All language subtitles for Kingdom.Of.Silence.2020
Afrikaans
Akan
Albanian
Amharic
Arabic
Armenian
Azerbaijani
Basque
Belarusian
Bemba
Bengali
Bihari
Bosnian
Breton
Bulgarian
Cambodian
Catalan
Cebuano
Cherokee
Chichewa
Chinese (Simplified)
Chinese (Traditional)
Corsican
Croatian
Czech
Danish
Dutch
English
Esperanto
Estonian
Ewe
Faroese
Filipino
Finnish
French
Frisian
Ga
Galician
Georgian
German
Greek
Guarani
Gujarati
Haitian Creole
Hausa
Hawaiian
Hebrew
Hindi
Hmong
Hungarian
Icelandic
Igbo
Indonesian
Interlingua
Irish
Italian
Japanese
Javanese
Kannada
Kazakh
Kinyarwanda
Kirundi
Kongo
Korean
Krio (Sierra Leone)
Kurdish
Kurdish (Soranî)
Kyrgyz
Laothian
Latin
Latvian
Lingala
Lithuanian
Lozi
Luganda
Luo
Luxembourgish
Macedonian
Malagasy
Malay
Malayalam
Maltese
Maori
Marathi
Mauritian Creole
Moldavian
Mongolian
Myanmar (Burmese)
Montenegrin
Nepali
Nigerian Pidgin
Northern Sotho
Norwegian
Norwegian (Nynorsk)
Occitan
Oriya
Oromo
Pashto
Persian
Polish
Portuguese (Brazil)
Portuguese (Portugal)
Punjabi
Quechua
Romanian
Romansh
Runyakitara
Russian
Samoan
Scots Gaelic
Serbian
Serbo-Croatian
Sesotho
Setswana
Seychellois Creole
Shona
Sindhi
Sinhalese
Slovak
Slovenian
Somali
Spanish
Spanish (Latin American)
Sundanese
Swahili
Swedish
Tajik
Tamil
Tatar
Telugu
Thai
Tigrinya
Tonga
Tshiluba
Tumbuka
Turkish
Turkmen
Twi
Uighur
Ukrainian
Urdu
Uzbek
Vietnamese
Welsh
Wolof
Xhosa
Yiddish
Yoruba
Zulu
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:23,064 --> 00:00:26,860
[faint indistinct chatter]
2
00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:31,031
dramatic music
3
00:00:31,072 --> 00:00:36,286
4
00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:40,331
[static crackling]
5
00:00:40,373 --> 00:00:41,541
[man] Today the United Nations released
6
00:00:41,583 --> 00:00:43,793
a report on the assassination
7
00:00:43,835 --> 00:00:46,880
ofWashington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi,
8
00:00:46,921 --> 00:00:49,090
and I must warn you this report
9
00:00:49,132 --> 00:00:50,341
is the most horrifying thing
10
00:00:50,383 --> 00:00:52,969
that I've ever had to read from this chair.
11
00:00:53,011 --> 00:00:54,471
- It says... - [woman] On Tuesday,
12
00:00:54,512 --> 00:00:57,515
Jamal Khashoggi walked into this Saudi consulate...
13
00:00:57,557 --> 00:00:59,017
[man] ...and seemed to vanish.
14
00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:00,310
[man] There is an anxiety
15
00:01:00,351 --> 00:01:02,604
that he could have been spirited out of the country.
16
00:01:02,645 --> 00:01:04,564
[woman] The Saudi government still offering
17
00:01:04,606 --> 00:01:06,274
conflicting narratives...
18
00:01:06,316 --> 00:01:09,277
[Salem] Jamal worked directly for the royal family
19
00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,779
in different capacities.
20
00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:12,697
He was a loyal Saudi,
21
00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:15,366
but how he defined that loyalty
22
00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:17,952
over time changed...
23
00:01:17,994 --> 00:01:20,497
speaking Arabic
24
00:01:20,538 --> 00:01:21,456
[laughter]
25
00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:22,957
[Salem] ...as did the kingdom itself.
26
00:01:22,999 --> 00:01:26,252
[woman] Turkish officials have audio and video recordings
27
00:01:26,294 --> 00:01:27,962
that prove the journalist was...
28
00:01:28,004 --> 00:01:29,339
[woman] ...strangled as soon as he entered
29
00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:30,465
the Saudi consulate.
30
00:01:30,507 --> 00:01:31,800
[man] ...killed during a fistfight.
31
00:01:31,841 --> 00:01:33,176
[woman] ...asphyxiated with a plastic bag.
32
00:01:33,218 --> 00:01:34,677
[man] Khashoggi was tortured, murdered...
33
00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,473
[Wright] Jamal enjoyed access to princely protection,
34
00:01:38,515 --> 00:01:43,019
but that protection depended upon the princes themselves
35
00:01:43,061 --> 00:01:44,270
having influence.
36
00:01:44,312 --> 00:01:45,563
[Maloney] He was already in danger,
37
00:01:45,605 --> 00:01:48,316
but this was exponentially more dangerous.
38
00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:52,529
The Saudi monarchy operates like the Mafia,
39
00:01:52,570 --> 00:01:54,322
and you don't cross the godfather.
40
00:01:54,364 --> 00:01:56,741
[man] This lays out in forensic detail
41
00:01:56,783 --> 00:01:59,744
how they planned to murder him, to dismember him.
42
00:01:59,786 --> 00:02:01,663
- [man] ...fingers cut off... - [man] ...joints separated...
43
00:02:01,704 --> 00:02:03,289
[woman] You could hear them laughing.
44
00:02:03,331 --> 00:02:05,875
We were always doing all this work for something bigger,
45
00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:07,502
for country, for king.
46
00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:09,754
Anybody that tells you that they know
47
00:02:09,796 --> 00:02:13,633
every aspect of Jamal's life, they are 100% lying to you.
48
00:02:13,675 --> 00:02:14,843
[man] ...calling for the administration
49
00:02:14,884 --> 00:02:16,136
to punish Saudi Arabia.
50
00:02:16,177 --> 00:02:18,429
[man] There's not a smoking gun; there's a smoking saw.
51
00:02:18,471 --> 00:02:20,014
[man] This is the worst moment
52
00:02:20,056 --> 00:02:22,267
in U.S.-Saudi relations since 9/11.
53
00:02:22,308 --> 00:02:25,812
[Obaid] I mean, the moral of the story is...
54
00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:28,022
the moral of the story is that there is no moral.
55
00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:29,482
There is no morality.
56
00:02:29,524 --> 00:02:30,817
I mean, what is the morality of this?
57
00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:33,194
I wouldn't be able to give you an answer.
58
00:02:33,236 --> 00:02:34,279
[static crackling]
59
00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,905
[man] There are reports the CIA
60
00:02:35,947 --> 00:02:37,115
now has high confidence
61
00:02:37,157 --> 00:02:39,659
the murder was ordered by the Saudi crown prince...
62
00:02:39,701 --> 00:02:42,453
[man] The United States is condoning the murder
63
00:02:42,495 --> 00:02:43,830
of a U.S. resident...
64
00:02:43,872 --> 00:02:45,957
[Trump] Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't.
65
00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:46,958
They did not know...
66
00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,169
[woman] Why kill Jamal Khashoggi?
67
00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:54,424
68
00:03:00,388 --> 00:03:02,223
[man] Okay, go ahead.
69
00:03:02,265 --> 00:03:03,224
[woman] Okay, great.
70
00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:04,601
Are you-are you looking off camera?
71
00:03:04,642 --> 00:03:06,144
[man] Yeah, he's looking off camera.
72
00:03:06,186 --> 00:03:07,687
[woman] Okay, thanks. Great.
73
00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:08,855
How do I describe you?
74
00:03:08,897 --> 00:03:11,399
Like, what kind of title should I give you?
75
00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:14,485
I'm a Saudi journalist, uh,
76
00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:16,070
self-exiled in Washington.
77
00:03:16,112 --> 00:03:18,364
[Faris as Khashoggi] I write for The Washington Post.
78
00:03:18,406 --> 00:03:22,035
[woman] Okay, and why? Why did you self-exile?
79
00:03:22,076 --> 00:03:23,912
[Faris as Khashoggi] How breathtakingly fast
80
00:03:23,953 --> 00:03:27,665
you can fall out of favor.
81
00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:30,585
It is all quite shocking.
82
00:03:32,128 --> 00:03:36,925
Saudi Arabia is the only home we know or want,
83
00:03:36,966 --> 00:03:39,135
yet we are the enemy.
84
00:03:40,803 --> 00:03:44,057
How did all this change?
85
00:03:44,098 --> 00:03:46,768
[engine rumbling]
86
00:03:49,979 --> 00:03:52,565
I was a teenager in the 1970s
87
00:03:52,607 --> 00:03:56,903
and grew up in the markets around the Prophet's Mosque.
88
00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:59,739
As a Saudi journalist starting my career,
89
00:03:59,781 --> 00:04:03,326
I witnessed phenomenal growth and expansion.
90
00:04:03,368 --> 00:04:06,913
Scholars and the people were brimming with expectations.
91
00:04:06,955 --> 00:04:08,456
And the United States
92
00:04:08,498 --> 00:04:11,501
was our most important trading partner,
93
00:04:11,542 --> 00:04:13,253
importer of Saudi oil
94
00:04:13,294 --> 00:04:16,464
and our main source of weapons.
95
00:04:20,009 --> 00:04:21,928
[Rundell] The Saudi-American relationship
96
00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:24,722
started as a commercial relationship.
97
00:04:24,764 --> 00:04:29,978
The Saudis were a reservoir of global energy.
98
00:04:31,437 --> 00:04:35,441
I was a foreign service officer for 30 years.
99
00:04:35,483 --> 00:04:38,194
Basically, everybody from Jimmy Carter
100
00:04:38,236 --> 00:04:40,154
to, uh, Barack Obama.
101
00:04:41,072 --> 00:04:42,615
There's really nobody--
102
00:04:42,657 --> 00:04:43,700
and I say that perhaps
103
00:04:43,741 --> 00:04:45,535
somewhat forcefully, but it's true,
104
00:04:45,576 --> 00:04:47,120
that there is no other American
105
00:04:47,161 --> 00:04:49,122
with my level of experience.
106
00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:52,667
The American government really had no relations
107
00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:56,879
with Saudi Arabia until what's today Chevron
108
00:04:56,921 --> 00:04:59,882
went there and began to drill for oil.
109
00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:04,762
[Brennan] Administration after administration,
110
00:05:04,804 --> 00:05:07,432
in the '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s,
111
00:05:07,473 --> 00:05:11,436
wanted to make sure that the government, uh, in Riyadh,
112
00:05:11,477 --> 00:05:14,772
uh, was going to be, uh, one that was closely aligned
113
00:05:14,814 --> 00:05:16,607
with the United States.
114
00:05:17,734 --> 00:05:21,821
I was working at the CIA in Saudi Arabia
115
00:05:21,863 --> 00:05:24,574
in the early 1980s.
116
00:05:24,615 --> 00:05:28,870
It was soon after King Fahd rose to the throne.
117
00:05:28,911 --> 00:05:30,371
And during that period
118
00:05:30,413 --> 00:05:32,123
there was a significant infusion
119
00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:36,336
of military support to the fledging Saudi military.
120
00:05:36,377 --> 00:05:38,504
We were very concerned about making sure
121
00:05:38,546 --> 00:05:41,215
the Saudi monarchy was going to be stable.
122
00:05:41,257 --> 00:05:42,717
[indistinct chatter]
123
00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:45,219
[Wright] Saudi Arabia is divided
124
00:05:45,261 --> 00:05:47,305
into the royals and the nonroyals,
125
00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:48,848
and the royals own everything.
126
00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:51,517
You know, it's named after their family.
127
00:05:51,559 --> 00:05:55,480
The whole kingdom is Saudi Arabia,
128
00:05:55,521 --> 00:05:58,858
ruled by the sons of King Abdulaziz
129
00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:01,194
for a hundred years.
130
00:06:01,235 --> 00:06:02,987
You can get totally lost
131
00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:06,449
in the Kremlinology of the Saudi royal family.
132
00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:07,700
[indistinct chatter]
133
00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:10,995
But it's a family, and they govern by consensus.
134
00:06:11,037 --> 00:06:13,790
There are spats and there are factions,
135
00:06:13,831 --> 00:06:15,917
but until recently,
136
00:06:15,958 --> 00:06:18,836
decisions would be made by consensus.
137
00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:22,673
And in the category of nonroyals,
138
00:06:22,715 --> 00:06:25,927
Jamal Khashoggi carried a lot of influence.
139
00:06:26,803 --> 00:06:29,472
I don't think there was any place in Saudi Arabia
140
00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:31,599
that was closed to him.
141
00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:33,851
It wasn't just that he was powerful.
142
00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:34,894
People liked him.
143
00:06:34,936 --> 00:06:36,145
[helicopter rotors whirring]
144
00:06:36,187 --> 00:06:38,981
Jamal had an interesting analysis
145
00:06:39,023 --> 00:06:42,527
of the problems of Saudi Arabia.
146
00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:44,237
We talked about the schizophrenia
147
00:06:44,278 --> 00:06:47,115
that so many Saudis had expressed to me.
148
00:06:47,156 --> 00:06:48,533
[indistinct chatter]
149
00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:50,993
It's undemocratic. It's intolerant.
150
00:06:51,035 --> 00:06:54,163
It is one step below a theocracy.
151
00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:56,207
From the beginning of our relationship,
152
00:06:56,249 --> 00:07:00,044
America's had this tie to this distinctly
153
00:07:00,086 --> 00:07:02,213
non-American entity
154
00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:05,883
and has enabled it, up to this day, to survive.
155
00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:07,093
[man] speaking Arabic
156
00:07:07,135 --> 00:07:09,262
[Rundell] To call them authoritarian
157
00:07:09,303 --> 00:07:12,557
is true in an absolute sense,
158
00:07:12,598 --> 00:07:15,393
but really, most administrations
159
00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:17,812
who deal with Saudi Arabia over time
160
00:07:17,854 --> 00:07:21,107
become aware of the fact that Saudi Arabia
161
00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:24,652
is a valuable friend, a valuable ally,
162
00:07:24,694 --> 00:07:27,447
and to throw that under the bus is a bad idea.
163
00:07:27,488 --> 00:07:30,158
[call to prayer playing over loudspeakers]
164
00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:34,370
[Wright] Saudi Arabia was a part of the world
165
00:07:34,412 --> 00:07:36,664
that we didn't care about, except for the oil.
166
00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:39,041
They can believe what they want to believe
167
00:07:39,083 --> 00:07:41,294
as long as they keep pumping.
168
00:07:41,335 --> 00:07:43,588
But that totally changed
169
00:07:43,629 --> 00:07:45,756
when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan
170
00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:47,675
in December '79.
171
00:07:47,717 --> 00:07:51,262
[artillery firing]
172
00:07:53,514 --> 00:07:56,684
[gunfire]
173
00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:08,112
Afghanistan was the major Islamic cause
174
00:08:08,154 --> 00:08:10,781
in Saudi Arabia in the '80s.
175
00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:12,825
Americans did not want to appear
176
00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:16,412
as if they are in direct war with the Soviet Union,
177
00:08:16,454 --> 00:08:18,748
so we in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
178
00:08:18,789 --> 00:08:20,750
were doing a cover-up in the operation,
179
00:08:20,791 --> 00:08:22,043
which was an open secret.
180
00:08:22,084 --> 00:08:23,336
Everybody knew about it,
181
00:08:23,377 --> 00:08:26,130
this Saudi-American-Pakistani campaign
182
00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:29,050
to drive the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan.
183
00:08:29,091 --> 00:08:31,844
184
00:08:31,886 --> 00:08:34,347
I do not deny that I had sympathy
185
00:08:34,388 --> 00:08:35,598
toward the Afghan cause,
186
00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:40,186
because, uh, I myself come out from Islamic circles,
187
00:08:40,228 --> 00:08:43,022
and I still believe it was a just cause.
188
00:08:43,064 --> 00:08:47,151
And Saudi Arabia should be appreciated for that.
189
00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:51,280
And it was a big story, which, uh, kind of, uh, made my name
190
00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:52,782
in the field of journalism.
191
00:08:52,823 --> 00:08:55,451
[all] chanting in Arabic
192
00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:03,167
[chanting continues]
193
00:09:03,209 --> 00:09:08,422
194
00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:11,259
[Faris as Khashoggi] TheArab News,
195
00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:14,887
Afghanistan, May 4, 1988.
196
00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:18,057
A report by Jamal Khashoggi.
197
00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:21,394
Muslims are one nation.
198
00:09:21,435 --> 00:09:23,938
Despite geographical barriers
199
00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:27,066
and differences in color and language,
200
00:09:27,108 --> 00:09:30,278
they consider themselves brothers.
201
00:09:31,487 --> 00:09:36,284
As many as 1,000 Arab youths are here in Afghanistan.
202
00:09:36,325 --> 00:09:39,954
They are actively involved in the war.
203
00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:43,791
Most come from Saudi Arabia, Egypt,
204
00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:45,751
Algeria, Morocco.
