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>> Steve: FROM ROCKEFELLER

CENTER IN THE HEART OF

NEW YORK CITY, IT'S "THE

TONIGHT SHOW STARRING

JIMMY FALLON."

TONIGHT, JOIN JIMMY AND HIS

GUESTS -

JOY REID

DERRICK JOHNSON.

MUSICAL GUEST, ANITTA FEATURING

CARDI B AND MYKE TOWERS.

AND THE LEGENDARY ROOTS CREW

NOW, HERE'S YOUR HOST,

JIMMY FALLON

♪

>> Jimmy: GOOD EVENING AND

WELCOME TO "THE TONIGHT SHOW."

TODAY, THE KENTUCKY GRAND JURY

ANNOUNCED THEIR DECISION

REGARDING THE FATAL SHOOTING OF

BREONNA TAYLOR SIX MONTHS AGO.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A VERY

EMOTIONAL TIME, A VERY

DIFFICULT TIME, SO TONIGHT,

WE'D LIKE TO START THE SHOW BY

SPEAKING TO OUR FIRST GUEST

ABOUT TODAY'S NEWS AND WHAT IT

MEANS FOR OUR COUNTRY.

WE'RE SO GRATEFUL TO HAVE HER

JOIN US TONIGHT.

PLEASE WELCOME FROM MSNBC,

JOY REID

JOY, THANK YOU FOR COMING ON

AND TALKING TO ME TONIGHT.

THE DECISION IN THE

BREONNA TAYLOR MURDER CASE CAME

IN TODAY AND I WANTED TO GET

YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

CAN WE FIRST TALK A LITTLE BIT

ABOUT WHO BREONNA TAYLOR WAS

SHE WAS AN EMT

SHE WAS AN ASPIRING NURSE.

>> SHE WAS ONLY 26 YEARS OLD

YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW,

THE WOMAN IN THE BLACK LIVES

MATTER KIND OF PANOPLY OF

PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED BY

POLICE

AND SHE WAS THE LAST ONE,

REALLY, TO BE SPOKEN ABOUT,

WHICH FOR A LOT OF BLACK WOMEN

WAS REALLY GRATING THAT, YOU

KNOW, EVERYONE WAS FOLLOWING

THE GEORGE FLOYD CASE AND ALL

OF THESE OTHER CASES AND

AHMAUD ARBERY AND EVERYTHING

ELSE

BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE WAS THIS

26-YEAR-OLD EMT WHO WAS SERVING

HER COMMUNITY, WHO HAD THIS,

YOU KNOW, ALL THESE ASPIRATIONS

AND DREAMS AND WAS HER SISTER'S

BEST FRIEND AND HAD REALLY,

LIKE CHANGED HER LIFE AND FOUND

A CAREER THAT SHE LOVED.

FOUND A MAN THAT SHE LOVED, AND

THEN SHE WAS JUST CUT DOWN IN

HER APARTMENT.

SO BASICALLY, BREONNA WAS

ASLEEP, ACCORDING TO HER

BOYFRIEND, KENNETH WALKER, AND

THEN THEY JUST HEARD A NOISE

THEY HEARD SOMEBODY BREAK IN,

OR AT LEAST HE DID

THE FACTS AS PUT TOGETHER ARE

PARTLY -- THEY PARTLY COME FROM

HIS CALL TO HER MOM SAYING

SOMEBODY BROKE IN AND SHOT

BREONNA, WHICH INDICATES THAT

HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS

POLICE

AND BECAUSE KENTUCKY IS AN OPEN

CARRY STATE AND HE IS

A LICENSED, YOU KNOW, FIREARMS

CARRIER, HE TOOK OUT HIS GUN TO

DEFEND HIS GIRLFRIEND AND

HIMSELF FROM WHAT HE THOUGHT

WERE INTRUDERS

HE FIRED A SHOT AND THE THREE

POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAD COME

TO -- THEY'RE CALLING IT --

THEY'RE SAYING IT WAS NOT

A NO-KNOCK WARRANT BECAUSE

THEY'RE CLAIMING THAT THEY

KNOCKED AND THEY SAID THAT IT

WAS POLICE BUT YOU HAVE TO

REMEMBER, JIMMY, THIS WAS ABOUT

12:30 A.M.

SO THIS IS WHEN MOST PEOPLE ARE

ASLEEP

>> Jimmy: WOW.

>> AND SO THESE OFFICERS BURST

IN AND THEN THEY START

SHOOTING

THEY SAY THAT THEY SHOT IN

SELF-DEFENSE BECAUSE

KENNETH WALKER SHOT AT THEM,

BUT AGAIN, HE SHOT AT AN

INTRUDER

THE POLICE FIRE BACK, ONE OF

THE OFFICERS, THE ONE WHO WAS

CHARGED TODAY, JUST STARTS

SHOOTING

HE DOESN'T EVEN COME INTO THE

APARTMENT, AND THOSE BULLETS

SPRAY EVERYWHERE

THEY SPRAY INTO OTHER

APARTMENTS

SOME BULLETS ARE LODGED INTO

OTHER APARTMENTS

AND AFTER BREONNA IS HIT FIVE

OR SIX TIMES, THAT'S BEEN

A MATTER OF DISPUTE, MR. WALKER

IS NOT HIT AT ALL.

HE CALLS THE MOM AND SAYS,

SOMEONE'S SHOT BREONNA

BREONNA TAYLOR DIES.

AND THEN WE JUST HAVE THESE

SERIES OF ACTIONS THAT ARE

EXTREMELY QUESTIONABLE

ACTION NUMBER ONE IS NO ACTION

NO ONE TRIES TO HELP BREONNA

SHE'S LAYING ON THE FLOOR.

SHE IS NOT THE TARGET OF ANY

INVESTIGATION.

SHE'S COMMITTED NO CRIME

SHE'S BLEEDING ON THE FLOOR.

NO ONE RENDERS AID

POLICE, THEY START, YOU KNOW,

GETTING THEIR OWN STORIES

TOGETHER

ACTION NUMBER TWO, LATER ON,

NOT LONG AFTER THAT, THE

BOYFRIEND IS ACTUALLY CHARGED

WITH A CRIME

THEY TRY TO CHARGE

KENNETH WALKER WITH ATTEMPTING

TO ASSAULT THE POLICE OFFICERS

FOR SHOOTING BACK, FOR SHOOTING

TOWARD THEM AND INJURING ONE OF

THEM IN THE LEG.

THEY EVENTUALLY DROP THOSE

CHARGES BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC

OUTRAGE THAT SAYS, YOU'VE GOT

TO BE KIDDING.

AND ACTION NUMBER THREE, THE

PERSON THAT THEY SAY THEY WERE

INVESTIGATING.

HIS NAME IS JAMARCUS GLOVER,

HE'S THE EX-BOYFRIEND OF

BREONNA TAYLOR

HE WAS IN CUSTODY ALREADY ON

THE NIGHT OF THIS RAID

HE HAD ALREADY BEEN ARRESTED

SO THEY WEREN'T GOING THERE TO

LOOK FOR THEM.

THEY SAY THEY WERE

INVESTIGATING DRUG DEALS HE WAS

INVOLVED IN AND THEY TRY TO GET

HIM, SOMEBODY WHO IS ALREADY

INCARCERATED, AND THEY SAY,

WE'LL LET YOU OUT.

