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Mark. 3 00:00:04,505 --> 00:00:06,405 So, what brings you here today? 4 00:00:06,507 --> 00:00:08,440 (smerling laughs) 5 00:00:08,542 --> 00:00:11,577 all right, I want to start with your story 6 00:00:11,679 --> 00:00:14,346 inside the story, like you do in the book. 7 00:00:14,448 --> 00:00:15,848 Um... 8 00:00:15,950 --> 00:00:19,018 Christmas 1991-- could we start there? 9 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,186 Can you remember that day? 10 00:00:21,288 --> 00:00:23,622 I do remember the day. 11 00:00:23,724 --> 00:00:25,724 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:27,028 --> 00:00:29,061 morris: Early that morning, 13 00:00:29,163 --> 00:00:32,297 I suggested to my wife we should just go up 14 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,801 and look at the jeffrey macdonald crime scene together. 15 00:00:35,903 --> 00:00:37,970 Um... 16 00:00:38,072 --> 00:00:40,906 What better way to spend christmas? 17 00:00:41,008 --> 00:00:43,008 ♪ ♪ 18 00:00:44,378 --> 00:00:46,145 I get interested in stuff 19 00:00:46,247 --> 00:00:48,680 because I get bothered by stuff. 20 00:00:53,354 --> 00:00:57,790 And what's really interesting about the macdonald murder case 21 00:00:57,892 --> 00:01:00,092 is how many, many, 22 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:03,162 many people have gone back over this. 23 00:01:07,201 --> 00:01:11,103 It's a case that resists definitive explanations. 24 00:01:11,205 --> 00:01:13,272 ♪ ♪ 25 00:01:18,012 --> 00:01:21,513 wandering in that wilderness of conflicting evidence 26 00:01:21,615 --> 00:01:24,416 and interpretations, 27 00:01:24,518 --> 00:01:27,519 of mistakes, of errors... 28 00:01:37,698 --> 00:01:39,965 Certainly in this case, 29 00:01:40,067 --> 00:01:42,701 the mystery is about what happened 30 00:01:42,803 --> 00:01:44,536 in that house. 31 00:01:47,575 --> 00:01:50,609 I went into it with the hope that I could crack it... 32 00:01:52,379 --> 00:01:55,781 ...That I could come to some kind of conclusion. 33 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,153 But you don't know 34 00:02:01,255 --> 00:02:04,957 whether truth is going to be difficult to find 35 00:02:05,059 --> 00:02:07,693 unless you try to find it. 36 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:11,063 The wife and two young daughters of an army doctor 37 00:02:11,165 --> 00:02:13,565 were found dead in their home in fort bragg, north carolina. 38 00:02:13,667 --> 00:02:16,001 Mike wallace: You may remember the crime, back in 1970... 39 00:02:16,103 --> 00:02:18,036 One of america's most sensational murder cases... 40 00:02:18,139 --> 00:02:19,538 ...One of the most bizarre murder cases... 41 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:22,040 The most complicated murder case in history. 42 00:02:22,143 --> 00:02:24,476 Macdonald says the murderers were three men and a woman, 43 00:02:24,578 --> 00:02:28,113 shouting, "acid is great! Kill all the pigs!" 44 00:02:29,683 --> 00:02:31,517 it's a baffling story, the more you begin to look into it... 45 00:02:31,619 --> 00:02:32,851 Newswoman: Jeffrey macdonald's life became 46 00:02:32,953 --> 00:02:35,320 the subject of a book, a popular miniseries... 47 00:02:35,422 --> 00:02:38,223 ...A television movie called fatal vision. 48 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:40,259 Newsman: The bestseller portrayed macdonald 49 00:02:40,361 --> 00:02:41,827 as a cold-blooded killer. 50 00:02:41,929 --> 00:02:43,428 Newsman 2: Today macdonald was sentenced 51 00:02:43,531 --> 00:02:44,863 to three life terms in prison. 52 00:02:44,965 --> 00:02:46,398 (echoing thud) 53 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:49,401 man 2: Something really, really bad happened here. 54 00:02:49,503 --> 00:02:50,869 -It was a miscarriage of justice. -Macdonald: Well... 55 00:02:50,971 --> 00:02:53,539 I cannot overcome fatal vision. 56 00:02:53,641 --> 00:02:55,507 Morris: What happens when a narrative 57 00:02:55,609 --> 00:02:57,910 takes the place of reality? 58 00:02:58,012 --> 00:03:00,679 It's almost as if nothing really happened in history 59 00:03:00,781 --> 00:03:03,515 unless it has been recorded in a movie. 60 00:03:03,617 --> 00:03:06,251 Or in a television series. 61 00:03:06,353 --> 00:03:08,520 Newswoman 2: A new book by acclaimed author and filmmaker 62 00:03:08,622 --> 00:03:12,124 errol morris says that the case may be more complicated 63 00:03:12,226 --> 00:03:13,625 -than previously thought. -Macdonald: I did not... 64 00:03:13,727 --> 00:03:15,928 Hurt my wife and my children. 65 00:03:16,030 --> 00:03:18,797 Woman: That evening I was wearing a blonde wig 66 00:03:18,899 --> 00:03:21,099 -and floppy hat. -Man 3: An innocent man 67 00:03:21,202 --> 00:03:22,734 -is in jail today. -Woman 2: The man is guilty 68 00:03:22,836 --> 00:03:24,870 -as can be. -I am innocent. 69 00:03:24,972 --> 00:03:26,738 He's lucky I haven't gone out and killed him. 70 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,674 Macdonald (echoes): I am not that monster. 71 00:03:36,984 --> 00:03:38,984 (phone dialing) 72 00:03:43,691 --> 00:03:46,225 (line ringing) 73 00:03:51,432 --> 00:03:54,266 (phone ringing) 74 00:04:41,448 --> 00:04:43,982 morris: How old were you when this happened? 75 00:04:44,084 --> 00:04:47,486 Mica: That was 1970-- I would have been 23. 76 00:04:48,889 --> 00:04:50,689 I was an mp at fort bragg, 77 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:53,392 1968 to 1971. 78 00:04:53,494 --> 00:04:57,062 And I was one of the first mps 79 00:04:57,164 --> 00:04:59,998 in the house at 544 castle drive 80 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:02,100 the night of the macdonald murders. 81 00:05:12,613 --> 00:05:14,846 Mica: February 17, 1970, 82 00:05:14,948 --> 00:05:17,215 was, uh, quiet. 83 00:05:17,318 --> 00:05:19,751 It was drizzly, rainy, cold. 84 00:05:19,853 --> 00:05:21,920 (distorted police radio transmission) 85 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:24,723 -(siren wailing) -about 3:40 in the morning, 86 00:05:24,825 --> 00:05:27,926 we got a radio call for a disturbance. 87 00:05:34,702 --> 00:05:36,601 When we get to the call, 88 00:05:36,704 --> 00:05:39,004 couple cars are already there. 89 00:05:39,106 --> 00:05:41,540 I run into richard tevere. 90 00:05:41,642 --> 00:05:43,608 We're standing on the steps in front of the entrance 91 00:05:43,711 --> 00:05:45,844 to castle drive, and I believed 92 00:05:45,946 --> 00:05:48,680 that there was a disturbance and possibly a stabbing. 93 00:05:54,188 --> 00:05:56,121 -(siren approaching in distance) -we couldn't... 94 00:05:56,223 --> 00:05:58,223 Gain entry to the house, 95 00:05:58,325 --> 00:06:02,327 so I took my flashlight and I went around the back. 96 00:06:06,333 --> 00:06:08,333 The rear door was ajar. 97 00:06:09,570 --> 00:06:11,236 I pulled out my weapon, 98 00:06:11,338 --> 00:06:14,206 and I put a round in the chamber... 99 00:06:14,308 --> 00:06:16,842 Not knowing if there was somebody still in the house. 100 00:06:23,217 --> 00:06:24,950 I took one step in to the... 101 00:06:25,052 --> 00:06:26,885 What was, I guess, the bedroom. 102 00:06:26,987 --> 00:06:30,055 There was blood on the wall, blood on the ceiling, 103 00:06:30,157 --> 00:06:32,157 blood all over the place. 104 00:06:34,395 --> 00:06:37,963 That's when I saw her, a woman lying on the ground, 105 00:06:38,065 --> 00:06:40,999 covered with blood, 106 00:06:41,101 --> 00:06:45,237 and, uh, a male lying next to her, 107 00:06:45,339 --> 00:06:49,274 who I didn't know at the time was jeffrey macdonald. 108 00:06:50,778 --> 00:06:52,511 At first I thought 109 00:06:52,613 --> 00:06:55,080 it was a homicide-suicide. 110 00:06:55,182 --> 00:06:57,549 Uh, but then he started to move. 111 00:07:01,422 --> 00:07:03,088 I got down next to him 112 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:06,191 and started giving him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. 113 00:07:06,293 --> 00:07:09,027 He wakes up, and he's saying, "check my kids, check my kids. 114 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:10,695 I heard my kids." 115 00:07:11,732 --> 00:07:13,098 tevere: From the master bedroom, 116 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,033 we just took a few steps, 117 00:07:15,135 --> 00:07:18,370 looked into the first, smaller bedroom, 118 00:07:18,472 --> 00:07:20,172 and I could see the girl. 119 00:07:20,274 --> 00:07:22,073 She was lifeless. 120 00:07:23,977 --> 00:07:26,178 And then I went into the second bedroom, 121 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,448 and I saw, again, 122 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:33,018 a very young girl, lifeless. 123 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,021 There was blood dripping down the side of the bed, 124 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:38,957 and there was a puddle of blood on the floor. 