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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,722 --> 00:00:04,556 Hey Mom, can we go to the pond? 2 00:00:04,590 --> 00:00:06,324 I don't know. It's getting a bit late. 3 00:00:06,359 --> 00:00:08,193 What's wrong with playing in the back yard? 4 00:00:08,227 --> 00:00:11,196 It's boring. Come on, Mom. Please? 5 00:00:11,230 --> 00:00:13,194 Hello! Who's your new friend? 6 00:00:13,234 --> 00:00:14,933 Oh, that's Jackie. 7 00:00:14,967 --> 00:00:17,602 Hello Jackie. It's nice to meet you. 8 00:00:18,260 --> 00:00:21,117 Back before sunset. 9 00:00:21,506 --> 00:00:23,907 Come on, Robyn. 10 00:00:24,053 --> 00:00:26,888 Three young kids going out to the frog pound 11 00:00:26,913 --> 00:00:30,448 to play on a Saturday night. That's how this story started. 12 00:00:30,483 --> 00:00:32,150 How many did you catch in here? 13 00:00:32,185 --> 00:00:35,086 I think maybe like one, two, three, four, five... 14 00:00:35,121 --> 00:00:36,788 The frog pond that the kids were playing at 15 00:00:36,823 --> 00:00:39,758 bordered a residential area where they all lived. 16 00:00:39,792 --> 00:00:41,927 It's not like they were way out in the woods playing. 17 00:00:41,961 --> 00:00:43,161 They were in their own neighbourhood. 18 00:00:47,834 --> 00:00:49,734 Hello? 19 00:00:49,769 --> 00:00:51,903 This is not a kid that just went out 20 00:00:51,938 --> 00:00:54,573 after supper to play and didn't come home. 21 00:00:54,607 --> 00:00:56,808 No. No, Matthew got home a little while ago. 22 00:00:59,445 --> 00:01:01,580 When did Jackie's parents call? 23 00:01:01,614 --> 00:01:03,682 Something was wrong. Deeply wrong. 24 00:01:07,019 --> 00:01:09,621 Are you sure Jackie went home? 25 00:01:09,655 --> 00:01:13,658 She just walked off into the woods. 26 00:01:17,501 --> 00:01:18,584 It was a horrible case. 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,870 I'm not the only one that hasn't wanted to talk about it. 28 00:01:21,897 --> 00:01:24,146 This is the most I've ever talked about it to anybody. 29 00:01:28,594 --> 00:01:35,407 - Sync and corrections by ByDem - - www.addic7ed.com - 30 00:01:39,825 --> 00:01:41,792 None of us had dealt with anything like this 31 00:01:41,827 --> 00:01:44,061 and we'd all dealt with a lot of death and a lot of, 32 00:01:44,096 --> 00:01:47,668 of, you know, what police work brings into your life. 33 00:01:47,712 --> 00:01:50,768 But nothing like this. This was completely off the charts. 34 00:01:52,738 --> 00:01:55,806 I was working in the barn with my horses and my wife came out 35 00:01:55,841 --> 00:01:58,009 and said the office has called; they need you to go in. 36 00:01:58,977 --> 00:02:01,612 It was nine or ten in the morning. 37 00:02:01,647 --> 00:02:05,383 They had told me that there was a missing child 38 00:02:05,417 --> 00:02:06,951 and that my help was required. 39 00:02:06,985 --> 00:02:10,955 That my partner, Larry, was asking for me. 40 00:02:10,989 --> 00:02:12,613 Where are we with the search? 41 00:02:12,675 --> 00:02:16,104 I've set up a command post near an abandoned cabin. 42 00:02:16,148 --> 00:02:18,462 There's a ground search in progress, RCMP helicopter 43 00:02:18,497 --> 00:02:20,765 in the air. But that's not why I called you in. 44 00:02:20,799 --> 00:02:22,600 It's about the kids. 45 00:02:22,634 --> 00:02:24,302 Have we talked to them? 46 00:02:24,336 --> 00:02:26,137 They both said that she wandered off into the woods, 47 00:02:26,171 --> 00:02:28,005 - and then... - What's my sister doing here? 48 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,408 It's why I called you in. 49 00:02:30,442 --> 00:02:32,476 One of the kids at the pond was your nephew. 50 00:02:32,511 --> 00:02:34,026 That was a bit surreal. 51 00:02:34,238 --> 00:02:37,107 To have your own family involved 52 00:02:37,141 --> 00:02:39,042 in the worst case you've ever worked on. 53 00:02:39,076 --> 00:02:40,343 Cath! 54 00:02:40,378 --> 00:02:43,146 Mike! Oh, thank God you're here. 55 00:02:43,181 --> 00:02:46,216 Hey. What's going on? Where's Matt? 56 00:02:46,250 --> 00:02:48,585 He's here. Please. Please talk to him. 57 00:02:48,619 --> 00:02:50,387 He was with Jackie last night. 58 00:02:50,421 --> 00:02:52,222 Is he OK? 59 00:02:52,256 --> 00:02:55,125 He said Jackie wandered off into the woods. 60 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:58,562 But then I heard them searching and I heard the helicopters overhead. 61 00:02:58,596 --> 00:03:00,564 I knew something was very, very wrong. 62 00:03:00,598 --> 00:03:02,732 So I went back up to see him. 63 00:03:02,767 --> 00:03:06,570 Jackie didn't wander off, Mike. 64 00:03:06,604 --> 00:03:08,605 She was taken. 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,253 Everything shifted then. Everything became more urgent. 66 00:03:12,411 --> 00:03:14,444 I'll go talk to him. 67 00:03:14,478 --> 00:03:16,813 This is not a missing kid at this point, right? 68 00:03:16,848 --> 00:03:19,149 This is some sort of abduction. 69 00:03:19,183 --> 00:03:20,984 Why don't you just tell me what happened? 70 00:03:21,018 --> 00:03:23,119 Tell me about the man. 71 00:03:23,154 --> 00:03:25,722 He was on an ATV. 72 00:03:25,756 --> 00:03:27,858 Do you remember what he said to Jackie? 73 00:03:27,892 --> 00:03:31,828 He said "come on and get a ride and we'll be right back." 74 00:03:32,387 --> 00:03:33,620 She said yes. 75 00:03:33,645 --> 00:03:35,432 So she knew him? 76 00:03:35,466 --> 00:03:36,833 I think so. 77 00:03:36,868 --> 00:03:39,269 Was he her uncle? Father? Brother? 78 00:03:39,303 --> 00:03:40,770 I don't know, Uncle Mike. 79 00:03:40,805 --> 00:03:42,472 I'm sorry. I don't know those people. 80 00:03:42,506 --> 00:03:44,674 It's OK. It's OK, buddy. 81 00:03:44,709 --> 00:03:47,644 Do you remember what he looked like? 82 00:03:47,678 --> 00:03:49,145 He had a beard. 83 00:03:49,180 --> 00:03:51,648 All right! He had a beard. 84 00:03:51,682 --> 00:03:53,984 Look Matt, I want you to talk to someone for me. 85 00:03:54,018 --> 00:03:56,019 He's going to come in here; he's going to draw a picture of the man. 86 00:03:56,053 --> 00:03:58,722 But he needs your help, all right? 87 00:04:04,195 --> 00:04:05,462 How long has she been missing? 88 00:04:05,496 --> 00:04:07,966 - Since 8:30 last night. - God dammit! 89 00:04:08,072 --> 00:04:10,193 He certainly felt that he was in the middle 90 00:04:10,218 --> 00:04:11,668 of now something terribly important. 91 00:04:11,702 --> 00:04:14,571 He became our single most critical witness, 92 00:04:14,605 --> 00:04:16,184 especially at that stage. 93 00:04:18,809 --> 00:04:21,244 Thanks. 94 00:04:24,382 --> 00:04:27,550 You did good, Matt. Real good. I'm proud of you. 95 00:04:27,585 --> 00:04:29,886 It's amazing the accuracy of memory 96 00:04:29,921 --> 00:04:31,080 that an eight-year-old has. 97 00:04:31,105 --> 00:04:32,094 Get some sleep, OK? 98 00:04:32,130 --> 00:04:34,276 The detail that he gave was remarkable. 