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[man] There's something there
that lets you know it's there.
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[man 2] This house,
it's really grabbed me.
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It's got its hooks
sinked into me.
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There's a lot of thing
that happen in this house
that we can't explain.
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[man 3] It's wild
just being there.
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[man 4] It has this, you know,
this aura about it,
a-- a-- a mystery.
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[dramatic music]
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[Alice] I wanted a simple house,
I wanted a A-frame house,
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and I wanted a-- a loft upstairs with a balcony.
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And when we first drove by here, it was just a beautiful meadow.
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It was covered with wildflowers.
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And it just took my breath away.
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And I said,
you know, "That's it."
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[Alice] I had the house
subcontracted,
built like I wanted.
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When they started building,
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we noticed that there were some strange things happening.
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The doors would slam.
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I mean nothing else
would be blowing around,
but the door would slam.
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They put the doorbell in
and it would ring.
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And you'd go to the door,
there's nobody there.
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I remember deadbolting the door and going upstairs
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and as soon as I get upstairs,
you know, we heard a bang!
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I looked out
and the door was open.
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But it had the deadbolt
still sticking out.
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This house had a lot of activity that was unusual
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and we knew that.
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I made peace with that,
I lived with that
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until 2011.
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[crickets chirping]
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[Alice] At 11:30, I was probably
in bed by 12 o' clock.
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And it was
pitch-black dark in here.
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And a light came on
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and I opened my eyes and, uh,
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there was this-- it was light.
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It was a patch of total daylight
from the ceiling to the floor.
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And it was daylight
in this tube of light
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and it was pitch black
in the rest of the room.
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I just stared at it.
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After about 10 seconds, it just went blink, it went out.
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I just covered my head
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and I pulled back the covers
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and I saw there were
like, real bright red
buttons of light.
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I had a flashlight on the bed
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and I shone the flashlight
all around the room
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and uh, there was
nothing unusual.
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And I really did feel watched.
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I felt a presence,
I felt observed.
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I didn't know if it was
a religious experience,
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I didn't know if it was
a UFO experience,
I didn't know what it was.
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It scared me to death.
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That was a turning point
in my life,
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because I decided
that I would not stay here
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by myself at night.
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I never mentioned it
to hardly anybody in this town
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about the paranormal activity
in my house,
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because I wasn't sure
how they would take it.
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It's a-- it's a--
it's in the Bible Belt
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and you know--
and you know, I just-- I didn't
know how they would take it.
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[man] Florence
is a suburb of Jackson,
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the statistical
metropolitan area.
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This is community that's--
that's got good neighbors.
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They probably
pretty much keep to themselves
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and that may be
what makes them good neighbors.
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[woman] I think
the people are real nice.
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If somebody dies,
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uh, everybody
comes and brings food
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and they go to the cemetery
or they go to the funeral halls
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or do what they can for you.
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We're just country.
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Just-- just country.
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[woman] Florence
is a great town,
but it's a southern town.
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Some people are open-minded
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and some people
are very close-minded.
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[Sabrina] Florence is very Bible Belt-ish.
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Bringing in the paranormal
to them is unbelievable.
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[interviewer]
Do you believe in ghosts?
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Uh, believe in what?
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No, I don't.
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[man] I am a Christian, I do believe in the Holy Spirit.
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If y'all-- y'all go stay out
in empty houses all night,
I'll go to bed.
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[Alice] I was all embarrassed,
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because I thought,
you know, I'm just
gonna look like an idiot.
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So, I didn't tell anybody
until it became known enough
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that I knew there were gonna do a little news program on it.
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[male TV reporter]
On the outside, it looks like your typical home,
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but inside
it's anything but normal.
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The candle
just got up and landed.
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It didn't just tipple over
and it didn't shoot over,
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it just kinda
levitated over there.
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[Alice] After that news segment,
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that just kinda validated to me that it was okay to express it,
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because I just kept it inside,
I didn't tell a lot of people.
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But once it was documented,
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I felt perfectly
free then to talk about it.
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And it was really a big moment.
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That kinda made it real for me.
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I think that's when it--
that's when I started being
really open to really--
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I was trying to find
somebody who could--
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or maybe come up
with some explanation.
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I started talking
to a friend ofmine at work
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and she said
she knew a young investigator
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named John Bullard
who might be interested.
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[John] My name's John Bullard.
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I'm a marketing director
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for about 40
different restaurants.
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What got me
into the paranormal is
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ever since I was a little child,
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I would see shadow figures,
I would hear voices.
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I didn't know
if I was crazy or not
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and I wanted
to validate it for myself.
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Uh, I didn't want to validate it for anybody else,
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I just wanted to figure out
that I wasn't crazy.
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And I started doing research
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about the supernatural
and the paranormal.
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And I kinda, you know, over time
wanted to test the waters,
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so I went to supposedly haunted
places to test the waters,
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to see if I could actually
capture something,
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if I could feel something
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or sense something
that I sensed when I was child.
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We accidentally caught an incredible spirit voice EVP,
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electronic voice phenomenon
and that kinda changed me.
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[girl] What is that white out
near the woods, you see that?
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[girl] It is in the woods,
you see it now?
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[girl 2] Oh, no, no, no,
shine closer to it, shine.
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[voice] In here.
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- [John] What the fuck was that?
- [girl] What was that? What?
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Did you say-that place
said "in here?"
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[girl] No.
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[John] Did y'all not--
you didn't hear that?
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[girl] No, I'm sorry.
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[voice] In here.
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[John] There-- there,
did you hear anybody
say, "in here?"
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[girl] Did someone
just say "in here?"
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[John] Did you hear that?
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- [man] Uh, I heard something.
- [girl] John.
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- I'm not fucking kidding.
- [girl] I'm sorry.
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[John] Well, my biggest goal
that I set in my mind was
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to document evidence
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that was clean, clear,
and easy to view.
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[John] Did somebody
just make that noise?
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I was referred
to the Mississippi house
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by a friend of a friend.
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When we pull up to the house,
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you would never think there
was anything really going on
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inside the house.
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So, we were really skeptical,
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but we figured
we'd hear her out.
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Alice told us about the lights
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that she experienced
in the bottom bedroom
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and some other sounds
that she'd heard in the house.
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And just from
the pre-investigation
that we did,
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it really started
to intrigue me.
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Things moved.
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Lights that have turned off.
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It's something different
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than just
a paranormal investigation.
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We have done about nine years,
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it's the longest location that
we have ever done consistently.
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[John] We have a DVR system
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that is filming the house
24 hours a day,
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they try to capture
something else.
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There's definitely
something else out there,
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whether it's a uh,
you know, another world
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or something
that we're tapping into.
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Uh, it's up--
it's up for debate.
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[radio announcer]
I have something
very special for you today.
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We have Brad Cooney.
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Brad is part
of the Mississippi house
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and it is very well-documented
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as a place that is haunted.
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So, tell me a little bit
about the house.
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[Brad] Just about everybody
who we bring in there,
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it just-- it creeps 'em out.
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There's
a different energy in there
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like you-- you mentioned
in your opening.
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It's very well-documented,
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the evidence captured
is amazing.
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Good?
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[Brad] Will you get
that close cobwebs out?
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You see I'm not home so much,
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I didn't realize all those
cobwebs are back there.
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This is really out
of my comfort zone,
this whole thing.
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So, I've lived here
uh, 12 years.
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12 years now and this is
where I do all my-- my podcasts
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and throughout
my boxing journalistic career
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I've accrued quite a few things
in the boxing world
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writing for magazines
and writing for boxing websites.
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I've-- I've met just about
everybody there is
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that's anybody
in the boxing world.
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h, Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya,
Floyd Mayweather.
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I don't go to the fights anymore
though, I don't cover it,
I did it for a lot of years.
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It was just time to start
another chapter.
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I got into the paranormal
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uh, in-- in-- in--
standing in this very room,
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watched TV one day
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and a segment
that a local news broadcaster
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did on Miss Alice's house
caught my attention.
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I stopped what I was doing,
I started watching it
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and realized
it was really close,
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so I reached out to that homeowner and her friend that was also on that segment.
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'Cause it was
really interesting to me,
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especially how close it was.
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It was like wow, usually
you hear something's haunted
or whatever
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or whatever it might be
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it's a long drive, but this was
so close to where I live.
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So, I would be interested
and it would be
really interesting for me
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to uh, to see
if they'll have me in there
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and take a look around.
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So that's all,
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that's how I started
getting into the paranormal.
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And it just took off from there.
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[Brad] I met Alice and when
she told me her story,
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I believed her, instantly.
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In fact,
the first day I came here,
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we had-- we had some
activity happen in the house
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which really piqued my interest
up at that point.
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- [Brad] Actually, they said
- [Alice] You see that?
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It was coming towards the stairs
and it went--
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- out the door-- ooh, ooh, ooh.
- [Alice] Look at that there.
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[Brad] The next week
I came back again,
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I captured some more evidence
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um, that I felt
I couldn't explain.
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[Brad] And it-- it just
blossomed from there.
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We had major equipment failure,
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because of spirit activity
all up in this sucker.
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But this is a REM pod
that's going nuts.
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I learned some of the stuff
through research,
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trying things.
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Then I got to where
I would buy some equipment.
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It's-- it's kind of how
I learned how to investigate.
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Brad Cooney came along
a few years ago
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and really helped out
to what we were doing
in the Mississippi house.
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[John] It's good to get two investigators who are separate,
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who originally never
knew each other,
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who'd come together and
are experiencing the same
things in the house.
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[Brad] This is my--
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I'm beginning my third year
investigating this house.
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Once I think I figured
something out,
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something else happens.
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Some things I've
debunked in-- in the home,
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but many things I--
I can't debunk
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and that in itself is--
is why I keep doing this.
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Because there's things that
happen here that I just simply--
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I can't figure out
why it's happening.
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[Brad] Wait,
that's gotta be somebody.
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[knocks on the furniture]
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[bumps into the furniture]
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[Brad] Ask for somebody that--
ask if anyone's in there?
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[Don] Man.
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[Brad] That might've been
the most profound noises
we've ever heard in here.
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[Don] Wow.
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[Brad] During
our investigations,
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we've heard voices
in this house.
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Doors open.
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We've seen light shut off.
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So, we would start asking,
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you shut that light off again?"
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And we've actually
gotten direct responses
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to where the light
would shut off.
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[Brad] Can you make any noise
or do something for us
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that will tell us
that we're not alone in here?
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[woman] Which one in here?
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[Brad] He said the black
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[woman] Is this? Oh!
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[Brad] Oh my God,
will you look at
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[woman] And it's on camera.
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[Brad] The chandelier just
shut off by itself.
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We believe it's possible that
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spirit activity,
spirits that hear us
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are communicating with us.
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And we try to, get as much as we can for possibly a breakthrough.
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[John] So, I do feel like we are
teaching the spirits to
communicate with us.
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I feel like we are teaching
the dead
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inside the house of Mississippi
how to communicate with us.
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[John] Please.
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I feel
your static-charged energy,
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turn it up for me, please.
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There we go.
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- [John] There we go!
- [Brad] There we go.
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[John] We use a lot of trigger
objects inside the house.
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We started putting
a baseball or two baseballs
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on the staircase
in the Mississippi house.
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And for a while
we set 'em up there
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and obviously, we tried to
communicate to the spirits
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that we wanted them
to move the baseball,
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to roll it down the stairs.
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We want nothing more than to
hear the baseball bounce down those stairs and hit the floor.
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[Brad] That baseball
sat idle for days.
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But then one day
just decided to up and move,
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and fall down
the steps by itself.
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[dramatic music]
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[John] Since then it's happened
several times.
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[Brad] What the hell's going
on in this house?
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Why do things move that
aren't supposed to move?
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Things defy physics.
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I want answers.
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What happens when we die?
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Is there a-- does our-- do we
retain our consciousness
when we cross over and--
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and this is what we're hearing and seeing in-- in this house.
301
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The ball moving has intrigued
me the most.
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That's something' that I'm
really hungry to find out why.
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Why is that ball moving?
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Is there something' behind it?
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Why? I have no idea why
this is happening.
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Let's bring in
somebody who might,
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I think that's very,
very important.
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[contractor]
Let's see what we got.
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What this does,
it holds a level point,
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this is what we're gonna
shoot from.
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Zero.
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Side to side, it's level.
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There might be a little
slope up here, but...