125 00:07:42,596 --> 00:07:43,995 I, uh... 126 00:07:44,097 --> 00:07:46,364 Never in a million years expected to... 127 00:07:46,467 --> 00:07:48,467 Walk in on something like that. 128 00:07:48,569 --> 00:07:51,002 So it was a lot to, really, 129 00:07:51,104 --> 00:07:53,104 process at the time. 130 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:58,343 Ivory: Within five minutes, 131 00:07:58,445 --> 00:08:00,445 we were at the house. 132 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:04,850 There was an army ambulance 133 00:08:04,952 --> 00:08:06,918 and a number of mp cars 134 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:09,087 already there. 135 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:23,401 In the house, it looked like the living room 136 00:08:23,504 --> 00:08:26,304 had been caught up in some sort of struggle. 137 00:08:28,342 --> 00:08:32,244 There was a man on a gurney being wheeled out. 138 00:08:32,346 --> 00:08:34,546 He was unconscious. 139 00:08:39,386 --> 00:08:43,388 There was a female on the floor of the master bedroom. 140 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:52,764 There was a blue pajama top laying across her chest. 141 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:54,866 That was strange. 142 00:08:56,904 --> 00:08:58,803 And then, I noticed, in the headboard 143 00:08:58,906 --> 00:09:00,972 in the master bed, 144 00:09:01,074 --> 00:09:05,977 there was a bloody imprint of the word "pig." 145 00:09:11,351 --> 00:09:12,717 hodges: It's the worst thing, 146 00:09:12,819 --> 00:09:15,453 in my 53 years in law enforcement, 147 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:18,290 that I've ever walked into. 148 00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:23,662 Uh, it was a gruesome scene to see a, uh, 149 00:09:23,764 --> 00:09:28,300 a mother and two daughters mutilated like they were. 150 00:09:28,402 --> 00:09:31,836 And, uh, it's, uh... 151 00:09:31,939 --> 00:09:35,774 It's a s-- it's a scene that you ain't gonna forget. 152 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:45,183 Colette macdonald was stabbed 153 00:09:45,285 --> 00:09:49,020 multiple times in the neck and chest. 154 00:09:49,122 --> 00:09:52,257 Both arms were broken. 155 00:09:52,359 --> 00:09:54,593 And she was pregnant. 156 00:09:56,597 --> 00:09:59,297 The older girl had been stabbed. 157 00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:03,835 And had a blunt instrument wound to her head. 158 00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:09,407 And the younger girl had been stabbed numerous times. 159 00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:15,981 Ivory: My partner did a 360 160 00:10:16,083 --> 00:10:17,983 around the house. 161 00:10:18,085 --> 00:10:20,218 He went out and he came back in and he said, 162 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,487 "I think I found the murder weapons." 163 00:10:23,624 --> 00:10:25,790 there was a club, a knife 164 00:10:25,892 --> 00:10:27,158 and an ice pick. 165 00:10:29,663 --> 00:10:31,396 (siren wailing in distance) 166 00:10:31,498 --> 00:10:34,332 hodges: At that point, I went to the hospital 167 00:10:34,434 --> 00:10:36,635 to try to interview macdonald. 168 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:43,541 When I got there, I was briefed by a doctor. 169 00:10:43,644 --> 00:10:45,543 Gemma: There were some scrapes 170 00:10:45,646 --> 00:10:48,246 on his abdomen and on his chest, 171 00:10:48,348 --> 00:10:51,316 some small puncture wounds which didn't seem 172 00:10:51,418 --> 00:10:54,052 to be very serious at all. 173 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:56,021 It's not life-threatening. 174 00:10:58,325 --> 00:11:00,058 He was... 175 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,093 In no real acute distress. 176 00:11:04,131 --> 00:11:07,666 Hodges: When I went in, we identified who we were, 177 00:11:07,768 --> 00:11:12,170 and said, "what can you tell us about what happened?" 178 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:23,548 he said that he and colette had been listening to a record. 179 00:11:23,650 --> 00:11:28,053 He dozed off on the couch, and she had went to bed. 180 00:11:30,557 --> 00:11:32,757 He heard colette hollering, 181 00:11:32,859 --> 00:11:34,959 "jeff, jeff, why are they doing this to me?" 182 00:11:37,064 --> 00:11:39,064 he woke up. 183 00:11:41,068 --> 00:11:46,638 Hippies had broke into the house and attacked him and his family. 184 00:11:47,841 --> 00:11:50,408 He'd seen two white males, 185 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:52,711 black guy in an army jacket, 186 00:11:52,813 --> 00:11:56,281 and a woman with long blonde hair and a white floppy hat, 187 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:57,816 wearing boots. 188 00:11:57,918 --> 00:11:59,117 And she was saying, 189 00:11:59,219 --> 00:12:01,286 "acid is groovy, acid is groovy," 190 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:03,221 and was holding a candle. 191 00:12:04,524 --> 00:12:07,392 He had tried to fight 'em off. 192 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:20,171 Somehow, my pajama top, 193 00:12:20,273 --> 00:12:21,773 I don't know if it was ripped forward 194 00:12:21,875 --> 00:12:23,808 or pulled over my head. 195 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:25,810 -Colette (echoing): Jeff! -Macdonald: All of a sudden, it was in my way. 196 00:12:25,912 --> 00:12:28,313 -I couldn't get my hand free. -Colette: Why are they doing this to me?! 197 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:30,415 Macdonald: I was grappling with him, and I saw, 198 00:12:30,517 --> 00:12:33,251 you know, a-a blade. 199 00:12:33,353 --> 00:12:35,153 I-I really didn't even defend myself. 200 00:12:35,255 --> 00:12:37,822 It was really too-too fast. 201 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:39,491 Kimberly (echoing): Daddy! Daddy! 202 00:12:39,593 --> 00:12:40,925 And all this time, 203 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:42,827 I was hearing screams. 204 00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:45,697 Kimberly (echoing): Daddy! Daddy! 205 00:12:48,869 --> 00:12:51,269 ♪ ♪ 206 00:12:54,307 --> 00:12:57,275 next thing I remember was lying in the hallway 207 00:12:57,377 --> 00:13:00,612 at the end of the hallway floor. 208 00:13:00,714 --> 00:13:04,883 And I-I went down, um, to the bedroom. 209 00:13:06,319 --> 00:13:09,220 My wife was lying on-on the floor, 210 00:13:09,322 --> 00:13:10,989 next to the bed. 211 00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:15,693 I tried to give her artificial respiration, 212 00:13:15,796 --> 00:13:17,462 but the air was... 213 00:13:17,564 --> 00:13:18,797 Was coming out of her chest. 214 00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:20,365 So, uh... 215 00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:22,500 I went, picked up the phone, 216 00:13:22,602 --> 00:13:26,171 and, uh, I said my name was captain macdonald 217 00:13:26,273 --> 00:13:28,740 and I was at 544 castle drive 218 00:13:28,842 --> 00:13:32,143 and I needed a doctor and an ambulance. 219 00:13:33,180 --> 00:13:34,512 I dropped the phone, 220 00:13:34,614 --> 00:13:36,581 and I went back to check the kids, 221 00:13:36,683 --> 00:13:39,584 check their pulses and stuff and, uh... 222 00:13:39,686 --> 00:13:40,852 (inhales) 223 00:13:40,954 --> 00:13:42,120 I don't know. 224 00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:49,260 It kept hitting me that, really, nothing 225 00:13:49,362 --> 00:13:51,763 had been solved when I called the operator. 226 00:13:51,865 --> 00:13:53,998 So, I went in, you know, into the kitchen, 227 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:57,101 picked up that phone and a sergeant came on. 228 00:13:57,204 --> 00:13:59,370 He said, "can I help you?" 229 00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:02,574 so I told him that I needed a doctor and an ambulance, 230 00:14:02,676 --> 00:14:04,576 that some people had been stabbed, 231 00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:07,679 and I thought I was going to die. 232 00:14:12,118 --> 00:14:15,386 By this time, I was finding it really hard to breathe, 233 00:14:15,488 --> 00:14:20,892 and, uh, and, um... 234 00:14:20,994 --> 00:14:23,528 The next thing I knew, an mp was giving me 235 00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:26,364 mouth-to-mouth resuscitation 236 00:14:26,466 --> 00:14:30,068 next to, next to my wife. 237 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:40,545 What a strange, strange, strange story. 238 00:14:40,647 --> 00:14:43,781 A product of the times, the craziness of the times. 239 00:14:43,884 --> 00:14:47,886 Remember how violent and crazy the '60s were. 240 00:14:47,988 --> 00:14:51,089 Nixon: Tonight, in south vietnam, american units 241 00:14:51,191 --> 00:14:52,757 will attack the headquarters for... 242 00:14:52,859 --> 00:14:54,792 Mine eyes have seen... 243 00:14:54,895 --> 00:14:57,262 Dr. Martin luther king has been shot to death. 244 00:14:57,364 --> 00:15:00,298 News anchor: Senator robert francis kennedy died today. 