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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,064 --> 00:00:26,860 [faint indistinct chatter] 2 00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:31,031 dramatic music 3 00:00:31,072 --> 00:00:36,286 4 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:40,331 [static crackling] 5 00:00:40,373 --> 00:00:41,541 [man] Today the United Nations released 6 00:00:41,583 --> 00:00:43,793 a report on the assassination 7 00:00:43,835 --> 00:00:46,880 of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi, 8 00:00:46,921 --> 00:00:49,090 and I must warn you this report 9 00:00:49,132 --> 00:00:50,341 is the most horrifying thing 10 00:00:50,383 --> 00:00:52,969 that I've ever had to read from this chair. 11 00:00:53,011 --> 00:00:54,471 - It says... - [woman] On Tuesday, 12 00:00:54,512 --> 00:00:57,515 Jamal Khashoggi walked into this Saudi consulate... 13 00:00:57,557 --> 00:00:59,017 [man] ...and seemed to vanish. 14 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:00,310 [man] There is an anxiety 15 00:01:00,351 --> 00:01:02,604 that he could have been spirited out of the country. 16 00:01:02,645 --> 00:01:04,564 [woman] The Saudi government still offering 17 00:01:04,606 --> 00:01:06,274 conflicting narratives... 18 00:01:06,316 --> 00:01:09,277 [Salem] Jamal worked directly for the royal family 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,779 in different capacities. 20 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:12,697 He was a loyal Saudi, 21 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:15,366 but how he defined that loyalty 22 00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:17,952 over time changed... 23 00:01:17,994 --> 00:01:20,497 speaking Arabic 24 00:01:20,538 --> 00:01:21,456 [laughter] 25 00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:22,957 [Salem] ...as did the kingdom itself. 26 00:01:22,999 --> 00:01:26,252 [woman] Turkish officials have audio and video recordings 27 00:01:26,294 --> 00:01:27,962 that prove the journalist was... 28 00:01:28,004 --> 00:01:29,339 [woman] ...strangled as soon as he entered 29 00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:30,465 the Saudi consulate. 30 00:01:30,507 --> 00:01:31,800 [man] ...killed during a fistfight. 31 00:01:31,841 --> 00:01:33,176 [woman] ...asphyxiated with a plastic bag. 32 00:01:33,218 --> 00:01:34,677 [man] Khashoggi was tortured, murdered... 33 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,473 [Wright] Jamal enjoyed access to princely protection, 34 00:01:38,515 --> 00:01:43,019 but that protection depended upon the princes themselves 35 00:01:43,061 --> 00:01:44,270 having influence. 36 00:01:44,312 --> 00:01:45,563 [Maloney] He was already in danger, 37 00:01:45,605 --> 00:01:48,316 but this was exponentially more dangerous. 38 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:52,529 The Saudi monarchy operates like the Mafia, 39 00:01:52,570 --> 00:01:54,322 and you don't cross the godfather. 40 00:01:54,364 --> 00:01:56,741 [man] This lays out in forensic detail 41 00:01:56,783 --> 00:01:59,744 how they planned to murder him, to dismember him. 42 00:01:59,786 --> 00:02:01,663 - [man] ...fingers cut off... - [man] ...joints separated... 43 00:02:01,704 --> 00:02:03,289 [woman] You could hear them laughing. 44 00:02:03,331 --> 00:02:05,875 We were always doing all this work for something bigger, 45 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:07,502 for country, for king. 46 00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:09,754 Anybody that tells you that they know 47 00:02:09,796 --> 00:02:13,633 every aspect of Jamal's life, they are 100% lying to you. 48 00:02:13,675 --> 00:02:14,843 [man] ...calling for the administration 49 00:02:14,884 --> 00:02:16,136 to punish Saudi Arabia. 50 00:02:16,177 --> 00:02:18,429 [man] There's not a smoking gun; there's a smoking saw. 51 00:02:18,471 --> 00:02:20,014 [man] This is the worst moment 52 00:02:20,056 --> 00:02:22,267 in U.S.-Saudi relations since 9/11. 53 00:02:22,308 --> 00:02:25,812 [Obaid] I mean, the moral of the story is... 54 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:28,022 the moral of the story is that there is no moral. 55 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:29,482 There is no morality. 56 00:02:29,524 --> 00:02:30,817 I mean, what is the morality of this? 57 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:33,194 I wouldn't be able to give you an answer. 58 00:02:33,236 --> 00:02:34,279 [static crackling] 59 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,905 [man] There are reports the CIA 60 00:02:35,947 --> 00:02:37,115 now has high confidence 61 00:02:37,157 --> 00:02:39,659 the murder was ordered by the Saudi crown prince... 62 00:02:39,701 --> 00:02:42,453 [man] The United States is condoning the murder 63 00:02:42,495 --> 00:02:43,830 of a U.S. resident... 64 00:02:43,872 --> 00:02:45,957 [Trump] Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. 65 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:46,958 They did not know... 66 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,169 [woman] Why kill Jamal Khashoggi? 67 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:54,424 68 00:03:00,388 --> 00:03:02,223 [man] Okay, go ahead. 69 00:03:02,265 --> 00:03:03,224 [woman] Okay, great. 70 00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:04,601 Are you-are you looking off camera? 71 00:03:04,642 --> 00:03:06,144 [man] Yeah, he's looking off camera. 72 00:03:06,186 --> 00:03:07,687 [woman] Okay, thanks. Great. 73 00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:08,855 How do I describe you? 74 00:03:08,897 --> 00:03:11,399 Like, what kind of title should I give you? 75 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:14,485 I'm a Saudi journalist, uh, 76 00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:16,070 self-exiled in Washington. 77 00:03:16,112 --> 00:03:18,364 [Faris as Khashoggi] I write for The Washington Post. 78 00:03:18,406 --> 00:03:22,035 [woman] Okay, and why? Why did you self-exile? 79 00:03:22,076 --> 00:03:23,912 [Faris as Khashoggi] How breathtakingly fast 80 00:03:23,953 --> 00:03:27,665 you can fall out of favor. 81 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:30,585 It is all quite shocking. 82 00:03:32,128 --> 00:03:36,925 Saudi Arabia is the only home we know or want, 83 00:03:36,966 --> 00:03:39,135 yet we are the enemy. 84 00:03:40,803 --> 00:03:44,057 How did all this change? 85 00:03:44,098 --> 00:03:46,768 [engine rumbling] 86 00:03:49,979 --> 00:03:52,565 I was a teenager in the 1970s 87 00:03:52,607 --> 00:03:56,903 and grew up in the markets around the Prophet's Mosque. 88 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:59,739 As a Saudi journalist starting my career, 89 00:03:59,781 --> 00:04:03,326 I witnessed phenomenal growth and expansion. 90 00:04:03,368 --> 00:04:06,913 Scholars and the people were brimming with expectations. 91 00:04:06,955 --> 00:04:08,456 And the United States 92 00:04:08,498 --> 00:04:11,501 was our most important trading partner, 93 00:04:11,542 --> 00:04:13,253 importer of Saudi oil 94 00:04:13,294 --> 00:04:16,464 and our main source of weapons. 95 00:04:20,009 --> 00:04:21,928 [Rundell] The Saudi-American relationship 96 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:24,722 started as a commercial relationship. 97 00:04:24,764 --> 00:04:29,978 The Saudis were a reservoir of global energy. 98 00:04:31,437 --> 00:04:35,441 I was a foreign service officer for 30 years. 99 00:04:35,483 --> 00:04:38,194 Basically, everybody from Jimmy Carter 100 00:04:38,236 --> 00:04:40,154 to, uh, Barack Obama. 101 00:04:41,072 --> 00:04:42,615 There's really nobody-- 102 00:04:42,657 --> 00:04:43,700 and I say that perhaps 103 00:04:43,741 --> 00:04:45,535 somewhat forcefully, but it's true, 104 00:04:45,576 --> 00:04:47,120 that there is no other American 105 00:04:47,161 --> 00:04:49,122 with my level of experience. 106 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:52,667 The American government really had no relations 107 00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:56,879 with Saudi Arabia until what's today Chevron 108 00:04:56,921 --> 00:04:59,882 went there and began to drill for oil. 109 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:04,762 [Brennan] Administration after administration, 110 00:05:04,804 --> 00:05:07,432 in the '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, 111 00:05:07,473 --> 00:05:11,436 wanted to make sure that the government, uh, in Riyadh, 112 00:05:11,477 --> 00:05:14,772 uh, was going to be, uh, one that was closely aligned 113 00:05:14,814 --> 00:05:16,607 with the United States. 114 00:05:17,734 --> 00:05:21,821 I was working at the CIA in Saudi Arabia 115 00:05:21,863 --> 00:05:24,574 in the early 1980s. 116 00:05:24,615 --> 00:05:28,870 It was soon after King Fahd rose to the throne. 117 00:05:28,911 --> 00:05:30,371 And during that period 118 00:05:30,413 --> 00:05:32,123 there was a significant infusion 119 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:36,336 of military support to the fledging Saudi military. 120 00:05:36,377 --> 00:05:38,504 We were very concerned about making sure 121 00:05:38,546 --> 00:05:41,215 the Saudi monarchy was going to be stable. 122 00:05:41,257 --> 00:05:42,717 [indistinct chatter] 123 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:45,219 [Wright] Saudi Arabia is divided 124 00:05:45,261 --> 00:05:47,305 into the royals and the nonroyals, 125 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:48,848 and the royals own everything. 126 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:51,517 You know, it's named after their family. 127 00:05:51,559 --> 00:05:55,480 The whole kingdom is Saudi Arabia, 128 00:05:55,521 --> 00:05:58,858 ruled by the sons of King Abdulaziz 129 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:01,194 for a hundred years. 130 00:06:01,235 --> 00:06:02,987 You can get totally lost 131 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:06,449 in the Kremlinology of the Saudi royal family. 132 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:07,700 [indistinct chatter] 133 00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:10,995 But it's a family, and they govern by consensus. 134 00:06:11,037 --> 00:06:13,790 There are spats and there are factions, 135 00:06:13,831 --> 00:06:15,917 but until recently, 136 00:06:15,958 --> 00:06:18,836 decisions would be made by consensus. 137 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:22,673 And in the category of nonroyals, 138 00:06:22,715 --> 00:06:25,927 Jamal Khashoggi carried a lot of influence. 139 00:06:26,803 --> 00:06:29,472 I don't think there was any place in Saudi Arabia 140 00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:31,599 that was closed to him. 141 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:33,851 It wasn't just that he was powerful. 142 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:34,894 People liked him. 143 00:06:34,936 --> 00:06:36,145 [helicopter rotors whirring] 144 00:06:36,187 --> 00:06:38,981 Jamal had an interesting analysis 145 00:06:39,023 --> 00:06:42,527 of the problems of Saudi Arabia. 146 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:44,237 We talked about the schizophrenia 147 00:06:44,278 --> 00:06:47,115 that so many Saudis had expressed to me. 148 00:06:47,156 --> 00:06:48,533 [indistinct chatter] 149 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:50,993 It's undemocratic. It's intolerant. 150 00:06:51,035 --> 00:06:54,163 It is one step below a theocracy. 151 00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:56,207 From the beginning of our relationship, 152 00:06:56,249 --> 00:07:00,044 America's had this tie to this distinctly 153 00:07:00,086 --> 00:07:02,213 non-American entity 154 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:05,883 and has enabled it, up to this day, to survive. 155 00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:07,093 [man] speaking Arabic 156 00:07:07,135 --> 00:07:09,262 [Rundell] To call them authoritarian 157 00:07:09,303 --> 00:07:12,557 is true in an absolute sense, 158 00:07:12,598 --> 00:07:15,393 but really, most administrations 159 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:17,812 who deal with Saudi Arabia over time 160 00:07:17,854 --> 00:07:21,107 become aware of the fact that Saudi Arabia 161 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:24,652 is a valuable friend, a valuable ally, 162 00:07:24,694 --> 00:07:27,447 and to throw that under the bus is a bad idea. 163 00:07:27,488 --> 00:07:30,158 [call to prayer playing over loudspeakers] 164 00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:34,370 [Wright] Saudi Arabia was a part of the world 165 00:07:34,412 --> 00:07:36,664 that we didn't care about, except for the oil. 166 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:39,041 They can believe what they want to believe 167 00:07:39,083 --> 00:07:41,294 as long as they keep pumping. 168 00:07:41,335 --> 00:07:43,588 But that totally changed 169 00:07:43,629 --> 00:07:45,756 when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan 170 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:47,675 in December '79. 171 00:07:47,717 --> 00:07:51,262 [artillery firing] 172 00:07:53,514 --> 00:07:56,684 [gunfire] 173 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:08,112 Afghanistan was the major Islamic cause 174 00:08:08,154 --> 00:08:10,781 in Saudi Arabia in the '80s. 175 00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:12,825 Americans did not want to appear 176 00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:16,412 as if they are in direct war with the Soviet Union, 177 00:08:16,454 --> 00:08:18,748 so we in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan 178 00:08:18,789 --> 00:08:20,750 were doing a cover-up in the operation, 179 00:08:20,791 --> 00:08:22,043 which was an open secret. 180 00:08:22,084 --> 00:08:23,336 Everybody knew about it, 181 00:08:23,377 --> 00:08:26,130 this Saudi-American-Pakistani campaign 182 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:29,050 to drive the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. 183 00:08:29,091 --> 00:08:31,844 184 00:08:31,886 --> 00:08:34,347 I do not deny that I had sympathy 185 00:08:34,388 --> 00:08:35,598 toward the Afghan cause, 186 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:40,186 because, uh, I myself come out from Islamic circles, 187 00:08:40,228 --> 00:08:43,022 and I still believe it was a just cause. 188 00:08:43,064 --> 00:08:47,151 And Saudi Arabia should be appreciated for that. 189 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:51,280 And it was a big story, which, uh, kind of, uh, made my name 190 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:52,782 in the field of journalism. 191 00:08:52,823 --> 00:08:55,451 [all] chanting in Arabic 192 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:03,167 [chanting continues] 193 00:09:03,209 --> 00:09:08,422 194 00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:11,259 [Faris as Khashoggi] The Arab News, 195 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:14,887 Afghanistan, May 4, 1988. 196 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:18,057 A report by Jamal Khashoggi. 197 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:21,394 Muslims are one nation. 198 00:09:21,435 --> 00:09:23,938 Despite geographical barriers 199 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:27,066 and differences in color and language, 200 00:09:27,108 --> 00:09:30,278 they consider themselves brothers. 201 00:09:31,487 --> 00:09:36,284 As many as 1,000 Arab youths are here in Afghanistan. 202 00:09:36,325 --> 00:09:39,954 They are actively involved in the war. 203 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:43,791 Most come from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, 204 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:45,751 Algeria, Morocco. 205 00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:49,297 The assistant to the commander 206 00:09:49,338 --> 00:09:52,508 of the northern Panjshir base is an Algerian 207 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:54,760 named Abdullah Anas. 208 00:09:54,802 --> 00:09:56,804 209 00:09:56,846 --> 00:09:59,515 [Anas] So you have to cross seven mountains 210 00:09:59,557 --> 00:10:02,393 to come from Pakistan. 211 00:10:02,435 --> 00:10:05,187 Jamal Khashoggi, I remember, 212 00:10:05,229 --> 00:10:07,523 we come across with him. 213 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:10,026 You are talking about a journey 214 00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:14,363 where, uh, could have, uh, avalanche, snow. 215 00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:16,574 You could face air strikes. 216 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:20,244 You could, uh, face ambushes from the Soviets. 217 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:22,830 But on top of being scared, 218 00:10:22,872 --> 00:10:24,373 you are more excited 219 00:10:24,415 --> 00:10:26,459 because you feel this is a gift 220 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:27,918 you are gifted by Allah, 221 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,879 that you are part of the mujahideen, 222 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,297 you are, uh, um... 223 00:10:31,339 --> 00:10:34,133 finally, you are, uh, making the history 224 00:10:34,175 --> 00:10:38,554 with these heroes and these, uh-uh, brave people. 225 00:10:38,596 --> 00:10:41,515 So all this makes you forget that threat, 226 00:10:41,557 --> 00:10:45,478 forget the-the fear, forget, uh, everything. 227 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:50,733 228 00:10:51,901 --> 00:10:55,196 speaking Arabic 229 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,752 230 00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:12,129 [artillery firing] 231 00:11:13,464 --> 00:11:15,466 [Wright] Jamal went to Afghanistan 232 00:11:15,508 --> 00:11:17,760 to be a war correspondent. 