All language subtitles for The Detectives (2018) 3x02 - Stef Out of Lies (English)

A lot of homicide cases,
we can't answer the, "Why?"

How could somebody go
into a grandmother's home

and murder her?

It's tragic in every sense.

- This woman's been murdered.
- And you think I did this?

I don't have the murder weapon.

It was nearly an impossible task.

Irene didn't just fall.

She was murdered.

She wasn't always the easiest
person to get along with.

Who else would have access
to Irene's bank card?

The person who murdered her.

Everybody wants us to solve this.

There's no greater responsibility.

Physically exhausting,
mentally exhausting,

and it sticks with you
for the rest of your life.

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The city of Lethbridge was
probably not much different

than most other cities.

People were realizing we're not
a small, sleepy city anymore,

that crime happens in our backyard

and in our quiet neighbourhoods.

There was a period of 18 months
where we had a dozen homicides.

It made people concerned.

Were they safe in their homes?

Did they need to lock their doors?

Hey. So, what do we know?

Deceased woman is Irene
Carter, 78 years old.

Lives alone. Found by her son-in-law.

He's at the station with his wife,

Mrs. Carter's daughter.

Her body's blocking the front door.

Any signs of forced entry?

No, and the doors were locked.

The side door, we determined,
was a safe route to go in.

Before the door was
open, I could smell death.

I knew that she was
dead inside that home

before I got inside the home.

To me, she'd been
there a couple of days,

because it takes some time
for that smell to arrive.

You never get used it.

Once you've smelled it once,

it enters all your senses,

and it sticks with you
for the rest of your life.

Her clothing is soaked in blood.

Blood running through her eyes.

Blood down her face.

I could see the stab
wounds through her chest

and through her heart area.

I move upstairs into the living room,

and there's items that are knocked off.

It looks like there's been a struggle.

I wasn't sure.

Was Irene fighting for her life

or was somebody ransacking the place?

In the kitchen,

there's a knife block

with a single knife that
appeared to be missing.

We find her landline.

The phone cord that plugged
the phone into the wall

was disconnected.

I knew that somebody had
disconnected that phone cord,

and that somebody would be the person

who committed this homicide.

I went into Irene's bedroom.

Somebody had rummaged
through the drawers.

Maybe she came home
and interrupted them,

and they'd murdered
her for her property,

for her jewellery, for her rings.

How is it possible

for somebody to murder a
78-year-old grandmother?

She was a sweet, innocent lady.

She devoted her entire
life to her family.

Standing over somebody
that's been murdered,

it's hard to explain.

I want to connect with that person

to try to get a feeling of them,

to feel their spirit, feel their soul...

to reach out to them to let them know

that I'm there to help.

Lisa, when was the last time
you spoke with your mother?

A few days ago.

I, uh... We normally
speak pretty regularly.

Uh, but I left a few messages,
and I didn't hear back.

We... we live in Calgary.
That's a two-hour drive.

So I asked my son, Forrest,
if, uh, he would go,

and then... and then check on Mom.

And he lives here.

Um, but he was out camping.

And so then, we... we
went out ourselves and...

Can you, um, walk me
through that, please?

Yeah, um, I entered the house first.

Through the front?

Back. We always use the back.

I came through the basement

and, uh, as I approached the stairs...

I saw Irene laying there.

And, um, were you with your husband?

No, I, uh, I stayed downstairs.

As soon as I saw the body,
I yelled not to come in.

I called 911,

and I... I told them

that it looked like she'd fallen
down the stairs and hit her head.

How close did you get?

Oh, not very.

I saw a lot of blood,

but I... I could see that it was dry.

So, uh, I knew that it
was too late for help.

Look, I'm very sorry to
have to tell you this,

but Irene didn't just fall.

She was murdered.

What? Why?

Well, we're not sure,
but perhaps a robbery

or, uh, maybe she let
someone into the house.

Oh my God!

