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Hey Mom, can we go to the pond?
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I don't know. It's getting a bit late.
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What's wrong with playing
in the back yard?
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It's boring. Come on, Mom. Please?
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Hello! Who's your new friend?
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Oh, that's Jackie.
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Hello Jackie. It's nice to meet you.
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Back before sunset.
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Come on, Robyn.
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Three young kids going
out to the frog pound
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to play on a Saturday night.
That's how this story started.
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How many did you catch in here?
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I think maybe like one, two,
three, four, five...
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The frog pond that the
kids were playing at
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bordered a residential
area where they all lived.
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It's not like they were way
out in the woods playing.
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They were in their own neighbourhood.
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Hello?
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This is not a kid that just went out
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after supper to play
and didn't come home.
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No. No, Matthew got home
a little while ago.
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When did Jackie's parents call?
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Something was wrong. Deeply wrong.
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Are you sure Jackie went home?
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She just walked off into the woods.
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It was a horrible case.
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I'm not the only one that
hasn't wanted to talk about it.
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This is the most I've ever
talked about it to anybody.
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None of us had dealt
with anything like this
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and we'd all dealt with a lot
of death and a lot of,
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of, you know, what police
work brings into your life.
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But nothing like this. This was
completely off the charts.
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I was working in the barn with
my horses and my wife came out
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and said the office has called;
they need you to go in.
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It was nine or ten in the morning.
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They had told me that
there was a missing child
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and that my help was required.
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That my partner, Larry,
was asking for me.
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Where are we with the search?
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I've set up a command post
near an abandoned cabin.
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There's a ground search in
progress, RCMP helicopter
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in the air. But that's not
why I called you in.
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It's about the kids.
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Have we talked to them?
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They both said that she
wandered off into the woods,
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- and then...
- What's my sister doing here?
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It's why I called you in.
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One of the kids
at the pond was your nephew.
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That was a bit surreal.
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To have your own family involved
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in the worst case you've ever worked on.
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Cath!
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Mike! Oh, thank God you're here.
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Hey. What's going on? Where's Matt?
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He's here. Please. Please talk to him.
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He was with Jackie last night.
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Is he OK?
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He said Jackie wandered off
into the woods.
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But then I heard them searching and
I heard the helicopters overhead.
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I knew something was very, very wrong.
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So I went back up to see him.
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Jackie didn't wander off, Mike.
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She was taken.
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Everything shifted then.
Everything became more urgent.
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I'll go talk to him.
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This is not a
missing kid at this point, right?
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This is some sort of abduction.
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Why don't you just
tell me what happened?
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Tell me about the man.
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He was on an ATV.
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Do you remember what he said to Jackie?
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He said "come on and get a
ride and we'll be right back."
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She said yes.
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So she knew him?
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I think so.
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Was he her uncle? Father? Brother?
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I don't know, Uncle Mike.
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I'm sorry. I don't know those people.
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It's OK. It's OK, buddy.
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Do you remember what he looked like?
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He had a beard.
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All right! He had a beard.
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Look Matt, I want you to talk
to someone for me.
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He's going to come in here; he's
going to draw a picture of the man.
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But he needs your help, all right?
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How long has she been missing?
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- Since 8:30 last night.
- God dammit!
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He certainly felt that
he was in the middle
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of now something terribly important.
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He became our single
most critical witness,
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especially at that stage.
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Thanks.
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You did good, Matt. Real good.
I'm proud of you.
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It's amazing the accuracy of memory
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that an eight-year-old has.
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Get some sleep, OK?
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The detail that he gave was remarkable.
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But you put a helmet
on a guy with a beard
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and they all look the same.
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Jackie Clark was last
seen on Saturday night.
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Riding through the woods
on an all-terrain vehicle
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with the bearded suspect.
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Hundreds of volunteers combed the woods
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and still more fresh
searchers piled into
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the police command post
this morning looking for clues.
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The search leads into
a vast wooded area:
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miles and miles and miles of woods.
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My job, with Larry,
was to work the case,
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work tips at a headquarters
they had set up.
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This one saw an ATV being
driven through a culvert
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under a highway last night
about a kilometer from the pond.
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The culvert's right here.
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There was a girl out front.
Says she was screaming
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but he thought it was because she got
splashed when they went through.
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The guy was wearing
a helmet and a beard.
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Here's another one. Four
kms out by the hydro line.
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Third one from the hydro line.
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There were not a lot of tips.
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There was very few tips, actually.
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The pattern of the tips were
to the north of the city.
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So the direction of this search
grid was all predicated on that.
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This is weird.
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Steve Carbonneau.
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He says he saw a girl
crying in his back yard.
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He swears that it's Jackie Clark.
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The guy with the car dealership?
The guy lives all the way
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- over here. Doesn't make sense.
- But why would a guy like that
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make something up?
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Yeah. It's so far from
the other sightings.
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It says here it's at 6 a.m.
in the morning.
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All the other sightings were at night.
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The tip that threw the
investigation off.
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The person called 911 dispatch
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because he was woken by a child crying.
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But in a different
direction of the search.
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But such a credible tip
from a very well respected
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businessman in our community.
A stand-up guy.
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We need to go talk to him.
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I was standing right
over here in that window.
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And I hear someone crying.
Out here. So I come outside...
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And that's where I saw her.
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What was she doing?
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Just sitting there. Holding her legs.
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Rocking back and forth.
She looked terrified.
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Did you try and help her?
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Yeah, of course. But she was so scared.
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She wouldn't come in the house. She
wouldn't even tell me her name.
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So I went inside to call you guys.
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Before I go in, I look back...
She's gone.
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Hey, you guys know me.
I wouldn't make this up.
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I dealt with witnesses all the time.
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The demeanour of him when asked
about this is nothing
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but truthful, 100 percent.
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No reason not to believe him whatsoever.
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How do you know it was Jackie Clark?
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He's describing a young child
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dressed exactly like Jackie.
He shouldn't have known that.
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There was facts of the case
hadn't been released
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to that point. For example,
her description.
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And that's the last place you saw her?
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Yeah.
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There was a huge sense
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of relief when that call came in, right?
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Oh my God, somebody's seen her!
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Everybody was convinced
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that was her and that
she was gonna be found.