245 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,301 News anchor 2: Guardsmen opened fire on the students, killing... 246 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:06,571 Morris: It was a time of confusion and anger. 247 00:15:06,673 --> 00:15:09,307 With each escalation, the world comes closer 248 00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:11,576 to the brink of cosmic disaster. 249 00:15:12,979 --> 00:15:16,981 And then, we have the manson murders. 250 00:15:17,083 --> 00:15:18,783 News anchor: In a scene described as reminiscent 251 00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:20,752 of a weird religious rite, 252 00:15:20,854 --> 00:15:24,322 five persons, including actress sharon tate, were found dead. 253 00:15:24,424 --> 00:15:26,291 Miss tate was eight months pregnant. 254 00:15:26,393 --> 00:15:29,427 Not far away, a middle-aged couple was found murdered. 255 00:15:29,529 --> 00:15:32,463 Morris: This was one of the cases of the century. It's everywhere. 256 00:15:32,565 --> 00:15:35,900 News anchor: The word "war" had been carved on his chest. 257 00:15:36,002 --> 00:15:39,270 With blood, the killer had scrawled "death to pigs." 258 00:15:39,372 --> 00:15:45,143 morris: The mansons are arrested in December of 1969, 259 00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:48,947 just months before the macdonald murders occurred, 260 00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:52,016 in February of 1970. 261 00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:55,019 The army has suspects, but no prime suspects 262 00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:57,021 in the bizarre murders of the wife 263 00:15:57,123 --> 00:15:59,490 and two young daughters of an army doctor. 264 00:15:59,592 --> 00:16:02,927 Captain jeffrey macdonald was reported in fair condition. 265 00:16:04,097 --> 00:16:05,430 Tevere: We immediately started looking 266 00:16:05,532 --> 00:16:08,199 for these crazed people running around fayetteville, 267 00:16:08,301 --> 00:16:11,135 emulating what had happened in california. 268 00:16:15,241 --> 00:16:18,609 It put the entire fort bragg and fayetteville area 269 00:16:18,712 --> 00:16:20,945 into a, you know, panic alert. 270 00:16:22,148 --> 00:16:24,615 Everybody was concerned about, 271 00:16:24,718 --> 00:16:27,352 you know, "would they come back into the housing area again?" 272 00:16:27,454 --> 00:16:29,387 you know, "what do I do to protect myself?" 273 00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:31,289 what about my family? What about my kids?" 274 00:16:33,593 --> 00:16:35,493 hodges: When I went home, my wife 275 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:38,830 had a butcher knife and a police pistol under a pillow. 276 00:16:38,932 --> 00:16:40,798 She figured if it was hippies, I guess, 277 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,868 that they were still running loose out there, you know? 278 00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:47,105 And if they did it one time, they could do it again. 279 00:16:48,608 --> 00:16:53,144 Fort bragg is part of fayetteville. 280 00:16:53,246 --> 00:16:57,382 Fayetteville was called "fayettenam" at that time. 281 00:16:57,484 --> 00:17:01,652 Tevere: It was a melting pot for a lot of different scenarios. 282 00:17:01,755 --> 00:17:03,855 There were hippies, and there were a lot of guys 283 00:17:03,957 --> 00:17:07,191 that came back from vietnam that had drug issues. 284 00:17:12,499 --> 00:17:14,999 Hodges: There was an area called haymount hill 285 00:17:15,101 --> 00:17:17,935 that was really bad for drugs. 286 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:21,039 We went there and rounded up 287 00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:23,541 a bunch of hippies that halfway matched 288 00:17:23,643 --> 00:17:25,376 the description that macdonald had given. 289 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:29,680 And none of them denied they were on drugs, 290 00:17:29,783 --> 00:17:31,282 but they all denied 291 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:33,751 having anything to do with the murders. 292 00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:37,522 Or knowing anybody fitting the descriptions. 293 00:17:41,528 --> 00:17:43,528 Then, her name came up. 294 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:47,565 Helena stoeckley. 295 00:17:49,803 --> 00:17:53,237 A city police officer named prince beasley 296 00:17:53,339 --> 00:17:56,908 clamed that helena fit this description. 297 00:17:57,010 --> 00:18:00,378 I had seen helena on many occasions, 298 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,647 with these other people that, uh, 299 00:18:02,749 --> 00:18:05,483 dr. Macdonald gave the description of. 300 00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:02,440 Ivory: Prince beasley called my office, 301 00:19:02,542 --> 00:19:04,909 so I made it a point to go down and talk to him. 302 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:09,981 When I got down there, she was there. 303 00:19:11,985 --> 00:19:17,555 I interviewed her and found no leads at all. 304 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:22,560 Absolutely no information that would tie her to the case. 305 00:19:30,303 --> 00:19:34,138 It was just-- added more to the confusion. 306 00:19:49,489 --> 00:19:50,821 Ivory: It was... 307 00:19:50,924 --> 00:19:53,124 About halfway through the first day. 308 00:19:57,263 --> 00:20:00,164 At that point, we went back to the house 309 00:20:00,266 --> 00:20:03,935 to take a closer look at the crime scene... 310 00:20:06,639 --> 00:20:08,172 ...To find out 311 00:20:08,274 --> 00:20:11,275 what the story was, what actually happened there. 312 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:18,583 Hodges: It didn't really add up to anybody broke into the house. 313 00:20:18,685 --> 00:20:22,954 What had happened, it happened inside that house. 314 00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:41,038 When you get right down to it, macdonald's the only one 315 00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:43,574 that possibly could've done it. 316 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:49,947 Announcer: This is cbs news with walter cronkite. 317 00:20:50,049 --> 00:20:53,284 The army has changed green beret doctor jeffrey macdonald 318 00:20:53,386 --> 00:20:54,885 with the murders of his pregnant wife 319 00:20:54,988 --> 00:20:56,487 and their two young daughters 320 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,956 of fort bragg, north carolina last February. 321 00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:00,791 It said the case will be referred... 322 00:21:00,893 --> 00:21:02,393 News anchor: A military article 32 hearing 323 00:21:02,495 --> 00:21:04,996 is scheduled to begin at fort bragg 324 00:21:05,098 --> 00:21:08,366 with special forces captain jeffrey macdonald. 325 00:21:08,468 --> 00:21:11,035 News anchor 2: An article 32 is the military equivalent 326 00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:13,904 of a civilian preliminary hearing. 327 00:21:16,743 --> 00:21:20,344 Malley: I was just getting ready to leave for infantry school 328 00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:26,017 when I saw the story about the murder at fort bragg. 329 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,085 I thought, "you know, he looks familiar." 330 00:21:28,187 --> 00:21:30,655 and then I read it, and I was shocked. 331 00:21:30,757 --> 00:21:33,858 I thought, "this has really... 332 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,593 "got to be wrong. 333 00:21:35,695 --> 00:21:37,762 "I mean, I don't know why it's wrong, or how it's wrong, 334 00:21:37,864 --> 00:21:40,998 "but it's got-- I mean, why would jeff macdonald 335 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:43,000 do something like this?" 336 00:21:43,102 --> 00:21:47,204 and I kept saying, "I h-- to me, it makes no sense, 337 00:21:47,307 --> 00:21:49,307 because I know the guy." 338 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:57,248 jeff was my roommate sophomore year, 339 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:59,784 in, um, I-in college. 340 00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:01,519 We went to princeton, 341 00:22:01,621 --> 00:22:04,188 but jeff left at the end of our junior year 342 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:07,558 to go to medical school, and I went to law school. 343 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:08,726 Y-you could think, you know, 344 00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:10,261 "I wonder if jeff's got-- gone crazy. 345 00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,196 I wonder if jeff's taking drugs. I wonder..." 