233 00:11:17,802 --> 00:11:20,596 He did not have much of a reputation then, 234 00:11:20,638 --> 00:11:22,932 but there was this little group of Arabs 235 00:11:22,973 --> 00:11:25,017 led by Osama bin Laden, 236 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:28,229 who was, at that point, practically unknown. 237 00:11:29,355 --> 00:11:33,526 It was a propitious moment in Jamal's career. 238 00:11:33,567 --> 00:11:35,653 They got to be friends. 239 00:11:37,655 --> 00:11:40,866 He was somewhat blinded 240 00:11:40,908 --> 00:11:42,618 by the charisma 241 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:45,871 and-and the-the sense of history 242 00:11:45,913 --> 00:11:47,832 that surrounded this young man. 243 00:11:47,873 --> 00:11:50,918 244 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,255 [Anas] speaking Arabic 245 00:12:08,018 --> 00:12:09,770 [Khashoggi] I met Osama the first time 246 00:12:09,812 --> 00:12:11,313 at the end of '87, 247 00:12:11,355 --> 00:12:14,400 and that's where I took the first picture of him ever 248 00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:17,570 to be printed in any media. 249 00:12:17,611 --> 00:12:20,406 He was the leader or, as he used to be called, 250 00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:23,409 the emir of the Arab mujahideen in Afghanistan. 251 00:12:23,451 --> 00:12:25,286 [Wright] Osama bin Laden 252 00:12:25,327 --> 00:12:27,997 became Saudi Arabia's first celebrity, 253 00:12:28,038 --> 00:12:30,791 a category that didn't exist in Saudi Arabia 254 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:33,294 until that time, and I think, to some extent, 255 00:12:33,335 --> 00:12:36,213 Jamal helped him become that person. 256 00:12:42,803 --> 00:12:44,013 [Bishara] Jamal and I, 257 00:12:44,054 --> 00:12:46,348 I mean, I was actually an opinion page writer, 258 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:49,018 so we would meet every once in a while, 259 00:12:49,059 --> 00:12:51,312 uh, along with other colleagues. 260 00:12:52,938 --> 00:12:56,650 Jamal was one of those important sources, 261 00:12:56,692 --> 00:12:57,902 a treasure, I would say. 262 00:12:57,943 --> 00:13:00,571 He was sitting on this crossroad of relationship 263 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:03,574 between Saudi Arabia and the United States 264 00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:06,911 fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. 265 00:13:06,952 --> 00:13:09,121 But of course, we would take a lot of what he said 266 00:13:09,163 --> 00:13:12,708 with grain of salt because he was, at the time, 267 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:15,544 associated with the Saudi establishment. 268 00:13:17,463 --> 00:13:21,091 There weren't many Saudi or other journalists 269 00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:24,720 who had access to bin Laden or to those groups. 270 00:13:24,762 --> 00:13:27,264 These were different times. 271 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:29,350 The United States and Saudi Arabia 272 00:13:29,391 --> 00:13:31,268 celebrated radical Islam 273 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:32,686 as long as radical Islam 274 00:13:32,728 --> 00:13:36,398 was directly against communism. 275 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,567 [Soufan] I started working on Osama bin Laden 276 00:13:38,609 --> 00:13:42,154 for the National Security Division here in New York. 277 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:44,240 I read Arabic media, 278 00:13:44,281 --> 00:13:46,826 and I knew of Jamal Khashoggi, 279 00:13:46,867 --> 00:13:49,870 and I knew about his... you know, his-his writings 280 00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:52,540 and his relationship with the Saudi government. 281 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:55,918 The Saudis had a lot to gain 282 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,378 from promoting Osama bin Laden, 283 00:13:57,419 --> 00:14:00,005 and Jamal was part of that effort. 284 00:14:00,047 --> 00:14:02,675 Afghan jihad made Osama bin Laden. 285 00:14:02,716 --> 00:14:04,552 But the Saudis were not doing their own thing 286 00:14:04,593 --> 00:14:05,636 in Afghanistan. 287 00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:07,847 It was a part of the U.S.'s strategy. 288 00:14:07,888 --> 00:14:11,392 We gave them Stinger missiles, for heaven's sake. 289 00:14:14,186 --> 00:14:16,230 The Saudis were working very closely 290 00:14:16,272 --> 00:14:17,565 with the United States. 291 00:14:17,606 --> 00:14:19,692 They used to come and visit Ronald Reagan 292 00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:21,151 in the White House. 293 00:14:21,193 --> 00:14:24,738 We had recruitment offices here in the United States. 294 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:26,031 [laughter] 295 00:14:26,073 --> 00:14:27,783 This is when the Saudi interests, 296 00:14:27,825 --> 00:14:30,828 our interests, Osama bin Laden's interests 297 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:32,037 were all the same: 298 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:34,498 defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan. 299 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,751 [applause] 300 00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:41,380 On behalf of the American people, 301 00:14:41,422 --> 00:14:44,383 I salute Chairman Khalis, 302 00:14:44,425 --> 00:14:45,759 his delegation, 303 00:14:45,801 --> 00:14:48,888 and the people of Afghanistan themselves. 304 00:14:48,929 --> 00:14:51,682 You are a nation of heroes. God bless you. 305 00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:53,017 [applause] 306 00:14:53,058 --> 00:14:54,518 [Clarke] During the Reagan administration, 307 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,937 I was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State 308 00:14:56,979 --> 00:14:58,814 for Intelligence, 309 00:14:58,856 --> 00:15:02,026 and we were very much focused on the war in Afghanistan 310 00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:03,694 on a day-to-day basis, uh, 311 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:07,197 calculating how many Russian helicopters had been shot down. 312 00:15:07,239 --> 00:15:08,449 They applauded. 313 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:09,909 The soldiers actually applauded. 314 00:15:09,950 --> 00:15:11,577 [Clarke] We followed the progress 315 00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:12,703 of the mujahideen 316 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:15,456 in combating the Soviet troops, 317 00:15:15,497 --> 00:15:18,542 and these were really mountain people, 318 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:20,794 Afghan tribal leaders. 319 00:15:20,836 --> 00:15:23,172 And the only thing we really had in common with them 320 00:15:23,213 --> 00:15:25,925 was, we both wanted to defeat the Soviets. 321 00:15:25,966 --> 00:15:28,469 We had nothing else in common. 322 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:31,055 [Wright] For the U.S., 323 00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:33,432 spreading this kind of radical Islam 324 00:15:33,474 --> 00:15:35,351 was not seen in those days as a threat. 325 00:15:35,392 --> 00:15:36,602 It was just a tool. 326 00:15:36,644 --> 00:15:38,520 Thank you very much. 327 00:15:38,562 --> 00:15:41,857 [Wright] No one ever really thought about the aftermath. 328 00:15:41,899 --> 00:15:44,068 [gunfire] 329 00:15:44,109 --> 00:15:46,111 [Rather] The retreat of Soviet military power 330 00:15:46,153 --> 00:15:47,696 from Afghanistan is complete. 331 00:15:47,738 --> 00:15:50,491 Fear and uncertainty were mixed with joy today 332 00:15:50,532 --> 00:15:52,576 as the commander of Soviet troops 333 00:15:52,618 --> 00:15:54,828 followed the last of his men across the border, 334 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:57,831 leaving the communist Afghan regime alone 335 00:15:57,873 --> 00:16:00,459 to face victorious resistance fighters. 336 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:03,462 uneasy music 337 00:16:03,504 --> 00:16:08,717 338 00:16:13,764 --> 00:16:16,308 [Anas] Those days, those years, 339 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:18,727 it's the heaven of my life. 340 00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:21,563 I will never regret those days. 341 00:16:21,605 --> 00:16:24,274 342 00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:28,153 The mujahideen came to Kabul in one caravan. 343 00:16:28,195 --> 00:16:31,365 I remember-still remember seeing Jamal Khashoggi, 344 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:33,242 "Oh, brother Abdullah." 345 00:16:33,283 --> 00:16:34,618 Jamal also was excited 346 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,788 because this is the moment he was waiting for, uh, 347 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:39,873 like the hundreds of Arabs. 348 00:16:40,749 --> 00:16:42,668 [Khashoggi] I approved of the war 349 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:45,004 against the Soviet Union, 350 00:16:45,045 --> 00:16:49,550 but in 1990 and on, it was not the same. 351 00:16:49,591 --> 00:16:53,387 Al-Qaeda was established around that time, 352 00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:55,806 and I covered Osama bin Laden 353 00:16:55,848 --> 00:17:00,728 when he was, uh, part of, uh, a campaign 354 00:17:00,769 --> 00:17:03,022 which I agreed, 355 00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:06,567 but I saw him change. 356 00:17:07,776 --> 00:17:10,362 Afghanistan had become so ugly. 357 00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:12,906 Abdullah Anas, a friend, he said to me once 358 00:17:12,948 --> 00:17:15,159 that he did not like it very much. 359 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,452 It was full of divisions, 360 00:17:16,493 --> 00:17:20,039 full of envy and poisonous ideas. 361 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,082 I think he was right. 362 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:27,379 This happiness slowly, slowly started to-to transfer 363 00:17:27,421 --> 00:17:28,964 to a nightmare, 364 00:17:29,006 --> 00:17:31,091 to a funeral, 365 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:36,180 and then the rockets started coming from everywhere. 366 00:17:37,598 --> 00:17:40,100 So all that dream, gone. 367 00:17:40,142 --> 00:17:43,771 Replaced by civil war. 368 00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,564 somber music 369 00:17:45,606 --> 00:17:49,651 [Clarke] If we had just left Afghanistan alone, 370 00:17:49,693 --> 00:17:51,695 in 20/20 hindsight, 371 00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:54,948 I think things might have been better, uh, in the long run. 372 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:57,367 373 00:17:57,409 --> 00:17:58,911 [Brennan] Both within CIA 374 00:17:58,952 --> 00:18:00,621 as well as in the Saudi government, 375 00:18:00,662 --> 00:18:03,540 there was a sense of accomplishment. 376 00:18:03,582 --> 00:18:07,127 There were certainly missteps that had consequences, 377 00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:08,879 uh, negative consequences, whatever, 378 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:11,256 but, uh, that's history. 379 00:18:11,298 --> 00:18:12,841 380 00:18:12,883 --> 00:18:15,260 [jet engine whooshing] 381 00:18:18,263 --> 00:18:21,475 [crowd screaming] 382 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:26,522 [sirens wailing] 383 00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:31,944 [horns blaring] 384 00:18:34,905 --> 00:18:38,325 [panicked chatter] 385 00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:44,081 [sirens blaring] 386 00:18:44,748 --> 00:18:47,876 [Faris as Khashoggi] I collapsed crying a while ago. 387 00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:52,923 Why did 15 of our young men take part in the attacks? 388 00:18:54,842 --> 00:18:57,678 What can we tell these boys' mothers? 389 00:18:58,595 --> 00:19:03,142 Will we repeat the lie that they were martyred for Islam? 390 00:19:05,602 --> 00:19:08,480 I collapsed crying a while ago, 391 00:19:08,522 --> 00:19:11,984 heartbroken for you, Osama. 392 00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:13,610 You were beautiful and brave 393 00:19:13,652 --> 00:19:17,698 in those beautiful days in Afghanistan 394 00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:21,827 before you surrendered to hatred and rage. 395 00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:27,249 What happened in the last ten years? 396 00:19:31,378 --> 00:19:33,463 We must ensure that our children 397 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:37,426 can never be influenced by extremist ideas, 398 00:19:37,467 --> 00:19:39,261 like those 15 Saudis 399 00:19:39,303 --> 00:19:42,472 who were misled into hijacking four planes 400 00:19:42,514 --> 00:19:45,726 that fine September day, 401 00:19:45,767 --> 00:19:48,353 piloting them and us 402 00:19:48,395 --> 00:19:52,941 straight into the jaws of hell. 403 00:19:52,983 --> 00:19:58,238 404 00:20:00,991 --> 00:20:02,951 [Clarke] A lot of us felt rage, 405 00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:04,912 rage against our own government 406 00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:06,663 that we were part of. 407 00:20:06,705 --> 00:20:09,499 Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudis, 408 00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:11,627 and the warnings were clear, 409 00:20:11,668 --> 00:20:14,796 but they were ignored at the highest levels, 410 00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:16,256 uh, repeatedly, 411 00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:17,466 and the price was enormous. 412 00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:20,886 [indistinct chatter] 413 00:20:20,928 --> 00:20:22,429 [gavel banging] 414 00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:30,312 [Kean] Our next witness is Mr. Richard Clarke, 415 00:20:30,354 --> 00:20:32,356 who served as a former National Coordinator 416 00:20:32,397 --> 00:20:35,234 for Counterterrorism at the National Security Council. 417 00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:37,194 [Clarke] I think the Saudi government knew 418 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:39,863 that they were at risk of the American people 419 00:20:39,905 --> 00:20:42,908 and the American Congress and the American media 420 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:46,620 going after them, uh, for having supported, uh, al-Qaeda. 421 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:51,333 To the loved ones of the victims of 9/11, 422 00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:53,877 to them who are here in the room, 423 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:57,923 to those who are watching on television, 424 00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:01,218 your government failed you. 425 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:06,390 Those entrusted with protecting you failed you. 426 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:09,184 And I failed you. 427 00:21:09,226 --> 00:21:11,687 [Rhodes] I worked two years for the Democratic 428 00:21:11,728 --> 00:21:13,981 Vice Chairman of the 9/11 Commission, 429 00:21:14,022 --> 00:21:16,984 and one of the areas of research that I did for him 430 00:21:17,025 --> 00:21:19,319 was Saudi Arabia, and... 431 00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:22,948 and, um, you know, 432 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:25,409 as someone who witnessed 9/11, who's a New Yorker, 433 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:26,827 it wasn't just the reality 434 00:21:26,868 --> 00:21:30,080 that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi 435 00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,958 but also that a lot of the financing for al-Qaeda 436 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,627 came from wealthy Saudi individuals. 437 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:37,337 [indistinct chatter] 438 00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:40,132 [Rundell] You gotta remember that the 3,000 dead Americans 439 00:21:40,173 --> 00:21:41,675 were not the result of anything 440 00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:43,719 that the Saudi government did. 441 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,221 You could argue that by supporting 442 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:48,140 the mujahideen in the first place, 443 00:21:48,181 --> 00:21:51,393 they had encouraged this idea of jihad, 444 00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:53,562 and I think that's-that's fair enough. 445 00:21:53,603 --> 00:21:54,563 So had we. 446 00:21:54,604 --> 00:21:57,107 447 00:21:57,149 --> 00:21:59,735 [Wright] I don't know if Jamal had regrets 448 00:21:59,776 --> 00:22:02,237 about his past life. 449 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:04,781 He did evolve away from things. 450 00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:08,785 Jamal looked at bin Laden with stars in his eyes 451 00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:13,040 when he was young, and then he became disillusioned. 452 00:22:13,081 --> 00:22:17,127 He began to hate what bin Laden had become and... 453 00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:21,298 you know, and what he had done to Saudi society and to Islam. 454 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:24,092 So he became a Saudi defender 455 00:22:24,134 --> 00:22:26,887 and a supporter of the royal family. 456 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:28,221 [phone rings] 457 00:22:28,263 --> 00:22:31,224 tense music 458 00:22:33,393 --> 00:22:36,229 [bin Laden] speaking Arabic 459 00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:48,033 [Anas] speaking Arabic 460 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:15,811 [Salem] Jamal was a loyal Saudi. 