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She is missing, presumed
abducted and presumed alive.
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The entire search moved
based on that tip.
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Instead of going north, they went west.
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Hundreds of people in Fredericton
have pulled together
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in the search for Jackie.
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But that area was totally searched.
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And it came up with nothing.
She wasn't there.
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I have no explanation for that.
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But it happened.
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The search team moved back to the
original grid north of the city.
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Jackie's mom was worried,
scared, devastated.
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Like any parent would be.
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It doesn't make sense.
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She wouldn't go off with a stranger.
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We have witnesses that say
otherwise. I'm sorry.
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- Is this Jackie's?
- Mm hm.
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Before I met Bruce, it was
just me and Jackie for years.
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- Bruce?
- Her step-dad.
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He's the only father she's ever known.
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He's out looking for her.
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How's their relationship?
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They're both stubborn
but they get along.
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So he was here when Jackie went missing.
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Uh, yeah.
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What did you two do that night?
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I was here watching my son.
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With Bruce?
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No. He was out.
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Oh God!
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She's such a sweet, shy girl.
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She's never been gone this long!
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Where... where is she?
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I had to stay emotionally
detached from the family.
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It's not easy to do but you
have to satisfy yourself
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that there's no family
connection to this.
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- Who is that?
- That's Bruce.
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Who the hell are you?
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When I first saw Bruce?
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He resembled the suspect as described
by our witness, my nephew.
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Where were you last night, Bruce?
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I was out searching. What do you think?
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No, I mean before Jackie went missing.
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Went for coffee.
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With who?
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Alone.
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Does this look familiar?
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You think this is me?
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You think I took my own step-daughter?
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We're not saying that.
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We just want to cross as many
names off the list as we can.
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Listen. Do you mind if I take
a picture of you, Bruce?
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This is crap.
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Yeah. Make it quick.
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I gotta get back out there.
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Do you remember anything
the man was wearing?
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OK.
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How about this?
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Is this the man you saw?
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No. I don't know.
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No? Or you don't know?
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I don't know, Uncle Mike.
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Come on, Matt. This is important.
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He was frightened... worried.
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His uncle, the detective,
coming to the house
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showing him pictures.
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It was all over the news.
That's a big deal.
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Maybe it's time for a break.
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Yeah. I'm sorry, Matt.
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You're doing a good job.
I'm proud of you. We all are.
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Hey! What was that Polaroid all about?
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We need an ID.
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Then show a few photos
of different people.
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Or do a line-up.
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We don't have time for a line-up!
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Jackie's still out there.
Her life is at stake.
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Showing a single Polaroid to a kid
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won't hold up in court. You know that.
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As long as there's a
chance she's still alive,
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that's a risk I'm willing to take.
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Look, I know it's not ideal. But...
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what other choice do we have?
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Showing the single photograph was risky,
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but the reason it was done was
because she was still missing
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and the focus was to find her.
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I felt it was more important
to try to find her
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than it was to follow some
sort of judicial procedure.
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So, that's what I did.
255
00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:31,045
Throughout the day,
these tips are rolling in.
256
00:12:31,079 --> 00:12:34,582
Not as many as we'd hoped but a
tip came in about checking a guy
257
00:12:34,616 --> 00:12:37,752
who lives in a trailer park
outside of Fredericton.
258
00:12:39,388 --> 00:12:41,789
Now this trailer park, if
you would draw a straight line
259
00:12:41,824 --> 00:12:43,464
from the frog pond and
where she was last
260
00:12:43,489 --> 00:12:45,026
seen by this witness that was fishing,
261
00:12:45,060 --> 00:12:46,834
if you drew a straight line more or
262
00:12:46,859 --> 00:12:48,987
less, that's where you're gonna end up.
263
00:12:54,269 --> 00:12:58,172
And while there, we notice
an ATV outside of a trailer
264
00:12:58,207 --> 00:13:00,541
that was similar to what
we were looking for.
265
00:13:09,751 --> 00:13:11,953
Good morning, ma'am.
266
00:13:11,987 --> 00:13:14,324
Is that your ATV out front?
267
00:13:14,607 --> 00:13:17,776
Murray! What's this about?
268
00:13:17,837 --> 00:13:20,595
We're in the neighbourhood
looking for a missing child.
269
00:13:20,629 --> 00:13:22,076
The girl from the news?
270
00:13:22,155 --> 00:13:23,416
That's right.
271
00:13:24,733 --> 00:13:28,736
Hello, sir. I'm Detective Mike Richard.
272
00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:30,002
Murray Lyons.
273
00:13:30,038 --> 00:13:32,039
She calls for Murray;
Murray comes to the door.
274
00:13:32,074 --> 00:13:35,610
Hm. Murray has a beard.
275
00:13:35,644 --> 00:13:38,613
Is that your ATV out front, Mr. Lyons?
276
00:13:38,647 --> 00:13:40,414
Yeah.
277
00:13:40,449 --> 00:13:42,413
When was the last time
you took it for a ride?
278
00:13:42,493 --> 00:13:44,609
A while ago. It don't work.
279
00:13:45,754 --> 00:13:48,289
Well listen, we're knocking on doors,
280
00:13:48,323 --> 00:13:50,324
canvassing the neighbourhood.
281
00:13:50,359 --> 00:13:52,860
You mind telling me what
you were doing last night?
282
00:13:52,895 --> 00:13:54,729
Working on the ATV.
283
00:13:54,763 --> 00:13:56,330
Oh, yeah? What's wrong with it?
284
00:13:56,365 --> 00:13:58,399
It doesn't work right. Breaks down.
285
00:13:58,433 --> 00:14:01,269
Listen, while we're canvassing
the neighbourhood,
286
00:14:01,303 --> 00:14:03,404
we're taking photos. Do you mind?
287
00:14:03,438 --> 00:14:06,807
Nah. I don't think so.
288
00:14:06,842 --> 00:14:09,010
Come on, Murray, it's for
the girl from the news.
289
00:14:16,652 --> 00:14:18,185
All right.
290
00:14:23,492 --> 00:14:27,662
Now you're sure you didn't
take your ATV out last night?
291
00:14:27,696 --> 00:14:29,597
Maybe even for a test drive?