99 00:04:34,303 --> 00:04:37,175 But you put a helmet on a guy with a beard 100 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,337 and they all look the same. 101 00:04:40,125 --> 00:04:42,510 Jackie Clark was last seen on Saturday night. 102 00:04:42,854 --> 00:04:45,199 Riding through the woods on an all-terrain vehicle 103 00:04:45,217 --> 00:04:46,473 with the bearded suspect. 104 00:04:46,518 --> 00:04:49,196 Hundreds of volunteers combed the woods 105 00:04:49,230 --> 00:04:51,598 and still more fresh searchers piled into 106 00:04:51,632 --> 00:04:54,668 the police command post this morning looking for clues. 107 00:04:56,304 --> 00:04:58,743 The search leads into a vast wooded area: 108 00:04:58,787 --> 00:05:02,056 miles and miles and miles of woods. 109 00:05:04,092 --> 00:05:07,562 My job, with Larry, was to work the case, 110 00:05:07,596 --> 00:05:10,364 work tips at a headquarters they had set up. 111 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:12,700 This one saw an ATV being driven through a culvert 112 00:05:12,734 --> 00:05:16,170 under a highway last night about a kilometer from the pond. 113 00:05:16,205 --> 00:05:18,172 The culvert's right here. 114 00:05:18,207 --> 00:05:20,408 There was a girl out front. Says she was screaming 115 00:05:20,442 --> 00:05:22,710 but he thought it was because she got splashed when they went through. 116 00:05:22,744 --> 00:05:24,312 The guy was wearing a helmet and a beard. 117 00:05:24,346 --> 00:05:29,317 Here's another one. Four kms out by the hydro line. 118 00:05:29,351 --> 00:05:30,918 Third one from the hydro line. 119 00:05:30,953 --> 00:05:33,087 There were not a lot of tips. 120 00:05:33,121 --> 00:05:35,389 There was very few tips, actually. 121 00:05:35,424 --> 00:05:38,492 The pattern of the tips were to the north of the city. 122 00:05:38,527 --> 00:05:42,430 So the direction of this search grid was all predicated on that. 123 00:05:42,464 --> 00:05:43,998 This is weird. 124 00:05:44,032 --> 00:05:45,533 Steve Carbonneau. 125 00:05:45,567 --> 00:05:47,635 He says he saw a girl crying in his back yard. 126 00:05:47,669 --> 00:05:49,637 He swears that it's Jackie Clark. 127 00:05:49,671 --> 00:05:51,439 The guy with the car dealership? The guy lives all the way 128 00:05:51,473 --> 00:05:54,108 - over here. Doesn't make sense. - But why would a guy like that 129 00:05:54,142 --> 00:05:55,743 make something up? 130 00:05:55,777 --> 00:05:57,278 Yeah. It's so far from the other sightings. 131 00:05:57,312 --> 00:05:58,546 It says here it's at 6 a.m. in the morning. 132 00:05:58,580 --> 00:06:00,314 All the other sightings were at night. 133 00:06:00,349 --> 00:06:02,617 The tip that threw the investigation off. 134 00:06:02,651 --> 00:06:05,453 The person called 911 dispatch 135 00:06:05,487 --> 00:06:07,288 because he was woken by a child crying. 136 00:06:07,322 --> 00:06:10,324 But in a different direction of the search. 137 00:06:10,359 --> 00:06:14,028 But such a credible tip from a very well respected 138 00:06:14,062 --> 00:06:17,865 businessman in our community. A stand-up guy. 139 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:20,868 We need to go talk to him. 140 00:06:20,903 --> 00:06:24,238 I was standing right over here in that window. 141 00:06:24,273 --> 00:06:30,011 And I hear someone crying. Out here. So I come outside... 142 00:06:31,747 --> 00:06:34,199 And that's where I saw her. 143 00:06:38,153 --> 00:06:39,787 What was she doing? 144 00:06:39,821 --> 00:06:42,056 Just sitting there. Holding her legs. 145 00:06:42,090 --> 00:06:45,248 Rocking back and forth. She looked terrified. 146 00:06:45,592 --> 00:06:46,788 Did you try and help her? 147 00:06:47,036 --> 00:06:49,170 Yeah, of course. But she was so scared. 148 00:06:49,205 --> 00:06:52,073 She wouldn't come in the house. She wouldn't even tell me her name. 149 00:06:52,108 --> 00:06:54,620 So I went inside to call you guys. 150 00:06:54,664 --> 00:06:57,432 Before I go in, I look back... She's gone. 151 00:07:01,404 --> 00:07:03,639 Hey, you guys know me. I wouldn't make this up. 152 00:07:03,673 --> 00:07:05,607 I dealt with witnesses all the time. 153 00:07:05,642 --> 00:07:08,844 The demeanour of him when asked about this is nothing 154 00:07:08,878 --> 00:07:10,646 but truthful, 100 percent. 155 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,514 No reason not to believe him whatsoever. 156 00:07:12,549 --> 00:07:14,516 How do you know it was Jackie Clark? 157 00:07:14,551 --> 00:07:16,418 He's describing a young child 158 00:07:16,452 --> 00:07:19,488 dressed exactly like Jackie. He shouldn't have known that. 159 00:07:19,522 --> 00:07:21,990 There was facts of the case hadn't been released 160 00:07:22,025 --> 00:07:23,825 to that point. For example, her description. 161 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:25,727 And that's the last place you saw her? 162 00:07:25,762 --> 00:07:27,930 Yeah. 163 00:07:27,964 --> 00:07:29,106 There was a huge sense 164 00:07:29,131 --> 00:07:30,399 of relief when that call came in, right? 165 00:07:30,433 --> 00:07:32,401 Oh my God, somebody's seen her! 166 00:07:32,435 --> 00:07:35,337 Everybody was convinced 167 00:07:35,371 --> 00:07:37,673 that was her and that she was gonna be found. 168 00:07:42,918 --> 00:07:48,356 She is missing, presumed abducted and presumed alive. 169 00:07:48,391 --> 00:07:51,893 The entire search moved based on that tip. 170 00:07:51,927 --> 00:07:54,763 Instead of going north, they went west. 171 00:07:54,797 --> 00:07:57,532 Hundreds of people in Fredericton have pulled together 172 00:07:57,566 --> 00:07:58,566 in the search for Jackie. 173 00:08:00,309 --> 00:08:02,510 But that area was totally searched. 174 00:08:02,545 --> 00:08:04,913 And it came up with nothing. She wasn't there. 175 00:08:04,947 --> 00:08:09,183 I have no explanation for that. 176 00:08:09,218 --> 00:08:11,252 But it happened. 177 00:08:11,287 --> 00:08:16,516 The search team moved back to the original grid north of the city. 178 00:08:18,260 --> 00:08:23,064 Jackie's mom was worried, scared, devastated. 179 00:08:23,098 --> 00:08:25,266 Like any parent would be. 180 00:08:26,335 --> 00:08:27,735 It doesn't make sense. 181 00:08:27,770 --> 00:08:29,971 She wouldn't go off with a stranger. 182 00:08:30,005 --> 00:08:34,642 We have witnesses that say otherwise. I'm sorry. 183 00:08:34,677 --> 00:08:36,978 - Is this Jackie's? - Mm hm. 184 00:08:37,012 --> 00:08:40,014 Before I met Bruce, it was just me and Jackie for years. 185 00:08:40,049 --> 00:08:42,083 - Bruce? - Her step-dad. 186 00:08:42,117 --> 00:08:43,918 He's the only father she's ever known. 187 00:08:43,953 --> 00:08:45,820 He's out looking for her. 188 00:08:45,854 --> 00:08:47,589 How's their relationship? 