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We will begin the session now.
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You will remain aware
of everything that goes on.
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Okay.
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We're going to find
an incident in your life
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You have
an exact record of.
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Then by sending you through it
at the time it happened,
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We're going
to reduce it.
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We will reduce the pain.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Tell me what's happening.
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Well, these things
get all so...
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I joined in 198--
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It was a bunch of young kids,
like i was young...
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We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
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Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
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I think the first time i saw
hubbard, and i was in awe...
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We did, because you thought
we were doing good.
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I mean, so you had
some gratification.
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I felt a tremendous amount
of relief.
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I got the answers
for everything
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Within the religion.
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What are you most afraid of?
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It was dark.
3:00 in the morning,
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There's a knock
on the hotel-room door.
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Stop! I'll say whatever
you want,
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I'll write up anything
that you want.
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I flipped out.
I started punching holes
in the walls.
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Things didn't seem quite right.
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And you just feel
so foolish at that point.
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Do you have a secret
you're afraid i'll find out?
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Yes. Yes.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Okay, all right.
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Tell me about it.
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I was 21 years old,
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Living in london,
ontario, canada.
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I wanted to be
a documentary filmmaker.
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And someone had told me
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About what they called--
they said, "there's this cult
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"in new york
called scientology,"
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Which i'd never heard of.
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"and if you give them
all your money,
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"they'll make anything
possible in your life."
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And about six months later,
i was walking down the street.
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This guy was there
selling books.
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And i realized
they were all the same book--
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"dianetics,"
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Which again,
i had never heard of.
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He handed me one
and asked me to look at it.
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He was talking.
I wasn't really listening
to him.
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I opened the cover
and it said--
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Stamped on the inside page,
it said "church of scientology."
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And i said,
"take me there."
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All right.
All right, here we go.
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I'm not a great multitasker.
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You know, and if i feel
like doing something,
that's what i do.
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And, uh,
i was into this shit,
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And i was becoming
an auditor.
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Like, i was in scientology
probably four months,
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And i had done more
than john travolta had done,
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And he'd been there
for 85 years or some shit.
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My agents called, you know,
"you got an audition."
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"eh, fuck it, i don't really--"
you know what i mean?
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I was on--
i'm on a spiritual adventure,
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And this was like, "whoa,
this is an interesting road."
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You know?
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So, uh,
what was the question?
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So tell me,
how was it you first
got involved in scientology?
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Well, i was introduced to it
by some friends.
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I don't know if they said it
or if it was just talked about
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By others that
they had super powers.
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And i-- i was, like,
really young,
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But i thought, "i'd like
to have super powers!"
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But also i had done
so much...
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Political-social work.
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So this really looked like--
that it was a solution
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To handling a lot
of the world's problems.
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Instead of trying
to handle things en masse,
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You could deal with it
person by person,
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Make each person better,
and thus the world would
get better and surer.
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Well, thank you very much,
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And welcome
to our whole new world.
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It's a world where
the operative phrase reads...
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"exceeding all expectations,
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"transcending all parameters,
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"extending the boundaries
beyond any boundary,
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"not to mention
godspeed, lightning speed,
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"and a quantum leap
in sheer rapidity of progress
up the bridge."
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We're out to make every life
extraordinary.
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And if by chance
it ever seems laborious
or a sacrifice,
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Then you are looking
at the offramps instead
of the highway.
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You are missing
the signpost up ahead,
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The one that reads,
"next stop, infinity."
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Probably my favorite concept
of scientology
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Is a world
without criminality,
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A world without war,
and a world without insanity.
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And i know
of no other group
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That their goals
are that clear.
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Look, i don't--
you name me another philosophy,
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Religion, or technology
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That one of its main goals--
besides the three
i mentioned earlier--
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Where joy
is the operative concept.
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These are
the times now, people.
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Okay? These are the times
we will all remember.
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Were you there?
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What did you do?
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So what do you say?
Can we clean this place up?
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Yeah!
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Okay.
Because we're counting on you.
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okay?
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All right?
To lrh!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Scientology is such a subject
of fascination for people.
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How did you get engaged
in the story?
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Well, i've always
been interested in religions
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And why people believe
one idea rather than another.
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I've studied jonestown,
radical islam.
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They're oftentimes
good-hearted people--
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Idealistic, but full of
a kind of crushing certainty
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That eliminates doubt.
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You know, my goal
wasn't to write an exposé.
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It was simply
to understand scientology,
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Trying to understand
what people get out of it.
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You know, why do they
go into it in the first place?
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I was
interested in intelligent
and skeptical people
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Who are drawn
into a belief system
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And wind up acting
on those beliefs
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In ways they never
thought they would.
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The church of scientology
turned out to be
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Two offices
above a woolworth's store.
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He asked me,
"what's ruining your life?"
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I said,
"oh, i'm in love.
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"i'm in love with this woman.
It's impossible.
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"i don't know what to do.
I need some help."
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And he said,
"we can help you with that."
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I said, "really?"
"yes."
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And i ran home and got her,
and i said, "we have to
sign up for this.
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"it sounds really good.
It could save
our relationship."
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So we both signed up
the next day to do a course,
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Which i think cost $50.
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The thing that
absolutely got me
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And stayed with me forever
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Was the very first thing
i read when you open
the course pack,
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And it said--
i'm paraphrasing--
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"don't believe any of this.
If it works for you, great.
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"if it doesn't, discard it."
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I was troubled by the fact
that they called it a religion,
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But i figured,
"oh, it's some tax scam.
It's fine with me.
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"i don't really care about that
as long as it works."
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The first exercise,
after you do all this reading
and stuff like that,
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Is this thing called
o-t-t-r-0,
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Which is basically,
you stand-- you sit
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Just like this,
eyes closed,
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Three feet away
from somebody who's
doing the same thing,
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And you basically
confront them.
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You know?
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And in scientology lingo,
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I went exterior.
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Exteriorizing
is what they call it.
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You know,
you leave your body.
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So it was a... Transcendent
experience for me.,
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And that made me go,
"holy fucking shit,
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"this is-- wow."
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I was reading books,
going to lectures,
and going to things--
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Different events
at the mission-- at the local
santa clara mission.
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And then i knew
i wanted to join the sea org
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And get really involved
as soon as i could,
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Which would
be right out of high school.
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Sea org
is the most fraternal order
of the organization.
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It's people who really,
really believe in the cause
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And sign
a billion-year contract,
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Which i did when i was--
you know, as soon as i could.
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I left skid marks getting
to that billion-year contract.
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You thought
you were doing something good,
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To have a positive effect
on all of mankind.
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That's what howard says.
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Everything you do for endless
trillions of years
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Depends on what you do
here and now within
scientology.
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I began to ask this question,
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"what is man?"
and i found, oddly enough,
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That nobody could tell me
what man was.
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What did he consist of?
Where was he going?
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What was he doing?
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To really know life,
you've got to be part of life.
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You must get down and look.
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You must get into
the nooks and crannies
of existence,
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The-- you have to rub elbows
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With all kinds
and types of men
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Before you can finally
establish what he is.
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And you in fact did this?
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Yes, i've slept
with bandits in mongolia,
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And i've hunted
with, uh,
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Pygmies in the philippines.
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Matter of fact,
i've studied 21 different
primitive races,
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Including the white race.
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And my conclusions were
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That man is
a spiritual being
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That was pulled down
to the material,
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The fleshly interests,
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To an interplay in life
that was, in fact,
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Too great for him
to confront.
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And i concluded, finally,
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That he needed a hand.
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To understand scientology,
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You have to understand
the life and mind
of its inventor,
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L. Ron hubbard.
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Hubbard was
a prolific writer.
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He actually holds
the "guinness book
of world records"
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For the number of books
published--
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More than 1,000.
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Hubbard got his start
in the depression writing
pulp fiction,
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Named for
the cheap paper used.
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Writers were paid
a penny a word,
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So hey had to write a lot
to make money.
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Hubbard hammered away
so fast
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On long rolls
of butcher paper
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That he used to drop sweat
on his typewriter.
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Hubbard's career took off
when he began to write
for a magazine
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Called "astounding
science fiction."
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Along with authors
like isaac asimov
and robert heinlein,
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Hubbard wrote stories
with a sense of mission--
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To get man to the stars.
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He found his true métier
in science fiction.
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And a lot of
what scientology is
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He had previously written about
in the form
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Of his science fiction.
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He had the ability
to fabricate these
amazing tales,
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And he transported
those imaginary stories
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Into his theology.
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After pearl harbor,
hubbard took command
of a sub chaser,
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But he was still a man
prone to invention.
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He would write that he sunk
two japanese subs,
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But, in fact,
just off the coast of oregon,
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He opened fire on what
turned out to be a log
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And dropped most of
his depth chargers
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On underwater
magnetic rocks.
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When he accidentally shelled
a mexican island,
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He was relieved
of his command.
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After the war,
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Hubbard ended up
in los angeles
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Where he settled in
with a small group
of seekers and visionaries.
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A guy named jack parsons,
a fascinating man,
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Was one of the founders
of the jet-propulsion
laboratory.
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And there's actually
a crater on the moon
named after jack.
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He was a significant
scientific figure,
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But he was also
the head honcho
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In this black magic cult.
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It was called the o.T.O.,
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Or the ordo templi orientis.
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They followed the teachings
of aleister crowley,
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A famous sexual magic figure
in england.
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Parsons had a mansion
in pasadena.
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They would have ceremonies,
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And they were seeking
some sort of goddess figure
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That he could impregnate
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In order to create
the antichrist.
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Hubbard moved in
and became parsons' assistant.
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One night,
this beautiful redhead
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Named marjorie cameron
showed up at the door.
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She was perfectly
willing to engage
in this sexual ritual
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In order, supposedly,
to produce the antichrist.
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She and jack
eventually got married.
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That happened after hubbard
ran off with jack's girlfriend,
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Sara northrup.
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Scientology
and hubbard
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Would later refuse
to acknowledge
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His relationship
with sara.
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But we uncovered
sara's own recollections
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Of her time with hubbard.
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He was 13 years older
than i was.
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I thought
he was a great war hero,
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A captain of a ship
that had been downed
in the pacific.
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And he was weeks
on a raft,
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And he'd been blinded
by the sun,
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And his back
had been broken.
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All these things
were complete lies,
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But i didn't know it
at the time.
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I believed
every word of it.
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If only sara had seen
hubbard's military records.
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In a 900-page file,
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Hubbard's activities are laid
out in extraordinary detail.
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Hubbard told people
that he had been blinded
and crippled
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During the war,
and the practices
that would form
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The basis of scientology
had cured him.
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But his records show
that his only wounds
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Were mild arthritis
and conjunctivitis.
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We had this terrible fight,
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And he told me he was going
to commit suicide
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If i didn't marry him.
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I really believed him,
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So we got married.
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We spent the winter
in that lighthouse on the lake
in the poconos.
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I remember one awful night,
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When i was asleep
and he was out typing...
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and he hit me
across the side of the head
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With a .45...
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Because i was smiling
in my sleep,
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And he said i was thinking
about somebody else.
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I got up,
left the house,
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And walked
on the ice of the lake.
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I was terrified.
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He always said
that he would kill me
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Rather than
let me leave him.
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The only good thing
i got from ron
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Was my baby.
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We moved
to elizabeth, new jersey,
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And he started
writing "dianetics."
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The book was conceived
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And he started
working on it in 1950.
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He said many times
that the only way to make
any real money
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Was to have a religion.
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That's essentially
what he was trying to do
with "dianetics"--
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Get a religion where
he could have an income
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And the government wouldn't
take it away from him
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In the form of taxes.
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"dianetics" was
an immense success.
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From the moment
it was published in 1950,
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It swept through america
and other countries
around the world.
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This book--
that's the background
of all of this.
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That's what started
all the trouble.
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We expected this to sell
about 6,000 copies,
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And it hit the top
of the bestseller list
of "the new york times"
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And just stayed there,
month in, month out.
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It was like
i started an avalanche.
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The modern science
of mental health"
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Is considered to be
the fundamental text,
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Which is the foundation
upon which all else is built.
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One of the theories
of "dianetics"
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Is to discover these things
that are very traumatic
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Or have been very upsetting
to you,
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And if you can observe
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Exactly what happened,
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The power of that incident
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To influence you today
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Is removed.
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The concept of "dianetics"
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Is that you have
two sides of your mind.
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There is the analytical side,
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Which is a perfect computer.
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It remembers everything.
It's flawless.
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It never makes a mistake.
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And then there's
a reactive side.
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And this is where
all your neuroses, anxieties,
347
00:18:07,150 --> 00:18:08,400
And fears are stored.
348
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,770
And where do they come from?
They come from engrams.
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An engram
is like a memory.
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00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,910
A man has
an automobile accident.
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He has a picture
of an automobile accident.
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He has all the sensations
of having been hurt
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In the automobile accident.
It takes him a long time
to recover,
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00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:25,300
Because he's still wearing
the automobile accident.
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If you said,
"hey, why don't you take
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"this automobile accident
and throw it away?"
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Well, all of a sudden,
he recovers
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From the automobile accident,
naturally,
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Because the thing that's
keeping it impressed upon him
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And his body
is his mind.
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00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:42,100
An auditor is a practitioner
in scientology.
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He listens
and he computes.
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00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:47,160
We have a meter.
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00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:49,480
A meter simply shows
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Where an individual
is aberrated.
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00:18:51,980 --> 00:18:55,200
The e-meter is
a very powerful instrument.
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00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:57,620
It's one-third
of a lie detector.
368
00:18:57,650 --> 00:19:01,650
A lie detector would also
measure your respiration
and pulse.
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00:19:01,670 --> 00:19:04,170
There's two cans
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And there's electrical wires
371
00:19:05,790 --> 00:19:07,960
Carrying an undetectable
amount of current
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00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,380
Into a meter
with a needle on it.
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According to the church
of scientology,
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It actually detects
the mass of your thoughts,
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00:19:16,170 --> 00:19:18,610
Although there's no evidence
that thoughts have mass.
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00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,010
The current
passes through your body,
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00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:25,030
And as your mental mass
increases,
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So does the resistance
to the circuit.
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00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,070
So the auditor will
ask you a question,
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00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,400
"tell me about
an upset with your mother."
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00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:36,240
"what's truly bothering you
about being with, you know,
382
00:19:36,290 --> 00:19:38,380
"with your wife's behavior?
What is it?"
383
00:19:38,410 --> 00:19:40,030
"why are you upset today?"
384
00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:42,630
"well, i had a fight
with my wife."
385
00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:44,380
"well, i can see."
386
00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:46,300
"that there--
was that the same thought?"
387
00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:47,470
"say that again."
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00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:51,300
And gradually, the needle
will have less response.
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00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:54,420
And in that manner,
you discharge the emotion.
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00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,880
Then you're asked to go back
to earlier incidents
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That were like that.
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00:19:59,930 --> 00:20:02,220
And you might say,
"well, my mother spoke to me
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00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:04,400
"in the same
scolding tone of voice."
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00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,600
And you recount that story,
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00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:09,890
And eventually,
you discharge the emotion.
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00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:13,060
And that's very much
like freudian therapy.
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00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,700
But with scientology,
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00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:18,030
Then they'll ask further.
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00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:21,030
"well, that's as far back
as i go."
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00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:22,590
Well, maybe not.
401
00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:26,840
The auditor might say,
"something just registered
on the meter.
402
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,380
"what was that?"
403
00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:30,740
"i had an image
in my mind."
404
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,460
"well, what was the image?"
405
00:20:32,510 --> 00:20:34,180
"it was a barn."
406
00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:36,720
"are you inside the barn?
Go back to that image.
407
00:20:36,750 --> 00:20:39,600
"okay, open the door.
What do you see?"
408
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,690
"well, it looks like
19th century france."
409
00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:48,230
You walk outside
and you see
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00:20:48,260 --> 00:20:50,900
The people dressed
in their costumes,
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00:20:50,980 --> 00:20:53,950
And the e-meter is
saying this is real.
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00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:55,600
This is a real memory.
413
00:20:55,620 --> 00:20:59,240
It's just as real
as those other memories
that you had.
414
00:21:00,790 --> 00:21:03,490
Beautiful little soft needle,
and everything's good.
415
00:21:03,550 --> 00:21:07,630
Needle's rising, which means
he's getting, you know,
416
00:21:07,670 --> 00:21:10,500
Thinking a lot.
The needle just, like,
goes "pfft,"
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00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:12,590
Like a lot of shit
blows away.
418
00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:16,510
The theta bop,
which is a very quick little
thing like, "doo doo doo,"
419
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,760
Which means
exteriorization.
420
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:23,900
When you come out
of an auditing session,
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00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:26,520
You feel euphoric.
422
00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:30,150
That confessional nature
makes you feel better.
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00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:32,860
Somebody would say,
"oh, you're going
to have a session."
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00:21:32,910 --> 00:21:34,860
I would feel better
just hearing that.
425
00:21:34,910 --> 00:21:37,980
Man is asleep.
426
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,150
He is hypnotized.
427
00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:43,420
Now in scientology,
reverse the process,
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00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:45,920
And you'll make him
wake up.
429
00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:48,670
Such a man
becomes un-brainwashed,
you might say.
430
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:50,420
He becomes unhypnotized.
431
00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:52,490
This sounds, mr. Hubbard,
in a sense,
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00:21:52,510 --> 00:21:56,050
Like an extension
of psychology
or psychiatry.
433
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:59,680
Oh, no, psychiatry
has to do with the insane,
434
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,640
And we have nothing to do
with the insane whatsoever.
435
00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:04,940
Is this is a form
of psychoanalysis?
436
00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:07,020
No, psychoanalysis,
they lay back and--
437
00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:10,610
Don't associate scientology
with such people.
438
00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:14,030
That's terrible.
That's bad manners, you know?
439
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:17,700
When l. Ron hubbard
first wrote "dianetics,"
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00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:21,400
He thought it was
a tremendous psychological
breakthrough,
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00:22:21,460 --> 00:22:23,820
So much so
that he would be recognized.
442
00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:28,880
He wrote letters to
the american psychological
association.
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00:22:28,910 --> 00:22:32,700
They couldn't make heads
or tail of his ideas.
444
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,880
To them, it was like
psychological folk art.
445
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,420
For instance,
he would talk about "clear."
446
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:41,090
That means that
the individual
447
00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:43,230
Has erased
his reactive mind--
448
00:22:43,260 --> 00:22:45,600
His unconscious mind
is gone--
449
00:22:45,650 --> 00:22:47,900
And he is totally alert
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00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:49,900
And totally capable.
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00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:53,220
Once you've taken away
all these traumatic memories,
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00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,860
From this life
and previous ones,
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00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:57,360
Then you are clear.