WE'LL GIVE YOU A BREAK BUT YOU

NEED TO SAY THAT BREONNA TAYLOR

WAS INVOLVED IN YOUR DRUG RING

YOU SAY THAT, WE'LL LET YOU

OUT.

AND DON'T EVER SAY THERE'S NO

HONOR AMONG THIEVES.

THERE'S A LOT MORE HONOR, I

THINK, THAT WAS IN THAT JAIL

CELL THAN THERE WAS AMONG THE

POLICE BECAUSE HE SAID I'M NOT

DOING THAT

I'M NOT IMPLICATING BREONNA IN

A CRIME.

SHE WAS NOT INVOLVED IN

ANYTHING THAT I WAS INVOLVED

WITH

SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

THEY WEREN'T EVEN DATING

ANYMORE.

>> Jimmy: WOW.

>> SO I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE IS

A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT

ALLOWED THESE OFFICERS TO GO IN

TO TRY TO SEARCH THIS APARTMENT

WHICH THEY'RE CLAIMING THAT THE

EX-BOYFRIEND USED TO USE AS

A PREVIOUS ADDRESS

HE HAD LISTED IT AS HIS ADDRESS

AND SO THAT GIVES THEM THE

RIGHT TO BUST IN AND START

SHOOTING AND TODAY, WHAT THE

ATTORNEY GENERAL,

DANIEL CAMERON SAID IS,

"EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED

REGARDING THE SHOOTING WAS

PERFECTLY LEGAL.

COMING IN AT 12:30 IN THE

MORNING, SHOOTING

BREONNA TAYLOR SIX TIMES WHILE

SHE'S IN HER BED, SHOOTING AT

HER BOYFRIEND AND THEN SHOOTING

BACK AT HIM BECAUSE HE'S IN HIS

CASTLE TRYING TO DEFEND IT AND

ALL OF THAT IS FINE, NOT

RENDERING AID IS ALL FINE.

THE ONLY THING THAT WAS ILLEGAL

WAS OFFICER HANKISON DIDN'T AIM

AND BECAUSE HE DIDN'T AIM AND

SHOOT BREONNA TAYLOR WITH GOOD

AIM AND HE SHOT AROUND AND PUT

BULLETS INTO THREE OTHER

PEOPLE'S APARTMENTS, HE IS

GUILTY OF ENDANGERING THE LIVES

OF THE PEOPLE OF THE OTHER

APARTMENTS

SO TODAY WHAT WE SAW WAS

NOTHING REGARDING

BREONNA TAYLOR

NO CRIMES WERE COMMITTED,

ACCORDING TO THE ATTORNEY

GENERAL.

THE ONLY CRIMES THAT WERE

COMMITTED WERE MINOR CRIMES OF

ENDANGERING THE NEIGHBORS.

>> Jimmy: AND NORMALLY, DON'T

THE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE

CAMERAS ON THEM OR SOME AUDIO

OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED

>> YES, NORMALLY, POLICE

OFFICERS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE

BODY CAMERAS ON.

NONE OF THEM HAD THEIR BODY

CAMERAS ON

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FIRED FOR

THAT

THERE'S BEEN NOTHING

LITERALLY, THESE OFFICERS ARE

FREE AND CLEAR, AS IF

EVERYTHING THEY DID WAS FINE

THEY CAME IN WITHOUT BODY

CAMERAS.

THIS WARRANT IS A SUSPECT

THING, WHICH NOW THE ATTORNEY

GENERAL HAS SAID, WE'RE GOING

TO PASS ALL OF THAT ON TO THE

FEDS

LET THE FEDS DEAL WITH HOW THE

WARRANT CAME THROUGH

LET THE FEDS DEAL WITH THE FACT

THAT YOU'RE RAIDING AN

APARTMENT AT 12:30 A.M

LET THE FEDS DEAL WITH THE

SHOOTING OF BREONNA TAYLOR

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY IS THAT

THESE OFFICERS IN THE MINDS OF

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THIS

GRAND JURY WHO, AGAIN, WERE LED

BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

I'VE BEEN ON A GRAND JURY.

THEY, YOU KNOW, THE PROSECUTOR

LEADS YOU WHERE THEY WANT YOU

TO GO.

WHAT THIS PROSECUTOR HAS

ESSENTIALLY SAID IS THERE'S

NOTHING WRONG WITH THESE POLICE

OFFICERS HAVING KILLED THIS

WOMAN AND HAVING DONE IT

WITHOUT THEIR BODY CAMERAS ON.

>> Jimmy: AND ACCORDING TO HIM,

DOES THAT END HERE

>> IT ENDS HERE FROM THE POINT

OF VIEW OF BREONNA TAYLOR'S

DEATH.

THERE WILL BE NO PROSECUTION OF

THESE POLICE OFFICERS FOR THAT

IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANY

FURTHER ACTIONS TAKEN AGAINST

THESE THREE OFFICERS, IT WOULD

HAVE TO BE AT THE FEDERAL

LEVEL.

IT WOULD MEAN SOMETHING ON THE

ORDER OF A CIVIL RIGHTS

VIOLATION.

BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM

THE HEAD OF THE JUSTICE

DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW IS

WILLIAM BARR AND HE'S ALREADY

SAID QUITE CLEARLY THAT HE

BELIEVES BLACK LIVES MATTER IS

SOME SORT OF AN INSURGENCY OR

SOME SORT OF TERRORIST OUTFIT.

AND HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT

BLACK PEOPLE HAVE ANY REASON TO

BE ANGRY WITH THE WAY THAT OUR

FAMILIES AND OUR SONS AND OUR

MOMS AND OUR SISTERS, OUR

POLICE, THAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE

NO STANDING WITH HIM

SO THERE'S ZERO CHANCE THAT

WILLIAM BARR'S JUSTICE

DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO DO

ANYTHING

SO I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT

HAS NOW HAPPENED FOR THIS

FAMILY IS THERE'S BEEN A

A SETTLEMENT

YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF

LOUISVILLE IS GOING TO PAY THEM

A BUNCH OF MONEY, BUT THAT

HAPPENS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A

A SETTLEMENT

THIS IS PART OF THE COST OF

POLICING

IT'S BUILT INTO THE BUDGET

THEY'D RATHER SETTLE THAN GIVE

JUSTICE TO THE FAMILIES.

>> Jimmy: YOU'VE BEEN COVERING

THIS CLOSELY

ARE YOU SURPRISED BY THIS

DECISION

>> NOPE.

I'M NOT.

I'VE BEEN COVERING, YOU KNOW,

BLACK LIVES MATTER SINCE THE

TRAYVON MARTIN CASE.

>> Jimmy: OOF.

>> AND THE ONLY TIME THAT I'VE

EVER BEEN SURPRISED WAS IN THE

FREDDIE GRAY CASE IN BALTIMORE

WHEN THEY WERE CHARGED

THE SURPRISE IS WHEN THERE ARE

CHARGES, AND THAT'S ONLY

BECAUSE MARILYN MOSBY, WHO'S

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN

MARYLAND, SHE'S JUST A

A DIFFERENT KIND OF ATTORNEY

SHE BELIEVES THAT THE FAMILIES

HAVE EQUAL STANDING TO THE

POLICE, AND SHE'S PAID HEAVILY

FOR THAT

YOU KNOW, THE WAR AGAINST HER,

THE POLITICAL WAR TO UNSEAT HER

AND TAKE HER DOWN BECAUSE SHE

DARED TO PROSECUTE POLICE, YOU

KNOW, SHOWS YOU, AND I THINK,

IS A LESSON TO EVERY OTHER --

A MESSAGE TO EVERY OTHER

PROSECUTOR

THE POLICE ARE VERY MUCH

PROTECTED.

