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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,102 --> 00:00:19,196 "Once upon a time, there was a little princess, 2 00:00:19,306 --> 00:00:23,799 "the most beautiful little princess in all the land. 3 00:00:28,847 --> 00:00:30,336 "Her hair was long and blonde, 4 00:00:30,448 --> 00:00:32,848 "and her eyes were as brown as the dark waters of the river 5 00:00:32,951 --> 00:00:34,851 "which ran by her castle. 6 00:00:34,953 --> 00:00:36,978 "But the little princess was unhappy, 7 00:00:37,088 --> 00:00:39,578 "for she was lonely. 8 00:00:39,690 --> 00:00:43,922 "Someday she would find her kind, handsome prince, 9 00:00:44,027 --> 00:00:46,859 "and he would sweep her up on a big white horse, 10 00:00:46,963 --> 00:00:49,158 "and he would take her away and marry her, 11 00:00:49,265 --> 00:00:51,927 and they would live happily ever after." 12 00:00:52,034 --> 00:00:55,469 Hi, I'm Joyce McKinney, and that's from my pending book, 13 00:00:55,570 --> 00:00:57,094 A Very Special Love Story. 14 00:01:07,047 --> 00:01:09,607 - First of all, were you surprised to be put in prison? 15 00:01:09,717 --> 00:01:11,980 - I really didn't feel I'd done anything wrong. 16 00:01:12,085 --> 00:01:16,021 I still don't feel I did anything wrong. 17 00:01:16,122 --> 00:01:19,023 I would never do anything to hurt Kirk Anderson 18 00:01:19,125 --> 00:01:20,455 or slander him. 19 00:01:20,559 --> 00:01:22,618 In fact, in my book... 20 00:01:22,728 --> 00:01:27,688 my book is handled in a very tender, nice fashion. 21 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:29,356 It's not a porno story 22 00:01:29,467 --> 00:01:31,662 like these crazy newspapers have tried to make it. 23 00:01:31,769 --> 00:01:33,464 It's a love story, you know? 24 00:01:33,571 --> 00:01:35,562 And, I mean, I would never do anything to hurt him 25 00:01:35,673 --> 00:01:38,197 or to cause him any harm at all. 26 00:01:38,308 --> 00:01:41,300 And the way that they threw me in prison 27 00:01:41,411 --> 00:01:44,209 and tried to act like I was some sort of criminal 28 00:01:44,314 --> 00:01:47,749 and present this image over was really what got to me. 29 00:01:53,655 --> 00:01:57,215 My life started out in a small town in North Carolina. 30 00:01:57,325 --> 00:01:59,316 I was one of these girls who was gonna meet, you know, 31 00:01:59,427 --> 00:02:02,055 an all-American guy and get married 32 00:02:02,163 --> 00:02:03,652 and have a little Leave It to Beaver house 33 00:02:03,764 --> 00:02:04,924 with a white picket fence 34 00:02:05,032 --> 00:02:07,023 and just have a great little life. 35 00:02:08,869 --> 00:02:10,359 Started dating very late in life. 36 00:02:10,470 --> 00:02:12,460 Didn't start dating till I was, like, 17. 37 00:02:12,571 --> 00:02:15,563 Was in an accelerated program for kids with high IQs. 38 00:02:15,674 --> 00:02:17,164 - How high was your IQ? 39 00:02:17,276 --> 00:02:18,243 - 168. 40 00:02:20,545 --> 00:02:22,342 I hadn't been out in the world much 41 00:02:22,447 --> 00:02:24,108 till I went to Utah. 42 00:02:24,215 --> 00:02:27,116 You know, I hadn't been around much. 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,111 - But there were a lot of men attracted to you? 44 00:02:30,220 --> 00:02:31,482 - Well, I guess so. I don't know. 45 00:02:31,588 --> 00:02:33,317 I'm not that vain that I would say... 46 00:02:33,424 --> 00:02:36,052 but I wasn't looking for just any guy. 47 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,525 I wanted a special guy. 48 00:02:38,628 --> 00:02:41,222 I wanted a special guy. 49 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:42,695 And he had to have certain qualities. 50 00:02:42,799 --> 00:02:44,096 There are plenty of guys out there, 51 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,667 but I wanted a special guy. 52 00:02:47,369 --> 00:02:48,802 I met this professor, and he said, 53 00:02:48,904 --> 00:02:50,735 "Well, I've got these perfect guys for you, 54 00:02:50,839 --> 00:02:52,534 "and they're just your type, Joyce. 55 00:02:52,641 --> 00:02:54,131 "They don't smoke, and they don't drink, 56 00:02:54,242 --> 00:02:55,299 "and they're clean-cut, 57 00:02:55,409 --> 00:02:56,808 "and you're just going to love them. 58 00:02:56,911 --> 00:02:59,573 And why don't you come over to my house and meet them?" 59 00:03:01,816 --> 00:03:03,248 They were Mormons. 60 00:03:03,349 --> 00:03:05,749 They didn't tell me what Mormonism was all about. 61 00:03:05,852 --> 00:03:07,820 He didn't say, "We're a group that believes 62 00:03:07,921 --> 00:03:09,616 "that Jesus was a polygamist 63 00:03:09,722 --> 00:03:12,281 and was married to Mary Magdalene." 64 00:03:12,391 --> 00:03:13,949 He didn't say, "We believe that God lives 65 00:03:14,059 --> 00:03:16,084 on a star named Kolob." 66 00:03:16,195 --> 00:03:18,629 He didn't say, "We believe that black people 67 00:03:18,730 --> 00:03:23,325 were cursed with the mark of Cain." 68 00:03:23,434 --> 00:03:25,664 They made me think they were a church. 69 00:03:25,770 --> 00:03:29,261 They made me think that they were family-oriented. 70 00:03:30,807 --> 00:03:34,174 And so I was drawn to them, as a young 19-year-old teenager, 71 00:03:34,277 --> 00:03:35,869 like a moth to a flame. 72 00:03:35,979 --> 00:03:38,412 I was just so happy to go to this place 73 00:03:38,514 --> 00:03:40,914 where I thought that I would have my pick 74 00:03:41,016 --> 00:03:43,450 of just all-American friends, 75 00:03:43,552 --> 00:03:46,145 people, husband material, I guess. 76 00:03:47,755 --> 00:03:50,622 I had a Corvette, and I had a big old English sheepdog 77 00:03:50,725 --> 00:03:52,818 that loved to ride in the Corvette. 78 00:03:52,927 --> 00:03:57,886 And I had a good friend. Her name was Marilyn Clark. 79 00:03:57,998 --> 00:03:59,625 There wasn't anything Marilyn didn't do: 80 00:03:59,733 --> 00:04:02,702 smoke, drink, have sex with Hells Angels. 81 00:04:02,803 --> 00:04:05,862 I mean, this was a wild child. We were exact opposites. 82 00:04:05,972 --> 00:04:07,803 She used to call me "Holier-Than-Thou McKinney" 83 00:04:07,907 --> 00:04:10,034 because I was so straight. 84 00:04:10,143 --> 00:04:11,632 We would cruise the pizza parlor, 85 00:04:11,743 --> 00:04:14,177 and we decided to cruise down by Frosty's ice cream parlor. 86 00:04:14,279 --> 00:04:15,974 And I noticed this really handsome guy 87 00:04:16,081 --> 00:04:20,244 driving alongside me also in a Corvette, white Corvette. 88 00:04:20,351 --> 00:04:22,683 And he kind of looks around at me like he's watching me. 89 00:04:22,786 --> 00:04:25,220 And I thought, "Whoa, he's cute." 90 00:04:25,322 --> 00:04:27,222 And I kept on driving, 91 00:04:27,324 --> 00:04:28,620 and Marilyn goes, 92 00:04:28,725 --> 00:04:30,659 "Hey, McKinn, he's following you." 93 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,318 And I go, "He is?" 94 00:04:32,428 --> 00:04:35,795 So I let him chase me. He was quite aggressive. 95 00:04:37,065 --> 00:04:40,398 And he pulled in beside me and cleared his throat. 96 00:04:40,502 --> 00:04:42,299 Then he goes, "Like your car." 97 00:04:42,404 --> 00:04:44,463 I go, "Thanks. I like yours too." 98 00:04:44,573 --> 00:04:46,540 He goes, "I really like yours better." 99 00:04:46,641 --> 00:04:47,903 I go, "Want to drive it?" 100 00:04:58,385 --> 00:05:01,616 When I met my Kirk, 101 00:05:01,721 --> 00:05:03,085 it was like in the movies... 102 00:05:06,392 --> 00:05:08,792 When the girl comes down the stairs, and their eyes meet. 103 00:05:08,894 --> 00:05:11,862 When Juliet looks at Romeo, and it's... pkew! 104 00:05:11,963 --> 00:05:13,055 That's how it was. 105 00:05:14,832 --> 00:05:16,800 He had the most beautiful blue eyes 106 00:05:16,901 --> 00:05:18,926 and the sexiest smile, 107 00:05:19,037 --> 00:05:22,233 and he always had the cleanest skin. 108 00:05:33,950 --> 00:05:37,976 - Kirk Anderson was a very big, rather flabby, 109 00:05:38,086 --> 00:05:44,184 300-pound, 6'3", not athletic or attractive-looking man 110 00:05:44,292 --> 00:05:46,122 in the accepted sense of the word 111 00:05:46,227 --> 00:05:48,218 who had a very shuffle-y kind of walk, 112 00:05:48,329 --> 00:05:50,763 the last person in the world that you'd think would be 113 00:05:50,864 --> 00:05:57,166 the object of this kind of strange sexual passion. 114 00:05:57,270 --> 00:06:00,205 He had known Joyce McKinney in Salt Lake City, 115 00:06:00,306 --> 00:06:02,297 and she had fallen in love with him. 116 00:06:02,408 --> 00:06:05,570 Fallen in love with him... become obsessed by him, 117 00:06:05,677 --> 00:06:07,872 because that's another thing about Joyce is obsession. 118 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:10,073 I mean, she just obsesses about things. 119 00:06:10,182 --> 00:06:11,409 I don't know what the details 120 00:06:11,515 --> 00:06:14,882 of their relationship was in Salt Lake City, 121 00:06:14,986 --> 00:06:19,423 but they obviously had some kind of romance or love affair, 122 00:06:19,523 --> 00:06:22,491 because if one's to believe Joyce at all, 123 00:06:22,592 --> 00:06:26,323 he had promised her a family and children. 124 00:06:26,429 --> 00:06:28,056 - He actually told me he loved me 125 00:06:28,164 --> 00:06:29,460 the first night I met him 126 00:06:29,565 --> 00:06:32,329 and asked me to marry him the second night, 127 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:34,800 and then the next thing I know, we're naming our kids. 128 00:06:34,903 --> 00:06:38,030 And we were gonna name 'em all with Js and Ks: 129 00:06:38,139 --> 00:06:40,073 J for "Joyce" and Ks for "Kirk," 130 00:06:40,174 --> 00:06:42,267 Joshua, Jacob. 131 00:06:42,377 --> 00:06:43,844 You know, we had the names picked out. 132 00:06:43,945 --> 00:06:45,434 Kyle, Kirk. 133 00:06:48,181 --> 00:06:50,615 And I remember, he took me home to meet his Mormon mother, 134 00:06:50,717 --> 00:06:53,584 and she was this big, oh, huge woman, 135 00:06:53,687 --> 00:06:56,211 about 350 pounds in a tent dress, 136 00:06:56,322 --> 00:06:57,414 and she took one look at me 137 00:06:57,523 --> 00:06:59,423 with my little beauty queen figure, 138 00:06:59,525 --> 00:07:01,254 and her eyes went up, and her eyes went down, 139 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,418 and she goes, "She doesn't look like a Mormon to me." 140 00:07:12,269 --> 00:07:13,964 From the time I was a little girl, 141 00:07:14,071 --> 00:07:15,231 I was in pageants. 142 00:07:17,608 --> 00:07:19,666 It gave me a chance to develop myself 143 00:07:19,776 --> 00:07:23,473 to be the best person I could be 144 00:07:23,579 --> 00:07:28,515 with my looks, with my talent, with my personality. 145 00:07:32,254 --> 00:07:35,246 The pageants gave me, as a small-town girl, 146 00:07:35,357 --> 00:07:36,517 the chance to perform. 147 00:07:42,897 --> 00:07:45,626 - So Mom thought you were too sexy for him? 148 00:07:45,732 --> 00:07:49,964 - I guess she thought I was too pretty or something. 149 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:52,834 Kirk and I were just ready for the big wedding, 150 00:07:52,939 --> 00:07:54,064 and everything was happy. 151 00:07:54,173 --> 00:07:55,401 The only problem is, 152 00:07:55,507 --> 00:07:57,532 I was wanting to get married in the Christian church, 153 00:07:57,643 --> 00:07:59,975 and he was getting pressure from the other side, 154 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:02,410 and so one day, he vanished into thin air. 155 00:08:02,513 --> 00:08:04,572 I don't mean he left me. I don't mean he abandoned me. 156 00:08:04,682 --> 00:08:06,377 I don't mean he left me for another woman. 157 00:08:06,484 --> 00:08:08,816 I mean he evaporated into thin air. 158 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,080 He wasn't the kind of person to just run off like that. 159 00:08:11,188 --> 00:08:12,746 His things were still at my place, 160 00:08:12,856 --> 00:08:15,450 and, you know, it was just weird. 161 00:08:16,660 --> 00:08:18,287 I did what any American girl would do 162 00:08:18,395 --> 00:08:20,089 if her fiancè vanished into thin air: 163 00:08:20,196 --> 00:08:21,094 I looked for him. 164 00:08:21,197 --> 00:08:22,789 I went to L.A., 165 00:08:22,898 --> 00:08:25,389 and I worked three jobs trying to save up enough money 166 00:08:25,501 --> 00:08:26,729 to pay a private investigator 167 00:08:26,836 --> 00:08:28,234 to find out what happened to him. 168 00:08:28,336 --> 00:08:30,896 The private investigator found him in England. 169 00:08:31,005 --> 00:08:32,063 The Mormons had him. 170 00:08:32,173 --> 00:08:35,700 - All young men in the Church, 171 00:08:35,810 --> 00:08:37,572 from the time that we're young boys, 172 00:08:37,678 --> 00:08:41,205 we're indoctrinated to prepare to go on mission. 173 00:08:41,315 --> 00:08:45,012 We sing songs like I Hope They Call Me On A Mission. 174 00:08:45,118 --> 00:08:50,420 - ♪ I hope they call me on a mission ♪ 175 00:08:50,523 --> 00:08:54,891 - You leave as a boy. You come back as a man. 176 00:08:54,993 --> 00:08:57,553 For Kirk, when he reaches the age of 19, 177 00:08:57,662 --> 00:09:00,256 he doesn't get whisked away from Joyce. 178 00:09:00,365 --> 00:09:01,627 He's just fulfilling 179 00:09:01,733 --> 00:09:04,701 his religious spiritual responsibilities. 180 00:09:08,939 --> 00:09:13,341 - Joyce knew where he'd gone and set up this plan 181 00:09:13,443 --> 00:09:16,674 with her strange, unexplained friend Keith May 182 00:09:16,780 --> 00:09:20,340 to come over to the U.K. 183 00:09:20,449 --> 00:09:22,713 - I had a really good friend from Torrance, California. 184 00:09:22,818 --> 00:09:23,978 He was an architect, 185 00:09:24,086 --> 00:09:26,054 and his name was Keith Joseph May. 186 00:09:26,155 --> 00:09:28,452 Everybody called him "K.J." 187 00:09:28,556 --> 00:09:30,319 K.J. was like my big brother, and he said to me, 188 00:09:30,425 --> 00:09:32,689 "I don't want you going over there to England by yourself." 189 00:09:32,794 --> 00:09:34,659 Said, "You don't know what they're gonna do to ya." 190 00:09:34,762 --> 00:09:37,355 All I knew is this powerful group 191 00:09:37,464 --> 00:09:41,161 had done something to the man I loved. 192 00:09:41,268 --> 00:09:42,860 We got two bodyguards to go with us. 193 00:09:42,969 --> 00:09:44,903 One was a big guy that was... 194 00:09:45,004 --> 00:09:47,495 what do you call... a body-builder guy. 195 00:09:47,606 --> 00:09:49,005 And the other was a pilot. 196 00:09:51,544 --> 00:09:52,909 - I was interested in something 197 00:09:53,012 --> 00:09:56,640 a little bit more exciting than what I was doing. 198 00:09:56,748 --> 00:09:58,306 I saw an ad in the newspaper. 199 00:09:58,416 --> 00:10:01,613 They wanted a pilot to fly short trips in England, 200 00:10:01,719 --> 00:10:04,186 and it sounded kind of interesting to me. 201 00:10:04,288 --> 00:10:06,779 So I called the phone number, and a gentleman answered, 202 00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:09,381 and an appointment was made for the following week. 203 00:10:09,493 --> 00:10:11,016 I was expecting to go to an office 204 00:10:11,127 --> 00:10:12,389 or something like that, 205 00:10:12,495 --> 00:10:14,520 but it turned out to be an apartment building. 206 00:10:18,501 --> 00:10:21,765 I was taken in by a gentleman by the name of Keith. 207 00:10:21,870 --> 00:10:23,963 And after I was there for a few minutes, 208 00:10:24,072 --> 00:10:25,266 why, Joyce came out. 209 00:10:25,373 --> 00:10:27,307 - Tell me about that first meeting. 210 00:10:27,409 --> 00:10:30,400 - Well, I was favorably impressed. 211 00:10:30,511 --> 00:10:32,945 She had a totally see-through blouse on. 212 00:10:33,047 --> 00:10:34,309 I can even remember the color. 213 00:10:34,415 --> 00:10:37,440 It was a light brown, totally see-through blouse. 214 00:10:37,550 --> 00:10:38,608 - No bra? 215 00:10:38,718 --> 00:10:40,845 - No bra, see-through blouse. 216 00:10:45,657 --> 00:10:49,616 She was very, very easy to talk to. 217 00:10:49,728 --> 00:10:52,424 At one point, she came over and sat down next to me. 218 00:10:52,531 --> 00:10:55,761 I was trying to perceive what type of relationship 219 00:10:55,867 --> 00:10:58,859 existed between Keith and her at that point. 220 00:10:58,970 --> 00:11:00,767 Perhaps maybe down the line, 221 00:11:00,872 --> 00:11:03,305 I might want to ask this girl out for dinner or something. 222 00:11:05,108 --> 00:11:07,008 Joyce had a trunk that she brought out, 223 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:11,011 and in it were folders, pictures, tablets, 224 00:11:11,113 --> 00:11:14,446 letters from a private investigator in England. 