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[man] There's something there that lets you know it's there.

[man 2] This house, it's really grabbed me.

It's got its hooks sinked into me.

There's a lot of thing that happen in this house that we can't explain.

[man 3] It's wild just being there.

[man 4] It has this, you know, this aura about it, a-- a-- a mystery.

[dramatic music]

[Alice] I wanted a simple house, I wanted a A-frame house,

and I wanted a-- a loft upstairs with a balcony.

And when we first drove by here, it was just a beautiful meadow.

It was covered with wildflowers.

And it just took my breath away.

And I said, you know, "That's it."

[Alice] I had the house subcontracted, built like I wanted.

When they started building,

we noticed that there were some strange things happening.

The doors would slam.

I mean nothing else would be blowing around, but the door would slam.

They put the doorbell in and it would ring.

And you'd go to the door, there's nobody there.

I remember deadbolting the door and going upstairs

and as soon as I get upstairs, you know, we heard a bang!

I looked out and the door was open.

But it had the deadbolt still sticking out.

This house had a lot of activity that was unusual

and we knew that.

I made peace with that, I lived with that

until 2011.

[crickets chirping]

[Alice] At 11:30, I was probably in bed by 12 o' clock.

And it was pitch-black dark in here.

And a light came on

and I opened my eyes and, uh,

there was this-- it was light.

It was a patch of total daylight from the ceiling to the floor.

And it was daylight in this tube of light

and it was pitch black in the rest of the room.

I just stared at it.

After about 10 seconds, it just went blink, it went out.

I just covered my head

and I pulled back the covers

and I saw there were like, real bright red buttons of light.

I had a flashlight on the bed

and I shone the flashlight all around the room

and uh, there was nothing unusual.

And I really did feel watched.

I felt a presence, I felt observed.

I didn't know if it was a religious experience,

I didn't know if it was a UFO experience, I didn't know what it was.

It scared me to death.

That was a turning point in my life,

because I decided that I would not stay here

by myself at night.

I never mentioned it to hardly anybody in this town

about the paranormal activity in my house,

because I wasn't sure how they would take it.

It's a-- it's a-- it's in the Bible Belt

and you know-- and you know, I just-- I didn't know how they would take it.

[man] Florence is a suburb of Jackson,

the statistical metropolitan area.

This is community that's-- that's got good neighbors.

They probably pretty much keep to themselves

and that may be what makes them good neighbors.

[woman] I think the people are real nice.

If somebody dies,

uh, everybody comes and brings food

and they go to the cemetery or they go to the funeral halls

or do what they can for you.

We're just country.

Just-- just country.

[woman] Florence is a great town, but it's a southern town.

Some people are open-minded

and some people are very close-minded.

[Sabrina] Florence is very Bible Belt-ish.

Bringing in the paranormal to them is unbelievable.

[interviewer] Do you believe in ghosts?

Uh, believe in what?

No, I don't.

[man] I am a Christian, I do believe in the Holy Spirit.

If y'all-- y'all go stay out in empty houses all night, I'll go to bed.

[Alice] I was all embarrassed,

because I thought, you know, I'm just gonna look like an idiot.

So, I didn't tell anybody until it became known enough

that I knew there were gonna do a little news program on it.

[male TV reporter] On the outside, it looks like your typical home,

but inside it's anything but normal.

The candle just got up and landed.

It didn't just tipple over and it didn't shoot over,

it just kinda levitated over there.

[Alice] After that news segment,

that just kinda validated to me that it was okay to express it,

because I just kept it inside, I didn't tell a lot of people.

But once it was documented,

I felt perfectly free then to talk about it.

And it was really a big moment.

That kinda made it real for me.

I think that's when it-- that's when I started being really open to really--

I was trying to find somebody who could--

or maybe come up with some explanation.

I started talking to a friend ofmine at work

and she said she knew a young investigator

named John Bullard who might be interested.

[John] My name's John Bullard.

I'm a marketing director

for about 40 different restaurants.

What got me into the paranormal is

ever since I was a little child,

I would see shadow figures, I would hear voices.

I didn't know if I was crazy or not

and I wanted to validate it for myself.

Uh, I didn't want to validate it for anybody else,

I just wanted to figure out that I wasn't crazy.

And I started doing research

about the supernatural and the paranormal.

And I kinda, you know, over time wanted to test the waters,

so I went to supposedly haunted places to test the waters,

to see if I could actually capture something,

if I could feel something

or sense something that I sensed when I was child.

We accidentally caught an incredible spirit voice EVP,

electronic voice phenomenon and that kinda changed me.

[girl] What is that white out near the woods, you see that?

[girl] It is in the woods, you see it now?

[girl 2] Oh, no, no, no, shine closer to it, shine.

[voice] In here.

- [John] What the fuck was that? - [girl] What was that? What?

Did you say-that place said "in here?"

[girl] No.

[John] Did y'all not-- you didn't hear that?

[girl] No, I'm sorry.

[voice] In here.

[John] There-- there, did you hear anybody say, "in here?"

[girl] Did someone just say "in here?"

[John] Did you hear that?

- [man] Uh, I heard something. - [girl] John.

- I'm not fucking kidding. - [girl] I'm sorry.

[John] Well, my biggest goal that I set in my mind was

to document evidence

that was clean, clear, and easy to view.

[John] Did somebody just make that noise?

I was referred to the Mississippi house

by a friend of a friend.

When we pull up to the house,

you would never think there was anything really going on

inside the house.

So, we were really skeptical,

but we figured we'd hear her out.

Alice told us about the lights

that she experienced in the bottom bedroom

and some other sounds that she'd heard in the house.

And just from the pre-investigation that we did,

it really started to intrigue me.

Things moved.

Lights that have turned off.

It's something different

than just a paranormal investigation.

We have done about nine years,

it's the longest location that we have ever done consistently.

[John] We have a DVR system

that is filming the house 24 hours a day,

they try to capture something else.

There's definitely something else out there,

whether it's a uh, you know, another world

or something that we're tapping into.

Uh, it's up-- it's up for debate.

[radio announcer] I have something very special for you today.

We have Brad Cooney.

Brad is part of the Mississippi house

and it is very well-documented

as a place that is haunted.

