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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

SARAH EDMONSON: I'm the front page of the New York Times.

All of a sudden, the whole world knows.

I'm hoping the authorities will take another look.

WOMAN: I hope so too.

KRISTIN KEEFFE: I gave up making millions to help build the company.

During my nine years there,

there were 12 women he was intimate with.

I held a forum.

WOMAN 2: There were nine women who wanted to confront Keith.

We all resigned.

We wrote our resignation letter asking for money

that was owed to us.

This is extortion. We are filing criminal charges.

WOMAN 2: They said that I had done

all of these crimes against them.

So I had to defend all of those.

CATHERINE OXENERG: I just spoke to Frank Parlato.

MAN:

CATHERINE: This is my last resort,

going to the media,

and unless there's outrage, the authorities are not gonna

step in and do what they should do,

which is shut this down.

Oh, my God, it's the attorney general!

♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

Nancy Salzman: The negative aspect of shame is what you feel with guilt.

Shame is actually the fear of approaching,

or being associated with others,

because of whatever you did.

In other words, you did something that was shameful.

Shame is when you don't want to be associated with something,

so you fearfully run away from it.

Just like guilt, shame is a verdict we pass on ourselves.

But the issue here is how you handle shame.

(fire crackling)

Someone who is at cause doesn't feel shame in the same way.

As the results of their actions unfold to them,

they feel a strong motivation to stop it.

When the at cause person sees something they've done going awry,

and realizes that they've participated in something

that goes against their values,

they're motivated to face it, and do something about it.

They feel empowered.

("Dream State" by Son Lux playing)

♪ Days we were young ♪

♪ We took photographs of everything we could see ♪

♪ We had to run from it ♪

♪ Priest and prophetess ♪

♪ We were nothing we would defy ♪

♪ Oh, invisible skin ♪

♪ Where is the world within ♪

♪ Invincible skin ♪

♪ It's how we all begin ♪

Catherine Oxenberg: In the past two weeks,

since the "New York Times" articles have come out,

I would say 100 publications have picked up the story.

"People" to "Megyn Kelly" to "20/20," "Nightline."

This is, like, all over the freaking world.

And I am conflicted,

because I have a child who's blaming me

for potentially destroying her reputation for the rest of her life.

This is a horrible situation for a parent to be in.

He's not even commented.

I sent him the media that we got online yesterday,

I texted him the cover of the newspaper.

He's not even... I said, "We need to talk."

Nothing. Nothing!

And I am a tad hysterical right now.

Part of me was fantasizing that she would say, "Mom, come get me.

You're right. I want to come home."

And that's not the case at all.

In fact, quite the opposite.

(sighs) I texted her...

"Darling, please call me. I love you."

Nothing. No response.

And quite frankly, if I were in her position,

I would be pretty pissed, too.

(video chat beeping)

Sarah Edmondson (over computer): Hello?

Oxenberg: Hi, love.

- How are you? - I'm okay.

Edmondson: Catherine, you said you have news.

- Can you fill us in? - (phone ringing)

Oxenberg (over computer): Yeah. Okay, so,

the chief investigator in the Attorney General Schneiderman's office

has reached out to me,

and they're interested in the criminal angle.

What we need

is evidence of criminality,

that will help bolster a criminal case.

We need to be able to collect all the evidence,

-to hand a package in to the authorities. -Okay.

Mark Vicente (over computer): We need more people to come out on the record,

stating their experience. And if those people

have been involved in illegal activities,

or aware of illegal activities,

- we need that information. - Oxenberg: Mm-hmm.

Edmondson: Okay, here is a question, guys.

Who can we bring in to help us,

because all of us can't do all of this.

Look... look, remember, we have different agendas.

I have a child to save.

- I don't want to burden you... - Of course.

- With extra stuff, so. - No.

Edmondson: This is, she's not my child, but I...

I'll have your back wherever you want me to have your back.

-Okay? -Thank you, Sarah. That means a lot to me.

Edmondson: All right, I'm gonna start a list.

Anyone for sure that we can trust.

And I'm just gonna say, "Who wants to help?"

Is that okay?

-Yeah, fantastic. -Yeah, that's great. I think that's great.

Vicente: And remember Frank Parlato?

He has a lot of sources inside and outside of ESP

that report to him.

He's says he's got about 30 people.

Right now, he has more information

about what's going on than really anybody else.