292
00:14:29,631 --> 00:14:31,966
I stayed in last night. I didn't go out.
293
00:14:33,878 --> 00:14:37,024
OK. Thank you.
294
00:14:40,024 --> 00:14:45,012
OK, Matt. Is this the man?
295
00:14:47,616 --> 00:14:48,616
Matt?
296
00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:51,285
That's him!
297
00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,688
His eyes wide open and
he starts to shake.
298
00:14:53,722 --> 00:14:57,725
"That's him! That's him!"
299
00:15:04,207 --> 00:15:05,974
Once that positive
identification was made,
300
00:15:06,009 --> 00:15:09,178
Larry and I returned
immediately to the trailer
301
00:15:09,212 --> 00:15:11,246
to arrest Murray Lyons.
302
00:15:21,524 --> 00:15:22,694
Get up!
303
00:15:27,674 --> 00:15:30,877
Murray Lyons, you're under arrest
for the abduction of Jackie Clark.
304
00:15:32,705 --> 00:15:35,715
Where is she? Hey! Where is she?
305
00:15:36,462 --> 00:15:39,898
Hey! Stay right there!
Don't move. Where is she?
306
00:15:41,768 --> 00:15:44,703
She's still missing.
307
00:15:44,737 --> 00:15:47,057
The clock was ticking.
The more time that went on,
308
00:15:47,082 --> 00:15:48,702
the more urgent this got.
309
00:15:50,143 --> 00:15:51,235
Jackie!
310
00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:53,168
And he's been identified as the guy
311
00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:55,625
who took her from that
frog pond on an ATV.
312
00:15:55,659 --> 00:15:58,428
Jackie!
313
00:16:07,004 --> 00:16:09,238
Have you ever been in trouble before?
314
00:16:09,273 --> 00:16:11,441
Nah. Nothin'.
315
00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:13,943
This Murray Lyons guy
was unknown to police.
316
00:16:13,977 --> 00:16:16,679
No criminal record;
they never heard of him before.
317
00:16:19,983 --> 00:16:22,145
I'm still relying on an
eight-year-old witness.
318
00:16:22,242 --> 00:16:24,932
That identification was
going to be highly,
319
00:16:24,957 --> 00:16:26,673
highly questioned in court.
320
00:16:27,825 --> 00:16:29,725
Do you recognize this girl?
321
00:16:32,585 --> 00:16:33,855
No.
322
00:16:36,603 --> 00:16:39,335
The first hour and a half
or so, he completely denied
323
00:16:39,369 --> 00:16:42,238
all of it. We've got 24 hours to
get him in front of the judge
324
00:16:42,272 --> 00:16:43,606
or release him.
325
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,242
That clock's ticking as
we are talking to him,
326
00:16:46,276 --> 00:16:49,212
plus Jackie Clark is still missing.
And we have no idea
327
00:16:49,246 --> 00:16:51,013
what's happened to her. None.
328
00:16:51,048 --> 00:16:54,750
We have absolutely no evidence
whatsoever at this point.
329
00:16:54,785 --> 00:16:58,454
We have witnesses who saw you
riding your ATV last night.
330
00:16:58,489 --> 00:16:59,689
Someone said that?
331
00:16:59,716 --> 00:17:02,892
More than one. Do you know the
number of calls we've gotten?
332
00:17:02,926 --> 00:17:06,295
The number of people
out there looking for her?
333
00:17:09,032 --> 00:17:11,801
Maybe I took it out last night.
To see if I can get it working.
334
00:17:11,835 --> 00:17:15,037
Maybe you took it out last
night? You don't remember?
335
00:17:16,507 --> 00:17:18,274
You don't remember seeing kids playing?
336
00:17:18,308 --> 00:17:22,812
Down by the pond? You don't
remember seeing Jackie Clark?
337
00:17:24,272 --> 00:17:25,682
No, I was never there.
338
00:17:31,908 --> 00:17:36,125
He was literally
stone-cold, like a rock.
339
00:17:36,159 --> 00:17:38,861
We know that she was on your ATV
340
00:17:38,896 --> 00:17:42,241
and that you went through
a culvert. You were seen.
341
00:17:42,444 --> 00:17:44,667
And she was seen screaming
because she got splashed.
342
00:17:44,701 --> 00:17:46,369
Now think about it, Murray.
343
00:17:46,403 --> 00:17:50,339
How do we know all those
details if they weren't true?
344
00:17:50,374 --> 00:17:54,810
I picked her up. I dropped her
off. And that's all I did.
345
00:17:54,845 --> 00:17:56,379
What do you mean you dropped her off?
346
00:17:56,413 --> 00:17:58,381
What did you do with her?
She's still missing.
347
00:17:58,415 --> 00:17:59,949
Where is she?
348
00:17:59,983 --> 00:18:01,984
I let her off. The ATV was acting up.
349
00:18:02,019 --> 00:18:04,820
Where? In the middle
of the woods? Show me!
350
00:18:04,855 --> 00:18:07,690
It's nine o'clock at night;
she's eight years old.
351
00:18:07,724 --> 00:18:09,992
So you want us to believe
that you drove her out
352
00:18:10,019 --> 00:18:12,862
in the middle of the woods
and let her off and drive home.
353
00:18:12,896 --> 00:18:14,830
That's what you want us to believe.
354
00:18:14,865 --> 00:18:16,866
Yeah, that's what happened.
355
00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:19,869
Please, Murray. We need to go out there
356
00:18:19,903 --> 00:18:22,004
and we need to find her.
357
00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:24,707
Think of that poor little girl
all alone in the woods.
358
00:18:24,741 --> 00:18:27,710
Think of her family.
359
00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,505
Detective. Can I have a sec?
360
00:18:45,762 --> 00:18:48,564
He's about to crack!
361
00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:50,433
We found a girl's body in the woods.
362
00:18:50,467 --> 00:18:54,103
Between the pond and
Murray Lyons' place.
363
00:18:58,735 --> 00:19:01,143
The murder of
eight-year-old Jackie Clark
364
00:19:01,178 --> 00:19:04,480
has evoked anger and shock
in this small city.
365
00:19:04,514 --> 00:19:08,284
An exhaustive two-day search
turned up her battered body
366
00:19:08,318 --> 00:19:09,786
in the woods near her home.
