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Usion of "the real housewives of new york city" reunion.

- Follow your gut. - True that.

"eee! Look what I have!" it was, like, crazy.

- I love it. - Stfu!

[ laughs ]

better to say I'm sorry than be a denier.

- Okay. - Ooh.

I was, like, on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

Once tinsley left the show,

dorinda made me her punching bag.

Where are these people gonna be when it's you and me,

2-for-1 martinis at the burger heaven?

Don't you look at yourself and go,

"oh, my god. I can't believe I said that to lu"?

I don't think dorinda hits below the belt.

What?! I'm sorry. You need to think about that.

- You scammed us. - "your friendship means

everything to me." - she's explaining herself.

- Can I finish? - She doesn't wanna hear

your response. Okay. - Read the texts.

I love you! Why are you doing this?!

♪♪♪

welcome back to

"the real housewives of new york city" reunion.

I'm andy cohen.

Well, as any avid watcher of the new york housewives

can tell you, it's more than just entertainment.

It's an anthropological experience.

Watch this.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Well, sorry. Sorry.

Sorry goes a long way. I'm sorry. It does.

Sorry! I'm sorry. It's in the afternoon.

It's insulting. Sorry!

- No, I'm not-- - insulting.

- Sorry! - Oh, I wasn't invited.

I'm sorry. "sorry" goes a long way.

I'm gonna throw her out and bring luann in.

She wants to catch a dick. I mean...

If I don't catch a dick, I don't care.

And then you die, and you catch some dick on the way.

- I mean, the dick's caught. - [ laughs ]

never touch a small dick.

- Thank you, sonja. - [ laughs ]

I've never received a dick pic except the wrong number.

My dick would go like that. Ehh.

[ laughs ]

the only reason

you would leave a girls event is to catch a dick.

- [ laughs ] - all right, let's go!

Come on, girls.

Come on, ramona.

- Ramona, come on. - Oh, god.

Check with ramona. She needs to be wrangled.

Get your ass over here, girl. [ laughter ]

you wanna skedaddle? Let's go skedaddle.

Okay, let's go.

- Yay! - Okay, let's go.

All right, let's get started, right?

Let's sit. Let's all sit down. Okay, sit down, son.

Don't touch my...

It's a ----ing sh--ty yacht!

Ladies, the soup is getting cold.

Come on. Hurry up. The ceviche is waiting for us.

- It's gonna get warm. - Would you like a shrimp?

Would anybody like a shrimp? [ laughs ]

aw.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing about sonja's rambling.

- Here's the thing. - You know what it is?

Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Here's the thing about ramona. Oh, god.

- Are you serious? - Can you imagine?

Can you imagine? Can you imagine?

Can you imagine?

[ laughter ] can you imagine?

- Can you imagine? - Wait. I wanna smell it.

I'm only smelling it. What? I'm just interested.

[ sniffs ] oh, god.

- [ sniffs ] - rosé and coca-cola?

[ sniffs ]

- did you know you did? - [ sniffs ]

- who would have known? - Leah is a smeller?

- Jesus. I didn't know that. - Who knew you were a sniffer?

- Did you know that? - I didn't know that.

- [ laughs ] - why do you--did you know that?

[ sniffs ]

[ laughs ]

did you just smell your armpit?

- Yes! - Here's the thing.

I love it.

- That's funny. - That's awesome.

You were stunned by your smelling.

Stunned. I thought-- I had no idea

that's what it was gonna be. [ laughter ]

- that was really funny. - So weird.

- I'm shocked! - Has no one ever said...

Well, you know, I'm a very, like,

like, I have--the way I learn is by, like, touching things

and feeling them... - Sniffing 'em.

So smelling them, too, maybe? I don't know. Yeah.

Donnie from ann arbor said, "dorinda, you have almost

"a european way of speaking.

"are 'can you imagine?' and 'here's the thing'

"things you picked up living in England,

or is that more your mom's influence?"

I have no idea. I didn't really realize I say it so much.

Here's the thing. I didn't really know.

[ laughter ]

celia from nashville said, "lu, it seems like you're

always trying to keep the ladies on track..."

- yep. - "...And maintain decorum."

- yes. - "do you see yourself

as the peacekeeper mama of the group?"

- absolutely. - Yeah, you know,

I'm--I'm left with the task of doing some wrangling...

- Yep. - ...When I'm not being

the snatch guard. - Snatch guard.

- Cathy from toluca lake, california, said,

"ladies, do two words coming out of a person's mouth

mean any less than when ramona says "I'm sorry"?

[ laughter ]

don't wear it out.

Better to say I'm sorry than to be a denier.

- Okay. - Ooh.

Sal from pittsburgh said,

"sonja, what's with the fascination

with catching a dick this season?"

[ laughter ]

"is this a law of attraction thing?

Say it enough, and it'll appear"?

No, I believe when you're drinking,

sometimes you project. I'm gonna say,

the reason I was like, ahh, I wasn't getting any

since, like, October. - Mm.

Malia from l.A. Said, "ladies, once again this season,

the subject of dick pics has reared its--ahem--head."

[ laughs ]

sometimes it's easier to just ask for a dick pic.

- But why? I mean, it's-- - if it's a micro penis.

I'm not wasting my time. - Oh, my god.

"excluding leah for obvious reasons,

who in the group do you think receives the most dick pics?

- Ramona. - Ramona.

- Are you crazy? - She's not into dick pics.

- Oh, my god, never. [ laughter ]

- no, no. - Sonja.

No, I don't do dick pics. I got one--

you said you got one as a wrong number.

I was about to show you my dick pic.

The only one I ever got in my life,

and it was a wrong number.

He says to me, "no response?" [ laughs ] "I miss you, too."

- I miss it, too. Send it over. - Oh, my god.

