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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,296 I'd never been to Chatham before I was posted there. 2 00:00:05,923 --> 00:00:08,525 Chatham, at the time, was very quiet. 3 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:11,761 Everybody knew everybody. 4 00:00:11,795 --> 00:00:14,364 You never had to lock your doors. 5 00:00:14,398 --> 00:00:17,500 But as things progressed through the years, 6 00:00:17,535 --> 00:00:19,536 it became known as the place for drugs. 7 00:00:21,580 --> 00:00:23,715 That evening, Constable Mark Gransden 8 00:00:23,749 --> 00:00:27,251 from the OPP had just pulled off the road to do some notes up. 9 00:00:29,054 --> 00:00:30,455 It was just a matter of coincidence 10 00:00:30,489 --> 00:00:32,924 that he was there at that particular time. 11 00:00:32,958 --> 00:00:34,425 Ma'am! 12 00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:35,793 - Help me, please! Help me! - Are you OK? 13 00:00:35,828 --> 00:00:37,695 - Help me, I need help! - Are you injured? 14 00:00:37,730 --> 00:00:40,832 - No. Help me! - OK, tell me what happened. 15 00:00:40,866 --> 00:00:43,434 They're dead. I think they're dead. 16 00:00:43,469 --> 00:00:45,069 - Where? - Oh, my son. My son, Jasen. 17 00:00:45,104 --> 00:00:46,571 - Where's Jasen? - Tell me where they are. 18 00:00:46,605 --> 00:00:48,840 Come. This way. 19 00:00:49,675 --> 00:00:51,809 Even though I've been to other homicides, 20 00:00:51,844 --> 00:00:54,479 personally I've never seen such a vicious attack. 21 00:00:57,683 --> 00:00:59,984 I just couldn't completely understand 22 00:01:00,018 --> 00:01:04,188 who would do this to gentle old people. 23 00:01:04,223 --> 00:01:05,757 I need something to stop the bleeding. 24 00:01:05,791 --> 00:01:08,326 It was just... horrible. 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,830 - Who did this to you? - Two boys... 26 00:01:12,865 --> 00:01:14,098 It's a sick feeling. 27 00:01:14,133 --> 00:01:16,534 I will never, ever be the same. 28 00:01:16,957 --> 00:01:23,324 - Sync and corrections by ByDem - - www.addic7ed.com - 29 00:01:32,351 --> 00:01:34,485 I remember the date very, very well because 30 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:35,787 it was my son's birthday. 31 00:01:35,821 --> 00:01:40,258 October 18th, 1991. 32 00:01:41,260 --> 00:01:42,894 My son was actually playing hockey 33 00:01:42,928 --> 00:01:46,798 and I was hoping I'd catch a few minutes of the game. 34 00:01:46,832 --> 00:01:48,933 But it didn't work out that way. 35 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:57,308 I arrived at the scene. 36 00:01:57,342 --> 00:02:00,578 The ambulance was just down the road. 37 00:02:02,014 --> 00:02:05,316 I knew this was going to be something that was very difficult. 38 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:08,186 I'm walking up the stairs, I'm just sort of reminding myself 39 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:09,520 to stay calm, stay focussed, 40 00:02:09,555 --> 00:02:11,522 keep your eyes open. 41 00:02:14,193 --> 00:02:17,395 You've got a job to do. 42 00:02:22,034 --> 00:02:23,835 - Did you clear the house? - No. No time. 43 00:02:23,869 --> 00:02:25,837 Is there anyone else in the house? 44 00:02:25,871 --> 00:02:27,839 My son's supposed to be home. 45 00:02:27,873 --> 00:02:29,540 OK, I need you to wait right here. 46 00:02:29,575 --> 00:02:31,409 We don't know who's up there. If your son's here, 47 00:02:31,443 --> 00:02:33,544 I'll find him. 48 00:02:33,579 --> 00:02:34,745 I needed to secure this house 49 00:02:34,780 --> 00:02:36,948 before we go too much further. 50 00:02:36,982 --> 00:02:39,851 I was concerned that the people that did this are still around. 51 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:45,289 You get tense. You're tight. You know you should relax 52 00:02:45,324 --> 00:02:47,425 so you can stay focused. 53 00:02:47,459 --> 00:02:49,293 You feel the hair on the back of your neck curl... 54 00:02:49,328 --> 00:02:52,230 because you don't know if somebody's there waiting for you. 55 00:02:55,601 --> 00:02:58,369 Jasen Pangburn's bedroom was upstairs. 56 00:02:58,403 --> 00:03:00,071 Jasen should have been in the house; 57 00:03:00,105 --> 00:03:03,007 he should have been home from school. 58 00:03:05,777 --> 00:03:07,812 But Jasen Pangburn was not in his bedroom. 59 00:03:10,249 --> 00:03:14,051 He had guns that he kept up there. The guns were gone. 60 00:03:14,086 --> 00:03:17,588 And so was Jasen. 61 00:03:17,623 --> 00:03:20,892 Could he possibly be the one that did it? 62 00:03:24,997 --> 00:03:27,965 She was awake when I got here, you know. She looked so scared. 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,734 Yeah. Is this her house? 64 00:03:29,768 --> 00:03:31,969 Connie Pangburn. It's her place. 65 00:03:32,004 --> 00:03:35,239 She lives here with her husband, Richard, and her son, Jasen. 66 00:03:35,274 --> 00:03:37,141 Virginia's Richard's mom. 67 00:03:37,175 --> 00:03:40,811 Alfred's his step dad. EMTs found a pulse on him, too. 68 00:03:40,846 --> 00:03:44,649 OK, OK. They're in good hands. Virginia say anything? 69 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:46,584 She said "two boys" did this to her. 70 00:03:46,618 --> 00:03:48,119 - Anything else? - No names. 71 00:03:52,791 --> 00:03:54,458 In the bathroom where Alfred Critchley 72 00:03:54,493 --> 00:03:57,028 had fallen backwards, he knocked the plug out 73 00:03:57,062 --> 00:04:00,631 of the clock on the wall. 74 00:04:02,701 --> 00:04:06,237 And to me, that gave us the time of when he was attacked, 75 00:04:06,271 --> 00:04:09,774 five-twelve p.m. 76 00:04:15,414 --> 00:04:16,714 You didn't find him in there, did you? 77 00:04:16,748 --> 00:04:18,349 He's not inside the house. 78 00:04:18,383 --> 00:04:21,152 Do you have any idea somewhere else where he could be? 79 00:04:21,186 --> 00:04:23,854 No. He was supposed to be in the house packing for the Reserves. 80 00:04:23,889 --> 00:04:25,942 - The Reserves? - They were going on 81 00:04:25,942 --> 00:04:29,026 a training trip this week. Maybe he left early? 82 00:04:29,061 --> 00:04:30,528 All right. Well, let's check that out. 83 00:04:30,562 --> 00:04:34,198 I noticed a gun rack in Jasen's bedroom. 84 00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:36,033 Yeah, those are his rifles. 85 00:04:36,068 --> 00:04:38,402 He uses it for hunting and for the Reserves. 86 00:04:38,437 --> 00:04:40,137 The guns were missing. 87 00:04:40,172 --> 00:04:42,740 What? 88 00:04:42,774 --> 00:04:45,943 Well, maybe he brought them to the Regiment? 