367
00:19:10,077 --> 00:19:12,593
The little girl was strangled to death.
368
00:19:13,462 --> 00:19:16,611
That was the worst-case scenario.
369
00:19:17,122 --> 00:19:20,309
Right? It was the absolute
worst-case scenario.
370
00:19:20,477 --> 00:19:22,356
And there it was right in front of you.
371
00:19:41,461 --> 00:19:43,829
Surreal is what it was,
completely surreal
372
00:19:43,863 --> 00:19:45,042
to see this scene.
373
00:19:45,113 --> 00:19:51,336
To see that girl dead... at that spot.
374
00:19:51,371 --> 00:19:54,339
Not only had he killed her,
he violently raped her.
375
00:19:54,374 --> 00:19:56,783
She was only eight.
376
00:20:06,719 --> 00:20:08,993
It's OK. You can go home now, Reilly.
377
00:20:10,933 --> 00:20:12,157
I'm not leaving her.
378
00:20:13,438 --> 00:20:15,227
I don't think that's such a good idea.
379
00:20:16,690 --> 00:20:17,705
I don't care.
380
00:20:18,731 --> 00:20:20,966
I put Randy Reilly in
charge of the scene
381
00:20:20,991 --> 00:20:22,267
and the body.
382
00:20:23,035 --> 00:20:25,169
And Randy had kids of that age.
383
00:20:32,412 --> 00:20:35,080
This is like a bomb went off.
384
00:20:35,114 --> 00:20:39,418
The closer you were to Ground
Zero, the worse it was.
385
00:20:43,222 --> 00:20:46,124
He was guarding Ground Zero.
386
00:20:47,326 --> 00:20:49,628
And he never left her.
387
00:20:53,566 --> 00:20:58,429
At the autopsy, they had no way
of weighing a body that small.
388
00:20:58,605 --> 00:21:01,757
And Randy stepped right in. He
said "No, stay away from her."
389
00:21:02,409 --> 00:21:07,044
And he picked her up and he weighed her.
390
00:21:11,591 --> 00:21:13,625
I'll never forget it. He was
just standing there shaking,
391
00:21:13,659 --> 00:21:15,382
crying.
392
00:21:16,763 --> 00:21:23,468
Holding her uh, her dead body
on those scales. Very sad. Yeah.
393
00:21:27,607 --> 00:21:30,742
Cause of death appears
to be manual strangulation.
394
00:21:30,777 --> 00:21:33,445
We found some possible DNA,
but we'll need a sample
395
00:21:33,479 --> 00:21:35,327
from him for comparison.
396
00:21:47,447 --> 00:21:50,082
The charges were actually
drafted up as abduction,
397
00:21:50,116 --> 00:21:53,218
but when she was found dead, it was
changed to second-degree murder
398
00:21:53,253 --> 00:21:55,888
and when it was very obvious
that she'd been raped,
399
00:21:55,922 --> 00:21:58,724
then it was changed
to first-degree murder.
400
00:21:58,758 --> 00:22:02,061
I had been in a room with men
who have killed other people.
401
00:22:02,095 --> 00:22:06,365
But not an eight-year-old.
And not raped them.
402
00:22:06,399 --> 00:22:09,368
We found her.
403
00:22:09,402 --> 00:22:12,691
Jackie Clark.
404
00:22:14,174 --> 00:22:16,742
I saw what you did.
405
00:22:16,776 --> 00:22:21,529
Now things are gonna go a lot
easier for you if you cooperate.
406
00:22:21,554 --> 00:22:24,717
You guys think I did something I didn't.
407
00:22:24,751 --> 00:22:27,720
I just dropped her off.
408
00:22:28,288 --> 00:22:30,492
OK, well?
409
00:22:30,615 --> 00:22:33,459
We're just gonna need a blood
sample so we can clear your name.
410
00:22:37,269 --> 00:22:39,264
I don't think so.
411
00:22:39,299 --> 00:22:43,235
In June of 1995, there was no legal way
412
00:22:43,269 --> 00:22:45,137
to get samples from an accused.
413
00:22:45,171 --> 00:22:47,406
It was unbelievable, the frustration.
414
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,508
I never felt that before.
415
00:22:49,542 --> 00:22:52,511
The sun was coming up.
We interrogated him all night.
416
00:22:52,545 --> 00:22:54,947
We got a knock on the door
from our boss and said
417
00:22:54,981 --> 00:22:57,049
"You need to step out."
418
00:22:57,083 --> 00:23:00,152
You had to have anybody
taken into police custody
419
00:23:00,186 --> 00:23:02,521
in front of a judge
within twenty-four hours.
420
00:23:05,792 --> 00:23:09,261
That's all we had at that point: a
bunch of circumstantial evidence.
421
00:23:09,295 --> 00:23:11,730
That is a far cry from
a good murder case.
422
00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:13,966
It was a horrible case.
It was enough to hold him
423
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,201
is all it was. Enough to
charge him and hold him.
424
00:23:16,236 --> 00:23:19,004
Nothing more.
425
00:23:21,207 --> 00:23:22,989
He won't confess.
426
00:23:24,844 --> 00:23:27,680
Without consent from a DNA sample...
427
00:23:27,714 --> 00:23:31,183
We might not need him to.
428
00:23:34,888 --> 00:23:36,772
The DNA warrant legislation
429
00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:38,891
changed during the middle of our case.
430
00:23:38,925 --> 00:23:42,428
So we drew up the first DNA
warrant in Canada from scratch.
431
00:23:42,462 --> 00:23:44,733
Never been done before.
432
00:23:44,769 --> 00:23:47,800
And we got a judge's permission
to take the samples.
433
00:23:47,834 --> 00:23:52,971
We were very confident that DNA
was gonna save us in this case.
434
00:23:53,006 --> 00:23:54,873
Cause remember,
we don't have a confession.
435
00:23:54,908 --> 00:23:56,375
All's we got is denial.
436
00:24:01,824 --> 00:24:03,693
Got the DNA results.
437
00:24:04,487 --> 00:24:05,897
That was too fast.
438
00:24:05,967 --> 00:24:09,478
Yup. It was contaminated
from being in the ground.
439
00:24:09,725 --> 00:24:12,391
Don't tell me. Do not tell me.