Bonnie Piesse: Some of the stuff Frank writes is very vulgar,

and over the top.

Like it's really rough.

♪♪

Oxenberg: Every time there's an article about India,

-and they're usually pretty graphic... -Piesse: Mm-hmm.

It hurts.

But I don't interfere with his reporting.

- Is that what it was? - Nippy Ames: Yeah.

(Ames speaking)

(toaster beeps)

Ames: I mean, he's kind of strong-arming these women

who are not really understanding.

They're scared to come out, and get,

you know, screwed by this whole thing.

He's not at all remotely sensitive to that.

Edmondson: (sighs) Frank has published lies

about people that have really hurt them.

Ames: I think he is potentially guilty of some things

but they pale in comparison to everything else that's going on.

(phone jingling)

Oxenberg: Frank Parlato.

- Frank? - Frank Parlato (over phone):

-Oxenberg: Hey, how are you? -I'm okay.

Oxenberg: The chief investigator called me.

He wants a meeting with me on Monday, November 6th.

But I need all the evidence in hand.

Otherwise, it's a waste of a meeting.

But I want to strategize, and...

I'm... Are you available that weekend prior?

(Parlato speaking)

Monday. So I have the weekend to prepare.

(Parlato speaking)

Mm-hmm.

♪♪

Oxenberg: I've never met him in person.

I imagine he's a character.

He is a character.

And he was kind of odd on the phone when I first reached out.

But the more I got to know him,

the more I realized we have the same agenda.

And I think he's helped a lot of people get out.

(line ringing)

Mom, you picked up!

- Princess Elizabeth: What? - I said hello.

Oxenberg: Listen, I need you to do something.

(Princess Elizabeth speaking)

Oxenberg: Can you call Charles and get a direct contact

- with the Dalai Lama? - Princess Elizabeth: Uh-huh?

I want to tell him that my daughter's being held as a sex slave,

- to this organization because... - Princess Elizabeth: Yes.

He should probably make some sort of public statement.

And Charles is very close with him.

(Princess Elizabeth speaking)

-Fantastic. All right. So, I just... -(indistinct)

Yeah, I'm landed in... I'm in Buffalo,

driving right now to Frank Parlato's house

to put together the evidence.

- (Princess Elizabeth speaking) - For my meeting on Monday.

(Princess Elizabeth speaking)

Oxenberg: Tonight we're staying at Frank's house.

(Princess Elizabeth speaking)

No, I've never met him in person. (laughs)

(Princess Elizabeth speaking)

(laughing) I think so.

(both laughing)

Oxenberg: What do you think of The Frank Report?

(Princess Elizabeth speaking)

-Oxenberg: All right, love you, Mom. -(Princess Elizabeth speaking)

- Bye. (kisses) I shall. - (Princess Elizabeth speaking)

Kiss, kiss. Bye.

Oxenberg: Prince Charles.

He's Mom's second cousin.

Oxenberg: That's it?

-It's the one that looks like the Addams Family? -Producer: Yeah.

Hi. It's so good to meet you.

- This is Jerry. - Oxenberg: Hi.

-Jerry: Hi. Nice to meet you. -Oxenberg: Hi. Lovely to meet you.

- Parlato: That's Brad. - Oxenberg: Who's Brett?

- Parlato: Brad. - Oxenberg: Brad.

I'm Catherine. Nice to meet you.

So, where do you want to work? Are we gonna need a table?

- Are we gonna need... - Oh, we need the printer. Brad...

- I got the printer. - (all chattering)

- Oh, I gotta get the paper. - Paper.

Woman: I'll do the... Paper's in the front seat.

- Would you help me? - Woman 2: Yeah, I'll grab it.

(chattering)

Got enough? Got enough film?

Producer: Um, yeah. We can do as much as we... as much as you want.

Let's do "cut" right now, 'cause I gotta talk something private.

Yeah, but you see, the real chess people,

the greatest chess people, including myself,

we don't need a board.

We keep the whole game in our head.

You plan out 14 steps ahead. I'm seven to go.

Can I try pineapple and carrot juice?

So, Frank has a juicer that he's never used.

But we can christen it.

All right, everybody cross their fingers.

(juicer whirring)

I'm sure there's a better way of doing this.

- (juicer whirring) - Oxenberg: Okay!

Here. You be the official taster.

Who else wants juice?

- Woman: It's very good. - Oxenberg: You like it?