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00:22:57,390 --> 00:23:00,190
Someone who had
a perfect memory,
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00:23:00,230 --> 00:23:03,080
Who was never ill.
456
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:04,830
Your eyesight
would be better.
457
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:07,030
We tested people
before scientology processing
458
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:08,870
And after
scientology processing,
459
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:11,590
And uniformly found
that their iq had raised.
460
00:23:11,620 --> 00:23:13,670
We are making
such individuals,
461
00:23:13,710 --> 00:23:17,380
We're making them regularly,
and we're making
them routinely.
462
00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:22,180
An overt act
is an effort to individuate.
463
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:24,930
It is a withhold
of oneself...
464
00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:26,920
Ron gave lectures
everywhere
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00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:30,940
For large amounts of money,
and money just started
pouring in.
466
00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:33,230
I mean, these people
were paying
467
00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:36,280
$500 apiece
in the 1950s
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00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:38,280
For training
in "dianetics."
469
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,030
I felt that he was stealing
from people
470
00:23:41,070 --> 00:23:43,290
And that he was
hoodwinking them.
471
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,290
All the business of sitting,
holding hands,
472
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,610
And putting
all these false memories
into people's minds...
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00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:52,000
Then they would finally
come along and say,
474
00:23:52,050 --> 00:23:54,960
"oh, yes,
i can remember it all."
475
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,500
476
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,790
We were surrounded
by sycophants.
477
00:24:01,810 --> 00:24:05,640
He began to believe
that he was a savior and hero,
478
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,150
That he really was
this god figure.
479
00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:13,730
He was absolutely convinced
480
00:24:13,770 --> 00:24:17,440
That he had the cure
for the psychological ills
of mankind,
481
00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:21,140
And that the only reason
that it wasn't being propagated
far and wide
482
00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:23,810
Was that the medical profession
had a vested interest
483
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:26,280
In keeping people sick.
484
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:28,280
I think he was afraid
that some psychiatrists
485
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,750
Would pop him
into an institution.
486
00:24:30,790 --> 00:24:35,040
He degenerated into
a really paranoid,
487
00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:37,820
Terrifying person.
488
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,880
Sara threatened
to leave hubbard
489
00:24:39,930 --> 00:24:41,510
Unless he got
psychiatric help.
490
00:24:41,550 --> 00:24:44,330
He responded
by kidnapping their baby
491
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:46,350
And taking her to cuba.
492
00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:48,940
He was incapable
of taking care of her,
493
00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:52,110
So he put her in the charge
of a mother and daughter
494
00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:54,220
Who were both
mentally retarded.
495
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,610
And they apparently kept her
in some kind of cage.
496
00:24:56,650 --> 00:25:00,610
He called me and told me
that he had killed her.
497
00:25:00,650 --> 00:25:03,350
He said he had cut her
into little pieces
498
00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:05,120
And dropped the pieces
in a river,
499
00:25:05,150 --> 00:25:07,240
And it was my fault.
500
00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:10,240
Then he'd call me back
and say that she
was still alive.
501
00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:13,380
And this went on
and on and on.
502
00:25:13,410 --> 00:25:16,210
When hubbard came back
to the u.S.,
503
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:18,550
Sara persuaded him
to agree to a divorce
504
00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:20,830
And give her custody
of their daughter.
505
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:22,800
When i left him,
he cleaned out
506
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,250
All the joint bank accounts
507
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:27,390
So that i wouldn't
have any money.
508
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,590
Hubbard soon lost
all his money, too.
509
00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:33,900
"dianetics" proved
to be a passing fad,
like the hula hoop.
510
00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:36,570
But hubbard still had
his imagination.
511
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,850
So he repackaged the ideas
of "dianetics"
512
00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:41,440
Into a religion
called scientology.
513
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,740
Hubbard added more science
and more structure.
514
00:25:45,780 --> 00:25:48,530
Along with the e-meters
came a payment plan.
515
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,370
Every step to "clear"
had a price tag.
516
00:25:52,420 --> 00:25:54,830
How would you describe
your business model?
517
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:58,120
Rapacious.
518
00:25:58,170 --> 00:26:00,510
It's all about making money.
519
00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:03,510
Hubbard, from the beginning,
knew that
520
00:26:03,550 --> 00:26:06,950
People would pay
for this counseling
at a pretty good clip,
521
00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:10,770
And so he continued
to come out with more
and more levels.
522
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,690
The real money
was in paying for these
higher and higher courses.
523
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,720
They were getting
into thousands of dollars.
524
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,030
Those prices
kept going up and up.
525
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:21,810
That's really
where scientology begins
526
00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:23,900
To create
this indoctrination,
527
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,770
Is, "it's hubbard
that came up with that,
528
00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:28,280
"only hubbard,
and you have to
be a part of our group
529
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,740
"to get
that spiritual satisfaction
you were looking for."
530
00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:33,610
The hubbard college
of scientology,
531
00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:37,080
Qualifications division,
department of certifications
and awards
532
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:39,950
Does hereby certify
that anthony a. Phillips
533
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,250
Has obtained
the state of clear.
534
00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:47,390
As more members
paid for hubbard's bridge
to total freedom,
535
00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:51,010
The church's coffers
swelled with hundreds
of millions of dollars.
536
00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:53,960
From the beginning,
hubbard tried to shelter
that revenue
537
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:55,850
From any government taxes.
538
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:57,930
The founding church
of scientology
539
00:26:57,970 --> 00:27:01,400
Attempted in 1967 to get
a court determination
540
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,770
That it was exempt
from federal taxation
541
00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:07,310
On the basis
that it was a nonprofit
religious organization.
542
00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:10,490
A federal court denied
the founding church
tax exemption,
543
00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:14,980
Saying that some
of the church's earnings
from 1955 to 1959
544
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,920
Were used for
the personal benefit
of private individuals--
545
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,320
L. Ron hubbard
and family.
546
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:25,460
"abc news" has repeatedly
requested interviews
with mr. Hubbard.
547
00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:27,960
We have been told
that he is unavailable.
548
00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,180
It was very exciting.
549
00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:51,570
It was that heady mix
of emotion and belief,
550
00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:54,790
And it's--
you get stuck to it.
551
00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:58,830
It's so strong
that it sticks you like glue,
552
00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:01,090
And there's no way
you can get away from it.
553
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,260
I was deeply convinced
554
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,700
That we were going
to save the world.
555
00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:11,250
I considered myself
tremendously fortunate
556
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:13,340
To be in that position.
557
00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:17,380
Out of the blue one day,
558
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,260
I received this envelope
559
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:22,720
With an invitation
to join the sea project.
560
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:25,250
It was completely
confidential.
561
00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:28,020
I wasn't to tell anyone
about it,
562
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:31,740
And i was so ecstatic.
563
00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:34,580
Here was a chance
to work with hubbard.
564
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:37,110
And i signed, "yes!"
565
00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:41,230
I was on my way
to the greatest adventure
in my life.
566
00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:46,120
We had an overnight flight
to las palmas in
the canary islands,
567
00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:49,880
Where we found,
at about 6:00 in the morning,
568
00:28:49,910 --> 00:28:53,180
We were taxied
down to a dock.
569
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:55,930
We had to climb up
this rickety ladder,
570
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:58,220
All the way up
to the ship,
571
00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:00,720
And we couldn't believe
this was where we were going.
572
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,060
This ship
was a rusty hulk.
573
00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:07,560
I was given a dirty
old jumpsuit to get into,
574
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,360
Missing one arm
and the other one was
almost half torn off,
575
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,570
And put to work.
We had to scrub the ship
and clean out the ship,
576
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,210
Which was arduous,
strenuous work,
577
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,910
In the heat.
578
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:23,130
Hubbard came
to the ship every day,
579
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,250
Smoking cigarettes
and surveying his kingdom.
580
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,950
After dinner,
he'd come and join us
581
00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:32,170
On the well deck.
582
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:34,450
There he was, you know,
right amongst us,
583
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:36,260
Talking to us.
584
00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:40,010
He would be
his most magnificent self
585
00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:42,400
At those times.
586
00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:45,970
He'd lean back,
he'd look up at the cosmos,
587
00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:49,350
And he'd point out galaxies
588
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,240
And constellations,
589
00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:54,160
And he'd say,
"the fifth invaders
are up there,
590
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:57,080
"and this is how they dressed
and this is how they talk.
591
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:59,700
"and see that blip
across the sky over there?"
592
00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:03,650
He'd point it out,
and we were all,
"yes, we see it, we see it."
593
00:30:03,670 --> 00:30:06,000
He'd say, "and that's one
of their space vessels..."
594
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,490
And there was-- the fourth
invader force was here.
595
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:12,210
The fifth invader force
came in.
596
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:16,210
And the name
of this solar system
is space station 33.
597
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,930
The fourth invader force
had been there
598
00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:21,220
For god knows how many
skillion years,
599
00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:22,690
Had been sitting down...
600
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:25,050
...And we'd sit there,
spellbound.
601
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:28,390
You could hear a pin drop
on that ship.
602
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,110
He had us emotionally
captured and held
603
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:36,700
Right there
in the palm of his hand
where he wanted us.
604
00:30:36,730 --> 00:30:38,990
He had us right there.
605
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,620
In the early '60s,
606
00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:45,320
Hubbard was
under investigation
in various countries.
607
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,290
His solution was to take
to the high seas.
608
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:51,460
He made himself commodore
of a fleet of three ships,
609
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,400
A scientology navy.
610
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,220
To crew the vessels,
611
00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:57,870
He created
the sea organization.
612
00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:00,170
The members of
this so-called sea org
613
00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:02,590
Would become
the church's clergy.
614
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,340
They began going
from port to port
615
00:31:05,380 --> 00:31:08,260
In the mediterranean,
show up for a few days,
616
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,730
And then go off-- sail off
in some other direction.
617
00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:13,220
And a very enterprising
reporter
618
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,390
For grenada television
in britain
619
00:31:15,410 --> 00:31:16,720
Tracked him down...
620
00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:18,490
Slate one,
take one.
621
00:31:18,530 --> 00:31:20,530
That's one
of the very few instances
622
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,530
Where hubbard has actually
appeared on camera.
623
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:26,750
What are you actually doing
624
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:28,620
On this ship now?
625
00:31:28,670 --> 00:31:31,740
I am studying
ancient civilizations,
626
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,170
Trying to find
what happened to them,
627
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:37,710
Finding out
why they went...
628
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:41,410
Into a decline,
why they died.
629
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:45,430
Hubbard believed that
he had lived various lives
630
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:49,440
In the mediterranean area
as a venetian prince,
631
00:31:49,470 --> 00:31:51,770
As an italian prince.
632
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:53,640
As a matter of fact,
it's quite interesting
633
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,430
That exercises
can be conducted,
634
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:59,280
Which demonstrate conclusively
that there are memories
635
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,400
Which exist prior
to this life.
636
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,870
He had buried treasure
all around the coastline,
637
00:32:04,910 --> 00:32:09,460
And he wanted to go find
all these caches of treasure.
638
00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:12,750
We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
639
00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:16,120
Whatever was
his whim, we did.
640
00:32:16,150 --> 00:32:18,080
We would have died
for the old man.
641
00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:20,790
Don't you wake up
sometimes
642
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:23,420
In the middle of the night
and think to yourself,
643
00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:25,760
"well, i've been on this ship
with a whole lot
644
00:32:25,790 --> 00:32:28,290
"of scientologists
who believe i'm fantastic..."
645
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:30,230
They don't believe
i'm fantastic.
646
00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:34,980
If you saw the number of times
they don't follow my orders...
647
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:38,800
Lrh started to devise
648
00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:41,740
A system of penalties
or punishments
649
00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:43,360
Or what he called ethics.
650
00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:46,280
And one of the penalties
for the auditors
651
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:48,500
Making mistakes
in their auditing sessions
652
00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:50,700
Was to be tossed
overboard.
653
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:53,370
"you have done such and such
and such and such,
654
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:56,010
"and we commit your errors
to the deep."
655
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,290
And then just pushed
overboard.
656
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:02,510
30 feet, 35 feet,
657
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:23,520
Do you ever think that
you might be quite mad?
658
00:33:23,530 --> 00:33:25,850
Oh, yes!
659
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:29,290
The one man in the world
who never believes he's mad
660
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,540
Is the madman.
661
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,640
662
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:53,580
So we got married a year
and a half after we joined
663
00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:56,180
And moved to california.
I wanted to be a writer,
664
00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:58,580
And my wife--
she was studying scientology.
665
00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:01,120
We had a baby right away,
and the only people
666
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,220
We knew there
were scientologists.
667
00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:05,860
I was working
as a furniture mover
during the day
668
00:34:05,890 --> 00:34:08,560
And writing spec scripts
at night.
669
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,230
Then on the weekends, i'd be,
you know, doing some auditing.
670
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,030
Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
671
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,400
There was
a social aspect to it too.
672
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:15,870
You got to hang out
with people.
673
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:18,900
And there were some
interesting people,
nice people.
674
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,920
These are all people
who are looking to improve
their life.
675
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,870
While hubbard was hiding
from public view,
676
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,930
He was very active
in directing the operations
of the church,
677
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:51,070
Particularly
in hollywood.
678
00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:53,570
This was just after
the haight-ashbury era.
679
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:56,240
And what scientology
was selling itself is,
680
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,710
"get high
without drugs."
681
00:34:58,750 --> 00:35:01,960
It was a place
where people went
and explored ideas,
682
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,800
And you would often see
famous people--
683
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,090
Leonard cohen,
members of the grateful dead,
684
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,840
Rock hudson.
685
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:12,510
So they built
the celebrity centre.
686
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,130
The idea was to draw in
these famous entertainers
687
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:20,230
And use them as pitchmen
for the religion.
688
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:22,070
In an industry
like hollywood,
689
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:25,770
Where stardom is such--
such an illusive quality,
690
00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:29,840
Scientology would offer
a route to maybe feel
a little bit more secure.
691
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,950
And when you're
trying to break in,
you're also dealing with
692
00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:34,660
Relentless rejection.
693
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:36,580
And something
that helps you stay focused
694
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:39,170
And feel that
you're improving yourself
695
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,710
And becoming more clear,
you can see the appeal of that.
696
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,540
The beliefs and practices
that i have studied
in scientology
697
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,380
Have been invaluable to me.
698
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:52,460
Have you ever met
ron hubbard?
699
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,300
I'd love to.
I'd be honored, because
i think he's so brilliant.
700
00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:02,310
So when i worked
at the celebrity centre,
701
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:05,640
I would just, you know,
recruit various people.
702
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,780
Like priscilla presley
and of course john travolta.
703
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:12,900
Johnny-- he came,
he started on course,
704
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:15,490
And he was so fun
and outrageous.
705
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,760
And he just made a party
wherever he was.
706
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:21,040
John travolta
was a young actor
707
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,360
In his very first movie.
708
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:26,720
He was a troubled young man,
709
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:28,220
And he was looking
for help.
710
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:32,250
A fellow actor gave him
a little bit of scientology
counseling.
711
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:34,060
She gave him a copy
of "dianetics,"
712
00:36:34,090 --> 00:36:36,340
And he was transported
by this.
713
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:37,710
He would go out
on his auditions,
714
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:39,210
And no matter
what he went out for,
715
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:42,060
He would get it.
716
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,400
A band-aid commercial,
right away he booked that.
717
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,900
Now the army starts you...
718
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:47,440
He was booking everything,
719
00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:49,740
And then he went up
for a series.
720
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:51,240
Of course, he books it.
721
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,780
And it's a big series--
"welcome back, kotter."
722
00:36:53,830 --> 00:36:55,580
Up your nose
with a rubber hose!
723
00:36:57,580 --> 00:36:59,580
In the late '70s
and early '80s,
724
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:03,270
John travolta
was scientology's
biggest star.
725
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:07,170
Spanky was assigned to be
travolta's key contact
with the church,
726
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:10,810
And she helped out
with producers, fans,
and the press.
727
00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:13,950
They became close,
and when spanky got married,
728
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:15,680
Travolta was there.
729
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,620
When johnny first
got into scientology,
730
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:20,770
He didn't even believe in
himself that much.
731
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:23,360
But he got injected
with a lot of confidence,
732
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:25,770
And then you get
this phobia inducement
733
00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:28,890
That "if i leave,
it's all going to go
down the tubes."
734
00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:30,980
When you're in
the organization,
735
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:33,200
All the good
that happens to you
736
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:34,930
Is because of scientology,
737
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:37,990
And everything that doesn't,
that isn't good, is your fault.
738
00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:42,770
They sell it all
in the beginning as something
quite logical.
739
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:45,410
Everything makes sense.
740
00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:47,880
And you're going up
what they call the bridge,
741
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,000
You're dong this auditing,
and this is good.
742
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:52,220
And the next one,
well, it's not quite as good.
743
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:55,090
It didn't quite make sense
to you, but...
744
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,920
You know, you've already
paid for the next one,
so you'll do that one.
745
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:02,790
The bridge--
it's a metaphor.
746
00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:05,300
You start here
at the bottom of the bridge
747
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,150
And then you go to the top,
so where it is--
748
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:09,320
It's an awareness scale.
749
00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:12,600
You start down here
and you're not aware
of anything,
750
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,160
Then you go up here
and you're a lot more aware
751
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:17,830
Of who you are,
752
00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:22,280
Your spirituality,
your relationship to others.
753
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,450
A person is supposed to
become more able
754
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:27,200
As they go up the bridge.
755
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:31,320
And then there are
the ot levels--
756
00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:33,010
Operating thetan.
757
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,160
And a thetan
is a spiritual being.
758
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:37,660
That's the soul
of the person.
759
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,300
And what level, over time,
did you achieve?
760
00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:43,000
Ot eight.
That's the highest there is.
761
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:45,520
You can't get any higher
than ot eight.
762
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,360
From the beginning,
you hear these stories
763
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:50,190
People tell of these abilities
they've been able to gain.
764
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:53,850
It was always talked about,
the people who were ot
could read your mind,
765
00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:56,450
And they could
move objects at will,
766
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,490
And they could--
they were cause over matter,
energy, space, and time,
767
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,370
So it sounded
damn good to me.
768
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:05,860
I mean, i thought,
"wow, this is great."
769
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,080
I finally get to ot three,
770
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:12,050
And they give me
the secret materials,
771
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,750
Which i've been hearing about
all this time.
772
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800
They're handwritten
by hubbard.
773
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,390
You have to keep them
in a locked briefcase,
774
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:20,470
Be very cautious,
because they always said,
775
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:22,510
"if this gets out,
it's dangerous to people.
776
00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:26,680
"it could actually
do them harm if they
are not adequately prepared."
777
00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:30,380
And i read it.
778
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,680
And...
779
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,900
It doesn't make any sense.