Dorinda tried to backtrack the number to see who it was,

but I liked his décor. I liked his apartment.

- Gotta call my people. - You liked his "dick-or"?

- Décor. [ laughs ] - how was the dick?

- "dick-or"? - "dick-or."

well, we couldn't really size it up.

Oh, my god. Moving on.

Well, she's been called the "singer stinger"

and the "apologizer." - oh, jesus.

But this season, the women wondered,

could ramona be called a good friend? Take a look.

- Hi, ramona. - Hi.

Christina, lovely to see you.

Hi! Do you see I'm here? I come here all the time.

Oh, my god. My other girlfriend. Hi!

Ramona, you're not a "socia-light."

you're social ----ing heavy.

- [ laughs ] - come over say hello.

- Come over. - Are you here,

or are you sort of here? - Are you kidding?

- My friends are calling me. - I know, but you're here

with your friends here. - I am social,

and I have a problem.

They don't have as many girlfriends as I do.

Oh, my god.

Maybe a little obsessed with me and a little jealous?

- [ laughs ] - I love ramona.

And I love her friends, but I just think

she's treating us friends like sh--,

like we're chicken liver.

You're chopped liver.

With sonja, I have to bring myself down.

With my other friends, I have to elevate myself.

- That's what she said. - What does she expect me to do,

hang from the chandelier? - Aw.

- Come on. - Yeah, well,

I was on a diuretic. - I'll see you in the morning.

I'm gonna go to my girlfriend's party.

- Ramona, stop! - Are you kidding me?

Leah. Oh, god, leah.

- I'm gonna go to a party. - No, you're not.

Girls, I wanna go out.

The winner of the worst hostess award

goes to ramona singer. [ blows raspberry ]

[ laughter ]

that is very funny.

She called me crying because she fat shames her.

- Yeah. - When we were at the spa...

Oh, my god. You see the difference

between yourself now and then? - Really?

So how many girlfriends do you have coming to your birthday?

- 50. - 50?

You don't talk to 50 women. Come on.

50 women. I would not be where I am today.

[ mockingly ] they were there for me when I was going--

- I said--are you sober yet? - No, they're not there for you.

- That's true. - Well, that's why I'm having--

shut the [bleep] up about that!

[ laughter ]

nancy, lucia hwong gordon, and pamela morgan

were all at my baby shower, and ramona's like,

"these are my friends for a long time."

I'm like, "yeah, through me."

my girls got me this, 'cause you know, they--

oh, the pocketbook fund.

Get the [bleep] outta here. We're talking about--

we're having a serious discussion.

Talking about superficial sh--.

She literally asked each person to donate $100 to get a gift.

Well, at least she has a real gucci bag now,

'cause the other one she wears is fake.

All my gucci bags are real, by the way.

No, they're not. Definitely not.

All right. Phillip from kansas city wonders,

"sonja, dorinda, and luann, is ramona in the hamptons

"different from ramona in the city?

"seems like her sole reason for existing in the hamptons

is to see and be seen. Do you agree?"

- amen. - Yes.

- Yeah. - Okay.

Yeah, actually what happened-- the reason why I have

a lot of girlfriends is everything is very popular...

Well, I wasn't asking that about the girlfriends.

- God. - ...In the hamptons.

I have dinner parties for 10, 20.

I go to parties for 10, 20.

Yeah. That's why you're in the hamptons.

All those girls at my party-- I've seen half of them

a dozen times since I've been in the hamptons

in small groups of 10. - Okay.

Ryan from chattanooga said, "ramona, you've always been

"a double booker, but leaving a party

"at your own home in the hamptons was nuts.

Can you not see how desperately you suffer from fomo?"

well, no, what happened was, okay,

we were all invited to this party.

No, basically you needed to go out to get action.

They were all really enjoying themselves,

and they didn't want to leave. And you know what?

I knew they were just gonna,

like, just, like, you know, crash out,

and I wanted to go out for an hour.

- Put vibrators in the chicken? - Yeah, and not remember

how it got there? - You weren't thinking

about us at all. You just wanted to go to the party

'cause you're horny. That's it.

Sonja, it seems that ramona bringing up her 50 friends

was a real trigger for you. Why? - Absolutely.

I've been there for her through thick and thin.

You know what? 60 is-- - and you feel like

a lot of those friends are your friends?

Excuse me, 60's the new 40.

How many times have you seen pamela morgan?

Shut--stfu!

[ laughs ]

when we come back...

I go, "sonja, maybe you need to lose a little weight."

I was so embarrassed, I cried.

Maybe you should lose a few pounds.

♪♪♪

we've been there for her through thick and thin.

And you feel like a lot of those friends are your friends.

How many times have you seen pamela morgan?

Shut--stfu! Okay?

- [ laughs ] - I've seen pamela morgan

15 times since I got back.

She did my daughter's birthday--baby shower.

How many times have you seen her?

That was 20 years ago.

How many times have you seen her in two months?

- I've seen her 15 times. - I see her all the time.

Good for you. You work a little harder at it.

- She doesn't see anybody. You work a l- she--arder at it.

- She goes down under. - There you go, a hit.

- Well, so I'm a recluse. - I don't have a husband.

My girlfriends are everything.

Where are these people gonna be when it's you and me,

we're 2-for-1 martinis... - You don't wanna see me.

- ...At the burger heaven? - I work out with pamela.

- I get food. - 2-for-1 martinis at...

...At her house. She did a big cooking party.

That's you and me. Not them! They don't care about you.

They're using you to do the pocketbook fund.

We'll all chip in $100. You know what I said to the $100? This.

'cause I'm not buying you chanels...

- That's what I did, too. - ...To be your friend.

Gareth from dallas said, "ladies, by a show of hands,

"who doesn't think ramona sounds like an asshole

whenever she talks about having 50..."