Uh, the last time we spoke,

Mom told me about a
furnace man that... that...

He... he wanted, uh...

He... he wanted her to hire him.

Maybe... maybe he came back.

Did, um, did Irene give you
some sort of description?

Um, just that he was, uh, really pushy.

The elderly woman found dead in her home

has been identified by Lethbridge Police

as 78-year-old Irene Carter.

Speaking to reporters yesterday,

friends and family described Carter

as a kind, caring grandmother

who was enjoying her retirement.

Though a police spokesperson

declined to provide reporters details,

it has been confirmed

that Carter was the victim
of a violent attack.

Nice people. I feel
sorry for their family.

Friends of mine,

their parents lived
in that neighbourhood.

And after that crime happened,

they couldn't sleep
in their home anymore

until the police had this solved.

An autopsy was completed Monday

at the Calgary Medical
Examiner's Office,

which determined Mrs. Carter died

as a result of stab wounds.

The police were here.
They've been here 2 or 3 times.

They went through the backyard.
They brought the dogs.

It's upsetting,

but I guess it happens
even in Lethbridge.

Everybody wants us to solve this.

The community really
wants us to solve this.

Okay. So, what do we
know about Irene Carter?

Lisa's her only child.

Her husband, Jack, has dementia,

so he was moved to a
facility nearly 3 months ago.

She's been living alone ever since.

- No suspicion there.
- Exactly.

Thing is, Irene didn't
have many friends,

but she didn't have any enemies either.

Not a single person we interviewed

thought anyone could harm Irene.

Well, Lisa mentioned something
about a pushy furnace man.

So if Irene let him in,

it could explain why
there was no forced entry.

We should move on him.

Yeah, well, I can call
the furnace companies,

find out who was going door to door.

But what day are we looking at?

When was the last day she was seen?

Uh, we have security footage

showing Irene and a friend at the casino

at 10:25 a.m. on Wednesday the 13th.

13th... Were they gambling?

No. They were having breakfast. Yeah.

I can confirm with security,
Irene wasn't a gambler.

She just liked taking
advantage of the breakfast deal.

So, the friend dropped
Irene off at home afterwards,

around 11:30 a.m.

Uh, she didn't go in. We talked to her.

Uh, she offered a DNA sample.

She was cooperative. Uh,
there's no suspicion there.

We checked her answering machine,

and she listened to a
message at 11:54 a.m.

Okay, what was the message?

She had a $65 fee on her
new mortgage insurance.

And after that, she picked up
a call from Lisa at 12:28 p.m.

Okay, we can talk to Lisa
about that. Anything else?

Nothing.

The next call comes in at 7:41 p.m.,

a friend checking in,

but Irene never listened to the message

or any of the ones after that.

Right. So, she was alive at 12:28.

Then she didn't pick up the phone

or check her messages at 7:41.

So we could assume that the murder

probably happened
sometime in that window.

Does the autopsy report
mention a time of death?

No. Just says it happened
more than 36 hours ago.

- Cause of death is stabbing.
- Hmm.

18 stab wounds.
Unbelievable. But hold on.

It says here that she
suffered blunt-force trauma

to the back of the head.

Now, Dean thought that
she died from a head wound.

Her chest was covered in blood.

Why jump to head wound?

The examiner needed to shave her hair

just to see the trauma.

We need his alibi.

Bring them back in.

You got it.

Dean's initial call to 911

was that Irene had fallen down
the stairs and hit her head.

We couldn't see the injury on scene.

How did he know she hit her head?

Irene's phone showed a
call from you at 12:28 p.m.

Do you remember what that was about?

Uh, it was a typical check-in.

Except for the furnace man,
um, comment I told you about.

And what did you do after the call?

I was with my friend, Andrea.

We went to the mall,
and, uh, after that,

we went back home to my house for lunch.

She left at 5:00 p.m.,
and I went to the gym.

Okay. And, uh, what about you?

I was at work.

Uh, I'm working really long hours.