205
00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:49,297
The assistant to the commander
206
00:09:49,338 --> 00:09:52,508
of the northern Panjshir base is an Algerian
207
00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:54,760
named Abdullah Anas.
208
00:09:54,802 --> 00:09:56,804
209
00:09:56,846 --> 00:09:59,515
[Anas] So you have to cross seven mountains
210
00:09:59,557 --> 00:10:02,393
to come from Pakistan.
211
00:10:02,435 --> 00:10:05,187
Jamal Khashoggi, I remember,
212
00:10:05,229 --> 00:10:07,523
we come across with him.
213
00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:10,026
You are talking about a journey
214
00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:14,363
where, uh, could have, uh, avalanche, snow.
215
00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:16,574
You could face air strikes.
216
00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:20,244
You could, uh, face ambushes from the Soviets.
217
00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:22,830
But on top of being scared,
218
00:10:22,872 --> 00:10:24,373
you are more excited
219
00:10:24,415 --> 00:10:26,459
because you feel this is a gift
220
00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:27,918
you are gifted by Allah,
221
00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,879
that you are part of the mujahideen,
222
00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,297
you are, uh, um...
223
00:10:31,339 --> 00:10:34,133
finally, you are, uh, making the history
224
00:10:34,175 --> 00:10:38,554
with these heroes and these, uh-uh, brave people.
225
00:10:38,596 --> 00:10:41,515
So all this makes you forget that threat,
226
00:10:41,557 --> 00:10:45,478
forget the-the fear, forget, uh, everything.
227
00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:50,733
228
00:10:51,901 --> 00:10:55,196
speaking Arabic
229
00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,752
230
00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:12,129
[artillery firing]
231
00:11:13,464 --> 00:11:15,466
[Wright] Jamal went to Afghanistan
232
00:11:15,508 --> 00:11:17,760
to be a war correspondent.
233
00:11:17,802 --> 00:11:20,596
He did not have much of a reputation then,
234
00:11:20,638 --> 00:11:22,932
but there was this little group of Arabs
235
00:11:22,973 --> 00:11:25,017
led by Osama bin Laden,
236
00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:28,229
who was, at that point, practically unknown.
237
00:11:29,355 --> 00:11:33,526
It was a propitious moment in Jamal's career.
238
00:11:33,567 --> 00:11:35,653
They got to be friends.
239
00:11:37,655 --> 00:11:40,866
He was somewhat blinded
240
00:11:40,908 --> 00:11:42,618
by the charisma
241
00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:45,871
and-and the-the sense of history
242
00:11:45,913 --> 00:11:47,832
that surrounded this young man.
243
00:11:47,873 --> 00:11:50,918
244
00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,255
[Anas] speaking Arabic
245
00:12:08,018 --> 00:12:09,770
[Khashoggi] I met Osama the first time
246
00:12:09,812 --> 00:12:11,313
at the end of '87,
247
00:12:11,355 --> 00:12:14,400
and that's where I took the first picture of him ever
248
00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:17,570
to be printed in any media.
249
00:12:17,611 --> 00:12:20,406
He was the leader or, as he used to be called,
250
00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:23,409
the emir of the Arab mujahideen in Afghanistan.
251
00:12:23,451 --> 00:12:25,286
[Wright] Osama bin Laden
252
00:12:25,327 --> 00:12:27,997
became Saudi Arabia's first celebrity,
253
00:12:28,038 --> 00:12:30,791
a category that didn't exist in Saudi Arabia
254
00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:33,294
until that time, and I think, to some extent,
255
00:12:33,335 --> 00:12:36,213
Jamal helped him become that person.
256
00:12:42,803 --> 00:12:44,013
[Bishara] Jamal and I,
257
00:12:44,054 --> 00:12:46,348
I mean, I was actually an opinion page writer,
258
00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:49,018
so we would meet every once in a while,
259
00:12:49,059 --> 00:12:51,312
uh, along with other colleagues.
260
00:12:52,938 --> 00:12:56,650
Jamal was one of those important sources,
261
00:12:56,692 --> 00:12:57,902
a treasure, I would say.
262
00:12:57,943 --> 00:13:00,571
He was sitting on this crossroad of relationship
263
00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:03,574
between Saudi Arabia and the United States
264
00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:06,911
fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
265
00:13:06,952 --> 00:13:09,121
But of course, we would take a lot of what he said
266
00:13:09,163 --> 00:13:12,708
with grain of salt because he was, at the time,
267
00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:15,544
associated with the Saudi establishment.
268
00:13:17,463 --> 00:13:21,091
There weren't many Saudi or other journalists
269
00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:24,720
who had access to bin Laden or to those groups.
270
00:13:24,762 --> 00:13:27,264
These were different times.
271
00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:29,350
The United States and Saudi Arabia
272
00:13:29,391 --> 00:13:31,268
celebrated radical Islam
273
00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:32,686
as long as radical Islam
274
00:13:32,728 --> 00:13:36,398
was directly against communism.
275
00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,567
[Soufan] I started working on Osama bin Laden
276
00:13:38,609 --> 00:13:42,154
for the National Security Division here in New York.
277
00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:44,240
I read Arabic media,
278
00:13:44,281 --> 00:13:46,826
and I knew of Jamal Khashoggi,
279
00:13:46,867 --> 00:13:49,870
and I knew about his... you know, his-his writings
280
00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:52,540
and his relationship with the Saudi government.
281
00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:55,918
The Saudis had a lot to gain
282
00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,378
from promoting Osama bin Laden,
283
00:13:57,419 --> 00:14:00,005
and Jamal was part of that effort.
284
00:14:00,047 --> 00:14:02,675
Afghan jihad made Osama bin Laden.
285
00:14:02,716 --> 00:14:04,552
But the Saudis were not doing their own thing
286
00:14:04,593 --> 00:14:05,636
in Afghanistan.
287
00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:07,847
It was a part of the U.S.'s strategy.
288
00:14:07,888 --> 00:14:11,392
We gave them Stinger missiles, for heaven's sake.
289
00:14:14,186 --> 00:14:16,230
The Saudis were working very closely
290
00:14:16,272 --> 00:14:17,565
with the United States.
291
00:14:17,606 --> 00:14:19,692
They used to come and visit Ronald Reagan
292
00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:21,151
in the White House.
293
00:14:21,193 --> 00:14:24,738
We had recruitment offices here in the United States.
294
00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:26,031
[laughter]
295
00:14:26,073 --> 00:14:27,783
This is when the Saudi interests,
296
00:14:27,825 --> 00:14:30,828
our interests, Osama bin Laden's interests
297
00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:32,037
were all the same:
298
00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:34,498
defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan.
299
00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,751
[applause]
300
00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:41,380
On behalf of the American people,
301
00:14:41,422 --> 00:14:44,383
I salute Chairman Khalis,
302
00:14:44,425 --> 00:14:45,759
his delegation,
303
00:14:45,801 --> 00:14:48,888
and the people of Afghanistan themselves.
304
00:14:48,929 --> 00:14:51,682
You are a nation of heroes. God bless you.
305
00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:53,017
[applause]
306
00:14:53,058 --> 00:14:54,518
[Clarke] During the Reagan administration,
307
00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,937
I was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
308
00:14:56,979 --> 00:14:58,814
for Intelligence,
309
00:14:58,856 --> 00:15:02,026
and we were very much focused on the war in Afghanistan
310
00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:03,694
on a day-to-day basis, uh,
311
00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:07,197
calculating how many Russian helicopters had been shot down.
312
00:15:07,239 --> 00:15:08,449
They applauded.
313
00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:09,909
The soldiers actually applauded.
314
00:15:09,950 --> 00:15:11,577
[Clarke] We followed the progress
315
00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:12,703
of the mujahideen
316
00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:15,456
in combating the Soviet troops,
317
00:15:15,497 --> 00:15:18,542
and these were really mountain people,
318
00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:20,794
Afghan tribal leaders.
319
00:15:20,836 --> 00:15:23,172
And the only thing we really had in common with them
320
00:15:23,213 --> 00:15:25,925
was, we both wanted to defeat the Soviets.
321
00:15:25,966 --> 00:15:28,469
We had nothing else in common.
322
00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:31,055
[Wright] For the U.S.,
323
00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:33,432
spreading this kind of radical Islam
324
00:15:33,474 --> 00:15:35,351
was not seen in those days as a threat.
325
00:15:35,392 --> 00:15:36,602
It was just a tool.
326
00:15:36,644 --> 00:15:38,520
Thank you very much.
327
00:15:38,562 --> 00:15:41,857
[Wright] No one ever really thought about the aftermath.
328
00:15:41,899 --> 00:15:44,068
[gunfire]
329
00:15:44,109 --> 00:15:46,111
[Rather] The retreat of Soviet military power
330
00:15:46,153 --> 00:15:47,696
from Afghanistan is complete.
331
00:15:47,738 --> 00:15:50,491
Fear and uncertainty were mixed with joy today
332
00:15:50,532 --> 00:15:52,576
as the commander of Soviet troops
333
00:15:52,618 --> 00:15:54,828
followed the last of his men across the border,
334
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:57,831
leaving the communist Afghan regime alone
335
00:15:57,873 --> 00:16:00,459
to face victorious resistance fighters.
336
00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:03,462
uneasy music
337
00:16:03,504 --> 00:16:08,717
338
00:16:13,764 --> 00:16:16,308
[Anas] Those days, those years,
339
00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:18,727
it's the heaven of my life.
340
00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:21,563
I will never regret those days.
341
00:16:21,605 --> 00:16:24,274
342
00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:28,153
The mujahideen came to Kabul in one caravan.
343
00:16:28,195 --> 00:16:31,365
I remember-still remember seeing Jamal Khashoggi,
344
00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:33,242
"Oh, brother Abdullah."
345
00:16:33,283 --> 00:16:34,618
Jamal also was excited
346
00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,788
because this is the moment he was waiting for, uh,
347
00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:39,873
like the hundreds of Arabs.
348
00:16:40,749 --> 00:16:42,668
[Khashoggi] I approved of the war
349
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:45,004
against the Soviet Union,
350
00:16:45,045 --> 00:16:49,550
but in 1990 and on, it was not the same.
351
00:16:49,591 --> 00:16:53,387
Al-Qaeda was established around that time,
352
00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:55,806
and I covered Osama bin Laden
353
00:16:55,848 --> 00:17:00,728
when he was, uh, part of, uh, a campaign
354
00:17:00,769 --> 00:17:03,022
which I agreed,
355
00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:06,567
but I saw him change.
356
00:17:07,776 --> 00:17:10,362
Afghanistan had become so ugly.
357
00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:12,906
Abdullah Anas, a friend, he said to me once
358
00:17:12,948 --> 00:17:15,159
that he did not like it very much.
359
00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,452
It was full of divisions,
360
00:17:16,493 --> 00:17:20,039
full of envy and poisonous ideas.
361
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,082
I think he was right.
362
00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:27,379
This happiness slowly, slowly started to-to transfer
363
00:17:27,421 --> 00:17:28,964
to a nightmare,
364
00:17:29,006 --> 00:17:31,091
to a funeral,
365
00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:36,180
and then the rockets started coming from everywhere.
366
00:17:37,598 --> 00:17:40,100
So all that dream, gone.
367
00:17:40,142 --> 00:17:43,771
Replaced by civil war.
368
00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,564
somber music
369
00:17:45,606 --> 00:17:49,651
[Clarke] If we had just left Afghanistan alone,
370
00:17:49,693 --> 00:17:51,695
in 20/20 hindsight,
371
00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:54,948
I think things might have been better, uh, in the long run.
372
00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:57,367
373
00:17:57,409 --> 00:17:58,911
[Brennan] Both within CIA
374
00:17:58,952 --> 00:18:00,621
as well as in the Saudi government,
375
00:18:00,662 --> 00:18:03,540
there was a sense of accomplishment.
376
00:18:03,582 --> 00:18:07,127
There were certainly missteps that had consequences,
377
00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:08,879
uh, negative consequences, whatever,
378
00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:11,256
but, uh, that's history.
379
00:18:11,298 --> 00:18:12,841
380
00:18:12,883 --> 00:18:15,260
[jet engine whooshing]
381
00:18:18,263 --> 00:18:21,475
[crowd screaming]
382
00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:26,522
[sirens wailing]
383
00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:31,944
[horns blaring]
384
00:18:34,905 --> 00:18:38,325
[panicked chatter]
385
00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:44,081
[sirens blaring]
386
00:18:44,748 --> 00:18:47,876
[Faris as Khashoggi] I collapsed crying a while ago.
387
00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:52,923
Why did 15 of our young men take part in the attacks?
388
00:18:54,842 --> 00:18:57,678
What can we tell these boys' mothers?
389
00:18:58,595 --> 00:19:03,142
Will we repeat the lie that they were martyred for Islam?
390
00:19:05,602 --> 00:19:08,480
I collapsed crying a while ago,
391
00:19:08,522 --> 00:19:11,984
heartbroken for you, Osama.
392
00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:13,610
You were beautiful and brave
393
00:19:13,652 --> 00:19:17,698
in those beautiful days in Afghanistan
394
00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:21,827
before you surrendered to hatred and rage.
395
00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:27,249
What happened in the last ten years?
396
00:19:31,378 --> 00:19:33,463
We must ensure that our children
397
00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:37,426
can never be influenced by extremist ideas,
398
00:19:37,467 --> 00:19:39,261
like those 15 Saudis
399
00:19:39,303 --> 00:19:42,472
who were misled into hijacking four planes
400
00:19:42,514 --> 00:19:45,726
that fine September day,
401
00:19:45,767 --> 00:19:48,353
piloting them and us
402
00:19:48,395 --> 00:19:52,941
straight into the jaws of hell.
403
00:19:52,983 --> 00:19:58,238
404
00:20:00,991 --> 00:20:02,951
[Clarke] A lot of us felt rage,
405
00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:04,912
rage against our own government
406
00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:06,663
that we were part of.
407
00:20:06,705 --> 00:20:09,499
Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudis,
408
00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:11,627
and the warnings were clear,
409
00:20:11,668 --> 00:20:14,796
but they were ignored at the highest levels,
410
00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:16,256
uh, repeatedly,
411
00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:17,466
and the price was enormous.
412
00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:20,886
[indistinct chatter]
413
00:20:20,928 --> 00:20:22,429
[gavel banging]
414
00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:30,312
[Kean] Our next witness is Mr. Richard Clarke,
415
00:20:30,354 --> 00:20:32,356
who served as a former National Coordinator
416
00:20:32,397 --> 00:20:35,234
for Counterterrorism at the National Security Council.
417
00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:37,194
[Clarke] I think the Saudi government knew
418
00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:39,863
that they were at risk of the American people
419
00:20:39,905 --> 00:20:42,908
and the American Congress and the American media
420
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:46,620
going after them, uh, for having supported, uh, al-Qaeda.
421
00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:51,333
To the loved ones of the victims of 9/11,
422
00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:53,877
to them who are here in the room,
423
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:57,923
to those who are watching on television,
424
00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:01,218
your government failed you.
425
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:06,390
Those entrusted with protecting you failed you.
426
00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:09,184
And I failed you.
427
00:21:09,226 --> 00:21:11,687
[Rhodes] I worked two years for the Democratic
428
00:21:11,728 --> 00:21:13,981
Vice Chairman of the 9/11 Commission,
429
00:21:14,022 --> 00:21:16,984
and one of the areas of research that I did for him
430
00:21:17,025 --> 00:21:19,319
was Saudi Arabia, and...
431
00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:22,948
and, um, you know,
432
00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:25,409
as someone who witnessed 9/11, who's a New Yorker,
433
00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:26,827
it wasn't just the reality
434
00:21:26,868 --> 00:21:30,080
that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi
435
00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,958
but also that a lot of the financing for al-Qaeda
436
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,627
came from wealthy Saudi individuals.
437
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:37,337
[indistinct chatter]
438
00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:40,132
[Rundell] You gotta remember that the 3,000 dead Americans
439
00:21:40,173 --> 00:21:41,675
were not the result of anything
440
00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:43,719
that the Saudi government did.
441
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,221
You could argue that by supporting
442
00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:48,140
the mujahideen in the first place,
443
00:21:48,181 --> 00:21:51,393
they had encouraged this idea of jihad,
444
00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:53,562
and I think that's-that's fair enough.
445
00:21:53,603 --> 00:21:54,563
So had we.
446
00:21:54,604 --> 00:21:57,107
447
00:21:57,149 --> 00:21:59,735
[Wright] I don't know if Jamal had regrets
448
00:21:59,776 --> 00:22:02,237
about his past life.
449
00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:04,781
He did evolve away from things.
450
00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:08,785
Jamal looked at bin Laden with stars in his eyes
451
00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:13,040
when he was young, and then he became disillusioned.
452
00:22:13,081 --> 00:22:17,127
He began to hate what bin Laden had become and...
453
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:21,298
you know, and what he had done to Saudi society and to Islam.
454
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:24,092
So he became a Saudi defender
455
00:22:24,134 --> 00:22:26,887
and a supporter of the royal family.
456
00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:28,221
[phone rings]
457
00:22:28,263 --> 00:22:31,224
tense music
458
00:22:33,393 --> 00:22:36,229
[bin Laden] speaking Arabic
459
00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:48,033
[Anas] speaking Arabic
460
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:15,811
[Salem] Jamal was a loyal Saudi.