189 00:08:47,623 --> 00:08:51,893 They're both stubborn but they get along. 190 00:08:51,927 --> 00:08:54,095 So he was here when Jackie went missing. 191 00:08:54,129 --> 00:08:56,264 Uh, yeah. 192 00:08:56,298 --> 00:08:57,799 What did you two do that night? 193 00:08:57,833 --> 00:09:00,702 I was here watching my son. 194 00:09:00,736 --> 00:09:02,337 With Bruce? 195 00:09:02,371 --> 00:09:05,607 No. He was out. 196 00:09:05,641 --> 00:09:07,976 Oh God! 197 00:09:10,079 --> 00:09:13,281 She's such a sweet, shy girl. 198 00:09:13,315 --> 00:09:17,285 She's never been gone this long! 199 00:09:18,287 --> 00:09:20,221 Where... where is she? 200 00:09:23,959 --> 00:09:26,127 I had to stay emotionally detached from the family. 201 00:09:26,161 --> 00:09:30,999 It's not easy to do but you have to satisfy yourself 202 00:09:31,033 --> 00:09:34,502 that there's no family connection to this. 203 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,675 - Who is that? - That's Bruce. 204 00:09:46,715 --> 00:09:48,483 Who the hell are you? 205 00:09:48,517 --> 00:09:50,071 When I first saw Bruce? 206 00:09:50,096 --> 00:09:54,288 He resembled the suspect as described by our witness, my nephew. 207 00:09:54,323 --> 00:09:56,378 Where were you last night, Bruce? 208 00:09:56,449 --> 00:09:57,992 I was out searching. What do you think? 209 00:09:58,027 --> 00:09:59,994 No, I mean before Jackie went missing. 210 00:10:00,029 --> 00:10:01,429 Went for coffee. 211 00:10:01,814 --> 00:10:03,215 With who? 212 00:10:03,288 --> 00:10:04,732 Alone. 213 00:10:05,860 --> 00:10:08,649 Does this look familiar? 214 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:19,013 You think this is me? 215 00:10:19,048 --> 00:10:20,678 You think I took my own step-daughter? 216 00:10:20,748 --> 00:10:21,883 We're not saying that. 217 00:10:21,917 --> 00:10:25,353 We just want to cross as many names off the list as we can. 218 00:10:27,022 --> 00:10:30,258 Listen. Do you mind if I take a picture of you, Bruce? 219 00:10:30,292 --> 00:10:33,361 This is crap. 220 00:10:33,395 --> 00:10:35,096 Yeah. Make it quick. 221 00:10:35,130 --> 00:10:37,365 I gotta get back out there. 222 00:10:44,979 --> 00:10:47,014 Do you remember anything the man was wearing? 223 00:10:51,129 --> 00:10:53,195 OK. 224 00:10:54,650 --> 00:10:56,818 How about this? 225 00:10:59,054 --> 00:11:00,088 Is this the man you saw? 226 00:11:00,122 --> 00:11:03,357 No. I don't know. 227 00:11:03,392 --> 00:11:04,826 No? Or you don't know? 228 00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:06,694 I don't know, Uncle Mike. 229 00:11:06,729 --> 00:11:09,030 Come on, Matt. This is important. 230 00:11:09,064 --> 00:11:11,966 He was frightened... worried. 231 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,702 His uncle, the detective, coming to the house 232 00:11:14,737 --> 00:11:16,404 showing him pictures. 233 00:11:16,438 --> 00:11:19,574 It was all over the news. That's a big deal. 234 00:11:19,608 --> 00:11:21,075 Maybe it's time for a break. 235 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,379 Yeah. I'm sorry, Matt. 236 00:11:25,414 --> 00:11:29,083 You're doing a good job. I'm proud of you. We all are. 237 00:11:38,327 --> 00:11:41,763 Hey! What was that Polaroid all about? 238 00:11:41,797 --> 00:11:44,298 We need an ID. 239 00:11:47,302 --> 00:11:48,836 Then show a few photos of different people. 240 00:11:48,871 --> 00:11:50,138 Or do a line-up. 241 00:11:50,172 --> 00:11:51,739 We don't have time for a line-up! 242 00:11:51,774 --> 00:11:54,509 Jackie's still out there. Her life is at stake. 243 00:11:54,543 --> 00:11:56,278 Showing a single Polaroid to a kid 244 00:11:56,322 --> 00:11:57,581 won't hold up in court. You know that. 245 00:11:57,714 --> 00:12:00,181 As long as there's a chance she's still alive, 246 00:12:00,215 --> 00:12:02,150 that's a risk I'm willing to take. 247 00:12:02,184 --> 00:12:06,854 Look, I know it's not ideal. But... 248 00:12:06,889 --> 00:12:09,323 what other choice do we have? 249 00:12:09,358 --> 00:12:11,959 Showing the single photograph was risky, 250 00:12:11,994 --> 00:12:14,228 but the reason it was done was because she was still missing 251 00:12:14,263 --> 00:12:16,631 and the focus was to find her. 252 00:12:16,665 --> 00:12:19,534 I felt it was more important to try to find her 253 00:12:19,568 --> 00:12:23,137 than it was to follow some sort of judicial procedure. 254 00:12:23,172 --> 00:12:26,607 So, that's what I did. 255 00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:31,045 Throughout the day, these tips are rolling in. 256 00:12:31,079 --> 00:12:34,582 Not as many as we'd hoped but a tip came in about checking a guy 257 00:12:34,616 --> 00:12:37,752 who lives in a trailer park outside of Fredericton. 258 00:12:39,388 --> 00:12:41,789 Now this trailer park, if you would draw a straight line 259 00:12:41,824 --> 00:12:43,464 from the frog pond and where she was last 260 00:12:43,489 --> 00:12:45,026 seen by this witness that was fishing, 261 00:12:45,060 --> 00:12:46,834 if you drew a straight line more or 262 00:12:46,859 --> 00:12:48,987 less, that's where you're gonna end up. 263 00:12:54,269 --> 00:12:58,172 And while there, we notice an ATV outside of a trailer 264 00:12:58,207 --> 00:13:00,541 that was similar to what we were looking for. 265 00:13:09,751 --> 00:13:11,953 Good morning, ma'am. 266 00:13:11,987 --> 00:13:14,324 Is that your ATV out front? 267 00:13:14,607 --> 00:13:17,776 Murray! What's this about? 268 00:13:17,837 --> 00:13:20,595 We're in the neighbourhood looking for a missing child. 269 00:13:20,629 --> 00:13:22,076 The girl from the news? 270 00:13:22,155 --> 00:13:23,416 That's right. 271 00:13:24,733 --> 00:13:28,736 Hello, sir. I'm Detective Mike Richard. 272 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:30,002 Murray Lyons. 273 00:13:30,038 --> 00:13:32,039 She calls for Murray; Murray comes to the door. 274 00:13:32,074 --> 00:13:35,610 Hm. Murray has a beard. 275 00:13:35,644 --> 00:13:38,613 Is that your ATV out front, Mr. Lyons? 276 00:13:38,647 --> 00:13:40,414 Yeah. 277 00:13:40,449 --> 00:13:42,413 When was the last time you took it for a ride? 278 00:13:42,493 --> 00:13:44,609 A while ago. It don't work. 279 00:13:45,754 --> 00:13:48,289 Well listen, we're knocking on doors, 280 00:13:48,323 --> 00:13:50,324 canvassing the neighbourhood. 281 00:13:50,359 --> 00:13:52,860 You mind telling me what you were doing last night? 282 00:13:52,895 --> 00:13:54,729 Working on the ATV. 283 00:13:54,763 --> 00:13:56,330 Oh, yeah? What's wrong with it? 284 00:13:56,365 --> 00:13:58,399 It doesn't work right. Breaks down. 285 00:13:58,433 --> 00:14:01,269 Listen, while we're canvassing the neighbourhood, 286 00:14:01,303 --> 00:14:03,404 we're taking photos. Do you mind? 287 00:14:03,438 --> 00:14:06,807 Nah. I don't think so. 288 00:14:06,842 --> 00:14:09,010 Come on, Murray, it's for the girl from the news. 289 00:14:16,652 --> 00:14:18,185 All right. 