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There is some evidence to suggest
that Hayley...was strangled.
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DCI Stuart,
Hayley was a friend of mine.
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I was supposed to be doing
a cleaning job,
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Hayley did the job for me.
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It was in a holiday rental.
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I'd forgotten
that's who we let it to.
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He does that quiz show on the BBC.
James Hollis.
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Just give me ten minutes,
I'm not feeling 100%.
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Dad, this is not about the past.
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Or, at least, not the past
you're talking about.
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I love you.
I love you, too.
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Tim, it's your word against hers.
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I pretended to go out.
I just heard him go for her.
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I don't believe
I ever lost my temper.
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I'd appreciate having somebody here.
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They took money
I had for a deposit on a flat.
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I do think you should consider
opening a bank account.
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No. No. No. No. No bank accounts.
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I would feel very lucky to be able
to help you grow stronger.
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There'll be money
in the joint account tomorrow.
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Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA.
We want to cancel it.
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I can't see any paperwork here.
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Mr Hollis, we wondered
if you had five minutes, please,
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to help us with a case
we're investigating.
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I will need my lawyer present.
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Els, it's Dad again.
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They've come about her.
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Oh, shit!
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Oh, you...
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Dad!
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Dad!
Yeah?
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Morning.
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Blimey! Are you all right?
You left a pan on.
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Me? No.
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Yeah, I walked in
and it was burning.
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Is that your porridge?
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This was off when I left.
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Right. Well, I've, like,
literally just walked in.
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So...
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Well, it's still under warranty.
I'll get in touch with the company.
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I'm sorry. If I knew anything,
I'd tell you, Mr Hollis.
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You know I would.
I do. But if you do hear anything,
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tell him I need to speak to him.
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Tell him it's really urgent.
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And, so, in the end,
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the case really came down to
one person's word against another's.
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And in this instance,
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we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's
many years' exemplary practice
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and his reputation
as a hard-working, generous
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and trustworthy GP.
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And as such, we find
we do not uphold the complaint.
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I heard him. He might sit there now
looking like butter wouldn't melt,
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but he's got another side to him.
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Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate.
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You should, cos you're a disgrace!
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Guv...
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Yeah?
He is here...
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'Peter, its Mark Harper.
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'Kate and I can find no record
of any paperwork
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'relating to an ISA
in the name of Salthouse
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'and I need to know today
how a three-grand cheque from him
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'has been cashed.
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'So you really need to call me.'
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There.
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OK, er...
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..I'm going to change
all of your settings
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so that only your friends
can comment.
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What does it make them feel
when they say those things?
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I doubt very much
they feel anything at all, Mum.
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Cos they're messed up.
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And that, that isn't about Dad
or about you or Hayley.
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It's about them.
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It's just a mirror people hold up
to themselves to shout at.
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I wanted, if I may, erm,
to ask you about a house you rented
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in Middenham, in December 1999,
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which I believe...
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..was an eight-bedroom house.
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Yes, I can't remember specifically
but, yes, it was big.
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There were a bunch of us.
Three other families?
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Yes, although,
for the first few days,
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there were only me and three mates.
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Erm, our wives and kids
joined us on New Year's Eve.
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Right.
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It was primarily a golfing break.
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Oh, OK.
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Erm, and what were their names,
please, the men?
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Tim Finch.
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Chris Lowe.
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Pete Carr.
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And are they all still around?
Yep.
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Still friends?
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Yes, we were at school together,
so it's a long connection.
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And the families, erm, can you
give me details of those people?
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Tim was there
with his first wife Derran
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and their, er...two little girls.
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Pete was single at that time,
so on his own.
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And Chris Lowe was with his first
wife Laura and their little girl.
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And your wife?
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Yes, my wife Mel
and our little boy Eliot.
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Are you two still together?
No.
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I remarried a few years ago.
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Oh.
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So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid.
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Do you recognise her?
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Yes.
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And is that just from the papers?
Sorry, where is this heading?
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We're just trying to corroborate
evidence from another witness,
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who thinks Hayley might have cleaned
the house you rented.
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I have no recollection of that.
You never saw her there?
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No.
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I mean, we were out most days,
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but, hey, this story was huge
and her photo was all over the TV.
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So, if she had cleaned our house
and any of us had have seen her,
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then I think someone would have
mentioned something. Absolutely.
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When did you return to London,
Mr Hollis?
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Erm, when the rental ended,
which would be...
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..perhaps, er,
around the second or third.
