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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,960 There is some evidence to suggest that Hayley...was strangled. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,960 DCI Stuart, Hayley was a friend of mine. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,960 I was supposed to be doing a cleaning job, 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,960 Hayley did the job for me. 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:11,960 It was in a holiday rental. 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,960 I'd forgotten that's who we let it to. 7 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,640 He does that quiz show on the BBC. James Hollis. 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,960 Just give me ten minutes, I'm not feeling 100%. 9 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,000 Dad, this is not about the past. 10 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Or, at least, not the past you're talking about. 11 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,000 I love you. I love you, too. 12 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,960 Tim, it's your word against hers. 13 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960 I pretended to go out. I just heard him go for her. 14 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,960 I don't believe I ever lost my temper. 15 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,960 I'd appreciate having somebody here. 16 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,960 They took money I had for a deposit on a flat. 17 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,960 I do think you should consider opening a bank account. 18 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,960 No. No. No. No. No bank accounts. 19 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,960 I would feel very lucky to be able to help you grow stronger. 20 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,960 There'll be money in the joint account tomorrow. 21 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA. We want to cancel it. 22 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,960 I can't see any paperwork here. 23 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,960 Mr Hollis, we wondered if you had five minutes, please, 24 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,960 to help us with a case we're investigating. 25 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,160 I will need my lawyer present. 26 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,960 Els, it's Dad again. 27 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,960 They've come about her. 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,960 Oh, shit! 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,960 Oh, you... 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,960 Dad! 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,960 Dad! Yeah? 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,640 Morning. 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,960 Blimey! Are you all right? You left a pan on. 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Me? No. 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Yeah, I walked in and it was burning. 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,960 Is that your porridge? 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,960 This was off when I left. 38 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,960 Right. Well, I've, like, literally just walked in. 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,320 So... 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,960 Well, it's still under warranty. I'll get in touch with the company. 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,480 I'm sorry. If I knew anything, I'd tell you, Mr Hollis. 42 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:39,960 You know I would. I do. But if you do hear anything, 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,000 tell him I need to speak to him. 44 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,960 Tell him it's really urgent. 45 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,960 And, so, in the end, 46 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,960 the case really came down to one person's word against another's. 47 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,960 And in this instance, 48 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,960 we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's many years' exemplary practice 49 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,960 and his reputation as a hard-working, generous 50 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,960 and trustworthy GP. 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,960 And as such, we find we do not uphold the complaint. 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,960 I heard him. He might sit there now looking like butter wouldn't melt, 53 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,800 but he's got another side to him. 54 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,960 Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate. 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,960 You should, cos you're a disgrace! 56 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,800 Guv... 57 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:48,960 Yeah? He is here... 58 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,000 'Peter, its Mark Harper. 59 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,960 'Kate and I can find no record of any paperwork 60 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,960 'relating to an ISA in the name of Salthouse 61 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,480 'and I need to know today how a three-grand cheque from him 62 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,960 'has been cashed. 63 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,960 'So you really need to call me.' 64 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:21,960 There. 65 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,320 OK, er... 66 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,960 ..I'm going to change all of your settings 67 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,960 so that only your friends can comment. 68 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,960 What does it make them feel when they say those things? 69 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,960 I doubt very much they feel anything at all, Mum. 70 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:09,960 Cos they're messed up. 71 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,960 And that, that isn't about Dad or about you or Hayley. 72 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:16,960 It's about them. 73 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,160 It's just a mirror people hold up to themselves to shout at. 74 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,960 I wanted, if I may, erm, to ask you about a house you rented 75 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,960 in Middenham, in December 1999, 76 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,960 which I believe... 77 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:38,960 ..was an eight-bedroom house. 78 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,320 Yes, I can't remember specifically but, yes, it was big. 79 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,960 There were a bunch of us. Three other families? 80 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,960 Yes, although, for the first few days, 81 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 there were only me and three mates. 82 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,960 Erm, our wives and kids joined us on New Year's Eve. 83 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,800 Right. 84 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,960 It was primarily a golfing break. 85 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Oh, OK. 86 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,960 Erm, and what were their names, please, the men? 87 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Tim Finch. 88 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Chris Lowe. 89 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:09,960 Pete Carr. 90 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,960 And are they all still around? Yep. 91 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,960 Still friends? 92 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,960 Yes, we were at school together, so it's a long connection. 93 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,000 And the families, erm, can you give me details of those people? 94 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Tim was there with his first wife Derran 95 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,960 and their, er...two little girls. 96 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,960 Pete was single at that time, so on his own. 97 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,960 And Chris Lowe was with his first wife Laura and their little girl. 98 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,160 And your wife? 99 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,960 Yes, my wife Mel and our little boy Eliot. 