- a what? - An asshole.

- "...60, or 70 friends." - who doesn't think?

Yeah, you sound like an ass. I said that.

- We all think she's-- - you know what?

I'm 64 years old. I've cultivated these girlfriends

since I'm 25. When you're 30 years later...

No, you've cultivated them the last 25 seconds.

You'll have a lot of-- more girlfriends, too, okay?

- These are my girls. - I don't think I will.

I love them. I hang out with them for birthday parties,

dinner parties, thanksgiving... - I keep my circle tight.

- ...Bar mitzvahs. - Got it.

- I see them all the time. - [ yawns loudly ]

- oh, wow, that's deep. - I'm so blessed.

- That's really deep. - Dorinda, what's wrong

with a 63-year-old woman throwing herself

a birthday party? - [ laughs ]

- ohh. - It just seems insincere.

- That many women-- - you threw your own party

for your own birthday. - I know, but it was

for people that were-- - but it was just us.

Such a contradiction.

There was, like, 10 people there.

These women--some of them, you just met.

- Who did I just meet? - Mary.

- Maria? - Maria.

Oh, my god. Are you kidding me?

You've known her for a year and a half.

I see--she's at my house every other day.

And I feel like an emptiness. I used to always wake up happy,

and I wake up in this apartment, and I start crying.

I just think it comes off as insincere.

Maria and I are very close. You're so wrong, dorinda.

- She's social climbing. - Danny from west hollywood

said, "leah, you threw some shade at ramona,

"saying that at least after her party,

"ramona has a real gucci bag.

"did you spot her with a fake before,

or where did you get your intel?"

- yeah, I did. - You did?

- This--I have all real gucci. - Not that one.

- No, not that one. - I have all gucci, sorry.

It had a giant-- these two giant g's

that I could tell were fake.

The day I understand everyone in our group...

- Yeah. - ...Will be the day

that I have a billion dollars. - Yeah.

- No, sweetie, they're all real. - [ singsongy ] chinatown!

Someone--someone that has a real bag...

- They're all real. Sorry. - ...Doesn't act that excited

when they get just a freaking bag.

You acted like you've never seen a bag before. It was weird.

Okay. Aah! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Look what the girls got me for my present.

It's the new black. You're not borrowing this.

You are not borrowing this.

You know what? It was a present. I love presents.

I got--I jumped up and down and asked the group

if they would join me. - No, you went,

"eee! Look what I have!" it was, like, crazy.

- It was just a freaking bag. - Well, I'm excited. I'm sorry.

I'm like a little kid. Sorry I'm happy.

Nick from new york said, "ramona, why would you ever

call one of your close friends heavy like you did to sonja?"

- yeah, why? - "I know you have a bit

"of the diarrhea of the mouth, but that was rude

and uncalled for." - because you know what?

Sonja and I have these voluptuous bodies,

and I can go up and down by 10 pounds.

You're looking up right now, but that's all right.

When my girlfriends say, "oh, ramona,

you're getting a little porky," I go, "oh, sh--, you're right.

Oh, my god. Yes," and I go, "sonja..."

'cause she was trying to struggle...

- Yeah. - I go, "sonja, maybe

you need to lose a little weight."

that's all I said. And guess what, andy?

That's when I started putting hand to mouth, eating more.

Oh, really? So it didn't work. I went from 147 to 152.

- Well, it's not my fault. - And you can attest to that...

If a good girlfriend can't tell you you need something,

who can? Sorry. - That's right.

- But she told me that-- - I don't think

she was fat-shaming you. - I was so embarrassed, I cried.

Well, now you lost 27 pounds, so there you go.

Not because of you shaming me. I had to go to the desert

and get connected with my spiritual side.

I didn't shame you. I said maybe you should lose a few pounds.

Maybe I should get a friend

that's a little more compassionate.

'cause I know you don't wanna buy new clothes.

July from queens said, "dorinda, you gave elyse a lot of grief

"for defending ramona,

but hasn't sonja been doing that for years?"

sonja flip-flops. She depends... [ laughs ]

no, she's always defending ramona...

- Yeah. - ...Even if she's wrong.

True that.

Elyse was coming to leah and I constantly and saying

how terrible ramona was being to her,

and she couldn't figure out why.

When we're not with you girls, we're great.

It's only around this group that she gets a little weird.

- Well, that's weird. - She just shuts it down.

You know what it is?

Ramonaville is filled with a lot of one-way streets.

Really? You're gonna pretend I'm not even standing here?

I don't know who you are.

You're gonna ----ing walk away like you don't know who I am?

You know what? No.

You are a duplicitous, nefarious...

- You know what? - ...Narcisstic...

- You're an evil girl. - ...Superficial bitch.

I still to this day don't know why you two fell out.

- I really don't. - Why did you fall out, ramona?

- She's a black widow. - [ laughs ]

and I knew this, and I should have never trusted her.

- Follow your gut. - I felt bad,

but she did betray ramona. - So you felt like

you brought her on the show,

and she was talking sh-- about you.

No, she said to me, "I will come on the show,

and these girls don't have your back, but I will."

and she didn't have my back. She betrayed me.

- Oh, there it is. - Okay. Now she--

she didn't want her to have any--yeah.

You wanted her to have blind loyalty to you.

- Yeah. - Well, who doesn't?

- And she didn't, so... - Right. Okay.

And she betrayed me, so why would I want her around me?

Is she the barbara k. Of this season?

- Yeah. - Are you and barbara k.

Not friends anymore? - No.

- Wow. That's too bad. - You gotta have loyalty.

- You have to respect people. - That was a long friendship.

Yeah. That was her doing, though.

You're not adele, luann, but you're not--

no, I'm not, and I don't pretend to be.

- But you're--but--but-- - and to actually say that

was not very nice for me to hear.