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And you drove back up
with your wife and child? Yes.
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How did they got down there
on the 31st?
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Train. I picked them up
from a nearby station.
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OK. And this is the last question.
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Erm...what did you all get up to
on the Millennium evening?
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Erm...
Well, as I remember, we, er...
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..we had a meal in the house,
all together.
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Then, I think the, erm...
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..the children stayed up a bit,
till about nine or ten.
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I think the adults watched a movie
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and then all went to bed
after Big Ben.
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Is that all of you?
As I recall, yes.
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And then no-one went out again
for the rest of the night?
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No.
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OK.
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That's it.
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Thank you.
Thank you very much for your time.
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Sorry...
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You said you guys met at school.
Yes.
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Where was that,
the school you went to? Finchley.
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Right. And you all, erm...
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..lived round that area?
Within a couple of miles, yes.
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OK, thanks again.
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Well, I think we want
to know more about four guys
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who grew up
half a mile from her grave.
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I think we do.
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Hollis, you wanker.
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Shit!
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And this sort of sized garden
is very unusual
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for a flat in this part of the city.
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It's also west-facing, so...
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Anyway, have a natter
and I'll be outside if you need me.
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Thank you.
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He's never had a garden
with grass before.
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You like it.
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I think it's perfect.
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What?
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There's a "but" coming.
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But...
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..if we're going to be
properly together...
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..I need to know who you are, Chris.
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Who I am?
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How does someone like you, so...
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..brilliant, so lovely...
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..end up like you have?
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How does that happen?
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So we had two key leads
that I believed
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were potentially significant,
but were never resolved.
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St Matthew's C of E,
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which was burgled at some
point that New Year's Eve,
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with about five grand's worth
of 18-century silverware
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taken from a locked cupboard
in the vestry.
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Blood smears were retrieved on
some smashed glass into the vestry,
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but there were no matches
with anyone on our database.
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The church
is about halfway between The Swan
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and Hayley's parents'
original house.
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And one possible theory was that
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she saw something after
she left work,
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she went to investigate and
ran into the burglar or burglars.
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Certainly, I believe
it's worth following up again.
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And then a black car,
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which was seen driving
very erratically on the road
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between The Swan and her house
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at approximately 12:25,
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maybe 15 minutes after we know
she left the pub.
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No reg or make,
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but the witness thought
it was a black four-door saloon
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with a tow bar.
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Oh, and it's worth mentioning that
the weather was very bad that night,
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with heavy rain
from about 11 o'clock onwards
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and very poor visibility.
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That's it.
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So John will be available
for the rest of the day,
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and then on the phone,
at any point, for any questions.
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But given what he's just told us,
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I suggest DNA swabs should be taken
from any suspects we speak to.
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Thank you again, John.
That was very useful.
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So...
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..specific points of action.
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Fran, can you double-check
all these timelines, please,
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for Hayley's movements
on the night of her disappearance
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and the week before?
Boss.
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Murray, you take the witness
who saw this car. Yup.
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And, Jake, obviously,
the body was found in London
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and, given that new development,
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it's worth having another chat
with Adrian Mullery, I think. Guv.
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And following this morning's
interview with James Hollis,
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myself and DI Khan
will certainly be speaking
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to the other three male occupants
of The Spinney.
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OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone.
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That was great. Thank you again.
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Yeah. No problem.
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So are you heading back down tonight
or...?
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No. No, no, my kids
live with their mum in town,
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so I'm going to stick around, spend
some time with them for a few days.
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Right. How old are they?
21 and 20.
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Ah, same as mine. Boys or...?
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Two boys.
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Jinx.
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Hm!
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Er, anyway, I better go
and check into the hotel, so...
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Go for it. And we will speak soon,
I hope. Yeah, absolutely.
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John... Thanks for that.
That was great.
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Listen, er...if you're at
a loose end any evening,
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there's always a few of us
at The Enterprise,
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if you fancy a drink.
It's just opposite.
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Yeah, great. Cheers.
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I might take you up on that.
Good.
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All right, see you.
See you.
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See you.
Cheers.
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You're welcome.
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Oh!
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Hola, gordo conejo.
Hola, muy gordo conejo.
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How you doing?
Yeah, all good. You?
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Yeah, very well. I've just been
in Manchester on a work thing,
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driving back to Sussex now with Caz.
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Oh, right. Give her my love.
I will.
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But listen, very quickly,
I presume you've seen the news
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about the Hayley Reid case.