I'm hardly ever home.

Now, please remind me,
when you found Irene's body,

what did you think happened?

Well, I... I thought she
fell and hit her head.

And what made you think that?

Well, she was at the
bottom of the stairs,

and I could see blood around her head.

And what about her chest?

Was it not covered in blood too?

So, Dean tells us
he didn't get close enough

to see anything specific.

Is he trying to cover up a homicide?

Is he the person that murdered Irene?

It's hard for community to hear,

that a 78-year-old lady
was stabbed to death

inside her own home.

We need to alibi Dean.

We need to know where he
was the day of Irene's death.

I call Dean's work,

and everybody confirms that
Dean is not in Lethbridge

during the time of the homicide.

- Ryan?
- Yeah.

Look what I just found on the
grandson's social-media account.

This one's for you, Grandma.

He told his mother

that he couldn't check
on Irene over the weekend

because he was going camping.

But he posted this on Sunday.

So we check out Forrest's story.

He never went camping that weekend.

We bring Forrest in to
talk to him about his lie,

see if he'll come clean.

And he does.

So, your mother told us

that you went camping last weekend.

My parents told me I should
talk to you about that.

- It wasn't actually true.
- All right.

So why'd you lie?

The thing is,

my grandma's had a lot of
mental-health issues this past year,

and my mom was basically taking
care of everything for her,

but she lives 2 hours away.

Look, I live here, so she
was constantly getting me

to do stuff for Grandma.

Like checking up on her?

I know that it sounds selfish.

It's just...

I was so sick of it.

So when she called,

I said I was up in Crowsnest Pass.

I just never thought my
grandma would end up dead.

Were you close to your grandmother?

I mean, she gave me some
money towards my tuition.

And she'd take me to Costco sometimes.

She was nice like that,

but she wasn't always the easiest person

to get along with.

Tell me about the 13th.

What did you do that day?

Uh, well, I go to U of L,

so I had a philosophy class at 3:00.

And then I went to the
gym after to work out.

Forrest was genuine. He was tearful.

He was coming across as
being completely honest.

But I got to check up
on it and make sure.

So we checked with his professor.

He was in class that day.

The elderly woman found dead in her home

has been identified by Lethbridge Police

as 78-year-old Irene Carter.

Carter's body was discovered
by a family member.

There's a great fear in
the community at this time.

Our home is supposed
to be our safe place

and our sanctuary,

and it's not anymore.

I went in front of the
cameras to do a media release

and a public plea for help.

Anybody that may be aware
of a company, a business

or people that may have been
at Lethbridge at that time...

I was looking to find
if anybody had seen anything

they thought was suspicious,

and it worked.

- I've got something.
- What's up?

Neighbours reported
seeing a gas salesman

canvassing Irene's area
the week of the murder.

Gas and furnaces are related.

Maybe that's the pushy furnace
guy Lisa was talking about.

Call the company. Get a name.

I already did. Denis Caseman.

There's a warrant out on
him for drug possession.

So, I called the gas
company, and turns out,

he was the guy going door to
door the day Irene was killed.

- And he's left town.
- You know where he is?

They think he's in Edmonton.

All right, well, call
Edmonton and fill them in.

Right now, he's our prime suspect.

It's very important
that we find Caseman.

Was he our guy that went door to door?

Was he our furnace guy that
Irene was talking to Lisa about?

Edmonton Police finds Denis for us.

And I have the opportunity
to speak with him.

- What's this about?
- Have a seat, please.

You sell gas door to door, right?

Tell me, how does that work?

Do they assign you to neighbourhoods?

Yeah. Different towns and cities.

And they send us out
for, like, a week a time.

What about Lethbridge?

Which areas did you canvass?

Over here. I've been over here.

He tells me that he was in
that neighbourhood that day.

Does, uh, this house look familiar?

No.

He told me: "I do not
recognize the home".

All right.

What about this woman?

What's this about?