461
00:23:15,852 --> 00:23:19,981
And I think how he defined that loyalty over time
462
00:23:20,023 --> 00:23:22,442
clearly evolved and changed,
463
00:23:22,484 --> 00:23:24,277
as did the kingdom itself.
464
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:29,116
He may have seen it as the least bad option.
465
00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,411
I met Jamal when I was working
466
00:23:32,452 --> 00:23:34,246
at the Middle East Institute.
467
00:23:34,287 --> 00:23:36,373
He was like a big teddy bear.
468
00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,166
There was just a genuineness.
469
00:23:38,208 --> 00:23:41,920
Always a smile, even in the worst of times.
470
00:23:41,962 --> 00:23:45,090
He, in many ways, was like a big brother to me.
471
00:23:45,132 --> 00:23:47,050
That was our relationship.
472
00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:48,385
[all] speaking Arabic
473
00:23:48,427 --> 00:23:51,638
[Salem] At the time, he worked for the al-Faisals,
474
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,558
who were seen as sort of the intelligentsia
475
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:56,810
of the royal family.
476
00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,855
[Brennan] The Saudis were rather reluctant partners
477
00:23:59,896 --> 00:24:01,231
after 9/11,
478
00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:03,692
but Turki al-Faisal was well-known
479
00:24:03,733 --> 00:24:05,527
for believing strongly in the importance
480
00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:07,362
of a U.S.-Saudi relationship.
481
00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:11,158
He was my counterpart in Saudi Arabia in the '90s.
482
00:24:11,199 --> 00:24:12,909
King Fahd was ill and infirm
483
00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:15,454
and not in day-to-day charge of the government,
484
00:24:15,495 --> 00:24:17,831
and so Turki was determined to make sure
485
00:24:17,873 --> 00:24:20,375
that that relationship between Riyadh and Washington
486
00:24:20,417 --> 00:24:23,128
was going to not just remain strong
487
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:24,880
but in fact be strengthened.
488
00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:28,508
[applause]
489
00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:32,220
There are those who would have you believe
490
00:24:32,262 --> 00:24:35,098
that the current wave of terrorism
491
00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:38,768
springs from and is or has been
492
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:41,480
supported by Saudi Arabia.
493
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:44,483
That is absolutely not true.
494
00:24:44,524 --> 00:24:46,318
[Brennan] After 9/11, Prince Turki
495
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,612
became Saudi ambassador to London.
496
00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:51,031
Jamal was somebody who had a good reputation
497
00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:53,825
in the international media, and I think Turki thought
498
00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:57,287
that Jamal's voice would be a useful one
499
00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:58,747
in trying to battle
500
00:24:58,788 --> 00:25:02,834
this very broad misimpression
501
00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:04,711
of Saudi Arabia as a whole.
502
00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:08,131
[train whistle blows]
503
00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:11,176
gentle music
504
00:25:11,218 --> 00:25:14,137
505
00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:17,641
[Wright] I went to London and I met with Turki,
506
00:25:17,682 --> 00:25:20,936
and I spent a lot of time with Jamal there.
507
00:25:20,977 --> 00:25:24,356
He seemed to be enjoying London.
508
00:25:24,397 --> 00:25:28,568
When you are the spokesperson for a senior prince,
509
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:30,695
you're untouchable.
510
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,990
Jamal was useful to Turki
511
00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:38,119
because he had credibility among reporters, like me.
512
00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,623
[Obaid] Jamal and I worked very closely,
513
00:25:41,665 --> 00:25:44,668
first in London and then in D.C.
514
00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:46,628
He was older than me,
515
00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:48,088
and so the joke within the embassy
516
00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:49,256
and within our friends
517
00:25:49,297 --> 00:25:51,716
was that I would call him Uncle J.
518
00:25:51,758 --> 00:25:54,177
We became quite close.
519
00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:55,929
Mornings would start at 7:30.
520
00:25:55,971 --> 00:25:58,306
We'd be the first one at the embassy.
521
00:25:58,348 --> 00:26:01,476
After work, we would usually go have teas.
522
00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:05,063
And in a way, work never ended at the embassy.
523
00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:06,856
He was always the nice guy and I was the bad guy.
524
00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:09,734
I was always giving a hard time to the press,
525
00:26:09,776 --> 00:26:12,571
and it was crisis after crisis after crisis.
526
00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:14,823
On the contrary, the Saudis actually have done
527
00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:16,449
a lot behind the scenes,
528
00:26:16,491 --> 00:26:17,492
but more importantly,
529
00:26:17,534 --> 00:26:19,536
you talked about the American media.
530
00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:21,162
They've been the-they've been the people
531
00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:22,372
that have been raising the issue.
532
00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:24,624
The U.S. administration, the Bush administration
533
00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:26,209
has not at all.
534
00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:27,460
It was very raw.
535
00:26:27,502 --> 00:26:29,045
America was very upset.
536
00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:32,465
We spent a lot of our time defending the Saudi position
537
00:26:32,507 --> 00:26:34,676
vis-à-vis the attacks of 9/11.
538
00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,261
The U.S. cannot go accusing people
539
00:26:36,303 --> 00:26:39,514
of financing, uh, terrorism by merely--
540
00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:44,311
[indistinct] by merely unfounded intelligence reports.
541
00:26:44,352 --> 00:26:46,896
[Obaid] You had a Bush administration
542
00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:50,400
that was still very close to Saudi Arabia.
543
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:51,526
Somebody asked me the other day,
544
00:26:51,568 --> 00:26:53,320
was I pleased with the actions of Saudi Arabia?
545
00:26:53,361 --> 00:26:54,404
I am.
546
00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:55,697
[Obaid] And that was important,
547
00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:58,450
because without that, the U.S.-Saudi relationship
548
00:26:58,491 --> 00:26:59,576
could not have continued.
549
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:04,289
550
00:27:09,044 --> 00:27:11,379
It's up to us to bankrupt the terrorists
551
00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:14,174
and those who finance them so they will never again
552
00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:17,260
have the resources to commit such atrocities
553
00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:18,428
against the American people
554
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:21,139
as we experienced on September 11th.
555
00:27:21,181 --> 00:27:22,849
[Maloney] The 9/11 families believe,
556
00:27:22,891 --> 00:27:25,060
and we've alleged formally in a complaint
557
00:27:25,101 --> 00:27:26,227
filed in federal court,
558
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:28,480
that members of the Saudi government
559
00:27:28,521 --> 00:27:30,065
conspired with al-Qaeda
560
00:27:30,106 --> 00:27:32,317
for more than a decade in funding them,
561
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,986
financing them, providing logistical support,
562
00:27:35,028 --> 00:27:38,657
and other means and methods to keep them going.
563
00:27:38,698 --> 00:27:40,617
What we hear from American officials,
564
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,118
they are happy with the cooperation.
565
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,620
They are happy with the information
566
00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:44,663
they are getting from the Saudis.
567
00:27:44,704 --> 00:27:46,247
They are getting plenty of information
568
00:27:46,289 --> 00:27:48,833
about the case of the 15 hijackers.
569
00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:51,753
[Clarke] How did money move to bin Laden?
570
00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:53,963
Did it move through Saudi banks?
571
00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:56,091
Were there wealthy Saudi individuals
572
00:27:56,132 --> 00:27:57,217
who were funding him?
573
00:27:57,258 --> 00:27:58,927
There was a lot of cooperation
574
00:27:58,968 --> 00:28:01,179
that we wanted out of the Saudi government
575
00:28:01,221 --> 00:28:02,931
that we did not get.
576
00:28:02,972 --> 00:28:06,142
[Maloney] Our own government withheld a lot of material
577
00:28:06,184 --> 00:28:10,021
to prevent us from embarrassing the Saudis.
578
00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:13,775
There's obviously a lot of political influence
579
00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:16,528
the Saudis still enjoy in Washington, D.C.,
580
00:28:16,569 --> 00:28:18,780
and they made their best efforts
581
00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:21,574
to prevent this lawsuit from ever seeing the light of day.
582
00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:23,993
583
00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:26,121
[Soufan] I don't call Saudi Arabia an ally.
584
00:28:26,162 --> 00:28:28,707
I never called Saudi Arabia an ally.
585
00:28:28,748 --> 00:28:32,252
They always look to cover up what they don't want
586
00:28:32,293 --> 00:28:34,254
the outside world to know
587
00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,381
about events and activities
588
00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,550
and networks inside the kingdom.
589
00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:41,177
590
00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:43,388
[Clarke] You have to remember, this was a government
591
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:47,058
that was very sympathetic to the Saudi royal family.
592
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:51,271
And the Bush family had ties going back for decades.
593
00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:53,857
I think the Bush administration's
594
00:28:53,898 --> 00:28:57,235
number one goal after 9/11 was Iraq.
595
00:28:57,277 --> 00:29:00,029
They sat down the first week after 9/11
596
00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:02,574
and said, "Shall we go into Afghanistan first?
597
00:29:02,615 --> 00:29:05,744
Or shall we go into Iraq first?"
598
00:29:05,785 --> 00:29:07,579
I felt like a man from Mars,
599
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:12,375
and I said to them, "Invading Iraq after 9/11
600
00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:14,544
would be like if Franklin Roosevelt,
601
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:17,172
after Pearl Harbor, had said,
602
00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:19,257
'Let's invade Mexico.'"
603
00:29:19,299 --> 00:29:22,802
I didn't understand how these very rational senior people
604
00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:24,679
had lost their mind,
605
00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:26,598
and I don't think the Bush administration
606
00:29:26,639 --> 00:29:30,059
could have fought the Iraq War without Saudi support.
607
00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:32,520
[indistinct chatter]
608
00:29:32,562 --> 00:29:34,022
[Bishara] I think Saudi Arabia
609
00:29:34,063 --> 00:29:36,649
became even more indispensable
610
00:29:36,691 --> 00:29:38,985
for the United States.
611
00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:41,112
Jamal Khashoggi and Turki al-Faisal,
612
00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:45,825
they were champions of Saudi-American relations.
613
00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:48,828
Never defended it. Never justified it.
614
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:50,955
They were champions of it.
615
00:29:50,997 --> 00:29:53,458
[Wright] Jamal was the only Arab I met
616
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,669
who was a supporter of the war.
617
00:29:56,711 --> 00:30:00,340
By the time the U.S. invaded Iraq,
618
00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:01,549
he struck me as a neocon.
619
00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:03,218
He was all in favor of it.
620
00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:05,470
speaking Arabic
621
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:19,108
[Obaid] He was nationalistic.
622
00:30:19,150 --> 00:30:21,361
He felt very much involved in it,
623
00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:23,988
and so, you know, it's times change,
624
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:28,201
but a lot of people don't know that side of Jamal.
625
00:30:29,118 --> 00:30:31,329
Jamal took it very personally.
626
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,457
Some of the papers, including The New York Times,
627
00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:36,459
insist on calling him a dissident.
628
00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:38,211
Jamal was...
629
00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:39,295
[Bradley] You've arrested reformers
630
00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:40,505
by the hundreds and the thousands.
631
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,090
No, no, no, reformers, they were never
632
00:30:42,131 --> 00:30:43,258
arrested by the, uh--
633
00:30:43,299 --> 00:30:45,385
Peaceful demonstrators who went into the street,
634
00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:48,471
there were many hundreds of them arrested in Riyadh--
635
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,473
The demonstrators... those demonstrators
636
00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:54,060
were ans-they were answering a call of an al-Qaeda activist.
637
00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:56,604
They were answering the call of Sa'ad Al-Faqih.
638
00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:58,523
They were not peaceful demonstrators.
639
00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:00,692
[Bradley] They were holding Korans above their head,
640
00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:02,235
and they were peaceful demonstrators.
641
00:31:02,277 --> 00:31:03,528
- They were unarmed. - But again,
642
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:05,405
there were no shooting; they were released.
643
00:31:05,446 --> 00:31:06,614
[Bradley] There was shooting.
644
00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:08,741
They shot rubber bullets over their heads.
645
00:31:08,783 --> 00:31:10,827
The-uh, nobody was killed.
646
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,037
Uh, they were all released.
647
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,707
We don't have this situation where we...
648
00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:19,002
where people demonstrate in the streets and chaos.
649
00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:20,837
No, we don't have any-any of that.
650
00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,088
Saudi Arabia is very stable.
651
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:25,174
tense music
652
00:31:25,216 --> 00:31:30,221
653
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:33,600
[Faris as Khashoggi] A country as proud as Saudi Arabia
654
00:31:33,641 --> 00:31:37,020
doesn't take easily to outside advice.
655
00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:39,147
Yet just because 15 Saudis
656
00:31:39,188 --> 00:31:42,734
committed the biggest terrorist atrocity in history,
657
00:31:42,775 --> 00:31:44,944
some Americans are now calling
658
00:31:44,986 --> 00:31:47,405
for the imposition of a foreign culture
659
00:31:47,447 --> 00:31:49,741
on our Muslim society.
660
00:31:49,782 --> 00:31:52,952
That is why we have to fight back.
661
00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:56,581
Last November, Prince Turki al-Faisal
662
00:31:56,623 --> 00:31:58,875
won a legal battle against the families
663
00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,210
of September 11th victims.
664
00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:03,046
This was good news.
665
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:05,548
The Bush administration
666
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,635
still considers Saudi Arabia a friend.
667
00:32:10,053 --> 00:32:13,723
But we do not know what the future holds.
668
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:18,686
[Bishara] Jamal's 30 years in Arab media
669
00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:22,273
reflect Saudi relations with the United States
670
00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:24,651
and Arab public opinion.
671
00:32:24,692 --> 00:32:28,988
He championed the cause for American-Saudi cooperation
672
00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:32,158
against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
673
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,786
After 9/11, they worked with the United States
674
00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,704
against Saddam Hussein of Iraq
675
00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:39,958
and supported the U.S. war on terror.
676
00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:42,627
At each and every junction
677
00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:45,421
in modern Saudi history
678
00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:48,549
and modern U.S.-Saudi relations,
679
00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:51,427
Jamal was there at that crossroad,
680
00:32:51,469 --> 00:32:55,473
either reporting, explaining, or spinning.
681
00:32:56,265 --> 00:33:00,228
But he was taken by surprise by the Arab Spring.
682
00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:05,650
[crowd] chanting in Arabic
683
00:33:12,365 --> 00:33:16,244
[Bishara] The Arab Spring was indeed a revolution
684
00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:18,788
that shook Saudi Arabia.
685
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:21,290
It was like an earthquake.
686
00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:24,836
In the past, you could always count on the United States.
687
00:33:24,877 --> 00:33:27,547
But when it came to the Arab Spring,
688
00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:30,299
they could not find help in Washington.
689
00:33:30,341 --> 00:33:31,634
[all] chanting in Arabic
690
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:33,052
[Bishara] That was unprecedented,
691
00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:36,264
that was unthinkable, and it was so sudden.
692
00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:37,890
[all] chanting in Arabic
693
00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:44,063
[Karman] speaking Arabic
694
00:34:02,331 --> 00:34:03,875
[man] speaking Arabic
695
00:34:03,916 --> 00:34:06,753
[Soltan] It felt like coming home.
696
00:34:06,794 --> 00:34:08,963
Seeing young Arabs
697
00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,007
take to the streets
698
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,885
to realize that dream
699
00:34:13,926 --> 00:34:15,762
for self-determination,
700
00:34:15,803 --> 00:34:18,514
for liberty, freedom,
701
00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:20,933
bread, social justice
702
00:34:20,975 --> 00:34:22,810
was my dream coming true,
703
00:34:22,852 --> 00:34:25,229
and I couldn't not take part in it.
704
00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:54,092
[all] chanting in Arabic
705
00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:57,220
light dramatic music
706
00:34:57,261 --> 00:35:00,181
707
00:35:00,223 --> 00:35:02,058
[Obaid] When the Arab Spring kicked off,
708
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,144
that was kind of our first open disagreement.
709
00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:07,438
He was for what happened in other countries,
710
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,981
and I was against it.
711
00:35:09,023 --> 00:35:10,983
It called it "the so-called Arab Spring,"
712
00:35:11,025 --> 00:35:13,694
because what does that mean for other countries
713
00:35:13,736 --> 00:35:16,572
of which Saudi Arabia is an ally and a supporter?
714
00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:20,076
dramatic music
715
00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:21,577
716
00:35:21,619 --> 00:35:23,246
[Brennan] At the time of the Arab Spring,
717
00:35:23,287 --> 00:35:27,792
King Abdullah was viewed as being somewhat skeptical
718
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,503
of that U.S.-Saudi relationship.
719
00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:33,714
He didn't support everything that the United States did
720
00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:35,466
in the region, and I think there were people
721
00:35:35,508 --> 00:35:37,343
who came in with the Obama administration
722
00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:40,221
who had, oh, I think, a rather jaundiced view,
723
00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:41,222
uh, of Saudi Arabia.
724
00:35:41,264 --> 00:35:43,391
There were problems with the fact
725
00:35:43,432 --> 00:35:44,684
that these governments
726
00:35:44,725 --> 00:35:47,353
kind of couldn't keep a lid on things anymore.