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Yeah, I did. It's very sad.
Oh, wasn't it?
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Anyway, the police are obviously
doing a general trawl
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for potential new witnesses.
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And they spoke to me this morning
about the house we rented.
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Right.
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Apparently they think
she may have been our cleaner. Wow!
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I said I couldn't recall us
having a cleaner
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and I certainly think one of us
would have noticed
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if it had have been her, given
the amount of coverage. Indeed.
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Anyway, the long and short is
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they're probably going to want to
speak to the whole gang of us, so...
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..I just thought
that I ought to let you know.
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Yeah, no worries.
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Obviously,
they're looking for people
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who may have seen something
that only now seems relevant.
252
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But I told them we all
stayed in the house that night,
253
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eating with our families, so...
254
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
255
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I'll give Pete a bell and maybe
you could give Chris the heads up?
256
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Sure.
257
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And I've e-mailed some dates
for our meet-up.
258
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Oh, yeah, I saw. Erm...
259
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..I can do any of those.
Excellent!
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Speak soon, mate.
261
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Yeah, cheers, Jamie.
262
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Jamie sends his love.
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How is he?
264
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Oh, he's very well.
265
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He's just, er...trying to arrange
a get-together.
266
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The four amigos.
267
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That'll be nice.
268
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Yeah, it will.
269
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It's been too long. Much too long.
270
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Of course I remember.
271
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I was meant to have bought
the puddings and I forgot,
272
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so I legged it to the corner shop
and bought a load of Cornettos,
273
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which your ex
wasn't too happy about.
274
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Anyway, I just wanted to check that
you remembered it the same as I did.
275
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So, we're all ready for the 22nd.
276
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Chris has replied now so I'll book
a table and send you all a link.
277
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Just one quick thing before you go,
Jamie.
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Actually, I'm literally
just heading into a meeting, mate.
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Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds.
280
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Jamie...I need a massive favour.
281
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I was married for, er...
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..12 years
283
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and I had...have, I have a daughter,
284
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Maya,
285
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who I last saw 17 years ago.
286
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My marriage ended early 2000.
287
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And because of some issues
that I had at the time,
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my wife Laura,
289
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she felt it was damaging for Maya
to be around that.
290
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And I'd run up some debts.
291
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So I went from living in
a nice house in Notting Hill to...
292
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..a one-bedroom flat in Acton...
293
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..and then a hostel and...
294
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..and then the streets.
295
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How long were you homeless?
296
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On and off for seven years.
297
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Oh, Chris...
298
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I'm so sorry.
299
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And you had no friends
who could have helped you?
300
00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,960
Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would
have been desperate to help me.
301
00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,960
Yeah, but you have to want
to be helped. And I didn't.
302
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,960
I hated myself. I thought I deserved
everything that happened to me.
303
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And your marriage...
304
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..the issues you mention?
305
00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,960
OK, so...
306
00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,960
..as you know,
I have bipolar disorder,
307
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which was undiagnosed at the time,
and so it was unmedicated,
308
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which meant that...
309
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..you know, my behaviour
was...challenging.
310
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And as soon as I started
costing my company money,
311
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it was inevitable
I'd be asked to step down.
312
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And that was
just not what she had married,
313
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an unemployed man
who had mental health issues.
314
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So she asked me to leave.
315
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And I did.
316
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And then, 18 months later,
she married a hedge fund manager,
317
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who bought her a house
in Holland Park, so...
318
00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,960
And then, in 2012...
319
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,960
..Maya wrote to tell me that
Laura had died from breast cancer...
320
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,960
..and to ask that I stay away
from the funeral.
321
00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,960
I thought about writing back,
and saying that I was better now,
322
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that I was a different person.
323
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And I am.
324
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But I think there comes a time
325
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when you have to accept
how things have turned out.
326
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That life can sometimes
simply be unfair.
327
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,960
And to keep resisting that...
328
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,160
..it takes so much energy, Mila.
329
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Energy that you need for the future.
330
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Love?
331
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In here.
332
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Hey, Pete.
333
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,320
Hello, Mark.
334
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,960
What a lovely lady your missus is.
335
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,000
I was just about to call you.
336
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,960
You're punching above your weight
there, buddy.
337
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,960
Three grand.
338
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:56,960
And my apologies.
339
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,960
I was stressed about some deals
and screwed up the paperwork.
340
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,960
I accidentally paid Salthouse's
cheque into my personal account.
341
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,480
But, er...
342
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,960
..there it is.