89 00:04:45,978 --> 00:04:47,645 Connie, do you have any idea 90 00:04:47,679 --> 00:04:49,847 who Virginia meant when she said "two boys"? 91 00:04:52,826 --> 00:04:57,688 OK. Uh, Connie, is your husband around? 92 00:04:57,723 --> 00:04:59,290 He's outside of town. I just called him. 93 00:04:59,324 --> 00:05:01,192 I'm gonna need you to go down to the station. 94 00:05:01,226 --> 00:05:03,627 I'm going to send an officer to ride with you. 95 00:05:03,662 --> 00:05:05,629 No! I need to say here and find my son! 96 00:05:05,664 --> 00:05:08,632 Connie, the best way that you can help is to go 97 00:05:08,667 --> 00:05:11,369 to the station, tell us everything you know, anything that can help. 98 00:05:11,403 --> 00:05:13,504 We have a full team here looking for him. 99 00:05:13,538 --> 00:05:17,041 We'll find him. We won't leave until we do. 100 00:05:20,746 --> 00:05:22,346 Connie was an amazing lady for 101 00:05:22,381 --> 00:05:24,982 what she went through, and you could see 102 00:05:25,017 --> 00:05:27,585 that she wanted to help. 103 00:05:27,619 --> 00:05:30,988 She told me that Jasen may be down across the road 104 00:05:31,023 --> 00:05:34,759 back in the bush where he usually goes to test fire his guns. 105 00:05:36,728 --> 00:05:39,897 I explained to the dog-handler that the first sweep should be 106 00:05:39,931 --> 00:05:42,233 around the house, then the back field, 107 00:05:42,267 --> 00:05:45,936 then go across the road and check the bush down there. 108 00:05:49,174 --> 00:05:51,475 In the meantime, we'd interviewed the neighbors 109 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:54,879 to see if they'd seen anything. 110 00:05:54,913 --> 00:05:57,715 Any little tidbit of information that would help. 111 00:06:01,053 --> 00:06:02,820 This guy says he saw something. 112 00:06:02,854 --> 00:06:04,422 What'd you see? 113 00:06:04,456 --> 00:06:06,290 I've seen a grey-blue pickup truck parked outside 114 00:06:06,324 --> 00:06:08,259 a couple of hours ago. But it's gone now. 115 00:06:08,293 --> 00:06:09,794 Do you know the people who live here? 116 00:06:09,828 --> 00:06:12,930 No. I'm just staying at the motel next door. 117 00:06:12,964 --> 00:06:15,633 I came over to see what all the commotion is about. 118 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:18,069 We're looking for this guy. Have you seen him? 119 00:06:18,103 --> 00:06:21,639 Detective! The dog handler, he saw something. 120 00:06:21,673 --> 00:06:23,407 - Where? - Across the street. 121 00:06:23,442 --> 00:06:27,945 OK. This officer will take your statement. Thank you. 122 00:06:43,962 --> 00:06:45,496 It was about an hour and a half later 123 00:06:45,530 --> 00:06:49,100 that the dog-handler located Jasen Pangburn's remains 124 00:06:49,134 --> 00:06:51,902 covered up in the bush. 125 00:07:00,112 --> 00:07:03,347 Somebody had dropped a rock on his head. 126 00:07:03,381 --> 00:07:05,616 And all you could see was 127 00:07:05,650 --> 00:07:09,653 the side of his face, Jasen Pangburn's face. 128 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:13,491 Copy that. 129 00:07:13,525 --> 00:07:16,560 The Critchleys, Alfred died in the surgery. 130 00:07:16,595 --> 00:07:21,132 Virginia never made it to the hospital. 131 00:07:38,884 --> 00:07:40,484 It's a worst-case scenario. 132 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:42,786 Now you know you've got three family members 133 00:07:42,821 --> 00:07:43,821 that have been murdered. 134 00:07:46,091 --> 00:07:47,858 It was upsetting. 135 00:07:47,893 --> 00:07:50,995 The fact that somebody's been killed is always 136 00:07:51,029 --> 00:07:53,130 a difficult notification. 137 00:07:53,165 --> 00:07:56,167 To have them all from the same family, 138 00:07:56,201 --> 00:07:59,937 one a son, one a mother and father. 139 00:07:59,971 --> 00:08:01,939 As a parent myself, 140 00:08:01,973 --> 00:08:06,710 um, it made it even more difficult. 141 00:08:14,286 --> 00:08:16,420 Have you found Jasen? 142 00:08:20,525 --> 00:08:22,726 I'm afraid we have. 143 00:08:25,797 --> 00:08:27,898 I'm very sorry. 144 00:08:27,933 --> 00:08:32,903 No. No. 145 00:08:32,938 --> 00:08:35,906 We found a body 146 00:08:35,941 --> 00:08:37,908 near the house. 147 00:08:37,943 --> 00:08:40,477 It matches his description. 148 00:08:58,330 --> 00:09:00,531 That was a long day. 149 00:09:00,565 --> 00:09:02,766 A very long day. 150 00:09:03,902 --> 00:09:07,371 That one I will never, ever forget. 151 00:09:09,574 --> 00:09:11,675 Who did this? 152 00:09:20,796 --> 00:09:23,664 We found Jasen Pangburn's remains covered up 153 00:09:23,699 --> 00:09:26,867 in the bush. The scene was so horrific, 154 00:09:26,902 --> 00:09:29,203 but one of the things that amazed me about both 155 00:09:29,237 --> 00:09:33,441 Richard and Connie was that there was no anger. 156 00:09:33,475 --> 00:09:36,110 There was no anger. All they wanted to know, 157 00:09:36,144 --> 00:09:38,779 "Will you catch these people that did it?" 158 00:09:38,814 --> 00:09:41,115 They just wanted them caught, 159 00:09:41,149 --> 00:09:44,819 because they wanted to find out why. 160 00:09:50,058 --> 00:09:53,127 Reporters are asking if it's a murder-suicide. 161 00:09:53,161 --> 00:09:56,731 Troubled teen, kills his grandparents then kills himself. 162 00:09:56,765 --> 00:09:59,066 Lots of speculation. 163 00:09:59,101 --> 00:10:01,736 We don't know what happened or how Jasen died, but when we do, 164 00:10:01,770 --> 00:10:04,071 we're not going to tell the press anything. 165 00:10:04,106 --> 00:10:05,840 Don't give them any more gossip. 166 00:10:05,874 --> 00:10:08,376 Got it. 167 00:10:09,644 --> 00:10:12,046 Seventy-five-year-old Alfred Critchley 168 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,049 and his seventy-three-year-old wife, Virginia 169 00:10:15,083 --> 00:10:18,486 were found stabbed in their son's home on the outskirts of Chatham. 170 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,222 The body of their nineteen-year-old grandson 171 00:10:21,256 --> 00:10:26,694 was later discovered in a neary ravine by a police tracking do. 172 00:10:26,728 --> 00:10:28,863 Police are not saying what kind of weapon was used 173 00:10:28,897 --> 00:10:31,532 in the slayings, but post-mortems are being conductd 174 00:10:31,566 --> 00:10:35,603 and the results are expected to be released tomorrow. 175 00:10:39,307 --> 00:10:41,976 I attended all post-mortems that were done 176 00:10:42,010 --> 00:10:47,314 on Virginia, Alfred Critchley, as well as on Jasen Pangburn. 177 00:10:50,752 --> 00:10:53,954 The attack on Alfred was fairly straightforward. 178 00:10:55,257 --> 00:10:59,527 Alfred was stabbed three times. 179 00:10:59,561 --> 00:11:03,264 Virginia, on the other hand, twenty-three stab wounds. 