But I always feel like you're about to ruin a friendship

over something like that.

Yeah, and it was elyse's doing, same thing.

Valerie from chicago said, "ramona, you were accused

"by sonja, dorinda, and elyse for being friends

"when it's convenient and that you're in your own world,

"and everyone is just living in it.

What do you have to say about that?"

no, I'm with friends of people who are happy

and bring me happiness and are positive people.

But that's not what having friendship's about.

Sometimes you're not happy. Sometimes--I mean, my friends...

- When it's convenient. - I've had friends for 20 years.

Well, I'm just saying I like happy people, sorry.

And I--I know, but then that's just called superficial friends.

- That's called acquaintances. - Yeah.

But if I'm going through something traumatic,

I have to find a friend that's gonna shepherd me

and journey me through that-- well, happiness isn't--

- here I am. - Life isn't about

always being happy. - Aw.

When luann's down, I'm there.

So to wrap up this conversation, how are you ladies feeling

about ramona after all this?

Sonja?

We're family. I love her.

You seem like you are gonna do a reset.

I'll probably never ruin your backyard again.

- That you--I can promise you. - You promise?

- [ laughs ] - she cleaned it up.

But I'm not gonna promise that I'm not gonna get naked again.

Can you get naked, though? I wanna see you naked.

- Oh, that you're gonna do. - I want to see you naked.

- All right. - I want you naked.

Coming up...

I don't think dorinda hits below the belt.

What?! I'm sorry. You need to think about that.

Welcome back to

"the real housewives of new york city"

season 12 reunion.

We are freshly sanitized and ready for more.

This season, sonja by sonja morgan

made a promising deal with a major retailer,

but unfortunately, sonja's townhouse

continued with its promise to be an expensive nightmare.

- Take a look. - [ laughs ]

this would be a wedding final look, right?

We started the fashion line in 2014,

and now we're going back to fashion week.

Who is this?

He's a photographer. He goes at the end of the runway.

- It's nerve-racking. - Here we go.

♪♪♪

[ cheers and applause ] - yeah.

This is sonja by sonja morgan.

It's a really great moment for me.

Got a $1,200 bill for, like, 3 days of water

just running, running, running.

I am so stressed.

I'm paying rent at my apartment at columbus circle.

I'm paying the overhead of the townhouse.

- Elevator still broken? - Oh, my god.

It probably runs me about $50,000 a month,

so it's not a big deal for most people who live in townhouses,

but for me? Hell, yes.

I said to sonja, "I haven't spoken to you for days."

you know, there's a certain sadness that lives within her...

- She's, like, struggling. - ...Which I think is still

struggling with her past. You know what I mean?

And she has to work on it.

I feel like I've really developed

a great relationship with sonja,

but I still feel like there's just some things

she's not communicating.

I hide when I go through something.

I only call you when I'm feeling great

and I have great stuff to tell you. I hide.

We worry about you. That's for sure.

Yeah, show the bottom line.

Yeah. Right. Okay.

Did we get more sales from the fashion show?

No, no, we did not.

[ scoffs ] I know that fashion...

Ramona, "no, no, we did not."

there is a future, though.

So we wanna do something special.

Downtown, our flagship, over 200,000 square feet of store,

on top of that, we wanna also carry this

in the herald square store.

I'm trying to be so serious in this meeting,

but inside I'm dying.

- Sonja-rita! - Whoo!

- [ singsongy ] sonja morgan! - Right? Look!

Holy moly, you guys look amazing.

If anyone ever doubted me before,

I don't have to be right, and I never say,

"I told you so," but it still feels good.

- I love you guys! - [ cheering ]

congratulations, sonja.

I still have to pinch myself, as they say,

because it's been such a long haul,

and actually, an overhaul of so many things

in myself this whole time, so, yeah, I feel good

where I'm sitting.

I've been in the fashion business for years.

And the fact that sonja was in two major retail stores

of century 21, front and center--

are you kidding me? It's all about placement.

- Honey, that says it all. - I was so proud of her

when I walked in to finally see it living on the floor

and looking good.

I actually bought one of her dresses.

You girls have been there for me every step of the way.

I thought it was so cool having sat here with you

for so many years, and the toaster line

didn't come to fruition.

When does the toaster come out?

You saw the toaster, and it has my signature on it.

- When does it come out? - I have it. It's ready to go.

But it's part of a whole collection--

the tongs, the mitts, the aprons,

and I needed a hang tag for each thing.

You had the women all over you for various cheater brands

I think it's kind of a fluke that, you know,

tipsy girl and skinny girl.

- Oh, you think it's-- - they're both drinks.

- I think you're a fraud. - I have never felt that.

And I don't want anything to do with you.

Thought it would be a great way for me to get ahead.

Products that never launched.

- The nigerian football team. - The hang tags.

- The hang tags. - [ laughs ]

I get hundreds of emails all the time,

people saying they would like me to do jewelry,

they would like me to do wine out of a can.

But I have to meditate. I would like to do my abundance candle,

light that, to look at all

the opportunities that come my way.

And here you are. You're in a store.

And it must feel very satisfying.

It is satisfying, and I know my daughter's very proud of me,

and I always teach her, these are not mistakes.

These are experiences, and I've made many connections

in the business, so eyes are on me.

So how has the pandemic affected everything? I mean--

well, retail online is up 117%,

and everything that I had online is sold out.

- Well, that's a great thing. - It's tough.

It's tough--retail, very tough.

Well, I think that right now the cashmere suit

that you wanted me to wear to your party...

- Terrible! - You look like a...

- Terrible! - Terrible!

Ter--not for here.

- Go, sonja. - No, no, no.

Anything that looks like that right now

is gonna be selling the f out. - Yeah.

Because no one's wearing dresses right now.

I gotta ask about the townhouse. What's the price now?