343
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,960
All there.
344
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,320
You know what we used to call
blokes like Pete, Maria?
345
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Filth.
346
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,960
Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong.
347
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,960
Bit of a Wild West out there,
wasn't it, mate?
348
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,480
Attracted a very distinct
sort of person.
349
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,960
I see you, buddy.
350
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,960
Lovely to meet you, Maria.
I'll let myself out.
351
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,960
I'm sorry about that.
352
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,160
I need a shower.
353
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:03,960
This isn't working, Pete.
354
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,960
You and me.
355
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,960
I'm sorry, but...
356
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,960
..this just isn't what I thought
I was buying.
357
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,960
It'll get better, babes.
358
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,960
Trust me.
359
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,960
I've got some really good business
coming in.
360
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,960
Oh, I forgot to say, I've got
a couple of guests arriving.
361
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,960
Can you show them in, please, Liz?
362
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:54,960
Yes.
363
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,960
Thanks.
364
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,960
Adrian...
365
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,960
Have you got five minutes?
366
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,960
Well, obviously I recognise her,
367
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,960
but I don't recall ever seeing her
at the house at any point.
368
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,960
As Jamie said,
369
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,960
if we had have seen her, we would
have discussed it at the time.
370
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,800
It was a huge story.
Absolutely.
371
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,960
Er, so...
372
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,960
..Mr Hollis, he told us
that the four of you had gone down
373
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on your own, at first, to play golf.
Yes.
374
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,960
And then your wife Derran
and your girls arrived on the 31st.
375
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,960
Yes.
376
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,960
And how old were they, the kids?
377
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,960
Er, Claire would have been eight
378
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,960
and Emma just turned ten.
379
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,960
I'm sorry,
just to go back on one thing.
380
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,960
New Year's, the kids
would have gone to bed at...?
381
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960
Er, nine, ten, maybe.
382
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,960
And no-one went out after that?
Nope.
383
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,960
What car where you driving
back then, Dr Finch?
384
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,960
Erm...
385
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,960
..I had my Audi in '99, I think.
386
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,320
An A4.
387
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,480
Sorry, was that the saloon or...?
388
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,320
No, the estate. We needed
the space for holidays and stuff.
389
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,960
To save faffing around with a
top box or a trailer or any of that.
390
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,640
And what colour was it?
391
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,960
Silver.
392
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,960
And your wife and kids,
they went down by train?
393
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,960
With Jamie's wife and son.
394
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,640
And everybody headed back to London
on the 2nd? Yes.
395
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,960
Did you all live in London then?
396
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960
All except Pete.
397
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,960
He lived in Hong Kong.
398
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,960
And your marriage to Derran,
that ended when?
399
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,480
What relevance has
when my marriage ended to anything?
400
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,800
Sorry. If any question
makes you feel uncomfortable,
401
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,960
you don't have to answer.
402
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,960
We separated in 2001.
403
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,960
OK.
404
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,960
And do you remember when Mr Hollis
and his wife separated?
405
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,960
Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000.
406
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960
And Chris Lowe and his wife?
407
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,960
Yeah, roughly the same time.
408
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,960
And are you still in contact
with Derran,
409
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,960
if we wanted to speak with her?
410
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,960
I haven't seen Derran
for many years,
411
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,960
but I can get a number from my kids,
if you need it.
412
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960
That would be very helpful,
thank you.
413
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960
Oh, I should just say that, er...
414
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,320
..she's had a number of issues
over the last couple of decades,
415
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,960
depression, anxiety and so, erm...
416
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,960
..I'm not entirely sure
you'll find her
417
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,960
the most reliable of narrators.
418
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,960
OK.
419
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,960
Well, thank you for that.
420
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,960
And then, one last thing,
421
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,960
and, er...I should say,
422
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,960
do feel free to say no.
423
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,960
But in order to help
eliminate you from our enquiries,
424
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,960
how would you feel about
giving us a DNA swab?
425
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,960
Yes, of course. No problem.
426
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,960
So, if nobody went out after ten,
then it can't be them.
427
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,960
I mean, we know Hayley
was seen alive at 12:10, so...
428
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960
Yeah, I think you're right.
429
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,960
And if we're spinning our wheels
on these guys,
430
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,960
I don't want to waste any more time.
431
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960
Let's take the last two separately.
432
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,480
Hi, Dad, it's me.
433
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,640
Look, I'm really sorry,
I'm going to be a bit late.
434
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,960
Please...call me.