225 00:11:14,550 --> 00:11:18,748 She then unraveled a story to me that was just unreal. 226 00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:26,384 Joyce had hired bodyguards, she told me, from Gold's Gym. 227 00:11:26,494 --> 00:11:27,552 She was gonna put 'em up 228 00:11:27,661 --> 00:11:30,994 while they were there in England, 229 00:11:31,098 --> 00:11:35,831 and they were going to liberate her fiancè from this cult group. 230 00:11:35,936 --> 00:11:37,368 In the back of my mind, 231 00:11:37,470 --> 00:11:39,734 I was trying to figure out how she could have all this money 232 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:41,329 to take all these people to England. 233 00:11:43,509 --> 00:11:46,807 She told me she was a model. 234 00:11:46,912 --> 00:11:49,642 I didn't realize models made that kind of money. 235 00:11:52,417 --> 00:11:55,613 - We actually hired some guys to go with us from Los Angeles 236 00:11:55,719 --> 00:11:57,653 in case we were attacked or anything. 237 00:11:57,755 --> 00:11:59,188 I didn't know what was gonna happen. 238 00:11:59,290 --> 00:12:01,383 I didn't know what I was gonna be walking into. 239 00:12:01,492 --> 00:12:05,154 I didn't know if they would release him willingly or what. 240 00:12:05,261 --> 00:12:07,229 I didn't know if they would do something to hurt me. 241 00:12:07,330 --> 00:12:08,524 I didn't know. 242 00:12:08,631 --> 00:12:11,190 - Joyce called me and wanted to know 243 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:15,498 if I would fly her someplace in an airplane locally for dinner. 244 00:12:15,604 --> 00:12:17,037 That sounded pretty good. 245 00:12:17,139 --> 00:12:19,606 I thought it might possibly be an overnight trip or something, 246 00:12:19,707 --> 00:12:21,698 and I was more than up for that. 247 00:12:21,809 --> 00:12:24,972 But when Joyce showed up, much to my surprise, 248 00:12:25,079 --> 00:12:26,979 Keith was with her. 249 00:12:27,081 --> 00:12:30,208 I felt this was a time that I could try to make 250 00:12:30,317 --> 00:12:32,512 a determination on how real she was 251 00:12:32,619 --> 00:12:34,382 and her financial ability. 252 00:12:34,487 --> 00:12:38,684 So I did rent the most expensive airplane that was possible, 253 00:12:38,791 --> 00:12:42,227 single-engine, a Beechcraft A36 Bonanza. 254 00:12:44,996 --> 00:12:47,055 When you rent an airplane like that, 255 00:12:47,165 --> 00:12:48,757 you have to give 'em a credit card, 256 00:12:48,866 --> 00:12:51,232 and they lock in the approximate amount it was gonna be. 257 00:12:51,336 --> 00:12:52,735 Joyce didn't have a credit card. 258 00:12:52,837 --> 00:12:54,497 But she did bring out an envelope 259 00:12:54,605 --> 00:12:56,300 filled with hundred-dollar bills. 260 00:13:01,211 --> 00:13:03,906 That brought me a little bit closer to realizing 261 00:13:04,013 --> 00:13:07,847 maybe she has the money to do what she wants to do. 262 00:13:07,950 --> 00:13:09,440 So we flew down to San Diego. 263 00:13:09,552 --> 00:13:11,109 We had dinner, and we flew back. 264 00:13:11,219 --> 00:13:12,379 - Didn't stay the night. 265 00:13:12,487 --> 00:13:13,920 - No. No. 266 00:13:14,022 --> 00:13:16,650 Keith was with her, and so... 267 00:13:16,758 --> 00:13:18,658 that was three people there. 268 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,886 That's not for me. 269 00:13:25,199 --> 00:13:27,167 - I take it that you were attracted to Joyce. 270 00:13:27,267 --> 00:13:29,200 - Yes. 271 00:13:29,302 --> 00:13:32,362 She was in her late 20s, had an outstanding figure, 272 00:13:32,472 --> 00:13:36,407 had a Southern accent, long blonde hair. 273 00:13:38,010 --> 00:13:40,979 Any heterosexual male would be attracted to Joyce. 274 00:13:44,782 --> 00:13:47,444 Prior to our departure from the United States to England, 275 00:13:47,551 --> 00:13:49,485 they wanted me to meet the bodyguard. 276 00:13:49,587 --> 00:13:51,680 His name was Gil. 277 00:13:51,789 --> 00:13:53,086 Gil would come to their place. 278 00:13:53,189 --> 00:13:54,451 I would come to their place, 279 00:13:54,557 --> 00:13:57,424 then we would go down to the beach. 280 00:13:57,527 --> 00:14:00,655 Then they told me the beach they were going to was a nude beach. 281 00:14:00,764 --> 00:14:03,095 Well, I've never been to a nude beach, 282 00:14:03,198 --> 00:14:06,258 so that really slowed me down a little bit. 283 00:14:06,368 --> 00:14:08,199 Joyce spread out a blanket 284 00:14:08,303 --> 00:14:11,294 and proceeded to take off all her clothes. 285 00:14:11,406 --> 00:14:12,771 Totally. 286 00:14:14,175 --> 00:14:17,201 Very quickly, three to four guys showed up 287 00:14:17,311 --> 00:14:19,335 around the blanket and started taking pictures. 288 00:14:19,446 --> 00:14:21,346 I don't know where they came from. 289 00:14:21,448 --> 00:14:23,473 Joyce protested, tried to stop them. 290 00:14:23,583 --> 00:14:25,016 She claimed that she was a model, 291 00:14:25,118 --> 00:14:27,177 and she didn't want photographs taken of her. 292 00:14:27,287 --> 00:14:28,878 After about 15 minutes, 293 00:14:28,988 --> 00:14:31,650 Joyce put on her clothes, and we left the beach. 294 00:14:31,757 --> 00:14:35,853 And so we met at Los Angeles International Airport. 295 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,451 Keith May was there, Joyce McKinney, 296 00:14:38,563 --> 00:14:40,258 Gil Parker, and myself. 297 00:14:45,836 --> 00:14:48,100 First off, Gil Parker had a problem 298 00:14:48,205 --> 00:14:50,571 when he went through customs. 299 00:14:50,674 --> 00:14:52,539 They asked him what his occupation was, 300 00:14:52,643 --> 00:14:54,200 and he told 'em he was a bodyguard. 301 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:55,607 And they said, "For who?" 302 00:14:55,712 --> 00:14:57,839 And they said, "For Joyce and Keith." 303 00:14:57,947 --> 00:15:00,177 Well, that put up a red flag, evidently, in customs, 304 00:15:00,283 --> 00:15:01,443 and they pulled him out. 305 00:15:01,550 --> 00:15:03,575 Well, that scared Gil right there. 306 00:15:03,685 --> 00:15:08,179 Then, on the second day, we were in a motel room together, 307 00:15:08,290 --> 00:15:11,156 and Joyce had a lot of baggage. 308 00:15:11,258 --> 00:15:13,624 I'd never seen anybody travel with so many bags. 309 00:15:13,728 --> 00:15:15,696 And they took out wireless microphone 310 00:15:15,796 --> 00:15:16,990 and listening devices. 311 00:15:17,098 --> 00:15:18,395 Surprised me. 312 00:15:18,499 --> 00:15:20,261 I wasn't sure what they were going to use it for. 313 00:15:20,366 --> 00:15:21,731 It was something you could probably 314 00:15:21,835 --> 00:15:23,200 just have carried through customs, 315 00:15:23,303 --> 00:15:26,136 but they had it inside of a portable radio. 316 00:15:26,239 --> 00:15:28,934 Well, when Gil seen this, that about did it for him. 317 00:15:29,041 --> 00:15:30,531 That was when he called me outside 318 00:15:30,642 --> 00:15:32,405 and said he wanted to go back the next day. 319 00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:37,309 The private investigator had told Joyce 320 00:15:37,415 --> 00:15:39,849 two or three different places where Kirk was at, 321 00:15:39,951 --> 00:15:42,476 and Keith was gonna go into some of these places 322 00:15:42,587 --> 00:15:45,077 where this cult group was supposed to be, 323 00:15:45,188 --> 00:15:46,416 ask questions, 324 00:15:46,523 --> 00:15:49,617 and it would be transmitted out to Joyce in the car... 325 00:15:49,726 --> 00:15:51,023 wirelessly. 326 00:15:57,166 --> 00:16:00,499 Keith May and I, we wanted to go out a little bit on our own, 327 00:16:00,603 --> 00:16:04,402 but Joyce was keeping us so busy, we couldn't, 328 00:16:04,506 --> 00:16:05,473 so one day, she... 329 00:16:05,573 --> 00:16:06,665 - Keeping you so busy? 330 00:16:06,775 --> 00:16:08,072 - Yeah, driving places, 331 00:16:08,176 --> 00:16:10,666 checking out places, walking places. 332 00:16:10,778 --> 00:16:13,440 She had this wig, this wig she called "Matilda." 333 00:16:13,547 --> 00:16:15,139 And she'd wear this strange wig 334 00:16:15,249 --> 00:16:17,945 when we'd go out driving sometime and sunglasses. 335 00:16:18,051 --> 00:16:20,109 And any time we'd go down near one of these churches 336 00:16:20,219 --> 00:16:21,846 where they were trying to find out 337 00:16:21,954 --> 00:16:24,184 if Kirk was gonna be at that church 338 00:16:24,290 --> 00:16:25,951 or if that was one he frequented, 339 00:16:26,058 --> 00:16:28,184 she'd have that wig on. 340 00:16:28,293 --> 00:16:32,093 We were across, in front of a building. 341 00:16:32,197 --> 00:16:35,791 Out come two young men dressed in suits, 342 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:37,891 a tie, and a white shirt. 343 00:16:38,002 --> 00:16:40,163 And she told me, "There is Kirk." 344 00:16:40,271 --> 00:16:41,932 Well, I was totally surprised. 345 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:44,098 This was nobody being held captive. 346 00:16:44,207 --> 00:16:46,300 And that's when Joyce kind of leveled with me. 347 00:16:46,409 --> 00:16:49,742 She showed me a bottle of chloroform, 348 00:16:49,846 --> 00:16:54,248 and I'd already seen this phony gun they had. 349 00:16:54,349 --> 00:16:56,715 I was going to be no part of any of this, 350 00:16:56,819 --> 00:16:58,446 and I told her that. 351 00:17:02,924 --> 00:17:07,020 - So she arrives with Keith May, lurks around, 352 00:17:07,128 --> 00:17:11,120 waits around outside the temple of whatever it was, 353 00:17:11,231 --> 00:17:13,358 Latter-Day Saints of something or other, 354 00:17:13,466 --> 00:17:16,299 waited for this huge, shuffling figure to come out 355 00:17:16,403 --> 00:17:18,802 with his short Mormon haircut 356 00:17:18,904 --> 00:17:23,341 and pointed a gun at him and said, "Get into the car." 357 00:17:23,442 --> 00:17:24,966 - In the final analysis, 358 00:17:25,077 --> 00:17:28,170 the one way they were able to make contact with Kirk... 359 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:29,644 Keith called him and told him 360 00:17:29,747 --> 00:17:31,977 he wanted to convert to the Mormon religion, 361 00:17:32,083 --> 00:17:34,415 and they thought they had a new convert. 362 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:36,247 Now, I'm not sure this is the exact scenario, 363 00:17:36,353 --> 00:17:38,253 but at that point, Keith used the gun 364 00:17:38,355 --> 00:17:39,549 to get him out to the car. 365 00:17:42,326 --> 00:17:45,192 - So you drive up in your rental car with K. J. 366 00:17:45,294 --> 00:17:47,524 - I waited, and K.J. went in, 367 00:17:47,630 --> 00:17:49,996 because they're not supposed to be in the room alone with girls. 368 00:17:50,099 --> 00:17:53,158 So K.J. went in and said, "Joyce is in the car." 369 00:17:53,268 --> 00:17:54,565 And Kirk turned around, 370 00:17:54,669 --> 00:17:56,534 and he threw the keys to his companion and said, 371 00:17:56,638 --> 00:17:58,435 "I've got to go out in the car and get something. 372 00:17:58,540 --> 00:18:01,235 I'll be right back." 373 00:18:01,342 --> 00:18:03,537 - So he goes out with K.J.? 374 00:18:03,644 --> 00:18:05,544 - Yeah, and didn't come back, 375 00:18:05,646 --> 00:18:08,137 and his poor old dumb companion is sitting there 376 00:18:08,249 --> 00:18:10,773 staring like he's catching flies, 377 00:18:10,884 --> 00:18:13,011 looking out the window, waiting for him to come back. 378 00:18:16,456 --> 00:18:18,253 He got in the car, and he goes, 379 00:18:18,357 --> 00:18:19,790 "How long have you been in England?" 380 00:18:19,892 --> 00:18:21,154 Like a robot. 381 00:18:21,260 --> 00:18:22,921 He was almost speaking in a monotone voice, 382 00:18:23,028 --> 00:18:25,861 and he'd go, "They said you didn't love me anymore." 383 00:18:25,964 --> 00:18:28,431 It was like he had a personality alteration, 384 00:18:28,532 --> 00:18:32,263 Kirk Number 1 and Kirk Number 2. 385 00:18:32,370 --> 00:18:35,827 Kirk Number 1 was the man I fell in love with. 386 00:18:35,939 --> 00:18:38,373 Kirk Number 2 was Cult Kirk. 387 00:18:43,813 --> 00:18:46,576 - According to all the reports at the time, 388 00:18:46,682 --> 00:18:52,245 he was driven 250 miles to a cottage in Devon. 389 00:18:52,354 --> 00:18:56,153 She had a suitcase full of all the equipment required, 390 00:18:56,257 --> 00:18:57,417 including, I gather, 391 00:18:57,525 --> 00:19:01,620 some Los Angeles Police Department 392 00:19:01,728 --> 00:19:05,630 Smith & Wesson handcuffs. 393 00:19:05,732 --> 00:19:10,498 And he was taken in and chained to... 394 00:19:10,603 --> 00:19:12,901 Joyce claims it was ropes, not chains, 395 00:19:13,005 --> 00:19:14,438 but chains sounds better. 396 00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:17,566 Anyway, he was allegedly chained to a bed, 397 00:19:17,677 --> 00:19:19,200 first by his ankle 398 00:19:19,311 --> 00:19:21,404 so that he could actually reach the toilet. 399 00:19:21,513 --> 00:19:24,175 The chain was long enough for him to get to the toilet. 400 00:19:24,282 --> 00:19:26,113 Subsequently, with the help of Keith May, 401 00:19:26,217 --> 00:19:27,376 was spread-eagled... 402 00:19:27,484 --> 00:19:28,473 spread-eagled... 403 00:19:28,585 --> 00:19:31,213 which is this wonderful bondage word... 404 00:19:31,322 --> 00:19:33,654 was spread-eagled to the bed, 405 00:19:33,757 --> 00:19:38,659 and Keith May discreetly left the room at this point, I think, 406 00:19:38,761 --> 00:19:40,661 closed the door behind him, 407 00:19:40,763 --> 00:19:43,231 and Joyce had sex with him. 408 00:19:46,368 --> 00:19:47,494 And she said to him 409 00:19:47,602 --> 00:19:49,627 she was going to go on having sex with him 410 00:19:49,738 --> 00:19:52,706 until she found she had missed a period 411 00:19:52,807 --> 00:19:56,174 and would then hopefully be pregnant by him. 412 00:19:56,277 --> 00:19:58,677 - She wanted to be inseminated? 413 00:19:58,779 --> 00:20:01,076 - Yes, I think that's the polite word for it. 414 00:20:04,851 --> 00:20:07,649 - Kirk and I went to this cottage down in England. 415 00:20:07,754 --> 00:20:10,551 Well, I think they called it the Devon area down there. 416 00:20:10,656 --> 00:20:12,681 Real Franco Zeffirelli. 417 00:20:12,791 --> 00:20:15,225 You know, like Brother Sun, Sister Moon type shots. 418 00:20:15,327 --> 00:20:17,852 If you saw that film, that's what it looked like. 419 00:20:17,963 --> 00:20:20,863 - Clare! 420 00:20:20,965 --> 00:20:23,433 You shouldn't have come, but I knew you would. 421 00:20:23,534 --> 00:20:24,626 I knew. 422 00:20:24,736 --> 00:20:25,930 - I have to tell you, 423 00:20:26,037 --> 00:20:28,129 and I don't care if the whole world knows it. 424 00:20:28,238 --> 00:20:31,935 From now on, I'm not asking to be loved. 425 00:20:32,042 --> 00:20:33,669 I want to love! 426 00:20:42,251 --> 00:20:44,218 - Okay, if you can get that vision 427 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:46,913 set in your head, Mr. Filmmaker. 428 00:20:47,022 --> 00:20:48,751 - How'd you find this place? 429 00:20:48,857 --> 00:20:51,485 - Well, I was looking for someplace peaceful 430 00:20:51,593 --> 00:20:53,082 where he could normalize, 431 00:20:53,193 --> 00:20:59,462 someplace where he could come back to Kirk Number 1. 432 00:20:59,566 --> 00:21:04,468 I had a big fireplace, patchwork quilt, silk sheets... 433 00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:06,970 blue to match his eyes, with his initials on it... 434 00:21:07,073 --> 00:21:11,202 cinnamon oil back rub, 'cause he loved my back rubs, 435 00:21:11,309 --> 00:21:14,301 and all his favorite foods in the fridge. 436 00:21:17,182 --> 00:21:19,843 - What were his favorite foods in the fridge? 437 00:21:19,950 --> 00:21:23,647 - Oh, I had chocolate cake and Southern-fried chicken. 438 00:21:23,754 --> 00:21:24,914 He loved my chicken. 439 00:21:25,022 --> 00:21:26,284 Mashed potatoes. 440 00:21:27,757 --> 00:21:30,453 I made everything that he wanted. 441 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,052 I was like his little, you know, wifey almost. 442 00:21:35,531 --> 00:21:36,759 We were slow-dancing. 443 00:21:36,865 --> 00:21:39,425 He got turned on as we were dancing. 