- This woman's been murdered.
- And you think it was me.

This person has a record.

He has a violent past,

but he's willing to do a polygraph.

We cleared Denis of any wrongdoing.

He has nothing to do with this.

So, there were ATM cash withdrawals

from Irene's account on
the 11th, 12th and 13th,

just shy of $1,000 each day.

- Including the day she died.
- Mm-hmm.

And this is the security
footage from the ATM machine.

Do you recognize her?

I have no idea who this person is.

I've never seen this person before.

It's not Irene. It's... it's not Lisa.

Who else would have access
to Irene's bank card?

The person who murdered her.

In the hours before Irene's death,

this person takes a
large amount of money

out of Irene's bank account.

How did she get the bank card?

Lisa, she knows Irene
the best out of everybody.

She might know who this person is.

No. I have no idea who that is.

Thank you.

How much did you say
that she, uh, took out?

$980.

Oh, that's odd.

That's, uh, pretty much the same amount

I took out on the 13th.

You took money out of
your mother's account.

- Is that normal?
- Oh, absolutely.

I've been handling all
of her banking since May.

I had to take over power of attorney

because she was having
mental-health issues.

Do you have any transaction records?

- From the withdrawals?
- Yeah.

Well, not likely, no.

Well, would you mind

if I pulled information from the bank?

Please do.

Great. Thank you.

So, I talk to the bank
about the withdrawal,

and they verify, yeah, it
was Lisa that took it out.

This shows the $980 withdrawal

from Mrs. Carter's account.

Mm-hmm.

And it shows here the deposit
to Mrs. Freihaut's account.

There's no other
withdrawals for that day.

No, this doesn't make any sense.

The footage you sent us

clearly shows somebody
else making that withdrawal.

How could that be possible?

- We could check the footage.
- Yeah, please.

The lady in the video
is definitely not Lisa.

Nobody has seen this person before.

We need to figure out who this lady is.

That's not the footage you sent us.

It was Lisa who did the withdrawal.

Initially, the bank had given us
the wrong surveillance footage.

Hey, you're not gonna believe this.

We followed up with the
friend that alibied Lisa.

- She lied.
- What?

She wasn't with her
the day of the murder.

- Why would she lie?
- Because Lisa asked her to.

She left her this voicemail.

Hey, it's Lisa.

The cops just came up and
interviewed me and Dean.

I said that you and I
were together on the 13th.

We went out for coffee...

Lisa's setting up an alibi.

She's trying to get
one of her close friends

to lie to the police

about where she was on the
day her mother was murdered.

Just let them know that
you were with me. Bye-bye!

Lisa's lied to me.

Unbelievable.

Maybe Dean's alibi was a lie as well.

I needed to go out there
and find out the truth.

You lied to me about your alibi.

I thought you might come back.

My friend said she told you guys.

Well, now I have a warrant.

Lisa was hiding something.

She's lying and manipulating.
I need to know why.

The truth is,

Mom and I fought when
we spoke on the 13th.

When we, uh, hung up the
phone, um, I was upset.

I can be impulsive, so
I, uh, got in the car.

- You drove to Lethbridge?
- Yeah.

I wanted to say that I was sorry.

But then when I, uh, got there,

there was a car parked
in Mom's driveway.

Okay. Do you remember the make or colour?

No. I think white.

I... I had no reason to pay attention.

I thought it was home care.

So I, um, I parked the car,

and I waited for the person to leave.

But they never did.

So I, uh, I left, and I... I went home.

So you never actually
saw your mother that day.

No.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't know anybody
that would drive 2 hours

to see their mother after
a fight on the phone,

and then just sit there
and look at the house,

and then drive away
without making any contact.

We finally went to check up on her...

and then we found her body.

I was so scared.

I thought: "Holy crap!"

"It's gonna look so bad if...
if I admit that I was there".

So I lied. I didn't
know what else to do.

Lisa trusts me.