290 00:14:23,492 --> 00:14:27,662 Now you're sure you didn't take your ATV out last night? 291 00:14:27,696 --> 00:14:29,597 Maybe even for a test drive? 292 00:14:29,631 --> 00:14:31,966 I stayed in last night. I didn't go out. 293 00:14:33,878 --> 00:14:37,024 OK. Thank you. 294 00:14:40,024 --> 00:14:45,012 OK, Matt. Is this the man? 295 00:14:47,616 --> 00:14:48,616 Matt? 296 00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:51,285 That's him! 297 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,688 His eyes wide open and he starts to shake. 298 00:14:53,722 --> 00:14:57,725 "That's him! That's him!" 299 00:15:04,207 --> 00:15:05,974 Once that positive identification was made, 300 00:15:06,009 --> 00:15:09,178 Larry and I returned immediately to the trailer 301 00:15:09,212 --> 00:15:11,246 to arrest Murray Lyons. 302 00:15:21,524 --> 00:15:22,694 Get up! 303 00:15:27,674 --> 00:15:30,877 Murray Lyons, you're under arrest for the abduction of Jackie Clark. 304 00:15:32,705 --> 00:15:35,715 Where is she? Hey! Where is she? 305 00:15:36,462 --> 00:15:39,898 Hey! Stay right there! Don't move. Where is she? 306 00:15:41,768 --> 00:15:44,703 She's still missing. 307 00:15:44,737 --> 00:15:47,057 The clock was ticking. The more time that went on, 308 00:15:47,082 --> 00:15:48,702 the more urgent this got. 309 00:15:50,143 --> 00:15:51,235 Jackie! 310 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:53,168 And he's been identified as the guy 311 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:55,625 who took her from that frog pond on an ATV. 312 00:15:55,659 --> 00:15:58,428 Jackie! 313 00:16:07,004 --> 00:16:09,238 Have you ever been in trouble before? 314 00:16:09,273 --> 00:16:11,441 Nah. Nothin'. 315 00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:13,943 This Murray Lyons guy was unknown to police. 316 00:16:13,977 --> 00:16:16,679 No criminal record; they never heard of him before. 317 00:16:19,983 --> 00:16:22,145 I'm still relying on an eight-year-old witness. 318 00:16:22,242 --> 00:16:24,932 That identification was going to be highly, 319 00:16:24,957 --> 00:16:26,673 highly questioned in court. 320 00:16:27,825 --> 00:16:29,725 Do you recognize this girl? 321 00:16:32,585 --> 00:16:33,855 No. 322 00:16:36,603 --> 00:16:39,335 The first hour and a half or so, he completely denied 323 00:16:39,369 --> 00:16:42,238 all of it. We've got 24 hours to get him in front of the judge 324 00:16:42,272 --> 00:16:43,606 or release him. 325 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,242 That clock's ticking as we are talking to him, 326 00:16:46,276 --> 00:16:49,212 plus Jackie Clark is still missing. And we have no idea 327 00:16:49,246 --> 00:16:51,013 what's happened to her. None. 328 00:16:51,048 --> 00:16:54,750 We have absolutely no evidence whatsoever at this point. 329 00:16:54,785 --> 00:16:58,454 We have witnesses who saw you riding your ATV last night. 330 00:16:58,489 --> 00:16:59,689 Someone said that? 331 00:16:59,716 --> 00:17:02,892 More than one. Do you know the number of calls we've gotten? 332 00:17:02,926 --> 00:17:06,295 The number of people out there looking for her? 333 00:17:09,032 --> 00:17:11,801 Maybe I took it out last night. To see if I can get it working. 334 00:17:11,835 --> 00:17:15,037 Maybe you took it out last night? You don't remember? 335 00:17:16,507 --> 00:17:18,274 You don't remember seeing kids playing? 336 00:17:18,308 --> 00:17:22,812 Down by the pond? You don't remember seeing Jackie Clark? 337 00:17:24,272 --> 00:17:25,682 No, I was never there. 338 00:17:31,908 --> 00:17:36,125 He was literally stone-cold, like a rock. 339 00:17:36,159 --> 00:17:38,861 We know that she was on your ATV 340 00:17:38,896 --> 00:17:42,241 and that you went through a culvert. You were seen. 341 00:17:42,444 --> 00:17:44,667 And she was seen screaming because she got splashed. 342 00:17:44,701 --> 00:17:46,369 Now think about it, Murray. 343 00:17:46,403 --> 00:17:50,339 How do we know all those details if they weren't true? 344 00:17:50,374 --> 00:17:54,810 I picked her up. I dropped her off. And that's all I did. 345 00:17:54,845 --> 00:17:56,379 What do you mean you dropped her off? 346 00:17:56,413 --> 00:17:58,381 What did you do with her? She's still missing. 347 00:17:58,415 --> 00:17:59,949 Where is she? 348 00:17:59,983 --> 00:18:01,984 I let her off. The ATV was acting up. 349 00:18:02,019 --> 00:18:04,820 Where? In the middle of the woods? Show me! 350 00:18:04,855 --> 00:18:07,690 It's nine o'clock at night; she's eight years old. 351 00:18:07,724 --> 00:18:09,992 So you want us to believe that you drove her out 352 00:18:10,019 --> 00:18:12,862 in the middle of the woods and let her off and drive home. 353 00:18:12,896 --> 00:18:14,830 That's what you want us to believe. 354 00:18:14,865 --> 00:18:16,866 Yeah, that's what happened. 355 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:19,869 Please, Murray. We need to go out there 356 00:18:19,903 --> 00:18:22,004 and we need to find her. 357 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:24,707 Think of that poor little girl all alone in the woods. 358 00:18:24,741 --> 00:18:27,710 Think of her family. 359 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,505 Detective. Can I have a sec? 360 00:18:45,762 --> 00:18:48,564 He's about to crack! 361 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:50,433 We found a girl's body in the woods. 362 00:18:50,467 --> 00:18:54,103 Between the pond and Murray Lyons' place. 363 00:18:58,735 --> 00:19:01,143 The murder of eight-year-old Jackie Clark 364 00:19:01,178 --> 00:19:04,480 has evoked anger and shock in this small city. 365 00:19:04,514 --> 00:19:08,284 An exhaustive two-day search turned up her battered body 366 00:19:08,318 --> 00:19:09,786 in the woods near her home. 367 00:19:10,077 --> 00:19:12,593 The little girl was strangled to death. 368 00:19:13,462 --> 00:19:16,611 That was the worst-case scenario. 369 00:19:17,122 --> 00:19:20,309 Right? It was the absolute worst-case scenario. 370 00:19:20,477 --> 00:19:22,356 And there it was right in front of you. 371 00:19:41,461 --> 00:19:43,829 Surreal is what it was, completely surreal 372 00:19:43,863 --> 00:19:45,042 to see this scene. 373 00:19:45,113 --> 00:19:51,336 To see that girl dead... at that spot. 374 00:19:51,371 --> 00:19:54,339 Not only had he killed her, he violently raped her. 375 00:19:54,374 --> 00:19:56,783 She was only eight. 376 00:20:06,719 --> 00:20:08,993 It's OK. You can go home now, Reilly. 