444 00:21:39,535 --> 00:21:41,696 I'll be blunt. He had an erection, okay? 445 00:21:41,804 --> 00:21:44,795 And we sat down on the bed, and he said, 446 00:21:44,906 --> 00:21:46,203 "Can you give me a back rub?" 447 00:21:46,307 --> 00:21:48,605 And I got the cinnamon oil, which I had warmed, 448 00:21:48,709 --> 00:21:49,801 and I was giving him a back rub. 449 00:21:49,911 --> 00:21:51,742 And he had these ugly garments on, and I said, 450 00:21:51,846 --> 00:21:53,437 "How am I supposed to give you a back rub 451 00:21:53,547 --> 00:21:55,515 with this Mormon thing on?" 452 00:21:55,615 --> 00:21:56,980 And I ripped the ugly things off, 453 00:21:57,084 --> 00:21:58,381 because they smelled, you know, 454 00:21:58,485 --> 00:22:00,009 and they had those occultic symbols, 455 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:02,883 and I didn't want anything ugly there 456 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:04,319 in our beautiful moment. 457 00:22:04,423 --> 00:22:06,948 You know, it was like a honeymoon cottage. 458 00:22:07,059 --> 00:22:09,686 And we burned 'em. We actually burned 'em. 459 00:22:09,794 --> 00:22:11,853 - You ripped off his magic underwear 460 00:22:11,963 --> 00:22:13,157 and burned it? 461 00:22:13,264 --> 00:22:14,492 - And I threw 'em in the fireplace 462 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:16,066 where they belonged! 463 00:22:16,167 --> 00:22:18,566 Where they should put 'em all, as far as I'm concerned. 464 00:22:18,669 --> 00:22:20,830 - There's folk stories galore, 465 00:22:20,938 --> 00:22:26,137 legends of the temple garment protecting people from harm. 466 00:22:27,777 --> 00:22:29,972 The hooks, the psychic hooks of the temple 467 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:35,106 are so... pried in so deep that even people 468 00:22:35,217 --> 00:22:39,415 who don't go to church anymore still wear them, 469 00:22:39,521 --> 00:22:41,079 because in the back of their mind, like... 470 00:22:41,189 --> 00:22:43,816 "What if I don't wear them, and then Satan's got me?" 471 00:22:47,194 --> 00:22:48,183 - Kirk was impotent. 472 00:22:48,295 --> 00:22:53,755 He was sexually impotent because of this brainwashing. 473 00:22:55,268 --> 00:22:56,929 He's not supposed to have sexual feelings. 474 00:22:57,036 --> 00:22:59,027 He's not supposed to have emotional feelings. 475 00:22:59,139 --> 00:23:03,234 He's not supposed to fall in love. 476 00:23:03,342 --> 00:23:05,310 And we were in love. 477 00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:09,073 He loved me, and I loved him. 478 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:11,307 I knew there was only one way to get Kirk out of Mormonism, 479 00:23:11,415 --> 00:23:14,111 and that was to make love with him, 480 00:23:14,218 --> 00:23:15,412 because for a Mormon missionary 481 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,283 to have a love affair is totally taboo. 482 00:23:17,388 --> 00:23:19,412 They can't be in a room alone with a girl 483 00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:22,788 without their companion with them to even shake hands. 484 00:23:22,893 --> 00:23:25,259 So if it took giving up my virginity 485 00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:27,829 in a romantic moonlit cottage, so be it. 486 00:23:27,930 --> 00:23:30,865 I just wanted him out of that cult. 487 00:23:30,966 --> 00:23:33,264 We started to make love, and all of a sudden, 488 00:23:33,369 --> 00:23:35,359 he jumps up on the bed like this, and he goes, 489 00:23:35,470 --> 00:23:37,165 "By the law of the holy prophet Joseph Smith, 490 00:23:37,272 --> 00:23:39,206 "I cannot not touch my bodies or the bodies of others 491 00:23:39,307 --> 00:23:40,672 "in an unnatural, experimental way! 492 00:23:40,775 --> 00:23:41,969 By the law of the holy prophet..." 493 00:23:42,076 --> 00:23:43,406 Hold a Book of Mormon firmly in hand. 494 00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:45,444 Sing a Mormon song. Sing a Mormon song. 495 00:23:45,546 --> 00:23:48,242 Because he's turned on, and he's not supposed to be. 496 00:23:48,348 --> 00:23:49,713 And I go, "Ha." 497 00:23:49,816 --> 00:23:52,079 I'd come across an ocean to find him, 498 00:23:52,185 --> 00:23:54,085 and the Mormons are in our bedroom? 499 00:23:54,187 --> 00:23:58,681 - That moment, when his garments are coming off, 500 00:23:58,791 --> 00:24:00,849 that could have been a moment that triggered him, 501 00:24:00,959 --> 00:24:01,891 like, "Oh, my gosh." 502 00:24:01,993 --> 00:24:03,722 "Oh, my heck," as they say in Utah. 503 00:24:03,828 --> 00:24:06,797 "I'm doing something wrong." 504 00:24:08,166 --> 00:24:09,325 - I went back in the kitchen, 505 00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:11,094 and I got myself a real cold glass of water. 506 00:24:11,202 --> 00:24:12,464 - Does he still have the erection 507 00:24:12,570 --> 00:24:13,628 while he's chanting? 508 00:24:13,737 --> 00:24:15,432 - Well, I came back... to be continued... 509 00:24:15,539 --> 00:24:17,029 I came back in there, and I'm thinking, 510 00:24:17,141 --> 00:24:18,300 "Am I doing something wrong?" 511 00:24:18,408 --> 00:24:21,741 He started to cry. He had ejaculated, I guess. 512 00:24:21,844 --> 00:24:24,813 He said, "Please don't tell 'em about the filthy place, 513 00:24:24,914 --> 00:24:26,380 what happened at the filthy place." 514 00:24:26,481 --> 00:24:28,346 And I said, "Honey, what's wrong?" 515 00:24:28,450 --> 00:24:30,611 He goes, "They'll know." 516 00:24:30,719 --> 00:24:33,279 I mean, every guy on the planet masturbates and has wet dreams. 517 00:24:33,388 --> 00:24:35,651 And I ask him, I said, "Honey, don't you have those dreams 518 00:24:35,756 --> 00:24:37,417 guys have or whatever they're called?" 519 00:24:37,525 --> 00:24:41,017 He goes, "Yeah, but I didn't tell 'em in the interview." 520 00:24:41,128 --> 00:24:42,186 I go, "What interview? 521 00:24:42,296 --> 00:24:43,887 They talk to you about this stuff?" 522 00:24:43,997 --> 00:24:45,794 He goes, "Yeah, once a week. 523 00:24:45,899 --> 00:24:47,491 "They take us in rooms by ourselves, 524 00:24:47,601 --> 00:24:50,695 and they say, 'M1, M2, M3? M1, M2, M3?"' 525 00:24:50,804 --> 00:24:51,827 I go, "What's that?" 526 00:24:51,937 --> 00:24:53,529 "Masturbation once, masturbation twice, 527 00:24:53,639 --> 00:24:54,628 "masturbation three times. 528 00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:55,707 "So many times, you're out. 529 00:24:55,808 --> 00:24:56,775 "You're Xed. You're home. 530 00:24:56,875 --> 00:24:57,933 "You're off your mission. 531 00:24:58,043 --> 00:24:59,408 You can't get married in the temple." 532 00:24:59,511 --> 00:25:02,274 I go, "Kirk, these people are controlling your sex drive. 533 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:04,871 "They're controlling your mind. They're controlling your food. 534 00:25:04,983 --> 00:25:07,213 You can't have coffee, tea, or Pepsi-Cola." 535 00:25:09,419 --> 00:25:10,977 There was a Christian marriage manual, 536 00:25:11,088 --> 00:25:15,184 which I bought, which explained sex to young virgins. 537 00:25:15,292 --> 00:25:17,953 There was a section in there on sexual impotence. 538 00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:19,254 Im-po-tence. 539 00:25:19,362 --> 00:25:21,489 l-M-P-O-T-E-N-C-E. 540 00:25:21,597 --> 00:25:26,158 And it said sometimes if a guy was very repressed sexually, 541 00:25:26,268 --> 00:25:28,099 which poor Kirk was, Lord knows, 542 00:25:28,203 --> 00:25:30,797 that you could tie the person up, 543 00:25:30,905 --> 00:25:33,897 and they could say, "Ah, I'll let go." 544 00:25:34,009 --> 00:25:36,169 You know, "I can finally let go and make love." 545 00:25:36,277 --> 00:25:38,939 And so I went, and I read that section really quick, 546 00:25:39,046 --> 00:25:40,343 speed-read it. 547 00:25:40,447 --> 00:25:41,880 And I come back and I said, 548 00:25:41,982 --> 00:25:43,972 "Honey, we're going to try some of these exercises." 549 00:25:44,083 --> 00:25:45,141 And so we did. 550 00:25:48,488 --> 00:25:50,388 We made love, actually, for three days. 551 00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:54,016 We sort of, like, didn't get out of bed. 552 00:25:54,126 --> 00:25:56,651 It was the honeymoon, was what it was for me. 553 00:25:59,998 --> 00:26:01,396 I wanted us to have a good sex life. 554 00:26:01,499 --> 00:26:02,932 I wanted to be a good wife to Kirk, 555 00:26:03,034 --> 00:26:05,867 and I wanted to give him lots of babies in my tummy. 556 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:07,995 I didn't look at sex as a bad thing with him. 557 00:26:08,105 --> 00:26:10,629 I looked at it as a melting of two souls, 558 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:13,504 because when he kissed me, 559 00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:16,374 it was like we melted into one person. 560 00:26:16,479 --> 00:26:23,179 It was like I didn't know where I stopped and he began. 561 00:26:23,285 --> 00:26:24,718 We were lying there, holding hands, 562 00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:27,788 and his little missionary glasses were kind of askew. 563 00:26:27,889 --> 00:26:30,119 And he goes, "Guess we're married in God's eyes." 564 00:26:30,224 --> 00:26:31,691 I go, "Yup, we are." 565 00:26:31,793 --> 00:26:33,624 He says, "Guess we better make it official." 566 00:26:33,728 --> 00:26:36,127 He said, "Let's go into London, and let's get married." 567 00:26:39,099 --> 00:26:41,192 We took the rental car, and we went into town, 568 00:26:41,301 --> 00:26:44,599 to London, and we saw Trafalgar Square. 569 00:26:44,704 --> 00:26:46,569 They had, like, pigeons. We fed the pigeons. 570 00:26:46,672 --> 00:26:47,934 And so I said, "Oh, Kirk. 571 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,837 "We've got this cool cafe we want to take you to. 572 00:26:49,942 --> 00:26:52,375 It's called the Hard Rock Cafe." 573 00:26:52,477 --> 00:26:54,377 And there were cops running around everywhere. 574 00:26:54,479 --> 00:26:56,174 What do they call 'em, bobbies or whatever? 575 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:57,543 British cops. 576 00:26:57,649 --> 00:27:00,481 If Kirk felt kidnapped at any time, he could have said, 577 00:27:00,584 --> 00:27:03,519 "Hey, this little pint-sized girl here has me kidnapped. 578 00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:05,144 Can you please help me, 'occifer'?" 579 00:27:05,255 --> 00:27:07,223 But he didn't. 580 00:27:07,324 --> 00:27:09,314 Kirk says, "Well, I'm gonna go over across the street 581 00:27:09,425 --> 00:27:10,585 and get a newspaper." 582 00:27:10,693 --> 00:27:15,687 So he went over, by himself, got a newspaper, 583 00:27:15,798 --> 00:27:17,321 came back to the table, 584 00:27:17,432 --> 00:27:19,866 slammed that newspaper down on the table. 585 00:27:19,968 --> 00:27:21,629 He's white as a ghost. 586 00:27:21,737 --> 00:27:24,399 And we said, "What's wrong?" 587 00:27:29,176 --> 00:27:30,734 It was so shocking. 588 00:27:30,845 --> 00:27:33,370 It sounded like Scotland Yard was after us or something. 589 00:27:33,481 --> 00:27:35,971 And I'm sitting there with my "kidnap victim" 590 00:27:36,082 --> 00:27:38,141 eating a burger with a hundred people 591 00:27:38,251 --> 00:27:39,650 in a crowded tourist restaurant. 592 00:27:39,753 --> 00:27:41,186 Kirk says, "Well, maybe if I call 'em 593 00:27:41,287 --> 00:27:43,413 and let them know I'm alive and okay." 594 00:27:43,522 --> 00:27:45,285 He says, "Oh, they're gonna ask me about sex. 595 00:27:45,391 --> 00:27:47,586 "Oh, they're gonna ask me about sex. 596 00:27:47,693 --> 00:27:51,356 What am I gonna say? They're gonna ask me about sex." 597 00:27:51,462 --> 00:27:52,929 I says, "Can't you just tell them?" 598 00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:55,931 "Oh, no, I can't! Can't tell 'em we had sex! 599 00:27:56,033 --> 00:27:58,866 Oh, they'll excommunicate me. Oh, my mother will be so mad." 600 00:27:58,970 --> 00:28:01,631 We called his mother. We called my dad. 601 00:28:01,738 --> 00:28:03,831 We called from the phone booth at Trafalgar Square. 602 00:28:08,044 --> 00:28:09,840 Kirk said to my dad, "Mr. McKinney, 603 00:28:09,945 --> 00:28:11,776 I love your daughter, and I'm gonna marry her." 604 00:28:11,881 --> 00:28:13,781 And my dad said, "Welcome to the family, son." 605 00:28:15,117 --> 00:28:16,311 When we called his mother, 606 00:28:16,419 --> 00:28:18,249 I could hear her screeching across the Atlantic. 607 00:28:18,353 --> 00:28:20,082 "Oh, you've ruined your eternal progression! 608 00:28:20,188 --> 00:28:21,416 "Don't you know what you've done? 609 00:28:21,523 --> 00:28:22,888 "How could you get involved with that girl? 610 00:28:22,991 --> 00:28:24,356 You've not had sex with her, have you?" 611 00:28:25,726 --> 00:28:27,557 The mission president was, "Yadda, yadda, yadda. 612 00:28:27,661 --> 00:28:29,253 Oh, you've been kidnapped," and da, da, da. 613 00:28:29,363 --> 00:28:31,058 And Kirk could hardly get a word in edgewise. 614 00:28:31,165 --> 00:28:33,395 He'd say, "But I'm really okay, President Eyre." 615 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:35,398 "When the news media... 616 00:28:37,003 --> 00:28:38,368 Kirk hung up, and he goes, 617 00:28:38,471 --> 00:28:40,871 "You know, they've got Scotland Yard and the FBI. 618 00:28:40,973 --> 00:28:42,963 "How about if I just go back in, and you guys stay here, 619 00:28:43,074 --> 00:28:45,338 "so they can't do nothing like arrest you guys or anything, 620 00:28:45,444 --> 00:28:47,969 and I go back in and show 'em I'm okay." 621 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,809 And I'll never forget that day. It was a real Kodak moment. 622 00:28:51,916 --> 00:28:53,281 Victoria Station in those days 623 00:28:53,384 --> 00:28:54,874 had a beautiful old-fashioned train 624 00:28:54,985 --> 00:28:56,316 that pulled out with one of those... 625 00:29:00,757 --> 00:29:04,386 And the last thing I remember of Kirk Number 1 is, 626 00:29:04,494 --> 00:29:05,586 he got on the train, 627 00:29:05,695 --> 00:29:08,561 and he mouthed the words, "I love you." 628 00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:11,064 And I go, "I love you too, baby." 629 00:29:11,166 --> 00:29:16,502 - If Kirk went away with Joyce willingly... 630 00:29:16,605 --> 00:29:19,801 and had sex with her... 631 00:29:19,907 --> 00:29:25,902 the guilt that would come over him so strongly after the fact 632 00:29:26,012 --> 00:29:28,276 could be overwhelming. 633 00:29:30,383 --> 00:29:31,907 - K.J. and I turned and walked away, 634 00:29:32,018 --> 00:29:33,212 and he goes, "Don't worry. 635 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,184 "He'll be okay. He loves you. 636 00:29:35,287 --> 00:29:37,187 You got the man you love. What you worried about?" 637 00:29:37,289 --> 00:29:39,757 I says, "I don't know, K.J. Some nagging feeling. 638 00:29:39,859 --> 00:29:41,190 I'm worried." 639 00:29:41,293 --> 00:29:44,989 So we went back to the cottage, and we packed everything up. 640 00:29:45,096 --> 00:29:46,654 I remember I had my wedding dress, 641 00:29:46,764 --> 00:29:50,928 a pretty white dress I was gonna use for our wedding. 642 00:29:51,035 --> 00:29:52,399 Put flowers in my hair. 643 00:29:52,503 --> 00:29:57,702 Also, our wedding bands with our names engraved inside. 644 00:29:57,808 --> 00:29:59,469 It said, "Joyce and Kirk. 645 00:29:59,576 --> 00:30:04,740 He lift thee, and thee lift me, and we will ascend together." 646 00:30:06,482 --> 00:30:08,881 Even after we grew old and died, 647 00:30:08,984 --> 00:30:12,442 we would rise into the heavens together as man and wife. 648 00:30:23,297 --> 00:30:26,094 - This bizarre story began here last Wednesday. 649 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:28,292 Kirk Anderson, a young Mormon missionary 650 00:30:28,401 --> 00:30:31,234 was talking outside to a man with a Canadian accent. 651 00:30:31,337 --> 00:30:32,895 He then disappeared. 652 00:30:33,006 --> 00:30:34,495 But early today, he phoned police 653 00:30:34,606 --> 00:30:35,766 and told them he was kidnapped. 654 00:30:35,874 --> 00:30:37,569 A blanket had been placed over his head. 655 00:30:37,676 --> 00:30:39,166 He'd been driven to a house 656 00:30:39,278 --> 00:30:42,338 where he'd been blindfolded and his legs shackled. 657 00:30:45,716 --> 00:30:47,741 - When I got back to my apartment in Long Beach, 658 00:30:47,852 --> 00:30:49,251 the landlady called me in 659 00:30:49,353 --> 00:30:51,843 and said the Long Beach Homicide Department had been there, 660 00:30:51,955 --> 00:30:54,856 and they wanted me to come down to the police station. 661 00:30:54,958 --> 00:30:57,392 And that really freaked me out. 662 00:30:57,494 --> 00:30:59,257 Why the Homicide Department, I don't know. 663 00:31:00,529 --> 00:31:01,587 I told them everything. 664 00:31:01,697 --> 00:31:03,927 Then we went down, had a cup of coffee. 665 00:31:04,033 --> 00:31:06,297 Then they asked me to come back and tell 'em again, 666 00:31:06,402 --> 00:31:07,733 the same story. 