346 00:22:12,298 --> 00:22:14,899 y-you know, th-- all those things you can think of, 347 00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:16,634 'cause I haven't s-- I hadn't seen him in a year or-- 348 00:22:16,736 --> 00:22:18,436 more than a year. 349 00:22:18,538 --> 00:22:23,240 But none of that made any sense, about the person that I knew. 350 00:22:25,144 --> 00:22:26,777 Then I got a letter from jeff 351 00:22:26,879 --> 00:22:29,280 saying that he is gonna request me to be 352 00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:31,382 part of the defense team. 353 00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:38,456 I told him, "you know, I'm barely out of law school." 354 00:22:38,558 --> 00:22:41,492 he needed to have a trial lawyer. 355 00:22:41,594 --> 00:22:44,295 News anchor: The mother of green beret captain jeffrey macdonald 356 00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:48,132 has hired a lawyer to defend her 26-year-old son. 357 00:22:48,234 --> 00:22:51,268 The lawyer, bernard segal, says he has started 358 00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:54,105 his own investigation of February's slayings. 359 00:22:54,207 --> 00:22:55,773 (excited chatter) 360 00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:58,509 segal: With all my heart, I tell every one of them 361 00:22:58,611 --> 00:23:01,011 that jeffrey macdonald did not kill his family. 362 00:23:03,182 --> 00:23:06,817 Malley: Bernie segal had a reputation as being 363 00:23:06,919 --> 00:23:09,520 one of the upcoming criminal trial lawyers in philadelphia. 364 00:23:09,622 --> 00:23:13,357 Segal: He is innocent of the charges against him. 365 00:23:17,096 --> 00:23:21,966 Morris: So, cliff, why did you sit down to do this interview? 366 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:24,969 You asked me. You're the only ones who have. 367 00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:28,472 Nobody ever asked me. I was sort of surprised. 368 00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:37,882 Article 32s are normally quiet investigations. 369 00:23:41,721 --> 00:23:45,656 But this case was a big deal. 370 00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:48,893 And so, 371 00:23:48,995 --> 00:23:53,998 when they asked me to be the lead prosecutor, 372 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:57,301 hot dog that I was, I said, "gee, that'd be wonderful." 373 00:23:57,403 --> 00:24:00,905 ♪ ♪ 374 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:05,743 douthat: You've got to realize there was 375 00:24:05,845 --> 00:24:07,678 an anti-army feeling at the time. 376 00:24:07,780 --> 00:24:09,413 ♪ ♪ 377 00:24:09,515 --> 00:24:12,483 in this case had so much publicity. 378 00:24:12,585 --> 00:24:14,418 It was on the headlines every day. 379 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,887 It had everything-- ivy league school, 380 00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:20,691 doctor, green beret, all-american boy, 381 00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,226 pregnant wife, children, 382 00:24:22,328 --> 00:24:25,362 homicide, and the 383 00:24:25,465 --> 00:24:28,265 pressure was on the army to perform. 384 00:24:32,972 --> 00:24:35,606 ♪ ♪ 385 00:24:35,708 --> 00:24:38,509 beale: This tragic murder happened, 386 00:24:38,611 --> 00:24:40,177 and it was just awful. 387 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,580 But, uh, fortunately, I was in the right place 388 00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:44,582 at the right time and the general offered me 389 00:24:44,684 --> 00:24:46,450 the chance to be the judge. 390 00:24:49,489 --> 00:24:52,423 Of course, when I say "judge," technically I was 391 00:24:52,525 --> 00:24:56,060 the legal advisor to the article 32 officer... 392 00:24:56,162 --> 00:24:58,562 Colonel rock. 393 00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:03,534 This article 32 was the biggest one I've ever seen. 394 00:25:03,636 --> 00:25:07,538 We knew-- we being the defense team-- 395 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,573 we're not rolling over here. 396 00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:21,051 Somers: I don't think any of us 397 00:25:21,153 --> 00:25:24,622 at that point had a real grasp 398 00:25:24,724 --> 00:25:28,826 of just how complex this was going to turn out to be. 399 00:25:30,763 --> 00:25:33,197 Rock: This hearing will come to order. 400 00:25:35,535 --> 00:25:37,935 Somers: In order to establish 401 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:40,404 what was found from the beginning, 402 00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:42,473 you have to call the witnesses 403 00:25:42,575 --> 00:25:44,675 who were on the scene at the beginning. 404 00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:50,581 And that would be mica. 405 00:25:50,683 --> 00:25:53,350 The government calls specialist fourth class mica. 406 00:25:55,087 --> 00:25:57,955 Mica: When they started the article 32, 407 00:25:58,057 --> 00:26:00,791 I testified the 5th of July. 408 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:02,626 It was my birthday. 409 00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:05,629 Somers: What was the weather like that morning? 410 00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:08,098 Mica: It was raining. 411 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,501 It rained off and on all night long. 412 00:26:10,603 --> 00:26:12,469 Somers: Did you note any unusual 413 00:26:12,572 --> 00:26:14,305 pedestrians or disturbances 414 00:26:14,407 --> 00:26:16,507 in the early morning of the 17th of February 415 00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:18,909 in that castle drive area? 416 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,146 Mica: No, sir. 417 00:26:22,248 --> 00:26:25,049 Somers: According to captain mcdonald's story, 418 00:26:25,151 --> 00:26:29,086 four intruders came into his house. 419 00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:33,657 Did you see any mud or foreign debris 420 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,160 on the floor of the hall, which traversed the living room? 421 00:26:36,262 --> 00:26:38,696 Mica: No, sir. 422 00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:40,331 Somers: I was trying to establish 423 00:26:40,433 --> 00:26:42,166 an amazing lack 424 00:26:42,268 --> 00:26:45,035 of evidence of anyone 425 00:26:45,137 --> 00:26:47,304 having come into that place. 426 00:26:47,406 --> 00:26:49,873 When you glanced into the living room, 427 00:26:49,976 --> 00:26:52,910 dining room, kitchen area, did you notice any 428 00:26:53,012 --> 00:26:55,379 particular disarray in the dining room area? 429 00:26:55,481 --> 00:26:58,248 Mica: Not in the dining room. 430 00:26:58,351 --> 00:27:00,517 Somers: The dining room could not have been 431 00:27:00,620 --> 00:27:03,687 more than six feet at most away from where all 432 00:27:03,789 --> 00:27:06,590 this fighting was taking place. 433 00:27:09,695 --> 00:27:12,029 Yet cards, which were standing up on the table, 434 00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:13,931 are still standing. 435 00:27:14,033 --> 00:27:16,567 Which I find almost impossible 436 00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:19,003 if there had been a fight there. 437 00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:21,705 Mica: In the living room, there was 438 00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:23,941 a coffee table overturned. 439 00:27:24,043 --> 00:27:25,943 Somers: How was it lying, on its top or--? 440 00:27:26,045 --> 00:27:28,045 Mica: On its edge. 441 00:27:28,147 --> 00:27:31,215 Somers: The cid investigators knocked that coffee table 442 00:27:31,317 --> 00:27:33,050 over again and again 443 00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:36,220 and again. 444 00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:37,955 It always fell on its top. 445 00:27:38,057 --> 00:27:41,625 How this table could have been sitting on its side 446 00:27:41,727 --> 00:27:44,028 on top of this stack of magazines 447 00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:46,096 as a result of being 448 00:27:46,198 --> 00:27:48,098 knocked over in a fight 449 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,767 is inconceivable. 450 00:27:49,869 --> 00:27:52,302 I have no further questions. 451 00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:57,107 Malley: The prosecution said, "everybody knows 452 00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:59,777 that the guy who is accused did it anyway," 453 00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:05,082 and so, they felt they have an authority that nobody else has. 454 00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:08,652 They had no idea, no idea, 455 00:28:08,754 --> 00:28:11,355 what real defense counsel could do. 456 00:28:12,391 --> 00:28:13,957 Segal: At this time, 457 00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:15,793 I want to show you some photographs 458 00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:17,895 that have been supplied to the defense by the government. 