377 00:20:10,933 --> 00:20:12,157 I'm not leaving her. 378 00:20:13,438 --> 00:20:15,227 I don't think that's such a good idea. 379 00:20:16,690 --> 00:20:17,705 I don't care. 380 00:20:18,731 --> 00:20:20,966 I put Randy Reilly in charge of the scene 381 00:20:20,991 --> 00:20:22,267 and the body. 382 00:20:23,035 --> 00:20:25,169 And Randy had kids of that age. 383 00:20:32,412 --> 00:20:35,080 This is like a bomb went off. 384 00:20:35,114 --> 00:20:39,418 The closer you were to Ground Zero, the worse it was. 385 00:20:43,222 --> 00:20:46,124 He was guarding Ground Zero. 386 00:20:47,326 --> 00:20:49,628 And he never left her. 387 00:20:53,566 --> 00:20:58,429 At the autopsy, they had no way of weighing a body that small. 388 00:20:58,605 --> 00:21:01,757 And Randy stepped right in. He said "No, stay away from her." 389 00:21:02,409 --> 00:21:07,044 And he picked her up and he weighed her. 390 00:21:11,591 --> 00:21:13,625 I'll never forget it. He was just standing there shaking, 391 00:21:13,659 --> 00:21:15,382 crying. 392 00:21:16,763 --> 00:21:23,468 Holding her uh, her dead body on those scales. Very sad. Yeah. 393 00:21:27,607 --> 00:21:30,742 Cause of death appears to be manual strangulation. 394 00:21:30,777 --> 00:21:33,445 We found some possible DNA, but we'll need a sample 395 00:21:33,479 --> 00:21:35,327 from him for comparison. 396 00:21:47,447 --> 00:21:50,082 The charges were actually drafted up as abduction, 397 00:21:50,116 --> 00:21:53,218 but when she was found dead, it was changed to second-degree murder 398 00:21:53,253 --> 00:21:55,888 and when it was very obvious that she'd been raped, 399 00:21:55,922 --> 00:21:58,724 then it was changed to first-degree murder. 400 00:21:58,758 --> 00:22:02,061 I had been in a room with men who have killed other people. 401 00:22:02,095 --> 00:22:06,365 But not an eight-year-old. And not raped them. 402 00:22:06,399 --> 00:22:09,368 We found her. 403 00:22:09,402 --> 00:22:12,691 Jackie Clark. 404 00:22:14,174 --> 00:22:16,742 I saw what you did. 405 00:22:16,776 --> 00:22:21,529 Now things are gonna go a lot easier for you if you cooperate. 406 00:22:21,554 --> 00:22:24,717 You guys think I did something I didn't. 407 00:22:24,751 --> 00:22:27,720 I just dropped her off. 408 00:22:28,288 --> 00:22:30,492 OK, well? 409 00:22:30,615 --> 00:22:33,459 We're just gonna need a blood sample so we can clear your name. 410 00:22:37,269 --> 00:22:39,264 I don't think so. 411 00:22:39,299 --> 00:22:43,235 In June of 1995, there was no legal way 412 00:22:43,269 --> 00:22:45,137 to get samples from an accused. 413 00:22:45,171 --> 00:22:47,406 It was unbelievable, the frustration. 414 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,508 I never felt that before. 415 00:22:49,542 --> 00:22:52,511 The sun was coming up. We interrogated him all night. 416 00:22:52,545 --> 00:22:54,947 We got a knock on the door from our boss and said 417 00:22:54,981 --> 00:22:57,049 "You need to step out." 418 00:22:57,083 --> 00:23:00,152 You had to have anybody taken into police custody 419 00:23:00,186 --> 00:23:02,521 in front of a judge within twenty-four hours. 420 00:23:05,792 --> 00:23:09,261 That's all we had at that point: a bunch of circumstantial evidence. 421 00:23:09,295 --> 00:23:11,730 That is a far cry from a good murder case. 422 00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:13,966 It was a horrible case. It was enough to hold him 423 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,201 is all it was. Enough to charge him and hold him. 424 00:23:16,236 --> 00:23:19,004 Nothing more. 425 00:23:21,207 --> 00:23:22,989 He won't confess. 426 00:23:24,844 --> 00:23:27,680 Without consent from a DNA sample... 427 00:23:27,714 --> 00:23:31,183 We might not need him to. 428 00:23:34,888 --> 00:23:36,772 The DNA warrant legislation 429 00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:38,891 changed during the middle of our case. 430 00:23:38,925 --> 00:23:42,428 So we drew up the first DNA warrant in Canada from scratch. 431 00:23:42,462 --> 00:23:44,733 Never been done before. 432 00:23:44,769 --> 00:23:47,800 And we got a judge's permission to take the samples. 433 00:23:47,834 --> 00:23:52,971 We were very confident that DNA was gonna save us in this case. 434 00:23:53,006 --> 00:23:54,873 Cause remember, we don't have a confession. 435 00:23:54,908 --> 00:23:56,375 All's we got is denial. 436 00:24:01,824 --> 00:24:03,693 Got the DNA results. 437 00:24:04,487 --> 00:24:05,897 That was too fast. 438 00:24:05,967 --> 00:24:09,478 Yup. It was contaminated from being in the ground. 439 00:24:09,725 --> 00:24:12,391 Don't tell me. Do not tell me. 440 00:24:12,425 --> 00:24:14,493 "No readable results." 441 00:24:17,697 --> 00:24:18,897 We've got nothing. 442 00:24:18,932 --> 00:24:20,259 Yeah. 443 00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:22,601 The fact that she had been buried in this wet ground, 444 00:24:22,635 --> 00:24:24,903 it ruined the DNA. We had no DNA. 445 00:24:24,938 --> 00:24:27,372 No physical evidence whatsoever. 446 00:24:27,407 --> 00:24:29,408 Without a confession, there wasn't a hope in hell 447 00:24:29,442 --> 00:24:30,743 we were gonna get a conviction. 448 00:24:35,956 --> 00:24:39,992 I don't wanna be the guy that works a case, 449 00:24:40,026 --> 00:24:44,129 that gets of this type and gets in front of a judge and-or jury, 450 00:24:44,164 --> 00:24:47,600 and the guy's let go. Can you imagine? 451 00:24:47,634 --> 00:24:50,603 The more serious the case you're taking to trial, 452 00:24:50,637 --> 00:24:52,989 the more tight your case has to be. 453 00:24:53,147 --> 00:24:56,952 We had no DNA. We had no trace evidence. 454 00:24:57,164 --> 00:24:59,122 We had Murray Lyons lying 455 00:24:59,131 --> 00:25:01,854 and then giving us a ridiculous, unbelievable story 456 00:25:01,987 --> 00:25:03,587 about leaving her in the middle of the woods. 457 00:25:03,622 --> 00:25:07,158 Without a confession, this case was going nowhere. 458 00:25:07,192 --> 00:25:09,026 I want another crack at him. 459 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:11,028 We can't talk to him. 460 00:25:11,062 --> 00:25:13,464 We'll need another charge now that he's in the court system. 461 00:25:13,498 --> 00:25:15,966 He's been charged. He's in jail. 462 00:25:16,001 --> 00:25:20,871 We have no more access on this charge to Murray Lyons. 463 00:25:20,906 --> 00:25:22,940 So no way to get a confession unless we talk to him 464 00:25:22,974 --> 00:25:24,375 and I can't talk to him. 465 00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:26,280 He's a thirty-five-year-old pedophile. 466 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,646 There's no way this murder is his first attack. 467 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,214 There's gotta be other victims out there. 468 00:25:30,248 --> 00:25:33,284 Victims that will come forward and press charges. 