440
00:24:12,425 --> 00:24:14,493
"No readable results."
441
00:24:17,697 --> 00:24:18,897
We've got nothing.
442
00:24:18,932 --> 00:24:20,259
Yeah.
443
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:22,601
The fact that she had been
buried in this wet ground,
444
00:24:22,635 --> 00:24:24,903
it ruined the DNA. We had no DNA.
445
00:24:24,938 --> 00:24:27,372
No physical evidence whatsoever.
446
00:24:27,407 --> 00:24:29,408
Without a confession,
there wasn't a hope in hell
447
00:24:29,442 --> 00:24:30,743
we were gonna get a conviction.
448
00:24:35,956 --> 00:24:39,992
I don't wanna be the guy
that works a case,
449
00:24:40,026 --> 00:24:44,129
that gets of this type and gets
in front of a judge and-or jury,
450
00:24:44,164 --> 00:24:47,600
and the guy's let go. Can you imagine?
451
00:24:47,634 --> 00:24:50,603
The more serious the case
you're taking to trial,
452
00:24:50,637 --> 00:24:52,989
the more tight your case has to be.
453
00:24:53,147 --> 00:24:56,952
We had no DNA. We had no trace evidence.
454
00:24:57,164 --> 00:24:59,122
We had Murray Lyons lying
455
00:24:59,131 --> 00:25:01,854
and then giving us a ridiculous,
unbelievable story
456
00:25:01,987 --> 00:25:03,587
about leaving her in the
middle of the woods.
457
00:25:03,622 --> 00:25:07,158
Without a confession,
this case was going nowhere.
458
00:25:07,192 --> 00:25:09,026
I want another crack at him.
459
00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:11,028
We can't talk to him.
460
00:25:11,062 --> 00:25:13,464
We'll need another charge now
that he's in the court system.
461
00:25:13,498 --> 00:25:15,966
He's been charged. He's in jail.
462
00:25:16,001 --> 00:25:20,871
We have no more access on
this charge to Murray Lyons.
463
00:25:20,906 --> 00:25:22,940
So no way to get a confession
unless we talk to him
464
00:25:22,974 --> 00:25:24,375
and I can't talk to him.
465
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:26,280
He's a thirty-five-year-old pedophile.
466
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,646
There's no way this murder
is his first attack.
467
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,214
There's gotta be other
victims out there.
468
00:25:30,248 --> 00:25:33,284
Victims that will come
forward and press charges.
469
00:25:33,318 --> 00:25:34,769
How are we supposed to find them?
470
00:25:34,821 --> 00:25:37,044
We get the word out. We put
his face all over the news.
471
00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:40,130
We beg people to come forward. I
mean someone's gonna recognize him.
472
00:25:40,201 --> 00:25:43,160
Yeah, if they press charges,
we'll get another shot at Lyons.
473
00:25:43,195 --> 00:25:44,895
Yeah.
474
00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:46,184
He had no criminal record,
475
00:25:46,209 --> 00:25:49,033
but we knew very well
that a guy like this,
476
00:25:49,067 --> 00:25:52,002
that did what he did to Jackie,
477
00:25:52,037 --> 00:25:54,572
would've had to have done something
along these lines before.
478
00:25:54,606 --> 00:25:56,507
Lyons was arrested early Monday morning
479
00:25:56,541 --> 00:25:59,443
here at his home in the
Apple Blossom Trailer Park
480
00:25:59,477 --> 00:26:00,878
just north of Fredericton.
481
00:26:00,912 --> 00:26:02,780
This was all over Canadian news.
482
00:26:02,814 --> 00:26:05,082
His neighbour remembers
when he was arrested.
483
00:26:05,116 --> 00:26:06,201
It was a shock.
484
00:26:06,334 --> 00:26:08,519
My wife kept all our kids
home. I have three girls:
485
00:26:08,553 --> 00:26:12,089
eight, seven, six. And I got
a little boy who's three.
486
00:26:12,123 --> 00:26:14,024
And my wife's just terrified.
487
00:26:14,059 --> 00:26:16,660
Just the anger that there are
these types of people out there
488
00:26:16,695 --> 00:26:19,096
that would hurt a small child.
489
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:23,467
When his picture hit national
papers with a, you know,
490
00:26:23,501 --> 00:26:26,437
a storyline that he was unknown
to police on top of that,
491
00:26:26,471 --> 00:26:28,339
but yet charged with
first-degree murder,
492
00:26:28,373 --> 00:26:30,241
rape of a eight-year-old girl,
493
00:26:30,275 --> 00:26:33,203
that got the attention of two women.
494
00:26:33,415 --> 00:26:35,279
So when did you first notice him?
495
00:26:35,313 --> 00:26:40,907
I was cutting through an alley
on my way home from school
496
00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:44,488
when this guy on a dirt bike
comes riding beside me.
497
00:26:44,522 --> 00:26:47,408
He asks if I want a lift.
498
00:26:47,488 --> 00:26:51,962
Says he knows where
I live so... I said OK.
499
00:26:51,997 --> 00:26:53,397
Then what happened, next?
500
00:26:53,431 --> 00:26:57,201
He said we'd just go around the block.
501
00:26:58,718 --> 00:27:00,237
Where did he take you?
502
00:27:00,272 --> 00:27:03,201
Into the forest.
503
00:27:03,245 --> 00:27:07,945
Then he said he needed to stop...
504
00:27:07,979 --> 00:27:12,916
that the engine was getting hot
and he didn't want to burn it.
505
00:27:12,951 --> 00:27:19,185
When we got off the bike,
he started to undo his pants.
506
00:27:23,923 --> 00:27:28,155
When it was over, he got back
on the bike and took off.
507
00:27:28,667 --> 00:27:31,268
And he just left you there in the woods?
508
00:27:31,303 --> 00:27:34,738
Yeah. It was getting dark.
509
00:27:34,773 --> 00:27:37,941
It took a while to find my way home.
510
00:27:37,976 --> 00:27:40,477
I followed the power lines.
511
00:27:40,512 --> 00:27:43,013
And how old were you?
512
00:27:43,048 --> 00:27:45,916
I was eight.
513
00:27:48,853 --> 00:27:52,823
I was eight.