435
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,960
How many times
have you been here before, Jamie?
436
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,960
It'll be fine.
437
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,960
You know,
the longer this goes on...
438
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960
..the more his problems...
439
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,640
..consume him.
440
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,960
The more you look at the paths we
took, the choices we made, I made...
441
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,160
..and think...
442
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,000
..was it then?
443
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,160
Was it that choice...
444
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,960
..or that choice...
445
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,960
..that messed everything up?
446
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,960
Was it then...
447
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,960
..that I ruined my child's life?
448
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Call me.
449
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,480
Sometimes, I just...
450
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,960
Hi...
Hello.
451
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Gemma left some school books
at mine, I brought them round.
452
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,160
And then she wanted to show me
her room. Right.
453
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,640
Lovely place, though.
Thank you.
454
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Anyway, I need to shoot off.
455
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,960
Nice to see you.
And you.
456
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,960
Bye, girls.
457
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Bye.
Bye.
458
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,960
Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the
clip-round-the-ear-hole generation.
459
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,960
I think he'd still like to,
to be honest. Oh, dear.
460
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,960
And do you have children?
No!
461
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Never had the urge to be a mother.
462
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,960
Wow. Smart move.
Tell me about it.
463
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,960
They take so much from you,
don't they?
464
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Not sure I'd see it quite like.
Just, I'm too selfish, I think.
465
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Yeah?
Liked my career too much.
466
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,960
I think, if you are going to have
children, you need to be around.
467
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,960
Whoops.
Well, yes.
468
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,960
I mean, an evening like tonight,
it's fine you letting us down,
469
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,160
but how did you cope
when that was your kids,
470
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,960
turning up two hours late
for supper?
471
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Oh, we, erm...muddled through.
472
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960
Anyway, Dad tells me
you're off to Venice at the weekend.
473
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,960
I know. You should tell him
to stop spoiling me. I should.
474
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,320
And first class, too.
475
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,960
Venice?
476
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Right. Yeah.
477
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,960
Funny. Very funny.
478
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,960
Actually that's not quite
what I said.
479
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960
OK.
480
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,960
I have it here, you said you
saw her leave just after midnight.
481
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,960
No, I said she would have left
482
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,160
just after her shift ended
at midnight.
483
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480
I never said I actually saw her.
484
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,960
Right.
485
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,640
Guy Halford, the manager,
he's the one who actually saw her.
486
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Sorry. And so what was the last time
you saw her?
487
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Just before 11.
488
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,320
I was working through till three
489
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,960
and I took a half-hour break then.
490
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,960
When Guy came back,
he put me in the bar
491
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,960
and I just presumed that Hayley
was finishing up in the restaurant.
492
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,960
And Guy Halford,
does he still live in Middenham?
493
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,960
Hi.
Hi.
494
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,320
I'm looking for Christopher Lowe.
495
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,960
Hello.
496
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,960
Go on...
497
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,160
Stay there. Stay.
498
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,960
Mr Carr?
Yeah.
499
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,000
DI Sunny Khan.
Have you got five minutes?
500
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,960
No, I'm...
501
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,320
Sorry.
502
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,960
OK.
503
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960
Absolutely sure?
504
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,480
Yeah.
You know who she is, though?
505
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,480
Yeah. Of course, yeah.
506
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,320
I mean, I never saw her
in that house.
507
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Are you OK, Mr Lowe?
Yeah.
508
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,960
Yeah, I just...
509
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,000
I don't cope with stress very well.
510
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Would you prefer to have someone
with you? No. No.
511
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,960
No, I'm fine for now.
OK.
512
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,960
So we're just asking everyone
we speak to
513
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,960
a number of general questions
to help us with our enquiries.
514
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,960
So, can you tell me
what car you were driving that week?
515
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960
I didn't take a car.
I went down with Tim.
516
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,960
And then, did you and your family
travel back with him or...?
517
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,000
My wife drove down
with our daughter
518
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,960
and we went back in her car.
519
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,160
Right.
520
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,960
So what car was she driving?
521
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,800
She would have been driving
the Maserati.
522
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,960
Right.
523
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,160
You know what?
I think I did see her at the house.
524
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,160
Right. Are you sure?
525
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,960
Yeah. Just one time, but, er...
526
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,960
..she's got a distinctive face,
I guess.
527
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960
I think that was her.
OK.
528
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960
Was that on your own or...?
529
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Erm, I'd come back
from a round early.