- Yes, very nice. - Well, it's what we had,

and I winged it. That's kind of how I cook.

♪♪

Thank you so much.

Aw, Debbie, you're so sweet.

- Thank you for helping. - (Debbie speaking)

♪♪

Parlato: So, we're trying to put together a package.

True evidence of criminal activity.

She's going to see the Attorney General's

chief deputy and investigator.

We have a list of crimes,

and we want to know how best to present those crimes,

and how much information to give pertaining to each crime.

Parlato: Read off some of the crimes.

Oxenberg: So human trafficking, extortion,

uh, assault, hazing, scheme to defraud.

Immigration fraud, wire fraud, money laundering,

tax evasion, retaliation against witnesses,

slavery, kidnapping, medical malpractice.

Oxenberg: I can't prove all of these claims.

(Jim Roscetti speaking)

Oxenberg: Mm-hmm.

So, would you go with a leaner package,

or a bigger package?

(Roscetti speaking)

She can tell you, they're starving her daughter,

they're making her sleep deprived, they've branded her.

They're coercing her to have sexual activities,

and to coerce other women to have sex with Raniere.

-It's human trafficking, I think. -Oxenberg: Yeah.

- (Roscetti speaking) - Oxenberg: Yes.

(Roscetti speaking)

Oxenberg: Well, plus, they all gave collateral.

And they were told if they didn't fulfill their assignments,

they would release that.

Blackmail. Let's just call it what it is.

Oxenberg: Exactly.

And people have gone to law enforcement with that evidence

and they still have turned them away.

So how do we handle this list of crimes?

I want to make sure that I'm saying this right.

"Clare Bronfman 'loaned, '" in quotation marks,

uh, "at least $65 million to Keith Raniere and NXIVM companies.

NXIVM declares no income and therefore cannot repay said loan."

That's pretty clear?

They're cooking their books.

Oxenberg: Yeah, but they're saying it's consensual.

(Parlato speaking)

Edmondson: Most people probably don't know,

Catherine is India Oxenberg's mom.

And Catherine's literally been spending all her time and energy

compiling evidence and working with Frank.

Oxenberg (over computer): And I believe that Frank probably has

75 percent of the evidence.

What we don't have so far is witness testimonies.

If all of us write letters,

basically saying that there is criminal activity,

that we believe, we know, we participated in,

they may have to look at it.

Ames: What I think everyone would want to know is

what kind of impression we want them to have

when we write this.

Oxenberg: Yeah, it's really important

that you share a tiny bit about your experience,

that you were brought in under certain pretext.

Because ultimately, this is a criminal enterprise

-masquerading as a personal growth program. -Ames: Right.

Edmondson: The idea was to get 100 letters.

We would use the same system that got us in, in terms of enrollment,

to get out, which is to, like, think of a couple people each

that we could duplicate this with.

Ames: And I have an example, if you want me to read it.

"I had three separate women contact me fearing for their safety.

"What were they afraid of?

"The branding of Keith Raniere and Allison Mack's initials

in their pubic area."

"DOS is a monolithic and ruthless group,

"masquerading as a group designed to liberate women.

"It relies primarily on coercion instead of open dialogue,

"on intimidation instead of free choice.

At the beck and call of a man accountable to no one named Keith Raniere."

Edmondson: No one's ever done this.

No one has ever done what we're doing now

because they're too afraid to talk to other people.

-"Is this gonna get back to Keith?" -(murmurs of agreement)

That's why he's able to do what he's done for so many years,

and not just in ESP.

We need to expose him. The more people that expose him,

the more people come out of the woodwork and say the same thing.

Ames: All right. Let's start.

Edmondson: Having something from you would be helpful.

It's supposed to be anonymous, anyway.

Ames: It's your story, but if you want to help them

to understand the magnitude of it.

But it frames it in people's heads.

Vicente: The more people that can go on the record,

stating their experience, the better.

Whoever you want to reach out to.

Whoever you think has evidence.

I think everybody has a piece of the puzzle. I really do.

♪♪

Vicente: There are so many stories

of the destruction to people's lives.

And as they tell us the stories,

we need to compile all the information together.

And all the evidence to prepare this dossier,

to present them with a case.

We want the world to see.

(woman 1 speaking)

(man speaking)

(woman 2 speaking)

Vicente: I'm seeing how long these things were going on,

and how far back they went.

And one thing I found is clear evidence of financial crimes.