727
00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:50,606
I was in a group of advisors
728
00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:53,067
who were urging President Obama
729
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:57,029
to try to support a transition to democracy.
730
00:35:57,905 --> 00:35:59,574
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia
731
00:35:59,615 --> 00:36:01,909
wanted to talk to Obama,
732
00:36:01,951 --> 00:36:03,786
and I remember in that phone call
733
00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:07,665
King Abdullah was absolutely livid about this,
734
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,751
and his basic line was,
735
00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,753
everybody in that square
736
00:36:12,795 --> 00:36:15,798
is either a terrorist or an Iranian agent.
737
00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:19,969
Which was just patently not true.
738
00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:22,972
And President Obama called Mubarak and told him,
739
00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:24,265
"Look, I think you need to step down.
740
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:26,225
I don't think these protests are going to stop."
741
00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:28,311
[all] shouting in Arabic
742
00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:31,480
[Soltan] We were at the presidential palace.
743
00:36:31,522 --> 00:36:34,358
We told the army generals
744
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,236
that after this prayer,
745
00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:41,490
we were going to break through and storm the palace.
746
00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:43,367
We said, "If you open fire on the front line,
747
00:36:43,409 --> 00:36:45,036
there's 50,000 people behind us.
748
00:36:45,077 --> 00:36:46,829
We're getting in regardless."
749
00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:49,498
I remember crying my eyes out because I felt like
750
00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:50,958
this could be my last prayer,
751
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,836
that if they opened fire, you know, this was worth it.
752
00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:56,756
[crowd shouting]
753
00:36:56,797 --> 00:36:59,258
[Soltan] We hear the announcement on the P.A.
754
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:02,428
[man over P.A. system] speaking Arabic
755
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:17,568
[crowd cheering wildly]
756
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:20,988
uplifting music
757
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:24,450
[all] chanting in Arabic
758
00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:29,288
759
00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:46,138
[Soltan] It was the best of Egypt.
760
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:49,100
And it was the best of the Arab world at that time,
761
00:37:49,141 --> 00:37:51,811
best 18 days of our generation.
762
00:37:51,852 --> 00:37:55,314
- [crowd cheering] - [fireworks popping]
763
00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:58,484
It was...
764
00:37:58,526 --> 00:37:59,986
one hell of a time.
765
00:38:00,027 --> 00:38:01,779
[laughs]
766
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,284
gentle music
767
00:38:06,325 --> 00:38:08,786
768
00:38:08,828 --> 00:38:11,789
[Faris as Khashoggi] Egyptians did not need anyone
769
00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:14,667
to teach them how to be free.
770
00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:17,795
I saw them take to it
771
00:38:17,837 --> 00:38:20,631
like a human instinct.
772
00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:23,551
At the time, I was living a new love story
773
00:38:23,592 --> 00:38:25,428
and a new marriage.
774
00:38:25,469 --> 00:38:30,349
Egypt was also living its love story with freedom.
775
00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:34,812
It was the happiest time for both of us.
776
00:38:34,854 --> 00:38:37,148
[Salem] Jamal was a big romantic.
777
00:38:37,189 --> 00:38:39,942
In every sense, a romantic.
778
00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:42,361
You get swept up in it.
779
00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:47,033
Jamal loved strong, intelligent women,
780
00:38:47,074 --> 00:38:50,119
and at the start of the Arab Spring,
781
00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:54,582
he'd married a really wonderful woman, Dr. Alaa.
782
00:38:54,623 --> 00:38:57,460
783
00:38:57,501 --> 00:39:02,256
And there is a certain romance to revolutions,
784
00:39:02,298 --> 00:39:06,385
to the idea that you can throw off
785
00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:08,262
the restrictions
786
00:39:08,304 --> 00:39:11,432
that seemed impossible to shake
787
00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:15,436
and that you could think and discuss ideas
788
00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:18,731
that were forbidden before,
789
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:23,319
and that...that oxygen, I think, is intoxicating.
790
00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:26,489
791
00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:29,367
[Obaid] Jamal was very open about how happy he was
792
00:39:29,408 --> 00:39:31,744
that Mubarak had gone down.
793
00:39:32,578 --> 00:39:34,372
But he made a lot of enemies
794
00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:37,083
because of his writing and his tweets,
795
00:39:37,124 --> 00:39:39,460
and I kept telling Jamal, "Stop.
796
00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:40,544
You know, stop."
797
00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:42,546
We had a lot of arguments about it.
798
00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:44,382
King Abdullah kept getting angry at him,
799
00:39:44,423 --> 00:39:46,634
told him, you know, "What you're writing,
800
00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:48,594
you know, relax."
801
00:39:48,636 --> 00:39:51,555
There was a sense of a lot of worry.
802
00:39:51,597 --> 00:39:55,643
I would say the relationship Saudi Arabia had with America
803
00:39:55,684 --> 00:39:57,269
started being very testy.
804
00:39:57,812 --> 00:39:59,855
The Saudis believed,
805
00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:03,442
uh, that we let Mubarak down,
806
00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:04,902
um, that he had been
807
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:06,612
a very loyal ally for 30 years,
808
00:40:06,654 --> 00:40:09,615
that he had done what we asked him to do many times,
809
00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:12,451
and that at the first sign of trouble,
810
00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:13,994
uh, we threw him under the bus.
811
00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:17,248
[all] chanting in Arabic
812
00:40:17,289 --> 00:40:20,876
Saudi Arabia was paying people to protest.
813
00:40:20,918 --> 00:40:23,879
[all] chanting in Arabic
814
00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:25,756
[Rhodes] And ultimately, this results
815
00:40:25,798 --> 00:40:27,842
in the Egyptian military overthrowing
816
00:40:27,883 --> 00:40:29,677
a democratically elected government
817
00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:31,512
with the backing of Saudi Arabia.
818
00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:32,763
They funded it.
819
00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:35,516
They drove the media strategy behind it.
820
00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:38,436
[Brennan] Saudi Arabia and others were concerned
821
00:40:38,477 --> 00:40:40,896
that the Arab Spring was going to,
822
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:42,189
uh, go out of control.
823
00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:43,482
Nobody wanted that.
824
00:40:43,524 --> 00:40:45,484
United States didn't want that. Saudi Arabia didn't want that.
825
00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:47,069
[man] It was reported that Egypt's
826
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:49,488
first democratically elected president
827
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,907
was no longer allowed to leave the country
828
00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:53,492
and that the army was deploying
829
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:55,953
not just here but on the streets.
830
00:40:55,995 --> 00:40:58,873
dark music
831
00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:01,125
[Rhodes] President Obama, at this point,
832
00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:03,294
is kind of worn down by this,
833
00:41:03,335 --> 00:41:06,338
and we never followed through on a policy
834
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:08,841
that really prioritized democracy promotion.
835
00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:11,510
Not only was that kind of the death knell
836
00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:15,181
of the Arab Spring, but it was also kind of,
837
00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:17,308
to me, like a pretty cynical,
838
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:19,685
you know, hypocritical thing.
839
00:41:19,727 --> 00:41:20,895
No, it's not cynical.
840
00:41:20,936 --> 00:41:22,229
See, these are naive-- I don't--
841
00:41:22,271 --> 00:41:23,522
I mean, I hate to tell Mr. Rhodes,
842
00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:25,566
but these are-these are- these are superficial, naive,
843
00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:29,028
and ra-rather fatuous arguments.
844
00:41:29,069 --> 00:41:30,279
Uh, they may sell books.
845
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:31,780
I hope he does sell a lot of books,
846
00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:33,407
but, um... [chuckles]
847
00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:36,285
...those-those--you know, the role of the Saudis
848
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:37,453
in global oil markets,
849
00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:39,663
the role of Saudi Arabia in countering,
850
00:41:39,705 --> 00:41:41,499
uh, Islamic terrorism,
851
00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:44,335
you know, do you really want a Saudi Arabia
852
00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:47,254
that looks like, um, you know,
853
00:41:47,296 --> 00:41:49,548
what's happening in Beirut or Syria
854
00:41:49,590 --> 00:41:51,467
or Baghdad or Tehran today?
855
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:52,927
Is that really what you want?
856
00:41:52,968 --> 00:41:55,679
[indistinct chatter]
857
00:41:55,721 --> 00:41:58,849
[Soltan] When the military coup happened,
858
00:41:58,891 --> 00:42:01,143
there were tens of thousands of people
859
00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:03,854
that came out to protest.
860
00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:04,980
[all] chanting in Arabic
861
00:42:05,022 --> 00:42:07,107
[Soltan] The military and security forces
862
00:42:07,149 --> 00:42:09,443
surrounded Rabaa Square.
863
00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:11,445
[all] chanting in Arabic
864
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:15,115
[Soltan] They were coming in like it was an armed group
865
00:42:15,157 --> 00:42:19,578
that they were coming to basically ambush.
866
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,373
[artillery firing]
867
00:42:22,414 --> 00:42:24,792
[people shouting]
868
00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:27,169
[car alarms blaring]
869
00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:30,214
desolate music
870
00:42:30,256 --> 00:42:35,511
871
00:42:42,810 --> 00:42:44,728
[Soltan] There were people falling,
872
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:45,771
people by your side.
873
00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:47,398
A bullet could hit you at any time.
874
00:42:47,439 --> 00:42:49,733
[artillery firing]
875
00:42:49,775 --> 00:42:52,778
Shots fired from every direction.
876
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,782
Cars exploding.
877
00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,033
[car alarms blaring]
878
00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,077
And then I get hit.
879
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,412
People start rushing at me,
880
00:43:01,453 --> 00:43:05,541
and they carry me into a makeshift hospital.
881
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:08,627
Everybody there was dying.
882
00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:11,797
[all] speaking Arabic
883
00:43:13,424 --> 00:43:15,342
[Soltan] There was this, like, distinct smell
884
00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:17,303
of gunpowder and blood.
885
00:43:17,344 --> 00:43:19,888
[car alarms blaring]
886
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:21,974
I remember just laying there.
887
00:43:22,016 --> 00:43:23,934
I closed my eyes.
888
00:43:23,976 --> 00:43:28,022
And that moment, I...
889
00:43:28,063 --> 00:43:30,649
I felt so helpless,
890
00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:35,112
so hopeless, I just...
891
00:43:35,154 --> 00:43:37,156
892
00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:40,451
Rabaa was the day that the Arab Spring...
893
00:43:40,492 --> 00:43:42,828
that was the nail in the coffin.
894
00:43:44,997 --> 00:43:46,665
[man] It was almost certainly
895
00:43:46,707 --> 00:43:48,751
the single bloodiest day of events
896
00:43:48,792 --> 00:43:51,211
since the start of the Arab Spring.
897
00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:55,007
Egyptian officials say that 525 people were killed,
898
00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:57,134
though opponents say the true number
899
00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:59,762
could be four times as many.
900
00:43:59,803 --> 00:44:02,806
[somber music]
901
00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:08,062
902
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:15,319
There was the temptation to support the revolutions.
903
00:44:16,403 --> 00:44:19,823
I believe it is the right thing to do.
904
00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:22,743
But in my writing, I do my best
905
00:44:22,785 --> 00:44:25,537
to just be a journalist
906
00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:28,874
and not become a revolutionary.
907
00:44:31,043 --> 00:44:33,045
[Wright] The Arab Spring was crushed.
908
00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:35,214
It was destroyed.
909
00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:38,300
And what the Arab Spring stood for in large part
910
00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:40,052
was freedom of expression,
911
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:44,556
and that had a profound influence on Jamal's thinking.
912
00:44:44,598 --> 00:44:47,267
Suddenly he saw that freedom of expression
913
00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:49,978
was the key to reform in the Arab world
914
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,439
and especially in Saudi Arabia.
915
00:44:52,481 --> 00:44:53,774
[hammers banging]
916
00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:56,944
That's where Al-Arab came from.
917
00:44:56,985 --> 00:45:00,322
Jamal saw the opportunity to create a middle road,
918
00:45:00,364 --> 00:45:01,990
you know, his own channel,
919
00:45:02,032 --> 00:45:03,867
free of government censorship,
920
00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:07,454
but not attacking the royal family all the time,
921
00:45:07,496 --> 00:45:10,416
and he was aided by one particular
922
00:45:10,457 --> 00:45:11,875
royal family member,
923
00:45:11,917 --> 00:45:15,003
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
924
00:45:15,045 --> 00:45:18,173
And at first, it seemed like there might be room
925
00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:21,427
for an independent voice in the kingdom.
926
00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:24,722
speaking Arabic
927
00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:41,280
[Obaid] Jamal always had a very good relationship
928
00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:42,823
with Prince Waleed.
929
00:45:42,865 --> 00:45:46,535
You know, the infamous investor, Mr. Citibank,
930
00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:47,953
that made a lot of money.
931
00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:50,831
So, you know, he's a very well-known individual
932
00:45:50,873 --> 00:45:52,332
on the international scene
933
00:45:52,374 --> 00:45:54,918
and has always been an outspoken member
934
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,545
of the Saudi royal family,
935
00:45:56,587 --> 00:45:58,839
but at the same time, again, very much like Jamal,
936
00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:02,050
always very much within the construct
937
00:46:02,092 --> 00:46:03,677
of the loyalty to the king
938
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,179
and to his country and so forth.
939
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:07,139
[woman] speaking Arabic
940
00:46:07,181 --> 00:46:10,309
[Salem] Jamal was so hopeful about Al-Arab.
941
00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:13,061
He was trying to hire the best and brightest.
942
00:46:13,103 --> 00:46:17,399
Anyone who worked in Arab media knew of him,
943
00:46:17,441 --> 00:46:19,359
and even if you didn't agree
944
00:46:19,401 --> 00:46:21,236
with his positions over time,
945
00:46:21,278 --> 00:46:23,238
it's hard not to admire Jamal.
946
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,407
Stand by, camera one. Stand by, sound.
947
00:46:25,449 --> 00:46:26,283
Cue.
948
00:46:26,325 --> 00:46:27,451
[Fawaz] Al-Arab news channel
949
00:46:27,493 --> 00:46:29,828
was gonna have the best of everything.
950
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:32,790
Even the owner, Prince Waleed bin Talal,
951
00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:34,958
even he was aiming to be,
952
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,002
if not number one, number two
953
00:46:37,044 --> 00:46:38,462
as-as-as-as a start.
954
00:46:38,504 --> 00:46:41,131
[Al Shaikhli] Jamal was very confident
955
00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:42,883
of the vision of the station
956
00:46:42,925 --> 00:46:46,553
and that he had the backing of the royal family.
957
00:46:46,595 --> 00:46:50,390
We were all ready to launch on the first of February, 2015,
958
00:46:50,432 --> 00:46:52,059
and everybody had that energy.
959
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,061
You know, when the... when you launch a station,
960
00:46:54,102 --> 00:46:56,772
there's always this... an energy that comes with it.
961
00:46:57,689 --> 00:47:01,318
[Salem] For Jamal, there was so much hope.
962
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,571
Al-Arab was his last great passion project.
963
00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:06,740
[woman] speaking Arabic
964
00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:08,992
In six, five,
965
00:47:09,034 --> 00:47:12,079
four, three, two, one.
966
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,205
Go, [indistinct].
967
00:47:13,247 --> 00:47:16,291
exciting music
968
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:17,584
969
00:47:17,626 --> 00:47:21,922
speaking Arabic
970
00:47:21,964 --> 00:47:25,384
[exciting news theme]
971
00:47:25,425 --> 00:47:27,219
[cheers and applause]
972
00:47:27,261 --> 00:47:30,764
[Fawaz] I turned around, and I said, "Jamal, we did it.
973
00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:32,558
You can relax now."
974
00:47:34,518 --> 00:47:36,436
speaking Arabic
975
00:47:36,478 --> 00:47:39,857
I had my show at eleven o'clock at night.
976
00:47:39,898 --> 00:47:42,276
I went back home, thinking, "Okay,
977
00:47:42,317 --> 00:47:44,486
tomorrow we have to get up; tomorrow's the next day.
978
00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:46,780
We have to start again."
979
00:47:47,406 --> 00:47:49,867
[Fawaz] I had my phone ringing.
980
00:47:49,908 --> 00:47:53,161
I look at the phone, I said, "Shit."
981
00:47:53,203 --> 00:47:55,163
[Al Shaikhli] Gentlemen came to the station,
982
00:47:55,205 --> 00:47:57,666
to the master control room, and they said
983
00:47:57,708 --> 00:47:59,918
we need to stop the broadcast.
984
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,380
[Fawaz] They are really asking us to shut down.
985
00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:05,799
We can't have anything on the air.
986
00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:09,219
They ask to broadcast just black.
987
00:48:11,513 --> 00:48:12,973
[high-pitched tone]
988
00:48:13,015 --> 00:48:15,767
And, uh, that was it.
989
00:48:17,769 --> 00:48:19,438
[man] Just three days before the shutdown,
990
00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:21,857
a new king took the throne.
991
00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:24,943
Was that transition the issue?
992
00:48:26,194 --> 00:48:28,822
[inhales deeply, sighs]
993
00:48:28,864 --> 00:48:30,532
Um...
994
00:48:30,574 --> 00:48:33,285
yep.
995
00:48:33,327 --> 00:48:35,746
That-that was it. That was it.