461 00:23:15,852 --> 00:23:19,981 And I think how he defined that loyalty over time 462 00:23:20,023 --> 00:23:22,442 clearly evolved and changed, 463 00:23:22,484 --> 00:23:24,277 as did the kingdom itself. 464 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:29,116 He may have seen it as the least bad option. 465 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,411 I met Jamal when I was working 466 00:23:32,452 --> 00:23:34,246 at the Middle East Institute. 467 00:23:34,287 --> 00:23:36,373 He was like a big teddy bear. 468 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,166 There was just a genuineness. 469 00:23:38,208 --> 00:23:41,920 Always a smile, even in the worst of times. 470 00:23:41,962 --> 00:23:45,090 He, in many ways, was like a big brother to me. 471 00:23:45,132 --> 00:23:47,050 That was our relationship. 472 00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:48,385 [all] speaking Arabic 473 00:23:48,427 --> 00:23:51,638 [Salem] At the time, he worked for the al-Faisals, 474 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,558 who were seen as sort of the intelligentsia 475 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:56,810 of the royal family. 476 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,855 [Brennan] The Saudis were rather reluctant partners 477 00:23:59,896 --> 00:24:01,231 after 9/11, 478 00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:03,692 but Turki al-Faisal was well-known 479 00:24:03,733 --> 00:24:05,527 for believing strongly in the importance 480 00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:07,362 of a U.S.-Saudi relationship. 481 00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:11,158 He was my counterpart in Saudi Arabia in the '90s. 482 00:24:11,199 --> 00:24:12,909 King Fahd was ill and infirm 483 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:15,454 and not in day-to-day charge of the government, 484 00:24:15,495 --> 00:24:17,831 and so Turki was determined to make sure 485 00:24:17,873 --> 00:24:20,375 that that relationship between Riyadh and Washington 486 00:24:20,417 --> 00:24:23,128 was going to not just remain strong 487 00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:24,880 but in fact be strengthened. 488 00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:28,508 [applause] 489 00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:32,220 There are those who would have you believe 490 00:24:32,262 --> 00:24:35,098 that the current wave of terrorism 491 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:38,768 springs from and is or has been 492 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:41,480 supported by Saudi Arabia. 493 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:44,483 That is absolutely not true. 494 00:24:44,524 --> 00:24:46,318 [Brennan] After 9/11, Prince Turki 495 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,612 became Saudi ambassador to London. 496 00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:51,031 Jamal was somebody who had a good reputation 497 00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:53,825 in the international media, and I think Turki thought 498 00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:57,287 that Jamal's voice would be a useful one 499 00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:58,747 in trying to battle 500 00:24:58,788 --> 00:25:02,834 this very broad misimpression 501 00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:04,711 of Saudi Arabia as a whole. 502 00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:08,131 [train whistle blows] 503 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:11,176 gentle music 504 00:25:11,218 --> 00:25:14,137 505 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:17,641 [Wright] I went to London and I met with Turki, 506 00:25:17,682 --> 00:25:20,936 and I spent a lot of time with Jamal there. 507 00:25:20,977 --> 00:25:24,356 He seemed to be enjoying London. 508 00:25:24,397 --> 00:25:28,568 When you are the spokesperson for a senior prince, 509 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:30,695 you're untouchable. 510 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,990 Jamal was useful to Turki 511 00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:38,119 because he had credibility among reporters, like me. 512 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,623 [Obaid] Jamal and I worked very closely, 513 00:25:41,665 --> 00:25:44,668 first in London and then in D.C. 514 00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:46,628 He was older than me, 515 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:48,088 and so the joke within the embassy 516 00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:49,256 and within our friends 517 00:25:49,297 --> 00:25:51,716 was that I would call him Uncle J. 518 00:25:51,758 --> 00:25:54,177 We became quite close. 519 00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:55,929 Mornings would start at 7:30. 520 00:25:55,971 --> 00:25:58,306 We'd be the first one at the embassy. 521 00:25:58,348 --> 00:26:01,476 After work, we would usually go have teas. 522 00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:05,063 And in a way, work never ended at the embassy. 523 00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:06,856 He was always the nice guy and I was the bad guy. 524 00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:09,734 I was always giving a hard time to the press, 525 00:26:09,776 --> 00:26:12,571 and it was crisis after crisis after crisis. 526 00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:14,823 On the contrary, the Saudis actually have done 527 00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:16,449 a lot behind the scenes, 528 00:26:16,491 --> 00:26:17,492 but more importantly, 529 00:26:17,534 --> 00:26:19,536 you talked about the American media. 530 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:21,162 They've been the-they've been the people 531 00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:22,372 that have been raising the issue. 532 00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:24,624 The U.S. administration, the Bush administration 533 00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:26,209 has not at all. 534 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:27,460 It was very raw. 535 00:26:27,502 --> 00:26:29,045 America was very upset. 536 00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:32,465 We spent a lot of our time defending the Saudi position 537 00:26:32,507 --> 00:26:34,676 vis-à-vis the attacks of 9/11. 538 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,261 The U.S. cannot go accusing people 539 00:26:36,303 --> 00:26:39,514 of financing, uh, terrorism by merely-- 540 00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:44,311 [indistinct] by merely unfounded intelligence reports. 541 00:26:44,352 --> 00:26:46,896 [Obaid] You had a Bush administration 542 00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:50,400 that was still very close to Saudi Arabia. 543 00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:51,526 Somebody asked me the other day, 544 00:26:51,568 --> 00:26:53,320 was I pleased with the actions of Saudi Arabia? 545 00:26:53,361 --> 00:26:54,404 I am. 546 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:55,697 [Obaid] And that was important, 547 00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:58,450 because without that, the U.S.-Saudi relationship 548 00:26:58,491 --> 00:26:59,576 could not have continued. 549 00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:04,289 550 00:27:09,044 --> 00:27:11,379 It's up to us to bankrupt the terrorists 551 00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:14,174 and those who finance them so they will never again 552 00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:17,260 have the resources to commit such atrocities 553 00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:18,428 against the American people 554 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:21,139 as we experienced on September 11th. 555 00:27:21,181 --> 00:27:22,849 [Maloney] The 9/11 families believe, 556 00:27:22,891 --> 00:27:25,060 and we've alleged formally in a complaint 557 00:27:25,101 --> 00:27:26,227 filed in federal court, 558 00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:28,480 that members of the Saudi government 559 00:27:28,521 --> 00:27:30,065 conspired with al-Qaeda 560 00:27:30,106 --> 00:27:32,317 for more than a decade in funding them, 561 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,986 financing them, providing logistical support, 562 00:27:35,028 --> 00:27:38,657 and other means and methods to keep them going. 563 00:27:38,698 --> 00:27:40,617 What we hear from American officials, 564 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,118 they are happy with the cooperation. 565 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,620 They are happy with the information 566 00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:44,663 they are getting from the Saudis. 567 00:27:44,704 --> 00:27:46,247 They are getting plenty of information 568 00:27:46,289 --> 00:27:48,833 about the case of the 15 hijackers. 569 00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:51,753 [Clarke] How did money move to bin Laden? 570 00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:53,963 Did it move through Saudi banks? 571 00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:56,091 Were there wealthy Saudi individuals 572 00:27:56,132 --> 00:27:57,217 who were funding him? 573 00:27:57,258 --> 00:27:58,927 There was a lot of cooperation 574 00:27:58,968 --> 00:28:01,179 that we wanted out of the Saudi government 575 00:28:01,221 --> 00:28:02,931 that we did not get. 576 00:28:02,972 --> 00:28:06,142 [Maloney] Our own government withheld a lot of material 577 00:28:06,184 --> 00:28:10,021 to prevent us from embarrassing the Saudis. 578 00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:13,775 There's obviously a lot of political influence 579 00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:16,528 the Saudis still enjoy in Washington, D.C., 580 00:28:16,569 --> 00:28:18,780 and they made their best efforts 581 00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:21,574 to prevent this lawsuit from ever seeing the light of day. 582 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:23,993 583 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:26,121 [Soufan] I don't call Saudi Arabia an ally. 584 00:28:26,162 --> 00:28:28,707 I never called Saudi Arabia an ally. 585 00:28:28,748 --> 00:28:32,252 They always look to cover up what they don't want 586 00:28:32,293 --> 00:28:34,254 the outside world to know 587 00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,381 about events and activities 588 00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,550 and networks inside the kingdom. 589 00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:41,177 590 00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:43,388 [Clarke] You have to remember, this was a government 591 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:47,058 that was very sympathetic to the Saudi royal family. 592 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:51,271 And the Bush family had ties going back for decades. 593 00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:53,857 I think the Bush administration's 594 00:28:53,898 --> 00:28:57,235 number one goal after 9/11 was Iraq. 595 00:28:57,277 --> 00:29:00,029 They sat down the first week after 9/11 596 00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:02,574 and said, "Shall we go into Afghanistan first? 597 00:29:02,615 --> 00:29:05,744 Or shall we go into Iraq first?" 598 00:29:05,785 --> 00:29:07,579 I felt like a man from Mars, 599 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:12,375 and I said to them, "Invading Iraq after 9/11 600 00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:14,544 would be like if Franklin Roosevelt, 601 00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:17,172 after Pearl Harbor, had said, 602 00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:19,257 'Let's invade Mexico.'" 603 00:29:19,299 --> 00:29:22,802 I didn't understand how these very rational senior people 604 00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:24,679 had lost their mind, 605 00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:26,598 and I don't think the Bush administration 606 00:29:26,639 --> 00:29:30,059 could have fought the Iraq War without Saudi support. 607 00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:32,520 [indistinct chatter] 608 00:29:32,562 --> 00:29:34,022 [Bishara] I think Saudi Arabia 609 00:29:34,063 --> 00:29:36,649 became even more indispensable 610 00:29:36,691 --> 00:29:38,985 for the United States. 611 00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:41,112 Jamal Khashoggi and Turki al-Faisal, 612 00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:45,825 they were champions of Saudi-American relations. 613 00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:48,828 Never defended it. Never justified it. 614 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:50,955 They were champions of it. 615 00:29:50,997 --> 00:29:53,458 [Wright] Jamal was the only Arab I met 616 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,669 who was a supporter of the war. 617 00:29:56,711 --> 00:30:00,340 By the time the U.S. invaded Iraq, 618 00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:01,549 he struck me as a neocon. 619 00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:03,218 He was all in favor of it. 620 00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:05,470 speaking Arabic 621 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:19,108 [Obaid] He was nationalistic. 622 00:30:19,150 --> 00:30:21,361 He felt very much involved in it, 623 00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:23,988 and so, you know, it's times change, 624 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:28,201 but a lot of people don't know that side of Jamal. 625 00:30:29,118 --> 00:30:31,329 Jamal took it very personally. 626 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,457 Some of the papers, including The New York Times, 627 00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:36,459 insist on calling him a dissident. 628 00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:38,211 Jamal was... 629 00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:39,295 [Bradley] You've arrested reformers 630 00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:40,505 by the hundreds and the thousands. 631 00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,090 No, no, no, reformers, they were never 632 00:30:42,131 --> 00:30:43,258 arrested by the, uh-- 633 00:30:43,299 --> 00:30:45,385 Peaceful demonstrators who went into the street, 634 00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:48,471 there were many hundreds of them arrested in Riyadh-- 635 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,473 The demonstrators... those demonstrators 636 00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:54,060 were ans-they were answering a call of an al-Qaeda activist. 637 00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:56,604 They were answering the call of Sa'ad Al-Faqih. 638 00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:58,523 They were not peaceful demonstrators. 639 00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:00,692 [Bradley] They were holding Korans above their head, 640 00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:02,235 and they were peaceful demonstrators. 641 00:31:02,277 --> 00:31:03,528 - They were unarmed. - But again, 642 00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:05,405 there were no shooting; they were released. 643 00:31:05,446 --> 00:31:06,614 [Bradley] There was shooting. 644 00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:08,741 They shot rubber bullets over their heads. 645 00:31:08,783 --> 00:31:10,827 The-uh, nobody was killed. 646 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,037 Uh, they were all released. 647 00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,707 We don't have this situation where we... 648 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:19,002 where people demonstrate in the streets and chaos. 649 00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:20,837 No, we don't have any-any of that. 650 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,088 Saudi Arabia is very stable. 651 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:25,174 tense music 652 00:31:25,216 --> 00:31:30,221 653 00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:33,600 [Faris as Khashoggi] A country as proud as Saudi Arabia 654 00:31:33,641 --> 00:31:37,020 doesn't take easily to outside advice. 655 00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:39,147 Yet just because 15 Saudis 656 00:31:39,188 --> 00:31:42,734 committed the biggest terrorist atrocity in history, 657 00:31:42,775 --> 00:31:44,944 some Americans are now calling 658 00:31:44,986 --> 00:31:47,405 for the imposition of a foreign culture 659 00:31:47,447 --> 00:31:49,741 on our Muslim society. 660 00:31:49,782 --> 00:31:52,952 That is why we have to fight back. 661 00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:56,581 Last November, Prince Turki al-Faisal 662 00:31:56,623 --> 00:31:58,875 won a legal battle against the families 663 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,210 of September 11th victims. 664 00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:03,046 This was good news. 665 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:05,548 The Bush administration 666 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,635 still considers Saudi Arabia a friend. 667 00:32:10,053 --> 00:32:13,723 But we do not know what the future holds. 668 00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:18,686 [Bishara] Jamal's 30 years in Arab media 669 00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:22,273 reflect Saudi relations with the United States 670 00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:24,651 and Arab public opinion. 