780
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:37,860
This gobbled story
that didn't make sense.
781
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:41,940
I remember for
one fleeting second thinking,
"maybe it's an insanity test.
782
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,750
"maybe if you believe this,
they kick you out.
783
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:47,000
"you know, maybe that's it."
that, of course,
is not the case.
784
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:50,340
They talk about, you know,
the fact that the earth
was created
785
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:52,700
In such-and-such trillions
of years ago,
786
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:55,960
And this guy--
space guy--
787
00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:58,760
Galactic overlord--
this was a prison planet,
788
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,510
And people being
caught, captured,
789
00:40:01,550 --> 00:40:03,220
And being brought
to planet earth...
790
00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:06,640
And put them in volcanoes
and blowing them up
with a-bombs.
791
00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:08,440
Whoa!
792
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:10,920
I studied geography
in school.
793
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:14,260
Those volcanoes didn't exist
75 million years ago.
794
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,430
And we have these lost souls
all over us
795
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:19,600
And we have
to get rid of them,
and i'm going,
796
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:23,490
"what... The fuck
are you talking about?
797
00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:26,120
"i mean, i'm down
for the self-help stuff.
798
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,660
"i'm down for--
okay, i can be clear.
799
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:30,210
"i can get rid of
the negative emotions.
800
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:31,440
"but what the fuck is this?"
801
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:37,550
When you get
to the upper levels
of scientology,
802
00:40:37,590 --> 00:40:39,640
The creation myth
is explained to you.
803
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:44,170
The story is that
75 million years ago,
804
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:46,790
People lived in a world
very much like the world
805
00:40:46,810 --> 00:40:49,430
Of america
in the 1950s.
806
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:51,650
People, at that particular
time and space,
807
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,100
Were walking around
in clothes which looked
808
00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:57,850
Very remarkably like
the clothes they wear
in this very minute.
809
00:40:57,910 --> 00:41:01,470
And the cars they drove
looked exactly the same,
810
00:41:01,490 --> 00:41:05,030
And they walked down streets
that looked like these streets.
811
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,450
It was a very similar world
812
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,780
And similar problems,
813
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:11,120
One of which
was overpopulation.
814
00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:12,870
They had elected a fellow
815
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,820
By the name of xenu
to the supreme ruler.
816
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,920
There was a tyrannical overlord
817
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,660
Of the galactic confederacy
named xenu.
818
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,380
In order
to resolve this problem
of overpopulation,
819
00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:25,850
He called people in,
820
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,350
Ostensibly for tax audits,
821
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:31,640
And had them frozen
with injections
822
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:33,670
Of glycol to their heart.
823
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:36,310
Boxed them up in boxes,
threw 'em into space planes--
824
00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:39,230
Dc-8 airplane
is the exact copy
825
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,230
Of the space plane
of that day.
826
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,320
They were flown to
the prison planet, teegeeack--
827
00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:47,820
It's actually
the planet earth--
828
00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:52,740
And these frozen bodies
were then dropped
into volcanoes.
829
00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:54,960
And then they set off
hydrogen bombs
830
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
On the top of each volcano.
831
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:59,300
And their
disembodied spirits--
832
00:41:59,330 --> 00:42:01,130
These are called thetans--
833
00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:04,090
Floated out,
and they were captured
834
00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:07,260
And forced to sit
in front of movie screens.
835
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:10,840
With a 3d, super colossal,
motion picture.
836
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,890
They were shown images--
837
00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:15,180
Implants,
as hubbard would have it.
838
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:16,900
Every man is shown crucified,
839
00:42:16,930 --> 00:42:19,570
So is the psychiatrist
shown crucified.
840
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,320
And that's how he gets away
with what he gets away with.
841
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,520
He electric-shocks people.
842
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:27,390
And when a child is born,
843
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:30,780
A thetan will leap inside
the child's body
844
00:42:30,830 --> 00:42:34,230
At that very instant,
and it becomes like
the child's soul.
845
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:37,590
More than one thetan
might crowd into the body--
846
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:40,410
Hundreds,
or thousands, might.
847
00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:42,460
They're the source
of all of our neurosis,
848
00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:44,010
Fears, and anxieties.
849
00:42:46,050 --> 00:42:48,080
Then you are
on the e-meter,
850
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:49,460
By yourself, now.
851
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,930
You're soloing.
852
00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:54,350
You're supposed
to scan, mentally,
853
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:56,770
From your top of your head
to your toes,
854
00:42:56,810 --> 00:43:00,860
To see if you can locate
any alien beings.
855
00:43:00,890 --> 00:43:04,260
And when you do,
you tell them to go away.
856
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,930
I kept on trying to audit.
857
00:43:07,950 --> 00:43:12,290
I could not figure out
how i could have
858
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,540
All these spirits
of dead people
attached to me,
859
00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:17,380
Inside me, on me.
860
00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:19,440
I was clear.
861
00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:22,000
For god's sake,
i was clear.
862
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:24,170
People actually
have breakdowns,
863
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:25,630
You know,
nervous breakdowns,
864
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:28,170
Because they spend
so much time thinking
865
00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:31,220
About being infested
by these creatures.
866
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:35,430
If you're
really believing that,
it can drive you crazy.
867
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,770
868
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:49,490
Those years of introspection
869
00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:53,280
Eventually led me
to sincerely considering
870
00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:57,080
That i was so bad,
871
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,620
That i couldn't confront
how bad i was.
872
00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:04,210
I didn't know it
at the time,
873
00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:07,460
But a depression set in
that was with me for years,
874
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:10,510
And the worst thing was
875
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:14,720
That lrh kept ordering me
to more auditing.
876
00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:18,300
I had to find swords
that were stuck in me--
877
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:20,440
Hypothetical swords,
878
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:23,680
Imaginary swords that
were causing all this pain.
879
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:26,610
This auditing
went on and on.
880
00:44:26,650 --> 00:44:28,400
It wasn't doing any good.
881
00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:30,850
I should have been
left alone.
882
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:34,200
But everything
that i took offense with,
883
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,960
I rationalized
almost immediately.
884
00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:38,760
I had to.
885
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:42,660
I could not continue
in this game of scientology
886
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:46,750
Without explaining away
what he was doing.
887
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,300
It got to be
a way of believing,
888
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:55,560
And every one of us
got into that.
889
00:44:55,590 --> 00:44:59,560
It was part
of the mind control.
890
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,270
It was part of
the cultic manipulation.
891
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,600
He was the master
who did it to us,
892
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:10,820
And we took it on
and then we did it
to ourselves.
893
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:13,490
And i learned from it,
894
00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:16,700
That i would
never ever again,
895
00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:19,360
You know, go--
do the bidding of a tyrant.
896
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:29,540
897
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:32,940
Hubbard questioned
his own sanity
898
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:36,050
And actually wrote a letter
to the veteran's administration
899
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,920
Asking for psychiatric help
900
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:41,350
That he seems
never to have been given.
901
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:45,440
I think
that his whole creation
of scientology
902
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,760
Really was a form
of self-therapy.
903
00:45:47,780 --> 00:45:50,950
If he were just a fraud,
then at some point,
904
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:52,900
He would have
taken the money and run,
905
00:45:52,930 --> 00:45:54,320
But he never did that.
906
00:45:54,370 --> 00:45:57,120
He spent much of his day
on the e-meter,
907
00:45:57,150 --> 00:45:59,270
Trying to understand
what was going on
908
00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:01,110
Inside his own mind.
909
00:46:02,830 --> 00:46:04,740
Hubbard became
increasingly paranoid
910
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:07,280
That a powerful thetan
had infected his body
911
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,250
And that regular auditing
912
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,000
Wasn't strong enough
to make it leave.
913
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:13,750
When larry wright
was researching his book,
914
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:16,420
He videotaped an interview
with a scientologist
915
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:19,810
Who was asked
to help hubbard
expel the thetan.
916
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,260
He was having,
uh, problems
917
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:25,350
Getting rid of a bt--
body thetan--
918
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,070
So he wanted me
to build a machine,
919
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:30,600
And basically
blow the thetan away,
920
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:32,020
Just get him out of there.
921
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:34,660
Blow him out.
And also kill the body.
922
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:38,980
Basically, yeah.
Yeah.
923
00:46:40,450 --> 00:46:42,150
But i didn't
want to kill him.
924
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:44,050
I just wanted
to scare him.
925
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,170
So i had read some books
about nikola tesla and stuff,
926
00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:50,510
And i figured maybe
buildin' a tesla coil
927
00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:53,260
Would probably be
the best route to go.
928
00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:56,630
I had little electrodes
929
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:58,550
That you hook it up
to the e-meter,
930
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,660
So when he's on the cans,
931
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,800
Then, uh, he would
just flip the button,
932
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,000
And it would do its thing.
933
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:10,680
As far as i know.
He blew up my e-meter.
934
00:47:10,690 --> 00:47:12,360
Burned it up.
935
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:17,700
Scientology
really is a journey
936
00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:20,150
Into the mind
of l. Ron hubbard.
937
00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:23,370
And the further
you get into it,
938
00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:26,710
The more like
l. Ron hubbard
you become.
939
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,340
Thank you.
940
00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:42,140
In 1980,
lrh moved off the lines
941
00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:45,310
So that he could
continue his writings
942
00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:48,510
And researches
without any distractions.
943
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:56,100
He has now moved on
to his next ot--
944
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,660
Level of ot research.
945
00:47:58,690 --> 00:48:02,060
This level is beyond anything
any one of us ever imagined.
946
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,860
This level is in fact done
947
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:07,730
In an exterior state,
948
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:10,170
Meaning that it is done
completely exterior
949
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,170
From the body.
950
00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:15,070
At this level of ot,
951
00:48:15,090 --> 00:48:16,540
The body is nothing more
952
00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:19,240
Than an impediment
and encumbrance
953
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:22,130
To any further gain
as an ot.
954
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:26,050
Thus...
955
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,420
Thus, at 2000 hours,
956
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,690
Friday,
the 24th of january,
957
00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:35,440
A.D. 36,
958
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,480
L. Ron hubbard
discarded the body
959
00:48:37,530 --> 00:48:39,650
He had used
in this lifetime
960
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,790
For 74 years,
10 months, and 11 days.
961
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:46,070
Although you may feel grief,
962
00:48:46,110 --> 00:48:49,910
Understand that he did not,
and does not now.
963
00:48:52,750 --> 00:48:56,450
Hubbard died
of a stroke in 1986,
964
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:59,380
But he left no plan
for succession.
965
00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:02,140
The ambitious david miscavige
stepped forward,
966
00:49:02,170 --> 00:49:04,960
And by bending arms
and making deals,
967
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:06,620
Took control of the church
968
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,560
And installed
a new generation
of lieutenants.
969
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,260
We want to make sure
970
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:14,770
That all of us end cycle
on this completely,
971
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:17,940
So we can get on
with the job
972
00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:19,800
That is ahead of us.
973
00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:23,530
The first time i met
miscavige was in '83.
974
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:25,360
He was a guy
running back and forth
975
00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:28,830
Between hubbard
and the property
in hemet in a van--
976
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:32,200
Back and forth,
delivering messages.
977
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:34,840
Worked my way
through the organization.
978
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:37,370
Miscavige would
come down to florida,
979
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:39,170
Where i was
running the place,
980
00:49:39,210 --> 00:49:42,290
And we slowly
but surely became friends.
981
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:45,530
By 2001,
i was working directly
for miscavige.
982
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:48,600
We'd sit and drink
a bottle of scotch,
983
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,870
And i'd hear
everything he had to say
about the church,
984
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,570
And about the people involved,
from his perspective.
985
00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:56,860
And honestly, it was--
it was, uh, horrifying.
It was scary.
986
00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:59,510
In scientology,
there was a concept
987
00:49:59,530 --> 00:50:02,680
That 98% of the people
are good and 2% are evil.
988
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,320
Well, he worked very hard
to convince me
989
00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:06,950
That it was
the other way around.
990
00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:10,240
2.5% were okay
and the rest were
very evil and bad.
991
00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:13,540
And somehow,
they'd all been dumped
on that base
992
00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:15,210
So they could be around him.
993
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:17,410
He was--
he was extremely paranoid.
994
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:21,220
So, marty, is miscavige
a true believer?
995
00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:26,000
Uh, yes.
996
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,310
He has to
continue to believe,
997
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:30,110
Because if he looks
at it rationally
998
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:32,580
And he sees that it
is as i say,
999
00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:34,350
It will destroy him.
1000
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:36,560
You know,
he'll just realize that--
1001
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,100
Because he's done
a lot worse than i've done.
1002
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:42,990
He's abused people
on a personal level,
1003
00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:46,910
Um, as a-- as a--
that's how he got to the top,
1004
00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:49,940
And that's how
he stayed at the top.
1005
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,360
At the age of 11,
1006
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,620
David miscavige
joined the church
with his parents.
1007
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:58,620
As a child, his ambition
caught hubbard's eye.
1008
00:50:58,670 --> 00:51:00,870
So when hubbard wanted
to become a filmmaker,
1009
00:51:00,910 --> 00:51:03,710
Miscavige was
his assistant cameraman.
1010
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:05,340
An auditing prodigy,
1011
00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:07,810
He claimed scientology
cured his asthma.
1012
00:51:07,850 --> 00:51:11,600
He became a sort of
general contractor
for the church,
1013
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,770
And was soon named
action chief--
1014
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,470
The man who did
whatever needed doing
for a church
1015
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,920
That developed
a scary reputation
1016
00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:20,730
For attacking its critics.
1017
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,440
Scientology has been
in the headlines
1018
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,950
Off and on
for 25 years now,
1019
00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:26,760
Almost since the time
it was founded as a religion.
1020
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:28,980
Scientology's story
is one of a church
1021
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,870
Embittered by what
it perceives as harassment.
1022
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:33,200
We're talking about attacks
1023
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,110
From multi-billion dollar
media conglomerates,
1024
00:51:35,130 --> 00:51:38,630
World governments--
real powers of the world.
1025
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:41,330
They take enemies
very seriously.
1026
00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:43,050
This comes right out
of hubbard's own policies
1027
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,120
From the '60s,
saying, "we never defend,
we always attack."
1028
00:51:46,140 --> 00:51:48,140
And they have followed it
ever since.
1029
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:49,450
They call it "fair game,"
1030
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:52,590
And anybody who criticizes
scientology is fair game.
1031
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:54,140
Whatever you're told,
1032
00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:56,060
Whatever needs to be done,
1033
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,600
If it's against the law,
it doesn't matter.
1034
00:51:58,650 --> 00:52:00,980
The best example is,
in the mid '70s,
1035
00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:04,770
Scientologists were
walking in to these
department of justice offices
1036
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,610
And irs offices
and taking documents
out by the yard.
1037
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,860
The fbi raided
the church of scientology--
1038
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:13,080
The largest raid
in fbi history
at that time.
1039
00:52:13,110 --> 00:52:15,580
Oh my god.
The building
is filled with fbi,
1040
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:17,370
And they're--
they're taking things.
1041
00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:19,150
It was craziness.
1042
00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:22,590
Clearly, l. Ron hubbard
was in charge of all of that,
1043
00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:24,690
But he was only named
an unindicted co-conspirator.
1044
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,620
And mary sue hubbard,
hubbard's wife,
1045
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:29,880
She went to prison,
10 others went to prison.
1046
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:32,430
This was where
i cut my teeth.
I was in my early 20s,
1047
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:34,130
Miscavige
was in his early 20s.
1048
00:52:34,170 --> 00:52:35,880
We were taking over
for this group
1049
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:38,720
That had created
the largest domestic
espionage operation
1050
00:52:38,770 --> 00:52:40,360
In the history
of the united states.
1051
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:41,860
They were
breaking into offices,
1052
00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:44,640
Framing people.
This is the activities
of a church?
1053
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,140
There was a guy who,
uh, you know,
1054
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:48,200
Was a reporter
for "the la times,"
1055
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:49,530
Whose dog was poisoned
1056
00:52:49,570 --> 00:52:51,780
While he was working
on a scientology story.
1057
00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:54,040
Again and again
while reporting the story,
1058
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:56,960
We met many former members
who describe scientology
1059
00:52:56,990 --> 00:53:00,360
As a dangerous and deeply
paranoid organization.
1060
00:53:00,380 --> 00:53:03,130
They hired private detectives
to harass people.
1061
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,550
I have been sued twice.
1062
00:53:04,580 --> 00:53:05,800
Financial ruin.
1063
00:53:05,830 --> 00:53:07,000
Years of harassment.
1064
00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:08,870
Their homes broken into,
have them beaten.
1065
00:53:08,890 --> 00:53:12,000
We chased her around.
We followed her
to the airport.
1066
00:53:12,060 --> 00:53:14,390
Gotten ahold of
personal phone records.
1067
00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:16,810
Slashed their tires,
break their car windows.
1068
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,180
I was locked
in a chicken wire cage.
1069
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:22,680
Dangerous, horrifying,
terrifying fraud.
1070
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:24,520
A nightmare.
1071
00:53:24,550 --> 00:53:26,480
Many of their stories
are corroborated
1072
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,850
In sworn court testimony
by up to a dozen other people.
1073
00:53:29,890 --> 00:53:31,570
Are they all lying?
1074
00:53:31,610 --> 00:53:32,770
They sat in a room,
1075
00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:34,230
They figured out
what they were going to say...
1076
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,080
My position,
as the spokesperson,
1077
00:53:37,110 --> 00:53:40,530
Was to evade
the question,
1078
00:53:40,570 --> 00:53:42,620
Or sleaze around some way,
1079
00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:44,620
Or give what
was an acceptable answer,
1080
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:46,750
Or something
that i believed at the time.
1081
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:48,710
Please welcome
mr. Mike rinder.
1082
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:58,100
Because scientology
is perceived
1083
00:53:58,130 --> 00:54:00,850
And conceived
by scientologists
1084
00:54:00,890 --> 00:54:04,220
As being the salvation
for mankind,
1085
00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:07,060
You can have people
that lie
1086
00:54:07,090 --> 00:54:09,930
With a very straight face
1087
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:12,480
If they believe
that what they are doing
1088
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:15,270
Is protecting
the church of scientology.
1089
00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:16,530
L. Ron hubbard says,
1090
00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:18,770
"we do not find critics
of scientology
1091
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:20,200
"who do not
have criminal pasts."
1092
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,460
Do you believe that?
Sure.
1093
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:25,040
People who oppose you
are undoubtedly criminals?
1094
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,490
I believe that, yeah.
1095
00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:29,050
You know, there isn't
and hasn't been
1096
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,750
Any effort
which has been taken to,
1097
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:33,630
Quote,
"silence critics."
1098
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:35,640
"no, that doesn't happen.
1099
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:38,170
"oh, we would never do that."