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[Alice] Where? Up there, yeah.
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[Scott] I couldn't see why
it would roll down there. Okay.
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[Alice] I am happy to know
the-- the slope,
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because we do have
our doors open and close.
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And uh, so it's not from, you
know, 'cause somebody might say,
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"Oh, it's 'cause your house
is not level." No.
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Or if the ball rolls, "Maybe
it's 'cause your house is not
level." No.
321
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No, but what's crazy is your
house has been level since...
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- Since a long time ago.
- '06.
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- '06, uh-huh.
- Yeah,
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the measurements
are still the same.
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Yeah.
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[Alice] I hope that
by bringing experts in
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that there will be some
discoveries made
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that will be
important to us all.
329
00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:31,317
How can objects move that have
no apparent energy source?
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There's obviously an answer,
but we don't know it.
331
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There's some sort
of convergence of energy here
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that we can't explain.
333
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So, in my opinion all that's
working fine
334
00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:21,845
to the chandelier
and these lights.
335
00:21:22,585 --> 00:21:24,065
And I checked the breaker,
336
00:21:24,108 --> 00:21:28,156
the breaker's shutting it off
and good voltage there.
337
00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:32,203
This dimmer here,
it works fine.
338
00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:35,381
Uh, sometimes
the dimmers would go bad
339
00:21:35,424 --> 00:21:38,862
and make it, you know,
go dimmer.
340
00:21:38,906 --> 00:21:41,561
But that seems to
be working fine.
341
00:21:41,604 --> 00:21:44,041
At this time, I'm not finding
anything wrong with it.
342
00:21:44,999 --> 00:21:50,439
So, I'm not seeing anything
out of the ordinary.
343
00:21:51,048 --> 00:21:52,920
I would-- I mean I would've
liked to have seen it
344
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doing what it would,
y'all said it did though.
345
00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:57,011
That would be interesting to me.
346
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I think electricals' fine,
there's nothing wrong with it.
347
00:22:00,928 --> 00:22:03,626
I think you-- you're looking
at something else.
348
00:22:09,023 --> 00:22:11,678
[John] So, when you stopped,
after the lights happened,
349
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you decided, "I'm not gonna stay
here anymore."
350
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Did you think about it
when you weren't here?
351
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The first few nights you didn't
stay at the house,
352
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were you kinda wondering
what was going on?
353
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Did you think about coming back
354
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and trying to stay
at the house again?
355
00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:25,387
- Or after you
made the decision
- No.
356
00:22:25,431 --> 00:22:26,693
[John] That was it?
357
00:22:26,736 --> 00:22:28,695
No, that was-- that
was clear cut.
358
00:22:28,738 --> 00:22:30,653
I'm outta there. Yeah.
359
00:22:30,697 --> 00:22:34,265
Because-- because I thought
nobody could help me.
360
00:22:34,309 --> 00:22:36,355
I mean, if you're here
and something',
361
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:38,792
if there's an intelligence
that's greater than you
362
00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:40,576
and they have these abilities
that are greater than you,
363
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:42,012
you know you're gone
and nobody--
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nobody's gonna be able to help.
365
00:22:43,492 --> 00:22:46,582
No, but I mean you could tell
the-- the real fear,
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00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:48,889
because again you know
367
00:22:48,932 --> 00:22:51,718
It's one of those things you
don't talk a lot about, you
know especially in the South.
368
00:22:51,761 --> 00:22:53,241
But when it gets to the point
369
00:22:53,284 --> 00:22:54,851
where you wanna reach out to
somebody,
370
00:22:54,895 --> 00:22:55,939
which I'm glad you did
371
00:22:57,593 --> 00:23:00,553
Uh, because we uncovered
a whole mountain of stuff,
you know.
372
00:23:00,596 --> 00:23:04,818
I think there's times that we
could push ourselves.
373
00:23:04,861 --> 00:23:07,081
But this house sometimes
is so intense
374
00:23:07,124 --> 00:23:08,517
I have to back away.
375
00:23:08,561 --> 00:23:10,432
There's only so much
I can take, you know?
376
00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:13,957
I-- I-- I have a passion for
this field, documentation, but
377
00:23:14,001 --> 00:23:16,873
this house will push you to uh,
a whole another limit.
378
00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:19,093
Well, you brought up a great
point about--
379
00:23:19,136 --> 00:23:21,443
'cause people have
asked you and me also,
380
00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:24,315
"Why would you be scared
if you've been there
so many times?"
381
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,754
It's because we've experienced
what this house can do.
382
00:23:27,797 --> 00:23:30,365
And when you're in this house
by yourself, when it's dark, l
383
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:32,106
ights are off, door's locked...
384
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:34,064
- [Brad] Yep.
- It's a different ballgame.
385
00:23:34,108 --> 00:23:37,067
Well, it's interesting that you
know, it took the lights
386
00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:39,330
to be the tipping point
for you to reach out
387
00:23:39,374 --> 00:23:42,072
and actually express it
and start getting people
in here to help you.
388
00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:43,726
I mean, maybe somebody else
has experienced that,
389
00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:46,337
maybe somebody else
understands what it might be.
390
00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:52,343
[phone ringing]
391
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:59,438
[Alice's voice over the phone]
392
00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:23,462
[Steve]
So, I was invited by Alice
393
00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:25,638
to come
and investigate her house.
394
00:24:25,681 --> 00:24:27,640
At first,
I was a little hesitant,
395
00:24:27,683 --> 00:24:29,032
but I talked to her
on the phone
396
00:24:29,076 --> 00:24:31,774
and something really
is troubling her.
397
00:24:31,818 --> 00:24:34,560
You know, I could just tell
how sincere she was
398
00:24:34,603 --> 00:24:37,040
and how much
this house scared her.
399
00:24:37,084 --> 00:24:39,303
I mean, the fact that it's been 10 years
400
00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:41,088
and she hasn't slept
in the house.
401
00:24:41,131 --> 00:24:44,265
And the fact that she's opened
it up to other people
402
00:24:44,308 --> 00:24:46,702
trying to figure out
what is happening here.
403
00:24:46,746 --> 00:24:50,097
And they showed me a lot of things that I couldn't explain.
404
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:52,447
There may be something
paranormal happening,
405
00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,058
but it
could be anything, you know?
406
00:24:55,102 --> 00:24:56,799
But I wanna start checking
things off.
407
00:24:56,843 --> 00:24:58,148
"Okay, no, it's not this."
408
00:24:58,192 --> 00:25:00,803
And I wanna help them get
to the bottom of it.
409
00:25:18,821 --> 00:25:20,910
- [Steve] Hi, Alice.
- How are you doing?
410
00:25:20,954 --> 00:25:22,521
- [Steve] How are you?
- Good.
411
00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:24,392
- [Steve] It's nice to see you.
- Aww, it's good to see you.
412
00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:26,437
- [Steve] Thank you.
- [Alice] It really is.
413
00:25:26,481 --> 00:25:28,570
Uh, I have some uh,
people here and
414
00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:29,745
- Hey, y'all.
- ...we're ready to do this.
415
00:25:35,882 --> 00:25:37,840
[Steve] John and Brad realized
416
00:25:37,884 --> 00:25:40,800
that they've sort of done
about all that they can.
417
00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:46,588
Now it's time to step in and
bring it to the next level.
418
00:25:48,721 --> 00:25:51,985
It's time to bring in some--
some other people.
419
00:25:53,073 --> 00:25:55,597
I got
all of these different experts
420
00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:57,904
to come together
and get answers.
421
00:26:19,229 --> 00:26:20,448
[Morgan] Millions of years ago,
422
00:26:20,491 --> 00:26:22,929
when the dinosaurs
walked the Earth,
423
00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:25,496
this area was actually
the bottom of the shallow sea.
424
00:26:27,107 --> 00:26:29,849
If you find
a dinosaur bone in Mississippi,
425
00:26:29,892 --> 00:26:32,068
it's not gonna be
a land-based dinosaur.
426
00:26:32,112 --> 00:26:35,028
In fact,
it's a huge prehistoric whale
427
00:26:35,071 --> 00:26:36,943
in the Mississippi
science museum.
428
00:26:37,813 --> 00:26:40,773
All this life settles to the
bottom
429
00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:43,602
and over the eons
becomes limestone.
430
00:26:44,733 --> 00:26:49,390
Florence was an early area
of mining for this limestone.
431
00:26:53,089 --> 00:26:55,222
[John] The house is not
an 1800s house,
432
00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:57,006
the house was built in the '90s.
433
00:26:58,573 --> 00:27:01,271
And even at the construction
of the house,
434
00:27:01,315 --> 00:27:03,317
she already had
experiences going on.
435
00:27:03,883 --> 00:27:06,886
To me, I would assume
that something'
associated with the land
436
00:27:06,929 --> 00:27:08,627
and not necessarily the house.
437
00:27:29,996 --> 00:27:33,042
I'm Qilin Dai from Jackson
State University,
438
00:27:33,086 --> 00:27:35,436
assistant
professor of physics.
439
00:27:35,479 --> 00:27:38,918
There is a theory out
there that limestone
440
00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:42,530
...can perhaps
retain energy and release it.
441
00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:46,708
Uh, would that be something
that's possible in your opinion?
442
00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:48,362
[Qilin] I think
it's very possible.
443
00:27:48,405 --> 00:27:51,060
Limestone and mineral-- other
minerals,
444
00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:53,236
they can absorb energy.
445
00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:56,152
The simplest way
for a lime or rock
446
00:27:56,196 --> 00:27:58,328
to absorb energy
is the heat,
447
00:27:58,372 --> 00:27:59,721
so they can be heated,
448
00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:02,985
so then they have
this energy, thermo energy.
449
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:05,074
And then they can deliver this
energy,
450
00:28:05,118 --> 00:28:07,337
so energy can be
transported through them.
451
00:28:07,903 --> 00:28:09,557
[Steve] Do you think that--
452
00:28:10,427 --> 00:28:13,866
anything
like underground water
453
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:18,435
or moving water
could create a static charge?
454
00:28:18,479 --> 00:28:20,046
Is that even a possibility?
455
00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:22,222
[Qilin] With water
underground the earth
456
00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:23,789
cannot create any charges.
457
00:28:23,832 --> 00:28:28,141
Maybe because of lighting
something from nature,
458
00:28:28,184 --> 00:28:29,838
it can be charged,
459
00:28:29,882 --> 00:28:32,493
but they cannot create
new charges.
460
00:28:32,536 --> 00:28:33,842
So, this is law.
461
00:28:33,886 --> 00:28:37,063
Okay. As you can see here,
462
00:28:37,106 --> 00:28:40,022
and this is a--
a ball here and um
463
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:42,590
- and...
- Where is the ball?
464
00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:43,896
See that little circle
right there?
465
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:45,201
- Oh, I see it, I see it.
- Yeah.
466
00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:47,464
And what happens a lot of the
time
467
00:28:47,508 --> 00:28:49,858
is it will propel forward
468
00:28:49,902 --> 00:28:55,211
and just start to fall
down the stairs.
469
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,953
And, in your opinion,
470
00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:02,915
would it be possible
that energy could do that?
471
00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:04,046
It's not earthquake?
472
00:29:05,134 --> 00:29:06,788
That was my first
thought. It was
473
00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:08,050
Yeah, it's a
474
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:11,619
[Michael] Michael Dennin,
475
00:29:11,662 --> 00:29:13,447
I am the Vice Provost
for teaching and
learning here at UC Irvine.
476
00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:19,453
So, it's really interesting
footage like this
477
00:29:19,496 --> 00:29:20,846
where you have like a ball.
478
00:29:20,889 --> 00:29:22,586
In this case, there's a ball in
the stairs
479
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:24,501
and then it suddenly moves and rolls down the stairs.
480
00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:25,764
First of all, it's a ball,
481
00:29:25,807 --> 00:29:28,027
so that's kind of makes it
a little easier,
482
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:29,506
'cause those do roll.
483
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:31,987
Um, the challenge is figuring
out
484
00:29:32,031 --> 00:29:33,946
what would've kicked or got
the ball rolling.
485
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:37,427
The dramatic part is simply
that the ball starts it all.
486
00:29:37,471 --> 00:29:39,690
Being on stairs, once it gets
going,
487
00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:40,996
it's gonna fall down the
stairs
488
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,303
and that part is pretty
straightforward.