530
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,960
I was still a bit jet-lagged, so
I went back to the house for a kip.
531
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Er, when I walked in,
she was there, hoovering.
532
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,160
I said hello and asked if there
was anything else she could do,
533
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,960
cos of the noise.
534
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,640
What day would this have been?
535
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,960
Oh...
536
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,960
I'd have to check a calendar.
Do you know when it was rented from?
537
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960
Yeah.
538
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Er...
539
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,160
..Monday the 27th.
540
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,000
Monday. Well, we arrived
in the evening, I remember that.
541
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,640
I think we just chilled
the next day,
542
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,640
had a couple of bevvies
in the local
543
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,480
and played our first round
the day after.
544
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,960
So I'm thinking the Wednesday.
545
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,960
Just to go back to the conversation
with her,
546
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960
was it just about the hoovering,
was it? Yeah.
547
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,800
When I woke up, the other lads
were back and she'd gone.
548
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,960
And you didn't discuss this
with any of the others?
549
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Discuss what?
550
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960
That this girl...
551
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,960
..who later went missing, had been
in the house you all rented.
552
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,320
No.
553
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,480
I mean, I drove back to London
on the 2nd
554
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,640
and then flew out to Hong Kong
first thing the next day, so...
555
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,960
This was a big story?
556
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
It was huge. It was in all
the national newspapers for weeks.
557
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,960
Right, well, I had no idea
about that.
558
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,960
And her photo being on the front
pages the last couple of days.
559
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Work's been pretty crazy. I haven't
had time to look at the papers.
560
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,000
I'm sorry, but the first I've ever
heard of this girl is, er...now.
561
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960
I suppose one of us
would have cooked
562
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,960
and then all of us,
with kids, I mean,
563
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960
would have eaten together.
564
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,160
And that was a pleasant evening?
565
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,640
Yeah.
Everyone had a nice time?
566
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,960
Yeah, we had a nice time.
Why do you ask that?
567
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,960
Well, just...
568
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Because Christmas and New Year
can be quite stressful, can't it?
569
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,960
And I understand your marriage
broke down not long after.
570
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
What has that got to do
with anything?
571
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,320
Well, I wondered
if that was in any way
572
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,480
connected to something
that happened on this break.
573
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,320
You know, I think I do,
I do need someone with me.
574
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,960
Mm. And I can arrange that.
Of course.
575
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,960
But can you answer that question,
please?
576
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,320
Because I'm aware that, of
the three of you that were married,
577
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,000
all of you were separated
within the year.
578
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,320
No, that was, that was,
that was nothing to do with anything
579
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,960
that happened on that break.
580
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,960
So...
581
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,960
Sure.
582
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Who's that?
583
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,160
That's my girlfriend and her son.
I want to stop now, please.
584
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,960
One more thing.
585
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,640
Lastly, we're asking everyone
that we speak to
586
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,960
how they'd feel about
providing a DNA swab.
587
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,960
Entirely voluntary of course.
588
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,960
How would you feel about that?
589
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Not a problem.
590
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Good. It won't take a minute.
591
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,960
Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier.
592
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960
Have you got five minutes
for a quick chat, sir?
593
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Now, you'll have my home address,
594
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,960
but you decided to come here
because you thought what?
595
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,160
That I'd be embarrassed
596
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,960
and gratefully duck into some
car so no-one saw?
597
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,960
I just want to ask
a few quick questions, sir.
598
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,000
So a couple of hours ago,
the head suggested
599
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,960
that maybe I should take some leave.
600
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,480
Some of the parents have been
uncomfortable with the situation.
601
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
And, of course, I could refuse
because she has no legal right.
602
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,960
But do you know what?
I have spent the past 18 years
603
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,960
telling people
that I wasn't even charged,
604
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960
that not one single piece
of evidence
605
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,960
could ever be found
to incriminate me,
606
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,960
that the lead detective retired
607
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,000
just before a misconduct case
could be brought against him.
608
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960
So I am knackered
609
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,960
and I'll take the paid break,
thank you very much.
610
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,800
But what it also means
611
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,960
is that I am not remotely
fucking embarrassed, mate.
612
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,800
I'm not remotely embarrassed
to stand here
613
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,960
and tell you loudly,
no, I will not talk to you.
614
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,960
I will not sit in a car or a room
615
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,960
or anywhere with you,
voluntarily, ever.
616
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,960
And if you want to arrest me,
be my guest.
617
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,960
But I'll not say
another fucking word to you.