514
00:27:54,492 --> 00:27:57,294
We can interview Lyons in two weeks
515
00:27:57,329 --> 00:27:59,997
on those additional
sexual assault charges.
516
00:28:00,031 --> 00:28:01,581
Good.
517
00:28:01,978 --> 00:28:03,671
I'll be ready.
518
00:28:03,874 --> 00:28:05,777
With these other two
victims coming forward,
519
00:28:05,804 --> 00:28:08,305
we get to talk to him again
about these two new cases.
520
00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:12,710
But it had to be carefully done.
In a way that didn't show
521
00:28:12,744 --> 00:28:17,490
our true intention, which was really
to talk to him about Jackie Clark.
522
00:28:17,596 --> 00:28:20,718
Most pedophiles were abused
when they were kids.
523
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,321
If I can convince him that
I understand his pain,
524
00:28:24,356 --> 00:28:26,668
maybe I can gain his trust.
525
00:28:27,625 --> 00:28:29,226
Maybe he'll talk.
526
00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:32,529
He's not just a pedophile.
He's also a murderer.
527
00:28:32,564 --> 00:28:36,233
Which is why I'm hoping
to get some help.
528
00:28:39,571 --> 00:28:42,239
The Atlantic Canada Law
Enforcement Conference.
529
00:28:42,273 --> 00:28:45,376
The keynote speaker
is Dr. Robert D. Keppel.
530
00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:48,879
Robert Keppel got Ted Bundy to confess
531
00:28:48,913 --> 00:28:51,415
to murders that they didn't
even know about before
532
00:28:51,449 --> 00:28:53,917
he was executed and
was the inspiration to
533
00:28:53,952 --> 00:28:55,619
The Silence of the Lambs.
534
00:28:55,653 --> 00:28:57,921
Get all the help you can.
Bring anybody in.
535
00:28:57,956 --> 00:28:59,757
All hands on deck, right?
536
00:28:59,791 --> 00:29:02,960
So how do I get a confession?
537
00:29:02,994 --> 00:29:06,263
My professional opinion?
You'll have to blame the girl.
538
00:29:06,297 --> 00:29:08,298
Excuse me?
539
00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:10,033
He's a homicidal pedophile.
540
00:29:10,068 --> 00:29:12,503
They very rarely blame
themselves for their crimes.
541
00:29:12,537 --> 00:29:15,539
And you shouldn't, either.
They'll blame their abusers;
542
00:29:15,573 --> 00:29:16,620
they'll blame their victims.
543
00:29:16,645 --> 00:29:18,041
But she's an eight-year-old girl.
544
00:29:18,076 --> 00:29:19,543
Doesn't matter.
545
00:29:19,577 --> 00:29:21,612
I was almost in shock.
546
00:29:21,646 --> 00:29:23,647
What are you talkin' about? She's eight!
547
00:29:23,681 --> 00:29:26,550
"No. This is what you need
to do. Do your job."
548
00:29:26,584 --> 00:29:29,720
He'll believe the girl was
responsible for her own death.
549
00:29:29,754 --> 00:29:32,122
By going off with a stranger.
550
00:29:32,157 --> 00:29:34,285
Exactly. If you want
to get him to confess,
551
00:29:34,311 --> 00:29:36,794
you'll have to convince him
that you blame her, too.
552
00:29:36,828 --> 00:29:40,931
I got this dirty piece of
garbage I gotta deal with
553
00:29:40,965 --> 00:29:42,733
and this young girl.
554
00:29:42,767 --> 00:29:48,439
And here I have to go in and
blame her in an interview, um,
555
00:29:48,473 --> 00:29:51,442
as a technique to get him to confess.
556
00:29:51,476 --> 00:29:55,245
And that was very distasteful.
Very difficult.
557
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,481
I don't know if I can do that.
558
00:29:57,515 --> 00:30:00,584
If you can't do it, I suggest
you find someone who can.
559
00:30:06,257 --> 00:30:08,258
I needed to stay emotionally detached
560
00:30:08,293 --> 00:30:11,295
from both Jackie and from her parents
561
00:30:11,329 --> 00:30:14,598
and to focus 100 percent of
my energy on Murray Lyons.
562
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,570
In the meantime, Larry's focus
was with Jackie's Mom and Dad.
563
00:30:23,141 --> 00:30:26,176
Jackie's teacher brought that by.
564
00:30:26,211 --> 00:30:28,946
It's a poem she wrote in class.
565
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:31,982
Give it to Mike.
566
00:30:32,016 --> 00:30:33,350
In case he ever loses hope,
567
00:30:33,384 --> 00:30:36,186
remind him who he's doing this for.
568
00:30:36,221 --> 00:30:38,288
I will.
569
00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:43,727
The Wind.
570
00:30:43,761 --> 00:30:45,696
The wind rustles through the leaves.
571
00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:49,399
Like angry ghosts on a stormy night
572
00:30:49,434 --> 00:30:53,637
It sings and stings...
573
00:30:53,671 --> 00:30:56,206
It talks and walks.
574
00:30:56,241 --> 00:30:58,809
It screams and howls.
575
00:30:58,843 --> 00:31:00,010
On a night of dark.
576
00:31:00,044 --> 00:31:03,614
But it sighs and cries.
577
00:31:03,648 --> 00:31:06,884
Tells a joke or two. Make it run.
578
00:31:06,918 --> 00:31:10,988
We play till it's time to say good-bye.
579
00:31:18,329 --> 00:31:23,233
I like to be alone myself
at a crime scene.
580
00:31:23,268 --> 00:31:26,003
You can get a feel for things...
581
00:31:29,791 --> 00:31:32,136
you can see what the person saw.
582
00:31:36,247 --> 00:31:39,650
I got on one of the ATVs that
we still have left over from
583
00:31:39,684 --> 00:31:41,885
the search and rescue and
I drove the whole route.
584
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,662
I wanted to understand
what made him tick.
585
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:48,314
I was trying to find a way
to connect with him,
586
00:31:48,358 --> 00:31:51,510
but what happened instead,
was I connected with her.
587
00:31:51,571 --> 00:31:53,664
I saw what happened to her.
588
00:31:53,698 --> 00:31:56,533
She was alone... with this guy.