667 00:31:07,836 --> 00:31:09,962 They had tape recorded the first time I said it, 668 00:31:10,071 --> 00:31:11,299 and they wanted to make sure 669 00:31:11,406 --> 00:31:13,135 that when I told it a second time, 670 00:31:13,241 --> 00:31:15,732 it was exactly the same story, which it was. 671 00:31:15,843 --> 00:31:17,605 I told 'em the truth. 672 00:31:17,711 --> 00:31:20,043 They got kind of a big kick out of it, 673 00:31:20,147 --> 00:31:22,138 considering they hadn't found him yet, 674 00:31:22,249 --> 00:31:23,307 about the whole story. 675 00:31:23,417 --> 00:31:24,748 - The Manacled Mormon. 676 00:31:24,851 --> 00:31:26,818 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it boiled down to. 677 00:31:28,588 --> 00:31:31,182 - I was a Mormon missionary in Exeter, okay? 678 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:32,382 This is in Devon. 679 00:31:32,491 --> 00:31:36,688 And I was at a church member's house, 680 00:31:36,795 --> 00:31:38,126 and they were a younger couple. 681 00:31:38,229 --> 00:31:41,995 And they sort of sat down and told us the whole story 682 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,499 of Joyce McKinney and the Manacled Mormon. 683 00:31:44,602 --> 00:31:48,197 It reminds me of those cultures 684 00:31:48,305 --> 00:31:51,171 that have stories of the vagina dentata, 685 00:31:51,274 --> 00:31:54,505 the women with the toothed vagina. 686 00:31:54,611 --> 00:31:58,172 They become cautionary tales about sexual impropriety, 687 00:31:58,281 --> 00:32:03,013 the dangerous powers of women, 688 00:32:03,118 --> 00:32:07,350 women that can seduce a young missionary 689 00:32:07,456 --> 00:32:09,582 who are on God's errand. 690 00:32:10,591 --> 00:32:11,717 Young men, once they receive 691 00:32:11,826 --> 00:32:13,555 what's called the Melchizedek priesthood, 692 00:32:13,661 --> 00:32:15,891 they are endowed with power from on high. 693 00:32:15,997 --> 00:32:18,692 They go through... we go through... I went through 694 00:32:18,798 --> 00:32:22,700 an elaborate "endowment" through the Mormon Temples 695 00:32:22,802 --> 00:32:25,929 where we received sacred underwear 696 00:32:26,038 --> 00:32:29,735 and sacred knowledge of keys to heaven. 697 00:32:29,842 --> 00:32:31,969 You reenact the Garden of Eden scenario, 698 00:32:32,077 --> 00:32:34,408 and there's an actor that performs Lucifer. 699 00:32:34,512 --> 00:32:37,504 And he says in a menacing tone, 700 00:32:37,615 --> 00:32:39,810 "Those of you who don't live up 701 00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:41,817 "to the covenants that you make 702 00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:44,546 "on the altar of the temple this day 703 00:32:44,655 --> 00:32:47,123 will be in my power." 704 00:32:49,126 --> 00:32:53,084 And one of the covenants that you make is the law of chastity, 705 00:32:53,195 --> 00:32:55,129 that you will only have sexual relationships 706 00:32:55,231 --> 00:33:00,668 with he or she to whom you are legally and lawfully wedded. 707 00:33:08,876 --> 00:33:12,175 - "Manacled Mormon Sex Slave" wrecks that, doesn't it? 708 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:13,541 - Completely wrecks that. 709 00:33:13,647 --> 00:33:18,982 If Kirk Anderson was a willing Manacled Mormon, 710 00:33:19,085 --> 00:33:24,523 he will have violated his temple covenants, 711 00:33:24,624 --> 00:33:28,286 violated the law of chastity. 712 00:33:28,393 --> 00:33:31,226 What he risks is excommunication from the church, 713 00:33:31,329 --> 00:33:34,058 and greater than that, 714 00:33:34,165 --> 00:33:39,364 unless he repents, he won't be able to, ultimately, 715 00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:43,428 become a god and have his own planet. 716 00:33:44,908 --> 00:33:46,341 That is Mormon theology. 717 00:33:46,443 --> 00:33:48,138 That's what they're working towards. 718 00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:56,913 - I got this weird phone call. I had an answering service. 719 00:33:57,019 --> 00:33:58,680 It said, "It's been really crazy here, 720 00:33:58,787 --> 00:34:01,186 "but I finally got 'em off my back. 721 00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:02,950 "I still love you. 722 00:34:03,057 --> 00:34:04,422 "Call me. Urgent. 723 00:34:04,525 --> 00:34:07,426 Epsom 25724. Urgent." 724 00:34:10,130 --> 00:34:13,759 So I called the number, and some Mormon answered. 725 00:34:13,867 --> 00:34:15,767 "Who is this? What do ya want?" 726 00:34:15,869 --> 00:34:17,768 Very suspicious voice. 727 00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:20,202 And I said, "I want to talk to Kirk... 728 00:34:20,306 --> 00:34:21,796 I mean Elder Anderson." 729 00:34:21,907 --> 00:34:26,309 So I said, "This is Sister... Helmsley calling 730 00:34:26,411 --> 00:34:30,108 regarding the baptism for my daughter Millie." 731 00:34:30,215 --> 00:34:35,049 Millie was my sheepdog, and I knew Kirk would know that. 732 00:34:35,152 --> 00:34:36,915 And I said, "Honey, where do you want to meet?" 733 00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:38,317 He says, "About 2:00." 734 00:34:38,422 --> 00:34:40,447 I said, "Don't say where it is over the phone." 735 00:34:40,557 --> 00:34:41,581 He goes, "Okay." 736 00:34:41,692 --> 00:34:43,215 I was worried about an extension phone. 737 00:34:43,326 --> 00:34:45,726 It went further than that. It was a phone tap. 738 00:34:50,133 --> 00:34:53,568 On my way to meet him, I remember me and K.J. 739 00:34:53,668 --> 00:34:55,135 were going along the motorway, 740 00:34:55,237 --> 00:34:58,604 and I'm singing, "I'm getting married in the morning!" 741 00:34:58,707 --> 00:35:00,503 And I'm so happy. I'm so... 742 00:35:00,608 --> 00:35:02,769 I was just like a young bride on her honeymoon. 743 00:35:02,877 --> 00:35:04,845 I was just so full of so much love for him. 744 00:35:06,514 --> 00:35:08,447 These cop cars ran us off the road. 745 00:35:08,548 --> 00:35:10,675 They just literally edged us off the road. 746 00:35:10,784 --> 00:35:13,412 And then when they threw us up against the police car and said, 747 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,681 "You're under arrest for false imprisonment 748 00:35:15,789 --> 00:35:17,380 and carrying away Kirk Anderson," 749 00:35:17,489 --> 00:35:18,615 I couldn't believe it. 750 00:35:18,724 --> 00:35:19,918 It was just, like, shock. 751 00:35:26,764 --> 00:35:30,598 - The law was required to take seriously an act 752 00:35:30,701 --> 00:35:34,136 involving a woman with a gun, pointing it at a priest. 753 00:35:34,237 --> 00:35:37,035 Forcing him... although this was a sort of fantasy... 754 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:38,903 forcing him into a car 755 00:35:39,009 --> 00:35:41,569 and spread-eagling him to a bed and having sex with him. 756 00:35:41,678 --> 00:35:44,669 I mean, there are so many crimes, possible crimes, 757 00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:46,441 involved in all of that, 758 00:35:46,549 --> 00:35:49,040 and yet someone... everyone suspected 759 00:35:49,151 --> 00:35:51,141 there wasn't really a crime here at all. 760 00:35:51,252 --> 00:35:54,153 - Scenario number one is Kirk's story: 761 00:35:54,255 --> 00:35:58,089 fake gun, chloroform, kidnapped, tied up, forced to have sex. 762 00:35:58,193 --> 00:36:00,854 The second version is Joyce's story. 763 00:36:00,961 --> 00:36:03,225 They were gonna be married. They were gonna have children. 764 00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:05,662 He needed to escape from the Mormon Church. 765 00:36:05,766 --> 00:36:07,824 She goes to rescue him. 766 00:36:07,934 --> 00:36:09,663 They rush away 767 00:36:09,769 --> 00:36:12,294 and have this magical, wonderful night... 768 00:36:12,405 --> 00:36:13,497 weekend together. 769 00:36:13,606 --> 00:36:14,868 And then they get him. 770 00:36:14,974 --> 00:36:16,998 They brainwash him, and all of a sudden, 771 00:36:17,108 --> 00:36:19,042 he's claiming rape. 772 00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:23,410 The third scenario is something in between. 773 00:36:23,515 --> 00:36:27,780 There was a consensual aspect to his getaway with her. 774 00:36:27,885 --> 00:36:30,877 But then somewhere along the line, 775 00:36:30,988 --> 00:36:33,956 he had second thoughts. 776 00:36:34,057 --> 00:36:38,016 And he wanted it to stop, and it didn't. 777 00:36:38,127 --> 00:36:39,651 - Do you think a woman can rape a man? 778 00:36:39,762 --> 00:36:41,389 - No, I think that's like putting 779 00:36:41,497 --> 00:36:43,054 a marshmallow in a parking meter. 780 00:36:43,165 --> 00:36:45,292 I don't... a guy either wants to have sex, or he doesn't. 781 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,833 He has an erection, or he doesn't. 782 00:36:49,438 --> 00:36:52,895 - She spent about three months in Holloway Prison, 783 00:36:53,007 --> 00:36:56,773 the famous women's prison in London. 784 00:36:56,878 --> 00:36:59,641 - There was a little sliding door 785 00:36:59,746 --> 00:37:02,579 that they would slide open with just a little slit of light. 786 00:37:02,682 --> 00:37:05,276 And they would slide it open maybe once a day and say, 787 00:37:05,385 --> 00:37:06,818 "Are you ready to sign a confession?" 788 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,887 I kept screaming, "Please get Kirk! 789 00:37:08,988 --> 00:37:10,319 Please get Kirk!" 790 00:37:10,422 --> 00:37:13,152 I beat my fists bloody on this cold, steel prison door 791 00:37:13,259 --> 00:37:17,490 screaming, "Please, somebody get Kirk!" 792 00:37:17,595 --> 00:37:22,862 - There was a picture of her in all the papers 793 00:37:22,967 --> 00:37:25,696 looking out of the back of a police van. 794 00:37:31,275 --> 00:37:33,367 She had scrawled on a piece of paper, 795 00:37:33,476 --> 00:37:36,741 which she was holding up to press, 796 00:37:36,846 --> 00:37:40,509 "Kirk was cooperative all along." 797 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,152 - When I went to the prison library, 798 00:37:46,254 --> 00:37:48,586 I got a Bible, and in the back of the Bible, 799 00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:51,249 there was two white pages of blank paper, 800 00:37:51,358 --> 00:37:54,521 almost like God put it there. 801 00:37:54,628 --> 00:37:57,688 I wrote two letters on those two blank pages out of my Bible: 802 00:37:57,798 --> 00:38:00,732 one to my parents, and one to the press. 803 00:38:00,833 --> 00:38:02,027 I put them up inside... 804 00:38:02,135 --> 00:38:03,295 I hate to sound gross, 805 00:38:03,403 --> 00:38:07,134 but I put one in my vagina and one in my rectum. 806 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:09,207 I got out in the prison van, in the Black Mama, 807 00:38:09,308 --> 00:38:10,536 and I pushed 'em out. 808 00:38:10,642 --> 00:38:13,167 I grunted them out, and I popped them out the window. 809 00:38:13,278 --> 00:38:15,212 And this man saw them, and I go, 810 00:38:15,314 --> 00:38:16,507 " Pick it up. 811 00:38:16,614 --> 00:38:18,343 Pick it up." 812 00:38:18,449 --> 00:38:19,939 And he goes like... "Pick it up. 813 00:38:20,051 --> 00:38:21,814 Mail it. Mail it." 814 00:38:21,919 --> 00:38:23,409 You know, I was trying to motion to him, 815 00:38:23,521 --> 00:38:25,647 'cause I knew he couldn't hear me inside the prison van, 816 00:38:25,755 --> 00:38:27,347 to mail it at the post office. 817 00:38:27,457 --> 00:38:28,947 And he goes... 818 00:38:29,059 --> 00:38:31,186 "Please, please, please mail it." 819 00:38:31,294 --> 00:38:35,024 And so he mailed it, 820 00:38:35,130 --> 00:38:37,428 and of course, the next time I go back for my bail hearing, 821 00:38:37,533 --> 00:38:38,864 the whole planet was there. 822 00:38:59,785 --> 00:39:01,116 I asked my lawyer. 823 00:39:01,220 --> 00:39:03,120 I said, "Look, if you can't talk, would you let me? 824 00:39:03,222 --> 00:39:04,484 "'Cause I can sure talk. 825 00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:06,114 Let me tell people what happened." 826 00:39:06,225 --> 00:39:08,021 So I got up there, and I had 'em laughing. 827 00:39:08,126 --> 00:39:09,491 I had 'em crying. 828 00:39:09,594 --> 00:39:12,893 I had 'em throwing spitballs at the Mormons, you know? 829 00:39:12,998 --> 00:39:15,466 Thank God for all those years of drama school. 830 00:39:15,567 --> 00:39:17,397 Thank you! 831 00:39:17,501 --> 00:39:20,959 - Everyone was just mesmerized by her performance. 832 00:39:21,071 --> 00:39:24,234 I mean, there was no sense of fear or shame or anything. 833 00:39:24,341 --> 00:39:27,400 She just took on the court with great confidence, 834 00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:29,444 and she said, "I loved him so much, 835 00:39:29,545 --> 00:39:32,378 "I would have skied down Mount Everest nude 836 00:39:32,482 --> 00:39:35,541 with a carnation up my nose for the love of that man." 837 00:39:45,893 --> 00:39:47,190 - There was standing room only. 838 00:39:47,294 --> 00:39:49,489 There were little old ladies with their shopping carts 839 00:39:49,597 --> 00:39:51,291 ogling for places to stand! 840 00:39:51,398 --> 00:39:52,422 The banners outside... 841 00:39:52,532 --> 00:39:54,193 "Free Joyce! Free Joyce!" 842 00:39:55,835 --> 00:39:58,599 - These judges with their white wigs sitting there, you know, 843 00:39:58,704 --> 00:40:01,264 unable to comprehend any of this. 844 00:40:01,373 --> 00:40:03,307 And there was nothing in the statute books 845 00:40:03,409 --> 00:40:04,671 which would deal with it. 846 00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:07,210 - They're so prim and proper, you know. 847 00:40:07,311 --> 00:40:09,506 They wear these little powdered wigs, 848 00:40:09,614 --> 00:40:11,275 which look like dumb little hats, 849 00:40:11,382 --> 00:40:14,977 and they sit up and down and wiggle on their heads. 850 00:40:15,086 --> 00:40:16,609 One of the questions they ask him was, 851 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:17,812 "Did you ask for a back rub?" 852 00:40:17,921 --> 00:40:19,013 And he said, "Yes." 853 00:40:19,122 --> 00:40:20,521 And they said, "Was it cinnamon oil 854 00:40:20,624 --> 00:40:21,750 that she rubbed on your back?" 855 00:40:21,858 --> 00:40:23,052 And he goes, "Yes," 856 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,127 like he had remembered, "Well, that was nice." 857 00:40:25,227 --> 00:40:27,422 They ask him, "Were you willing or unwilling?" 858 00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:30,260 And he did that like really fast and looked at the head Mormon 859 00:40:30,366 --> 00:40:31,390 right on the front row. 860 00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:32,864 He jerked his head really fast like, 861 00:40:32,967 --> 00:40:34,332 "What am I supposed to say?" 862 00:40:34,436 --> 00:40:36,097 And the head Mormon went like, 863 00:40:36,204 --> 00:40:38,263 "You say what we told you to say," like that. 864 00:40:38,373 --> 00:40:39,931 And he goes, "I was unwilling! 865 00:40:40,041 --> 00:40:41,598 I was unwilling." 866 00:40:41,708 --> 00:40:43,608 "Were you unwilling all seven times?" 867 00:40:43,710 --> 00:40:45,439 "Well, I wasn't as unwilling 868 00:40:45,546 --> 00:40:48,344 the third time as I was the first." 869 00:40:48,449 --> 00:40:50,678 I wanted him to be strong and say, "Yes, I love her, 870 00:40:50,783 --> 00:40:52,341 "and I'm gonna tell the truth right now, 871 00:40:52,452 --> 00:40:53,714 and let's get rid of this." 872 00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:56,152 But he was so scared. 873 00:40:56,255 --> 00:40:59,917 You know, you can tell a lie long enough till you believe it. 874 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:05,587 - For 55 minutes, Ms. McKinney poured out her statement 875 00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:07,994 to an occasionally confused magistrate. 876 00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:10,329 At one point, he stopped her and said, "I'm lost." 877 00:41:10,434 --> 00:41:13,062 And Ms. McKinney, speaking in a North Carolina drawl, 878 00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:14,831 put the whole case in this way: 879 00:41:14,939 --> 00:41:17,930 referring to the young Mormon, Kirk Anderson, she said, 880 00:41:18,041 --> 00:41:20,771 "He put me in prison to save himself 881 00:41:20,877 --> 00:41:23,402 from excommunication and family disgrace." 882 00:41:23,513 --> 00:41:26,310 This was a phony kidnap according to Ms. McKinney. 