180 00:11:03,298 --> 00:11:07,234 Jugular was severed; she died of blood loss. 181 00:11:07,269 --> 00:11:10,137 She must have fought hard. Lot of defensive wounds. 182 00:11:10,172 --> 00:11:12,940 Yeah, three shallow stab wounds. 183 00:11:12,974 --> 00:11:16,310 Barely punctured the skin. The rest of them were deep. 184 00:11:16,344 --> 00:11:20,648 With Virginia's post-mortem, 185 00:11:20,682 --> 00:11:25,019 the, uh... 186 00:11:25,053 --> 00:11:29,990 horrific attack that was put on this elderly lady 187 00:11:30,025 --> 00:11:33,461 was something that was very difficult. 188 00:11:33,495 --> 00:11:38,599 The coroner counted twenty-three or twenty-four stab wounds 189 00:11:38,633 --> 00:11:42,136 in Virginia's body. 190 00:11:42,170 --> 00:11:46,006 It was a completely vicious attack on that poor lady. 191 00:11:46,041 --> 00:11:47,641 There's more. 192 00:11:52,414 --> 00:11:54,315 We pulled that twenty-two-calibre bullet 193 00:11:54,349 --> 00:11:55,616 from Jasen's heart. 194 00:11:55,650 --> 00:11:58,285 Jasen was shot? 195 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,822 Why stab the grandparents? 196 00:12:01,857 --> 00:12:03,791 Maybe it was personal. 197 00:12:03,825 --> 00:12:06,494 It was definitely a surprise 198 00:12:06,528 --> 00:12:08,395 that Jasen was shot. 199 00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:10,865 The viciousness on the adults was 200 00:12:10,899 --> 00:12:15,736 completely different from the quick kill of Jasen Pangburn. 201 00:12:15,770 --> 00:12:21,041 So if they had a gun and they shot Jasen Pangburn, 202 00:12:21,076 --> 00:12:25,179 why did they kill the grandparents with knives? 203 00:12:25,213 --> 00:12:27,648 That part just didn't make sense. 204 00:12:30,452 --> 00:12:33,621 Pangburn wasn't stabbed; he was shot. 205 00:12:33,655 --> 00:12:37,024 Why shoot Pangburn and stab the grandparents? 206 00:12:37,058 --> 00:12:38,893 Well, maybe they used the guns from his locker. 207 00:12:38,927 --> 00:12:43,564 Defender shotgun, AK, Lee-Enfield rifle. 208 00:12:43,598 --> 00:12:45,099 All legally acquired. 209 00:12:45,133 --> 00:12:48,869 None of these guns fired the bullet we pulled 210 00:12:48,904 --> 00:12:50,738 out of Jasen's body. 211 00:12:50,772 --> 00:12:52,373 The killers must have brought their own weapon. 212 00:12:52,407 --> 00:12:55,009 So, let me get this straight: 213 00:12:55,043 --> 00:12:58,345 the two boys rob the house, 214 00:12:58,380 --> 00:13:00,514 stab the grandparents, even though they had a gun, 215 00:13:00,549 --> 00:13:04,118 stole Pangburn's weapons, and then took him out to the woods to kill him? 216 00:13:04,152 --> 00:13:06,020 Why do it that way? 217 00:13:06,054 --> 00:13:07,688 Well, maybe it was the other way around. 218 00:13:07,722 --> 00:13:09,256 Maybe they shot Pangburn, stabbed the grandparents, 219 00:13:09,291 --> 00:13:11,058 then stole the gun. 220 00:13:11,092 --> 00:13:14,328 That still doesn't explain why they stabbed the grandparents 221 00:13:14,362 --> 00:13:15,696 when they had a gun. 222 00:13:15,730 --> 00:13:18,766 OK. Let's focus on what we do know. 223 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,802 Now, the Critchleys were stabbed at five-twelve p.m. 224 00:13:21,836 --> 00:13:25,906 Now, a witness saw a blue-grey truck parked out front. 225 00:13:25,941 --> 00:13:28,943 Now, Virginia said two boys did it. 226 00:13:28,977 --> 00:13:30,711 Did anyone else see two boys? 227 00:13:30,745 --> 00:13:33,213 A neighbour down the street saw three boys hanging out 228 00:13:33,248 --> 00:13:34,949 by the area where the body was found. 229 00:13:34,983 --> 00:13:38,118 Jasen and the two killers. Did the neighbour see anything else, 230 00:13:38,153 --> 00:13:41,221 notice what time it was? Was Jasen stressed? 231 00:13:41,256 --> 00:13:42,690 Was he being coerced? 232 00:13:42,724 --> 00:13:45,292 No, just kids hanging out. 233 00:13:45,327 --> 00:13:47,861 I want to speak to that neighbour. 234 00:13:49,731 --> 00:13:52,766 That neighbor saw these three boys crossing the road 235 00:13:52,801 --> 00:13:55,436 and then going across into the field. 236 00:13:55,470 --> 00:13:58,238 Did you notice anything suspicious about them? 237 00:13:58,273 --> 00:14:00,040 No, they looked like friends. 238 00:14:00,075 --> 00:14:03,077 Was Jasen Pangburn with them? 239 00:14:03,111 --> 00:14:05,713 All I noticed was one of them was wearing a Penguins sweater. 240 00:14:05,747 --> 00:14:08,849 Mostly Wings and Leafs fans around here. 241 00:14:08,883 --> 00:14:12,152 And what time was this when you saw them? 242 00:14:12,187 --> 00:14:17,691 I'd say late afternoon, around four-fifteen, maybe four-twenty. 243 00:14:20,161 --> 00:14:23,864 At four-twenty, three young men went across the road. 244 00:14:23,898 --> 00:14:26,734 One of them was wearing a Pittsburgh Penguin hockey sweater. 245 00:14:26,768 --> 00:14:30,638 That indicated to us that Jasen Pangburn was killed first 246 00:14:30,672 --> 00:14:33,641 out in the bush. Then they came back 247 00:14:33,675 --> 00:14:38,012 and the clock is knocked off of the bathroom at five-twelve. 248 00:14:38,046 --> 00:14:41,515 The key thing, breaking the investigation wide open, 249 00:14:41,549 --> 00:14:44,318 was locating that Pittsburgh Penguin hockey sweater. 250 00:14:53,151 --> 00:14:54,618 You have two crime scenes. 251 00:14:54,652 --> 00:14:57,154 You've got one at the house 252 00:14:57,188 --> 00:14:59,056 and you've got one down in the bush. 253 00:14:59,090 --> 00:15:03,460 In the house, they're stabbed. Jasen Pangburn was shot. 254 00:15:04,762 --> 00:15:08,131 Jasen was probably killed first and then they came back 255 00:15:08,166 --> 00:15:10,734 and killed the grandparents. 256 00:15:10,768 --> 00:15:15,806 The people in Chatham were very unnerved by what happened. 257 00:15:16,975 --> 00:15:18,742 The tragedy that's unfolding 258 00:15:18,776 --> 00:15:21,311 in this east-side Chatham home spans three generations. 259 00:15:21,346 --> 00:15:23,647 The house is just on the outskirts of Chatham, 260 00:15:23,681 --> 00:15:26,116 so the Ontario Provincial Polie are handling the investigation. 261 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:28,552 It's especially upsetting to neighbors because 262 00:15:28,586 --> 00:15:31,154 there's never been a triple homicide in this area 263 00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:32,756 in anyone's recent memory. 264 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:35,292 It scares the hell out of me, you know, 265 00:15:35,326 --> 00:15:37,661 for my mom and dad's safety and for all the rest of the neighbors. 