THEIR UNIONS ARE THE LAST UNION

STANDING

THEY'RE THE MOST POWERFUL UNION

IN AMERICA

THEY'RE UNTOUCHABLE ALMOST IN

THESE CITIES

THEY EAT UP 20%, 30%, 40% OF

THE BUDGETS AND BUILT INTO THAT

IS THE IDEA THAT TAXPAYERS WILL

JUST PAY OUT ANY FAMILIES OF

THE PEOPLE KILLED.

AND THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE

JUSTICE BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS

DESIGNED FOR THEIR GOOD FRIENDS

IN THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE TO

DECIDE IF THEIR GOOD FRIENDS IN

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE DONE

ANYTHING WRONG

YOU'LL NEVER GET PROSECUTIONS

THAT WAY

>> Jimmy: HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM

THE FAMILY OF BREONNA TAYLOR

>> SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN

TOUCH WITH BEN CRUMP WHO

REPRESENTS THE FAMILY, BUT HE'S

ACTUALLY FLYING, YOU KNOW, BACK

AND FORTH TODAY.

HE'S HEADING TO LOUISVILLE

SO I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET

FROM HIM WHAT THE REACTIONS

ARE, BUT I CAN ANTICIPATE DEEP

DISAPPOINTMENT

ATTORNEY GENERAL CAMERON SAYS

THAT HE CALLED THE FAMILY

TODAY.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THAT CALL

COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE BECAUSE I

THINK EVERYONE WHO'S WATCHED

HIS CAREER

HE'S A -- YOU KNOW, HE'S AN

ASSOCIATE OF MITCH McCONNELL

HE WAS HIS GUY

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WHO'S

BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO HIM OR

TO THE WAY THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE

SYSTEM WORKS THINKS THAT THIS

WOULD HAVE BEEN A -- THERE

WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT

OUTCOME TODAY.

SO HE SORT OF MADE A PRETENSE

OF COMPASSION SAYING HE WAKES

UP EVERY MORNING THINKING ABOUT

BREONNA TAYLOR

IT WASN'T VERY -- IT DIDN'T

COME ACROSS VERY SINCERE, I'LL

JUST PUT IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE

HE REALLY MADE A BIGGER

STATEMENT ABOUT THE VALUE OF

POLICE

HIS MAIN MESSAGE WAS VERY

SIMILAR TO THE MESSAGE HE GAVE

WHEN HE SPOKE AT THE REPUBLICAN

NATIONAL CONVENTION.

THE POLICE ARE VALUABLE.

THE POLICE ARE DOING A GREAT

JOB.

THE POLICE ARE IMPORTANT

AND THAT WAS HIS MAIN MESSAGE

TODAY, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT

THAT WAS COMFORTING TO THE

FAMILY

>> Jimmy: AND ANY THOUGHTS ON

WHAT THE REACTION IS GOING TO

BE IN LOUISVILLE

>> IT'S ALREADY STARTED.

JIMMY, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IN

THE STREETS.

AND LOOK, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY

IS, BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN

THE STREETS BECAUSE OF POLICE

BRUTALITY FOR DECADES AND

DECADES AND DECADES.

YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY BACK,

YOU KNOW, TO IN THE '80s, RIOTS

IN MIAMI OVER POLICE BEATING A

A MAN WITH, YOU KNOW, A GIANT

FLASHLIGHT UNTIL HE DIED

WATTS.

YOU CAN GO TO HARLEM, YOU CAN

GO TO NEWARK, NEW JERSEY

YOU CAN GO TO DETROIT.

YOU CAN GO ALL THROUGHOUT

HISTORY.

'60s, '70s, '80s, JUST KEEP

GOING AND THERE HAVE BEEN

PEOPLE IN THE STREETS DEMANDING

JUSTICE AND NOTHING HAS

CHANGED.

I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING

SIGNIFICANT THAT HAS CHANGED IN

A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IN MY

LIFETIME

YOU KNOW

AND I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGE

UNLESS THERE IS FUNDAMENTAL

CHANGE IN, NUMBER ONE, WE AS A

A SOCIETY HAVE TO DECIDE

WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK IT'S

ACCEPTABLE FOR POLICE TO BE

ABLE TO ENTER OUR HOMES AT ANY

TIME OF NIGHT THEY WANT WITH

ANY AMOUNT OF FORCE THEY WANT

AND KILL ANYONE THEY WANT.

IF THAT'S THE SOCIETY WE WANT,

WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE MORE

OF THIS.

IF WE AT SOME POINT DECIDE, NO,

POLICING HAS TO HAVE SOME

LIMITS

THEY JUST CAN'T KILL ANYONE

THEY WANT AND THEN TELL ANY

STORY THEY WANT AND NOT TRY TO

SAVE THE PERSON'S LIFE AFTER

THEY SHOOT THEM.

WE JUST HAVE TO DECIDE THAT

THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE, BECAUSE

UNTIL WE DO, THIS IS JUST GOING

TO KEEP HAPPENING.

>> Jimmy: CAN YOU STICK AROUND

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOME

DEBATE STUFF COMING UP NEXT

TUESDAY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Jimmy: THANK YOU.

MORE WITH JOY REID AFTER THE

BREAK.

♪

>> Jimmy: WE'RE BACK WITH

JOY REID

OBVIOUSLY, WHEN SOMETHING LIKE

THIS COMES ACROSS YOUR DESK,

YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB AND I

APPRECIATE THAT, BUT DOES THAT

THROW YOU WHEN YOU GO, "I HAVE

TO TALK ABOUT THIS?"

>> YEAH, I MEAN, LOOK, IT'S

DIFFICULT.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT WILL

EVER BE MORE DIFFICULT THAN

WHEN I HAD TO DO IT FOR THE

FIRST TIME WITH THE

TRAYVON MARTIN CASE BECAUSE MY

KIDS ARE HIS AGE, THE AGE HE

WOULD BE

AND SO THERE'S DOING THE JOB

AND THEN THE HAVING TO EXPLAIN

TO YOUR OWN CHILDREN WHEN

THEY'RE ASKING YOU, "ARE WE NOT

IMPORTANT?

I CAN REMEMBER MY YOUNGEST SON,

OUR YOUNGEST SON ASKING, AT THE

TIME THAT TRAYVON MARTIN DIED,

AND HE WAS, WHILE HE WAS 13 OR

14, I THINK HE WAS 13, AND

SAYING, "WHY CAN PEOPLE JUST

KILL US?

AND I DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR

THAT

YOU KNOW, AND THIS WASN'T EVEN

A COP.

AND WHEN YOUR CHILD IS ASKING

YOU, "HOW CAN PEOPLE JUST KILL

US", WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO

SAY?

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY, "PEOPLE

CAN'T JUST KILL YOU.

BECAUSE THEY CAN

RIGHT?

I MEAN, BETWEEN GUN LAWS THAT

ARE DESIGNED TO MAKE IT MORE

POSSIBLE TO USE YOUR WEAPON.