100 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,960 Are you two still together? No. 101 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,960 I remarried a few years ago. 102 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:50,960 Oh. 103 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,960 So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid. 104 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Do you recognise her? 105 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,960 Yes. 106 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,960 And is that just from the papers? Sorry, where is this heading? 107 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,960 We're just trying to corroborate evidence from another witness, 108 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,960 who thinks Hayley might have cleaned the house you rented. 109 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,960 I have no recollection of that. You never saw her there? 110 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:25,960 No. 111 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,320 I mean, we were out most days, 112 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,480 but, hey, this story was huge and her photo was all over the TV. 113 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,960 So, if she had cleaned our house and any of us had have seen her, 114 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,640 then I think someone would have mentioned something. Absolutely. 115 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,960 When did you return to London, Mr Hollis? 116 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,160 Erm, when the rental ended, which would be... 117 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,320 ..perhaps, er, around the second or third. 118 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,960 And you drove back up with your wife and child? Yes. 119 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,160 How did they got down there on the 31st? 120 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,960 Train. I picked them up from a nearby station. 121 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,960 OK. And this is the last question. 122 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,960 Erm...what did you all get up to on the Millennium evening? 123 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Erm... Well, as I remember, we, er... 124 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,320 ..we had a meal in the house, all together. 125 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Then, I think the, erm... 126 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,960 ..the children stayed up a bit, till about nine or ten. 127 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,960 I think the adults watched a movie 128 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,960 and then all went to bed after Big Ben. 129 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Is that all of you? As I recall, yes. 130 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,960 And then no-one went out again for the rest of the night? 131 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,000 No. 132 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,480 OK. 133 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,960 That's it. 134 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,000 Thank you. Thank you very much for your time. 135 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,320 Sorry... 136 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,960 You said you guys met at school. Yes. 137 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,000 Where was that, the school you went to? Finchley. 138 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,800 Right. And you all, erm... 139 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,960 ..lived round that area? Within a couple of miles, yes. 140 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,960 OK, thanks again. 141 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Well, I think we want to know more about four guys 142 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,480 who grew up half a mile from her grave. 143 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:30,960 I think we do. 144 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,960 Hollis, you wanker. 145 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:46,960 Shit! 146 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,160 And this sort of sized garden is very unusual 147 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,960 for a flat in this part of the city. 148 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,640 It's also west-facing, so... 149 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,320 Anyway, have a natter and I'll be outside if you need me. 150 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,960 Thank you. 151 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,960 He's never had a garden with grass before. 152 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,160 You like it. 153 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,160 I think it's perfect. 154 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,960 What? 155 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,960 There's a "but" coming. 156 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,960 But... 157 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,960 ..if we're going to be properly together... 158 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,800 ..I need to know who you are, Chris. 159 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Who I am? 160 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,160 How does someone like you, so... 161 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,960 ..brilliant, so lovely... 162 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,800 ..end up like you have? 163 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,960 How does that happen? 164 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,960 So we had two key leads that I believed 165 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,320 were potentially significant, but were never resolved. 166 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,160 St Matthew's C of E, 167 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,960 which was burgled at some point that New Year's Eve, 168 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,960 with about five grand's worth of 18-century silverware 169 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,960 taken from a locked cupboard in the vestry. 170 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,960 Blood smears were retrieved on some smashed glass into the vestry, 171 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,800 but there were no matches with anyone on our database. 172 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,960 The church is about halfway between The Swan 173 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,800 and Hayley's parents' original house. 174 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:02,320 And one possible theory was that 175 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,480 she saw something after she left work, 176 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,480 she went to investigate and ran into the burglar or burglars. 177 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,320 Certainly, I believe it's worth following up again. 178 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,960 And then a black car, 179 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,960 which was seen driving very erratically on the road 180 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,640 between The Swan and her house 181 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,960 at approximately 12:25, 182 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,960 maybe 15 minutes after we know she left the pub. 183 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,000 No reg or make, 184 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,960 but the witness thought it was a black four-door saloon 185 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,960 with a tow bar. 186 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,960 Oh, and it's worth mentioning that the weather was very bad that night, 187 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,640 with heavy rain from about 11 o'clock onwards 188 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,960 and very poor visibility. 189 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:40,960 That's it. 190 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,960 So John will be available for the rest of the day, 191 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,640 and then on the phone, at any point, for any questions. 192 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,960 But given what he's just told us, 193 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,960 I suggest DNA swabs should be taken from any suspects we speak to. 194 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,960 Thank you again, John. That was very useful. 195 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,640 So... 196 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,800 ..specific points of action. 