266 00:15:37,695 --> 00:15:39,763 We'll keep our doors locked all the time now 267 00:15:39,797 --> 00:15:41,765 and we'll look around for any strangers walking around 268 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:43,133 or anything, so... 269 00:15:43,167 --> 00:15:45,802 There's a lot of media coverage. 270 00:15:45,837 --> 00:15:47,471 There's a lot of talk about this. 271 00:15:47,505 --> 00:15:50,774 There's concern that the police haven't solved this yet. 272 00:15:50,808 --> 00:15:54,344 There's stories in the newspaper about keeping your doors locked 273 00:15:54,379 --> 00:15:56,346 and don't let your children outside. 274 00:15:56,381 --> 00:16:00,550 We tried to assure citizens of Chatham 275 00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:03,854 that this matter's gonna be solved. 276 00:16:03,888 --> 00:16:07,024 We think what happened in Chatham was an isolated incident. 277 00:16:07,058 --> 00:16:08,825 We don't believe it's a public safety issue. 278 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:11,328 People are saying that it was a cult murder 279 00:16:11,362 --> 00:16:12,929 like the Manson family. 280 00:16:12,964 --> 00:16:16,566 There is no evidence to support cult involvement 281 00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:19,469 and we don't think there's an active serial killer in the area. 282 00:16:19,504 --> 00:16:23,340 And I'd advise anyone spreading rumours to stop. 283 00:16:23,374 --> 00:16:27,511 It creates fear and it hurts the victim's families. 284 00:16:27,545 --> 00:16:30,247 Do you have any idea who did this? 285 00:16:30,281 --> 00:16:32,883 We have a few leads that we're looking into. 286 00:16:32,917 --> 00:16:35,719 But we need your help. 287 00:16:35,753 --> 00:16:37,921 We're looking for a young man 288 00:16:37,955 --> 00:16:41,024 who was wearing a Pittsburgh Penguins jersey that night. 289 00:16:41,059 --> 00:16:43,627 If you have any information, any information at all, 290 00:16:43,661 --> 00:16:48,098 please contact the police station or Crime Stoppers. 291 00:16:48,132 --> 00:16:51,368 They seemed quite relieved that 292 00:16:51,402 --> 00:16:53,904 they got that information because it was something 293 00:16:53,938 --> 00:16:56,873 they could say, "OK, yes, they're looking for something. 294 00:16:56,908 --> 00:16:58,775 They're looking for the Pittsburgh Penguins hockey sweater." 295 00:17:04,248 --> 00:17:07,584 The big thing for us was understanding why it happened. 296 00:17:07,618 --> 00:17:11,988 People don't just kill for no reason. 297 00:17:14,692 --> 00:17:18,428 Do you have any idea who might have wanted to harm them? 298 00:17:18,463 --> 00:17:20,764 God, no. 299 00:17:20,798 --> 00:17:22,566 Alfred was a good man, a veteran. 300 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,301 He was wonderful to my mother. 301 00:17:24,335 --> 00:17:26,536 And what about Jasen? 302 00:17:26,571 --> 00:17:29,539 Jasen was a great kid. 303 00:17:29,574 --> 00:17:31,875 He didn't get into trouble. He wasn't into drugs 304 00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:33,310 or hanging with the wrong crowd. 305 00:17:33,344 --> 00:17:35,746 Would you know if he was? 306 00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:37,080 He would tell us, Detective. 307 00:17:37,115 --> 00:17:39,783 Of course. 308 00:17:41,953 --> 00:17:44,421 Virginia mentioned two boys. 309 00:17:44,455 --> 00:17:47,124 Do you have any idea who they might be? 310 00:17:50,128 --> 00:17:53,530 Any of Jasen's friends Pittsburgh Penguins fans? 311 00:17:55,199 --> 00:17:57,000 One last thing. Does a blue-grey 312 00:17:57,034 --> 00:17:59,603 pickup truck mean anything to you? 313 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:04,474 A few weeks ago, there was a young man who came by 314 00:18:04,509 --> 00:18:07,711 in a blue-grey pickup truck. He came for Jasen. 315 00:18:07,745 --> 00:18:10,113 Do you remember his name? 316 00:18:10,148 --> 00:18:14,351 I don't remember. He told me, but I, I can't remember. 317 00:18:14,385 --> 00:18:16,853 Do you remember anything else about him? 318 00:18:16,888 --> 00:18:19,723 Just that he spoke like a soldier. 319 00:18:19,757 --> 00:18:23,160 He asked for Private Pangburn. 320 00:18:26,364 --> 00:18:30,734 The guy that came was wearing military-type clothing. 321 00:18:30,768 --> 00:18:33,036 She didn't know who the guy was but Jasen told 322 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:38,175 his mother, he said, "I don't like that guy. He scares me." 323 00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,819 Excuse me. I need to speak with your commanding officer. 324 00:18:48,853 --> 00:18:50,454 All right. 325 00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:54,658 Never been a member of the reserves, 326 00:18:54,692 --> 00:18:57,060 but I knew the layout of the armories. 327 00:18:57,094 --> 00:19:00,230 They stress discipline and respect in their training. 328 00:19:00,264 --> 00:19:03,900 Seems like a great group here. You all get along? 329 00:19:03,935 --> 00:19:06,636 Being part of the regiment means learning to get along. 330 00:19:06,671 --> 00:19:12,175 Ah, it's good. You knew uh, Jason Pangburn, right? 331 00:19:12,210 --> 00:19:14,377 Everyone knew Private Pangburn. 332 00:19:14,412 --> 00:19:16,379 We're planning a wake in his honour. 333 00:19:16,414 --> 00:19:18,582 Oh, that must have been quite a shock. 334 00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:21,418 Sorry, son. A wake's a good idea. 335 00:19:21,452 --> 00:19:23,687 When members of the armories found out 336 00:19:23,721 --> 00:19:25,755 what we were looking into, 337 00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:28,225 they were more than cooperative because they had just lost 338 00:19:28,259 --> 00:19:30,927 a member. A member was just brutally murdered. 339 00:19:30,962 --> 00:19:34,998 Anyone here drive a grey-blue pickup truck? 340 00:19:35,032 --> 00:19:37,868 I'm sorry, I'm not sure. 341 00:19:37,902 --> 00:19:42,405 We have some one hundred and eighty young reservists enlisted. 342 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,541 I wish they were all like Private Pangburn. 343 00:19:44,575 --> 00:19:45,942 How do you mean? 344 00:19:45,977 --> 00:19:47,444 He was a natural for the military life, 345 00:19:47,478 --> 00:19:49,713 the drills, the basic training. 346 00:19:49,747 --> 00:19:52,015 Never had to tell him anything twice. 347 00:19:52,049 --> 00:19:54,751 Anyone here not like Pangburn? 348 00:19:54,785 --> 00:19:56,553 Not that I heard of. 349 00:19:56,587 --> 00:20:00,123 How about brushes with the law? Problems with discipline? 