WHAT'S THE POINT OF BEING ABLE

TO HAVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT

AND OWN WEAPONS IF YOU CAN'T

USE THEM TO GET AWAY WITH IT

SO, THE GUN LAWS ARE WRITTEN TO

GIVE INCREDIBLE PERMISSION AND

INCREDIBLE LATITUDE TO GUN

OWNERS TO GO AHEAD AND USE IT.

AND THEN, IF YOU TRIPLE AND

QUADRUPLE THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU

GET WITH POLICE.

THEY HAVE SO MUCH LATITUDE TO

USE FORCE AGAINST US ANY TIME

THEY WANT AND CAN MAKE ANY

STORY AND EXCUSE THEY WANT AND

THEY ALMOST ALWAYS GET AWAY

WITH IT NO MATTER WHAT THE

FACTS ARE.

SO, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO THE

JOB AND THEN HAVE TO LOOK AT

YOUR OWN KIDS, YOU KNOW, WHO

ARE NOW YOUNG MILLENNIALS IN

THEIR 20s AND STILL NOT BE ABLE

TO SAY, "NO, POLICE CAN'T JUST

KILL YOU", BECAUSE ACTUALLY,

KIND OF THEY CAN

SO IT'S TOUGH.

>> Jimmy: I MEAN, WHAT IS IT

GOING TO TAKE FOR SOMEONE TO

GO, "HEY, LET'S TRAIN POLICE

BETTER."

IT SHOULD BE COMMON SENSE.

>> PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, I

HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT ARE

POLICE

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST

POLICE

I HAVE FRIENDS WHO ARE POLICE.

MY GOD BROTHER'S RETIRED NYPD

DETECTIVE SERGEANT AND WE HAVE

TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE POLICE

ARE NOT TRAINED TO SHOOT YOU IN

THE LEG.

LIKE, PEOPLE WILL SAY, "WHY

DON'T YOU JUST SHOOT THEM IN

THE LEG?

THAT'S NOT HOW THEY'RE TRAINED

THEY'RE TRAINED TO STOP THE

THREAT

AND STOP THE THREAT, WHEN THEY

TAKE THEIR LITTLE TEST, RIGHT,

THE TEST THAT THEY TAKE IN

ORDER TO GET CERTIFIED AND GET

THEIR BADGE, IT'S CAN YOU MAKE

THE SHOT IN THE CHEST IN THE

CENTER MASS, AND CAN YOU MAKE

A SHOT AT THE HEAD

THEY'RE NOT TRAINED TO SHOOT

YOU IN THE ARM BECAUSE YOU

COULD THEN STILL COME AT THEM

WITH THE OTHER ARM

THEY'RE NOT TRAINED TO DO THAT

THERE'S NO EXTRA TRAINING THAT

CAN MAKE POLICE STOP SHOOTING

PEOPLE IN THE HEAD OR SHOOTING

PEOPLE IN THE CHEST.

BECAUSE THAT IS THE

FUNDAMENTALS OF THEIR TRAINING

IN ORDER TO PROTECT THEMSELVES,

RIGHT, IF THERE'S A REAL

THREAT, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO

STOP IT AND STOPPING IT DOESN'T

MEAN SHOOTING THE THREAT IN THE

KNEE

AND, SO, THAT TRAINING QUESTION

ALWAYS COMES UP BUT IT ISN'T

REALLY GOING TO CHANGE

ANYTHING

WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THAT THE

INCENTIVE STRUCTURE FOR POLICE

HAS TO CHANGE, AND EVEN POLICE

OFFICERS WILL TELL YOU THIS.

THE INCENTIVE STRUCTURE RIGHT

NOW IS THAT IF YOU SHOOT

SOMEONE, THE INCENTIVE IS TO

GET YOUR STORY TOGETHER, RIGHT,

YOUR UNION IS GOING TO BACK YOU

AND SAY, "I PERCEIVED THIS

PERSON AS A THREAT

I THOUGHT THEY HAD A GUN,

FEARED FOR MY LIFE."

SAY THE MAGIC WORDS.

THOUGHT THEY HAD A GUN, FEARED

FOR MY LIFE, YOU'RE GOOD

AND THAT'S ALMOST ALWAYS GOING

TO WORK BECAUSE PROSECUTORS ARE

ON YOUR SIDE

THEY'RE YOUR PARTNERS, YOU'RE

PARTNERS TOGETHER TRYING TO

SOLVE CRIMES WITH THE

PROSECUTORS.

SO, THIS IS ALMOST ALWAYS GOING

TO WORK AND THE UNIONS KNOW

THAT

SO, THE INCENTIVE STRUCTURE,

HOW WOULD IT CHANGE?

NUMBER ONE, DON'T LET LOCAL

PROSECUTORS WHO PARTNER WITH

POLICE MAKE THE DECISION

LET AN OUTSIDE ENTITY LOOK AT

THESE SHOOTINGS AND SAY, "LET

US DECIDE WHETHER THIS WAS

FAIR."

THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.

NUMBER TWO, PEOPLE GET MAD

ABOUT DEFUND THE POLICE.

BUT IT ISN'T ABOUT DEFUNDING

THEM

OF COURSE, THERE HAVE TO BE

POLICE BUDGETS AND POLICE

DESERVE GOOD PENSIONS AND

DESERVE GOOD SALARIES.

WE DON'T WANT THEM PAID

A PITTANCE, RIGHT?

BUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM

TO GO AND SOLVE DOMESTIC CASES

WHERE YOU COULD SEND A SOCIAL

WORKER

WHY ARE WE PAYING THEM TO SOLVE

JAY WALKING?

WHY ARE WE PAYING THEM TO DO

STUFF THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO

DOESN'T HAVE A GUN COULD DO?

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED SOMEONE

WITH A GUN IF THERE'S TWO KIDS

WHO ARE PLAYING WITH THEIR TOY

GUNS AND MENACING EACH OTHER OR

SPRAYING WATER AT EACH OTHER OR

SPRAYING WATER ON THE NEIGHBOR

IF IT'S A BLACK KID, THAT KID

IS LIKELY TO GET SHOT IF THE

POLICE COME.

I'M TERRIFIED TO CALL POLICE ON

PEOPLE BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE

PREPARED TO SEE THAT PERSON

DIE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN CASES

WHERE I THINK, "BOY, I SHOULD

CALL THE POLICE RIGHT NOW", BUT

I'M TOO SCARED TO BECAUSE I

DON'T WANT THIS PERSON, WHOEVER

IT IS, IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO

SEEMS TO BE OFF WHEN THEY'RE

WALKING AROUND, TALKING TO

THEMSELVES IN THE STREET

I WOULD NEVER CALL THE POLICE

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE

THAT PERSON GET KILLED AND I

DON'T WANT TO LIVE WITH THAT

SO, WE CAN'T HAVE A SYSTEM

WHERE PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHO --

I'VE GOT A GOOD JOB AND A GREAT

FAMILY, GREAT HOME, IN THEORY,

I SHOULDN'T BE SCARED OF THE

POLICE

I AM TERRIFIED OF THEM

AND IF I'M SCARED OF THEM,

IMAGINE HOW THE AVERAGE

17-YEAR-OLD BLACK KID FEELS.

SO, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE

STRUCTURE.