459 00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:20,264 Douthat: We got 460 00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:22,966 the witness statements and whatnot from the various mps 461 00:28:23,069 --> 00:28:24,668 and the crime scene photographs, 462 00:28:24,770 --> 00:28:28,072 and they didn't necessarily jive. 463 00:28:28,174 --> 00:28:31,275 Segal: Specialist mica, do you ever recall 464 00:28:31,377 --> 00:28:34,812 seeing the telephone in that particular fashion? 465 00:28:34,914 --> 00:28:37,014 Mica: Yes, sir. 466 00:28:37,116 --> 00:28:40,784 Segal: Do you ever recall the handset being where it appears to be 467 00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:42,319 in this photograph? 468 00:28:42,421 --> 00:28:45,355 Mica: No, sir, not that I remember. 469 00:28:45,458 --> 00:28:47,191 What happened was, 470 00:28:47,293 --> 00:28:51,195 photographer came in, he started taking photos... 471 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,934 ...And he got so upset and sick that he couldn't continue. 472 00:28:57,036 --> 00:28:59,970 So you had one set of photographs I-in the beginning, 473 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,372 then you had a time lapse 474 00:29:02,475 --> 00:29:05,309 by the time they brought a second photographer in. 475 00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:09,446 And they had two different sets of photos they were using. 476 00:29:12,151 --> 00:29:14,017 Douthat: To me, the first thing you do is secure 477 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,653 the crime scene, and that was not done. 478 00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:19,623 Segal: What is different in this photograph 479 00:29:19,725 --> 00:29:21,992 than as what you recall seeing? 480 00:29:22,094 --> 00:29:25,162 Mica: Well, it shows this red thing here. 481 00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:26,964 I thought it was more or less down the steps 482 00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:28,532 in front of the stairs. 483 00:29:28,634 --> 00:29:30,167 Malley: Bernie's view was, "you know, 484 00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:33,904 "once you start pulling those little threads out, 485 00:29:34,006 --> 00:29:37,908 the garment might fall apart," and it turned out, it did. 486 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:41,578 Segal: What is different about that white flower pot 487 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,014 in the photograph than as what you recall seeing? 488 00:29:44,116 --> 00:29:45,682 In this photograph, it is standing 489 00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:48,519 on what appears to be its base. 490 00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:50,888 I remember it as being on its side. 491 00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:53,090 Beale: There was a flower pot 492 00:29:53,192 --> 00:29:54,725 that got stood up. 493 00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:56,093 They had moved the clothing. 494 00:29:56,195 --> 00:29:57,928 Somebody put the phone 495 00:29:58,030 --> 00:29:59,863 back on the hook. 496 00:29:59,965 --> 00:30:01,498 It really started to raise questions 497 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,835 in your mind of, "gee whiz, what were they doing? 498 00:30:04,937 --> 00:30:07,037 Who was moving all this stuff?" 499 00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:10,507 segal: I would like, if you could assist us, specialist mica, 500 00:30:10,609 --> 00:30:13,010 to help us determine 501 00:30:13,112 --> 00:30:15,546 how many people were in the macdonald house 502 00:30:15,648 --> 00:30:18,715 at the time the medics came and removed captain macdonald. 503 00:30:18,818 --> 00:30:21,785 Mica: There were just too many people in there. 504 00:30:21,887 --> 00:30:23,620 At one point, somebody said, 505 00:30:23,722 --> 00:30:25,389 "how long is it gonna be before they, you know, 506 00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:27,457 remove the bodies," they said, "oh, it's gonna be hours," 507 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,126 and this guy's like, "ugh." 508 00:30:29,228 --> 00:30:33,096 he walked across, sat on the couch. 509 00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:35,532 I said, "get off the couch." 510 00:30:35,634 --> 00:30:37,201 segal: That white flower pot, 511 00:30:37,303 --> 00:30:40,137 how had it gotten from its position 512 00:30:40,239 --> 00:30:43,640 lying on its side to standing on its base? 513 00:30:43,742 --> 00:30:47,644 Mica: I believe it was that man who sat on the couch 514 00:30:47,746 --> 00:30:49,980 I believe he sat it upright. 515 00:30:52,051 --> 00:30:56,053 Segal: I have nothing further of this witness, sir, at this time. 516 00:30:58,691 --> 00:31:00,457 Douthat: Once we started to cut 517 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,894 the feet out from under them, we began to feel pretty good. 518 00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:05,329 Bernie decided, 519 00:31:05,431 --> 00:31:06,930 "let's go back to the table going over. 520 00:31:07,032 --> 00:31:09,499 That was a big deal for them." 521 00:31:09,602 --> 00:31:11,468 and if you look at the photographs, 522 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:16,306 there was a rocking chair in front of the table. 523 00:31:16,408 --> 00:31:19,309 And we figured, "wait a minute, what happened was, 524 00:31:19,411 --> 00:31:22,980 "is the-the coffee table hit the chair, spun the chair around, 525 00:31:23,082 --> 00:31:25,482 "it stopped the momentum, the magazines fell 526 00:31:25,584 --> 00:31:27,684 and the coffee table landed on top of 'em." 527 00:31:27,786 --> 00:31:31,455 we asked colonel rock to try and settle it. 528 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:34,791 Beale: Colonel rock and I went over 529 00:31:34,894 --> 00:31:37,761 to the quarters where the murders took place. 530 00:31:37,863 --> 00:31:41,198 He wanted to try this little experiment with this table. 531 00:31:48,207 --> 00:31:50,440 How'd it land-land on its side? 532 00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:54,144 He kind of laughed and said, "so much for that theory." 533 00:31:54,246 --> 00:31:56,713 (indistinct chatter) 534 00:31:56,815 --> 00:32:00,550 segal: The crime scene handling by the, uh, army cid 535 00:32:00,653 --> 00:32:04,354 is a primary example of a crime scene investigation gone mad. 536 00:32:04,456 --> 00:32:08,859 27 different people marched through the crime scene, 537 00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:13,130 destroying a great deal of what was potential evidence there, 538 00:32:13,232 --> 00:32:14,564 without a doubt. 539 00:32:27,346 --> 00:32:30,614 Morris: The deaths were horrible. 540 00:32:30,716 --> 00:32:36,286 And we're talking about his wife, his children. 541 00:32:36,388 --> 00:32:40,157 We're talking about two little girls. 542 00:32:40,259 --> 00:32:43,427 Kimberley and kristen, five and two. 543 00:32:46,765 --> 00:32:48,732 If jeffrey indeed was responsible 544 00:32:48,834 --> 00:32:50,834 for these murders... 545 00:32:53,706 --> 00:32:57,674 ...What was the motivation? 546 00:32:57,776 --> 00:33:00,210 Why did he do it? 547 00:33:03,282 --> 00:33:05,015 Rock: Does counsel for the accused 548 00:33:05,117 --> 00:33:08,785 have any further witnesses at this time? 549 00:33:08,887 --> 00:33:12,689 Segal: Yes, sir. Mr. Kassab, please. 550 00:33:12,791 --> 00:33:15,926 Would you state what relationship you are 551 00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:17,761 to captain jeffrey macdonald? 552 00:33:17,863 --> 00:33:20,864 I am his father-in-law. 553 00:33:20,966 --> 00:33:22,532 Douthat: Did you ever hear jeff macdonald 554 00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:27,304 raise his voice to your daughter in anger? 555 00:33:27,406 --> 00:33:29,473 Freddy: No. Never at any time. 556 00:33:29,575 --> 00:33:34,478 They were the happiest I'd ever seen them. 557 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:38,048 Malley: We interviewed a lot of his friends, his family, 558 00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:41,885 his-his former patients, to show what kind of a guy he was. 559 00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:45,555 Everybody liked jeff, 560 00:33:45,657 --> 00:33:49,493 including freddy kassab. 561 00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:51,995 Segal: Can you describe his attitude and conduct 562 00:33:52,097 --> 00:33:53,630 towards his children? 563 00:33:53,732 --> 00:33:56,333 Freddy: Every time you'd turn around, 564 00:33:56,435 --> 00:33:58,835 he had one of the girls playing with him. 565 00:34:00,939 --> 00:34:03,807 Man: Do you and mildred miss colette? 566 00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:05,475 Oh, god, yes. 567 00:34:06,512 --> 00:34:08,512 And the children. 568 00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:16,353 Man: Life hasn't been quite the same? 569 00:34:16,455 --> 00:34:19,956 Freddy: It's never been the same since that day. 570 00:34:41,113 --> 00:34:44,614 Stevenson: I remember standing there, waiting, 571 00:34:44,716 --> 00:34:46,716 and then seeing... 