469 00:25:33,318 --> 00:25:34,769 How are we supposed to find them? 470 00:25:34,821 --> 00:25:37,044 We get the word out. We put his face all over the news. 471 00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:40,130 We beg people to come forward. I mean someone's gonna recognize him. 472 00:25:40,201 --> 00:25:43,160 Yeah, if they press charges, we'll get another shot at Lyons. 473 00:25:43,195 --> 00:25:44,895 Yeah. 474 00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:46,184 He had no criminal record, 475 00:25:46,209 --> 00:25:49,033 but we knew very well that a guy like this, 476 00:25:49,067 --> 00:25:52,002 that did what he did to Jackie, 477 00:25:52,037 --> 00:25:54,572 would've had to have done something along these lines before. 478 00:25:54,606 --> 00:25:56,507 Lyons was arrested early Monday morning 479 00:25:56,541 --> 00:25:59,443 here at his home in the Apple Blossom Trailer Park 480 00:25:59,477 --> 00:26:00,878 just north of Fredericton. 481 00:26:00,912 --> 00:26:02,780 This was all over Canadian news. 482 00:26:02,814 --> 00:26:05,082 His neighbour remembers when he was arrested. 483 00:26:05,116 --> 00:26:06,201 It was a shock. 484 00:26:06,334 --> 00:26:08,519 My wife kept all our kids home. I have three girls: 485 00:26:08,553 --> 00:26:12,089 eight, seven, six. And I got a little boy who's three. 486 00:26:12,123 --> 00:26:14,024 And my wife's just terrified. 487 00:26:14,059 --> 00:26:16,660 Just the anger that there are these types of people out there 488 00:26:16,695 --> 00:26:19,096 that would hurt a small child. 489 00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:23,467 When his picture hit national papers with a, you know, 490 00:26:23,501 --> 00:26:26,437 a storyline that he was unknown to police on top of that, 491 00:26:26,471 --> 00:26:28,339 but yet charged with first-degree murder, 492 00:26:28,373 --> 00:26:30,241 rape of a eight-year-old girl, 493 00:26:30,275 --> 00:26:33,203 that got the attention of two women. 494 00:26:33,415 --> 00:26:35,279 So when did you first notice him? 495 00:26:35,313 --> 00:26:40,907 I was cutting through an alley on my way home from school 496 00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:44,488 when this guy on a dirt bike comes riding beside me. 497 00:26:44,522 --> 00:26:47,408 He asks if I want a lift. 498 00:26:47,488 --> 00:26:51,962 Says he knows where I live so... I said OK. 499 00:26:51,997 --> 00:26:53,397 Then what happened, next? 500 00:26:53,431 --> 00:26:57,201 He said we'd just go around the block. 501 00:26:58,718 --> 00:27:00,237 Where did he take you? 502 00:27:00,272 --> 00:27:03,201 Into the forest. 503 00:27:03,245 --> 00:27:07,945 Then he said he needed to stop... 504 00:27:07,979 --> 00:27:12,916 that the engine was getting hot and he didn't want to burn it. 505 00:27:12,951 --> 00:27:19,185 When we got off the bike, he started to undo his pants. 506 00:27:23,923 --> 00:27:28,155 When it was over, he got back on the bike and took off. 507 00:27:28,667 --> 00:27:31,268 And he just left you there in the woods? 508 00:27:31,303 --> 00:27:34,738 Yeah. It was getting dark. 509 00:27:34,773 --> 00:27:37,941 It took a while to find my way home. 510 00:27:37,976 --> 00:27:40,477 I followed the power lines. 511 00:27:40,512 --> 00:27:43,013 And how old were you? 512 00:27:43,048 --> 00:27:45,916 I was eight. 513 00:27:48,853 --> 00:27:52,823 I was eight. 514 00:27:54,492 --> 00:27:57,294 We can interview Lyons in two weeks 515 00:27:57,329 --> 00:27:59,997 on those additional sexual assault charges. 516 00:28:00,031 --> 00:28:01,581 Good. 517 00:28:01,978 --> 00:28:03,671 I'll be ready. 518 00:28:03,874 --> 00:28:05,777 With these other two victims coming forward, 519 00:28:05,804 --> 00:28:08,305 we get to talk to him again about these two new cases. 520 00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:12,710 But it had to be carefully done. In a way that didn't show 521 00:28:12,744 --> 00:28:17,490 our true intention, which was really to talk to him about Jackie Clark. 522 00:28:17,596 --> 00:28:20,718 Most pedophiles were abused when they were kids. 523 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,321 If I can convince him that I understand his pain, 524 00:28:24,356 --> 00:28:26,668 maybe I can gain his trust. 525 00:28:27,625 --> 00:28:29,226 Maybe he'll talk. 526 00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:32,529 He's not just a pedophile. He's also a murderer. 527 00:28:32,564 --> 00:28:36,233 Which is why I'm hoping to get some help. 528 00:28:39,571 --> 00:28:42,239 The Atlantic Canada Law Enforcement Conference. 529 00:28:42,273 --> 00:28:45,376 The keynote speaker is Dr. Robert D. Keppel. 530 00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:48,879 Robert Keppel got Ted Bundy to confess 531 00:28:48,913 --> 00:28:51,415 to murders that they didn't even know about before 532 00:28:51,449 --> 00:28:53,917 he was executed and was the inspiration to 533 00:28:53,952 --> 00:28:55,619 The Silence of the Lambs. 534 00:28:55,653 --> 00:28:57,921 Get all the help you can. Bring anybody in. 535 00:28:57,956 --> 00:28:59,757 All hands on deck, right? 536 00:28:59,791 --> 00:29:02,960 So how do I get a confession? 537 00:29:02,994 --> 00:29:06,263 My professional opinion? You'll have to blame the girl. 538 00:29:06,297 --> 00:29:08,298 Excuse me? 539 00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:10,033 He's a homicidal pedophile. 540 00:29:10,068 --> 00:29:12,503 They very rarely blame themselves for their crimes. 541 00:29:12,537 --> 00:29:15,539 And you shouldn't, either. They'll blame their abusers; 542 00:29:15,573 --> 00:29:16,620 they'll blame their victims. 543 00:29:16,645 --> 00:29:18,041 But she's an eight-year-old girl. 544 00:29:18,076 --> 00:29:19,543 Doesn't matter. 545 00:29:19,577 --> 00:29:21,612 I was almost in shock. 546 00:29:21,646 --> 00:29:23,647 What are you talkin' about? She's eight! 547 00:29:23,681 --> 00:29:26,550 "No. This is what you need to do. Do your job." 548 00:29:26,584 --> 00:29:29,720 He'll believe the girl was responsible for her own death. 549 00:29:29,754 --> 00:29:32,122 By going off with a stranger. 550 00:29:32,157 --> 00:29:34,285 Exactly. If you want to get him to confess, 551 00:29:34,311 --> 00:29:36,794 you'll have to convince him that you blame her, too. 552 00:29:36,828 --> 00:29:40,931 I got this dirty piece of garbage I gotta deal with 553 00:29:40,965 --> 00:29:42,733 and this young girl. 554 00:29:42,767 --> 00:29:48,439 And here I have to go in and blame her in an interview, um, 555 00:29:48,473 --> 00:29:51,442 as a technique to get him to confess. 556 00:29:51,476 --> 00:29:55,245 And that was very distasteful. Very difficult. 557 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,481 I don't know if I can do that. 558 00:29:57,515 --> 00:30:00,584 If you can't do it, I suggest you find someone who can. 559 00:30:06,257 --> 00:30:08,258 I needed to stay emotionally detached 560 00:30:08,293 --> 00:30:11,295 from both Jackie and from her parents 561 00:30:11,329 --> 00:30:14,598 and to focus 100 percent of my energy on Murray Lyons. 