She's comfortable knowing
that I will listen to her

and agree with what she
says and take it as fact.

Look, here's the thing, Lisa.

This is a murder investigation.

So you have to understand

that our job is to
eliminate you as a suspect.

So, I'm gonna need your phone.

And I'm gonna need the
clothes you wore on the 13th.

So that means the pink coat,
the jeans, everything, okay?

Okay. I... I'll go get them.

Thank you.

We're also gonna need this iPad.

Look, I promise I will
get you everything back

as soon as I can, okay?

And, um, just one more thing.

I'm sorry, but we're also
gonna need a DNA sample.

Forensics report on Lisa's clothes.

Great!

No blood. No DNA from Irene. Dammit!

We also got nothing off
of Lisa's cell phone.

It was reset to factory settings.

Are you kidding me?
Can you at least crack it?

Oh, and check this out.

I pulled Lisa's iPad search history.

"How to wipe a cell phone".

"What can police get from a cell dump?"

"Police cell phone forensics".

I should've taken their phones

that very first day at the station.

Then she never would
have wiped her phone.

And we never should have

interviewed her and Dean together!

Come on, man. You didn't know.
I mean, we saw them as victims.

Yeah, well, try telling that
to the community!

You know, people are scared
out there because of this.

And there's nothing we can say!

Because even if we suspect Lisa,

we've got nothing on her.

She's been playing us
from the very start.

I was angry.

I needed to be able to solve this thing,

build a case strong enough
to stand up in court,

convict Lisa for killing her mother.

The murder of Irene
Carter was very disturbing.

It was extremely scary
for the neighbourhood,

for the city itself.

Out of the blue,

we got a phone call from the clerk

that was working at a
clothing store in Calgary.

The clerk was scared that
something sinister was happening

and Lisa was involved.

Lisa and I go way back.
We used to work together.

Yesterday, she called me

and said that her mom had been murdered

and the cops were looking at the family.

Then she asked me if I
could wipe the security tape.

And did you?

No. I told her only
head office has access.

Honestly, the whole
thing creeped me out.

Why do you think she
wanted the tape wiped?

She didn't want to
make herself look bad.

She bought the same
coat for the 2nd time.

She bought the first
one around Christmas,

and then the second one
a couple of weeks after.

The thing that's weirder about that

is it wasn't even her size.

She's a 2XL, and all
we had left was a 3XL.

She still bought it.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

The jacket she was wearing
the day of the homicide

was a double XL.

I go back to the police station.

Lisa has given me a triple XL,

because she knows that
that jacket is clean.

I know that she's lying.

And I know that each one of her lies

is gonna be that little
piece of the puzzle

that will put her in jail
for the rest of her life.

I go over all the
evidence that we gathered.

What may have been missing?

- I revisit all the phone calls.
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And the one phone call that stood out

was the last one that
was listened to by Irene,

that she owed $65 for
insurance on her mortgage.

All of a sudden, that
didn't make sense to me.

This is a well-off lady
who doesn't have a mortgage.

How is this possible?

Hey, Mel, can you play me
the last message Irene heard,

the one about the $65 fee?

Hi! This is Duramark Insurance calling.

Our records are showing

that you no longer qualify for
our mortgage-free discount.

Mrs. Carter, I'm seeing an
outstanding fee for $65.

- Okay. Thanks.
- So, if you can give the office a call,

we'd really appreciate it.

Thank you.

Okay...

The mortgage is in Mrs. Carter's name

for $101,340.

And who took out the mortgage?

- It's signed by Lisa Frei...
- Freihaut.

Yeah.

Can you pull up

all of Mrs. Carters'
transactions this last year?

Sure.

Okay...

For the first 4 months of 2015,

not a lot of withdrawals.

Since May...

there's almost $200,000 in withdrawals.

Lisa had been abusing
her mother financially,

using her power of attorney.

Here's how I think it happened.

The last message that Irene heard

was the mortgage call at 11:54 a.m.