572 00:34:47,953 --> 00:34:50,053 ...Beside my sister's coffin, 573 00:34:50,155 --> 00:34:53,890 two little coffins about this big 574 00:34:53,992 --> 00:34:56,393 being put into the ground. 575 00:34:56,495 --> 00:35:01,498 It broke me. It broke me. 576 00:35:07,706 --> 00:35:09,806 -Morris: When we spoke the first time... -Yes. 577 00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:11,441 Morris: ...You seemed at wit's end 578 00:35:11,543 --> 00:35:14,211 with this constant retelling of this story. 579 00:35:14,313 --> 00:35:19,983 Every year, somebody wants to throw a rope around my legs 580 00:35:20,085 --> 00:35:22,986 and drag me through the family pool of blood again, 581 00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:26,056 and I have to go through all of it and learning too many things, 582 00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:29,626 uh-- remembering things I don't want to remember anymore, 583 00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:31,061 and I'm not gonna do it anymore. 584 00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:32,996 That was... That was it. 585 00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:41,304 But I've come to understand that it's not going to go away. 586 00:35:41,406 --> 00:35:43,039 I'll tell my story. 587 00:35:44,076 --> 00:35:46,510 I'll tell what I can. 588 00:35:47,779 --> 00:35:50,714 ♪ ♪ 589 00:35:52,451 --> 00:35:55,385 my mother wanted a girl desperately. 590 00:35:56,788 --> 00:35:58,855 She had had stillborn children. 591 00:36:00,225 --> 00:36:02,926 Each one was named colette. 592 00:36:03,028 --> 00:36:06,496 I remember one of my mother's catholic friends saying, 593 00:36:06,598 --> 00:36:09,166 "how will god ever know which colette is which?" 594 00:36:09,268 --> 00:36:11,034 tried to deter her. 595 00:36:11,136 --> 00:36:12,636 "don't do another colette." 596 00:36:14,273 --> 00:36:17,541 but yet, my sister was colette three. 597 00:36:19,278 --> 00:36:22,946 My mother dressed her to a fault. 598 00:36:23,048 --> 00:36:25,682 She was the most picturesque thing 599 00:36:25,784 --> 00:36:27,784 you ever saw in your life. 600 00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:33,223 Smerling: When did you meet colette? 601 00:36:33,325 --> 00:36:35,525 Kindergarten. 602 00:36:35,627 --> 00:36:37,694 You know, you walk in the first day, 603 00:36:37,796 --> 00:36:40,497 and, you know, you look to find somebody. 604 00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:47,504 Right from the beginning, we were kind of buddies. 605 00:36:47,606 --> 00:36:50,507 She was funny, she was lighthearted. 606 00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:52,709 She was my best friend. 607 00:36:52,811 --> 00:36:57,314 But as close as I was to her... 608 00:36:58,784 --> 00:37:01,851 ...She camouflaged a lot of things. 609 00:37:05,290 --> 00:37:08,158 The only thing she shared is when her father died, 610 00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:11,261 how sad, how devastated she was. 611 00:37:17,202 --> 00:37:19,169 We were really much closer 612 00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:21,605 than most mothers and daughters, 613 00:37:21,707 --> 00:37:24,874 because as a little child, she lost her father, 614 00:37:24,977 --> 00:37:27,277 and I meant... 615 00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:29,779 More to her because of that. 616 00:37:29,881 --> 00:37:32,015 And then, when I married freddy, 617 00:37:32,117 --> 00:37:35,719 she just loved him as a father. 618 00:37:35,821 --> 00:37:38,888 Man: How old was colette when you first met her? 619 00:37:38,991 --> 00:37:40,557 Freddy: When I first met colette, 620 00:37:40,659 --> 00:37:43,260 she was approximately 13 years of age. 621 00:37:43,362 --> 00:37:45,095 I was courting her mother. 622 00:37:45,197 --> 00:37:48,431 Um, it was quite a while back now. 623 00:37:48,533 --> 00:37:50,900 Stevenson: Colette loved freddy. 624 00:37:51,003 --> 00:37:54,137 She loved him very, very much. 625 00:37:55,807 --> 00:37:57,874 Man: You have also 626 00:37:57,976 --> 00:38:00,443 known jeff macdonald for a long, long time. 627 00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:03,146 When did you first meet macdonald? 628 00:38:03,248 --> 00:38:05,315 I first met macdonald 629 00:38:05,417 --> 00:38:09,953 probably within a month or two after I met colette. 630 00:38:10,055 --> 00:38:13,056 They were in junior high school together, 631 00:38:13,158 --> 00:38:15,191 and he would come over to the house. 632 00:38:17,696 --> 00:38:21,431 Mildred: He and colette dated through high school. 633 00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:24,668 We thought he was a... An especially nice boy. 634 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:26,403 Very nice. 635 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,273 Reich: Jeff was a football star. 636 00:38:30,375 --> 00:38:32,776 He had charisma. 637 00:38:32,878 --> 00:38:35,011 Everybody liked him. 638 00:38:35,113 --> 00:38:36,946 He was outgoing. 639 00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:38,782 Uh, he was friendly. 640 00:38:38,884 --> 00:38:41,618 He was just everything. 641 00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:47,090 Smerling: How quickly did jeffrey and colette get married? 642 00:38:47,192 --> 00:38:49,292 Reich: She was 20. 643 00:38:49,394 --> 00:38:51,528 I came back from school, and 644 00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:53,863 she called to say she was getting married. 645 00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:56,766 And, you know, I was a little surprised, 646 00:38:56,868 --> 00:38:58,835 but then I realized she told me 647 00:38:58,937 --> 00:39:00,970 why they were getting married, so... 648 00:39:01,073 --> 00:39:02,305 Smerling: And why was that? 649 00:39:02,407 --> 00:39:04,074 She was pregnant. 650 00:39:08,914 --> 00:39:10,780 Man: I take it you and mildred were pleased 651 00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:12,148 when they decided to get married? 652 00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:15,285 Freddy: Oh, yes. 653 00:39:15,387 --> 00:39:17,520 He was a nice, presentable young man, 654 00:39:17,622 --> 00:39:19,989 good potential for the future, 655 00:39:20,092 --> 00:39:21,391 so therefore we saw nothing wrong 656 00:39:21,493 --> 00:39:22,992 with them getting married. 657 00:39:35,474 --> 00:39:37,173 Freddy: May I add one thing? 658 00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:38,842 Segal: Yes, you may. 659 00:39:38,944 --> 00:39:41,044 Freddy: If I had another daughter, 660 00:39:41,146 --> 00:39:44,180 I'd still want the same son-in-law. 661 00:39:52,424 --> 00:39:55,525 (crowd chatter) 662 00:39:57,429 --> 00:39:59,696 my daughter and two grandchildren... 663 00:39:59,798 --> 00:40:02,065 (clears throat) excuse me. 664 00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:06,369 ...Suffered in excess of 80 stab wounds. 665 00:40:06,471 --> 00:40:09,839 What they want the public to believe is 666 00:40:09,941 --> 00:40:11,941 that a sane man-- 667 00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:14,377 and they charged premeditation, mind you-- 668 00:40:14,479 --> 00:40:17,113 sat down and planned 669 00:40:17,215 --> 00:40:19,516 to perform such an act. 670 00:40:19,618 --> 00:40:21,951 I don't believe anybody in this country would believe that. 671 00:40:22,053 --> 00:40:24,220 That a sane man would do this. 672 00:40:31,113 --> 00:40:33,446 Somers: You can't explain this 673 00:40:33,548 --> 00:40:37,450 horrendous event logically, 674 00:40:37,552 --> 00:40:41,988 because if indeed macdonald did it, 675 00:40:42,090 --> 00:40:45,558 he was in no frame of mind to be logical. 676 00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:47,827 I believe 677 00:40:47,929 --> 00:40:51,297 if the story fits the physical evidence, 678 00:40:51,399 --> 00:40:53,533 then you probably have a good story. 679 00:40:53,635 --> 00:40:55,735 If it doesn't fit the physical evidence, 680 00:40:55,837 --> 00:40:57,570 then it's a loser. 681 00:40:57,672 --> 00:41:00,140 Jeff's never fit that evidence. 682 00:41:00,242 --> 00:41:02,408 (doors open) 683 00:41:02,511 --> 00:41:04,410 attorney: The government calls 684 00:41:04,513 --> 00:41:06,579 specialist fourth class craig chamberlain. 685 00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:08,414 Somers: There is only one story 686 00:41:08,517 --> 00:41:10,250 that fit that evidence. 687 00:41:11,620 --> 00:41:13,219 Chamberlain: I was called in 688 00:41:13,321 --> 00:41:15,021 to the head of the lab and said, 689 00:41:15,123 --> 00:41:16,589 "there's a murder case at fort bragg. 