So, tell me a little bit about the house.

[Brad] Just about everybody who we bring in there,

it just-- it creeps 'em out.

There's a different energy in there

like you-- you mentioned in your opening.

It's very well-documented,

the evidence captured is amazing.

Good?

[Brad] Will you get that close cobwebs out?

You see I'm not home so much,

I didn't realize all those cobwebs are back there.

This is really out of my comfort zone, this whole thing.

So, I've lived here uh, 12 years.

12 years now and this is where I do all my-- my podcasts

and throughout my boxing journalistic career

I've accrued quite a few things in the boxing world

writing for magazines and writing for boxing websites.

I've-- I've met just about everybody there is

that's anybody in the boxing world.

h, Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather.

I don't go to the fights anymore though, I don't cover it, I did it for a lot of years.

It was just time to start another chapter.

I got into the paranormal

uh, in-- in-- in-- standing in this very room,

watched TV one day

and a segment that a local news broadcaster

did on Miss Alice's house caught my attention.

I stopped what I was doing, I started watching it

and realized it was really close,

so I reached out to that homeowner and her friend that was also on that segment.

'Cause it was really interesting to me,

especially how close it was.

It was like wow, usually you hear something's haunted or whatever

or whatever it might be

it's a long drive, but this was so close to where I live.

So, I would be interested and it would be really interesting for me

to uh, to see if they'll have me in there

and take a look around.

So that's all,

that's how I started getting into the paranormal.

And it just took off from there.

[Brad] I met Alice and when she told me her story,

I believed her, instantly.

In fact, the first day I came here,

we had-- we had some activity happen in the house

which really piqued my interest up at that point.

- [Brad] Actually, they said - [Alice] You see that?

It was coming towards the stairs and it went--

- out the door-- ooh, ooh, ooh. - [Alice] Look at that there.

[Brad] The next week I came back again,

I captured some more evidence

um, that I felt I couldn't explain.

[Brad] And it-- it just blossomed from there.

We had major equipment failure,

because of spirit activity all up in this sucker.

But this is a REM pod that's going nuts.

I learned some of the stuff through research,

trying things.

Then I got to where I would buy some equipment.

It's-- it's kind of how I learned how to investigate.

Brad Cooney came along a few years ago

and really helped out to what we were doing in the Mississippi house.

[John] It's good to get two investigators who are separate,

who originally never knew each other,

who'd come together and are experiencing the same things in the house.

[Brad] This is my--

I'm beginning my third year investigating this house.

Once I think I figured something out,

something else happens.

Some things I've debunked in-- in the home,

but many things I-- I can't debunk

and that in itself is-- is why I keep doing this.

Because there's things that happen here that I just simply--

I can't figure out why it's happening.

[Brad] Wait, that's gotta be somebody.

[knocks on the furniture]

[bumps into the furniture]

[Brad] Ask for somebody that-- ask if anyone's in there?

[Don] Man.

[Brad] That might've been the most profound noises we've ever heard in here.

[Don] Wow.

[Brad] During our investigations,

we've heard voices in this house.

Doors open.

We've seen light shut off.

So, we would start asking,

you shut that light off again?"

And we've actually gotten direct responses

to where the light would shut off.

[Brad] Can you make any noise or do something for us

that will tell us that we're not alone in here?

[woman] Which one in here?

[Brad] He said the black

[woman] Is this? Oh!

[Brad] Oh my God, will you look at

[woman] And it's on camera.

[Brad] The chandelier just shut off by itself.

We believe it's possible that

spirit activity, spirits that hear us

are communicating with us.

And we try to, get as much as we can for possibly a breakthrough.

[John] So, I do feel like we are teaching the spirits to communicate with us.

I feel like we are teaching the dead

inside the house of Mississippi how to communicate with us.

[John] Please.

I feel your static-charged energy,

turn it up for me, please.

There we go.

- [John] There we go! - [Brad] There we go.

[John] We use a lot of trigger objects inside the house.

We started putting a baseball or two baseballs

on the staircase in the Mississippi house.

And for a while we set 'em up there

and obviously, we tried to communicate to the spirits

that we wanted them to move the baseball,

to roll it down the stairs.

We want nothing more than to hear the baseball bounce down those stairs and hit the floor.

[Brad] That baseball sat idle for days.

But then one day just decided to up and move,

and fall down the steps by itself.

[dramatic music]

[John] Since then it's happened several times.

[Brad] What the hell's going on in this house?

Why do things move that aren't supposed to move?

Things defy physics.

I want answers.

What happens when we die?

Is there a-- does our-- do we retain our consciousness when we cross over and--

and this is what we're hearing and seeing in-- in this house.

The ball moving has intrigued me the most.

That's something' that I'm really hungry to find out why.

Why is that ball moving?

Is there something' behind it?

Why? I have no idea why this is happening.

Let's bring in somebody who might,

I think that's very, very important.

[contractor] Let's see what we got.

What this does, it holds a level point,

this is what we're gonna shoot from.

Zero.

Side to side, it's level.

There might be a little slope up here, but...

[Alice] Where? Up there, yeah.

[Scott] I couldn't see why it would roll down there. Okay.

[Alice] I am happy to know the-- the slope,

because we do have our doors open and close.

And uh, so it's not from, you know, 'cause somebody might say,

"Oh, it's 'cause your house is not level." No.

Or if the ball rolls, "Maybe it's 'cause your house is not level." No.

No, but what's crazy is your house has been level since...

- Since a long time ago. - '06.

- '06, uh-huh. - Yeah,

the measurements are still the same.

Yeah.

[Alice] I hope that by bringing experts in

that there will be some discoveries made

that will be important to us all.

How can objects move that have no apparent energy source?

There's obviously an answer, but we don't know it.

There's some sort of convergence of energy here

that we can't explain.

So, in my opinion all that's working fine

to the chandelier and these lights.

And I checked the breaker,

the breaker's shutting it off and good voltage there.

This dimmer here, it works fine.

Uh, sometimes the dimmers would go bad

and make it, you know, go dimmer.

But that seems to be working fine.

At this time, I'm not finding anything wrong with it.

So, I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.

I would-- I mean I would've liked to have seen it

doing what it would, y'all said it did though.

That would be interesting to me.