883 00:41:26,415 --> 00:41:29,543 Referring to the episode down in the Devon cottage, she said, 884 00:41:29,651 --> 00:41:32,643 "We had three days of fun, food, and sex." 885 00:41:36,457 --> 00:41:39,949 - By this time, the British Isles was on fire 886 00:41:40,061 --> 00:41:41,789 with the Joyce McKinney story. 887 00:41:41,895 --> 00:41:43,624 That was all that was being talked about 888 00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:46,324 in the pubs and taverns and restaurants. 889 00:41:46,433 --> 00:41:49,334 "Where were you when you read the Joyce McKinney story?" 890 00:41:49,436 --> 00:41:50,732 You know. 891 00:41:50,836 --> 00:41:54,033 I mean, it had kinky sex. It had religion. 892 00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:57,041 It had a beauty queen, kidnap at gunpoint, 893 00:41:57,143 --> 00:41:59,667 chains, being spread-eagled. 894 00:41:59,777 --> 00:42:01,039 It had Mormon missionaries. 895 00:42:01,146 --> 00:42:03,080 And there was something in that story for everyone. 896 00:42:03,181 --> 00:42:05,274 It was a perfect tabloid story. 897 00:42:05,383 --> 00:42:06,680 - I mean, I could never understand 898 00:42:06,784 --> 00:42:09,013 the public's fascination with my love life. 899 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:10,245 I'm not a movie star. 900 00:42:10,354 --> 00:42:12,379 I'm just a person, a human being, 901 00:42:12,489 --> 00:42:15,514 that was caught in an extraordinary circumstance. 902 00:42:20,229 --> 00:42:22,220 - The Daily Express and the Mirror were locked 903 00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:27,063 in almost deadly combat over the Joyce McKinney story. 904 00:42:27,169 --> 00:42:30,002 And then it all kind of went away 905 00:42:30,105 --> 00:42:33,505 until she was released on bail. 906 00:42:35,276 --> 00:42:38,268 And then there was a kind of burst of stuff again. 907 00:42:42,615 --> 00:42:45,175 - I was let out on bail to await the upcoming trial 908 00:42:45,285 --> 00:42:47,480 to clear my name. 909 00:42:47,587 --> 00:42:49,918 Somebody sent a limousine to pick me up at the prison, 910 00:42:50,022 --> 00:42:51,387 and here I exit the prison, 911 00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:53,458 and I mean, I've got lice powder in my hair. 912 00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:55,220 I'm supposed to be this ex-beauty queen, 913 00:42:55,327 --> 00:42:57,727 and all the cameras are there, and, you know, I look like... 914 00:42:58,863 --> 00:43:00,353 That was my first taste of the press. 915 00:43:00,464 --> 00:43:02,261 And when I got back to the bed-and-breakfast, 916 00:43:02,366 --> 00:43:05,563 I started to very quietly get out of the limousine. 917 00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:08,194 I'm thinking, "I wonder who sent this car, you know, 918 00:43:08,305 --> 00:43:09,829 at the prison to pick me up?" 919 00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:12,067 And I was going to go in and hug my mom and dad and say, 920 00:43:12,175 --> 00:43:13,369 "I'm home!" 921 00:43:13,476 --> 00:43:16,410 All of a sudden, the sky lit up with flashbulbs. 922 00:43:16,512 --> 00:43:18,412 Suddenly night became day. 923 00:43:18,514 --> 00:43:21,972 I was suddenly a celebrity. 924 00:43:22,084 --> 00:43:23,210 I didn't ask to be a celebrity. 925 00:43:23,319 --> 00:43:25,286 I didn't want to be a celebrity. 926 00:43:25,386 --> 00:43:26,648 But it was like a wave. 927 00:43:26,754 --> 00:43:28,915 It was like a "phenomen-imum." 928 00:43:30,725 --> 00:43:33,284 - So what have these last few months been like for you? 929 00:43:33,393 --> 00:43:37,090 - Well, I've been very busy. 930 00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:39,222 It's been amazing, the way the public 931 00:43:39,333 --> 00:43:40,891 has responded to my case. 932 00:43:41,001 --> 00:43:45,664 I got close to 1,000 letters from the British public. 933 00:43:45,771 --> 00:43:47,830 The rest of the time that I'm not answering letters 934 00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:49,066 or something of this nature, 935 00:43:49,175 --> 00:43:50,232 I'm working on my book. 936 00:43:50,342 --> 00:43:52,207 - What kind of a book is that? 937 00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:53,868 - Well, this is my life story, 938 00:43:53,979 --> 00:43:57,176 and it's the story of how I met Kirk, 939 00:43:57,282 --> 00:43:59,772 and the name of it is A Very Special Love Story. 940 00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:09,281 I had said something like I loved Kirk so much, 941 00:44:09,392 --> 00:44:11,257 I'd have skied naked down Mount Everest 942 00:44:11,361 --> 00:44:12,692 with a carnation in my nose. 943 00:44:12,795 --> 00:44:14,490 When I went into the bed-and-breakfast, 944 00:44:14,597 --> 00:44:18,327 there were pink carnations all over the room! 945 00:44:18,433 --> 00:44:21,231 There were pink carnations in the closet, in the sink, 946 00:44:21,336 --> 00:44:22,963 on the floor, on the bed. 947 00:44:23,071 --> 00:44:25,766 Sacks of mail from all over the world. 948 00:44:25,873 --> 00:44:28,603 People wanted me to autograph their baby's bellies, 949 00:44:28,709 --> 00:44:30,939 their elbows, their cigarette packs! 950 00:44:31,045 --> 00:44:32,443 I got marriage proposals. 951 00:44:32,545 --> 00:44:35,673 I got maps with directions to guys' houses saying, 952 00:44:35,782 --> 00:44:37,841 "Please come and kidnap and rape me anytime, honey!" 953 00:44:37,951 --> 00:44:40,181 It kind of got a life of its own. 954 00:44:56,668 --> 00:44:57,930 I remember, I was at a party. 955 00:44:58,036 --> 00:45:00,503 It was an after-party for Saturday Night Fever, 956 00:45:00,604 --> 00:45:02,469 and Johnny Travolta was there. 957 00:45:02,572 --> 00:45:04,802 And the Bee Gees came over and asked me to dance, 958 00:45:04,908 --> 00:45:06,205 and, you know... 959 00:45:06,310 --> 00:45:08,709 Keith Moon... he was the drummer for The Who... spied me, 960 00:45:08,811 --> 00:45:10,039 and he told one of the reporters, 961 00:45:10,146 --> 00:45:11,170 "I want to meet the girl." 962 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,474 He was with his girlfriend. 963 00:45:12,581 --> 00:45:14,310 I mean, there was nothing between me and Keith, 964 00:45:14,417 --> 00:45:15,610 but he came over, and he says, 965 00:45:15,717 --> 00:45:17,548 "Joycie girl, I'm gonna give you a big old smooch." 966 00:45:17,652 --> 00:45:18,641 And he just kissed me! 967 00:45:18,753 --> 00:45:20,345 And that was just getting started. 968 00:45:20,455 --> 00:45:24,413 - Peter McKay, my editor, said to me, 969 00:45:24,525 --> 00:45:27,983 "Why don't you hire a Rolls-Royce 970 00:45:28,095 --> 00:45:32,690 "and take Joyce to the premiere of The Stud 971 00:45:32,799 --> 00:45:35,996 and upstage the show business element?" 972 00:45:36,102 --> 00:45:38,070 - Was there a chance that you could actually do this? 973 00:45:38,171 --> 00:45:40,139 Could you upstage Joan Collins with Joyce McKinney? 974 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,296 - Well, we did. 975 00:45:41,406 --> 00:45:43,169 She stepped out of this Rolls-Royce, 976 00:45:43,275 --> 00:45:44,833 and all the press went mad. 977 00:45:44,943 --> 00:45:47,935 I mean, it was as if... I don't know... 978 00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:50,513 Marilyn Monroe got out or the queen. 979 00:45:50,614 --> 00:45:52,013 I mean, certainly more excitement 980 00:45:52,116 --> 00:45:54,346 than when Joan Collins got out of her limousine. 981 00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:03,859 She returned home at midnight like Cinderella. 982 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,918 Presumably, Keith May had been packing their bags, 983 00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:10,521 because they disappeared a day later. 984 00:46:10,632 --> 00:46:11,963 - The police had opposed bail, 985 00:46:12,067 --> 00:46:14,001 believing that the couple would leave the country 986 00:46:14,103 --> 00:46:15,660 if it were granted. 987 00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:18,034 Since their disappearance was discovered on Thursday, 988 00:46:18,139 --> 00:46:21,074 the police have kept a watch on all air and seaports, 989 00:46:21,175 --> 00:46:24,803 but they were last seen by neighbors on Wednesday evening. 990 00:46:29,249 --> 00:46:31,080 - I never fled. Don't use the word "fled." 991 00:46:31,184 --> 00:46:33,083 I resent the word "fled." I left. 992 00:46:33,185 --> 00:46:36,677 - They went to the airport as deaf-mutes, I gather. 993 00:46:38,424 --> 00:46:40,016 Quite clever, really. 994 00:46:44,996 --> 00:46:49,057 - I went, and I got the birth certificates of two dead people. 995 00:46:49,167 --> 00:46:50,531 I didn't figure they'd mind. 996 00:46:50,634 --> 00:46:52,033 And I got me a travel visa. 997 00:46:52,136 --> 00:46:54,366 I put on a granny wig, and I made me a fat suit. 998 00:46:54,471 --> 00:46:56,132 You know what a fat suit is, like in Norbit. 999 00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:00,141 I said, "Keith, we're going home." 1000 00:47:00,243 --> 00:47:02,108 So I dye his hair coal black, 1001 00:47:02,211 --> 00:47:04,736 and I made him a little handlebar moustache 1002 00:47:04,847 --> 00:47:07,076 and darkened his skin, like Pedro Gonzalez. 1003 00:47:07,182 --> 00:47:10,310 And I found out there was a troop of deaf actors 1004 00:47:10,419 --> 00:47:12,580 going to the States via Canada. 1005 00:47:12,687 --> 00:47:13,847 Well, let me tell ya, 1006 00:47:13,955 --> 00:47:16,184 I put some little signs on us, and it said, 1007 00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:19,487 "I am deaf, but I can lip-read. 1008 00:47:19,593 --> 00:47:22,858 Please enunciate your words slowly and speak clearly." 1009 00:47:22,963 --> 00:47:24,122 I remember the stewardess said, 1010 00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:25,458 "Get these dummies on the plane!" 1011 00:47:25,565 --> 00:47:27,260 The other one said, "Shh, They'll hear you!" 1012 00:47:27,367 --> 00:47:29,301 And she goes, "No, they won't! They're stone deaf!" 1013 00:47:34,706 --> 00:47:37,140 We got to Canada, and it's at night, 1014 00:47:37,242 --> 00:47:38,402 and they stop us in immigration. 1015 00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:40,841 I had 13 suitcases full of news clips. 1016 00:47:42,847 --> 00:47:45,338 In those suitcases are hundreds of pictures of me, 1017 00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:49,113 magazine covers and all this stuff. 1018 00:47:49,219 --> 00:47:51,187 They're gonna look at me and say, "Oh, oh, oh, oh!" 1019 00:47:52,289 --> 00:47:54,723 They go, "13 suitcases? You immigrating?" 1020 00:47:54,825 --> 00:47:57,316 And I go... 1021 00:47:57,427 --> 00:48:01,294 And she goes, "Oh, you're deaf! Okay! 1022 00:48:01,397 --> 00:48:04,389 We cannot get our interpreter at night!" 1023 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:05,990 And she's talking louder and louder. 1024 00:48:06,101 --> 00:48:09,365 She gives me a pencil, and I write down: "I tired. 1025 00:48:09,471 --> 00:48:10,836 May I go now, please?" 1026 00:48:10,939 --> 00:48:13,430 Lady goes, "Eh, go on." 1027 00:48:14,576 --> 00:48:18,807 - Ten days later, I was in my office 1028 00:48:18,912 --> 00:48:20,277 in the Daily Express building. 1029 00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:24,372 The telephone rang one evening about 6:00. 1030 00:48:26,152 --> 00:48:28,712 And I picked it up, and it was Joyce. 1031 00:48:28,821 --> 00:48:32,551 She said that she wanted to sell her story to the Daily Express 1032 00:48:32,657 --> 00:48:36,457 for £40,000. 1033 00:48:36,561 --> 00:48:39,826 We arranged there and then for me to fly out to Atlanta 1034 00:48:39,931 --> 00:48:44,526 and wait in the Atlanta airport Hilton hotel. 1035 00:48:44,635 --> 00:48:45,693 I went to the door, 1036 00:48:45,803 --> 00:48:48,636 and there outside were these two Indians... 1037 00:48:48,739 --> 00:48:50,330 like Indians from Calcutta. 1038 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,003 They should have been arrested for bad acting 1039 00:48:56,112 --> 00:48:59,877 far more than abducting Mormon priests. 1040 00:49:01,817 --> 00:49:05,082 She was having, really, the time of her life. 1041 00:49:05,187 --> 00:49:08,622 There was no sense of anxiety. She was just enjoying it. 1042 00:49:08,723 --> 00:49:11,157 And giving us all this nonsense, 1043 00:49:11,259 --> 00:49:14,660 which was a totally sanitized version of the truth. 1044 00:49:14,761 --> 00:49:16,456 And we were falling for it, of course, 1045 00:49:16,563 --> 00:49:19,464 getting it all onto these little tape recorders, and thinking, 1046 00:49:19,566 --> 00:49:22,433 "God, hasn't the Express got a great story here!" 1047 00:49:25,437 --> 00:49:26,836 Joyce brought in this suitcase, 1048 00:49:26,939 --> 00:49:29,669 took about three of us to get it in the room. 1049 00:49:29,775 --> 00:49:31,935 I daresay she just put her finger on the button. 1050 00:49:32,043 --> 00:49:33,203 The thing exploded. 1051 00:49:33,311 --> 00:49:37,179 And these disguises and wigs and... 1052 00:49:37,282 --> 00:49:39,079 not bondage gear, I hasten to add. 1053 00:49:39,183 --> 00:49:41,150 At least, I didn't see any. 1054 00:49:41,251 --> 00:49:42,843 I expected the FBI 1055 00:49:42,953 --> 00:49:46,013 to come crashing in through the windows at any minute, 1056 00:49:46,123 --> 00:49:47,784 'cause as far as I knew, I mean, 1057 00:49:47,891 --> 00:49:51,326 we were aiding and abetting fugitives. 1058 00:49:51,427 --> 00:49:55,193 It wasn't clear, really, 1059 00:49:55,298 --> 00:50:01,327 what Keith May's motive was except that he adored Joyce. 1060 00:50:01,436 --> 00:50:05,372 And Joyce kind of did, from time to time, 1061 00:50:05,473 --> 00:50:06,632 treat him as if he was 1062 00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:10,437 in some kind of mistress-slave fantasy. 1063 00:50:10,544 --> 00:50:13,308 Like, "Down, slave," she would say to him. 1064 00:50:13,414 --> 00:50:16,678 "Down, slave! Down, slave!" 1065 00:50:16,783 --> 00:50:19,274 But she would say it humorously, joking. 1066 00:50:19,385 --> 00:50:21,785 But it did occur to us at the time 1067 00:50:21,888 --> 00:50:24,481 that this is all the language of the world of bondage. 1068 00:50:24,590 --> 00:50:27,855 I speak as if I'm an expert, but I mean... 1069 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,427 - I assume that you are. 1070 00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:35,229 But it's all this kind of master-mistress power thing, 1071 00:50:35,333 --> 00:50:38,962 domination thing that seems to run through this whole story. 1072 00:50:39,070 --> 00:50:40,263 It seems to be a theme. 1073 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:43,828 - Keith had probably an obsession for Joyce 1074 00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:46,500 just like Joyce had an obsession for Kirk. 1075 00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:48,601 The fact that he was just able to be around her 1076 00:50:48,712 --> 00:50:50,110 and helping her where he could 1077 00:50:50,212 --> 00:50:52,840 satisfied his emotions. 1078 00:51:02,490 --> 00:51:06,084 - There are tabloids in England that are filth. 1079 00:51:06,193 --> 00:51:09,162 At the top of the list would be the Daily Mirror. 1080 00:51:09,262 --> 00:51:12,993 - The Daily Mirror had... meantime... 1081 00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:14,589 had their reporters in Los Angeles 1082 00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:19,262 digging up all this stuff about her activities as a... 1083 00:51:19,372 --> 00:51:22,364 I don't know... not a call girl, but as a... 1084 00:51:22,475 --> 00:51:23,634 well, I suppose she was. 1085 00:51:23,742 --> 00:51:27,542 I mean, she was being paid for sexual services. 1086 00:51:27,646 --> 00:51:32,446 But this was all long before her escapades in the U.K. 1087 00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:35,882 This was earlier Joyce McKinney history. 1088 00:51:35,986 --> 00:51:37,180 - They had a tip. 1089 00:51:37,287 --> 00:51:39,255 I think it was from a police officer in London 1090 00:51:39,356 --> 00:51:42,222 to one of our London reporters that was covering the story, 1091 00:51:42,325 --> 00:51:45,351 who said that it might be worth looking up an address 1092 00:51:45,461 --> 00:51:47,861 that we know she had in Los Angeles 1093 00:51:47,964 --> 00:51:52,093 and a boyfriend called Steve Moskowitz. 1094 00:51:55,804 --> 00:51:58,271 Joyce had been in touch with him from England saying, 1095 00:51:58,372 --> 00:51:59,839 "Destroy any pictures. 