671 00:32:24,692 --> 00:32:28,988 He championed the cause for American-Saudi cooperation 672 00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:32,158 against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. 673 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,786 After 9/11, they worked with the United States 674 00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,704 against Saddam Hussein of Iraq 675 00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:39,958 and supported the U.S. war on terror. 676 00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:42,627 At each and every junction 677 00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:45,421 in modern Saudi history 678 00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:48,549 and modern U.S.-Saudi relations, 679 00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:51,427 Jamal was there at that crossroad, 680 00:32:51,469 --> 00:32:55,473 either reporting, explaining, or spinning. 681 00:32:56,265 --> 00:33:00,228 But he was taken by surprise by the Arab Spring. 682 00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:05,650 [crowd] chanting in Arabic 683 00:33:12,365 --> 00:33:16,244 [Bishara] The Arab Spring was indeed a revolution 684 00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:18,788 that shook Saudi Arabia. 685 00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:21,290 It was like an earthquake. 686 00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:24,836 In the past, you could always count on the United States. 687 00:33:24,877 --> 00:33:27,547 But when it came to the Arab Spring, 688 00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:30,299 they could not find help in Washington. 689 00:33:30,341 --> 00:33:31,634 [all] chanting in Arabic 690 00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:33,052 [Bishara] That was unprecedented, 691 00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:36,264 that was unthinkable, and it was so sudden. 692 00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:37,890 [all] chanting in Arabic 693 00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:44,063 [Karman] speaking Arabic 694 00:34:02,331 --> 00:34:03,875 [man] speaking Arabic 695 00:34:03,916 --> 00:34:06,753 [Soltan] It felt like coming home. 696 00:34:06,794 --> 00:34:08,963 Seeing young Arabs 697 00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,007 take to the streets 698 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,885 to realize that dream 699 00:34:13,926 --> 00:34:15,762 for self-determination, 700 00:34:15,803 --> 00:34:18,514 for liberty, freedom, 701 00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:20,933 bread, social justice 702 00:34:20,975 --> 00:34:22,810 was my dream coming true, 703 00:34:22,852 --> 00:34:25,229 and I couldn't not take part in it. 704 00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:54,092 [all] chanting in Arabic 705 00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:57,220 light dramatic music 706 00:34:57,261 --> 00:35:00,181 707 00:35:00,223 --> 00:35:02,058 [Obaid] When the Arab Spring kicked off, 708 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,144 that was kind of our first open disagreement. 709 00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:07,438 He was for what happened in other countries, 710 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,981 and I was against it. 711 00:35:09,023 --> 00:35:10,983 It called it "the so-called Arab Spring," 712 00:35:11,025 --> 00:35:13,694 because what does that mean for other countries 713 00:35:13,736 --> 00:35:16,572 of which Saudi Arabia is an ally and a supporter? 714 00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:20,076 dramatic music 715 00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:21,577 716 00:35:21,619 --> 00:35:23,246 [Brennan] At the time of the Arab Spring, 717 00:35:23,287 --> 00:35:27,792 King Abdullah was viewed as being somewhat skeptical 718 00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,503 of that U.S.-Saudi relationship. 719 00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:33,714 He didn't support everything that the United States did 720 00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:35,466 in the region, and I think there were people 721 00:35:35,508 --> 00:35:37,343 who came in with the Obama administration 722 00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:40,221 who had, oh, I think, a rather jaundiced view, 723 00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:41,222 uh, of Saudi Arabia. 724 00:35:41,264 --> 00:35:43,391 There were problems with the fact 725 00:35:43,432 --> 00:35:44,684 that these governments 726 00:35:44,725 --> 00:35:47,353 kind of couldn't keep a lid on things anymore. 727 00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:50,606 I was in a group of advisors 728 00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:53,067 who were urging President Obama 729 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:57,029 to try to support a transition to democracy. 730 00:35:57,905 --> 00:35:59,574 King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 731 00:35:59,615 --> 00:36:01,909 wanted to talk to Obama, 732 00:36:01,951 --> 00:36:03,786 and I remember in that phone call 733 00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:07,665 King Abdullah was absolutely livid about this, 734 00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,751 and his basic line was, 735 00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,753 everybody in that square 736 00:36:12,795 --> 00:36:15,798 is either a terrorist or an Iranian agent. 737 00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:19,969 Which was just patently not true. 738 00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:22,972 And President Obama called Mubarak and told him, 739 00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:24,265 "Look, I think you need to step down. 740 00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:26,225 I don't think these protests are going to stop." 741 00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:28,311 [all] shouting in Arabic 742 00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:31,480 [Soltan] We were at the presidential palace. 743 00:36:31,522 --> 00:36:34,358 We told the army generals 744 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,236 that after this prayer, 745 00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:41,490 we were going to break through and storm the palace. 746 00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:43,367 We said, "If you open fire on the front line, 747 00:36:43,409 --> 00:36:45,036 there's 50,000 people behind us. 748 00:36:45,077 --> 00:36:46,829 We're getting in regardless." 749 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:49,498 I remember crying my eyes out because I felt like 750 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:50,958 this could be my last prayer, 751 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,836 that if they opened fire, you know, this was worth it. 752 00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:56,756 [crowd shouting] 753 00:36:56,797 --> 00:36:59,258 [Soltan] We hear the announcement on the P.A. 754 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:02,428 [man over P.A. system] speaking Arabic 755 00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:17,568 [crowd cheering wildly] 756 00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:20,988 uplifting music 757 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:24,450 [all] chanting in Arabic 758 00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:29,288 759 00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:46,138 [Soltan] It was the best of Egypt. 760 00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:49,100 And it was the best of the Arab world at that time, 761 00:37:49,141 --> 00:37:51,811 best 18 days of our generation. 762 00:37:51,852 --> 00:37:55,314 - [crowd cheering] - [fireworks popping] 763 00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:58,484 It was... 764 00:37:58,526 --> 00:37:59,986 one hell of a time. 765 00:38:00,027 --> 00:38:01,779 [laughs] 766 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,284 gentle music 767 00:38:06,325 --> 00:38:08,786 768 00:38:08,828 --> 00:38:11,789 [Faris as Khashoggi] Egyptians did not need anyone 769 00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:14,667 to teach them how to be free. 770 00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:17,795 I saw them take to it 771 00:38:17,837 --> 00:38:20,631 like a human instinct. 772 00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:23,551 At the time, I was living a new love story 773 00:38:23,592 --> 00:38:25,428 and a new marriage. 774 00:38:25,469 --> 00:38:30,349 Egypt was also living its love story with freedom. 775 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:34,812 It was the happiest time for both of us. 776 00:38:34,854 --> 00:38:37,148 [Salem] Jamal was a big romantic. 777 00:38:37,189 --> 00:38:39,942 In every sense, a romantic. 778 00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:42,361 You get swept up in it. 779 00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:47,033 Jamal loved strong, intelligent women, 780 00:38:47,074 --> 00:38:50,119 and at the start of the Arab Spring, 781 00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:54,582 he'd married a really wonderful woman, Dr. Alaa. 782 00:38:54,623 --> 00:38:57,460 783 00:38:57,501 --> 00:39:02,256 And there is a certain romance to revolutions, 784 00:39:02,298 --> 00:39:06,385 to the idea that you can throw off 785 00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:08,262 the restrictions 786 00:39:08,304 --> 00:39:11,432 that seemed impossible to shake 787 00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:15,436 and that you could think and discuss ideas 788 00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:18,731 that were forbidden before, 789 00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:23,319 and that...that oxygen, I think, is intoxicating. 790 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:26,489 791 00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:29,367 [Obaid] Jamal was very open about how happy he was 792 00:39:29,408 --> 00:39:31,744 that Mubarak had gone down. 793 00:39:32,578 --> 00:39:34,372 But he made a lot of enemies 794 00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:37,083 because of his writing and his tweets, 795 00:39:37,124 --> 00:39:39,460 and I kept telling Jamal, "Stop. 796 00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:40,544 You know, stop." 797 00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:42,546 We had a lot of arguments about it. 798 00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:44,382 King Abdullah kept getting angry at him, 799 00:39:44,423 --> 00:39:46,634 told him, you know, "What you're writing, 800 00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:48,594 you know, relax." 801 00:39:48,636 --> 00:39:51,555 There was a sense of a lot of worry. 802 00:39:51,597 --> 00:39:55,643 I would say the relationship Saudi Arabia had with America 803 00:39:55,684 --> 00:39:57,269 started being very testy. 804 00:39:57,812 --> 00:39:59,855 The Saudis believed, 805 00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:03,442 uh, that we let Mubarak down, 806 00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:04,902 um, that he had been 807 00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:06,612 a very loyal ally for 30 years, 808 00:40:06,654 --> 00:40:09,615 that he had done what we asked him to do many times, 809 00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:12,451 and that at the first sign of trouble, 810 00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:13,994 uh, we threw him under the bus. 811 00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:17,248 [all] chanting in Arabic 812 00:40:17,289 --> 00:40:20,876 Saudi Arabia was paying people to protest. 813 00:40:20,918 --> 00:40:23,879 [all] chanting in Arabic 814 00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:25,756 [Rhodes] And ultimately, this results 815 00:40:25,798 --> 00:40:27,842 in the Egyptian military overthrowing 816 00:40:27,883 --> 00:40:29,677 a democratically elected government 817 00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:31,512 with the backing of Saudi Arabia. 818 00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:32,763 They funded it. 819 00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:35,516 They drove the media strategy behind it. 820 00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:38,436 [Brennan] Saudi Arabia and others were concerned 821 00:40:38,477 --> 00:40:40,896 that the Arab Spring was going to, 822 00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:42,189 uh, go out of control. 823 00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:43,482 Nobody wanted that. 824 00:40:43,524 --> 00:40:45,484 United States didn't want that. Saudi Arabia didn't want that. 825 00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:47,069 [man] It was reported that Egypt's 826 00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:49,488 first democratically elected president 827 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,907 was no longer allowed to leave the country 828 00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:53,492 and that the army was deploying 829 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:55,953 not just here but on the streets. 830 00:40:55,995 --> 00:40:58,873 dark music 831 00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:01,125 [Rhodes] President Obama, at this point, 832 00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:03,294 is kind of worn down by this, 833 00:41:03,335 --> 00:41:06,338 and we never followed through on a policy 834 00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:08,841 that really prioritized democracy promotion. 835 00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:11,510 Not only was that kind of the death knell 836 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:15,181 of the Arab Spring, but it was also kind of, 837 00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:17,308 to me, like a pretty cynical, 838 00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:19,685 you know, hypocritical thing. 839 00:41:19,727 --> 00:41:20,895 No, it's not cynical. 840 00:41:20,936 --> 00:41:22,229 See, these are naive-- I don't-- 841 00:41:22,271 --> 00:41:23,522 I mean, I hate to tell Mr. Rhodes, 842 00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:25,566 but these are-these are- these are superficial, naive, 843 00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:29,028 and ra-rather fatuous arguments. 844 00:41:29,069 --> 00:41:30,279 Uh, they may sell books. 845 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:31,780 I hope he does sell a lot of books, 846 00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:33,407 but, um... [chuckles] 847 00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:36,285 ...those-those--you know, the role of the Saudis 848 00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:37,453 in global oil markets, 849 00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:39,663 the role of Saudi Arabia in countering, 850 00:41:39,705 --> 00:41:41,499 uh, Islamic terrorism, 851 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:44,335 you know, do you really want a Saudi Arabia 852 00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:47,254 that looks like, um, you know, 853 00:41:47,296 --> 00:41:49,548 what's happening in Beirut or Syria 854 00:41:49,590 --> 00:41:51,467 or Baghdad or Tehran today? 855 00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:52,927 Is that really what you want? 856 00:41:52,968 --> 00:41:55,679 [indistinct chatter] 857 00:41:55,721 --> 00:41:58,849 [Soltan] When the military coup happened, 858 00:41:58,891 --> 00:42:01,143 there were tens of thousands of people 859 00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:03,854 that came out to protest. 860 00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:04,980 [all] chanting in Arabic 861 00:42:05,022 --> 00:42:07,107 [Soltan] The military and security forces 862 00:42:07,149 --> 00:42:09,443 surrounded Rabaa Square. 863 00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:11,445 [all] chanting in Arabic 864 00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:15,115 [Soltan] They were coming in like it was an armed group 865 00:42:15,157 --> 00:42:19,578 that they were coming to basically ambush. 866 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,373 [artillery firing] 867 00:42:22,414 --> 00:42:24,792 [people shouting] 868 00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:27,169 [car alarms blaring] 869 00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:30,214 desolate music 870 00:42:30,256 --> 00:42:35,511 871 00:42:42,810 --> 00:42:44,728 [Soltan] There were people falling, 872 00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:45,771 people by your side. 873 00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:47,398 A bullet could hit you at any time. 874 00:42:47,439 --> 00:42:49,733 [artillery firing] 875 00:42:49,775 --> 00:42:52,778 Shots fired from every direction. 876 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,782 Cars exploding. 877 00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,033 [car alarms blaring] 878 00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,077 And then I get hit. 879 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,412 People start rushing at me, 880 00:43:01,453 --> 00:43:05,541 and they carry me into a makeshift hospital. 881 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:08,627 Everybody there was dying. 882 00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:11,797 [all] speaking Arabic 883 00:43:13,424 --> 00:43:15,342 [Soltan] There was this, like, distinct smell 884 00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:17,303 of gunpowder and blood. 