489
00:29:43,346 --> 00:29:45,435
This is a bit of a challenge.
490
00:29:45,479 --> 00:29:47,873
You can't deny that
the ball moved.
491
00:29:48,961 --> 00:29:51,702
I can speculate,
I can say things like,
492
00:29:51,746 --> 00:29:53,661
"There's a little bit
of shaking in the house."
493
00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:55,576
Some wind you didn't notice.
494
00:29:55,619 --> 00:29:57,970
Which is harder to believe, 'cause winds hardly move a ball.
495
00:29:58,013 --> 00:30:00,537
There's a lot of ways I can imagine if I wanted to fool you,
496
00:30:00,581 --> 00:30:02,583
I could certainly set up ways
497
00:30:02,626 --> 00:30:04,150
that a ball would move with
nobody home.
498
00:30:04,193 --> 00:30:08,328
If the ball is made of iron and
then they have the uh...
499
00:30:08,371 --> 00:30:09,851
- [Steve] Magnet.
- Magnet.
500
00:30:09,895 --> 00:30:12,941
To attract or you know,
repel that--
501
00:30:12,985 --> 00:30:16,162
- that is come different
story for this.
- I see.
502
00:30:16,205 --> 00:30:17,728
[Steve] So, you think if the--
503
00:30:17,772 --> 00:30:20,862
maybe
it's more trickery than
504
00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:21,820
[Qilin] Yeah.
505
00:30:33,309 --> 00:30:35,311
[Steve] I bet
air will do a little bit.
506
00:30:37,705 --> 00:30:38,967
[Brad] There's no breeze
507
00:30:39,011 --> 00:30:41,100
coming through
this house that's this powerful?
508
00:30:41,143 --> 00:30:42,057
[Alice] No.
509
00:30:49,064 --> 00:30:51,458
[Qilin] A ball
can move by itself
510
00:30:51,501 --> 00:30:55,114
maybe we could not see
the uh, force,
511
00:30:55,157 --> 00:30:56,811
for example like air.
512
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:59,901
We cannot see the air, but we
can prove there are air there.
513
00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:01,598
[Qilin] We could not
see the motion,
514
00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:04,601
but we can see the results,
we can see it's moving.
515
00:31:04,645 --> 00:31:07,039
As a scientist, I don't
believe ghosts at all.
516
00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:08,867
I believe science.
517
00:31:12,131 --> 00:31:15,525
[Michael] Without it being
a complete hoax,
518
00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:17,745
how would you explain
something like this?
519
00:31:17,788 --> 00:31:21,705
I know ultimately the end result
is a physics action,
520
00:31:21,749 --> 00:31:24,447
like the ball starts moving,
521
00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:28,277
so the immediate cause of that
also has to be a physics action.
522
00:31:28,321 --> 00:31:30,062
I-- I do think it--
523
00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:35,284
it's not air, it's not wind, uh,
it's certainly not magnet.
524
00:31:35,328 --> 00:31:38,200
[Brad] I-- I think we could
check under the stairs maybe.
525
00:31:45,773 --> 00:31:47,209
[Steve] There's no holes here.
526
00:31:52,127 --> 00:31:53,476
Do you wanna see what happens
527
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,305
if I give it
a bit of punch up here?
528
00:31:56,349 --> 00:31:58,394
- [man] Yeah.
- See if the ball moves maybe.
529
00:31:58,438 --> 00:31:59,656
[man] Go ahead.
530
00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:08,970
[Steve] Anything?
531
00:32:09,014 --> 00:32:10,972
[man] Nothing,
it's not even moving.
532
00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:13,018
[Michael] If you
really were there,
533
00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:16,717
I guess rule out what
I would call,
"the trivial physical cases",
534
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,850
and rule out the-- the
cases of hoaxes,
535
00:32:19,894 --> 00:32:22,114
then you're into this interesting realm of,
536
00:32:22,157 --> 00:32:23,985
"Okay, something physical
caused it,
537
00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:25,900
but what caused that physical?"
538
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:28,903
Most ideas of a ghost
539
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:31,427
involve the ghost
being non-physical
540
00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:32,994
in some fundamental way.
541
00:32:33,038 --> 00:32:35,301
Any paranormal explanation
542
00:32:35,344 --> 00:32:37,433
is still going to involve
543
00:32:37,477 --> 00:32:40,306
something applying a force to
the ball.
544
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,351
And so therefore,
545
00:32:42,395 --> 00:32:44,397
the thing applying
the force by definition,
546
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,876
we've just made it
physical.
547
00:32:46,442 --> 00:32:48,401
So, it's just an interesting
conundrum
548
00:32:48,444 --> 00:32:51,578
that, to me, moves it
from science to detective story.
549
00:32:57,192 --> 00:32:59,934
[Brad] In the years
that I've been here,
550
00:33:00,935 --> 00:33:02,763
I want to experience
some lights.
551
00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:04,983
I've seen
so many things in this house
552
00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:07,986
and with my own eyes,
553
00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:11,772
but that's what I wanna--
that's what I wanna see.
554
00:33:12,338 --> 00:33:13,730
Those lights that you saw.
555
00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:16,777
We got all kinds
of just great stuff
556
00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:21,042
and just stuff that's just
direct responses and it's--
it's fully intelligent.
557
00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:22,652
You know, it's not residual,
558
00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:25,264
it's intelligent stuff happening
in the house,
559
00:33:25,307 --> 00:33:27,135
but there's that
carrot that's dangling
560
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:28,571
- [Brad] Like the Holy Grail
- [John] Those lights
561
00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:31,052
The Holy Grail of what we're
trying to capture here
562
00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:32,923
is those-- those--
the lights that Alice saw.
563
00:33:32,967 --> 00:33:33,924
[John] Yeah.
564
00:33:37,711 --> 00:33:38,929
[John] Over the years,
565
00:33:38,973 --> 00:33:41,323
I've experienced
one thing with lights.
566
00:33:43,151 --> 00:33:45,719
[John] So, I was upstairs in the
bedroom at the Mississippi house
567
00:33:45,762 --> 00:33:48,200
with the door closed, we were
doing an EVP session.
568
00:33:48,243 --> 00:33:50,028
It was me and one fellow
investigator.
569
00:33:51,681 --> 00:33:54,336
[John] And the bottom frame
of the door
570
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:55,990
turned bright white
571
00:33:57,296 --> 00:33:59,907
and it was
almost like a camera shutter,
572
00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:01,778
two to three flashes of light.
573
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:07,262
I sat there, kind of, in
awe for a few minutes.
574
00:34:07,306 --> 00:34:10,570
It was not raining, there was no thunder, the night was clear.
575
00:34:10,613 --> 00:34:13,051
I opened the door and it
never happened again.
576
00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:15,488
We luckily did capture
that on film.
577
00:34:20,188 --> 00:34:22,190
[Brad] Miss Alice has had
experiences with the lights,
578
00:34:22,234 --> 00:34:24,932
the-- these are the-- the lights
that have scared her
579
00:34:24,975 --> 00:34:27,543
to where she doesn't want to-- to live in this house anymore.
580
00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:33,071
I personally don't feel that's
a spirit activity or a ghost,
581
00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:34,550
I think
that's something different.
582
00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:37,379
Perhaps, extra-terrestrial.
583
00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:41,775
It's something different going
on with those lights.
584
00:34:43,472 --> 00:34:46,127
There is a woman who lives
7 miles from me,
585
00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:47,389
she's an elderly lady
586
00:34:47,433 --> 00:34:49,391
and so this happened
when she was a child,
587
00:34:49,435 --> 00:34:53,569
but she said that
her house lit up in a globe.
588
00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:55,136
And she said it was brighter
than the sun,
589
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:56,572
I remember that--
that expression.
590
00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:01,490
Many years ago,
591
00:35:01,534 --> 00:35:03,492
when I lived-- when I worked in
Florence,
592
00:35:03,536 --> 00:35:06,147
Alice was in and out
of the library
where I worked a lot,
593
00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:07,409
'cause she lived close by.
594
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:11,196
And I was telling her about this
light that I saw
595
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,980
when I was
growing up
596
00:35:13,023 --> 00:35:14,982
right down in this
community.
597
00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:17,289
And I was asleep at night
598
00:35:17,332 --> 00:35:19,900
and I was awake, just fla--
599
00:35:19,943 --> 00:35:25,166
you know, flash and my--
my light in my bedroom
600
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:28,909
was lighter than--
well, it was just a white light.
601
00:35:28,952 --> 00:35:31,259
A clear white brilliant light.
602
00:35:31,303 --> 00:35:33,653
[Jerry] Flash bulb bright.
603
00:35:33,696 --> 00:35:36,699
- Yeah, something like that.
- It's just super, super bright.
604
00:35:36,743 --> 00:35:39,659
The trees and the house
on the hill and everything
605
00:35:39,702 --> 00:35:41,095
[Jerry] Brilliant, brilliant
606
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,053
Was just brilliant,
brilliant light.
607
00:35:43,619 --> 00:35:45,099
It just faded away.
608
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,101
And I just went back to bed
and went back to sleep.
609
00:35:47,971 --> 00:35:50,278
You know, it's just-- there's
too much space
610
00:35:51,366 --> 00:35:52,759
to be the only
ones here.
611
00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:56,763
[Jeanette] She didn't know
what that is in her house
612
00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:58,895
and I don't know what
that was at my house.
613
00:36:00,288 --> 00:36:02,377
It's strange, I-- you know,
614
00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:04,771
it-- it's really strange.
615
00:36:07,426 --> 00:36:09,558
[Steve] The woman that I spoke
to you about Alice Jackson.
616
00:36:09,602 --> 00:36:10,907
Uh-huh, yes, yeah.
617
00:36:10,951 --> 00:36:14,041
[Steve] Uh, she'd said that
in her bedroom...
618
00:36:14,084 --> 00:36:19,046
there was a glowing light
and then disappeared.
619
00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:20,395
In-- in your opinion,
620
00:36:20,439 --> 00:36:23,311
is there anything
in terms of energy, science,
621
00:36:23,355 --> 00:36:28,534
things that are happening
that could create an
illuminated ball of light.
622
00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:31,232
A light cannot happen
spontaneously,
623
00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:35,062
it has to have
origin to have this light.
624
00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:37,630
If we have like other light,
625
00:36:37,673 --> 00:36:40,763
maybe reflection
from window or from other place,
626
00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:42,287
it's possible
to have that.
627
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:45,986
Or they have other energy
transfer to become light.
628
00:36:46,029 --> 00:36:49,772
Like uh, thermal energy,
electric energy,
629
00:36:49,816 --> 00:36:51,948
so it's kind of
a complicated question
630
00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:53,428
to-- to
be answered simply.
631
00:36:55,343 --> 00:36:57,998
[Walt] There's a phenomenon in nature called "St. Elmo's fire",
632
00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:01,393
which is a static electricity
discharge.
633
00:37:01,436 --> 00:37:03,917
If you have a build-up of static electricity for some reason,
634
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,527
yeah, it can cause a glow.
635
00:37:05,571 --> 00:37:08,356
Uh, especially if it has some
kind of medium to act on it.
636
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,924
Sometimes, all it takes
is just dust in the air.
637
00:37:11,968 --> 00:37:14,580
If it were a ball of lightning
she was seeing in her house,
638
00:37:14,623 --> 00:37:16,146
she wouldn't have to ask,
639
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:17,626
because it would tear
something up,
640
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:19,846
because this is a lot of
energy, that's very destructive.
641
00:37:21,674 --> 00:37:23,893
[Michael] Strange lights are
often the easiest
642
00:37:23,937 --> 00:37:25,286
to offer different
explanations to
643
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,723
of all physics
phenomenon.
644
00:37:27,767 --> 00:37:30,030
Light is the most flexible
in a weird way.
645
00:37:30,073 --> 00:37:32,989
The challenge is often
recreating them
646
00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:35,601
or figuring out
exactly what did it, um,
647
00:37:35,644 --> 00:37:37,777
at a level that would make
someone confident
648
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:39,953
that it really was
just a physics effect.
649
00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:45,785
If I knew that it was-- had a
natural explanation,
650
00:37:45,828 --> 00:37:48,744
you know like, you know,
I've heard now various theories
651
00:37:48,788 --> 00:37:50,224
about what
could cause lights
652
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,357
and if somebody definitively
said,
653
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,621
"Oh, it's the minerals
and salt, something, you know,
654
00:37:55,664 --> 00:37:57,405
the natural
that's causing the lights."