350 00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:03,426 Some cadets come to us for a fresh start 351 00:20:03,461 --> 00:20:06,029 after problems at school 352 00:20:06,063 --> 00:20:08,732 or at home, perhaps with the police. 353 00:20:08,766 --> 00:20:11,701 Never anything to do with Private Pangburn. 354 00:20:11,736 --> 00:20:14,704 He was a popular kid, a good soldier, 355 00:20:14,739 --> 00:20:17,474 an excellent marksman. 356 00:20:17,508 --> 00:20:20,944 Marksman. Hear he had quite the gun collection. 357 00:20:20,978 --> 00:20:25,849 Yes. He'd bring his guns in every now and then. 358 00:20:25,883 --> 00:20:27,717 You think some of the boys might have helped themselves 359 00:20:27,752 --> 00:20:28,752 to those guns? 360 00:20:28,786 --> 00:20:30,120 I can't see it. 361 00:20:32,156 --> 00:20:35,792 Besides, these are good kids. 362 00:20:38,896 --> 00:20:42,265 The next morning, we got a tip that a reservist 363 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:44,968 in the armories, Stephen Hill, was wearing 364 00:20:45,002 --> 00:20:48,672 a Pittsburgh Penguin hockey sweater the day of the murder. 365 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,975 Private Hill? 366 00:20:52,009 --> 00:20:54,611 I'm Detective Peter Baker of the Ontario Provincial Police. 367 00:20:54,645 --> 00:20:56,346 I have a few questions for you. 368 00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:58,682 Am I in trouble, sir? 369 00:20:58,716 --> 00:21:00,951 You knew Jasen Pangburn, right? 370 00:21:00,985 --> 00:21:04,087 Kind of. A fellow Reservist. 371 00:21:04,121 --> 00:21:05,655 But you went to high school with him? 372 00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:09,893 He was a senior. I'm still in grade ten. 373 00:21:09,927 --> 00:21:12,529 It's not like we were best friends or anything. 374 00:21:12,563 --> 00:21:14,431 You heard what happened to him? 375 00:21:14,465 --> 00:21:18,902 Of course. It's terrible. 376 00:21:18,936 --> 00:21:22,706 You wear a Penguins jersey, don't you, son? 377 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:26,476 I used to, but then I lost it. 378 00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:28,211 Really? When? 379 00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:30,113 A couple of weeks ago. 380 00:21:30,147 --> 00:21:33,249 Someone saw you wearing it on Friday. 381 00:21:33,284 --> 00:21:35,385 Who said that? 382 00:21:35,419 --> 00:21:37,354 Is it true? 383 00:21:37,388 --> 00:21:40,056 No. Um, I don't know who told you that, 384 00:21:40,091 --> 00:21:42,392 but they're wrong. 385 00:21:42,426 --> 00:21:44,661 He was definitely holding something back. 386 00:21:44,695 --> 00:21:46,930 When you talk to him and you say, "Well, you know, 387 00:21:46,964 --> 00:21:49,065 do you know somebody has a Penguins Sweater," 388 00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:52,002 uh, he'd look off to the side and say, 389 00:21:52,036 --> 00:21:55,372 "No." "Did you give your sweater to somebody?" 390 00:21:55,406 --> 00:21:59,175 "Uh, no." So he was very, uh, evasive. 391 00:21:59,210 --> 00:22:01,945 Can I go now? Sorry, 392 00:22:01,979 --> 00:22:03,480 - I have an appointment. - Sure. 393 00:22:03,514 --> 00:22:06,383 - Don't want to be late. - Yeah. 394 00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:11,921 It was while I was getting ready to go 395 00:22:11,956 --> 00:22:15,358 that I got a call on my radio. 396 00:22:15,393 --> 00:22:17,494 This is Baker. 397 00:22:17,528 --> 00:22:19,863 We just got a call for another gun robbery. 398 00:22:19,897 --> 00:22:21,197 Where? 399 00:22:21,232 --> 00:22:22,832 Cofell Farm out in Dover Township. 400 00:22:22,867 --> 00:22:26,236 It's another Reservist. 401 00:22:26,937 --> 00:22:28,538 I don't know if I was surprised. 402 00:22:28,572 --> 00:22:32,776 It just seemed kind of strange that within several days 403 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:36,413 we have two thefts of a large quantity of guns. 404 00:22:36,447 --> 00:22:39,315 I was definitely scared. 405 00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:41,818 That's a whole lot of people stealing guns. 406 00:22:49,199 --> 00:22:50,933 I received a report from 407 00:22:50,967 --> 00:22:54,036 our uniform officers who had investigated the break-in 408 00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:56,905 at the Cofell Farm. 409 00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:00,576 Jason Cofell had reported that somebody had broken 410 00:23:00,610 --> 00:23:02,378 into their house and stole all his guns. 411 00:23:02,412 --> 00:23:05,814 I thought to myself 412 00:23:05,849 --> 00:23:08,183 "Another break and enter with guns stolen 413 00:23:08,218 --> 00:23:10,619 from a member of the armories." 414 00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:13,617 It was too close to be a coincidence. 415 00:23:18,723 --> 00:23:21,792 I had met Doug and Catherine Cofell 416 00:23:21,826 --> 00:23:25,562 quite a few years before this happened. 417 00:23:25,597 --> 00:23:27,364 They were caring people 418 00:23:27,398 --> 00:23:30,634 and I knew that Jason Cofell was their oldest son. 419 00:23:34,572 --> 00:23:38,675 So, other than the guns, 420 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:41,612 did you notice anything else missing? 421 00:23:41,646 --> 00:23:46,416 Just the weapons, um, a shotgun, a rifle, 422 00:23:46,451 --> 00:23:48,919 two Glock handguns, and a twenty-two pistol. 423 00:23:48,953 --> 00:23:50,621 And where do you keep the guns? 424 00:23:50,655 --> 00:23:52,222 Uh, here in the home. 425 00:23:52,257 --> 00:23:54,491 - Was the house locked? - Yes. 426 00:23:54,525 --> 00:23:56,927 - You mind if I take a look? - Yeah, sure. 427 00:24:05,069 --> 00:24:09,406 Locks look... they look good. Sturdy. 428 00:24:12,877 --> 00:24:14,745 Is that you, son? 429 00:24:14,779 --> 00:24:16,313 Yes, sir. 430 00:24:16,347 --> 00:24:20,417 Well, that suits you. Military? 431 00:24:20,451 --> 00:24:22,819 Thank you, sir. Reserves. 432 00:24:30,094 --> 00:24:32,195 He had a blue pickup truck. 433 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:36,533 Connie Pangburn mentioned this military guy coming with 434 00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:40,971 this light blue-grey truck and asking for Private Pangburn. 435 00:24:43,308 --> 00:24:46,543 Jason's eyes just sort of changed and 436 00:24:46,577 --> 00:24:49,680 he just just sort of glared and they got dark. 437 00:24:49,714 --> 00:24:51,682 And right away in my mind, 438 00:24:51,716 --> 00:24:54,785 I'm thinking there's something he's hiding. 439 00:24:56,487 --> 00:24:59,222 When did you notice the guns missing? 440 00:24:59,257 --> 00:25:01,591 When I got home from school today. 