell for this, aren't I? 709 00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:14,098 Byron said his mother paid him to kill Bruce. 710 00:40:16,562 --> 00:40:17,896 It was unbelievable. 711 00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:20,532 I don't know that I could ever understand 712 00:40:20,566 --> 00:40:23,135 how a mother could ask that of her son. 713 00:40:31,544 --> 00:40:33,779 - Hello. - We found him. 714 00:40:33,813 --> 00:40:37,549 Byron. We interviewed him. He confessed. 715 00:40:37,583 --> 00:40:40,385 We know you planned the murder. 716 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:43,121 We know you paid him, too. Four hundred dollars. 717 00:40:43,156 --> 00:40:45,724 Elizabeth Gatenby, you're under arrest 718 00:40:45,758 --> 00:40:48,360 for the murder of Bruce Firman. 719 00:40:49,562 --> 00:40:51,463 You destroyed his life. 720 00:40:51,497 --> 00:40:53,732 Byron did what he did because he loves his grandmother. 721 00:40:53,766 --> 00:40:55,434 No, he did it because of you! 722 00:40:56,285 --> 00:40:58,688 Because he looked up to you for the right thing to do. 723 00:40:58,713 --> 00:41:00,038 And you manipulated him. 724 00:41:00,552 --> 00:41:03,288 You tapped into his weaknesses until you succeeded 725 00:41:03,313 --> 00:41:05,143 in turning your own son into a murderer. 726 00:41:08,241 --> 00:41:10,463 How do you even call yourself a mother? 727 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,728 Elizabeth never confesses to the murder. 728 00:41:23,763 --> 00:41:30,135 From that point on, she really never says anything to us again. 729 00:41:34,974 --> 00:41:38,109 I had closed my first case as a lead, 730 00:41:38,144 --> 00:41:41,401 but I felt terribly sorry for Bruce's family. 731 00:41:42,815 --> 00:41:46,562 For Mr. Firman to meet his end this way 732 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:50,021 is... is really tragic. 733 00:41:52,878 --> 00:41:59,452 - Sync and corrections by ByDem - - www.addic7ed.com - 55603

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