It was 10.75. I'm putting it down to 8.5 or 8.6--

- how many square feet is it? - It's 4,800 square feet.

- Wow. - Two gardens and a balcony.

- Wow. - It's a great townhouse,

great location. - I have one request.

Before you sell it, can I please come see it?

- Yes! - And step inside

and see into the townhouse? - I would like to come see it.

- I've never. I haven't-- - we'll have a party!

It's like history. I wanna come see it.

Why doesn't bravo rent it, and we'll all just film there?

- Yeah, yeah. - Well, you know what?

- I--you know what? - Everyone can live there.

- That's the next season. Yeah. - [ laughs ]

sonja, any prospects for men?

Dating basically-- I wasn't getting laid.

I was so focused on my daughter. Now she's a sophomore

in an ivy league school, so guess what?

It's time for mama to get something.

- All right. - Just give me a little

what you're getting. - Okay, ladies.

I'm getting sh--. Give me what you wanna get.

- Now you're open for business. - And you look hot.

- Yeah. - Very hot.

I need another 5 pounds off.

- Oh, I don't know about that. - Okay, andy.

Coming up...

- You reached out. - No, you didn't.

- Read the texts. - Dorinda reached out to you!

I love you! Why are you doing this?!

♪♪♪

ck to "the real housewives" of new york city reunion.

I'm andy cohen. A wise woman once said, "I made it nice."

but this season, as dorinda's temper flared and anger arose,

it was clear that nice wasn't always on the table.

Take a look.

♪♪♪

[ exhales deeply ] you know, trying to get everything done.

I'm stressed out all the time.

Blue stone manor flooded, so I had to go through the house

and just rip out the whole heating system,

the whole electrical system, and I'm so overwhelmed.

There's nothing carefree about me anymore.

I'm not nice to anybody.

- I am scared every day. - Of what?

Hannah's very dependent on me still.

John's very dependent on me. I'm always running the show.

It's not that I can't lean on john.

That's hot.

But you remember, john has never had responsibilities like this.

Dorinda missed having richard or having a partner

to help her in the berkshires. - Hands-on guy.

What can I say? John doesn't take care of her.

I mean, she has to take care of john, for goodness' sakes.

You know this word?

You like people's misfortune. You like to deflect from you

to make people feel bad. - That's not--that's not true.

Do you think it's nice when you have a good girlfriend,

and when they don't like something,

they say right away, "are you drunk?"

- at this point... - That was funny.

...I kind of feel bad for ramona.

You drunken fool...

Was I aggressive? Yes. Do I regret it? Nope.

She's judging you on your drinking...

Judging me on my drinking? I didn't go to jail.

I don't mind probation. I don't break probation.

Dorinda, that's not very nice of you to--

so don't--don't you bring it up.

I'm bringing up what she said!

Every time you bring up something with her,

she deflects, and all of a sudden, it's your fault.

We wanna help you! Don't you understand?

You have a problem here. We wanna help you.

- You're not getting it! - You--you need--

[ crying ] it's really upsetting that you won't listen!

She's going through pain, and rather than feel it,

she's projecting it.

If you don't get that, you're an imbecile.

Tinsley introduced me to you guys.

- No. - Oh, god.

- We're not doing that sh--. - Sorry!

- [bleep] you. - Sonja.

- Thank you. - [bleep] her. Bullsh--!

You're gonna give a toast to tinsley mortimer?

You're spitting all over.

- [bleep] that sh--. - Before covid, now.

- By principle. - Wow.

She's, like, obsessed with tinsley.

Go [bleep] herself.

- I'm stunned. - And...

- I'm not. - [ laughs ]

stupid bitch.

All right. Jack from minneapolis said,

"dorinda, at the very beginning of the season,

you said to sonja, 'there's nothing carefree about me.

"I'm not nice to anybody anymore,'

"and then you proceeded to prove it.

"looking back, do you think you ended the season

in a better place than you started?"

I think that I was more overwhelmed this season

than I've ever been, and I don't think I reached out

for help enough between the house and john,

and then I had to go and break my rib, and lucy dying,

and then filming, and I couldn't catch a break.

And I just didn't wanna be there, and I was angry.

I was really angry about what was happening about it,

and I definitely projected it, and I did feel like

I couldn't cope with it. I really did.

I was at my wit's end. I think the thing that made me

really sad and probably the most upset

is that I didn't--you know, I know you so well, ramona,

and you're right. I was angry, and I was struggling...

[ voice breaking ] and I really felt like you made it worse.

And you never called me once outside the show.

You never took me to dinner. All you did was remind me

the whole time, and you--as much as you didn't like john

and stuff, it was mine to go through.

- Ramona, put that away. - And I needed you to do it.

I, once the show ended, I texted you every day.

- Here's texts. - And the show ended, ended.

I didn't want it when it ended.

I was fine when the show ended.

- I was there for you. - Listen.

- I went through it. - You weren't fine.

- Yes, I was. The show ended. - Okay.

I got through it. I moved into my place,

and she wanted to continue it. [ drawer closes ]

I needed her to pull me aside,

not constantly in front of people hammer me.

Do you think you were in a place to hear it from her?

Yes, quite-- sonja helped me with it.

Sonja would--I would cry to sonja at night,

and I think I cried to you quite a bit,

a person I just met. I had to show--

well, let me ask you this. When lu tried to talk to you,

you weren't open to it.

You can be angry at people without going crazy on them.

I will not sit here and listen to this.

- It's-- - because I think

it's ridiculous after everything that I've done with you,

for you. - Dorinda, you told--

and if you live in the past, you go nowhere.

- I don't live in the past. - I love who I am.

I love who you are, too, but I don't like it

when you're ----ing angry. - I'm great. I'm good.

Thank you so much.

Well, lu I feel bad about.