441 00:25:01,626 --> 00:25:03,794 - Did you drive to school? - Yes, sir. 442 00:25:03,828 --> 00:25:06,797 In that blue-grey pickup truck parked out back? 443 00:25:06,831 --> 00:25:10,033 Yeah. 444 00:25:11,336 --> 00:25:14,504 So um, your route home, 445 00:25:14,539 --> 00:25:18,141 do you, uh, drive past the marina? 446 00:25:18,176 --> 00:25:21,511 Uh, no. I take um, Main Street usually. 447 00:25:21,546 --> 00:25:24,915 Well, how about Friday? Did you drive past the marina then? 448 00:25:24,949 --> 00:25:27,851 Um, the break-in was today, not Friday. 449 00:25:27,885 --> 00:25:29,319 Oh, I know. It's just that, uh, 450 00:25:29,354 --> 00:25:34,858 the marina's right by Jasen Pangburn's house. 451 00:25:34,892 --> 00:25:36,126 You heard about that, right? 452 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,062 You knew him? 453 00:25:39,097 --> 00:25:41,698 A little, um, from Reserves. 454 00:25:41,733 --> 00:25:43,266 We went to different schools so... 455 00:25:43,301 --> 00:25:47,971 I was just wondering, if you were around there, 456 00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:50,707 you might have seen something that could help us out. 457 00:25:50,742 --> 00:25:54,378 I wasn't around there that day so... 458 00:25:54,412 --> 00:25:59,049 Someone saw a blue-grey pickup truck around there. 459 00:26:00,885 --> 00:26:02,419 When I asked him that question, 460 00:26:02,453 --> 00:26:04,654 he looked off to the side. 461 00:26:04,689 --> 00:26:06,289 I could tell there was something, 462 00:26:06,324 --> 00:26:07,824 something bothering him. 463 00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:10,761 That's when he changed the story. 464 00:26:10,795 --> 00:26:12,863 Is that the marina on Grand Avenue East? 465 00:26:12,897 --> 00:26:14,898 That's the one. 466 00:26:14,932 --> 00:26:19,202 Yeah, um, I think I might have actually been around there Friday. 467 00:26:19,237 --> 00:26:22,539 I stopped by a store on my way home from school. 468 00:26:22,573 --> 00:26:25,776 Sorry. It just slipped my mind. 469 00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:28,345 His whole tone changed 470 00:26:28,379 --> 00:26:32,215 from the time he came in to the point where we started talking 471 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:34,885 about him going out the highway. 472 00:26:34,919 --> 00:26:38,221 And I thought "we'll follow up on this." 473 00:26:38,256 --> 00:26:41,892 But I didn't let him know he was a suspect. 474 00:26:41,926 --> 00:26:45,429 Well, if, uh, anything comes to mind, 475 00:26:45,463 --> 00:26:48,765 uh, about the guns or anything else, you'll, uh, 476 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,434 let me know. OK? 477 00:26:50,468 --> 00:26:54,438 Yeah. Thanks, Detective. I appreciate it. 478 00:27:10,488 --> 00:27:12,823 That day, the detachment where I work out of 479 00:27:12,857 --> 00:27:15,926 received a call from a locksmith who had just been 480 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,929 to a residence in Chatham where he had seen these boys 481 00:27:18,963 --> 00:27:20,831 with these guns. 482 00:27:20,865 --> 00:27:23,400 The murders took place on the 18th; he was called 483 00:27:23,434 --> 00:27:27,037 at approximately 2:30, 3:00 in the morning on the 19th 484 00:27:27,071 --> 00:27:30,640 by a young man who said his name was Mark Hooper. 485 00:27:30,675 --> 00:27:34,377 Mr. Hooper? 486 00:27:34,412 --> 00:27:37,280 I'm Detective Peter Baker of the Ontario Provincial Police. 487 00:27:37,315 --> 00:27:40,083 I have a few questions for you. 488 00:27:40,785 --> 00:27:42,385 What happened the other night? 489 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:45,088 I just went out to get my friends and got locked out. 490 00:27:45,123 --> 00:27:46,456 Your friends? 491 00:27:46,491 --> 00:27:51,328 Stephen Hill and Jason Cofell. 492 00:27:51,362 --> 00:27:53,263 Do you know them from school? 493 00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:57,134 No, just the Regiment. We're all in it together. 494 00:27:57,168 --> 00:27:59,603 The locksmith unlocked the door for them. 495 00:27:59,637 --> 00:28:02,806 And he saw Hooper and another guy 496 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,809 and this Pittsburgh Penguins hockey guy, 497 00:28:05,843 --> 00:28:09,779 and they were carrying something wrapped in a heavy blanket. 498 00:28:09,814 --> 00:28:13,150 What were they bringing inside the house? 499 00:28:15,386 --> 00:28:16,753 Guns. 500 00:28:16,787 --> 00:28:19,189 Do you know where they got the guns? 501 00:28:20,191 --> 00:28:21,525 Are the guns still inside the house? 502 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,326 No. Cofell took them back. 503 00:28:23,361 --> 00:28:24,861 I don't know what happened after that. 504 00:28:24,896 --> 00:28:27,330 But you knew Jasen Pangburn, right? 505 00:28:31,135 --> 00:28:34,471 I had nothing to do with that. 506 00:28:36,474 --> 00:28:38,175 I thought he was just messing around! 507 00:28:38,209 --> 00:28:41,244 Mr. Hooper, you're gonna need to tell me what happened. 508 00:28:44,582 --> 00:28:47,184 Cofell hated Pangburn. 509 00:28:47,218 --> 00:28:48,652 He was always worried he'd rat him out. 510 00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:51,221 Why would he rat him out? 511 00:28:51,255 --> 00:28:53,223 Cofell had a thing with guns. 512 00:28:53,257 --> 00:28:56,693 He was collecting them. I guess some of them might have been stolen. 513 00:29:01,165 --> 00:29:03,233 I'm gonna need you to come down 514 00:29:03,267 --> 00:29:08,371 to the station and tell us what happened. 515 00:29:14,845 --> 00:29:16,947 With the information we got from Mike Hooper, 516 00:29:16,981 --> 00:29:21,084 we started putting together a case focused on Jason Cofell. 517 00:29:23,087 --> 00:29:26,423 I knew that Jason Cofell had stolen the guns. 518 00:29:26,457 --> 00:29:28,391 We had to act quickly. 519 00:29:28,426 --> 00:29:30,927 We needed to get Jason Cofell off the street. 520 00:29:32,863 --> 00:29:35,232 I wanted to arrest Cofell early in the morning 521 00:29:35,266 --> 00:29:37,634 on his way to school. 522 00:29:37,668 --> 00:29:39,636 We don't know if he's got guns. 523 00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:41,204 We don't know what he's got in the vehicle. 524 00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:44,407 We had to get him away from 525 00:29:44,442 --> 00:29:47,244 other people, in an open area 526 00:29:47,278 --> 00:29:48,945 where he couldn't affect anybody else. 527 00:29:53,584 --> 00:29:55,185 I don't think there's a more dangerous 528 00:29:55,219 --> 00:29:57,787 situation for a police officer than a face-to-face 529 00:29:57,822 --> 00:29:59,723 with somebody pointing a gun at you. 530 00:29:59,757 --> 00:30:02,759 That wasn't going to happen. 