I think electricals' fine, there's nothing wrong with it.

I think you-- you're looking at something else.

[John] So, when you stopped, after the lights happened,

you decided, "I'm not gonna stay here anymore."

Did you think about it when you weren't here?

The first few nights you didn't stay at the house,

were you kinda wondering what was going on?

Did you think about coming back

and trying to stay at the house again?

- Or after you made the decision - No.

[John] That was it?

No, that was-- that was clear cut.

I'm outta there. Yeah.

Because-- because I thought nobody could help me.

I mean, if you're here and something',

if there's an intelligence that's greater than you

and they have these abilities that are greater than you,

you know you're gone and nobody--

nobody's gonna be able to help.

No, but I mean you could tell the-- the real fear,

because again you know

It's one of those things you don't talk a lot about, you know especially in the South.

But when it gets to the point

where you wanna reach out to somebody,

which I'm glad you did

Uh, because we uncovered a whole mountain of stuff, you know.

I think there's times that we could push ourselves.

But this house sometimes is so intense

I have to back away.

There's only so much I can take, you know?

I-- I-- I have a passion for this field, documentation, but

this house will push you to uh, a whole another limit.

Well, you brought up a great point about--

'cause people have asked you and me also,

"Why would you be scared if you've been there so many times?"

It's because we've experienced what this house can do.

And when you're in this house by yourself, when it's dark, l

ights are off, door's locked...

- [Brad] Yep. - It's a different ballgame.

Well, it's interesting that you know, it took the lights

to be the tipping point for you to reach out

and actually express it and start getting people in here to help you.

I mean, maybe somebody else has experienced that,

maybe somebody else understands what it might be.

[phone ringing]

[Alice's voice over the phone]

[Steve] So, I was invited by Alice

to come and investigate her house.

At first, I was a little hesitant,

but I talked to her on the phone

and something really is troubling her.

You know, I could just tell how sincere she was

and how much this house scared her.

I mean, the fact that it's been 10 years

and she hasn't slept in the house.

And the fact that she's opened it up to other people

trying to figure out what is happening here.

And they showed me a lot of things that I couldn't explain.

There may be something paranormal happening,

but it could be anything, you know?

But I wanna start checking things off.

"Okay, no, it's not this."

And I wanna help them get to the bottom of it.

- [Steve] Hi, Alice. - How are you doing?

- [Steve] How are you? - Good.

- [Steve] It's nice to see you. - Aww, it's good to see you.

- [Steve] Thank you. - [Alice] It really is.

Uh, I have some uh, people here and

- Hey, y'all. - ...we're ready to do this.

[Steve] John and Brad realized

that they've sort of done about all that they can.

Now it's time to step in and bring it to the next level.

It's time to bring in some-- some other people.

I got all of these different experts

to come together and get answers.

[Morgan] Millions of years ago,

when the dinosaurs walked the Earth,

this area was actually the bottom of the shallow sea.

If you find a dinosaur bone in Mississippi,

it's not gonna be a land-based dinosaur.

In fact, it's a huge prehistoric whale

in the Mississippi science museum.

All this life settles to the bottom

and over the eons becomes limestone.

Florence was an early area of mining for this limestone.

[John] The house is not an 1800s house,

the house was built in the '90s.

And even at the construction of the house,

she already had experiences going on.

To me, I would assume that something' associated with the land

and not necessarily the house.

I'm Qilin Dai from Jackson State University,

assistant professor of physics.

There is a theory out there that limestone

...can perhaps retain energy and release it.

Uh, would that be something that's possible in your opinion?

[Qilin] I think it's very possible.

Limestone and mineral-- other minerals,

they can absorb energy.

The simplest way for a lime or rock

to absorb energy is the heat,

so they can be heated,

so then they have this energy, thermo energy.

And then they can deliver this energy,

so energy can be transported through them.

[Steve] Do you think that--

anything like underground water

or moving water could create a static charge?

Is that even a possibility?

[Qilin] With water underground the earth

cannot create any charges.

Maybe because of lighting something from nature,

it can be charged,

but they cannot create new charges.

So, this is law.

Okay. As you can see here,

and this is a-- a ball here and um

- and... - Where is the ball?

See that little circle right there?

- Oh, I see it, I see it. - Yeah.

And what happens a lot of the time

is it will propel forward

and just start to fall down the stairs.

And, in your opinion,

would it be possible that energy could do that?

It's not earthquake?

That was my first thought. It was

Yeah, it's a

[Michael] Michael Dennin,

I am the Vice Provost for teaching and learning here at UC Irvine.

So, it's really interesting footage like this

where you have like a ball.

In this case, there's a ball in the stairs

and then it suddenly moves and rolls down the stairs.

First of all, it's a ball,

so that's kind of makes it a little easier,

'cause those do roll.

Um, the challenge is figuring out

what would've kicked or got the ball rolling.

The dramatic part is simply that the ball starts it all.

Being on stairs, once it gets going,

it's gonna fall down the stairs

and that part is pretty straightforward.

This is a bit of a challenge.

You can't deny that the ball moved.

I can speculate, I can say things like,

"There's a little bit of shaking in the house."

Some wind you didn't notice.

Which is harder to believe, 'cause winds hardly move a ball.

There's a lot of ways I can imagine if I wanted to fool you,

I could certainly set up ways

that a ball would move with nobody home.

If the ball is made of iron and then they have the uh...

- [Steve] Magnet. - Magnet.

To attract or you know, repel that--

- that is come different story for this. - I see.

[Steve] So, you think if the--

maybe it's more trickery than

[Qilin] Yeah.

[Steve] I bet air will do a little bit.

[Brad] There's no breeze

coming through this house that's this powerful?

[Alice] No.

[Qilin] A ball can move by itself

maybe we could not see the uh, force,

for example like air.

We cannot see the air, but we can prove there are air there.

[Qilin] We could not see the motion,

but we can see the results, we can see it's moving.

As a scientist, I don't believe ghosts at all.

I believe science.

[Michael] Without it being a complete hoax,

how would you explain something like this?

I know ultimately the end result is a physics action,

like the ball starts moving,

so the immediate cause of that also has to be a physics action.

I-- I do think it--

it's not air, it's not wind, uh, it's certainly not magnet.