197 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,960 Fran, can you double-check all these timelines, please, 198 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,960 for Hayley's movements on the night of her disappearance 199 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,960 and the week before? Boss. 200 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,000 Murray, you take the witness who saw this car. Yup. 201 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,640 And, Jake, obviously, the body was found in London 202 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,960 and, given that new development, 203 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,960 it's worth having another chat with Adrian Mullery, I think. Guv. 204 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,960 And following this morning's interview with James Hollis, 205 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,320 myself and DI Khan will certainly be speaking 206 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,960 to the other three male occupants of The Spinney. 207 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,960 OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone. 208 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,960 That was great. Thank you again. 209 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,960 Yeah. No problem. 210 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,960 So are you heading back down tonight or...? 211 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,160 No. No, no, my kids live with their mum in town, 212 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,960 so I'm going to stick around, spend some time with them for a few days. 213 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,960 Right. How old are they? 21 and 20. 214 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,960 Ah, same as mine. Boys or...? 215 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,960 Two boys. 216 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:58,960 Jinx. 217 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Hm! 218 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Er, anyway, I better go and check into the hotel, so... 219 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,960 Go for it. And we will speak soon, I hope. Yeah, absolutely. 220 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,960 John... Thanks for that. That was great. 221 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,800 Listen, er...if you're at a loose end any evening, 222 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,960 there's always a few of us at The Enterprise, 223 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,960 if you fancy a drink. It's just opposite. 224 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,960 Yeah, great. Cheers. 225 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,000 I might take you up on that. Good. 226 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,960 All right, see you. See you. 227 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,640 See you. Cheers. 228 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,640 You're welcome. 229 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,960 Oh! 230 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,960 Hola, gordo conejo. Hola, muy gordo conejo. 231 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,960 How you doing? Yeah, all good. You? 232 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,160 Yeah, very well. I've just been in Manchester on a work thing, 233 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,960 driving back to Sussex now with Caz. 234 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,960 Oh, right. Give her my love. I will. 235 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,480 But listen, very quickly, I presume you've seen the news 236 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,960 about the Hayley Reid case. 237 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,640 Yeah, I did. It's very sad. Oh, wasn't it? 238 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,640 Anyway, the police are obviously doing a general trawl 239 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,800 for potential new witnesses. 240 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,960 And they spoke to me this morning about the house we rented. 241 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,960 Right. 242 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,960 Apparently they think she may have been our cleaner. Wow! 243 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,960 I said I couldn't recall us having a cleaner 244 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,800 and I certainly think one of us would have noticed 245 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,960 if it had have been her, given the amount of coverage. Indeed. 246 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,480 Anyway, the long and short is 247 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,960 they're probably going to want to speak to the whole gang of us, so... 248 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,960 ..I just thought that I ought to let you know. 249 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,960 Yeah, no worries. 250 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,960 Obviously, they're looking for people 251 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,960 who may have seen something that only now seems relevant. 252 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,960 But I told them we all stayed in the house that night, 253 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,960 eating with our families, so... 254 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 255 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,960 I'll give Pete a bell and maybe you could give Chris the heads up? 256 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Sure. 257 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,960 And I've e-mailed some dates for our meet-up. 258 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,960 Oh, yeah, I saw. Erm... 259 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,960 ..I can do any of those. Excellent! 260 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,960 Speak soon, mate. 261 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,320 Yeah, cheers, Jamie. 262 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Jamie sends his love. 263 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,000 How is he? 264 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,960 Oh, he's very well. 265 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,960 He's just, er...trying to arrange a get-together. 266 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,960 The four amigos. 267 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,960 That'll be nice. 268 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:08,960 Yeah, it will. 269 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,960 It's been too long. Much too long. 270 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Of course I remember. 271 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,960 I was meant to have bought the puddings and I forgot, 272 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,480 so I legged it to the corner shop and bought a load of Cornettos, 273 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,960 which your ex wasn't too happy about. 274 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,960 Anyway, I just wanted to check that you remembered it the same as I did. 275 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,960 So, we're all ready for the 22nd. 276 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960 Chris has replied now so I'll book a table and send you all a link. 277 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,960 Just one quick thing before you go, Jamie. 278 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,320 Actually, I'm literally just heading into a meeting, mate. 279 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,960 Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds. 280 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,800 Jamie...I need a massive favour. 281 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,960 I was married for, er... 282 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,960 ..12 years 283 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,960 and I had...have, I have a daughter, 284 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Maya, 285 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,960 who I last saw 17 years ago. 286 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,960 My marriage ended early 2000. 287 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,960 And because of some issues that I had at the time, 288 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,960 my wife Laura, 289 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,960 she felt it was damaging for Maya to be around that. 290 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,000 And I'd run up some debts. 291 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,960 So I went from living in a nice house in Notting Hill to... 292 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,960 ..a one-bedroom flat in Acton... 293 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,960 ..and then a hostel and... 294 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,160 ..and then the streets. 295 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,960 How long were you homeless? 296 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,960 On and off for seven years. 297 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,800 Oh, Chris... 