531 00:30:05,896 --> 00:30:08,665 Jason Cofell pulled his truck to the side of the road. 532 00:30:08,699 --> 00:30:11,468 At that point, the other two cars came up 533 00:30:11,502 --> 00:30:13,069 so that he couldn't run; 534 00:30:13,104 --> 00:30:14,938 he couldn't go anywhere. 535 00:30:14,972 --> 00:30:16,673 It went like clockwork. 536 00:30:16,707 --> 00:30:19,209 Hands on your head! 537 00:30:19,243 --> 00:30:21,645 Get out of the car, now! 538 00:30:23,814 --> 00:30:25,515 Hands on the vehicle. 539 00:30:33,157 --> 00:30:34,958 The vital part of the arrest 540 00:30:34,992 --> 00:30:37,994 of Jason Cofell was to get him off the street. 541 00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:39,429 That was the main thing. 542 00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:42,265 The secondary was to find the guns. 543 00:30:44,702 --> 00:30:47,837 He was very quiet, didn't say a whole lot. 544 00:30:47,872 --> 00:30:52,375 I had some doubt as to whether he was gonna say anything. 545 00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:54,444 I wasn't going to be getting a confession, 546 00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:57,947 so we needed some concrete evidence that would tie Cofell 547 00:30:57,982 --> 00:31:00,850 to the three murders. 548 00:31:00,885 --> 00:31:03,119 We needed the guns. 549 00:31:03,154 --> 00:31:07,691 You and Stephen Hill were seen bringing guns into a home. 550 00:31:07,725 --> 00:31:09,859 Doesn't mean I killed him. 551 00:31:09,894 --> 00:31:11,428 But you wanted to kill him. 552 00:31:13,097 --> 00:31:15,965 Where'd you get the guns? 553 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,966 Those were my guns. 554 00:31:17,001 --> 00:31:19,302 I bought them 555 00:31:19,337 --> 00:31:20,637 from a sketchy-looking guy. 556 00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:22,706 I don't know, gang members, I think. 557 00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:24,708 So you bought stolen guns? 558 00:31:24,742 --> 00:31:26,509 How was I supposed to know they were stolen? 559 00:31:26,544 --> 00:31:28,178 Where are the guns? 560 00:31:28,212 --> 00:31:29,746 I stashed them. 561 00:31:34,051 --> 00:31:35,452 Where? 562 00:31:39,890 --> 00:31:42,559 Cofell said the guns were in a ditch 563 00:31:42,593 --> 00:31:45,895 in Dover Township. We went out to that ditch 564 00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:49,032 and there were no guns. 565 00:31:49,066 --> 00:31:51,234 There was no indication anything had been in that ditch other 566 00:31:51,268 --> 00:31:52,769 than weeds. 567 00:31:58,938 --> 00:32:01,039 We needed some concrete evidence. 568 00:32:01,073 --> 00:32:04,709 The vital part was to find Jasen Pangburn's guns. 569 00:32:04,744 --> 00:32:08,813 They would tie Cofell to the three murders. 570 00:32:08,848 --> 00:32:11,916 I had talked to Doug and Cathy. 571 00:32:11,951 --> 00:32:14,819 Neither wanted to believe that their son would do something like that. 572 00:32:14,854 --> 00:32:16,054 I don't understand. 573 00:32:16,088 --> 00:32:18,623 This says murder... three murders. 574 00:32:18,657 --> 00:32:20,492 My son didn't do this. 575 00:32:20,526 --> 00:32:24,095 We're just going to need to take a look around. That's all. 576 00:32:25,831 --> 00:32:29,134 We searched the back area first. 577 00:32:29,168 --> 00:32:34,072 Hiding things on farmland, very difficult to find. 578 00:32:34,106 --> 00:32:35,740 If they're hidden properly. 579 00:32:38,744 --> 00:32:41,579 When we were conducting the search of the barn, 580 00:32:41,614 --> 00:32:44,783 initially I wasn't sure we'd find any guns there. 581 00:32:44,817 --> 00:32:50,155 You're going in, even with two officers, you're tense, 582 00:32:50,189 --> 00:32:54,893 but that keeps you focused. 583 00:33:10,242 --> 00:33:12,610 We found all of the guns, 584 00:33:12,645 --> 00:33:15,313 the guns he reported stolen, 585 00:33:15,347 --> 00:33:21,386 the guns stolen from the Pangburn residence, some AK-47s. 586 00:33:24,924 --> 00:33:27,325 Jackpot! 587 00:33:29,829 --> 00:33:32,664 We found the wallet and the personal papers 588 00:33:32,698 --> 00:33:33,698 of Alfred Critchley... 589 00:33:33,732 --> 00:33:35,467 Here's his wallet. 590 00:33:35,501 --> 00:33:37,535 And a twenty-two-caliber handgun. 591 00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:41,105 The twenty-two-calibre was the murder weapon 592 00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:44,476 that was used to kill Jasen Pangburn. 593 00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:46,511 We found a book. 594 00:33:46,545 --> 00:33:49,247 What the hell is the Orion Foundation? 595 00:33:49,281 --> 00:33:50,348 No idea. 596 00:33:51,550 --> 00:33:54,152 "The Orion Foundation". 597 00:33:54,186 --> 00:33:57,555 Their objective was to try and clean up the streets in Chatham, 598 00:33:57,590 --> 00:34:00,892 get rid of the drug dealers, and kill them. 599 00:34:00,926 --> 00:34:04,662 In this book, there was a list of people 600 00:34:04,697 --> 00:34:06,664 and they were all assigned a rank. 601 00:34:06,699 --> 00:34:10,535 Jason Cofell was their leader. 602 00:34:10,569 --> 00:34:15,173 Stephen Hill was a follower. 603 00:34:15,207 --> 00:34:18,676 I was pretty sure we'd get a confession from him. 604 00:34:18,711 --> 00:34:23,715 How long were you in The Orion Foundation? 605 00:34:23,749 --> 00:34:25,917 About a year, I guess. 606 00:34:25,951 --> 00:34:29,354 How did it all start? 607 00:34:29,388 --> 00:34:33,491 Cofell asked if I wanted to go up to his farm 608 00:34:33,526 --> 00:34:36,160 and shoot off a couple of rounds. 609 00:34:36,195 --> 00:34:39,831 I said sure. I got up there; 610 00:34:39,865 --> 00:34:44,569 there were a few other guys from school, the Reserves. 611 00:34:44,603 --> 00:34:48,106 He got talking about Chatham, 612 00:34:48,140 --> 00:34:49,707 about all the drug dealers, 613 00:34:49,742 --> 00:34:52,610 about all the violence, 614 00:34:52,645 --> 00:34:55,246 about how maybe we could do better 615 00:34:55,281 --> 00:34:58,883 than the cops at cleaning it up. 616 00:34:58,918 --> 00:35:03,221 And did you ever get around to doing any of that, 617 00:35:03,255 --> 00:35:07,659 uh, sticking up drug dealers? 618 00:35:07,693 --> 00:35:08,893 No. 619 00:35:14,033 --> 00:35:16,134 Was Jasen Pangburn even involved 620 00:35:16,168 --> 00:35:18,870 - in The Orion Foundation? - No. 621 00:35:18,904 --> 00:35:20,104 Then why kill him? 622 00:35:20,139 --> 00:35:23,741 I didn't know that was going to happen. 