1100
00:54:38,260 --> 00:54:40,170
But according
to many insiders,
1101
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:42,090
Hubbard was growing
more and more vindictive
1102
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:43,590
Toward those
who stood in his way.
1103
00:54:43,630 --> 00:54:48,520
He created what he called
the rehabilitation
project force.
1104
00:54:48,570 --> 00:54:51,270
The rpf was
what we called it.
1105
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:52,600
It was the prison camp,
1106
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,190
Where you'd go
for re-indoctrination.
1107
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,110
It was on the 7th floor
1108
00:54:57,140 --> 00:54:59,160
Of the hollywood
headquarters,
1109
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,330
A confined space
to rehabilitate members
1110
00:55:02,370 --> 00:55:04,820
Who might be harboring
subversive thoughts.
1111
00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:07,000
Spanky was sent to the rpf
1112
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,870
When she objected
to the way the church
1113
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,290
Had denied medical treatment
to her boss.
1114
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,710
I went thinking, of course,
1115
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,340
This is a big mistake.
1116
00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:17,930
And then i got there,
and there were like
200 of us.
1117
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,880
So much of the exec strata
of the organization there
1118
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:22,880
Hit the skids
simultaneously.
1119
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:26,640
Rpf stands for
rehabilitation project force.
1120
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,970
It is a program
that is exclusively
1121
00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:32,690
For the benefit
of sea organization members.
1122
00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:35,200
If they are stressed out,
1123
00:55:35,230 --> 00:55:37,010
If they're not doing well
on their job,
1124
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:40,280
Have them do
menial-type work,
1125
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,070
And five hours a day
of auditing
1126
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,460
And scientology training.
1127
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:48,080
It's a fabulous program.
1128
00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:50,550
We were working--
cross my heart--
1129
00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:52,830
30 hours on,
three hours off.
1130
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:54,200
Doing, like, hard labor,
1131
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:56,370
Like having wire brushes
on windowsills,
1132
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:58,140
And sanding
and sanding and sanding.
1133
00:55:58,170 --> 00:55:59,500
Breathing paint fumes.
1134
00:55:59,540 --> 00:56:01,710
The regular crew
would eat first,
1135
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:03,510
And then we'd get
what was left.
1136
00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:05,390
It was kinda
like table scraps.
1137
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:08,210
There was mattresses
out there on the roof,
1138
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:10,710
And they were wet
and soggy and gross.
1139
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:12,650
And if you got to sleep
for three hours,
1140
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:16,150
Sometimes you'd just have to
up there and crash out.
1141
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:20,090
And i had a young child
at that time,
1142
00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:22,460
Who was 10 months old
when i went to the rpf.
1143
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:24,360
She got taken
and put in the cadet org,
1144
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,170
The organization
for the children.
1145
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,950
And then i--
i got pregnant
1146
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,920
When i was in the rpf.
1147
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,240
So now i'm sanding walls,
eating table scraps,
1148
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:40,680
Pregnant,
and worrying myself sick
about my child.
1149
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:43,010
In spanky's time,
the children
1150
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:45,020
Of sea org members
were separated
1151
00:56:45,050 --> 00:56:47,100
From their parents
and raised in the cadet org
1152
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:48,970
To remove all distractions
1153
00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:51,520
From their parent's
ultimate responsibility,
1154
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,520
To clear the planet.
1155
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,140
Sea org members
were often pressured
to have abortions,
1156
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,430
Because the church
viewed "getting children"
1157
00:56:59,450 --> 00:57:01,930
As an unpractical burden.
1158
00:57:01,950 --> 00:57:04,120
Initially, you're like,
"this is absurd.
1159
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:05,290
"this is nuts."
1160
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,070
And then you kinda
settle in and go, "well...
1161
00:57:09,110 --> 00:57:13,610
"obviously, i need
to deal with something
1162
00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:15,280
"that i'm not facing.
1163
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,000
"so perhaps this is--
1164
00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:19,080
"they're doing this
to make me better."
1165
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:25,670
There are so many
bizarre stories that you--
1166
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:27,930
Just hard
to believe stuff.
1167
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,960
They asked
if i could arrange
a private screening
1168
00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:31,350
Of "saturday night fever."
1169
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,070
And i was like, "what?"
1170
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:36,800
"i had disappeared
from this man's life.
1171
00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:38,520
"i abandoned him,
1172
00:57:38,570 --> 00:57:40,970
"and now you
want me to arrange
a private screening?
1173
00:57:40,990 --> 00:57:42,360
"what are you--"
1174
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:45,140
I said,
"is there anything else?
Maybe a beatles reunion?"
1175
00:57:47,530 --> 00:57:50,110
Travolta had been wondering
where spanky was.
1176
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:51,500
When she was sent
to the rpf,
1177
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:54,700
She was not allowed
to contact him
or anyone else.
1178
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:56,820
But now,
under the watch of a guard,
1179
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,820
She was permitted
to call travolta's assistant.
1180
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,160
She said we could
use john's personal print
of the film,
1181
00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:05,930
Under one condition--
that you will see john.
1182
00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:07,880
I was so excited.
1183
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:11,670
I hadn't had dialogue
with him for many months.
1184
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:14,060
We had the screening
of the film,
1185
00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:15,520
And on the next night,
1186
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,310
I was supposed
to have dinner with johnny.
1187
00:58:18,340 --> 00:58:20,010
And after
the screening,
1188
00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:22,900
I was abruptly told
i wasn't going to see him,
1189
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:24,820
And i needed
to call and cancel.
1190
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:29,690
He was truly angry
at me for-- for--
1191
00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:32,790
For having allowed this abuse
of myself, you know,
1192
00:58:32,830 --> 00:58:36,460
And for having that--
so little of myself...
1193
00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:41,220
That i would allow
this degree of degradation,
1194
00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:44,370
And, and um--
and--
1195
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:46,170
And he was my good friend,
1196
00:58:46,210 --> 00:58:49,590
And i knew that he was
telling me the truth.
1197
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:54,010
Those words were
such a wakeup call for me.
1198
00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:57,210
And i went over there,
to the cadet org.
1199
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:58,930
There were so many
sick children in there,
1200
00:58:59,020 --> 00:59:01,150
And my daughter
was very, very ill--
1201
00:59:01,190 --> 00:59:05,190
Burning up with fever,
completely neglected,
1202
00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:07,740
In a urine-soaked crib.
1203
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:10,560
Her eyes were
so filled with mucus,
1204
00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:12,910
They were welded shut.
1205
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:15,450
She had fruit flies
on her body.
1206
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:18,900
And i just--
i couldn't bear it.
1207
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,510
I just went,
"no, mmm-mmm, i'm done."
1208
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:25,240
I mean, i just knew
i could make these choices
for me.
1209
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:27,210
I could decide
to give up my life
1210
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:29,180
And do this
to help the world,
1211
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,470
But i couldn't
make these choices
for my children.
1212
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,630
I just had to get her out.
1213
00:59:35,590 --> 00:59:38,690
I told them
that i was having problems
with my pregnancy,
1214
00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:40,730
And i needed
to use the phone,
1215
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,560
So they sent
a bodyguard with me.
1216
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,480
I called one of the few
non-scientologists i knew,
1217
00:59:46,530 --> 00:59:49,280
A wonderful woman who happened
to work for john travolta.
1218
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,870
I said,
"meet me at this address."
1219
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:53,700
I gave her a time
and i hung up.
1220
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:56,710
I go up to my daughter's room,
and i wrapped her up.
1221
00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:01,750
And there's
that bodyguard with me.
1222
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,880
I said,
"oh, my sister-in-law
is in that car
1223
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,280
"and she's gonna
take the baby to the doctor."
1224
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:07,720
He said, "well,
has this been approved?"
1225
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:10,300
"of course
it was approved!"
1226
01:00:10,340 --> 01:00:12,810
She's in my arms,
and i got in the car.
1227
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,510
My friend,
she just nods her head.
1228
01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:19,350
Boom! With that,
i pull my leg in,
shut that door.
1229
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,650
She hits the locks,
and we drive.
1230
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,270
And people
are yelling my name,
1231
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,320
Saying, "spanky, no! No!"
1232
01:00:25,350 --> 01:00:27,410
I mean, just freaked out.
1233
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,320
I'm thinkin'
"i'm a dead person,
1234
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,780
"something terrible
is gonna happen to me."
1235
01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:33,660
I was just so frightened
1236
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,860
That they would come
to fetch me up.
1237
01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:43,120
One of the turning points
1238
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,520
In travolta's relationship
with the church
1239
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,180
Is when he understood
what was happening to spanky,
1240
01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:51,660
He didn't
do anything about it.
1241
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,430
I know that
he certainly got exposed
1242
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:57,440
To the fact
that not everything
was on the up and up.
1243
01:00:57,470 --> 01:01:00,100
Why that wasn't sufficient
for him to leave,
1244
01:01:00,140 --> 01:01:02,220
I don't know.
1245
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:07,180
I often wonder what--
what could possibly
keep him there?
1246
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,450
Can you recall an incident
1247
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,710
Which occurred
when your mother
looked younger?
1248
01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:15,400
An auditor learns to
keep notes contemporaneously
1249
01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:17,790
As he is doing a session,
1250
01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:21,210
About every detail
of the person's life,
1251
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,130
Back to birth and beyond.
1252
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,630
If you do the whole program,
1253
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:28,200
You end up with
up to a file cabinet full
1254
01:01:28,220 --> 01:01:32,140
Of pre-clear folders
on notations about your life,
1255
01:01:32,170 --> 01:01:35,170
Your thoughts,
and your considerations
about your life.
1256
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:37,590
It's the most
intimate detail.
1257
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,390
You're always encouraged,
you're always threatened,
1258
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:45,350
To disclose more
and more and more.
And all of it's recorded.
1259
01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:46,820
All of this material,
1260
01:01:46,850 --> 01:01:49,400
Which is represented to you
to be held sacrosanct--
1261
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,990
In fact, any information
1262
01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:54,740
That might do some harm
to the organization,
1263
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,230
Gets unclassified
automatically
1264
01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:59,830
And gets reported
to another branch
of the church
1265
01:01:59,870 --> 01:02:02,030
That deals with "ethics."
1266
01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:09,910
Travolta was down
in clearwater.
1267
01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:12,260
We'd finished
the renovations.
1268
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,600
Every auditing room
had two cameras--
1269
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:17,920
One on the meter,
and one on the guy
getting auditing.
1270
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:21,100
Miscavige would sit
in this 15x15 room,
1271
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:23,100
Cameras of every session.
1272
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:24,590
You can flip in between 'em,
1273
01:02:24,610 --> 01:02:26,560
And he was watching
these things.
1274
01:02:26,610 --> 01:02:28,110
And it was
for "training purposes."
1275
01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:29,590
Well, travolta saw that,
1276
01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:32,530
And he said,
"i will not be videoed."
1277
01:02:32,570 --> 01:02:35,530
So i was there when
they were setting it up,
1278
01:02:35,570 --> 01:02:37,400
And miscavige
was directing it.
1279
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,240
"get him
into a hotel room,
1280
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:42,870
"hook up secret,
private videos."
1281
01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:46,110
There were rumors
1282
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:48,130
That he was
threatening to leave,
1283
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,050
And another scientologist
told me that he was delegated
1284
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,500
To create a black pr package--
all the damaging material
1285
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,840
They could use
against travolta,
1286
01:02:57,890 --> 01:03:00,140
Which came
from his auditing sessions.
1287
01:03:00,180 --> 01:03:02,840
I know this
because i used to do it
1288
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:06,730
When i was the head
of the office of
special affairs.
1289
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:08,520
We would
put a team of people
1290
01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:11,770
Onto going through
all of these pc folders
1291
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,520
And finding things
that they believe.
1292
01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:18,610
By exposing them
or threatening to expose them,
1293
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,250
They will cower the person
1294
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,780
That they're worried about
into silence.
1295
01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:28,620
There is a particular writing
1296
01:03:28,650 --> 01:03:33,260
Where hubbard
is training these office
of special affairs people
1297
01:03:33,290 --> 01:03:37,460
On how, when you use
private information
1298
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,850
To control somebody
to do what you want them
to do,
1299
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,630
And to silence them
from speaking out
against scientology,
1300
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:47,020
It's really not blackmail,
because you're not
asking for money.
1301
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:48,970
But you're holding
this secret information
1302
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:51,310
Over the person's head
to silence them.
1303
01:03:51,340 --> 01:03:53,510
As far as travolta
is concerned,
1304
01:03:53,530 --> 01:03:56,850
People say, well, he--
there's all these things
that we know about
1305
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:58,700
That have been rumored
in the tabloids.
1306
01:03:58,730 --> 01:04:01,540
But in fact,
it's more of
a two-way street.
1307
01:04:01,570 --> 01:04:03,290
You know, he's provided
with an auditor
1308
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:04,710
Whose shoulder
he can cry on,
1309
01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:07,710
But he's also
provided with the muscle
of the church,
1310
01:04:07,740 --> 01:04:10,290
In the form of myself
and mike rinder.
1311
01:04:10,330 --> 01:04:11,500
On many occasions,
1312
01:04:11,530 --> 01:04:13,630
We were sent out
to get with his publicist,
1313
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:14,830
To get with his lawyer,
1314
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:17,670
And to help squash
or intimidate these people
1315
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:19,970
That are making accusations
against him.
1316
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:21,470
Once that happened,
1317
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:24,640
I think he was really
the church's captive.
1318
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,430
Mr. John travolta!
1319
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:48,730
When they were facing lawsuits
and stuff like that,
1320
01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:50,030
He'd be brought forward,
1321
01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:52,870
And make his testimony
about how great
scientology is.
1322
01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:54,540
He had the opportunity
1323
01:04:54,570 --> 01:04:58,410
To affect
the behavior of the church,
and he chose not to.
1324
01:05:00,180 --> 01:05:02,850
Now i've been a scientologist
for 23 years.
1325
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,220
I've felt like a pioneer
in many-- in many ways,
1326
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:08,770
And i've--
i've seen my efforts
come to fruition...
1327
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,750
In various ways.
1328
01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:13,720
I think very few people
can say that.
1329
01:05:13,780 --> 01:05:16,440
I've-- i'm part of a--
of a frontier in a way,
1330
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,760
You know, that,
that very few people
ever get to be part of.
1331
01:05:54,070 --> 01:05:56,520
Thank you.
1332
01:05:56,570 --> 01:05:59,100
Welcome to church!
1333
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:02,740
It was the biggest event
in scientology history,
1334
01:06:02,780 --> 01:06:06,190
And of course,
miscavige wanted to milk it
for everything he had.
1335
01:06:06,250 --> 01:06:08,200
It's this
grand, produced thing,
1336
01:06:08,250 --> 01:06:12,670
Where it's all
a single person
on a gigantic stage,
1337
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:15,990
All this sort of
nazi symbolism.
1338
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,820
I clearly recall
getting prepared
for the event
1339
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,630
And miscavige
up in that office,
1340
01:06:21,660 --> 01:06:24,290
You know,
going 18-20 hours a day
1341
01:06:24,330 --> 01:06:27,300
Writing this speech,
and thinking to myself,
1342
01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:30,220
"my god, you know?
This is not just
1343
01:06:30,270 --> 01:06:32,890
"a victory celebration,
1344
01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:35,270
"this is a--
this is a coup."
1345
01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:37,810
What we are going
to talk about
1346
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,650
Is the war
to end all wars.
1347
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:44,150
When you are in scientology,
you are in all the way.
1348
01:06:44,180 --> 01:06:46,570
There's no half in
and half out.
1349
01:06:46,620 --> 01:06:49,620
A decade into
miscavige's leadership,
1350
01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:51,910
A simmering crisis
finally came to a boil.
1351
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,380
For years hubbard had
insisted that scientology
was a religion
1352
01:06:56,410 --> 01:06:58,460
And should be tax-exempt,
1353
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:02,200
So he had refused
to pay any taxes.
1354
01:07:02,220 --> 01:07:04,750
We were facing a tax bill
1355
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,340
Of over a billion dollars,
and the total assets,
1356
01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:11,930
Liquid and material,
and property of the church
1357
01:07:11,980 --> 01:07:15,010
Was about a quarter of that
at the time, in the '80s.
1358
01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:19,320
And so just
from a real simple
accounting basis,
1359
01:07:19,350 --> 01:07:20,680
It was life and death.
1360
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,270
If we don't
get exemption, we die.
1361
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,220
If we get it, we survive.
1362
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,110
As lrh said,
1363
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,780
"one certainly
couldn't contest anyone
1364
01:07:28,830 --> 01:07:31,560
"as holy as the commissioner
of the irs,
1365
01:07:31,580 --> 01:07:36,120
"whom i believe gives god
his orders." lrh.
1366
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:38,120
Faced with this crisis,
1367
01:07:38,170 --> 01:07:40,900
David miscavige
formulated a strategy.
1368
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,960
Think of the nerve
that it takes
1369
01:07:44,010 --> 01:07:46,760
To decide to take on a war
with the irs.
1370
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,630
The church of scientology
1371
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,080
Has been crucifying
the federal agency
1372
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:53,470
For its sins
on a regular basis,
1373
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,550
Both in and out of courts.
1374
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,220
Thousands of scientologists
all filed lawsuits,
1375
01:07:59,260 --> 01:08:00,420
Not just against the irs,
1376
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,310
But against
individual irs employees.
1377
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,260
2400 total lawsuits,
1378
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,150
All going at the irs
at one time.
1379
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,900
It was
a litigation nightmare.
1380
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:12,620
Being miscavige's
right-hand man,
1381
01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:14,570
I was in charge
of all those efforts.
1382
01:08:14,610 --> 01:08:17,820
We were not only
suing them in every possible
jurisdiction there was,
1383
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,740
We were investigating
the irs for crimes generally,
1384
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,330
Or things that would
offend the public.
1385
01:08:22,380 --> 01:08:24,380
...These hearings
into irs integrity...
1386
01:08:24,420 --> 01:08:25,720
In the late '80s,
1387
01:08:25,750 --> 01:08:27,470
There were hearings
about irs abuses
1388
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:28,750
That had nothing to do
with scientology,
1389
01:08:28,790 --> 01:08:29,920
Had nothing to do
with nonprofits,
1390
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:31,340
Had nothing
to do with churches.
1391
01:08:31,390 --> 01:08:33,470
They had to do
with joe taxpayer.
1392
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:36,460
And they we were publishing
these glossy,
1393
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:37,900
Expensive magazines.
1394
01:08:37,930 --> 01:08:40,980
In fact, the exposés
of irs crimes
1395
01:08:41,020 --> 01:08:43,900
Were so hated
that possession
of "freedom" magazine
1396
01:08:43,940 --> 01:08:46,850
Was banned by irs officials
in the irs building.