298 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,160 I'm so sorry. 299 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,000 And you had no friends who could have helped you? 300 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,960 Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would have been desperate to help me. 301 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,960 Yeah, but you have to want to be helped. And I didn't. 302 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,960 I hated myself. I thought I deserved everything that happened to me. 303 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,960 And your marriage... 304 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,960 ..the issues you mention? 305 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,960 OK, so... 306 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,960 ..as you know, I have bipolar disorder, 307 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,960 which was undiagnosed at the time, and so it was unmedicated, 308 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:01,960 which meant that... 309 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,960 ..you know, my behaviour was...challenging. 310 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,960 And as soon as I started costing my company money, 311 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,800 it was inevitable I'd be asked to step down. 312 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,960 And that was just not what she had married, 313 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,800 an unemployed man who had mental health issues. 314 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,960 So she asked me to leave. 315 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,960 And I did. 316 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,960 And then, 18 months later, she married a hedge fund manager, 317 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,160 who bought her a house in Holland Park, so... 318 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,960 And then, in 2012... 319 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,960 ..Maya wrote to tell me that Laura had died from breast cancer... 320 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,960 ..and to ask that I stay away from the funeral. 321 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,960 I thought about writing back, and saying that I was better now, 322 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,480 that I was a different person. 323 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,960 And I am. 324 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,480 But I think there comes a time 325 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,960 when you have to accept how things have turned out. 326 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,960 That life can sometimes simply be unfair. 327 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,960 And to keep resisting that... 328 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,160 ..it takes so much energy, Mila. 329 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,960 Energy that you need for the future. 330 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,160 Love? 331 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,960 In here. 332 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,960 Hey, Pete. 333 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,320 Hello, Mark. 334 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,960 What a lovely lady your missus is. 335 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,000 I was just about to call you. 336 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,960 You're punching above your weight there, buddy. 337 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,960 Three grand. 338 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:56,960 And my apologies. 339 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,960 I was stressed about some deals and screwed up the paperwork. 340 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,960 I accidentally paid Salthouse's cheque into my personal account. 341 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,480 But, er... 342 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,960 ..there it is. 343 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,960 All there. 344 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,320 You know what we used to call blokes like Pete, Maria? 345 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,960 Filth. 346 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,960 Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong. 347 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,960 Bit of a Wild West out there, wasn't it, mate? 348 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,480 Attracted a very distinct sort of person. 349 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,960 I see you, buddy. 350 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,960 Lovely to meet you, Maria. I'll let myself out. 351 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,960 I'm sorry about that. 352 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,160 I need a shower. 353 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:03,960 This isn't working, Pete. 354 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,960 You and me. 355 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,960 I'm sorry, but... 356 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,960 ..this just isn't what I thought I was buying. 357 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,960 It'll get better, babes. 358 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,960 Trust me. 359 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,960 I've got some really good business coming in. 360 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,960 Oh, I forgot to say, I've got a couple of guests arriving. 361 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,960 Can you show them in, please, Liz? 362 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:54,960 Yes. 363 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,960 Thanks. 364 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,960 Adrian... 365 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,960 Have you got five minutes? 366 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,960 Well, obviously I recognise her, 367 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,960 but I don't recall ever seeing her at the house at any point. 368 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,960 As Jamie said, 369 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,960 if we had have seen her, we would have discussed it at the time. 370 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,800 It was a huge story. Absolutely. 371 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,960 Er, so... 372 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,960 ..Mr Hollis, he told us that the four of you had gone down 373 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,960 on your own, at first, to play golf. Yes. 374 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,960 And then your wife Derran and your girls arrived on the 31st. 375 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,960 Yes. 376 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,960 And how old were they, the kids? 377 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,960 Er, Claire would have been eight 378 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,960 and Emma just turned ten. 379 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,960 I'm sorry, just to go back on one thing. 380 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,960 New Year's, the kids would have gone to bed at...? 381 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Er, nine, ten, maybe. 382 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,960 And no-one went out after that? Nope. 383 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,960 What car where you driving back then, Dr Finch? 384 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,960 Erm... 385 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,960 ..I had my Audi in '99, I think. 386 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,320 An A4. 387 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,480 Sorry, was that the saloon or...? 388 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,320 No, the estate. We needed the space for holidays and stuff. 389 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,960 To save faffing around with a top box or a trailer or any of that. 390 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,640 And what colour was it? 391 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,960 Silver. 392 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,960 And your wife and kids, they went down by train? 393 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,960 With Jamie's wife and son. 394 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,640 And everybody headed back to London on the 2nd? Yes. 395 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,960 Did you all live in London then? 396 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960 All except Pete. 397 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,960 He lived in Hong Kong. 398 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,960 And your marriage to Derran, that ended when? 399 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,480 What relevance has when my marriage ended to anything? 