Vicente: Susan Dones was one of the nine that left...

back in 2009.

And then they just went after her.

She was sued on almost 200 charges.

And she defended herself.

And won.

She's an amazing woman.

And she totally understands how it all works.

Parlato: I was never his follower.

I never took a course or anything like that.

I was his publicist.

It is astounding how many people he's intimidated

and frightened.

He will spend five million dollars

against a person, to punish them for no good reason.

He enjoys hurting people.

This is a pattern.

Just think about Toni Natalie.

She was the original pioneer of the defectors.

She was the only one out there fighting,

long before anybody else came out to fight.

And she did it all these years by herself.

She's had 30 years of Raniere.

But, you know, it really wrecked her life.

Toni Natalie: My name is Toni Natalie.

And I was a former girlfriend of Keith Raniere.

Keith and I had a bit of a different relationship.

He wasn't "Vanguard." He was Keith.

He was a businessman when I met him.

(Keith Raniere speaking)

Eddie Albert (on tape): I met a person recently

who has come up with a doozy of an idea.

And I'd like you to meet this impressive young man.

- Keith, happy to see you again. - Yes, happy to see you, too.

It's an amazing idea.

Yes, well, sometimes it even amazes me.

But Consumers' Buyline is wonderful.

And it's working.

Natalie: Consumers' Buyline was a multi-level marketing company,

where people joined this membership, and as a group,

would save hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, on their purchases.

Raniere: We've been able to concentrate

all this purchasing power

to get a better deal from the sellers.

But you have to be represented by professional buyers

who shop around for the best value.

What we are about is getting things

that we could not get by ourselves.

We help each other have more.

It's merely a stepping stone

to change the way we live,

and maximize human potential.

Natalie: The way he presented himself was,

"Hi, I'm Keith Raniere. I have a 240 IQ,

and I want to change the world."

And it became one of the fastest-growing multi-level marketing companies

in the country at the time.

-(applause) -News anchor: The gross receipts

of CBI's first year of operation

were under $200,000.

In 1992, they took a meteoric rise to $35 million.

Natalie: And it was pretty enticing.

I mean, the program was really good.

So, I drove up there to see if it was legitimate.

You know? Let's put eyes on this.

And when I went in,

I don't know how to explain it. It was... energized.

(upbeat music playing)

Consumers' Buyline, may I help you?

Natalie: It was a room full of young people,

working all hours of the day and night,

all excited about what was going on.

And he came out...

And he came up to me in the office,

and he said, "Do you smoke?"

And I said yes. He said, "Would you like to quit?"

And all I can remember thinking was,

this genius that's running this huge company

is gonna stop and take time and spend time with me,

and help me to quit smoking.

We went into his office,

and he asked me what made me comfortable,

and what things made me nervous.

And he was using pressure points on my hands.

And he said, "Any time you feel like you're going to smoke,

"what I want you to do is just press that spot,

and you're not gonna have the urge to smoke anymore."

That's all I remember.

When I walked out, somebody said to me,

"What were you doing in there all that time?"

And I said, "What do you mean? I was in there, like, 15 minutes."

He said, "No, Toni. You were in there about two and a half hours."

I went back to Rochester,

and then, Keith started calling.

Hours and hours and hours of phone calls.

He would share things about his life.

I would share things about my life.

And this went on for months.

So, he knew all of my secrets.

He was listening. He was listening.

When I asked him why someone with a 240 IQ

was doing a multi-level marketing company,

"Why aren't you curing cancer

or doing something that really is gonna be very significant?"

And he said this was going to be the platform he used

to change the world,

and didn't I want to come along?

And I was hooked.

♪♪

He convinced me to take a train to Clifton Park.

On that first trip out there,

Keith and I started a, a relationship.

A, a physical relationship.

And they offered me a position within the company.

My son and I moved up there.

I became instantly accepted by this group of people.

Raniere: This is the principle on which Consumers' Buyline has grown:

friends recommending us to friends.

I would love for you to join our family.

Natalie: It was very exciting. It paid extremely well.

But Keith said, "No one can know about our relationship."

"Well, why's that?" "Because you don't have a formal education."

People will think you got the job because of me."

My education is all of two weeks of tenth grade.

And Keith knew that, 'cause I had shared it with him.

So, he took my shame,

and he figured out a way to use it to control me.

And then, I started to feel uncomfortable

with things that were going on with the company.

Commission checks weren't going out on time.