1096 00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:03,432 If any journalists turn up, do not talk to anybody." 1097 00:52:03,544 --> 00:52:05,671 Steve was very uncooperative when I first met him. 1098 00:52:05,779 --> 00:52:08,213 Once he told me that he was still madly in love with her, 1099 00:52:08,314 --> 00:52:11,215 I said, "Look, Steve, if you want to be at her side 1100 00:52:11,317 --> 00:52:12,716 "for the trial at the Old Bailey, 1101 00:52:12,819 --> 00:52:15,218 "we will pay a first-class air ticket for you 1102 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,948 and put you up in a hotel in London so you can be with her." 1103 00:52:18,057 --> 00:52:19,149 The next morning, 1104 00:52:19,258 --> 00:52:21,624 I'm in the hotel at Santa Monica. 1105 00:52:21,727 --> 00:52:24,126 8:00, Monday morning, the phone goes. 1106 00:52:24,228 --> 00:52:25,388 Steve. 1107 00:52:25,496 --> 00:52:27,293 "I'm downstairs." 1108 00:52:27,398 --> 00:52:30,458 He produced six strips of black-and-white contacts. 1109 00:52:30,568 --> 00:52:32,967 There was nothing really that bad on them. 1110 00:52:33,070 --> 00:52:34,970 She was sitting on a horse. 1111 00:52:35,072 --> 00:52:37,097 They were glamour pictures, as such. 1112 00:52:39,643 --> 00:52:40,768 I said, "Well, look, Steve, 1113 00:52:40,876 --> 00:52:42,867 "this doesn't take us very much further, 1114 00:52:42,978 --> 00:52:45,071 "but I will hang on to them. 1115 00:52:45,181 --> 00:52:46,944 We need more." 1116 00:52:47,049 --> 00:52:49,243 I said, "By the way, the editor in London 1117 00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:50,817 wants me to take a picture of you." 1118 00:52:51,486 --> 00:52:54,011 He said, "Can you make it look as if I've not posed for it?" 1119 00:52:54,122 --> 00:52:56,181 I said, "What do you mean?" 1120 00:52:56,291 --> 00:52:58,520 He said, "Well, I've got Joyce's car here, 1121 00:52:58,625 --> 00:52:59,751 "and I've got Millie. 1122 00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:01,987 "I often take the dog out, put him in the car, 1123 00:53:02,096 --> 00:53:04,064 take the dog away for a walk." 1124 00:53:08,468 --> 00:53:12,336 He didn't want Joyce to know he was cooperating. 1125 00:53:12,438 --> 00:53:15,600 - So he's betraying her. He knows he's betraying her. 1126 00:53:15,707 --> 00:53:19,803 - I don't think he realized how much he was giving us. 1127 00:53:19,911 --> 00:53:22,471 It was only when he said to me, 1128 00:53:22,581 --> 00:53:23,774 "She placed these ads 1129 00:53:23,881 --> 00:53:25,371 in the Hollywood Free Press, in Freep. " 1130 00:53:25,483 --> 00:53:27,974 He took us to one of their offices, 1131 00:53:28,085 --> 00:53:30,053 which had back numbers of some of the ads 1132 00:53:30,154 --> 00:53:32,781 that she'd posted in there, and it read: 1133 00:53:32,889 --> 00:53:36,757 "Gorgeous former Miss USA contestant desires work. 1134 00:53:36,860 --> 00:53:40,454 "Beauty, brains and talent. The best gal in the Freep. 1135 00:53:40,562 --> 00:53:42,894 "38-24-36. 1136 00:53:42,998 --> 00:53:45,489 "Slim, sweet, Southern blonde. 1137 00:53:45,601 --> 00:53:47,660 "How would you like her to leisurely bathe you, 1138 00:53:47,770 --> 00:53:49,964 "lovingly blow dry/style your hair, 1139 00:53:50,071 --> 00:53:52,437 "and then give you a delicious nude massage 1140 00:53:52,540 --> 00:53:55,134 "on her fur-covered waterbed? 1141 00:53:55,243 --> 00:53:57,233 "Your fantasy is her specialty. 1142 00:53:57,344 --> 00:53:59,676 "S&M. B&D. 1143 00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:01,270 "Escort service. 1144 00:54:01,381 --> 00:54:02,746 "Nude wrestling. Modeling. 1145 00:54:02,849 --> 00:54:04,476 "Erotic phone calls. 1146 00:54:04,584 --> 00:54:06,847 "Dirty panties or pictures. 1147 00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:10,410 Mail your fantasy or specialty to Joey." 1148 00:54:10,523 --> 00:54:11,421 I love this bit. 1149 00:54:11,524 --> 00:54:12,889 "P.S., Joey says, 1150 00:54:12,992 --> 00:54:16,757 'I love shy boys, dirty old men, and sugar daddies."' 1151 00:54:16,861 --> 00:54:18,829 I couldn't believe what I was seeing. 1152 00:54:18,930 --> 00:54:21,524 I could not believe that that was Joyce 1153 00:54:21,633 --> 00:54:22,894 advertising those services. 1154 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,126 But that was only the beginning, 1155 00:54:24,234 --> 00:54:25,394 because once we had all of that, 1156 00:54:25,502 --> 00:54:26,799 we then had to start thinking, 1157 00:54:26,904 --> 00:54:28,735 "Who's got pictures of all this?" 1158 00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:31,238 It was only when he named that photographer. 1159 00:54:33,576 --> 00:54:35,544 He said, "I've never photographed Joyce McKinney. 1160 00:54:35,645 --> 00:54:37,135 I have no idea who she is." 1161 00:54:37,246 --> 00:54:40,772 And I said, "Well, according to a friend of mine 1162 00:54:40,882 --> 00:54:42,281 "and a friend of hers, 1163 00:54:42,384 --> 00:54:46,081 she always came on modeling assignments with her dog." 1164 00:54:46,188 --> 00:54:48,883 "Ah." 1165 00:54:48,989 --> 00:54:50,513 He dug out some magazines. 1166 00:54:50,624 --> 00:54:52,114 Soon as I saw it, I said, "That's her." 1167 00:54:56,864 --> 00:54:59,331 I took that away, and I thought, "Job well done." 1168 00:54:59,432 --> 00:55:02,026 We were getting somewhere. 1169 00:55:02,135 --> 00:55:04,399 We went back to Steve's apartment, 1170 00:55:04,504 --> 00:55:08,234 and he brought up a phone bill. 1171 00:55:08,340 --> 00:55:11,275 Every itemized phone call Joyce had made from the apartment 1172 00:55:11,376 --> 00:55:13,469 in the last three, four months. 1173 00:55:13,579 --> 00:55:15,876 Right. 1174 00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:18,210 Away we went with the phone bill. 1175 00:55:18,316 --> 00:55:20,147 Frank Power and I spent three hours 1176 00:55:20,251 --> 00:55:22,116 hitting every one of those numbers on there. 1177 00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:24,949 Nobody had heard of Joyce McKinney. 1178 00:55:25,055 --> 00:55:26,750 No idea who she was. 1179 00:55:26,857 --> 00:55:30,452 The dog was the link. Always the dog. 1180 00:55:33,062 --> 00:55:34,586 It was only when Steve told me 1181 00:55:34,697 --> 00:55:36,255 that she took the dog with her 1182 00:55:36,365 --> 00:55:40,425 that the photographer could put a face to an alias. 1183 00:55:42,937 --> 00:55:45,098 - You learn, when you're famous, who your friends are. 1184 00:55:45,206 --> 00:55:47,834 When the payrollees come out, the checkbook journalists. 1185 00:55:47,942 --> 00:55:50,171 People that are real jealous or maybe didn't like you 1186 00:55:50,277 --> 00:55:52,074 or need money, it's, "Yeah? 1187 00:55:52,179 --> 00:55:54,477 What do ya wanna know about her? How much you pay me?" 1188 00:55:54,581 --> 00:55:56,572 I had a false friend, and his name was Steve, 1189 00:55:56,683 --> 00:55:58,673 and he was a creep. 1190 00:55:58,784 --> 00:56:01,218 He had the key to the outside of my apartment 1191 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,255 so he could go in and walk my dog. 1192 00:56:04,357 --> 00:56:05,846 He broke in a steamer trunk. 1193 00:56:05,957 --> 00:56:10,189 I had huge pictures of me in there from a modeling portfolio. 1194 00:56:10,295 --> 00:56:12,957 He sold those to The Sun and the Daily Mirror. 1195 00:56:13,064 --> 00:56:14,587 Both were in contests 1196 00:56:14,698 --> 00:56:17,929 to see who could do the worst Joyce McKinney story. 1197 00:56:18,035 --> 00:56:19,297 When those Daily Mirror reporters 1198 00:56:19,403 --> 00:56:20,563 showed up on his doorstep, 1199 00:56:20,671 --> 00:56:23,935 they turned him and bragged about it. 1200 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:29,068 They sent him and his prostitute crony to Mexico 1201 00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:31,737 so that they wouldn't be prosecuted 1202 00:56:31,847 --> 00:56:34,338 for breaking and entering my apartment. 1203 00:56:34,449 --> 00:56:35,939 - We were worried about Steve, 1204 00:56:36,051 --> 00:56:38,315 that somebody was gonna get to him. 1205 00:56:38,420 --> 00:56:43,288 So we kept Steve out of the way of all our opposition in Mexico 1206 00:56:43,391 --> 00:56:46,690 for about ten days until we finished with the story. 1207 00:56:46,794 --> 00:56:48,852 He didn't realize that it was to keep him out of the way. 1208 00:56:48,962 --> 00:56:50,429 I mean, he could've made a lot of money 1209 00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:51,792 by telling his side of the story. 1210 00:56:51,898 --> 00:56:54,628 All he got from us was a promise 1211 00:56:54,734 --> 00:56:58,829 to be at the Old Bailey when Joyce goes to trial. 1212 00:56:58,938 --> 00:57:02,704 We were coming up with more material than you could believe, 1213 00:57:02,808 --> 00:57:04,673 unpublishable material, 1214 00:57:04,777 --> 00:57:07,267 bondage pictures, her wrestling with Thai girls, 1215 00:57:07,378 --> 00:57:09,778 mud wrestling, nudes. 1216 00:57:09,881 --> 00:57:13,873 The service that were offered were oral sex, massage, bondage. 1217 00:57:13,984 --> 00:57:16,612 Laura would have the full intercourse 1218 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,247 if they paid enough money. 1219 00:57:20,357 --> 00:57:23,325 Joyce would do the bondage and anything else they needed, 1220 00:57:23,426 --> 00:57:25,519 including oral sex, but that was it. 1221 00:57:27,163 --> 00:57:28,494 I said to him, "Well, what happens 1222 00:57:28,597 --> 00:57:29,825 if this ever got out of control?" 1223 00:57:29,932 --> 00:57:32,058 And he said, "Oh, we had that fixed." 1224 00:57:32,167 --> 00:57:33,691 I won't try to get his accent. 1225 00:57:33,802 --> 00:57:35,394 He said, "I bugged the dog's collar." 1226 00:57:35,503 --> 00:57:37,403 I said, "You did what?" 1227 00:57:37,505 --> 00:57:39,734 He said, "I put a bug in the collar of the dog." 1228 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,400 I said, "What, the dog went with her on these sexual encounters?" 1229 00:57:42,509 --> 00:57:43,476 "Oh, yeah, always." 1230 00:57:43,577 --> 00:57:44,839 He said, "And if it got out of hand, 1231 00:57:44,945 --> 00:57:46,936 "I'd be sitting outside with a couple of other guys, 1232 00:57:47,047 --> 00:57:48,343 and we would go in." 1233 00:57:48,448 --> 00:57:50,643 - So is he sitting in a coffee shop with headphones? 1234 00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:51,739 - He was sitting in the car. 1235 00:57:55,688 --> 00:57:58,281 Steve was very much in love with Joyce. 1236 00:57:58,390 --> 00:58:01,723 We asked him if he'd ever had sex with her, and he said, 1237 00:58:01,827 --> 00:58:04,955 "Shoot, man, nobody's ever had sex with Joyce." 1238 00:58:05,063 --> 00:58:07,326 That was the quote from him. 1239 00:58:07,431 --> 00:58:08,523 - Nobody? 1240 00:58:08,632 --> 00:58:10,725 - "Nobody." That was the quote. 1241 00:58:12,837 --> 00:58:14,497 When Mike Malloy, who was the editor 1242 00:58:14,604 --> 00:58:15,696 of the Mirror at that time, 1243 00:58:15,805 --> 00:58:17,898 asked me how we were getting on, I said, 1244 00:58:18,008 --> 00:58:19,066 "It's interesting, Mike. 1245 00:58:19,175 --> 00:58:20,699 You'll be pleased to see what we've got." 1246 00:58:20,810 --> 00:58:22,470 "Do you have a picture of her in a swimsuit?" 1247 00:58:22,578 --> 00:58:24,773 I said, "Oh, yes. We've got that." 1248 00:58:31,419 --> 00:58:33,080 - I mean, worms crawl out of the woodwork 1249 00:58:33,187 --> 00:58:35,655 when you become famous, worms, cockroaches! 1250 00:58:42,562 --> 00:58:43,893 - Mike called me to say, 1251 00:58:43,997 --> 00:58:45,988 "I better let you know that tomorrow we're gonna run, 1252 00:58:46,099 --> 00:58:49,226 for a week, with 'The Real McKinney' story." 1253 00:58:49,335 --> 00:58:51,360 And that was the front page, "The Real McKinney." 1254 00:58:56,441 --> 00:58:59,933 - Their front page was going to be Joyce, naked, 1255 00:59:00,045 --> 00:59:01,342 but lying on her stomach. 1256 00:59:01,446 --> 00:59:05,905 And ours was going to be these pictures of her as a nun. 1257 00:59:06,016 --> 00:59:08,075 One paper projecting her 1258 00:59:08,185 --> 00:59:11,621 as an innocent, sweet-natured woman, 1259 00:59:11,722 --> 00:59:14,451 a God-fearing, religious woman, 1260 00:59:14,557 --> 00:59:17,492 who was a victim of cruel circumstances. 1261 00:59:17,593 --> 00:59:19,959 And the other, the Daily Mirror, projected her 1262 00:59:20,063 --> 00:59:26,001 as a kind of manipulating, sex-crazed, part-time hooker. 1263 00:59:26,101 --> 00:59:29,400 Somewhere in between, maybe, is the truth. 1264 00:59:29,504 --> 00:59:33,234 - The Express came, and they actually let me tape-record 1265 00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:36,104 what I said, and they printed it word-for-word. 1266 00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:40,441 And that same week, the Mirror came out with the story. 1267 00:59:40,547 --> 00:59:42,845 They had painted a totally different picture of me. 1268 00:59:42,949 --> 00:59:46,783 If I was well-educated, they made me stupid. 1269 00:59:46,886 --> 00:59:51,049 If I was a virgin in real life, they made me a slut. 1270 00:59:51,156 --> 00:59:55,456 - We did the fantasy that Joyce wanted promoted 1271 00:59:55,561 --> 00:59:58,188 to the millions of English readers. 1272 00:59:58,296 --> 00:59:59,854 - Yeah, you became her tool, her slave. 1273 00:59:59,964 --> 01:00:01,898 - Oh, totally. I became her slave, yes. 1274 01:00:01,999 --> 01:00:03,796 We were all her slaves. 1275 01:00:07,504 --> 01:00:09,495 The Daily Express did buy the story, 1276 01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:11,301 and it was only Joyce's story, 1277 01:00:11,408 --> 01:00:13,671 what she wanted to say about the kidnapping, 1278 01:00:13,776 --> 01:00:15,744 what she did or did not do with Kirk. 1279 01:00:15,845 --> 01:00:18,473 She wasn't gonna tell a story about her hooker assignments. 1280 01:00:18,581 --> 01:00:19,809 She can't say it never happened 1281 01:00:19,915 --> 01:00:23,577 because there it is in black-and-white. 1282 01:00:23,685 --> 01:00:27,280 It was Joyce. 1283 01:00:27,388 --> 01:00:28,685 - Well, her claim is, of course, 1284 01:00:28,790 --> 01:00:30,223 that those pictures were doctored. 1285 01:00:30,325 --> 01:00:31,484 - You don't doctor negatives. 1286 01:00:31,592 --> 01:00:34,618 We had the negative, print, and the magazine. 1287 01:00:34,728 --> 01:00:36,821 Get out of that, Joyce. 1288 01:00:36,930 --> 01:00:39,659 - The Sun put my head on another person's naked body. 1289 01:00:39,765 --> 01:00:41,699 And she was flat-chested as a board. 1290 01:00:41,801 --> 01:00:44,702 I mean, the girl was flat in her front. 1291 01:00:44,804 --> 01:00:47,102 As you see, I'm not flat in my front. 1292 01:00:47,206 --> 01:00:49,469 - So it was clear that this woman's breasts... 1293 01:00:49,574 --> 01:00:50,700 - Were not me. 1294 01:00:50,809 --> 01:00:53,972 Those are fried eggs! 1295 01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:56,013 The Sun admitted it was a fake picture. 1296 01:00:56,114 --> 01:00:58,604 They came out and said, "This is a composite picture." 1297 01:00:58,716 --> 01:01:00,183 But the Daily Mirror didn't. 1298 01:01:00,284 --> 01:01:04,186 The Daily Mirror tried to make it look like I was a whore. 1299 01:01:04,288 --> 01:01:05,777 - On the only occasion when I did meet her 1300 01:01:05,889 --> 01:01:08,119 a bit later, she said, in her accent, you know, 1301 01:01:08,224 --> 01:01:09,953 "I don't pose nude." 1302 01:01:10,059 --> 01:01:12,118 Of course, sitting on the editor's desk 1303 01:01:12,228 --> 01:01:14,889 was over 1,000 pictures and magazines 1304 01:01:14,997 --> 01:01:18,296 and negatives of her that we already had. 1305 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:19,697 She never knew that, of course. 1306 01:01:19,801 --> 01:01:21,927 I never took a picture, which is really unusual for me. 1307 01:01:22,036 --> 01:01:23,333 The only thing I ever wanted to do 1308 01:01:23,437 --> 01:01:25,029 was photograph Joyce with no clothes on. 1309 01:01:25,139 --> 01:01:26,299 And I ended up picking up 1310 01:01:26,407 --> 01:01:28,534 hundreds of other people who did it. 1311 01:01:28,643 --> 01:01:31,008 Bit strange. 1312 01:01:31,111 --> 01:01:32,476 - Do you still have the photographs? 