996
00:48:35,787 --> 00:48:37,623
tense music
997
00:48:37,664 --> 00:48:40,626
[people cheering]
998
00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:45,923
999
00:48:50,886 --> 00:48:52,179
[Rundell] King Abdullah dies,
1000
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:56,934
and the new king is Salman, and no one really expects
1001
00:48:56,975 --> 00:49:00,270
there to be any profound change.
1002
00:49:00,312 --> 00:49:02,064
But within the first 60 days,
1003
00:49:02,105 --> 00:49:04,608
things began to change pretty quickly.
1004
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:06,318
The king, first thing he did was,
1005
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,695
he made his son the defense minister,
1006
00:49:08,737 --> 00:49:11,490
and he began to pretty radically change
1007
00:49:11,531 --> 00:49:13,909
the way the Saudi government was structured.
1008
00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:17,120
[Soufan] King Salman wanted to cut the wings
1009
00:49:17,162 --> 00:49:19,581
of anyone else in the royal family
1010
00:49:19,623 --> 00:49:23,377
and keep everything inside his own immediate family,
1011
00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:25,337
especially his son.
1012
00:49:25,379 --> 00:49:28,840
[Rhodes] Mohammed bin Salman was not even 30 years old.
1013
00:49:28,882 --> 00:49:31,760
He was basically an unknown commodity,
1014
00:49:31,802 --> 00:49:33,303
so there was something fishy
1015
00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:35,222
about the whole thing from the start.
1016
00:49:35,263 --> 00:49:37,140
- [all] chanting in Arabic - [drums beating]
1017
00:49:37,182 --> 00:49:39,142
[Rundell] Many people, myself included,
1018
00:49:39,184 --> 00:49:41,645
recognized that this was potentially
1019
00:49:41,687 --> 00:49:44,731
a very dangerous and difficult transition.
1020
00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:46,316
[drums beating]
1021
00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:48,235
I tend to think that Saudi Arabia
1022
00:49:48,276 --> 00:49:50,195
is more stable most of the time
1023
00:49:50,237 --> 00:49:52,030
than most people do,
1024
00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:54,032
but even I certainly recognized
1025
00:49:54,074 --> 00:49:57,327
that this was a real potential problem.
1026
00:49:59,162 --> 00:50:00,998
[Rhodes] You had this sense of foreboding
1027
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:02,541
of, what's gonna happen here?
1028
00:50:02,582 --> 00:50:04,292
We were concerned.
1029
00:50:04,334 --> 00:50:07,212
- [drums beating] - [crowd cheering]
1030
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:16,388
uneasy music
1031
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:19,391
1032
00:50:19,433 --> 00:50:22,019
[Wright] King Salman's first act of censorship
1033
00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:24,229
was shutting down Al-Arab.
1034
00:50:24,271 --> 00:50:26,523
And Jamal, I think,
1035
00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:28,525
was caught short by it.
1036
00:50:28,567 --> 00:50:31,403
And it's notable that the enforcer
1037
00:50:31,445 --> 00:50:34,114
of this first act of censorship
1038
00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:36,742
was a man named Saud al-Qahtani.
1039
00:50:36,783 --> 00:50:39,327
[woman vocalizing]
1040
00:50:39,369 --> 00:50:43,832
1041
00:50:43,874 --> 00:50:45,834
[Obaid] Saud al-Qahtani came into the royal court
1042
00:50:45,876 --> 00:50:47,419
as a media secretary,
1043
00:50:47,461 --> 00:50:50,255
and then his relationship evolved there
1044
00:50:50,297 --> 00:50:52,424
and he basically starting attacking,
1045
00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:55,761
organizing campaigns against columnists, journalists,
1046
00:50:55,802 --> 00:50:57,554
what have you.
1047
00:50:57,596 --> 00:51:00,140
But more will come out on Saud al-Qahtani's role
1048
00:51:00,182 --> 00:51:02,601
in the future, because he ended up being
1049
00:51:02,642 --> 00:51:04,770
quite influential.
1050
00:51:04,811 --> 00:51:06,480
Al-Qahtani would tell the editors
1051
00:51:06,521 --> 00:51:08,982
what they can write and what they cannot write,
1052
00:51:09,024 --> 00:51:10,817
telling them, "Put this on the front page.
1053
00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:12,319
Put this on the front," and Jamal,
1054
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,946
he was very uncomfortable with it.
1055
00:51:14,988 --> 00:51:16,198
I mean, you're a journalist.
1056
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,699
Imagine if every two minutes, someone's sending you
1057
00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:19,534
a message from the White House telling you, you know,
1058
00:51:19,576 --> 00:51:20,911
"Don't write this. Write this.
1059
00:51:20,952 --> 00:51:22,287
Put this on the front. You can't take this"--
1060
00:51:22,329 --> 00:51:23,789
I mean, this is what was happening.
1061
00:51:25,123 --> 00:51:28,085
[Rhodes] It was 2016, and MBS had really started
1062
00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:30,670
getting his hands onto the press.
1063
00:51:30,712 --> 00:51:33,090
And there was a group in Yemen
1064
00:51:33,131 --> 00:51:36,259
who have always been antagonists of Saudi Arabia.
1065
00:51:36,301 --> 00:51:39,262
And so MBS, as defense minister,
1066
00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:42,349
basically decides to go into Yemen
1067
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:44,476
and take these-these guys on.
1068
00:51:44,518 --> 00:51:47,771
speaking Arabic
1069
00:51:48,688 --> 00:51:51,525
[jet engine roaring]
1070
00:51:51,566 --> 00:51:53,777
[Rhodes] The Saudi invasion of Yemen
1071
00:51:53,819 --> 00:51:56,404
would never happen without MBS.
1072
00:51:56,446 --> 00:51:59,616
MBS was using the invasion of Yemen
1073
00:51:59,658 --> 00:52:01,827
as a means of consolidating power,
1074
00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:04,746
as a means of getting the armed forces
1075
00:52:04,788 --> 00:52:05,914
really under him.
1076
00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:07,374
[explosion booms]
1077
00:52:07,415 --> 00:52:09,292
[woman] To Yemen now, breaking overnight,
1078
00:52:09,334 --> 00:52:11,545
Yemen erupting, and Saudi Arabia,
1079
00:52:11,586 --> 00:52:13,547
backed by a ten-nation coalition,
1080
00:52:13,588 --> 00:52:15,048
launching air strikes.
1081
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:16,299
The U.S. is providing
1082
00:52:16,341 --> 00:52:18,176
logistical and intelligence support.
1083
00:52:18,218 --> 00:52:21,680
- [explosion booms] - [person shrieks]
1084
00:52:21,721 --> 00:52:24,015
[Soufan] The war in Yemen was essential
1085
00:52:24,057 --> 00:52:26,810
to the rise of Mohammed bin Salman.
1086
00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:30,313
And they thought that they can go to Yemen
1087
00:52:30,355 --> 00:52:33,441
couple of month, finish the war,
1088
00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:34,693
declare victory,
1089
00:52:34,734 --> 00:52:37,904
and then he will be the person
1090
00:52:37,946 --> 00:52:41,867
who is liked, loved, admired
1091
00:52:41,908 --> 00:52:44,035
in the Sunni Muslim world.
1092
00:52:44,077 --> 00:52:45,787
1093
00:52:45,912 --> 00:52:49,207
[Karman] speaking Arabic
1094
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,680
[men] speaking Arabic
1095
00:53:06,016 --> 00:53:07,726
[explosion booms]
1096
00:53:11,855 --> 00:53:14,858
[child] speaking Arabic
1097
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:17,903
somber music
1098
00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:23,033
1099
00:53:33,501 --> 00:53:36,838
[Wright] Tens of thousands of people have been killed.
1100
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,465
They've bombed hospitals,
1101
00:53:38,506 --> 00:53:42,177
UN facilities, refugee camps.
1102
00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:46,264
Fifty thousand children have starved to death.
1103
00:53:46,306 --> 00:53:50,518
America has assisted in this genocide.
1104
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,187
Not only have we supplied the weapons,
1105
00:53:52,229 --> 00:53:55,732
we refueled the bombers and the fighter planes.
1106
00:53:55,774 --> 00:53:57,734
We trained them.
1107
00:53:57,776 --> 00:54:00,987
In the Arab world, it's known as
1108
00:54:01,029 --> 00:54:04,282
the Saudi-American War on Yemen.
1109
00:54:04,324 --> 00:54:07,369
dramatic music
1110
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:08,870
1111
00:54:08,912 --> 00:54:10,247
[Rhodes] The war in Yemen
1112
00:54:10,288 --> 00:54:12,624
was a real humanitarian catastrophe.
1113
00:54:13,875 --> 00:54:16,044
There had been other issues that we were aware of.
1114
00:54:16,086 --> 00:54:19,339
Saudi Arabia had detained a number of bloggers
1115
00:54:19,381 --> 00:54:21,007
and journalists.
1116
00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:24,302
They'd also had a mass execution of Shia,
1117
00:54:24,344 --> 00:54:27,305
including some prominent Shia clerics.
1118
00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:31,268
[Anas] speaking Arabic
1119
00:54:34,646 --> 00:54:37,941
[man] shouting in Arabic
1120
00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:43,029
[person wails]
1121
00:54:43,071 --> 00:54:45,657
[Rhodes] Our last trip was in April of 2016.
1122
00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:47,701
- [indistinct chatter] - [camera shutters clicking]
1123
00:54:47,742 --> 00:54:49,703
Thank you very much, Your Majesty.
1124
00:54:49,744 --> 00:54:52,163
[Rhodes] President Obama started to urge King Salman
1125
00:54:52,205 --> 00:54:54,416
to release some of these bloggers
1126
00:54:54,457 --> 00:54:57,294
and journalists, and with that...
1127
00:54:57,335 --> 00:54:58,712
[man] Mr. President...
1128
00:54:58,753 --> 00:55:00,005
[Rhodes] ...MBS stands up
1129
00:55:00,046 --> 00:55:04,801
and begins to lecture President Obama, saying,
1130
00:55:04,843 --> 00:55:06,678
"You don't understand the Saudi justice system.
1131
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,347
Maybe we can get you a briefing on the Saudi justice system
1132
00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:11,224
and how it works."
1133
00:55:11,266 --> 00:55:14,936
This was a very aggressive presentation,
1134
00:55:14,978 --> 00:55:17,397
and I've-I've never seen anything like this.
1135
00:55:17,439 --> 00:55:18,940
I mean, it's very unusual for anybody
1136
00:55:18,982 --> 00:55:21,401
other than the president's interlocutor to talk at all.
1137
00:55:21,443 --> 00:55:23,111
It's certainly unusual for them to stand up
1138
00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:24,571
and kind of lecture the president of the United States.
1139
00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:27,073
Thank you for your hospitality.
1140
00:55:27,115 --> 00:55:28,241
[applause]
1141
00:55:28,283 --> 00:55:30,160
[Rhodes] Our view was, they're clearly
1142
00:55:30,201 --> 00:55:32,537
waiting for whoever's next.
1143
00:55:34,247 --> 00:55:37,625
[crowd chanting "U.S.A.!"]
1144
00:55:37,667 --> 00:55:41,129
[man] It is my high honor to introduce to you
1145
00:55:41,171 --> 00:55:44,049
the president of the United States of America,
1146
00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:46,801
Donald Trump.
1147
00:55:46,843 --> 00:55:48,303
[crowd cheering]
1148
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:49,387
[message chirps]
1149
00:55:49,429 --> 00:55:53,016
[Trump] I'm with you, the American people.
1150
00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:55,268
[Obaid] So Jamal put out a series of tweets
1151
00:55:55,310 --> 00:55:57,854
being critical of Trump,
1152
00:55:57,896 --> 00:55:59,773
and then we got a warning.
1153
00:55:59,814 --> 00:56:01,691
There was an official statement put out
1154
00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:04,235
by the foreign ministry where they basically said
1155
00:56:04,277 --> 00:56:05,945
that Jamal and I didn't represent
1156
00:56:05,987 --> 00:56:07,572
the Saudi government, pft,
1157
00:56:07,614 --> 00:56:08,907
which is, okay, fine,
1158
00:56:08,948 --> 00:56:11,743
but that, I took as, you know,
1159
00:56:11,785 --> 00:56:12,952
things are different now.
1160
00:56:12,994 --> 00:56:14,913
You know, there's new guys in town.
1161
00:56:14,954 --> 00:56:16,915
Uh, it's time to be quiet.
1162
00:56:16,956 --> 00:56:19,793
dark music
1163
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:23,463
[Kandil] speaking Arabic
1164
00:56:49,197 --> 00:56:50,448
[Obaid] Saud al-Qahtani called him.
1165
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:52,867
Told him, "You can't write. You can't speak.
1166
00:56:52,909 --> 00:56:55,036
You can't tweet. You can't do anything."
1167
00:56:55,078 --> 00:56:56,663
And I said, "Let's just stop this.
1168
00:56:56,704 --> 00:56:58,248
There's no point in continuing.
1169
00:56:58,289 --> 00:57:01,751
Clearly, we've become persona non grata."
1170
00:57:01,793 --> 00:57:03,169
Jamal was very upset about it.
1171
00:57:03,211 --> 00:57:05,964
He had a big name. He was like, "What do I do?"
1172
00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:07,215
[woman] What will you do?
1173
00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:10,468
Like, will you be able to go back to Saudi Arabia?
1174
00:57:10,510 --> 00:57:11,845
In principle, I can,
1175
00:57:11,886 --> 00:57:16,933
uh, but when I, uh, see how many of my colleagues ended,
1176
00:57:16,975 --> 00:57:21,062
either, uh, jailed or banned from travel, uh,
1177
00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:23,773
I-I-I...
1178
00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:25,275
uh, I think otherwise.
1179
00:57:25,316 --> 00:57:28,653
dramatic music
1180
00:57:29,195 --> 00:57:32,490
[Kandil] speaking Arabic
1181
00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:42,083
[jet engine roaring]
1182
00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:45,336
[Salem] Jamal messaged me from a new U.S. number.
1183
00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:51,509
He dropped off some bags to hold at my apartment.
1184
00:57:53,386 --> 00:57:55,305
It's hard for me to talk about Jamal
1185
00:57:55,346 --> 00:58:00,351
leaving Saudi Arabia because...
1186
00:58:00,393 --> 00:58:03,980
it pained him
1187
00:58:04,022 --> 00:58:05,857
literally until the end.
1188
00:58:05,899 --> 00:58:07,108
[sniffles]
1189
00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:08,902
1190
00:58:08,943 --> 00:58:11,654
Alaa was so upset with him,
1191
00:58:11,696 --> 00:58:13,823
and she had choices to make
1192
00:58:13,865 --> 00:58:16,326
because she had a travel ban
1193
00:58:16,367 --> 00:58:18,161
placed on her.
1194
00:58:18,203 --> 00:58:20,121
And it was impossible to reconcile
1195
00:58:20,163 --> 00:58:22,832
because there was no way out of this.
1196
00:58:22,874 --> 00:58:25,293
As long as she was married to him,
1197
00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:27,545
there was no other option.
1198
00:58:27,587 --> 00:58:29,547
[jet engines whooshing]
1199
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:33,426
The thing that I hope that Alaa knows
1200
00:58:33,468 --> 00:58:36,179
is how much he loved her
1201
00:58:36,221 --> 00:58:39,224
and regretted the end of their marriage.
1202
00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:44,020
[Wright] Jamal and I were talking on the phone,
1203
00:58:44,062 --> 00:58:45,730
and he was very lonely.
1204
00:58:45,772 --> 00:58:49,317
You could see that he was-he was...
1205
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:52,695
he had made a huge sacrifice in his personal life.
1206
00:58:52,737 --> 00:58:55,949
[Khashoggi] Unfortunately, many think the people
1207
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:57,825
of the Arab world are not ready yet
1208
00:58:57,867 --> 00:59:01,621
for that luxury of choosing their own leader,
1209
00:59:01,663 --> 00:59:03,915
and that's what we are lacking until today.
1210
00:59:03,957 --> 00:59:05,416
[Wright] Can I just jump in, one thing?
1211
00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:08,211
We shouldn't pass too quickly over some of these reforms
1212
00:59:08,253 --> 00:59:11,506
being very important to the future of that country...
1213
00:59:11,548 --> 00:59:13,091
But it was surprising to me
1214
00:59:13,132 --> 00:59:15,593
that we had such different takes
1215
00:59:15,635 --> 00:59:17,428
on Mohammed bin Salman.
1216
00:59:17,470 --> 00:59:19,180
I saw him as a reformer.
1217
00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:21,307
[Bartiromo] Let me introduce the vision
1218
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:23,518
behind something of a revolution.
1219
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,396
Please welcome to the stage, ladies and gentlemen,
1220
00:59:26,437 --> 00:59:28,189
His Royal Highness
1221
00:59:28,231 --> 00:59:30,483
Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
1222
00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:31,568
[applause]
1223
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:34,112
[Rhodes] I found it to be utterly bizarre
1224
00:59:34,153 --> 00:59:36,531
that at a time when this guy
1225
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,908
is clearly cracking down on dissent,
1226
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:41,244
is, you know, involved in this kind of
1227
00:59:41,286 --> 00:59:44,372
rash war in Yemen that is killing people
1228
00:59:44,414 --> 00:59:45,957
and precipitating famine,
1229
00:59:45,999 --> 00:59:48,543
that he's getting great press in the United States.