1397
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:53,910
There is going to be
a irs conference
in the catskills.
1398
01:08:53,950 --> 01:08:57,030
Right?
And so we would send a pi,
1399
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,080
Find out which hotel
it's gonna be at,
1400
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,320
Get down there
during happy hour,
socialize.
1401
01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:05,510
And this guy's tallying
who's drinkin' what.
1402
01:09:05,540 --> 01:09:07,420
And so we go through
freedom of information act
1403
01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:10,710
To find out
that the taxpayers
are paying the bar bill,
1404
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,550
And it's so much money.
1405
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,800
And of course, you know,
1406
01:09:13,830 --> 01:09:15,670
In the scheme of things,
it's nothing.
1407
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,550
But from a pr perspective,
it's everything.
1408
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,640
Irs officials told me
to my face
1409
01:09:21,670 --> 01:09:24,110
They weren't interested
in hearing anything
1410
01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:28,030
I had to say
because, and i quote,
1411
01:09:28,060 --> 01:09:30,180
"you are a scientologist.
1412
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,400
"you are a mindless robot."
1413
01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:37,200
Well, those who know me
can imagine my response.
1414
01:09:39,580 --> 01:09:43,410
It was short,
but certainly made the point.
1415
01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:49,130
A negotiation
began to take place
1416
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:53,420
Between the irs
and the church
of scientology.
1417
01:09:53,470 --> 01:09:55,390
How do you define
a religion?
1418
01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:57,010
It's not so easy.
1419
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:01,140
Why is one body
of thinking a religion
1420
01:10:01,180 --> 01:10:03,650
And another body not?
1421
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,490
The only organization
entitled to make
those distinctions
1422
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,520
Is the irs as an agency--
1423
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,820
Very poorly equipped
to do that.
1424
01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:14,610
I mean, they're mainly
accountants and lawyers,
1425
01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:16,410
They're not theologians.
1426
01:10:16,450 --> 01:10:19,080
But it's the only opinion
that matters.
1427
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:22,370
Once the irs has decided
that you are a religion,
1428
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,540
Then you are protected
by the vast protections
1429
01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:29,210
Of the first amendment.
1430
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,090
And, as the saying goes,
1431
01:10:32,130 --> 01:10:35,750
The rest is history.
On october the first, 1993,
1432
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,850
At 8:37 pm
eastern standard time,
1433
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,100
The irs issued letters
recognizing scientology
1434
01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:44,220
And every one
of its organizations
1435
01:10:44,260 --> 01:10:47,440
As fully tax-exempt!
The war is over!
1436
01:10:54,370 --> 01:10:56,230
The war ended
1437
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:58,200
Because the irs surrendered.
1438
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,400
It forgave
the billion-dollar tax bill
1439
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:04,070
And granted scientology
its tax exemption.
1440
01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:06,880
Even hubbard's novels
were declared religious texts,
1441
01:11:06,910 --> 01:11:10,080
Their sales
exempt from taxes.
1442
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,500
What happened
is that fred goldberg,
1443
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:15,340
Who was the irs commissioner
at that time--
1444
01:11:15,390 --> 01:11:18,220
Miscavige let goldberg know
that if we could find a way
1445
01:11:18,260 --> 01:11:19,760
To get tax-exempt status,
1446
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:21,620
All those lawsuits
will go away overnight.
1447
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,090
And as we were going
out the door,
1448
01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:25,460
Fred goldberg goes,
"is he serious?"
1449
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:27,100
And i said, "yeah."
1450
01:11:27,130 --> 01:11:29,300
And he sort of breathed
this sigh of relief,
1451
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,490
Kind of nodded,
and smiled.
1452
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,270
At the church's
victory party,
1453
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:37,070
Miscavige projected photos
of the church's executives
1454
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:40,660
Celebrating
with irs officials.
1455
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:43,750
It created
this tremendous juggernaut
1456
01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:48,370
Of tight conspiracy
of the membership
that then existed,
1457
01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:51,760
But what it really did
was enable miscavige
1458
01:11:51,790 --> 01:11:55,040
To milk every last dime
1459
01:11:55,090 --> 01:11:56,880
Out of that core membership.
1460
01:11:56,930 --> 01:12:01,010
I am proud to announce
the discrimination is over.
1461
01:12:01,050 --> 01:12:02,930
Your tax dona--
1462
01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:05,000
Deductions on donations
to scientology
1463
01:12:05,020 --> 01:12:08,560
Will no longer be disallowed
by the internal revenue service.
1464
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,890
In the '80s,
while hubbard was in hiding,
1465
01:12:13,950 --> 01:12:17,530
Scientology was going through
some very severe litigation,
1466
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:19,400
In particular,
a lawsuit in oregon,
1467
01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:20,980
And one in los angeles.
1468
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,540
One of them did produce
a $30 million judgment.
1469
01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:25,370
This scared scientology.
1470
01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:27,290
They realized
they were vulnerable.
1471
01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:28,740
And so they
asked scientologists,
1472
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:30,990
"okay, give us
a few thousand dollars.
1473
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:33,250
"you'll get a nice ribbon
or something.
1474
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:35,370
"you're not gonna get
any courses from it."
and this was new,
1475
01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:37,370
The idea that you would
give them money
1476
01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:39,550
Just to defend
against lawsuits.
1477
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:40,890
And that grew and grew.
1478
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,720
Now scientologists
are constantly
1479
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,060
Under intense pressure
just to hand money over.
1480
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:49,650
They pitch themselves
as being the underdog,
1481
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,270
As being the victim.
And you identify with that.
1482
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,890
But then they start
hitting you up
1483
01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:58,020
For bigger donations,
and bigger-- and i got
a lot of pressure.
1484
01:12:58,060 --> 01:13:01,270
And i think
i donated another $250,000
to them under pressure.
1485
01:13:01,330 --> 01:13:02,890
They really know
how to do it.
1486
01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:05,280
They really know how to do it,
and he just was after me
and after me.
1487
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:07,530
And they said,
"we're under attack, paul."
1488
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:09,670
This one guy who donated
$25 million,
1489
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:12,070
For no-- you know,
just straight donation,
1490
01:13:12,090 --> 01:13:14,500
To this--
to the scientology war chest.
1491
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,010
Churches are tax-exempt
1492
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,100
Because they're supposed
to provide a public good.
1493
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:24,260
To prove that good
to the irs,
1494
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:26,720
Churches aren't supposed
to hoard their money.
1495
01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:30,720
They're supposed to spend it
on services for the faithful.
1496
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,890
Under this pretense,
the church had made
massive investments
1497
01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:35,980
In tax-free real estate
all over the world.
1498
01:13:36,030 --> 01:13:38,700
And when it comes
to labor costs,
1499
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:42,400
They are almost free.
1500
01:13:42,430 --> 01:13:44,480
The max i got paid,
you know,
1501
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:47,270
On a weekly basis
was 50 bucks,
1502
01:13:47,290 --> 01:13:49,240
Um, for 28 years.
1503
01:13:49,290 --> 01:13:52,610
Sea org workers
take home something
1504
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:56,210
Between six and 40 cents
an hour.
1505
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:59,950
So if you've got
very low labor costs,
1506
01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:04,140
No taxes to pay,
and wealthy people
giving you donations,
1507
01:14:04,170 --> 01:14:08,810
You can see why
scientology has amassed
huge piles of money.
1508
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,290
How much are they worth?
1509
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:12,650
This was a bit of a mystery,
but just recently,
1510
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,960
I obtained tax records
that scientology
1511
01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:16,800
Does have to turn in.
1512
01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:19,300
Three of the main entities
of scientology--
1513
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:20,990
And there are 20
or 30 of them--
1514
01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:23,470
But the top three,
just on their own,
1515
01:14:23,490 --> 01:14:27,160
Have a book value
of $1.5 billion.
1516
01:14:28,450 --> 01:14:31,620
It's stunning how much money
a nonprofit
1517
01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:33,200
Has been able to amass.
1518
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:47,800
It is a crime
that we've given them
religious recognition
1519
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:49,500
And that
they can hide behind it.
1520
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,690
Meanwhile, you got
very good people in there,
1521
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,170
And their lives
are being destroyed.
1522
01:14:54,190 --> 01:14:56,110
When i started
this story,
1523
01:14:56,140 --> 01:14:59,480
I stumbled across
an fbi investigation
of the church.
1524
01:14:59,510 --> 01:15:02,350
They were investigating
human trafficking.
1525
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,450
It seemed that people
were being confined
against their will.
1526
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:08,990
There were lots
of reports of people
being physically abused,
1527
01:15:09,020 --> 01:15:12,160
And the exploitation
of labor and child labor.
1528
01:15:12,190 --> 01:15:16,240
All of these things
were questions that
the fbi had.
1529
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:18,910
While that investigation
was going on,
1530
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,080
A case was being heard
in colorado--
1531
01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:25,000
The headleys,
who were suing the church
1532
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,720
For many
of these same violations.
1533
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,390
And the court
ruled in that case
1534
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:34,010
That these are all
essentially practices
1535
01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:37,180
That are protected
by the religious clause
1536
01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:39,880
Of the first amendment.
1537
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:41,400
Once that ruling came out,
1538
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:43,690
The fbi dropped
its investigation.
1539
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,190
I think it was an indication
that the church is protected.
1540
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,580
Before ending cycle
completely on the irs,
1541
01:15:51,610 --> 01:15:54,250
There is one thing
i do wish to do.
1542
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,400
Sir. Done.
1543
01:16:54,260 --> 01:16:55,980
The "we stand tall" thing--
1544
01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:58,760
This again was part
of this whole irs thing.
1545
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,260
And miscavige kind of
had this song composed
1546
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:03,570
By the musician group
they had up at the studio.
1547
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,520
He was trying
to turn this into--
1548
01:17:05,570 --> 01:17:08,410
This was a result of the power
of this movement...
1549
01:17:17,620 --> 01:17:19,620
...Which was such bullshit,
1550
01:17:19,650 --> 01:17:22,340
Because it was
all about control.
1551
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:26,320
When he got absolute control,
he went absolutely bonkers.
1552
01:17:39,220 --> 01:17:41,020
You know, most religions
are tax-exempt
1553
01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:43,020
And many have beliefs
and practices
1554
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:46,280
That in the modern context
would be considered strange.
1555
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:47,890
Is scientology any different?
1556
01:17:47,950 --> 01:17:49,230
I mean,
if you go to a christian
1557
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,150
Or a jew or a muslim,
and ask them,
1558
01:17:52,180 --> 01:17:53,680
"what do you believe?",
1559
01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:55,320
They can basically describe
1560
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:58,370
The most important parts
of their religion
1561
01:17:58,410 --> 01:17:59,990
In a minute or two.
1562
01:18:00,020 --> 01:18:01,690
Well, what does
a scientologist believe?
1563
01:18:01,710 --> 01:18:04,460
You need to be in scientology
for seven or eight years,
1564
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:06,860
And in for a couple hundred
thousand dollars,
1565
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,920
Before you finally
learn this backstory
1566
01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:10,830
Of xenu
the galactic overlord.
1567
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:12,750
Now, if you were told that
on day one,
1568
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,750
How many people would join?
1569
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:16,470
But if they were
upfront about it,
1570
01:18:16,510 --> 01:18:18,090
I'd have more respect
for them.
1571
01:18:18,140 --> 01:18:19,840
But it's that sort of
bait and switch
1572
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,980
That people are told,
"oh, it's an applied philosophy
1573
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:24,050
"to help you
with your communication."
1574
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:25,730
Oh, yeah?
1575
01:18:25,770 --> 01:18:28,050
So why is tom cruise
paying 1,000 bucks
1576
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:31,220
To have invisible aliens
pulled out of his body?
1577
01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:41,500
What happens when
your zone of influence
1578
01:18:41,530 --> 01:18:43,030
Is the global stage?
1579
01:18:43,070 --> 01:18:47,500
How much must one do
to call themselves
a scientologist?
1580
01:18:47,540 --> 01:18:50,570
How much so that
when their head
hits the pillow,
1581
01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:52,710
They can live
with themselves,
1582
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:55,460
Knowing they did
all they could do?
1583
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:57,800
That is our final story
this evening.
1584
01:18:57,850 --> 01:19:01,470
It's a story that affects
every scientologist,
1585
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,690
For all of us
are the beneficiaries
of what he presents.
1586
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:10,310
Tom cruise was the guy.
1587
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,530
Miscavige and cruise
had been pretty buddy-buddy,
1588
01:19:14,570 --> 01:19:17,650
Way back
to "days of thunder."
1589
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:21,700
He was on the set with him,
he went skydiving with him,
1590
01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:25,070
Was hangin' out with him
all the time.
1591
01:19:25,130 --> 01:19:27,780
And that was when
tom first met nicole.
1592
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,250
He had really fallen for her.
1593
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:31,580
They got married,
1594
01:19:31,620 --> 01:19:34,670
And this posed
a dilemma for the church,
1595
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,170
Because her father
1596
01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:40,390
Is a well-known psychologist
in australia.
1597
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:42,680
From the church's perspective,
he's the enemy.
1598
01:19:42,730 --> 01:19:44,640
He's a suppressive person.
1599
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,310
How could you ignore me
like this?
1600
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:48,060
Because nicole is still
1601
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:50,650
In a relationship
with her father,
1602
01:19:50,690 --> 01:19:52,970
That makes her dangerous.
1603
01:19:52,990 --> 01:19:56,520
She's a potential
trouble source, pts.
1604
01:19:56,580 --> 01:20:00,330
And because tom
is related to her,
1605
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,780
This all causes trouble
from the church's perspective.
1606
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:05,700
You have to
break that dynamic.
1607
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:08,820
Nicole-- her biggest beef
1608
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:13,540
Was that tom was becoming
increasingly like dave.
1609
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:16,330
She really got him
to drift away from the church,
1610
01:20:16,340 --> 01:20:20,210
And tom was not
really actively involved
in scientology
1611
01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:23,970
Between '92-ish
all the way up until 2001.
1612
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:29,110
They were away
for more than a year
1613
01:20:29,140 --> 01:20:31,940
Shooting "eyes wide shut"
in the uk.
1614
01:20:31,980 --> 01:20:35,900
And cruise was not in touch
with miscavige,
1615
01:20:35,950 --> 01:20:38,280
And this
drove miscavige crazy.
1616
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,020
I was assigned to, um,
get him back in.
1617
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,320
And that was coincident with,
and-- and i was to facilitate
1618
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,660
The breakup
with nicole kidman.
1619
01:20:46,690 --> 01:20:48,570
And how'd you do that?
1620
01:20:48,630 --> 01:20:51,210
Uh, well,
through a lot of auditing.
1621
01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:54,830
And every session
i ever gave to tom cruise--
1622
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:58,920
And there was dozens
upon dozens of them
over a three-year period--
1623
01:20:58,970 --> 01:21:00,700
I had to write
detailed reports
1624
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,220
And send them directly
to david miscavige.
1625
01:21:03,260 --> 01:21:05,640
I would sit there every night
with our scotch
1626
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,980
And watch and listen
to miscavige comment
1627
01:21:08,010 --> 01:21:11,680
About cruise's sex life,
and what-- yeah,
1628
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,520
How perverted he was.
1629
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:17,220
Why is he gettin'
daily reports on cruise?
1630
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,740
Miscavige really wanted
to get him back
1631
01:21:19,770 --> 01:21:21,410
Into being somebody
that he could use
1632
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:25,280
To lure people
into scientology
and increase his own status.
1633
01:21:25,330 --> 01:21:28,110
And i was also involved
in the legal team
1634
01:21:28,170 --> 01:21:33,090
And actually
hiring investigators
to investigate nicole.
1635
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,750
Men have to stick it in
every place they can,
1636
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:36,790
But for women--
women, it is just about
1637
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,710
Security and commitment--
1638
01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:41,010
Tom wanted to know exactly
who she was talking to,
1639
01:21:41,050 --> 01:21:43,850
And so he wanted
to tap her phone.
1640
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,770
If you men only knew.
1641
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,270
When i reported that day
to miscavige,
1642
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:52,590
I reported it,
like, "i mean, he wants
to tap her phone."
1643
01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:54,890
He said,
"god damn it, get it done."
1644
01:21:54,930 --> 01:21:58,730
And so i arranged,
through the scientology's
consigliere,
1645
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,360
To get
a private investigator
1646
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,950
Who physically installed
a wiretap on her home.
1647
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:05,940
And those tapes
would come in,
1648
01:22:05,950 --> 01:22:09,410
And i forwarded them
to dave miscavige.
1649
01:22:09,460 --> 01:22:11,910
The church then turned
its attention
1650
01:22:11,940 --> 01:22:16,210
To their adopted children,
to turn them against
their mother
1651
01:22:16,250 --> 01:22:19,300
And make sure
that the custody went to tom.
1652
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,470
Tommy davis,
he was my liaison
1653
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:28,810
Who had to do all the things
that are required
1654
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,230
To please tom cruise
1655
01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:32,980
While he was being put through
the scientology hoops by me.
1656
01:22:33,010 --> 01:22:37,520
He also was
part of this whole
reeducation program,
1657
01:22:37,570 --> 01:22:40,690
So that they would conclude
that their mother
1658
01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:43,190
Was a suppressive person.
1659
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,410
And that was successful.
1660
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:47,330
It was all going
according to plan.
1661
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,080
And of course,
miscavige would really
1662
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,870
Pump the oxygen
into that little fire,
you know.
1663
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,320
Miscavige was brilliant
at flaming people's fears,
1664
01:22:57,340 --> 01:22:59,460
And building up their egos.
1665
01:23:01,540 --> 01:23:04,210
So you were
being audited by marty
1666
01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:06,350
At the same time
he was auditing cruise?
1667
01:23:06,380 --> 01:23:08,660
Oh, yeah, yeah, i was--
yeah, tom cruise.
1668
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,180
Tom would go in,
and i would go in,
and tom would go in,
1669
01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:13,850
And i would go in,
and so, you know...
1670
01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:16,860
And i had been audited
by the best auditors
on the planet.
1671
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:19,140
The best auditor,
hands down,
1672
01:23:19,180 --> 01:23:21,730
I mean, like--
like kinda michael jordan,
1673
01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:24,400
Wayne gretsky,
kinda auditor is marty.
1674
01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:27,030
1675
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:30,040
They stole him,
you know?
1676
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:33,190
Tom thinks he's supposed
to be david miscavige.
1677
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,540
By 2004, tom cruise
was the most gung-ho
scientologist in the world,
1678
01:23:37,580 --> 01:23:39,750
And miscavige wanted
to recognize him for it.
1679
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,530
He called it
the freedom medal of valor
1680
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:46,090
And they put together
this 35-minute video.