655
00:37:57,449 --> 00:37:59,364
Then I would
immediately not be afraid.
656
00:37:59,407 --> 00:38:02,367
But uh, since that hasn't
happened,
657
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,412
it might be UFO stuff,
658
00:38:04,456 --> 00:38:07,328
it might be you know, some sort
of inter-dimensional stuff
659
00:38:07,372 --> 00:38:11,158
that was from some civilization
that was more advanced
than we are.
660
00:38:11,201 --> 00:38:12,681
And so, in the beginning,
661
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:17,382
you thought they were
extra-terrestrial, UFOs?
662
00:38:17,425 --> 00:38:18,861
It-- it crossed my mind.
663
00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:20,167
It really did cross my mind,
664
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:22,300
that was
the very first thing I thought.
665
00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:25,825
I have never seen anything
that I can reconcile this with
in my history, you know,
666
00:38:25,868 --> 00:38:27,435
reading or anything
667
00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:29,872
except maybe all the stuff
that I had heard about
UFO stuff.
668
00:38:29,916 --> 00:38:31,918
You know, beams of light
and people disappearing.
669
00:38:45,018 --> 00:38:50,240
[Calvin] My name's Calvin Parker
and I was abducted in 1973.
670
00:38:50,284 --> 00:38:52,025
October, 1973.
671
00:38:52,982 --> 00:38:55,637
It was just over here, uh,
672
00:38:55,681 --> 00:38:58,771
length of a football field and
back that way.
673
00:38:59,598 --> 00:39:01,469
And that's where it sat down
674
00:39:01,513 --> 00:39:04,733
and when it originally sat down
on a space in the river.
675
00:39:04,777 --> 00:39:07,606
And I could see the blue lights
coming over my shoulder.
676
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,305
When they stopped
and it opened up
677
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,699
and then
a real bright light come out.
678
00:39:14,613 --> 00:39:17,659
Three robot-looking
creatures came out.
679
00:39:18,268 --> 00:39:20,401
Two of 'em got hold of my sail.
680
00:39:20,445 --> 00:39:23,012
Took us aboard,
gave us an examination.
681
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:28,844
I didn't know what a UFO was or an alien was till this happened.
682
00:39:28,888 --> 00:39:31,281
And I still don't know
that it was aliens.
683
00:39:31,325 --> 00:39:34,372
It could've been something from an inter-dimension you know,
684
00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:35,460
travelled through.
685
00:39:35,503 --> 00:39:36,722
I hadn't ruled that out.
686
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,595
All I know is something
happened.
687
00:39:47,689 --> 00:39:49,604
Certainly, for modern physics,
688
00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:53,956
we do believe that the world is
multi-dimensional.
689
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,003
More than just the three
dimensions of space
we move through
690
00:39:57,046 --> 00:39:59,266
and the one dimension of time.
691
00:39:59,309 --> 00:40:01,399
Most of what
we understand about physics
692
00:40:01,442 --> 00:40:05,054
is probably best-explained
with extra dimensions.
693
00:40:05,098 --> 00:40:07,753
It becomes interesting to try
and figure out and understand
694
00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:11,452
what that means for things like
multi-dimensional beings
695
00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:14,281
and how different thing
interact with our reality.
696
00:40:14,324 --> 00:40:17,676
And we're not even at the
beginning
from a physics point of view
697
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,547
to make statements or
understand about that.
698
00:40:19,591 --> 00:40:21,375
I think that's an area of
physics
699
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:24,422
that we're gonna find
fascinating in the future.
700
00:40:25,248 --> 00:40:27,947
[Steve]
I do think that the potential
701
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:31,733
of extraterrestrial life
is there.
702
00:40:31,777 --> 00:40:34,562
Do I think it's in
Alice's bedroom?
703
00:40:34,606 --> 00:40:37,173
No, I definitely
don't think she is,
704
00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:40,002
you know, waiting for the
next alien visit.
705
00:40:40,046 --> 00:40:42,309
But something scared her
706
00:40:42,352 --> 00:40:45,660
and that's what
we're trying to figure out.
707
00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:47,401
What is it?
708
00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:50,448
I think it's something
paranormal.
709
00:40:50,491 --> 00:40:55,453
This is something ghostly, this is something of our world.
710
00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:59,761
I don't think it's anything that has to do with outer space,
711
00:40:59,805 --> 00:41:02,416
UFOs or extraterrestrials.
712
00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:10,511
[Brad] We are recording.
You ready?
713
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,514
- [Alice] You have everything?
- [John] I was born ready.
714
00:41:17,562 --> 00:41:20,303
[Brad] Let me just make sure
this bad boy is still...
715
00:41:20,347 --> 00:41:23,524
[John] We're here tonight
to communicate
716
00:41:23,568 --> 00:41:25,787
with any spirit
that's in this house.
717
00:41:28,311 --> 00:41:30,313
We've been here
for a long time.
718
00:41:31,314 --> 00:41:33,403
We've logged a lot of
hours in this house.
719
00:41:33,926 --> 00:41:36,711
Any intelligent spirit
that's in this house tonight,
720
00:41:37,799 --> 00:41:41,194
we want you to come down here
and communicate with us.
721
00:41:42,151 --> 00:41:43,675
And make yourself known.
722
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:52,945
There's devices to alarm to let
us know that you're near us.
723
00:41:54,947 --> 00:41:56,601
We want you to come down here
724
00:41:58,646 --> 00:42:01,170
and just like you have
many times before
725
00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:05,523
let us know that you're here,
let us feel your energy.
726
00:42:11,964 --> 00:42:14,227
[Brad] I might've
just saw a light dim.
727
00:42:15,141 --> 00:42:17,709
[Sabrina] It's the REM pod.
REM pod's going off.
728
00:42:17,752 --> 00:42:19,537
[Brad] Chandelier light dim
right before that.
729
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:22,801
Just by a few seconds.
730
00:42:22,844 --> 00:42:24,846
[John] Don't worry about the MV.
731
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:26,805
- [Sabrina] Oh, we got
a REM pod going here.
- [Brad] The REM pod over here?
732
00:42:26,848 --> 00:42:29,068
[Ilene] All right, y'all go
ahead, I'll stay in here
and watch this one.
733
00:42:29,111 --> 00:42:30,548
[John] Steady.
734
00:42:30,591 --> 00:42:32,811
[long bip]
735
00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:34,769
[Sabrina] This one is off.
736
00:42:36,031 --> 00:42:37,337
It was steady.
737
00:42:39,774 --> 00:42:41,515
See, I have to see patterns.
738
00:42:42,211 --> 00:42:43,822
If all three REM pods goes off,
739
00:42:44,649 --> 00:42:47,652
I'm a little more interested
in this one where
REM pod goin' off.
740
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:50,393
[Brad] I'd like to see
like the light go off
741
00:42:50,437 --> 00:42:52,613
and the REM pod to go
off at the same time.
742
00:42:52,657 --> 00:42:54,267
That'd be much more
convincing for me.
743
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:55,616
[Sabrina] Yeah.
That'd be pretty awesome.
744
00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:04,103
[John] We're trying
to understand and
help you communicate
745
00:43:04,146 --> 00:43:06,279
throughout
the years we've been here.
746
00:43:07,236 --> 00:43:08,673
[strong bips]
747
00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:10,239
[Ilene] Oh, we've got REM
pods everywhere.
748
00:43:10,283 --> 00:43:11,980
[Sabrina] Oh!
Oh, all of 'em are going off.
749
00:43:12,024 --> 00:43:13,678
- We got one at the mantel.
- [Sabrina] We got
a big one here.
750
00:43:13,721 --> 00:43:15,593
One on the stairs,
um, I don't know.
751
00:43:18,987 --> 00:43:20,598
Brad, anything back
here going on?
752
00:43:20,641 --> 00:43:22,164
[Brad] Just the REM pod.
753
00:43:22,208 --> 00:43:23,383
- You have the REM pod too?
- [Sabrina] Another REM pod.
754
00:43:23,426 --> 00:43:24,776
[Ilene] All three of 'em
were going off.
755
00:43:24,819 --> 00:43:27,039
[Brad] So, all three just went
off at the same time?
756
00:43:28,083 --> 00:43:29,128
- [Sabrina] There it goes again.
- [Brad] Which is pretty cool,
757
00:43:29,171 --> 00:43:30,433
because I'd--
I'd mentioned before
758
00:43:30,477 --> 00:43:32,000
about wanting to see
all three of 'em go off.
759
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,568
[Ilene] And yellow and green.
760
00:43:35,177 --> 00:43:37,658
[John] I can't get a center sell
without it going off, huh?
761
00:43:37,702 --> 00:43:39,094
[Alice] Yeah.
762
00:43:39,138 --> 00:43:41,488
- [Brad] Is that all?
- [Alice] Yeah, that's where
763
00:43:41,531 --> 00:43:43,664
[Brad] Yeah,
I'll just shut my mouth.
764
00:43:43,708 --> 00:43:47,146
It's a little more interesting
to me for sure when all these
devices go off.
765
00:43:47,842 --> 00:43:49,844
However, I'm still
not 100% sold.
766
00:43:52,717 --> 00:43:55,415
[John] We use
some uh, devices and
767
00:43:55,458 --> 00:43:57,678
uh, they measure energy.
768
00:43:57,722 --> 00:44:00,333
And uh, we had one set up
in the living room,
769
00:44:00,376 --> 00:44:02,465
one in the back bedroom,
one in the stairs.
770
00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:04,729
We wanted to separate 'em
as much as possible.
771
00:44:04,772 --> 00:44:07,383
Uh, and we do that so
there's consistency.
772
00:44:07,427 --> 00:44:10,691
If one can go off, we can
manipulate another one.
773
00:44:10,735 --> 00:44:12,867
Uh, if they all go off at the
same time,
774
00:44:12,911 --> 00:44:14,869
that's-- that's
pretty impressive,
775
00:44:14,913 --> 00:44:19,004
which is indicative
of some kind of energy,
776
00:44:19,047 --> 00:44:21,093
something-- uh,
something going on.
777
00:44:21,136 --> 00:44:22,616
Something not normal.
778
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:25,750
It's something, over the years, I've just never had happen.
779
00:44:27,403 --> 00:44:29,710
The light of God surrounds us,
780
00:44:29,754 --> 00:44:32,626
the love of God enfolds us,
781
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:34,976
the power of God protects us,
782
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:37,587
the presence of God
watches over us.
783
00:44:37,631 --> 00:44:41,243
Wherever we are, God
is and all is well.
784
00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:48,033
[strong bip]
785
00:44:48,076 --> 00:44:49,164
[Brad] There's a REM pod going.
786
00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:50,862
[Sabrina] Oh,
where's that REM pod?
787
00:44:50,905 --> 00:44:52,167
- [Ilene] Is that
REM pod up there?
- [Brad] Back bedroom.
788
00:44:52,211 --> 00:44:53,429
[Ilene] Back in that-- you
or is it going off?
789
00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:54,953
[John] Back room! Here.
790
00:44:54,996 --> 00:44:56,041
[Brad] Okay, great.
791
00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:00,698
[strong bip]
792
00:45:01,916 --> 00:45:03,352
[John] This room is heavy, man.
793
00:45:03,918 --> 00:45:07,182
And as soon as I came in
the room, I felt uneasy.
794
00:45:07,226 --> 00:45:09,141
[Alice] We've actually had
two mediums
795
00:45:09,184 --> 00:45:11,796
who didn't know each other
and hadn't been here before
796
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:14,624
and both of 'em said
that there was a figure
797
00:45:14,668 --> 00:45:17,236
that they felt a presence
of it near that chair.
798
00:45:18,063 --> 00:45:22,589
And that he really was stern
and-- and guarded.
799
00:45:22,632 --> 00:45:25,374
He was like a guard for the,
you know the room,
800
00:45:25,418 --> 00:45:27,986
the place that
he felt like, it was his place.
801
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:31,206
- [Brad] Interesting.
- [John] Just like that.
802
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:33,643
[Brad] I can't explain that--
that much consistency.
803
00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:36,429
That was wild.
804
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,872
[Steve] Alice has had psychics
investigate the house before
805
00:45:44,916 --> 00:45:47,832
and she wanted to have another one take a look around.