[Brad] I-- I think we could check under the stairs maybe.

[Steve] There's no holes here.

Do you wanna see what happens

if I give it a bit of punch up here?

- [man] Yeah. - See if the ball moves maybe.

[man] Go ahead.

[Steve] Anything?

[man] Nothing, it's not even moving.

[Michael] If you really were there,

I guess rule out what I would call, "the trivial physical cases",

and rule out the-- the cases of hoaxes,

then you're into this interesting realm of,

"Okay, something physical caused it,

but what caused that physical?"

Most ideas of a ghost

involve the ghost being non-physical

in some fundamental way.

Any paranormal explanation

is still going to involve

something applying a force to the ball.

And so therefore,

the thing applying the force by definition,

we've just made it physical.

So, it's just an interesting conundrum

that, to me, moves it from science to detective story.

[Brad] In the years that I've been here,

I want to experience some lights.

I've seen so many things in this house

and with my own eyes,

but that's what I wanna-- that's what I wanna see.

Those lights that you saw.

We got all kinds of just great stuff

and just stuff that's just direct responses and it's-- it's fully intelligent.

You know, it's not residual,

it's intelligent stuff happening in the house,

but there's that carrot that's dangling

- [Brad] Like the Holy Grail - [John] Those lights

The Holy Grail of what we're trying to capture here

is those-- those-- the lights that Alice saw.

[John] Yeah.

[John] Over the years,

I've experienced one thing with lights.

[John] So, I was upstairs in the bedroom at the Mississippi house

with the door closed, we were doing an EVP session.

It was me and one fellow investigator.

[John] And the bottom frame of the door

turned bright white

and it was almost like a camera shutter,

two to three flashes of light.

I sat there, kind of, in awe for a few minutes.

It was not raining, there was no thunder, the night was clear.

I opened the door and it never happened again.

We luckily did capture that on film.

[Brad] Miss Alice has had experiences with the lights,

the-- these are the-- the lights that have scared her

to where she doesn't want to-- to live in this house anymore.

I personally don't feel that's a spirit activity or a ghost,

I think that's something different.

Perhaps, extra-terrestrial.

It's something different going on with those lights.

There is a woman who lives 7 miles from me,

she's an elderly lady

and so this happened when she was a child,

but she said that her house lit up in a globe.

And she said it was brighter than the sun,

I remember that-- that expression.

Many years ago,

when I lived-- when I worked in Florence,

Alice was in and out of the library where I worked a lot,

'cause she lived close by.

And I was telling her about this light that I saw

when I was growing up

right down in this community.

And I was asleep at night

and I was awake, just fla--

you know, flash and my-- my light in my bedroom

was lighter than-- well, it was just a white light.

A clear white brilliant light.

[Jerry] Flash bulb bright.

- Yeah, something like that. - It's just super, super bright.

The trees and the house on the hill and everything

[Jerry] Brilliant, brilliant

Was just brilliant, brilliant light.

It just faded away.

And I just went back to bed and went back to sleep.

You know, it's just-- there's too much space

to be the only ones here.

[Jeanette] She didn't know what that is in her house

and I don't know what that was at my house.

It's strange, I-- you know,

it-- it's really strange.

[Steve] The woman that I spoke to you about Alice Jackson.

Uh-huh, yes, yeah.

[Steve] Uh, she'd said that in her bedroom...

there was a glowing light and then disappeared.

In-- in your opinion,

is there anything in terms of energy, science,

things that are happening that could create an illuminated ball of light.

A light cannot happen spontaneously,

it has to have origin to have this light.

If we have like other light,

maybe reflection from window or from other place,

it's possible to have that.

Or they have other energy transfer to become light.

Like uh, thermal energy, electric energy,

so it's kind of a complicated question

to-- to be answered simply.

[Walt] There's a phenomenon in nature called "St. Elmo's fire",

which is a static electricity discharge.

If you have a build-up of static electricity for some reason,

yeah, it can cause a glow.

Uh, especially if it has some kind of medium to act on it.

Sometimes, all it takes is just dust in the air.

If it were a ball of lightning she was seeing in her house,

she wouldn't have to ask,

because it would tear something up,

because this is a lot of energy, that's very destructive.

[Michael] Strange lights are often the easiest

to offer different explanations to

of all physics phenomenon.

Light is the most flexible in a weird way.

The challenge is often recreating them

or figuring out exactly what did it, um,

at a level that would make someone confident

that it really was just a physics effect.

If I knew that it was-- had a natural explanation,

you know like, you know, I've heard now various theories

about what could cause lights

and if somebody definitively said,

"Oh, it's the minerals and salt, something, you know,

the natural that's causing the lights."

Then I would immediately not be afraid.

But uh, since that hasn't happened,

it might be UFO stuff,

it might be you know, some sort of inter-dimensional stuff

that was from some civilization that was more advanced than we are.

And so, in the beginning,

you thought they were extra-terrestrial, UFOs?

It-- it crossed my mind.

It really did cross my mind,

that was the very first thing I thought.

I have never seen anything that I can reconcile this with in my history, you know,

reading or anything

except maybe all the stuff that I had heard about UFO stuff.

You know, beams of light and people disappearing.

[Calvin] My name's Calvin Parker and I was abducted in 1973.

October, 1973.

It was just over here, uh,

length of a football field and back that way.

And that's where it sat down

and when it originally sat down on a space in the river.

And I could see the blue lights coming over my shoulder.

When they stopped and it opened up

and then a real bright light come out.

Three robot-looking creatures came out.

Two of 'em got hold of my sail.

Took us aboard, gave us an examination.

I didn't know what a UFO was or an alien was till this happened.

And I still don't know that it was aliens.

It could've been something from an inter-dimension you know,

travelled through.

I hadn't ruled that out.

All I know is something happened.

Certainly, for modern physics,

we do believe that the world is multi-dimensional.

More than just the three dimensions of space we move through

and the one dimension of time.

Most of what we understand about physics

is probably best-explained with extra dimensions.

It becomes interesting to try and figure out and understand

what that means for things like multi-dimensional beings

and how different thing interact with our reality.

And we're not even at the beginning from a physics point of view

to make statements or understand about that.