WE HAVE TO START PAYING OTHER

PEOPLE TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE

PROBLEMS AND THE WARRANT

STRUCTURE, WHY IS ANY WARRANT

BEING SERVED AT 12:30 IN THE

MORNING AT A HOME WHERE THE

SUSPECT DOESN'T EVEN LIVE?

CAN'T YOU CHECK AND SEE THAT

YOU ALREADY ARRESTED HIM

THERE SHOULD BE MORE STRUCTURE,

NOT MORE TRAINING.

>> Jimmy: YEAH, BECAUSE SOMEONE

COULD ALSO SAY, "IF YOU'RE A

A POLICE OFFICER, IT'S MORE

DANGEROUS TO GO IN AT

12:30 THAN IT IS, JUST SAVING

THEIR LIVES AS WELL.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND, I MEAN, LOOK, POLICE, IT'S

A TOUGH JOB.

IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB

POLICE ARE BEING CALLED UPON TO

ESSENTIALLY BE AMERICA'S

BABYSITTERS, RIGHT

>> Jimmy: YEAH

I AGREE.

>> SO WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO

STUFF THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO

WITH SOLVING CRIMES.

POLICE ARE REALLY GOOD AT

SOLVING CRIMES AND FINDING

CRIMINALS, BUT WE'RE SAYING DO

THAT, PLUS, BABYSIT THE WHOLE

SOCIETY IF SOMEBODY'S MAD AT

THEIR NEIGHBOR, YOU GO DEAL

WITH THAT.

IF SOMEBODY'S A LITTLE TOO

DRUNK, GO AND DEAL WITH THAT

IF THEY'RE IN THE WENDY'S

PARKING LOT, GO GET THEM

WHY IS THAT A POLICEMAN'S JOB?

AND, SO, WE'RE ASKING THEM,

WE'RE ASKING SOMEBODY WITH A

A GUN WHO'S TRAINED TO SHOOT

PEOPLE IN THE CHEST AND THE

HEAD TO GO SOLVE SOMEBODY'S

DRUNK ON THE CORNER.

THAT'S INSANE, AND ALSO, IT'S

NOT SAFE FOR THEM.

THEY'RE DEALING WITH SITUATIONS

WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOT GUNS

SO THEY'RE NERVOUS, RIGHT?

POLICE COME IN NERVOUS AND THEN

YOU ADD IN THE SORT OF

UNFORTUNATE RACIAL BIASES WHERE

SOMEBODY WHO IS WHITE IS MORE

NERVOUS BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS

BLACK.

THAT'S A WHOLE SOCIAL PROBLEM

THAT WE CAN'T SOLVE WITH

TRAINING, SO IF YOU'RE NERVOUS

ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE AND THEN

A BLACK PERSON FIDGETS, THAT

BLACK PERSON IS GOING TO GET

SHOT

SO, I DON'T THINK TRAINING

FIXES THIS

I THINK CHANGING THE WHOLE

INCENTIVE STRUCTURE AROUND

POLICING AND MAKING IT MORE OF

A PROFESSIONAL SORT OF

OVERHAUL

WE NEED, LIKE, AN OVERHAUL OF

THE PROFESSION MORE THAN WE

NEED TRAINING.

>> Jimmy: I APPRECIATE YOU

TAKING THE TIME TO TALK TO US,

BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE VERY

BUSY

YOU'RE CO-ANCHORING MSNBC'S

SPECIAL DECISION 2

2020 COVERAGE ON THE FIRST

PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE ON TUESDAY,

SEPTEMBER 29th COMING UP

I WANT TO ALSO MENTION YOU HAVE

A NEW PODCAST, ALL ABOUT

SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS CALLED

"KAMALA NEXT IN LINE" PODCAST.

WE NEED CONTENT.

WE NEED SOMETHING INSPIRING TO

LISTEN TO LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> NO, IT'S FUN.

AND, I MEAN, KAMALA HARRIS IS

SUCH A FASCINATING FIGURE.

I'M EXCITED TO HAVE BEEN

INCLUDED IN THAT PODCAST

SO YEAH, IT SHOULD BE GREAT.

>> Jimmy: THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR

BEING HERE

I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS

>> THANK YOU, JIMMY.

APPRECIATE IT.

ALWAYS GOOD TO BE HERE

>> Jimmy: MY THANKS TO

JOY REID

JOY REID IS THE HOST OF "THE

READOUT" WHICH AIRS WEEKNIGHTS

AT 7:00 P.M. EASTERN ON MSNBC.

MORE OF "THE TONIGHT SHOW" WHEN

WE COME BACK

♪

>> Jimmy: WELCOME BACK TO "THE

TONIGHT SHOW."

WELL, EVERYBODY, MAKING JOKES

DURING TIMES LIKE THESE IS

DIFFICULT, BUT IT'S MY JOB TO

TRY AND MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH AND

FEEL BETTER, EVEN IF JUST FOR

A LITTLE WHILE

SO, WITH THAT IN MIND, LET'S

TELL SOME JOKES.

LAST NIGHT, PRESIDENT TRUMP

MADE ANOTHER STOP ON HIS GREAT

AMERICAN COVID TOUR.

THIS TIME IN PENNSYLVANIA AT

THE PITTSBURGH INTERNATIONAL

AIRPORT.

THERE WAS QUITE A TURNOUT AT

THE AIRPORT RALLY.

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PHOTO.

IF THERE'S ANY PARENTS

WATCHING, IF YOU RAN OUT OF

"WHERE'S WALDO" BOOKS FOR YOUR

KIDS DURING QUARANTINE, JUST

HAND THEM THIS PHOTO AND TELL

THEM TO FIND A TRUMP SUPPORTER

WEARING A MASK

[ LAUGHTER ]

YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE TRUMP

CREDIT, FOR ONE THING THIS HAD

TO BE THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY

PEOPLE WERE EXCITED TO SPEND A

A TUESDAY NIGHT AT THE

PITTSBURGH AIRPORT

TRUMP WAS ON STAGE FOR

90 MINUTES AND I THINK THERE

WAS SOME THINGS HE COULD HAVE

SKIPPED LIKE HERE WHEN HE

QUESTIONED WHY JOE BIDEN ALWAYS

WEARS A MASK

LISTEN TO THIS

MASK, AND THAT'S OKAY.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

WHATEVER MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD

HE FEELS GOOD.

HE FEELS GOOD.

I MEAN, HONESTLY, WHAT THE HELL

DID HE SPEND ALL THE MONEY ON

THE PLASTIC SURGERY IF HE'S

GOING TO COVER IT UP WITH

A MASK

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> Jimmy: YEP, ACCORDING TO

THOSE CLOSEST TO HIM, TRUMP'S

NEVER HAD ANY WORK DONE, NOR

DONE ANY WORK.

[ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]

THAT'S RIGHT, TRUMP MADE FUN OF

BIDEN'S PLASTIC SURGERY.

MEANWHILE, HIS HANDLING OF THE

VIRUS IS ABOUT TO APPEAR ON AN

EPISODE OF "BOTCHED.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BY THE WAY, DID YOU SEE WHICH

NETWORK WAS AIRING THE RALLY

CSPAN3

YOU KNOW YOUR CAMPAIGN IS GOING

WELL WHEN EVEN CSPAN2 SAYS,

"NAH, WE'RE GOOD."