400 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,800 Sorry. If any question makes you feel uncomfortable, 401 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,960 you don't have to answer. 402 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,960 We separated in 2001. 403 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,960 OK. 404 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,960 And do you remember when Mr Hollis and his wife separated? 405 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000. 406 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960 And Chris Lowe and his wife? 407 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,960 Yeah, roughly the same time. 408 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,960 And are you still in contact with Derran, 409 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,960 if we wanted to speak with her? 410 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,960 I haven't seen Derran for many years, 411 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,960 but I can get a number from my kids, if you need it. 412 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960 That would be very helpful, thank you. 413 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Oh, I should just say that, er... 414 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,320 ..she's had a number of issues over the last couple of decades, 415 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,960 depression, anxiety and so, erm... 416 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,960 ..I'm not entirely sure you'll find her 417 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,960 the most reliable of narrators. 418 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,960 OK. 419 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,960 Well, thank you for that. 420 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,960 And then, one last thing, 421 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,960 and, er...I should say, 422 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,960 do feel free to say no. 423 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,960 But in order to help eliminate you from our enquiries, 424 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,960 how would you feel about giving us a DNA swab? 425 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,960 Yes, of course. No problem. 426 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,960 So, if nobody went out after ten, then it can't be them. 427 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,960 I mean, we know Hayley was seen alive at 12:10, so... 428 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960 Yeah, I think you're right. 429 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,960 And if we're spinning our wheels on these guys, 430 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,960 I don't want to waste any more time. 431 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960 Let's take the last two separately. 432 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,480 Hi, Dad, it's me. 433 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,640 Look, I'm really sorry, I'm going to be a bit late. 434 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,960 Please...call me. 435 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,960 How many times have you been here before, Jamie? 436 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,960 It'll be fine. 437 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,960 You know, the longer this goes on... 438 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960 ..the more his problems... 439 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,640 ..consume him. 440 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,960 The more you look at the paths we took, the choices we made, I made... 441 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,160 ..and think... 442 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,000 ..was it then? 443 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,160 Was it that choice... 444 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,960 ..or that choice... 445 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,960 ..that messed everything up? 446 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,960 Was it then... 447 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,960 ..that I ruined my child's life? 448 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Call me. 449 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,480 Sometimes, I just... 450 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,960 Hi... Hello. 451 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320 Gemma left some school books at mine, I brought them round. 452 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,160 And then she wanted to show me her room. Right. 453 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,640 Lovely place, though. Thank you. 454 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,960 Anyway, I need to shoot off. 455 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,960 Nice to see you. And you. 456 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,960 Bye, girls. 457 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960 Bye. Bye. 458 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the clip-round-the-ear-hole generation. 459 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,960 I think he'd still like to, to be honest. Oh, dear. 460 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,960 And do you have children? No! 461 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960 Never had the urge to be a mother. 462 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,960 Wow. Smart move. Tell me about it. 463 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,960 They take so much from you, don't they? 464 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960 Not sure I'd see it quite like. Just, I'm too selfish, I think. 465 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,960 Yeah? Liked my career too much. 466 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,960 I think, if you are going to have children, you need to be around. 467 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,960 Whoops. Well, yes. 468 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,960 I mean, an evening like tonight, it's fine you letting us down, 469 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,160 but how did you cope when that was your kids, 470 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,960 turning up two hours late for supper? 471 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,960 Oh, we, erm...muddled through. 472 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960 Anyway, Dad tells me you're off to Venice at the weekend. 473 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,960 I know. You should tell him to stop spoiling me. I should. 474 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,320 And first class, too. 475 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,960 Venice? 476 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,960 Right. Yeah. 477 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,960 Funny. Very funny. 478 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,960 Actually that's not quite what I said. 479 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960 OK. 480 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,960 I have it here, you said you saw her leave just after midnight. 481 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,960 No, I said she would have left 482 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,160 just after her shift ended at midnight. 483 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480 I never said I actually saw her. 484 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,960 Right. 485 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,640 Guy Halford, the manager, he's the one who actually saw her. 486 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960 Sorry. And so what was the last time you saw her? 487 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,960 Just before 11. 488 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,320 I was working through till three 489 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,960 and I took a half-hour break then. 490 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,960 When Guy came back, he put me in the bar 491 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,960 and I just presumed that Hayley was finishing up in the restaurant. 492 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,960 And Guy Halford, does he still live in Middenham? 493 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,960 Hi. Hi. 494 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,320 I'm looking for Christopher Lowe. 495 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,960 Hello. 496 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,960 Go on... 497 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,160 Stay there. Stay. 498 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,960 Mr Carr? Yeah. 499 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,000 DI Sunny Khan. Have you got five minutes? 500 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,960 No, I'm... 501 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,320 Sorry. 