I felt lu was coming from a good place. I really did.

And I'm sorry about that, lu, 'cause I love you.

Ramona--I felt like she was just waiting,

and you--you felt that, too, didn't you?

- Yeah, absolutely. - No.

- You were just waiting. - Yeah, it just didn't seem like

it's coming from a genuine-- that doesn't...

- When she came--excuse me. - Back to the orchard...

- No, I'll go back-- - ...When you first broke up

with john, I realized how much pain you were in then.

Because you weren't even admitting. I was like, wow.

I think I remember saying this to you. I was like,

you guys were together for so long.

Now you're broken up. Like, you must be in--

- like, what's going on? - Oh, my god. It was terrible.

I know. I'm sure, but, like, we didn't get to see that,

you know? - But this is interesting to me

because you do hold tinsley to a standard

of she needs to do it all on the show.

I did do it all on the show.

And now you're saying that you didn't show it on the show.

I did it all on the show. I did it all on the show.

And then you wanted her to contact you--

I was doing my house on the show.

Hold on. But you say you wanted ramona to contact you

off the show.

I wanted ramona to call me and just say this--

"are you okay?" - or on the show.

"I love you. I'm here for you."

- ramona. - Once tinsley left the show,

then dorinda made me her punching bag.

- I'm sorry. You did. - No. Here we go.

And, um, basically, what happened was

she came to my home for cocktails and conversation,

and it was really upsetting.

She said some very hurtful things.

- You know I love you. - You're schadenfreude.

- She wants to people down... - Stop. Can you listen?

- ...All the time. - I love you.

Okay, let her--let her--

so basically dorinda doesn't know how to say,

"can we let it go? I'm sorry it happened."

so what dorinda did the next day,

which I loved and I appreciated, she goes, "you know what?

I made you a playlist, like the old day tapes."

this was the day after she sh--ted on me

and, like, made me feel terrible...

- I reached out. - ...And cry at my apartment.

But that's her way of saying, "you know what? Forgive me."

- we were both hurt. - And I'm like, all right, fine.

- Okay. - Then the next time was

at the Halloween party.

She was terrible to me, and she wrote, "ramona,

"I don't like fighting, and we need to get past this.

So we continue, possibly. Xo. Let's have fun next week."

I go, "I love you, dorinda.

There's nothing I would not do for you."

- you scammed us. - "your friendship

means everything to me." - she's explaining herself.

- "I love you, too." - ...The Halloween thing.

- Can I finish? - I asked you.

- Yeah. - You did your thing.

- She's responding to you. - No, no, I'm not gonna

listen to that, 'cause I wrote my texts out.

I want her to be present. It's one-sided.

- Five months! - So basically,

for the Halloween party-- - can I finish?

No, I'm done with it.

Okay, so she doesn't wanna hear you respond.

- Dorinda, stop! Stop it! - She used this

to get a free party. - Stop! Stop!

- She dragged us... - We were upset.

That's what she did the whole season. She used people.

I'm talking about how I contacted you every day!

- No, you did. No, you did. - Every day.

- You reached out. - Read the texts.

- Dorinda reached out to you. - Five months--I love you!

Why are you doing this?!

♪♪♪

- dorinda, stop. - Sonja said...

- Stop. Let me finish. - She used us the whole season.

I'm talking about how I contacted you every day.

...Use people. No, you didn't. No, you didn't.

- You reached out. - Read the texts.

- Okay. - Dorinda reached out to you.

- No, it's not true. - Five months--I love you!

- Why are you doing this? - Don't throw things

in front of me. - No, dorinda says she's angry.

It's so low-class, like everything.

- I know. I'm déclassé. - It's low--you are.

Because you know what? 'cause you say--

- can I--can I say something? - I mean, and--

- I care about you. - Yes.

- I care about you. - Okay, I would like to hear--

- lu. - You got it, but you don't.

- Yes, lu. - Lu.

- What do you have to say? - That trip to the berkshires

was, you know, obviously we drank too much.

You know, and you said some very hurtful things to me.

After you said very hurtful things to sonja.

- And I--and I--what? - Stop deflecting.

Listen, it doesn't give you an excuse...

- No. - ...To say what you said to me

because of sonja. - Uh, you're correct.

So that doesn't make sense. Okay, that's not even the worst.

The worst was also in mexico

where you brought it up yet again.

I...I know you don't mean it, but I want you to recognize

how hurtful that is. - She does.

And then, you know, to make matters worse,

then you go on andy's "watch what happens live,"

and you talk about it, and andy asks you point-blank,

"do you regret what you said to luann?" and you said no.

- Well, I think-- - so I was like, oh, my god.

Does she have no remorse for the way you behaved towards me?

- And that was wrong. - Don't you look at yourself

and go... - That was wrong.

..."oh, my god. I can't believe I said that to lu"?

And that, yes, and that was wrong,

and I want to definitely go back to where we were

when we first met 'cause we had such a great love affair.

I know, but if you're harboring these thoughts...

I'm not. I-I feel like I'm-- I mean--

...When you drink and it comes out,

it's like, holy sh--. - I--

- when you drink, it comes out. - Would you pick these up?

I would, but I'm not allowed to get that close.

- I'm not feeling the love. - But you can read them.

But I--

andy, you can look at them later. [ laughs ]

dorinda says you--you are compassionate to her...

- But you know, listen, I, um-- - ...And she doesn't feel

ramona is compassionate. - And I wanna work on that.

I really do, because I think you and I--

well, I mean, I-I want you to work on the fact that,

you know, you are holding these resentments towards me...

I really--I really am not getting to her.

...And I can't change that for you.

Dorinda, I mean, there must be some resentment or something.

- No, anger. - You have brought up the arrest

and the mugshot and the jovani thing--

well, I find it--I find-- well, the jovani thing

I'll always bring up, right? No, I'm kidding you.