618
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,960
Not even, "No comment."
619
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
Because I think the police are scum.
620
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,960
I think you lie.
I think you break the law.
621
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,800
I think you take bribes
and you sell stories.
622
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,960
But worse than that,
most unforgiveable of all,
623
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,960
I think you're thick.
624
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,960
I think your ranks are made up
of dim-witted mediocrity
625
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,960
who joined the force
because they want power
626
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,640
but they're too stupid
to get employed anywhere else.
627
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
So...shame on you...
628
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,960
..for the way you treated me...
629
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960
..for letting Hayley down
so...catastrophically.
630
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,960
And shame on you, DC Jake Collier...
631
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
for becoming a police officer.
632
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,960
And how sure did he seem?
633
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Pretty sure.
It was an instinctive reaction.
634
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,960
I don't think he was recognising her
from the newspapers.
635
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,480
So this definitively places her
in the house,
636
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,800
possibly with all four men, before
the wives and kids arrived? Yeah.
637
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,960
What was he like otherwise?
638
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,960
Odd.
639
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,160
An odd mixture.
640
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,960
I mean, I guess you've got to ask,
why would he be telling me
641
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,800
that he saw Hayley in the house
if he had something to hide?
642
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:52,960
But...
643
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,320
But when I asked him
if he'd give a DNA swab,
644
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,960
he slightly looked like
he'd just shat himself.
645
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960
What's his background?
646
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Er...
647
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,960
Lived and worked in Hong Kong
for 25 years.
648
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,000
Only married for the first time
six years ago.
649
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,960
No previous convictions,
at least not here.
650
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,000
Ah...
651
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Drove down to Middenham
on a motorbike.
652
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,000
Do we have a response
from James Hollis about his car yet?
653
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,960
I'll chase that.
Er, how was your man?
654
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,960
So, erm...
655
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,960
He lives in a camper van.
656
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,960
Oh.
657
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,960
I'd say he's definitely had
some mental health issues,
658
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,640
looks like he hasn't got
a pot to piss in.
659
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,960
Except, in 1999,
660
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,960
he was CEO of DDM Lowe,
661
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,960
his own advertising agency.
662
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,000
And this is a guy who got
a double first from Cambridge,
663
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,960
was basically a bit of a genius
through his life,
664
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,960
lived in a five million quid house
in Notting Hill.
665
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960
Wow. When did he leave?
666
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Early 2000.
667
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,480
"To pursue new challenges."
668
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,960
What, like,
how to live in a car park?
669
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,480
DCI Stuart.
670
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,320
Hello, I'm just returning your call.
671
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,800
It's Mel Hollis here.
I'm James Hollis' ex-wife.
672
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,960
Ah, Mrs Hollis.
Yeah, thanks for returning my call.
673
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,960
No, it wasn't a pleasant evening.
674
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,960
What it was
was a train wreck.
675
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,960
In what way?
676
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,960
Look the meal was fine,
we ate, we cleared up,
677
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,960
the kids were knackered,
it'd been a long day getting there,
678
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,960
so they went to bed about 9:30.
679
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,960
Which was good.
That they were in bed, I mean,
680
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,960
because they didn't have to see
Chris go completely nuts,
681
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,000
for want of a better word.
How do you mean?
682
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,960
Out of the blue,
he just started ranting
683
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,960
about his life,
his marriage, his friends...
684
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,960
..how it all meant nothing,
how everything was an illusion.
685
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,960
It was quiet terrifying.
Wow, yeah, I can imagine.
686
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960
And, so...what did people do?
687
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,960
Well, I mean, we all tried
to calm him down, obviously,
688
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,960
particularly Laura his wife.
689
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,960
But he was flailing his arms
and shouting and...
690
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960
To be honest,
we were all quite relieved
691
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960
when he then just suddenly
walked out.
692
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,640
Of the house?
Mm-hm.
693
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,640
And went where?
I don't know.
694
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,960
Had he been drinking?
695
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,960
Well, he'd had a few.
696
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,640
We'd all had a few.
It was New Year's Eve.
697
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,960
Anything else?
698
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Someone might have bought some coke.
699
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,960
I don't know,
maybe he'd had a bit of that.
700
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,960
OK.
701
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,960
So who was taking coke?
702
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,960
Not me.
Not any of the women, actually.
703
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,960
Tim Finch?
704
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,480
Definitely not, no.
He never did that.
705
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,960
Pete, no, he was more of a drinker.
706
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,960
James...yes.