I think that's an area of physics

that we're gonna find fascinating in the future.

[Steve] I do think that the potential

of extraterrestrial life is there.

Do I think it's in Alice's bedroom?

No, I definitely don't think she is,

you know, waiting for the next alien visit.

But something scared her

and that's what we're trying to figure out.

What is it?

I think it's something paranormal.

This is something ghostly, this is something of our world.

I don't think it's anything that has to do with outer space,

UFOs or extraterrestrials.

[Brad] We are recording. You ready?

- [Alice] You have everything? - [John] I was born ready.

[Brad] Let me just make sure this bad boy is still...

[John] We're here tonight to communicate

with any spirit that's in this house.

We've been here for a long time.

We've logged a lot of hours in this house.

Any intelligent spirit that's in this house tonight,

we want you to come down here and communicate with us.

And make yourself known.

There's devices to alarm to let us know that you're near us.

We want you to come down here

and just like you have many times before

let us know that you're here, let us feel your energy.

[Brad] I might've just saw a light dim.

[Sabrina] It's the REM pod. REM pod's going off.

[Brad] Chandelier light dim right before that.

Just by a few seconds.

[John] Don't worry about the MV.

- [Sabrina] Oh, we got a REM pod going here. - [Brad] The REM pod over here?

[Ilene] All right, y'all go ahead, I'll stay in here and watch this one.

[John] Steady.

[long bip]

[Sabrina] This one is off.

It was steady.

See, I have to see patterns.

If all three REM pods goes off,

I'm a little more interested in this one where REM pod goin' off.

[Brad] I'd like to see like the light go off

and the REM pod to go off at the same time.

That'd be much more convincing for me.

[Sabrina] Yeah. That'd be pretty awesome.

[John] We're trying to understand and help you communicate

throughout the years we've been here.

[strong bips]

[Ilene] Oh, we've got REM pods everywhere.

[Sabrina] Oh! Oh, all of 'em are going off.

- We got one at the mantel. - [Sabrina] We got a big one here.

One on the stairs, um, I don't know.

Brad, anything back here going on?

[Brad] Just the REM pod.

- You have the REM pod too? - [Sabrina] Another REM pod.

[Ilene] All three of 'em were going off.

[Brad] So, all three just went off at the same time?

- [Sabrina] There it goes again. - [Brad] Which is pretty cool,

because I'd-- I'd mentioned before

about wanting to see all three of 'em go off.

[Ilene] And yellow and green.

[John] I can't get a center sell without it going off, huh?

[Alice] Yeah.

- [Brad] Is that all? - [Alice] Yeah, that's where

[Brad] Yeah, I'll just shut my mouth.

It's a little more interesting to me for sure when all these devices go off.

However, I'm still not 100% sold.

[John] We use some uh, devices and

uh, they measure energy.

And uh, we had one set up in the living room,

one in the back bedroom, one in the stairs.

We wanted to separate 'em as much as possible.

Uh, and we do that so there's consistency.

If one can go off, we can manipulate another one.

Uh, if they all go off at the same time,

that's-- that's pretty impressive,

which is indicative of some kind of energy,

something-- uh, something going on.

Something not normal.

It's something, over the years, I've just never had happen.

The light of God surrounds us,

the love of God enfolds us,

the power of God protects us,

the presence of God watches over us.

Wherever we are, God is and all is well.

[strong bip]

[Brad] There's a REM pod going.

[Sabrina] Oh, where's that REM pod?

- [Ilene] Is that REM pod up there? - [Brad] Back bedroom.

[Ilene] Back in that-- you or is it going off?

[John] Back room! Here.

[Brad] Okay, great.

[strong bip]

[John] This room is heavy, man.

And as soon as I came in the room, I felt uneasy.

[Alice] We've actually had two mediums

who didn't know each other and hadn't been here before

and both of 'em said that there was a figure

that they felt a presence of it near that chair.

And that he really was stern and-- and guarded.

He was like a guard for the, you know the room,

the place that he felt like, it was his place.

- [Brad] Interesting. - [John] Just like that.

[Brad] I can't explain that-- that much consistency.

That was wild.

[Steve] Alice has had psychics investigate the house before

and she wanted to have another one take a look around.

And I don't use psychics on-- on many investigations

just because it's very hard to quantify what they're saying,

but this was important to Alice.

So, we got somebody from out of state,

they came from California.

One thing I did think it was important is

using a psychic or a medium

who has never been to the house before

and even furthermore,

making sure they didn't have any idea where they were going.

She didn't know anything,

only because that would lend more credibility to what they were saying.

[woman] Very interesting.

Oh, okay.

Now am I--

- do you just want me to go on in. - [Steve] Yeah, that's right.

- [Steve] Ring the bell. - [Jill] Yeah.

- Hi! - [Jill] Hi.

- [Jill] I'm Jill. - I'm Alice. Come in.

- Nice to meet you, Alice. - Nice to meet you, too.

Thank you for having me here.

Absolutely, we're delighted.

- Where would you like me to go? - The house is yours.

- Okay. - [Alice] This is yours.

[Jill] Very good.

So uh, what I'll do is I'm just gonna start down here.

I am not gonna say too much at first,

if you have any questions though for me, feel free to ask.

Okay.

[Alice] And I'm just gonna sit over here.

[Jill] Hmm. Is this a door to go outside?

[Alice] It is, you can open it if you'd like.

- [Jill] Do you mind? - [Alice] No, not at all.

- [Jill] Okay, I have to do this. - [Alice] Not at all.

[Jill] I have to get out here and look at this.

It's very interesting.

[Jill] Can I ask you a question?

Was there a house that was right over here

- that's no longer there? - Behind Yes.

[Jill] That's what I thought, okay.

That's important to me.

What I like to do is I just like to go through

and pick some really strong focal points

and then I'm gonna address them

like I did with that other door.

I'm just checking everything out.

Okay.

This one now.

[Jill] Wow.

There's a lot of different dimensions going on,

there's a lot of shifting going on in this house.

Okay.

I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions.

About a week ago, I started having some very unusual dreams

that turned into what I call a "series."

I document them, I have a dream diary.

I also sometimes sketch.

What is so unusual

is as soon as I saw that door, went outside,

I knew this was the door.