1230
00:59:48,585 --> 00:59:50,628
[man] Begin with Saudi Aramco, a strong public debut
1231
00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:54,132
after raising a record 25.6 billion in the IPO.
1232
00:59:54,173 --> 00:59:56,009
[Rhodes] But of course, the U.S. business community
1233
00:59:56,050 --> 00:59:58,928
was drooling over, you know, an Aramco public offering
1234
00:59:58,970 --> 01:00:01,472
that could be worth trillions of dollars.
1235
01:00:02,724 --> 01:00:05,852
Mohammed bin Salman was vetted in Washington,
1236
01:00:05,893 --> 01:00:09,355
New York City, Hollywood,
1237
01:00:09,397 --> 01:00:11,065
Silicon Valley.
1238
01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:14,235
Every major aspect
1239
01:00:14,277 --> 01:00:16,529
of American power
1240
01:00:16,571 --> 01:00:19,365
rolled out the red carpet for this guy.
1241
01:00:19,407 --> 01:00:22,869
Mohammed bin Salman is a trillionaire,
1242
01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:25,788
and that's all these people saw.
1243
01:00:25,830 --> 01:00:27,832
Jamal Khashoggi's voice was important,
1244
01:00:27,874 --> 01:00:29,751
because it was one of the only dissenting voices.
1245
01:00:29,792 --> 01:00:31,169
I still see him as a reformer,
1246
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:34,255
but he is gathering all power within his hand,
1247
01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:36,549
and it would be much better for him
1248
01:00:36,591 --> 01:00:39,302
to allow a breathing space for critic,
1249
01:00:39,344 --> 01:00:42,347
for Saudi intellectuals, Saudi writers,
1250
01:00:42,388 --> 01:00:44,057
Saudi media to debate.
1251
01:00:44,098 --> 01:00:45,767
Uh, we've become very good friends
1252
01:00:45,808 --> 01:00:48,436
over a fairly short period of time,
1253
01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:51,898
and we are bringing back hundreds of billions of dollars
1254
01:00:51,939 --> 01:00:53,191
into the United States...
1255
01:00:53,232 --> 01:00:55,902
[Wright] Trump recognized a kinship.
1256
01:00:55,943 --> 01:00:57,195
They're rich and entitled people.
1257
01:00:57,236 --> 01:00:59,030
They found common ground.
1258
01:00:59,072 --> 01:01:03,242
And the kingdom saw him as a benefactor,
1259
01:01:03,284 --> 01:01:05,328
a kind of stooge they could use.
1260
01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:07,330
...million dollars, that's peanuts for you.
1261
01:01:07,372 --> 01:01:08,790
[chuckles]
1262
01:01:08,831 --> 01:01:09,874
Thank you, Mr. President.
1263
01:01:09,916 --> 01:01:11,918
[Wright] And so Mohammed bin Salman
1264
01:01:11,959 --> 01:01:13,378
became Trump's man,
1265
01:01:13,419 --> 01:01:16,214
Trump's man in the Middle East.
1266
01:01:17,882 --> 01:01:21,177
[jet engine whooshing]
1267
01:01:27,016 --> 01:01:30,061
[brass horns blaring]
1268
01:01:30,103 --> 01:01:32,146
1269
01:01:32,188 --> 01:01:34,649
[Rhodes] Trump's first trip as president
1270
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,610
is to Saudi Arabia, which is totally bizarre.
1271
01:01:37,652 --> 01:01:39,070
I mean, uh, every U.S. president
1272
01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:41,197
goes to Canada or Mexico.
1273
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:43,449
To go to Saudi Arabia on your first trip...
1274
01:01:43,491 --> 01:01:46,160
[chuckles] ...this-this is insane.
1275
01:01:46,202 --> 01:01:51,207
1276
01:01:51,582 --> 01:01:53,960
And when I saw that famous picture
1277
01:01:54,001 --> 01:01:56,754
of Trump and Sisi and King Salman
1278
01:01:56,796 --> 01:01:58,464
with, like, the orb, I mean, it...
1279
01:01:58,506 --> 01:01:59,632
dramatic music
1280
01:01:59,674 --> 01:02:01,551
...that said it all.
1281
01:02:01,592 --> 01:02:03,970
You know, Egypt's General Sisi
1282
01:02:04,011 --> 01:02:05,596
is a brutal dictator,
1283
01:02:05,638 --> 01:02:07,390
and King Salman killed
1284
01:02:07,432 --> 01:02:09,225
the promise of the Arab Spring.
1285
01:02:09,267 --> 01:02:11,436
So clearly, Trump was for sale.
1286
01:02:11,477 --> 01:02:14,021
I mean, the Saudi ambassadors are going around here
1287
01:02:14,063 --> 01:02:15,523
telling everybody that they've got
1288
01:02:15,565 --> 01:02:17,275
Jared and Ivanka in their pocket.
1289
01:02:17,316 --> 01:02:20,111
- [men] chanting in Arabic - [drums beating]
1290
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,322
[Rhodes] Whatever MBS's wish list was,
1291
01:02:23,364 --> 01:02:25,783
Trump was saying yes to.
1292
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:30,288
So it was pretty clear that there's
1293
01:02:30,329 --> 01:02:32,206
going to come a point of reckoning.
1294
01:02:32,248 --> 01:02:35,126
tense music
1295
01:02:35,168 --> 01:02:37,795
1296
01:02:38,463 --> 01:02:42,008
[Anas] speaking Arabic
1297
01:02:52,226 --> 01:02:54,312
[woman] The massive purge of princes
1298
01:02:54,353 --> 01:02:56,647
and one of the world's best-known billionaires
1299
01:02:56,689 --> 01:02:59,150
all arrested by a man who would be a king,
1300
01:02:59,192 --> 01:03:01,402
a man emboldened by President Trump.
1301
01:03:01,444 --> 01:03:03,571
[Wright] On November 4, 2017,
1302
01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:07,366
these raids took place all over Saudi Arabia.
1303
01:03:07,408 --> 01:03:10,620
[people yelling]
1304
01:03:12,121 --> 01:03:14,415
Many of the most prominent businessmen,
1305
01:03:14,457 --> 01:03:17,710
intellectuals were rounded up, hundreds of them,
1306
01:03:17,752 --> 01:03:21,339
and put in the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh.
1307
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:24,634
1308
01:03:24,675 --> 01:03:26,886
And they were held for weeks,
1309
01:03:26,928 --> 01:03:29,931
interrogated, tortured.
1310
01:03:29,972 --> 01:03:31,599
Many of them were hospitalized.
1311
01:03:31,641 --> 01:03:33,643
One guy, his neck was broken.
1312
01:03:33,684 --> 01:03:36,813
His body was covered with electrical burns.
1313
01:03:36,854 --> 01:03:38,189
He was a general.
1314
01:03:38,231 --> 01:03:42,401
They were shaken down by Mohammed bin Salman's man,
1315
01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:44,487
Saud al-Qahtani.
1316
01:03:44,529 --> 01:03:46,072
That was a coup.
1317
01:03:46,113 --> 01:03:49,325
1318
01:03:49,367 --> 01:03:52,328
[Soufan] Saudi Arabia had different factions
1319
01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:53,454
inside the royal family.
1320
01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:56,374
Each one of these factions have connections
1321
01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:59,210
to economic elite, to business elite.
1322
01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:01,754
You have the religious establishment.
1323
01:04:01,796 --> 01:04:03,506
But Mohammed bin Salman decided
1324
01:04:03,548 --> 01:04:05,216
that there's only one faction
1325
01:04:05,258 --> 01:04:07,009
in the house of Saud, and it's him.
1326
01:04:07,051 --> 01:04:12,265
1327
01:04:15,935 --> 01:04:19,355
[Salem] The ripple effect from Al-Waleed
1328
01:04:19,397 --> 01:04:22,233
being arrested was tremendous.
1329
01:04:22,275 --> 01:04:24,902
Stock prices moved.
1330
01:04:24,944 --> 01:04:26,612
It was seismic.
1331
01:04:26,654 --> 01:04:30,157
Prince Al-Waleed is an important investor,
1332
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:34,120
the most well-known member of the royal family
1333
01:04:34,161 --> 01:04:36,038
outside the kingdom,
1334
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,083
very firmly within the center of power.
1335
01:04:39,834 --> 01:04:43,796
[Wright] Prince Al-Waleed had been Jamal's patron.
1336
01:04:43,838 --> 01:04:48,426
And suddenly, you see on TV that he is powerless.
1337
01:04:49,302 --> 01:04:50,761
This is my Diet Pepsi.
1338
01:04:50,803 --> 01:04:53,055
[Wright] He is praising his kidnapper
1339
01:04:53,097 --> 01:04:54,307
and telling everybody
1340
01:04:54,348 --> 01:04:55,600
that he's been treated very well.
1341
01:04:55,641 --> 01:04:57,018
And all these rumors really upset me.
1342
01:04:57,059 --> 01:04:58,477
- [woman] Okay. - I mean, because now,
1343
01:04:58,519 --> 01:04:59,645
they-they went so far.
1344
01:04:59,687 --> 01:05:00,563
All lies.
1345
01:05:00,605 --> 01:05:01,814
You know, I've been always, uh,
1346
01:05:01,856 --> 01:05:04,150
all the time here, at this hotel,
1347
01:05:04,191 --> 01:05:06,611
and, um, everything has been fine.
1348
01:05:08,154 --> 01:05:10,531
[Wright] When I talked to Jamal last,
1349
01:05:10,573 --> 01:05:12,825
he said he got out just in time.
1350
01:05:12,867 --> 01:05:16,621
He would no doubt have been in the Ritz-Carlton,
1351
01:05:16,662 --> 01:05:20,333
maybe in far worse circumstances.
1352
01:05:20,374 --> 01:05:23,628
1353
01:05:25,713 --> 01:05:28,966
[Kandil] speaking Arabic
1354
01:05:49,445 --> 01:05:52,657
1355
01:05:52,698 --> 01:05:55,534
[El-Atr] Jamal was very sad.
1356
01:05:55,576 --> 01:05:57,578
He lost hope.
1357
01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:59,246
I said, "No, take it easy.
1358
01:05:59,288 --> 01:06:00,122
You're free now.
1359
01:06:00,164 --> 01:06:01,749
You can express your opinion.
1360
01:06:01,791 --> 01:06:03,000
You have a freedom,
1361
01:06:03,042 --> 01:06:04,543
because not to say your opinion
1362
01:06:04,585 --> 01:06:06,837
about what's happening, that will kill you."
1363
01:06:06,879 --> 01:06:09,966
somber music
1364
01:06:10,007 --> 01:06:13,010
I know Jamal for ten years.
1365
01:06:13,052 --> 01:06:16,764
And we become closer and closer.
1366
01:06:16,806 --> 01:06:19,392
I have a habit to wake him up every day
1367
01:06:19,433 --> 01:06:22,019
seven o'clock in the morning because he was lonely.
1368
01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:23,187
He was isolated.
1369
01:06:23,229 --> 01:06:26,357
1370
01:06:26,399 --> 01:06:28,776
This went for a while
1371
01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:32,697
until the middle of 2017,
1372
01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:33,823
he sent to me a message.
1373
01:06:33,864 --> 01:06:35,574
He said, "Hanan, come and stay with me.
1374
01:06:35,616 --> 01:06:37,493
Come, and they won't see you."
1375
01:06:37,535 --> 01:06:41,831
1376
01:06:41,872 --> 01:06:44,166
I was very happy.
1377
01:06:44,208 --> 01:06:45,668
He's the man I wished,
1378
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:48,254
but I didn't have a courage to express it before
1379
01:06:48,295 --> 01:06:50,423
because he was married.
1380
01:06:50,464 --> 01:06:52,633
First time I managed to come and see him,
1381
01:06:52,675 --> 01:06:56,137
it was to celebrate his birthday in March.
1382
01:06:56,178 --> 01:07:00,433
Well, it was his half-birthday party in March,
1383
01:07:00,474 --> 01:07:02,643
and he was dating
1384
01:07:02,685 --> 01:07:04,645
a really wonderful woman.
1385
01:07:04,687 --> 01:07:08,441
It was always fun to have Jamal happy.
1386
01:07:08,482 --> 01:07:10,609
[El-Atr] When we got married,
1387
01:07:10,651 --> 01:07:13,529
it was the most beautiful day in my life,
1388
01:07:13,571 --> 01:07:15,364
and I will never forget.
1389
01:07:15,406 --> 01:07:17,658
1390
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:19,702
I think I'm in a dream.
1391
01:07:19,744 --> 01:07:22,163
1392
01:07:22,204 --> 01:07:26,667
But he was very loyal to the Kingdom of Saudi,
1393
01:07:26,709 --> 01:07:31,005
so he was feeling very bad because he lost his hope.
1394
01:07:31,047 --> 01:07:33,340
1395
01:07:33,382 --> 01:07:36,510
He decide he have to express himself.
1396
01:07:41,807 --> 01:07:44,268
[Soltan] Fall of 2017,
1397
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:47,104
Jamal was in self-imposed exile.
1398
01:07:48,189 --> 01:07:49,106
We met,
1399
01:07:49,148 --> 01:07:50,733
and he gave me the biggest bear hug.
1400
01:07:50,775 --> 01:07:53,736
It was really, really warm, and then he started crying.
1401
01:07:53,778 --> 01:07:56,697
He said, "I left my country.
1402
01:07:56,739 --> 01:08:00,659
I left my family behind for freedom,
1403
01:08:00,701 --> 01:08:02,411
just to be free.
1404
01:08:02,453 --> 01:08:06,665
And no one knows what that feels like more than you."
1405
01:08:06,707 --> 01:08:08,334
1406
01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:09,710
I learned later
1407
01:08:09,752 --> 01:08:11,796
that his first Washington Postarticle
1408
01:08:11,837 --> 01:08:14,256
was published that hour.
1409
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:17,259
[Faris as Khashoggi] "Saudi Arabia wasn't always
1410
01:08:17,301 --> 01:08:20,930
this repressive," by Jamal Khashoggi.
1411
01:08:20,971 --> 01:08:22,973
dramatic music
1412
01:08:23,015 --> 01:08:25,559
We spend endless hours on the phone
1413
01:08:25,601 --> 01:08:29,021
trying to understand the wave of arrests.
1414
01:08:29,063 --> 01:08:33,442
Are we going to be the core of the Saudi diaspora?
1415
01:08:33,484 --> 01:08:37,029
Al-Hayat canceled my column.
1416
01:08:37,071 --> 01:08:40,241
The government banned me from Twitter.
1417
01:08:40,282 --> 01:08:42,451
I spent six months silent,
1418
01:08:42,493 --> 01:08:45,955
reflecting on the stark choices before me.
1419
01:08:46,956 --> 01:08:51,544
Years ago, when several friends were arrested,
1420
01:08:51,585 --> 01:08:53,337
I said nothing.
1421
01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:57,508
I have made a different choice now.
1422
01:08:57,550 --> 01:08:59,301
I have left my home,
1423
01:08:59,343 --> 01:09:03,097
my family, and my job,
1424
01:09:03,139 --> 01:09:06,892
and I am raising my voice.
1425
01:09:06,934 --> 01:09:12,189
1426
01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:34,336
[Obaid] He wrote that first piece.
1427
01:09:34,378 --> 01:09:37,131
Next day, his ex-wife calls me,
1428
01:09:37,173 --> 01:09:38,632
says, "Look what he just did."
1429
01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:40,509
Which, I was like, "But, Jamal, we just talked.
1430
01:09:40,551 --> 01:09:42,636
What's going on?"
1431
01:09:42,678 --> 01:09:45,806
Clearly, something had gone very wrong.
1432
01:09:47,057 --> 01:09:48,976
He had kept this very secret.
1433
01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:51,103
That shocked a lot of us,
1434
01:09:51,145 --> 01:09:52,938
and when it came to Saudi Arabia,
1435
01:09:52,980 --> 01:09:56,317
I always believed that his loyalty was strong
1436
01:09:56,358 --> 01:10:00,321
to his country and to his king.
1437
01:10:00,362 --> 01:10:03,240
I felt that I had been betrayed.
1438
01:10:03,282 --> 01:10:05,868
1439
01:10:09,288 --> 01:10:12,249
[Bishara] Jamal expressed his opinion
1440
01:10:12,291 --> 01:10:15,502
from Washington, the seat of power,
1441
01:10:15,544 --> 01:10:18,589
writing in the voice of empire,
1442
01:10:18,631 --> 01:10:20,257
The Washington Post.
1443
01:10:20,299 --> 01:10:23,052
That could not be tolerated.
1444
01:10:23,886 --> 01:10:26,013
[Obaid] He started writing this, saying these things,
1445
01:10:26,055 --> 01:10:28,182
and then all these weird people
1446
01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:29,516
started getting to know him.
1447
01:10:29,558 --> 01:10:33,562
You know, uh, started to, you know, hang around with him,
1448
01:10:33,604 --> 01:10:35,481
tweet things about him.
1449
01:10:35,522 --> 01:10:37,816
It became very bizarre.