885 00:43:17,344 --> 00:43:19,888 [car alarms blaring] 886 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:21,974 I remember just laying there. 887 00:43:22,016 --> 00:43:23,934 I closed my eyes. 888 00:43:23,976 --> 00:43:28,022 And that moment, I... 889 00:43:28,063 --> 00:43:30,649 I felt so helpless, 890 00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:35,112 so hopeless, I just... 891 00:43:35,154 --> 00:43:37,156 892 00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:40,451 Rabaa was the day that the Arab Spring... 893 00:43:40,492 --> 00:43:42,828 that was the nail in the coffin. 894 00:43:44,997 --> 00:43:46,665 [man] It was almost certainly 895 00:43:46,707 --> 00:43:48,751 the single bloodiest day of events 896 00:43:48,792 --> 00:43:51,211 since the start of the Arab Spring. 897 00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:55,007 Egyptian officials say that 525 people were killed, 898 00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:57,134 though opponents say the true number 899 00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:59,762 could be four times as many. 900 00:43:59,803 --> 00:44:02,806 [somber music] 901 00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:08,062 902 00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:15,319 There was the temptation to support the revolutions. 903 00:44:16,403 --> 00:44:19,823 I believe it is the right thing to do. 904 00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:22,743 But in my writing, I do my best 905 00:44:22,785 --> 00:44:25,537 to just be a journalist 906 00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:28,874 and not become a revolutionary. 907 00:44:31,043 --> 00:44:33,045 [Wright] The Arab Spring was crushed. 908 00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:35,214 It was destroyed. 909 00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:38,300 And what the Arab Spring stood for in large part 910 00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:40,052 was freedom of expression, 911 00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:44,556 and that had a profound influence on Jamal's thinking. 912 00:44:44,598 --> 00:44:47,267 Suddenly he saw that freedom of expression 913 00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:49,978 was the key to reform in the Arab world 914 00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,439 and especially in Saudi Arabia. 915 00:44:52,481 --> 00:44:53,774 [hammers banging] 916 00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:56,944 That's where Al-Arab came from. 917 00:44:56,985 --> 00:45:00,322 Jamal saw the opportunity to create a middle road, 918 00:45:00,364 --> 00:45:01,990 you know, his own channel, 919 00:45:02,032 --> 00:45:03,867 free of government censorship, 920 00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:07,454 but not attacking the royal family all the time, 921 00:45:07,496 --> 00:45:10,416 and he was aided by one particular 922 00:45:10,457 --> 00:45:11,875 royal family member, 923 00:45:11,917 --> 00:45:15,003 Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal. 924 00:45:15,045 --> 00:45:18,173 And at first, it seemed like there might be room 925 00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:21,427 for an independent voice in the kingdom. 926 00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:24,722 speaking Arabic 927 00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:41,280 [Obaid] Jamal always had a very good relationship 928 00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:42,823 with Prince Waleed. 929 00:45:42,865 --> 00:45:46,535 You know, the infamous investor, Mr. Citibank, 930 00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:47,953 that made a lot of money. 931 00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:50,831 So, you know, he's a very well-known individual 932 00:45:50,873 --> 00:45:52,332 on the international scene 933 00:45:52,374 --> 00:45:54,918 and has always been an outspoken member 934 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,545 of the Saudi royal family, 935 00:45:56,587 --> 00:45:58,839 but at the same time, again, very much like Jamal, 936 00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:02,050 always very much within the construct 937 00:46:02,092 --> 00:46:03,677 of the loyalty to the king 938 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,179 and to his country and so forth. 939 00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:07,139 [woman] speaking Arabic 940 00:46:07,181 --> 00:46:10,309 [Salem] Jamal was so hopeful about Al-Arab. 941 00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:13,061 He was trying to hire the best and brightest. 942 00:46:13,103 --> 00:46:17,399 Anyone who worked in Arab media knew of him, 943 00:46:17,441 --> 00:46:19,359 and even if you didn't agree 944 00:46:19,401 --> 00:46:21,236 with his positions over time, 945 00:46:21,278 --> 00:46:23,238 it's hard not to admire Jamal. 946 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,407 Stand by, camera one. Stand by, sound. 947 00:46:25,449 --> 00:46:26,283 Cue. 948 00:46:26,325 --> 00:46:27,451 [Fawaz] Al-Arab news channel 949 00:46:27,493 --> 00:46:29,828 was gonna have the best of everything. 950 00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:32,790 Even the owner, Prince Waleed bin Talal, 951 00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:34,958 even he was aiming to be, 952 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,002 if not number one, number two 953 00:46:37,044 --> 00:46:38,462 as-as-as-as a start. 954 00:46:38,504 --> 00:46:41,131 [Al Shaikhli] Jamal was very confident 955 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:42,883 of the vision of the station 956 00:46:42,925 --> 00:46:46,553 and that he had the backing of the royal family. 957 00:46:46,595 --> 00:46:50,390 We were all ready to launch on the first of February, 2015, 958 00:46:50,432 --> 00:46:52,059 and everybody had that energy. 959 00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,061 You know, when the... when you launch a station, 960 00:46:54,102 --> 00:46:56,772 there's always this... an energy that comes with it. 961 00:46:57,689 --> 00:47:01,318 [Salem] For Jamal, there was so much hope. 962 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,571 Al-Arab was his last great passion project. 963 00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:06,740 [woman] speaking Arabic 964 00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:08,992 In six, five, 965 00:47:09,034 --> 00:47:12,079 four, three, two, one. 966 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,205 Go, [indistinct]. 967 00:47:13,247 --> 00:47:16,291 exciting music 968 00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:17,584 969 00:47:17,626 --> 00:47:21,922 speaking Arabic 970 00:47:21,964 --> 00:47:25,384 [exciting news theme] 971 00:47:25,425 --> 00:47:27,219 [cheers and applause] 972 00:47:27,261 --> 00:47:30,764 [Fawaz] I turned around, and I said, "Jamal, we did it. 973 00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:32,558 You can relax now." 974 00:47:34,518 --> 00:47:36,436 speaking Arabic 975 00:47:36,478 --> 00:47:39,857 I had my show at eleven o'clock at night. 976 00:47:39,898 --> 00:47:42,276 I went back home, thinking, "Okay, 977 00:47:42,317 --> 00:47:44,486 tomorrow we have to get up; tomorrow's the next day. 978 00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:46,780 We have to start again." 979 00:47:47,406 --> 00:47:49,867 [Fawaz] I had my phone ringing. 980 00:47:49,908 --> 00:47:53,161 I look at the phone, I said, "Shit." 981 00:47:53,203 --> 00:47:55,163 [Al Shaikhli] Gentlemen came to the station, 982 00:47:55,205 --> 00:47:57,666 to the master control room, and they said 983 00:47:57,708 --> 00:47:59,918 we need to stop the broadcast. 984 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,380 [Fawaz] They are really asking us to shut down. 985 00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:05,799 We can't have anything on the air. 986 00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:09,219 They ask to broadcast just black. 987 00:48:11,513 --> 00:48:12,973 [high-pitched tone] 988 00:48:13,015 --> 00:48:15,767 And, uh, that was it. 989 00:48:17,769 --> 00:48:19,438 [man] Just three days before the shutdown, 990 00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:21,857 a new king took the throne. 991 00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:24,943 Was that transition the issue? 992 00:48:26,194 --> 00:48:28,822 [inhales deeply, sighs] 993 00:48:28,864 --> 00:48:30,532 Um... 994 00:48:30,574 --> 00:48:33,285 yep. 995 00:48:33,327 --> 00:48:35,746 That-that was it. That was it. 996 00:48:35,787 --> 00:48:37,623 tense music 997 00:48:37,664 --> 00:48:40,626 [people cheering] 998 00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:45,923 999 00:48:50,886 --> 00:48:52,179 [Rundell] King Abdullah dies, 1000 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:56,934 and the new king is Salman, and no one really expects 1001 00:48:56,975 --> 00:49:00,270 there to be any profound change. 1002 00:49:00,312 --> 00:49:02,064 But within the first 60 days, 1003 00:49:02,105 --> 00:49:04,608 things began to change pretty quickly. 1004 00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:06,318 The king, first thing he did was, 1005 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,695 he made his son the defense minister, 1006 00:49:08,737 --> 00:49:11,490 and he began to pretty radically change 1007 00:49:11,531 --> 00:49:13,909 the way the Saudi government was structured. 1008 00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:17,120 [Soufan] King Salman wanted to cut the wings 1009 00:49:17,162 --> 00:49:19,581 of anyone else in the royal family 1010 00:49:19,623 --> 00:49:23,377 and keep everything inside his own immediate family, 1011 00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:25,337 especially his son. 1012 00:49:25,379 --> 00:49:28,840 [Rhodes] Mohammed bin Salman was not even 30 years old. 1013 00:49:28,882 --> 00:49:31,760 He was basically an unknown commodity, 1014 00:49:31,802 --> 00:49:33,303 so there was something fishy 1015 00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:35,222 about the whole thing from the start. 1016 00:49:35,263 --> 00:49:37,140 - [all] chanting in Arabic - [drums beating] 1017 00:49:37,182 --> 00:49:39,142 [Rundell] Many people, myself included, 1018 00:49:39,184 --> 00:49:41,645 recognized that this was potentially 1019 00:49:41,687 --> 00:49:44,731 a very dangerous and difficult transition. 1020 00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:46,316 [drums beating] 1021 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:48,235 I tend to think that Saudi Arabia 1022 00:49:48,276 --> 00:49:50,195 is more stable most of the time 1023 00:49:50,237 --> 00:49:52,030 than most people do, 1024 00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:54,032 but even I certainly recognized 1025 00:49:54,074 --> 00:49:57,327 that this was a real potential problem. 1026 00:49:59,162 --> 00:50:00,998 [Rhodes] You had this sense of foreboding 1027 00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:02,541 of, what's gonna happen here? 1028 00:50:02,582 --> 00:50:04,292 We were concerned. 1029 00:50:04,334 --> 00:50:07,212 - [drums beating] - [crowd cheering] 1030 00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:16,388 uneasy music 1031 00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:19,391 1032 00:50:19,433 --> 00:50:22,019 [Wright] King Salman's first act of censorship 1033 00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:24,229 was shutting down Al-Arab. 1034 00:50:24,271 --> 00:50:26,523 And Jamal, I think, 1035 00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:28,525 was caught short by it. 1036 00:50:28,567 --> 00:50:31,403 And it's notable that the enforcer 1037 00:50:31,445 --> 00:50:34,114 of this first act of censorship 1038 00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:36,742 was a man named Saud al-Qahtani. 1039 00:50:36,783 --> 00:50:39,327 [woman vocalizing] 1040 00:50:39,369 --> 00:50:43,832 1041 00:50:43,874 --> 00:50:45,834 [Obaid] Saud al-Qahtani came into the royal court 1042 00:50:45,876 --> 00:50:47,419 as a media secretary, 1043 00:50:47,461 --> 00:50:50,255 and then his relationship evolved there 1044 00:50:50,297 --> 00:50:52,424 and he basically starting attacking, 1045 00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:55,761 organizing campaigns against columnists, journalists, 1046 00:50:55,802 --> 00:50:57,554 what have you. 1047 00:50:57,596 --> 00:51:00,140 But more will come out on Saud al-Qahtani's role 1048 00:51:00,182 --> 00:51:02,601 in the future, because he ended up being 1049 00:51:02,642 --> 00:51:04,770 quite influential. 1050 00:51:04,811 --> 00:51:06,480 Al-Qahtani would tell the editors 1051 00:51:06,521 --> 00:51:08,982 what they can write and what they cannot write, 1052 00:51:09,024 --> 00:51:10,817 telling them, "Put this on the front page. 1053 00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:12,319 Put this on the front," and Jamal, 1054 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,946 he was very uncomfortable with it. 1055 00:51:14,988 --> 00:51:16,198 I mean, you're a journalist. 1056 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,699 Imagine if every two minutes, someone's sending you 1057 00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:19,534 a message from the White House telling you, you know, 1058 00:51:19,576 --> 00:51:20,911 "Don't write this. Write this. 1059 00:51:20,952 --> 00:51:22,287 Put this on the front. You can't take this"-- 1060 00:51:22,329 --> 00:51:23,789 I mean, this is what was happening. 1061 00:51:25,123 --> 00:51:28,085 [Rhodes] It was 2016, and MBS had really started 1062 00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:30,670 getting his hands onto the press. 1063 00:51:30,712 --> 00:51:33,090 And there was a group in Yemen 1064 00:51:33,131 --> 00:51:36,259 who have always been antagonists of Saudi Arabia. 1065 00:51:36,301 --> 00:51:39,262 And so MBS, as defense minister, 1066 00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:42,349 basically decides to go into Yemen 1067 00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:44,476 and take these-these guys on. 1068 00:51:44,518 --> 00:51:47,771 speaking Arabic 1069 00:51:48,688 --> 00:51:51,525 [jet engine roaring] 1070 00:51:51,566 --> 00:51:53,777 [Rhodes] The Saudi invasion of Yemen 1071 00:51:53,819 --> 00:51:56,404 would never happen without MBS. 1072 00:51:56,446 --> 00:51:59,616 MBS was using the invasion of Yemen 1073 00:51:59,658 --> 00:52:01,827 as a means of consolidating power, 1074 00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:04,746 as a means of getting the armed forces 1075 00:52:04,788 --> 00:52:05,914 really under him. 1076 00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:07,374 [explosion booms] 1077 00:52:07,415 --> 00:52:09,292 [woman] To Yemen now, breaking overnight, 1078 00:52:09,334 --> 00:52:11,545 Yemen erupting, and Saudi Arabia, 1079 00:52:11,586 --> 00:52:13,547 backed by a ten-nation coalition, 1080 00:52:13,588 --> 00:52:15,048 launching air strikes. 1081 00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:16,299 The U.S. is providing 1082 00:52:16,341 --> 00:52:18,176 logistical and intelligence support. 1083 00:52:18,218 --> 00:52:21,680 - [explosion booms] - [person shrieks] 1084 00:52:21,721 --> 00:52:24,015 [Soufan] The war in Yemen was essential 1085 00:52:24,057 --> 00:52:26,810 to the rise of Mohammed bin Salman. 1086 00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:30,313 And they thought that they can go to Yemen 1087 00:52:30,355 --> 00:52:33,441 couple of month, finish the war, 1088 00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:34,693 declare victory, 1089 00:52:34,734 --> 00:52:37,904 and then he will be the person 1090 00:52:37,946 --> 00:52:41,867 who is liked, loved, admired 1091 00:52:41,908 --> 00:52:44,035 in the Sunni Muslim world. 1092 00:52:44,077 --> 00:52:45,787 1093 00:52:45,912 --> 00:52:49,207 [Karman] speaking Arabic 1094 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,680 [men] speaking Arabic 1095 00:53:06,016 --> 00:53:07,726 [explosion booms] 1096 00:53:11,855 --> 00:53:14,858 [child] speaking Arabic 1097 00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:17,903 somber music 1098 00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:23,033 1099 00:53:33,501 --> 00:53:36,838 [Wright] Tens of thousands of people have been killed. 1100 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,465 They've bombed hospitals, 1101 00:53:38,506 --> 00:53:42,177 UN facilities, refugee camps. 1102 00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:46,264 Fifty thousand children have starved to death. 1103 00:53:46,306 --> 00:53:50,518 America has assisted in this genocide. 1104 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,187 Not only have we supplied the weapons, 1105 00:53:52,229 --> 00:53:55,732 we refueled the bombers and the fighter planes. 1106 00:53:55,774 --> 00:53:57,734 We trained them. 1107 00:53:57,776 --> 00:54:00,987 In the Arab world, it's known as 1108 00:54:01,029 --> 00:54:04,282 the Saudi-American War on Yemen. 1109 00:54:04,324 --> 00:54:07,369 dramatic music 1110 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:08,870 1111 00:54:08,912 --> 00:54:10,247 [Rhodes] The war in Yemen 1112 00:54:10,288 --> 00:54:12,624 was a real humanitarian catastrophe. 1113 00:54:13,875 --> 00:54:16,044 There had been other issues that we were aware of. 1114 00:54:16,086 --> 00:54:19,339 Saudi Arabia had detained a number of bloggers 1115 00:54:19,381 --> 00:54:21,007 and journalists. 1116 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:24,302 They'd also had a mass execution of Shia, 1117 00:54:24,344 --> 00:54:27,305 including some prominent Shia clerics. 1118 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:31,268 [Anas] speaking Arabic 1119 00:54:34,646 --> 00:54:37,941 [man] shouting in Arabic 1120 00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:43,029 [person wails] 1121 00:54:43,071 --> 00:54:45,657 [Rhodes] Our last trip was in April of 2016. 