This is the sketch that I did,

the walking stick leaning up against the door.

- Do you have a walking stick? - Uh, uh, hundreds.

[Jill] That's-- that's insane.

[Alice] With faces, I collect 'em.

[Jill] I don't even know if I should say this.

- I don't know if this - I'm a psychiatric nurse,

I've heard of murder stories, I've heard of abuse, everything

i don't want you to panic, it's nothing to panic about

but it is to me, it's a very sad imprint.

There was somebody killed in your backyard.

I do think there were landowners that lived here initially

that did not treat people so well.

The male, I feel him here.

I don't use this phrase very often,

but he was an evil person.

And I do think he had something to do

with the man that was killed in the back.

He's going to do whatever he can to try to get you to give up.

If he could burn this house down, he would.

Like I keep seeing things on fire,

it's constantly setting fire, constantly setting fire.

We had a number of people who heard that.

[loud bip]

[Steve] Then that's weird.

[Jill] You struck a thought.

I've heard of history of fires in this town.

[Mary Alice] Florence burned several times.

First time it was uh,

facing west and when they rebuilt,

they built it north,

so that's the reason it's built with facing north now.

[Jill] Do we know what caused the fire?

And from what I know, they-- they don't know.

I mean, you know?

- But the fire created - But there

Wherever the fire was created,

the-- the uh, geographical reconfiguration.

- [fire detector bips] - [Alice] Uh-huh.

That's what-- that's what he was saying that -- that-- that-- that

[Jill] It's a fire detector.

[Brad] All right, right there in the hallway.

[Jill] Smoke detector.

We're talking about fire

and the smoke detector battery beeps.

[Alice] My neighbor Erin next door,

moved there when she was 5 years old.

And uh, she's had a very significant part in this house,

but the main thing is that when she was 5 years old,

she would tell me that there was something buried in the backyard.

And I would say, "What?"

And she would say, "It might be a body."

I've lived in this house next door

since I was about 5 years old.

And ever since I've lived here,

I've always thought there was something different

about next-door even as a child.

Uh, I would walk over there sometimes

and one day I was over there

and I just had a strong feeling of,

"Oh, there's something, something different."

And uh, I was probably 6 or 7 years old.

And I was just convinced

that there was somebody buried in the backyard.

And um, I-- I told my parents for years

that there is somebody buried in that backyard.

And uh, you couldn't convince me otherwise.

And I-- I still think that now.

I was very adamant about it as a child.

And I still get that feeling

over there and when I'm in that spot, I'm just driven to that--

that particular area and I always have been.

One time I-- I said I was gonna go dig it up

and prove that there was something there.

If you walk between our house and Alice's,

you'll see the property line.

These big oak trees that make a straight line.

That's the property line.

Seems like once you cross that property line, you're...

- In a different dimension. - You're protected, yeah.

- Yeah. - It won't let us...

My parents sadly have never had anything happen um,

we never uh noticed anything, heard anything,

but the minute you cross back over this tree line into her yard,

it um-- you can just feel it that it's here.

I was visiting with Miss Alice once

and we were sitting in the dining room up-- under the-the chandelier light.

And she goes, "Look, look up."

And I looked up and the-- the chandelier um,

it had rotated itself like with the chain,

there was no tension in it.

It was-- it was tilted on its side.

And I screamed, I mean,

real loud scream and she screamed

and both of us jumped up and ran over to the front door.

And the chandelier let go

and it was swinging so hard and far,

like this, just going

Like a pendulum.

Yeah, it was scary.

I've been scared over there

and just scared to go over there many times.

[John] Flashlight?

Here, give you a light.

Thank you.

- [Brad] Hey, Erin. - [Erin] Hey.

[Jill] So

I'm doing well, how are you doing?

- [Brad] Good, good to see you. - [Erin] You too.

How are you?

- [Erin] I'm good. - [John] Long time no see.

You doing all right?

- Yeah, I'm hanging in there. - [John] Good, good.

[Alice] So, we're going to go

to where you think

there might be something in the backyard.

- Yes. - Okay.

- There are a couple of spots. - So, we're gonna follow you.

Okay.

[Alice] Watch your steps.

[Brad] So, you felt like drawn to this spot, Erin?

Yeah, since I was uh, probably about 6 years old,

I've always felt that there was--

there's something over on this land.

That every time I was in one of-- in this spot,

one of the stronger ones,

I just always thought it was a body here.

Or something significant happened to the body here.

But this is one of the main ones.

This was the one that I-- I came to when I was real little.

We would come over here and play like little tea parties

And stuff at her backyard.

She'd let us in.

And I just didn't want to come play in this spot.

Erin actually did find four bodies near the Pearl River.

People knew they were there from the Civil War

and uh, and adults were trying to find those bodies and they couldn't.

That other guy told me that

when he took me along that sometimes children

are more open to-- to things

that adults want to be close-minded to.

And so, he wanted me to try it.

And um,

everywhere that I walked over and they crossed,

they put a flag and then later that day,

went and did whatever they do.

And where I had marked, they found all four bodies.

[Brad] That validates this one here.

- Validates, yeah. - Right.

[Brad] And what else.

How could you have more validation than that,

that's impressive.

Well, you wanna try to do a EVP session right here?

- [Brad] Sure. - Are you okay with that?

Oh yeah, take it around?

But-- but you know, you can grab onto me.

- Okay. - You trust me after a few years, don't you?

Yeah, I'll do it, I'll hang out-- okay.

All right, you ready?

- [Brad] Yeah. - Okay.

Is there somebody out here in the yard?

Or the land?

Can you give us some kind of sign

that you're aware that Erin is standing right here?

Do you know Erin?

[Brad] Hear that?

- [John] It's like rustling in the bushes. - [Brad] Yeah, yeah.

Is there something buried in the yard?

[loud thump]

I'm not gonna lie, I jumped a little.

[Brad] That was a little-- it was kinda loud.

It was kinda loud whatever that was.

- [John] Can you tell us what - [Erin] I feel like I'm gonna throw up.

- [Brad] Really? - Real sick.

Mm-hmm.

Just give me a-- I just need to breathe.

- [John] Okay. - Let me breath for a moment.

- [John] Wanna walk out this way? - [Erin] Mm-hmm.