1450
01:10:37,858 --> 01:10:40,819
[dark music]
1451
01:10:40,861 --> 01:10:43,280
1452
01:10:43,322 --> 01:10:46,242
[Maloney] Mr. Khashoggi was publishing articles
1453
01:10:46,283 --> 01:10:48,744
that were critical of the Saudi regime,
1454
01:10:48,786 --> 01:10:52,331
and so we called him to request a meeting.
1455
01:10:52,373 --> 01:10:55,084
Jamal Khashoggi knew a lot of information
1456
01:10:55,125 --> 01:10:58,545
about al-Qaeda and Saudi support for al-Qaeda.
1457
01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:00,965
So we wanted to talk to him.
1458
01:11:01,006 --> 01:11:03,175
The meeting with our investigator
1459
01:11:03,217 --> 01:11:05,261
was the morning of October 26th
1460
01:11:05,302 --> 01:11:07,304
in the Virginia area.
1461
01:11:07,346 --> 01:11:10,599
This was a preliminary meeting.
1462
01:11:10,641 --> 01:11:13,185
It became clear that Mr. Khashoggi
1463
01:11:13,227 --> 01:11:15,604
had a lot to say.
1464
01:11:15,646 --> 01:11:18,107
[Wright] The morning that he's going to meet
1465
01:11:18,148 --> 01:11:21,443
with the investigator, he gets a call from his son
1466
01:11:21,485 --> 01:11:24,697
in Saudi Arabia saying that their travel permits
1467
01:11:24,738 --> 01:11:27,157
had been taken away.
1468
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:28,867
So essentially, the Saudi authorities
1469
01:11:28,909 --> 01:11:32,454
know that he's meeting with this investigator,
1470
01:11:32,496 --> 01:11:36,875
and his children are being held hostage.
1471
01:11:36,917 --> 01:11:38,961
[Maloney] The first thing Mr. Khashoggi indicated
1472
01:11:39,003 --> 01:11:41,130
was the recent news about his son's
1473
01:11:41,171 --> 01:11:44,633
inability to travel, which upset him.
1474
01:11:46,176 --> 01:11:48,012
I used to be a federal prosecutor,
1475
01:11:48,053 --> 01:11:51,640
and we had informants that elected to testify
1476
01:11:51,682 --> 01:11:54,685
against their coconspirators.
1477
01:11:54,727 --> 01:11:57,146
If Jamal Khashoggi had been an insider,
1478
01:11:57,187 --> 01:11:59,148
and he was, and had information
1479
01:11:59,189 --> 01:12:00,691
that could be helpful to us
1480
01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:03,694
and was willing to meet with us and discuss it,
1481
01:12:03,736 --> 01:12:06,780
that is a serious threat to the Saudi government.
1482
01:12:06,822 --> 01:12:10,117
The question is, to what extent
1483
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:13,203
was the Saudi government and the royal family
1484
01:12:13,245 --> 01:12:15,289
entangled with al-Qaeda?
1485
01:12:15,331 --> 01:12:16,665
Well, they were.
1486
01:12:16,707 --> 01:12:19,084
Going back before al-Qaeda,
1487
01:12:19,126 --> 01:12:21,045
they were funding the mujahideen,
1488
01:12:21,086 --> 01:12:23,380
and King Salman was the principal bundler
1489
01:12:23,422 --> 01:12:26,175
of all these contributions to the mujahideen
1490
01:12:26,216 --> 01:12:28,594
and then later to al-Qaeda.
1491
01:12:28,635 --> 01:12:31,305
- [men chanting] - [drums beating]
1492
01:12:32,056 --> 01:12:33,682
Jamal would have known about that.
1493
01:12:33,724 --> 01:12:35,851
Jamal worked with Prince Turki,
1494
01:12:35,893 --> 01:12:39,021
who had been the head of intelligence,
1495
01:12:39,063 --> 01:12:41,023
and he facilitated these meetings
1496
01:12:41,065 --> 01:12:43,859
with bin Laden in Afghanistan.
1497
01:12:43,901 --> 01:12:47,029
And who knows what bin Laden told him?
1498
01:12:47,071 --> 01:12:49,698
I mean, is there a person in the whole world
1499
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:51,909
that knows more about this relationship
1500
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:53,202
than Jamal Khashoggi?
1501
01:12:53,243 --> 01:12:54,244
I don't think so.
1502
01:12:54,286 --> 01:12:56,622
[chuckling]
1503
01:12:56,663 --> 01:12:58,791
[Maloney] The Saudis claimed that they enjoyed immunity
1504
01:12:58,832 --> 01:13:01,043
even if all our allegations were true.
1505
01:13:01,085 --> 01:13:05,089
They hired lobbyists in Washington,
1506
01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:09,426
and Saud al-Qahtani's name appears on some of the forms.
1507
01:13:09,468 --> 01:13:11,804
His official title had something to do
1508
01:13:11,845 --> 01:13:13,764
with media and public relations,
1509
01:13:13,806 --> 01:13:15,140
but the easiest way to describe him
1510
01:13:15,182 --> 01:13:17,142
is-is MBS's henchman.
1511
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:20,729
Qahtani, on behalf of the crown prince,
1512
01:13:20,771 --> 01:13:22,481
hired the lobbyists
1513
01:13:22,523 --> 01:13:25,442
specifically to kill this lawsuit.
1514
01:13:27,486 --> 01:13:30,197
Jamal Khashoggi agreed to a follow-up meeting.
1515
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:33,784
He agreed to come to our office here in New York.
1516
01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:38,789
What he would say and what he would be willing to disclose,
1517
01:13:38,831 --> 01:13:41,250
we'll never know.
1518
01:13:41,291 --> 01:13:44,586
tense music
1519
01:13:49,174 --> 01:13:52,136
[brakes squealing]
1520
01:13:55,347 --> 01:13:58,642
[messages chirping]
1521
01:14:08,652 --> 01:14:12,698
[Salem] Saud al-Qahtani unleashed hell on Jamal--
1522
01:14:12,739 --> 01:14:15,659
the trolls, the bots, whatever they are,
1523
01:14:15,701 --> 01:14:20,622
the turning of friends and former colleagues--
1524
01:14:20,664 --> 01:14:21,957
all of that.
1525
01:14:21,999 --> 01:14:24,084
He was threatened and intimidated all the time.
1526
01:14:24,126 --> 01:14:26,545
Of course it was orchestrated.
1527
01:14:26,587 --> 01:14:28,964
And Jamal knew that.
1528
01:14:31,049 --> 01:14:34,470
[Soltan] It was November of 2017.
1529
01:14:34,511 --> 01:14:36,430
We were on our way to grab dinner,
1530
01:14:36,472 --> 01:14:39,683
and he says, "Guess what.
1531
01:14:39,725 --> 01:14:42,644
Saud al-Qahtani sent me a DM on Twitter.
1532
01:14:42,686 --> 01:14:44,980
Yeah, he wants to talk."
1533
01:14:45,022 --> 01:14:48,817
And you can hear the fear in his voice.
1534
01:14:48,859 --> 01:14:52,779
He answers the call, puts it on speaker.
1535
01:14:52,821 --> 01:14:54,865
Saud al-Qahtani starts off,
1536
01:14:54,907 --> 01:14:59,369
says, "I am calling on behalf of His Royal Highness
1537
01:14:59,411 --> 01:15:01,330
Mohammed bin Salman.
1538
01:15:01,371 --> 01:15:04,541
He's watching. He follows your work."
1539
01:15:04,583 --> 01:15:06,835
So Jamal, he says,
1540
01:15:06,877 --> 01:15:09,505
"Please send my warmest regards
1541
01:15:09,546 --> 01:15:11,423
to His Royal Highness
1542
01:15:11,465 --> 01:15:13,175
and convey to him
1543
01:15:13,217 --> 01:15:16,553
that when there are positive reforms happening,
1544
01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:20,098
we will most definitely welcome them.
1545
01:15:20,140 --> 01:15:24,853
When there are transgressions, we will be critical."
1546
01:15:25,812 --> 01:15:27,981
This was a moment that I realized
1547
01:15:28,023 --> 01:15:31,485
this is a noble man; this is a courageous man.
1548
01:15:31,527 --> 01:15:33,654
This man was very serious
1549
01:15:33,695 --> 01:15:36,448
about the evolution that he was making.
1550
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:38,742
[birds chirping]
1551
01:15:42,746 --> 01:15:44,706
[El-Atr] If you hear Jamal was faithful
1552
01:15:44,748 --> 01:15:47,876
to the Kingdom of Saudi, this is the truth.
1553
01:15:47,918 --> 01:15:49,878
He used to defend them.
1554
01:15:51,463 --> 01:15:55,551
But he think his duty is to advise,
1555
01:15:55,592 --> 01:15:56,802
to say his opinion
1556
01:15:56,843 --> 01:15:59,429
before things lead to a bad stage.
1557
01:16:00,597 --> 01:16:03,517
[Soltan] Jamal had asked me to be on the lookout,
1558
01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:06,270
kind of play matchmaker. [chuckles]
1559
01:16:06,311 --> 01:16:08,564
And I tried; I tried connecting him to someone.
1560
01:16:08,605 --> 01:16:13,026
1561
01:16:13,068 --> 01:16:14,611
He was very, very lonely.
1562
01:16:14,653 --> 01:16:17,364
He had just gotten a divorce.
1563
01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:20,534
I didn't know about Hanan.
1564
01:16:20,576 --> 01:16:21,827
[El-Atr] After we got married,
1565
01:16:21,868 --> 01:16:25,706
Jamal want to spend as much time together.
1566
01:16:25,747 --> 01:16:28,000
He doesn't want anyone to take him away from me,
1567
01:16:28,041 --> 01:16:30,460
and that's why we don't even like
1568
01:16:30,502 --> 01:16:32,045
to go and spend long time out.
1569
01:16:32,087 --> 01:16:35,299
We want to be just together away from people.
1570
01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:37,593
1571
01:16:37,634 --> 01:16:39,553
[Soltan] If you interview anybody that tells you
1572
01:16:39,595 --> 01:16:42,180
that they know every aspect of Jamal's life,
1573
01:16:42,222 --> 01:16:45,559
they are 100% lying to you.
1574
01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:48,729
Jamal chose what information
1575
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:51,940
he shared with each person.
1576
01:16:54,192 --> 01:16:56,653
This will be broadcasted in a few days,
1577
01:16:56,695 --> 01:16:58,989
not, uh, right away, right?
1578
01:16:59,031 --> 01:17:00,115
[woman] It'll be, um--
1579
01:17:00,157 --> 01:17:02,367
It'll go on air, uh, Tuesday night, actually,
1580
01:17:02,409 --> 01:17:06,038
the night that, um, MBS is in Washington.
1581
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:07,873
- All right. - It will be after...
1582
01:17:07,914 --> 01:17:11,376
after MBS has met, uh, Trump.
1583
01:17:11,418 --> 01:17:13,045
All right.
1584
01:17:13,086 --> 01:17:15,464
[Soltan] He knew what the stakes were,
1585
01:17:15,505 --> 01:17:19,092
and knowing all of those stakes
1586
01:17:19,134 --> 01:17:24,097
and then still deciding to go ahead
1587
01:17:24,139 --> 01:17:26,350
and speak freely
1588
01:17:26,391 --> 01:17:28,060
was very courageous of him.
1589
01:17:28,101 --> 01:17:30,354
[woman] And why did you self-exile?
1590
01:17:30,395 --> 01:17:34,066
I just felt, uh, whatever narrow space I had
1591
01:17:34,107 --> 01:17:36,943
was getting narrower, and I just thought
1592
01:17:36,985 --> 01:17:39,237
it was better for me to leave.
1593
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:43,617
And, uh, actually, right after I left, uh,
1594
01:17:43,659 --> 01:17:45,243
arrests began to happen.
1595
01:17:45,285 --> 01:17:49,164
Many of my acquaintances, friends, colleagues
1596
01:17:49,206 --> 01:17:52,376
were rounded up, and, uh-uh,
1597
01:17:52,417 --> 01:17:54,836
I-I always regret being away from home,
1598
01:17:54,878 --> 01:17:58,840
but when, uh-uh, I see what happened to them,
1599
01:17:58,882 --> 01:18:02,636
I-I think I did the right choice, uh,
1600
01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:07,015
even though it is very hurtful to be away from home.
1601
01:18:07,057 --> 01:18:09,434
[Soltan] My way of consoling him was,
1602
01:18:09,476 --> 01:18:10,435
"Don't worry.
1603
01:18:10,477 --> 01:18:11,895
There's a lot of people like you.
1604
01:18:11,937 --> 01:18:16,775
There's an entire community of folks in exile.
1605
01:18:16,817 --> 01:18:20,028
And so you'll find comfort in that community."
1606
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:22,114
uneasy music
1607
01:18:22,155 --> 01:18:24,366
But he didn't find that community
1608
01:18:24,408 --> 01:18:26,743
out here in Washington.
1609
01:18:26,785 --> 01:18:32,040
1610
01:18:42,217 --> 01:18:45,512
[Karman] speaking Arabic
1611
01:19:28,930 --> 01:19:33,018
[Faris as Khashoggi] June 5, 2018,
1612
01:19:33,059 --> 01:19:35,437
in this age of error,
1613
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,566
an Arab intellectual rushes to praise the prisons,
1614
01:19:39,608 --> 01:19:43,653
to write against the Spring.
1615
01:19:43,695 --> 01:19:46,531
Another burns the last of his history
1616
01:19:46,573 --> 01:19:48,533
and his forbidden books.
1617
01:19:48,575 --> 01:19:51,328
He says, "We are not ready
1618
01:19:51,369 --> 01:19:53,163
for democracy and freedom."
1619
01:19:55,081 --> 01:19:59,503
It anguishes me to speak with other Saudi friends
1620
01:19:59,544 --> 01:20:03,673
in Istanbul who are also in self-exile.
1621
01:20:04,466 --> 01:20:08,053
I expect that I will still wake up every morning
1622
01:20:08,094 --> 01:20:10,680
and ponder the choice I have made
1623
01:20:10,722 --> 01:20:13,683
to speak my mind.
1624
01:20:13,725 --> 01:20:17,145
We are being asked to abandon any hope
1625
01:20:17,187 --> 01:20:20,190
of political freedoms.
1626
01:20:21,274 --> 01:20:25,987
This is a Faustian bargain that I will not make.
1627
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,826
We are the kingdom of silence no longer.
1628
01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:35,288
[somber music]
1629
01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:37,958
1630
01:20:37,999 --> 01:20:41,253
[El-Atr] Jamal in this time, he was in Istanbul.
1631
01:20:41,294 --> 01:20:44,214
Istanbul, it's very open city
1632
01:20:44,256 --> 01:20:46,758
for different Arabic background,
1633
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,760
and there is a lot of activity there.
1634
01:20:48,802 --> 01:20:52,055
He always go, and he have friends there.
1635
01:20:54,432 --> 01:20:57,811
[Soltan] I called him when he was in Istanbul,
1636
01:20:57,853 --> 01:21:00,355
and he said, "By the way, I might be doing
1637
01:21:00,397 --> 01:21:03,441
three weeks in Istanbul, three weeks in D.C."
1638
01:21:03,483 --> 01:21:06,403
So then I was like, "Oh, it looks like you found someone."
1639
01:21:06,444 --> 01:21:08,530
And then he was like, "Yeah, I did.
1640
01:21:08,572 --> 01:21:09,823
I really like her.
1641
01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:11,533
We're gonna get married soon.
1642
01:21:11,575 --> 01:21:13,660
I'll tell you all about it when I get back."
1643
01:21:13,702 --> 01:21:15,996
somber music
1644
01:21:16,037 --> 01:21:19,457
[Salem] I didn't know about Hatice.
1645
01:21:21,418 --> 01:21:23,420
I knew about Hanan.
1646
01:21:24,212 --> 01:21:27,424
But I-I didn't know they had gotten married.
1647
01:21:27,465 --> 01:21:29,301
So I'll say this.
1648
01:21:29,342 --> 01:21:33,597
I think if you understand the loneliness of that man
1649
01:21:33,638 --> 01:21:36,516
in that last year...
1650
01:21:36,558 --> 01:21:41,730
1651
01:21:42,230 --> 01:21:45,233
...I think things that you can judge
1652
01:21:45,275 --> 01:21:48,445
so easily from outside...
1653
01:21:50,739 --> 01:21:53,241
...become a bit more nuanced.
1654
01:21:53,283 --> 01:21:58,496
1655
01:22:01,625 --> 01:22:04,085
[El-Atr] Last call between me and Jamal,
1656
01:22:04,127 --> 01:22:07,255
he called to wish me happy birthday.
1657
01:22:07,297 --> 01:22:09,299
My birthday is 30 September,
1658
01:22:09,341 --> 01:22:11,968
which is two days before he disappear.
1659
01:22:13,678 --> 01:22:16,681
[Salem] He messaged from Istanbul.
1660
01:22:16,723 --> 01:22:21,436
He said to me, "What if I just go away to a desert island
1661
01:22:21,478 --> 01:22:25,231
for a couple weeks, couple years?"
1662
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:28,777
You know, he would-he would come to me and say things like
1663
01:22:28,818 --> 01:22:33,865
he was doubting his resolve, and he knew how I would react.