806
00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:50,922
And I don't use psychics
on-- on many investigations
807
00:45:50,965 --> 00:45:54,360
just because it's very hard
to quantify what they're saying,
808
00:45:54,403 --> 00:45:56,536
but this was
important to Alice.
809
00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:58,756
So, we got somebody
from out of state,
810
00:45:58,799 --> 00:46:00,105
they came from California.
811
00:46:00,148 --> 00:46:02,063
One thing I did think it was
important is
812
00:46:02,107 --> 00:46:04,979
using a psychic or
a medium
813
00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:06,807
who has never been to
the house before
814
00:46:06,851 --> 00:46:08,461
and even furthermore,
815
00:46:08,504 --> 00:46:11,681
making sure they didn't have any idea where they were going.
816
00:46:11,725 --> 00:46:13,335
She didn't know anything,
817
00:46:15,424 --> 00:46:18,036
only because that would
lend more credibility
to what they were saying.
818
00:46:24,216 --> 00:46:25,695
[woman] Very interesting.
819
00:46:40,841 --> 00:46:42,582
Oh, okay.
820
00:46:51,504 --> 00:46:53,288
Now am I--
821
00:46:53,332 --> 00:46:54,463
- do you just want me
to go on in.
- [Steve] Yeah, that's right.
822
00:46:59,904 --> 00:47:01,949
- [Steve] Ring the bell.
- [Jill] Yeah.
823
00:47:08,608 --> 00:47:09,783
- Hi!
- [Jill] Hi.
824
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:11,916
- [Jill] I'm Jill.
- I'm Alice. Come in.
825
00:47:11,959 --> 00:47:14,048
- Nice to meet you, Alice.
- Nice to meet you, too.
826
00:47:14,092 --> 00:47:15,702
Thank you for having me here.
827
00:47:15,745 --> 00:47:17,399
Absolutely, we're delighted.
828
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:20,663
- Where would you like me to go?
- The house is yours.
829
00:47:20,707 --> 00:47:22,665
- Okay.
- [Alice] This is yours.
830
00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:24,189
[Jill] Very good.
831
00:47:24,232 --> 00:47:28,236
So uh, what I'll do is I'm
just gonna start down here.
832
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,891
I am not gonna say
too much at first,
833
00:47:30,935 --> 00:47:35,765
if you have any questions
though for me, feel free to ask.
834
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:37,985
Okay.
835
00:47:38,029 --> 00:47:40,858
[Alice] And I'm just gonna
sit over here.
836
00:47:52,304 --> 00:47:53,871
[Jill] Hmm. Is this a door
to go outside?
837
00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:55,655
[Alice] It is, you can open
it if you'd like.
838
00:47:55,698 --> 00:47:57,222
- [Jill] Do you mind?
- [Alice] No, not at all.
839
00:47:57,265 --> 00:47:59,572
- [Jill] Okay,
I have to do this.
- [Alice] Not at all.
840
00:48:06,057 --> 00:48:08,146
[Jill] I have to get out here
and look at this.
841
00:48:19,244 --> 00:48:21,289
It's very interesting.
842
00:48:27,121 --> 00:48:29,036
[Jill] Can I ask you a question?
843
00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:31,691
Was there a house
that was right over here
844
00:48:31,734 --> 00:48:34,346
- that's no longer there?
- Behind Yes.
845
00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:36,000
[Jill]
That's what I thought, okay.
846
00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:37,653
That's important to me.
847
00:49:00,807 --> 00:49:03,201
What I like to do is I just like
to go through
848
00:49:03,244 --> 00:49:05,681
and pick some
really strong focal points
849
00:49:05,725 --> 00:49:06,987
and then I'm gonna
address them
850
00:49:07,031 --> 00:49:08,728
like I did with that other door.
851
00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:11,644
I'm just checking
everything out.
852
00:49:14,473 --> 00:49:15,474
Okay.
853
00:49:26,528 --> 00:49:27,834
This one now.
854
00:49:33,448 --> 00:49:34,580
[Jill] Wow.
855
00:49:35,885 --> 00:49:38,018
There's a lot of different
dimensions going on,
856
00:49:38,062 --> 00:49:40,586
there's a lot of shifting
going on in this house.
857
00:49:49,421 --> 00:49:50,900
Okay.
858
00:49:52,076 --> 00:49:55,166
I'm gonna ask you a
couple of questions.
859
00:49:55,209 --> 00:49:59,648
About a week ago, I started
having some very unusual dreams
860
00:49:59,692 --> 00:50:02,173
that turned
into what I call a "series."
861
00:50:02,216 --> 00:50:05,176
I document them, I
have a dream diary.
862
00:50:05,219 --> 00:50:07,004
I also sometimes sketch.
863
00:50:07,613 --> 00:50:10,311
What is so unusual
864
00:50:10,355 --> 00:50:12,966
is as soon as I saw that door,
went outside,
865
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:15,534
I knew this was the door.
866
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,624
This is the sketch that I did,
867
00:50:18,667 --> 00:50:21,279
the walking stick leaning up
against the door.
868
00:50:21,322 --> 00:50:23,672
- Do you have a walking stick?
- Uh, uh, hundreds.
869
00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:25,718
[Jill] That's-- that's insane.
870
00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:28,373
[Alice] With faces,
I collect 'em.
871
00:50:29,417 --> 00:50:31,289
[Jill] I don't even know if
I should say this.
872
00:50:35,989 --> 00:50:37,817
- I don't know if this
- I'm a psychiatric nurse,
873
00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:41,081
I've heard of murder stories,
I've heard of abuse, everything
874
00:50:41,125 --> 00:50:43,692
i don't want you to panic, it's
nothing to panic about
875
00:50:43,736 --> 00:50:46,565
but it is to me,
it's a very sad imprint.
876
00:50:46,608 --> 00:50:49,176
There was somebody killed
in your backyard.
877
00:50:51,483 --> 00:50:54,703
I do think there were landowners
that lived here initially
878
00:50:54,747 --> 00:50:58,185
that did not treat
people so well.
879
00:50:58,229 --> 00:51:01,145
The male, I feel him here.
880
00:51:01,188 --> 00:51:03,886
I don't use this phrase
very often,
881
00:51:04,974 --> 00:51:07,281
but he was an evil person.
882
00:51:07,325 --> 00:51:09,936
And I do think he had
something to do
883
00:51:09,979 --> 00:51:12,025
with the man that was
killed in the back.
884
00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:18,858
He's going to do whatever he can
to try to get you to give up.
885
00:51:18,901 --> 00:51:21,252
If he could burn this
house down, he would.
886
00:51:24,168 --> 00:51:27,171
Like I keep seeing
things on fire,
887
00:51:27,214 --> 00:51:31,175
it's constantly setting
fire, constantly setting fire.
888
00:51:31,218 --> 00:51:33,960
We had a number of people
who heard that.
889
00:51:34,003 --> 00:51:35,092
[loud bip]
890
00:51:39,139 --> 00:51:40,923
[Steve] Then that's weird.
891
00:51:45,232 --> 00:51:48,235
[Jill] You struck a thought.
892
00:51:48,279 --> 00:51:51,064
I've heard of history
of fires in this town.
893
00:51:54,023 --> 00:51:57,201
[Mary Alice]
Florence burned several times.
894
00:51:59,072 --> 00:52:01,205
First time it was uh,
895
00:52:01,248 --> 00:52:03,381
facing west
and when they rebuilt,
896
00:52:03,424 --> 00:52:04,860
they built it north,
897
00:52:04,904 --> 00:52:08,908
so that's the reason it's built
with facing north now.
898
00:52:10,431 --> 00:52:12,390
[Jill] Do we know
what caused the fire?
899
00:52:12,433 --> 00:52:14,566
And from what I know, they--
they don't know.
900
00:52:14,609 --> 00:52:15,915
I mean, you know?
901
00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:17,569
- But the fire created
- But there
902
00:52:17,612 --> 00:52:19,048
Wherever the fire was created,
903
00:52:19,092 --> 00:52:21,834
the-- the uh, geographical
reconfiguration.
904
00:52:21,877 --> 00:52:23,705
- [fire detector bips]
- [Alice] Uh-huh.
905
00:52:23,749 --> 00:52:25,272
That's what--
that's what he was saying that
-- that-- that-- that
906
00:52:31,278 --> 00:52:32,584
[Jill] It's a fire detector.
907
00:52:32,627 --> 00:52:33,846
[Brad] All right, right there
in the hallway.
908
00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:35,804
[Jill] Smoke detector.
909
00:52:35,848 --> 00:52:37,241
We're talking about fire
910
00:52:37,284 --> 00:52:38,894
and the smoke detector
battery beeps.
911
00:52:43,595 --> 00:52:45,858
[Alice] My neighbor
Erin next door,
912
00:52:45,901 --> 00:52:47,816
moved there when she was 5
years old.
913
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:51,124
And uh, she's had a very
significant part in this house,
914
00:52:51,168 --> 00:52:54,258
but the main thing is that when
she was 5 years old,
915
00:52:54,301 --> 00:52:58,479
she would tell me that
there was something
buried in the backyard.
916
00:52:58,523 --> 00:53:00,438
And I would say, "What?"
917
00:53:00,481 --> 00:53:02,744
And she would say, "It
might be a body."
918
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:09,011
I've lived
in this house next door
919
00:53:09,055 --> 00:53:10,883
since I was about 5
years old.
920
00:53:11,405 --> 00:53:13,538
And ever since I've lived here,
921
00:53:13,581 --> 00:53:15,888
I've always thought there was
something different
922
00:53:15,931 --> 00:53:18,151
about next-door
even as a child.
923
00:53:19,805 --> 00:53:22,242
Uh, I would walk
over there sometimes
924
00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:23,461
and one day I was over there
925
00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:24,984
and I just had
a strong feeling of,
926
00:53:25,027 --> 00:53:27,247
"Oh, there's
something, something different."
927
00:53:27,291 --> 00:53:30,337
And uh, I was probably
6 or 7 years old.
928
00:53:30,381 --> 00:53:33,340
And I was just convinced
929
00:53:33,384 --> 00:53:36,822
that there was somebody
buried in the backyard.
930
00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:40,391
And um, I-- I told my parents
for years
931
00:53:40,434 --> 00:53:43,829
that there is somebody
buried in that backyard.
932
00:53:43,872 --> 00:53:46,353
And uh, you couldn't convince
me otherwise.
933
00:53:46,397 --> 00:53:47,920
And I-- I still think that now.
934
00:53:47,963 --> 00:53:50,618
I was very adamant about
it as a child.
935
00:53:50,662 --> 00:53:52,664
And I still get that feeling
936
00:53:52,707 --> 00:53:56,842
over there and when I'm in that
spot, I'm just driven to that--
937
00:53:56,885 --> 00:53:59,584
that particular area and I
always have been.
938
00:54:00,324 --> 00:54:03,022
One time I-- I said I was gonna go dig it up
939
00:54:03,065 --> 00:54:05,285
and prove that
there was something there.
940
00:54:07,505 --> 00:54:09,594
If you walk
between our house and Alice's,
941
00:54:09,637 --> 00:54:12,292
you'll see the property line.
942
00:54:12,336 --> 00:54:15,904
These big oak trees that
make a straight line.
943
00:54:15,948 --> 00:54:17,558
That's the property line.
944
00:54:17,602 --> 00:54:19,865
Seems like once you cross that
property line, you're...
945
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:22,911
- In a different dimension.
- You're protected, yeah.
946
00:54:22,955 --> 00:54:23,956
- Yeah.
- It won't let us...
947
00:54:25,392 --> 00:54:28,613
My parents sadly have never had
anything happen um,
948
00:54:28,656 --> 00:54:30,876
we never uh noticed anything,
heard anything,
949
00:54:30,919 --> 00:54:35,272
but the minute you cross
back over this tree line
into her yard,
950
00:54:35,315 --> 00:54:38,579
it um-- you can
just feel it that it's here.
951
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,757
I was visiting
with Miss Alice once
952
00:54:42,801 --> 00:54:46,587
and we were sitting in the
dining room up-- under the-the
chandelier light.
953
00:54:47,458 --> 00:54:50,287
And she goes, "Look, look up."
954
00:54:50,330 --> 00:54:54,334
And I looked up and the-- the
chandelier um,
955
00:54:54,378 --> 00:54:58,077
it had rotated itself
like with the chain,
956
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,253
there was no tension in it.