623 00:35:23,776 --> 00:35:26,911 I swear! 624 00:35:26,946 --> 00:35:31,215 Cofell just asked me if I wanted to go on a mission. 625 00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:32,884 What kind of mission? 626 00:35:32,918 --> 00:35:37,455 We drove over to Pangburn's place. 627 00:35:37,489 --> 00:35:41,826 Cofell took out a gun, a nine-shot twenty-two. 628 00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:44,629 He knocked on the door and, uh, 629 00:35:44,663 --> 00:35:46,364 the old man answered. 630 00:35:46,398 --> 00:35:50,401 And that was it, he just came out, no questions asked? 631 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:53,438 No. He wanted us to leave. 632 00:35:53,472 --> 00:35:58,309 But then Cofell showed him the gun. 633 00:35:58,344 --> 00:36:02,280 A nine-shot revolver. Pretty rare. 634 00:36:04,316 --> 00:36:06,718 He offered to sell it. 635 00:36:06,752 --> 00:36:09,454 We all knew that Pangburn liked shooting guns. 636 00:36:09,488 --> 00:36:14,626 Jasen got excited when he saw the .22. He looked at me; 637 00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:16,728 he looked at the gun and said 638 00:36:16,762 --> 00:36:18,930 he wanted to test fire it. 639 00:36:18,964 --> 00:36:21,332 It was a trap. 640 00:36:22,067 --> 00:36:24,035 Jason Cofell was thinking to himself, 641 00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:25,837 "Good, Jasen Pangburn's taking me 642 00:36:25,871 --> 00:36:27,972 to a place where I can kill him." 643 00:36:30,442 --> 00:36:34,679 They went across the road, went down across the field. 644 00:36:34,713 --> 00:36:37,615 They got down into the ravine where Jasen Pangburn does 645 00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:40,385 his target practice. 646 00:36:40,419 --> 00:36:46,190 The .22-caliber gun that Jason Cofell had was a nine-shot gun. 647 00:36:51,397 --> 00:36:55,500 Jasen Pangburn fired the gun three times into a tree. 648 00:36:55,534 --> 00:36:56,701 Your turn. 649 00:37:05,077 --> 00:37:09,947 Stephen Hill also fired the gun three times. 650 00:37:13,585 --> 00:37:15,019 Jason Cofell stood... 651 00:37:16,889 --> 00:37:18,456 fired two rounds into the tree... 652 00:37:22,094 --> 00:37:24,962 put his hand and the gun down by his side... 653 00:37:32,071 --> 00:37:34,405 Hey, Cofell. You still got a shot left. 654 00:37:44,416 --> 00:37:45,783 Cofell? 655 00:37:50,723 --> 00:37:52,757 Jason Cofell fired 656 00:37:52,791 --> 00:37:55,259 right into the heart of Jasen Pangburn. 657 00:38:03,802 --> 00:38:06,304 Why'd you shoot me? 658 00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:12,076 Because you pissed me off. 659 00:38:17,683 --> 00:38:21,319 He made me bury the body with leaves 660 00:38:21,353 --> 00:38:23,955 and then he said we had to go back to the house. 661 00:38:23,989 --> 00:38:27,525 Why? 662 00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:31,462 The grandparents saw us. 663 00:38:31,497 --> 00:38:33,331 Cofell told 664 00:38:33,365 --> 00:38:37,001 Stephen Hill, "We're going to go back and kill the grandparents. 665 00:38:37,035 --> 00:38:40,938 And if you don't do it, I'm gonna kill you 666 00:38:40,973 --> 00:38:42,607 and I'm gonna kill your parents." 667 00:38:42,641 --> 00:38:44,742 So what happened next? 668 00:38:44,777 --> 00:38:48,613 He gave me a knife. 669 00:38:48,647 --> 00:38:51,649 He said he would take the old man; I'd take the old lady. 670 00:38:51,683 --> 00:38:56,187 So we went back to the house. 671 00:38:58,857 --> 00:39:03,494 Cofell went to take the old man and I stayed with her. 672 00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:07,532 And I stabbed her, like he said, 673 00:39:07,566 --> 00:39:12,503 but I didn't want to kill her! 674 00:39:12,538 --> 00:39:16,079 I tried not to go too deep. 675 00:39:17,743 --> 00:39:21,012 When Cofell came back in the room 676 00:39:21,046 --> 00:39:23,314 and he saw that she was still alive, 677 00:39:23,348 --> 00:39:26,217 he stabbed her over 678 00:39:26,251 --> 00:39:30,221 and over and over and he wouldn't stop. 679 00:39:30,255 --> 00:39:32,890 At that point, Mr. Critchley came out 680 00:39:32,925 --> 00:39:37,061 of the bathroom and yelled at them and Jason Cofell ran over 681 00:39:37,095 --> 00:39:40,164 and stabbed him three times and he fell back 682 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:43,034 into the bathroom, knocking out the cord on the clock. 683 00:39:54,413 --> 00:39:57,949 Jason Cofell went upstairs, he got the guns, came down, 684 00:39:57,983 --> 00:40:00,551 stole Mr. Critchley's wallet from his pocket, 685 00:40:00,586 --> 00:40:04,622 put them in the truck and drove away. 686 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,399 It was probably just a matter 687 00:40:15,434 --> 00:40:18,569 of coincidence that Constable Mark Gransden from the OPP was 688 00:40:18,604 --> 00:40:20,571 down the street. He has just pulled off the road 689 00:40:20,606 --> 00:40:23,207 to do some notes up. 690 00:40:30,282 --> 00:40:32,917 Jason Cofell told Stephen Hill, 691 00:40:32,951 --> 00:40:36,554 "If anybody saw us, we were going to have to go back 692 00:40:36,588 --> 00:40:37,788 and kill everybody." 693 00:40:37,823 --> 00:40:40,191 That was his mom. 694 00:40:40,225 --> 00:40:43,294 She saw us; we're gonna have to take care of it. 695 00:40:43,328 --> 00:40:44,328 Going back. 696 00:40:44,363 --> 00:40:46,697 Shit! 697 00:40:49,001 --> 00:40:50,668 And it possibly could have happened that way 698 00:40:50,702 --> 00:40:53,571 had there not been a police officer there. 699 00:40:57,276 --> 00:41:01,479 Jason Cofell never showed any emotion or any remorse at all. 700 00:41:01,513 --> 00:41:06,284 Cofell went after Pangburn because he had this hate for him. 701 00:41:06,318 --> 00:41:10,988 He shot Jasen Pangburn in the heart. 702 00:41:11,023 --> 00:41:15,626 I have never seen anything so vicious as this guy's mind. 703 00:41:15,661 --> 00:41:21,132 There were many, many lives that will never, ever be the same. 704 00:41:22,668 --> 00:41:25,303 Jasen Pangburn wasn't a follower. 705 00:41:25,337 --> 00:41:28,306 He was a good, quiet young man. 706 00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:32,977 His grandparents were just enjoying their retirement. 707 00:41:33,011 --> 00:41:36,647 They were nice, caring people. 708 00:41:36,682 --> 00:41:44,021 Unfortunately, uh, the Critchleys were just there 709 00:41:44,056 --> 00:41:48,726 in the wrong place at the wrong time. 710 00:41:52,873 --> 00:41:58,377 - Sync and corrections by ByDem - - www.addic7ed.com - 54856

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