- I hope not. - Um, the arrest--I find it

interesting that--that lu wants to lecture me

when, you know, it's between ramona and I,

and she steps in and lectures me when we're in such a good place,

and that makes me angry.

No, no, it wasn't about ramona at all.

It was about what you said to me and owning that...

And saying, "you know what, lu?" - I know, but I feel like--

"I should have never said those things,"

and I don't feel from you that you are...

- Well, I do. - ...That you really mean it.

How can you look at yourself on the show and say,

"holy sh--, I need to change"?

Well, I do, with you. With her, I don't. [ chuckles ]

- lu, I wanna work on that. - This group. The group.

I care for you, and I love you.

We don't understand what's going on.

- What's going on? - And I know you have

the best intentions to me. - I do.

- Why do you have so much anger? - I really, really do.

- I do. - Why are you thrashing out?

- This isn't a helpful-- - and I want you to take care.

- No, it's not. - But, ramona, this isn't

a way to ask her. - Uh, well, let me ask you this.

Look, you were on the mexico trip.

You--you were on the other side of hearing the women

say that they wanted to talk to dorinda.

You were no help. You've seen her go after luann.

- Why are you mad at me? - This is a serious issue.

- You're not getting it. - I know, and they were

trying to get-- - so what's your...

Well, also, like, dorinda's always been super cool to me.

- Right. - [ laughs ]

- and I haven't had any... - Right.

- ...Bad issues with her. - So looking at it

as a friend of dorinda... - Right.

So--who she's been very cool and inclusive and whatever...

Yeah, and had my back when, like--

...What's your reaction to this?

With dorinda, and I'm not trying to just make excuses

for her bad behavior or whatever, but--

oh, so you admit that it's bad behavior.

- You shouldn't. You should not. - Hold on.

We all admit that it's anger and not good and abusive.

Dorinda has apologized for that.

I would kinda just rather deal

with someone that has anger issues

than deal with someone that says horrific things

like ramona has. - [ laughs ]

because I don't think dorinda hits below the belt.

- What?! - I know you do.

She hits below the belt with me!

- What?! - She makes up lies and stories.

Are you kidding me, leah?

Are you on the same ----ing show as us?

- She's not here. - I'm not excusing

ramona's behavior at all. - Right.

But you can't say to look at me and say...

- No, I don't know. I'm not-- - ...What dorinda said to me

is not below the belt. I'm sorry.

You need to think about that.

No, you're talking about ramona, mainly.

'cause that's-- that was below the belt.

- I agree, that is. - Saying the thing

about the mugshot? - That was below the belt.

Oh, yeah, it's ----ed up, yeah, it's ----ed up.

I have a bunch of questions. Larry from richmond, virginia,

said, "ladies, "I'm not sure I heard

"a single sincere apology from dorinda this season,

"but I did hear a lot of defensive retorts

"meant to shut you down.

"I'd like to know if any of you have any theories

as to why dorinda is as defensive as she is."

I think 'cause I was in a lot of pain.

Do you think you were defensive when you watched that?

- Yes. - Yeah.

I felt very wounded, weak, vulnerable.

Kike I said at the winery, I felt like I was really

like a toothpick in an ocean with no help.

- You know, so it was-- - no, it's bigger than that.

Can I say something? And it's out of love.

All we wanted you to say was, like, "oh, my god--"

I couldn't, ramona. I was in such--

- you're not listening to me. - Right.

- I was in-- - well, that's all we needed.

- You couldn't. - I couldn't, ramona.

But I'm just trying to tell you that's what we needed.

I was in such a damaged place. I actually needed someone to--

I mean, literally, to tell you the truth,

I probably should have taken off this season.

- Right. Right. - It probably was too--

I think I told you that. I was, like, on the verge

of a nervous breakdown. - And you were crying a lot.

- I know you were crying. - All the time.

I wanna talk about the anger intervention...

- Between--oh, my god. - She was insecure at times.

...That happened at lunch in mexico.

- That was ridiculous. - Seeing how it all unfolded,

doesn't seem like you picked the right moment there.

No.

My daughter was on the phone, not doing an invite

that you can do in your room. It's my daughter.

- So when your daughter calls-- - you came and sat down with us.

- We were already working. - No, no, hold on.

Sometimes you just at-- you blow up and you get

really angry and you walk away.

- No, no. - Right now you're angry.

- Don't even start that, lu. - You're angry now.

I gotta go congratulate my daughter on her success.

But I can't do it in front of people that she thinks

that she thinks are her friend. I take it so hard.

No, listen. I can give you a good example.

- I'm not interested. - No.

It was just another opportunity for her to poke the bear.

Hannah's calling me about the bloom award she got,

and right away she was gonna use that again.

Even though I did think it was overboard for dorinda

to tell me and sonja to get off of our laptop

and whatever that morning, it's still...

Right, 'cause we were working.

It's much different than a daughter calling.

- Like, it's a different thing. - Yeah. Why would I just--

you stand up and you remove yourself.

- Then you leave the table. - So to make it--

that's all I'm saying. It just didn't add up.

- It doesn't equal. - Then you leave the table.

No, 'cause you turned it into a bigger thing

'cause you couldn't help yourself.

- You flew off the handle. - You know, it's kind of ironic

how this season ended, given how great pals you and dorinda were.

It was a comment you made at drag queen bingo

that really set dorinda off.

What was going through your mind when that happened?

- Oh, whoa. - I was kinda shocked.

Which luann wasn't.

I was bummed because I was about to give them props

and tell them that, you know, I love them

and appreciated them and had a great time with them.

But obviously, that word "tinsley" just set it off.

But we did talk--I mean, dorinda called me the next morning

and was very upset and apologized to me.