957
00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:02,690
It was-- it was tilted
on its side.
958
00:55:02,734 --> 00:55:04,605
And I screamed, I mean,
959
00:55:04,649 --> 00:55:07,173
real loud scream
and she screamed
960
00:55:07,216 --> 00:55:10,568
and both of us
jumped up and ran
over to the front door.
961
00:55:11,395 --> 00:55:13,701
And the chandelier let go
962
00:55:13,745 --> 00:55:17,270
and it was swinging
so hard and far,
963
00:55:17,314 --> 00:55:19,185
like this, just going
964
00:55:19,228 --> 00:55:20,186
Like a pendulum.
965
00:55:20,229 --> 00:55:22,406
Yeah, it was scary.
966
00:55:22,449 --> 00:55:24,103
I've been scared over there
967
00:55:24,146 --> 00:55:26,061
and just scared
to go over there many times.
968
00:55:33,982 --> 00:55:35,244
[John] Flashlight?
969
00:55:37,116 --> 00:55:39,205
Here, give you a light.
970
00:55:39,248 --> 00:55:40,293
Thank you.
971
00:55:40,859 --> 00:55:42,600
- [Brad] Hey, Erin.
- [Erin] Hey.
972
00:55:43,601 --> 00:55:44,645
[Jill] So
973
00:55:44,689 --> 00:55:46,038
I'm doing well, how
are you doing?
974
00:55:46,081 --> 00:55:48,170
- [Brad] Good, good to see you.
- [Erin] You too.
975
00:55:48,214 --> 00:55:49,650
How are you?
976
00:55:49,694 --> 00:55:51,173
- [Erin] I'm good.
- [John] Long time no see.
977
00:55:51,217 --> 00:55:52,610
You doing all right?
978
00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:53,915
- Yeah, I'm hanging in there.
- [John] Good, good.
979
00:55:53,959 --> 00:55:56,353
[Alice] So, we're going to go
980
00:55:56,831 --> 00:55:58,050
to where you think
981
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,966
there might be
something in the backyard.
982
00:56:01,445 --> 00:56:03,055
- Yes.
- Okay.
983
00:56:03,098 --> 00:56:04,578
- There are a couple of spots.
- So, we're gonna follow you.
984
00:56:05,623 --> 00:56:06,754
Okay.
985
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,720
[Alice] Watch your steps.
986
00:56:25,817 --> 00:56:27,775
[Brad] So, you felt like drawn
to this spot, Erin?
987
00:56:27,819 --> 00:56:30,822
Yeah, since I was uh, probably
about 6 years old,
988
00:56:30,865 --> 00:56:32,563
I've always felt
that there was--
989
00:56:32,606 --> 00:56:34,042
there's
something over on this land.
990
00:56:34,086 --> 00:56:36,697
That every time I was in one
of-- in this spot,
991
00:56:36,741 --> 00:56:38,699
one of the stronger ones,
992
00:56:38,743 --> 00:56:40,919
I just always
thought it was a body here.
993
00:56:40,962 --> 00:56:44,313
Or something significant
happened to the body here.
994
00:56:44,357 --> 00:56:46,011
But this is one of
the main ones.
995
00:56:46,054 --> 00:56:49,449
This was the one that I-- I
came to when I was real little.
996
00:56:49,493 --> 00:56:52,539
We would come over here and
play like little tea parties
997
00:56:52,583 --> 00:56:54,019
And stuff at her backyard.
998
00:56:54,062 --> 00:56:55,412
She'd let us in.
999
00:56:55,455 --> 00:56:58,327
And I just didn't want to
come play in this spot.
1000
00:56:58,371 --> 00:57:03,028
Erin actually did find four
bodies near the Pearl River.
1001
00:57:03,071 --> 00:57:05,465
People knew they were
there from the Civil War
1002
00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:09,295
and uh, and adults
were trying to find those
bodies and they couldn't.
1003
00:57:09,338 --> 00:57:11,471
That other guy told me that
1004
00:57:11,515 --> 00:57:14,082
when he took me
along that sometimes children
1005
00:57:14,126 --> 00:57:16,433
are more open to-- to
things
1006
00:57:16,476 --> 00:57:19,174
that adults want to be
close-minded to.
1007
00:57:19,218 --> 00:57:21,307
And so, he wanted me to try it.
1008
00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:22,700
And um,
1009
00:57:22,743 --> 00:57:24,919
everywhere that I walked
over and they crossed,
1010
00:57:24,963 --> 00:57:27,095
they put a flag
and then later that day,
1011
00:57:27,139 --> 00:57:28,488
went and did whatever they do.
1012
00:57:28,532 --> 00:57:31,056
And where I had marked, they
found all four bodies.
1013
00:57:31,099 --> 00:57:33,101
[Brad] That validates
this one here.
1014
00:57:33,145 --> 00:57:34,233
- Validates, yeah.
- Right.
1015
00:57:34,276 --> 00:57:35,539
[Brad] And what else.
1016
00:57:35,582 --> 00:57:36,714
How could you have more
validation than that,
1017
00:57:36,757 --> 00:57:38,585
that's impressive.
1018
00:57:38,629 --> 00:57:41,414
Well, you wanna try to do
a EVP session right here?
1019
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:42,763
- [Brad] Sure.
- Are you okay with that?
1020
00:57:42,807 --> 00:57:44,330
Oh yeah, take it around?
1021
00:57:45,462 --> 00:57:47,986
But-- but you know, you
can grab onto me.
1022
00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:49,770
- Okay.
- You trust me after a
few years, don't you?
1023
00:57:49,814 --> 00:57:51,598
Yeah, I'll do it, I'll
hang out-- okay.
1024
00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:53,731
All right, you ready?
1025
00:57:53,774 --> 00:57:54,601
- [Brad] Yeah.
- Okay.
1026
00:57:58,083 --> 00:58:00,520
Is there somebody out
here in the yard?
1027
00:58:00,564 --> 00:58:01,913
Or the land?
1028
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:07,353
Can you give us
some kind of sign
1029
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:10,835
that you're aware that
Erin is standing right here?
1030
00:58:14,316 --> 00:58:15,796
Do you know Erin?
1031
00:58:17,972 --> 00:58:19,365
[Brad] Hear that?
1032
00:58:21,149 --> 00:58:23,282
- [John] It's like rustling
in the bushes.
- [Brad] Yeah, yeah.
1033
00:58:29,593 --> 00:58:31,595
Is there something
buried in the yard?
1034
00:58:32,247 --> 00:58:33,379
[loud thump]
1035
00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:36,382
I'm not gonna lie,
I jumped a little.
1036
00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:38,297
[Brad] That was a little--
it was kinda loud.
1037
00:58:40,865 --> 00:58:42,606
It was kinda loud
whatever that was.
1038
00:58:45,347 --> 00:58:47,175
- [John] Can you tell us what
- [Erin] I feel like I'm
gonna throw up.
1039
00:58:47,219 --> 00:58:49,917
- [Brad] Really?
- Real sick.
1040
00:58:50,701 --> 00:58:52,311
Mm-hmm.
1041
00:58:52,354 --> 00:58:53,660
Just give me a-- I just
need to breathe.
1042
00:58:53,704 --> 00:58:55,532
- [John] Okay.
- Let me breath for a moment.
1043
00:58:55,575 --> 00:58:57,751
- [John] Wanna
walk out this way?
- [Erin] Mm-hmm.
1044
00:58:57,795 --> 00:59:00,493
- [Brad] Which way?
- [Erin] Just over here
to the bushes.
1045
00:59:01,712 --> 00:59:03,104
[John] Oh my God.
1046
00:59:04,018 --> 00:59:05,542
- [Brad] You okay?
- [Erin] Mm-hmm.
1047
00:59:17,162 --> 00:59:18,380
[Erin gagging]
1048
00:59:26,954 --> 00:59:28,347
[John] You okay?
1049
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:32,525
[Erin] My stomach just got
tied up in knots.
1050
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:33,613
[John] It's okay.
1051
00:59:35,354 --> 00:59:36,877
[Erin] I don't think
I've ever spent
1052
00:59:36,921 --> 00:59:38,836
longer than four seconds
standing in that spot.
1053
01:00:11,695 --> 01:00:15,046
[Steve] Right now, we have
a dog roaming the property
1054
01:00:15,089 --> 01:00:16,308
and trying to see
if he can get hits
1055
01:00:16,351 --> 01:00:18,615
and see if he can pick up
1056
01:00:18,658 --> 01:00:24,577
on the scent of the bacteria
that feeds on human remains.
1057
01:00:45,467 --> 01:00:47,687
[Robert]
Probing the aerated soil,
1058
01:00:47,731 --> 01:00:52,561
so that if there is any cadaver
source here
1059
01:00:53,824 --> 01:00:56,914
it will allow the odor
1060
01:00:56,957 --> 01:01:00,004
to come up easier
1061
01:01:00,831 --> 01:01:05,183
and make it a little stronger
for the dog to be able to work.
1062
01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:12,756
[Paulette] Slight interest
and you can see
1063
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:14,671
where he kept going back
to that one area.
1064
01:01:14,714 --> 01:01:16,107
So, I'm going to run him
through that area.
1065
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:23,505
If it's someone buried,
1066
01:01:23,549 --> 01:01:26,378
the dog's gonna show a lot of interest to the trees.
1067
01:01:26,421 --> 01:01:28,162
And if a body is buried
somewhere
1068
01:01:28,902 --> 01:01:30,861
and the trees grow up,
1069
01:01:30,904 --> 01:01:32,906
well they use the body as
nourishment.
1070
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:36,170
And so, the tree takes on that
odor
1071
01:01:36,214 --> 01:01:38,129
and it's in their leaves
and things like that.
1072
01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:56,408
[Paulette] He's going around
these clumps of trees.
1073
01:01:56,451 --> 01:01:59,367
These are the only trees that he's looking up into, you know,
1074
01:01:59,411 --> 01:02:01,195
cause there are a lot of trees
on this property,
1075
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:04,633
but this section was
what he's showing interest in
1076
01:02:04,677 --> 01:02:06,200
and looking up into
the trees.
1077
01:02:06,244 --> 01:02:10,161
It's kinda like when we did a
case in another state,
1078
01:02:10,204 --> 01:02:11,989
the body was buried
1079
01:02:12,032 --> 01:02:14,208
uh, and then they went back
and dug it up
1080
01:02:14,252 --> 01:02:15,732
and moved it
to another location.
1081
01:02:15,775 --> 01:02:17,777
The odor and the decomp was
still in the ground.
1082
01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:19,736
So, it's that type of thing.
1083
01:02:19,779 --> 01:02:22,782
So, yeah it could be way old.
1084
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:29,789
[Paulette] He's not given us
a definite location.
1085
01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:32,313
He's just giving us where he is
picking up odor
1086
01:02:32,357 --> 01:02:34,533
and it's coming
through the trees.
1087
01:02:34,576 --> 01:02:37,666
It's the odor that he has been
trained for,
1088
01:02:37,710 --> 01:02:39,581
I would investigate and see
1089
01:02:39,625 --> 01:02:41,409
whether or not there
was a cemetery here.
1090
01:02:41,453 --> 01:02:43,803
And if they moved any bodies
1091
01:02:43,847 --> 01:02:46,980
and that may give you
an answer to
why the odor is here.
1092
01:03:02,343 --> 01:03:05,651
We brought some cadaver
dogs over there, right?
1093
01:03:05,694 --> 01:03:07,087
[Jeanette] Uh-huh.
1094
01:03:07,131 --> 01:03:10,569
Um, which they smell
decomposition and bacteria
1095
01:03:10,612 --> 01:03:13,615
that feeds on human bodies--
that sort of thing.
1096
01:03:13,659 --> 01:03:15,574
And those dogs were picking up
1097
01:03:15,617 --> 01:03:18,272
that odor in and around her yard
1098
01:03:18,316 --> 01:03:22,363
and so, we wanted to do a little
research and see if perhaps
1099
01:03:22,407 --> 01:03:25,584
there's ever been
any sort of evidence
1100
01:03:26,367 --> 01:03:31,111
of a burial there or a
graveyard at any point in time?
1101
01:03:31,155 --> 01:03:35,159
This is a picture of the
Florence Cemetery.
1102
01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:37,030
[Steve] Right, yep.