1681
01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:51,010
Ias freedom medal
of valor winner, tom cruise!
1682
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,380
In it, they just
pump up this idea
1683
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:58,060
That tom cruise
is the ambassador
of scientology to the world.
1684
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,770
He's known as
the biggest movie star ever.
1685
01:24:00,820 --> 01:24:02,550
Tom cruise
travels this world,
1686
01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:04,720
Meeting with ministers,
ambassadors,
1687
01:24:04,740 --> 01:24:06,320
And the american
state department,
1688
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:11,360
Advancing lrh technology
straight into the corridors
of power.
1689
01:24:11,410 --> 01:24:13,030
It's about
improving conditions.
1690
01:24:13,060 --> 01:24:15,200
It allows you to find out
for yourself.
1691
01:24:15,230 --> 01:24:16,700
There's things
that we can do to help.
1692
01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:18,500
They even did
a calculation,
1693
01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:20,670
Where they figured
between his films
1694
01:24:20,710 --> 01:24:22,740
And all the "opinion leaders"
that he had met
1695
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,370
And all the travel
he had done...
1696
01:24:24,410 --> 01:24:27,260
Tom cruise has introduced
lrh technology
1697
01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:30,910
To over one billion people
of earth.
1698
01:24:30,930 --> 01:24:34,220
No question,
he has been a huge asset
to them.
1699
01:24:34,270 --> 01:24:36,920
Which is why the story
of tom cruise,
1700
01:24:36,940 --> 01:24:42,060
Scientologist,
has only just begun.
1701
01:24:42,090 --> 01:24:44,090
I think it's a privilege
to call yourself
a scientologist,
1702
01:24:44,110 --> 01:24:45,950
And it's something
that you have to earn.
1703
01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:47,900
Scientology loves to use
this word "end phenomena."
1704
01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:50,780
Every level
has an end phenomena,
1705
01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:52,120
You know, that you attain,
1706
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,150
And tom cruise shows that.
1707
01:24:55,210 --> 01:24:57,660
That video
with him in the black
turtleneck sweater?
1708
01:24:57,710 --> 01:24:59,460
A scientologist is someone
who can look at the world
1709
01:24:59,490 --> 01:25:01,610
And really see what it is.
1710
01:25:01,630 --> 01:25:04,750
Not only
look at it and see it,
but be able to go,
1711
01:25:04,780 --> 01:25:08,000
Poof, and be effective,
and do something about it.
1712
01:25:08,090 --> 01:25:10,920
And he's as arrogant
and as untouchable
1713
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,340
As could possibly be.
1714
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:15,470
At the same time,
he looks like an utter
crazy paranoiac.
1715
01:25:17,630 --> 01:25:22,270
And, uh...
I know-- you know, she...
1716
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:25,940
They, said, "so, like
have you met an sp?"
1717
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:33,110
And i looked at her,
1718
01:25:33,140 --> 01:25:36,080
And i thought, "oh,
what a beautiful thing,"
1719
01:25:36,110 --> 01:25:38,780
Because maybe one day,
it'll be like that.
1720
01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:40,920
You know what i'm saying?
Maybe one day,
1721
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:43,790
It will be that--
"wow. Sp's?"
1722
01:25:43,820 --> 01:25:45,370
Like, they'll just
read about those
1723
01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:47,320
In the history books,
you know?
1724
01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:49,210
That's where it takes you.
1725
01:25:49,260 --> 01:25:52,850
That's the end phenomena
of the scientology bridge.
1726
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,960
All scientologists
are full of shit.
1727
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,130
You know, they lie.
"aw, i'm doing great!
1728
01:25:57,170 --> 01:25:59,020
"you gotta get on seven."
1729
01:25:59,050 --> 01:26:01,020
You know,
and they're fucking--
1730
01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:03,440
"i've got a fucking migraine
right now,
1731
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:06,280
"and i've never
felt so shitty!"
1732
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:08,680
You know,
that's the fucking life.
1733
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:14,020
There's nothing
part of the way for me!
1734
01:26:16,190 --> 01:26:17,790
It's just-- whoo!
1735
01:26:17,820 --> 01:26:19,620
He drank the kool-aid.
1736
01:26:19,660 --> 01:26:22,120
And in the eyes of miscavige,
1737
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:26,710
Tom cruise is the perfect
scientology celebrity.
1738
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,580
And nobody's benefited more
from his membership.
1739
01:26:29,630 --> 01:26:32,250
I mean, the amount
of free sea org labor.
1740
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:35,700
Sea org members make
40 cents an hour,
1741
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,510
And i don't think
there's any way
1742
01:26:37,540 --> 01:26:39,310
Tom cruise
is not aware of that.
1743
01:26:39,340 --> 01:26:40,680
The church
has done so much for him.
1744
01:26:40,710 --> 01:26:42,900
They tricked out all his cars
and his motorcycles.
1745
01:26:42,930 --> 01:26:46,350
"oh, i want a new limo."
"we'll build it for you."
1746
01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:49,490
Decked out tom cruise's hangar
in santa monica.
1747
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,570
Installed all
the audiovisual stuff
in cruise's home.
1748
01:26:53,610 --> 01:26:55,910
Tom cruise had expressed
this fantasy
1749
01:26:55,940 --> 01:26:59,250
Of wanting
to run through a meadow
with nicole kidman.
1750
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,580
And so everybody had to work,
and till the soil.
1751
01:27:01,620 --> 01:27:03,870
And then david miscavige
didn't like it,
1752
01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:06,440
And so the whole thing
had to be ripped up again.
1753
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:08,750
This was at the gold facility,
1754
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:10,420
Which is this desert facility,
1755
01:27:10,460 --> 01:27:12,840
Where this is all kinds
of great stuff,
1756
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,430
If you're tom cruise,
you know?
1757
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:16,130
Wonderful living quarters
and a gym.
1758
01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:18,800
When cruise comes up,
everyone's told in advance,
1759
01:27:18,850 --> 01:27:20,750
"you better have
a fucking smile on your face."
1760
01:27:20,770 --> 01:27:22,850
Everyone had to
call cruise "sir."
1761
01:27:22,890 --> 01:27:26,860
1762
01:27:45,710 --> 01:27:48,660
Thank you.
1763
01:27:48,710 --> 01:27:50,630
It's this
side-by-side world.
1764
01:27:50,670 --> 01:27:52,830
There are celebrities
like cruise and travolta,
1765
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,330
And then, you know,
there are people
1766
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:57,640
Who tell terrible tales
of what happened to them
in the church--
1767
01:27:57,670 --> 01:28:02,170
Being imprisoned
and really horrible
psychological games.
1768
01:28:04,460 --> 01:28:06,760
Tom was in spain.
1769
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:11,020
They were opening up
a new scientology church
in madrid.
1770
01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:13,690
And he was overheard
to complain
1771
01:28:13,740 --> 01:28:15,650
That he needed
a new girlfriend.
1772
01:28:15,690 --> 01:28:19,660
Soon after that,
a young scientologist
premed student
1773
01:28:19,690 --> 01:28:22,750
Named nazanin boniadi--
she was told
1774
01:28:22,780 --> 01:28:25,410
That she was going to get
a special assignment.
1775
01:28:25,450 --> 01:28:27,150
...Number of transactions
increase...
1776
01:28:27,170 --> 01:28:30,090
Years later, nazanin became
a successful tv actress
1777
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,510
And she would
have a small part
in a paul haggis film.
1778
01:28:33,540 --> 01:28:36,430
But at the time,
she was a dedicated
young scientologist
1779
01:28:36,460 --> 01:28:38,490
Who believed
in the church's claims
1780
01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:40,460
For its humanitarian
mission.
1781
01:28:40,500 --> 01:28:42,770
In fact,
she set a monthly record
1782
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,020
For selling books
for the church.
1783
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:49,510
Nazanin may not
speak publicly
about her experiences
1784
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,530
Because of an nda
the church pressured her
to sign,
1785
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,840
But i discovered details
from fbi testimony
1786
01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:58,110
Regarding her ordeal.
1787
01:28:58,150 --> 01:29:00,650
David miscavige
assigned nazanin's case
1788
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,290
To a key church official,
greg wilhere.
1789
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,450
He put her through
a one-month program
1790
01:29:05,490 --> 01:29:10,330
Of on-camera interviews,
intensive auditing,
and security checks.
1791
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,550
She was moved
into the celebrity center,
1792
01:29:12,580 --> 01:29:16,030
Separated from her family,
and certain problems
were addressed
1793
01:29:16,050 --> 01:29:17,630
During this period of time.
1794
01:29:17,670 --> 01:29:19,970
One was,
she had a boyfriend.
1795
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,920
She is handed a transcript
of his auditing session,
1796
01:29:23,980 --> 01:29:26,380
In which he admitted
that he had an affair.
1797
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:28,430
And so she broke up
with him.
1798
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,760
Then wilhere took her
to an orthodontist
1799
01:29:30,820 --> 01:29:32,010
To have her braces removed.
1800
01:29:32,050 --> 01:29:34,180
At burberry and other stores
in beverly hills,
1801
01:29:34,220 --> 01:29:37,890
He bought her $20,000
worth of clothes.
1802
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:40,240
At the celebrity centre,
a man who worked
1803
01:29:40,270 --> 01:29:41,820
For cruise's hair stylist
1804
01:29:41,860 --> 01:29:44,890
Colored nazanin's hair
to cruise's liking.
1805
01:29:44,910 --> 01:29:46,910
Nazanin was told
that her makeover
1806
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:49,780
Was a part
of the church's
humanitarian mission.
1807
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:54,240
She had to look
her best for conferences
with world leaders.
1808
01:29:56,620 --> 01:29:59,910
Only after she was flown
first class to new york
1809
01:29:59,930 --> 01:30:01,790
Did she discover
the actual role
1810
01:30:01,850 --> 01:30:04,130
That the church
wanted her to play.
1811
01:30:04,180 --> 01:30:08,880
She was to be the girlfriend
of scientology's biggest star.
1812
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:13,610
Within a month,
nazanin was living
with cruise.
1813
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,560
While at his house
in telluride,
1814
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:17,030
Miscavige came to visit.
1815
01:30:17,060 --> 01:30:19,200
Overcome
by a severe headache,
1816
01:30:19,230 --> 01:30:22,100
Nazanin had a hard time
understanding miscavige,
1817
01:30:22,130 --> 01:30:23,630
Which infuriated him.
1818
01:30:23,670 --> 01:30:26,100
The next day, cruise,
inches from her face,
1819
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:28,950
Pounded his fist on the table
and screamed at her
1820
01:30:28,990 --> 01:30:31,240
For insulting the head
of the church.
1821
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,610
Two weeks later,
church henchman tommy davis
1822
01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:36,160
Delivered
the news to nazanin--
1823
01:30:36,210 --> 01:30:38,660
The relationship with cruise
was over.
1824
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:40,000
And they, according to her,
1825
01:30:40,050 --> 01:30:42,220
Came to her apartment
with her mom
1826
01:30:42,250 --> 01:30:45,090
And found every photograph
of the two of them together,
1827
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,060
And took them away.
Every scrap, every letter,
everything,
1828
01:30:48,090 --> 01:30:50,840
They...
As if it never existed.
1829
01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:52,850
And she was really upset,
1830
01:30:52,900 --> 01:30:55,560
Because she
had been really hurt
by the whole thing.
1831
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,130
And she made the mistake
of telling her friend,
1832
01:30:58,150 --> 01:31:01,490
Who immediately went to tell
someone in the church.
1833
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,970
She agreed
to do punishments,
1834
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:06,190
Like cleaning out
the public bathrooms
1835
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,280
On her hands and knees
with a toothbrush,
1836
01:31:09,310 --> 01:31:14,030
While other people she knew
were stepping over her.
1837
01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:16,040
She did nothing wrong,
other than tell her friend
1838
01:31:16,090 --> 01:31:18,590
That she was heartbroken,
and this is the way
she was treated?
1839
01:31:18,620 --> 01:31:20,510
1840
01:31:20,540 --> 01:31:23,490
The church claims that
miscavige has no involvement
1841
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:25,490
In cruise's personal life
1842
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:29,550
And that the search
for cruise's girlfriend
never existed.
1843
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:36,360
I wanna tell you something.
1844
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:40,030
I have never met
a more competent,
1845
01:31:40,060 --> 01:31:43,060
A more intelligent,
a more tolerant,
1846
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:45,350
A more compassionate being,
1847
01:31:45,370 --> 01:31:50,570
Outside of what
i've experienced from lrh.
1848
01:31:50,620 --> 01:31:53,660
And i've met the leaders
of leaders.
1849
01:31:53,690 --> 01:31:55,740
Okay? I've met them all.
1850
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:57,190
And so i say to you,
sir, cob,
1851
01:31:57,210 --> 01:32:00,030
We are lucky to have you
and thank you very much.
1852
01:32:01,370 --> 01:32:03,330
While miscavige
would do anything
1853
01:32:03,380 --> 01:32:05,500
For the church's
most famous celebrity,
1854
01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:07,420
Miscavige began
to turn against
1855
01:32:07,470 --> 01:32:10,420
The sea org's
highest-ranking executives.
1856
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:14,060
He pretty much
had international management
shut down.
1857
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:16,350
He was into
this deep paranoia thing
1858
01:32:16,380 --> 01:32:17,900
About everybody is
out to get him.
1859
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:20,930
He very definitely
1860
01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:23,550
Wiped out
that organizational pattern
1861
01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:25,900
In order to be able
to have ultimate power.
1862
01:32:25,940 --> 01:32:28,190
In 2004,
1863
01:32:28,230 --> 01:32:31,240
Miscavige ordered
the top officers
of the sea org
1864
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,530
To the scientology's
gold base
1865
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,080
In southern california.
1866
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,170
He forced them
to live in a pair
of double-wide trailers
1867
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,590
That came to be called
"the hole."
1868
01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:42,590
The doors had bars
put on them,
1869
01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:44,920
The windows all had bars
put on them,
1870
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,340
And there was
one entrance door
1871
01:32:47,380 --> 01:32:50,510
That a security guard
sat at 24 hours a day.
1872
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:52,600
They had to stay there,
sleep there.
1873
01:32:52,630 --> 01:32:56,020
It stunk and,
you know, there were ants
crawling around.
1874
01:32:56,050 --> 01:32:58,300
You'd sleep about an hour
or two hours a night.
1875
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,640
Um, you were
in such a mental state
1876
01:33:00,690 --> 01:33:03,360
That you're very controllable,
very suggestible.
1877
01:33:03,390 --> 01:33:05,930
We were told
we needed to come up
1878
01:33:05,950 --> 01:33:08,310
With what
each other's crimes were
1879
01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:10,150
Against miscavige and hubbard,
1880
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,150
So that we could eventually
get out of the hole.
1881
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,570
Scientology is really good
1882
01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:16,960
At making you think
that you are a scoundrel.
1883
01:33:16,990 --> 01:33:20,380
"confess your crimes!
Confess your crimes!
What have you done?"
1884
01:33:20,410 --> 01:33:21,490
Fights would break out.
1885
01:33:21,550 --> 01:33:24,330
Miscavige would get me
all riled up.
1886
01:33:24,380 --> 01:33:26,450
And i remember one time,
mike had done something,
1887
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:28,300
Or not done something,
i don't remember,
1888
01:33:28,340 --> 01:33:30,250
And i was supposed to
go beat him up.
1889
01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:32,500
One executive was made
to mop up
1890
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,420
The bathroom floor
with his tongue.
1891
01:33:34,460 --> 01:33:37,290
Another was put
into a bucket,
1892
01:33:37,310 --> 01:33:40,260
And pummeled
by some of the women,
and called a lesbian.
1893
01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:43,320
There was a very powerful
air conditioner,
1894
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:44,800
Which blew straight down,
1895
01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:46,900
It was set
on maximum cold,
1896
01:33:46,940 --> 01:33:49,070
And a guy was
made to sit in a chair,
1897
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:50,740
And had water
poured on his head
1898
01:33:50,780 --> 01:33:54,030
Until he literally
turned blue.
1899
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,200
Miscavige slapped me
across the face,
1900
01:33:56,250 --> 01:33:57,980
Knocked me on the ground,
kicked me a couple times.
1901
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,250
Flailing fists,
kneeing him in the stomach,
1902
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:01,750
Getting him on the floor.
1903
01:34:01,790 --> 01:34:06,320
And you think,
you want to get up
and retaliate,
1904
01:34:06,340 --> 01:34:09,340
But you also think,
"i got 75 other people
1905
01:34:09,380 --> 01:34:13,680
"who are all likely
to tackle me if i did"...
1906
01:34:13,710 --> 01:34:17,430
And then you got
the sheer shock of it.
1907
01:34:17,470 --> 01:34:19,270
Here's the equivalent
of the pope
1908
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:21,670
Suddenly knocking you
on the ground,
1909
01:34:21,690 --> 01:34:23,270
And you're thinking,
1910
01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:27,030
"i must have
really screwed up."
1911
01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:30,950
It was
a poisonous environment.
1912
01:34:30,980 --> 01:34:33,150
People were
really frightened.
1913
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,650
And this went on for years.
1914
01:34:35,690 --> 01:34:37,820
This isn't a couple of days.
1915
01:34:37,870 --> 01:34:40,360
The nominal president
of the church,
1916
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:41,710
This man
named heber jentszch,
1917
01:34:41,740 --> 01:34:43,380
He was in there
for seven years.
1918
01:34:43,410 --> 01:34:44,960
What is the statement?
1919
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,860
"god helps those
who help themselves."
1920
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,410
Well, in scientology,
we're engaged
1921
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:50,130
In helping people
help themselves,
1922
01:34:50,170 --> 01:34:54,220
So they can
fully comprehend
and understand god.
1923
01:35:01,060 --> 01:35:02,900
One night,
1924
01:35:02,930 --> 01:35:05,810
Miscavige comes
into the hole with a boom box.
1925
01:35:05,850 --> 01:35:09,320
He said, "i'm gonna
teach you all a lesson.
1926
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:11,850
"we're all gonna play
musical chairs."
1927
01:35:11,890 --> 01:35:13,490
And musical chairs
is a scientology
1928
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,360
Administrative term
for when you move people
1929
01:35:15,390 --> 01:35:18,780
From different posts rapidly,
and you create instability.
1930
01:35:18,830 --> 01:35:20,110
They played
the damned music.
1931
01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:26,740
He said,
"we're gonna play it
1932
01:35:26,750 --> 01:35:28,920
To 'bohemian rhapsody'
by queen."
1933
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:30,510
And he emphasized the line...
1934
01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:34,960
..."nothing matters anymore."
and that's your whole attitude,
1935
01:35:35,010 --> 01:35:36,680
That's where you live,
that's who you are.