589
00:31:56,568 --> 00:32:00,337
He stunk. He was a human piece of shit.
590
00:32:00,371 --> 00:32:03,707
He did that to her alone in those woods.
591
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:09,947
The closer I got to the crime
scene, I just felt fear.
592
00:32:09,981 --> 00:32:14,585
The fear that she must have went
through has always haunted me.
593
00:32:33,538 --> 00:32:36,039
I still had to do the interview.
594
00:32:36,074 --> 00:32:39,142
I didn't want to be that police
officer that was blaming Jackie
595
00:32:39,177 --> 00:32:44,481
for her own rape and death. This
is a complete sickening tactic.
596
00:32:44,515 --> 00:32:48,418
Knowing this could be played
in open court bothered me.
597
00:32:48,453 --> 00:32:51,121
So what I did was turned
to the camera and said...
598
00:32:51,155 --> 00:32:54,424
Murray Lyons is a pedophile
and a murderer.
599
00:32:55,032 --> 00:32:57,266
He needs to face justice.
600
00:32:58,029 --> 00:32:59,529
So I'm going to have to say things
601
00:32:59,564 --> 00:33:05,655
that uh, disgust me. Sickening things.
602
00:33:08,906 --> 00:33:11,308
I think this is the only way
to get him to confess
603
00:33:11,342 --> 00:33:14,885
so if you're watching,
604
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:19,483
please know that many of
the things I'm about to say
605
00:33:19,517 --> 00:33:21,687
I don't believe.
606
00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:30,655
We have this final chance
to interview him.
607
00:33:30,689 --> 00:33:32,690
One more time, one
more crack, that's it.
608
00:33:35,468 --> 00:33:36,735
We ready?
609
00:33:36,770 --> 00:33:38,937
Yeah...
610
00:33:39,739 --> 00:33:41,673
You know? I think we can
do away with those.
611
00:33:41,708 --> 00:33:44,910
I don't think Murray is as dangerous
as people make him out to be.
612
00:33:44,944 --> 00:33:46,678
So that was the strategy.
613
00:33:46,713 --> 00:33:49,148
I need to become his best friend.
614
00:33:52,752 --> 00:33:54,286
Do they look familiar?
615
00:33:57,123 --> 00:33:58,457
They should.
616
00:33:58,491 --> 00:34:01,226
They both said you
touched them, sexually.
617
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:05,998
Those girls never said anything before.
618
00:34:06,032 --> 00:34:08,734
I don't know why they didn't.
619
00:34:08,768 --> 00:34:12,404
I kinda wish they had. Maybe
things would be different for you.
620
00:34:12,438 --> 00:34:15,741
We would have come
and talked to you sooner.
621
00:34:15,775 --> 00:34:18,577
The understanding, the empathetic.
622
00:34:18,611 --> 00:34:20,813
Blame everything but him
for what happened.
623
00:34:20,847 --> 00:34:24,883
If only you guys knew about me.
624
00:34:24,918 --> 00:34:27,519
That's just it, Murray.
I do know about you.
625
00:34:29,644 --> 00:34:32,293
Something terrible happened to
you when you were a kid, right?
626
00:34:34,961 --> 00:34:38,330
Someone taught you the wrong
type of sexual behavior.
627
00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:42,568
- It changed my whole life.
- Sure it did.
628
00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:46,471
And I bet whoever did it to you
629
00:34:46,506 --> 00:34:47,840
had it done to them.
630
00:34:49,075 --> 00:34:50,451
How old were you?
631
00:34:51,644 --> 00:34:53,245
Six or seven.
632
00:34:53,279 --> 00:34:56,748
I don't know how anybody
could deal with that.
633
00:34:56,783 --> 00:34:59,451
No one can.
634
00:34:59,485 --> 00:35:02,621
I mean this is the kind of stuff
that stays with you your whole life.
635
00:35:02,655 --> 00:35:07,993
Whoever did this to you,
they set you on the wrong path.
636
00:35:09,167 --> 00:35:10,596
Once he agrees to
637
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:12,361
"Yes, I was molested when I was a kid.
638
00:35:12,405 --> 00:35:15,467
That explains my behaviour." Perfect.
639
00:35:15,501 --> 00:35:17,102
Let's move on to the next thing.
640
00:35:17,136 --> 00:35:19,938
You combine that with the
fact that you run into these
641
00:35:19,973 --> 00:35:25,310
two beautiful free-spirited young girls.
642
00:35:25,345 --> 00:35:31,516
Acting all inappropriate. I mean
that puts you into a real bind!
643
00:35:31,551 --> 00:35:33,852
It's like putting fuel on a fire.
644
00:35:33,887 --> 00:35:37,356
I bet you they even consented
to some of the stuff.
645
00:35:37,390 --> 00:35:39,825
They never said nothing.
646
00:35:39,859 --> 00:35:42,794
Nah, they didn't. But they should have.
647
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:45,898
I bet you it's because they felt
guilty for bringing it on.
648
00:35:47,269 --> 00:35:52,237
But now? They have talked.
And they let it out.
649
00:35:52,272 --> 00:35:54,506
And I'll tell you, Murray;
I've seen it in their eyes.
650
00:35:56,191 --> 00:35:57,676
They feel better.
651
00:35:57,710 --> 00:36:00,312
And you will, too.
652
00:36:00,346 --> 00:36:02,047
They'll hate me now.
653
00:36:02,081 --> 00:36:05,017
Using the two victims that came forward,
654
00:36:05,051 --> 00:36:06,985
slowly but surely, we just started
655
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:10,155
to eke back into the Jackie Clark case.
656
00:36:10,189 --> 00:36:13,859
I'll bet you it was the same
thing when you met Jackie, right?
657
00:36:13,893 --> 00:36:16,395
Just like the other girls?
658
00:36:17,528 --> 00:36:19,353
She got on your ATV.
659
00:36:22,835 --> 00:36:25,804
All her friends, right?
660
00:36:25,838 --> 00:36:29,608
They knew better than to take
a ride with a stranger.
661
00:36:29,642 --> 00:36:33,211
But not Jackie. She got right on.
662
00:36:33,246 --> 00:36:36,114
It's the same thing every time, right?
663
00:36:41,888 --> 00:36:43,546
Come on, Murray.