502 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,960 OK. 503 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Absolutely sure? 504 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,480 Yeah. You know who she is, though? 505 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,480 Yeah. Of course, yeah. 506 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,320 I mean, I never saw her in that house. 507 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,960 Are you OK, Mr Lowe? Yeah. 508 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Yeah, I just... 509 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,000 I don't cope with stress very well. 510 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,960 Would you prefer to have someone with you? No. No. 511 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,960 No, I'm fine for now. OK. 512 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,960 So we're just asking everyone we speak to 513 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,960 a number of general questions to help us with our enquiries. 514 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,960 So, can you tell me what car you were driving that week? 515 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960 I didn't take a car. I went down with Tim. 516 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,960 And then, did you and your family travel back with him or...? 517 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,000 My wife drove down with our daughter 518 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,960 and we went back in her car. 519 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,160 Right. 520 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,960 So what car was she driving? 521 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,800 She would have been driving the Maserati. 522 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,960 Right. 523 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,160 You know what? I think I did see her at the house. 524 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,160 Right. Are you sure? 525 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,960 Yeah. Just one time, but, er... 526 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,960 ..she's got a distinctive face, I guess. 527 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960 I think that was her. OK. 528 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960 Was that on your own or...? 529 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,960 Erm, I'd come back from a round early. 530 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,960 I was still a bit jet-lagged, so I went back to the house for a kip. 531 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960 Er, when I walked in, she was there, hoovering. 532 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,160 I said hello and asked if there was anything else she could do, 533 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,960 cos of the noise. 534 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,640 What day would this have been? 535 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,960 Oh... 536 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,960 I'd have to check a calendar. Do you know when it was rented from? 537 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960 Yeah. 538 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,960 Er... 539 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,160 ..Monday the 27th. 540 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,000 Monday. Well, we arrived in the evening, I remember that. 541 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,640 I think we just chilled the next day, 542 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,640 had a couple of bevvies in the local 543 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,480 and played our first round the day after. 544 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,960 So I'm thinking the Wednesday. 545 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,960 Just to go back to the conversation with her, 546 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960 was it just about the hoovering, was it? Yeah. 547 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,800 When I woke up, the other lads were back and she'd gone. 548 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,960 And you didn't discuss this with any of the others? 549 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,000 Discuss what? 550 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960 That this girl... 551 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,960 ..who later went missing, had been in the house you all rented. 552 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,320 No. 553 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,480 I mean, I drove back to London on the 2nd 554 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,640 and then flew out to Hong Kong first thing the next day, so... 555 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,960 This was a big story? 556 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160 It was huge. It was in all the national newspapers for weeks. 557 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,960 Right, well, I had no idea about that. 558 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,960 And her photo being on the front pages the last couple of days. 559 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960 Work's been pretty crazy. I haven't had time to look at the papers. 560 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,000 I'm sorry, but the first I've ever heard of this girl is, er...now. 561 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960 I suppose one of us would have cooked 562 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,960 and then all of us, with kids, I mean, 563 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960 would have eaten together. 564 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,160 And that was a pleasant evening? 565 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,640 Yeah. Everyone had a nice time? 566 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,960 Yeah, we had a nice time. Why do you ask that? 567 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,960 Well, just... 568 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,960 Because Christmas and New Year can be quite stressful, can't it? 569 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,960 And I understand your marriage broke down not long after. 570 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960 What has that got to do with anything? 571 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,320 Well, I wondered if that was in any way 572 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,480 connected to something that happened on this break. 573 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,320 You know, I think I do, I do need someone with me. 574 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,960 Mm. And I can arrange that. Of course. 575 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,960 But can you answer that question, please? 576 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,320 Because I'm aware that, of the three of you that were married, 577 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,000 all of you were separated within the year. 578 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,320 No, that was, that was, that was nothing to do with anything 579 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,960 that happened on that break. 580 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,960 So... 581 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,960 Sure. 582 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960 Who's that? 583 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,160 That's my girlfriend and her son. I want to stop now, please. 584 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,960 One more thing. 585 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,640 Lastly, we're asking everyone that we speak to 586 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,960 how they'd feel about providing a DNA swab. 587 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,960 Entirely voluntary of course. 588 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,960 How would you feel about that? 589 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,960 Not a problem. 590 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,960 Good. It won't take a minute. 591 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,960 Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier. 592 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat, sir? 593 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,640 Now, you'll have my home address, 594 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,960 but you decided to come here because you thought what? 595 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,160 That I'd be embarrassed 596 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,960 and gratefully duck into some car so no-one saw? 597 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,960 I just want to ask a few quick questions, sir. 598 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,000 So a couple of hours ago, the head suggested 599 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,960 that maybe I should take some leave. 