MEANWHILE, IN AN INTERVIEW THAT

AIRED LAST NIGHT ON WGN, TRUMP

WAS ASKED WHAT SINGLE QUALITY

HE BRINGS TO THE WHITE HOUSE

AND HERE WAS HIS RESPONSE.

MOST IMPORTANT THAT YOU BRING

TO THE WHITE HOUSE

>> WELL, I THINK I BRING AN

AURA THAT PEOPLE KNOW I KNOW

WHAT I'M DOING

I KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING

I KNOW WHERE WE SHOULD BE

GOING, I NEGOTIATE PROPERLY.

I UNDERSTAND THE MILITARY.

I UNDERSTAND THINGS AS A

A BUSINESSMAN THAT OTHER PEOPLE

DON'T.

JUST AS A PERSON, I UNDERSTAND

THINGS

>> Jimmy: YEP.

ONCE AGAIN, THE QUESTION WAS,

WHAT SINGLE QUALITY?

[ LAUGHTER ]

ALSO, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE

GLOWING ORANGE DOESN'T MEAN YOU

HAVE AN AURA

"I HAVE AN AURA-GE, ORANGE."

THAT'S RIGHT, TRUMP SAYS HE

KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING, WHAT IS

HAPPENING AND WHERE HE SHOULD

BE GOING

SO, GOOD NEWS ONCE AGAIN, HE

PASSED CONCUSSION PROTOCOL

SERIOUSLY, THOSE ARE THINGS YOU

SAY AFTER YOUR TRAINER GIVES

YOU SMELLING SALTS

WELL GUYS, WE'RE JUST SIX DAYS

AWAY FROM THE FIRST

PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AND THE

TOPICS TRUMP AND BIDEN WILL BE

DISCUSSING HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED

CHECK IT OUT

CHRIS WALLACE, HAS SELECTED THE

SIX TOPICS THAT WILL BE

DISCUSSED.

THE TOPICS INCLUDE THE

PRESIDENT'S AND BIDEN'S

RECORDS, THE SUPREME COURT,

CORONAVIRUS, ECONOMIC POLICY,

RACISM, AND THE INTEGRITY OF

THE ELECTION

>> Jimmy: THAT WASN'T A GOOD

SIGN WHEN TRUMP'S RESPONSE WAS,

"PASS, PASS, PASS, PASS, PASS,

AND PASS."

YEAH, WHEN TRUMP HEARD, HE WAS

LIKE, "I'VE GOT FIVE MORE

TOPICS THAT I'D LOVE TO TALK

ABOUT.

MAN, WOMAN, PERSON, CAMERA, AND

TV."

[ LAUGHTER ]

RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST THOSE

TOPICS AND THEN THE OTHER

50 INSANE THINGS THAT WILL

HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND TUESDAY

SOME MORE DEBATE NEWS, ALTHOUGH

THIS ONE IS ABOUT THE VICE

PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.

IT TURNS OUT PETE BUTTIGIEG HAS

BEEN STANDING IN AS MIKE PENCE

FOR KAMALA HARRIS'S DEBATE

PRACTICE

AND TO REALLY GET INTO THE ROLE

OF MIKE PENCE, BUTTIGIEG ALSO

WEARS THREE PAIRS OF HANES LONG

UNDERWEAR SAFETY PINNED

TOGETHER

[ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]

SPEAKING OF MIKE PENCE,

YESTERDAY'S PLANE AIR FORCE TWO

IS FORCED TO RETURN TO

NEW HAMPSHIRE AFTER IT STRUCK

A BIRD

ACTUALLY, WHEN PENCE REMEMBERED

HIS DEBATE AGAINST KAMALA IS

ONLY TWO WEEKS AWAY, HE STARTED

THROWING MORE BIRDS INTO THE

ENGINE

HE'S LIKE, "STOP, STOP

HELP, STOP, PLEASE."

IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT BIRDS ARE

ATTRACTED TO MIKE PENCE.

HE'S BASICALLY THE HUMAN

VERSION OF WHITE BREAD

[ LAUGHTER ]

CHANGING GEARS HERE, THIS WEEK

THE CDC ISSUED ITS FIRST

GUIDELINES FOR CELEBRATING

HALLOWEEN.

LISTEN TO THIS

RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HALLOWEEN

AND THE BIGGEST ONE IS TO AVOID

TRADITIONAL TRICK OR TREATING

THIS YEAR.

THE CDC ALSO POINTED OUT THAT

COSTUME MASKS DO NOT HAVE THE

SAME PROTECTIVE POWER AS NORMAL

MASKS.

>> Jimmy: REMEMBER THE GOOD OLD

DAYS WHEN ALL YOU HAD TO WORRY

ABOUT WAS A GIANT SHIV IN YOUR

SNICKERS BAR

[ LAUGHTER ]

THE CDC IS DISCOURAGING TRICK

OR TREATING, BUT TO BE FAIR,

MAYBE CHILDREN SHOULDN'T HAVE

BEEN GOING AROUND COLLECTING

CANDY FROM STRANGERS ANYWAY.

THAT'S RIGHT, NO TRICK OR

TREATING

IT'S TOO BAD

I'M REALLY GOING TO MISS THE

DISAPPOINTED LOOK ON MY KIDS'

FACE WHEN THEY GET AN ALMOND

JOY.

I WAS FIGHTING THAT JOKE

I LIKE ALMOND JOY.

NO TRICK OR TREATING

KIDS WILL MISS GETTING CANDY,

WHILE PARENTS WILL MISS GIVING

THAT QUICK JUDGY GLIMPSE INTO

THEIR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE

"CARPET IN THE KITCHEN

VERY '70s.

YEP, THE CDC IS ALSO

DISCOURAGING COSTUME PARTIES

MAINLY SO NO ONE HAS TO LOOK AT

THE IDIOT WHO DRESSES UP AS THE

CORONAVIRUS.

"REALLY FUNNY, CARL.

YEAH, HALLOWEEN WILL BE

DIFFERENT.

IF YOU SEE A HOUSE COVERED IN

COBWEBS, THOSE AREN'T

DECORATIONS.

THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T

GONE OUTSIDE SINCE MARCH

[ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]

AND FINALLY, SOME SPORTS NEWS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING

ABOUT BILL BELICHICK'S

SWEATSHIRT FROM HIS PRESS

CONFERENCE THIS MORNING.

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

GOSH, HE LOOKS LIKE THE HULK

AFTER TURNING BACK INTO

BRUCE BANNER

[ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]

EVEN CRAZIER, THAT'S HIS

WEDDING TUXEDO

I THINK THAT SHIRT WAS ALSO

ESTABLISHED IN 1960.

I DON'T GET IT

WAS HE PUTTING IT ON CIGARETTES

IN HIS SHOULDER?

HE LOOKS LIKE THE CENTER FOLD

IN "DIVORCED DAD MONTHLY."

[ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]

REMEMBER THAT PHOTO, BECAUSE

IT'S WHAT CHRIS WALLACE IS

GOING TO LOOK LIKE AFTER

TUESDAY'S DEBATE

[ LAUGHTER ]

ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY

COMING UP, WE'LL BE TALKING TO

DERRICK JOHNSON OF THE NAACP

PLUS, WE'VE GOT MUSIC FROM

ANITTA FEATURING CARDI B. AND

MYKE TOWERS.