Man: If you go to work,

you want to get paid at the end of the week.

And that's the bottom line with people.

Woman: And people aren't getting paid?

Not that I've heard.

News anchor: On Saturday night,

more than 200 Consumers' Buyline members

packed into this theater,

all looking to meet the man behind the company,

President Keith Raniere.

But Raniere did not show up.

The company was accused of being an illegal pyramid scheme,

that uses unfair sales practices to sign up new members.

So far, the company is facing four state investigations,

and several state lawsuits.

Natalie: Consumers' Buyline was shut down

by 22 Attorney Generals and two federal agencies.

Keith refused to admit he did anything wrong.

He said it was the government that was after him,

and Walmart, 'cause he was competing with Walmart.

And at that point,

I kind of thought that Keith was deteriorating.

And maybe his mind just wasn't as clear as it was before.

Then came Nancy.

And that was the turning point.

At that time, Nancy Salzman was my therapist.

And she was the number two NLP expert in the world.

Salzman: A number of years ago,

I took an NLP course.

I felt that this was at least part of the answer

to all that had been missing.

I became a trainer,

and then proceeded to practice this newfound skill,

teaching and working with literally tens of thousands of people.

Natalie: Neuro-linguistic programming is a type of hypnotherapy.

Nancy Salzman was an NLP master.

Define "lie."

What does it mean, lie?

What is a lie? What does it mean?

Salzman: It was at this point in my life

that I met a gentleman named Keith Raniere.

He could not only voice the questions

that were burning in my mind,

but he had the answers.

Keith developed a model called "rational inquiry."

In just minutes, he could get to core issues.

And he said, "This is something that I could teach you.

"It's reproducible, it's verifiable.

I could teach it to anyone who really wanted to learn."

And I really wanted to learn.

A single man had developed a technology

to transform and empower the world.

Natalie: I have a video of the first class that Nancy did.

And Keith's sitting there.

He watched her take control of that room,

and it was almost like a light went off.

He could get her to control the people

that he wanted to control.

Natalie: They started talking about this business

that they were going to create.

The original intent was to go into big corporations,

and sell them their program.

It was originally Raniere Management Systems.

And the first corporate package that she pitched,

they came back with,

"We love you, Nancy. We think this is great.

But we don't want him to have any involvement."

So when he realized that his past wasn't going to work,

they kind of regrouped.

♪♪

And they created Executive Success Program.

And I went to what I believed to be the first intensive.

But, you know, your gut just tells you that something's not right.

I was having sessions with Nancy.

I talked to her about my relationship with Keith.

Too many women around,

and too many things that just didn't fit.

And she said to me, "You just don't know who he is, do you?"

And I started to really look at what I was participating in.

And then all of a sudden we were supposed to call him "Vanguard."

- Vanguard! - Just like the arcade!

Natalie: It was a video game that he had in our garage.

(video game firing, beeping)

That was it.

(firing, beeping)

- Raniere: Whoa! Sorry. - (woman laughing)

(indistinct chatter)

Natalie: I thought, all right, I'm going to break up with him

and that's going to be the end of the relationship.

(women laughing)

And that was just kind of the beginning of hell.

♪♪

(computer dings)

Uh, guys?

- Frank? - Parlato: Yes?

I just got a text from India.

Parlato: Yeah?

Oxenberg: "For someone so concerned with my well-being,

"I find it odd that you've never visited, that's all.

"If you could pinpoint the danger that you seem to think I'm in,

"that might help you.

"Your claims are really frightening people

"who think I'm also in danger,

"and that's really sad, since if you were here,

you, too, would see that there's nothing happening."

(frustrated sigh)

I feel him...

I feel him in every word.

The truth is, she feels really lost to me.

There's a part of me that just doesn't want to accept it.

Because it doesn't make sense to me

that the child that I've known for 26 years

is not present anymore.

I do feel responsible.

I was always on a spiritual quest,

around gurus and ashrams,

and very often I would bring her, even as an infant,

to those places.

So, I've exposed her to those environments.

And then I feel responsible for introducing her to ESP.

Vicente: There are certain things that we're good at.

And then there are certain things that we don't know how to do,

or certain limitations that we experience.

Do you guys have a sense of what those limitations are?

-Vicente: I used to have that! -Woman: Me too!

Wait, can I write that down?

Oxenberg: I took her to an intro.

And she loved it.