1313 01:01:32,579 --> 01:01:34,012 - Unfortunately, only the pictures 1314 01:01:34,114 --> 01:01:36,014 that were published in the Mirror at the time. 1315 01:01:36,116 --> 01:01:39,881 The file, which was between 800 and 1,000 pictures, 1316 01:01:39,985 --> 01:01:41,111 were all locked up in a safe. 1317 01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:42,187 But unfortunately, 1318 01:01:42,288 --> 01:01:43,687 the Mirror Group changed ownership, 1319 01:01:43,789 --> 01:01:45,279 and along with a lot of other things, 1320 01:01:45,391 --> 01:01:47,517 all that dossier went missing. 1321 01:01:50,228 --> 01:01:53,425 - We were in the hotel room, and Joyce was constantly calling 1322 01:01:53,531 --> 01:01:54,862 her friend in North London saying, 1323 01:01:54,966 --> 01:01:56,091 "Have you seen the papers yet? 1324 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,292 Have you seen the papers yet?" 1325 01:01:57,401 --> 01:01:58,663 She'd gotten the newspapers, 1326 01:01:58,769 --> 01:02:01,294 the early editions of the newspapers, 1327 01:02:01,405 --> 01:02:03,635 and had them laid out in front of her 1328 01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:05,172 and was on the telephone saying, 1329 01:02:05,274 --> 01:02:07,469 "And the Mirror says this, and the Mirror says that. 1330 01:02:07,577 --> 01:02:12,071 "And there's a photograph of you here with no clothes on. 1331 01:02:12,181 --> 01:02:13,909 "And there's another photograph 1332 01:02:14,015 --> 01:02:17,849 of you here standing on a man in a bedroom." 1333 01:02:17,953 --> 01:02:20,183 And this is when Joyce freaked out. 1334 01:02:23,257 --> 01:02:28,456 She was so appalled and enraged and distressed 1335 01:02:28,562 --> 01:02:30,120 about all the stuff 1336 01:02:30,231 --> 01:02:32,664 that the Mirror had been printing about her, 1337 01:02:32,765 --> 01:02:34,995 'cause she had no idea this was gonna happen at all. 1338 01:02:35,101 --> 01:02:38,730 She just went crazy, went absolutely crazy. 1339 01:02:38,837 --> 01:02:42,864 Brian realized that he had to stop this conversation 1340 01:02:42,975 --> 01:02:45,808 and that she mustn't learn any more, 1341 01:02:45,911 --> 01:02:47,707 'cause we didn't know what she was going to do. 1342 01:02:47,812 --> 01:02:50,303 So he didn't even bother to disconnect the telephone 1343 01:02:50,414 --> 01:02:51,779 in a civilized way. 1344 01:02:51,882 --> 01:02:54,680 He just grabbed the wires and pulled them out of the wall. 1345 01:02:57,821 --> 01:02:59,880 He didn't unplug them; he just pull... 1346 01:02:59,990 --> 01:03:02,083 and bits of plaster came out, I remember, with it. 1347 01:03:02,192 --> 01:03:05,285 - This is a very unusual kind of behavior, no? 1348 01:03:05,394 --> 01:03:07,089 Wouldn't you just hang the phone up? 1349 01:03:07,196 --> 01:03:10,188 - Well, Joyce McKinney had it in both hands 1350 01:03:10,299 --> 01:03:12,096 screwed into her ear. 1351 01:03:12,201 --> 01:03:14,634 I mean, she was really scary, really scary. 1352 01:03:14,736 --> 01:03:16,704 She appeared to kind of fly across the room, 1353 01:03:16,804 --> 01:03:21,002 as far as I remember it, and clung on to the curtains, 1354 01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:24,009 which partly came away on the rail. 1355 01:03:24,111 --> 01:03:25,669 She was completely hysterical. 1356 01:03:25,779 --> 01:03:27,110 Then she went for the balcony. 1357 01:03:27,214 --> 01:03:29,944 I dived after her and sort of grabbed her by the ankles. 1358 01:03:30,050 --> 01:03:32,244 I didn't know whether she was going to jump off, 1359 01:03:32,351 --> 01:03:35,013 'cause if she had done, I think there were probably tourists 1360 01:03:35,121 --> 01:03:36,816 on deck chairs underneath. 1361 01:03:36,922 --> 01:03:39,185 She would've probably taken them out too. 1362 01:03:39,291 --> 01:03:42,886 So it would have been very embarrassing, to say the least. 1363 01:03:42,994 --> 01:03:44,859 - I looked down, and I could see all the reporters 1364 01:03:44,963 --> 01:03:47,124 milling around outside trying to get their shot, 1365 01:03:47,232 --> 01:03:48,789 trying to get their shot. 1366 01:03:48,899 --> 01:03:50,628 You know, even as far up as I was, 1367 01:03:50,734 --> 01:03:52,201 they were trying to get their shot. 1368 01:03:52,303 --> 01:03:55,863 And I thought, "All I have to do is just climb up on this rail 1369 01:03:55,972 --> 01:03:58,497 "and just splatter, and I will be dead. 1370 01:03:58,608 --> 01:04:00,007 "I'll be in heaven. 1371 01:04:00,109 --> 01:04:05,978 There will be no more tabloid reporters ever to ruin my life." 1372 01:04:06,081 --> 01:04:07,878 - She went a bit up the wall. 1373 01:04:07,983 --> 01:04:09,917 She tried to climb up and jump off the balcony. 1374 01:04:10,018 --> 01:04:11,918 "I want to meet my Maker!" 1375 01:04:14,322 --> 01:04:17,814 - K.J. came running in the motel room, and he's just, 1376 01:04:17,925 --> 01:04:20,189 "Don't let 'em win! 1377 01:04:20,294 --> 01:04:22,488 "If you die, the truth dies with you, 1378 01:04:22,595 --> 01:04:25,063 "and nobody will ever know what really happened. 1379 01:04:25,165 --> 01:04:27,599 Nobody will know how much you loved him." 1380 01:04:27,701 --> 01:04:29,566 - She was screaming. She was hysterical. 1381 01:04:29,669 --> 01:04:32,398 She was completely out of control. 1382 01:04:32,504 --> 01:04:34,028 We got her to a hospital. 1383 01:04:34,139 --> 01:04:37,370 We were thinking in terms of a pill of some kind, 1384 01:04:37,476 --> 01:04:39,807 but this nurse appeared with a large syringe 1385 01:04:39,911 --> 01:04:43,642 and just stuck it in her. 1386 01:04:43,748 --> 01:04:44,840 And we wheeled her out 1387 01:04:44,949 --> 01:04:47,110 in this wheelchair that was provided, 1388 01:04:47,217 --> 01:04:49,151 unconscious, 1389 01:04:49,252 --> 01:04:50,810 and got her back to the hotel. 1390 01:04:50,921 --> 01:04:53,685 Her father, this gentle man, came in with his wife 1391 01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:56,986 and tried to put his arms around Joyce. 1392 01:04:57,093 --> 01:05:00,358 And she just sunk her teeth into his forearm. 1393 01:05:00,463 --> 01:05:03,626 And there was an awful kind of tussle. 1394 01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:05,893 And he managed to get himself free, 1395 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,264 and there was blood trickling down his arm. 1396 01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:10,304 He'd been attacked by a vampire. 1397 01:05:13,574 --> 01:05:17,977 Joyce then fled the whole lot of us in her nightie. 1398 01:05:18,078 --> 01:05:21,444 And we kind of followed her and chased her down. 1399 01:05:21,547 --> 01:05:24,141 And there was this freeway that went past the back 1400 01:05:24,250 --> 01:05:27,276 of the hotel with huge trucks 1401 01:05:27,387 --> 01:05:30,651 and cars whizzing past in both directions. 1402 01:05:30,756 --> 01:05:33,987 I remember seeing her run across this freeway, 1403 01:05:34,092 --> 01:05:39,825 miraculously being missed by all these vehicles 1404 01:05:39,930 --> 01:05:42,262 and kind of disappearing somewhere into the distance. 1405 01:05:51,574 --> 01:05:52,802 - I know. Exactly. 1406 01:05:52,909 --> 01:05:54,968 - Because would you believe McKinney is back? 1407 01:05:55,078 --> 01:05:56,169 Joyce McKinney, 1408 01:05:56,278 --> 01:05:58,337 the "sex in chains" girl, arrested. 1409 01:05:58,447 --> 01:06:00,847 - She kept us all entertained in 1977. 1410 01:06:00,949 --> 01:06:03,383 - She used to phone me up every day, two or three times, 1411 01:06:03,485 --> 01:06:05,918 for months, saying, "Lawks, have mercy! 1412 01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:09,148 I'll kill myself... what the Daily Mirror said about me." 1413 01:06:09,257 --> 01:06:10,451 And seven years later, 1414 01:06:10,558 --> 01:06:13,082 she'll still pursuing this unfortunate Mormon. 1415 01:06:13,193 --> 01:06:14,285 Can you believe it? 1416 01:06:14,394 --> 01:06:16,521 - Oh, dear. 1417 01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:18,222 - You saw him in 1984? 1418 01:06:18,331 --> 01:06:19,389 - Yeah. 1419 01:06:19,499 --> 01:06:20,625 Yeah, I was at the airport, 1420 01:06:20,734 --> 01:06:25,670 and his... overweight Mormon wife saw me. 1421 01:06:25,771 --> 01:06:28,399 And I guess she was disturbed I was using the public airport. 1422 01:06:28,507 --> 01:06:29,939 She went and called the police and said, 1423 01:06:30,041 --> 01:06:31,372 "Oh, McKinney's here. Go get her." 1424 01:06:31,476 --> 01:06:33,205 - What was his job at the airport? 1425 01:06:33,311 --> 01:06:36,803 - I hate to say this, but he was a doo-doo dipper. 1426 01:06:36,915 --> 01:06:38,609 - A doo-doo dipper? 1427 01:06:38,715 --> 01:06:39,909 - Yeah. 1428 01:06:40,017 --> 01:06:41,382 - What is a doo-doo dipper? 1429 01:06:41,485 --> 01:06:43,544 - That's someone who takes the doo-doo 1430 01:06:43,654 --> 01:06:45,485 off the back of the plane. 1431 01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:47,579 They married him off to this big, overweight woman, 1432 01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:49,817 and they told her to start having kids as quick as possible 1433 01:06:49,926 --> 01:06:53,020 so that he would get over me. 1434 01:06:53,129 --> 01:06:56,063 That fact that I could have given him children, I guess, 1435 01:06:56,164 --> 01:06:57,529 was bypassed. 1436 01:06:57,632 --> 01:07:00,123 I was kind of glad she was not too good-looking. 1437 01:07:00,235 --> 01:07:02,066 I mean, If she had been really great-looking, 1438 01:07:02,170 --> 01:07:04,034 I would have probably felt really awful, you know? 1439 01:07:04,138 --> 01:07:05,435 Cried my eyes out, 1440 01:07:05,539 --> 01:07:07,871 but it wasn't any competition, if you know what I mean. 1441 01:07:07,975 --> 01:07:09,499 The only thing she had that I didn't have 1442 01:07:09,610 --> 01:07:11,737 was 100 extra pounds, and she was a Mormon. 1443 01:07:11,846 --> 01:07:17,715 - She was found lurking outside his office. 1444 01:07:17,817 --> 01:07:21,183 I think she was arrested for stalking him or something. 1445 01:07:26,191 --> 01:07:27,658 - Do you still love him? 1446 01:07:27,759 --> 01:07:29,420 - I'll die loving him. 1447 01:07:29,528 --> 01:07:31,722 I never got married because of him. 1448 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,372 I'm the incurable romantic, you know? 1449 01:07:47,476 --> 01:07:50,309 The idea of marrying somebody that I didn't love 1450 01:07:50,412 --> 01:07:52,642 and having to sleep with him and have his kids 1451 01:07:52,748 --> 01:07:57,241 and live a humdrum, blasè life with half a love... 1452 01:07:57,352 --> 01:08:01,186 I would rather have a short few weeks 1453 01:08:01,289 --> 01:08:06,726 with someone who was the star in the crown 1454 01:08:06,827 --> 01:08:10,786 than to spend my life with someone and be miserable. 1455 01:08:10,898 --> 01:08:13,388 Love is not a changing thing. 1456 01:08:13,499 --> 01:08:16,366 It doesn't... it's a steadfast and eternal thing. 1457 01:08:16,469 --> 01:08:17,959 It's like an eternal flame. 1458 01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:21,266 It doesn't just stop because of circumstances or situations. 1459 01:08:21,373 --> 01:08:22,772 It goes on, even past death. 1460 01:08:22,874 --> 01:08:25,707 - It's a very bleak future you paint for yourself. 1461 01:08:25,810 --> 01:08:26,902 What is gonna happen to you? 1462 01:08:27,012 --> 01:08:29,344 - Well, first of all, I want to write my book 1463 01:08:29,447 --> 01:08:31,937 and make sure that the truth comes out, 1464 01:08:32,049 --> 01:08:34,244 because, regardless of what you've heard, 1465 01:08:34,351 --> 01:08:37,252 I haven't sold my life story to anyone, to any newspapers. 1466 01:08:37,354 --> 01:08:40,015 The only newspaper I have talked to has been the Express, 1467 01:08:40,123 --> 01:08:42,318 who did the article about my adventures in America, 1468 01:08:42,425 --> 01:08:43,483 and that's it. 1469 01:08:43,593 --> 01:08:45,060 And I want my story to be told. 1470 01:08:45,161 --> 01:08:46,991 - Are you really prepared to condemn yourself, 1471 01:08:47,095 --> 01:08:50,792 'cause that's what it is, to a very solitary life? 1472 01:08:50,899 --> 01:08:52,161 - Yes. 1473 01:08:57,805 --> 01:09:01,502 Today's date is September 25, 1986. 1474 01:09:01,609 --> 01:09:03,042 September 25, 1986. 1475 01:09:04,611 --> 01:09:07,045 It is the interior of the McKinneys' house, 1476 01:09:07,147 --> 01:09:08,808 the office. 1477 01:09:08,915 --> 01:09:12,351 This is the office where the McKinney daughter 1478 01:09:12,451 --> 01:09:13,884 is currently working on a book. 1479 01:09:13,986 --> 01:09:15,977 Could you work at this computer 1480 01:09:16,088 --> 01:09:19,615 with the Benfield coon dogs barking outside your window? 1481 01:09:23,861 --> 01:09:26,261 My father is trying to take a nap. 1482 01:09:35,272 --> 01:09:38,331 Outside, both Benfield hounds are barking. 1483 01:09:38,441 --> 01:09:40,500 This shot is done through the screen. 1484 01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:50,750 This shot made on August 8, 1986, 1485 01:09:50,852 --> 01:09:56,551 shows absolutely nothing around. 1486 01:09:56,657 --> 01:10:01,026 This shot shows absolutely nothing in the picture. 1487 01:10:03,796 --> 01:10:09,257 This shot made on August 8, 1986, 1488 01:10:09,369 --> 01:10:12,599 shows absolutely nothing in the picture. 1489 01:10:13,872 --> 01:10:18,309 This shot made on August 8, 1986, 1490 01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:20,503 shows absolutely no other animals 1491 01:10:20,612 --> 01:10:21,737 or anything in the picture 1492 01:10:21,846 --> 01:10:26,146 to agitate the barking Benfield hound. 1493 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:28,184 This is the same dog, of course, 1494 01:10:28,285 --> 01:10:31,082 that's been barking in the other pictures. 1495 01:10:48,369 --> 01:10:50,963 I finally got what's called agoraphobia. 1496 01:10:51,072 --> 01:10:55,269 It's when you can't go out of the house. 1497 01:10:55,375 --> 01:10:57,536 We had a big old farmhouse 1498 01:10:57,644 --> 01:10:59,942 with a river on one side and woods on the other. 1499 01:11:02,983 --> 01:11:08,181 And we thought that was, like, a natural barrier to paparazzi. 1500 01:11:08,287 --> 01:11:10,221 But they would just put on fisherman boots 1501 01:11:10,322 --> 01:11:11,914 and just wade right through that river. 1502 01:11:14,893 --> 01:11:18,056 I remember one time a woman came on our property, 1503 01:11:18,163 --> 01:11:19,858 ignored the "no trespassing" signs, 1504 01:11:19,964 --> 01:11:21,726 and she was just gawking in the window, 1505 01:11:21,832 --> 01:11:22,821 like, trying to get up 1506 01:11:22,933 --> 01:11:25,663 to see what Joyce McKinney looked like. 1507 01:11:25,769 --> 01:11:27,361 It went on like that for years. 1508 01:11:31,307 --> 01:11:34,174 I could barely get out to go feed the horses. 1509 01:11:42,250 --> 01:11:44,184 So finally, I got me this big old guard dog. 1510 01:11:44,286 --> 01:11:46,719 His name was Tough Guy. 1511 01:11:46,821 --> 01:11:48,618 He was a huge dog. He weighed about 150 pounds. 1512 01:11:48,723 --> 01:11:49,951 Solid muscle. 1513 01:11:50,057 --> 01:11:53,424 Pit bull mastiff bulldog. Jaws like a alligator. 1514 01:11:53,527 --> 01:11:55,426 And I just put him right out in the front yard like, 1515 01:11:55,528 --> 01:11:57,962 "Come on, boys. Come on." 1516 01:12:00,934 --> 01:12:04,391 One day, he got bee-stung. 1517 01:12:04,503 --> 01:12:06,698 These two women that worked at the pharmacy 1518 01:12:06,805 --> 01:12:09,330 who didn't like me decided that it'd just be a hoot 1519 01:12:09,441 --> 01:12:11,602 to add a zero onto that Prednisone prescription 1520 01:12:11,710 --> 01:12:12,903 for Joyce McKinney's guard dog. 1521 01:12:13,010 --> 01:12:14,170 Wouldn't that be funny? 1522 01:12:14,278 --> 01:12:15,836 Probably drive him nutty, wouldn't it? 1523 01:12:15,947 --> 01:12:18,814 Well, it drove him more than nutty. 1524 01:12:18,916 --> 01:12:22,612 The capillaries in his brain exploded. 1525 01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:26,018 But not before he attacked me. 1526 01:12:26,123 --> 01:12:27,784 He didn't know who I was. 1527 01:12:27,891 --> 01:12:30,324 He amputated... I can't raise this arm up. 1528 01:12:30,426 --> 01:12:33,122 But he amputated my left arm. 1529 01:12:33,229 --> 01:12:34,856 He tore off three fingers on this hand. 1530 01:12:34,964 --> 01:12:37,489 He ripped my intestines out of my stomach wall. 1531 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,124 He shredded my knee 1532 01:12:40,235 --> 01:12:43,068 from my right kneecap to my ankle. 1533 01:12:43,171 --> 01:12:45,503 I was bleeding to death. 