1122 00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:47,701 - [indistinct chatter] - [camera shutters clicking] 1123 00:54:47,742 --> 00:54:49,703 Thank you very much, Your Majesty. 1124 00:54:49,744 --> 00:54:52,163 [Rhodes] President Obama started to urge King Salman 1125 00:54:52,205 --> 00:54:54,416 to release some of these bloggers 1126 00:54:54,457 --> 00:54:57,294 and journalists, and with that... 1127 00:54:57,335 --> 00:54:58,712 [man] Mr. President... 1128 00:54:58,753 --> 00:55:00,005 [Rhodes] ...MBS stands up 1129 00:55:00,046 --> 00:55:04,801 and begins to lecture President Obama, saying, 1130 00:55:04,843 --> 00:55:06,678 "You don't understand the Saudi justice system. 1131 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,347 Maybe we can get you a briefing on the Saudi justice system 1132 00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:11,224 and how it works." 1133 00:55:11,266 --> 00:55:14,936 This was a very aggressive presentation, 1134 00:55:14,978 --> 00:55:17,397 and I've-I've never seen anything like this. 1135 00:55:17,439 --> 00:55:18,940 I mean, it's very unusual for anybody 1136 00:55:18,982 --> 00:55:21,401 other than the president's interlocutor to talk at all. 1137 00:55:21,443 --> 00:55:23,111 It's certainly unusual for them to stand up 1138 00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:24,571 and kind of lecture the president of the United States. 1139 00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:27,073 Thank you for your hospitality. 1140 00:55:27,115 --> 00:55:28,241 [applause] 1141 00:55:28,283 --> 00:55:30,160 [Rhodes] Our view was, they're clearly 1142 00:55:30,201 --> 00:55:32,537 waiting for whoever's next. 1143 00:55:34,247 --> 00:55:37,625 [crowd chanting "U.S.A.!"] 1144 00:55:37,667 --> 00:55:41,129 [man] It is my high honor to introduce to you 1145 00:55:41,171 --> 00:55:44,049 the president of the United States of America, 1146 00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:46,801 Donald Trump. 1147 00:55:46,843 --> 00:55:48,303 [crowd cheering] 1148 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:49,387 [message chirps] 1149 00:55:49,429 --> 00:55:53,016 [Trump] I'm with you, the American people. 1150 00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:55,268 [Obaid] So Jamal put out a series of tweets 1151 00:55:55,310 --> 00:55:57,854 being critical of Trump, 1152 00:55:57,896 --> 00:55:59,773 and then we got a warning. 1153 00:55:59,814 --> 00:56:01,691 There was an official statement put out 1154 00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:04,235 by the foreign ministry where they basically said 1155 00:56:04,277 --> 00:56:05,945 that Jamal and I didn't represent 1156 00:56:05,987 --> 00:56:07,572 the Saudi government, pft, 1157 00:56:07,614 --> 00:56:08,907 which is, okay, fine, 1158 00:56:08,948 --> 00:56:11,743 but that, I took as, you know, 1159 00:56:11,785 --> 00:56:12,952 things are different now. 1160 00:56:12,994 --> 00:56:14,913 You know, there's new guys in town. 1161 00:56:14,954 --> 00:56:16,915 Uh, it's time to be quiet. 1162 00:56:16,956 --> 00:56:19,793 dark music 1163 00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:23,463 [Kandil] speaking Arabic 1164 00:56:49,197 --> 00:56:50,448 [Obaid] Saud al-Qahtani called him. 1165 00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:52,867 Told him, "You can't write. You can't speak. 1166 00:56:52,909 --> 00:56:55,036 You can't tweet. You can't do anything." 1167 00:56:55,078 --> 00:56:56,663 And I said, "Let's just stop this. 1168 00:56:56,704 --> 00:56:58,248 There's no point in continuing. 1169 00:56:58,289 --> 00:57:01,751 Clearly, we've become persona non grata." 1170 00:57:01,793 --> 00:57:03,169 Jamal was very upset about it. 1171 00:57:03,211 --> 00:57:05,964 He had a big name. He was like, "What do I do?" 1172 00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:07,215 [woman] What will you do? 1173 00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:10,468 Like, will you be able to go back to Saudi Arabia? 1174 00:57:10,510 --> 00:57:11,845 In principle, I can, 1175 00:57:11,886 --> 00:57:16,933 uh, but when I, uh, see how many of my colleagues ended, 1176 00:57:16,975 --> 00:57:21,062 either, uh, jailed or banned from travel, uh, 1177 00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:23,773 I-I-I... 1178 00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:25,275 uh, I think otherwise. 1179 00:57:25,316 --> 00:57:28,653 dramatic music 1180 00:57:29,195 --> 00:57:32,490 [Kandil] speaking Arabic 1181 00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:42,083 [jet engine roaring] 1182 00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:45,336 [Salem] Jamal messaged me from a new U.S. number. 1183 00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:51,509 He dropped off some bags to hold at my apartment. 1184 00:57:53,386 --> 00:57:55,305 It's hard for me to talk about Jamal 1185 00:57:55,346 --> 00:58:00,351 leaving Saudi Arabia because... 1186 00:58:00,393 --> 00:58:03,980 it pained him 1187 00:58:04,022 --> 00:58:05,857 literally until the end. 1188 00:58:05,899 --> 00:58:07,108 [sniffles] 1189 00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:08,902 1190 00:58:08,943 --> 00:58:11,654 Alaa was so upset with him, 1191 00:58:11,696 --> 00:58:13,823 and she had choices to make 1192 00:58:13,865 --> 00:58:16,326 because she had a travel ban 1193 00:58:16,367 --> 00:58:18,161 placed on her. 1194 00:58:18,203 --> 00:58:20,121 And it was impossible to reconcile 1195 00:58:20,163 --> 00:58:22,832 because there was no way out of this. 1196 00:58:22,874 --> 00:58:25,293 As long as she was married to him, 1197 00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:27,545 there was no other option. 1198 00:58:27,587 --> 00:58:29,547 [jet engines whooshing] 1199 00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:33,426 The thing that I hope that Alaa knows 1200 00:58:33,468 --> 00:58:36,179 is how much he loved her 1201 00:58:36,221 --> 00:58:39,224 and regretted the end of their marriage. 1202 00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:44,020 [Wright] Jamal and I were talking on the phone, 1203 00:58:44,062 --> 00:58:45,730 and he was very lonely. 1204 00:58:45,772 --> 00:58:49,317 You could see that he was-he was... 1205 00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:52,695 he had made a huge sacrifice in his personal life. 1206 00:58:52,737 --> 00:58:55,949 [Khashoggi] Unfortunately, many think the people 1207 00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:57,825 of the Arab world are not ready yet 1208 00:58:57,867 --> 00:59:01,621 for that luxury of choosing their own leader, 1209 00:59:01,663 --> 00:59:03,915 and that's what we are lacking until today. 1210 00:59:03,957 --> 00:59:05,416 [Wright] Can I just jump in, one thing? 1211 00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:08,211 We shouldn't pass too quickly over some of these reforms 1212 00:59:08,253 --> 00:59:11,506 being very important to the future of that country... 1213 00:59:11,548 --> 00:59:13,091 But it was surprising to me 1214 00:59:13,132 --> 00:59:15,593 that we had such different takes 1215 00:59:15,635 --> 00:59:17,428 on Mohammed bin Salman. 1216 00:59:17,470 --> 00:59:19,180 I saw him as a reformer. 1217 00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:21,307 [Bartiromo] Let me introduce the vision 1218 00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:23,518 behind something of a revolution. 1219 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,396 Please welcome to the stage, ladies and gentlemen, 1220 00:59:26,437 --> 00:59:28,189 His Royal Highness 1221 00:59:28,231 --> 00:59:30,483 Prince Mohammed bin Salman. 1222 00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:31,568 [applause] 1223 00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:34,112 [Rhodes] I found it to be utterly bizarre 1224 00:59:34,153 --> 00:59:36,531 that at a time when this guy 1225 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,908 is clearly cracking down on dissent, 1226 00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:41,244 is, you know, involved in this kind of 1227 00:59:41,286 --> 00:59:44,372 rash war in Yemen that is killing people 1228 00:59:44,414 --> 00:59:45,957 and precipitating famine, 1229 00:59:45,999 --> 00:59:48,543 that he's getting great press in the United States. 1230 00:59:48,585 --> 00:59:50,628 [man] Begin with Saudi Aramco, a strong public debut 1231 00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:54,132 after raising a record 25.6 billion in the IPO. 1232 00:59:54,173 --> 00:59:56,009 [Rhodes] But of course, the U.S. business community 1233 00:59:56,050 --> 00:59:58,928 was drooling over, you know, an Aramco public offering 1234 00:59:58,970 --> 01:00:01,472 that could be worth trillions of dollars. 1235 01:00:02,724 --> 01:00:05,852 Mohammed bin Salman was vetted in Washington, 1236 01:00:05,893 --> 01:00:09,355 New York City, Hollywood, 1237 01:00:09,397 --> 01:00:11,065 Silicon Valley. 1238 01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:14,235 Every major aspect 1239 01:00:14,277 --> 01:00:16,529 of American power 1240 01:00:16,571 --> 01:00:19,365 rolled out the red carpet for this guy. 1241 01:00:19,407 --> 01:00:22,869 Mohammed bin Salman is a trillionaire, 1242 01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:25,788 and that's all these people saw. 1243 01:00:25,830 --> 01:00:27,832 Jamal Khashoggi's voice was important, 1244 01:00:27,874 --> 01:00:29,751 because it was one of the only dissenting voices. 1245 01:00:29,792 --> 01:00:31,169 I still see him as a reformer, 1246 01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:34,255 but he is gathering all power within his hand, 1247 01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:36,549 and it would be much better for him 1248 01:00:36,591 --> 01:00:39,302 to allow a breathing space for critic, 1249 01:00:39,344 --> 01:00:42,347 for Saudi intellectuals, Saudi writers, 1250 01:00:42,388 --> 01:00:44,057 Saudi media to debate. 1251 01:00:44,098 --> 01:00:45,767 Uh, we've become very good friends 1252 01:00:45,808 --> 01:00:48,436 over a fairly short period of time, 1253 01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:51,898 and we are bringing back hundreds of billions of dollars 1254 01:00:51,939 --> 01:00:53,191 into the United States... 1255 01:00:53,232 --> 01:00:55,902 [Wright] Trump recognized a kinship. 1256 01:00:55,943 --> 01:00:57,195 They're rich and entitled people. 1257 01:00:57,236 --> 01:00:59,030 They found common ground. 1258 01:00:59,072 --> 01:01:03,242 And the kingdom saw him as a benefactor, 1259 01:01:03,284 --> 01:01:05,328 a kind of stooge they could use. 1260 01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:07,330 ...million dollars, that's peanuts for you. 1261 01:01:07,372 --> 01:01:08,790 [chuckles] 1262 01:01:08,831 --> 01:01:09,874 Thank you, Mr. President. 1263 01:01:09,916 --> 01:01:11,918 [Wright] And so Mohammed bin Salman 1264 01:01:11,959 --> 01:01:13,378 became Trump's man, 1265 01:01:13,419 --> 01:01:16,214 Trump's man in the Middle East. 1266 01:01:17,882 --> 01:01:21,177 [jet engine whooshing] 1267 01:01:27,016 --> 01:01:30,061 [brass horns blaring] 1268 01:01:30,103 --> 01:01:32,146 1269 01:01:32,188 --> 01:01:34,649 [Rhodes] Trump's first trip as president 1270 01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,610 is to Saudi Arabia, which is totally bizarre. 1271 01:01:37,652 --> 01:01:39,070 I mean, uh, every U.S. president 1272 01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:41,197 goes to Canada or Mexico. 1273 01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:43,449 To go to Saudi Arabia on your first trip... 1274 01:01:43,491 --> 01:01:46,160 [chuckles] ...this-this is insane. 1275 01:01:46,202 --> 01:01:51,207 1276 01:01:51,582 --> 01:01:53,960 And when I saw that famous picture 1277 01:01:54,001 --> 01:01:56,754 of Trump and Sisi and King Salman 1278 01:01:56,796 --> 01:01:58,464 with, like, the orb, I mean, it... 1279 01:01:58,506 --> 01:01:59,632 dramatic music 1280 01:01:59,674 --> 01:02:01,551 ...that said it all. 1281 01:02:01,592 --> 01:02:03,970 You know, Egypt's General Sisi 1282 01:02:04,011 --> 01:02:05,596 is a brutal dictator, 1283 01:02:05,638 --> 01:02:07,390 and King Salman killed 1284 01:02:07,432 --> 01:02:09,225 the promise of the Arab Spring. 1285 01:02:09,267 --> 01:02:11,436 So clearly, Trump was for sale. 1286 01:02:11,477 --> 01:02:14,021 I mean, the Saudi ambassadors are going around here 1287 01:02:14,063 --> 01:02:15,523 telling everybody that they've got 1288 01:02:15,565 --> 01:02:17,275 Jared and Ivanka in their pocket. 1289 01:02:17,316 --> 01:02:20,111 - [men] chanting in Arabic - [drums beating] 1290 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,322 [Rhodes] Whatever MBS's wish list was, 1291 01:02:23,364 --> 01:02:25,783 Trump was saying yes to. 1292 01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:30,288 So it was pretty clear that there's 1293 01:02:30,329 --> 01:02:32,206 going to come a point of reckoning. 1294 01:02:32,248 --> 01:02:35,126 tense music 1295 01:02:35,168 --> 01:02:37,795 1296 01:02:38,463 --> 01:02:42,008 [Anas] speaking Arabic 1297 01:02:52,226 --> 01:02:54,312 [woman] The massive purge of princes 1298 01:02:54,353 --> 01:02:56,647 and one of the world's best-known billionaires 1299 01:02:56,689 --> 01:02:59,150 all arrested by a man who would be a king, 1300 01:02:59,192 --> 01:03:01,402 a man emboldened by President Trump. 1301 01:03:01,444 --> 01:03:03,571 [Wright] On November 4, 2017, 1302 01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:07,366 these raids took place all over Saudi Arabia. 1303 01:03:07,408 --> 01:03:10,620 [people yelling] 1304 01:03:12,121 --> 01:03:14,415 Many of the most prominent businessmen, 1305 01:03:14,457 --> 01:03:17,710 intellectuals were rounded up, hundreds of them, 1306 01:03:17,752 --> 01:03:21,339 and put in the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh. 1307 01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:24,634 1308 01:03:24,675 --> 01:03:26,886 And they were held for weeks, 1309 01:03:26,928 --> 01:03:29,931 interrogated, tortured. 1310 01:03:29,972 --> 01:03:31,599 Many of them were hospitalized. 1311 01:03:31,641 --> 01:03:33,643 One guy, his neck was broken. 1312 01:03:33,684 --> 01:03:36,813 His body was covered with electrical burns. 1313 01:03:36,854 --> 01:03:38,189 He was a general. 1314 01:03:38,231 --> 01:03:42,401 They were shaken down by Mohammed bin Salman's man, 1315 01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:44,487 Saud al-Qahtani. 1316 01:03:44,529 --> 01:03:46,072 That was a coup. 1317 01:03:46,113 --> 01:03:49,325 1318 01:03:49,367 --> 01:03:52,328 [Soufan] Saudi Arabia had different factions 1319 01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:53,454 inside the royal family. 1320 01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:56,374 Each one of these factions have connections 1321 01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:59,210 to economic elite, to business elite. 1322 01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:01,754 You have the religious establishment. 1323 01:04:01,796 --> 01:04:03,506 But Mohammed bin Salman decided 1324 01:04:03,548 --> 01:04:05,216 that there's only one faction 1325 01:04:05,258 --> 01:04:07,009 in the house of Saud, and it's him. 1326 01:04:07,051 --> 01:04:12,265 1327 01:04:15,935 --> 01:04:19,355 [Salem] The ripple effect from Al-Waleed 1328 01:04:19,397 --> 01:04:22,233 being arrested was tremendous. 1329 01:04:22,275 --> 01:04:24,902 Stock prices moved. 1330 01:04:24,944 --> 01:04:26,612 It was seismic. 1331 01:04:26,654 --> 01:04:30,157 Prince Al-Waleed is an important investor, 1332 01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:34,120 the most well-known member of the royal family 1333 01:04:34,161 --> 01:04:36,038 outside the kingdom, 1334 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,083 very firmly within the center of power. 1335 01:04:39,834 --> 01:04:43,796 [Wright] Prince Al-Waleed had been Jamal's patron. 1336 01:04:43,838 --> 01:04:48,426 And suddenly, you see on TV that he is powerless. 1337 01:04:49,302 --> 01:04:50,761 This is my Diet Pepsi. 1338 01:04:50,803 --> 01:04:53,055 [Wright] He is praising his kidnapper 1339 01:04:53,097 --> 01:04:54,307 and telling everybody 1340 01:04:54,348 --> 01:04:55,600 that he's been treated very well. 1341 01:04:55,641 --> 01:04:57,018 And all these rumors really upset me. 1342 01:04:57,059 --> 01:04:58,477 - [woman] Okay. - I mean, because now, 1343 01:04:58,519 --> 01:04:59,645 they-they went so far. 1344 01:04:59,687 --> 01:05:00,563 All lies. 1345 01:05:00,605 --> 01:05:01,814 You know, I've been always, uh, 1346 01:05:01,856 --> 01:05:04,150 all the time here, at this hotel, 1347 01:05:04,191 --> 01:05:06,611 and, um, everything has been fine. 1348 01:05:08,154 --> 01:05:10,531 [Wright] When I talked to Jamal last, 1349 01:05:10,573 --> 01:05:12,825 he said he got out just in time. 1350 01:05:12,867 --> 01:05:16,621 He would no doubt have been in the Ritz-Carlton, 1351 01:05:16,662 --> 01:05:20,333 maybe in far worse circumstances. 1352 01:05:20,374 --> 01:05:23,628 1353 01:05:25,713 --> 01:05:28,966 [Kandil] speaking Arabic 1354 01:05:49,445 --> 01:05:52,657 1355 01:05:52,698 --> 01:05:55,534 [El-Atr] Jamal was very sad. 1356 01:05:55,576 --> 01:05:57,578 He lost hope. 1357 01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:59,246 I said, "No, take it easy. 1358 01:05:59,288 --> 01:06:00,122 You're free now. 1359 01:06:00,164 --> 01:06:01,749 You can express your opinion. 1360 01:06:01,791 --> 01:06:03,000 You have a freedom, 1361 01:06:03,042 --> 01:06:04,543 because not to say your opinion 1362 01:06:04,585 --> 01:06:06,837 about what's happening, that will kill you." 1363 01:06:06,879 --> 01:06:09,966 somber music 1364 01:06:10,007 --> 01:06:13,010 I know Jamal for ten years. 1365 01:06:13,052 --> 01:06:16,764 And we become closer and closer. 1366 01:06:16,806 --> 01:06:19,392 I have a habit to wake him up every day 1367 01:06:19,433 --> 01:06:22,019 seven o'clock in the morning because he was lonely. 1368 01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:23,187 He was isolated. 