She said, "This is for me."

And she wanted to do it with me.

I figured this is an opportunity to spend five days

doing something introspective with my child.

And I definitely had experiences

that I felt were valuable.

I thought it was a good tool.

I kept doing classes

on and off for a two-year period.

And I overlooked the things that bothered me.

What I didn't know is that the whole system was designed

to break a person down

and lock in a new persona.

I'm looking forward to hearing what you think I can say to India

that will get through to her.

That will want her to turn against Keith.

Well, it's not turning against Keith.

It's turning towards herself.

Oxenberg: But how do you invite somebody to turn towards themselves?

Well, I think you have to explain to her,

in truthful language, what's about to happen.

This is gonna come falling down,

and there's probably only one way

-that she can escape humiliation. -Oxenberg: Mm-hmm.

She takes a positive step

towards rebelling and rejecting

the interference with her mind

that Keith has done to her,

and to others.

She has to do something heroic.

So, let's say we...

- Let's say I wrote that text. - Okay.

What is Keith gonna tell her?

Well, he may tell her...

He may tell her,

"Block your mother.

Block your texts."

Oxenberg: And then what would we do?

(laughs)

♪♪

(car door closes)

Oxenberg: She is in the clutches of something

over which I am powerless.

And when I realized that my message to law enforcement

would include me accusing my daughter

of participating in sex trafficking,

it hit me really, really hard.

I know she's a victim.

That's the tragedy of it.

And I need to tell the whole story

to get them to pay attention.

♪♪

Natalie: Now I'll show you the war room.

Come on, Ramona.

Come on. (clicking tongue)

When Keith and I finally split up,

the, uh, last thing he said to me was,

"I will see you dead or in jail."

And I thought that was a really horrible thing

to say to someone at the time.

But I had no idea...

what my future held.

Then I started creating a timeline of things that happened

after I left.

So that I could try to get my thoughts clear.

(phone ringing)

It started with phone calls.

(phone ringing)

All hours of the day and nigh.

(phone ringing)

They would contact my credit card companies,

they canceled my medical insurance,

shut off my phone.

They called my son's school and they canceled his school.

It was a nightmare.

And I, I couldn't figure out how it was happening.

My neighbor said to me one da,

"That girl with the long hair.

She comes and takes your mail every day, Toni."

That's how I found out what was going on.

I filed complaints.

When you kind of have a feeling like someone's watching you?

He just wanted to let me know

that he could get to me anytime he wanted to

as easily as he wanted to.

These are just all the files.

This is proof of the criminal case,

timelines,

motions that were filed.

I was forced to file bankruptcy.

They lodged three lawsuits against me.

While that was going on,

he had me investigated by the FBI.

Files and files and files.

And every time you pull it all out,

it changes.

You know, what looked like one thing before

looks completely different now because you,

you've learned more.

I, I don't know.

(sighs)

This is Pam's.

(distant cheering, applause)

You'll see she's weighing herself.

Every morsel of food.

One handful of cereal.

One bite of something.

How many miles she ran.

Pam's top 10 experiences.

Winning the 5th Avenue mile.

Meeting Keith.

She met him skiing.

You know, she was the one he first manipulated.

♪♪

Meeting Toni.

I came in '91.

The first time I went to Clifton Park,

I remember Pam was running around the office

saying, "She's here. Is she family?"

And he said, "Yeah, she is."

She had to commit her life to him.

And part of that was that she had to help

bring some women into the family.

And she embraced me

with more love and friendship

and devotion

than anyone had ever in my life.

After I left,

I still waited for her to call.

♪♪

- So... - (folders shut)

That's enough of that.

(clattering)

Okay.

(NXIVM member laughs)

Vicente: If you just look at the specific crimes,

you'll find that Keith Raniere's name is not on anything.

But, if you look at the entire system

and how the indoctrination works over a period of decades,

you understand coercion, and you understand that he is, in fact,

leading and guiding and controlling

every single action in the corporation.

He hasn't got his name on a company,

or didn't explicitly order somebody to do something,

but his hand is in everything.

(Susan Dones speaking)

(inaudible)

(Dones speaking)

Vicente: When Susan Dones left...

what we were told and what I believed

was that she had maybe stolen materials,

or misused the tech.

(crowd applauding)

Raniere is saying to make it right,

you know, you have to make people accountable.

If everybody steals in the world,

what kind of world are we gonna have? So...

they were trying to make it right.