562 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,570 In the meantime, Larry's focus was with Jackie's Mom and Dad. 563 00:30:23,141 --> 00:30:26,176 Jackie's teacher brought that by. 564 00:30:26,211 --> 00:30:28,946 It's a poem she wrote in class. 565 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:31,982 Give it to Mike. 566 00:30:32,016 --> 00:30:33,350 In case he ever loses hope, 567 00:30:33,384 --> 00:30:36,186 remind him who he's doing this for. 568 00:30:36,221 --> 00:30:38,288 I will. 569 00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:43,727 The Wind. 570 00:30:43,761 --> 00:30:45,696 The wind rustles through the leaves. 571 00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:49,399 Like angry ghosts on a stormy night 572 00:30:49,434 --> 00:30:53,637 It sings and stings... 573 00:30:53,671 --> 00:30:56,206 It talks and walks. 574 00:30:56,241 --> 00:30:58,809 It screams and howls. 575 00:30:58,843 --> 00:31:00,010 On a night of dark. 576 00:31:00,044 --> 00:31:03,614 But it sighs and cries. 577 00:31:03,648 --> 00:31:06,884 Tells a joke or two. Make it run. 578 00:31:06,918 --> 00:31:10,988 We play till it's time to say good-bye. 579 00:31:18,329 --> 00:31:23,233 I like to be alone myself at a crime scene. 580 00:31:23,268 --> 00:31:26,003 You can get a feel for things... 581 00:31:29,791 --> 00:31:32,136 you can see what the person saw. 582 00:31:36,247 --> 00:31:39,650 I got on one of the ATVs that we still have left over from 583 00:31:39,684 --> 00:31:41,885 the search and rescue and I drove the whole route. 584 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,662 I wanted to understand what made him tick. 585 00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:48,314 I was trying to find a way to connect with him, 586 00:31:48,358 --> 00:31:51,510 but what happened instead, was I connected with her. 587 00:31:51,571 --> 00:31:53,664 I saw what happened to her. 588 00:31:53,698 --> 00:31:56,533 She was alone... with this guy. 589 00:31:56,568 --> 00:32:00,337 He stunk. He was a human piece of shit. 590 00:32:00,371 --> 00:32:03,707 He did that to her alone in those woods. 591 00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:09,947 The closer I got to the crime scene, I just felt fear. 592 00:32:09,981 --> 00:32:14,585 The fear that she must have went through has always haunted me. 593 00:32:33,538 --> 00:32:36,039 I still had to do the interview. 594 00:32:36,074 --> 00:32:39,142 I didn't want to be that police officer that was blaming Jackie 595 00:32:39,177 --> 00:32:44,481 for her own rape and death. This is a complete sickening tactic. 596 00:32:44,515 --> 00:32:48,418 Knowing this could be played in open court bothered me. 597 00:32:48,453 --> 00:32:51,121 So what I did was turned to the camera and said... 598 00:32:51,155 --> 00:32:54,424 Murray Lyons is a pedophile and a murderer. 599 00:32:55,032 --> 00:32:57,266 He needs to face justice. 600 00:32:58,029 --> 00:32:59,529 So I'm going to have to say things 601 00:32:59,564 --> 00:33:05,655 that uh, disgust me. Sickening things. 602 00:33:08,906 --> 00:33:11,308 I think this is the only way to get him to confess 603 00:33:11,342 --> 00:33:14,885 so if you're watching, 604 00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:19,483 please know that many of the things I'm about to say 605 00:33:19,517 --> 00:33:21,687 I don't believe. 606 00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:30,655 We have this final chance to interview him. 607 00:33:30,689 --> 00:33:32,690 One more time, one more crack, that's it. 608 00:33:35,468 --> 00:33:36,735 We ready? 609 00:33:36,770 --> 00:33:38,937 Yeah... 610 00:33:39,739 --> 00:33:41,673 You know? I think we can do away with those. 611 00:33:41,708 --> 00:33:44,910 I don't think Murray is as dangerous as people make him out to be. 612 00:33:44,944 --> 00:33:46,678 So that was the strategy. 613 00:33:46,713 --> 00:33:49,148 I need to become his best friend. 614 00:33:52,752 --> 00:33:54,286 Do they look familiar? 615 00:33:57,123 --> 00:33:58,457 They should. 616 00:33:58,491 --> 00:34:01,226 They both said you touched them, sexually. 617 00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:05,998 Those girls never said anything before. 618 00:34:06,032 --> 00:34:08,734 I don't know why they didn't. 619 00:34:08,768 --> 00:34:12,404 I kinda wish they had. Maybe things would be different for you. 620 00:34:12,438 --> 00:34:15,741 We would have come and talked to you sooner. 621 00:34:15,775 --> 00:34:18,577 The understanding, the empathetic. 622 00:34:18,611 --> 00:34:20,813 Blame everything but him for what happened. 623 00:34:20,847 --> 00:34:24,883 If only you guys knew about me. 624 00:34:24,918 --> 00:34:27,519 That's just it, Murray. I do know about you. 625 00:34:29,644 --> 00:34:32,293 Something terrible happened to you when you were a kid, right? 626 00:34:34,961 --> 00:34:38,330 Someone taught you the wrong type of sexual behavior. 627 00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:42,568 - It changed my whole life. - Sure it did. 628 00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:46,471 And I bet whoever did it to you 629 00:34:46,506 --> 00:34:47,840 had it done to them. 630 00:34:49,075 --> 00:34:50,451 How old were you? 631 00:34:51,644 --> 00:34:53,245 Six or seven. 632 00:34:53,279 --> 00:34:56,748 I don't know how anybody could deal with that. 633 00:34:56,783 --> 00:34:59,451 No one can. 634 00:34:59,485 --> 00:35:02,621 I mean this is the kind of stuff that stays with you your whole life. 635 00:35:02,655 --> 00:35:07,993 Whoever did this to you, they set you on the wrong path. 636 00:35:09,167 --> 00:35:10,596 Once he agrees to 637 00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:12,361 "Yes, I was molested when I was a kid. 638 00:35:12,405 --> 00:35:15,467 That explains my behaviour." Perfect. 639 00:35:15,501 --> 00:35:17,102 Let's move on to the next thing. 640 00:35:17,136 --> 00:35:19,938 You combine that with the fact that you run into these 641 00:35:19,973 --> 00:35:25,310 two beautiful free-spirited young girls. 642 00:35:25,345 --> 00:35:31,516 Acting all inappropriate. I mean that puts you into a real bind! 643 00:35:31,551 --> 00:35:33,852 It's like putting fuel on a fire. 644 00:35:33,887 --> 00:35:37,356 I bet you they even consented to some of the stuff. 645 00:35:37,390 --> 00:35:39,825 They never said nothing. 646 00:35:39,859 --> 00:35:42,794 Nah, they didn't. But they should have. 647 00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:45,898 I bet you it's because they felt guilty for bringing it on. 648 00:35:47,269 --> 00:35:52,237 But now? They have talked. And they let it out. 649 00:35:52,272 --> 00:35:54,506 And I'll tell you, Murray; I've seen it in their eyes. 650 00:35:56,191 --> 00:35:57,676 They feel better. 