1369 01:06:23,229 --> 01:06:26,357 1370 01:06:26,399 --> 01:06:28,776 This went for a while 1371 01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:32,697 until the middle of 2017, 1372 01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:33,823 he sent to me a message. 1373 01:06:33,864 --> 01:06:35,574 He said, "Hanan, come and stay with me. 1374 01:06:35,616 --> 01:06:37,493 Come, and they won't see you." 1375 01:06:37,535 --> 01:06:41,831 1376 01:06:41,872 --> 01:06:44,166 I was very happy. 1377 01:06:44,208 --> 01:06:45,668 He's the man I wished, 1378 01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:48,254 but I didn't have a courage to express it before 1379 01:06:48,295 --> 01:06:50,423 because he was married. 1380 01:06:50,464 --> 01:06:52,633 First time I managed to come and see him, 1381 01:06:52,675 --> 01:06:56,137 it was to celebrate his birthday in March. 1382 01:06:56,178 --> 01:07:00,433 Well, it was his half-birthday party in March, 1383 01:07:00,474 --> 01:07:02,643 and he was dating 1384 01:07:02,685 --> 01:07:04,645 a really wonderful woman. 1385 01:07:04,687 --> 01:07:08,441 It was always fun to have Jamal happy. 1386 01:07:08,482 --> 01:07:10,609 [El-Atr] When we got married, 1387 01:07:10,651 --> 01:07:13,529 it was the most beautiful day in my life, 1388 01:07:13,571 --> 01:07:15,364 and I will never forget. 1389 01:07:15,406 --> 01:07:17,658 1390 01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:19,702 I think I'm in a dream. 1391 01:07:19,744 --> 01:07:22,163 1392 01:07:22,204 --> 01:07:26,667 But he was very loyal to the Kingdom of Saudi, 1393 01:07:26,709 --> 01:07:31,005 so he was feeling very bad because he lost his hope. 1394 01:07:31,047 --> 01:07:33,340 1395 01:07:33,382 --> 01:07:36,510 He decide he have to express himself. 1396 01:07:41,807 --> 01:07:44,268 [Soltan] Fall of 2017, 1397 01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:47,104 Jamal was in self-imposed exile. 1398 01:07:48,189 --> 01:07:49,106 We met, 1399 01:07:49,148 --> 01:07:50,733 and he gave me the biggest bear hug. 1400 01:07:50,775 --> 01:07:53,736 It was really, really warm, and then he started crying. 1401 01:07:53,778 --> 01:07:56,697 He said, "I left my country. 1402 01:07:56,739 --> 01:08:00,659 I left my family behind for freedom, 1403 01:08:00,701 --> 01:08:02,411 just to be free. 1404 01:08:02,453 --> 01:08:06,665 And no one knows what that feels like more than you." 1405 01:08:06,707 --> 01:08:08,334 1406 01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:09,710 I learned later 1407 01:08:09,752 --> 01:08:11,796 that his first Washington Post article 1408 01:08:11,837 --> 01:08:14,256 was published that hour. 1409 01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:17,259 [Faris as Khashoggi] "Saudi Arabia wasn't always 1410 01:08:17,301 --> 01:08:20,930 this repressive," by Jamal Khashoggi. 1411 01:08:20,971 --> 01:08:22,973 dramatic music 1412 01:08:23,015 --> 01:08:25,559 We spend endless hours on the phone 1413 01:08:25,601 --> 01:08:29,021 trying to understand the wave of arrests. 1414 01:08:29,063 --> 01:08:33,442 Are we going to be the core of the Saudi diaspora? 1415 01:08:33,484 --> 01:08:37,029 Al-Hayat canceled my column. 1416 01:08:37,071 --> 01:08:40,241 The government banned me from Twitter. 1417 01:08:40,282 --> 01:08:42,451 I spent six months silent, 1418 01:08:42,493 --> 01:08:45,955 reflecting on the stark choices before me. 1419 01:08:46,956 --> 01:08:51,544 Years ago, when several friends were arrested, 1420 01:08:51,585 --> 01:08:53,337 I said nothing. 1421 01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:57,508 I have made a different choice now. 1422 01:08:57,550 --> 01:08:59,301 I have left my home, 1423 01:08:59,343 --> 01:09:03,097 my family, and my job, 1424 01:09:03,139 --> 01:09:06,892 and I am raising my voice. 1425 01:09:06,934 --> 01:09:12,189 1426 01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:34,336 [Obaid] He wrote that first piece. 1427 01:09:34,378 --> 01:09:37,131 Next day, his ex-wife calls me, 1428 01:09:37,173 --> 01:09:38,632 says, "Look what he just did." 1429 01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:40,509 Which, I was like, "But, Jamal, we just talked. 1430 01:09:40,551 --> 01:09:42,636 What's going on?" 1431 01:09:42,678 --> 01:09:45,806 Clearly, something had gone very wrong. 1432 01:09:47,057 --> 01:09:48,976 He had kept this very secret. 1433 01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:51,103 That shocked a lot of us, 1434 01:09:51,145 --> 01:09:52,938 and when it came to Saudi Arabia, 1435 01:09:52,980 --> 01:09:56,317 I always believed that his loyalty was strong 1436 01:09:56,358 --> 01:10:00,321 to his country and to his king. 1437 01:10:00,362 --> 01:10:03,240 I felt that I had been betrayed. 1438 01:10:03,282 --> 01:10:05,868 1439 01:10:09,288 --> 01:10:12,249 [Bishara] Jamal expressed his opinion 1440 01:10:12,291 --> 01:10:15,502 from Washington, the seat of power, 1441 01:10:15,544 --> 01:10:18,589 writing in the voice of empire, 1442 01:10:18,631 --> 01:10:20,257 The Washington Post. 1443 01:10:20,299 --> 01:10:23,052 That could not be tolerated. 1444 01:10:23,886 --> 01:10:26,013 [Obaid] He started writing this, saying these things, 1445 01:10:26,055 --> 01:10:28,182 and then all these weird people 1446 01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:29,516 started getting to know him. 1447 01:10:29,558 --> 01:10:33,562 You know, uh, started to, you know, hang around with him, 1448 01:10:33,604 --> 01:10:35,481 tweet things about him. 1449 01:10:35,522 --> 01:10:37,816 It became very bizarre. 1450 01:10:37,858 --> 01:10:40,819 [dark music] 1451 01:10:40,861 --> 01:10:43,280 1452 01:10:43,322 --> 01:10:46,242 [Maloney] Mr. Khashoggi was publishing articles 1453 01:10:46,283 --> 01:10:48,744 that were critical of the Saudi regime, 1454 01:10:48,786 --> 01:10:52,331 and so we called him to request a meeting. 1455 01:10:52,373 --> 01:10:55,084 Jamal Khashoggi knew a lot of information 1456 01:10:55,125 --> 01:10:58,545 about al-Qaeda and Saudi support for al-Qaeda. 1457 01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:00,965 So we wanted to talk to him. 1458 01:11:01,006 --> 01:11:03,175 The meeting with our investigator 1459 01:11:03,217 --> 01:11:05,261 was the morning of October 26th 1460 01:11:05,302 --> 01:11:07,304 in the Virginia area. 1461 01:11:07,346 --> 01:11:10,599 This was a preliminary meeting. 1462 01:11:10,641 --> 01:11:13,185 It became clear that Mr. Khashoggi 1463 01:11:13,227 --> 01:11:15,604 had a lot to say. 1464 01:11:15,646 --> 01:11:18,107 [Wright] The morning that he's going to meet 1465 01:11:18,148 --> 01:11:21,443 with the investigator, he gets a call from his son 1466 01:11:21,485 --> 01:11:24,697 in Saudi Arabia saying that their travel permits 1467 01:11:24,738 --> 01:11:27,157 had been taken away. 1468 01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:28,867 So essentially, the Saudi authorities 1469 01:11:28,909 --> 01:11:32,454 know that he's meeting with this investigator, 1470 01:11:32,496 --> 01:11:36,875 and his children are being held hostage. 1471 01:11:36,917 --> 01:11:38,961 [Maloney] The first thing Mr. Khashoggi indicated 1472 01:11:39,003 --> 01:11:41,130 was the recent news about his son's 1473 01:11:41,171 --> 01:11:44,633 inability to travel, which upset him. 1474 01:11:46,176 --> 01:11:48,012 I used to be a federal prosecutor, 1475 01:11:48,053 --> 01:11:51,640 and we had informants that elected to testify 1476 01:11:51,682 --> 01:11:54,685 against their coconspirators. 1477 01:11:54,727 --> 01:11:57,146 If Jamal Khashoggi had been an insider, 1478 01:11:57,187 --> 01:11:59,148 and he was, and had information 1479 01:11:59,189 --> 01:12:00,691 that could be helpful to us 1480 01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:03,694 and was willing to meet with us and discuss it, 1481 01:12:03,736 --> 01:12:06,780 that is a serious threat to the Saudi government. 1482 01:12:06,822 --> 01:12:10,117 The question is, to what extent 1483 01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:13,203 was the Saudi government and the royal family 1484 01:12:13,245 --> 01:12:15,289 entangled with al-Qaeda? 1485 01:12:15,331 --> 01:12:16,665 Well, they were. 1486 01:12:16,707 --> 01:12:19,084 Going back before al-Qaeda, 1487 01:12:19,126 --> 01:12:21,045 they were funding the mujahideen, 1488 01:12:21,086 --> 01:12:23,380 and King Salman was the principal bundler 1489 01:12:23,422 --> 01:12:26,175 of all these contributions to the mujahideen 1490 01:12:26,216 --> 01:12:28,594 and then later to al-Qaeda. 1491 01:12:28,635 --> 01:12:31,305 - [men chanting] - [drums beating] 1492 01:12:32,056 --> 01:12:33,682 Jamal would have known about that. 1493 01:12:33,724 --> 01:12:35,851 Jamal worked with Prince Turki, 1494 01:12:35,893 --> 01:12:39,021 who had been the head of intelligence, 1495 01:12:39,063 --> 01:12:41,023 and he facilitated these meetings 1496 01:12:41,065 --> 01:12:43,859 with bin Laden in Afghanistan. 1497 01:12:43,901 --> 01:12:47,029 And who knows what bin Laden told him? 1498 01:12:47,071 --> 01:12:49,698 I mean, is there a person in the whole world 1499 01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:51,909 that knows more about this relationship 1500 01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:53,202 than Jamal Khashoggi? 1501 01:12:53,243 --> 01:12:54,244 I don't think so. 1502 01:12:54,286 --> 01:12:56,622 [chuckling] 1503 01:12:56,663 --> 01:12:58,791 [Maloney] The Saudis claimed that they enjoyed immunity 1504 01:12:58,832 --> 01:13:01,043 even if all our allegations were true. 1505 01:13:01,085 --> 01:13:05,089 They hired lobbyists in Washington, 1506 01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:09,426 and Saud al-Qahtani's name appears on some of the forms. 1507 01:13:09,468 --> 01:13:11,804 His official title had something to do 1508 01:13:11,845 --> 01:13:13,764 with media and public relations, 1509 01:13:13,806 --> 01:13:15,140 but the easiest way to describe him 1510 01:13:15,182 --> 01:13:17,142 is-is MBS's henchman. 1511 01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:20,729 Qahtani, on behalf of the crown prince, 1512 01:13:20,771 --> 01:13:22,481 hired the lobbyists 1513 01:13:22,523 --> 01:13:25,442 specifically to kill this lawsuit. 1514 01:13:27,486 --> 01:13:30,197 Jamal Khashoggi agreed to a follow-up meeting. 1515 01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:33,784 He agreed to come to our office here in New York. 1516 01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:38,789 What he would say and what he would be willing to disclose, 1517 01:13:38,831 --> 01:13:41,250 we'll never know. 1518 01:13:41,291 --> 01:13:44,586 tense music 1519 01:13:49,174 --> 01:13:52,136 [brakes squealing] 1520 01:13:55,347 --> 01:13:58,642 [messages chirping] 1521 01:14:08,652 --> 01:14:12,698 [Salem] Saud al-Qahtani unleashed hell on Jamal-- 1522 01:14:12,739 --> 01:14:15,659 the trolls, the bots, whatever they are, 1523 01:14:15,701 --> 01:14:20,622 the turning of friends and former colleagues-- 1524 01:14:20,664 --> 01:14:21,957 all of that. 1525 01:14:21,999 --> 01:14:24,084 He was threatened and intimidated all the time. 1526 01:14:24,126 --> 01:14:26,545 Of course it was orchestrated. 1527 01:14:26,587 --> 01:14:28,964 And Jamal knew that. 1528 01:14:31,049 --> 01:14:34,470 [Soltan] It was November of 2017. 1529 01:14:34,511 --> 01:14:36,430 We were on our way to grab dinner, 1530 01:14:36,472 --> 01:14:39,683 and he says, "Guess what. 1531 01:14:39,725 --> 01:14:42,644 Saud al-Qahtani sent me a DM on Twitter. 1532 01:14:42,686 --> 01:14:44,980 Yeah, he wants to talk." 1533 01:14:45,022 --> 01:14:48,817 And you can hear the fear in his voice. 1534 01:14:48,859 --> 01:14:52,779 He answers the call, puts it on speaker. 1535 01:14:52,821 --> 01:14:54,865 Saud al-Qahtani starts off, 1536 01:14:54,907 --> 01:14:59,369 says, "I am calling on behalf of His Royal Highness 1537 01:14:59,411 --> 01:15:01,330 Mohammed bin Salman. 1538 01:15:01,371 --> 01:15:04,541 He's watching. He follows your work." 1539 01:15:04,583 --> 01:15:06,835 So Jamal, he says, 1540 01:15:06,877 --> 01:15:09,505 "Please send my warmest regards 1541 01:15:09,546 --> 01:15:11,423 to His Royal Highness 1542 01:15:11,465 --> 01:15:13,175 and convey to him 1543 01:15:13,217 --> 01:15:16,553 that when there are positive reforms happening, 1544 01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:20,098 we will most definitely welcome them. 1545 01:15:20,140 --> 01:15:24,853 When there are transgressions, we will be critical." 1546 01:15:25,812 --> 01:15:27,981 This was a moment that I realized 1547 01:15:28,023 --> 01:15:31,485 this is a noble man; this is a courageous man. 1548 01:15:31,527 --> 01:15:33,654 This man was very serious 1549 01:15:33,695 --> 01:15:36,448 about the evolution that he was making. 1550 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:38,742 [birds chirping] 1551 01:15:42,746 --> 01:15:44,706 [El-Atr] If you hear Jamal was faithful 1552 01:15:44,748 --> 01:15:47,876 to the Kingdom of Saudi, this is the truth. 1553 01:15:47,918 --> 01:15:49,878 He used to defend them. 1554 01:15:51,463 --> 01:15:55,551 But he think his duty is to advise, 1555 01:15:55,592 --> 01:15:56,802 to say his opinion 1556 01:15:56,843 --> 01:15:59,429 before things lead to a bad stage. 1557 01:16:00,597 --> 01:16:03,517 [Soltan] Jamal had asked me to be on the lookout, 1558 01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:06,270 kind of play matchmaker. [chuckles] 1559 01:16:06,311 --> 01:16:08,564 And I tried; I tried connecting him to someone. 1560 01:16:08,605 --> 01:16:13,026 1561 01:16:13,068 --> 01:16:14,611 He was very, very lonely. 1562 01:16:14,653 --> 01:16:17,364 He had just gotten a divorce. 1563 01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:20,534 I didn't know about Hanan. 1564 01:16:20,576 --> 01:16:21,827 [El-Atr] After we got married, 1565 01:16:21,868 --> 01:16:25,706 Jamal want to spend as much time together. 1566 01:16:25,747 --> 01:16:28,000 He doesn't want anyone to take him away from me, 1567 01:16:28,041 --> 01:16:30,460 and that's why we don't even like 1568 01:16:30,502 --> 01:16:32,045 to go and spend long time out. 1569 01:16:32,087 --> 01:16:35,299 We want to be just together away from people. 1570 01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:37,593 1571 01:16:37,634 --> 01:16:39,553 [Soltan] If you interview anybody that tells you 1572 01:16:39,595 --> 01:16:42,180 that they know every aspect of Jamal's life, 1573 01:16:42,222 --> 01:16:45,559 they are 100% lying to you. 1574 01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:48,729 Jamal chose what information 1575 01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:51,940 he shared with each person. 1576 01:16:54,192 --> 01:16:56,653 This will be broadcasted in a few days, 1577 01:16:56,695 --> 01:16:58,989 not, uh, right away, right? 1578 01:16:59,031 --> 01:17:00,115 [woman] It'll be, um-- 1579 01:17:00,157 --> 01:17:02,367 It'll go on air, uh, Tuesday night, actually, 1580 01:17:02,409 --> 01:17:06,038 the night that, um, MBS is in Washington. 1581 01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:07,873 - All right. - It will be after... 1582 01:17:07,914 --> 01:17:11,376 after MBS has met, uh, Trump. 1583 01:17:11,418 --> 01:17:13,045 All right. 1584 01:17:13,086 --> 01:17:15,464 [Soltan] He knew what the stakes were, 1585 01:17:15,505 --> 01:17:19,092 and knowing all of those stakes 1586 01:17:19,134 --> 01:17:24,097 and then still deciding to go ahead 1587 01:17:24,139 --> 01:17:26,350 and speak freely 1588 01:17:26,391 --> 01:17:28,060 was very courageous of him. 1589 01:17:28,101 --> 01:17:30,354 [woman] And why did you self-exile? 1590 01:17:30,395 --> 01:17:34,066 I just felt, uh, whatever narrow space I had 1591 01:17:34,107 --> 01:17:36,943 was getting narrower, and I just thought 1592 01:17:36,985 --> 01:17:39,237 it was better for me to leave. 1593 01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:43,617 And, uh, actually, right after I left, uh, 1594 01:17:43,659 --> 01:17:45,243 arrests began to happen. 1595 01:17:45,285 --> 01:17:49,164 Many of my acquaintances, friends, colleagues 1596 01:17:49,206 --> 01:17:52,376 were rounded up, and, uh-uh, 1597 01:17:52,417 --> 01:17:54,836 I-I always regret being away from home, 1598 01:17:54,878 --> 01:17:58,840 but when, uh-uh, I see what happened to them, 1599 01:17:58,882 --> 01:18:02,636 I-I think I did the right choice, uh, 1600 01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:07,015 even though it is very hurtful to be away from home. 1601 01:18:07,057 --> 01:18:09,434 [Soltan] My way of consoling him was, 1602 01:18:09,476 --> 01:18:10,435 "Don't worry. 1603 01:18:10,477 --> 01:18:11,895 There's a lot of people like you. 1604 01:18:11,937 --> 01:18:16,775 There's an entire community of folks in exile. 1605 01:18:16,817 --> 01:18:20,028 And so you'll find comfort in that community." 1606 01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:22,114 uneasy music 1607 01:18:22,155 --> 01:18:24,366 But he didn't find that community 1608 01:18:24,408 --> 01:18:26,743 out here in Washington. 1609 01:18:26,785 --> 01:18:32,040 1610 01:18:42,217 --> 01:18:45,512 [Karman] speaking Arabic 1611 01:19:28,930 --> 01:19:33,018 [Faris as Khashoggi] June 5, 2018, 1612 01:19:33,059 --> 01:19:35,437 in this age of error, 1613 01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,566 an Arab intellectual rushes to praise the prisons, 1614 01:19:39,608 --> 01:19:43,653 to write against the Spring. 1615 01:19:43,695 --> 01:19:46,531 Another burns the last of his history 1616 01:19:46,573 --> 01:19:48,533 and his forbidden books. 1617 01:19:48,575 --> 01:19:51,328 He says, "We are not ready 1618 01:19:51,369 --> 01:19:53,163 for democracy and freedom." 1619 01:19:55,081 --> 01:19:59,503 It anguishes me to speak with other Saudi friends 1620 01:19:59,544 --> 01:20:03,673 in Istanbul who are also in self-exile. 1621 01:20:04,466 --> 01:20:08,053 I expect that I will still wake up every morning 1622 01:20:08,094 --> 01:20:10,680 and ponder the choice I have made 1623 01:20:10,722 --> 01:20:13,683 to speak my mind. 1624 01:20:13,725 --> 01:20:17,145 We are being asked to abandon any hope 1625 01:20:17,187 --> 01:20:20,190 of political freedoms. 1626 01:20:21,274 --> 01:20:25,987 This is a Faustian bargain that I will not make. 1627 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,826 We are the kingdom of silence no longer. 