- [Brad] Which way? - [Erin] Just over here to the bushes.

[John] Oh my God.

- [Brad] You okay? - [Erin] Mm-hmm.

[Erin gagging]

[John] You okay?

[Erin] My stomach just got tied up in knots.

[John] It's okay.

[Erin] I don't think I've ever spent

longer than four seconds standing in that spot.

[Steve] Right now, we have a dog roaming the property

and trying to see if he can get hits

and see if he can pick up

on the scent of the bacteria that feeds on human remains.

[Robert] Probing the aerated soil,

so that if there is any cadaver source here

it will allow the odor

to come up easier

and make it a little stronger for the dog to be able to work.

[Paulette] Slight interest and you can see

where he kept going back to that one area.

So, I'm going to run him through that area.

If it's someone buried,

the dog's gonna show a lot of interest to the trees.

And if a body is buried somewhere

and the trees grow up,

well they use the body as nourishment.

And so, the tree takes on that odor

and it's in their leaves and things like that.

[Paulette] He's going around these clumps of trees.

These are the only trees that he's looking up into, you know,

cause there are a lot of trees on this property,

but this section was what he's showing interest in

and looking up into the trees.

It's kinda like when we did a case in another state,

the body was buried

uh, and then they went back and dug it up

and moved it to another location.

The odor and the decomp was still in the ground.

So, it's that type of thing.

So, yeah it could be way old.

[Paulette] He's not given us a definite location.

He's just giving us where he is picking up odor

and it's coming through the trees.

It's the odor that he has been trained for,

I would investigate and see

whether or not there was a cemetery here.

And if they moved any bodies

and that may give you an answer to why the odor is here.

We brought some cadaver dogs over there, right?

[Jeanette] Uh-huh.

Um, which they smell decomposition and bacteria

that feeds on human bodies-- that sort of thing.

And those dogs were picking up

that odor in and around her yard

and so, we wanted to do a little research and see if perhaps

there's ever been any sort of evidence

of a burial there or a graveyard at any point in time?

This is a picture of the Florence Cemetery.

[Steve] Right, yep.

This part that's clear

that is the original part of the cemetery.

[Steve] All this here?

- All of this. - [Steve] Okay, okay.

When the town burned, all of the records were burned.

And there is not any records anywhere on that part of it.

[Steve] I see.

Do you think where Miss Alice's house is that perhaps

there could have been something like that

before record keeping, like before it all burnt?

It could be, but if it is,

I don't think there is any record of that.

So, if there was a grave of some sort or a burial

where Miss Alice lives now,

it would've had to have been before the fire.

[Jeanette] Right.

In regards to this, where is Alice's house?

Is it say, north?

- [Jeanette] Okay. Right. - Is it east or west?

[Jeanette] All right, she's on this Clear Branch road.

[Steve] Okay.

[Jeanette] So, it will be up here.

Okay, so her house is somewhere...

Her house would be around here.

So, her house is around here where the unmarked section is.

Right, it would be on about there.

[Steve] So, there are plenty of unmarked burials in Florence,

but no real evidence to show

that it's right there on Alice's property.

But nobody knows where those burials were prior to the fire.

After the fire, everything was destroyed.

All the records for the town,

so, there could have been something prior.

We can't jump to any conclusions, but we can speculate.

[Steve] Would you ever consider moving back into the house and living here?

What would it take?

I uh--

if I didn't live here alone, you know,

if somebody else lived with me,

I'd probably, you know, I could do it, I could do it.

But-- but alone here, uh, I haven't come to that point.

I mean, I haven't been to that place yet.

I really haven't.

I'm not saying I couldn't, but I haven't.

I'm not ready yet.

Because I still, I still don't know where I might end up.

[Steve] I hope this process helps her,

I really do, that's the goal, that's what we're trying to...

I think we're 80% there, to be honest with you.

I think we're about 80% there.

Are we ever gonna get her back in the house sleeping at night?

I don't know.

I hope through this process, it uh...

There's no crying in ghost hunting, so...

I want to get to the point

where we can get her at peace with all of this.

She wants to get back here,

she wants to live here, she wants to be in here.

She wants to do everything.

She knew it was the place to raise a family,

her daughter, her everything.

And uh, it was taken away from her and uh,

we need to get that back.

[Alice] The reason I still have my house and I haven't sold it

is because I really believe it has a purpose.

I think, you know, opening it up to people

is the way that something will be found.

If I sold it, somebody else might not be open to that.

But I think there's more to it.

I think everybody involved in this house

has a real closeness,

a genuine concern about each other.

I really have enjoyed the people that I've met.

Uh, I have a lot of special affection for John and Brad.

I mean, I really do, I feel like they're family.

And even though we have our lives separate, from here

we-- we are definitely connected here.

[Brad] It's been quite a ride from the first day I was here

to my current uh, relationship

and friendship with Miss Alice.

Alice will be in my life forever

even-- uh, maybe when I pass away, when I cross over,

if she crosses over before me, we will hang out.

If uh-- if I cross over,

well maybe I'll kick the ball down the steps on her.

Being involved in investigating paranormal activity

has become a mid-life second wind for me.

It's something that I've found that I really enjoy doing.

And couple that with helping a friend,

Miss Alice, really has been beneficial for my life.

It's just-- it's added a--

a fresh chapter in my mid-life years.

It's made me wanna get up

and hit-- hit the ground running more in my life.

So, it's a very, very important part of my life now.

[John] We're a great team.

We make time for each other and I think that

we are locked in to figuring out what's going on in the house.

I would like to see Alice in a happy place

where she's satisfied with the work that we've done.

And I think she's gotten some answers.

I think there's key answers that she still has not had.

And end game for the Mississippi house.

In my opinion, I don't know if there is one,

and I think that this is a house where we're learning,

we're teaching.

And I think it's something that we can continue to do

for years to come.

[dramatic music]

- [Brad] I put it on there this morning. - [John] Yeah.

[John] What do you mean you put it on this morning?

- [Brad] I aimed my camera. - [Steve] You did?

- [John] Hey! Check this! - [Brad] No, I aimed the camera

[John] Check it, how do you check it?

- [Steve] I don't know. - [John] I got chills right now.