STICK AROUND

♪

>> Jimmy: WE WANT TO KEEP THIS

CONVERSATION GOING, SO I

INVITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE

NAACP TO TALK WITH US TONIGHT.

HERE IS PRESIDENT

DERRICK JOHNSON.

DERRICK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

BEING HERE

I WAS JUST SPEAKING WITH

JOY REID ABOUT THE EVENTS OF

TODAY.

WHEN THE DECISION IN THE

BREONNA TAYLOR CASE WAS

ANNOUNCED, WALK ME THROUGH YOUR

FIRST REACTION

>> WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS

NOT EXPECTING A POSITIVE

DECISION

THAT'S A BAD COMMENTARY FOR

MANY OF US

I DON'T KNOW OF ANY

AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHO THOUGHT

IT WOULD BE A GOOD DECISION,

BUT WHEN WE HEARD THE OUTCOME,

IT WAS EVEN MORE UNFORTUNATE

BECAUSE IT DID NOT ADDRESS THE

FACT THAT BREONNA TAYLOR WAS

KILLED

THE ONLY ONE CHARGED OF THE

THREE OFFICERS AND IT WAS FOR

SHOOTING INTO ANOTHER DWELLING

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF

EXPECTATION OUT OF OUR JUDICIAL

SYSTEM

>> Jimmy: WHAT WERE YOU HOPING

TO SEE HAPPEN TODAY?

>> YOU KNOW, THAT FINALLY

JUSTICE WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF

US

HERE'S A WOMAN WHO WAS IN HER

APARTMENT.

THERE WAS NO ALLEGATIONS OF

WRONGDOING

SHE WAS SLEEPING IN HER BED AND

HER DOOR'S KICKED IN AND POLICE

ULTIMATELY KILLED HER.

JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.

CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THAT WAS

YOUR DAUGHTER, YOUR WIFE, YOUR

LOVED ONE?

TAKE OUT THE QUESTION OF RACE.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL AT THIS

MOMENT

THAT IS THE REALITY THAT FAR

TOO MANY AFRICAN-AMERICANS FACE

IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY.

>> Jimmy: GOSH

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY REACHED

THIS DECISION?

>> YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE

THIS GRAND JURY SYSTEM, THIS

ARCHAIC SYSTEM

IT IS -- WE HAVE NO CONCEPT OF

WHAT EVIDENCE ARE PRESENTED TO

THE GRAND JURY BECAUSE IT'S

A SECRET PROCESS

WE DON'T KNOW HOW VIGOROUS IT

IS, A SPECIAL ATTORNEY TO

PURSUE THE CASE.

FAR TOO OFTEN, DISTRICT

ATTORNEYS AND STATE ATTORNEYS

ARE TOO COZY WITH LAW

ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, AND THE

VALUE OF THE LIFE OF THE PERSON

TAKEN IS AT STAKE.

SO, UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T

KNOW WHAT WAS SAID OR NOT SAID,

WHAT EVIDENCE WAS WITHHELD

WE DO KNOW THAT AN INNOCENT

PERSON SLEEPING IN HER BED, NOT

CAUSING ANY HARM, WAS MURDERED

AT THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT

OFFICERS

>> Jimmy: A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE

ANGRY TODAY AND LOOKING FOR

SOMEONE TO POINT THE FINGER AT

WHO WOULD YOU SAY IS -- WHO

WOULD YOU BE POINTING AT RIGHT

NOW?

>> I THINK WE SHOULD BE

POINTING FORWARD

HOW DO WE CHANGE THIS REALITY?

THIS IS SOMETHING, AS

AMERICANS, WE SHOULD NOT

TOLERATE

THIS IS ALL BAKED INTO PUBLIC

POLICY DECISIONS

QUALIFIED IMMUNITY, THE LACK OF

A DATABASE OF NATIONAL POLICE

MISCONDUCT

MANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU NOR

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR

CHILDREN CONFRONTED WITH THE

FUTURE, WE MUST BEGIN TO LOOK

AT THIS MOMENT

WE ARE AT A FLEXION POINT IN

THIS COUNTRY

WE HAVE TO DECIDE, ARE WE GOING

TO MOVE INTO A FUTURE THAT'S

MORE JUST AND EQUITABLE OR ARE

WE GOING TO STAY IN THIS

PERPETUAL MOMENT OF 1930

I SUGGEST THAT, AS WE LOOK

FORWARD, WE NEED TO DO SO WITH

A VALUE PROPOSITION THAT'S MUCH

DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE

SEEN DISPLAYED IN TODAY'S

DECISION

>> Jimmy: THERE'S TWO

INITIATIVES THAT THE NAACP ARE

WORKING ON

ONE IS #WEAREDONEDYING

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS

ABOUT?

>> YOU KNOW, WE ADOPTED THAT --

THAT CAMPAIGN AFTER THE

REALIZATION OF COVID IMPACTED

DISPROPORTIONATELY

AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

IT IS A HASHTAG CAMPAIGN WHERE

WE UNDERSTAND THAT ELECTIONS

HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

WE ARE LOOKING AT 2020'S

UNFORTUNATE SERIES OF EVENTS,

WHICH IS A RESULT OF THE

2016 ELECTION.

THERE IS NO REASON THIS

NATION -- WE ARE LEADING IN THE

NUMBER OF DEATHS AS A RESULT OF

COVID BECAUSE WE WERE NOT

PREPARED FOR THIS PANDEMIC AND

WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREPARED

THERE IS NO REASON, IN THIS

NATION, THAT OUR ECONOMIC

SYSTEM IS ON THE VERGE OF

COLLAPSING BECAUSE OF POLICY

DECISIONS.

THERE IS NO REASON

IN THIS NATION THAT WE'RE STILL

DEALING WITH THIS TYPE OF

AGGRESSIVE POLICING AND

LAWLESSNESS BY THOSE WHO ARE

SWORN TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT US

WE'RE DONE DYING

THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO

BEGIN TO PUSH PEOPLE TOWARDS

THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER SO WE CAN

SET A DIFFERENT VALUE

PROPOSITION THAT BLACK LIVES

MATTER AND IF BLACK LIVES

CANNOT MATTER, THEN NONE OF OUR

LIVES MATTER

THAT'S NOT A SEPARATIVE

STATEMENT.

THAT IS SAYING EQUAL PROTECTION

UNDER THE LAW SHOULD BE

AFFORDED TO ALL OF US AND IF WE

VALUE ALL OF US, THAT MEANS WE

ALL WILL HAVE A BETTER FUTURE.

>> Jimmy: THE LATE JOHN LEWIS

SAID "VOTE LIKE WE'VE NEVER

VOTED BEFORE."