That's how she learned about it.

She was upset, so she called Lisa.

Then Lisa called her back at 12:28.

Irene picked up. They fought.

Then Lisa drove out to Lethbridge,

maybe to work things out like she said,

or maybe she was already forming a plan.

But either way, she killed Irene.

It makes sense. Can we arrest her?

Not without something tying
her directly to the crime.

- Like the murder weapon.
- Exactly. Or her real clothes.

And I think it's time
we start surveilling her.

Let's get a tracker on her car.

Done.

I don't feel I have
enough for a conviction.

I need to gather more
evidence against Lisa.

So I get that tracker on Lisa's vehicle,

and I see that she's on the move.

We can prove that Lisa had
withdrawn around $200,000

out of Irene's bank accounts.

That is a huge amount of money.

Lisa and Dean's lifestyle,

it hadn't changed much over the years.

They drove older vehicles,

nothing brand new, nothing fancy.

That didn't make sense to me.

Where is that money going to?

What is happening
with all of that money?

The moment Lisa got power of attorney,

she discovered a way she could
access a large amount of money.

She could gamble, and nobody would know.

Yeah. You see the
blonde right over there?

You know her?

She's a regular. Likes the slots.

She'll come in, drop $5,000 and leave,

come back and drop another.

How long has she been coming here?

I don't know, months.

She was in a deep hole,

trying to dig her way out,
but only falling deeper.

It all makes sense now.

Lisa's gambling, that's my motive.

Lisa's phone was wiped.

That doesn't mean

that we can't go to
the cell phone company

and get information from them.

_

They can tell us what time,

what tower a cell phone was used at.

The day after the
homicide on the 14th...

Lisa had gone to a rural area

with a lot of farm fields, gravel roads.

I believed at this time

that Lisa had driven up into Airdrie

to get rid of evidence.

We searched for a long time.

Came up with nothing.

I decided that I needed to
turn up the heat on Lisa.

Somehow, I had to find a way

to get Lisa to show us
a little bit of her hand.

We got a tip that you
were driving around Airdrie

the day after the homicide.

Well, they thought it seemed weird.

- Me?
- Mm-hmm.

Oh, right. I... I got a
phone call from a friend,

and I picked her up outside a
convenience store in Airdrie.

She, um, she was in an
abusive relationship,

and, uh, she needed my help.

And, uh, what's your friend's name?

- Uh, Terri-Lynn.
- Terri-Lynn.

And her phone number?

I don't have that. She called
me from a payphone.

Okay. Well, um, what's her last name?

Oh, I don't have that either.

We don't exchange last names.

I met her at a Gamblers
Anonymous meeting.

You're a member of Gamblers Anonymous?

I had a gambling addiction years ago,

but that's all in the past.

I just, um...

I... I go, uh, every now and then,

uh, to be safe.

Lisa was upset.

She knows that she
now has to come up with

new and different stories
to cover her tracks.

There was one other thing.

Yeah, um, we also got a call

that you bought that
pink coat multiple times?

Yeah, that was for Terri-Lynn.

Oh, your friend from Gamblers Anonymous?

Yeah. I... I gave her my coat.

You know, I bought her
some stuff, uh, some clothes

to start a new life.

So I bought a new one.

If she knows that I've
learned about the jacket,

that puts pressure on her.

And I want as much pressure on her

as I can possibly put on her.

I want her to break.

So then, that would mean that
the, uh, coat that you gave us,

was not in fact the coat
that you were wearing

the day of the homicide.

Oh, you... you know what?

I think you're right. I am so sorry.

That thought never even crossed my mind.

Lisa knows that it's starting
to look more and more and more

like she has committed this crime.

But I want her to keep believing

that I'm eating everything
up and on her side.

So I come up with a plan

to get Lisa to go in
front of the cameras

and do a public plea for help.

If you have any information
about what happened to my mom,

please contact the
Lethbridge Police Services.