Dude, that just did that.

I don't-- wasn't near it, nobody was there.

I saw that.

- [Steve] So, if we got that... - [John] Dude, here.

- [Brad] We got that. - [John] Holy!

[Steve] Do you know how to check it on there?

How to bring it up on there?

[Brad] Yeah, it's gonna be quick right here.

[Steve] That's okay. It-- it'll be...

[John] Dude, come on, you gotta be kidding me right now.

[Brad] Don't believe it.

Yeah, here we go, here's my last shot.

It was rolling.

- [John] Yeah, we got it? - [Brad] Yeah, it's not there anymore.

All right, so I was inside

and I was running around, I'm trying to get this gear sent out,

because we have gear shipping out today.

Got the camera, I'm messing with that

and I'm just going inside of the house.

And nobody was right here at all,

nobody was in the house, it was just me.

Uh, and I'm walking by and all of a sudden, I hear this ball

falling, falling down the stairs and there it is.

We're checking if we have it on camera right now.

There's the ball and it came from up there.

I like it,

but the fact that there's people in the house

moving around, all that stuff.

- [John] Okay, yeah. - Just kinda makes me like...

[Kendall] I w-- I was the only one in the house.

- [Steve] Yeah, it's true. - [Kendall] You know what I mean?

- [Kendall] And I - [Brad] Yeah, you were outside.

[Kendall] I-- I promise, dude.

Like I-- this whole thing's about honesty,

like I'm honest with you guys.

I was walking with the ball as it was

- [Brad] We just saw. - [Kendall] I heard a noise

and I looked over and it was like

dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk.

[John] I mean we have like f---.

I mean this is the clip, this is the footage we've been waiting,

like this is evidence that we've been waiting to get.

- [Steve] Who's that? - [Brad] Oh, that must be Alice.

[Kendall] Uh-oh. Oh, dude!

- [Steve] Can you pull it back? - [Brad] Oh yeah.

[Steve] What are-- like what are your thoughts?

I'm really curious, what do you think?

Well... I mean, you guys see this all-- look see that

[Brad] Okay, I'm gonna pause it, I'm gonna frame this.

- [Brad] Hey guys! - [John] Yeah?

- [Brad] There's nobody in here. - [John] What?

- Get outta here! - [Steve] So, we had a door move?

I don't know.

But it-- it sounded like the front door opened or closed.

- But... - [John] No, I definitely heard that.

I-- you thought it was Alice.

[Kendall] Dude, I got freaking chills on my hand right now.

- [Steve] Wait a second, look, no - [Kendall] Get outta here.

- [John] No, wait, wait, wait. - [Kendall] What?

[John] Let's hear that. Okay.

I think the wind probably blew it open.

[Kendall] Alright.

I mean that would be my assessment.

- I think that's what it was. - [Kendall] Okay.

- Honestly, I think - [Kendall] Yep.

Everybody just for whatever reason leaves this door like

this, it's never really

You know?

But that doesn't explain the ball.

[Kendall] What do you think?

I mean it's happened in this house many times.

Like eight or nine times.

So, I mean it's always exciting when it happens.

It's always exciting when it happens.

I mean that door sound is interesting.

And you know the thing is, I mean it could be wind, right?

[Steve] We-- well, yeah.

The doors open?

[Brad] So, it closes by itself.

- [Kendall] Wait a minute. - Well, assuming it's that door.

Because I thought it was that front door

swinging open and hitting the closet door.

But the door's open right now.

So, it either wasn't that door, it was a different door.

[Brad] Definitely sounded like a door closing.

[Brad] A few days went by and I was wondering what that noise was.

Something that I wanted to figure out.

And it was just bothering me, it was frustrating me for real.

It was a frustrating four or five days, I think.

I was trying to figure out what it was.

The camera back there, it was aiming that way behind me.

And I noticed some movement

in the reflection of the chandelier.

It has a brass ball like un-- un-- un-- beneath it.

So, I started looking closer at that

and I zoomed in and then bam!

My heart started racing.

What I saw you know,

were two-- two different doors um, opening.

And then one of 'em open and closed.

It was like something-- it was like something just came through.

It's one thing to capture a door opening,

but it's really a different level

when you see a door open and then close itself.

Like that I mean I haven't seen that before.

Now I can't tell you what-- what the heck did that.

But something moved not only the chandelier

but opened and closed doors.

[Jill] It's very interesting.

That's important to me.

[Brad] Theoretically,

a gust of wind could open it maybe,

but open and close it, two of 'em?

In theory, I guess it's possible.

Don't forget you know, minutes, minutes before that

a baseball

was flipped down the steps.

And the doors were closed.

Not to mention there was hardly any breeze at all.

This is a Mississippi hot summer day.

So-- so when you bundle all that up

and you look at that,

that is some dramatic activity

all within minutes.

You see now we got lights like coming--

yeah, those lights are freaking out.

I don't have all the answers, I just don't think it was normal.

You know, was it a ghost?

Yeah, it could be.

It wasn't a human in physical form.

This is-- and this is gonna continue on.

It's-- it's not to the point where she'll just be,

"Okay, it's over with."

Until we can figure out what's going on,

Miss Alice is going to wanna

pursue and keep trying to find the answers.

What created those lights?

And I'll be right by her side.

We're-- we're gonna do this together and figure this out.

Bless Alice, Lord.

And be with her always.

[Walt] I think the attraction to all of it is,

there's always been the question, what's after death?

And anybody who hasn't thought about, that is a liar.

I think if you find proof of ghost,

then you found your proof of life after death.

And you don't have to just take it on faith.

And we being human beings, we'd like to have proof of it.

Uh, I really think that's the attraction of it.

I-- I think that that will always be the attraction of ghost stories.

I think this is one of those mysterious areas of life

that this is gonna have to be something that people deal with

in their own hearts, their own minds.

And come to their own conclusions.

And just be true to themselves.

When I was growing up, my grandmother

told us one time that uh, they had a ghost in their house.

Every night that ghost would come there and go up the steps.

So finally, they decided they would go

and they would find out what the ghost was.

So, they went out that night

and about the middle of the night,

here come several goats going up and down the steps,

up and down the steps.

So, their ghost was a goat ghost. Debunk.

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