600 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,480 Some of the parents have been uncomfortable with the situation. 601 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960 And, of course, I could refuse because she has no legal right. 602 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,960 But do you know what? I have spent the past 18 years 603 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,960 telling people that I wasn't even charged, 604 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960 that not one single piece of evidence 605 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,960 could ever be found to incriminate me, 606 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,960 that the lead detective retired 607 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,000 just before a misconduct case could be brought against him. 608 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960 So I am knackered 609 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,960 and I'll take the paid break, thank you very much. 610 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,800 But what it also means 611 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,960 is that I am not remotely fucking embarrassed, mate. 612 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,800 I'm not remotely embarrassed to stand here 613 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,960 and tell you loudly, no, I will not talk to you. 614 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,960 I will not sit in a car or a room 615 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,960 or anywhere with you, voluntarily, ever. 616 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,960 And if you want to arrest me, be my guest. 617 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,960 But I'll not say another fucking word to you. 618 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,960 Not even, "No comment." 619 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960 Because I think the police are scum. 620 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,960 I think you lie. I think you break the law. 621 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,800 I think you take bribes and you sell stories. 622 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,960 But worse than that, most unforgiveable of all, 623 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,960 I think you're thick. 624 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,960 I think your ranks are made up of dim-witted mediocrity 625 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,960 who joined the force because they want power 626 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,640 but they're too stupid to get employed anywhere else. 627 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960 So...shame on you... 628 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,960 ..for the way you treated me... 629 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960 ..for letting Hayley down so...catastrophically. 630 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,960 And shame on you, DC Jake Collier... 631 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160 for becoming a police officer. 632 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,960 And how sure did he seem? 633 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,960 Pretty sure. It was an instinctive reaction. 634 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,960 I don't think he was recognising her from the newspapers. 635 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,480 So this definitively places her in the house, 636 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,800 possibly with all four men, before the wives and kids arrived? Yeah. 637 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,960 What was he like otherwise? 638 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,960 Odd. 639 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,160 An odd mixture. 640 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,960 I mean, I guess you've got to ask, why would he be telling me 641 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,800 that he saw Hayley in the house if he had something to hide? 642 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:52,960 But... 643 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,320 But when I asked him if he'd give a DNA swab, 644 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,960 he slightly looked like he'd just shat himself. 645 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960 What's his background? 646 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,960 Er... 647 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,960 Lived and worked in Hong Kong for 25 years. 648 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,000 Only married for the first time six years ago. 649 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,960 No previous convictions, at least not here. 650 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,000 Ah... 651 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,480 Drove down to Middenham on a motorbike. 652 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,000 Do we have a response from James Hollis about his car yet? 653 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,960 I'll chase that. Er, how was your man? 654 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,960 So, erm... 655 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,960 He lives in a camper van. 656 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,960 Oh. 657 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,960 I'd say he's definitely had some mental health issues, 658 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,640 looks like he hasn't got a pot to piss in. 659 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,960 Except, in 1999, 660 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,960 he was CEO of DDM Lowe, 661 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,960 his own advertising agency. 662 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,000 And this is a guy who got a double first from Cambridge, 663 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,960 was basically a bit of a genius through his life, 664 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,960 lived in a five million quid house in Notting Hill. 665 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960 Wow. When did he leave? 666 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,960 Early 2000. 667 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,480 "To pursue new challenges." 668 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,960 What, like, how to live in a car park? 669 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,480 DCI Stuart. 670 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,320 Hello, I'm just returning your call. 671 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,800 It's Mel Hollis here. I'm James Hollis' ex-wife. 672 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,960 Ah, Mrs Hollis. Yeah, thanks for returning my call. 673 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,960 No, it wasn't a pleasant evening. 674 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,960 What it was was a train wreck. 675 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,960 In what way? 676 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,960 Look the meal was fine, we ate, we cleared up, 677 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,960 the kids were knackered, it'd been a long day getting there, 678 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,960 so they went to bed about 9:30. 679 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,960 Which was good. That they were in bed, I mean, 680 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,960 because they didn't have to see Chris go completely nuts, 681 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,000 for want of a better word. How do you mean? 682 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,960 Out of the blue, he just started ranting 683 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,960 about his life, his marriage, his friends... 684 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,960 ..how it all meant nothing, how everything was an illusion. 685 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,960 It was quiet terrifying. Wow, yeah, I can imagine. 686 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960 And, so...what did people do? 687 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,960 Well, I mean, we all tried to calm him down, obviously, 688 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,960 particularly Laura his wife. 689 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,960 But he was flailing his arms and shouting and... 690 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960 To be honest, we were all quite relieved 691 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960 when he then just suddenly walked out. 692 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,640 Of the house? Mm-hm. 693 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,640 And went where? I don't know. 694 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,960 Had he been drinking? 