THAT'S -- IT'S HAPPENING

YESTERDAY WAS NATIONAL VOTER

REGISTRATION DAY

THOSE WORDS MEAN A LOT THIS

ELECTION

I KNOW YOUR OTHER INITIATIVE IS

THE POWER OF FIVE VOTER

OUTREACH

>> YOU KNOW, I HAD THE

PRIVILEGE TO BE ON THE

EDMUND PETTUS BRIDGE NEXT TO

JOHN LEWIS WHEN HE MADE THOSE

STATEMENTS WITH SO MANY OTHER

PEOPLE AND VOTE LIKE WE'VE

NEVER VOTED BEFORE

VOTE LIKE OUR LIVES DEPEND ON

IT

AND IT'S SO TRUE

AND HE WAS SUCH A STAKES

PERSON

HE WAS ONE WHO WAS AN ORDINARY

PERSON WHO DID EXTRAORDINARY

THINGS

AND HE EMBRACED SO MANY PEOPLE,

BUT HIS STATEMENTS ARE SO TRUE

WHAT HE MARCHED FOR IN

1965 RESONATES TODAY

IT IS THE RIGHT TO CAST THE

BALLOT

SO WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO JOIN

OUR CAMPAIGN THAT WE KNOW THAT

YOU'RE VOTING BUT THERE ARE

FIVE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW OR

THERE ARE FIVE PEOPLE WE CAN

DIRECT YOU TO, TO GET THEM TO

THE POLLS.

WE CANNOT BE A TRUE

REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY IF WE

ALLOW THE FORCES TO SUPPRESS

VOTES OR TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE

FROM VOTING OR ALLOW A LEVEL OF

APATHY WHERE PEOPLE FEEL THEIR

VOTES DON'T MATTER

ALL OF OUR VOTES MATTER.

PUBLIC POLICY DIRECTS THE

QUALITY OF OUR LIFE.

WE CANNOT GET THE PUBLIC POLICY

CHANGES IF WE DON'T

PARTICIPATE.

>> Jimmy: PEOPLE ARE FEELING A

A LOT OF DIFFERENT EMOTIONS

TODAY.

IS THERE A WRONG WAY TO FEEL

TODAY?

>> YOU KNOW, I'M ANGRY

PEOPLE ARE DEPRESSED

PEOPLE ARE IN FEAR

PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED.

PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED AT A

A SYSTEM THAT HAS CAUSED SO

MUCH HARM.

YOU LOOK AT THE PEACEFUL

PROTESTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY

WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST THREE

MONTHS

YOU SEEN AMERICA, YOU SEE

BLACK, YOU SEE WHITE, YOU SEE

YOUNG, YOU SEE OLD, YOU SEE

MALE, FEMALE

IT'S ALL OF US WHO ARE SAYING,

"WE CAN DO THIS BETTER."

AND THIS MOMENT, THIS

INFLECTION POINT, HOW DO WE

LOOK TO A FUTURE THAT

REPRESENTS ALL OF US THAT

ALLOWS FOR A QUALITY OF LIFE

AND A COMFORT OF LIVING THAT WE

SHOULD ALL BE AFFORDED TO.

THAT OUR LABORS ARE VALUED AND

THAT WE CAN WORK IN HARMONY, AS

OPPOSED TO A PASS OF 1

1930 WHERE OTHERNESS SO

PERVASIVE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT

THE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT WE CALL

RACE EXCLUDED PEOPLE

IF YOU WAS IRISH IN BOSTON, YOU

WAS EXCLUDED IN 1930

YOU WAS JEWISH IN MANY PARTS OF

NEW YORK, YOU WAS EXCLUDED

IN 1930.

WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO ALLOW

A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT THAT STILL

IN MANY WAYS EXCLUDES SO MANY

AFRICAN-AMERICANS, EXCLUDES SO

MANY LATINOS TO CONTINUE TO BE

THE NORM

WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FORWARD.

SO ALL OF THE ANGER, THE

FRUSTRATION, LET US CHANNEL

THAT TOWARDS A FUTURE BUT WE

HAVE TO DO IT BY MOVING FROM

PEACEFUL PROTESTS TO POWER AT

THE BALLOT BOX WITH A VALUE

PROPOSITION THAT EQUAL

PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW SHOULD

BE AFFORDED TO ALL OF US AND

THEN ONCE THOSE POLICY MAKERS

ARE ELECTED, THEY WALK INTO

OFFICE, IMPLEMENTING PUBLIC

POLICY TO REFLECT THEIR VALUE

PROPOSITION.

THAT IS THE TRAJECTORY WE

SHOULD BE ON, NOT LOOKING

BACKWARDS.

>> Jimmy: LET'S MAKE THAT

HAPPEN

DERRICK JOHNSON, THANK YOU SO

MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU

>> THANK YOU

CONTINUE TO BE A SUPPORTER

THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD WORK.

>> Jimmy: THANK YOU, BUDDY

THANK YOU.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE

"TONIGHT SHOW," EVERYBODY.

♪

>> Jimmy: PERFORMING THE SONG

"ME GUSTA" FROM HER UPCOMING

ALBUM "GIRL FROM RIO."

HERE IS BRAZILIAN SUPERSTAR

ANITTA FEATURING CARDI B AND

MYKE TOWERS.

♪

♪ UH UH UH UH

UH UH UH

GO ♪

♪ YAH, YAH, YAH YAH, YAH, YAH ♪

♪ A MI ME GUSTA EVERY TIME YOU

LOOK A

ME THAT WA

A MI ME GUSTA ♪

♪ ALL THE DIRTY THING

YOU NEED EVERY DAY

A MI ME GUSTA ♪

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

♪ IT'S WHAT I LIK

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH

IT'S JUST WHAT I

LIKE, YEAH ♪

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

♪ WHEN THEY SHAKE THEIR YA, YA,

YA

A MI ME GUSTA WHEN

THEY WANT IT ♪

♪ GO AND GET IT

YA, YA, YA

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

♪ TRA

YEAH, YEAH

YAH, YAH, YA

TRA ♪

♪ YEAH, YEA

YAH, YAH, YAH ♪

♪ LA CARD

HE LIKE TO EAT THE CAK

LIKE IT'S MY

B-DAY B-DAY ♪

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

♪ BOY, I LIKE IT ROUG

DON'T TAKE IT EASY EAS

GANGSTA, YEAH, I LIK

IT IN THE BANDO ♪

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

♪ I LIKE GIRLS THAT

KISS ON GIRLS, ESO ME PONE

ON FIRE, YAH-YAH ♪

♪ I LIKE WORKIN', I LIK

MURKIN' ALL MY HATER

YAH-YAH-YAH, YEAH ♪

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

BAD BITCHES, M

GUSTAN TODITA ♪

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

♪ WHEN THEY SHAKE

THEIR YA YA YA

A MI GUSTA WHE

THEY WANT IT ♪

GO AND GET I

YA YA YA ♪

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

♪ TRA YEAH, YEA

YAH, YAH, YA

TRA ♪

♪ YEAH, YEA

YAH, YAH, YA

TRA ♪

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

[ SIGNING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

[ SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

♪ WHEN THEY SHAKE THEIR YA YA

YA

A MI GUSTA WHEN THEY

WANT ITGO AND GET IT ♪

♪ YA YA YA [ SINGING IN FOREIGN

LANGUAGE ]

♪ TRA

LA CARDI

YEAH, YEAH

YAH, YAH, YAH ♪

♪ MYKE TOWERS, BABY

YEAH, YEAH

YAH, YAH, YA

TRA ♪

>> Jimmy: THANK YOU TO ANITTA,

CARDI B AND MYKE TOWERS.

MORE "TONIGHT SHOW" WHEN WE

COME BACK.

♪

>> Jimmy: THANKS A LOT FOR

WATCHING

STAY SAFE OUT THERE, WASH YOUR

HANDS, DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE

STAY TUNED FOR "LATE NIGHT WITH

SETH MEYERS.

GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY.

♪

♪