1936
01:35:36,710 --> 01:35:37,960
Playing that music,
and stop it,
1937
01:35:38,020 --> 01:35:39,550
And everyone would
have to grab a chair.
1938
01:35:39,580 --> 01:35:41,580
And there's one person
left standing.
1939
01:35:49,190 --> 01:35:51,140
What miscavige
has warned them
1940
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,400
Is that the last person
who remains gets to stay.
1941
01:35:54,430 --> 01:35:55,760
"everybody else,
you're expelled.
1942
01:35:55,780 --> 01:35:57,480
"you're going to be thrown out
of the sea org."
1943
01:35:57,540 --> 01:36:02,070
These people were fighting
to stay in the hole.
1944
01:36:02,110 --> 01:36:05,110
Throwing people around,
scratching, kicking.
1945
01:36:05,130 --> 01:36:08,080
They're tearing chairs apart,
they're ripping clothing.
1946
01:36:08,110 --> 01:36:09,380
And whatever it took.
1947
01:36:15,340 --> 01:36:18,720
But then nothing happens.
1948
01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:27,060
"out of the goodness
of my heart, you can stay.
1949
01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:29,260
"but you better come clean.
You better--
1950
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:31,480
"i better have some good
confessions out of you."
1951
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,150
I-- i mean, you--
you know...
1952
01:36:35,190 --> 01:36:38,360
As much as they
get into everything
that you ever think or do,
1953
01:36:38,410 --> 01:36:40,910
They never got into my think
on this score,
1954
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:43,330
That i would never
go to prison.
1955
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,500
And so it was inevitable,
when i got-- when i--
1956
01:36:46,530 --> 01:36:49,080
He literally created
this prison camp.
1957
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:53,120
Um, it was inevitable
that i wasn't gonna
last there.
1958
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,380
It's embarrassing to have
ever been involved with,
1959
01:37:01,430 --> 01:37:02,970
To think about it.
1960
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,050
"god, i can't even believe
i'm talkin' about it."
1961
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:06,640
But it was bad.
1962
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,710
Let's say the fbi
showed up at the hole,
1963
01:37:11,740 --> 01:37:14,110
And said, "this is the fbi.
We're lettin' everyone out."
1964
01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:16,780
Do you think everyone
would have said, "oh,
thank god, the fbi's here"?
1965
01:37:16,810 --> 01:37:19,530
No. I think that everybody,
one for one,
1966
01:37:19,570 --> 01:37:21,650
Would have gone,
"what do you mean?
1967
01:37:21,690 --> 01:37:23,870
"we-- we're doing this
voluntarily.
1968
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:26,370
"we like living
in these conditions."
1969
01:37:26,410 --> 01:37:27,790
Over the past week,
1970
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:29,570
We've been reporting on
allegations of physical abuse
1971
01:37:29,630 --> 01:37:30,990
Inside
the church of scientology.
1972
01:37:31,050 --> 01:37:33,130
We spoke with the ex-wives
of some of the men
1973
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:34,580
Making the claims of abuse.
1974
01:37:34,630 --> 01:37:36,300
I read all of your affidavits.
1975
01:37:36,330 --> 01:37:38,330
Obviously, your ex-husbands
have made charges
1976
01:37:38,370 --> 01:37:39,800
Against david miscavige,
1977
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,550
Saying that
they have seen repeated acts
of physical violence
1978
01:37:42,590 --> 01:37:43,840
Perpetrated by mr. Miscavige.
1979
01:37:43,870 --> 01:37:45,970
Is-- is any of that true?
1980
01:37:46,010 --> 01:37:48,510
No. No.
Not one ounce of it.
1981
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:51,180
That's not the character
of mr. David miscavige.
1982
01:37:51,210 --> 01:37:54,520
My ex-wife,
marty rathbun's ex-wife,
1983
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:58,240
Tom de vocht's ex-wife,
that were on "anderson cooper,"
1984
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,570
They all came out of the hole!
1985
01:38:00,610 --> 01:38:03,160
They were all sent there
to do that.
1986
01:38:03,190 --> 01:38:05,410
They went back to the hole!
1987
01:38:05,450 --> 01:38:07,200
It's just ridiculous.
1988
01:38:07,230 --> 01:38:09,700
This line
that my ex-wife said...
1989
01:38:09,730 --> 01:38:12,750
I lived with mike rinder
for over 35 years.
1990
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:15,040
I know every square inch
of mike rinder's body.
1991
01:38:15,070 --> 01:38:17,870
She said it
because she was told
to say it by miscavige.
1992
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:21,010
And the proof of that is,
when tom de vocht's ex-wife
1993
01:38:21,050 --> 01:38:24,880
Then repeated the same thing
over again...
1994
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,930
I know every inch of him.
1995
01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:28,720
You gotta be kidding me!
1996
01:38:28,750 --> 01:38:29,850
Everything that happens
1997
01:38:29,890 --> 01:38:31,720
From the church of scientology
is scripted.
1998
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,770
Don't ever turn
the other cheek and acquiesce,
1999
01:38:33,810 --> 01:38:35,560
Hit 'em back.
2000
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:39,780
Marty rathbun
suddenly went and leapt
on top of mike rinder
2001
01:38:39,810 --> 01:38:41,560
And fought him to the ground
2002
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,120
And started choking him
and beating him.
2003
01:38:44,150 --> 01:38:46,120
And nothing seems
to have been done about it.
2004
01:38:46,150 --> 01:38:48,040
Mr. Miscavige was not
at the property at the time.
2005
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:49,540
Do you not have telephones?
2006
01:38:49,570 --> 01:38:51,070
Of course we have telephones.
2007
01:38:51,110 --> 01:38:53,410
I think
you're being quite rude
and quite insulting.
2008
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:55,610
Here's the bottom line.
Here's the bottom line--
2009
01:38:55,630 --> 01:38:58,160
There is no history
of violence in the church.
2010
01:38:58,220 --> 01:39:01,080
As somebody who ran pr
for the church for a long time,
2011
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,720
Do you have any regret
for anything that you did
in that capacity?
2012
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,170
Well,
i think the biggest regret
2013
01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:11,640
Is when john sweeney
at "panorama" was doing
his program,
2014
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,010
It was the culmination
of a lot--
2015
01:39:14,060 --> 01:39:16,430
I mean, i'd been
in the hole for a year.
2016
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:19,520
And i ended up
being sent to england.
2017
01:39:19,570 --> 01:39:22,100
Hi, mike.
He was
constantly going,
2018
01:39:22,140 --> 01:39:25,610
"well, why do you
have private investigators
following me?"
2019
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,740
I'm like...
That never happened!
2020
01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:29,310
Ever, ever happened!
2021
01:39:29,330 --> 01:39:30,860
And of course there were.
2022
01:39:30,910 --> 01:39:32,660
I was following john sweeney.
2023
01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:35,370
Oh, there it is.
2024
01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:38,340
Okay, there we are.
2025
01:39:38,370 --> 01:39:40,040
He's got his camera,
2026
01:39:40,090 --> 01:39:41,840
He's standing there
and he's saying,
2027
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,290
"i want a response.
I have credible witnesses.
2028
01:39:45,330 --> 01:39:49,600
"did david miscavige
physically assault you?"
2029
01:39:49,630 --> 01:39:50,850
And i said...
2030
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:55,350
Those allegations
are absolute, utter rubbish.
2031
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:58,140
Absolute, utter rubbish.
2032
01:39:58,180 --> 01:40:00,030
You have been assaulted
by miscavige?
2033
01:40:00,060 --> 01:40:02,440
Many times, many times.
2034
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:05,480
Perhaps more
than anybody else.
2035
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:09,700
I was now sort of
2036
01:40:09,740 --> 01:40:12,700
At the end of my rope.
2037
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,490
It was a real moment
of clarity for me--
2038
01:40:17,530 --> 01:40:19,860
"i don't want
to be doing this anymore.
2039
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,910
"this is nuts!"
2040
01:40:21,970 --> 01:40:26,640
That was actually
the last thing that i did
before i left.
2041
01:40:36,710 --> 01:40:40,770
So i'd been in scientology
about two and a half years.
2042
01:40:40,820 --> 01:40:43,020
I am kickin' ass.
2043
01:40:43,050 --> 01:40:46,660
I felt like i had gotten out
of the fuckin' trap.
2044
01:40:46,690 --> 01:40:49,360
I didn't have to
have a problem.
2045
01:40:49,410 --> 01:40:51,690
I said,
"i'm done with auditing."
2046
01:40:51,730 --> 01:40:54,660
But they insisted
on gettin' me back,
2047
01:40:54,700 --> 01:40:57,420
And said just,
"believe us, believe us,
believe us."
2048
01:40:57,450 --> 01:41:00,170
I got so fucked up.
2049
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,070
I mean, they-- they--
i went insane.
2050
01:41:03,090 --> 01:41:06,120
I was, like,
stuck somewhere
2051
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:08,930
In a tiny spot
behind my eyeballs,
2052
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,800
Looking this way.
2053
01:41:11,850 --> 01:41:15,300
I mean, i--
i'd never experienced
anything like it.
2054
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:18,190
10 fuckin' years!
2055
01:41:19,110 --> 01:41:22,690
I was worse than the day
that i walked in.
2056
01:41:22,730 --> 01:41:25,530
It was by design,
'cause they needed to--
2057
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,530
To keep me in there.
2058
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,230
So basically, they had to
2059
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:31,900
Put a whole new case on me,
so they could run it.
2060
01:41:31,940 --> 01:41:35,450
And they just kept tryin'
to fuckin' keep me stuck in.
2061
01:41:35,490 --> 01:41:36,940
It was crazy!
2062
01:41:36,970 --> 01:41:42,080
So i finally said,
"i'm going my way.
You guys go yours."
2063
01:41:42,110 --> 01:41:45,960
I was pissed. I was sad.
I was disillusioned.
2064
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:49,220
And i thought,
"maybe somebody
could interview me,
2065
01:41:49,250 --> 01:41:51,950
"ask me some questions
about scientology."
2066
01:41:51,970 --> 01:41:56,120
How i got into scientology,
and why i got out.
2067
01:41:56,140 --> 01:41:57,930
Post this two-hour thing,
2068
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,760
And it was the #1 thing
on youtube for two days
2069
01:42:00,810 --> 01:42:02,800
Before
it "mysteriously" disappeared.
2070
01:42:02,820 --> 01:42:04,020
The best traps--
2071
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:06,600
You get a guy to just
keep himself in jail.
2072
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:09,770
Right? And that's
what scientology does.
2073
01:42:09,810 --> 01:42:12,270
I started getting
all this communication
2074
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:13,910
Because of that video.
2075
01:42:13,940 --> 01:42:16,980
You know,
"you saved my family."
2076
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,950
You know, "you've--
i finally had the courage
2077
01:42:18,980 --> 01:42:21,150
"to leave
after i watched your thing."
2078
01:42:21,170 --> 01:42:25,790
You know?
I mean, like,
there's blood and tears.
2079
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,840
And then
i started to find out,
2080
01:42:27,870 --> 01:42:30,160
You know, all the stuff
that was really happening.
2081
01:42:30,180 --> 01:42:32,290
You know, i lost money,
i got fucked,
2082
01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:35,660
But then i found out
about the abuse
in the sea org.
2083
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,670
And i felt like, "fuck me,
i gotta do somethin' about it."
2084
01:42:38,690 --> 01:42:41,440
And i finally
tracked down marty rathbun.
2085
01:42:41,470 --> 01:42:43,170
Everybody thought
he was dead.
2086
01:42:43,190 --> 01:42:45,640
He was in fuckin' mexico.
And i went down there,
2087
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:47,680
And i basically
convinced him to talk.
2088
01:42:47,690 --> 01:42:49,510
And, like,
"we gotta do somethin'."
2089
01:42:49,530 --> 01:42:51,150
And then he started his blog.
2090
01:42:55,190 --> 01:42:57,120
There was
a beating every day.
2091
01:42:57,150 --> 01:42:58,450
And if it wasn't him doin' it,
2092
01:42:58,490 --> 01:43:02,370
It was from him inciting others
to do it to others.
2093
01:43:02,410 --> 01:43:04,210
I think that it's a cult.
2094
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,630
I'm doin' my own thing,
i want to get on with my life.
2095
01:43:06,660 --> 01:43:08,500
I am telling the truth.
2096
01:43:08,530 --> 01:43:10,750
Suddenly i heard
senior members of the church
2097
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,370
Were speaking out,
2098
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:16,000
So i started to look,
and i started to read.
2099
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,010
And then i started
to reach out to people.
2100
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,180
Two of my daughters are gay,
and told me
2101
01:43:21,210 --> 01:43:24,560
How they'd been treated
within the church.
I didn't know.
2102
01:43:24,650 --> 01:43:27,400
Paul haggis's daughters
were openly harassed
2103
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:29,480
By church members
for being gay.
2104
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,690
Investigating further,
haggis discovered
2105
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,820
That church doctrine
viewed homosexuality
as a disease
2106
01:43:34,860 --> 01:43:37,490
That only hubbard's teachings
could cure.
2107
01:43:37,530 --> 01:43:39,660
And a california
chapter of scientology
2108
01:43:39,700 --> 01:43:42,830
Had supported a ban
on gay marriage.
2109
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:45,030
I can't be part
of an organization
2110
01:43:45,070 --> 01:43:48,340
That doesn't support
2111
01:43:48,370 --> 01:43:50,590
Human rights for everyone.
2112
01:43:52,930 --> 01:43:56,260
So i sent a letter
to 25 friends in the church
2113
01:43:56,300 --> 01:43:58,010
That i was resigning.
2114
01:43:58,050 --> 01:44:00,470
And i'd hoped
they'd read this letter
2115
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:04,890
And be horrified
by the things i'd found out.
2116
01:44:08,940 --> 01:44:11,390
A few days later,
i drive home.
2117
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:13,650
There have to be 10 people
standing in my front yard.
2118
01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:16,030
I recognize them.
They're my friends.
2119
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:18,930
They said, "paul,
we need you to tear up
this letter.
2120
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:21,150
"and we need you
to get all the copies
and tear them up,
2121
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,120
"and resign quietly."
2122
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,240
I said, "i don't do that."
you know?
2123
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:26,770
"i'm sorry.
I don't do that."
2124
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:29,540
I sent a copy
to marty rathbun.
2125
01:44:29,580 --> 01:44:32,160
He put it on his blog,
one page on a day,
2126
01:44:32,220 --> 01:44:35,330
And didn't reveal my name
until the friday.
2127
01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:37,390
Monday morning, i woke up.
2128
01:44:37,420 --> 01:44:41,460
600 of the top newspapers
of the world had it.
2129
01:44:41,480 --> 01:44:43,640
You know,
it was in bulgaria.
2130
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:47,600
i mean, it was reprinted
in seven languages.
2131
01:44:47,630 --> 01:44:50,100
I went, "oh my god,
what have i done?"
2132
01:44:50,130 --> 01:44:53,570
I mean-- it did garner
a lot of interest.
2133
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,190
People will judge you,
one way or the other.
2134
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,640
I figured
people would judge me
as really stupid.
2135
01:44:58,660 --> 01:45:00,980
But then,
i was really stupid.
2136
01:45:00,990 --> 01:45:05,650
I was a part of this
for 30 years before
i spoke out.
2137
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:09,330
I felt deeply ashamed.
2138
01:45:09,370 --> 01:45:13,290
Why didn't i do it earlier?
Why didn't i look earlier?
2139
01:45:16,210 --> 01:45:19,460
People are so indoctrinated,
2140
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:22,960
And have been in scientology
a really long, long time.
2141
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,970
Or they've grown up in it,
and they don't know
anything else.
2142
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:30,970
It's so scary to them
to have to start all over,
2143
01:45:31,010 --> 01:45:33,510
And it takes
a really strong person
2144
01:45:33,530 --> 01:45:35,690
To stand up to them
and say no.
2145
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,350
In 2009,
2146
01:45:39,370 --> 01:45:43,030
My son was on staff
at the church.
2147
01:45:43,070 --> 01:45:45,790
And "the truth rundown"
came out in the
"st. Pete times,"
2148
01:45:45,820 --> 01:45:48,360
Exposing what was going on
2149
01:45:48,380 --> 01:45:52,380
With the beatings,
people in the hole.
2150
01:45:52,410 --> 01:45:53,910
The church was very mad
at my son,
2151
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,750
Because he knew
it was going to happen,
2152
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:57,670
And he didn't tell them.
2153
01:45:57,700 --> 01:46:00,300
And he didn't tell them
because he had a good friend
2154
01:46:00,340 --> 01:46:02,640
That became friends
with mike rinder
2155
01:46:02,670 --> 01:46:04,560
And marty rathbun,
2156
01:46:04,590 --> 01:46:07,930
And he believed
what they were saying
in "the truth rundown."
2157
01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:12,350
The church was threatening,
2158
01:46:12,380 --> 01:46:15,180
That he was gonna get declared
a suppressive person
2159
01:46:15,220 --> 01:46:18,600
If he didn't disconnect
from his friend.
2160
01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:21,190
My son, he was raised
a scientologist,
2161
01:46:21,220 --> 01:46:23,580
You know,
and he'd been on staff.
2162
01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:25,440
He made 30 bucks a week.
2163
01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:27,280
He headed up
their boy scout troop.
2164
01:46:27,330 --> 01:46:31,030
He was like
this consummate youth
of scientology.
2165
01:46:31,070 --> 01:46:35,120
The continental justice chief
called him on the phone.
2166
01:46:35,170 --> 01:46:37,570
And it was after that
the declare came down,
2167
01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:40,260
And he was just devastated.
2168
01:46:40,290 --> 01:46:44,180
The church told his friends
everything they could find
2169
01:46:44,210 --> 01:46:48,300
In his pc folder
to ruin his reputation.
2170
01:46:48,350 --> 01:46:51,050
I wrote this petition.
2171
01:46:51,090 --> 01:46:55,860
I tried to put in everything
good that my son had done.
2172
01:46:55,890 --> 01:46:57,440
"dear sarah,
thank you for the letter
2173
01:46:57,480 --> 01:47:00,560
"that you sent
regarding the situation
with nick lister.
2174
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:05,600
"i cannot approve
that you continue
your connection with nick."
2175
01:47:05,620 --> 01:47:08,570
No one's gonna tell me
when i can and can't
speak to him.
2176
01:47:08,610 --> 01:47:11,710
No one, but me.
2177
01:47:11,740 --> 01:47:14,880
"your committee
of evidence findings
and recommendations
2178
01:47:14,910 --> 01:47:17,710
"recommended you
be labeled suppressive,
2179
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:20,500
"engaging in malicious
rumor mongering
2180
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:24,140
"to destroy the authority
or repute of higher officers
2181
01:47:24,170 --> 01:47:27,470
"or the leading names
of scientology."