651 00:35:57,710 --> 00:36:00,312 And you will, too. 652 00:36:00,346 --> 00:36:02,047 They'll hate me now. 653 00:36:02,081 --> 00:36:05,017 Using the two victims that came forward, 654 00:36:05,051 --> 00:36:06,985 slowly but surely, we just started 655 00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:10,155 to eke back into the Jackie Clark case. 656 00:36:10,189 --> 00:36:13,859 I'll bet you it was the same thing when you met Jackie, right? 657 00:36:13,893 --> 00:36:16,395 Just like the other girls? 658 00:36:17,528 --> 00:36:19,353 She got on your ATV. 659 00:36:22,835 --> 00:36:25,804 All her friends, right? 660 00:36:25,838 --> 00:36:29,608 They knew better than to take a ride with a stranger. 661 00:36:29,642 --> 00:36:33,211 But not Jackie. She got right on. 662 00:36:33,246 --> 00:36:36,114 It's the same thing every time, right? 663 00:36:41,888 --> 00:36:43,546 Come on, Murray. 664 00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:47,279 It's just going to haunt you unless you let it out. 665 00:37:02,875 --> 00:37:08,413 Here. When I got to the culvert, 666 00:37:08,448 --> 00:37:11,283 I thought to myself, 667 00:37:11,317 --> 00:37:16,455 you know, if I were you, that's where I would go. 668 00:37:16,489 --> 00:37:19,424 Is that where you took her, Murray? 669 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,696 No? Was it before that? By the stream? 670 00:37:28,934 --> 00:37:30,989 It was after, I think. 671 00:37:34,107 --> 00:37:35,976 Can you show me on this map? 672 00:37:41,914 --> 00:37:43,348 Not on this map. 673 00:37:43,383 --> 00:37:46,251 You know what? 674 00:37:46,285 --> 00:37:49,454 Sometimes these maps are hard to follow. 675 00:37:49,489 --> 00:37:51,823 Can we just go out there today? 676 00:37:51,858 --> 00:37:54,393 Just you and me. 677 00:37:55,395 --> 00:37:57,696 Can you show me? 678 00:37:57,730 --> 00:37:59,231 I wanted him to take us to where 679 00:37:59,265 --> 00:38:01,500 this all happened and show us what happened. 680 00:38:06,339 --> 00:38:08,340 Larry and I were in the car with Murray and uh, 681 00:38:08,374 --> 00:38:11,109 we just basically said "OK, Murray, tell us where to go." 682 00:38:11,144 --> 00:38:14,579 He took us right out to the murder site on his own, 683 00:38:14,614 --> 00:38:17,849 walked into the woods, walked up the trail. He led the way. 684 00:38:17,884 --> 00:38:22,254 There's no way anyone would've known exactly where and how, 685 00:38:22,288 --> 00:38:25,855 what would happen, unless it was him. So it was great evidence. 686 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,393 So this is where you took her? 687 00:38:35,368 --> 00:38:37,035 I bet you the minute you got here, 688 00:38:38,129 --> 00:38:40,907 that old switch just turned right on again, didn't it? 689 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,844 I bet you just couldn't control it. Huh, Murray? 690 00:38:47,706 --> 00:38:49,881 You know you don't want to be that way. 691 00:38:49,916 --> 00:38:50,989 I get it. 692 00:38:52,351 --> 00:38:53,351 You know what, Murray? 693 00:38:53,386 --> 00:38:55,554 It's not your fault. 694 00:38:55,588 --> 00:38:58,657 It's not your fault. 695 00:38:58,691 --> 00:39:03,061 It's that guy that hurt you when you were a kid. 696 00:39:03,096 --> 00:39:04,196 It's his fault. 697 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:07,866 It's all those little girls 698 00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:12,534 teasing you. It's their fault, Murray. 699 00:39:12,657 --> 00:39:15,540 Listen to me; it is their fault. 700 00:39:15,575 --> 00:39:20,645 And here you are: alone in the woods with Jackie. 701 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,648 She starts screaming at you. 702 00:39:23,683 --> 00:39:28,325 She should know better than to scream at you. Right? 703 00:39:28,387 --> 00:39:31,256 She should know better than to get on that ATV. 704 00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:34,593 She should know better than to talk to a stranger. 705 00:39:34,627 --> 00:39:36,728 She should know better! 706 00:39:36,762 --> 00:39:39,716 Than to talk to you that way. All precocious. 707 00:39:40,025 --> 00:39:42,033 Murray's body language changed 708 00:39:42,068 --> 00:39:43,735 when we started blaming Jackie. 709 00:39:43,769 --> 00:39:45,337 He's almost nodding. He's agreeing. 710 00:39:45,371 --> 00:39:49,608 His demeanor was agreeable as opposed to defiant. 711 00:39:49,642 --> 00:39:54,246 What were you expected to do in that situation, huh Murray? 712 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,314 So you strangled her. 713 00:40:03,055 --> 00:40:05,724 Is this where you strangled her, Murray? 714 00:40:10,417 --> 00:40:13,627 And what did you use to strangle her, Murray? 715 00:40:16,636 --> 00:40:19,137 A bungee cord from my ATV. 716 00:40:22,975 --> 00:40:24,456 A bungee cord. 717 00:40:25,329 --> 00:40:28,380 And I can remember the relief when he confessed. 718 00:40:28,414 --> 00:40:30,148 It was a surprise that he did. 719 00:40:30,183 --> 00:40:32,450 Larry and I were basically crying. 720 00:40:32,485 --> 00:40:36,188 We got him. We absolutely nailed him. 721 00:40:37,823 --> 00:40:40,258 I couldn't understand that. It was so far beyond 722 00:40:40,293 --> 00:40:43,261 what I'd ever dealt with before so the last thing I said to him 723 00:40:43,296 --> 00:40:44,763 when we were in the woods was uh, 724 00:40:54,373 --> 00:40:57,542 That was his advice. 725 00:40:57,577 --> 00:41:00,845 Basically admitting he's a monster. 726 00:41:02,815 --> 00:41:04,883 The court ruled today that Murray Lyons 727 00:41:04,917 --> 00:41:07,953 killed Jackie Clark while sexually assaulting her. 728 00:41:07,987 --> 00:41:11,523 That means Lyons is guilty of first-degree murder. 729 00:41:11,557 --> 00:41:13,825 The automatic sentence is life in prison 730 00:41:13,859 --> 00:41:16,494 with no chance of parole for twenty-five years. 731 00:41:16,529 --> 00:41:20,031 After the verdict, Jackie Clark's parents did issue 732 00:41:20,066 --> 00:41:21,800 a written statement which read 733 00:41:21,834 --> 00:41:24,513 "No matter what sentence Murray Lyons is given, 734 00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:26,871 it will never be enough." 735 00:41:29,242 --> 00:41:34,379 Jackie was a young child. Very bright. 736 00:41:34,413 --> 00:41:39,017 Articulate. Friendly. 737 00:41:39,051 --> 00:41:44,055 I have carried the scars of this case my whole life. 738 00:41:46,359 --> 00:41:49,027 It haunts me today. 739 00:41:56,268 --> 00:42:01,621 - Sync and corrections by ByDem - - www.addic7ed.com - 56983

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