707
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,160
In fact, I think it was him
that probably bought it.
708
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,960
When Chris went out of the house,
709
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960
what time would that have been?
I don't know.
710
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,960
Just after ten, I guess.
And did anyone go after him?
711
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Yeah, after a minute or two...
712
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,960
..er, James and Tim.
713
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,320
Did they catch up with him?
No.
714
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,960
No, Chris came back on his own
about an hour and a half later.
715
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,960
He was absolutely drenched.
716
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,960
I mean, it was raining hard
at this point
717
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,960
and his clothes
were covered with mud
718
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,960
and he went straight upstairs
to bed.
719
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,160
No explanation, no apology, nothing.
Right.
720
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Where was Pete Carr at this point?
721
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960
Pete had been out
since right after the meal,
722
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,960
trying his luck at the pub.
Trying his luck?
723
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,480
The ladies.
724
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640
He got back just after midnight.
725
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,960
On his own?
Mm-hm.
726
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,160
And pissed.
727
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,000
And your husband and Dr Finch?
The same.
728
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,960
No, they got back
just before midnight.
729
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,640
Just in time for Auld Lang Syne,
bless.
730
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,960
Were they separate or together?
731
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,960
I can't remember.
732
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,960
And what happened then?
733
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160
The guys went to bed,
the women stayed up
734
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,960
and talked about
our car crash marriages.
735
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,960
OK.
736
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,960
This is really important, Ms Hollis,
so...
737
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,960
..I want you to think
very carefully, please.
738
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,960
Did you see anyone go out again
after that?
739
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,960
No.
740
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,960
No-one went out again after that.
741
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,960
You sound very certain.
742
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,960
Firstly, I sat up talking
to Laura and Derran
743
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,960
till about three o'clock
in the morning, and then...
744
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,960
I wasn't going to sleep with James
that night, so I slept on the sofa.
745
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,960
Except, I didn't, really.
Sleep, I mean.
746
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,320
So that meant I would have seen
if anyone had gone out.
747
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,960
And they didn't.
748
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,640
Right.
749
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,960
Fuck.
750
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,960
The last sighting of her was after
they were all back in the house.
751
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
So she could be lying.
Yep.
752
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep
and one of them came down
753
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,960
at four or five or whatever
and then went out.
754
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,960
Except, if one of them came down
at four or five,
755
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,960
went out then and killed her,
where...
756
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,960
..where was Hayley between leaving
the pub at 12:10 and four or five?
757
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,960
No, that feels wrong.
Yeah, maybe.
758
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,960
But not as wrong as all four men
759
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,320
having clearly lied to us
through their teeth.
760
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,960
There is that.
761
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,960
I need a drink.
762
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
There is that.
763
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Yeah, it was about ten past,
764
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960
maybe quarter past midnight.
765
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,160
Enough time to change, anyway.
For the party? Yeah.
766
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,160
Cos she went as Madonna,
767
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,960
the Desperately Seeking Susan one.
768
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,960
You know, all the slap and the hair
and everything.
769
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,960
It was an '80s theme, I think.
770
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,960
Sorry, just a sec.
Sure.
771
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,960
This is from Hayley's diary.
772
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,960
"I hate the '80s, I hate
fancy dress, so am going as ME!!
773
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,960
"They should be so lucky.
Lucky, lucky, lucky!!"
774
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,960
Maybe she changed her mind.
775
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960
Were there any other female staff
going to the party
776
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,640
who would have been the same age,
same build as Hayley?
777
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Hey...
778
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Hey, Fran, what's up?
779
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,960
There was another employee,
same build, same colouring,
780
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,960
same hair as Hayley,
781
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,960
who's just confirmed to me
that she went as Madonna
782
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,320
and she left around 12:10.
783
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,960
So you think the manager
saw her leaving, not Hayley?
784
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,160
I think it has to be
a very strong possibility.
785
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,320
Which means the last confirmed
sighting of Hayley was way earlier.
786
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,960
At 11, after which she could
easily have bunked off work early.
787
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,960
OK, this is brilliant work, Fran.
788
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,960
Let's talk first thing tomorrow.
789
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,800
Goodnight, boss.
You heard that?
790
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,800
So she could actually
have left the pub earlier.
791
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,960
At 11.
792
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,160
Which means we now have four men,
variously pissed,
793
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,960
drugged up
and possibly mentally unstable,
794
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,960
out somewhere in Middenham,
795
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,960
at exactly the same time as Hayley.
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