1534 01:12:45,607 --> 01:12:47,073 I was dying. 1535 01:12:50,477 --> 01:12:51,842 A few months before this, 1536 01:12:51,945 --> 01:12:54,311 I had found a little dog by the side of the road 1537 01:12:54,414 --> 01:12:55,573 going through garbage cans. 1538 01:12:55,681 --> 01:12:57,012 I named him Booger. 1539 01:12:57,116 --> 01:12:58,811 And Booger was a little pit bull. 1540 01:12:59,819 --> 01:13:01,548 I hit the brakes, and I backed up, 1541 01:13:01,654 --> 01:13:04,417 and I got out, and I said, "Could you use a friend? 1542 01:13:04,523 --> 01:13:06,491 "I could use a friend too. 1543 01:13:06,591 --> 01:13:09,321 Okay, I'm a softie. Get in the car." 1544 01:13:09,427 --> 01:13:10,451 So he went... 1545 01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:15,756 He had a little five-beat musical bark, Booger did. 1546 01:13:15,866 --> 01:13:17,527 Booger, Booger, Booger. 1547 01:13:17,635 --> 01:13:18,761 I had taken him home with me, 1548 01:13:18,869 --> 01:13:21,302 not realizing that he was gonna be famous someday 1549 01:13:21,404 --> 01:13:24,532 or that he would save my life or change the lives... my life 1550 01:13:24,641 --> 01:13:27,303 and the lives of so many people. 1551 01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:30,037 The night that this big mastiff attacked me, the guard dog, 1552 01:13:30,145 --> 01:13:31,737 I got next door to where Booger was. 1553 01:13:31,847 --> 01:13:33,337 I said, "Help me, Booger," and Booger shot out, 1554 01:13:33,448 --> 01:13:35,177 and he jumped on that other dog and pulled it off of me. 1555 01:13:36,618 --> 01:13:38,175 It was a fight to the death, and I thought, 1556 01:13:38,286 --> 01:13:40,083 "Poor little Booger, 1557 01:13:40,188 --> 01:13:42,622 he's gonna give himself in a Christlike love for me." 1558 01:13:43,691 --> 01:13:45,454 When I came home from the hospital, 1559 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,891 he sat on the bed beside me, and we healed together, 1560 01:13:47,994 --> 01:13:49,655 and we formed a bond, a friendship. 1561 01:13:51,598 --> 01:13:55,590 Booger was a very special dog. 1562 01:13:55,701 --> 01:13:58,864 Not only was he a licensed service dog, 1563 01:13:58,971 --> 01:14:00,962 but one day he just got up and unlocked the door, 1564 01:14:01,073 --> 01:14:03,768 and then he started dialing 911 with his paw. 1565 01:14:03,875 --> 01:14:05,342 He had a big button phone. 1566 01:14:05,443 --> 01:14:06,569 And I'd say, "Booger, help! 1567 01:14:06,678 --> 01:14:08,703 Dial 911." He'd go, whomp! 1568 01:14:08,813 --> 01:14:09,939 "Booger, I need a towel. 1569 01:14:10,048 --> 01:14:11,572 Go get me a towel out of the dryer, buddy." 1570 01:14:11,683 --> 01:14:13,411 He'd go in there into the dryer and get me a towel. 1571 01:14:13,517 --> 01:14:15,451 "Hey, Booger, get me a pop out of the refrigerator." 1572 01:14:15,552 --> 01:14:18,646 And he'd go get me one, and he'd so gently carry it 1573 01:14:18,755 --> 01:14:20,779 so he wouldn't burst it with his teeth 1574 01:14:20,890 --> 01:14:22,687 and drop it in my lap. 1575 01:14:30,465 --> 01:14:31,989 He got me through that tough time. 1576 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:35,160 For ten years, he was my helper. 1577 01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:38,204 My beloved old friend Booger passed away in my arms 1578 01:14:38,305 --> 01:14:40,899 of cancer in April of 2006. 1579 01:14:41,008 --> 01:14:43,135 I tried everything in the world to save him. 1580 01:14:43,244 --> 01:14:45,610 I took him to every veterinary hospital I could. 1581 01:14:45,713 --> 01:14:47,077 I said, "You can't die, buddy. 1582 01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:48,943 "You're all I have. We're a package deal. 1583 01:14:49,048 --> 01:14:51,039 You can't die." 1584 01:14:51,150 --> 01:14:53,744 That was the last command I gave him, "You can't die." 1585 01:14:53,853 --> 01:14:57,948 And he looked at me as if he didn't want to disappoint me. 1586 01:14:58,056 --> 01:15:00,047 And those eyes, with age-old wisdom, 1587 01:15:00,158 --> 01:15:05,424 those dark brown eyes looked at me like, "Don't worry. 1588 01:15:05,529 --> 01:15:09,625 I'll see you again. This is not the end for us." 1589 01:15:10,301 --> 01:15:11,393 I just wanted to go to heaven, 1590 01:15:11,502 --> 01:15:13,230 and I thought God would just have Booger there 1591 01:15:13,336 --> 01:15:14,462 on a cloud for me or something. 1592 01:15:14,571 --> 01:15:16,869 And I'd had such a sad life, you know, 1593 01:15:16,973 --> 01:15:18,702 with all the tabloid mess. 1594 01:15:18,808 --> 01:15:21,742 And I thought, "I just want the hurt to stop. 1595 01:15:21,844 --> 01:15:23,539 And I can't do without him." 1596 01:15:23,646 --> 01:15:25,511 Then I heard about cloning. 1597 01:15:25,614 --> 01:15:27,741 You know, I thought, "Well, I'll just give it a stab." 1598 01:15:28,751 --> 01:15:30,684 I contacted Dr. Byeong Chun Lee 1599 01:15:30,785 --> 01:15:33,652 and asked him if it was possible. 1600 01:15:33,755 --> 01:15:35,655 I wrote him a letter in Korean, translated it, 1601 01:15:35,757 --> 01:15:37,621 and then tracked down his phone number. 1602 01:15:37,724 --> 01:15:40,215 And he goes, "I can clone your dog." 1603 01:15:40,327 --> 01:15:41,692 I said, "Are you sure? 1604 01:15:41,795 --> 01:15:45,390 I mean, is it possible I could have my old boy back?" 1605 01:15:45,499 --> 01:15:47,432 He goes, "I can." 1606 01:15:50,736 --> 01:15:54,399 - Do you ever feel like God? 1607 01:16:19,462 --> 01:16:20,951 - What their plan was 1608 01:16:21,063 --> 01:16:24,464 is to take a little piece of tissue from Booger's tummy, 1609 01:16:24,566 --> 01:16:26,193 put it in liquid nitrogen 1610 01:16:26,301 --> 01:16:28,666 for its safe trip back to Seoul, Korea. 1611 01:16:30,137 --> 01:16:33,504 They flew back with the help of Homeland Security. 1612 01:16:33,607 --> 01:16:37,134 Homeland Security guarding these little cells. 1613 01:16:37,243 --> 01:16:38,232 - Guarding Booger. 1614 01:16:38,345 --> 01:16:39,710 - Well, to me, it was Spirit Booger. 1615 01:16:39,813 --> 01:16:40,780 That's what we called it. 1616 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,110 It was like an orb of light 1617 01:16:43,216 --> 01:16:45,582 moved along the fuselage of the plane. 1618 01:16:45,685 --> 01:16:47,709 And people were saying, "What is that?" 1619 01:16:47,820 --> 01:16:51,449 But I knew. I knew it was old Spirit Booger. 1620 01:16:51,557 --> 01:16:54,650 I closed my eyes, and I said a silent prayer, and I said, 1621 01:16:54,759 --> 01:16:57,751 "Oh, Heavenly Father, please take good care of him." 1622 01:16:57,862 --> 01:17:00,456 And it was like he spoke to my heart, and said, 1623 01:17:00,565 --> 01:17:02,590 "Don't worry. 1624 01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:05,031 "He's with me, and he's fine. 1625 01:17:05,135 --> 01:17:09,094 "And you, you are going to be fine too, 1626 01:17:09,206 --> 01:17:10,901 "because I've got Booger 1, 1627 01:17:11,008 --> 01:17:13,339 "but I'm sending you back Booger 2 1628 01:17:13,442 --> 01:17:15,933 and a little something extra." 1629 01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:53,334 - I get this long-distance phone call. 1630 01:17:53,445 --> 01:17:55,309 It's Dr. Hong. 1631 01:17:55,413 --> 01:17:58,678 "Miss Brenann, what is best news I can bring to you?" 1632 01:17:58,783 --> 01:18:01,274 And I said, "We're pregnant? 1633 01:18:01,385 --> 01:18:02,976 We're pregnant!" 1634 01:18:03,086 --> 01:18:04,110 He said, "We are." 1635 01:18:04,220 --> 01:18:09,522 On August the 5th, I flew to Seoul, Korea. 1636 01:18:25,139 --> 01:18:28,074 - Well, I found out what the little something extra was 1637 01:18:28,176 --> 01:18:30,973 that Heavenly Father had promised me. 1638 01:18:31,078 --> 01:18:32,602 There were five. - Five? 1639 01:18:32,712 --> 01:18:36,045 - Five cloned puppies, all exactly like Booger, 1640 01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:39,481 five mini Boogers lying there like little black jelly rolls 1641 01:18:39,585 --> 01:18:41,917 with half the world press crowding around. 1642 01:18:42,021 --> 01:18:44,581 They just looked like little tiny mini Boogers. 1643 01:18:44,690 --> 01:18:46,350 It was the strangest feeling. 1644 01:18:50,228 --> 01:18:51,752 The weirdest thing is, 1645 01:18:51,863 --> 01:18:54,058 I was sitting in a hotel in Seoul, Korea, 1646 01:18:54,164 --> 01:18:56,325 and one of them got up and opened the door, 1647 01:18:56,433 --> 01:18:57,559 and he was four months old. 1648 01:18:57,668 --> 01:19:00,603 And I just went... 1649 01:19:00,704 --> 01:19:01,830 I thought, "How'd he know that? 1650 01:19:01,939 --> 01:19:03,200 I didn't train them to do that." 1651 01:19:03,306 --> 01:19:05,206 You know, they have those little refrigerators 1652 01:19:05,308 --> 01:19:08,573 with little wooden doors, like a cabinet, in hotels. 1653 01:19:08,678 --> 01:19:10,873 And he just reached right up, got that silver knob, 1654 01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:12,241 and jerked it open with his teeth 1655 01:19:12,347 --> 01:19:13,473 just like old Booger used to do. 1656 01:19:13,582 --> 01:19:15,049 And then, when one of them got the leash 1657 01:19:15,150 --> 01:19:16,208 and went over to the door 1658 01:19:16,318 --> 01:19:17,979 and dropped it like, "Walk me, now," 1659 01:19:18,086 --> 01:19:20,781 like Booger did, it blew me away. 1660 01:19:20,888 --> 01:19:23,322 I said, "These are his clones." 1661 01:19:23,424 --> 01:19:25,654 - It was $25,000, if I can remember. 1662 01:19:25,759 --> 01:19:28,818 - Well, the original price was, I believe, $150,000. 1663 01:19:28,928 --> 01:19:30,361 - Was it? God. 1664 01:19:30,463 --> 01:19:31,760 She must like her dogs. 1665 01:19:31,865 --> 01:19:34,891 I don't know. Some girl. 1666 01:19:35,001 --> 01:19:36,434 - It was in all the papers. 1667 01:19:36,536 --> 01:19:41,029 "Dog cloning girl turns out to be the Joyce McKinney," 1668 01:19:41,140 --> 01:19:43,904 because she pretended it wasn't her to start with. 1669 01:19:44,009 --> 01:19:45,976 She called herself Brenann McKinney. 1670 01:19:46,077 --> 01:19:47,908 Something like Brenann, was it? 1671 01:19:48,012 --> 01:19:49,741 - Berman McKinney, or something like that. 1672 01:19:49,847 --> 01:19:51,838 I forget what name she used. 1673 01:19:51,949 --> 01:19:54,178 I knew right away it was Joyce. 1674 01:19:54,284 --> 01:19:55,444 - Why? 1675 01:19:55,552 --> 01:19:58,077 - Well, I think there was a photograph. 1676 01:19:58,188 --> 01:19:59,780 And she hadn't changed that much. 1677 01:20:01,324 --> 01:20:03,052 - I thought if I used my middle name 1678 01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:05,286 that I would just be left alone by the press, 1679 01:20:05,394 --> 01:20:07,294 because I don't see any connection at all 1680 01:20:07,396 --> 01:20:08,761 between cloned puppies 1681 01:20:08,864 --> 01:20:11,025 and a 32-year-old sex-in-chains story. 1682 01:20:11,132 --> 01:20:13,566 I'm sorry, but I don't see the connection. 1683 01:20:13,668 --> 01:20:16,136 But you should have seen the way Associated Press... 1684 01:20:16,237 --> 01:20:17,966 those people slandered me so bad. 1685 01:20:18,072 --> 01:20:20,164 In fact, if there's an attorney listening to this 1686 01:20:20,274 --> 01:20:21,935 that wants a good libel suit, I've got one. 1687 01:20:22,042 --> 01:20:24,067 - "I'll sue anybody," she said, 1688 01:20:24,178 --> 01:20:25,941 "who says I'm that Joyce McKinney. 1689 01:20:26,046 --> 01:20:27,206 I'm not that Joyce McKinney." 1690 01:20:27,314 --> 01:20:30,214 But she had to admit that she was. 1691 01:20:40,625 --> 01:20:43,185 - I was afraid to have a love affair of any kind after Kirk. 1692 01:20:43,295 --> 01:20:44,455 I was afraid to kiss a guy. 1693 01:20:44,563 --> 01:20:47,429 So I chose just to be celibate and... 1694 01:20:47,531 --> 01:20:49,226 as Bridget Bardot once said, 1695 01:20:49,333 --> 01:20:50,527 "I gave my youth to men, 1696 01:20:50,634 --> 01:20:53,262 and my old age I give to dogs that I trust." 1697 01:20:53,370 --> 01:20:55,234 Dogs and children love me. 1698 01:20:55,338 --> 01:20:56,805 They love Joyce McKinney, 1699 01:20:56,906 --> 01:21:00,342 because they sense in me an innocence, you know? 1700 01:21:00,443 --> 01:21:03,434 They sense in me a gentleness. 1701 01:21:03,545 --> 01:21:05,604 And they don't read tabloid papers. 1702 01:21:05,714 --> 01:21:07,011 They love me for me. 1703 01:21:07,115 --> 01:21:08,639 - She's not an evil person. 1704 01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:13,083 I mean, she's just a bit crazy, eccentric, self-obsessed, 1705 01:21:13,187 --> 01:21:15,951 and self-involved and manipulative 1706 01:21:16,057 --> 01:21:18,719 and barking mad, probably, basically, but... 1707 01:21:18,826 --> 01:21:20,258 - "Barking mad." 1708 01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:21,554 - Yeah. 1709 01:21:21,661 --> 01:21:23,652 - I wish we had that expression over here. 1710 01:21:23,763 --> 01:21:25,094 - You can have it. 1711 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,067 - You can tell yourself a million times, 1712 01:21:29,168 --> 01:21:30,658 "God knows the truth." 1713 01:21:30,769 --> 01:21:33,738 And it would be nice if all you had to deal with 1714 01:21:33,839 --> 01:21:36,501 every day was God. 1715 01:21:36,609 --> 01:21:38,838 But you don't. You have to deal with people. 1716 01:21:45,782 --> 01:21:48,444 I didn't plan on any of the tabloids destroying my life 1717 01:21:48,552 --> 01:21:50,679 or the Mormons or the press or the wire services. 1718 01:21:50,787 --> 01:21:52,414 That was not in my plans. 1719 01:21:55,358 --> 01:21:56,950 I really didn't have much choice 1720 01:21:57,059 --> 01:22:01,155 other than to make some kind of move in my life. 1721 01:22:01,264 --> 01:22:03,527 I had promised God I was gonna write the book. 1722 01:22:03,632 --> 01:22:05,862 Finally. No matter how much it hurt me. 1723 01:22:09,304 --> 01:22:11,601 But someone broke into my pickup truck. 1724 01:22:11,705 --> 01:22:16,199 I had an entire cab full of materials. 1725 01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:18,505 I had court cases, court records. 1726 01:22:18,612 --> 01:22:20,010 I had all the interview witnesses. 1727 01:22:20,113 --> 01:22:22,047 I had all the exhibits. 1728 01:22:22,148 --> 01:22:25,982 I had the original modeling portfolio 1729 01:22:26,085 --> 01:22:30,282 which matched the head that was put on the naked body. 1730 01:22:30,389 --> 01:22:33,517 My whole life is in those three suitcases. 1731 01:22:33,625 --> 01:22:36,025 And this was an old pickup. 1732 01:22:36,128 --> 01:22:38,925 They pried the wing open with an orange screwdriver, 1733 01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:41,897 and they took coat hangers, 1734 01:22:41,999 --> 01:22:44,263 pulled the door open, 1735 01:22:44,368 --> 01:22:46,699 took absolutely everything 1736 01:22:46,803 --> 01:22:49,033 documenting the story I've just told you, 1737 01:22:49,139 --> 01:22:50,538 took everything, 1738 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,870 with the exception of one little yellow laundry basket 1739 01:22:52,976 --> 01:22:56,240 which had somehow wedged under the seat. 1740 01:22:58,147 --> 01:22:59,876 At least I had something to show 1741 01:22:59,982 --> 01:23:03,781 that this nightmare ordeal happened to what was once 1742 01:23:03,885 --> 01:23:06,945 a normal, all-American kid. 1743 01:23:14,795 --> 01:23:16,660 "After her miraculous escape to America, 1744 01:23:17,331 --> 01:23:19,525 "Joyce retreats into seclusion to write a book 1745 01:23:19,632 --> 01:23:20,997 "about her love story. 1746 01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:22,795 "She vows never to marry, 1747 01:23:22,902 --> 01:23:24,927 "knowing fully that she could never love 1748 01:23:25,037 --> 01:23:26,834 "another man other than Kirk, 1749 01:23:26,939 --> 01:23:31,136 "for she will grow old alone. 1750 01:23:31,242 --> 01:23:34,439 "The love that once spanned an entire continent 1751 01:23:34,546 --> 01:23:36,740 and ocean still exists." 1752 01:23:42,820 --> 01:23:45,652 "Time changes, but the scene is still the same. 1753 01:23:45,755 --> 01:23:49,122 "Joyce is now a lonely old woman. 1754 01:23:49,225 --> 01:23:52,456 "Like Narcissus, she is pining to death, 1755 01:23:52,748 --> 01:23:54,613 dying of a broken heart." 1756 01:24:10,731 --> 01:24:12,657 That's the conclusion of my book, 1757 01:24:12,848 --> 01:24:15,859 but the love has never ended. 139272

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