690 00:41:16,691 --> 00:41:19,492 We need you to go there as a member of a team." 691 00:41:23,532 --> 00:41:26,866 probably the most important evidence was that 692 00:41:26,968 --> 00:41:28,868 each member of the group of four 693 00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:31,137 in that family had a different blood type. 694 00:41:32,707 --> 00:41:36,876 Somers: Jeff had b blood, 695 00:41:36,978 --> 00:41:39,712 colette had a blood, 696 00:41:39,815 --> 00:41:42,949 kimberley had ab blood, 697 00:41:43,051 --> 00:41:45,852 and kristen had o blood. 698 00:41:45,954 --> 00:41:48,521 So you could trace 699 00:41:48,623 --> 00:41:51,724 where everybody's blood was in that unit. 700 00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:55,261 Chamberlain: Macdonald had said 701 00:41:55,363 --> 00:41:57,997 he was assaulted in the living room. 702 00:42:00,335 --> 00:42:02,302 Smerling: Do you remember where blood was found in the living room? 703 00:42:02,404 --> 00:42:04,103 It just wasn't there. 704 00:42:04,206 --> 00:42:07,073 But there was a massive amount of blood 705 00:42:07,175 --> 00:42:10,910 in the master bedroom where colette's body was found. 706 00:42:12,881 --> 00:42:16,049 Somers: Our theory was that an argument ensued 707 00:42:16,151 --> 00:42:18,751 in the master bedroom with colette. 708 00:42:18,854 --> 00:42:22,555 That argument 709 00:42:22,657 --> 00:42:23,923 begins to escalate. 710 00:42:26,328 --> 00:42:29,562 At some point, macdonald picks up this stick, 711 00:42:29,664 --> 00:42:31,497 and he starts beating her. 712 00:42:37,939 --> 00:42:39,305 Kimberly (echoing): Daddy! Daddy! 713 00:42:39,407 --> 00:42:41,741 We believe, while this is going on, 714 00:42:41,843 --> 00:42:45,912 kimberley, his older daughter, gets out of bed. 715 00:42:46,014 --> 00:42:49,015 He has the stick in his hand. 716 00:42:49,117 --> 00:42:50,783 He swings it around, 717 00:42:50,886 --> 00:42:53,953 and it hits her... 718 00:42:54,055 --> 00:42:56,823 Right across the side of the head, 719 00:42:56,925 --> 00:42:59,525 crushes her skull. 720 00:42:59,628 --> 00:43:02,295 I mean, knocked it in a couple of inches. 721 00:43:05,734 --> 00:43:09,636 At this point, he is a physician. 722 00:43:09,738 --> 00:43:13,439 He knows she is either going to die, 723 00:43:13,541 --> 00:43:16,309 or she is going to have serious, serious consequences 724 00:43:16,411 --> 00:43:17,877 of that wound. 725 00:43:23,752 --> 00:43:26,319 I believe he takes kimberley 726 00:43:26,421 --> 00:43:28,421 back to her bedroom. 727 00:43:30,792 --> 00:43:32,392 Attorney: Specialist chamberlain, 728 00:43:32,494 --> 00:43:35,361 I see that you have drawn two oblongs on this picture, 729 00:43:35,463 --> 00:43:37,363 and they seem to be labeled "ab." 730 00:43:37,465 --> 00:43:40,300 would you tell us what that means? 731 00:43:40,402 --> 00:43:42,068 Chamberlain: That means I determined 732 00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:45,071 there was ab blood within these areas. 733 00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:47,206 Somers: That's kimberley's blood 734 00:43:47,309 --> 00:43:49,909 in the entrance to the master bedroom. 735 00:43:56,518 --> 00:43:58,084 Smerling: Kristy's bed-- 736 00:43:58,186 --> 00:44:00,186 do you remember how much blood was there? 737 00:44:00,288 --> 00:44:02,689 Chamberlain: There was a lot of blood on the bed clothing. 738 00:44:02,791 --> 00:44:06,926 The sheets that had colette's type a blood indicated on it. 739 00:44:07,028 --> 00:44:12,131 It was like, "why is colette's blood in the kids' room?" 740 00:44:15,203 --> 00:44:17,103 somers: At some point, 741 00:44:17,205 --> 00:44:19,939 colette goes into kristen's room 742 00:44:20,041 --> 00:44:22,375 as though she were attempting 743 00:44:22,477 --> 00:44:26,179 to protect her youngest child, 744 00:44:26,281 --> 00:44:30,550 and jeff hits her in the head. 745 00:44:30,652 --> 00:44:33,586 She falls, and she bleeds 746 00:44:33,688 --> 00:44:36,789 all over the top part of the bed. 747 00:44:51,206 --> 00:44:54,907 Jeff's got to figure out, what does he do now? 748 00:44:59,848 --> 00:45:01,214 (camera shutter clicks) 749 00:45:01,316 --> 00:45:03,783 under the table in the living room, 750 00:45:03,885 --> 00:45:06,419 an esquire magazine was found. 751 00:45:09,324 --> 00:45:11,591 Chamberlain: There was type ab 752 00:45:11,693 --> 00:45:14,594 blood on the edge of the, uh, magazine. 753 00:45:14,696 --> 00:45:20,400 Somers: How did ab blood get into the magazine? 754 00:45:20,502 --> 00:45:23,503 It's kimberley's blood. She sure didn't put it there. 755 00:45:25,673 --> 00:45:29,675 In that magazine was an article about the manson killings, 756 00:45:29,778 --> 00:45:34,147 including the word "pig" written in blood. 757 00:45:34,249 --> 00:45:36,616 The theory was that 758 00:45:36,718 --> 00:45:40,653 jeff consulted the esquire magazine, 759 00:45:40,755 --> 00:45:43,856 and he says, "I got it. 760 00:45:43,958 --> 00:45:45,858 "a bunch of hippies came in. 761 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,628 But wait a minute." 762 00:45:48,730 --> 00:45:50,596 he can't tell them 763 00:45:50,698 --> 00:45:53,566 that some hippies came in and just beat up two of them. 764 00:45:55,570 --> 00:45:58,371 He goes back into kristen's room, 765 00:45:58,473 --> 00:46:01,274 and using a knife, 766 00:46:01,376 --> 00:46:03,810 he stabs her. 767 00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:09,949 (blood dripping) 768 00:46:10,051 --> 00:46:14,320 we know she was awake, because kristen 769 00:46:14,422 --> 00:46:16,889 had wounds to her hands. 770 00:46:22,764 --> 00:46:26,532 Then he stabs his wife repeatedly with 771 00:46:26,634 --> 00:46:27,934 the ice pick. 772 00:46:30,572 --> 00:46:35,007 And then he staged "pig" on the headboard. 773 00:46:35,110 --> 00:46:37,844 Chamberlain: Written on, uh, the headboard 774 00:46:37,946 --> 00:46:40,580 was "p-I-g." 775 00:46:40,682 --> 00:46:42,415 no fingerprints involved in that. 776 00:46:42,517 --> 00:46:45,017 Somers: We found fragments 777 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,520 of surgical gloves in the bedroom. 778 00:46:51,493 --> 00:46:53,326 No. 779 00:46:54,662 --> 00:46:56,529 We found b blood in the kitchen 780 00:46:56,631 --> 00:46:58,931 on the floor. 781 00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:01,801 We look in the cabinet under the kitchen sink. 782 00:47:03,872 --> 00:47:06,038 There was a whole package of surgical gloves. 783 00:47:08,643 --> 00:47:13,279 That has to be macdonald. 784 00:47:13,381 --> 00:47:15,181 Unless there's somebody else in there bleeding, 785 00:47:15,283 --> 00:47:16,716 and his story doesn't have 786 00:47:16,818 --> 00:47:18,618 any of them bleeding. 787 00:47:20,021 --> 00:47:22,555 Captain macdonald had a laceration 788 00:47:22,657 --> 00:47:25,925 between his ribs that resulted 789 00:47:26,027 --> 00:47:27,293 in a collapsed lung. 790 00:47:27,395 --> 00:47:29,295 Chamberlain: In the bathroom, 791 00:47:29,397 --> 00:47:32,298 there was blood drippings around the sink. 792 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,600 It was type b blood, 793 00:47:34,702 --> 00:47:38,304 which was jeffrey macdonald's blood type. 794 00:47:38,406 --> 00:47:40,973 Somers: I think he inflicted that wound 795 00:47:41,075 --> 00:47:44,310 on himself very carefully. 796 00:47:46,748 --> 00:47:49,315 And that is essentially the way 797 00:47:49,417 --> 00:47:52,818 in which jeffrey macdonald became a murderer. 798 00:48:12,991 --> 00:48:14,991 -(siren wailing) -(indistinct radio chatter) 799 00:49:27,899 --> 00:49:29,498 when we first started getting interviewed 800 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,935 before the article 32, I bring the girl up, 801 00:49:33,037 --> 00:49:36,572 and they're like, "what girl?" I said, "the girl I saw." 802 00:49:44,615 --> 00:49:46,148 (laughs softly) 803 00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:50,086 I got to say, I thought... 804 00:49:53,224 --> 00:49:56,325 ...Excuse my language-- bullshit. 805 00:49:56,427 --> 00:49:58,327 Bullshit. 806 00:49:58,429 --> 00:50:01,163 Mica, at that point, 807 00:50:01,265 --> 00:50:04,667 sounded like he wanted to be an investigative hero. 808 00:50:09,107 --> 00:50:11,207 Mica: I knew what I saw. 809 00:50:11,309 --> 00:50:12,408 I figured, 810 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:14,076 it's gonna come up sooner or later. 811 00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:20,716 So I went to the defense and I told 'em. 812 00:50:20,818 --> 00:50:25,521 Bernie segal says, "I'm gonna put you back on the stand." 813 00:50:25,623 --> 00:50:27,523 segal: Specialist mica, 814 00:50:27,625 --> 00:50:30,192 you're the same witness who was previously called 815 00:50:30,294 --> 00:50:32,828 and testified in these proceedings? 816 00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:35,364 Yes, sir. 817 00:50:35,466 --> 00:50:38,701 Segal: Does that drawing resemble 818 00:50:38,803 --> 00:50:41,704 any person that you believe to have seen? 819 00:50:41,806 --> 00:50:44,240 Mica: It could, sir. 820 00:50:44,342 --> 00:50:46,842 Segal: Who do you believe it could represent? 821 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:53,215 Mica: Possibly the girl I saw on the corner that night. 