Why did the mere mention of tinsley's name--

well, I think that it wasn't authentic. I thought it was--

- what, me saying it? - No, I just thought

it was like, she wasn't there.

I thought we did such a great job as a group

after she left halfway through the season.

I was surprised we were going back to that.

But I wanted to give her-- I wanted to mention tinsley

because tinsley was an important person to me

in terms of you guys, too.

Yeah, and that's why I called you the next morning.

- Right. - Henry from athens, georgia,

said, "dorinda, I'm one of your biggest fans

"since your debut on the show. "I'm begging you to hear this.

"it's okay to admit that you're wrong sometimes.

"looking back at this season, can you give any examples

of times that you think you may have been wrong?"

definitely with luann, 100%. I feel very bad about that,

and I feel bad about the thing with, uh, you, leah,

'cause that was--that was wrong. It ruined the finale,

but we definitely talked through that.

You know, I-I feel bad that ramona and I

couldn't come to terms this season,

'cause we have a 20-year relationship,

and we really do care for each other,

but I didn't feel like she had my back at all.

The question is how do you reconcile it, do you think?

Well, I think that--I think the way for ramona and I

to go forward, if we wanna continue our friendship,

is to just not rehash it and try to start

building our friendship again, if it's important to you.

- I just think it is. - You are important to me.

- I love you, dorinda. - I think we're all in a reset.

I love you, and I'll always love you.

I don't care what you do to me. I'll still love you.

Like elyse? You love her more than elyse.

And I love you, and you know, we've known each other 20 years.

I don't care what you do to me, I'll lways love you.

So it's important for us to work on this.

You can try to kill me. I'll still love you.

She's doing that thing where she looks in your eyes,

and she, like...

I really would like to, you know, try.

- I want that desperately. - I'm not sure

we're gonna do it, but I think it would be--

- dorinda, look at me. - It's worth a try

after 20 years. - Look at me.

- Can you please look at me? - Yeah.

I want that, and we will do it.

- All right, let's fist bump. - No, really. I mean it.

- No, you can't touch. - I-I love you.

- Luann, let's look in each-- - you can't touch each other!

[ laughs ]

okay, well, that's a great place to leave it, all right.

- Thank you, ramona. - And you know,

by the grace of god, I got through,

and hopefully, you know, 2021 will be a better year...

- For all of us. - ...And a happy year.

- For all of us. - Yes.

Dorinda, life goes in a circle, and it only goes back up.

No, we don't want a circle. We just wanna go up.

- Yeah. - All right.

- Things are gonna go up. - Let's leave it there.

We are gonna take a break.

We'll be back with final thoughts after this.

E back to "the real housewives of new york city"

season 12 reunion.

Ladies, this season has been another one for the books,

and the months that have followed

have felt stranger than fiction, so before we end this chapter,

I wanted to ask each of you this.

We have all had a lot of time to reflect recently.

Looking back, which moment from this season

would you like to socially distance yourself from,

and which other housewife are you most looking forward

to hugging when this is all over?

How about you, ramona?

Leah, when I said something

about your issues-- mental issues...

Thank you.

...Should've been to you directly, and, dorinda,

I can't wait to give you a big, big hug.

- That's sweet. - That's nice.

Thank god we got here. Um, I think obviously, luann,

you know, because I really feel like I hurt her

in a vulnerable place, and I'm really gonna work on that.

I think as far as the hugging goes,

I think it's just really unfair because I really look forward

to hugging everyone. - Aw!

- I just hugging so much. - You're a hugger.

- I'm a big hugger, yeah. - Yeah.

- She's a lover. - It's like food to me,

so I wanna hug you all. - Lu?

Socially distance myself. Let's see.

Probably from, you know, that night in the berkshires.

It was just ugly and the way I behaved with sonja

and, you know, seeing myself like that and angry--

I'd like to distance myself from that.

Man, I agree with dorinda. I'd love to hug everybody.

But I love you all.

- [ laughs ] - sonja?

I think I've made it really clear this reunion

I wanna socially distance myself from not having control

of my prescription with my drinking.

And I really am very grateful to have the show

to show me how I was behaving 'cause I didn't know,

and I am grateful to ramona.

We do have a special relationship

where you can tell me something and you hold my hand

and tell me, you know, "you need to look into it,"

so thank you for that.

But as far as the hug, I gotta tell you, my girl dorinda,

for every time I called her and not wanting her

to know what was going wrong with me

and what I was trying to handle, she would share with me

what was going on with her,

and it just made me feel I wasn't alone.

I owe you so many big hugs. Thank you.

- Oh, thank you. - See that?

- Well, I did something right. - You're a giver.

- [ laughs ] - dorinda's a giver,

and that does bring anger. - You did a lot.

- No, that's--it's true. - Leah?

Um, I think I would probably socially distance myself

from the entire state of rhode island.

- [ laughs ] - yeah, and honestly,

surprisingly, the person that I wanna hug most is ramona

because my mommy issues

are still alive and well, apparently.

- [ laughs ] - well, I'm gonna be more

of a friend to you than a mother from now on, okay?

That'll probably work out a lot better.

I think it will. Actually, it will.

- Yeah. - Wow. All right.

I actually feel like we accomplished some stuff tonight.

- A lot. - A lot.

Thank you, doctor--doctor.

Thank you for an incredible season.

I look forward to getting close enough

to toast with you next year, and in the meantime,

stay safe, stay healthy,

and I can't wait to hug all of you, for the record.

- We love you. - Yay!

And thank you for a great season.

- Thank you. - We love you, andy.

Thanks, ladies. We did it.

........

Come a little closer.

Ramona, get in the picture, hon.

I'll send it all to you. Okay, here we go.

Okay, this is good. All right.

- That's actually cute. - [ laughs ] that's so cool.

Ramona, can we go to the speakeasy after this?

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