1664
01:22:33,907 --> 01:22:37,494
You know, a slap to the head.
1665
01:22:37,535 --> 01:22:38,745
"Jamal."
1666
01:22:38,787 --> 01:22:40,538
I remember saying these words,
1667
01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:42,582
'cause they will forever haunt me.
1668
01:22:42,624 --> 01:22:46,461
I said, "You are in a war,
1669
01:22:46,503 --> 01:22:49,172
and you can't give up.
1670
01:22:49,214 --> 01:22:51,633
You can't disappear."
1671
01:22:51,675 --> 01:22:54,594
Those are the last words
1672
01:22:54,636 --> 01:22:56,179
I said to him,
1673
01:22:56,221 --> 01:22:58,598
and I had no idea
1674
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,226
what I was even talking about.
1675
01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:04,813
1676
01:23:04,854 --> 01:23:08,233
So on the 28th of September,
1677
01:23:08,274 --> 01:23:12,278
uh, Jamal Khashoggi and his fiancée, Hatice,
1678
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,572
go to the consulate to get
1679
01:23:14,614 --> 01:23:19,119
an administrative piece of paper for their marriage.
1680
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,162
They tell him to come back
1681
01:23:21,204 --> 01:23:23,623
on the second of October and that on that day,
1682
01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:25,875
they'll have the document that he needs.
1683
01:23:25,917 --> 01:23:28,044
1684
01:23:28,086 --> 01:23:32,257
So the Turkish authorities had somehow bugged
1685
01:23:32,298 --> 01:23:34,217
the Saudi consulate,
1686
01:23:34,259 --> 01:23:38,179
and almost immediately, there are phone calls
1687
01:23:38,221 --> 01:23:41,391
between the consulate in Istanbul
1688
01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:43,560
and, uh, Riyadh.
1689
01:23:43,601 --> 01:23:46,438
And in the first call,
1690
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,356
it's a security attaché
1691
01:23:48,398 --> 01:23:52,736
who speaks to an intelligence officer, Mutreb.
1692
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:57,323
Mutreb explained that Mr. Jamal Khashoggi
1693
01:23:57,365 --> 01:24:00,869
is indeed someone that is being "sought"
1694
01:24:00,910 --> 01:24:02,120
and that they should proceed
1695
01:24:02,162 --> 01:24:04,539
with some kind of, uh-of mission.
1696
01:24:04,581 --> 01:24:07,625
suspenseful music
1697
01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:12,922
1698
01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:17,635
This special operation
1699
01:24:17,677 --> 01:24:21,181
involved 15 people.
1700
01:24:21,222 --> 01:24:23,892
Saud al-Qahtani met the team
1701
01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:27,228
before they left for Turkey
1702
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:30,982
on the Saudi government's private plane.
1703
01:24:31,024 --> 01:24:33,401
1704
01:24:33,443 --> 01:24:37,864
And Mutreb was leading the team,
1705
01:24:37,906 --> 01:24:41,493
and like every other member of the kill team,
1706
01:24:41,534 --> 01:24:45,413
he's a member of the Saudi intelligence.
1707
01:24:45,455 --> 01:24:46,998
Mutreb in particular
1708
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,209
had accompanied the crown price
1709
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:51,878
on some of this missions,
1710
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,006
and he was someone who worked closely
1711
01:24:55,048 --> 01:24:57,509
with Saud al-Qahtani.
1712
01:24:57,550 --> 01:25:02,806
1713
01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:06,351
[Obaid] Yes, it was Maher.
1714
01:25:06,392 --> 01:25:10,355
Maher was a, uh... was an intelligence officer
1715
01:25:10,396 --> 01:25:11,898
that worked at the Saudi embassy
1716
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:13,316
in, uh, London at that time.
1717
01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:15,401
He was there when we were there,
1718
01:25:15,443 --> 01:25:17,987
and, uh, I introduced them at one of our
1719
01:25:18,029 --> 01:25:20,406
afternoon teas together.
1720
01:25:20,448 --> 01:25:22,325
We were colleagues more than anything,
1721
01:25:22,367 --> 01:25:25,829
you know, and from time to time, Maher would join us.
1722
01:25:26,871 --> 01:25:28,373
To be fair, he was a nice guy.
1723
01:25:28,414 --> 01:25:33,670
1724
01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:50,311
[Callamard] Jamal Khashoggi enters the consulate at 1:14.
1725
01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:56,025
He is directed to the office of the consul.
1726
01:25:56,526 --> 01:26:01,739
1727
01:26:03,658 --> 01:26:08,621
He enters and finds many people in that room,
1728
01:26:08,663 --> 01:26:11,416
and so you can hear surprise
1729
01:26:11,457 --> 01:26:13,543
because Mutreb
1730
01:26:13,585 --> 01:26:16,045
and Jamal Khashoggi knew each other.
1731
01:26:16,087 --> 01:26:20,049
So when Jamal entered the consul office
1732
01:26:20,091 --> 01:26:24,220
and saw Mutreb, he did express some surprise,
1733
01:26:24,262 --> 01:26:29,225
but he welcomes Mutreb in fairly warm terms.
1734
01:26:29,267 --> 01:26:32,270
The conversation turns very quickly.
1735
01:26:32,312 --> 01:26:36,149
Mutreb is saying, "Don't make it difficult for us."
1736
01:26:36,191 --> 01:26:38,902
And you can hear the fear
1737
01:26:38,943 --> 01:26:42,155
in the voice of Jamal Khashoggi.
1738
01:26:43,865 --> 01:26:47,160
[Kandil] speaking Arabic
1739
01:27:04,802 --> 01:27:07,847
tense music
1740
01:27:29,285 --> 01:27:34,499
1741
01:27:41,297 --> 01:27:43,841
[Callamard] The doctor himself explained to Mutreb
1742
01:27:43,883 --> 01:27:48,513
that it will be easy to dismember the body.
1743
01:27:48,554 --> 01:27:52,100
Joints will be separated. It should not be a problem.
1744
01:27:52,141 --> 01:27:55,311
[saw whirring, plastic crinkling]
1745
01:27:58,815 --> 01:28:01,818
[whirring slows, stops]
1746
01:28:01,859 --> 01:28:03,194
At 3 p.m.,
1747
01:28:03,236 --> 01:28:05,154
CCTV captured people
1748
01:28:05,196 --> 01:28:07,657
leaving the consulate with plastic bags
1749
01:28:07,699 --> 01:28:10,493
with the remain of Mr. Khashoggi.
1750
01:28:10,535 --> 01:28:13,371
The body parts were carried out
1751
01:28:13,413 --> 01:28:16,666
in several bags and handed over
1752
01:28:16,708 --> 01:28:20,003
to other individuals who carried them
1753
01:28:20,044 --> 01:28:21,045
into the car.
1754
01:28:21,087 --> 01:28:25,258
And at 3:50, those same camera
1755
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:27,302
record a member of the kill team
1756
01:28:27,343 --> 01:28:30,847
leaving the consulate accompanied by someone else.
1757
01:28:30,888 --> 01:28:34,851
This man puts on Jamal Khashoggi's clothes,
1758
01:28:34,892 --> 01:28:36,144
puts a fake beard.
1759
01:28:36,185 --> 01:28:38,521
Could not put on the shoes.
1760
01:28:38,563 --> 01:28:40,315
They didn't fit.
1761
01:28:40,356 --> 01:28:44,694
And it was the shoes that prompted
1762
01:28:44,736 --> 01:28:47,030
the intelligence, uh, services
1763
01:28:47,071 --> 01:28:49,240
when they reviewed all the CCTV
1764
01:28:49,282 --> 01:28:51,367
to say that's not Jamal.
1765
01:28:54,203 --> 01:28:57,665
But this is meant to pretend
1766
01:28:57,707 --> 01:29:01,669
that Khashoggi left the consulate,
1767
01:29:01,711 --> 01:29:03,421
and we do not know
1768
01:29:03,463 --> 01:29:07,467
where Jamal remains are.
1769
01:29:10,553 --> 01:29:14,390
speaking Arabic
1770
01:29:26,861 --> 01:29:29,906
suspenseful music
1771
01:29:29,947 --> 01:29:34,619
1772
01:29:34,660 --> 01:29:38,247
[all] chanting in Arabic
1773
01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:41,542
1774
01:29:47,757 --> 01:29:50,426
[all] chanting in Arabic
1775
01:30:06,692 --> 01:30:08,945
[Brennan] Knowing what I know about Saudi Arabia,
1776
01:30:08,986 --> 01:30:11,614
there is no way that that horrific act
1777
01:30:11,656 --> 01:30:14,742
was carried out without the blessing
1778
01:30:14,784 --> 01:30:18,287
and direction from the very top of the Saudi government.
1779
01:30:18,329 --> 01:30:19,455
There's just no way.
1780
01:30:19,497 --> 01:30:21,040
[man] Senators from both sides of the aisle
1781
01:30:21,082 --> 01:30:24,043
are receiving the CIA briefing they have been demanding.
1782
01:30:24,085 --> 01:30:27,380
There's not a smoking gun. There's a smoking saw.
1783
01:30:27,422 --> 01:30:29,215
You have to be willfully blind
1784
01:30:29,257 --> 01:30:30,925
not to come to the conclusion
1785
01:30:30,967 --> 01:30:33,428
that this was orchestrated and organized
1786
01:30:33,469 --> 01:30:37,849
by people in-under the command of MBS.
1787
01:30:37,890 --> 01:30:39,350
[woman] Mr. President, why are you siding
1788
01:30:39,392 --> 01:30:42,145
with the Saudis over your own intelligence community?
1789
01:30:42,186 --> 01:30:44,063
Because it's America first to me.
1790
01:30:44,105 --> 01:30:45,648
It's all about America first.
1791
01:30:45,690 --> 01:30:48,526
We're not gonna give up hundreds of billions of dollars
1792
01:30:48,568 --> 01:30:51,070
in orders and let Russia, China,
1793
01:30:51,112 --> 01:30:52,447
and everybody else have them.
1794
01:30:52,488 --> 01:30:54,490
It's all about, for me, very simple,
1795
01:30:54,532 --> 01:30:55,616
it's America first.
1796
01:30:55,658 --> 01:30:59,662
1797
01:31:01,247 --> 01:31:03,374
[Rhodes] Saudi Arabia can't exist
1798
01:31:03,416 --> 01:31:04,959
without the United States.
1799
01:31:05,001 --> 01:31:08,629
Their security guarantor for decades
1800
01:31:08,671 --> 01:31:11,132
has been the United States.
1801
01:31:11,883 --> 01:31:14,010
The U.S. was in some way responsible
1802
01:31:14,051 --> 01:31:15,553
for this man's death,
1803
01:31:15,595 --> 01:31:17,138
because the sense of impunity
1804
01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:18,973
we give Mohammed bin Salman
1805
01:31:19,015 --> 01:31:21,100
with this red carpet treatment that he got
1806
01:31:21,142 --> 01:31:22,351
and the embrace from Trump
1807
01:31:22,393 --> 01:31:23,936
and nobody really pushing back,
1808
01:31:23,978 --> 01:31:26,355
I think he thought he could get away with anything,
1809
01:31:26,397 --> 01:31:27,857
and he was right.
1810
01:31:27,899 --> 01:31:30,193
And it's just disgusting to see him
1811
01:31:30,234 --> 01:31:33,237
kind of grinning and shaking hands with this guy
1812
01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:35,990
who just chopped up another human being.
1813
01:31:36,032 --> 01:31:40,912
1814
01:31:40,953 --> 01:31:44,373
[camera shutters clicking]
1815
01:31:58,012 --> 01:32:00,097
[Bass] Good afternoon, everyone.
1816
01:32:00,139 --> 01:32:01,557
This hearing for the Subcommittee
1817
01:32:01,599 --> 01:32:03,976
on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights,
1818
01:32:04,018 --> 01:32:07,104
and International Organizations will come to order.
1819
01:32:07,146 --> 01:32:08,648
I note that a quorum is present.
1820
01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:09,857
[gavel bangs]
1821
01:32:09,899 --> 01:32:12,527
[Rundell] We have both political and economic reasons
1822
01:32:12,568 --> 01:32:15,196
to maintain a relationship with Saudi Arabia.
1823
01:32:15,238 --> 01:32:17,573
Saudi Arabia is a strategic ally,
1824
01:32:17,615 --> 01:32:21,160
and I do think that outweighs the death of one person.
1825
01:32:21,202 --> 01:32:22,787
Yes, it does.
1826
01:32:22,828 --> 01:32:24,914
So there's a paid political commercial
1827
01:32:24,956 --> 01:32:27,583
for Mohammed bin Salman, but, uh, you know,
1828
01:32:27,625 --> 01:32:30,127
I-I believe that, so any event, there you go.
1829
01:32:30,169 --> 01:32:32,129
I thought that needed to be said.
1830
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,216
[Bass] Ms. Cengiz.
1831
01:32:37,843 --> 01:32:40,096
[Hatice sighs]
1832
01:32:40,555 --> 01:32:43,766
speaking Arabic
1833
01:33:09,834 --> 01:33:13,170
somber music
1834
01:33:13,212 --> 01:33:16,007
[sobbing]
1835
01:33:16,048 --> 01:33:19,051
Oh, Jamal.
1836
01:33:19,969 --> 01:33:23,222
[indistinct chatter]
1837
01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:28,644
[Kandil] speaking Arabic
1838
01:33:43,451 --> 01:33:47,163
1839
01:33:47,204 --> 01:33:51,459
[Salem] The best justice for him is a young person
1840
01:33:51,500 --> 01:33:53,377
reading his writing,
1841
01:33:53,419 --> 01:33:55,171
knowing about him...
1842
01:33:55,212 --> 01:33:57,798
1843
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,886
...being sure that those that want him to be forgotten,
1844
01:34:01,927 --> 01:34:04,013
that they will not win.
1845
01:34:04,055 --> 01:34:09,310
1846
01:34:11,228 --> 01:34:15,691
Well, you know, Jamal was a friend and, uh...
1847
01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:19,987
...America and the kingdom
1848
01:34:20,029 --> 01:34:23,074
have a toxic relationship,
1849
01:34:23,115 --> 01:34:26,035
and it poisons not only our own societies,
1850
01:34:26,077 --> 01:34:28,913
but it's spread all over the world.
1851
01:34:28,954 --> 01:34:31,040
The chaos, the wars--
1852
01:34:31,082 --> 01:34:33,542
America's had a big hand in that.
1853
01:34:33,584 --> 01:34:35,586
And Jamal's been in the middle of that
1854
01:34:35,628 --> 01:34:37,630
from his earliest days.
1855
01:34:37,672 --> 01:34:41,884
He embodied, in some ways, that relationship.
1856
01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:44,136
But this contradiction
1857
01:34:44,178 --> 01:34:48,891
became so nakedly obvious, you had to choose.
1858
01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:51,894
Which side are you on?
1859
01:34:51,936 --> 01:34:55,231
dramatic music
1860
01:34:55,272 --> 01:34:57,024
1861
01:34:57,066 --> 01:34:59,485
[Faris as Khashoggi] The revolution is over.
1862
01:34:59,527 --> 01:35:01,904
Its most important values--
1863
01:35:01,946 --> 01:35:05,658
freedom, dignity, and the right to life--
1864
01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:08,577
have fallen by the wayside.
1865
01:35:08,619 --> 01:35:11,706
The majority is unmoved by the sight of the dead
1866
01:35:11,747 --> 01:35:14,542
when they belong to the other side.
1867
01:35:16,669 --> 01:35:18,838
Divisions have even emerged
1868
01:35:18,879 --> 01:35:22,800
between the detained, the refugee, the cynic,
1869
01:35:22,842 --> 01:35:26,887
and the dead that were never celebrated as martyrs.
1870
01:35:28,180 --> 01:35:31,267
I can imagine a young man returning home,
1871
01:35:31,308 --> 01:35:33,436
exhausted and bloodied.
1872
01:35:33,477 --> 01:35:36,939
He weeps for his dead brethren.
1873
01:35:37,898 --> 01:35:41,569
Before going to bed after Thursday's dawn prayers,
1874
01:35:41,610 --> 01:35:44,572
the young man murmurs to himself,
1875
01:35:44,613 --> 01:35:47,825
"The revolution is not over yet."
1876
01:35:47,867 --> 01:35:51,245
The will of the people is still the law.
1877
01:35:51,287 --> 01:35:54,123
A new generation must take the lead
1878
01:35:54,165 --> 01:35:57,501
and look to the future, not the past.
1879
01:35:59,336 --> 01:36:02,882
One of the most beautiful things I have ever heard
1880
01:36:02,923 --> 01:36:06,260
is the call of the Prophet.
1881
01:36:06,302 --> 01:36:10,765
In the beginning, it is a call to freedom.
1882
01:36:10,806 --> 01:36:15,227
That dream of freedom is alive in us,
1883
01:36:15,269 --> 01:36:17,229
ready to emerge again
1884
01:36:17,271 --> 01:36:20,441
with the first sounds of emancipation.
1885
01:36:20,483 --> 01:36:23,652
[somber, stirring music]
1886
01:36:23,694 --> 01:36:28,866
171505
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.