822 00:50:54,485 --> 00:50:56,585 (reporters clamoring) 823 00:50:56,687 --> 00:51:00,856 segal: A woman who had been uncovered by myself was in fact a person 824 00:51:00,958 --> 00:51:02,792 whom the civilian authorities should investigate 825 00:51:02,894 --> 00:51:05,261 for complicity in the murders of dr. Macdonald's family 826 00:51:05,363 --> 00:51:06,562 and assaulting him. 827 00:51:10,868 --> 00:51:12,768 Douthat: It was on the headlines that day. 828 00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:15,438 And people were sending us letters 829 00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:17,273 and-and calling us on the phone. 830 00:51:17,375 --> 00:51:19,809 And some of them were crazy and some of them were right 831 00:51:19,911 --> 00:51:22,144 on the money and-and were trying to be as helpful as they could. 832 00:51:25,049 --> 00:51:28,784 And we came upon a guy named posey. 833 00:51:28,886 --> 00:51:33,155 Segal: The defense calls william edward posey. 834 00:51:34,759 --> 00:51:36,992 Douthat: He said that he had this neighbor 835 00:51:37,095 --> 00:51:39,195 that was strange, to say the least. 836 00:51:41,766 --> 00:51:45,000 And then, on the night that the murders took place, 837 00:51:45,103 --> 00:51:46,635 he saw her come in in the middle of the night 838 00:51:46,737 --> 00:51:48,737 in a mustang car. 839 00:51:51,609 --> 00:51:53,909 He was getting out of the car and going to the house. 840 00:51:54,011 --> 00:51:56,178 Segal: Would you describe 841 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,014 what her normal wearing apparel was? 842 00:51:59,117 --> 00:52:01,317 Posey: Well, she had a big old white floppy hat 843 00:52:01,419 --> 00:52:02,818 that she wore. 844 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,589 And she had a pair of white boots that she wore a lot. 845 00:52:09,093 --> 00:52:10,860 Douthat: She fit the description of the person 846 00:52:10,962 --> 00:52:14,296 that jeffrey macdonald described and mica described. 847 00:52:14,398 --> 00:52:16,799 Her name was helena stoeckley. 848 00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:23,239 All the stuff hanging out there about stoeckley... 849 00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:27,376 ...Everything pointed to her. 850 00:52:27,478 --> 00:52:30,813 What in the world would somebody be out there 851 00:52:30,915 --> 00:52:33,949 dressed just like the hippie that macdonald described, 852 00:52:34,051 --> 00:52:35,651 that had just attacked him? 853 00:52:35,753 --> 00:52:40,389 That-that really did raise some interesting questions. 854 00:53:40,985 --> 00:53:42,985 ♪ ♪ 855 00:53:55,833 --> 00:53:57,533 smerling: Now you're waiting for colonel rock 856 00:53:57,635 --> 00:53:58,901 -to make his decision. -Douthat: Mm-hmm. 857 00:53:59,003 --> 00:54:00,069 Smerling: How long did that take? 858 00:54:00,171 --> 00:54:01,904 (exhales) 859 00:54:02,006 --> 00:54:04,707 a month, six weeks? Uh, it took a while. 860 00:54:06,277 --> 00:54:09,044 We kind of heard it was coming down, and every now and then, 861 00:54:09,146 --> 00:54:11,247 we'd get a whiff of what was gonna happen, 862 00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:12,982 but we didn't know. 863 00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:18,254 Colonel rock had been given a job 864 00:54:18,356 --> 00:54:21,056 that was the headlines of every paper, 865 00:54:21,158 --> 00:54:22,791 and he was gonna get it right. 866 00:54:24,462 --> 00:54:26,295 Smerling: Can you read it for me? 867 00:54:26,397 --> 00:54:28,797 Yeah. Yeah, well, sure, I can read it. 868 00:54:28,899 --> 00:54:30,933 Um... 869 00:54:31,035 --> 00:54:33,202 "high security report 870 00:54:33,304 --> 00:54:35,070 "on the meeting between colonel rock 871 00:54:35,172 --> 00:54:37,740 general flanagan and captain beale." 872 00:54:48,853 --> 00:54:51,086 I remember flanagan was 873 00:54:51,188 --> 00:54:54,156 the commanding general of special forces, 874 00:54:54,258 --> 00:54:57,559 and colonel rock, his job was to make a recommendation 875 00:54:57,662 --> 00:54:59,595 as to whether this case ought to go forward 876 00:54:59,697 --> 00:55:02,231 with an actual trial. 877 00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:05,000 Must have been an exchange between them. 878 00:55:05,102 --> 00:55:09,405 "rock offered the statement that 'I searched high and low 879 00:55:09,507 --> 00:55:11,640 "'for points that show jeff did it, 880 00:55:11,742 --> 00:55:15,678 but they ain't there.'" 881 00:55:16,881 --> 00:55:18,180 "flanagan said, 882 00:55:18,282 --> 00:55:24,019 "'but what about the grass and mud?' 883 00:55:24,121 --> 00:55:29,892 rock said, '14 mps hadn't carried any in, either.'" 884 00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:37,633 "flanagan said, 'but what about the coffee table?' 885 00:55:37,735 --> 00:55:40,936 rock recounted the entire sequence of events." 886 00:55:44,442 --> 00:55:47,176 "flanagan asked if there was any evidence for anyone else 887 00:55:47,278 --> 00:55:50,612 being in the house." 888 00:55:52,249 --> 00:55:56,652 "rock covered all the points, and also posey." 889 00:55:58,556 --> 00:56:01,690 "'is there anything else the government can do now 890 00:56:01,792 --> 00:56:05,327 "to solidify the case?' 891 00:56:05,429 --> 00:56:07,696 rock said, 'no, you shot your wad.'" 892 00:56:07,798 --> 00:56:09,031 (laughs softly) 893 00:56:09,133 --> 00:56:11,133 "rock then said, 894 00:56:11,235 --> 00:56:15,237 "'the army had already spent large sums, 895 00:56:15,339 --> 00:56:16,672 "'and to spend any more money 896 00:56:16,774 --> 00:56:20,576 would make the army look like fools.'" 897 00:56:25,483 --> 00:56:26,682 yeah. 898 00:56:27,752 --> 00:56:29,418 Yeah. 899 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,322 No, I don't. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 900 00:56:38,462 --> 00:56:41,764 Malley: This case was a big deal. 901 00:56:41,866 --> 00:56:43,866 And I think the army thought, 902 00:56:43,968 --> 00:56:45,868 "we got to wrap this up quickly. 903 00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:47,269 "um, it's-- it-- you know, 904 00:56:47,371 --> 00:56:49,705 "cbs evening news knows about it, 905 00:56:49,807 --> 00:56:51,907 and that's not what we want." 906 00:56:52,009 --> 00:56:53,609 cronkite: The army today 907 00:56:53,711 --> 00:56:55,444 cleared captain jeffrey macdonald, 908 00:56:55,546 --> 00:56:58,046 a green beret physician, of charges that he murdered 909 00:56:58,149 --> 00:57:00,783 his wife and two young daughters nine months ago 910 00:57:00,885 --> 00:57:03,185 in their fort bragg, north carolina apartment. 911 00:57:03,287 --> 00:57:06,755 The army said that five weeks of closed-door hearings had not 912 00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:09,458 produced sufficient evidence to support the charges. 913 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,363 We have all of these myths about our system. 914 00:57:14,465 --> 00:57:17,232 How it works, 915 00:57:17,334 --> 00:57:20,402 the importance of a level playing field. 916 00:57:21,872 --> 00:57:26,074 Fairness, equality before the law. 917 00:57:28,078 --> 00:57:29,611 Here you have a tangled mess 918 00:57:29,713 --> 00:57:34,616 of people all trying to figure out 919 00:57:34,718 --> 00:57:37,252 what's real 920 00:57:37,354 --> 00:57:41,256 and what's make believe. 921 00:57:41,358 --> 00:57:46,995 What really happened versus what we think really happened. 922 00:57:50,734 --> 00:57:53,268 Why the fascination with criminal trials? 923 00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:56,805 Because it's an attempt to grab ahold of the world, 924 00:57:56,907 --> 00:58:01,343 to figure out what's really out there, to find truth, 925 00:58:01,445 --> 00:58:05,914 to find something that you can grab ahold of and shake. 926 00:58:06,016 --> 00:58:07,950 After hearing the decision, captain macdonald said 927 00:58:08,052 --> 00:58:10,519 he wanted to get out of the army, start a new life. 928 00:58:10,621 --> 00:58:13,422 Macdonald (over tv): I have said, in the future, that more investigation 929 00:58:13,524 --> 00:58:15,991 will be done into certain suspects 930 00:58:16,093 --> 00:58:19,194 that were brought out by us in the hearing. 931 00:58:19,296 --> 00:58:21,530 Reporter: Do you plan to do any investigating of your own? 932 00:58:21,632 --> 00:58:23,932 Uh, no comment. 933 00:58:24,034 --> 00:58:26,134 Helena: Dear kathy, 934 00:58:26,237 --> 00:58:29,171 today on the news, I heard that they had definitely dropped 935 00:58:29,273 --> 00:58:31,607 the charges against macdonald. 936 00:58:31,709 --> 00:58:33,375 Remember how I didn't have an alibi 937 00:58:33,477 --> 00:58:35,310 for the night of the murder? 938 00:58:37,114 --> 00:58:39,214 Believe me, 939 00:58:39,316 --> 00:58:42,451 I am in deep, deep trouble. 940 00:58:43,754 --> 00:58:47,389 Love and peace. Helena. 941 00:58:52,229 --> 00:58:56,064 Captioned by media access group at wgbh access.Wgbh.Org 83852

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