While she's in the media room,

we plant a bug in her vehicle

so that we can listen

to the conversation
between Lisa and Dean

after the press conference
and for all the days coming.

This is the first time

I don't get to send my mom flowers

or give her a card on Mother's Day,

see her beautiful garden...

Lisa looked like she was
doing her best to try to cry.

It's another story. It's another lie.

If you have any information...

Does Dean know anything about this?

Or is he playing me a little bit too?

I know that wasn't easy.

But, um, you both did great in there.

I'll let you know if there's any tips.

I hope it helps.

Thank you. All right.

Oh, hey! Uh, Lisa, just one more thing.

Look, I'm really sorry,

but our guys did a bit of
damage on your mother's house

when they were collecting forensics.

Not to worry, not to worry.
We already got an appraisal.

But we found out that
there was a mortgage

that she had recently
taken out on the house.

Any idea why?

- No.
- Okay.

Well, if anything comes to
mind, uh, do let me know.

- Of course.
- I'll see you.

What?

Aren't you gonna start the car?

Your mother didn't take
out that mortgage. You did.

Tell me the truth!

Okay.

- Yes, I took it out.
- Oh, Jesus! Why?

To pay for Forrest's school loans.

Jesus, Lisa! What are you thinking?

How are you gonna pay that money off?

And why did you keep it from me?

Why are you yelling at me?

Dean is innocent.

God!

He was being manipulated
just as much as anybody.

I learned a lot about Dean.

He was as genuine as any man I've met.

To put pressure on Lisa

also meant pressuring
the family as well.

Irene's accounts were thriving...

until you took them over.

You listed medical expenses,

but we know that's a lie
'cause insurance paid those.

We checked.

That's where the money
was going, wasn't it?

Dean didn't think you were gambling.

He trusted you, like
any good husband would.

He thought you were going to rehab.

Ouch!

Stef met with your son the other day.

Yeah, he asked him about your lies

and who he thought killed his granny.

I asked your mother about
the mortgage she took out

on your grandmother's house.

You know what she said?

She said it was for you.

To pay off your student loans.

Forrest has not spoken to
his mom since this happened.

You never got any of that
money, did you, Forrest?

I know.

Why do you think she asked you to lie?

'Cause she thought you
were gonna arrest her.

For what?

Murder.

She said she didn't do it, but...

Your own mother asked
you to lie to the police.

She also asked you

to go to your grandmother's, didn't she?

She told me to go to the front door.

And I just...

- She... she told me to look in.
- I'm sorry, Forrest.

You can let it out.

Tell me.

Tell me what you think happened.

I think my mother killed my grandma.

And I think she wanted
me to find the body.

How could she do that?

How could she have
wanted to do that to me?

The moment she saw the
interview with Forrest

is the moment she broke.

She knew at that moment

that she had to get this off her chest.

I'm so sorry for what I did

and all the BS I... I told you about.

You're so kind, even now.

Come clean now, Lisa.

For your family.

Help them move on.

Mom called,

and, uh, she was really
upset about the mortgage.

I said: "I'm coming over to see you".

I... I wanted to come
clean and deal with it.

- Come clean about the money.
- Yeah.

And she knew I was gambling again.

And in the past, she'd
always bailed me out,

but this time...

she was livid.

So we moved into the kitchen,

and it became a screaming match.

She grabbed a knife out of the block

and was yelling at me
to get out of her house.

So I... I grabbed the knife

and, um, stabbed her, um,

I don't know how many times.

I pushed her down the stairs.

I could tell she was still alive.

I should have called
the cops, but I panicked.

And I banged her head against the floor.

And that's when she stopped breathing.

I'm so sorry.

A lot of homicide cases,
we can't answer the why.

There's no justifying any of this.

The brutality, the fear,

the pain...

that Irene went through.

A 78-year-old grandmother, defenceless.

There's no way

that anybody could wrap
their head around any of this.

It's tragic in every sense.

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