2182
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:29,640
My husband
was charged with that one,
2183
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:31,260
Because he was telling me
2184
01:47:31,290 --> 01:47:34,300
What he read on the internet
about david miscavige.
2185
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:36,680
They say,
"don't go on the internet,
don't read.
2186
01:47:36,730 --> 01:47:38,100
"don't go to these sites."
2187
01:47:38,130 --> 01:47:41,640
From the time
that i got in,
2188
01:47:41,660 --> 01:47:45,360
For 30 years, i never read
one critical thing
about scientology.
2189
01:47:45,410 --> 01:47:48,080
When i finally decided
to open my eyes and look,
2190
01:47:48,110 --> 01:47:50,360
I was shocked,
just shocked.
2191
01:47:50,410 --> 01:47:52,480
But if you're a member
of the church of scientology,
2192
01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:56,330
And someone in your family,
or a friend, or your spouse,
2193
01:47:56,370 --> 01:47:59,920
Is skeptical or critical
of the church of scientology,
2194
01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:03,040
You are supposed to disconnect
yourself from that person...
2195
01:48:03,090 --> 01:48:06,680
Tommy davis,
who was the spokesperson
for the church,
2196
01:48:06,710 --> 01:48:10,720
He's being asked about
the policy of disconnection.
2197
01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:13,380
Anything that's characterized
as disconnection
2198
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,550
Or this kinda thing,
it's just-- it's just not true.
2199
01:48:15,610 --> 01:48:18,140
There isn't...
I confronted him
about this.
2200
01:48:18,170 --> 01:48:21,190
And i said,
"tommy, i don't need
to search outside to ask for--
2201
01:48:21,230 --> 01:48:23,530
"to check research
and see if other--
2202
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:25,730
"this has happened
to other people.
This happened to my wife.
2203
01:48:25,780 --> 01:48:28,650
"you asked her and me
to disconnect from her parents
2204
01:48:28,690 --> 01:48:31,120
"because of something trivial
they did years ago."
2205
01:48:31,150 --> 01:48:33,120
My wife disconnected from me,
2206
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:36,210
My daughter,
my son, my brother,
2207
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:38,210
My sister, my mother,
2208
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:40,040
All of my nieces
and nephews.
2209
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,550
And that is the only family
that i have.
2210
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:44,720
You know, you label
these people suppressive
2211
01:48:44,750 --> 01:48:46,830
So that, you know,
everybody automatically--
2212
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:49,170
They're discredited,
and they must disconnect
from them.
2213
01:48:49,210 --> 01:48:51,640
And that's how you keep
people in a bubble.
2214
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,140
And that's what they do.
I mean, my son was declared
2215
01:48:54,180 --> 01:48:55,590
Because he wouldn't disconnect
from his friend.
2216
01:48:55,650 --> 01:48:57,650
I was declared,
and my husband was declared
2217
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:59,600
Because we wouldn't
disconnect from my son.
2218
01:48:59,650 --> 01:49:01,350
And now guess what happened?
2219
01:49:01,380 --> 01:49:05,190
Everyone connected to us
just scatters to the wind.
2220
01:49:05,220 --> 01:49:07,360
Through all of this time,
2221
01:49:07,390 --> 01:49:10,660
I have a daughter
who's very much
into the church.
2222
01:49:10,690 --> 01:49:13,730
I have a granddaughter
2223
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:17,200
Who's the love of my life,
and who loves her nana.
2224
01:49:17,230 --> 01:49:20,070
I was planning on talking
to my daughter,
2225
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:23,170
And trying to tell her
what was really happening.
2226
01:49:23,210 --> 01:49:26,720
She hugged me,
she told me she loved me.
2227
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:29,810
She said, "i have to
disconnect from you."
2228
01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:38,320
So, um...
2229
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,860
I just was concentrating
on smelling her hair
2230
01:49:47,900 --> 01:49:50,670
And seeing the way she felt,
2231
01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:53,330
Touching her skin
on my face.
2232
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,010
That's the last time
i saw them.
2233
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:05,680
It really is the crux
2234
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:09,800
Of how controlling
is any religion
2235
01:50:09,850 --> 01:50:12,140
Over its adherents,
2236
01:50:12,190 --> 01:50:15,060
And scientology
has perfected
2237
01:50:15,090 --> 01:50:18,440
A lot of
techniques of control.
2238
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:22,100
There is
no logical explanation
2239
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:25,730
As to why,
other than faith.
2240
01:50:25,790 --> 01:50:28,100
Your future, your eternity,
2241
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:31,290
All depends on
you going up the bridge.
2242
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:35,330
It's scary.
It's kinda like
christianity with hell.
2243
01:50:35,380 --> 01:50:37,330
If they don't have the bridge,
they can't go free.
2244
01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:41,280
They don't believe
they can get it anywhere else.
2245
01:50:41,300 --> 01:50:43,330
It's like brainwashing.
Really simple.
2246
01:50:43,390 --> 01:50:45,640
I mean,
that's a scary word,
2247
01:50:45,670 --> 01:50:48,560
And it took me a long time
2248
01:50:48,590 --> 01:50:51,640
To come to that conclusion,
that that's what's occurred.
2249
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,150
You take on
2250
01:50:54,180 --> 01:50:57,630
A kind of a--
a matrix of thought
2251
01:50:57,650 --> 01:51:02,150
That is not your own.
2252
01:51:02,190 --> 01:51:05,140
I think that's how i
and other people got involved
2253
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:07,190
And stuck through it
for so long.
2254
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:09,280
Because when you're out,
you look at it,
2255
01:51:09,310 --> 01:51:12,860
And you go,
"what the crap
was i thinking," you know?
2256
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:14,670
It's such a hard thing
when you do wake up.
2257
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:16,580
You go, "oh my god."
2258
01:51:16,620 --> 01:51:19,090
Because you have this wave
of regrets.
2259
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:23,210
I just started to think
that maybe my entire life
2260
01:51:23,260 --> 01:51:25,130
Has been a lie.
2261
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,630
You just don't see it
happening to you.
2262
01:51:27,660 --> 01:51:30,630
You justify so much.
2263
01:51:30,670 --> 01:51:34,500
Cults, they prey on people,
suggesting that, you know,
2264
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:36,440
You should be able
to think for yourself
2265
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:40,220
And then tell you exactly
how you have to think,
or get out.
2266
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:43,900
And if you get out,
there will be consequences.
2267
01:51:43,950 --> 01:51:45,650
Come on, marty.
Got anything to say?
2268
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:47,570
What's your name?
Why don't you answer
his question?
2269
01:51:47,620 --> 01:51:51,320
Beat it. I said get off
my property, boy.
2270
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:54,240
The real sustained campaign
2271
01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:56,520
Began in early 2009
2272
01:51:56,540 --> 01:52:00,240
When i spoke to
the "st. Petersburg times."
2273
01:52:00,300 --> 01:52:03,460
And i'd been hounded
and hunted like wild prey.
2274
01:52:03,500 --> 01:52:07,300
It's a policy of
the office of special affairs
2275
01:52:07,340 --> 01:52:09,220
Authored by l. Ron hubbard.
2276
01:52:09,260 --> 01:52:11,260
When somebody's speaking out
against scientology,
2277
01:52:11,310 --> 01:52:13,870
Investigate to find out
who the instigator is.
2278
01:52:13,890 --> 01:52:15,590
I started getting calls
from the church,
2279
01:52:15,650 --> 01:52:20,150
And they're-- they're really,
uh, comin' after me.
2280
01:52:20,180 --> 01:52:22,150
They showed up
at my mother's house.
2281
01:52:22,190 --> 01:52:24,070
The feeling in the pit
of your stomach
2282
01:52:24,100 --> 01:52:26,220
Knowing that scientology's
chief dirty-tricks pi
2283
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:28,560
Was just
on my mother's front step.
2284
01:52:28,580 --> 01:52:31,330
They've tried to destroy me,
there's no question.
2285
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,610
They create
anonymous websites about me,
2286
01:52:33,660 --> 01:52:36,160
And smear me
with a lot of garbage.
2287
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:38,580
Www.Whoistomdevocht.Com.
2288
01:52:38,620 --> 01:52:40,400
Whoispaulhaggis.Com.
2289
01:52:40,420 --> 01:52:42,790
"paul haggis,
the hypocrite of hollywood."
2290
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:46,510
"this guy is a sex pervert,"
or "this guy's a drug dealer."
2291
01:52:46,540 --> 01:52:48,260
In the meantime,
2292
01:52:48,290 --> 01:52:52,300
Survey carefully
to find out what
he most values and protects.
2293
01:52:52,350 --> 01:52:54,520
Immediately draw up
a three-prong program
2294
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:57,250
To threaten it effectively.
2295
01:52:57,270 --> 01:53:01,610
I don't value anything
more than monique.
2296
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,610
That's why this campaign
ended up on our doorstep.
2297
01:53:05,650 --> 01:53:07,450
Was she there?
2298
01:53:07,480 --> 01:53:11,450
I knew they had
their goons around.
2299
01:53:11,480 --> 01:53:16,540
And then the guy
rolls down in window
and i saw the truck.
2300
01:53:16,570 --> 01:53:18,910
And he starts filming,
and i go,
2301
01:53:18,940 --> 01:53:21,110
"okay, this is not good."
2302
01:53:21,130 --> 01:53:22,610
What's goin' on?
2303
01:53:22,630 --> 01:53:24,500
Oh, we're just doing
a documentary.
2304
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:25,750
A documentary?
2305
01:53:25,780 --> 01:53:28,000
Oh, a former
scientology deal.
2306
01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:30,170
But it would
probably be a good idea
if y'all went ahead--
2307
01:53:30,220 --> 01:53:31,720
Now that you've gotten
what you need,
2308
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:33,300
Go ahead and leave the area.
Sure.
2309
01:53:33,340 --> 01:53:35,060
Okay?
2310
01:53:35,090 --> 01:53:36,290
I don't know
who these people are.
2311
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:38,290
I don't know
what they're capable of.
2312
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:41,630
And now that i have my son...
2313
01:53:41,650 --> 01:53:45,850
I have
a little louisville slugger
i keep next to me.
2314
01:53:45,900 --> 01:53:50,270
It's been a nonstop onslaught,
for five years.
2315
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:51,770
I told you to leave.
Get out of here.
2316
01:53:51,810 --> 01:53:53,320
Oh no, i'm leaving.
2317
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:54,780
You can't even
defend yourself
on this can you?
2318
01:53:54,810 --> 01:53:56,310
What's your name?
2319
01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:57,780
I gave you my name, marty.
What's your name?
2320
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:59,500
Marty, i gave you my name.
2321
01:53:59,530 --> 01:54:02,620
The people on marty's doorstep
were sent by scientology
2322
01:54:02,650 --> 01:54:05,150
Because the church
had branded marty a "squirrel,"
2323
01:54:05,170 --> 01:54:07,670
A term invented by hubbard
for former members
2324
01:54:07,710 --> 01:54:09,490
Who threatened
church teachings.
2325
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:11,160
David miscavige had you
come all the way from...
2326
01:54:11,180 --> 01:54:12,460
Marty.
...San jose.
2327
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:15,300
Marty!
Man #2: You can't do that.
2328
01:54:15,330 --> 01:54:16,710
You can't do that, marty!
I just did it.
2329
01:54:16,770 --> 01:54:17,830
No, that's my
personal property, marty.
2330
01:54:17,850 --> 01:54:19,680
Yeah, that's right.
2331
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:21,520
I got arrested, man.
2332
01:54:21,550 --> 01:54:24,360
I got arrested for grabbing
this guy's glasses.
2333
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:26,170
I said, "don't look at her."
you understand that?
2334
01:54:26,190 --> 01:54:28,230
Yeah.
I heard her.
2335
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:30,730
Of course, the guy had been
stalking monique for two years.
2336
01:54:30,780 --> 01:54:32,980
He looks
like a leering pervert,
2337
01:54:33,020 --> 01:54:35,650
Like norman bates
from "psycho."
2338
01:54:35,690 --> 01:54:38,450
I didn't break his glasses.
2339
01:54:38,490 --> 01:54:42,290
I just removed them
from his-- from his face.
2340
01:54:46,380 --> 01:54:50,130
They got it all on videotape
from their surveillance house
2341
01:54:50,170 --> 01:54:53,050
That was filming 24/7, 365,
2342
01:54:53,090 --> 01:54:55,840
For five years,
across the street from us.
2343
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:03,440
This lawsuit
with monique rathbun--
2344
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:05,810
It's a brilliant
legal strategy.
2345
01:55:05,850 --> 01:55:07,880
If marty sues,
the church just says,
2346
01:55:07,900 --> 01:55:09,270
"this is
a first amendment fight.
2347
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:10,740
"this should not be
in a court of law."
2348
01:55:10,770 --> 01:55:12,320
But monique
was never in scientology.
2349
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:17,110
She's suing david miscavige
and asking to depose him.
2350
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:20,330
And scientology
will do anything to keep him
out of that situation.
2351
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:22,080
And the point is, judge,
2352
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:24,280
If you let me
make my presentation,
2353
01:55:24,330 --> 01:55:26,170
On first amendment law
2354
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:28,740
That comes from
the united states
supreme court...
2355
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:30,540
For every court date,
2356
01:55:30,570 --> 01:55:33,370
The church hires a bevy
of high-priced lawyers.
2357
01:55:33,410 --> 01:55:36,380
They are determined
to use every legal trick
in the book
2358
01:55:36,410 --> 01:55:38,630
To keep miscavige
from having to testify
2359
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:42,300
About church abuses
or whether the religion
of scientology
2360
01:55:42,350 --> 01:55:44,550
Is actually operated
like a business,
2361
01:55:44,590 --> 01:55:48,470
Controlled by the whims
of a single individual.
2362
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:53,280
In 2014,
miscavige celebrated
2363
01:55:53,310 --> 01:55:55,450
The ongoing expansion
of the church,
2364
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:57,700
But he was hiding
a terrible secret.
2365
01:55:57,730 --> 01:55:59,270
Good evening!
2366
01:55:59,290 --> 01:56:01,320
The church's
active membership
has dropped
2367
01:56:01,370 --> 01:56:03,070
To fewer
than 50,000 people,
2368
01:56:03,110 --> 01:56:07,270
Yet the financial value
of scientology is soaring.
2369
01:56:07,290 --> 01:56:09,130
How about we just say,
2370
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:14,170
2013 is the year
we went stratospheric?
2371
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:19,170
The church
is making investments
2372
01:56:19,220 --> 01:56:21,170
And buying
valuable real estate
all over the world.
2373
01:56:21,220 --> 01:56:25,140
That financial clout
gives scientology
enormous power.
2374
01:56:25,180 --> 01:56:27,460
It's a kind of
tax-free shell company
2375
01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:32,350
Growing past $3 billion
in assets.
2376
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:42,810
The church now
no longer has a public face.
2377
01:56:42,830 --> 01:56:45,110
There's no spokespeople,
2378
01:56:45,150 --> 01:56:47,280
They don't do
media interviews,
2379
01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:50,030
And that suits miscavige.
2380
01:56:50,090 --> 01:56:52,290
There is nobody
that he is willing
2381
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,160
To have be
the face of scientology
other than himself,
2382
01:56:55,170 --> 01:56:58,680
But he's afraid to
be interviewed by anybody
2383
01:56:58,710 --> 01:57:01,380
For fear that they're
gonna ask him questions
2384
01:57:01,430 --> 01:57:03,800
That he can't answer,
or doesn't want to answer.
2385
01:57:05,670 --> 01:57:08,220
Where are the checks
and balances on his power?
2386
01:57:08,270 --> 01:57:09,550
There is none.
2387
01:57:09,610 --> 01:57:11,340
So there are two things
that could happen.
2388
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:15,390
One is, the irs
would reconsider
its tax exemption.
2389
01:57:15,450 --> 01:57:19,730
The only other thing
is that some of these
celebrity megaphones
2390
01:57:19,780 --> 01:57:21,980
Could turn
against the church.
2391
01:57:22,020 --> 01:57:25,320
And tom cruise
should be leading
that chorus.
2392
01:57:29,290 --> 01:57:32,290
Is there anything
that you look back on,
2393
01:57:32,330 --> 01:57:34,700
In terms of your own career
in the church,
2394
01:57:34,710 --> 01:57:37,530
And think, "wow,
i wish i hadn't done that?"
2395
01:57:37,550 --> 01:57:40,720
You know, we talked
about karma earlier.
2396
01:57:40,750 --> 01:57:45,340
And, you know,
it still happens that
it's like it's just this--
2397
01:57:45,370 --> 01:57:49,380
I constantly get presented
with who i was,
2398
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:52,100
And, you know,
and i constantly
don't like what i see,
2399
01:57:52,150 --> 01:57:54,680
And i sort of constantly
keep dying deaths.
2400
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:56,600
Um, and--
2401
01:57:58,550 --> 01:58:00,720
I don't know how many
more deaths i have left,
2402
01:58:00,740 --> 01:58:03,560
But i-- but i--
2403
01:58:03,580 --> 01:58:06,490
But i regret
2404
01:58:06,530 --> 01:58:09,910
And i'm ashamed of, uh...
2405
01:58:11,330 --> 01:58:14,200
The entire experience,
you know?
2406
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,420
What i take away from it
is that we--
2407
01:58:16,460 --> 01:58:19,370
We lock up a portion
of our own mind.
2408
01:58:19,410 --> 01:58:23,680
We-- we willingly
put cuffs on.
2409
01:58:23,710 --> 01:58:27,260
We willingly avoid things
2410
01:58:27,300 --> 01:58:30,270
That will--
could cause us pain,
2411
01:58:30,300 --> 01:58:33,050
If we just--
if we looked.
2412
01:58:33,110 --> 01:58:35,470
If we can just
believe something,
2413
01:58:35,530 --> 01:58:38,110
Then we don't have to really
think for ourselves, do we?
2414
01:58:38,140 --> 01:58:41,600
And so i can't
damn these people
who aren't coming out,
2415
01:58:41,610 --> 01:58:45,780
Or who are hiding
once they come out
because they're ashamed.
2416
01:58:45,820 --> 01:58:47,790
You know, i--
2417
01:58:47,820 --> 01:58:50,740
I-- i feel the same shame.
2418
01:58:50,770 --> 01:58:54,160
And i just--
i'm fighting back
2419
01:58:54,210 --> 01:58:58,580
By communicating, you know?
It's a peaceful protest.
2420
01:58:58,610 --> 01:59:02,500
I want the truth to be known,
2421
01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:04,500
And...
2422
01:59:06,340 --> 01:59:07,760
Thank you.
2423
01:59:07,790 --> 01:59:09,490
You're welcome.
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