That's the story that I heard.

When I finally speak to Susan Dones once I'm out,

she tells me how they went after her.

Why do you need 200 charges

if it's the principle that needs to be challenged?

This has nothing to do with principle.

It's to torture the person.

And I was part of the opposition against her.

The reign of terror.

♪♪

I was the enforcer...

trying to, like, capture everybody back into the system.

And what happens is,

people are afraid to ask questions.

You're afraid you'll be seen as dishonorable.

And I was afraid to ask questions.

I sided with the wrong side of history

against people that were just trying to get away.

I honestly don't know how to resolve that.

Susan Dones: Hey.

Hello.

(laughing)

Mm...

Both: Aah!

Dones: Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark.

Vicente: I never got your side of the story.

Dones: I just held out hope

that you would wake up one day.

And, um,

-I... -Took longer than you thought, maybe.

It just took what it took.

Mm.

I am so sorry how fucked up all this was.

'Cause we had a, a good thing, and we, like,

- got each other? - Right.

And then as I think you started

pushing against things,

they started saying stuff about you.

-Right. -And it eventually started affecting me.

And I just have, like, just fuckin' regret.

I think in time you're gonna find

that the stuff that you have done since you left

is part of your healing.

Being able to stand up and, and fight for myself

and expose certain things

- that were the truth... - Mm-hmm.

It was very healing for me.

You know, the guilt and the remorse,

and for me, the betrayal,

that all does eventually resolve.

- Mm-hmm. - But it's, it's a tough journey.

-Mm-hmm. -And there's, like, no way around it.

-Mm-mm. -You, you have to go through it.

♪♪

(gentle ringtone on phone)

Natalie: Hi. What's going on?

(Vicente speaking)

Mm-hmm.

Natalie: Yes. There's, um... there's quite a bit.

(Vicente speaking)

Natalie: I feel good this time.

I feel like this is it.

♪♪

(car door closes)

Natalie: Have you seen this?

Oxenberg: What was this? This was for you?

Natalie: Yeah, that was my death timeline.

Oxenberg: Oh, my God.

Natalie: This is one of the letters

that Keith sent me when I left.

This was what was gonna happen to me.

Oxenberg: He's showing her a diagram

of her demise,

basically, is what that looks like.

Natalie: Right.

Oxenberg: So, yeah, I say we,

we do add this, and just say,

"Keith's threats after I left him."

-Natalie: He's doing the same things. -Oh, yeah. I know.

-His patterns haven't changed in 30 years. - changed at all.

♪♪

Oxenberg: Do you think we should put the photo of the brand

- right up front? - Parlato: Yeah.

Oxenberg: And you know what I'd like to add

is that it's two inches by two inches.

The dimensions are significan.

Woman: Okay, here it is.

Oxenberg: Good. Very good.

Three binders full of evidence.

Done.

- (Parlato speaking) - You want to carry them out?

- Yeah, I would like to. - Thank you, Frank.

(indistinct chatter, laughter)

Okay.

Frank, thank you.

All right. I'll see you.

I will talk to you shortly.

We'll be in touch.

(rain pattering)

♪♪

Oxenberg: This building is insane.

It's impenetrable.

♪♪

I never assumed

that I would be responsible for so much of this.

I have started a ball rolling,

which I have no control over the momentum anymore.

And what I'm delivering to the government

incriminates India.

I'm handing her to them on a platter

as a criminal.

But I would almost rather she be in jail,

if that's what it will take to get her out.

("Change is Everything" by Son Lux playing)

♪ This moment changes everything ♪

♪ This moment changes everything ♪

(vocalizing)

♪ This moment changes everything ♪

♪ The course of blood within your veins ♪

♪ Oh ♪

♪ A stranger's form, your skeleton ♪

♪ Ooh ♪

♪ See the bones glow as they break free ♪

♪ This moment changes everything ♪

♪ This moment changes everything ♪

WOMAN: Everything was to help you grow.

But as soon as you recognized the person masterminding it,

and is manipulating women for his own pleasure,

everything changes.

DOS is an effect of years of indoctrination.

We were led to believe that Keith was a scientist

we would like to study.

We're experimenting.

The idea we were being sold was men and women

need to walk in each other's shoes

to truly respect and love each other.

CATHERINE OXENBERG: They're assigning an FBI taskforce.

They want to speak to DOS,

and they want to speak to witnesses immediately.