695 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,960 Well, he'd had a few. 696 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,640 We'd all had a few. It was New Year's Eve. 697 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,960 Anything else? 698 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,960 Someone might have bought some coke. 699 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,960 I don't know, maybe he'd had a bit of that. 700 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,960 OK. 701 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,960 So who was taking coke? 702 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,960 Not me. Not any of the women, actually. 703 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,960 Tim Finch? 704 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,480 Definitely not, no. He never did that. 705 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,960 Pete, no, he was more of a drinker. 706 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,960 James...yes. 707 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,160 In fact, I think it was him that probably bought it. 708 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,960 When Chris went out of the house, 709 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960 what time would that have been? I don't know. 710 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,960 Just after ten, I guess. And did anyone go after him? 711 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,960 Yeah, after a minute or two... 712 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,960 ..er, James and Tim. 713 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,320 Did they catch up with him? No. 714 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,960 No, Chris came back on his own about an hour and a half later. 715 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,960 He was absolutely drenched. 716 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,960 I mean, it was raining hard at this point 717 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,960 and his clothes were covered with mud 718 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,960 and he went straight upstairs to bed. 719 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,160 No explanation, no apology, nothing. Right. 720 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,960 Where was Pete Carr at this point? 721 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960 Pete had been out since right after the meal, 722 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,960 trying his luck at the pub. Trying his luck? 723 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,480 The ladies. 724 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640 He got back just after midnight. 725 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,960 On his own? Mm-hm. 726 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,160 And pissed. 727 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,000 And your husband and Dr Finch? The same. 728 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,960 No, they got back just before midnight. 729 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,640 Just in time for Auld Lang Syne, bless. 730 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,960 Were they separate or together? 731 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,960 I can't remember. 732 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,960 And what happened then? 733 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160 The guys went to bed, the women stayed up 734 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,960 and talked about our car crash marriages. 735 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,960 OK. 736 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,960 This is really important, Ms Hollis, so... 737 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,960 ..I want you to think very carefully, please. 738 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,960 Did you see anyone go out again after that? 739 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,960 No. 740 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,960 No-one went out again after that. 741 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,960 You sound very certain. 742 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,960 Firstly, I sat up talking to Laura and Derran 743 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,960 till about three o'clock in the morning, and then... 744 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,960 I wasn't going to sleep with James that night, so I slept on the sofa. 745 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,960 Except, I didn't, really. Sleep, I mean. 746 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,320 So that meant I would have seen if anyone had gone out. 747 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,960 And they didn't. 748 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,640 Right. 749 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,960 Fuck. 750 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,960 The last sighting of her was after they were all back in the house. 751 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960 So she could be lying. Yep. 752 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960 Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep and one of them came down 753 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,960 at four or five or whatever and then went out. 754 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,960 Except, if one of them came down at four or five, 755 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,960 went out then and killed her, where... 756 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,960 ..where was Hayley between leaving the pub at 12:10 and four or five? 757 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,960 No, that feels wrong. Yeah, maybe. 758 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,960 But not as wrong as all four men 759 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,320 having clearly lied to us through their teeth. 760 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,960 There is that. 761 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,960 I need a drink. 762 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960 There is that. 763 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,960 Yeah, it was about ten past, 764 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960 maybe quarter past midnight. 765 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,160 Enough time to change, anyway. For the party? Yeah. 766 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,160 Cos she went as Madonna, 767 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,960 the Desperately Seeking Susan one. 768 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,960 You know, all the slap and the hair and everything. 769 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,960 It was an '80s theme, I think. 770 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,960 Sorry, just a sec. Sure. 771 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,960 This is from Hayley's diary. 772 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,960 "I hate the '80s, I hate fancy dress, so am going as ME!! 773 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,960 "They should be so lucky. Lucky, lucky, lucky!!" 774 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,960 Maybe she changed her mind. 775 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960 Were there any other female staff going to the party 776 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,640 who would have been the same age, same build as Hayley? 777 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,960 Hey... 778 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,960 Hey, Fran, what's up? 779 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,960 There was another employee, same build, same colouring, 780 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,960 same hair as Hayley, 781 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,960 who's just confirmed to me that she went as Madonna 782 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,320 and she left around 12:10. 783 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,960 So you think the manager saw her leaving, not Hayley? 784 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,160 I think it has to be a very strong possibility. 785 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,320 Which means the last confirmed sighting of Hayley was way earlier. 786 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,960 At 11, after which she could easily have bunked off work early. 787 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,960 OK, this is brilliant work, Fran. 788 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,960 Let's talk first thing tomorrow. 789 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,800 Goodnight, boss. You heard that? 790 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,800 So she could actually have left the pub earlier. 791 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,960 At 11. 792 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,160 Which means we now have four men, variously pissed, 793 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,960 drugged up and possibly mentally unstable, 794 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,960 out somewhere in Middenham, 795 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,960 at exactly the same time as Hayley. 60105

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