1103
01:03:37,074 --> 01:03:39,206
This part that's clear
1104
01:03:39,946 --> 01:03:43,820
that is the original part
of the cemetery.
1105
01:03:44,342 --> 01:03:45,430
[Steve] All this here?
1106
01:03:45,473 --> 01:03:47,084
- All of this.
- [Steve] Okay, okay.
1107
01:03:47,127 --> 01:03:51,001
When the town burned, all of
the records were burned.
1108
01:03:52,350 --> 01:03:57,877
And there is not any records
anywhere on that part of it.
1109
01:03:57,921 --> 01:03:59,444
[Steve] I see.
1110
01:03:59,487 --> 01:04:03,317
Do you think where Miss Alice's
house is that perhaps
1111
01:04:03,361 --> 01:04:05,450
there could have been
something like that
1112
01:04:05,493 --> 01:04:09,367
before record keeping,
like before it all burnt?
1113
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:11,021
It could be, but if it is,
1114
01:04:11,064 --> 01:04:13,327
I don't think there is
any record of that.
1115
01:04:13,371 --> 01:04:16,983
So, if there was a grave of some
sort or a burial
1116
01:04:17,027 --> 01:04:19,943
where Miss Alice lives now,
1117
01:04:19,986 --> 01:04:22,467
it would've had
to have been before the fire.
1118
01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:23,772
[Jeanette] Right.
1119
01:04:23,816 --> 01:04:26,819
In regards to this, where
is Alice's house?
1120
01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:28,212
Is it say, north?
1121
01:04:28,255 --> 01:04:30,475
- [Jeanette] Okay. Right.
- Is it east or west?
1122
01:04:30,518 --> 01:04:33,260
[Jeanette] All right, she's
on this Clear Branch road.
1123
01:04:33,304 --> 01:04:34,392
[Steve] Okay.
1124
01:04:34,435 --> 01:04:36,873
[Jeanette]
So, it will be up here.
1125
01:04:36,916 --> 01:04:38,962
Okay, so her house
is somewhere...
1126
01:04:39,005 --> 01:04:40,877
Her house would be around here.
1127
01:04:41,399 --> 01:04:46,273
So, her house is around here
where the unmarked section is.
1128
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:49,320
Right, it would be
on about there.
1129
01:04:51,104 --> 01:04:54,455
[Steve] So, there are plenty of unmarked burials in Florence,
1130
01:04:54,499 --> 01:04:56,588
but no real evidence
to show
1131
01:04:56,631 --> 01:04:58,764
that it's right there
on Alice's property.
1132
01:04:59,286 --> 01:05:04,248
But nobody knows where those
burials were prior to the fire.
1133
01:05:04,291 --> 01:05:06,641
After the fire, everything
was destroyed.
1134
01:05:06,685 --> 01:05:08,730
All the records for the town,
1135
01:05:08,774 --> 01:05:11,908
so, there could have been
something prior.
1136
01:05:12,386 --> 01:05:16,303
We can't jump to any
conclusions,
but we can speculate.
1137
01:05:20,612 --> 01:05:23,876
[Steve] Would you ever consider
moving back into the house
and living here?
1138
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,965
What would it take?
1139
01:05:26,792 --> 01:05:28,098
I uh--
1140
01:05:28,794 --> 01:05:30,927
if I didn't live here alone,
you know,
1141
01:05:30,970 --> 01:05:32,450
if somebody else lived with me,
1142
01:05:32,493 --> 01:05:34,278
I'd probably, you know,
I could do it, I could do it.
1143
01:05:34,321 --> 01:05:37,629
But-- but alone here, uh, I
haven't come to that point.
1144
01:05:37,672 --> 01:05:39,936
I mean, I haven't been
to that place yet.
1145
01:05:39,979 --> 01:05:41,241
I really haven't.
1146
01:05:41,285 --> 01:05:42,547
I'm not saying I couldn't,
but I haven't.
1147
01:05:42,590 --> 01:05:44,027
I'm not ready yet.
1148
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:48,945
Because I still, I still don't
know where I might end up.
1149
01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:52,600
[Steve] I hope
this process helps her,
1150
01:05:52,644 --> 01:05:55,255
I really do, that's the goal,
that's what we're trying to...
1151
01:05:55,299 --> 01:05:57,649
I think we're 80% there,
to be honest with you.
1152
01:05:57,692 --> 01:05:58,998
I think we're about 80% there.
1153
01:06:00,608 --> 01:06:04,351
Are we ever gonna get her back in the house sleeping at night?
1154
01:06:04,395 --> 01:06:05,352
I don't know.
1155
01:06:06,527 --> 01:06:08,790
I hope through this
process, it uh...
1156
01:06:15,014 --> 01:06:17,364
There's no crying in
ghost hunting, so...
1157
01:06:19,018 --> 01:06:20,715
I want to get to the point
1158
01:06:20,759 --> 01:06:24,937
where we can get her
at peace with all of this.
1159
01:06:24,981 --> 01:06:26,547
She wants to get back here,
1160
01:06:26,591 --> 01:06:28,419
she wants to live here,
she wants to be in here.
1161
01:06:28,462 --> 01:06:29,724
She wants to do everything.
1162
01:06:29,768 --> 01:06:31,117
She knew it was the place
to raise a family,
1163
01:06:31,161 --> 01:06:33,032
her daughter, her everything.
1164
01:06:33,076 --> 01:06:35,034
And uh, it was taken
away from her and uh,
1165
01:06:35,078 --> 01:06:37,471
we need to get that
back.
1166
01:06:38,646 --> 01:06:41,258
[Alice] The reason I still have my house and I haven't sold it
1167
01:06:41,301 --> 01:06:43,738
is because I really believe
it has a purpose.
1168
01:06:43,782 --> 01:06:45,784
I think, you know,
opening it up to people
1169
01:06:45,827 --> 01:06:47,699
is the way that
something will be found.
1170
01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:50,223
If I sold it, somebody else
might not be open to that.
1171
01:06:51,137 --> 01:06:52,965
But I think there's more to it.
1172
01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:56,577
I think everybody involved in
this house
1173
01:06:56,621 --> 01:06:58,753
has a real closeness,
1174
01:06:58,797 --> 01:07:01,104
a genuine concern
about each other.
1175
01:07:01,147 --> 01:07:03,280
I really have enjoyed the
people that I've met.
1176
01:07:03,323 --> 01:07:06,413
Uh, I have a lot of special
affection for John and Brad.
1177
01:07:06,457 --> 01:07:08,067
I mean, I really do, I feel
like they're family.
1178
01:07:08,111 --> 01:07:10,548
And even though we have
our lives separate, from here
1179
01:07:10,591 --> 01:07:13,333
we-- we are
definitely connected here.
1180
01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:19,948
[Brad] It's been quite a ride
from the first day I was here
1181
01:07:19,992 --> 01:07:22,168
to my current uh, relationship
1182
01:07:22,212 --> 01:07:23,561
and friendship
with Miss Alice.
1183
01:07:24,649 --> 01:07:27,956
Alice will be in my life forever
1184
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,743
even-- uh, maybe when I pass
away, when I cross over,
1185
01:07:31,786 --> 01:07:34,311
if she crosses over
before me, we will hang out.
1186
01:07:34,876 --> 01:07:36,878
If uh-- if I cross over,
1187
01:07:36,922 --> 01:07:40,708
well maybe I'll kick
the ball down the steps on her.
1188
01:07:42,101 --> 01:07:45,365
Being involved in investigating paranormal activity
1189
01:07:45,409 --> 01:07:48,760
has become
a mid-life second wind for me.
1190
01:07:48,803 --> 01:07:51,589
It's something that I've found
that I really enjoy doing.
1191
01:07:51,632 --> 01:07:53,765
And couple that
with helping a friend,
1192
01:07:53,808 --> 01:07:57,247
Miss Alice, really has
been beneficial for my life.
1193
01:07:57,290 --> 01:07:58,813
It's just-- it's added a--
1194
01:07:58,857 --> 01:08:01,381
a fresh chapter
in my mid-life years.
1195
01:08:01,425 --> 01:08:04,167
It's made me wanna get up
1196
01:08:04,210 --> 01:08:07,344
and hit-- hit the ground
running more in my life.
1197
01:08:07,387 --> 01:08:09,215
So, it's a very, very important
part of my life now.
1198
01:08:10,477 --> 01:08:11,826
[John] We're a great team.
1199
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:14,699
We make time for each other
and I think that
1200
01:08:15,352 --> 01:08:18,616
we are locked in to figuring out what's going on in the house.
1201
01:08:20,052 --> 01:08:22,141
I would like to see Alice in a
happy place
1202
01:08:22,185 --> 01:08:24,317
where she's satisfied
with the work that we've done.
1203
01:08:24,361 --> 01:08:26,798
And I think she's gotten
some answers.
1204
01:08:26,841 --> 01:08:29,714
I think there's key answers
that she still has not had.
1205
01:08:30,497 --> 01:08:32,717
And end game for the
Mississippi house.
1206
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,719
In my opinion, I don't know if
there is one,
1207
01:08:34,762 --> 01:08:37,156
and I think that this is a house
where we're learning,
1208
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,636
we're teaching.
1209
01:08:38,679 --> 01:08:40,768
And I think it's something that
we can continue to do
1210
01:08:40,812 --> 01:08:41,856
for years to come.
1211
01:10:07,377 --> 01:10:10,597
[dramatic music]
1212
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,395
- [Brad] I put it on
there this morning.
- [John] Yeah.
1213
01:10:25,438 --> 01:10:26,874
[John] What do you mean
you put it on this morning?
1214
01:10:26,918 --> 01:10:28,789
- [Brad] I aimed my camera.
- [Steve] You did?
1215
01:10:28,833 --> 01:10:31,531
- [John] Hey! Check this!
- [Brad] No, I aimed the camera
1216
01:10:31,575 --> 01:10:33,054
[John]
Check it, how do you check it?
1217
01:10:33,098 --> 01:10:35,231
- [Steve] I don't know.
- [John] I got chills right now.
1218
01:10:36,014 --> 01:10:38,190
Dude, that just did that.
1219
01:10:38,234 --> 01:10:39,670
I don't-- wasn't near
it, nobody was there.
1220
01:10:39,713 --> 01:10:41,106
I saw that.
1221
01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:42,890
- [Steve] So, if we got that...
- [John] Dude, here.
1222
01:10:42,934 --> 01:10:45,023
- [Brad] We got that.
- [John] Holy!
1223
01:10:45,589 --> 01:10:47,417
[Steve] Do you know
how to check it on there?
1224
01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:49,245
How to bring it up on there?
1225
01:10:49,288 --> 01:10:51,072
[Brad] Yeah, it's gonna be
quick right here.
1226
01:10:51,116 --> 01:10:52,683
[Steve] That's okay.
It-- it'll be...
1227
01:10:52,726 --> 01:10:55,294
[John] Dude, come on, you gotta
be kidding me right now.
1228
01:10:55,338 --> 01:10:56,426
[Brad] Don't believe it.
1229
01:10:56,469 --> 01:10:58,471
Yeah, here we go, here's
my last shot.
1230
01:10:58,515 --> 01:11:00,256
It was rolling.
1231
01:11:00,299 --> 01:11:01,692
- [John] Yeah, we got it?
- [Brad] Yeah, it's not
there anymore.
1232
01:11:03,041 --> 01:11:05,609
All right, so I was inside
1233
01:11:05,652 --> 01:11:08,742
and I was running
around, I'm trying
to get this gear sent out,
1234
01:11:08,786 --> 01:11:11,832
because we have
gear shipping out today.
1235
01:11:11,876 --> 01:11:13,530
Got the camera,
I'm messing with that
1236
01:11:13,573 --> 01:11:15,575
and I'm just going inside
of the house.
1237
01:11:15,619 --> 01:11:18,230
And nobody
was right here at all,
1238
01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:20,972
nobody was in the house,
it was just me.
1239
01:11:21,015 --> 01:11:24,323
Uh, and I'm walking by and all
of a sudden, I hear this ball
1240
01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:28,022
falling, falling down the
stairs and there it is.
1241
01:11:29,763 --> 01:11:31,939
We're checking if we have
it on camera right now.
1242
01:11:33,376 --> 01:11:36,814
There's the ball and it
came from up there.
1243
01:11:36,857 --> 01:11:38,337
I like it,
1244
01:11:38,381 --> 01:11:40,296
but the fact that there's
people in the house
1245
01:11:40,339 --> 01:11:41,949
moving around, all that stuff.