1628 01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:35,288 [somber music] 1629 01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:37,958 1630 01:20:37,999 --> 01:20:41,253 [El-Atr] Jamal in this time, he was in Istanbul. 1631 01:20:41,294 --> 01:20:44,214 Istanbul, it's very open city 1632 01:20:44,256 --> 01:20:46,758 for different Arabic background, 1633 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,760 and there is a lot of activity there. 1634 01:20:48,802 --> 01:20:52,055 He always go, and he have friends there. 1635 01:20:54,432 --> 01:20:57,811 [Soltan] I called him when he was in Istanbul, 1636 01:20:57,853 --> 01:21:00,355 and he said, "By the way, I might be doing 1637 01:21:00,397 --> 01:21:03,441 three weeks in Istanbul, three weeks in D.C." 1638 01:21:03,483 --> 01:21:06,403 So then I was like, "Oh, it looks like you found someone." 1639 01:21:06,444 --> 01:21:08,530 And then he was like, "Yeah, I did. 1640 01:21:08,572 --> 01:21:09,823 I really like her. 1641 01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:11,533 We're gonna get married soon. 1642 01:21:11,575 --> 01:21:13,660 I'll tell you all about it when I get back." 1643 01:21:13,702 --> 01:21:15,996 somber music 1644 01:21:16,037 --> 01:21:19,457 [Salem] I didn't know about Hatice. 1645 01:21:21,418 --> 01:21:23,420 I knew about Hanan. 1646 01:21:24,212 --> 01:21:27,424 But I-I didn't know they had gotten married. 1647 01:21:27,465 --> 01:21:29,301 So I'll say this. 1648 01:21:29,342 --> 01:21:33,597 I think if you understand the loneliness of that man 1649 01:21:33,638 --> 01:21:36,516 in that last year... 1650 01:21:36,558 --> 01:21:41,730 1651 01:21:42,230 --> 01:21:45,233 ...I think things that you can judge 1652 01:21:45,275 --> 01:21:48,445 so easily from outside... 1653 01:21:50,739 --> 01:21:53,241 ...become a bit more nuanced. 1654 01:21:53,283 --> 01:21:58,496 1655 01:22:01,625 --> 01:22:04,085 [El-Atr] Last call between me and Jamal, 1656 01:22:04,127 --> 01:22:07,255 he called to wish me happy birthday. 1657 01:22:07,297 --> 01:22:09,299 My birthday is 30 September, 1658 01:22:09,341 --> 01:22:11,968 which is two days before he disappear. 1659 01:22:13,678 --> 01:22:16,681 [Salem] He messaged from Istanbul. 1660 01:22:16,723 --> 01:22:21,436 He said to me, "What if I just go away to a desert island 1661 01:22:21,478 --> 01:22:25,231 for a couple weeks, couple years?" 1662 01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:28,777 You know, he would-he would come to me and say things like 1663 01:22:28,818 --> 01:22:33,865 he was doubting his resolve, and he knew how I would react. 1664 01:22:33,907 --> 01:22:37,494 You know, a slap to the head. 1665 01:22:37,535 --> 01:22:38,745 "Jamal." 1666 01:22:38,787 --> 01:22:40,538 I remember saying these words, 1667 01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:42,582 'cause they will forever haunt me. 1668 01:22:42,624 --> 01:22:46,461 I said, "You are in a war, 1669 01:22:46,503 --> 01:22:49,172 and you can't give up. 1670 01:22:49,214 --> 01:22:51,633 You can't disappear." 1671 01:22:51,675 --> 01:22:54,594 Those are the last words 1672 01:22:54,636 --> 01:22:56,179 I said to him, 1673 01:22:56,221 --> 01:22:58,598 and I had no idea 1674 01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,226 what I was even talking about. 1675 01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:04,813 1676 01:23:04,854 --> 01:23:08,233 So on the 28th of September, 1677 01:23:08,274 --> 01:23:12,278 uh, Jamal Khashoggi and his fiancée, Hatice, 1678 01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,572 go to the consulate to get 1679 01:23:14,614 --> 01:23:19,119 an administrative piece of paper for their marriage. 1680 01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,162 They tell him to come back 1681 01:23:21,204 --> 01:23:23,623 on the second of October and that on that day, 1682 01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:25,875 they'll have the document that he needs. 1683 01:23:25,917 --> 01:23:28,044 1684 01:23:28,086 --> 01:23:32,257 So the Turkish authorities had somehow bugged 1685 01:23:32,298 --> 01:23:34,217 the Saudi consulate, 1686 01:23:34,259 --> 01:23:38,179 and almost immediately, there are phone calls 1687 01:23:38,221 --> 01:23:41,391 between the consulate in Istanbul 1688 01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:43,560 and, uh, Riyadh. 1689 01:23:43,601 --> 01:23:46,438 And in the first call, 1690 01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,356 it's a security attaché 1691 01:23:48,398 --> 01:23:52,736 who speaks to an intelligence officer, Mutreb. 1692 01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:57,323 Mutreb explained that Mr. Jamal Khashoggi 1693 01:23:57,365 --> 01:24:00,869 is indeed someone that is being "sought" 1694 01:24:00,910 --> 01:24:02,120 and that they should proceed 1695 01:24:02,162 --> 01:24:04,539 with some kind of, uh-of mission. 1696 01:24:04,581 --> 01:24:07,625 suspenseful music 1697 01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:12,922 1698 01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:17,635 This special operation 1699 01:24:17,677 --> 01:24:21,181 involved 15 people. 1700 01:24:21,222 --> 01:24:23,892 Saud al-Qahtani met the team 1701 01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:27,228 before they left for Turkey 1702 01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:30,982 on the Saudi government's private plane. 1703 01:24:31,024 --> 01:24:33,401 1704 01:24:33,443 --> 01:24:37,864 And Mutreb was leading the team, 1705 01:24:37,906 --> 01:24:41,493 and like every other member of the kill team, 1706 01:24:41,534 --> 01:24:45,413 he's a member of the Saudi intelligence. 1707 01:24:45,455 --> 01:24:46,998 Mutreb in particular 1708 01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,209 had accompanied the crown price 1709 01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:51,878 on some of this missions, 1710 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,006 and he was someone who worked closely 1711 01:24:55,048 --> 01:24:57,509 with Saud al-Qahtani. 1712 01:24:57,550 --> 01:25:02,806 1713 01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:06,351 [Obaid] Yes, it was Maher. 1714 01:25:06,392 --> 01:25:10,355 Maher was a, uh... was an intelligence officer 1715 01:25:10,396 --> 01:25:11,898 that worked at the Saudi embassy 1716 01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:13,316 in, uh, London at that time. 1717 01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:15,401 He was there when we were there, 1718 01:25:15,443 --> 01:25:17,987 and, uh, I introduced them at one of our 1719 01:25:18,029 --> 01:25:20,406 afternoon teas together. 1720 01:25:20,448 --> 01:25:22,325 We were colleagues more than anything, 1721 01:25:22,367 --> 01:25:25,829 you know, and from time to time, Maher would join us. 1722 01:25:26,871 --> 01:25:28,373 To be fair, he was a nice guy. 1723 01:25:28,414 --> 01:25:33,670 1724 01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:50,311 [Callamard] Jamal Khashoggi enters the consulate at 1:14. 1725 01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:56,025 He is directed to the office of the consul. 1726 01:25:56,526 --> 01:26:01,739 1727 01:26:03,658 --> 01:26:08,621 He enters and finds many people in that room, 1728 01:26:08,663 --> 01:26:11,416 and so you can hear surprise 1729 01:26:11,457 --> 01:26:13,543 because Mutreb 1730 01:26:13,585 --> 01:26:16,045 and Jamal Khashoggi knew each other. 1731 01:26:16,087 --> 01:26:20,049 So when Jamal entered the consul office 1732 01:26:20,091 --> 01:26:24,220 and saw Mutreb, he did express some surprise, 1733 01:26:24,262 --> 01:26:29,225 but he welcomes Mutreb in fairly warm terms. 1734 01:26:29,267 --> 01:26:32,270 The conversation turns very quickly. 1735 01:26:32,312 --> 01:26:36,149 Mutreb is saying, "Don't make it difficult for us." 1736 01:26:36,191 --> 01:26:38,902 And you can hear the fear 1737 01:26:38,943 --> 01:26:42,155 in the voice of Jamal Khashoggi. 1738 01:26:43,865 --> 01:26:47,160 [Kandil] speaking Arabic 1739 01:27:04,802 --> 01:27:07,847 tense music 1740 01:27:29,285 --> 01:27:34,499 1741 01:27:41,297 --> 01:27:43,841 [Callamard] The doctor himself explained to Mutreb 1742 01:27:43,883 --> 01:27:48,513 that it will be easy to dismember the body. 1743 01:27:48,554 --> 01:27:52,100 Joints will be separated. It should not be a problem. 1744 01:27:52,141 --> 01:27:55,311 [saw whirring, plastic crinkling] 1745 01:27:58,815 --> 01:28:01,818 [whirring slows, stops] 1746 01:28:01,859 --> 01:28:03,194 At 3 p.m., 1747 01:28:03,236 --> 01:28:05,154 CCTV captured people 1748 01:28:05,196 --> 01:28:07,657 leaving the consulate with plastic bags 1749 01:28:07,699 --> 01:28:10,493 with the remain of Mr. Khashoggi. 1750 01:28:10,535 --> 01:28:13,371 The body parts were carried out 1751 01:28:13,413 --> 01:28:16,666 in several bags and handed over 1752 01:28:16,708 --> 01:28:20,003 to other individuals who carried them 1753 01:28:20,044 --> 01:28:21,045 into the car. 1754 01:28:21,087 --> 01:28:25,258 And at 3:50, those same camera 1755 01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:27,302 record a member of the kill team 1756 01:28:27,343 --> 01:28:30,847 leaving the consulate accompanied by someone else. 1757 01:28:30,888 --> 01:28:34,851 This man puts on Jamal Khashoggi's clothes, 1758 01:28:34,892 --> 01:28:36,144 puts a fake beard. 1759 01:28:36,185 --> 01:28:38,521 Could not put on the shoes. 1760 01:28:38,563 --> 01:28:40,315 They didn't fit. 1761 01:28:40,356 --> 01:28:44,694 And it was the shoes that prompted 1762 01:28:44,736 --> 01:28:47,030 the intelligence, uh, services 1763 01:28:47,071 --> 01:28:49,240 when they reviewed all the CCTV 1764 01:28:49,282 --> 01:28:51,367 to say that's not Jamal. 1765 01:28:54,203 --> 01:28:57,665 But this is meant to pretend 1766 01:28:57,707 --> 01:29:01,669 that Khashoggi left the consulate, 1767 01:29:01,711 --> 01:29:03,421 and we do not know 1768 01:29:03,463 --> 01:29:07,467 where Jamal remains are. 1769 01:29:10,553 --> 01:29:14,390 speaking Arabic 1770 01:29:26,861 --> 01:29:29,906 suspenseful music 1771 01:29:29,947 --> 01:29:34,619 1772 01:29:34,660 --> 01:29:38,247 [all] chanting in Arabic 1773 01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:41,542 1774 01:29:47,757 --> 01:29:50,426 [all] chanting in Arabic 1775 01:30:06,692 --> 01:30:08,945 [Brennan] Knowing what I know about Saudi Arabia, 1776 01:30:08,986 --> 01:30:11,614 there is no way that that horrific act 1777 01:30:11,656 --> 01:30:14,742 was carried out without the blessing 1778 01:30:14,784 --> 01:30:18,287 and direction from the very top of the Saudi government. 1779 01:30:18,329 --> 01:30:19,455 There's just no way. 1780 01:30:19,497 --> 01:30:21,040 [man] Senators from both sides of the aisle 1781 01:30:21,082 --> 01:30:24,043 are receiving the CIA briefing they have been demanding. 1782 01:30:24,085 --> 01:30:27,380 There's not a smoking gun. There's a smoking saw. 1783 01:30:27,422 --> 01:30:29,215 You have to be willfully blind 1784 01:30:29,257 --> 01:30:30,925 not to come to the conclusion 1785 01:30:30,967 --> 01:30:33,428 that this was orchestrated and organized 1786 01:30:33,469 --> 01:30:37,849 by people in-under the command of MBS. 1787 01:30:37,890 --> 01:30:39,350 [woman] Mr. President, why are you siding 1788 01:30:39,392 --> 01:30:42,145 with the Saudis over your own intelligence community? 1789 01:30:42,186 --> 01:30:44,063 Because it's America first to me. 1790 01:30:44,105 --> 01:30:45,648 It's all about America first. 1791 01:30:45,690 --> 01:30:48,526 We're not gonna give up hundreds of billions of dollars 1792 01:30:48,568 --> 01:30:51,070 in orders and let Russia, China, 1793 01:30:51,112 --> 01:30:52,447 and everybody else have them. 1794 01:30:52,488 --> 01:30:54,490 It's all about, for me, very simple, 1795 01:30:54,532 --> 01:30:55,616 it's America first. 1796 01:30:55,658 --> 01:30:59,662 1797 01:31:01,247 --> 01:31:03,374 [Rhodes] Saudi Arabia can't exist 1798 01:31:03,416 --> 01:31:04,959 without the United States. 1799 01:31:05,001 --> 01:31:08,629 Their security guarantor for decades 1800 01:31:08,671 --> 01:31:11,132 has been the United States. 1801 01:31:11,883 --> 01:31:14,010 The U.S. was in some way responsible 1802 01:31:14,051 --> 01:31:15,553 for this man's death, 1803 01:31:15,595 --> 01:31:17,138 because the sense of impunity 1804 01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:18,973 we give Mohammed bin Salman 1805 01:31:19,015 --> 01:31:21,100 with this red carpet treatment that he got 1806 01:31:21,142 --> 01:31:22,351 and the embrace from Trump 1807 01:31:22,393 --> 01:31:23,936 and nobody really pushing back, 1808 01:31:23,978 --> 01:31:26,355 I think he thought he could get away with anything, 1809 01:31:26,397 --> 01:31:27,857 and he was right. 1810 01:31:27,899 --> 01:31:30,193 And it's just disgusting to see him 1811 01:31:30,234 --> 01:31:33,237 kind of grinning and shaking hands with this guy 1812 01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:35,990 who just chopped up another human being. 1813 01:31:36,032 --> 01:31:40,912 1814 01:31:40,953 --> 01:31:44,373 [camera shutters clicking] 1815 01:31:58,012 --> 01:32:00,097 [Bass] Good afternoon, everyone. 1816 01:32:00,139 --> 01:32:01,557 This hearing for the Subcommittee 1817 01:32:01,599 --> 01:32:03,976 on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights, 1818 01:32:04,018 --> 01:32:07,104 and International Organizations will come to order. 1819 01:32:07,146 --> 01:32:08,648 I note that a quorum is present. 1820 01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:09,857 [gavel bangs] 1821 01:32:09,899 --> 01:32:12,527 [Rundell] We have both political and economic reasons 1822 01:32:12,568 --> 01:32:15,196 to maintain a relationship with Saudi Arabia. 1823 01:32:15,238 --> 01:32:17,573 Saudi Arabia is a strategic ally, 1824 01:32:17,615 --> 01:32:21,160 and I do think that outweighs the death of one person. 1825 01:32:21,202 --> 01:32:22,787 Yes, it does. 1826 01:32:22,828 --> 01:32:24,914 So there's a paid political commercial 1827 01:32:24,956 --> 01:32:27,583 for Mohammed bin Salman, but, uh, you know, 1828 01:32:27,625 --> 01:32:30,127 I-I believe that, so any event, there you go. 1829 01:32:30,169 --> 01:32:32,129 I thought that needed to be said. 1830 01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,216 [Bass] Ms. Cengiz. 1831 01:32:37,843 --> 01:32:40,096 [Hatice sighs] 1832 01:32:40,555 --> 01:32:43,766 speaking Arabic 1833 01:33:09,834 --> 01:33:13,170 somber music 1834 01:33:13,212 --> 01:33:16,007 [sobbing] 1835 01:33:16,048 --> 01:33:19,051 Oh, Jamal. 1836 01:33:19,969 --> 01:33:23,222 [indistinct chatter] 1837 01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:28,644 [Kandil] speaking Arabic 1838 01:33:43,451 --> 01:33:47,163 1839 01:33:47,204 --> 01:33:51,459 [Salem] The best justice for him is a young person 1840 01:33:51,500 --> 01:33:53,377 reading his writing, 1841 01:33:53,419 --> 01:33:55,171 knowing about him... 1842 01:33:55,212 --> 01:33:57,798 1843 01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,886 ...being sure that those that want him to be forgotten, 1844 01:34:01,927 --> 01:34:04,013 that they will not win. 1845 01:34:04,055 --> 01:34:09,310 1846 01:34:11,228 --> 01:34:15,691 Well, you know, Jamal was a friend and, uh... 1847 01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:19,987 ...America and the kingdom 1848 01:34:20,029 --> 01:34:23,074 have a toxic relationship, 1849 01:34:23,115 --> 01:34:26,035 and it poisons not only our own societies, 1850 01:34:26,077 --> 01:34:28,913 but it's spread all over the world. 1851 01:34:28,954 --> 01:34:31,040 The chaos, the wars-- 1852 01:34:31,082 --> 01:34:33,542 America's had a big hand in that. 1853 01:34:33,584 --> 01:34:35,586 And Jamal's been in the middle of that 1854 01:34:35,628 --> 01:34:37,630 from his earliest days. 1855 01:34:37,672 --> 01:34:41,884 He embodied, in some ways, that relationship. 1856 01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:44,136 But this contradiction 1857 01:34:44,178 --> 01:34:48,891 became so nakedly obvious, you had to choose. 1858 01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:51,894 Which side are you on? 1859 01:34:51,936 --> 01:34:55,231 dramatic music 1860 01:34:55,272 --> 01:34:57,024 1861 01:34:57,066 --> 01:34:59,485 [Faris as Khashoggi] The revolution is over. 1862 01:34:59,527 --> 01:35:01,904 Its most important values-- 1863 01:35:01,946 --> 01:35:05,658 freedom, dignity, and the right to life-- 1864 01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:08,577 have fallen by the wayside. 1865 01:35:08,619 --> 01:35:11,706 The majority is unmoved by the sight of the dead 1866 01:35:11,747 --> 01:35:14,542 when they belong to the other side. 1867 01:35:16,669 --> 01:35:18,838 Divisions have even emerged 1868 01:35:18,879 --> 01:35:22,800 between the detained, the refugee, the cynic, 1869 01:35:22,842 --> 01:35:26,887 and the dead that were never celebrated as martyrs. 1870 01:35:28,180 --> 01:35:31,267 I can imagine a young man returning home, 1871 01:35:31,308 --> 01:35:33,436 exhausted and bloodied. 1872 01:35:33,477 --> 01:35:36,939 He weeps for his dead brethren. 1873 01:35:37,898 --> 01:35:41,569 Before going to bed after Thursday's dawn prayers, 1874 01:35:41,610 --> 01:35:44,572 the young man murmurs to himself, 1875 01:35:44,613 --> 01:35:47,825 "The revolution is not over yet." 1876 01:35:47,867 --> 01:35:51,245 The will of the people is still the law. 1877 01:35:51,287 --> 01:35:54,123 A new generation must take the lead 1878 01:35:54,165 --> 01:35:57,501 and look to the future, not the past. 1879 01:35:59,336 --> 01:36:02,882 One of the most beautiful things I have ever heard 1880 01:36:02,923 --> 01:36:06,260 is the call of the Prophet. 1881 01:36:06,302 --> 01:36:10,765 In the beginning, it is a call to freedom. 1882 01:36:10,806 --> 01:36:15,227 That dream of freedom is alive in us, 1883 01:36:15,269 --> 01:36:17,229 ready to emerge again 1884 01:36:17,271 --> 01:36:20,441 with the first sounds of emancipation. 1885 01:36:20,483 --> 01:36:23,652 [somber, stirring music] 1886 01:36:23,694 --> 01:36:28,866 171505

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