664
00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:47,279
It's just going to haunt you
unless you let it out.
665
00:37:02,875 --> 00:37:08,413
Here. When I got to the culvert,
666
00:37:08,448 --> 00:37:11,283
I thought to myself,
667
00:37:11,317 --> 00:37:16,455
you know, if I were you,
that's where I would go.
668
00:37:16,489 --> 00:37:19,424
Is that where you took her, Murray?
669
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,696
No? Was it before that? By the stream?
670
00:37:28,934 --> 00:37:30,989
It was after, I think.
671
00:37:34,107 --> 00:37:35,976
Can you show me on this map?
672
00:37:41,914 --> 00:37:43,348
Not on this map.
673
00:37:43,383 --> 00:37:46,251
You know what?
674
00:37:46,285 --> 00:37:49,454
Sometimes these maps are hard to follow.
675
00:37:49,489 --> 00:37:51,823
Can we just go out there today?
676
00:37:51,858 --> 00:37:54,393
Just you and me.
677
00:37:55,395 --> 00:37:57,696
Can you show me?
678
00:37:57,730 --> 00:37:59,231
I wanted him to take us to where
679
00:37:59,265 --> 00:38:01,500
this all happened and
show us what happened.
680
00:38:06,339 --> 00:38:08,340
Larry and I were in the car
with Murray and uh,
681
00:38:08,374 --> 00:38:11,109
we just basically said "OK,
Murray, tell us where to go."
682
00:38:11,144 --> 00:38:14,579
He took us right out to
the murder site on his own,
683
00:38:14,614 --> 00:38:17,849
walked into the woods, walked up
the trail. He led the way.
684
00:38:17,884 --> 00:38:22,254
There's no way anyone would've
known exactly where and how,
685
00:38:22,288 --> 00:38:25,855
what would happen, unless it was
him. So it was great evidence.
686
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,393
So this is where you took her?
687
00:38:35,368 --> 00:38:37,035
I bet you the minute you got here,
688
00:38:38,129 --> 00:38:40,907
that old switch just turned
right on again, didn't it?
689
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,844
I bet you just couldn't
control it. Huh, Murray?
690
00:38:47,706 --> 00:38:49,881
You know you don't want to be that way.
691
00:38:49,916 --> 00:38:50,989
I get it.
692
00:38:52,351 --> 00:38:53,351
You know what, Murray?
693
00:38:53,386 --> 00:38:55,554
It's not your fault.
694
00:38:55,588 --> 00:38:58,657
It's not your fault.
695
00:38:58,691 --> 00:39:03,061
It's that guy that hurt you
when you were a kid.
696
00:39:03,096 --> 00:39:04,196
It's his fault.
697
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:07,866
It's all those little girls
698
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:12,534
teasing you. It's their fault, Murray.
699
00:39:12,657 --> 00:39:15,540
Listen to me; it is their fault.
700
00:39:15,575 --> 00:39:20,645
And here you are:
alone in the woods with Jackie.
701
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,648
She starts screaming at you.
702
00:39:23,683 --> 00:39:28,325
She should know better than
to scream at you. Right?
703
00:39:28,387 --> 00:39:31,256
She should know better
than to get on that ATV.
704
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:34,593
She should know better
than to talk to a stranger.
705
00:39:34,627 --> 00:39:36,728
She should know better!
706
00:39:36,762 --> 00:39:39,716
Than to talk to you that way.
All precocious.
707
00:39:40,025 --> 00:39:42,033
Murray's body language changed
708
00:39:42,068 --> 00:39:43,735
when we started blaming Jackie.
709
00:39:43,769 --> 00:39:45,337
He's almost nodding. He's agreeing.
710
00:39:45,371 --> 00:39:49,608
His demeanor was agreeable
as opposed to defiant.
711
00:39:49,642 --> 00:39:54,246
What were you expected to do
in that situation, huh Murray?
712
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,314
So you strangled her.
713
00:40:03,055 --> 00:40:05,724
Is this where you strangled her, Murray?
714
00:40:10,417 --> 00:40:13,627
And what did you use
to strangle her, Murray?
715
00:40:16,636 --> 00:40:19,137
A bungee cord from my ATV.
716
00:40:22,975 --> 00:40:24,456
A bungee cord.
717
00:40:25,329 --> 00:40:28,380
And I can remember the
relief when he confessed.
718
00:40:28,414 --> 00:40:30,148
It was a surprise that he did.
719
00:40:30,183 --> 00:40:32,450
Larry and I were basically crying.
720
00:40:32,485 --> 00:40:36,188
We got him. We absolutely nailed him.
721
00:40:37,823 --> 00:40:40,258
I couldn't understand that.
It was so far beyond
722
00:40:40,293 --> 00:40:43,261
what I'd ever dealt with before
so the last thing I said to him
723
00:40:43,296 --> 00:40:44,763
when we were in the woods was uh,
724
00:40:54,373 --> 00:40:57,542
That was his advice.
725
00:40:57,577 --> 00:41:00,845
Basically admitting he's a monster.
726
00:41:02,815 --> 00:41:04,883
The court ruled today that Murray Lyons
727
00:41:04,917 --> 00:41:07,953
killed Jackie Clark while
sexually assaulting her.
728
00:41:07,987 --> 00:41:11,523
That means Lyons is guilty
of first-degree murder.
729
00:41:11,557 --> 00:41:13,825
The automatic sentence is life in prison
730
00:41:13,859 --> 00:41:16,494
with no chance of parole
for twenty-five years.
731
00:41:16,529 --> 00:41:20,031
After the verdict, Jackie
Clark's parents did issue
732
00:41:20,066 --> 00:41:21,800
a written statement which read
733
00:41:21,834 --> 00:41:24,513
"No matter what sentence
Murray Lyons is given,
734
00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:26,871
it will never be enough."
735
00:41:29,242 --> 00:41:34,379
Jackie was a young child. Very bright.
736
00:41:34,413 --> 00:41:39,017
Articulate. Friendly.
737
00:41:39,051 --> 00:41:44,055
I have carried the scars
of this case my whole life.
738
00:41:46,359 --> 00:41:49,027
It haunts me today.
739
00:41:56,268 --> 00:42:01,621
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