1246
01:11:41,993 --> 01:11:44,082
- [John] Okay, yeah.
- Just kinda makes me like...
1247
01:11:44,735 --> 01:11:46,432
[Kendall] I w-- I was the only
one in the house.
1248
01:11:46,476 --> 01:11:48,391
- [Steve] Yeah, it's true.
- [Kendall] You know
what I mean?
1249
01:11:48,434 --> 01:11:50,044
- [Kendall] And I
- [Brad] Yeah, you were outside.
1250
01:11:50,088 --> 01:11:51,524
[Kendall] I-- I promise, dude.
1251
01:11:51,568 --> 01:11:53,744
Like I-- this whole thing's
about honesty,
1252
01:11:53,787 --> 01:11:56,181
like I'm honest
with you guys.
1253
01:11:56,224 --> 01:11:58,488
I was walking with
the ball as it was
1254
01:11:58,531 --> 01:12:00,011
- [Brad] We just saw.
- [Kendall] I heard a noise
1255
01:12:00,054 --> 01:12:01,186
and I looked over
and it was like
1256
01:12:01,229 --> 01:12:03,188
dunk, dunk, dunk,
dunk, dunk.
1257
01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:07,148
[John] I mean we have like
f---.
1258
01:12:07,192 --> 01:12:09,673
I mean this is the clip, this is
the footage we've been waiting,
1259
01:12:09,716 --> 01:12:12,197
like this is evidence that
we've been waiting to get.
1260
01:12:14,112 --> 01:12:17,333
- [Steve] Who's that?
- [Brad] Oh, that must be Alice.
1261
01:12:19,987 --> 01:12:21,728
[Kendall] Uh-oh. Oh, dude!
1262
01:12:21,772 --> 01:12:23,904
- [Steve] Can you pull it back?
- [Brad] Oh yeah.
1263
01:12:25,819 --> 01:12:27,430
[Steve] What are-- like what
are your thoughts?
1264
01:12:27,473 --> 01:12:29,170
I'm really curious,
what do you think?
1265
01:12:29,214 --> 01:12:30,998
Well... I mean,
you guys see this
all-- look see that
1266
01:12:31,042 --> 01:12:33,087
[Brad] Okay, I'm gonna pause it,
I'm gonna frame this.
1267
01:12:34,306 --> 01:12:35,786
- [Brad] Hey guys!
- [John] Yeah?
1268
01:12:35,829 --> 01:12:37,440
- [Brad] There's nobody in here.
- [John] What?
1269
01:12:37,483 --> 01:12:39,267
- Get outta here!
- [Steve] So, we had
a door move?
1270
01:12:39,311 --> 01:12:40,356
I don't know.
1271
01:12:41,922 --> 01:12:43,750
But it-- it sounded like the
front door opened or closed.
1272
01:12:44,447 --> 01:12:46,144
- But...
- [John] No, I definitely
heard that.
1273
01:12:46,187 --> 01:12:47,145
I-- you thought it was Alice.
1274
01:12:49,103 --> 01:12:52,019
[Kendall] Dude, I got freaking
chills on my hand right now.
1275
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:55,675
- [Steve] Wait a
second, look, no
- [Kendall] Get outta here.
1276
01:12:55,719 --> 01:12:56,676
- [John] No, wait, wait, wait.
- [Kendall] What?
1277
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,330
[John] Let's hear that.
Okay.
1278
01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,376
I think the wind probably
blew it open.
1279
01:13:00,811 --> 01:13:01,899
[Kendall] Alright.
1280
01:13:01,942 --> 01:13:03,683
I mean that would
be my assessment.
1281
01:13:07,426 --> 01:13:09,167
- I think that's what it was.
- [Kendall] Okay.
1282
01:13:09,210 --> 01:13:10,734
- Honestly, I think
- [Kendall] Yep.
1283
01:13:10,777 --> 01:13:12,213
Everybody just for whatever
reason leaves this door like
1284
01:13:12,257 --> 01:13:13,301
this, it's never really
1285
01:13:13,345 --> 01:13:14,520
You know?
1286
01:13:14,564 --> 01:13:16,174
But that doesn't
explain the ball.
1287
01:13:18,568 --> 01:13:20,178
[Kendall] What do you think?
1288
01:13:20,221 --> 01:13:22,963
I mean it's happened in
this house many times.
1289
01:13:23,007 --> 01:13:24,878
Like eight or nine times.
1290
01:13:24,922 --> 01:13:26,880
So, I mean it's always exciting
when it happens.
1291
01:13:27,577 --> 01:13:29,405
It's always exciting
when it happens.
1292
01:13:33,191 --> 01:13:35,193
I mean that door sound
is interesting.
1293
01:13:35,236 --> 01:13:37,325
And you know the thing is, I
mean it could be wind, right?
1294
01:13:37,369 --> 01:13:39,110
[Steve] We-- well, yeah.
1295
01:13:39,153 --> 01:13:41,199
The doors open?
1296
01:13:43,636 --> 01:13:45,333
[Brad] So, it closes by itself.
1297
01:13:45,377 --> 01:13:47,205
- [Kendall] Wait a minute.
- Well, assuming it's that door.
1298
01:13:47,771 --> 01:13:49,860
Because I thought it was that
front door
1299
01:13:49,903 --> 01:13:52,645
swinging open and
hitting the closet door.
1300
01:13:54,081 --> 01:13:55,474
But the door's open right now.
1301
01:13:57,389 --> 01:14:00,131
So, it either wasn't that door,
it was a different door.
1302
01:14:01,524 --> 01:14:03,395
[Brad] Definitely sounded
like a door closing.
1303
01:14:17,278 --> 01:14:19,933
[Brad] A few days went by
and I was wondering
what that noise was.
1304
01:14:22,022 --> 01:14:24,590
Something that I wanted
to figure out.
1305
01:14:24,634 --> 01:14:26,462
And it was just bothering me, it was frustrating me for real.
1306
01:14:27,506 --> 01:14:30,117
It was a frustrating four
or five days, I think.
1307
01:14:30,161 --> 01:14:31,902
I was trying to figure
out what it was.
1308
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,472
The camera back there, it was
aiming that way behind me.
1309
01:14:37,124 --> 01:14:38,735
And I noticed some movement
1310
01:14:38,778 --> 01:14:41,912
in the reflection of the
chandelier.
1311
01:14:42,739 --> 01:14:47,483
It has a brass ball like un--
un-- un-- beneath it.
1312
01:14:48,919 --> 01:14:50,790
So, I started
looking closer at that
1313
01:14:50,834 --> 01:14:53,097
and I zoomed in and then bam!
1314
01:15:21,168 --> 01:15:22,953
My heart started racing.
1315
01:15:24,432 --> 01:15:27,435
What I saw you know,
1316
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:32,005
were two-- two different doors um, opening.
1317
01:15:32,049 --> 01:15:33,877
And then one of 'em
open and closed.
1318
01:15:35,531 --> 01:15:38,055
It was like something--
it was like something
just came through.
1319
01:15:39,186 --> 01:15:41,624
It's one thing to capture
a door opening,
1320
01:15:41,667 --> 01:15:43,626
but it's really
a different level
1321
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:46,063
when you see a door open
and then close itself.
1322
01:15:46,629 --> 01:15:49,066
Like that I mean I haven't
seen that before.
1323
01:15:50,371 --> 01:15:54,158
Now I can't tell you what--
what the heck did that.
1324
01:15:54,201 --> 01:15:58,292
But something moved
not only the chandelier
1325
01:15:58,336 --> 01:16:00,077
but opened and
closed doors.
1326
01:16:03,123 --> 01:16:04,690
[Jill] It's very interesting.
1327
01:16:05,648 --> 01:16:07,345
That's important to me.
1328
01:16:14,308 --> 01:16:15,527
[Brad] Theoretically,
1329
01:16:16,006 --> 01:16:17,834
a gust of wind
could open it maybe,
1330
01:16:17,877 --> 01:16:20,010
but open
and close it, two of 'em?
1331
01:16:21,011 --> 01:16:22,621
In theory, I guess
it's possible.
1332
01:16:25,668 --> 01:16:31,064
Don't forget you know, minutes, minutes before that
1333
01:16:31,848 --> 01:16:33,676
a baseball
1334
01:16:34,981 --> 01:16:36,766
was flipped down the steps.
1335
01:16:38,028 --> 01:16:39,725
And the doors were closed.
1336
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:43,120
Not to mention there was
hardly any breeze at all.
1337
01:16:43,163 --> 01:16:45,296
This is a Mississippi
hot summer day.
1338
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:49,474
So-- so when you
bundle all that up
1339
01:16:50,388 --> 01:16:51,563
and you look at that,
1340
01:16:51,607 --> 01:16:54,522
that is some dramatic activity
1341
01:16:56,481 --> 01:17:00,137
all within minutes.
1342
01:17:02,487 --> 01:17:05,098
You see now we got lights like
coming--
1343
01:17:05,142 --> 01:17:06,622
yeah, those lights are
freaking out.
1344
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,892
I don't have all the answers, I just don't think it was normal.
1345
01:17:16,806 --> 01:17:18,634
You know, was it a ghost?
1346
01:17:18,677 --> 01:17:20,026
Yeah, it could be.
1347
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:23,160
It wasn't a human
in physical form.
1348
01:17:38,697 --> 01:17:41,178
This is-- and this is
gonna continue on.
1349
01:17:41,221 --> 01:17:43,833
It's-- it's not to the point
where she'll just be,
1350
01:17:43,876 --> 01:17:45,443
"Okay,
it's over with."
1351
01:17:45,486 --> 01:17:47,140
Until we can figure out what's
going on,
1352
01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:48,707
Miss Alice is going to
wanna
1353
01:17:48,751 --> 01:17:51,405
pursue and keep trying to
find the answers.
1354
01:17:51,449 --> 01:17:52,624
What created those lights?
1355
01:17:52,668 --> 01:17:54,321
And I'll be right by her side.
1356
01:17:54,365 --> 01:17:56,497
We're-- we're gonna do this
together and figure this out.
1357
01:17:58,804 --> 01:18:00,588
Bless Alice, Lord.
1358
01:18:00,632 --> 01:18:02,721
And be with her always.
1359
01:18:02,765 --> 01:18:05,071
[Walt] I think the attraction
to all of it is,
1360
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,685
there's always been the
question, what's after death?
1361
01:18:10,207 --> 01:18:13,123
And anybody who hasn't thought
about, that is a liar.
1362
01:18:16,866 --> 01:18:19,912
I think if you find proof of
ghost,
1363
01:18:19,956 --> 01:18:22,393
then you found your
proof of life after death.
1364
01:18:22,915 --> 01:18:25,222
And you don't have to
just take it on faith.
1365
01:18:25,265 --> 01:18:28,573
And we being human beings,
we'd like to have proof of it.
1366
01:18:29,095 --> 01:18:31,315
Uh, I really think that's
the attraction of it.
1367
01:18:31,358 --> 01:18:34,797
I-- I think that that will
always be the attraction of
ghost stories.
1368
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,237
I think this is one of those
mysterious areas of life
1369
01:18:41,499 --> 01:18:43,501
that this is gonna have to be something that people deal with
1370
01:18:43,544 --> 01:18:46,199
in their own hearts, their
own minds.
1371
01:18:46,243 --> 01:18:47,679
And come to their
own conclusions.
1372
01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:49,550
And just be true to themselves.
1373
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:17,535
When I was growing up,
my grandmother
1374
01:19:17,578 --> 01:19:21,800
told us one time that uh,
they had a ghost in their house.
1375
01:19:21,844 --> 01:19:25,543
Every night that ghost would
come there and go up the steps.
1376
01:19:25,586 --> 01:19:27,763
So finally, they decided they
would go
1377
01:19:27,806 --> 01:19:30,809
and they would find
out what the ghost was.
1378
01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:32,811
So, they went out that night
1379
01:19:32,855 --> 01:19:34,900
and about
the middle of the night,
1380
01:19:34,944 --> 01:19:39,339
here come several goats
going up and down the steps,
1381
01:19:39,383 --> 01:19:41,298
up and down the steps.
1382
01:19:42,603 --> 01:19:46,782
So, their ghost was
a goat ghost. Debunk.
1383
01:19:48,435 --> 01:19:51,438
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